Clues'n'Letters

[HerenIstarion]

The following game (exact match was not found in the recesses of the quiz room, if there is such, please let know the moderator to incorporate current one into the old one) is a mix up of 'cryptic clues' and 'letters' games. It works as follows:

Sample:

Quiz: (E) Union of bloodlines, named 'hero' in the Hobbit, father of sequel's hero's 'true love'
Answer: Elrond (union of blood - Maia, Human, Elf drops, father of Arwen (hero of the sequel - Aragorn, 'named the hero':

Next quiz should start with D, than (i.e. the last latter of the previous quiz answer)
The person to answer should be able to explain all clues of the question, besides giving the answer to the quiz itself

So:

D

There were several of the name, humans and elves alike. The answer I'm after was the second among humans, wise to an extent, proud beyond measure, labelled 'heathen' by an 'emissary'.

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EDIT: the hard quote posted by Perky brought to my attention that the guidelines for giving hints and clues are not set. Therefore I edit this post to set the following additional rule:

If the quiz is not solved for ten days, the author should reveal its second letter. [i]Par example, if Elrond was not got for ten days, I would have been obliged to tell you that the word I were after started with El

end of EDIT

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[The Perky Ent]

Is the answer Denethor II ? There were three Denethors, the elf, human 1, and human 2. This is the second human named Denethor. He was wise, until he was overtaken by the palantir. He was so proud he underestimated his enemy, and I believe Gandalf called him a heathen?

I am so confused, but I'm having fun trying!

[HerenIstarion]

Your answer is correct :)

The next quiz should start with R. Take it over :)

cheers

[The Perky Ent]

Wait, why R? Is it the last letter of the answer? Anyways...I think I get it now...



R

Brought from the outlaw, bound to the friend of he who pours, bringer of the messenger, and bringer of the bringer of a small one's safety.


Have at it!

[Fingolfin II]

Radagast?

Brought from the outlaw- Not too sure about that one.
Bound to the friend of he who pours- Bound to Yavanna, who is Manwe's friend (Manwe controls the rains of Arda)?
Bringer of the messenger- Brought Gwaihir to Gandalf in Orthanc?
Bringer of the bringer of a small one's safety- Brought Gandalf who brought Gwaihir who saved Frodo and Sam from Mount Doom?

[The Perky Ent]

Sorry, but It's not Radagast. But if it helps, Radagast was my first choice for R, but I came up with a better one :D

[Evisse the Blue]

Roac comes to mind...
Bringer of messages would fit.

[The Saucepan Man]

Good game, HI. :)

Just a reminder, because it's an important aspect of this game:


The person to answer should be able to explain all clues of the question, besides giving the answer to the quiz itself (emphasis added)

Carry on ...

[HerenIstarion]

Thank you, SpM :)

May the answer be Roheryn - Aragorn's horse?

Brought from the outlaw - i.e. Roheryn was already Aragorn's horse at a time he was Strider, i.e. outlaw.
Bound to the friend of he who pours - m-m-m, hard one, that, Halbarad brought the horse, right? He probably was visiting Bree just like his chief, so 'he who pours' would be Barliman, pouring beer into their mugs or something.
Bringer of the messanger - Roheryn brought Halbarad, who was a messanger?
Bringer fo the Bringer etc... Roheryn brought Aragorn, who brought Merry's (small one) safety - when he healed him

Far-fetched, I surmise, but worth a try nevertheless :)

[The Perky Ent]

Sorry, but that's wrong. Fingolfin II's second and last guess were pretty close, though...

[HerenIstarion]

mm-m-m, hard one, that, Perky, you know it.

May it be a Ring (Ruling Ring, Ring of Power)

Brought from the outlaw - brought from Gollum, who, being yet a Smeagol, was outlawed by his family.
Bound to the friend of he who pours - he who pours would be Morgoth here - that is, who pours (or used to) his power into the very matter of the world. The Ring is bound to 'his friend' - Sauron
Bringer of the messanger - by implication, the Ring brought Sauron's messanger to Dain Ironfoot.
Bringer of the Bringer etc... The ring brought its bringer (Frodo) adn its another bringer (Gollum) to Mount Doom, where Gollum's actions brough small one's (Frodo again) safety - not physically, but on spiritual level - releasing him from the Ring itself

:eek: ?

