Why did Hurin mock Thingol?

[Morgoth Bauglir]

When Hurin gave thingol the nauglamir he mocked him. my question is why he did that. did he do it because thingol made beren pay a price? ahhh

[burrahobbit]

Unhappy was the lot of Húrin; for all that Morgoth Knew of the working of his malice Húrin knew also, but lies were mingled with the truth, and aught that was good was hidden or distorted. In all ways Morgoth sought to cast an evil light on those things that Thingol and Melian had done, for he hated them, and feard them.

With the voice of Morgoth thou dost now upbraid thy friends.

Trickery and deceit.

[ August 08, 2002: Message edited by: burrahobbit ]

[Legolas]

'Receive thou thy fee,' he cried, 'for thy fair keeping of my children and my wife! For this is the Nauglamír, whose name is known to many among Elves and Men; and I bring it to thee out of the darkness of Nargothrond, where Finrod thy kinsman left it behind him when he set forth with Beren son of Barahir to fulfil the errand of Thingol of Doriath!'

Then Thingol looked upon the great treasure, and knew it for the Nauglamír, and well did he understand Húrin's intent; but being filled with pity he restrained his wrath, and endured Húrin's scorn. And at the last Melian spoke, and said: 'Húrin Thalion, Morgoth hath bewitched thee; for he that seeth through Morgoth's eyes, willing or unwilling, seeth all things crooked. Long was Túrin thy son fostered in the halls of Menegroth, and shown love and honour as the son of the King; and it was not by the King's will nor by mine that he came never back to Doriath. And afterwards thy wife and thy daughter were harboured here with honour and goodwill; and we sought by all means that we might to dissuade Morwen from the road to Nargothrond. With the voice of Morgoth thou dost now upbraid thy friends.'

And hearing the words of Melian Húrin stood moveless, and he gazed long into the eyes of the Queen; and there in Menegroth, defended still by the Girdle of Melian from the darkness of the Enemy, he read the truth of all that was done, and tasted at last the fullness of woe that was measured for him by Morgoth Bauglir. And he spoke no more of what was past, but stooping lifted up the Nauglamír from where it lay before Thingol's chair, and he gave it to him, saying: 'Receive now, lord, the Necklace of the Dwarves, as a gift from one who has nothing, and as a memorial of Húrin of Dor-lómin. For now my fate is fulfilled, and the purpose of Morgoth achieved; but I am his thrall no longer.'

Then he turned away, and passed out from the Thousand Caves, and all that saw him fell back before his face; and none sought to withstand his going, nor did any know whither he went. But it is said that Húrin would not live thereafter, being bereft of all purpose and desire, and cast himself at last into the western sea; and so ended the mightiest of the warriors of mortal Men.

A good case of the modern projection of a small devil standing on Hurin's shoulder, whispering evil thoughts into his ear.

[ August 08, 2002: Message edited by: Legalos ]

[Morgoth Bauglir]

'he understood well his inent'

but WHAT did he intend? and even if he intended to do something bad or mean, why would he give him the nauglamir?

[burrahobbit]

Húrin was saying "thank you for killing my children and my wife." Morgoth showed everything to Húrin, but in a twisted and distorted way. Húrin knew that Thingol had housed his wife and children, but he didn't know that Thingol was nice to them.

[Morgoth Bauglir]

ohhh! thanks so much burra i guess that whole time i didnt see the "for thy fair keeping of my child and wife"!!thanksss

[Dimaldaeon]

and well did he understand Húrins's intent but being filled with pity he restrained his wrath and endured Húrin's scorn.
This sounds almost like Húrin wanted to **** Thingol off so that he would kill him and he could be with his children.
I for one always hated Thingol, he had the pride and stubborness of the rebellious Noldor and he refused to fight alongside them *cough craven cough* he brought about Doriath's ruin by keeping the Silmaril.