Friends of Nimrodel: Tapestry of Dreams - Discussion

[littlemanpoet]

I had been imaging it was on the 4th level. I have no good reason.

[mark12_30]

I think I had been treating it that way also. The way I had treated it so far, Mellonin's parents lived on the sixth level (I count backwards-- the second-largest circle, towards the bottom.) And the Inn was on the fourth circle (which I was counting as the fourth largest circle from the bottom.)

I'm not sure the Inn was ever "placed" by the innkeeper. Let's leave it the way it is for now, unless something else surfaces.. So, fourth circle it is.

Post script: I'm hoping that my life might settle a little in the next week or so, enough to give me time to write..... but don't wait for me, folks. Let's wrap this book up as soon as we can.

ps2-- It also seems I must readjust my numbering, eh? Canonicity....

[Imladris]

I'll be going on a much looked forward to vacation tomorrow and will be staying close two weeks.

I will have internet access unless something severely unforseen arises...so I shall try to keep up.

[littlemanpoet]

Alak, that is a very good post! :)

However, it faded toward the end. I hear Elessar saying that it's a strange tale, but I don't see his expression through Erebemlin's eyes. I as the reader really want to know how Elessar is reacting.

[alaklondewen]

Thanks, lmp, for the compliment and the suggestion. I will edit to show what Erebemlin sees immediately. :)

EDIT: Post edited. I must say that I like the edited bit better this way. Thanks again!

[alaklondewen]

I'm curious as to who is here to wrap up Book 1 and who is not.

I know mark is really busy; lmp has been poking around; Aylwen is back; Immy is on vacation; and Formy has been about.

I believe Nuru is gone for a few days more. What of Orual?

Are lives extremely busy at the moment? I know I'm not always able to post immediately when it's my turn, but is there anything I can do to push us along so we can wrap this up? I would like some help in doing it though. ;)

[Aylwen Dreamsong]

If there's anything the ladies can do until they find out they're not going (which, unless I completely missed something, Bella still thinks she'll be leaving Minas Tirith in less than three days) let me know and I'll get a post up ASAP.

[alaklondewen]

What if those left at the inn begin talking about leaving and Bella mentions she's looking forward to it (or really anything that suggests she believes she is going) and one of the men tell her that she is in a safe place and shouldn't expect to go? Leafa too? Something along those lines could bring about some conflict and it would start the process of figuring out where the ladies will stay after the men go. Maybe they seek out Mellonin? Whatever you think. :)

[Nurumaiel]

Hello, all!

I returned home yesterday evening, after a wonderful visit with some dear friends. I spent most of the day settling back into the home life, so I haven't been able to post until now. But here I am!

[Formendacil]

I'm curious as to who is here to wrap up Book 1 and who is not.

If I'm next... or whenever I am next... just give me a good poke. As an intimidated newcomer to Gondor, I'm rather hesitant than otherwise...

For myself, the next few weeks are still good for me with regards to time. Until mid-August, if you need me- you've got me (and probably within 24 hours). After that, I'll be preparing for/going to college, and I have no idea how often I'll be on. It'll likely be mid-September before I figure out how the 'Downs will fit into life. So "the sooner, the better" as far as I'm concerned.

[alaklondewen]

Welcome back, Nuru! I hope you had a wonderful visit.

If I'm next... or whenever I am next... just give me a good poke.

*gives that poke* Whenever you're ready to move our scene on with Elessar's decision and such, please do. :)

[littlemanpoet]

Just by way of reminder to us all:

A. The Elves

1. Tharonwe
2. Erebemlin calls a meeting with the men of the company
3. a possible visit to Mellondu's home


B. The ladies

1. realization they're not going, if they still expect to leave with the men
2. plans for their lodging and possible trips home
3. Something happens overnight and they disappear


C. The men

1. meeting with Erebemlin; decisions about going
2. gathering supplies, food, etc for the next quest

'A.1.' is getting wrapped up, and I don't see myself posting into that except to write a paragraph or two about Tharonwe's thinking, which can be plopped in pretty much at random. After Tharonwe's imprisonment, it will be time for 'A.2.' (identical with 'C.1.') -- Erebemlin to call a meeting of the men, AFTER which they'll realize the ladies aren't going, right? In other words, we better not have the men telling them they're NOT going until the men realize it themselves, if you know what I mean....

After that, 'A.3.', 'B.1.&2.', and 'C.2.' occur simultaneously, followed at last by 'B.3.'

Does all that make sense?

[alaklondewen]

In other words, we better not have the men telling them they're NOT going until the men realize it themselves, if you know what I mean....

I disagree here. This is why. When we as writers had discussed that the ladies were not be leaving with the men, it was all about preserving the ladies' honor. I think that if the topic was brought up within the characters, that discussion could take place on their own without it being an "Erebemlin said so" sort of thing. He will of course not allow the ladies to leave with him, and I think he would not even consider the the women folk would want to leave when they were now in a safe place. I think the men would attempt to at least talk them out of it in the meantime. Does Ædegard want Leafa to go out again after all that has happened? Or even Liornung and Bella? How would it look for unmarried women to set out from the city with a group of men? These things could, and I think should, be discussed by the characters.

I believe that some of this can occur while the current scene is being wrapped up or extended as Elessar may wish to meet with Mellondu.

[Aylwen Dreamsong]

Alrighty. I'll get a post up later today. As soon as possible.

:)

But here I am!

Yay!

-Aylwen

Edit...I wanted to make sure who exactly plans on going and staying...Ædegard plans on going but leaving Leafa behind? Liornung plans on going, I think...I know Bella thinks she's going. What about Nethwador? Probably plans on following Amroth/Mellondu, right? Just making sure...

[Aylwen Dreamsong]

Okay. Post up.

If anything seems out of character/not what you wanted for Ædegard or Liornung, let me know. I'll change it. If there's anything else wrong with the post, let me know, etc. etc... the usual.