[The Perky Ent]

I'm gonna like saying this :p


Not...Even...Close!

[HerenIstarion]

Pity...

Frightened by the hardness of your question, I've set rules for hinting (see the initial post up there). All I have to do is to wait another week and get the second letter to lighten my task, unless someone gets it before :rolleyes:

I'll keep trying though...

[piosenniel]

I had clues all worked out for 'Rings of Power', too, HI.

They seemed so logical . . . now I'm glad you beat me to it and took the bullet for this guess . . .

;)

~*~ Pio

[Evisse the Blue]

I do believe I got it... Is it Rian?

brought from the outlaw - she was Belagund's daughter, who was an outlaw,

bound to the friend of him who pours - I don't quite know the meaning of this but I suppose it's a reference to her being the mother of Tuor who was a protege of 'he who pours' = Ulmo

bringer of the bringer of a small one's safety - of her was born Earendil, whose light was captured in the phial of Galadriel who was responsible of Frodo's safety in Mordor.

EDIT: eek! I forgot 'bringer of the messages'. I have no idea, in fact she was the one waiting for messages, not delivering them...

[The Perky Ent]

Correct! You got it, clever Evisse! Your go! It's N now :D

[Evisse the Blue]

Thank you!
So, N_____

Sought love but was rewarded peace,
And quiet murmurs by the trees

(This one's so difficult, I may have to offer a second letter... :D)

[HerenIstarion]

Sounds a bit like Nimrodel

She sleeps peacefully under threes of Lorien?

[Evisse the Blue]

But of course, HI! Allez-vous!

[HerenIstarion]

merci, mademoiselle. So, behold and be awestruck by the next one:

The place I'm after was wide and empty. Once it was to the East of the green plain, to the North of the place were eldest son and his riders have taken their guard. Before that, the former eldest son was rescued by another eldest son.

[NightKnight]

It can't be Lothlann, can it?

[HerenIstarion]

It certainly can be. Just would you be a kind knight and explain your guess too? :)

[NightKnight]

Ok then:

The place I'm after was wide and empty. - It was a plain.
Once it was to the East of the green plain, (Ard-galen) to the North of the place were eldest son and his riders have taken their guard. (Himring)
Before that, the former eldest son was rescued by another eldest son. - Maedhros being rescued by Fingon?

[HerenIstarion]

Besides being, as you correctly noted, a plain, the name literally means 'wide and empty' too :D


Now it is all yours :)

[NightKnight]

Ok, this starts with an N:

Married to the greatest, and the only one he would listen to. Gave birth to the Fair, and to the proudest, and the one who was uniting. Fate is unknown...

[HerenIstarion]

Nerdanel

Married to the greatest - wife of Fëanor, allegedly greates elf in history
the only one he would listen to - self-explanatory :)
Gave birth to the Fair - mother of Celegorm the fair
and to the proudest - mother of Caranthir the dark
and the one who was uniting - Maedhros who formed Union of, yes, again Maedhros
Fate is unknown...

[NightKnight]

Absolutely. And it took you a full...9 minutes! *Sigh* Go ahead, your turn. :)

[HerenIstarion]

I was lucky

So, we are back on L, it seems:

Laughther of the Steadfast, who was the vassal of the Valiant, and Elfsheen. Laughter short, which ended very soon.

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Laughther of the Steadfast, who was the vassal of the Valiant, and Elfsheen: Lalaith was the daughter of Húrin, vassal of Fingon, and Morwen Eledhwen.

Laughter short, which ended very soon: She died very young, due to the Evil Breath.

[HerenIstarion]

Yes, Sir!

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

S

Left the path, refused a gift many times offered, blown away in the end.

