The Midsummer Maulings (WW5)

[Mithalwen]

*cue Danse Macabre by Camille Saint Saens*

It had been a wild night for mid summer in the small but absurdly picturesque village of Midsomer Mawlin. Flash floods had cut the village off from the outside world, but even before the hamlet had seemed isolated in time and space. Each of it's tiny population lived alone in their exquisite dwellings and most were a bit vague about their earlier lives. They were an odd assortment among whom, Mithalwen might have seemed one of the most normal.

An elderly lady, habitually dressed in grey, she had retired to the village for a quieter life. She was loath to go into details but when questioned she would mention that she had an unfortunate knack of being around when unfortunate events occured. It weas rumoured that her last village, St Mary Mead, had a death rate which made an abbatoir seem bloodless and even when the old lady went on holiday, Death would be her travelling companion. "Really it was mot unfortunate," she had said, "so I decided to get right away".

So she had lived quietly but observantly in Midsomer Mawlin until last night. There had been a full moon - not that there had been much chance to see it through the rain clouds - and some of the villagers woke to find they had changed.

But Mithalwen did not wake at all.

As the afternoon wore on the villagers realised that the lace curtains of Nemesia Cottage had not twitched all day. Neither had the old lady been seen tending her garden (which like all the others in teh garden had survived the ravages of the storm remarkably well..), nor had she been met walking in the village always speaking with perfect politeness but her meat cleaver mind not missing a detail of what was going on.

Gradually the villagers decided that they should "check on the old girl" and tentatively made their way up the path. The door swung open and the villagers trooped in, packing in to the tiny dwelling behind the leaders who had stopped dead on reaching the parlour.

The body of Mithalwen was seated at the desk. A noose was about her neck, a knife was protruding from her back and a cup of tea had been knocked over.


"Ooo she's dead" said someone, "Maybe she drowned in the flood" said someone at the back. Everyone at the front turned round and stared at that Unfortunate.

"Holy Mackerel" said Gil-Galad who lived in Wayne Manor at the edge of the village. He was fantastically rich and therefor his strange garb was tolerated. Only the very wealthy could wear their underpants outside their trousers and not be bled for the simples.....

"Eeeeeet eeeees my opinion that Meeeeeeeeess Mithalwen has been meurdered" said Durelin who was more conventionally dressed in a raincoat and homburg hat.

Holbytlass also wore a raincoat, but it was shabby and she only muttered about something that had happened to her niece's brother in law.

Firefoot, a glamorous blonde dressed in scarlet said she hadn't a clue who could have wanted to kill the old lady. While Feanor of the Peredhil eyes darted around the room assessing the situation. The woman had penetrating eyes and refined carriage --- that polished air of resilient nobility. She seemed to carry her blessings with a grace and humility.


" Mithalwen's been Murthered" went up the cry, all the villagers being temporarily afflicted by a speech impediment.

"Stabbed" said some, " Hanged" said others. "Both" said a few, hedging their bets ..
"I think you will find " said mormegil, a girl with bushy brown hair and slightly prominent front teeth, who despite her youth was renowned for her fierce intelligence and not suffering fools gladly.. "that she has been poisoned" she sniffed the contents of the teacup. There is no blood coming from the wound and no marks on her neck....- I studied potions - I mean chemistry at school "she added when she realised that maybe this was not the moment to show off knowledge.

" That seems like overkill" said the same person who had suggested drowning.

They got stared at again.

"It does seem rather excessive" Said Orominuialwen, an aristocratic figure, all nerves and nose, who was examining the documents on Mithalwen's desk through her monocle. A slightly foppish air belied a great deal of learning. But this does not seem to be an ordinary crime."

The Guy who would be Short had padded off to investigate the kitchen - a tall, hirsute figure he was perpetually hungry and he reasoned that Mithalwen would no longer need the contents of her larder. He returned in time to hear that the old lady had been poisoned and hunger fought with a quite justified suspicion of any foodstuffs in the house.

All the villagers crowded around the desk. The documents concerned astronomy and the history of lycanthropy. It was clear from her notes that Mithalwen had anticipated the strange events to which she had become a victim. there were werewolves among them and it was certain they would strike again.

Everyone started to eye each other suspiciously.

The population had been reduced to thirteen. A singularly inauspicious number.

Other villagers

Kitanna, a straight talking former bounty hunter and hot-dog saleswoman from overseas.

Kath

Oddwen

Sophia the Thunder Mistress

Nilpaurion Felagund


Day ends at 7.15 pm BST tomorrow unless seven of you agree before then. Once seven agree the decision is made and no vote may be retracted. If there is a tie a villager will be selected to die at random.

[the guy who be short]

Poor Mith. She will be missed. Justice must be done!

Now, then, here are all the villagefolk:

Holbytlass
Mormegil
The guy who be short
Kath
Gil-Galad
Orominuialwen
Firefoot
Durelin
Kitanna
Oddwen
Sophia the Thunder Mistress
Nilpaurion Felagund
Feanor of the Peredhil

I am obviously innocent. Anyway, my handy pocket abacus declares the following to be werewolves:

Sophia the Thunder Mistress
Oddwen
Nilpaurion Felagund.

Convince me of your innocence...

[Mithalwen]

ALL NON GAMEPLAY COMMENTS SHOULD BE IN THE NOTICEBOARD THREAD

I had not forgotten I was in the throes of editing.

[mormegil]

TGWBS for shame...going off to eat and only thinking of you stomache at a time like this. What didn't get enough to eat last night?

[Firefoot]

How horrible... not just dead but stabbed and hanged and poisoned! Must have been painful, those treacherous wolves. Who would do such a thing?

Now that Mormegil... he's a pretty shady guy. And Gil-Galad, there's a right odd type of character. But murderers and wolves? I don't know... there's mysterious things going on here, no doubt about that, and I intend to see justice done.

[Holbytlass]

This is most puzzling. And a sad moment for Mithalwen, same thing did happen to my neice's brother-in-law, only he was more hanged than poisoned.
I appreciate your abacus in not accusing me, the Guy Who Be Short, sir. But I shall step out for a smoke and to think. Good day to you all, but not for Mithalwen.
One thing more, TGWBS, sir, unfortunately, it is only obvious to you that you are innocent.

[Kitanna]

Oh poor Mithalwen. I always liked her.

And now down to business. We need to find the real werewolves or be held responsible for the deaths of innocents.

[Kath]

Poor Mithalwen, died so confusingly, she will be sadly missed. But as to who it was that killed her? That's a puzzle and no mistake.

Already there is suspicion in the village with vague accusations and demands for proof of innocence. But I think I will wait until everyone has arrived before making any of my own.

[mormegil]

Of course we need to examine every individual and look for suspicious activity and voting patterns and habits. However the major problem of the day is limited information. There is no history to track or voting patterns to go by. It's sadly a shot in the dark.

[the guy who be short]

TGWBS for shame...going off to eat and only thinking of you stomache at a time like this. What didn't get enough to eat last night?
Can one ever be said to have enough to eat, mormegil? Food simply exists; I don't know about getting enough of it. Enough for what anyway?
In conclusion, no i didn't get enough to eat. I only had five hamburgers and three sandwiches.

Where was I? Ah, yes, replying to people.

I appreciate your abacus in not accusing me, the Guy Who Be Short, sir. But I shall step out for a smoke and to think. Good day to you all, but not for Mithalwen.
The Abacus works in mysterious ways, my dear. Perhaps, discreetly, It does accuse you. I can go only by what the Abacus reveals to me.
In any case, I don't think we can really claim it wasn't a good day for Mithalwen. Surely she's happily in heaven now as a result of today's events?
Unless you don't want people to go to Heaven! For you are on The Dark Side! Wolf! Wolf!

Was that a little rash of me? :rolleyes:

One thing more, TGWBS, sir, unfortunately, it is only obvious to you that you are innocent.
Here I must agree with you, oh lass of Holbytish origin. But mayhap the Seer hath dreamt of me, though the odds are as low as something reasonably low.

Remember, friends, that three of us are in league, and yet two oppose them also. We must be careful not to mistake an alliance, for doing so could be fatal to our survival.

Myself? I will say, i am neither Lycanthrope, nor Hunter, nor Guardian, nor Seer, nor Shape-changey-whatyamacallit. Though my evidence is slightly slim.

Talking of slim, I feel hungry.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

I must say... What a horrible time to move to this village, and on such short notice... Mithalwen dead, and with such um... certainty. I mean... if the noose hadn't gotten her, the poison would have, and if that failed, the knife?

In any case, I am here. Let the accusing and backstabbing begin (the pun, of course, being the entire reason for the comment).

For you are on The Dark Side! Wolf! Wolf!

Was that a little rash of me? :rolleyes:
Just a wee bit, m'boy.

[Gil-Galad]

Aye, poor Mithalwen...i guess i'll be paying for her funeral...who knows who will be next...

[Holbytlass]

For you are on The Dark Side! Wolf! Wolf!
No, sir, the only thing I like on the dark side is chocolate. Maybe the abacus 'discreetly' tells you, TGWBSDoo, that you are on the dark side but then you would already know.

Some questions....Now I took chemistry awhile back and I recall not having studied poisons. Perhaps, things are different now. Hermiormegil, perhaps you could tell us if you smelled something untea-like. You seem to have much knowledge in this area, surprisingly for one so young, but maybe it is because I'm so old.

And maybe there was no blood on Miss Marpalwen from the knife wound because Miss Firelet's dress soaked it up. It was afterall scarlet in color if I remember correctly.

Anyway, much to think about....

Edit: and why would you pay for her funeral, Gil-Batlad? She was as wealthy as you or near enough. Is it guilty conciounce(sp?)?

[mormegil]

Some questions....Now I took chemistry awhile back and I recall not having studied poisons. Perhaps, things are different now. Hermiormegil, perhaps you could tell us if you smelled something untea-like. You seem to have much knowledge in this area, surprisingly for one so young, but maybe it is because I'm so old.


Well you see with my particular professor I really must learn something of poisons now don't I?

However, you intricate knowledge of people character is a bit disconcerting to me. You seem to know many of us too well for my liking. As if you know who's guilty and who's innocent.

Edit: and why would you pay for her funeral, Gil-Batlad? She was as wealthy as you or near enough. Is it guilty conciounce(sp?)?

Agreed Mr Gil-man. Do you feel a twinge of guilt upon that canine conscience of yours? (if you are capable of feeling guilt)

[the guy who be short]

I believe he meant he would pay with his life. And that does indeed seem to belie a guilty conscience... could The Abacus have misguided me?

And maybe there was no blood on Miss Marpalwen from the knife wound because Miss Firelet's dress soaked it up. It was afterall scarlet in color if I remember correctly.Allow me to comprehend this fully. You believe Firefoot killed Mithalwen... then popped off home, brought along a dress, and soaked it in Mithalwen's blood? All the while managing to make no stains? And to have the dress dried by morning? And not smelling, if I recall correctly, of anything but mild elderberries? incredible feats indeed...

No, sir, the only thing I like on the dark side is chocolate. Maybe the abacus 'discreetly' tells you, TGWBSDoo, that you are on the dark side but then you would already know.Chocolate? How unhealthy it is to indulge yourself such... and if you are willing to indulge yourself in expensive chocolate, who can vouch that you would not be willing to indulge your hunger with a far more expensive life?

Actually, I'd like some chocolate too. *rummages off to find food*

[Gil-Galad]

I feel as my civil duty to the village, besides her wealthy empire is crumbling down, my condolences more or less... i will use my great detective mind to figure this out...all i need now is a boy-wonder to join me in the bat-cave...

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

You know, Gil... your alter-ego unnerves me... I would hate to find out that your bat-guise was actually a vampire in cahoots with the werewolves.

TGWBS, to expand on my previous comments of your post:

Myself? I will say, I am neither Lycanthrope, nor Hunter, nor Guardian, nor Seer, nor Shape-changey-whatyamacallit. Though my evidence is slightly slim. Your evidence is slim indeed, as it's only your own word, but I will take it at face value if you will see that I am also not Hunter, nor Ranger, nor Seer, nor um... that guy. I cannot guarantee my non-wolfishness, because howling laughter and wolfish grins are my forte. ;) No... ignore me. I guess I just have a bad sense of humor.

Agreed Mr Gil-man. Do you feel a twinge of guilt upon that canine conscience of yours? (if you are capable of feeling guilt)Morm, that's an early accusation. I'm assuming you've got ulterior motives?

[Gil-Galad]

I agree with Fea there...getting ahead of yourself it seems yes...

[the guy who be short]

Oh, come now Fea. Accusations must be made. Gil-Galad will surely fend them off with humour or pointy sticks as is his wont.

I still look forward to hearing from:
Sophia the Thunder Mistress
Oddwen
Nilpaurion Felagund.

Though of course, other "loudmouths" are now under suspicion...

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Oh, come now Fea. Accusations must be made. Gil-Galad will surely fend them off with humour or pointy sticks as is his wont.
Just as Morm will surely fend them off with "Duh. It's day one. It's not like I've got anyone better to accuse." ;) Or perhaps some nice Latin with a wee bit of swish and/or flick.

Though of course, other "loudmouths" are now under suspicion...
Ah, suspicion. My life force... with it absent from my life... with the common idea that I am pure and innocent as the wind driven snow, I cannot go on. I thrive on suspicion. What would be life without random people wrongly accusing me of things I did not do?

[Gil-Galad]

Holy Twiddly-winks people! we shouldn't be going around accusing and defending ourself, we must all come together and figure this out, us spreading out in this strange time is not needed! I'm not sure who it is, i don't know if it is the beautiful Fea, or it could be Mormegil and all his sneaking around last night, i don't know, i'm not a doctor, i'm a rich guy, rich people get by life by buying stuff! none of this science or stuff...wait i do know science...oh i've lost all interest........oh yeah! we shouldn't be doing any lynchings at all! or stake-burnings! or hangings! or throwing-em-in-the-bog... unless its Mormegil then i don't really care...

[Kath]

Your evidence is slim indeed, as it's only your own word, but I will take it at face value if you will see that I am also not Hunter, nor Ranger, nor Seer, nor um... that guy.

Well Fea (and TGWBS whose post garnered that comment) this puts everyone in the same boat as the only evidence we have at the moment is a person's word.

Still, I find myself strangely suspicious of Mormegil for continuing with the questioning of Gil, though I'm not sure why.

[Holbytlass]

However, you intricate knowledge of people character is a bit disconcerting to me. You seem to know many of us too well for my liking. As if you know who's guilty and who's innocent.

That I don't, miss. But this statement of yours does seem suspicious to me. I was making some speculation, and did name 3 persons. That I would "know many of us too well" for your liking points to me hitting a nerve. Have I stumbled on the 3 werewolves? Highly unlikely, but that it has gotten under your skin seems to be most intriguing.

[Kitanna]

I still look forward to hearing from:
Sophia the Thunder Mistress
Oddwen
Nilpaurion Felagund.


As am I and also whoever else has been silent so far. Unfortunately I won't openly point fingers at them until they have defended themselves.


That I would "know many of us too well" for your liking points to me hitting a nerve.

Yes, mormegil, are you afraid of Holbytlass learning something about you? Something dangerous and possibly deadly?

[Gil-Galad]

Yes, mormegil, are you afraid of Holbytlass learning something about you? Something dangerous and possibly deadly?



i knew it! besides hes not a werewolf...hes witch! burn him! he turned me into a newt!

[Firefoot]

burn him! No, no, if anyone is to be killed, it must be with the rope - wolves must be hung. Though maybe a leadpipe would do the job quite nicely...

Gil-Galad, you saidI agree with Fea there...getting ahead of yourself it seems yes... And then, only an hour later:i knew it! besides hes not a werewolf...hes witch! burn him! he turned me into a newt! Turning rather blood-thirsty all of a sudden, aren't you, Gil?

[Kath]

hes witch! burn him! he turned me into a newt!

You feeling alright Gil? Or is it the wolfish tendencies in you coming to the surface?

[Gil-Galad]

well, you know my bloodlust, it comes and goes...well now its starting to go away...so we should all come together, except Mormegil, he can't come, he must sit outside...

[Kitanna]

A newt Gil? But let me guess...you got better.

[Firefoot]

But, Gil, the question is why you're feeling any bloodlust at all...? It's a werewolvish trait, if ever I've heard of one. And so vindictive about Mormegil...

[mormegil]

Still, I find myself strangely suspicious of Mormegil for continuing with the questioning of Gil, though I'm not sure why.

Kath I'm a bit confused as to what you mean by my continued questioning of Gil? I merely questioned his desire to pay for the funeral, similar to Holybtlass, and left it at that then see him launch into a diatribe of wanting to kill me. It would seem that perhaps you both are working together in this. If not the behavior is suspicious.

I've always been very open and my main hope is that we take an honest look at everyone, including me. Gil-galad's attack on me seems rather clumsy and also to be a knee-jerk reaction.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

In a not-so-subtle attempt to avoid looking vindictive (you are all jerks that are pointlessly accusing me ;)), I really feel the need to randomly accuse everyone whose lovely voices have so far escaped my hearing. Oro, you are a wolf. Do not try to deny it. Durelin, your fangs are bared during all of your smiles. I'd take a picture, but I'd be afraid you'd slay me. Oddwen, I am terrified of your nightly dark crusades. Soph, please don't eat me. Nilp... I know... you're a wolf. Lynch you. Will do, ol' boy.

Now on a slightly more serious note (but not by much), Gil's bloodlust is creepy. But I think that's just part of his personality.

[Durelin]

Durelin, your fangs are bared during all of your smiles.

What smiles? I mean, my goodness, why would I smile at you, Fea. Particularly since I think, in thees case, a smile might get me gooted in the night. I keep out of the open, keep my leeps sealed, and thus I plan to avoid any harm to my person that might come from all zis chaos. I have no reason to wrongly accuse anyone, as I have no reeckoning as to who the blim should lie on, and have no reason to leeft any blame from myself. I shall not hide beehind accuzations.

So, I will look around at what I zee, and take my time in reazoning who might be the cause of zuch horrific deedz as wee have weetnissed in poo-er Mithalwen's death. I eentend to colleect evidence and follow thees case as quietly as I can, waiting for the culprits to sleep, just as I would stealthily track down a joowel theeef...though of course in theeze ceercumztances, the stakes are much higher than seemple joowels.

At thees point, there ees little evidence except in what we have seen in the behavior of all of us, including myself. The most avidly defensive and accusative are of course the first to look at. Only the guilty mind (or someone with an inferiority complex) would feel the need to immediately lash out with brash words. A man who carries a bim will be zee most afraid, as only he knows he carries it!

And so, I suggest we all keep our eye on the guy who be short and Gil-galad...zee former has been most avidly accusing people at random, and did so right of zee boot, while zee latter has been very defensive. Particularly we must keep our eyes and ears on the guy who be short, with all his talk of food and eating and being hungry. Who else would be so hungry, but a hungry wolf? Also hunting for food, as a wolf does, even (and perhaps especially), in the eyes of death! How do I manage to come to such conclusions, you ask? Well, eet wasn't eazy...

Of course, it is natural to not trust the words of anyone, perhaps especially myself because of my absence earlier. But I must say...is it not acceptable for someone to be rudely torn away from their duties as an honorable citizen of this village, concerned with its well-being, due to an unfortunate relation's need of their aid? A young boy who is by blood my brother is indeed a sickly fellow. Sick in the mind, and in need of almost constant watch. Those who usually watch over him went on a brief holiday earlier, and it was begged of me to take over their duties. Feeling it right, I did so, while taking the time that was quiet to think over theese ghastly circumstances...

And now, I have said perhaps too much; more than all of you would have liked to heard. I do not wish to bore anyone, but I think some words that did not include 'lynching' or 'hanging' or 'stabbing' (as I am not such a brute as to use them) would be a relief.

[Oddwen]

A death, in our peaceful little Mawlin? A death seemingly not of natural causes?
*with a fist shaking to the sky* Los Loup Garouuuuuuuuu!

And Mormegil, a monkey seeming to morph into a little girl?!?!?

Such goings on!

Oddwen, I am terrified of your nightly dark crusades.
I have to have my Dark Crusades, to antidote the Light Brigade.

"Ours is not to reason why,
Ours is but to lynch and die!"

We've gotta find those Werewolves!

[Orominuialwen]

Oro, you are a wolf. Do not try to deny it. But why me, my dear Madam? My middle name may be Death (although it rhymes with teeth), but that does not make me a wolf. I was called away by family matters, and did not have time to comment. I had to entertain my brother, the Duke of Denver, this evening, and so have only just sped back to our village in Mrs. Mertle. No, my dear lady, I Oromin Wimsey am no lupine. I am certainly curious to discover the reasoning behind your blind and seemingly pointless accusation of me.

[Oddwen]

Holbytlass - Nothing definite.

Mormegil - His/Her profession of prior knowledge of mysterious chemicals is a shock to us all, I do think. What this will portend I don't know.

The guy who be short - Hum, hum, hum...he probably would have eaten our dear Mithalwen, so I don't really think so yet.

Gil-Galad - Whoa, dude, settle down. Believe me, being too vocal is a terrible stnank.

Orominuialwen - Hasn't shown up on the radar yet.

Firefoot - It could very well have been Miss Firefoot in the Parlor with the Rope. And the Knife.

Durelin - Few of my suspicions are belong to you.

Kitanna - Hmm...nothing yet.

Nilpaurion "I-Take-Immense-Pleasure-In-Professing-Hairy-Lies" Felagund - My incredibly..."done by me" suspicious feelings have yet to be stimulated.

Feanor of the Peredhil - I'm not so suspicious of her yet.


This, doubtless, will change as time goes by.

[Gil-Galad]

The injustice around here is killing me and my Tan-Line!

