What does your screenname mean?

[ohtatyaro]

I've made a search, but I haven't found anything to match it exactly. I mean, there were topics like 'where you youget that nick", but this topic is meant to find out what does your nick mean

Mine is quenya for 'warrior' :)

[Rimbaud]

<-- Pretension.

[Fordim Hedgethistle]

Hip hip huzzah! I've been waiting for someone to start this thread so I could crow about how smart I was in creating my screen name.

"fordim" is an archaic verb that means to obscure by casting into darkness (one fordims the living room couch by turning off the lamp)

"hedgethistle," well, OK isn't so smart as it's just a compound of (obviously) 'hedge' (in the sense of a bordering hedge meant to mark the boundary of a property for protection: cf the hedge between the Shire and the Old Forest) and 'thistle'.

So now that I look at it, I guess it's not that smart at all. :( But my SN means "an obscuring protective hedge composed of thistles" -- it seemed appropriate insofar as it's meant to be a mask behind which the 'real' me (whoever that is) can hide.

[paavo]

<---- My name. :D

[Estelyn Telcontar]

<-- Hope Strider - The first name is the feminized version of Aragorn's Sindarin name, chosen during a time when I needed hope, and the last name the Quenya version of his Ranger name, chosen because I am a walker.

[Boromir88]

Boromir is exactly Boromir, lol, in a mixture of quenya/sindarin it means "jeweled hand," and it also means "faithful jewel." The 88, just stand for nothing to deal with LOTR, it's the year when both my grandparents died.

[Elennar Starfire]

Heh, mine's got the meaning right there in it!

[Morsul the Dark]

Morsul means Dark Wind

Morsul the Dark is the sixth Isatiri(making this up don't search for it) who was corrupted and now wishes for ME Domination

[PaleStar]

Do they have to have a meaning? If so, I suppose my name refers to the light of Earendil's star..

[piosenniel]

<---- Lady of the Holly

Prickly about the edges and the pretty red berries are mildly toxic ;)

[Morsul the Dark]

Doesn't have to but it is fun to make believe :p that's what this site is about FUN! :D

[Sapphire_Flame]

Sapphire because I have a sapphire ring my dad gave me. Flame because I'm a pyro. http://www.handykult.de/plaudersmilies.de//devil/firedevil.gif

Abedithon le,

~ Saphy ~

[Imladris]

Imlad is the Elvish word for a valley or dell, and ris in this context means 'ravine', though it comes from a root-word meaning 'cut', referring to the deep, narrow nature of the valley. Tolkien uses the more picturesque old word 'riven' in his English translation of the name, 'Rivendell'.

Definition courtesy of Encyclopedia of Arda (http://www.glyphweb.com/arda/)

Heh, I didn't even know it meant that...learn something new every day...

[Esgallhugwen]

If my name were to be actually translated it would have been Lossefalme, but since I found this out today, after the fact that I used the Barrow-Downs name generator and chose the name Esgallhugwen, I have been trying to find what it means.

In the appendix of The Silmarillion it says that esgal means 'screen, hiding' as in Esgalduin the 'hidden river' that ran through Doriath.
wen of course means 'maiden', and I have absolutely no clue as to what hug could mean. Except of course when I joke that it means I am an Elven maiden that hides from hugs.

[Saraphim]

"Saraphim" is a misspelled form of the archaic word "seraphim" which is the plural form of "seraph" meaning "flaming spirit". The word is used to refer to a group of angels.

I named myself this because I was thinking of Feanor, whose name means "fiery spirit". I don't have a particular liking for Feanor, I just thought that was pretty nifty. So here we are.

I think it was Nilpaurion Felagund who said that the misspelling on my name would make the translation into "flemming spirit". This is marginly less nifty, but there's nothing I can do about it now.

[Encaitare]

Encaitare is the Quenya translation of my "real" name, Jamie. (But what's reality, anyway? Such an abstract concept ;) ) It means "One who supplants."

[Diamond18]

Diamond, the hardest substance found in nature, was known to the ancient Greeks. They called the gemstone adamas, using the same word they used for any unbreakable or indestructible substance, such as the hardest metal, or for anything unmovable. They spelled the stem of this word adamant-. Later, Latin writers borrowed these Greek words, sometimes spelling them adamant-, adamas and sometimes adimant-, adimas. The spellings adamant-, adamas in time gave us the English noun adamant, meaning "an imaginary stone of great hardness", and the adjective adamant, meaning "firmly fixed or decided". The "i" spellings in Latin were later changed from adimant-, adimas to diamant-, diamas and came to be used only for the gemstone which we now call diamond.

(courtesy of Merriam-Webster)


Though really, it just means that I like Pippin and would marry him if I could. :p


(and 18 was how old I was when I signed up)

[the phantom]

the phantom- it's what my parents named me.

It means "We don't take this parent thing seriously".

[The Only Real Estel]

Hope.
You needn't pay attention to 'The Only Real' bit, it's not meant to be translated The Only Real Hope. I only added that bit on because I messed up my e-mail address when I created Estel, so I couldn't get my password :rolleyes:. I can't say I chose it for the meaning either (though it worked out well), I chose it because it was a name of Aragorn's that I liked-and I had already been using it for 3 or 4 months in the chat room anyway.

[Morsul the Dark]

the phantom- it's what my parents named me.

It means "We don't take this parent thing seriously". :eek:

Boy I hope your joking :)

[Elven Hunter]

well, I think it pretty obvious what my name means. I chose it because if this was ME, I would like to be an elf warrior. I also like hunters when playing video games. I guess thats why.

[Elianna]

means 'star-gift'. Star part is 'eli', gift part is 'anna'. Guess that makes it Quenya...

I actually got the idea from a Star Trek DS9 episode when they were trying to convince Kira that her name was Iliana and that she was Cardasian. This was the only name I've heard that made me think "That's a really pretty name", and I realized that with only a little tweeking, it would be Elvish.

I also like reading name books, and found out that it's a real name in Hebrew meaning "My Lord has answered me." Cool huh?

[Lhunardawen]

I actually thought your name, Elven Hunter, means something else... :)

<-- Maiden of the region of Lhun...and couldn't be more appropriate because I claim to be friends with Gil-galad. I even claim that he was the one who gave me the name. Thanks, Barrowdowns name generator. :)

[StarJewel]

My name, in Quenya, would be "Ellimire". Sadly, both my first and second choices at the time, Miriel or StarMaiden, were already taken. Still, I like StarJewel.

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Nilpaurion has the elements paur, fist, and -ion, son.
I don't know what Nil means. Although I think it came from -(n)dil, lover of, devoted to.

As for Felagund, well, I needed a surname. Finrod is great - no, wait. He's the greatest. And he has no son. So I pop up. :)

Amarië, it's me! Your son!

I don't have a son.

Great. Thanks a lot, mom.

[Fingolfin II]

<---- My name means 'Finwë, wise Finwë', according to the Shibboleth. The 'II' is because when I joined this forum, I knew that someone would already have taken the name 'Fingolfin'. And I was right ;).

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Feanor of the Peredhil means straight up "Fiery Spirit of the Half-Elven." Fiery spirit in honor of my fiesty attitude and love of fire, half-Elven because of my love of Nature and desire for pointy ears. ;)

Fea

[Diamond18]

[Originally Posted by the phantom
the phantom- it's what my parents named me.]

:eek:

Boy I hope your joking :)

Don't believe a word of it. His name is Philip. See Post #32 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showthread.php?t=10753)

Diamond never forgets a secret revealed.

[Elven Hunter]

I actually thought your name, Elven Hunter, means something else... :)

hmm.. what would that be? If there was another meaning for my name maybe its for targeting elves too.. maybe, close friends of mine who have split personalities saying that they're elves. when they turn around.. Haha! watch out for my arrows :D

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Indeed, Elven Hunter. Although I realized soon after I saw your name that you were an Elf who likes to hunt, I can't force my imagination away from a very well trained human who creeps around Lothlorien killing Elves. Kind of disturbing, I know...

[Lalwendë]

<--- Means 'laughing maiden' or 'merry maiden'. I chose it because I like a fair bit of mirth and merriment! Instead of using my real life hobbit-style name, I was going to choose something clever based around my name but it was taking far too long to think of anything so I chose this instead, then I could get on with posting! I do wonder if there is an equivalent name for 'impatient maiden'.

[Evisse the Blue]

I like reading about other people's names! But mine is nowhere near that interesting. Evisse means ... absolutely nothing. *gasp* It's a completely made up name of a fictional character from a story one of my friends made up a while ago in response to a challenge. I liked the sound of it so I borrowed it. And the Blue part is a tribute to my dog who's called Blue. I decided to add a colour because the original Evisse from the story was a witch.
I've wanted so many times to change my name since then, having found smarter, prettier and more Tolkien - related names, but alas, it is not possible...

[The Perky Ent]

Oh, I've got a really thought out explanation for this! The , comes from the english word the, meaning the definite article used before singular or plural nouns and noun phrases that denote particular, specified persons of things. Perky, comes from the adjective meaning Having a buoyant or self-confident air. And finally, Ent, comes from the word Ent, meaning a large, life-like tree. When you connect them all, you get The Perky Ent: A self-confident large, life-like tree that is used before singualr or plural nouns!


