Middle-Earth Cryptograms

[Bombadil]

If you don't know what a cryptogram is, it's just a phrase/sentence (etc.) with all letters represented by other letters.

Therefore:

JFB HFBHLAQV
is an example of a cryptogram for
TOM BOMBADIL

As you see, Fs represent Os and so on...

PLease try and use phrases with the letters A and/or I alone, and words with similar letters, so solving it isn't impossible! :D And please don't have a letter represent itself (A representing A etc.) I don't know how well this game will go, because it will probably involve solving on paper. ONe more thing! It's not like hangman, it's either all at once or nothing...here's an easy one to start off:


LMO DZMA WL DHTO WJOY RTT,
LMO DZMA WL EZMV WJOY,
LMO DZMA WL FDZMA WJOY RTT
RMV ZM WJO VRDIMOQQ FZMV WJOY.

[The Saucepan Man]

One Ring to rule them all
One Ring to find them
One Ring to bring them all
And in the Darkness bind them.

?

[Bombadil]

Perfect Saucepan! You're up!

[The Saucepan Man]

Thanks Bombadil. :)


Please try and use phrases with the letters A and/or I alone, and words with similar letters, so solving it isn't impossible! And, for the same reason, I think that we should stick to reasonably well-known phrases and avoid obscure quotes.

And I'm moving this to the Quotable Quotes forum, as I think that it is probably better suited there.

So, next question:

HCT QXGT VJG OKUVA OQWPVCKPU EQNF
VQ FWPIGQPU FGGR CPF ECXGTPU QNF
YG OWUV CYCA GTG DTGCM QH FCA
VQ UGGM VJG RCNG GPEJCPVGF IQNF

It should be fairly straightforward if you can work out the meaning of 'QNF'. :)

[Bombadil]

Far over the Misty Mountains cold
To dungeons deep and caverns old
We must away ere break of day
To seek the pale enchanted gold.

[The Saucepan Man]

Well done, Bombadil. :)

Back to you.

[Bombadil]

Busfq, Busfq, Usmqvf Jl Kdqjmqh!
Lqaa Mqqmf Bzbgq; Lsuq Bhm Fabcodkqu!
Fnqbu Fdbaa Eq Fdbgqh, Fdbgqh, Fdsqam Eq Fnashkquqm,
B Fzjm - Mbv, B Uqm Mbv Quq Kdq Fch Usfqf!
Usmq Hjz, Usmq Hjz! Usmq Kj Ojhmjv!

[Bombadil]

Ahhh! Why Isnt It Caps?

[luthien-elvenprincess]

"Arise, arise, Riders of Theoden!
Fell deeds awake; fire and slaughter!
Spear shall be shaken, shield be splintered,
A sword-day, A red day ere the sun rises!
Ride now, ride now! Ride to Gondor

[Bombadil]

very nice luthien! :D

[luthien-elvenprincess]

Ndju, Ugf Vzgl Dnn Ou Jbweqb, Dzj Ngzc Rbnj Ez Vbbmezc Prb Gznu
Pqbdwfqb Prop E Wbbv. Ubp Ep Ew Zgp Ugfqw Pg Ceib Ob, Bibz Ex Ugf
Lgfnj; Gznu Prqgfcr Jdqvzbww Wrdnn E Hgob Pg Ep.

[Bombadil]

Lady, you know all my desire, and long held in keeping the only treasure that i seek. Yet it is not yours to give me, Even if you would; Only through darkness shall i come to it,

[luthien-elvenprincess]

Very good Bombadil. You are up!

[Bombadil]

i hope this works...



B! BM! BM! LM LBK AMJJUK V CM
LM BKPU DX BKPZL PER RZMQE DS QMK.
ZPVE DPX OPUU PER QVER DPS AUMQ,
PER DPEX DVUKY PK YLVUU LM CM,
AGL GERKZ P LPUU LZKK V QVUU UVK,
PER UKL LBK IUMGRY CM YPVUVEC AS.

[luthien-elvenprincess]

Not sure...is this right?

Ho! Ho! Ho! To the bottle I go
to heal my heart and drown my woe.
Rain may fall and wind may blow,
and many miles are still to go,
but under a tall tree I will lie,
and let the clouds go sailing by.

(sometimes 2 letters were used in indicate the same letter)

[Bombadil]

ya that one was terrible, it took so long to make i didnt check to see if i had errors sry!