[mormegil]

I myself find it interesting that Gil attacks me and Kath supports him. I say it's suspicious activity and Kath goes suddenly silent. Seemingly attempting to be forgotten and severe her overt ties with her lackey Gil-galad. I always get dubious of someone who is so certain in their support (defense or offense) at this early stage. Kath's sudden silence is interesting. It might not mean anything for certain but it's to be watched and that's for certain.

Sidenote: Remember we are not meant to take the characterisations, given us by our mod, to influence our judgement. I early jested mildly with TGWBS, who understood it to my understanding, but to have serious doubt of somebody based on that is another. Be mindful that this not influence us overly much, okay.

[Holbytlass]

It has almost been 12 hours since Miss Marpelwen has ceased. Not on her own accord. And all have spoken except Sophia and Nilp, very puzzling. Maybe not enough time. I shall leave you all for about 8 hours or so.
Just one more thing, Oddwen, I am definite nothing of the lupine persuasion.

[mormegil]

Due to RL demands (4th of July and all) I will need to either vote now or not at all. I would feel that it would be too great of a knee-jerk reaction of me to vote for old Gil. I am willing to give him the benefit of the doubt and presume him an inexperienced innocent who is as distraught as all of us innocents our at Mithawen's death. However I do find it disconcerting how willing Kath was to jump on that bandwagon and then dissapear after I mention the connection.

My current guess is that either Gil-galad is innocent and Kath is a wolf piggy-backing on an innocent or that they are both wolves with a clumsy strategy. I fully realize the ramifications of voting early but I feel that either now or never and I feel it my duty to cast my best vote albeit one with little evidence. But alas this is our current lot--little to no evidence. I feel though that Kath has the most suspicious move of the day. For that I vote

++KATH

If I am wrong I am sorry. I'm going on the best information I have and today we have a slim chance of bagging a wolf but perhaps Kath's behavior upped the odds in our favor a bit.

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

It is I, Adam Smith, not the comestible Nilpaurion Felagund, who shall be playing with you.

Despite the fact that most of you expect me to play the suspicious character, I shall not, for it is not in my nature to be suspicious, especially when already under suspicion.

So there. Now that I have declared myself, you can have at me all you want.

[Mithalwen]

Ladies and Gentlemen


I would remind you that you have 6hours to go and only 1 vote cast. If you do not reach a majority by 7.30 I will pick someone at random. Complete random....!!

The late, Mith Alwen Marple

[Kath]

I feel though that Kath has the most suspicious move of the day.

I myself find it interesting that Gil attacks me and Kath supports him. I say it's suspicious activity and Kath goes suddenly silent.

I'm sorry you are quite so suspicious of me Mormegil but I'm afraid I was called away on rather urgent business (i.e. sleep and school) and have only just now been able to get here and catch up on what has been happening. I was not so much supporting Gil as mentioning that you seemed to have it in for him a little - which apparently equals 'Wolf!" in your mind. Also, I did in fact become a little suspicious of Gil's innocence myself:
You feeling alright Gil? Or is it the wolfish tendencies in you coming to the surface?

Well to those who are siding with Mormegil on this I would just like to say that my absence had nothing to do with fear of being found out as there is nothing to be found out about me. I am completely innocent and to me it seems a little early to be planning lynchings when we have many hours left to post, look at evidence and vote. I think Mormegil is jumping at chances that are not actually there, maybe an avoidance tactic to get everyone on his side. Also, we have still not heard from Sophia. It seems to me a rather strange thing that Mormegil be so willing to jump on me when there is a member of the village still unaccounted for. I realise RL duties call him away but he did not take that into account when judging me did he?

I hope the rest of you realise that Mormegil is jumping the gun here and that I am entirely innocent.

As to my suspicions, I would still like to hear from Sophia and maybe a bit more from Nilp as his only post claims he is here as his alter-ego, so we already know he's in two minds!

[Gil-Galad]

Quite so Mormegil, though i won't jump to Kath's defence as of yet, though i'll still defend her once and awhile, but not now (no hard feelings) though i'm still waiting for the other non-talkers

[the guy who be short]

I have very real suspicions already, and will voice them in a short while. We must be careful, terribly careful, not to lynch an innocent. I am going over what everybody has said to evaluate motives.

[Gil-Galad]

now that i think about it, theres only 5 hours left, and i have to vote because i'm going to be gone for the next 5-6 hours or so...


now i have to think... i shall reply shortly...

[Gil-Galad]

i have reached my decison

++Holbytlass

no hard feelings my dear, you know that

[the guy who be short]

An explanation would be nice, if you haven't scurried off already.

Please also remember, 5 hours is plenty of time to decide. Do not vote rashly, or we will have the blood of innocents on our hands. There is time for debate yet.

[Gil-Galad]

5 hours is plenty, but i shall be away for those 5 hours

Why i chose Holbytlass, well she seems innocent...too innocent, shes keeping calm about this, and not using her voice, shes trying to hide something and stay out of peoples way, randomly coming up and adding on to somebody's accusation...makes me wonder...

[Firefoot]

Well, I've got about an hour to an hour and a half before I'll be off (like Morm said, 4th of July and all that).

Right now I'm leaning towards Holbytlass, Gil (though I highly doubt both of them are wolves, just one of them), possibly Oro.

Holbytlass - is very definite: "I am definite nothing of the lupine persuasion." and "the only thing I like on the dark side is chocolate." I'm not sure why this makes me suspicious, but it does. Villagers shouldn't need to respond to every time someone points out their name. Holbytlass seems to act like she has something to prove. (Nothing definite here, but at this point there is nothing definite.)

Gil - I can't figure out if he is a wolf or if that is just the way he is (or both). But he took up the "Kill Morm!" cry very quickly and eagerly (though now he's voted for Holbytlass. Maybe he and Morm are in cahoots? Both act suspicious of each other and then vote otherwise. Hm...).

Oro - is taking the wounded innocent approach. "Me? Of course it's not little old me. You have absolutely no reason to vote for me." Etc. That raises my suspicion quicker than just about anything else.

So right now it looks like I will be voting for one of those three. Time will tell.

[Holbytlass]

I'm back and I see that I already have a vote against me and more are leaning towards me. Please, sirs and misses, wait for my defence against Gil-Galad's accusation and vote. I assure I will give you something to think about.

[Holbytlass]

[QUOTE=Gil-GaladWhy i chose Holbytlass, well she seems innocent...too innocent, shes keeping calm about this, and not using her voice, shes trying to hide something and stay out of peoples way, randomly coming up and adding on to somebody's accusation...makes me wonder...[/QUOTE]

I am innocent and I'm sorry if I come of as 'TOO' innocent. Firefoot, I suppose I am guilty about responding to everything that has my name attached, but of nothing else.

But, Gil-Galad's statement that I'm adding to everyone's accusations are ridiculous! Either he is not researching properly or he has his posts running backwards.

In posts 6 and 13, I name TGWBS, Mormegil, Firefoot, and Gil-Galad (even if it is not out-right finger pointing)
In post 14, Mormegil follows my lead against Gil-Galad on his guilty conscience of paying for a funeral.
In Post 17, Feanor adds on to Mormegil's replies to my post about Gil-Galad's guilty conscience.

In my post (23) I point out how I have hit a nerve with Mormegil in "knowing all too well'.
In post 24 Kittana adds to it about I learning something dangerous.
In post 25, Gil-Galad himself has added to Kittana's replies (to my reply) and than calls Mormegil a witch!

I am not hiding I, I am not adding on but rather people (and GilGalad) are adding to my observations. Which I don't mind, but it makes me wonder why Gil-Galad got it backwards!!

[Firefoot]

Well, I would have liked to see what TGWBS came up with (and if he posts it soon I still may see it, I suppose). But I find my own time running short.

I'm going to take Holbytlass at her word for now. My vote is for ++Orominuialwen, for reasons, such as they are, listed above.

[the guy who be short]

I will now declare my thoughts. Night is not yet upon us, but many of you have actual lives, so I hope to give you something to think about.

First, let us consider mormegil. He voted for Kath. He picked up what seemed like a Kath-Galad alliance (I did too). However, a few things stand out that make him seem guilty.
He claimed Kath was "quiet" and hiding without conidering that she could be asleep, taking into account time differences. Perhaps an honest slip.
He didn't take into account that the Kath-Galad alliance could be a Hunter/Guardian relationship. I feel no fear in saying this, as it already seemed obvious enough as a possibility.
This makes me slightly suspicious of him. I may vote for him yet.

Gil-Galad is in league with Kath. I feel I am most likely to vote G-G, and if he is guilty, lynch Kath.
The "paying for Mith's funeral comment" could have been a Freudian Slip.
Holy Twiddly-winks people! we shouldn't be going around accusing and defending ourself, we must all come together and figure this out, us spreading out in this strange time is not needed What? It isn't? He wants us to choose one person and bandwagon rather than considering all options? We have to spread for a greater chance of finding the guilty.
He jumped on mormegil with the rest of the group and shows continued bitterness. The jumping part seems wolvish, but the morm-part could mean anything. They could be wolves together, or he could be trying to get morm killed as he knows he's an innocent. Note how he adds strength to the lynch-morm campaign, but votes Holbytlass.
Also, his Holbytlass vote made no sense, as she herself pointed out. There are many who fit the bill better than her.
Why i chose Holbytlass, well she seems innocent...too innocent, shes keeping calm about this, and not using her voice, shes trying to hide something and stay out of peoples way, randomly coming up and adding on to somebody's accusation...makes me wonder...As Holbytlass, pointed out, she doesn't even fit this properly. In fact, this accusation makes me believe Holbytlass to be innocent, the only person I am reasonably sure of, other than myself and somebody else who I won't name.
Kath - a puzzle. Accuses morm and Gil. Why? Is G-G simply tying himself to her? Is she casting accusation on her fellows to avoid association with them?These are the three I am most concerned about. Less guilty seeming people shall follow later.

[Kitanna]

Gil - I can't figure out if he is a wolf or if that is just the way he is (or both). But he took up the "Kill Morm!" cry very quickly and eagerly (though now he's voted for Holbytlass. Maybe he and Morm are in cahoots? Both act suspicious of each other and then vote otherwise. Hm...)

I find that quite interesting. It seemed Kath had been there to defend Gil, which would mean Gil and Kath are working together and it seemed Morm and Gil were together by the way they voted. However Morm voted for Kath who seemed to ally herself with Gil. So either Morm and Gil are working together and Morm wants to get rid of Kath or Gil and Kath are working together and Morm wants to break them up before they cause more trouble.
Those three are highest on my list. I'll return later with a vote.

[Kath]

Kath - a puzzle. Accuses morm and Gil. Why? Is G-G simply tying himself to her? Is she casting accusation on her fellows to avoid association with them?These are the three I am most concerned about. Less guilty seeming people shall follow later.

Somehow I have garnered wrongful suspicion but I've already tried to show my innocence and I'll leave it at that.

What I did want to comment on was a theory that has been floating around all day and was most explicitly said by TGWBS:

Gil-Galad is in league with Kath.

This ladies and gentlemen is simply not true. The comment that has everyone forming this opinion was this:

I find myself strangely suspicious of Mormegil for continuing with the questioning of Gil

Now this, in my mind at least, did not mean that I was siding with Gil, rather that Mormegil's jumping on the 'let's accuse Gil' bandwagon seemed somewhat odd to me, though this could be because I never saw the comment as threatening and thought that one comment on it was enough.

I am not in league, working, communicating or in cahoots with Gil-Galad whether for the purpose of good or evil.

[the guy who be short]

Kitanna - If my ideas are wrong, she's potentially a wolf for leaping on them so early. At the moment, I like her 'cos she agrees with me. ;)

Orominuialwen - One post. No accusations. No defences. Nothing. Bears watching as somebody flying under the radar.

Nilpaurion Felagund - Likewise, one meaningless post. Watch him closely.

Oddwen - I'm not suspicious of her yet. However, a few posts back, she made a list of people and notes about them. If she is a wolf, we should go back and see who she left off, as she could be diverting attention away from them.

durelin - Only the guilty mind would feel the need to immediately lash out with brash words.Brash words breed brash responses, of which knowledge can be gained. His only post contains that tomfoolery within it. Note also, only one post - under the radar, anybody? I am most suspicious of him after The Big Three, though perhaps this is only a knee-jerk reaction. ;)

I have little to say about the others. I believe Holbytlass and Feanor of the Peredhil to be the most innocent.

[the guy who be short]

An addition which I believe deserves its own post rather than an edit.


I am not in league, working, communicating or in cahoots with Gil-Galad whether for the purpose of good or evil.

She doesn't respond to the idea that she could be in league with mormegil.

[Kath]

She doesn't respond to the idea that she could be in league with mormegil.

I wasn't aware that I needed to as I found it such a laughable prospect. Also I was defending myself mostly against Morm's early accusations. However, since it seems I need to:

I am not in league, working, communicating or in cahoots with Gil-Galad or mormegil whether for the purpose of good or evil.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

I'll keep this short[ish], since I also have a national holiday to attend to.

Gil-galad has been moving up my list of suspects all day. I can see where he would accuse Morm, but to this degree? It's our first day... nobody knows anything... except the wolves. Might he be trying to solidify our suspicions against an innocent? I don't really know. But I do know that he changed his mind out of nowhere, launching his anti-morm campaign, and then voting for someone else entirely that he hadn't even mentioned yet (I think... don't quote me on that, because I'm in a hurry).

Pretty much to avoid restating everything TGWBS said, I'll just say that I agree with his [TGWBS] reasoning. Gil is just... bloodthirsty. I mean... I know I seem that way also... but when I see someone else as blatantly obvious about accusing random people, it makes me nervous. Not everybody has my good intentions. Unless he's adopted an "observation by agitation" method that I usually use in these cases.

Also high on my list is Oro. She's so... quiet. I understand that we all have constraints on our posting, but still... it's unsettling to see someone being so subtle.

I am certainly curious to discover the reasoning behind your blind and seemingly pointless accusation of me.
The reasoning is this: I selected everyone who hadn't posted yet, and accused them of being a wolf. Read from it what you want, but it was a joke. Your response was really inadequate though. Honestly, I've got no idea what you were talking about, but entertaining dukes is sketchy at best.

Since I can't guarantee I'll be back before the day is up (do I smell breakfast? and then ooh, shower! followed by likely Independence Day picnic) I have to vote now. If I come back and am duly impressed by his defense of himself, I may change it, but for now, the most suspicious on my list is ++GIL-GALAD. I can't get over his quick-change. But Gil, if you change my mind, Oro's head shall be in the noose instead.

[Holbytlass]

Time is ticking and a National Holiday to attend.
It may sound like a knee-jerk but the evidence (that we do have) against Gil-Galad that TGWBS and Feanor has pointed out gives credit to the gut feelings I've been having about him. And, of course, his reasoning behind his vote for me is shoddy at best.

++GIL-GALAD

[the guy who be short]

Well, others have taken the lead in voting for ++GIL GALAD. He appeared most suspicious to me out of The Three anyway, so there it is.

[Kitanna]

Not much time, must celebrate my beloved nation's birth! So I'll cast my vote now.

I had narrowed it down to Kath, Morm, and Gil. Though Kath seems kind of shifty I see her as less of a threat then the other two. She denies an alliance with both and we have only her word to go on. Gil and Morm have so far said nothing on it. (or at least not that I know of)

Anywho TGWBS said an alliance might be a hunter/guardian alliance. I took that into account when I examined Morm and Gil. It is possible they are our hunters/guardians, but I'm not so sure.

Morm's vote for Kath was not a total surprise. He had been going after Kath for some time. And her sudden silence only added to his accusations. But her absence could have been any number of things.

Gil was all ready to kill Morm. He seemed to pick up the torch and lead us right to Morm's doorstep, then suddenly he casts his vote for Holbytlass. And his reasoning of her being quiet was strange. Others have been quieter yet he failed to point any fingers at them.
Gil has me a little worried with all this. He's goes after Morm like crazy and then suddenly he votes for someone he's barely mentioned. That doesn't look very good. I believe there is some kind of alliance between those two, whether for good or evil.

In any case I'm voting ++ Gil-Galad. No hard feelings Gil, but you're voting was awfully strange.

[Mithalwen]

Is running low..... Six people have not voted...... this is not yet decided.......

[Kath]

I'm sorry but I just can't believe that Gil is the guilty party in this. It's gut instinct and it is entirely possible that I am wrong but it feels wrong to vote for him.

I think I'm going to have to go for ++Orominuialwen because I have only seen one slightly vague post from her and I am inclined to vote for those who have not joined in much.

[Orominuialwen]

I'm sorry to have confused you all with my last post, I seem to have gotten rather carried away with my characterization. I shall refrain from doing so in the future. Firefoot and Feanor, the reason I took the "why would you accuse me?" approach was probably through sheer inexperience. I've never had to fend off the invasion of wolves as you two have, and so it seems I have stumbled.


Fea, those who know me would laugh to hear you call me "subtle." As Firefoot pointed out, my first post was a painfully obvious "Me? Of course it's not little old me. You have absolutely no reason to vote for me." sort of post. It worries me to see you calling that subtle. I know your first accusation of me was random and that my reply was only so much theatrics, but this new accusation seem suspicious. Only a wolf would call such a weak defense as mine subtle.

I think we shound watch Feanor, but to vote for her today would be rediculous, as Gil-Galad already seems headed for the noose. He seems rather suspicious to me, so I believe I will cast my vote in that direction too. ++ Gil-Galad

Edit: Cross posted with Kath. The reason I haven't posted much is because I've been kept away by family, computer troubles (stupid Windows 98!) and sleep. That's all I can tell you.

[Mithalwen]

Dusk was falling and though many villagers seemed undecided and some had slunk away, something had to be done to protect the village from the menace that haunted them.

A group of villagers surrounded the village's wealthiest resident. Some were jealous no doubt of his money and saw a chance for revenge, others might have found his strange speech and garb unforgivably odd. Or perhaps they all genuinely believed him to be guilty.

Someone removed the hanging basket from the village Gallows (Midsomer Mawlin had been runner up in "Britain in Bloom"'s tiny and peculiar village category the previous year. Another fetched the noose that had been found around Mithalwen's neck.

"Holy Hangmen - I'm innocent " blustered the caped crusader, but his pleas were in vain - the group was determined enough to overwhelm him yet he struggled manfully agianst them. "Biff!" "Kapow!!!!". But it was not enough. The noose was around his neck. The compact and bijou mob let his body fall. Gil-Galad struggled but at last his body relaxed in death.

The villagers looked in a strange mixture of horror and embarrassment. Gil-Galad might have been eccentric but , holy miscarriages of justices guys, he was no werewolf.


Day one ends with the death of the innocent Gil Galad. Night2 lasts until 8pm tomorrow night unless all necessary information is received before then. Please check the notice board..

[Mithalwen]

The villagers had slunk off to bed soon after they had realised their terrible mistake but were roused after a few short hours by strange noises.

"Whhhhhhheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee Booom, wheeeeeeeeeeeee, crack"

The villagers emerged bleary eyed from their houses to see a firework display of particular magnificence erupting over the tiny village.

"Great " someone said ," We could use some cheering up after yesterday "
"Oooooooooh " and "Ahhhhhh" said everyone obediently as the fireworks exploded in showers of Red and...... well red mainly.

"And there is even a barbecue" pointed out someone as the smell of charred flesh filled the air. Then with horror they realised it was not coming from a barbecue but from the sky ... and the smell was more nauseating than appetising. As dawn broke they realised someone was missing (apart from Sophia the Thunder Mistress who had unexpectedly been away from the village at the time of the flood and would not be able to return...) . They went to Oddwen's charming cottage, small and found nothing of the maiden save rather a lot of blood. On the kitchen table were sharp knives, a large empty box labled Fireworks. Rather disturbingly on the floor were four distinct sets of bloody pawprints but unfortunately none were found outside the house.

"Holy hand grenades" said a familiar but unexpected voice "An aerial funeral"

"Gil Galad" said the villagers

"So it would appear"

"But you're .... we..err "

"Indeed "

"But how "


"Well.................."

Option A

Gil Galad walked out of the shower this morning to find that the events of the previous night had been a dream.

Option B

Gil-Galad had used his fantastic wealth to clone himeself

Option C

Gil Galad had slipped through a warp in the space-time continuum facilitated by an omnipotent moderator who felt guilty about the ambiguous voting rules and needed to make up the numbers.

Option D

Gil galad is is a Time Lord

Option E

The execution was bungled and Gil Galad escaped


Option F

It is in fact GIl Galad's long lost identical twin

Option G

"I am no longer Gil Galad the grey but Gil-Galad the White, sent back for a while..and wherever I have been I am back!"

Take your pick. :D

Villagers dead:

Mithalwen - moderator comprehensively killed by Werewolves Night 1
Gil Galad (Incarnation 1) - lynched by a small mob on Day 1
Oddwen - Chopped and loaded into fireworks by werewolves on Night 2

Villagers living

Holbytlass
mormegil
The guy who be short
Kath
Gil-Galad (2nd Incarnation)
Orominuialwen
Firefoot
Durelin
Kitanna
Nilpaurion Felagund
Feanor of the Peredhil

Wolves 4
Villagers 7

Day begins now. All PMs should cease. Day ends at 7pm tomorrow unless someone gets 6 votes.

If at 7pm tomorrow noone has gained 6 votes, the person with the most votes will be lynched as long as the uncast votes are not enought to change the result. If there is a tie one will be picked at random. If this does not get a result we move on to semi random selection from a wider population.

I will make a ballot and people will get tickets for: a not posting, b, not voting, c, for attracting the votes of players.

Basically you will not be at risk if you have posted and voted,as long as you have not been voted for.

You will have more chances to win a trip to the gallows if you don't post, don't vote and get voted for.