And I don't mean explosives. :)

[The Saucepan Man]

Oh well. No matter.

Is it Saruman?

Left the path: He did not stick to the mission of the Istari but sought power for himself.

Refused a gift many times offered: He was offerered an opportunity to repent on a number of occasions, but refused.

Blown away in the end: The cloud that rose from his fallen body was blown away by a wind from the West.

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Oh, do forgive me, O moderator! For in the troubles of my mind I recalled not the rules of this thread!
That's what you get for skipping Physics to stay in the Downs.
Silence!

Oh, well! I guess you could take the H bit.
Or he should take the N, 'coz that's what he answered.
O! What vileness have I wrought!

[The Saucepan Man]

Assuming as much ...

.. the next letter is N and the clue is:

Bound to the emblem of the horse
Hailed the black ones
Discovered the chronicler

Have at it! :)

[The Saucepan Man]

Erm, I said have at it! :rolleyes:

[NightKnight]

Numenoreans?

Bound to Rohan, some turned evil, and uhm... Wasn't it a gondorian that wrote the end of the Red Book?

[The Saucepan Man]

No. That's not the one that I'm looking for.

[HerenIstarion]

Still two days to go till SpM is obliged to give us another hint, but, if nobody objects, would he mind revealing second letter now? I'm clueless, I should confess...

[The Saucepan Man]

I would prefer to give a further clue, if that's OK. So here it is:

Said to help sometimes in gaining entry.

:smokin:

[The Saucepan Man]

10 days already? How time flies.

OK, the next letter is 'O'.

Here's all the clues for ease of reference:

NO

Bound to the emblem of the horse
Hailed the black ones
Discovered the chronicler
Said to help sometimes in gaining entry

Another clue: the last one's cryptic (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=73530&postcount=7).

Any takers now?

[The Saucepan Man]

Well, I'm not giving another letter since that would give it away. And that, in a sense, is another clue.

[arcticstorm]

Nob?
worked at the prancing pony
"nob, he came and told me that two black men were at the door"--butterbur

a doorknob is used to open a door

[The Saucepan Man]

You are most correct, arcticstorm. Well done. :)

The chronicler in question was Merry, whom Nob found after shouting at the black figures stooping over him. The other clues you got spot on.

The thread is yours ...

[arcticstorm]

B
This name is shared by man and beast, he chose the place of his abuse after being released at the black chasm

[HerenIstarion]

Bill the Pony, I suppose?

[arcticstorm]

quite correct HerenIstarion

[HerenIstarion]

Thanks

L is the next.

Give me, please, the name of the one who made many refuse, father of the first of the three of the same name

[Turambar]

Lenwë?

He was the leader of the Nandor, part of the Avari ("refusers") who abandoned the Great Journey, and the father of Denethor, after whom two Edain were named.

[HerenIstarion]

Indeed :) As I can't recall no names starting with ë, I suggest you offer us a next test with a capital e

cheers

[Turambar]

E:

His lineage was questioned by some, though he sounds like one who rode an elf-coach.

HINT: Gondor

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Eldacar?

[Turambar]

Correct - good job. http://forum.barrowdowns.com/ubb/icons/icon14.gif

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Between the seer and hearer, the taker of the repented, found in the longest.

HINT: Wait for it. :p

[NightKnight]

Rauros!

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Your thread, NK. :)

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Herr NightKnight von Schweden, wo sind Sie jetzt?

[NightKnight]

Ich bin nicht hier, nicht viel, so jemand anderes sollen fortschreiten...

In English: Anyone can have it.

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

In the twilight, Ainu-educated, with slumbering desire for the Sea.

[Sophia the Thunder Mistress]

Elwe Singollo?

In the twilight: leader of the Sindar- elves of the twilight
Ainu-educated: learned from Melian, his wife
Slumbering desire for the sea: Even though he had sea longings, he never sailed, finding enough of Valinor in the presence of Melian.