[luthien-elvenprincess]

ptz tfid otzd yjkh tf grhhyd erk tf uco; rfq ud erk khcyy jfkirhudq, rfq ud
erk btjfn, rfq ud erk wcfn: hud ytzq tp r pdyy adtayd.

[luthien-elvenprincess]

Anyone???

[The Saucepan Man]

For once more lust of battle was on him; and he was still unscathed, and he was young, and he was king: the lord of a fell people. Referring to Eomer as he set his banner in defiance at the black ships at the Battle of Pelennor Fields.

[luthien-elvenprincess]

You bit well! Correct.

[The Saucepan Man]

Thanks, luthien. :)

How about this one? I suspect that it will be fairly straightforward:


ska m pt yta wfttzd yti at pt ifca m wcvd at pt. m imgg yta pt afmz pddp. afd qmyx mz vmyd!

[luthien-elvenprincess]

But I do not choose now to do what I came to do. I will not do this deed. The Ring is mine!

Spoken by Frodo at Mount Doom.

[The Saucepan Man]

You have the solving of it, fair Princess. I yield the thread to you. :)

[luthien-elvenprincess]

s Gejna Diqh Loiqhnnha Nspdlho Ika Uoejpdl Ke Ikszin, Nhiwl Ec Inn Ldsw Ekh Ldil Wiz Sw Ceka Ec, Sc S Dia Dia Za Gib.

(WHY ISN'T THIS SHOWING IN ALL CAPS? I TYPED THEM IN IN CAPITALS :mad: )

[Bombadil]

i would have travelled lighter and brought no animal, least of all this one that sam is fond of, if i had had my way.

[luthien-elvenprincess]

Correct, Bombadil! Your turn :)

[Bombadil]

Hge C Tgtmjw Pw Kmmtma Wg Wqm Mrmk Gh Smfgsck Wqcw C Nqpwm Hsctm Hspoimema Gj Wqm Zegnk Gh Cecf Gej Spim C Kqpjpjf Oegnj.

[luthien-elvenprincess]

For a moment it seemed to the eyes of Legalos that a white flame flickered on the brows of aragorn like a shining crown.

[Bombadil]

you're up ! :D

[luthien-elvenprincess]

co Cf Df C Ikdgkt. Ovcf Hcedgt Vdf Rkhcojvkt Zpa. Dgk Upuk Op Rk Wkio Op Tkikut Ovk Ypwtku Vdww Pi Zpag Idovkgf, Dut Dww Zpag Ogkdfagk?

[Bombadil]

It is as I feared. This wizard has bewitched you. Are none to be left to defend the Golden halls of your fathers, and all your treasure?

[luthien-elvenprincess]

Correct, Bombadil :)

[Bombadil]

Lmfb Okxskl Dixlmfjxc, Omqk X Lkka Zixz Aebd Deakjmmzkl Mb Zik
Vmebzxmbd. Zik Fimzk Amlka Fxd Esmb Zikv, Xbl Zik Zkaama Mj Imd Hmvmbw
Jmookl Zik Kbkvg Fmzi Vxlbkdd.

[luthien-elvenprincess]

Is this right? I am not sure... if it is, then there were many mistakes in the puzzle. :p

Down leaped Shadowfax like a deer that runs surefooted in the mountains. The White Rider was upon them and the terror of his coming fooled the enemy with madness.

[Bombadil]

its all right except for the fooled. just look again, I'm pretty sure the leteers for that word are properly represented :)

[luthien-elvenprincess]

Here we go...
Down leaped Shadowfax, like a deer that runs surefooted in the mountains. The White Rider was upon them, and the terror of his coming filled the enemy with madness. :cool:

[Bombadil]

parfait!

[luthien-elvenprincess]

alrighty folks...here we go.

MH OLLBHA VW, PKEUUEKN XMH GEJ. 'ZMGX UIK! ZMGX UIK XL CH LUU GNGEK, LUU LK XMH JLGA ZEXM AZGJHP! XMEP EP ZMGX E MGFH JHGOOD CHHK OLKNEKN ULJ, ULJ DHGJP! NLLA-CDH!'

[Bombadil]

He looked up, sniffing the air. 'What fun! What fun to be off again, off on the road with dwarves! This is what I have really been longing for, for years! Good-bye!'

[luthien-elvenprincess]

Excellent as usual, Bombadil :)

[Bombadil]

AGKCIB SHCOG KCIC NCPAIC KANNVGB HCIC ; ZXS AGKCIB HVOO SHCOO

KCIC ZQZVX HKCX KANNVG ZIC XA DAIC. GKC HVSC HAIS VB ZOO ZNALG

FAL: FAL JZX PCXC FALIBCOUCB, NLG FAL JZXXAG PAI CUCI PCXJC VG ALG.






good luck!