This is as fair as I can make it. I made everyone aware that I expected a reasonable degree of participation at get go.

It is in your interests to post and vote.

[mormegil]

I've always found it helpful to post the Day's voting and glean from it any knowledge we can. This list is in order of who voted for who.

Mormegil voted Kath
Gil-Galad(1) voted Holbytlass
Firefoot voted Orominuralwen
Feanor voted Gil-Galad
Holbytlass voted Gil-Galad
The Guy Who Be Short (TGWBS) voted Gil-Galad
Kitanna voted Gil-Galad
Kath voted Orominuralwen
Orominuralwen voted Gil-Galad

Did not vote
Durelin
Oddwen
Sophia (New Gil)
Niparurion

[the guy who be short]

Poor Oddwen. I shall go back and analyse what she has said later to find a possible motive for her murder.

Now, Gil-Galad the Grey. I accept I was largely responsible for the lynching. While I do feel bad he was innocent, I'm not apologising for it. He was confusing, and I think it's advantageous to have him dead early.

It seems he has reincarnated though. Ah well. :p

Our main concern is that we now have four wolves. It is very much in our interests to debate long and hard before any voting takes place.

[mormegil]

Our main concern is that we now have four wolves. It is very much in our interests to debate long and hard before any voting takes place.

Agreed. I find suspcious those who either did not vote or made votes at critical times for known innocents.

[Durelin]

My word...it ees getting quite - do I dare say it? - erm, explosive around here... Poor Oddwen...those whose suspicions were upon her should change their tune a bit, I think. Her two posts did her in, it seems...perhaps we should bare in mind her last words, as they were the words of innocence.

And now I may respond to this...

Brash words breed brash responses, of which knowledge can be gained. His only post contains that tomfoolery within it. Note also, only one post - under the radar, anybody? I am most suspicious of him after The Big Three, though perhaps this is only a knee-jerk reaction.I appreciate that you acknowledged my existence, but excuse me while I say I am in fact female, though my alter-ego does enjoy cross-dressing. And we all know that werewolves don't cross-dress.

Along with cross-dressing comes cross-posting, it seems...

Both the guy who be short and mormegil were very quick in their responses...it's interesting that they jumped on the case so quickly, while it takes most of us a little longer to get out of bed. Perhaps they did not sleep well last night, due to...*coughs* 'celebrating'?

[the guy who be short]

My sincerest apologies, Durelin. :o

I think the two best things we can do now are:

1) Go back over people's responses to G-G's posts, as he was a knwn innocent.

2) Go back over Oddwen's posts and fnd a possible reason she was killed.


I am a little busy at the moment, but shall return in a few hours, hopefully. If not, consider me to be napping, please.

Now, I need a Shortie Snack.

[Durelin]

Going over earlier posts, I've found mormegil to be increasingly suspicious. He was among those that first began suggesting that Gil-galad may be guilty. And, he ended up voting for Kath, who was one of the few who suggested that he might be a werewolf. Oddwen, who we know to be innocent, is another person who accused him of being a member of the guilty party.

Though, the guy who be short originally placed Oddwen on his 'top three' list, and placed two others randomly on that list. And we have yet to see if either of them are in fact guilty or innocent.

Holbytlass - Nothing definite.

Mormegil - His/Her profession of prior knowledge of mysterious chemicals is a shock to us all, I do think. What this will portend I don't know.

The guy who be short - Hum, hum, hum...he probably would have eaten our dear Mithalwen, so I don't really think so yet.

Gil-Galad - Whoa, dude, settle down. Believe me, being too vocal is a terrible stnank.

Orominuialwen - Hasn't shown up on the radar yet.

Firefoot - It could very well have been Miss Firefoot in the Parlor with the Rope. And the Knife.

Durelin - Few of my suspicions are belong to you.

Kitanna - Hmm...nothing yet.

Nilpaurion "I-Take-Immense-Pleasure-In-Professing-Hairy-Lies" Felagund - My incredibly..."done by me" suspicious feelings have yet to be stimulated.

Feanor of the Peredhil - I'm not so suspicious of her yet., another person on that list that I believe to be innocent.Here she must have said something about a werewolf that frightened them into giving her a rather explosive end. Who did she suggest was a werewolf here? Only mormegil and Firefoot.

Concerning suspicions about Firefoot, she strangely voted for Oro, who Kath voted for, and who Fea was leaning towards, and who the guy who be short has suggested seems guilty because of her quietness.

I think Kitanna seems strangely quiet, personally. That, of course, does not necessarily mean anything...nor does any of the above. All is just speculation, and I of course will not be voting any time soon. More time is needed to figure things out, and I need to study other people's records. So I will be back with more speculation for everyone to think about later...

[mormegil]

Here she must have said something about a werewolf that frightened them into giving her a rather explosive end. Who did she suggest was a werewolf here? Only mormegil and Firefoot.


Sadly Oddwen voted for nobody. So while she voiced mild suspicions seemingly her convictions weren't sufficient to vote. Now Durelin you are wise in your discussion here. I see that you have not narrowed you view solely to Firefoot and me. I think we all need to look at everyone's behavior and assess their guilt and innocence.

Oddwen said of me

Mormegil - His/Her profession of prior knowledge of mysterious chemicals is a shock to us all, I do think. What this will portend I don't know

I pointed out later that the characterization given to us by our mod are not meant to cast suspicion on participants. The person who I was characterized merely takes potions in school and was included in the story here. At the beginning I jested with TGWBS about his but I did not draw serious suspicion based on that.

[Firefoot]

So, let's see. If I had to pick four suspects out of our list, I guess they would be: Oro, Holbytlass, Kitanna, and... undecided. Since our 4th wolf wasn't a wolf yesterday, we unfortunately will only have evidence to the contrary. This also means that no one is on my "in-the-clear" list anymore.

Oro - this is largely gut instinct, as I stated before: "is taking the wounded innocent approach. "Me? Of course it's not little old me. You have absolutely no reason to vote for me." Etc. That raises my suspicion quicker than just about anything else."

Holbytlass - seemed to be doing a pretty good job of deflecting accusations in other ways when she was accused. This does not necessarily indicate a wolf, but her posts don't sit right with me. I'm teeter-tottering on whether I think she is a wolf or not.

Kitanna - in the start, she didn't post anything of any real substance, though sometimes she jumped on and echoed other's accusations. Towards the end of the day she finally posted some opinions but didn't really say anything new. This may or may not be evidence of a wolf.

All of this is slim evidence. In fact, I doubt I'd be convinced if someone else wrote this. ;) But I'll put it out there for discussion anyway, and hopefully I'll gleen some new information today, about these three and the rest of you.

Here she must have said something about a werewolf that frightened them into giving her a rather explosive end. Who did she suggest was a werewolf here? Only mormegil and Firefoot. And I will still maintain that it doesn't make sense for a wolf to kill a) someone who directly implied their guilt during the day or b) someone the wolf accused of being guilty that day. Criteria a) leads me to doubt that mormegil is a wolf. Using criteria b), TGWBS and Fea are probably innocent.

[the guy who be short]

We must also remember the potential for double-bluffing. The way I see it is this:

Oddwen was very quiet.
Oddwen had mild suspicions but didn't really have any major impact on how things happened.
Oddwen was a very minor presence yesterday.

Now, this makes me thing Oddwen was killed because she was quiet and not casting accusations. So the wolves want all us "loudmouths" to stay alive, as we are casting accusations, but wrongly.

This would imply that most of those presently being accused are infact innocent.

Only a theory, but one I would like to beseriously considered. At the moment, my thought is bent most on Oro and Durelin.

Edit: additional thoughts.

Kitanna is also suspicious - I noticed the lack of substance of her posts before.

It is interesting to note that Oddwen didn't accuse anybody majorly in that main post of hers. Rather, it was a defence of most of us - doubtless including the wolves, who I think want to hide behind it. "An innocent said we seemed innocent too. She had no ulterior motives." That kind of thing.

Edit II: I notice that Oddwen only really accused Firefoot, who I think is likely to be innocent as she has many of the same feelings as me. I think the wolves are most likely trying to frame her.

Edit III: Concerning suspicions about Firefoot, she strangely voted for Oro
Strangely? A strange vote for Oro? I see defensive language. This support seems like some sort of alliance. I'm most tempted to believe in a Oro/durelin wolvish alliance, with Kitanna possibly on the side.

Edit IV:

Just so it is clear:

Greatest suspicions:
Orominuialwen
durelin

Some suspicion:
Kitanna
Nilpaurion felagund

Probably innocent:
mormegil
Kath
Firefoot
Feanor of the Peredhil

Don't know:
Gil-Galad
Holbytlass

[Gil-Galad]

i have returned, but fear not, i am here to help you

*pulls out the matrix* Light our darkest hour!

...okay...but the gift shop was still cool...

[Kitanna]

Holy flogging schnitt!!!

I would feel that it would be too great of a knee-jerk reaction of me to vote for old Gil. I am willing to give him the benefit of the doubt and presume him an inexperienced innocent who is as distraught as all of us innocents our at Mithawen's death. However I do find it disconcerting how willing Kath was to jump on that bandwagon and then dissapear after I mention the connection.

My current guess is that either Gil-galad is innocent and Kath is a wolf piggy-backing on an innocent or that they are both wolves with a clumsy strategy.

Mmmm, I wish I had looked more closely at that post before. I don't if my vote would have changed, but who knows.

I'm not sure how I can put this, but I will try. Morm says he'll give Gil the benefit of the doubt and that "he is an inexperienced innocent" and then it turns out Gil (the first that is) really was an innocent. Maybe Morm was telling the truth and thought Gil was innocent. Or maybe he knew something the rest of us didn't. This could all be a coinedence or Morm just slipped in his keeping his identity a secret. I can't say for sure, at this point I will say I'm still suspcious of Morm as I was yesterday. I'd really like to see what he has to say about Kath...

I'm also curious about TGWBS and Morm being the first (and with amazing speed) to respond to Oddwen's death. But once again that doesn't actually mean anything. But the cross post was interesting...

[Kath]

Well so Gil dead but reincarnated and now Oddwen slaughtered in the night - not a happy village at the moment.

So, who voted for Gil - Fea, Holbytlass, TGWBS, Kitanna and Oro. I've a couple of choices for most suspicious here. TGWBS was pretty vocal in his pursuit of Gil for reasons that I still find to be inconclusive. Kitanna though I feel wary of as well as she posted very little during the day and then stuck in a vote that she knew was safe, or at least likely to be.

I'm still unsure over Mormegil. Yesterday I was very suspicious of him because of his going after Gil who I thought to be innocent. Then he starts going on about a Kath/Gil alliance (now proven to be an unfounded belief) and votes for me. This sudden shift is confusing me somewhat but I'll have to think on that one.

I am becoming very suspicious of Durelin but for no good reason. Just something about her seems wrong.

Anyway please feel free to proclaim your innocence all of you, I'll see who I believe.

[the guy who be short]

I'm going to defend Kath and morm here. I am not associating myself with either, and do not wish to be seen to be doing so, but these are my thoughts.

However I do find it disconcerting how willing Kath was to jump on that bandwagon and then dissapear after I mention the connection.
She does need to sleep, y'know. :p She's British.

Morm says he'll give Gil the benefit of the doubt and that "he is an inexperienced innocent" and then it turns out Gil (the first that is) really was an innocent. Maybe Morm was telling the truth and thought Gil was innocent. Or maybe he knew something the rest of us didn't. This could all be a coinedence or Morm just slipped in his keeping his identity a secret.
Complete speculation, m'dear. Each of us is (or at least should be) accusing and defending a myriad of other villagers. If he continues to have such a success rate discerning innocents from wolves, perhaps I will be suspicious. Not so for one person.

I'm also curious about TGWBS and Morm being the first (and with amazing speed) to respond to Oddwen's death. But once again that doesn't actually mean anything. But the cross post was interesting...
It's easy for me to do so, as my internet time corresponds neatly with the start of Day. Also, there is about an hour's notice before the start of Day in the noticeboard thread.

And now, I must sleep. A nap is good for the nose, they say, and I'll be needing mine to sniff out the werewolves amongst us.

*eats a Shortie snack and leaves*

[Holbytlass]

Holbytlass - seemed to be doing a pretty good job of deflecting accusations in other ways when she was accused. This does not necessarily indicate a wolf, but her posts don't sit right with me. I'm teeter-tottering on whether I think she is a wolf or not.

And I will still maintain that it doesn't make sense for a wolf to kill a) someone who directly implied their guilt during the day or b) someone the wolf accused of being guilty that day.

The only major accusation I received was from Gil1, and it was easy to deflect his reasoning of the vote for me because it was not correct or made sense.
Any other 'deflecting' isn't because, for instance, Firefoot's suspicions of me are based on how she doesn't necessarily like how I post. There's not alot I can do about that.

I voted early on for Gil1 and most people might agree with me that he brought it upon himself. I was and still am innocent.

I do agree with Firefoot's second quoted statement. At this stage wolves most likely will not kill someone who is tied to them in accustions, suspicions or votes.

[Gil-Galad]

it was not correct or made sense..

a little bit Presumptious eh Holbytlass?

[Orominuialwen]

As I have already explained, the defence I gave of myself (taking the wounded innocent approach) was due to inexperience. Yesterday we lynched an innocent because of behavior that (as far as I can tell) stemmed from inexperience. Let's not make the same mistake twice. tgwbs, your suspicions of me seem to have no basis other than that Durelin disagreed with Firefoot's gut instinct about me. Frankly, I disagree with Durelin's opinion. My first post was indeed suspicious, but as I've said before, that was due to nothing more than inexperience and a love of theatrics. I'm shy in real life, so online it's fun to get to be dramatic once in a while.

I really have no idea why anybody would want to kill Oddwen, as she didn't really seem to be much of a threat. She didn't even vote, after all.

Edit: Cross posted with Gil and Holbytlass

[Gil-Galad]

i agree with Orom, were al lgetting riled up at each other that if one of us dies we all go and convict the person that was lashing at us most, the werewolf is smarter then we think...

[Durelin]

Quote:
Originally Posted by durelin
Concerning suspicions about Firefoot, she strangely voted for Oro

Strangely? A strange vote for Oro? I see defensive language. This support seems like some sort of alliance. I'm most tempted to believe in a Oro/durelin wolvish alliance, with Kitanna possibly on the side.I said 'strangely' because she gave few reasons, and still does. I am ready to pull apart any baseless argument, because voting for the lynching of an innocent person is as much a deterrment to us villagers as the murdering of an innocent person by the wolves is.

But anyway. I see I'm becoming *suspicious*. Notice, of course, that they only people who say I'm suspicious are those who I said were suspicious. A vicious circle it is.

Now, if all of you are saying Oro is suspicious, then let's collect the evidence so far why.

First of all, she's been faily inactive. So has Nilp. Second, she's taken on a 'wounded innocent approach'.

Only a wolf would call such a weak defense as mine subtle.Kinda a weak defense, and she has been pretty defensive from the start.

I think we shound watch Feanor, but to vote for her today would be rediculous, as Gil-Galad already seems headed for the noose. He seems rather suspicious to me, so I believe I will cast my vote in that direction too. ++ Gil-Galad

Going with the crowd like them could point to guilt or innocence. Depends on how you read it.

Now, let's see...I haven't looked too closely at Holbytlass or Nilp or Feanor, or Gil-galad2, for that matter.

First, let's start with Holbytlass. She's been pretty straightforward in most of her posts, though she's been a little defensive...though really everyone has, I suppose, to varying degrees. But, both her and Feanor went with the crowd and voted for Gil-galad, who we now know to be innocent. Nilp just hasn't been around, so...guilty silence or innocent silence?

Unfortunately I'm a little short on time... But I'm going to have to vote very soon, as I will, unfortunately, be absent much of tomorrow.

edit: cross-posted with several people...

[Kitanna]

Complete speculation, m'dear. Each of us is (or at least should be) accusing and defending a myriad of other villagers. If he continues to have such a success rate discerning innocents from wolves, perhaps I will be suspicious. Not so for one person.

Yes it is complete speculation. But I have a bad feeling about Morm, one which I can't quite explain. It was probably a coinedence, but I'm still watching him a little closer now.

It's easy for me to do so, as my internet time corresponds neatly with the start of Day. Also, there is about an hour's notice before the start of Day in the noticeboard thread.

I didn't even think of that. :eek: I forget sometimes about everyone being on different times. It certainly explains people being absent.

[Durelin]

I'm feeling quite pressured...I'm going to have to vote soon, because I will be absent all of tomorrow (surprise trip that I thought wasn't until thursday).

So...Oro, I, and Holbytlass seem to be getting some suspicion...Kitanna a little, mormegil a little... Really, everyone's suggested almost everyone. When you don't know who your enemies or allies are, I guess that's how things work. And for the wolves...the chaos is most likely most rewarding.

[Firefoot]

I know that I don't have a lot of evidence, cf.:All of this is slim evidence. In fact, I doubt I'd be convinced if someone else wrote this. I'm just going with what I have, which obviously isn't a lot.

My suspicions still stand, to a greater or lesser extent. I'm becoming watchful of Durelin (not suspicious, watchful), and I probably suspect Kitanna the most right now. I'm sort of flagging on Oro and Holbytlass.

Right now I'm looking a little closer at the voting of yesterday. Using Morm's list:

Mormegil voted Kath - If Morm is a wolf, Kath is almost definitely not. A wolf would not vote for another wolf right off the bat; there are too many different ways the vote could go.

Gil-Galad(1) voted Holbytlass - Gil1 was innocent, but ungifted. Holbytlass could be either guilty or innocent based on this.

Firefoot voted Orominualwen - You can draw your own conclusions. I've already explained this.

Feanor voted Gil-Galad - Voted for a known innocent; Fea could be a wolf, though at this point I don't think a wolf would be the first person to vote for a given person.

Holbytlass voted Gil-Galad - 2nd person to vote for a known innocent. If she were a wolf, Gil would make the most sense: he already has a vote, will probably get more votes, but she couldn't be accused of bandwaggoning. But she could also be an innocent - it would have been consistent, as she had had her eye on Gil all Day.

TGWBS voted Gil-Galad - This would be a pretty good time for a wolf to vote, and the right candidate. (However, I don't think he is guilty due to Criteria B) above)

Kitanna voted Gil-Galad - If Kitanna voted for Gil, it would be half the total votes needed for Gil to go to the noose. I'm not sure that a wolf would vote for an innocent heading for the noose at this point. It seems more likely to me that a wolf at this point would vote for an innocent already voted for.

Kath voted Orominualwen - This seems to be the most suspicious vote of all. This follows the pattern stated above. She could still be an innocent who was unconvinced of Gil's guilt, but I am unsure. My eye is on Kath now, as well.

Orominualwen voted Gil-Galad - About the same analysis as Kitanna's vote.

Did not voters - I don't think a lot of information can be picked up here. They could be innocent just as easily as guilty.

I'm not sure how much conclusive evidence can be picked up from Day 1's voting at this point. It was pretty blind on the part of the innocents, and we don't know enough about the wolves' styles to pick them out.

[Durelin]

Well, I'm going with ++Kath.

I read through Firefoot's post, and that made me realize a few things. And I find that how she seems to go along with varying people to be strange.

Sorry to have such a quick vote, but no vote is not an option, is it.

[Holbytlass]

At this early stage of suspicions and accusations, I think we ought to work our way backwards, going after the 'quiet' ones first. They leave very little to work with especially at the crucial end time and those who don't participate at all, I'm not thrilled about possibly getting executed. Besides, maybe this would encourage more from them and their thoughts and we'd have better ideas on where people stand.

At this point I'm looking closely at Kittana, Firefoot and Adam (Nilp).

[mormegil]

Unfortunately I was busier today than normal at work so I wasn't able to post some of my thoughts. I want to expand on my list of who voted for who by giving what I perceived to be their reason, either explicitly stated or inferred from what was said in that and previous posts.

Mormegil at the time of my vote I was highly suspicious of both Kath and Gil1. They seemed to be working together but keeping it subtle as wolves would do. It did cross my mind that they were possibly a hunter/guardian combo but I figure those who are the h/g combo would be much more subtle and avoid each other at this early stage. So it seemed more than likely that they were wolves. While Gil's behavior was suspicious (obviously) I gave him the benefit of my doubt about it and would rather attribute his behavior to being a wolf. But, Kath I just couldn't see doing that. But with Gil's unfortunate death and being proven innocent my suspicions have been somewhat diminished of Kath.

Gil1 Voted Holbytlass???? I still haven't figured out why? Again inexperience? That my only thought.

Firefoot Has suspected Oro since early on and voted for her based on the "wounded me" approach. Also Firefoot has given some insightful post up to this point. Probably not guilty

Feanor Never know what to make of her. First to vote for Gil1...he was highly suspicious...but innocent. Stated her reason for her vote was Gil's notorious quick change in a vote. Truth be known I may have changed my vote for Gil had I been around to see that change myself. She's hard to read with being so loud and all however I feel that if she were a wolf she'd be a bit less vocal...probably not guilty

Holbytlass Same as Feanor. Voted for Gil based on his quick change. Could have been a knee-jerk reaction but I don't see that in her. Probably innocent.

TGWBS In a third and fairly important vote he voted Gil1. He voiced his suspicions early and then waited to vote. He said in post 62

Well, others have taken the lead in voting for ++GIL GALAD. He appeared most suspicious to me out of The Three anyway, so there it is.