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Ok, seriously now. I chose The Perky Ent, as it is a good name. Not everything in life has meaning. I'm not actually an ent (though I don't admit it often), there is no heroic story of me traveling the seven seas in search of a perfect name. It just happened. Actually, my predicessor was The Hasty Ent, but, when introduced to the magic of sugar, The Perky Ent took over. And I wouldn't have it any other way :D

[Isowen]

Mine just means Isowen, its actually my name in elvish! everyone else's is interesting though (some are fun too, others a little confusing)

[Gil-Galad]

well you should all know what mine means...


'Ereinion' means 'descendant of kings'; 'gil-galad' is 'star of radiance'

[InklingElf]

<---no pun intended/elf hah!

[Morgul Queen]

Queen of Dark Sorcery, chosen during an extremely fangirlish mement when I first joined the LotR fandom.

I much prefer Morgul now, but you can call me Morgy if you want, or Agent Darkling if you want to get my attention for some reason or another.

Oh, and Perky? Ent comes from the Anglo-saxon word meaning 'Giant'.

*grins*

[Gil-Galad]

Morgul Queen could also mean Dead Queen...

[Oddwen]

Odd= well, odd and
Wen= maiden in Elvish.

Rather simple, but I really like it.

[Elven Hunter]

... I can't force my imagination away from a very well trained human who creeps around Lothlorien killing Elves. Kind of disturbing, I know...
You're right. Actually, when I was deciding on my name, my first choice was Elf Hunter. And that was its meaning, but I thought it would be scary for other people so I changed it to Elven Hunter being on the good side of the elves.

[Lachwen]

Lachwen. I was so proud of this...

Lach (or, technically, lhach) means "leaping flame" in Sindarin. "Wen, of course, is "maiden." So Lachwen, the Maiden of Leaping Flame.

I made up this name partially because I love fire, partially because of my own firey temper, but in reality it was a surname for a character in a fanfic I never finished. She was sort of an Elven version of Éowyn, you know, a hardcore warrior-maiden who travelled with the Rangers. In my story, Elrohir gave her the name after seeing her first fight against Orcs, when she seriously poned them.

In a startling coincidence, the character's given name was Esgalost, "The Hidden Fortress," which was just what I got from the name generator. But I can help you with your name, Esgallhugwen! :D

OK, the element you don't understand is not hug but lhug (notice the double L in your name?). Lhûg is the Sindarin form of Quenya (h)lókë, which means "snake, serpent." The derivative lok-, "bend, loop", is found in Urulóki, the Quenya name for Dragons. So your name means something like "Hidden Serpent Maiden."

Wow, I've read The Silmarillion a few too many times... :cool:

[Esgallhugwen]

Of course! *wacks self on head* I do now recall that I have looked up lhug before but for some reason I chose to pay little attention to it, perhaps because I was uncertain on something that I now cannot recall. Oh well 'tis not important now that Lachwen has so courteously jogged my slumbering memory.

Hmm how to put it:

The Maiden of Hiding Serpents (or Dragons perhaps)?

Any suggestions? I'm feeling awefully dumb :(

[Morgul Queen]

Morgul Queen could also mean Dead Queen...

Not really. The word Morgul comes from Mor - dark, and gul - sorcery, knowledge. As for the queen, I've long since dropped it in other forums, but I really should have used Tari or Bereth.

[Gil-Galad]

i know about that, but most people would think you get it from Minas Morgul, which means City of the Dead...just thinking don't have to throw it back in my face if you don't like Dead Queen

[Thorongil]

Mine means "Eagle of the Star". But I guess most of you already knew that.

[Noxomanus]

Noxomanus is a name that has nothing to do with LotR,but does IMO, have a dark and sinister tone to it. It's derived from ancient Greek and Latin, I think.

Nux, night, combined with manus or hand or claw. Noxomanus thus means Night-Claw. As for my avatar,what could be more symbolic for a 'night-claw' then an owl?

[Laitoste]

Laitoste is my name, Lauren, in Quenya. According to the site I got the translation from (quenya lapseparma (http://www.elvish.org/elm/names/l.html)) says my name is the feminine form of Laurence, which is from Latin 'from Laurentum'. I've always thought that my name meant 'crown of laurel leaves' or something to that extent. Whatever works, I suppose.

[Lachwen]

Hey, cool! My real name is Laura, which makes my Quenya name Laitaine. That actually sounds kinda nice... :)

[Gil-Galad]

that page is pretty neat, i expected my elvish name to be better then Nan...i also liked Serutur for Vladimir, with means Ruler of Peace...Nan mean Valley

[ohtatyaro]

So much feedback :D

keep going :):)

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

which makes my Quenya name Laitaine
I'll have to remember this. There are a lot of women named Laura in my life, therefore its pretty applicable to me. Laura, Laurie, Lori, Laura, Laura, Lauren... Kinda scary. And confusing. Very confusing when you get three Lauras in the same house.

Fea

[Meela]

This is the point when I curse my career choice and lack of naming abilities.

Meela is just an ordinary name. I can't find a meaning for it. I joined when I was studying egyptology and chose the name in homage to my mentor.

My other name is Alesse, and *searching*.... turns out to be the name of a birth control pill... okay, moving on... *checks elvishness* apparently 'esse' means name. So Alesse could be warped to mean 'a name'. Nice and simple, huh?

[Keeper of Dol Guldur]

My name means "Keeper of Dol Goldur".

I keep Dol Goldur nice, I am it's keeper. Unfortunately waaaaaaay back when I stumbled across the Barrow Downs and the Wights beckoned me in, I mispelled Guldur as Goldur.

What does Dol Guldur mean? It means ... Hill of Black Magic. Guldur means Black Magic, Dol means Hill. Easy enough? Actually, Dol means "head" but it's used figuratively to describe high places, such as Dol Guldur and Dol Baran, or Dol Amroth.

[Firefoot]

Well, let's see. "Fire", as in "pretty flame". I have some slightly pyro tendancies when the mood takes me. (Not usually, just occaisionally). And "foot" as in 12 inches. So I'm a 12 inch flame. :D

Seriously, though, Firefoot is the name of Éomer's horse and I have no idea why I picked that at the moment. It just sounded cool, I guess.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

I have some slightly pyro tendancies when the mood takes me.
Don't I know that mood... I have the same one. Remember "Fiery Spirit"? Hoo-boy... I was the one who sits in the back of the Chemistry room playing with the sparkers (for the bunsen burners). My entire lab thought I was nuts. That's okay though, since it was mutual.

For a little more history of Fea's name, the "of the" comes from a stage I went through when all of my creative writing characters were of some place or group. Example: Princess Miriam Anamaeri Julietta Sarafina of Ayviaron. Usually I just called her Miri.

So my name turns into Half-elven Fiery Spirit Who Likes The Word "Of". I could call myself Hefswltwo... :p

Fea

[Gil-Galad]

funny how people have Pyro tendacies but i mainly have Aqua tendacies...i sometimes get carried away and make the whole bathroom sink wet (when i was young of course)

[Elennar Starfire]

Meela is just an ordinary name. I can't find a meaning for it.

I found this whilst trying to find a website to learn Gaelic...

Mile (pronounced meela)

Sorry, I can't remember what it means at the moment, but ye could probably look it up somewhere. I just remembered it because it made me laugh, which got me in trouble, as I was at the library.

[Morcarkawen]

Mine is really boring....it's my first and middle name in Elvish

Megan Marie=Morcarkawen

[Kransha]

Kranshaa: The solar plane of Kahanah, controlling the Grinhilam Ray. The Pale Blue Ray of Recording and Foresight, and who is known as the Recording Lord, The Lord of the Tenth Solar Plane. One of the Twelve Solar Planes discussed in the belief system of the Holy Order of Graal, a religion which I have, in fact, never heard of, and sounds like a load of Oliphaunt manure (apologies to any BD-Members of the Holy Order of Graal enclosed herein).

Kranshanism: An obscure division of uncongregated Hinduism revolving around the worship of Krishna, one of Vishnu's numerous avatars. Unlike Krishnaism, Kranshanism is more liberal, but more strict with its liberalism, ironically. Despite they're teachings of dismissal involving their believers' adherance to Krishnaism, they enforce 'being liberal' more strictly that Krishnaists. I'm not Hindu, by the way, nor am I Krishnaist or Kranshanist.

Koransha: A series of late Qing Dynasty Porcelain vases that were constantly reproduced in factories in Southern China throughout the 19th Century. Many were exported illegally to Korea, and later stolen by North Koreans nearly a century afterward, after the communist division of the country. The Northern Koreans still hold the Koransha Vases, which have risen steadily in value. They claim that the Koranshas they hold are the authentic vases from the Qing Dynasty, but a foreign inspector revealed that they were falsified, one of the many reproduced copies, and the real Koranshas were either still in South Korea, or had remained in China.

Kransha Gora: A rather eccentric scholar from Luxembourg who wrote Le Seigneur des Annaeux, Un Critique, a particularly bizarre Tolkien review. I've actually read this, the guy's utterly insane. He has a very soft spot in his heart for Mr. Friedrich Nietzche...that's Post-Insane-Asylum-Commitment Nietzche.

Kransha: A mild-mannered, relatively unintelligent young man, not yet old enough to be called old, not young enough to be called young, who doesn't mind being called an 'orc' and has been known to relish the fact that he is a villainous individual. Some say he has demon blood in him, others say he has Lenin's blood in him, but nobody really thinks he's evil...just...misunderstood...

[Encaitare]

I was the one who sits in the back of the Chemistry room playing with the sparkers (for the bunsen burners).

Same here, except it was our whole table. If you get a lot of the flint powder built up in the bottom of the sparker and then fling it into the flame, it sparkles! My chem teacher kept scolding us for doing that; fortunately he's not a very good disciplinarian...