[luthien-elvenprincess]

Others dwelt here before hobbits were; and others will dwell here again when hobbits are no more. The wide world is all about you: you can fence yourselves, but you cannot forever fence it out.

[Bombadil]

haha, wow. Even as I was typing that it was tough i still figured Luthien would get it. Awesome job! So prompt also! You're up :D

[luthien-elvenprincess]

hehehe, I do seem to have a knack for this type of puzzle. ;)
Here is, I hope, an easy one...I am leaving on a 7 day trip tomorrow and am not sure if I can get internet access without paying alot for it!

'PH P KT PA PF EGM HKMIA,' FAPD BPIBG. 'PA PF TPVL, P ALII EGM. TE GSN. TE CNLUPGMF. ELF, TE CNLUPGMF.

(owww, I wasn't even trying to make a word with this, but 'elf' came out! Somehow, I find things like that to be cool :rolleyes: )

[Bombadil]

well, i gave time duiring your leave to see if anyone would join this game besides me, and no- but that's fine! I'll just have to give the answer! *Btw, there were some discrepancies, like in the "said Bilbo" part, you had some letters representing themselves. Just letting you know! Here it is:


'If I am it is your fault,' said Bilbo. 'It is mine, I tell you. My own. My precious. Yes, my precious.'

[luthien-elvenprincess]

Ah, so I did...I was in a hurry in making it...with packing and all. Sorry :rolleyes: You are correct with the answer.
This is a great game, I don't understand why others don't get involved :confused:
Your turn.

[Bombadil]

Sorry! I forgot all about this game - although I think the only person I'm apologizing to is Luthien, lol. Here's a new one! It's been awhile...



XLV FV FA ABFC VTBV GPV LGVFZ VTBV TPLY TBC ALWT WPZC VTPLMTVA YLZDC

TFU; EPY FGCDDC ATD KTPU TD TBC ZPNDC KBA BUBYFD PE VTD NBGQBY, BGC ATD

KDGV GPV KEVT TFU FGVP DIFZD.

[luthien-elvenprincess]

Hi Bombadil :) , I figured it out...but I will wait a few days to see if someone else may, perhaps, answer. :)

[Bombadil]

Ha! I knew you'd get it! Smart move by the way, maybe we should start doing that everytime, because it also takes awhile to make one of those up! :)

[Firefoot]

If you don't mind my asking, I have never for the life of me been able to get these things. How do you go about solving them?

[Bombadil]

Some good tips are looking for certain repetitions of common words.

Par example:

UHG UGG WQSAX UHG OPZZ.

In most cases the UGH would represent "The" or "And." A lot of times it's process of elimination. In this case it represents the. So far you'd have:

The tee WQSAX The OPZZ.

If somewhere else in the clause you see a single letter it has to be an I or an A in almost all cases. These are some strategies, but basically you have to do them and practice them. Usually when someone starts out it's good to have one or two hints. So if you'd like one just ask ;)

By the way, my little example cryptogram says, "The tee holds the ball." :D

[Firefoot]

okay, that should help. Thanks for the tips!

[Firefoot]

Now I can feel proud of myself for figuring it out :) But it is said that not until this hour had such cold thoughts ruled him; for indeed she whom he had loved was Amarië of the Vanyar, and she went not with him into exile.

[Bombadil]

Correct! Luthien we have another player! ;)

[luthien-elvenprincess]

Great job Firefoot. Way to go! It didn't take you long to catch on! :)
Good tips, Bombadil. Also, it helps to realize that certain letters, such as 'E', 'S', 'T', etc, are used alot in the language. So look for letters that are used alot in the crypto and see if some of those fit in. Trial and error work. Look for double letters in words too, these are usually 'LL' or 'EE" or something like that. The easiest cryptos to figure out are ones that have a single letter in the puzzle, because this has to be an 'A' or 'I'.

Can't wait for the next one! :D

[Firefoot]

CR CH IVHR RD YDNV BCXHR JZLR GDE LXV BCRRVA RD YDNV, C HEQQDHV: GDE KEHR HRLXR HDKVJZVXV LWA ZLNV HDKV XDDRH, LWA RZV HDCY DB RZV HZCXV CH AWQ.