It might be nothing at all but is seems to me that he was waiting for somebody else to do that so he wouldn't have to be first. Granted you spoke against him but your choice of words and timing seem suspicious to me. My feelings and logic dictate that we watch him more carefully he's smooth and expert in these matters. He's not to be taken lightly. Probably guilty

Kitanna Voted Gil on the quick change but her vote basically assured death. Could be innocent enough but a couple of other things bothered me about her. On the first day in post 24 she seems to piggyback on Holbytlass. She spoke regularly but added little (see post 7 and 29) Seems to me that this behavior is becoming of a wolf. Post often but don't really contribute. Most likely guilty

Kath Voted Oro following Firefoot's explination. My doubt, as stated, is diminished some due to the crushing of the Gil1/Kath alliance suspicion I had. She could have been piggybacking on Gil but I'm not sure. She bears watching. Possibly guilty

Oro Voted Gil and was virtually the nail in his coffin (which he seemed to break out of :D ) based on the reason that others gave...quick reaction. Is the 5th vote more or less suspicious than the 3rd or 4th? Not sure. I'd like to hear more from her and other that are quiet to conclude but possibly guilty.

Speaking of quiet ones those who don't vote garner much suspicion from me. I don't think we are doing enough looking at those who don't speak. It seems ideal for a wolf to not vote on day one and remain quiet all day while we make up excuses for them why they couldn't be here. *Nilp I'm looking at you**

Edit: cross post with Holby (this took a long time to type on my laptop) But I'm glad others are suspicious of the quiet group as well. Us loud mouths are being too good a shield for them.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Maybe Morm was telling the truth and thought Gil was innocent. Or maybe he knew something the rest of us didn't. This could all be a coincedence or Morm just slipped in his keeping his identity a secret.
Fea's a wolf! Lynch her now while you still have the chance! Now that's a slip. ;) :p Morm, on the other hand, seems just to have been pointing out the obvious: Gil's inexperienced and just happened to be a little exhuberant. It happens to everyone. I'm not saying that Morm's innocent, because I'm learning to trust other people's gut instincts, but this particular comment seems innocent enough.

the werewolf is smarter then we think...
You sound so certain. If you'd be so kind, I'd love to hear your thoughts on wolf strategy. You've got a unique perspective, seeing as how you've already been dead once. I hear it's very liberating.

...Feanor went with the crowd and voted for Gil-galad
Yes... about that... First and foremost, sorry Gil. I have to admit that I should have known better: loud mouth does not a guilty conscience make. Secondly, I don't "go with the crowd". I dance to my own tune. I seem to have memories of voting early in order to slink off to my Independence Day celebrations (still trying to get my hearing back in my right ear, if anyone's interested). How is it band-wagoning to cast your suspicions, vote for the one who seems most guilty, and run off due to RL events? I apologize in advance that I cannot guarantee as much time for this game as all of you, but you have to remember that I was pulled in at very short notice and already had several things in my schedule.

Feanor voted Gil-Galad - Voted for a known innocent

If you'll remember, Firefoot, Gil wasn't a known innocent at the time. Unless you knew it and that was a slip of the tongue? ;) No, I'm kidding. Quite honestly, I have very little suspicion of you. I mean... sure there's some, because you're so darned organized, but that's just jealousy, I think.

At this point I'm looking closely at Kittana, Firefoot and Adam (Nilp).
Holby, you consider Firefoot to be one of the "quiet ones"? She's spoken more than you have, so what does that say about you? Not accusing you, mind, just something that caught my eye.

My feelings and logic dictate that we watch [TGWBS] more carefully he's smooth and expert in these matters. He's not to be taken lightly. Probably guilty
I disagree with you, Morm. I'm not sure why, but I doubt his guilt. I'd hate to see him lynched just because he's smart. Heck, we can use intelligence like his on this sort of mission... quest... thing. While I do think he bears quite a lot of watching, because he could so easily be tricking us, I don't see him as a threat right now. No doubt that will change, as I'm just a fickle wee lass who gets ideas from the smallest comments, but... you know... I'm just like that.

Us loud mouths are being too good a shield for them.
I finally agree with you! I say that we "loud mouths" back off to let the quiet ones do some work. It would be entirely too easy for a wolf to sit in the shadows and watch us argue. I can so vividly picture the lot of them (four!?!? We're screwed.) laughing at us as we bicker.

[Holbytlass]

Kitanna Voted Gil on the quick change but her vote basically assured death. Could be innocent enough but a couple of other things bothered me about her. On the first day in post 24 she seems to piggyback on Holbytlass. She spoke regularly but added little (see post 7 and 29) Seems to me that this behavior is becoming of a wolf. Post often but don't really contribute. Most likely guilty

Speaking of quiet ones those who don't vote garner much suspicion from me. I don't think we are doing enough looking at those who don't speak. It seems ideal for a wolf to not vote on day one and remain quiet all day while we make up excuses for them why they couldn't be here. *Nilp I'm looking at you**

Mormegil beat me to it. I came up with the same with Kittana. And Adam (Nilp) for being 'quiet'.
I'm still looking at Firefoot just to be sure I'm not being suspicious of her just because she is of me.

[Kitanna]

I like how everyone thinks I piggyback (ok, that's pretty true) and that that's wolfish behavior, but what none of you know is that I'm a complete and utter moron! Yes that's right, a moron.
But I do want to say I voted for the first Gil-Galad because I truly thought he was guilty. And I was wrong as were a number of other people. So you can all say I went with the crowd if you want, but I know why I voted for him.

[mormegil]

I would like to say a bit on the quiet ones who did not vote at all.

Oddwen--innocent! No need for comment

Durelin--Fairly long post just one though on day one. Seemingly attempting to rectify that on day two. Was it a wolvish strategy that she realized wasn't working or an innocent strategy? Either way it's good to have her talking more. Her sudden change to Kath is a bit disconcerting to me though. She said that Firefoot's post convinced her but previously didn't mention Kath. I enjoyed Firefoot's post and found it helpful but I don't think it was sufficiently convincing to make somebody do a 180 degree turn like it did for Durelin. (maybe not a full 180 but a drastic turn nonetheless.) A probable wolf

Nilp--Only one minor post of absolutely no significance. I hate to think somebody guilty due to this but it's difficult not to. At a minimum it's annoying to those of us trying our hardest to catch a wolf when there's behavior like this. Possibly innocent but not enough info to tell with any certainty either way. :( :rolleyes:

Sophia/Gil2--Really nothing to be said yet except what he's said today. Nothing of any real substance though, just quick posts with nothing really to glean from it...but can we glean anything from that...probably not but I would like to hear more of actual substance from him.

[Gil-Galad]

Werewolf strategy
101

Scapecoats: If i were a werewolf i would dwindle a majority of the villagers so they have no power to act out againest them

more next class

[Firefoot]

If you'll remember, Firefoot, Gil wasn't a known innocent at the time. I know, I'm writing with my 20/20 hindsight. ;) At least, some of it is 20/20. Seriously, though, anytime I say "known innocent" or "proven innocent," it is on what we know currently. I think you already understood that, though.you're so darned organized Heh, I'm good at making lists but it doesn't organize my mind very well...

He's not to be taken lightly. Probably guilty I agree with Morm that TGWBS is not to be taken lightly; I, however, am leaning towards his innocence.She's hard to read with being so loud and all however I feel that if she were a wolf she'd be a bit less vocal Now here's what would be suspicious: a quiet Fea. No, no, the best way for a wolf to act is how they normally act. While I am leaning towards Fea's innocence, it's not because she's not being quiet(er).

Concerning quiet vs. loud: wolves can come from either end of the spectrum. Our only real "quiet ones" are Oro (3 posts) and Nilp (1 post). What we really need to look at, though, is what people are saying. If Nilp's 1 post was really informative and comprehensive, I would look less at him. (I'm not exactly suspicious of him, but my theory of this is "Guilty until convinced otherwise." ;) ) So, looking at the quality of people's posting:

There is a lack of substance in the posts of Gil-Galad and Nilp.

There is middling substance in the posts of Oro, Holbytlass, Kitanna, and Kath.

There is good substance in the posts of Fea, TGWBS, Morm, and Durelin (and I'll throw myself in here).

Definitions (so there is no confusion):
Lack of substance - Very few or no suspicions cast (esp. toDay); no real logical thinking.

Middling substance - These people give voice to suspicions, though not always with reasons. Some commenting on what has happened, though not always what they think of it.

Good substance - Give voice to suspicions and provide at least some back up. Make logical comments about what is going on and what they think about it. Generally provide lists and/or explanations.

My guess is that 2 or 3 of our wolves will come from the first two categories, but we probably have at least one wolf in the last category.

[Holbytlass]

Holby, you consider Firefoot to be one of the "quiet ones"? She's spoken more than you have, so what does that say about you? Not accusing you, mind, just something that caught my eye.

I didn't see this post till now, it had slipped in between my typing and posting.
I don't consider Firefoot a 'quiet' one, I had put forth my idea of wolf hunting, and then I wanted to be sure to give my own thoughts on who I was looking at. It happened to blend together.

[mormegil]

Werewolf strategy
101

Scapecoats: If i were a werewolf i would dwindle a majority of the villagers so they have no power to act out againest them

more next class

Not 101 that would be remedial wolf strategy at best or possible prewerewolf school lesson 1 :rolleyes:


Please Gil give us something of substance. We all seem to be getting weary of those who aren't contributing much by way of substance and I'd hate to have my suspicions of you based on that alone. What I'm saying is that I don't find you suspicious because you haven't said anything yet but that will not last too long if it continues thusly.

[Holbytlass]

My assessments of Adam (Nilp), Kittana and Firefoot

Adam-nonexistent, I'd vote for him now just to be done, however, we do have about 14 hours and he may be on different cycle

Kittana- innocent and just new at this or a wolf hiding behind being new

Firefoot-loves to make lists. not suspicious of her except I'll kick myself if she's a wolf hiding behind those lists.

That's the order I'd vote.

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Nilp just hasn't been around, so...guilty silence or innocent silence? (Durelin)

Nilp--Only one minor post of absolutely no significance . . . At a minimum it's annoying to those of us trying our hardest to catch a wolf when there's behavior like this. (morm)

I see I'm suspicious just because I am physically unable to sustain myself in this place. Well, if you knew the reasons for that trickle of substance you saw in my first post, ummm . . . you'll know.

I have little time. You have to realise I'm living in a Third-World Asian country situated on the other side of the world that's teethering on the edge of civil war. Plus my host body is a student. Them Filipinos have to study their Latin and German, too.

I have to post so I don't get killed by some absence rule. But I had no idea what to post. I find little to say on DAY 1 (unless something utterly controversial is put forth, like what happened on my host's game). So, I said the obvious. I'm Adam. I'm playing, not Nilp.

Now, you thirst for substance from the grouchy distant alter-ego? You'll get it, as soon as I finish my analysis. It's out of habit for me to point fingers without evidence. Be back in about four hours.

[Durelin]

Durelin--Fairly long post just one though on day one. Seemingly attempting to rectify that on day two. Was it a wolvish strategy that she realized wasn't working or an innocent strategy? Either way it's good to have her talking more. Her sudden change to Kath is a bit disconcerting to me though. She said that Firefoot's post convinced her but previously didn't mention Kath. I enjoyed Firefoot's post and found it helpful but I don't think it was sufficiently convincing to make somebody do a 180 degree turn like it did for Durelin. (maybe not a full 180 but a drastic turn nonetheless.) A probable wolf
So maybe I'm blood-thirsty, fanged, hairy, I have fleas (you might be right about that one), and I've been enjoying killing people and frightening you all the past couple nights. Maybe I like seeing you people worked up. Maybe I moonlight as a completely different person (literally) and do horrendous things like egg people's houses and tp their beautiful green lawns, while sometimes leaving bloodied corpses among the grass.

Maybe, or maybe not.

I'll leave you to decide. Now, it's off the the beach with me. I'm very sad to miss the rest of the day's procedings, and my probable sentencing to death. Yes, I know, I'm horribly pessimistic.

O untimely death, death!

-Durelin

[mormegil]

So maybe I'm blood-thirsty, fanged, hairy, I have fleas (you might be right about that one), and I've been enjoying killing people and frightening you all the past couple nights. Maybe I like seeing you people worked up. Maybe I moonlight as a completely different person (literally) and do horrendous things like egg people's houses and tp their beautiful green lawns, while sometimes leaving bloodied corpses among the grass.

Maybe, or maybe not.

I'll leave you to decide. Now, it's off the the beach with me. I'm very sad to miss the rest of the day's procedings, and my probable sentencing to death. Yes, I know, I'm horribly pessimistic.

O untimely death, death!

-Durelin

I seem to have struck a nerve on this one. I'm not sure what to make of this approach to a defense. I was really hoping for an explination as to why she made such a drastic change. What I get is a "tragic" bemoaning of her woeful fate. It seems to me that in the absence of a good defense Durelin choose to take the "poor me" approach, appealing to our sympathy. I find it hard to give any when two innocents have been slaughtered by wolves and one has been killed by us. With four wolves on the prowl we need to bag one today to even out the odds. With this response from Durelin I'm becoming greatly more suspicious of her.

As for Nilp/Adam. I understand your problems and all. What I would ask is when you do have that limited time...please post something of substance. You could very well be innocent but without something to base that on I fear that we are assuming guilty.

If my timeline is correct we still have about 7 hours to go before our deadline. I will wait a little while to see if my mind changes but right now I think I am going to be voting Durelin.

[the guy who be short]

There are two real comments I wish to respond too.

tgwbs, your suspicions of me seem to have no basis other than that Durelin disagreed with Firefoot's gut instinct about me

The quietness. The lack of substance in posts. I see an under-the-radar strategy here. However, I'm a little less sure of you than I was before, and a little more sure of Kitanna.

It might be nothing at all but is seems to me that he was waiting for somebody else to do that so he wouldn't have to be first. Granted you spoke against him but your choice of words and timing seem suspicious to me. My feelings and logic dictate that we watch him more carefully he's smooth and expert in these matters. He's not to be taken lightly. Probably guilty

Of course I was waiting. I needed to see if others agreed or not, I needed to gague whether the time was right, whether my arguments were persuasive enough. In short, I needed to be sure the little evidence we had was persuasive enough, and it was (though we ended up killing an innocent). I don't like to waste my vote.

I am hardly expert in these matters, having been in but one werewolf-inhabited village before, and quickly slain (though I have risen again).

I am not to be taken lightly.

I am innocent. :p


Not, Kitanna has grabbed my eye - she's garnering a lot of suspicion. I want to lynch:

Oro OR durelin OR Kitanna.

I would like to see what people think about these three, and which one the majority find most likely to be guilty, before voting.

Edit: Ooh, I forgot old Nilpy. Add him to the list, will ya?

Edit II: Of the four, I am most inclined to lynch durelin now, followed by Kitanna, Oro, Nilp. Thoughts?

Edit III: I'm inclined not to kill G-G for lck of substance. I believe one of our original reasons for lynching him was his lack of substance and generally Gil-Galadness, and fear doing so again would simply repeat the mistake.

[Firefoot]

Of the four, I am most inclined to lynch durelin now, followed by Kitanna, Oro, Nilp. Thoughts? I think I'm feeling more inclined to lynch Kitanna first and go from there. However, Durelin's newest post has me intrigued - Morm is right that it has a very different, drastic tone to it that her other posts have not. I'm not sure what to think of that.

And at this point I am leaning away from Nilp's guilt. I am thinking that our wolves (at least three of them) will come from the list of Durelin, Kitanna, Oro, Gil, Kath, and Holbytlass.I'm inclined not to kill G-G for lck of substance. I believe one of our original reasons for lynching him was his lack of substance and generally Gil-Galadness, and fear doing so again would simply repeat the mistake. I don't really know if I agree or not. There are other people higher on my list than Gil right now, and I doubt he will go today. However, I wish he would give us something to go on. At least on Day 1 we knew where he was at. It is this change that has me worried.

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

As for Nilp/Adam. I understand your problems and all. What I would ask is when you do have that limited time...please post something of substance. You could very well be innocent but without something to base that on I fear that we are assuming guilty. (morm)
You're lucky you're not playing with my host, Nilp, for he does worse than post without substance. But I guess each to one's own. :p

But I think I see something here. You want more loudmouths to hide your hide. Perhaps your brush with suspicion yesterday unnerved you, so you need to confuse the innocent populace, to throw them off track. You need more of us here adding our own little suspicions to the pot. I'm looking closely at you, but not enough to merit my vote yet.

Now, the new Gil-galad's lack of substance is different from yesterday's. As Firefoot said, he gives nothing now--no suspicions, no accusions, no vengeance for those responsible for his death yesterday, no nothing. If I did not know better, I'll say Sophia was a wolf, who, sadly, was unable to play. So Mithalwen gave her seat to Gil, which will make him a werewolf. He's now posting in such a way in an effort to hide his new role.

The way the guy bunched together Sophia, me, and Oddwen gives credence to what I just said. I know I am innocent, but you'll be the judge of that. Oddwen was proven innocent. Now, if one (or two!) of the people in those list were to die and be proven innocent, that would leave the last one with a good alibi. I'm looking at the guy closely now, too.

I remain little convinced by what I posted myself, so I'll just for the one who's existence is most unnatural:

++Gil-galad

Sorry, chap. But dead bats shouldn't come back to life the next day (unless a certain cat gave you one of her nine lives, but I doubt that.)

[Holbytlass]

I only have an hour or so to vote. I'm glad we're working our way back. I'd be glad to vote for Kittana or Duerlin, but I'd like to know which one we're going for.

[the guy who be short]

Well, if people have pressing demands, they should vote now. Holbytlass, I'd prefer to vote durelin, and Firefoot (I think) would prefer Kitanna. I'm not hugely bothered, though. Kitanna probably has more suspicion behind her, so

++Kitanna.

[Mithalwen]

Five hours to go.

Stats:

Werewolves 4
Villagers : 7 (including, seer, guardian and hunter).

Vote wisely!!!!! (Or this could be a very short game).

[Gil-Galad]

...The new Gil-Galad is playing for Sophia, so basically i'm almost a new character with no connection to the old one, so your reasons are incorect because its a different person, besides i don't want to voice too much as i did before, cause i got killed, so why would i do it again and get killed again? pretty stupid if yo uask me and i'm not stupid...

I'll have to agree with TGWBS on this one, Kitanna is gaining much suspicion and is beginning to lose my beleif that she is innocent, i beleive Durelin is innocent...so no hard feelings Kitanna

++Kitanna

[Kath]

I realise I haven't been around much today and for that I apologise but RL illness kept me from appearing this morning when I might have had a chance. This is also why this post is short with little explanation. I will give reasons for everyhting I've been accused of tomorrow (if I'm still alive!). I see that Durelin has voted for me. A move which I find odd as reading back over today she hasn't been suspicious of me once. She hadn't mentioned me once in fact.

However, regardless of that and my earlier suspicion of her, I find myself leaning more towards Kitanna's guilt. Also, with a tie anyone of us could end up lynched so I will go with ++Kitanna partly because I feel she is guilty and partly because I would prefer an outright and chosen person to die rather than someone picked at random who is more likely to be innocent.

[Holbytlass]

++kittana

[Gil-Galad]

so far:

Gil-Galad:1

Kitanna:4

[Firefoot]

I'm going to go ahead and vote for ++Kitanna.

I really do hope she is a werewolf... if not, the score tomorrow will be 5-4 :eek:, and if the werewolves should pick the hunter and the hunter chooses wrong, we're all done for... :eek: So, seer, if you happen to know about Kitanna, now would be a good time to let us know (otherwise don't say anything).

I really hope this isn't a mistake...

[the guy who be short]

I would ask the Seer to subtly indicate who they know to be guilty and who they know to be innocent for later examination. Unfortunately, this would make them stand out to the wolves. The Seer must do what they think is wise.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

I'd be glad to vote for Kittana or Duerlin, but I'd like to know which one we're going for.
Do my eyes deceive me entirely? Are we actually plotting out a bandwagon approach? Do you people realize that with bandwagoning as the accepted option, that nobody's vote can seriously be taken as hard evidence? If we all vote the same, wolves can hide. Or was that your plan, Holby?

However, your intricate knowledge of people character is a bit disconcerting to me. You seem to know many of us too well for my liking. As if you know who's guilty and who's innocent.
That I would "know many of us too well" for your liking points to me hitting a nerve.
I did not see that at all. Let me explain: in your prior post, you had revealed the characterizations of several players. I certainly did not pick up on all of them, and I was impressed. Perhaps t'was the same with Morm, eh? Saying "knowledge of people character" was something that I assumed meant characterization, not role. As for the direct challenge, it was day one, and none of us actually knew what we were talking about (save the wolves, as that's a given). Your response, however, seemed to me somewhat more offensive (as in opposite of defense) than was directly called for.

Holby voted for Gil-galad1 on what was publicly explained as NOT being a knee-jerk reaction, but if you look at her post, she only voted for him after

the evidence (that we do have) against Gil-Galad that TGWBS and Feanor has pointed out gives credit to the gut feelings I've been having
This could easily be a knee-jerk reaction coupled with a bandwagoning. Or, of course, there is the option that I'm dead wrong and she's an innocent and I'm seeing "evidence" where it doesn't exist. It could happen.

One other thing that got me was her response to Oddwen. Oddy said that "nothing is definate" about Holbytlass. This was just a boring comment saying that she wasn't particularly suspicious. Holby jumped at it as a chance to declare her innocence once again: "I'm definately not lupine", or something along those lines. It just struck me as odd... It's not like Oddy was accusing her. And then Oddwen died. In a very disturbing way. I'll never look at high powered explosives the same way again. *shudder*

Any how... All of my "evidence" is shoddy. I know that. I'm just trying to qualify the creepy feeling I got when I saw that Holby is so willing to go along with the crowd. On the plus side, now you've all seen my evidence and can point out where I went wrong with it. Or you can get even more suspicous because of it.