But that's OT! Now for something actually pertaining to the thread, I have a question for those familiar with Quenya. Which syllable in Encaitare gets the stress?

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Laitoste: Cool site. I found out that Louis - my name - means Alcarothar. 'tis nice, but I'll stick to Elenrod. ;)

Firefoot: A 12" flame? Scary! :D

Kransha: On the Where'd ya get that nick?? (http://www.forum.barrowdowns.com/showthread.php?p=207922#post207922) thread you said "Kransha" came from A HSNARK or some creature. Now, this? I'm confused.

Encaitare: It's accented on /cait/. Hope that helps! :)

[Morsul the Dark]

Andrew means Veon...could be better...could be worse...Morsul is sti;ll my main name!

[Lachwen]

So which syllable has the accent in "Laitaine?" I really like the way that sounds, I think I'll name my next guitar Laitaine. :cool:

[Kransha]

Kransha[/b]: On the Where'd ya get that nick?? (http://www.forum.barrowdowns.com/showthread.php?p=207922#post207922) thread you said "Kransha" came from A HSNARK or some creature. Now, this? I'm confused.

Yes, that's true, but that would be my younger brother's definition of the name. You see (I probably should've told all you people by now, but I never felt it necessary), when 'Kransha' first came around here, it was more or less that aforementioned younger brother, who is very Tolkien wise, but I believe (secretly) that he really expected this site to be a little...to put it bluntly...stupider. He got tired of it fast, and I discovered. Needless to say, I would probably change my SN if I could, since this isn't mine per se. I decided I might try my hand at really getting into the 'Kransha' thing. It's not a bad name, though (suits me, I suppose). I've been subtle getting rid of some of 'his' posts, that didn't go with the new management. The kid sounds just like me, really, so it's impossible (sometimes) to tell his posts apart from mine. I could point them out to you...

BTW, even though this is irrelevant, it is about my SN, so it seems on topic...or is that just a dark facade! We'll never know...or will we?....No...

[Encaitare]

Thanks, Nilpaurion! That is what I thought, but I just needed verification because I kinda like it better with the stress on the second-to-last syllable... oh well, at least I'll have it right from now on!

Lachwen, in Laitaine, the stress is like this: Laitaine

[Gelmir]

<------------
My name, Gelmir means Elven jewel, Gel meaning elven or elf and mir meaning jewel. :D :smokin:

[Lyta_Underhill]

I suppose any meaning I could retroactively assign to my nickname would not stand up to the shining verbosity and eclecticism of Kransha! ;) "Underhill" was my idea of the "obvious pseudonym," a la Frodo Baggins. (Then I found everyone else thought of the same exact thing before me...). Lyta is a Vorlon-altered psychic rebellious time bomb with undiscovered (perhaps undiscoverable?) powers, i.e., Lyta Alexander from Babylon 5, one of my favorite science fiction television shows of all time. Plus, I've sort of become Lyta online by default over the years. I even think in "Lyta" if you get my meaning!

Cheers,
Lyta

[Estelyn Telcontar]

I didn't realize that your nick is a B5 reference, Lyta! Very cool! My favorite Sci-fi TV show as well...

[Diamond18]

How is "Lyta" pronounced, Lyta? As in, "Lighta" or "Leeta"? Because, since part of my real name is Lita (pronounced Leeta) I have always spoken your screenname that way in my mind, but I realize it might be wrong and there's nothing I hate quite so much as mispronouncing things....

And Kransha... you know you could have just created a new account for yourself, instead of stealing your little brother's identity. *sticks nose in the air* Actually, though, I can see how that would be handy. Any time you take heat for a post you can actually claim that it was your little brother, Little Kransha.... In fact I may try that myself. There are a few posts I can think of that I would like to claim my evil twin wrote because of course I would never say something so foolish.... :p And this is shaping up to be one of them.... *moseys off, twitching*

[Vanya]

My name should tell you that Vanyar are my favorite elves; Vanya is smart girl who made smart choice - to stay in Valinor

[shia'tan]

My screen name bears absolutly no resmblence to my character, beliefs or tendancies (that's the official story and I'm sticking to it).

Shia'tan, islamic name for Satan, well the name just seemed to fit in with the conceit of the Barrow Downs, where dark and evil things dwell to lure the unsuspecting to thier doom!

It is also the name of a minor character in the short stories of Robert Jordan.

[Lachwen]

*pounces on Lyta* Babylon 5 was the greatest! I love you now! :D

By the way, Lyta, did you ever catch that subtle Middle-earth reference they stuck into B5? The homeworld of the Shadows being Kazadum? :D

Oh, man, I'm a sci-fi nut. Give me Babylon 5 and Firefly, and I'm happy forever. :cool:

[Lady of the Pants]

My name does have something to do with LotR. (more like LotP) :D I used to be lotrgirl but that was before I was introduced to the Lord of the Pants thread in Middle-Earth Mirth. I thought that the thread was outrageously funny and if anyones reads my profile they would find that I put a lot of "pants" humor in it. Back to topic, I chose Lady because I am a girl and of the Pants in honor of the thread. I tried out my real name on the name generator. I forgot what it was. Sadly I cannot change my screen name to anything more intelligent so I'm stuck as Lady of the Pants forever. *sniff,sniff* :cool:


~Lady of the Pants

(maybe I'll sign off next time as The girl formerly known as Lady of the Pants!) ;)

[HerenIstarion]

Order of Wizards

cheers :)

[Sirithheruwen]

My name is just my Elvish name from the BD name generator. At first it was all I could think of that wasn't taken and I didn't like it. Now I couldn't imagine myself with any other screenname. :)

funny how people have Pyro tendacies but i mainly have Aqua tendacies...i sometimes get carried away and make the whole bathroom sink wet (when i was young of course)

Sometimes I think I'm part mermaid (without the tail). Every single pool I see, I have to jump in or "accidentally" fall into. :rolleyes: I can watch a waterfall or even water running from a tap for forever, or until an armoured truck pulls up with the water bill. ;)

[Lhunardawen]

hmm.. what would that be? If there was another meaning for my name maybe its for targeting elves too.. maybe, close friends of mine who have split personalities saying that they're elves. when they turn around.. Haha! watch out for my arrows

I do hope that's no one I know, Elven Hunter. :eek:

HerenIstarion, how did you know that? :D :rolleyes:

[elronds_daughter]

boy, i think mine's pretty obvious. *mutters* stupid adolescent ideas..... *snaps back to reality* anyway, i guess i was facinated with Arwen at the time i came up with that. or maybe i was just un-creative. either way, i wish i could change it. *sigh* oh, well. i probably wouldn't come up with anything brilliant. but you've gotta admit, "elronds_daughter" provides for quite a bit of creativity. ;)

cheers!

Elrond's (other) daughter

[Neferchoirwen]

Roughly, my name means "The maiden by the birch."

I hardly remember which parts are Sindarin and which were Quenya. "Nef" means beside (I think), "Fer" or "Choir" would be one of the words meaning "birch," and "Wen" is the tell-tale maiden.

I got it from the name generator. whopee!

[Lyta_Underhill]

I finally managed to navigate back to this thread, and I didn't realize there were so many of the B5 crowd lurking about here in the Down Below! (..always liked the concept of "Down Below"!) (Wouldn't want to go "Downtown" though!-obscure B5 reference for aficianados out there!)
Diamond, Lyta is pronounced as you said "Lee-ta" just like Ms. Alexander on B5.

Lachwen, Z'ha'Dum/Khazad-Dum: real good one there! What about the Third Age of Mankind, (leave off the "10 years after the Minbari War" part). Also the Rangers and even the pits of Z'ha'Dum with the lone resident Lorien, oldest and First! I can't even begin to count the Middle Earth references in B5! I've called it "Lord of the Rings" in space! Even has elements of the Silmarillion! The whole concept of "Beyond the Rim," with the mass exodus of Technomages and finally the Shadows and Vorlons, along with Lorien, leave for the Rim. Like the Elves and magical Firstborn Races (Old Ones)!

Lots of good Middle Earth references in B5! Wondered why I liked it so much! ;)

Cheers!
Lyta

[Gelmir]

Don't say your name doesn't mean anything, it's stupid!

[dancing spawn of ungoliant]

A spawn of an enormous ancient spider who happens to dance. (quite obvious, eh? ;) )

[Mithalwen]

Grey tree ..... not grey something maiden ..... happened to be my main RPG character at the moment I joined who was a silver-haired elf and to fit her char I wanted something mysterious and unobtrusive ..... as a change and contrast to earlier more flamboyant characters.... who were actually slightly obnoxious... which is closer to me - I won't say!

[Gelmir]

After somebody says don't say that your screen name doesn't mean anything, sooner or later someone gonna say, ''My screen name doesn't mean anything, huh huh huh huuuh.'' Just you wait :smokin: .

[Morgul Queen]

i know about that, but most people would think you get it from Minas Morgul, which means City of the Dead...just thinking don't have to throw it back in my face if you don't like Dead Queen

Sorry Gil-Galad, I didn't mean it like that. It's just that after a while you get so tired of explaining this to people who then accuse you of flaming...*sighs*

But, to be technical, Minas Morgul is called the City of the Dead because that's where the Nazgul rule, the actual meaning is the 'Tower of Dark Sorcery'.

I actually chose the name because, at the time, I had a nazgirlish fixation with the Morgul-Lord....not my best idea, but I have grown rather attached to the name.