[luthien-elvenprincess]

Not sure of the last word...but, how about

It is best to love first what you are fitted to love, I suppose you must start somewhere and have some roots and the soil of the Shire is deep.

[Firefoot]

That's correct.

[luthien-elvenprincess]

ufb Mrs Unms Fu Pfmrpfbtsa Hfc Nbs Afm Najesbnyps, Ycm Faph Ufb Mrs Lftaw Fu Afcb Fea Mnjv. Hsm T Ofcpl Etjr, Esbs Tm Fu Nah Ndntp, Mrnm Mrs Fas Btaw Rnl Asdsb Yssa Ebfcwrm, Fb Rnl Bszntasl Ufb Sdsb Pfjm.

[Firefoot]

"For the fate of Lothlorien you are not answerable, but only for the doing of your own task. Yet I could wish, were it of any avail, that the One Ring had never been wrought, or had remained for ever lost." That is Galadriel to Frodo.

[luthien-elvenprincess]

You caught on very quickly, Firefoot ;) Correct

[Firefoot]

Thanks. :)

KYFF, X’FF MLXWY MRLY RG WUXM HYPMWFS HCRRB HYGRCY WUY YDB. X KXMH X VRJFB MYY VRRF MJDFXOUW PDB OCYYD OCPMM POPXD!

[Niluial]

well, I’ll smite some of this beastly brood before the end. I wish I could see cool sunlight and green grass again!

Is that right?

[Firefoot]

Yes.

[Niluial]

KIYP TOR QPM MOXCPLB OR BQP YLEIGYAPA QPOSPL, KYB QPM PJPR TPMP FMPJ OR BQP RBOMIXB PSPLXLF; QPM COLBIP TOR RPTL TXBQ FGIAPL HIGTPMR, KYB QPM QOXM TOR AOMU OR BQP RQOAGTR GH BTXIXFQB.

Hint: The Silmarillion.

[Bombadil]

Blue was her raiment as the unclouded heaven, but her eyes were grey as the starlit evening; her mantle was sewn with golden flowers, but her hair was dark as the shadows of twilight.

[Niluial]

That is correct :D. Don’t you just love that piece, absolutely beautiful.

[Bombadil]

Ok here we go...



"BYD, CFYG NLGC," JMF JYKC, "SMYS VMLKVF KJ NLBA LHFG. SMFGF KJ BLQ BL JMKO

SMYS QLENC IFYG RF MFBVF YBC K REJS KBCFFC YIKCF SMF CLLR LW RFB,

QMFSMFG K QKNN LG K BKNN: SMF NLJJ YBC SMF JKNFBVF."

[Mirkgirl]

"Nay, dear Lord," she said, "that choice is long over. There is now no ship that would bear me hence and I muse indeed abide the doom of men, whether I will or I nill: the loss and the silence."

[Bombadil]

Perfect! Except where you wrote "muse" it is "must." No biggie though, thanks for your participation, this game is starting to get bigger! You're up!

[Mirkgirl]

Well e is just 2 keys away from t.... I have to learn to type one of these days lol

It's a neat game :D

REQ XTFD ZEEO LTFAPLY, ISQ QE QAT LEWRQ - WG DES RTTO JEFT ITDERO QAT HEFO EG TUFERO. WG QAPQ HPY HEFQA P KESFRTD EG P ASROFTO PRO QTR OPDY QE ATPF, DES APO ITYQ UWYQTR QE WQ.
Might be a bit too difficult... but it does have a good deal of short words too... and the name of a certain elven lord in it... consider it a hint (:

[Firefoot]

"Not very good perhaps, but to the point- if you need more beyond the word of Elrond. If that was worth a journey of a hundred and ten days to hear, you had best listen to it." Bilbo to Gandalf.

This is a very satisfying game to get right. :)

[Mirkgirl]

:) right you are ofc... your turn

[Firefoot]

GBS GLJ RBQB HOPY MDYBBY SL QBIBMFB LJQ PMY RTBD GLJ IPXB PS OPNS SL STBNB NTLQBN, VPMDS-TBPQSBY OLMSBQBQN, PDY RBOODMHT BXUSGTPDYBY.

[luthien-elvenprincess]

Yet you were glad indeed to receive our aid when you came at last to these shores, faint-hearted loiterers, and wellnigh emptyhanded.

[Firefoot]

Yep.

[luthien-elvenprincess]

alrighty-then:

DWEYJKN LRHSO OLCILD UPOOPJ: OSPG KLCILD UPOOPJ OSPJP WN IL QRJNP WI PAZWNS, PIOWNS, LJ OSP OLIHRPN LB FPI UYK PILRHS BLJ NRQS OJPYQSPJG. KLDI DWOS NYJRFYI!