Think of it though... Holby is one of the fairly quiet ones that she suspects herself! Also, she doesn't ever make the first move. She waits to see who people suspect, and latches onto the cause. She was one of the "early" voters for Gil, helping cement his first death, and after she got all defensive against Oddwen for an innocent comment, Oddy died. Take from it what you will, but today's vote for me must go to ++Holby.

[Kitanna]

I disagree with you, Morm. I'm not sure why, but I doubt his guilt. I'd hate to see him lynched just because he's smart. Heck, we can use intelligence like his on this sort of mission... quest... thing.
And that'll be the death of you all...

Since it looks like I'm going to die anyway I'm going to go ahead and stick my foot even further into my mouth.

++ mormegil

Over the last day I've been going back and looking over morm's role in all this. I was wary of him on day one and I still am. Him and Gil-Gald1 looked as though they were going to vote for one another, but suddenly both voted for different people. On morm's part he said it was because "I'll give him the benefit of the doubt that he's an innocent." Well if we had all given Gil1 the benefit of the doubt he wouldn't have been lynched. Morm's statement worries and unnerves me. Some are simply riding it off, but I'm going with a Freudian slip. He seems all too certain for my tastes.

Also yesterday he was so sure it was Kath who was our wolf. But day 2 rolls around and then he changed his mind because Gil1 died. She went from number one on his list to simply "possibly guilty".

So I can up with a few theories about him and Kath
1) They're both wolves. Very confident wolves that is. Morm was really the only one pushing for Kath and they both knew not enough people would vote for her. Trying to lead us off the scent.
2) They have a werewolf/mythomaniac relationship. Morm wants her dead, but Kath allies herself with the wolves and then Morm tells us he's let some of his suspcions about her down. Saying he thought she was innocent after voting for her would be rather stupid.

I may not be the brightest penny in the fountain, but I know when something's not right and something is not right with morm.

So go ahead and lynch me, but you're not going even the scores with the wolves.

[Firefoot]

I'm seriously considering changing my vote to Holbytlass. Fea's post makes about as much sense as anything right now. and after she got all defensive against Oddwen for an innocent comment, Oddy died. I had missed this before. All Oddwen said about Holby was "Nothing definite." Then Holby comes back with "Oddwen, I am definite nothing of the lupine persuasion." Holby is either a nervous villager or a defensive werewolf.

Now the million dollar question: if I change my vote, will I be accused of wolvish association with Fea?

Quite possibly. Or, barring that, I'll probably be accused of being a wolf just because I switched.

But I'll go with it. --Kitanna, ++Holbytlass.

[the guy who be short]

Okay, Kitanna's vote really confuses me. A sensible vote for both a wolf and an innocent would be somebody already mentioned, ie Gil or Holby. What do we make of this?

Do my eyes deceive me entirely? Are we actually plotting out a bandwagon approach? Do you people realize that with bandwagoning as the accepted option, that nobody's vote can seriously be taken as hard evidence? If we all vote the same, wolves can hide. Or was that your plan, Holby?
I'm in charge of the bandwaggoning, Fea. We have to organise this. No village has ever had to deal with four wolves before. If the wolves band together in their votes, which is so obviously a bad ida that we could miss it, we'd have four votes for an innocent. That could easily sway the rest of the villagers.
By planning out who we want to vote for and who we think is guilty, we can reach a compromise. This person would be who the majority of people have on their suspect list, if not somebody on the top of everybody's list.
This then means that the wolves cannot influence the vote as much. People don't see "Four votes for person X, he must be guilty" and then get tempted to join in. It also means, if the villagers are striking near to the mark, the wolves cannot use the tactic of accusing one of their fellows (though not voting for them). If somebody is second or third on everybody's list, it is safer to lynch them. A wolf cannot accuse a fellow wolf because then this person's name goes on the list.

I'm not sure how much sense I'm making, but the point is, the idea works. Or should do.

[mormegil]

Currently I would rather vote for Durelin as I mentioned earlier. We have an interesting dynamic in this game where a clear majority needs to be reached. So bandwagoning isn't alltogether a bad thing. But her approach wasn't explained so I see some suspicion in Holby. I will probably vote for either Holby or Kitanna who I have mentioned before as well. Holby is new on my list but Fea's arguement actual does make some sense :eek: .

As for Kitanna's vote for me it's a bit odd and weak evidence at best. At that stage odds are you could pick anybody at random and say they are innocent and be correct. I, however, never stated definatively that Gil1 was innocent but that there is doubt in my mind as to his guilt and I'm giving him the benefit of that doubt. I want to preserve and innocents life and I'm accused based on that... :rolleyes:

Well I shall be back soon and give my vote. Again I'd prefer Durelin today but seemingly the tide is going elsewhere.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

TGWBS: Huh?

Now the million dollar question: if I change my vote, will I be accused of wolvish association with Fea?
Probably. After all, I've already "slipped" in telling everyone I'm a wolf. ;) :p In all seriousness right here: I just want you to remember that I'm not at all certain on Holby. There's an extremely good chance that all my seemingly shoddy evidence is just that: shoddy. But she's the one I suspect most. After her, it would probably be Mormegil. After him (and weirdly enough, I agree with him on this one), it would be Durelin. Morm could be a very clever werewolf hiding himself in plain sight. If he's a wolf, he's probably laughing his head off because so many people suspect him, but nobody's doing anything. On the other hand, if he's innocent, he's probably not laughing, and is probably thinking "Thank God they aren't voting for me. That would seriously shorten this game."

[the guy who be short]

TGWBS: Huh?

Let me try to explain better.

Say that all the villagers think Feanor (;)) seems guilty. However, every member thinks somebody else seems even more guilty than Feanor. TGWBS thinks durelin is guiltier than Feanor, but think mormegil is innocent. Kath thinks mormegil seems guiltier than Feanor, but thinks durelin is innocent.

Normally, in this scenario, TGWBS would vote for durelin and Kath for mormegil. Votes would be spread out. Even though there was very real suspicion of Feanor in all minds, nobody votes for her.

It seems that a lot of us think Kitanna seems guilty, and I am certainly one of them. I believe durelin seems guilter than her, but have compromised and voted Kitanna instead, as a greater number of villagers think she is likely to be a wolf.

Comprendrez?

Additionally, this makes it hard for wolves to "point fingers" at one another as they often do, because as soon as they make an accusation, that person has one more "point," and so is more likely to be voted for by consensus and compromise.

The flaw I see with my plan is that all four wolves could name an innocent as a suspect so we could see this innocent lynched as a result. However, for the moment, I am still willing to compromise with the death of Kitanna.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Additionally, this makes it hard for wolves to "point fingers" at one another as they often do, because as soon as they make an accusation, that person has one more "point," and so is more likely to be voted for by consensus and compromise. You realize that if the wolves decide to sacrifice one of their own, your plan is shot?

[mormegil]

I've thought about it a lot and reviewed the posts. While I am still highly suspicious of Kitanna and now Holbytlass I think I am going to vote for the person I find the greatest amount of evidence that she is a wolf.

++DURELIN

I realize that a consensus would help us out but I think that Kitanna is contributing more to our theories (even though I'm her suspect) than Durelin. Also Durelin's quick change and poor me approach raised many red flags that I think need to be addressed. I'm not willing to let her fly under the radar any longer. I suggest those who have voted for others look at changing their vote to Durelin. We can look long and hard at both Kitanna, Holbytlass, myself et al tomorrow. I vote Durelin and hope I am not wrong about her.

[the guy who be short]

You realize that if the wolves decide to sacrifice one of their own, your plan is shot?
Who cares? The point is about getting a wolf now. If they sacrifice one of their own at this stage, I don't really care, because we're still getting that wolf and preventing us from dealing with horrible odds tomorrow.

Mormegil: durelin does indeed look suspicious, and unless something changes, I for one will be pushing for her lynching tomorrow. As you said, though, consensus is quite vital at this stage.

Kitanna still has a majority of votes, and I don't think that's changing. However, if you think Holby looks more wolfy than Kitanna, be tactical and vote for her! She has a chance of being lynched, at least. I don't think a vote for durelin at this point will have any effect.

To clarify: I don't want to implement the plan I have laid out below tomorrow due to the two big gaping holes in it. I simply think it's better to use it now, for one day, to bag us that werewolf.

[mormegil]

As it stands now


Kath: 1
Mormegil:1
Gil-Galad: 1
Durelin: 1
Holbytlass: 2
Kitanna: 4

Only one person hasn't voted yet...Oro. So without people changing their votes no clear majority will be reached. We have around one hour (I think) to make our decision. While I am reluctant to change my vote but willing if need arises. It seems that need is arising. I am still torn on who to vote between our front runners Holby and Kitanna. I will review a bit more and come to a decision soon. I am open to discussion on who I should change to, if I change at all, but most likely I will. I know that suspicion will be garnered due to a change, but I'd rather get somebody we all feel is guilty than have somebody killed at random.

[the guy who be short]

morm, according to the most recent rules, an overall majority is not required, so Kitanna will still be killed unless some people change their votes.

It seems likes Kitanna will die. If she is a wolf, I will most probably be slain during the night. If she is innocent, our odds will be horribly reduced and I shall be spared so that I may be lynched during the Day.

Tomorrow, I would like to Seer to openly declare their dreams to date. At night, the Guardian must protect the Seer.
If the Seer dreams of a wolf, everybody should obviously lynch the wolf.
If the Seer dreams of an innocent, people know not to vote for the innocent. Additionally, the wolves will be forced to kill the known innocent during the night, thereby stopping them from killing the Guardian.
If the Seer dreams of the Hunter, they should use their judgement. If they think the Hunter has good judgement, declare the Hunter to be innocent. The wolves will then kill the Hunter during the night, and the Hnter will kill somebody to go with them. Hopefully this will be a wolf. If the Seer considers the Hunter to have poor judgement, do what you will.
If the Seer dreams of the Guardian, say nothing. The Guardian is who the plan revolves around. If the Guardian is slain, the Seer dies the next day. However, even this is permissable, as the Seer will have one more night to dream.

I've thought that plan through. If anybody sees flaws, please tell us as quickly as possible.
Should Kitanna be innocent, the plan must be implemented. Should Kitanna be a wolf, the need is less dire, but it would be helpful all the same.

[mormegil]

It's a desperate plan but I think it's the best we have for our desperate situation. It would give us a good idea who either the wolves are or who some innocents are. Two drawbacks. We loose the seer the next night but get some good knowledge from him/her. If either seer or guardian are killed the whole plan crumbles. Would it be worth the risk for the seer to declare him/herself tomorrow if the guardian dies tonight?

I will change my vote...after reading it through and checking back posts I'm as convinced of Holby as I am Durelin. Kitanna's a close third but I think we can wait for the seer to dream of her tonight and hopefully disclose her identity tomorrow.

--Durelin

++Holbytlass

[mormegil]

Kath: 1
Mormegil:1
Gil-Galad: 1
Holbytlass: 3
Kitanna: 4

Oro still hasn't voted.

[Holbytlass]

For the good of the village, and since TGWBS's plan is good (as good as any) and since we don't know if Oro will be able to vote and since I don't know if Kittana is gifted or not, I only know about me.

--KITTANA
++HOLBYTLASS

I am allowed to commit suicide. Goodluck, think better of me

[Orominuialwen]

Well, at this point it doesn't seem to really matter what my suspicions are, but for the record, I find both Kitanna and Holbytlass fishy. I'd been agonizing over which way to vote, but it seems that I now have a clear reason to vote for one of them. It would be much better to vote for one of the people I find suspicious and have a possible wolf get lynched than vote for anybody else and greatly increase the chances of killing an innocent through a tie. Only the wolves would relish that. In fact, that makes me wary of morm. Did he change his vote hoping that I too would vote for Holbytlass, thus causing a tie, which would probably kill an innocent and save Kitanna? Could her suspicions of him all be a bluff in order to distance the wolvish pair? I don't have the answers, but I'll take the possibility of lynching a wolf over the probability of killing an innocent and vote ++Kitanna.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

--Holbytlass!!!

Due to something that I've only just realized, I cannot in good conscience kill Holbytlass. She slipped something earlier that caught my attention, but I had assumed it was a wolf bluff.

I put forth my idea of werewolf hunting
or something to that effect. Now that she is willing to kill herself, either she is a wolf who is trying to secure a random lynching, or she is the Huntress, and she has a target. I am leaning towards the idea that she is Huntress, and we cannot afford to kill a gifted villager when the ratio of wolves to villagers is so slim. Most especially when we cannot be sure of the Huntress's target. It would be absolutely disastrous if two innocents were accidentally slain because of my faulty evidence. I hesitated to post my reasoning for changing my vote, because I am afraid of what the wolves will now do, but given what she has so publicly done (voted for herself), I am sure I am not the only one who just swore colorfully.

I have to change my vote and go with the crowd on this: ++Kitanna. I would vote my true suspicion, Mormegil, but I am terrified to see the result of a tied vote, most especially between three people, where I highly suspect that one takes out someone with her.

[Firefoot]

:eek:

I think we can now be fairly certain that Holbytlass is innocent - we were about to lynch Kitanna, and if Holbytlass were a wolf, I think it would be likely that Kitanna would be innocent because why would a wolf sacrifice herself? If Kitanna were innocent, a wolf wouldn't do that anyway, and if Kitanna were a wolf we would know that, too.

We have:

1 Guardian
1 Hunter
1 Seer
4 Wolves
4 Ordinary Villagers

The two we really need to protect here are the Guardian and Seer; we have twice as good a shot of killing a werewolf than one of them. The hunter would kill one other person anyway.

I do not see that it is at all in our interest to lynch an innocent villager at this point. Holbytlass could be a wolf living on the edge, but I highly doubt it. Hence, --Holbytlass, ++Kitanna.

(I don't see anything that says I can't change my vote twice. :p )

Edit: I see Fea has gone the same way I have...

Edit II: Kitanna now has 6 votes - there's no turning back now...

[Mithalwen]

Pause while Mithalwen double checks

[Mithalwen]

Kath has not voted

[Mithalwen]

Voting stays open +injury time (Me checking.)

[mormegil]

Kath did vote here in post 112 (http://www.forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=397544&postcount=112) .

[Mithalwen]

Sorry just found it...

For future please put votes on a separate line ... my poor dead eyes are struggling

[Mithalwen]

However Kit has only 5 votes by my reckoning
Holby has 3
Morm, gil and Kath 1 each

[Mithalwen]

Due to Firefoots wrong call Voting will stay open until 7.30

[mormegil]

Did you get Firefoot's change in 134? and Fea's in 133? I believe I am the only person left voting Holbytlass and they switched from her to Kitanna.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Todays votes (I promise they're accurate):

1 vote for Gil-Galad
1 vote for Mormegil
1 vote for Kath
2 votes for Holby
6 votes for Kitanna

Kitty looks to be lynched, m'lady mod.

[Mithalwen]

OK So I missed the double shuffle...... Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr Firefoot....anyway ;)

NEW RULE PUT YOUR VOTES ON A SEPARATE LINE OR DIE ....

Who decided retractable votes were a good idea?

Oh that was me...


I usually earn my corn doing Accounts and bear in mind there is only one accountancy joke.

What's 2+2?
What do you want it to be?

:D

[mormegil]

Todays votes (I promise they're accurate):

1 vote for Gil-Galad
1 vote for Mormegil
1 vote for Kath
2 votes for Holby
6 votes for Kitanna

Kitty looks to be lynched, m'lady mod.

It's merely semantics but there are 7 votes for Kitanna

TGWBS
Gil
Kath
Holbytlass
Firefoot
Fea
Oro

and one for Morm, Kath,Gil and Holybtlass

[Mithalwen]

Whole I no longer dispute the result

The vote on my umpteenth check is

Kitanna:

Firefoot
Fea
TGWBS
Gil
Kath
Oro

Holbytlass

Mormegil
Holbytlass

Mormegil

Kitanna

Gil Galad
Nilp

Kath

Durelin


The bloodthirsty need only wait a few moments.

[Mithalwen]

All through the day arguments had raged and despite Holbytlass's noble attempt to lay down her life to save her, the mob would not be assuaged. The feisty former hot dog saleswoman and lingerie buyer turned bailiff was doomed.

A few of the villagers hung back but there were enough certain to make what happened inevitable and they dragged her to the gallows and put the noose about her neck.

Just before they released her the words she had used earlier in an attempt to save her skin rang out:

"So go ahead and lynch me, but you're not going even the scores with the wolves"

Her body fell there was a swift crack, Kitanna's body jerked, there were a few soft thuds and a louder "plink" as items fell from her pockets. Then nothing.

The lynch mob got closer. After last night they weren't taking any chances after last night. But it was clear she was completely dead, she had ceased to be, she had joined the choir eternal and very shortly her mortal remains would lie in a grave alongside those of Mithalwen and Oddwen (the later was not particularly large as there had not been so much left to bury alas).

On the ground were a handful of sugar plums and a scrying glass.

Kitanna had not only been innocent. She had been the seer.

Night has fallen. It lasts until 8pm tomorrow unless I hear from all necessary parties sooner .

Guardian

Wolves

Hunter (please - just in case it would be helpful to know who you will take with you in the event of your death)

[Mithalwen]

Wolves 4 Villagers 6.

[Mithalwen]

Day dawned rather earlier thatn expected in Midsomer Mawlin and the villagers awoke to a new horror. Well it was new to five of them, to four it would have been familiar and the tenth - well they had gained intimate knowledge of the horror... but they weren't going to be able to tell anyone about it.

On the village green by the gallows was a tall tank with a number of unbelievably fat piranha fish burping as they basked in relatively shallow water. On teh surface floated a homburg hat that everyone recognised as belonging to Durelin. They ran to her cottage - decorated with an interesting mixture of gallic and oriental influences - and found neau trace erv their fellow villager. The did find teaumes of arcane knowledge on lycanthropy and papers with complicated calculations.

Durelin had been trying to protect them but had been unable to protect herself.

Wolves 4 Villagers 5. Enoeuf said?

Dead

Mithalwen - Killed by wolves
Gil-Galad(1)- Lynched
Oddwen- Killed by wolves
Kitanna (Seer) - Lynched
Durelin (Guardian)- Killed by wolves

Living

Mormegil
Firefoot
Feanor
Holbytlass
TGWBS
Gil-Galad (2)
Kath
Orominuialwen
Nilpaurion Felagund.

Day ends at 1.45pm tomorrow unless a clear majortiy (5) is reached before.

Please make you votes on a separate line and do not hide them in a paragraph.

Thank you

[Gil-Galad]

well now...this is looking like a massacre too me...

[the guy who be short]

And the plan is in fetters.

I shall be back to post shortly. I have very conclusive evidence against mormegil. I shall be voting for him next post, as well as giving reasoning for his guilt and defending what appears to be an accusation against me.

[Gil-Galad]

hmmm...Durelin is dead and the two people that voted againest him were Mormegil and Kath! maybe they are werewolves wanting to get rid of him?...makes me think...

[Firefoot]

No seer, and no guardian, and only a one person advantage over the wolves. All the villagers will need to vote for the same wolf for this to work.

Having since gone through the thread again, one thing that I've noticed is that our seer Kitanna seemed quite certain that Morm was a wolf. This may be our best bet for catching a wolf.

I think that we can be quite certain as well that Holbytlass is innocent, else she would not have changed her vote to herself when an innocent was about to die.

We should also be looking at who Durelin's partner the hunter may have been. The more innocents that we can figure on, the better our chances of catching a wolf will be.

[the guy who be short]

So it begins.

Yes, mormegil, are you afraid of Holbytlass learning something about you? Something dangerous and possibly deadly?
She voices suspicion of mormegil. She is to dream of him that night.

Day two:
I'm not sure how I can put this, but I will try. Morm says he'll give Gil the benefit of the doubt and that "he is an inexperienced innocent" and then it turns out Gil (the first that is) really was an innocent. Maybe Morm was telling the truth and thought Gil was innocent. Or maybe he knew something the rest of us didn't. This could all be a coinedence or Morm just slipped in his keeping his identity a secret. I can't say for sure, at this point I will say I'm still suspcious of Morm as I was yesterday.
Here she identifies morm as her chief suspect.
Later:
I have a bad feeling about Morm, one which I can't quite explain. It was probably a coinedence, but I'm still watching him a little closer now.
A bad feeling? A dream.

Her last post:
I may not be the brightest penny in the fountain, but I know when something's not right and something is not right with morm.
So I can up with a few theories about him and Kath
1) They're both wolves....
2) They have a werewolf/mythomaniac relationship....
I think her use of the word theory shows that Kath's guilt is not definite at all.

I'm not waiting any longer.

++mormegil

Now, on to other things.
In her last post, strangely, Kitanna accuses me. Fea says we should keep me around, to which Kitanna replies: And that'll be the death of you all.... However, I say this was pure speculation. She saw me as the ringleader in killing G-G1, which I was, and the ringleader in accusing her and durelin, which I was. She therefore thought I was a wolf.
I think Kitanna dreamt of durelin on night one, which is how she came to this conclusion.
In any case, Kitanna did not, unfortunately, explicitly defend anybody, so we have no known innocents.

The deaths. These are to frame me. I was the ringerleader in lynching G-G, as I said, and I was wrong. I was the ringleaderin lynching Kitanna, and I was wrong. I was most suspicious of durelin, and once again, I was wrong.
The wolves chose to kill durelin to frame me, this is clear. "Look, all ye people! TGWBS wanted to kill three innocents!"
All I can say is, I have erred, and I am sorry. Twice I have lead us into utter ruin. The third time pays for all. Consider the above evidence, and vote wisely.

I shall return soon to post an analysis of durelin's and mormegil's posts. By the way, G-G, durelin's a she. ;)

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

++Mormegil,

I suggest explaining yourself. Now. Though I doubt it will change my mind about the fact that you're a sneaky, vicious, bloody WOLF.