Oh, and City of the Dead would be 'Ostgyrth'.

Sorry again, I'm a PPC agent, if that's any explaination. I get a bit annoyed when people misinterpret elvish.

[Iris Alantiel]

"Iris", besides being my favourite flower, is also the Greek goddess of rainbows, and I've always loved rainbows, since they are a symbol of hope and full of pretty colours besides. As for "Alantiel", I patched that together while listening to my FotR movie soundtrack, based on words I picked up from the Elvish in the Enya songs. Roughly translated, it means "fallen star". Some people think that sounds depressing, but I think it's all in how you look at it - I prefer to think of it as reflecting a star that has come down from the heavens to contribute its light to the earthly realm, rather than a star that has descended from its starting place and come to lower things. In any case, "Iris Alantiel" is from my pen name, myself being an aspiring writer.

[RadomRadagast]

i am radom and i just read the part about radagast hence my name :cool:

[Aule]

i think we all know what mine is :)

[Pyroclastic]

Pyroclastic is a geologic term approximately meaning "volcanic rock fragments". Unfourtounatley, this name has been quite prophetic regarding my geology carreer among other things. Never think that names have no bearing on who we become.

Flames! ~Pyro~

[Lachwen]

Pyroclastic - my dad is a geologist, so when I saw your name I immediately had visions of various volcanoes erupting in spectacular fashion (specifically, Mt. St. Helens and Pinatubo). I love you now. ;)

[Pyroclastic]

Well thank you Latchwen, I'm flattered. I really wanted to find something both geologic and LOTR realted, and I'm pleased with the result.

~Pyro~

[Avie]

Terrifyingly nerdile as it is I chose my screen-name in homage to Apple Computer's Great High Poobah of software. Tragic I know.
Could be worse though. I very nearly went with Teleporno for sheer amusement value :)

[Estelyn Telcontar]

Welcome to the Downs, Avie! Your alternate possible name choice would have surprised a lot of people who haven't read HoME! I wonder what Tolkien would think if he realized the connotations of that name nowadays... :D

[Avie]

Thank you for your kind welcome. Happy to be here!
One indeed wonders if the good professor had been over-indulging in the pipeweed when he came up with that particular linguistic gem :)
As you say though, words change their connotations over time. No doubt Prof T would revolve in his grave to think that his noble Elf creation now conjures up visions of....erm....certain specialist telecommunications services!
:):)

[Elennar Starfire]

Aiea.... :eek:

[Zebedee]

my 2nd middle name

[elronds_daughter]

You have two middle names, Zebedee? That is very cool. Love your sig, by the way. Dilbert rules!:D




I very nearly went with Teleporno for sheer amusement value :) :eek: yike, Avie. but funny too.

[Lyre Elfwood]

Mine is just the randomly made-up name of a LOTR char on the Neopets RP board. Sad, I know, but I just like the name so much...

[yavanna II]

<--- Giver of Gifts.
Actually I never give gifts, I only receive em, but I like Yavanna, both the name & the meaning. II coz my fave teacher's name is Yavanna, not so sure if she' s TOlkienist. :D
I don't like kementari, it sounds like cementery. :eek:

[Mithalwen]

Welcome to the Downs, Avie! Your alternate possible name choice would have surprised a lot of people who haven't read HoME! I wonder what Tolkien would think if he realized the connotations of that name nowadays... :D


I half wonder if it even occured and maybe someone had to point it out to him ...surely if he noticed such things he wouldn't have called the Uruk/Orc in Cirith Ungol (not Gorbag) THAT.... but maybe it just meant a type of tobacco or a bird like a cormorant then........

[Encaitare]

I half wonder if it even occured and maybe someone had to point it out to him ...surely if he noticed such things he wouldn't have called the Uruk/Orc in Cirith Ungol (not Gorbag) THAT.... but maybe it just meant a type of tobacco or a bird like a cormorant then........ --Mith

Indeed. :D

Welcome to all those recently deceased!

[elronds_daughter]

I half wonder if it even occured and maybe someone had to point it out to him ...surely if he noticed such things he wouldn't have called the Uruk/Orc in Cirith Ungol (not Gorbag) THAT.... but maybe it just meant a type of tobacco or a bird like a cormorant then........
I'm sure Professor Tolkien is twisting and turning in his grave over our horrid slang...

[ohtatyaro]

I'm glad this thread is not dead, but lives one :). I mean, thank you for all the feedback, yes :)

[Lindo]

Lindo means Songbird.

[Gothbogg the Ripper]

I believe my name came from an Orcish variation of my actual name on the name generator, I'm not 100% sure that it's correct but I gave it a go anyway. :D

[The Saucepan Man]

I've posted this somewhere else, but what the heck ...

When I first joined, I had just read the Faraway Tree books (by Endi Blyton) to my daughter. Since they had been my favourite books as a child until I read The Hobbit, I assumed the name (and occasionally the personality) of my favourite character from them. :smokin:

[Fordim Hedgethistle]

That's all well and good (and interesting) but what is up with that. . .um. . .interesting looking fellow now serving as your avatar?

[The Saucepan Man]

but what is up with that. . .um. . .interesting looking fellow now serving as your avatar?Abe is in the tradition of unlikely and reluctant heroes. Very Hobbitish, in a way. :p :D

Edit: (As indeed is the Saucepan Man himself, now I come to think of it.)

[Mithadan]

Mithadan signifies "Wearer of Red Sox" in Quenya.

[Lalwendë]

I assumed the name (and occasionally the personality) of my favourite character from them.

Wasn't the Saucepan Man the slightly scary one? :eek: Or am I getting mixed up with Moon-Face? Dang, I'm going to have to find those books again.

[The Saucepan Man]

No, that was the Angry Pixie. :D

[Lalwendë]

Yes, the Angry Pixie, just like my neighbour...

Tee-hee :D :

Here's our dear old Saucepan man with all his sauce pans and kettles tied around him. He doesn't live up the tree, but visits his friends often. isn't he peculiar? All that clattering and banging of his kettles and pans makes him quite deaf at times and creates the funniest situations. Once when Jo said "I am glad of that", Saucepan heard Cat!!! and said "No, I haven't got a cat!" Silly old Saucepan Man! ..

More Faraway Tree things here. (http://www.upthefarawaytree.50megs.com/characters.htm)

[Pallando]

If you don't know who my name belongs to, either read Unfinished Tales or go to Encyclopedia Arda (http://www.glyphweb.com/arda/default.htm).

[Gil-Galad]

Its more important if you know who you are Blue Wizard...

[Pallando]

I do know who Pallado is/was.
He was one of the Ithryn Luin (Blue Wizards). He and Alatar traveled to the Eastern lands and were never seen again. Curunir went with them also, but he returned to the western section of Middle-Earth alone. What happened to the twain is unknown, whether they perished, caught by the Dark Lord and taken into his service, or set up cults in the East. All that is known for sure is that only Mithrandir returned to Valinor.

[Carnimírië]

Carnimírië is Quenya for "red-jewelled." It was the name of one of Quickbeam's beloved rowan trees that was cut down by Saruman's orcs. I picked it for its sound without knowing what it meant when I contemplated what screenname to use should I ever join the Barrow Downs...

[rutslegolas]

Really my screen name dosent mean anything ,its just my name initials "rut",and legolas,can I change it?? :(

[Nimrodel_9]

My name and sig (most of it anyway) refers to (as I`m sure you know) Nimrodel, the Elven maiden of old. :D

[HerenIstarion]

Really my screen name dosent mean anything ,its just my name initials "rut",and legolas,can I change it??

see How would I go about getting a name change? (http://69.51.5.41/showthread.php?t=11187)

[Essex]

I am very lazy. I use the same screen name on whatever forum I'm on. It's the county of my birth and I've lived there for all my years.

Yes, it is the land of Essex Boy and Essex Girl. Oh, and to add I'm married to a Tracey....and she used to be a secretary.....and she's blonde....and she used to drink malibu and pineapple....(she's moved onto southern comfort now, but luckily she doesn't like my Jim Beam) But at least she's never owned a pair of stilletos, and I can't remember her dancing round a handbag whenever I was with her at Hollywood's nightclub.

(apologies to the 99.99% of forum members who haven't got a clue what I'm going on about, but that's normal anyway...)

PS The only tenuous link to Essex I can garner for Lord of the Rings is that one of our towns has roads named after the characters and places of lotr. ie rivendell, gandalf way etc.

[Ireth Sirfalas]

its my elven name!

[rutslegolas]

Cool Avtaar Ireth Sirfalas where did you get it from?

I just read the forum you gave me HerenIstarion,and it says I can't change it :( :( .

[ohtatyaro]

I think you can add your another nick to your signature. I mean, something like 'rutslegolas is also known as X'

Besides, I have an idea. How does your Screenname relate to your real name? I don;t ask rutslegolas individually, I ask all of you.

Mine, I've said, means 'warrior'. My real name is Andro (though sometimes I write it André) I'm not sure about the latter, but I somehow think it must mean 'man'. I mean - by my screen name I'm a warrior, and by my real one - man, so it is "Man Warrior" together

Ya hey, the Man Warrior is here! :D

[HerenIstarion]

Good idea :)

I'm George, which in Greek stands for "earth-tiller"

The name is nor related to Order of Wizards at all, unless I do not rename myself to Barmudon (http://69.51.5.41/showpost.php?p=352790&postcount=8), thanks to davem's researches (Saruman and Sauron, why are the names similar? (http://69.51.5.41/showthread.php?t=11185) thread), he-he ;)

[The Ninth Valar]

Well, it was supposed to refer to Melkor, the ninth high Valar, but I forgot the name of that group (aratar? something like that) and put 'valar' instead. Ah well.