:D

-Aylwen

[mark12_30]

Aylwen, nice method of bringing in the propriety issue. :cool:

[littlemanpoet]

I disagree here. This is why. When we as writers had discussed that the ladies were not be leaving with the men, it was all about preserving the ladies' honor. .... I believe that some of this can occur while the current scene is being wrapped up or extended as Elessar may wish to meet with Mellondu.So we could have the men discuss how things will go once they leave Minas Tirith again, and have them presume that the ladies would be left behind? Sounds good to me.

Ædegard has promised to go with Mellondu if Mellondu says the quest is not done. He would expect Leafa to remain behind. Raefindan is going, but is not quite in touch with the 'ladies' honor' issue, not being native to time and place.

Indeed..... 'what about Leafa?' :) I'll post up next.

[Orual]

I'm here, just waiting for the proper moment to bring Ravion back in!

[Formendacil]

*gives that poke* Whenever you're ready to move our scene on with Elessar's decision and such, please do. :)

Righto.

I shall do that immediately, while the desire to write is still hot. As always though, point it out for me if, when, or where I'm going offbase...

[mark12_30]

...I'm liking it. Nice work, folks!

... and Orual, I'm looking forward to Ravion's reappearance too!

[littlemanpoet]

I just want to say, Formy, that that is one exquisite last line in your post, given to Elessar. Very like him to think of the human! I'd rep you but I gotta spread it around.

[alaklondewen]

I just want to say, Formy, that that is one exquisite last line in your post, given to Elessar.

I agree! Poor Erebemlin just doesn't get it. What's so special about humans anyway? Maybe he'll figure it out before the end. We shall see.

[Formendacil]

After all the polishing the last post of mine needed (well... was improved with), it's very encouraging to see all the encouragement. So thank you all for your kind words.

On that particular note, I think I'd like Elessar to expound a touch more on the subject, during lunch, but it'll take me a day or three to think up how I want him to lead into it.

But poke me again if I leave it too long... I'm around pretty much every day (for the next while), so I've got no good excuses not to. :p

[alaklondewen]

On that particular note, I think I'd like Elessar to expound a touch more on the subject, during lunch, but it'll take me a day or three to think up how I want him to lead into it.

I'm glad you said this as I was hoping Elessar would try pushing the issue again and attempt to pin Erebemlin down with an answer. It's one of the reasons I wanted them to have more time to speak.

[littlemanpoet]

Raefindan has asked a question of those gathered around the table at the Seven Stars Inn. I think those that are with Raefindan and Ædegard are Bellyn, Leafa, Liornung, Ravion, and Aeron. Would some one of your characters please deign to answer Raefindan? ;)

[alaklondewen]

Helen, that was intense. I would love to rep you for that, but alas, I had to spread it around. Well done!

[mark12_30]

Thanks! (And thanks lmp & Aylwen...)

Tuesday, July 25, 2006

Some not-so-random thoughts on Elessar, Arwen, Mandos (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=334164&postcount=353), and Mellondu. I shall spew my thoughts in case the team feels they are adoptable/ adaptable. Please do not feel constrained thereby.

Were I Aragorn, once I had interviewed Erebemlin, Taitheneb, and maybe Tharonwe (or maybe not, as he has a cagey air) I would be more than a little desirous to speak with Amroth-- if indeed it be he. Imagine my delight in learning that Amroth (if indeed it be he) is dwelling in one of my subjects. Heh. I summon the lad to my Impressive Court.
What follows is not quite proper Sindarin-- I leave that up to the team. (And I wanted to watch lmp squirm.)

Strider: Mellondu, my lad, I'd really like to talk to Amroth, you know.

Mellondu: I'm not exactly comfortable with that.

Strider: I am your king, after all. And-- Arwen would like to meet him too.

Mellondu: Well, if you put it like that. Do I really have to?

Strider: Come on. For your country, and such. Please?

Mellondu: Okay. Even though I think he's a cad because of the way he treated my sister.

Strider: Yes, yes. Ready?

Mellondu: I suppose.

Mandos: Slap.

Arwen: :eek:

Strider: Eh?

Arwen: Maybe this isn't our best idea.

Strider: Why...?

Arwen: Lo, I fear we do trespass upon doomed ground, and stuff like that.

Strider: Try again.

Mandos: Slap.

Arwen: :eek: I'm out of here. Seriously, honey, this is a bad plan.

Strider: (in Sindarin of course) Well, rats darn, phooey and drat.

Mellondu: :mad: Another headache. Ouch.

Strider: So do we believe him or not?

Arwen: I'd really rather not go there.

Strider: And I thought this was going to be good stuff.

Arwen: I think we should leave well enough alone.

Strider: Doggone it! No quests, no armies pouring forth from the gates? Back to the administrative grind?

Arwen: Mmm-hmm.

Strider: Feh.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

I love it as is. Copy and paste, shall we? :smokin:

[mark12_30]

Why thankee. :) But I fear lmp would flmp.

[Formendacil]

Well, I've posted into my Save...

I'm not altogether sure I like what I've written, but I'm still foggy with too much sleep, and I'm rather afraid that I can write no better at the moment. A large part of the delay was a complete lack of ideas on HOW to execute this.

Anyway, I'm sure you good people will direct me on ways to improve it, should the improvement be needed.

[mark12_30]

I like it. And when at a loss, brief is better. I think you did well.

Er, does that mean I'm next?

[littlemanpoet]

What a hoot, Helen! :D ..... so long as it's only on the discussion thread that way. Copy and paste, indeed, Fea! :mad: Bad girl. I think the gist of what would happen is just right.

[alaklondewen]

Helen, that's hilarious, but I think the overall makes a good scene and logical as the story goes too.