[Firefoot]

++Mormegil

I was coming to some of the same conclusions as TGWBS even as he posted them. I don't think there can be a lot of doubt...

[Holbytlass]

Okay, now to explain myself....

I was fine with Kittana getting it at first, I voted for her early on.
But Mormegil has been nagging in the back of my mind since day one, but how can I doubt him when he and I had ideas along the same line. When I got a quick look I saw her and I were pretty close, than I saw TGWBS's plan. And for some reason it clicked. I didn't have time to get evidence against Morm but I knew I could save Kittana by voting myself, better a regular villager than a maybe gifted villager. I'm sorry that stupid wording of mine made a couple people change their votes.

++MORMEGIL

[Firefoot]

(Note: this is based on Mormegil's guilt, which remains to be officially proven.)

I am starting to wonder whether TGWBS hasn't done a fantastic job of covering his tracks. He and Morm have done some light accusing of each other, about the right amount for two werewolves who don't want to be associated with each other. However, TGWBS has also done some defending of Morm. This is one of two things: a) a wolvish slip or b) innocent confusion and genuine desire to only lynch innocents. I do wonder if his accusations of Morm are a huge bluff - point out one (now fairly obvious) wolf and thereby clear himself. Then there is Kitanna's comment to wonder about - did she dream about him, or was it just suspicion? If - this is a big if - TGWBS was a wolf, he would be playing an extremely tenuous bluffing game, but I have little doubt that he could pull it off.

I just wanted to put this out there, since the day seems likely to be a short one and in case I should be mauled tonight. I have no idea how much truth is in this; he may be an innocent and a very helpful one at that. I couldn't tell you.

Edit - one more point I left off. TGWBS found it necessary to point out in his very first post that he was "obviously innocent." Hmm...

[mormegil]

In post 87 (http://www.forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=397416&postcount=87) Kitanna admits openly that her suspicions of me are mere speculation. She states that it’s nothing concrete so she obviously didn’t dream about me.

Post 95 (http://www.forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=397473&postcount=95) Kitanna admits she is a moron. I don’t believe her to be such but apparently she lacks confidence in herself and her ideas. In the same thread she admitted that she had Gil-Galad pegged down as guilty which we know isn’t true. Point is the seer is not infallible and just because she suspects somebody doesn’t make them a wolf.

In post 118 (http://www.forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=397577&postcount=118) she knew she was probably going to die and how did she word her decision to vote for me? “I’m going to stick my foot further in my mouth”. That to me doesn’t sound like somebody who is sure of herself. The only reason she gave to vote for me is because I gave Gil the benefit of the doubt and my suspicions of Kath have been put on the back burner due to others who I find more suspicious now. My defense for why I voted Kath and not Gil I have previously explained in post 121 (http://www.forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=397582&postcount=121) . Many others have changed their minds on who to vote for. I wrote off Gil’s behavior to an overzealous innocent with a general lack of experience. I was correct many others weren’t. If deducing innocence and guilt is a cause for suspicion we may as well roll over and die and let the wolves take over.

As far as my vote for Kath and lowering my suspicions of her I have explained that briefly but will do so in a bit more detail. When yesterday started I kept my eye on her and waited to see what she would do. Then I found some rather large areas of suspicion in Durelin and others. Shortly after some suspicious behavior was pointed out by Fea regarding Holbytlass. Now as TGWBS and I discussed consensus was important at this stage. Holbytlass had garnered some votes so I felt more confident in voting for her than Durelin, hoping that other might change their votes. I was still under the impression, until TGWBS pointed it out otherwise, that we needed a overall majority of 6 to ensure the lynching. Again I found Holbytlass and Durelin more suspicious than Kitanna and I was correct again in presuming innocence. Would that others had followed my lead and not lynched Kitanna. Holbytlass whether innocent or guilty is not as important to us as our precious seer is. Firefoot and Fea were rather Fickle in the matter and should be examined closely.

It is puzzling to me that after TGWBS put out a plan to protect the seer Kitanna didn’t openly proclaim herself. Would we have believed her? I’m not sure, but if I were the seer and knew that I was heading for the gallows I would say with no room for doubt that I dreamt of so and so and he/she is guilty or innocent. She did neither. But merely suggested that she didn’t have a good feeling about me. If that alone isn’t enough evidence not to lynch me automatically then please read carefully

I’m not saying don’t kill me today but don’t make it a rash decision based on inconclusive evidence from our seer. Look back at my actions and decide for yourself if they are suspicious or if I have been a contributing member to out village. I do not make it a habit to defend myself with great zeal but I found it necessary to prepare this during NIGHT so that I could have it ready at the start of the day, knowing that the wolves won’t want such an easy target out of the way for today’s lynchings.

Now I see that TGWBS is saying this

Now, on to other things.
In her last post, strangely, Kitanna accuses me. Fea says we should keep me around, to which Kitanna replies:
Quote:
And that'll be the death of you all...

. However, I say this was pure speculation. She saw me as the ringleader in killing G-G1, which I was, and the ringleader in accusing her and durelin, which I was. She therefore thought I was a wolf.
I think Kitanna dreamt of durelin on night one, which is how she came to this conclusion.
In any case, Kitanna did not, unfortunately, explicitly defend anybody, so we have no known innocets

I can see that he also see that perhaps what was said by Kitanna is true speculation. Look at him closely too please.

I'm also surprised at how willing everybody is to kill me without so much as hearing anything I have to say. Wolfish behavior is afoot here.

[Kath]

Durelin is dead and the two people that voted againest him were Mormegil and Kath

No Gil2, I voted for Kitanna.

On to today, TGWBS has some seriously good accusations against Morm and after the revelation that Kitanna was in fact the Seer a read back over her posts does show some things in a different light. I find it hard to argue with any of what he (TGWBS) has said but I think it would be fair for us to listen to what Mormegil has to say first. However, if he can't explain himself in a way that makes sense and shows someone else as a wolf with good reasons then I will not hesitate to vote for him.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

If - this is a big if - TGWBS was a wolf, he would be playing an extremely tenuous bluffing game, but I have little doubt that he could pull it off.
You have no idea how hard I would kick myself if it were true that the other wolves were the first accusers. We've all been wondering which voting place is most suspicious (I had it pegged as second, since you can't be called on for "starting" the vote, nor can you really be called for bandwagoning), but wouldn't it be a huge slap in the face if it was staring at us the whole time?

However... I'm still not sure about TGWBS. He makes me nervous, but no more nervous than Holby. I was certain that she's Huntress, and yet she denies it. It could be a simple bluff to try and divert the wolves' attention, it could be a wolf messing with us, or she could just be a simple villager and I'm dead wrong. I think they are both forces to be reckoned with, but at the same time, I think that the wolves should be the ones worried, not the villagers.

I also much register concern over Gil-Galad the Thunder Mistress and Adam/Nilp. Nilp is in a far different time zone, so it's fairly late at night for him, if I'm not mistaken. I doubt we'll see him today. But I would hate it if he were a wolf hiding behind geography. Gil, on the other hand, is around, but never posts as long-windedly as the rest of us. Gil, what are your suspicions?

Kath... I'm very worried about Kath right now. If Mormegil is the wolf that I think he is, we've got a very high chance of her being another, or a mytho. At the same time... why would two wolves go out of their way to accuse each other on day one?

Oro is relatively quiet... I don't think she's guilty, but I won't rule it out. She seems so sincere that either she's actually that sincere, or she just wants us to believe she is.

Firefoot... Now here's a dilemma. I believe just about every word she says, and that makes me nervous. I'm usually so careful to be cynically aloof, and yet she makes a lot of sense. If she's right, than TGWBS needs to be watched... very closely.

I don't know what to think any more. The only thing I really feel strongly about right now is Mormegil, and that he's our biggest threat. After him, it's probably Kath, but it's so disturbing what Footie said that I'm really suspicious of TGWBS now...

[the guy who be short]

In this post I shall analyse everything durelin said and attempt to come to a conclusion about the Hunter. I have no fear in doing so, for the wolves will undoubtably study the facts too. If they deduce who the Hunter is, it makes sense for us to do so too, just so we have that one known innocent.

What smiles? I mean, my goodness, why would I smile at you, Fea.
This I find fascinating. The first person she mentions if Fea. Could Fea be the Hunter? Certainly she's been the person who has focussed on the Hunter most (claiming it is Holbytlass). I find it very likely.

Both the guy who be short and mormegil were very quick in their responses...it's interesting that they jumped on the case so quickly, while it takes most of us a little longer to get out of bed. Perhaps they did not sleep well last night, due to...*coughs* 'celebrating'?
Note: I later pointed out that my quickness was entirely innocent. However, these accusations tell us that I am not the Hunter, and nor is morm.

Concerning suspicions about Firefoot, she strangely voted for Oro
Strangely. Oro could be the Hunter.
However, later she says of Oro: Kinda a weak defense, and she has been pretty defensive from the start... Going with the crowd like them could point to guilt or innocence. Depends on how you read it.
So, Oro is probably not the Hunter.

First, let's start with Holbytlass. She's been pretty straightforward in most of her posts, though she's been a little defensive...though really everyone has, I suppose, to varying degrees.
Supports the Fea-idea that Holbytlass is the Hunter.

So...Oro, I, and Holbytlass seem to be getting some suspicion...
A potential defence of Oro and Holbytlass, so one of them could be the Hunter.

She voted Kath. Kath is not the Hunter.

So, this is ambiguous. As it is ambiguous, change of plan, I will not decide on who the Hunter is, as this could help the wolves. However:
mormegil, Kath and I are definitely not the Hunter.

The evidence indicates that Oro or Holbytlass is the Hunter. I now lean to the innocence of both, though I feel I will need to verify this by checking up Oro's posts later. In any case, I would take these two to be likely innocents.

Again, I have no fear of doing this as the wolves will doubtless do the same. I am not going to extrapolate further as the evidence is ambiguous, and thus it will be helpful to leave the Hunter for now unnamed. Certainly the wolves will now fear to kill these two, which I deem a good thing.

Edit: Morm's posts next.

[Firefoot]

I'm so confused... :confused:

The only person I feel any reasonable degree of confidence about right now is Fea. (Heh, she's probably a wolf now that I've said that. :rolleyes: )

On Day 1, Morm is right that Kitanna admits to her accusations of him being speculations (I had missed that, even though I was looking for it). So, what of Day 2? If Kitanna was so suspicious of him, did she dream about him?

It seems to me that Kitanna did not, unfortunatly, come online once she gave her last post (and vote), and so did not find out about TGWBS's plan.

There are four people that I have said nothing of today: Gil, Nilp, Kath, and Oro. I am probably most inclined to think that Kath is a wolf; however, if Kath was a wolf, I doubt Morm is, unless a) they're playing at a bluffing game, or b) Kath was the mytho and turned wolf. And, oddly enough, Morm and Kath are quite suspicious of each other on Day 1, but then... basically nothing. TGWBS accuses Kath on Day 1, then defends her on Day 2.

Also interesting is that both Morm and Kath went onto TGWBS's "probably innocent" list (bottom Page 2).

I'd like to hear from TGWBS... I'm becoming ever more convinced that he may be a wolf, even though his analyses mostly make sense. I'm also starting to become convinced that Kath is our mytho...

[the guy who be short]

Firefoot, I am a fickle person. My theories can change with a single post.

The reason I madea huge about-turn on Day 2 was the death of Oddwen. It seemed to me that the wolves were killing a quiet villager so as not to affect how the village was thinking. This meant the village was thinking wrong, and were accusing innocents. The people we accused most on Day 1, after G-G, were Kath and morm, thus their falling to the ranks of "innocent".

However, top of page 4, (same day, but some time later; he could have changed his mind, I suppose), Morm is on the top of his list for lynching the next day.
I can't find this post. Please link, or tell us the post number.

[Firefoot]

Oh, talk about confusion. It doesn't say what I thought it said after all. :rolleyes: I was referencing this:Mormegil: durelin does indeed look suspicious, and unless something changes, I for one will be pushing for her lynching tomorrow. I missed the word "Durelin" and misread "her" for "his." I thought you were talking about Morm, not to him. :o Well, that eases my mind at least a bit.

Sorry about that.

[mormegil]

Oh, talk about confusion. It doesn't say what I thought it said after all. :rolleyes: I was referencing this: I missed the word "Durelin" and misread "her" for "his." I thought you were talking about Morm, not to him. :o Well, that eases my mind at least a bit.

Sorry about that.

I'm rather confused as to what this means?

[Firefoot]

Basically, I thought that TGWBS said:

"Mormegil: does indeed look suspicious, and unless something changes, I for one will be pushing for his lynching tomorrow."

It definitely changes the meaning.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Mormegil... your evidence against our Seer's certainty is even more shoddy (hard to believe, yes?) than mine was yesterday for Holbytlass. And now you're trying to... what? Firefoot misread something. Do you condemn her for it? You're the one who was all for forgiving innocent mistakes a few days ago (remember Gil's over-eager kill-morm-now approach?). It looks to me like you're grasping at straws, trying to take down an innocent with you.

[mormegil]

Fea calm down...wait did I ask Fea to calm down? That would be next to impossible wouldn't it :rolleyes: . All I was saying is that I'm confused and I want some clarification so as to not misread it myself.

[the guy who be short]

An analysis of mormegil's posts. These will be divided into:

1) posts pointing to morm's guilt
2) posts where morm defends others who could be wolves
3) posts where morm accuses others who could be innocent

Posts pointing to his guilt:
Agreed Mr Gil-man.Do you feel a twinge of guilt upon that canine conscience of yours?
As soon as Holbytlass accuses G-G, morm jumps in. However, I also did the same.

Kitanna... most likely guilty

Durelin... probable wolf...Currently I would rather vote for Durelin as I mentioned earlier.

Posts defending others:
Now Durelin you are wise in your discussion here. I see that you have not narrowed you view solely to Firefoot and me.
Firefoot guilty alongside him? I find it hard to believe.
Firefoot... Probably not guilty
Hmmm.
He also defends Fea and Holbytlass. I am actually inclined to believe all 3to be innocent, but this evidence should not be discounted.

Please Gil give us something of substance. We all seem to be getting weary of those who aren't contributing much by way of substance and I'd hate to have my suspicions of you based on that alone. What I'm saying is that I don't find you suspicious because you haven't said anything yet but that will not last too long if it continues thusly.
As for Nilp/Adam. I understand your problems and all. What I would ask is when you do have that limited time...please post something of substance. You could very well be innocent but without something to base that on I fear that we are assuming guilty

Possibly a warning. "Make sense or they'll lynch you!"

Posts accusing others:
However, you intricate knowledge of people character is a bit disconcerting to me. You seem to know many of us too well for my liking. As if you know who's guilty and who's innocent.
About Holbtylass at the beginning of Day 1. Wolves are unlikely to point t one another so early. This strengthens the Holbytlass-innocence case.

Oro... possibly guilty.
I now think she is most likely innocent.

I see some suspicion in Holby. I will probably vote for either Holby or Kitanna
He later changes his vote to Holby.

From this the only thing I think I really support fully is that Holby is innocent.

[mormegil]

Is anyone else not convinced that the lack of conviction in Kitanna's post meant that she actually didn't dream of me? Seriously I want to point out that you are making a big mistake in rushing into this vote (our most critical yet). Based on an uneasy feeling from our seer. Never once did she proclaim me as unequivocally guilty. If she had dreamt of me and was going to die why wouldn't she do that?

[the guy who be short]

She went off before she died and didn't get back until after the deed was done. If she had come back, she could possibly have told us she was the Seer and the tragedy could have been averted. As it stands, she was unable to return and tell us her dreams. However, as I have said, I find it most likely that:

Night 1: Holbytlass - innocent / Hunter
Night 2 - mormegil - werewolf

The conviction is certainly sufficient for me.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

If she had dreamt of me and was going to die why wouldn't she do that? Perhaps she was unavoidably detained? However, much as I hate to admit it... you have a point.

EDIT: cross posted with TGWBS

[mormegil]

However at the time of her depature she already had 4 votes, a near majority.

[the guy who be short]

If she had dreamt of anybody, which she must have, she should have returned and said they were innocent.

I’m not saying don’t kill me today
:D :p :rolleyes:

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Perhaps she assumed (wrongly, as it were) that we would catch the hint and change our votes, without her having to compromise her safety?

[the guy who be short]

Perhaps she assumed (wrongly, as it were) that we would catch the hint and change our votes, without her having to compromise her safety?

Actually leaving a hint would be a good idea in this scenario. :p

[mormegil]

But we were at a stage in the game where we still had our guardian and killing a wolf was essential. She could have said who her dreams were of and dreamt once more and proclaimed it today then the wolves would have killed her tonight but at least we would have a better idea who our friends and foes are.

[the guy who be short]

But we were at a stage in the game where we still had our guardian and killing a wolf was essential.
Handy, but not essential. Now, it's essential.

And nobody else is arguing with what you're saying. She should have told us her dreams. She didn't, and the likelihood is that she dreamt of you and you're a wolf. Simple. Without anything to say otherwise, I'm morethan willing to go on that.

Coming soon... A defence of He Who Is Short.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Actually leaving a hint would be a good idea in this scenario. :p
Upon reflection, I consider changing from "I think these three are guilty" to "He's the guilty one", voting for him against the tide, and saying that she "put her foot in her mouth" as pretty decent hints. Obviously not good enough for us thick-headed louts to figure out, but such is life, yes?

[mormegil]

Coming soon... A defence of He Who Is Short.

No need to waste your time on that. Nobody listens. I'll simply vouch for your innocence and lead myself to the gallows.

[the guy who be short]

Firstly, and most importantly, I deem, my plan for the Seer to openly declare themself and for the Guardian to protect them. I asked all who found faults to speak, and none did. The plan would have worked. Why would a wolf wantto implement such a plan?

I am starting to wonder whether TGWBS hasn't done a fantastic job of covering his tracks. He and Morm have done some light accusing of each other, about the right amount for two werewolves who don't want to be associated with each other. However, TGWBS has also done some defending of Morm.
Light accusing? He was in my top three at one point, with Kath and G-G.
I have given reason for the sudden defence above.

Point out one (now fairly obvious) wolf and thereby clear himself.
Nope, I fully expected to come under heavy fire today, for my choices do seem wolvish, I'll admit. I fully expect to continue to come under fire. Likely I will be spared to the end, such is the evidence that can be accumulated against me. It is foolish to ask of trust here, so I shall not, but I will attempt to defend myself as fully as possible, now and in the future. We cannot afford to lynch an innocent.

TGWBS found it necessary to point out in his very first post that he was "obviously innocent." Hmm...
As I said, wrong choices in the past meant it would be very easy to look at facts, such as who I wanted to lynch, and use them against me. I knew this would happen (likely started by wolves) and sought to defend myself before it started.

You have no idea how hard I would kick myself if it were true that the other wolves were the first accusers.
I was the first accuser of Kitanna and G-G, and accused durelin (the death of which seems to be a set up). For a wolf to lead the charge against an innocent once is understandable, twice is utter stupidity.

That's it. Believe what you want. I shall draw my own conclusions too. At the moment, what is clearest and most obvious is the guilt of mormegil.

Edit: No need to waste your time on that. Nobody listens. I'll simply vouch for your innocence and lead myself to the gallows.
Thank you. :) I hope to see the double plus sign followed by your own name soon.

Anyway. I think he's trying to "pull a Holby," to coin a phrase.

[mormegil]

Thank you. I hope to see the double plus sign followed by your own name soon.


Unsure if it's been done but I will take my own life in my own fashion

++MORMEGIL

I have a sword handy I can cast myself upon.

[mormegil]

That's 5 votes for me my fate is sealed.

[the guy who be short]

Wonderful. :D

Morm, whatever you do, it is painstakingly obvious that you are a wolf. Nothing you do will change that. Sorry. I speak for myself, and hopefully for the rest of us, when I say our votes will not be changing, no matter how dramatic a show you put on.

[mormegil]

I'm not asking you to change your votes. I am merely going to die on my own terms.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

In order to save our lovely mod some time (and eyesight) here are the final votes:

5/9 go to Mormegil. Voting for him were: Firefoot, Fea, TGWBS, Holby, and Morm himself.

Your martyrdom is touching, though entirely unbelievable.

[Firefoot]

Thus we either seal our doom or postpone it.

The only problem with such a short day is we don't get to hear from about half our villagers - four, to be precise, and the very four which we don't know about. Alas.

TGWBS, your defence is fairly satisfactory. I'll be checking it out closer, but for now I'm satisfied. I don't know if I really think you're a wolf or not, but, like Fea, I'd kick myself to find it was so.

I'm thinking to go after Kath tomorrow.

[the guy who be short]

I'm thinking to go after Kath tomorrow.
So is everybody, I presume. What is clear is that we cannot make a single mistake from now to the end, or all is lost.

[Kath]

Yet again I come back to find myself under suspicion. I think I might just have to set up some kind of encampment here so I can keep an eye on this.

Earlier I said I would wait for Mormegil's defence and while it is obviously now too late for me to vote I'll just say that I found it shoddy at best. It cast doubt upon our Seer, who may not have revealed herself because she saw that many people were changing their votes from herself to Holby. She left before the votes changed again and so may have thought that it would be safer to stay in the dark and hope that she had left enough hints for us to figure out. Unfortunately we were not quick enough on the uptake and so she died.

Now, as to me. Firefoot says she wants to vote for me and has so far been supported by TGWBS. This worries me as I have been having concerns about TGWBS all day. Firefoot's post ealier (or was it yesterday?) about him possibly playing a double bluff gave me pause for thought. And now today he is going along with her ideas with no reasoning off his own. This strikes me as odd. Perhaps he is trying to put her off his trail? Firefoot seems to me trustworthy, maybe he feels that associating with her will keep suspicion away from him.