[HerenIstarion]

HoME V1, Ch.2 The Music of the Ainur, notes:

Manwe, Melko, Ulmo, and Aule are marked out as 'the four great ones', ultimately the great Valar, the Aratar, came to be numbered nine, but there was much shifting in the membership of the hierarchy before this was reached

[Carnimírië]

Well, my real name is Gabrielle which means "woman of God" so my name and screename together mean red-jewelled woman of God. My name looks better with those nifty accent-mark thingies: Gabríellë.

This is fun :D

Speaking of names, when I bought Unfinished Tales and found that Heren Istarion was in it I was astounded. "HerenIstarion from the Barrow Downs is in UT?"

[Elianna]

My screen name and real name together?

Elianna: Star-gift, starry-gift, gift of the stars

Elizabeth: Oath of God, consecrated to God.

Maybe a starry gift consecrated to God?

[Ireth Sirfalas]

i found my avatar at http://wenham.menofthewest.net/fan.html ;)

[rutslegolas]

Well my name is Rutwij - which means Old saint .

Well rutslegolas can mean " Old Legolas". It dose'nt sound too good does it ?? :(

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Well, Feanor of the Peredhil means Fiery Spirit of the Half-Elven.

Laura, my name, means laurel leaves, honour, fame, spirit. So I guess I could be the Honoured and Famous Fiery Spirit of the Half-Elven. Or if I go by Fea, as I usually do, I am reduced to... Spirit. Laura is spirit, Fea is spirit. I guess I'm just a spirited person. ;)

Fea

[Lhunardawen]

Interesting names, Fea!

Hmm...Lhunardawen means "the maiden of (the region of) Lune", and Abigail means "the father's delight." So I'm the maiden of Lune that delights my father?
Not bad, I guess...my father Beren did delight in me. :rolleyes:

[Mithalwen]

Well, also thanks to davem, I have discovered that the meaning of my real name rendered into Elvish is "Adanverieth" - typically it is even longer in Elvish than in the original! And Verieth sounds like Various with a lisp!!!!( must see if my middle and surnames are snappier! ).

[Moredhel]

mor-dark
edhel-elf

I s'pose it means the dark elf, but I am not referring to =the Avari, I'm referring to my hair. :rolleyes:

[Farmira]

Im not sure what farmira means... but it is taken from Faramir, he is one of my favorite characters...

My real name is Leighan, which means in anglo-saxon and old english " meadow"

[THE Ka]

Well, you can just ignore the title in bold :rolleyes: ... Anyway, If you are brushed up on your ancient egyptian culture and religion you will know what "Ka" means. If you know this, you can understand why i put "THE" in bold ;) .

Tell me when you give up... :)

[Mithalwen]

Oops, I htought it was something to do with the little Ford ! ;)

[Oceanic]

My screen name is inspired by my fascination of anything to do with the marine world.

My real name is Lewis, and I do not have a clue where that comes from or what it means, any ideas anyone?

[Elianna]

Oceanic: Lewis is a variation of Louis, old German for "reknown warrior". I thought your screenname would have something to do with all those South Pacific islands.

[AbercrombieOfRohan]

My name comes as a joke from one of my friends. Abercrombie is named after the store and of rohan is from gap of rohan. haha you get it? if youve read the very secret diaries it is explained in there.

[Encaitare]

My name comes as a joke from one of my friends. Abercrombie is named after the store and of rohan is from gap of rohan. haha you get it? if youve read the very secret diaries it is explained in there.

Heh heh... nice. What's next, I wonder? Old Navy of Rohan? :p

[THE Ka]

My screen name is inspired by my fascination of anything to do with the marine world.

My real name is Lewis, and I do not have a clue where that comes from or what it means, any ideas anyone?


Well, with a book on hand, i'll try to answer this...

Lewis
English Version of Louis (French)
Means:"Famous Warrior"...

Hope this helps...

~Reference Desk Ka~

[The Elf-warrior]

My real name is Samuel, which means "God has heard". The Elf-warrior is a nickname Sam Gamgee adopted after hearing Gorbag describing him as probably a large elf warrior. Samwise means "halfwise, simple".

[mark12_30]

It's called first and greatest; is found between Luke and Matthew; tells how to do what you do in spirit and truth.

[HerenIstarion]

Or, to be more concrete:

And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment

Which is not that easy as it sounds, alas

[Bêthberry]

Heh heh... nice. What's next, I wonder? Old Navy of Rohan? :p


Perhaps Old Navy of Numenor-Marcus. :D

(Sorry, Enca, I couldn't resist.)

[Durfuiniel]

My name is originally from one of these name generators but somehow I liked it and it really matches with me....
Dûrfuiniel means Daughter of dark night and I think it matches twice 'cause on one hand it's elvish (sindarin) and on the other hand it means daughter of dark night and I love the night and those fantasy night creatures as vampires etc...

[Amanaduial the archer]

Amanaduial means something odd like 'blessed maiden of the night': I looked it up some time ago but the translation didn't really make much sense... Aman, the shortened, more often used version, is 'blessed place' - the location found in the Silmarillion. But alright, I admit it: Amanaduial was the name I got when I typed my full name into the name generator. Shameful, isn't it? And when I type my full name in now, it is a completely different name that comes up.

To be fair though, Amanaduial the Archer was also the character I used in my very first RPG, a freestyle game called 'Rivendell', and Aman remain quite special to me. She was the start of a whole new era which now has me addicted and which has led to upwards of twenty games on a few different forums (the foremost, of course, being Barrowdowns). So, y'know, I suppose it works out as a worthy name - even if it was created in a moment of fangirl-madness :rolleyes:

[ohtatyaro]

'blessed maiden of the night' sounds good, I mean, even romantic :)

[King of the North]

Fingolfin was often known as the King of the North. He's my favorite Noldor King

[Formendacil]

Actually...

It's interesting that I find this thread right after King of the North, because it isn't that different from my own.

So, my name is Formendacil. Basically, this means North-Slayer, or North-victor, Conqueror of the North. It is in the good old tradition of Romendacil, Hyarmendacil, and Umbardacil (names taken by five of the kings of Gondor). It also seemed appropriate in light of the fact that I am a Canadian (hence, conquering the North is a big thing here...). Also, I like the sound of the other -dacils, and I wanted one that no one else was likely to have.

So type "Formendacil" into Google. Last I checked, I'm the only one you come up with. :D

[wilwarin538]

Well most of you probably know that wilwarin is quenya for butterfly. my name is Vanessa and that means butterfly, so wilwarin is like a direct elven translation of my name. The sindarin word is gwilwileth but I didn't like it as much. The 538 is just my lucky number. So I like to think of it as 538 butterflies, wouldn't that be pretty. ;)

~*Wilwa*~ (wilwa means "to flutter to and fro")

[Neithan]

Neithan is the name that Turin took when he was with the outlaws, it is translated as "the wronged". I chose it just because all of my first choices were taken (Telchar for example). Had I thought of it I would have picked Narvi, I like that better but whatever. My real name is Corey which was possibly either derived from the Old Norse given name Kori (of unknown meaning), or else meant "ravine" in Gaelic.

[Assasin]

mine means someone who kills people for a price basically. I tried to use lots of other names, but they were all taken, so I just decided, why not? All my friends say that my name sounds like a boy, but I'm not, I'm a girl. I've mostly only seen girls here, though.

[Encaitare]

I've mostly only seen girls here, though.

*looks around* Nope, still plenty of XY's here. Being female, I actually tend to assume that other members are female unless their names or manner of talking blatantly tells me otherwise. So maybe I see where you're coming from!

(From where you are coming? Bah. Must not end sentences in prepositions. Bad Enca.)

[Garen LiLorian]

'Fraid mine's not terribly Rings related, except in my own little mind.
Garen Le Lorian was a sixteenth century French knight, famous for saying "Had I one foot in paradise, I would withdraw it to fight a rightous battle" I liked that. Once I got here, the similarity to Lothlorien entered my mind, so now he's a whole character used for RPG such as this one (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showthread.php?t=5675)
Random association is fun!

[Sophia the Thunder Mistress]

Sophia the Thunder Mistress was a random name given to me by a friend in a fit of silliness. I approved of it and it stuck. Now I seem to be Sophia everywhere (or Sophe, Sophs, Sophedreams...). Not that I mind. I fancy her as a helper of Manwe's (I considered "Maia of Manwe" for a pt), even though her name's not in the right language.

My real life name is Sara, a name that far too many of us share. It means princess and could probably be best translated "Arwen" :rolleyes: I've also seen it translated "Aredhel", which is slightly better, though I'm not an elf. ;)

Sophia

[Encaitare]

My real life name is Sara, a name that far too many of us share. It means princess and could probably be best translated "Arwen"

Or aranel, if you want to go old school and make it Quenya. :smokin: <-- I just find that face amusing.

[Neurion]

'Fraid mine's not terribly Rings related, except in my own little mind.
Garen Le Lorian was a sixteenth century French knight, famous for saying "Had I one foot in paradise, I would withdraw it to fight a rightous battle" I liked that. Once I got here, the similarity to Lothlorien entered my mind, so now he's a whole character used for RPG such as this one (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showthread.php?t=5675)
Random association is fun!Cool. :cool:

[Neurion]

My screen-name is the Sindarin equivelant of my Christian name. Now see if you can figure out what it is.