Now, I have some bad news and I'll need some help. I've been using a laptop that is not my own since my pc was fried in an electrical surge. I had been told I could use it until I was able to replace my hard drive at the end of August/beginning of September. Well, my lovely friend who let me use it has asked for it back. So as of tomorrow morning, I will not have a home computer until the above time when I can get one of my own.

Not all is lost, because I can write posts at home and type them up at work. However, I need to be able to email my posts to someone to post, as I'm pretty sure the company is not going to want me posting on Tolkien forums during working hours. ;) I'll be able to check the thread, probably 2 or 3 times a week while I'm there as long as it doesn't appear extravagent. So...Is there anyone who trusts me with their email and would not mind posting for me?

I'm going to do my best to get what I need posted up tonight, but after that and until I get the new one, I'll need the help.

Thanks in advance. :)

[mark12_30]

Alak, check your pm's...

Looks like Mellondu is next, or at least soon. I need to get some sleep (great band practice tonight though) and plan on posting tomorrow, probably before noonish more or less. I hope.

Grace and peace. I'm off to serenade my pillow.

[mark12_30]

RL can be so doggone pushy at times. I'll shoot for tomorrow noon... I hope. In the meantime, y'all know the plot, so if you want to take a crack at (all or part) of the plan feel free..........

[mark12_30]

OK, the four (Father, Mellondu, Erebemlin, Taitheneb) are back at the citadel knocking at the door.

I tried adding a few lines to the beginning of the previous post in order to provide a bit better bridge to alak's last post. Haven't heard from alak yet.

Awfully quiet out there.

[littlemanpoet]

I just want to make sure before I jump the gun somehow. If I understand the plot correctly, the Men are supposed to leave, then the Women, and only then does Tharonwe escape from prison; right? Or is that wrong? Help?

[Aylwen Dreamsong]

If the women leave after the men, how would the men find out that the women went missing in the wild?

[littlemanpoet]

Uh, yeah. Good point. Anyway, Tharonwe skips jail AFTER everybody else leaves, right?

[mark12_30]

...sounds familiar, yeah.

ps. I will be gone this next week, with no net. That will make alak's role difficult-- lmp, could you pick up the messenger bag for the week? Please?

ps. Id forgotten that Tharonwe had 'mined' Roy Edwards for useful concepts... nice touch.

[littlemanpoet]

Yes, I can do that, Helen. Just PM me the appropriate info.

And thanks for the kudos. The trick is to use it in the future, and cue other writers that Tharonwe is ab-using their characters, and see how said writers flow (or not) with it. :p

[Imladris]

If the women leave after the men, how would the men find out that the women went missing in the wild?

I was thinking Aeron's sister could show it to him in a dream. And then he would mention it to the others and they would make of it what they would.

[littlemanpoet]

Ooh! Cool! I like! What do you others think? Can we, can we? Huh? :D

[mark12_30]

Hullo, I'm back.

Regarding dreams: ...of course... Yeah, I like it.

[littlemanpoet]

I've made a narrative post to move things along. You will find a link in my signature that shows our agreed-upon plot outline to finish up this part of the story.

The only things left to do on THIS thread are:
1. Have the meeting between Mellondu and Elessar (which I can edit into the beginning of my recent post)
2. Erebemlin's talk with Mellondu's parents.
3. Any fleshing out of characters as their writers see fit, considering the events I've narrated.

If anything I have written needs to be revised to fit better with your characters, please let me know and I will do it. But at least now we have a much more limited plot outline to trudge through. Hope you don't mind my initiative-taking.

[mark12_30]

Helen, would you mind posting this to the discussion thread?

Thanks to lmp, first of all for stepping up and hurrying the plot along. As
to the things that need to be finished for this book, are the women still
going to take off at the end of this book or will they do that at the
beginning of the next? The men would then find out after they leave by
Aeron's vision of Gwillion? I believe we all liked the idea of the vision
but I'm just hashing out details.

If the ladies go at the beginning of Book 2, then we only need to finish the
details of the men leaving and the possible escape of Tharonwe. I will try
to get a post for Iorgil written tonight as time allows. I have a Tae Kwon
Do class tonight, so if it's not possible I'll get it tomorrow tonight and
send to Helen on Wednesday. It finally seems as though the end is in sight
for Book 1...that's quite exciting!

It will still be another couple of weeks for me before I get a computer.
I'm looking at the first or second week in September, so pray that nothing
comes up that takes that money. ;)

~Alak

[littlemanpoet]

Ends of books are all about tying up loose strings. Beginnings of sequels are all about adding new wrinkles or better yet turning plots on their heads or, better yet, snipping the yarn in just the right place so that the entire thing unravels in just the right way. :p

So I think the women should envision and leave in the new book.

[littlemanpoet]

HELLO?

FELLOW TAPESTRY WRITERS?

ARE YOU OUT THERE?

WILL SOMEONE HELP CARRY THE STORY?

OR SHOULD I JUST DO ANOTHER

AND ANOTHER

AND ANOTHER

POST UNTIL THIS IS DONE?

The curious want to know, and I'm curious (not to mention a little impatient). :p

[Aylwen Dreamsong]

I'm here.

But from what it sounds like, the women are done until book two. So unless you want Bellyn to do something else, I'm just hanging tight until the new book is started.

Where's Helen? I hope alak gets her computer soon.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

I've been sitting and waiting quietly, hoping very patiently that Tapestry I can finish so that I can get to writing with all of you. If I make my eyes wide and beseeching, and perhaps pout my lips adorably, will it help? Probably not... but is there anything that I [i]can do to help out?

[mark12_30]

1. Have the meeting between Mellondu and Elessar (which I can edit into the beginning of my recent post).

I was assuming Formendacil would carry that part-- but I admit confusion on my own part when I saw it summarized, and only just realised that "edit into the beginning of my recent post" could mean "expansion and detail added."

Formendacil?....


2. Erebemlin's talk with Mellondu's parents.


*draws a blank* Er, what conversation, and what's left to talk about? I had imagined much gathering of provisions, and the decision as to who is accompanying Erebemlin and Mellondu?