[edit] Since he's also Elu Thingol and that still begins with E I suppose I ought to include it. ;)

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

The answer begins in S, which was the last letter of the previous puzzle.

But Elwë Singollo is eerily close. In fact, I think the correct answer is in your post somewhere.

Anywhen, welcome back!

[Sophia the Thunder Mistress]

How could I be so silly :rolleyes: .

Well then, let me modify my answer to Sindar , for mostly the same reasons as above.

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Take the thread, Thunder Mistress! :)

[Sophia the Thunder Mistress]

Lone blossom, love struck and erratically following.

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Lone blossom: Last blossom of Telperion.
Love struck: Loves Arien, Maia of the Sun.
Erratically following: Erratically follows Arien, so sometimes they show up together.

[Sophia the Thunder Mistress]

Very nice, O quick one! You may proceed.

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

The black, the mightiest, the fallen (literally).

I daresay, this one's quite a piece of lembas. :smokin:

[Nuranar]

Ancalagon:

Surnamed "the Black,"
Mightiest of the dragon-host,
Fell "upon the towers of Thangorodrim, and they were broken in his ruin."

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

The thread is thine, fellow "Fall of the North" player!

[Nuranar]

Dearly-held payment, sheen of starlight, great in size.

*yawn* It's too late to be witty. :o

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

. . . Thingol rewarded [the Dwarves for their aid] with many fair pearls . . . One there was as great as a dove's egg., and its sheen was as starlight on the foam of the sea; Nimphelos it was named, and the chieftain of the Dwarves of Belegost prized it above a mountain of wealth.
TS 10

[Nuranar]

Your go!

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

The taunter with broken teeth and broken neck.

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Anyone? Anybody at all?

[Nuranar]

Any one at all? ;)

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

He was an Elf.

OK, that was three clues.

[Sophia the Thunder Mistress]

Saeros, it is!

Now one there was in Doriath, of the people of the Nandor, high in the counsels of the King; Saeros was his name. . . [H]e taunted him. . .Then Turin in great anger took up a drinking-vessel, and cast it at Saeros; and he was grievously hurt (perhaps broken teeth?).

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Then Saeros fleeing in terror before him fell into the chasm of a stream, and his body was broken (body including neck?) on a great rock in the water. -From the Tale of Turin Turambar, modifications by, of course, yours truly.

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

. . . could be found in Narn i Hîn Húrin, in the Unfinished Tales.

Nonetheless, you are correct! :)

[Sophia the Thunder Mistress]

My copy of UT is at my parents house. A serious impediment for me.

Divider of the Great who eases the crossing and must be well protected.

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Sirion?

Divider of the Great: It divided Beleriand (the Great Land of the First Age of the Sun) in two?

Eases the crossing: Errrrrrrrr . . . :confused:

Must be well protected: In it is one of passes through Beleriand that Morgoth wanted to take, so it was well protected--until Bragollach, that is.

[Sophia the Thunder Mistress]

Nope. :D

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Clues? :confused: :confused: :confused:

[Sophia the Thunder Mistress]

Alright, what I am looking for does (this time ;)) begin with an S, however, it is the lesser known name of the thing in question. And I don't think I'm overstepping by saying it is a Geographical Feature.

Can't tell you much more without blowing it.

:smokin:

[Firefoot]

Ship of Long Foam (Otherwise known as Cair Andros)?

Divider of the Great: Splits the Anduin.

Eases the Crossing: Um, I suppose it would make crossing the Anduin easier since it would be two narrower rivers rather than one wide one...

Must be well protected: It was guarded against the forces of Mordor by Gondorian soldiers, though the defenses were breached due to not enough men.

[Sophia the Thunder Mistress]

Bravo, bravo.

[Firefoot]

;) Let's see...

The truth-speaker is sung of by the jester, yet feared by friend and foe alike.

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Malbeth?

[Firefoot]

Nope.

[Firefoot]

Anyone?

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Just a wild guess.

If wrong, hints?

[Firefoot]

Nope.