[aelithes]

My screenname is rather nerdy, really. It's actually a word from my own constructed language - the nominative singular of the word for moon (pronounced EYE-thee-lace, with the th as in 'thick', not as in 'the'). I chose it simply because it's pretty (in my humble opinion!).

[aelithes]

Neurion, is your real name Jacob (meaning 'supplanter' or 'successor')??

[Ainaserkewen]

Well, you can just ignore the title in bold ... Anyway, If you are brushed up on your ancient egyptian culture and religion you will know what "Ka" means. If you know this, you can understand why i put "THE" in bold I was wondering if you were doing the Egyptian thing THE Ka, and I like saying your name in posts, THE Ka. Hehe, it's like The Cheat.
Ku, Ku, Ku!

My given name is Shannon. Feel special my fellow posters I don't reveal it to just any internet soul. It's the biggest River in Ireland and it means "Old One". My parents probably didn't know this, but I like it.

Ainaserkewen (Eye-Na-Serk-a-wen) from the name generator, means Maiden of the Holy Blood. I've always like the idea of being a kind of Merovingian when it came to heritage. I'm not, but I like to think I am.

[Neurion]

Neurion, is your real name Jacob (meaning 'supplanter' or 'successor')??Close. It's James, the anglicized version of Jaime, the spanish form of Jacob.

[THE Ka]

Okay, doing it the search engine way, is this The Cheat???


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v516/tasukuchan/Homestarrunner/TheCheat/TheCheat.jpg

...Who's trogdor? I keep seeing 'Trogdor' next to the fat little peep...


I don't like it. :confused:

~ Whirlwind mind ka~

[elronds_daughter]

Ka, go to www.homestarrunner.com and all your questions shall be answered, if you dig deep enough...

[THE Ka]

...Okay....

The Cheats...Well, I like his bust of Van Buren.

Mix me with a Marzipan and The Cheat and you'll come across a Ka.

They are... Interesting. I guess.


~ A new turn Ka~

[Soronumë]

My user name is a name of an constellation (according to Silma) but I dunno of which constellation. :S

[Encaitare]

Oh, how I love an excuse to do dorky research! It means "Eagle of the West"; according to the Encyclopedia of Arda (http://www.glyphweb.com/arda) article about it, it is possibly the constellation Aquila, the Eagle. Information on that hither (http://www.coldwater.k12.mi.us/lms/planetarium/myth/aquila.html).

[wilwarin538]

My user name is a name of an constellation (according to Silma) but I dunno of which constellation. :S

My screen name is also a constalation according to the Silm., Casseopeia (don't know if that's spelt right).

Well, you can just ignore the title in bold ... Anyway, If you are brushed up on your ancient egyptian culture and religion you will know what "Ka" means. If you know this, you can understand why i put "THE" in bold.

Ka I always thought that your name was from the movie " A fish called Wanda" (Monty Python), where the guy kept saying "the ka, the ka" but he couldn't say anything past that. I suppose I was mistaken.

~*Wilwa*~

[THE Ka]

My screen name is also a constalation according to the Silm., Casseopeia (don't know if that's spelt right).



Ka I always thought that your name was from the movie " A fish called Wanda" (Monty Python), where the guy kept saying "the ka, the ka" but he couldn't say anything past that. I suppose I was mistaken.

~*Wilwa*~

Oh I love that movie! :D

Another thing that caught me off guard was when on an episode of The Simsons, Moe says, " I think I left my Ka back there". It was the episode were Homer tries to get into the Guiness book of World records, by playing a banjo with a snake... Then he moves on to having the world's tallest human pyramid, (using all of springfield of course...) and then it falls down (Homer was on top...) and the whole town rolls into a gigantic ball and lands on a giant scale... They end up being the fattest town. Moe always has been my favorite...

[Soronumë]

Oh, how I love an excuse to do dorky research! It means "Eagle of the West"; according to the Encyclopedia of Arda (http://www.glyphweb.com/arda) article about it, it is possibly the constellation Aquila, the Eagle. Information on that hither (http://www.coldwater.k12.mi.us/lms/planetarium/myth/aquila.html).

Oh, I guess so then. :) Thanksie, Enca. ^^

[Gil-Galad]

...Okay....

The Cheats...Well, I like his bust of Van Buren.

Mix me with a Marzipan and The Cheat and you'll come across a Ka.

They are... Interesting. I guess.


~ A new turn Ka~


*pops head out of pile of hay and the 13th ghost memorabillia*

who said the cheat!, of course most of you know i'm an avid fan of homestarrunner, with my the cheat shirt and all...and my many the cheat, trogdor and strongbad pics... which has inspired me to make my own web-series(currently making a very special Silmarillion music video and own web-series)

[The Tennis Ball Kid]

Roughly translated it means I go around everywhere bouncing a Tennis Ball. :D

I can provide a more accurate translation if anyone desires. :D



ttbk

[Neithan]

of course most of you know i'm an avid fan of homestarrunner
Who isn't? Actually I am a huge Strongbad fan.

[Neurion]

Roughly translated it means I go around everywhere bouncing a Tennis Ball. :D

I can provide a more accurate translation if anyone desires. :D



ttbkROFL!! :D

[ohtatyaro]

Close. It's James, the anglicized version of Jaime, the spanish form of Jacob.

Thanks for info :). It's enlightening. I mean, I've got as far as translate it to 'second one', but could not progress past that

:)

[THE Ka]

*pops head out of pile of hay and the 13th ghost memorabillia*

who said the cheat!, of course most of you know i'm an avid fan of homestarrunner, with my the cheat shirt and all...and my many the cheat, trogdor and strongbad pics... which has inspired me to make my own web-series(currently making a very special Silmarillion music video and own web-series)

Okay, okay! Geez...

...You're making a silmarillion music...video? Dare I ask what song it is...*


~Remnants of Percy Brass Ka~

* ( This dare is protected by union rules of Ka's...)

[Legolas]

Please keep this thread on-topic.

[ohtatyaro]

'tis my only thread, I don't want it closed :)

So on topic - are there any meaning to name Legolas? I looked in the end of Silmarillion, but there are no entries

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

I think it means Greenleaf. From the Quenya laiqui(?) green and lassë leaf.

I think . . .

[ohtatyaro]

thanks :)

So Legolas is just Legolas Legolas or Greenleaf Greenleaf? Funny Funny, to think to think it was it was a nick a nick :D

[Ainaserkewen]

I'll bet that when Legolas was born (the character) his name had some kind of history or lineage. It wasn't just any old name out of a "What to name your baby book"

THE Ka, I must apologise for exposing you to this way of life. If you enjoyed your visit to the mythical, magical site of Homestarrunner.net, then I fear you are doomed to revisit and join the ranks of the weekly new-stuff bandits.

*someone whispers* "It's .com"

Oh, sorry...It's Dot Com! And it's Dot Amazing how many people are such loyal fans with only word-of-mouth publicity. They don't allow people to advertise publically.

Just curious, how many people would change their screen names if they got a chance to?

[Mithalwen]

[QUOTE=Ainaserkewen]I'll bet that when Legolas was born (the character) his name had some kind of history or lineage. It wasn't just any old name out of a "What to name your baby book"

QUOTE]


Legolas is a "reused" name albeit of a v. minor char in a then unpublished work sorry don't have HoME on me for refs. An alternative translation would be Sharp Ears (from laigo lhas) - which might be the nail in the coffin of the pointy ears debate ;) !

However Green Leaf is clearly the meaning intended since it is included in Galadriel's rhyme and clearly it reinforces Legolas's identity as an elf of the woodland realm, established partly in protest at the damaging effects of the Noldor and their culture. Thranduil's choice of this very simple "nature" name for his son could thus be seen as semi political. But maybe I am reading far to much into this :). Incidentally - I can't remember any other time apart from the rhyme where Legolas is referred to as "Legolas Greenleaf" in the books. I know it has been widely used in marketing bumph .......

[Ainaserkewen]

Thranduil's choice of this very simple "nature" name for his son could thus be seen as semi political. But maybe I am reading far to much into this That's the problem, Mithalwen, how far do you read into a name? We know about the choice of names of other tribes of elves, how they would have more than one with various deep reasons for each, but with Legolas or any Moriquendi, how do we know whether or not those names really are supposed to mean anything or just sound cool like how a lot of people name their kids today, without thought to how they relate to their bearer.

Names and their meanings or intentions by the author is a whole library of ideas that were never truly covered. But I suppose seeing as we can't ask the parents of characters nor the author that once again we are left to speculate.

[Formendacil]

Incidentally - I can't remember any other time apart from the rhyme where Legolas is referred to as "Legolas Greenleaf" in the books. I know it has been widely used in marketing bumph .......

To Legolas Greenleaf, long under tree,
In joy though hast lived, beware of the sea,
For if thou hearest the cry of the gull upon shore,
Then thy heart shall rest in the forest no more.

A most likely slightly inaccurate, by memory rendition of Galadriel's message sent to Legolas, via Gandalf, received in Fangorn.

[ohtatyaro]

There is another instance. Maybe there are some more, but I remember in Fangorn Gandalf calls Legolas greenleaf:

'No, no!' cried Gimli. 'Do as you please in your madness, but let me first get down from this horse! I wish to see no eyes!' 'Stay, Legolas Greenleaf!' said Gandalf. 'Do not go back into the wood, not yet! Now is not your time.'