3. Any fleshing out of characters as their writers see fit, considering the events I've narrated.

If anything I have written needs to be revised to fit better with your characters, please let me know and I will do it. But at least now we have a much more limited plot outline to trudge through. Hope you don't mind my initiative-taking.

[Imladris]

i took the liberty of writing

then we only need to finish the
details of the men leaving

That part.

It's short, but sometimes less is more.

[Formendacil]

I was assuming Formendacil would carry that part-- but I admit confusion on my own part when I saw it summarized, and only just realised that "edit into the beginning of my recent post" could mean "expansion and detail added."

Formendacil?....

Pardon! Pardon! I beseech thee all for pardon!

My apologies, over the past couple weeks I've been exceedingly busy... getting myself moved from home, to college, settling into college, and although I've been here for a while now, there was no real Internet access for the better part of a week, due to a silent retreat. Whatever the excuses (and they are many and varied) I've been letting Tapestry slide...

In my defence, I DID say to give me a nudge or poke when it's my turn. As the junior member of an august and esteemed hierarchy, I'm not really going to be taking a lot in the way of presumptions at the moment- though as time goes on and I shift to Bergil (whom I can play with more than Elessar) that'll hopefully change.

Anyway...

Give me a day or two, and I shall strive to do my best in getting a post up for Elessar et al.

[littlemanpoet]

*draws a blank* Er, what conversation, and what's left to talk about? I had imagined much gathering of provisions, and the decision as to who is accompanying Erebemlin and Mellondu?
Well, it was in the outline. But if there's nothing that needs to be said, we can slash it from the outline and consider it a non-issue. Right?

Nicely done, Immy. :)

All righty, Formy, officially:

POKE!

Now get to it and no more excuses, legitimate or not. ;) :D

[mark12_30]

Nicely done, Immy.

Aye, T'was! :)

due to a silent retreat.

:smokin:
Trying to make me jealous, eh??? It'll never work. Never I say.

:mad:

[littlemanpoet]

Formy: Hmmmm...... Hmmmmm.......!

That was deftly handled post. Yet somehow it sits not entirely right with me. I'm not sure why, yet, and may not become sure.

I like that Elessar shows concern for Mellondu himself, and that the Elves are surprised by this.

One remonstration I might make is that Elessar has no words for Mellondu's father. That simply should not be.

Maybe Elessar leaves his throne too soon.... ? ......

I think a part of my illness at ease is related to diction. I'm not saying "this is what you should do instead", but rather "....what I would have done in your place":

Instead of "There is no friendship any more," I would write "There is friendship no longer,"

I think Arwen's first words are a bit abrupt, actually. Besides, she would know through her osanwe whether he can or cannot see such a thing. Perhaps I remonstrate with this because you are having Tolkien's characters concern themselves with perspective rather than truth. Though related, perspective is a modern thing, and Arwen, it seems to me, would have spoken about what really was in place of how Mellondu saw it. Which begs the question, ;) what really WAS? :p

I also don't think Elessar would have confessed not knowing the event initimately enough to render judgement. He and Arwen in fact seem to know enough of how Amroth is inside Mellondu to be able to attempt to persuade him of a better way to deal with it. That would suggest that they also know enough to render some manner of judgement, not for juridical purposes maybe, but to name a thing for what it is.

I also don't think that Elessar would give up and call the thing finished, but leave him with a final bit of wisdom that Mellondu can't get out of his head. Which you do with the interesting comment regarding Manwe and Morgoth.

Please do understand that I think you have made a very, very good effort at a very difficult post to write at a top notch level; I hope I'm helping you get it there.

[mark12_30]

Formy: That was deftly handled post.
Aye! T'was!
I like that Elessar shows concern for Mellondu himself, and that the Elves are surprised by this.

Agreed.
One remonstration I might make is that Elessar has no words for Mellondu's father. That simply should not be.

Agreed; in fact he would greet Father first; Mellondu is practically a minor. Elessar would verify (1) that Father was freely releasing his son and (2) that Father approved of Erebemlin's taking the boy. But before all that, Elessar would first honor Father's age and service.

Maybe Elessar leaves his throne too soon.... ? ......

Inserting the conversation with Mellondu's Father would alleviate most of that, I think.


Ah, and now lmp wields his axe:

Instead of
Quote:
"There is no friendship any more,"

I would write
Quote:
"There is friendship no longer,"

Hah! While I would write "There is friendship no more." Shorter still! :D (Poor Formie, caught between a lmpRock and a markHardPlace.)

I think Arwen's first words are a bit abrupt, actually.
This might be allayed if Elessar has a conversation with Father, first.
Besides, she would know through her osanwe whether he can or cannot see such a thing.

Maybe-- but maybe not; remember Mellondu's mind is snapped as hard-shut (against Amroth!!) as he can get it. Erebemlin is mostly shut out; I think Arwen would be, too. And that would make this whole scene taste a little different.

Please do understand that I think you have made a very, very good effort at a very difficult post to write at a top notch level; I hope I'm helping you get it there.

Oh, aye. Take the tips, Formendacil-- lmp's a good coach. I should know.

"So many strange things have chanced that to learn the praise of a fair lady under the loving strokes of a dwarf's axe will seem no great wonder."
Not that I'm calling lmp a dwarf, mind. But he does wield a mean axe.

:p ;)

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Not that I'm calling lmp a dwarf, mind. But he does wield a mean axe.
And he's little. :)

[mark12_30]

And he's little. :)
WOOT!

[Formendacil]

No, no... I very much appreciate the comments. At the time, I wasn't even sure of the post... LMP's comments are very much appreciated- at least in regards to this post, though I would incline to take Mark's "There is friendship no more" as being the nicer-sounding.