[Niluial]

May we have a clue?

[Bombadil]

Wizards ought to know better: They do know better. There is no curse in elvish, entish, or the tongues of men bad enough for such treachery. Down with Saruman!

[luthien-elvenprincess]

Good job, Bombadil. Your turn!

[Bombadil]

Zia Fh Bhi Omdmdzmo Egcfgjr'l Yhofl: Mkmc Ehjjid Dgb Wgkm Lhdmawtce

Bma Ah Fh? Zia Rho Wtd, Lgd, T Phijf Cha Wgkm Fmlaohbmf Awm Otce.

[Firefoot]

"But do you remember Gndalf's words: Even Gollum may have something yet to do? But for him, Sam, I could not have destroyed the Ring." That was Frodo to Sam on the slopes of Mt. Doom. One of my favorite parts, that. :)

[Bombadil]

Correct! Great part, I agree. :D

[Firefoot]

Sz qlkp zxxb j hjz ypjy pjq zw pwoqx nscc aw wz iwwy, jzb px nscc zwyjqg iwo cxjex ym iwccwn ypx yojsc. Zwo nscc px kwlzy ypx pxjbq wi jz xzxhv qjex nsyp j qnwob. S jh zwy nxjfwzcxqq.

[luthien-elvenprincess]

In such need a man that has no horse will go on foot, and he will not ask for leave to follow the trail. Nor will he count the heads of an enemy save with a sword. I am not weaponless.

[Firefoot]

Two thumbs up!

[luthien-elvenprincess]

Ok, the next one then...

WMAM XMS OS VM PVOG SWVS OZ SWYPM GVEP SWM WMOA YJ OPOXGBA VAYPM OZ SM ZYASW, VZG WM SYYQ SWM PWVAGP YJ SWM PFYAG YJ MXMZGOX, VZG OZ ODXVGAOP SWMC FMAM AMJYAEMG; VZG WM FMZS SY FVA, V EAMVS HVISVOZ YJ DMZ.

[luthien-elvenprincess]

'mon, someone!

[luthien-elvenprincess]

Yikes, I lost my answer...and had to figure out the answer to my own question! I realize that I have two errors in the puzzle. :( Sorry.
The fourth word is now corrected, as is word sixteen.

WMAM XMS OS UM PVOG SWVS OZ SWYPM GVEP SWM WMOA YJ OPOXGBA VAYPM OZ SWM ZYASW, VZG WM SYYQ SWM PWVAGP YJ SWM PFYAG YJ MXMZGOX, VZG OZ ODXVGAOP SWMC FMAM AMJYAEMG; VZG WM FMZS SY FVA, V EAMVS HVISVOZ YJ DMZ.

Maybe someone can get the answer now! :)

[Firefoot]

I think it goes: "Here let it be said that in those days the heir of Isildur arose in the North and he took the shards of the sword of Elendil and in Imladris they were reforged and he went to war a great captain of men."

[luthien-elvenprincess]

Excellent, Firefoot. The thread is yours.

[Firefoot]

Thanks!

tly si s hjv tx qw twcb, vwl'ex kwhx tjkg kpjzaxb iowh vwlo yojecq, jzb vwl cwwg zwn csgx iwcg jq kjz bxjc nsyp yowltcxq wly wi pjzb. s bwz'y bwlty vwl'cc qwwz qxy sy osapyq. awwb clkg yw vwl!

[luthien-elvenprincess]

Argh...I can't stand it anymore...I must answer. I have been not answering so that others may have a chance. I wish more would join in the playing of this thread. It is so fun!

But, if I may be so bold, you've come back changed from your travels and you look now like folkes can deal with troubles out of hand. I don't doubt you'll soon set it rights. Good luck to you!

[Firefoot]

Aye, that's it. :)

[luthien-elvenprincess]

Fwpapimap Fwpc Jubp U Fwuf Zpuxdp Ewkgw Kn Guzzpb Fwp Zunf Uzzkuhgp, Uhb Fwpc Juagwpb Punf Khfm Jkbbzp-puafw Xufwpakhx U Xapuf Wmnf Mi Pzopn Uhb Jph

[luthien-elvenprincess]

I like this thread...can we try it again? This one is easy.

HEVBCPV BH EFF IFFV L OLTP, HFO FU LVLERFVO.