[Celebuial]

Hi. I've just joined your forum so I thought I'd tell you that my name means Silver Twilight.

Oh, and how can you say that:

Legolas is a "reused" name albeit of a v. minor char in a then unpublished work sorry don't have HoME on me for refs. An alternative translation would be Sharp Ears (from laigo lhas) - which might be the nail in the coffin of the pointy ears debate !

Legolas (that is the first one) slayed a balrog during the fall of Gondolin! I don't think that you can call him minor. Well, he was slain himself, but seeing as only three balrog's have been slain and each of their slayers have been slain I don't see the problem!

I think I should stop using the word slain...

[ohtatyaro]

Legolas (that is the first one) slayed a balrog during the fall of Gondolin! I don't think that you can call him minor.

Um, was not it Echtelion who slew the balrog in Gondolin?

Besides, welcome :)

[Encaitare]

Yes, it was Ecthelion.

And welcome, Celebuial. :)

[Lucien Tindomiel]

Lucien is my take on a more modern version of Luthien. I love philology and I can help but wonder about Tolkien's meanings behind his words and names. Lucien being related to Lucifer and the Morning star (either Venus or Sirius) I put it with Tindomiel which was his word for the time just before dawn. Undomiel is his word for twilight, and I think also related to the star Sirius or Venus, as both are sometimes evening stars. TaDa!

[Thinlómien]

About Thinlómien:
thin = grey
lóm = echo
-ien = a feminine ending
I got my name from the barrow-downs name generator and it's so beautiful, that I use it...

And my real name, Hanni, is taken from the Finnish Orthodox calendar in the day I should have been born. The name Hanni comes from the greek name Athanasia, a feminine of Athanasios, which means "immortal". Athanasia was a saint.

[ohtatyaro]

It all sums up neatly:

Elvish name plus the real name meaning ends up in 'immortal grey echo'. Sounds good, I mean, really good

:)

[Encaitare]

I like how you derived your name, Lucien! It caught my eye at first because there's a character in the Sandman graphic novels named Lucien... :rolleyes:

[Mithalwen]

That's the problem, Mithalwen, how far do you read into a name? We know about the choice of names of other tribes of elves, how they would have more than one with various deep reasons for each, but with Legolas or any Moriquendi, how do we know whether or not those names really are supposed to mean anything or just sound cool like how a lot of people name their kids today, without thought to how they relate to their bearer.

.


Well in HoME there is rather contradictory information - some names were chosen just because they sounded nice, "Father" names were usually similar to the father's own name, but "mother" names usually had significance because Eldarin mothers had great insight into their children's characters. In addition many elves were known by names the had been given or gave themselves so we would need to know what sort of name Legolas was before we could draw conclusions....

[Legolas]

Um, was not it Echtelion who slew the balrog in Gondolin?

Yes, it was Ecthelion.

Ecthelion was the balrog slayer in the published Silmarillion. Legolas was a character in the 'Fall of Gondolin' in its earliest forms, found in the History of Middle Earth Volume II: The Book of Lost Tales 2. The Fall of Gondolin was one of Tolkien's first stories in Middle-earth. It was written in the 1910's, and experienced a lot of changes over the almost sixty years leading up to its publication.

[Linnahiril Tinnufinwen]

My first name, Linnahiril, means either "Lady of Song," or "Lady of Music", because I love music. It has always been an essential part of my life. My second name, Tinnufinwen, means "Night-haired maiden," refering merely to the fact that I have dark hair.

[wilwarin538]

It all sums up neatly:

Elvish name plus the real name meaning ends up in 'immortal grey echo'. Sounds good, I mean, really good

:)


Perhaps Thinlomien if/when you get offered a personal title you could use Immortal Grey Echo, it's very nice. ;)

[Celebuial]

Ok I did get it wrong before Legolas didn't slay the Balrog, but neither did Echelion. It was Glorfindel. Legolas led the rest of the people away because he was 'keen sighted'.

[ohtatyaro]

it is nice to see passionate Legolas supporter, just like myself (I mean, booky Legolas, not drooling over Orlando Bloom, that is). But in your passion you haste a bit and miss things your certainly know, sure :D. That is, in Gondolin (the town itself), Ecthelion slew Balrog. Glorfindel slew one too, but not in Gondolin per say, but on their, that is, fugitives, way out, and they both fell into some precipice. At that, both elves where also the slain - both died in battle too.

[Ainuosérë]

I made a rough translation of my name and got Ainuosérë which means God's peace.

[Ruoutorin]

Ok I did get it wrong before Legolas didn't slay the Balrog, but neither did Echelion. It was Glorfindel. Legolas led the rest of the people away because he was 'keen sighted'.
Both Ecthelion and Glorfindel slayed Balrogs. Ecthelion slayed Gothmog, Lord of the Balrogs in the fall of Gondolin and Glorfindel slayed a Belrog allowing Turor and Idril to escape with Earendil, also during the fall of Gondolin. :cool: Glorfindel was reimbodied and sent back to Middle Earth. So, although he didn't survive his battle with the Balrog, if you wanted to ask someone what it's like to kill a Balrog you could probably ask him (or Gandalf).

[Sett]

My name does not have any relevence to LOTR. *Stands in shame as rotton fruit gets thrown at me*. I use this name just about everywhere i go. I take it from Set the egyptian god. I add a 't' so that it makes it more original , Sett. I use it because my life is pretty chaotic at times so the god of chaos has relevence to my life.

[Ainuosérë]

cool, maybe i can help you out on that chaotic stuff.:D

[Beleg Cuthalion]

My name 'Beleg Cuthalion' means 'Mighty Strongbow'.

I bet some of you knew that already.

[Gil-Galad]

My name does not have any relevence to LOTR. *Stands in shame as rotton fruit gets thrown at me*. I use this name just about everywhere i go. I take it from Set the egyptian god. I add a 't' so that it makes it more original , Sett. I use it because my life is pretty chaotic at times so the god of chaos has relevence to my life.

then control the creatures with care...

[Encaitare]

I dig the reason for your name, Sett -- that would make you our second person with an Egyptian-inspired name, as far as I know, anyway. Set was definitely a chaotic sort of guy...

[elronds_daughter]

I dig the reason for your name, Sett -- that would make you our second person with an Egyptian-inspired name, as far as I know, anyway. Set was definitely a chaotic sort of guy...
The other being Ka, I assume.

I like all you people's names, if only because they're more creative than mine. Then again, that really doesn't take much....

[Thinlómien]

"Immortal grey echo"... :) (Never thought it like that; normally I don't consider my name meaning immortal...) I don't know does it sound like a miserable little loser, or beatiful and sad. :)

[Milady Revenwyn]

Mine doesn't really have a meaning.
I just coined Revenwyn as a character name for an RPG one day back in 2000 and it's stuck ever since.
The "Milady" part has been added somewhat recently by my adorable fiance. He has actually called me "Milady Revenwyn" to my face before, and I just giggled.

[Milord Aldagrim]

I got Aldagrim from the Barrowdowns hobbit name generator and the Milord because I'm engaged to the lovely Milady Revenwyn.

[Celebuial]

I thank both Ruoutorin and Ohtatyaro for correcting me! One does forget things at times. You're both right of course. And Ohtatyaro, although I am obviuosly a Legolas fan I can't deny that Orlando Bloom was nice to look at. He does seem to have tried his best(bless him!) but obviously some people have got a bit carried away- his acting certainly wasn't good enough to merit all this OBsession, but teenage girls need to occupy them selves some how. Maybe we should attempt to sit them all down untill they've all read LOTR and apologised for their foolishness?

Milady Revenwyn, why don't you invent a meaning for your name? Everyones name has a meaning and if you just made up your name why not make up a meaning?

[Gil-Galad]

or just do some reaseach and try to figure out a right meaning for it...

[Maeggaladiel]

Mine means "Maiden of Piercing Radiance." It's merely wishful thinking, mind you, but on the internet, nobody can tell the difference. Heh.

I dig the reason for your name, Sett -- that would make you our second person with an Egyptian-inspired name, as far as I know, anyway.

The other being Ka, I assume.

I had wondered if Ka had gotten her name from Egyptian mythology, too.

[Milady Revenwyn]

Milady Revenwyn, why don't you invent a meaning for your name? Everyones name has a meaning and if you just made up your name why not make up a meaning?

I didn't even think of that. Usually I choose character names that actually have meanings. But being as I coined Revenwyn in 2000 it would seem kinda odd to pile a meaning onto her name now. Plus I haven't a clue what it would mean. I do have an idea for women who come later in her family line to inherit the name as some sort of title, however.

[Formendacil]

I didn't even think of that. Usually I choose character names that actually have meanings. But being as I coined Revenwyn in 2000 it would seem kinda odd to pile a meaning onto her name now. Plus I haven't a clue what it would mean. I do have an idea for women who come later in her family line to inherit the name as some sort of title, however.

Well, *wyn would appear to be the same element as in the Old English name, Eowyn, where it denotes woman. Revenwyn therefore could be an Old English (or, in the context of Middle-earth, Rohirric) name. The element reven* could mean to re-ven (whatever "ven" means), or could be a shortening of revenge.

There we have it, "Revenge-woman" or possibly "Re-forwardgoing-woman" (assuming that ven is some sort of garbling of "van", as in "vanguard".

Please note, this is total humour. I am far from a philogist. VERY far....

[Milady Revenwyn]

I did intend it to be Rohirric-type. She is a warrior, but she doesn't fight for the sake of revenge. Thus I'm not quite sure the "Revenge-woman" fits for her.