I didn't even know when I posted that the post had gone through, since the computer seized up... so I was pleasantly surprised to see my name at the bottom of the thread, and a slew of helpful comments waiting here, rather than the tedious rewriting/copying I feared I would have to do.

EDIT: I've revised the post, with the suggestions given, as well as a couple of slight changes of my own... As always, comments appreciated.

[mark12_30]

I've revised the post, with the suggestions given, as well as a couple of slight changes of my own... As always, comments appreciated.

Here's a comment....

Wow.

[Imladris]

Hmmm. I had forgotten about this meeting...or for some reason it didn't completely register with me.

I think I should delete my post and put it after Formendacil's. Yes, no?

[Formendacil]

Hmmm. I had forgotten about this meeting...or for some reason it didn't completely register with me.

I think I should delete my post and put it after Formendacil's. Yes, no?

Hmm.... I suppose that might make for some slightly better continuity...

And my deep and sincere thanks, Mark/Helen, for your comment.

*bows*

[Imladris]

Time discontinuity has been resolved.

[mark12_30]

Mellondu is also on his grumbly way.

I followed Immy's lead since she said we're all walking. WHo has horses?

Taitheneb
Erebemlin
Ravion has Gond, who is apparently carrying a pack at the moment?
Ædegard has his bay
Mellondu-- is Ædegard still loaning him Echo? (Please, lmp? I've grown very fond of Echo)
Nethwador (gasp! I've neglected him!) has his lanky chestnut
Liornung has his own horse.
That leaves Aeron and Raefindan horseless. (Maybe that's why we are walking at this point?) Sounds like Raefindan and Aeron need horses. Where do we get them?

Can Erebemlin ask Elessar (during the already lengthy interview, perhaps) for two more horses-- or four, allowing for two packhorses? Leafa and Bella need their horses for the grand getaway, so we shouldn't mess with them, I think. Formie?

[littlemanpoet]

I have no answers, just another question: what needs to happen to call Part One done?

[mark12_30]

The departure seems a bit abrupt to me, still (pondering what I should do to fix it); and I think there should be a post regarding Bella, Leafa, and Mellonin settling down a bit more. Maybe sharing a cup of tea, something domestic and soothing, and talking about the men's departure and discussing their "new future." Apart from that-- any other felt needs?? I think we're not far from opening the new thread.

[Aylwen Dreamsong]

The departure seems a bit abrupt to me, still (pondering what I should do to fix it)

I think it's a little weird that we have no post of the men saying goodbye to the women, but that's just my opinion. Mellondu not saying goodbye to Mellonin? Ædegard and Leafa? Nethwador and Bella? I know it probably happened at some point before the men leaving, but it's just not in there in the form of a post.

Other than that...Where's Nuru?

-Aylwen

[mark12_30]

Helen would you mind post on the Discussion Thread for me?

I'm sorry this is all I can post at the moment, but I think that Formie's
post coming after LMP's seems off. I'm sure it can be easily fixed by
either putting LMP's at the bottom of Formie's or Formie's at the beginning
of LMP's.

Other than that, I'm really trying to find time here. I will have a
computer as quickly as I can, but at the moment work is so hectic I don't
have time to write up or post more than this.

Thanks ~Alak

[littlemanpoet]

I like Aylwen's idea of a good-bye post between Ædegard and Leafa; there would also be a less intense one between Raefindan and Mellonin who do after all have a friendship.

I'll copy Formy's post into the beginning of mine, after which Formy can delete his. I promise not to change anything without his approval. (LMP wearing halo) :p

[Nurumaiel]

I apologise for my deep silence! I've been following along, but haven't had much time to do anything beside study. Euclid and St. Thomas Aquinas have been my main focus for the past few weeks.... as well as studying for choir (we sang Mozart's Ave Verum this evening and it was beautiful).

But I'll find the time to post, if not very often. Ædegard and Leafa must have their farewell.

[mark12_30]

I'll stuff this here til I finish the others, and then we can decide where they go...



In the morning, Mellondu dressed and ate, and said little. Father and mother, weary from their late night, nevertheless rose with him and helped him pack.

"You'll bring a good cloak this time, " said Father, and handed him several garments, rolled together. Mellondu took them, surprised, and unrolled them. They were faded and patched, and had an earthy smell.

"Your ranger's garb!"

Father nodded. "You do not quite fill them yet, but you will ere long. They should serve you well, " he said with a nod toward Mother. Mother reached back behind the door, and pulled out a long bundle.

"Your bow? But Father, I am no ranger; I have no skill with a bow. Why should I risk losing it?"

"Perhaps, " said Father earnestly, "you will take the time now, and learn. You cannot hunt a meal with a sword, or with a hammer and tongs. You will be travelling with elves. Learn from them! It was my one wish of Erebemlin and Taitheneb, and they have granted it, asking only whether you desire to learn." Father's eyes asked the question.

Mellondu thought, I would rather learn from an orc. Then shamed by the folly of his thoughts, he saw the wisdom of Father's request, and nodded. "I will learn. "

Mother handed Father's clothing to Mellondu, and he hesitantly put on the jerkin and the cloak The breeches he rolled up and placed in his pack. Then he stood, slung his pack over his right shoulder, hesitated, put the quiver over his left shoulder, and holding the bow he gazed at Father.

Father nodded. "Aye. You will learn many things. Go with our love, son. May the Valar shine on your path."

Mother embraced him, then Father; and then he walked out the door and down the stairs, into the morning sunshine. He did not leave the city yet; he was to return to the inn, and find the elves. But first, he would find his sister. He wondered what she would say when she saw him in Father's clothes.

[Imladris]

Do you want me to delete my post again for time continuum's sake.

[mark12_30]

Immy,

No, we'd have to delete several posts. I'll just ask that my "farewells" be pasted into others' posts. It'll be fine, no worries.

I wouldn't be surprised if the existing last couple of posts are the thread-closers? Seems to me that our objections involve filling in gaps in what already exists.