If you want a reason as to why I stopped being suspicious of Mormegil it was because he seemed quite so contrite about Gil's death once he realised he was an innocent and then gave him the benefit of the doubt many times after his reincarnation. I realise this has no basis in fact but it threw me off long enough.

Anyway, if it counts:

++Mormegil

[the guy who be short]

First of all, I am not associating myself with Firefoot. I have my own reasons to suspect you, which I have picked up on independantly, and everybody else probably has too.

Secondly, you should be concerned about me.

Thirdly, smooth talking. You go, Girl! Or should that be she-wolf...? :eek:

[Mithalwen]

In order to save our lovely mod some time (and eyesight) here are the final votes:




Patronising the mod may also be punishable by death Grrrrrrrrrrrrr

Do you really thinkI will not read through?

[Orominuialwen]

Well, I have arrived late and it seems that I've missed most of the action. Fortunately it's not too late for me to cast my vote.

++mormegil

You just seem too suspicious. I thought you were a wolf yesterday (even if I thought you were in league with Kitanna) and you still seem like one today.

Edit: Cross posted with Mith, so perhaps it is too late.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Patronising the mod may also be punishable by death Grrrrrrrrrrrrr

Do you really thinkI will not read through?
I never patronize. Just simplify. And how could you possibly resist reading through? After all... my posts are mixed in there. ;)

Add to my count two more votes for Mormegil given by Kath and Oro.

[mormegil]

I hope Nilp/Adam and Gil vote for me so I can get 100% of the vote.

[Mithalwen]

I never patronize. Just simplify. And how could you possibly resist reading through? After all... my posts are mixed in there. ;)

Add to my count two more votes for Mormegil given by Kath and Oro.


OK Take that as a yellow card - one more strike and you are out.

[Mithalwen]

For one all villagers present were united though this time they did not need force of numbers. Mormegil walked calmly to the gallows. If the villagers felt any compassion for the young girl and the imminent end of her brilliant short life they did not show it. The noose was slipped around her neck and the diminutive body of the girl was released. So small was she that the drop was not enough to break her neck and as the noose tightened mormegil gasped for a final breath. Her body twisted and turned and as it did so her garments were rent as she resumed her other form. Instead of a girl the sinuous body of a werewolf teisted at the gallows.

The other villagers rushed to make sure the deed was accomplished and in death, mormegil resumed her wholseome form.

The villagers had finally killed a werewolf - but was it too little too late.


Night has now fallen.

Wolves (compulsory) and Guardian (optional) should e mail their choices.

While night lasts 24 hours, I should warn you that I am unlikely to be online tomorrow evening, so if I do not receive the necessary communications before 1.45 pm BST , it may be Saturday afternoon before I am online again. Sorry but I have a short notice work meeting and also short notice chance to see a very dear family friend. Given that she is 90 and lives a long way off you will understand why I am not passing up this chance.

[Mithalwen]

Dead

Mithalwen - Killed by wolves
Gil-Galad(1)- Lynched
Oddwen- Killed by wolves
Kitanna (Seer) - Lynched
Durelin (Guardian)- Killed by wolves
Mormegil (werewolf) lynched

Living

Firefoot
Feanor
Holbytlass
TGWBS
Gil-Galad (2)
Kath
Orominuialwen
Nilpaurion Felagund.

Villagers 5 Wolves 3

[Gil-Galad]

By the way Morm, i only accused you cause i felt like, i really had no reason, just thought of poking at you and see if you'll do anything...

(too late for that....)

[Mithalwen]

The next morning, the villagers gradually emergerd from their increasingly well protected dwellings to find they were again one short. They ran to Firefoots elegant abode (surprisingly some of the guttering was missing from its otherwise immaculate frontage, but anyone who noticed assumed it was storm damage) to find the door wide open. There in the hall, lying on it's square tiled floor at the foot of the stairs, watched over by a series of portraits of garishly clad people was Firefoot. She lay sprawled face down, her blonde hair stained with blood from a severe head wound. They turned her and gasped as they saw her lovely face had been painted with her own scarlet blood. It had been the werewolves, in the hall with the lead piping.

It is now Villagers 4 (inc Hunter) Wolves 3

Dead

Mithalwen - Killed by wolves
Gil-Galad(1)- Lynched
Oddwen- Killed by wolves
Kitanna (Seer) - Lynched
Durelin (Guardian)- Killed by wolves
Mormegil (werewolf) lynched
Firefoot Killed by wolves in amanner tobe elaborated

Living


Feanor
Holbytlass
TGWBS
Gil-Galad (2)
Kath
Orominuialwen
Nilpaurion Felagund.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

I really liked Firefoot. Part of it was because she agrees with me a lot, but I'm not so shallow that that's my entire reason for wanting her alive again. No, the reason I liked Footie was because I agreed with her reasoning on a lot of stuff.

Except now it seems that her reasoning got her killed. What we should do is wait for TGWBS to arrive, post his findings about her, and tell us that we should kill... someone. Only the problem with this is that her last suspect, apart from Mormegil, was TGWBS himself (and Kath... can't leave Kath out).

Does it strike anyone as odd that Firefoot accused those two and then DIED?

[the guy who be short]

What we should do is wait for TGWBS to arrive, post his findings about her, and tell us that we should kill... someone.

Two points. Uno: Why am I the official investigator-boy? Do it yourself... :p
Nah, I'll do it later, when time allows.

Two: I liked Firefoot too, agreeing on a lot of her reasoning. However, her death will prove less insightful than that of the Seer or the Guardian; as a normal villager, she knew nothing.

Now, there are four innocents. Holbytlass, I think, has been left alive as she is the Hunter. I have been left to cast suspicion upon me. That leaves three last night. Out of the three, Firefoot's death benefited them most. Why?

I shall return later. *mysterious swish of cloak as Shortie disappears*

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Why am I the official investigator-boy? Do it yourself...
I labelled you official investigator-boy because you're so good at it, as well as punctual. However, if you want, I can post with all of my finding thus far, who they apply to, why I think we should lynch (or not lynch) each person, and all the while proclaim that I'm so innocent that your eyes would burn out of their sockets just from looking dead on at me, I glow with such purity and wind-blown-snowness. ;) Actually, that's a bad idea. Well, the first part is fantastic... I'll post my findings now. The second part about me being so darned innocent? That's just a waste of bandwidth there. I'll let you decide for yourself. Just don't screw up or the wolves win, and that would seriously suck.

Gil (TTM): on Day 2, he defends Durelin, which is cool, but he votes for Kitanna, which goes to show that he knew what he was doing as much as any other plain old innocent (ie: he didn't). Yesterday, he accused Mormegil and Kath, which shows that he was thinking they were guilty, but he didn't show up to vote. The day ended swiftly, so we can't really blame him for that. Anyhow, his brief and sporatic posts don't lead me to believe that he is any sort of threat to the village. I think that we could take his words about Kath seriously, but that is countered by the idea that he was terribly wrong about Kitanna.

Holby: I'm nearly certain she's the Hunter, which like has been said, is why the wolves are probably leaving her alive. They wouldn't want to chance her choosing accurately when she dies, so they'll keep her around. Either that or she's a wolf and so the wolves can't kill her. I'm leaning more toward innocent, otherwise I never would have changed my Day 2 vote.

Kath: The Seer mentioned that she could be wolf or mytho, but since our late Seer never cemented any of her accusations with "I'm a Seer, take my words seriously", we can't be certain. Mytho would explain why she and Morm laid off each other on Day 2. Wolf is possible, but wolves don't usually directly attack comrades on Day 1, because Day 1 is so sketchy already. I don't know if she's innocent or guilty, but I'm leaning towards guilty. On the other hand, she defended Footie yesterday. Why would she, as a wolf, kill someone that she was allying herself with? Unless of course it was a ploy.

Nilp: Um... What is there to say about Nilp? He's in a far different time-zone, so we can't take his absences as evidence. On Day 2, he accused Mormegil (guilty), TGWBS (dunno), and NewGil (probably innocent). That really tells us nothing. I don't know if he's innocent or guilty, but if we had more people, I'd offer to lynch him just to simplify matters. I'd hate to find out after we're all dead that he's our sheep-skinned wolf.

Oromin: she's quiet and creepy. I do agree with her that her initial defense to my teasing was inexperienced theatrics. After all, we all know that only the experienced ones should be taken seriously. ;) She could very well be a wolf, but I'm not so sure. It seems more that as an inexperienced player, she's keeping quiet to observe and learn without dying a brutal death.

TGWBS: I can't help but think that he's very dangerous. Firefoot's words made a lot of sense yesterday to me, and then she died. I like him a lot, because he likes me and defends me, but that's no grounds at all for not killing him if I think he's guilty. See, I've had all these nightmares where a wolf might ally him/herself with an innocent. Since he's allied himself with me, it makes me nervous. Either he's an innocent that honestly believes me, or he's a wolf and wants my endorsement as a good guy.

Ta da! There you go, TGWBS, I gave you the world as I see it.

[the guy who be short]

I am starting to wonder whether TGWBS hasn't done a fantastic job of covering his tracks. He and Morm have done some light accusing of each other, about the right amount for two werewolves who don't want to be associated with each other. However, TGWBS has also done some defending of Morm. This is one of two things: a) a wolvish slip or b) innocent confusion and genuine desire to only lynch innocents. I do wonder if his accusations of Morm are a huge bluff - point out one (now fairly obvious) wolf and thereby clear himself.
True, Firefoot did point me out here. I explained this later, though, when she accepted my defence.
I also know that I have not yet cleared my name. I made a lot of mistakes, and I need to make up for them before anybody trusts me again.

The only person I feel any reasonable degree of confidence about right now is Fea.
Her death was potentially to increase confidence in Fea.

I am probably most inclined to think that Kath is a wolf; however, if Kath was a wolf, I doubt Morm is, unless a) they're playing at a bluffing game, or b) Kath was the mytho and turned wolf. And, oddly enough, Morm and Kath are quite suspicious of each other on Day 1, but then... basically nothing.
The mytho suggestion has been placed forward before, and I for one am inclined to support it. This suggests Kath's guilt, or perhaps her innocent with a bluff?

TGWBS, your defence is fairly satisfactory. I'll be checking it out closer, but for now I'm satisfied. I don't know if I really think you're a wolf or not, but, like Fea, I'd kick myself to find it was so.

I'm thinking to go after Kath tomorrow.
The vote of confidence in me. A reinforcement of her resolve to go after Kath.

That's all. I think I'm tempted to go after Kath, though I will need to look at many other things first.

[the guy who be short]

TGWBS: I can't help but think that he's very dangerous. Firefoot's words made a lot of sense yesterday to me, and then she died. I like him a lot, because he likes me and defends me, but that's no grounds at all for not killing him if I think he's guilty. See, I've had all these nightmares where a wolf might ally him/herself with an innocent. Since he's allied himself with me, it makes me nervous. Either he's an innocent that honestly believes me, or he's a wolf and wants my endorsement as a good guy.

I am, hopefully at least, extremely dangerous. Firefoot ended the day defending me. I do like you, but I refuse to defend you. You're the intelligent, bonkers one. You need watching. That said, I think it's reasonably likely that you're innocent.

And I don't mind being investigator boy really. Just keep scary looking but suspiciously bipedal monsters away from me. :eek:

Edit: A quick break-up of the village as I see it.

Innocent: Me.
Hunter: Holbytlass.
Likely Innocent: Feanor of the Peredhil.
Like Mytho-wolf: Kath.

That leaves two wolves in the ranks of:
Oro
Nilp
G-GTTM.

Ideally I would like to see Kath lynched today. I have more suspicion of some on "the list" than others, but will not speak for today, on the presumption that the wolves would never kill me.

[Holbytlass]

I'm not sure about anything except Feanor's innocence.
One thing that struck me as odd is Gil's reincarnation. Was it really about not letting go of numbers if a certain someone who never appeared just died or about the secret role diappearing?
For lack of experience Gil1 was lynched for not being here enough, given a chance to do again in same village, Gil(TTM) is here even less. Any thoughts?

[the guy who be short]

Gil1 was lynched for appearing to be in league with some other members of the village, if I recall correctly.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

I was under the impression that we lynched him because he was a blood-thristy little berk. :rolleyes: It's a little depressing that we all killed him for different reasons.

One thing that struck me as odd is Gil's reincarnation. Was it really about not letting go of numbers if a certain someone who never appeared just died or about the secret role diappearing? Yes... that struck me as well. Would it really make that much of a difference, once into the game, if a normal innocent had to unexpectedly "die"?

[the guy who be short]

Anybody here not of the opinion that Kath should die next?

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Anybody here not of the opinion that if we rush today and screw up, the wolves win?

[the guy who be short]

I'm not rushing people. I'm asking a question. Kath is highest on many people's suspect lists, and is likely the mytho-thing. There's been suspicion of this from early on.

Certainly I don't intend to vote until we have heard from all villagers, or until it is reasonably late, but until then I'm willing to wait. Unless anybody has hugely compelling evidence though, I'm pretty certain which way my vote is going.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

I'm going to assume (reasonably, I hope) that Nilp is currently asleep. Gil is AWOL. Kath is... well, she's mentioned that she's sick, so that might be why she's not around. No idea about Oromin.

What I've been waiting this whole game for is a lengthy post from Gil-Galad. I hope I don't wait in vain.

[Kath]

Kath is here (at last). Yes Fea illness, idiotic field trips and also computer problems kept me away so apologies.

TGWBS I am of the opinion that I should not die today! And I wanted to mention something about your mytho idea. If I were this person why are you so certain that I would have become a wolf? To the best of my knowledge the mythomane was allowed to choose the person they wanted to turn into. Since I did not know who was a wolf and who an innocent on the first day then if I were the mytho and made this choice I would have a higher chance of staying an ordinary, ungifted, innocent villager.

Now, there is little point in proclaiming my innocence. I have already done that before and it will just be seen as an excuse. So instead I'll just talk about the person I have some concerns about at the moment - TGWBS.

Yes Firefoot ended the day defending you and accusing me but in my mind this is a sign of an incredibly cunning wolf. What better way to protect yourself than to hide behind someone who never raised an ounce of suspicion and was widely believed by everyone to be completely innocent. TGWBS supported every decision she made, never explaining his own reasons for suspecting people, just piggybacking on those of Firefoot. This strikes me as a little odd. Of course he has made such a case against me that it is unlikely anyone will trust a word I say but if anyone has any doubts then I ask that you please watch out for TGWBS. He is rushing people to vote, in my opinion to prevent them from having time to form their own ideas, and to make them afraid to vote against his suspects.

[the guy who be short]

And I wanted to mention something about your mytho idea. If I were this person why are you so certain that I would have become a wolf? To the best of my knowledge the mythomane was allowed to choose the person they wanted to turn into. Since I did not know who was a wolf and who an innocent on the first day then if I were the mytho and made this choice I would have a higher chance of staying an ordinary, ungifted, innocent villager. Notice how the number of wolves magically changed from three to four, dear? :p

TGWBS supported every decision she made, never explaining his own reasons for suspecting people, just piggybacking on those of Firefoot. I remember doing this once, in the accusation of you. Any more? Quotes? No?

He is rushing people to vote, in my opinion to prevent them from having time to form their own ideas, and to make them afraid to vote against his suspects. ... I'm not rushing people. I'm asking a question... Certainly I don't intend to vote until we have heard from all villagers, or until it is reasonably late [in the Day].
Why would I want to make people afraid to vote against my suspects anyway? Surely I'd want them to support me...

Congratulations. What a terribly interesting post.

[Kath]

Notice how the number of wolves magically changed from three to four, dear?

I hate to admit utter stupidity but no, I really didn't think of that :rolleyes: . Well, at least I know where that idea came from now!

I'm afraid I have no quotes from previous pages due to computer troubles (which I would explain but it would take a lot of space and remove us from this dimension slightly).

I apparently cross-posted with you as I didn't see you say that you weren't rushing people. Which I still don't agree with. You were rushing people but then you were called on it and stopped, presumably to try and protect yourself from any suspicion.

Why would I want to make people afraid to vote against my suspects anyway? Surely I'd want them to support me...

This sentence does not make sense. Yes you want people to support you, you want them to vote for who you say so that they don't vote for you. Therefore you push your points and your ideas so that others do not wish to vote differently to you because you will cry "Wolf!" if they do. Making people afraid to vote against you would mean they had to support you.

[the guy who be short]

I'm afraid I have no quotes from previous pages due to computer troubles (which I would explain but it would take a lot of space and remove us from this dimension slightly). Not to worry, I shall go back and analyse everything Firefoot and I said yesterday. Expect a post containing surprisingly little in it soon.

You were rushing people but then you were called on it and stopped, presumably to try and protect yourself from any suspicion. Please explain. Asking whether there is anybody in the entire village that trusts you is rushing... how? Not voting until I was sure of consensus is rushing how? Rushing would be something like jumping on morm yesterday. If I wanted to rush, I'm sure I could have voted for you and garnered quite a lot of support initially.

you want them to vote for who you say so that they don't vote for you. Well done.

Therefore you push your points and your ideas so that others do not wish to vote differently to you because you will cry "Wolf!" if they do. Pushing my points is merely my duty to the village. I am willing to consider other viewpoints and other evidence indicating other villagers, though I will now almost definitely be voting for you, support or no.
If others vote differently to me, I shall certainly be drawing conclusions, and certainly if you end up guilty. I will delay my cries of "Wolf!" to the morrow.

Making people afraid to vote against you would mean they had to support you. In a village of three, perhaps.

Please enlighten us - how exactly did you think a fourth wolf appeared?

Coming soon, an analysis of the extent to which Firefoot and I supported one another.

[the guy who be short]

I post that I have evidence against Morm. Later, Firefoot says: Having since gone through the thread again, one thing that I've noticed is that our seer Kitanna seemed quite certain that Morm was a wolf. This may be our best bet for catching a wolf. She supports me, rather than vice versa, or me trying to piggyback off her.

I think that we can be quite certain as well that Holbytlass is innocent, else she would not have changed her vote to herself when an innocent was about to die.
We should also be looking at who Durelin's partner the hunter may have been. The more innocents that we can figure on, the better our chances of catching a wolf will be. I later explore these two points. They're no-brainers though, hardly evidence of mutual support.

I was coming to some of the same conclusions as TGWBS even as he posted them. I don't think there can be a lot of doubt... She supports my evidence again, piggybacking off it, if you will. Not vice versa.

I am starting to wonder whether TGWBS hasn't done a fantastic job of covering his tracks... one more point I left off. TGWBS found it necessary to point out in his very first post that he was "obviously innocent." Hmm... She accuses me. Hardly the perfect person to piggyback off.

Also interesting is that both Morm and Kath went onto TGWBS's "probably innocent" list (bottom Page 2).
I'd like to hear from TGWBS... I'm becoming ever more convinced that he may be a wolf More accusations of me. Perfect person to associate myself with.

I'm thinking to go after Kath tomorrow. So is everybody, I presume. What is clear is that we cannot make a single mistake from now to the end, or all is lost.
The only "theory" of Firefoot's I piggyback off, if such it can be called. A one line accusation is hardly a theory, and little to piggyback off.


There we go. Done. A one line accusation from Firefoot which I immediately agree with due to, as I later state, independant reasons. Firefoot's accusation hardly deserves the word theory. A non-existant theory cannot be piggybacked off.
Furthermore, I note that you immediately voiced concern about me piggybacking off Firefoot - despite the fact that it was an isolated moment when I agreed with her, and no theorising was present.

Now, as to me. Firefoot says she wants to vote for me and has so far been supported by TGWBS. This worries me as I have been having concerns about TGWBS all day. Firefoot's post ealier (or was it yesterday?) about him possibly playing a double bluff gave me pause for thought. And now today he is going along with her ideas with no reasoning off his own. This strikes me as odd. Perhaps he is trying to put her off his trail? Firefoot seems to me trustworthy, maybe he feels that associating with her will keep suspicion away from him.
Indeed. No reasoning of my own. You make it sound as if Firefoot had extensive reasoning as opposed to one line of accusation.

And so, Kath, you give yourself away. You accuse me of piggybacking on the non-existant theories of others. But you voiced this suspicion yesterday, and that shall beyour undoing. Plainly, you killed Firefoot so as to be able to cast suspicion upon me and accuse me, as you have done above, for no reason whatsoever, hoping that others will not look back and realise the lack of evidence behind it.

To me, you have shown plainly that you are a wolf. I would vote right now, but I would be accused of being rash, and I would very much like to see the quiet villagers today.

I will definitely be voting Kath.

[Gil-Galad]

though i'm not one of lengthy posts, though if you read the notice board it shall explain my AWOL, for now the only accusation is me not being here, so my post on the notice board should sum it up for that...

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Does anybody else think that we should just hedge our bets and try to kill them both? :rolleyes: It makes me wish multiple lynchings weren't impossible (if I remember correctly, they are, right?).

[Holbytlass]

my own random thoughts

definite innocent: Me (Holby) Feanor

who the heck knows?:Nilp Oro Gil(TTM)
Gil2 has role (hunter, mytho or wolf, or why be reincarnated)

TGWBS: first thought to be seer, than thought to be hunter but accused Duerlin too many times

Kath: as far as actions, seems to be the mytho, against Morm then seems to defend Morm after day 2

I think it is too close of a game for 2 wolves to be brashing against each other so both (Kath and TGWBS) aren't wolves, let's not lynch both even if we could, Fea. ;)

leaning towards Kath of the two.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Valid point, Holby. I was just rolling my eyes at the bickering. It reminds me of myself, back in my young and impetuous days. ;) :p Since we can't kill two people (nor should we), I've got to choose now (since I won't be back before day's end).