[Milord Aldagrim]

Well, doesn't Revenwyn have black hair? And she is a warrior, death bringer, so could reven mean Raven? Raven-woman?

[Milady Revenwyn]

Ouch. You obviously don't know Revenwyn very well. And you're my fiance! :eek:

She's got reddish-blonde hair. If I created someone with black hair, I wouldn't say that I wanted a Rohirric-type name, would I?
Sorry I'm sounding harsh hon, I just thought that after I showed you all my drawings of her you'd know what she looked like...

[Elianna]

If you divide it up re-ven-wyn, then I get "delights in renewed hope." Re- from Latin meaning "again", -ven- is close to wen- from Old English/Rohirric meaning "hope", and -wyn from Old English/Rohirric meaning "joy, or delight" (not "woman," that's cyn or cene).

[Milady Revenwyn]

Oh wow... thanks... yeah that does sound like her quite a bit. Thanks for your help. However, they wouldn't use 're' part of it would they?

[Elianna]

Maybe it's influence from Westron/English?

[Emni Windrunner]

My name actually has nothing at all to do with Tolkien, although I've made amends for it elsewhere by using the handle Ancalime Erendis (Tar-Ancalime being the first reigning queen of Numenor and Erendis being her mother--and the two of them being pretty much the biggest femenazis on Arda).
Emni Windrunner came from a story I'm writing from a sub-created world (so it's kind of Tolkienesque). Her full name is Emnilia, and she earned the title Runner based on her fighting stance (she's a warrior's apprentice). Not very exciting, I'm afraid, but I liked the name enough to use it elsewhere...until I read Unfinished Tales , and then I found two names I liked better. Oh, well!

[ohtatyaro]

Emni Windrunner sounds pretty good. I mean, it is original as well, not jsut taken from Tolkien

So, welcome fellow warrior (ohtatyaro means warrior in quenya :D)

[Thinlómien]

I like Emni Windrunner too - it's a nice name.

(Ohtatyaro, you have a great signature :D )

[Halbarad]

Halbarad, a kinsman of Aragorn: Hal- I don't know the meaning of, and it is an uncommon word stem, unlike ara-. -Barad is tower, and Halbarad was a tall man (but so were the rest of the Dunedain). At any rate, Halbarad was the standard bearer of Aragorn in the Battle of the Pelennor Fields, and (presumably, since he led the Dunedain out of the north into Rohan) a leader of the Dunedain in Aragorn's absence. His eulogy described him as being 'dour-handed', which to me says that he was a mighty warrior, or a stern captain. His answer of the 'summons' of Aragorn (Aragorn's wish, not spoken word- see 'Passing of the Grey Company' ) bespeaks his foresight and wisdom. A loss to the Dunedain, but of course I'm biased. :)

[Elianna]

Hal- means tall.

[Annalaliath]

Mine means Gift of Laughter.... or Laughter Gift... which ever you want.... Anna=gift lalaith=laughter... but the problem is that i misspelled it.. so bleh!
Doom! doom! doom!

[Halbarad]

Tall tower. Makes sense. Thanks a lot.

[Memory of Trees]

Mine is completely in English and has no meaning. I have a meaning-less name... *sniff*

Not! It may not have meaning, but who wouldn't want to be something as ancient and beautiful as the Memory of Trees?

Or maybe all the trees are gone, and I am remembering them.

Or maybe it's from the Enya song... who can tell? I wasn't aware when I signed up that I wouldn't be able to change my user name! Ach...

That's okay. I sort of like my name anyway. :D

[Makar]

Makar is a Vala of War who was in the HoME, but never made it to the Sil. For a while he was pro-Melko, because evil is needed for conflict to take place.

[Elianna]

It may not have meaning, but who wouldn't want to be something as ancient and beautiful as the Memory of Trees?

Maybe you remember the Ents, the Tree-Herders?

[Parmawen]

I actually have a group of friends and we all call eachother by our designated Elvish names. I'm Parmawen (obviously) and it comes from Parma (meaning books) and wen (meaning maiden) =Book Maiden, since my nose is usually burried in a book, explaining why i'm so pale!

[Elianna]

I actually have a group of friends and we all call eachother by our designated Elvish names.
How lovely! What are your other friends' names?

[Dragon Reborn]

My name comes from Robert Jordan's Wheel of Time books. If any of you have read them you wold pick it up straight away. But I also love dragons and dragon creatures so I guess you could say I had a personal magnetism to the name anyway, and it is kind of like I have been reborn in the world of Tolkien with the whole forum identity business...and being in Tolkien's world.

Nobody else seems to have names from other books they've read I notice. Although I only really read through the posts on this last page...

[Parmawen]

How lovely! What are your other friends' names?

Aldawen....and Layowyn...(I think Aldawen is tree-maiden, not a clue about Layowyn). We got them from using that book by Ruth Noel (sp?) so I'm not sure if they're grammatically correct!

[THE Ka]

Mine is completely in English and has no meaning. I have a meaning-less name... *sniff*

Not! It may not have meaning, but who wouldn't want to be something as ancient and beautiful as the Memory of Trees?

Or maybe all the trees are gone, and I am remembering them.

Or maybe it's from the Enya song... who can tell? I wasn't aware when I signed up that I wouldn't be able to change my user name! Ach...

That's okay. I sort of like my name anyway. :D

Same here... Now i'm stuck with a title that is bound to put Eru in a tizzy...

Memory of Trees... Great name none the less!

Trees are awsome, and thus you are too...

~Ka

[Lathriel]

Lathriel is a name I made up for the only fanfiction I ever wrote. Its set in ME and Lathriel is a princess. I don't think the name has any eaning but I like the sound of the name.

As for my real name, in Quenya I believe it is Dur. That's what my name means anyway. So can you guess what my real name is?

[Elianna]

So can you guess what my real name is?
Melanie?

[Lathriel]

I'll give you a hint, it is Italian or greek and it means dark in Italian.In greek it means rich.
I probably should have told you before that my name is not from english origin.

[Elianna]

I give up. I've looked through a huge database of names, and Melanie is the only one there I gcan find that means "dark" in Italian.

Or maybe I'm just wrongly assuming you're a girl?

[THE Ka]

Male version: Adrian, Greek/Latin: rich, wealthy, dark one.

Female version: Adrienne, Greek/Latin: rich, wealthy, dark one.

You chose... They both mean the same thing...

~ Research Ka

[Lathriel]

Your really close Ka. So I've decided I will reveal my name.
Drumroll please...
My name is Adriana
So Elianna you were right with the fact that I am a girl. :)

[THE Ka]

Thankyou. I had a friend once named Adrian, and I remembered what it meant. Since I really didn't know your gender, I used both definitions.


~ Ka

[Elianna]

Dang it. I was close...sort of...kind of...maybe...if you use your imagination... :rolleyes:

[Elentari_Elbereth]

I've made a search, but I haven't found anything to match it exactly. I mean, there were topics like 'where you youget that nick", but this topic is meant to find out what does your nick mean

Mine is quenya for 'warrior' :)

All of you should know my name anyway,
Elentari = Elbereth's Quenya name (Star Queen)
And I've always loved Elbereth/Varda/Elentari. When I first read LotR I was intrigued and wanted to know who she was, and after the Silmarillion she became a favorite (one of many)

Ohtatyaro- I though the Quenya word "Ohtar" meant "Warrior" (like the mention of Ohtar in LotR) Correct me if I'm wrong :p Unless your name was a variation i don't know (I haven't studied too far in Quenya yet :( )

[mormegil]

Well my name obviously means "The Black Sword" I took it because Túrin is one of my favorite characters and I like the sound of Mormegil. However I wish I had capatilized the "m"

[Thurin Adanedhel]

Well, Turin is one of my favourite characters in ME, so I wanted to take one of his many names.

While in Nargothrond, he was called Adanedhel which is Man-Elf, because he had such resembalnce to an elf

Also while he was in Nargothrond, he wouldn't reveal his true name to Finduilas, so she named him Thurin, which is The Secret.

[Imrahil]

Imrahil for the Prince of Dol Amroth who fought at the Pelennor and marched with the host of Aragorn II Elessar. Personally, I loved the part in ROTK when Imrahil tells the heralds to change the call "The Lords of Gondor are come! Let all leave this land or yield them up!" from "The Lords of Gondor" to " The King Elessar."

[ohtatyaro]

Thanks for all your answers :)

Ohtatyaro- I though the Quenya word "Ohtar" meant "Warrior" (like the mention of Ohtar in LotR) Correct me if I'm wrong

I think we are both right. I mean, it is variation of the same stem, after all. I looked it up in Etymologies:

Q ohta war
Q tyaro doer, actor

ohta+tyaro=ohtatyaro | war+doer=wardoer~warrior

I mean, probably, ohtar is more like 'of war', with the same translation as 'war doer'

[zifnab]

I simply did the honorable thing and .... stole my screenname. It is not mine to explain, I will simply leave this quote from this 'zifnab' character. And let you ponder the yonder...


"'Don't meddle in the affairs of wizards,' he said in lofty tones, "for they are subtle and quick to anger.' A fellow sorcerer said that. Good at his job, knew alot about jewelry. Not bad at fireworks, either. Wasn't the snappy dresser Merlin was, though. Let's see, whats his name? Raist--no, that was the irritating young chap, kept hacking and spitting up blood all the time. Disgusting. The other's name was Gand-something or other..."