[Imladris]

Ok...sorry...I'm having trouble keeping up with the thread what with school, new job, and other things of an unsavoury nature.

I'll do better with the new thread, where there won't be anything to be really "picked up" as it were.

[mark12_30]

Real Life, eh? I can relate. No worries, girl. ;)

[mark12_30]

Doggone it all!! I've spent the day looking for the bowstring for my black longbow, and it's nowhere to be found... yet. Searched the attic, searched the spare bedroom, looked through my drawers, scoured the office shelves (looked between each book!!!) & hunted through the cubby holes and the drawers and the boxes. No bowstring. RATS.

...where haven't I looked yet......

[Formendacil]

Okay, seeing as LMP has reposted the below post into his post, I've deleted my post. I'm quite happy then with leaving LMP to splice in a bit about asking for horses. Subject to my approval, of course. :p

Meanwhile... my apologies for delaying so long in reply. The internet access here has been down for the better part of a week. Sad, how we must depend on such "banal" technologies.

~~~~~~~
The first thing Elessar noted about his young subject as Mellondu and his father entered with the two Elves, was that the young man seemed rather bitter. Arwen looked over at him, clearly concerned about the young man's state of mind. A tightness around the mouth suggested that she did not think him at all at ease. Whether she felt Amroth, Elessar could not tell. The two men bowed before the King.

"My lord," Mellondu's father said, with a sweep of his arm in his son's direction. "I have brought you my son, Fingon."

"Also called Mellondu," said Elessar, with a brisk nod. "I am pleased to have you and your son here. What is occuring now will make a famous man out of your son, if the minstrels hear his tale in days to come. Neither the Queen Arwen nor myself would have these matters pass us by unnoted."

Arwen smiled at Mellondu and his father. "Even Kings and Queens of the Edain desire to meet heroes and figures out of great tales."

"But as I am not just a spectator of your tale, but also your King," Elessar addressed Mellondu's father, "I must concern myself: is it your will that your son should accompany these Elves, and share his body with Amroth, in the fulfillment of his quest?"

"It is," said Mellondu's father, sombrely, "my son's honour requires it, and both he and I are men of dignity, though our status may be humble. Mellondu goes with my grace and of his own decision."

"Then I am satisfied," said Elessar. "And what of you, Mellondu?"

"I understand you desired to see Amroth, my lord," the young man's voice was tense, and maybe somewhat sullen.

"No Mellondu," Elessar rose, shaking his head. He strode down to stand in front of the young man. "No, I wished to see my subject who has given so much in friendship to a legendary Elvenking."

"There is friendship no more," Mellondu said bitterly. Behind him, Elessar could hear a russle as Arwen rose to join him.

"We have heard how Amroth placed your sister in danger," she said to him. "But can you not forgive him of the events that day? Your sister survived unharmed."

"I see only that Mellonin was endangered," said Mellondu, stubbornly. "And that Amroth betrayed my trust."

"We are not a court to render judgement on Amroth's actions," said Elessar. Out of the corner of his eye, he saw Erebemlin stir slightly. The Elf had not expected him to side, perhaps, with Mellondu against Amroth. "But there are times when we must forgive those who have wronged us. Even if they have hurt us deeply."

"Why does any of this matter?" asked Mellondu. "Why do you care?"

"I am the King of Gondor," said Elessar. "This is not just a charge to rule the people, but to care for them. Tensions between you and Amroth can rip you apart, Mellondu. He is still in your mind, even if you wish it not. You continue to grant him lodging, but it would be better if you did it ungrudgingly. The mortal body was not meant to sustain the conflict of two minds."

"Nor is an immortal body," said Arwen, cryptically. "Amroth is in great turmoil. From you, Mellondu, for suppressing him. And from his own anguish, which is confused and I cannot read it. If Amroth and you are to both see a happy finish to this tale, it falls to you to lead the way. Amroth, even in control of himself, has not the ability to see beyond Nimrodel. Someone who can see further is needed."

"I cannot forgive him, my lady," said Mellondu. "Someone who cares so much should understand that I love my sister."

Elessar and Arwen glanced for a second at each other.

"If we cannot sway your mind, Mellondu, then I believe we are finished," Elessar addressed the boy. "I beseech you to consider the words of your Queen, and make peace with Amroth- even if Amroth doesn't deserve it. Even Manwë gave Morgoth mercy."

The visitors departed. Mellondu's father was holding his arm, and whispering something to him. Erebemlin and Taitheneb wore faces of mixed confusion. That Elessar was more interested in Mellondu than Amroth had not crossed their minds, it seemed. As the guests departed from earshot, Elessar turned to Arwen.

"Is there any hope that Amroth can find Nimrodel?" he asked. "Can he be restored to peace?"

"In Mandos, mayhaps," said Arwen, "but it will not be a happy road for Mellondu, I deem. And it may not happen soon."

"The grace of the Valar go with them," Elessar looked down the now-empty hall. "And grant that they return at peace."

[littlemanpoet]

Sorry but I don't see any request for horses in the above post. Am I blind? Help me, please.....

EDIT: Oh, I get it. You want me to add the verbage to the post myself. Okay.

[mark12_30]

Thanks for straightening out the horses. We can name them later.....

...How about some other farewell posts?

I could do Nethwador & Bella-- or Aylwen, you could.

Ædegard & Leafa need to say goodbye.

I still owe a Mellonin/Mellondu post.

Other than that.....?

[littlemanpoet]

I'll start up an Ædegard good-bye, and a Raefindan as well. Tonight.

[littlemanpoet]

I've added to the now gargantuan post # 739 on the Tapestry One thread. But it needs Nuru to write for Leafa.

Here's what I have so far:

By day's end the men were ready. All that remained was to bid farewell.

Ædegard

Ædegard asked Leafa to walk in the garden beside the Inn. From there one could look out over the heights of the Third Circle to the vista of plains, river, forest, and mountains, the sickle moon rising above the Ephel Duath in a clear night sky.

