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nine nazguls
01-12-2001, 05:14 AM
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if melkor was so powerful why couldnt he break the girdle of melian and destroy doriath


01-12-2001, 08:12 AM
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Re: melkor

First, by the time he returned to Middle Earth, he had used up or disseminated his power to the point where he may not have had enough strength to defeat the Girdle. JRRT comments that Sauron, at the end of the Second Age, with his Ring, was more powerful than Morgoth at the end of the First Age. Alternatively, if Morgoth still had sufficient strength to overcome the Girdle, he might have had to do so in person. Morgoth was the only Vala to know fear, perhaps because he had relinquished so much power. He would likely have been too cowardly to personally lead an attack on Doriath.

"The Silmarils with living light
were kindled clear, and waxing bright
shone like stars that in the North
above the reek of earth leap forth." </p>

01-12-2001, 09:11 AM
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He never led any attacks after the 2 trees.
I think Fingolfin wounding him 7! times [not to mention and eagle beaking him in the face], and even more so Melian's daughter [!!] putting him to sleep in his own throne room , [there you go Raw] taught him that his enemies were serious and bold and usually could not be cowed in fear.

It would have been interesting to see Feanor go toe to toe w/ him.
I think he would have done more damage but been tricked by Bauglir in the end and still squashed [and w/out an eagle to salvage his remains, due to his direct rebellion and insolence to Manwe].

The Girdle , reminds me how much Galadriel was really the Melian of the 3rd age . She was probably formed in wisdom more by her than anyone else [and they both had{sometimes} racist husbands to contend with]!
She must have learned the girdle trick straight from Melian [which shows high in her cofidence Galadriel was].


"What then was this hope , if you know ?" Finrod asked "They say" answered Andreth :" they say that the One will himself enter into Arda , and heal Men and all the Marring from the begining to the end." Lindil is often found on posting on the 'New Revised Standard' Silmarillion at the Barrowdowns discussion board. </p>Edited by: <A HREF=http://www.barrowdowns.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_profile&u=00000076>lindil</A> at: 1/12/01 10:17:27 am

01-12-2001, 09:28 AM
<font face="Verdana"><table><TR><TD><FONT SIZE="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Wight
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Re: Bauglir

Racist husbands, that is cute. Celeborn not liking dwarves and Elwe not really like humans.

Where did you find that tid bit on Sauron being more powerful that Morgoth, Mithadan. I don't remember reading that.


03-19-2002, 08:58 AM
And both Celeborn and Elwe learned better of their thoughts with Gimli and Beren.

I also would like to read that quote, Mith.

03-19-2002, 03:05 PM
p.394 of Morgoth's Ring.