The jester was named so in jest, and no where near where the solution is mentioned.

The third part (feared by friends and foes) comes from a specific instance in the text.

[Evisse the Blue]

The truth-speaker is sung of by the jester, yet feared by friend and foe alike.
Aren't there two people? :confused:
The jester = Sam?
The truth speaker = Gandalf? (when he lamented him in Lorien).

[Firefoot]

My apologies - I forgot to say which one I meant! I'm looking for "the truth-speaker... who is feared by friends and foes alike."

Sam is correct; Gandalf is not.

[Evisse the Blue]

Just a question: It has to begin with an M, right?

...Mithrandir?

[Firefoot]

No, it's not Mithrandir.

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

It has to begin with an M, right? (Evisse)
Now you tell me. :rolleyes: :o :D

Nice going, birdbrain, with the Saruman bit.

You don't have to remind me.

[Evisse the Blue]

Gee, I have it! Mumakil. :D

That was a good one!

[Firefoot]

Aye, that's the one!

Your turn, Evisse.

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Evisse?

[Evisse the Blue]

Being endowed with a high power,
But helpless to the hands of fate,
Enriched the lore,
Awakened hate,
Was granted love in final hour.

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Lúthien?

Being endowed with a high power
She is half-Ainu.

But helpless to the hands of fate
Tied to Beren.

Enriched the lore
Uh . . .

Awakened hate
Awakened the Oath of Fëanor through the Quest of the Silmaril, which was done for her.

Was granted love in final hour.
She died and rescued Beren before he was sent away.

[Evisse the Blue]

Luthien it is! Your turn! :)



Enriched the lore
Uh . . .

Lay of Leithian ;)

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Wow. So cool. :D

~*~

N

A Lover of lore,
The Son of Star-foam
Ceded the Sceptre.

[Envinyatar]

A Lover of lore:

Nólimon -- means most learned; surname given to Vardamir, Elros' son

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Son of Star-foam:

Elros means Star-foam

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Ceded the Sceptre:

Vardamir Nólimon was very old when Elros died, and he passed the Sceptre of Númenor immediately on to his son, Tar-Amandil

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So my answer would be Nólimon since it needs to begin with the letter 'N'.

- E -

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

It is Nólimon.

Your turn. :)

[Envinyatar]

Stone master / Aperture adept

A silver-fisted friend, indeed

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

The Dwarf who made the West-Gate of Moria, and friend of Celebrimbor?

[Envinyatar]

'Tis so . . . continue on!

- E -

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

It came from the South.
Of unknown origin.
Given to the Wise.

[NightKnight]

Incanus, a name for Gandalf?

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

:)

[NightKnight]

Red as blood, a token of death of the betrayed.

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Seregon?

[NightKnight]

Yups. Your turn. :)

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

It's sharp, it's protected, and it's surrounded by water.

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

It took me a while to recall my answer.

Anyone?

[Evisse the Blue]

....Numenor?

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Sorry, no.

Although you're on the right track. It's a place.

[Evisse the Blue]

As for the riddle, the Naith of Lorien? Naith means 'sharp'. Lorien was protected by Galadriel's Ring, and surrounded by Nimrodel, Celebrant and Anduin.

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Your turn. :)

[Evisse the Blue]

Thankies!

H

Hateful hands built a shrine to death
which still claims lives.
All withers in its wake.

[The Perky Ent]

Does Evisse still come on? He hasn't been on for like a week, so I don't wanna do the 10 day rule on this thread if he is gonna be able to post hints. Fun game

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Hells of Iron?

[Evisse the Blue]

I can't remember from 5 years ago :[ :P

But your guess seems good Nilp, so please give us the next one

[Evisse the Blue]

OK, I might be a bit silly in expecting Nilp to check in a thread that's been abandoned for years, so I'm going to try and revive it:

Remember, the last letter of the previous answer is to be the first letter of the word.

In this case, H:


Cast away
But not left astray.
Silvery sheen
No more shall sing.