"Maybe we will not be long, Leafa," Ædegard said presently. "Maybe you and I will soon be on our way to find your father."

Nuru, can you pick up where I left off, here on the discussion thread? When we've written a proper farewell conversation, I can edit it into the post.

And while we're at it:

Raefindan

Raefindan strolled toward the home of Mellondu and Mellonin with the purpose of bidding farewell to his new friend and promising to keep a human eye out for her brother. It was a pleasant, well kept dwelling, as stone buildings in Minas Anor went (for he remembered that the old name had come back into usage by rule of the King).

He knocked on the door and waited.Your turn, Helen!

[Nurumaiel]

lmp, thanks. I'll do my best to have the rest to you within the next day or two.

[mark12_30]

(Watch-- the sophistication with which I reply! How elegantly I will say this! Ready?)

"lmp-- Ditto."

*bows* Thank you, thank you.

(I must be in a really wierd mood. I hope nobody's taking notes.)

...........And I never did find my bowstring. :(
..............The good news is, the local archery guy can ake me a new one. :)
.....................But it won't be natural Hempen Twine. :(

[Nurumaiel]

lmp, I'm sorry it took so long to get this to you! Hopefully it suffices for a proper farewell.

------------

Leafa turned her eyes to Ædegard, a low sigh escaping her. "I hope we shall find him," she said. "Rather, I hope we can. I could not say where he might be. He might even be here in Gondor while we speak."

There was a small pause, and during that silence Leafa was deep in thought. It was a sorrowful contemplation, for she was very much troubled, and at length she sighed again.

"Leafa?" said Ædegard, a loving concern in his voice which dispelled some of the chill in her heart. "What worries you?"

"It is my father who concerns me," she replied.

"You fear he will not give his consent?"

"Oh, no! I fear no such thing, and am almost sorry for it." She smiled when she observed the expression on his face. "Of course I would wish for him to accept you. And yet, at the same time I wish there were some chance that he would not."

Ædegard remained silent, but his eyes questioned.

"How may I explain it?" Leafa said. "His consent will be given without thought. He will not reflect on whether or not you are a strong and upright man, and whether or not you will be a good husband to me. Were you a low scoundrel his consent would come with no less reluctance. My father loves me, and at the same time, he does not care."

She turned and bent over some of the garden bushes to hide the tears that she could not keep from shining in her eyes. For a few moments she played with the leaves, breaking them off and letting them fall to the ground, while Ædegard looked on without a word.

"When Liornung offered me the chance of going with him and the rest of your group," she went on after a time, "I saw not only that chance, but also the chance to settle down to a quiet life when your quest was done. My father loves the life of the wayfarers, but I do not. Nor does my mother, though she follows him, for her love for him is greater than her wish for a peaceful life. He loves the both of us dearly, but not enough. The call to travel means more to him than the silent pleading of my mother's eyes."

She straightened up, and let a few more leaves fall to the ground. "But I hope that our union will be the means of his return. Perhaps he will come live near us, and quit his wanderings. I hope with all my heart that it may be so."
"As do I, Leafa," said Ædegard, with all gentleness in his tone, for despite all efforts, her tears had not gone unnoticed.

She turned back to him, and taking his hand, attempted a smile. "Yet why am I so gloomy at this time, when you are soon to leave? Your memories of me on the road should not be of a tear-filled and miserable girl."

She looked up at him, and he down at her, and they remained standing that way for some time. Time and again she tried to speak, to express her love, and her longings for his return, but she found it impossible. And so at last, she shook her head and laughed.

"I cannot speak," she said. "Words cannot suffice to tell all that is in my heart. I fear that I can make no passionate speeches fit for this time. I try to speak, but nothing will come." The merry flickering faded suddenly from her eyes, and was replaced with a tender and sorrowful earnestness. "Farewell, dear Ædegard. Return to me soon. I will wait for you."

And she bent and kissed his hand.

[littlemanpoet]

That's a beautiful post, Nuru. Just two minor things: (1) I thought Leafa's mother was dead. Am I wrong? (2) I'd like to insert just a brief answer from Ædegard toward the end of your post:

"I cannot speak," she said. "Words cannot suffice to tell all that is in my heart. I fear that I can make no passionate speeches fit for this time. I try to speak, but nothing will come." The merry flickering faded suddenly from her eyes, and was replaced with a tender and sorrowful earnestness. But Ædegard smiled gently.

"I need no great speeches, Leafa, my heart. Your eyes say all I need."

She smiled then. "Farewell, dear Ædegard. Return to me soon. I will wait for you."

Okay for me to do that, Nuru?

[Nurumaiel]

lmp, I read through the thread and it appears that Leafa's mother is still alive and well, though unhappy with her life as a wayfarer.

And yes, by all means insert Ædegard's answer!

[littlemanpoet]

I've edited in the Ædegard/Leafa post. Let me know if I need to change anything.

Helen, soon as you get back here with something, I'll see what Raefindan can do with it. ;)

[mark12_30]

Raefindan

Raefindan strolled toward the home of Mellondu and Mellonin with the purpose of bidding farewell to his new friend and promising to keep a human eye out for her brother. It was a pleasant, well kept dwelling, as stone buildings in Minas Anor went (for he remembered that the old name had come back into usage by rule of the King).

He knocked on the door and waited.

Mother opened the door, and smiled. "Good Raefindan, welcome. Please, sit down." She faded into the back room, and soon emerged with Mellonin and Father.

"Raefindan. It was good of you to come, " said Mellonin.

Raefindan blinked at her newfound formality. "Mellonin?" He hesitated.

She smiled. "Forgive me. But I will miss you. I assume you have come to bid farewell. All is set for your departure, then, " she said, nodding, trying to sound as if she was not jealous, not envious, nor the least bit resentful to be staying behind. "Between Ravion and the elves, you will be very well guided. You will take up your archery lessons again?"

Raefindan smiled. "Perhaps I will not be the only one. Ravion was admiring Mellondu's fine bow. A ranger's bow, he said, of good workmanship. "

Father bowed slightly.

Mellonin hesitated. "Perhaps I will learn to shoot, while you are away. And then perhaps when you return..." Suddenly she laughed, and drew a hand over her eyes. "What am I saying. I will have plenty to keep me busy; the Inn is thriving, and I am busy all day long. Safe travels, Raefindan. May the Valar guide your path. Return home safely. All of you. I look forward to your return." She stood as if to leave, as the triple passions of mirth, grief, and desolation vied to rule her.

[littlemanpoet]

I'll try to squeeze in some time to take care of things regarding Raefindan today.

[Aylwen Dreamsong]

Here's a post for Nethwador/Bella. If anything isn't right about it or if you want to add/subtract (Helen), go right ahead. I guess it should go somewhere in the mondo-huge post with all the other goodbyes.

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“I do not want to stay here,” Bellyn murmured from where she sat, in the main room of the Seventh Star. Nethwador stood next to her, and when she rose from her seat and shouldered the small pack which she had carried all the way from Rohan many days earlier, the boy looked at her with furrowed brows.

“Nethwador mellon Bella,” said he, fervently. He spoke this one phrase, which he had often said on the road, with a wonderful certainty.

Bellyn nodded. “I know. But you have to go. Because Nethwador is also the friend of Amroth…and Amroth needs you now.” Bellyn went to the door, Nethwador close behind. She opened the door and felt the harsh, crisp breeze hit her cheeks.

“I will see you again, I promise,” Bellyn said, turning to Nethwador. She said this, more of a reassurance to her own worried mind than for Nethwador. Bellyn took Nethwador in an embrace, a quick embrace; for she felt her eyes suddenly begin to water. Then she turned away, off down the road she needed to take to get to the home of her nephew and her brother’s wife.

“Nethwador mellon Bella!” She heard, from behind. Bellyn paused. She turned around and ran back to the door of the Seventh Star, where Nethwador stood, and she flung her arms around him once more. It was a tight embrace, and Bellyn did not know how long it lasted before she withdrew, smiled, and turned away once more down the street.

The walk felt longer than when she had visited her sister-in-law earlier. When she reached the door once again, she felt the wind running through her hair as she knocked. Rosa opened the door, and Bellyn entered, saying goodbye to nights under the stars and to the promise of a new adventure every morning.

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-Aylwen

[littlemanpoet]

I'll wait for you two to finalize it before adding it to the "mondo-huge" post. :D

EDIT: I'll add it now. If there's anything else anyone feels needs doing, now's the time to say it; otherwise, seems to me we've covered it all. Yes? No?

[Aylwen Dreamsong]

I'm good with everything.

Where is everyone?

[mark12_30]

Nethwador watched Bella go.

Taitheneb watched Nethwador. There had been many late-night discussions between the boy and the elf over the past two days. He felt the boy's heartache well enough without touching his mind. Perhaps he felt it more than he wanted to. But no; the boy needed a friend, now more than ever. He waited. Bella disappeared from sight. Nethwador seemed poised to run after her.

Taitheneb sighed; then he smiled.

The boy wavered, and suddenly ran out the door, rounding the bend in the road 'til he could see her once more. But he did not call her name; he only watched her walking, til she slipped out of sight once more. Again he ran after her; again he watched, til she disappeared from his sight. Several folk gave him odd looks, and a few soldiers frowned. Again he pursued her.

By the time Rosa opened the door for Bella, Nethwador was wearier than he could ever remember being. He saw her disappear within Rosa's house, and stood for a while. Taitheneb watched over him, and Nethwador clung to the elf's gaze. His heart had never been so heavy. Slowly he walked back. When he came to the door of the Inn, Taitheneb was waiting for him.

Taitheneb thought that now, perhaps, Nethwador understood Amroth a little bit better. Nethwador looked up, startled; there was more in that thought than Taitheneb knew at first.

You?

Yes, little brother. You understand Lord Amroth. And perhaps now you understand me as well.

They went into the Inn, and together they sat silently by the fire, long into the night, til all the other folk had gone to bed. Finally Nethwador, weary from heartache, fell asleep on the hearth. Only then, in the red ember glow did Taitheneb allow three tears to fall. One, he reasoned, for Nethwador. One for Amroth. One last tear fell because his long years apart from his own wife had not yet ended.

Then he stirred, stood, and added some wood to the fire, watching over Nethwador til dawn.

'*****************************************
seems to me we've covered it all

Weary nod. We can always pick at it for a while. But let's call it "Mostly done", and move on.

[littlemanpoet]

Okay, added, Helen.

So now it's time to move on? In the new discussion thread?

[mark12_30]

Yes, I think so.

Let's leave Book 1 in Gondor, though, until Book 2 is quite established. We found (in the Lonely Star) that there was quite a bit of "woops, irt would have been good if we had done such and so" in a previous book, and we often did just that-- went back and corrected it. So let's leave room for that possibility.

But yes-- the new thread for Book 2 is now open.

I wish we had Alak, but we can carry her characters 'til she resurfaces. Let's press on.

[mark12_30]

***bump***

[littlemanpoet]

*bumped*

[piosenniel]

Is there a reason this thread is being bumped?

Is there something I can do for you?

~*~ Pio

[mark12_30]

Why, thank you for the interest, Pio. However, it is just because we are winding down in Book 2, and we will be revisiting some of the material in the process. So we all needed a review. We were bringing it up so that it would be handily accessible.

However, I also added a pair of links to the book 2 discussion thread. So no worries. Thank you.

Is all well with you?

[piosenniel]

For the time being, this thread will be stashed safely in Elvenhome.

It may be resurrected upon request.

~*~ Pio