I see no reason to vote for Oro, Holby, or Nilp, since I "trust" them. That's not to say it's real trust, since that's not something one should do in these situations, but I don't think we should be worried about them at the moment. We've got bigger fish to fry.

Gil... Kath... TGWBS.

I have to choose one, and I don't really want to, because I don't know who to pick.

So many people seem certain that Kath is the mytho... but what if we're wrong? I'm afraid to chance it, as our seer never confirmed it, and the "proof" is just as likely a series of twisted coincidences.

I've been nervous about TGWBS since Firefoot's call last night. After her subsequent death, my suspicion doubled.

Gil... Holby's point about keeping somebody totally innocent (ie: useless except as a number) is bothering me. A lot.

Since there are three wolves, and these are my only three suspicions... I have a feeling that voting for any one of them is a positive thing. I know that most of you are thinking Kath right now... but I really think that TGWBS is the one we should kill. Just to disprove his "I'm innocent"s like we did with Mormegil. You can't tell me that you weren't ecstatic to prove him wrong. Therefore, with great remorse that it should be so soon, and great remorse should I be wrong...

++TGWBS

I'll see you guys some time tomorrow. TGWBS... many apologies if I'm wrong.

[Orominuialwen]

First, I'd like to apologize for my absence. I tried to get on the computer twice earlier today, but got kicked off after less than 10 minutes each time, and the second time got yelled at for "checking my e-mail every 5 minutes." :mad: Anyway, I thought I'd better explain why I wasn't here until now.

Here's what I think of everybody who's left:
Feanor-- Probably innocent. None of our proven innocents have really accused her. For that matter, nobody really has, except for me at the very beginning, but I'm not inclined to go with that any more. She just seems too conspicuous of a personality to be a wolf.

Holbytlass-- Probably innocent too. I'm pretty well convinced that she's our hunter, as most everybody else seems to think. Obviously the wolves have left her alive because they too think she's the hunter and don't want to risk her taking out one of them if they kill her.

tgwbs-- Quite possibly guilty. Until yesterday with mormegil, who was a dead giveway as a wolf and suspected by us all by then, tgwbs had an uncanny knack for leading the charge in lynching innocent villagers. He's either an innocent with really bad gut instincts or a wolf trying to hide out in the open. I'm still not sure which.

Gil 2-- A bit of a mystery. He could go either way, really.

Kath-- Quite possibly guilty as well. I do think that either she or tgwbs is a wolf, but not both. The fact that mormegil suddenly stopped accusing her on Day 2 is very suspicious, but that doesn't necessarily make her a wolf. After all, the Seer never said anything definite about her, but she still does seem like she could be a wolf.

Me-- Definitely innocent. That's about all I can say!

Nilp-- Same sort of situation as with Gil. I'm inclined to say he's innocent just because I have that sort of feeling about him, but I'm not going to trust that completely. He too could go either way.

[Holbytlass]

I probably will sleep through the deadline, so I'm voting now for

++KATH

Because I think she's the mytho-wolf

[Orominuialwen]

Blast! I just realized that I won't be able to make the deadline tomorrow. (I have to go to a funeral tomorrow morning and I have to be there an hour early because I'm singing in the choir, so I will be busy getting ready when the deadline arrives [8 a.m. central time])

Therefore, with much regret, I will have to cast my vote now, sooner than I would like to. I'm worried about doing this, but please forgive me if I'm wrong.

++TGWBS

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

At first, I scoffed at Gil's explanation of his resuscitation, but after a few thoughts, he would only say that if in fact no role has been passed to him. And perhaps he, unlike me, learns his lesson well.

Now yesterday, I was disappointed at not being able to participate, but I'm glad we got a wolf. I also had an idea yesterday not unlike Firefoot's: the guy might be a werewolf trying to secure innocence with his attack. Notice the way he jumped on morm after Firefoot had already denounced him.

I agree with Oro here: either Kath or the guy is a wolf, but not both. Unless they're pulling the greatest act I have ever seen. But I'm not sure of that.

Hmmm . . . the tough part here is we have equal evidence for the guy's guilt (q.v. (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=397825&postcount=158)) and Kath's morpholupism (hehe, I just made a word up.) Decisions, decisions . . .

++the guy who be short

He's more suspicious to me.

[Kath]

Well you all know my reasons so my vote goes to

++TGWBS

[the guy who be short]

++Kath

We're at the stage where, if you kill me, the entire game is lost. As I am garnering more votes, I will post openly.

The three remaining wolves are: Kath, Nilp, Feanor. I am almost certain of this.

Unfortunately, it means the only innocent to have voted for me thus far is Oro, who cannot return and change her vote.

There is therefore no point in, once again, pointing to my extremely adequate response to Firefoot's questioning, which left her satisfied.

There is no point in pointing out Kath's slip in accusing me of piggybacking off Firefoot yesterday, then killing her so she could accuse me of piggybacking off an innocent.

The wolves' job is then complete.

[the guy who be short]

Fea:

So many people seem certain that Kath is the mytho... but what if we're wrong? I'm afraid to chance it, as our seer never confirmed it, and the "proof" is just as likely a series of twisted coincidences. How coincidental. Somebody goes from top suspect to not-mentioned over a Night without so much as an explanation.

I've been nervous about TGWBS since Firefoot's call last night. After her subsequent death, my suspicion doubled. I have been pointing out since the beginning of Day 3, when durelin my main suspect was proven innocent, that the entire think is a set up, with strong evidence. It is ignored.

but I really think that TGWBS is the one we should kill. Just to disprove his "I'm innocent"s like we did with Mormegil. She seems to discount the fact that we need to kill a werewolf. This strikes me as too whimsical.

Nilp:

I also had an idea yesterday not unlike Firefoot's: the guy might be a werewolf trying to secure innocence with his attack. Notice the way he jumped on morm after Firefoot had already denounced him. Using evidence that has already been explained and disproved.

Hmmm . . . the tough part here is we have equal evidence for the guy's guilt (q.v.) Again, the link leads to evidence that was satisfactorily disproved.

There you go. Once I'm dead, expect those three to jump on you. :) Cunning wolves...

[the guy who be short]

Four votes for me and the 24hr time limit is up.
Death! Death! Death take us all! :p

[Mithalwen]

Twilight neared and again although the decision was not unanimous it was sufficient to put the noose around the neck of the guy who would be Scoobert. Perhaps his appearance had been against him, the villagers unable to distinguish between the canine and the lupine. Those who condemned him cheered as his body fell but as it twitched and jerked on the rope but as it did so the cheers started to sound more like howls. The villages had signed their own death warrant when they palced the noose around his neck.

Holbytlass and Nilpaurion Felaguns stood back to back as Gil Galad, the hunter could do nothing against such odds. The trio of wolves they had known as, Feanor of the Peredhil, Kath and Orominuialwen circled quickly before there was a brief but violent flurry of fur and blood.

Werewolves 3 Villagers 0

First Awards on the Noticeboard shortly but lengthy post mortems will have to wait til tomorrow....

[mormegil]

Good game all! Especially I would like to Congratulate my fellow wolves on such a wonderfully played game.

[the guy who be short]

Ah, two out of three. Congrats Oro for being completely and totally inconspicuous and non-suspicious. :D I suspected you duringthe earlier days but by the end of it I was convinced of a Kath/Fea/Nilp or Kath/Fea/G-G trio.

Congrats also to the wolves - was I correct in guessing that the deaths of durelin and Firefoot were both to frame me?

[Durelin]

I'll have to try this thing again...maybe.

I like making people want to kill me. :smokin:

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Congrats also to the wolves - was I correct in guessing that the deaths of durelin and Firefoot were both to frame me?
I'll post the werewolf conversations soon. Probably not tonight, but maybe tomorrow. If not, first thing Monday morning. They'll answer most questions.

And TGWBS, was the suspense worth the answer?

[Firefoot]

Ack, Fea! Only briefly after I was killed did I think for a moment "maybe she's a werewolf trying to set TGWBS up..." then, "No, she's innocent. Of course she's innocent."

And now I'm free to indulge my reasons for my initial suspicion of Oro. Compare:

Oro's first post:But why me, my dear Madam? My middle name may be Death (although it rhymes with teeth), but that does not make me a wolf. I was called away by family matters, and did not have time to comment. I had to entertain my brother, the Duke of Denver, this evening, and so have only just sped back to our village in Mrs. Mertle. No, my dear lady, I Oromin Wimsey am no lupine. I am certainly curious to discover the reasoning behind your blind and seemingly pointless accusation of me.

My first ever post in W-W I (I was a werewolf): I see people have begun to suspect me for my absense thus far. Let me assure you, it is because of no ill doings on my own part. I was here this morning before Day 1 started, so you see I had no chance to post my thoughts. Then, you see, there is this unfortunate thing called school, at which I never have a chance to log on to a computer. I have only gotten home a short while ago. So you see, 'tis for only very innocent reasons that I have been away. And later: mormegil, I do not understand your unfounded accusations of me.

Oh, yes, it sounded familiar all right. And, as you can see, I was right. Should have pushed that one further.

I was right about Kath, too... oh, well.

No wonder the wolves killed me - and as a bonus, they got to use my own evidence to kill TGWBS...

Good game, everyone.

[Kitanna]

Oh alas! If only the innocents had listened to TGWBS! But a good game on everyone's behalf.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Because of our immediate setback (Lhuna pulling out and me being recruited very shortly before the game) Mith granted us PMing during DAY 1. This is our conversing for that span, and shortly into NIGHT 2, when our plans were abruptly changed.

Hey guys. Looks like I'm playing this round after all. Very nice to be working with y'all, and all that other pleasant stuff.
Catch me up, if you'd be so kind. Have you got any plans laid out yet?

I have to be honest and second what Mithalwen said about me standing out a lot, so I'd have to say that your best bet is to flat out avoid me. Perhaps play around with "Well... she might be innocent, but I don't trust her at all. She's too sneaky." That sort of thing. Make it apparent that you have no alliances with me, because I've considered this a bit (even before Mith PMed me 10 minutes ago ) and I think the best idea is for me to be the public suspect.

I might play the Nilp route and say "I'm a wolf. You should lynch me while you still have the chance". Of course, it will be veiled in jokes and obscurity, but I will be sure to keep myself in the usual spotlight. Unless you two decide that it would be best for me to lie low. I must admit, that would confuse the heck out of people.

Either way, I'll be lying low today, as I've got to take off for a few hours mid-afternoon. I run on EST, so that's in about an hour and a half.

Tell me what you guys think, and we'll get this figured out.
Just wanted to introduce myself and express my excitement I have to play with you both. I have been involved in two other games and in both I have been fairly vocal. So a giant shift in that for me would seem odd. Especially to those who have played with me before. So my current plan is to be fairly loud and vocal. In the past when I've done this it hasn't cast much suspicion on me. I will defend myself very little but point many fingers and give arguements against others. It's vital that in the first couple of days we adhere to some simple rules of thumb 1. Don't Work too closely together 2. Don't avoid each other too much 3. Don't defend each other unless you have defended some other people as well. and by the way you both have difficult names to spell This is what I sent out and this is my strategy--to stay the same as I am in every game. I think, Fea, that you should play similar to your other games as well. SUPER LOUD. If you don't it may be obvious that you are changing tactics. As I've never allied myself in the past with anyone I will keep it that way this game. Oromi will stay fairly quiet.

One thing don't spend too much time saying how innocent we are. I always feel the people who focus too much on saying "I'm innocent" are most likely the wolves.
1. Don't Work too closely together

2. Don't avoid each other too much

3. Don't defend each other unless you have defended some other people as well. Perfect.

This is what I sent out and this is my strategy--to stay the same as I am in every game. I think, Fea, that you should play similar to your other games as well. SUPER LOUD. *giggle* I think you are right. I'll save my tactic switch for when I'm innocent. Which means that y'all should look forward to me spotlighting everyone until I'm "certain they are innocent", nitpicking, dancing to my own tune, and most of all, very vocally attaching myself to certain "bones". Observation by agitation indeed. Would you mind being the caretaker of our conversations? That way at the end if somebody is interested they can see what we spoke of.*looks over at the open WordPad document entitled "wolf chat, game 5"*


Way ahead of you. Durelin
Firefoot
Gil-Galad
Holbytlass
Kath
Kitanna
Nilpaurion Felagund
Oddwen
Sophia the Thunder Mistress
The guy who be short

Random: draw a name from a hat.
Plus: untraceable
Minus: chance of killing first timer

Methodical: alphebetical order
Plus: traceable, but in no helpful way
Minus: guarantee of killing first timer

Experience-based: slaughter people who know what they're doing
Plus: shooting fish in a barrel once their gone
Minus: less players to subtley prod people into killing based on suspicions that we "aren't supposed to have"

It's your call, guys. About Gil:

He's pointed out both Morm and myself. I find that somewhat disconcerting. Here are our options:

1) He picked randomly of those who've posted, and found two wolves.

2) He's the Seer and got one wolf (morm, because I joined too late for him to know to dream about me) and guessed on me because I'm a well-known and experienced loudmouth.

No matter what, HE CAN'T DIE. At least not today or tonight. I'm sure you guys are already aware of that. Kath needs to stay alive as well. I put for the suggestion that the two could be Ranger and Hunter, and so are in cahoots, however I find it unlikely, as Gil forgot to go invisible and any bright Gifted one would do that immediately. Any how, I don't think Gil is dangerous, just lucky. We shouldn't let his comments cloud our judgement, but we do need to keep an eye on him without uncharacteristic retaliation. It's going to be dead obvious if we give knee-jerk reactions. Of course you know that, but it can't be said too many times.

Oh, just so you know, I do plan on multi-layered bluffs. I hope it startles laughs out of you both.

EDIT: Oro's inbox is full. We'll have to fill her in later.I'm not overly worried about Gil. I think his vehemence will work against him. If he's not lynched today I think we could kill him tonight and risk him being the seer. If he is...well I'll die I'm sure. If he's not we could go for a "framing poor open Morm" defense. "Oh no the wolves are out to get me" Just make sure you don't really denfend me. If I were you I would drop me from most of your conversations.

Unless you feel a vote for me now you clear you later. If Gil is the seer it may be worth my life to get rid of him tonight. If he is lynched and he is the seer than the myoth...whatever guy would easily pick him to become than we would have another seer. If you think we can off Gil without garnering suspicion, then by all means, we should kill him without second thought. I just don't want it to look as obvious as I think it will. If he isn't lynched toDAY, I still think we should leave him be toNIGHT. Although I have nothing whatsoever against subtley turning the village against him. I'm going to stick with my usual plan of attack with "never telling my true suspects" until I have to, and even then, pulling them out of nowhere. Right now I've just accused everyone who hasn't shown yet. Gotta take off for the night. I'll be around before the day ends tomorrow.

PS again: Oro's inbox is still full. Looks like she's stuck in the dark on this one? I believe in WW3 if Fordim were a wolf, killing off TGWBS (I think it was him) would have been great. Such an obvious set up would be too risky for a wolf to take and that's why we can get away with it. Sorry for my absence! I was kept away until now by family matters and computer troubles. As far as strategy goes, I think it would be a good idea for Fea and me to keep accusing each other. It will put some distance between us... I think I'll still try to just lay low, since I'm very inexperienced. My vote today is for Kath as I explained in my post. I think it to be a fairly good post...it is true that I will be gone for the greater part of tomorrow. But if Kath is killed I think we could easily pick off Gil tonight and play the risky double bluff. It would have worked in the past in a similar situation and I think it will work now. If he does turn out to be the seer...good he'll only have one night of dreaming and at the expense of one wolf. He won't be able to list who are innocents thus complicating life for us. Okay, to address everything.

Oro, I'm up for accusing each other. It won't look sketchy because I'm always being accused by the quiet ones. The perk of you being quiet is that if they see through our double-loudmouth bluff, they won't hesitate to think there are three.

Morm, let's kill Gil. You're right about the bluff. No werewolf in his/her right mind would be stupid enough to kill the one pointing him/her out. It's perfect. I love how you think; I don't have to share my ideas because you've already got them. Oro, what do you think about us slaying Gil tonight? If you agree, somebody kindly PM Mithalwen and tell her we've got our first victim.

Stupid national holiday (God Bless America, in any case) limits my computer time, or I'd offer to do it myself. From the way things are looking now (1 vote for Kath, one for Holbytlass, 2 for me, and 5 for Gil), we may not have to kill Gil tonight after all. I voted for Gil, so unless more people come in the next few minutes, he'll die today, not tonight. Excellent. Mormegil, do you feel up to a bluff? If so, I say we kill Kath tonight. You call frame-up, and people get confused. I see two people who we can kill. TGWBS or Kath. In either situation I will have to pull a double bluff. But honestly I think this will have a good effect in casting suspicion off of me. Too obvious a set up to take real...right?

Now to kill Kath the advantage is it severs the alleged alliance between herself and I. To kill TGWBS it kills somebody who is very intelligent and a good player, also he's very suspicious of me. We have a good long time to discuss it but let's consider both okay. I'd like to leave TGWBS alive as long as possible for a few reasons. One is that he's a very convincing player, and he thinks I'm innocent. That's a plus in our favor.

Another is that he's a good choice for someone whose words we can use against him in a few days. Look at some of the stuff he wrote today; it won't be that hard to deflect blame back to him later. Kath, on the other hand, is also bright, which makes her dangerous. She suspects you quite openly, which makes for the perfect bluff. She takes more care with what she says, which makes it more difficult to pin her with her own words. If we take her out early, it doesn't give her a chance to do damage. Plus with Kath it will kill that alliance idea. But I worry that the seer will dream of me tonight. I think we need to try and get TGWBS out of the way during the day. I'm not sure how we can turn what he says against himself but I'm all for it if we can.

You two need to be careful to not cast too much doubt on Oromi in particular. At this stage Fea you may want to be loud elsewhere, as this will not be suspicious behavior if you do it.

Now how are we going to pull of this double bluff? My hope is that Firefoot (or somebody similar) will point out how obvious a set up it is. That way I don't have to defend myself. I think Firefoot may do it for us. If not one of you may need to step in, but that could be risky. If you do make sure it's worded carefully but not too guarded. I really think we can pull this off though.

Being a wolf is tough business though I'm not sure how we can turn what he says against himself but I'm all for it if we can. He's very cool and calculating. Though he avoids saying things that directly incriminate him, we can use his intelligence against him. It won't look obvious if I frame him up tomorrow.

About Oro... I hadn't meant to end up with that much of a following. I'll "forget" about her tomorrow, unless someone calls me on it, and direct my attention to someone else. Obviously it can't be you, Morm, because "No idiot wolf would kill the two people that wanted him dead. That's just plain stupid. I mean... it would be so obvious; the wolf couldn't possibly expect to survive something like that.", so it's got to be someone else that's smart, and who is good with strategy and frame-up work. Like, perhaps, TGWBS.

My hope is that Firefoot (or somebody similar) will point out how obvious a set up it is. If not, I can do it.

Being a wolf is tough businessHeck yes it is. Fun though.

So are we decided on Kath for the night? Yes I would say kill Kath and hope her to be the seer or guardian. Let Oro know.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

The completion of our first NIGHT working together as a team.


Erm, I suppose I'll go for Mormegil.
well you have just grown fur and a tail!! You are a werewolf. AS are Orominuialwen and Fea

Since you have chosen befor they have made up their mind. I am telling them so they don't kill you!! 4 wolves will be so interesting!!!! Ah, m'ladies, we had quite made up our mind (I was going to PM this morning, Mith, with Oro's blessing), but it looks like we cannot kill one of our own. Welcome to the team, dear Kath. We now need to find a new target. Do you have interest in reading our prior PMs, or would you prefer me to send you the gist of our dealings?

morm, Oro... she's foiled us!

Mith... our rocky start's been duly fixed. Of course our main objective now is to kill the seer. An intelligent seer will stay our of most people's way and not accuse anybody particularly at this stage. I think we can eliminate TGWBS from that list and probably Holytlass. The seer would not fly so low as to avoid being heard though. My guess would be somebody like Oddwen or Durelin. Both spoke but didn't really contribute much as far as speaking against people. Now Oddwen has played more so it may be nice to kill her off first due to her experience and it would be nice to leave Durelin in another round to give him some experience.

Oh and Feanor I'm a man not a "m'lady" Reading the notice board I wonder if we would be well served to kill Sophie off before anything like that happens.

Incidentally do we know what Gil was? I'm assuming merely an innocent and not gifted. So my vote goes for either
Oddwen
Durelin
Sophie

Probably in that order...let me know what you think. I'm sorry I've taken so long to reply. To the best of my knowledge Gil wasn't gifted, just an innocent - who I was not in league with btw.

I've had to rush through reading the thread so if you could just give me a quick reason why you want to vote for these people Morm?

And Fea an overview would be great, thanks. Well Kath to be honest why I want to kill those is because we are now rushed. You were slated to die tonight and we were going to attempt to pull off the double-bluff. We could still try it on TGWBS if you'd like but I think either Oddwen or Durelin are acting most like the seer.

Now there is a problem Kath...People (TGWBS mainly) have suspicion that we might be in league together...laughable at the time yes...but now it's true. You and I need to distance that but not make it too obvious. I think I will say something to the effect of "now that Gil's dead and innocent I'm convinced that he and Kath were not in league together. Kath is probably innocent but still I'm not sure". I think something like that will be sufficient. You may need to keep a bit of heat on me this round...not so much I get lynched...but you probably shouldn't forget me.

So what say you ladies? Do we go for the double-bluff approach and Kill TGWBS or one of the others I've listed...or perhaps you have a better suggestion. I am very willing to listen and be swayed.

Incidentally Kath, you having been innocent what did you think of us three? Do we appear in cahoots? wolfish? innocent? What was your take on it? Gil wasn't gifted. It would have said so if he was. The reason that we organized the slaying of Gil is because he was openly suspicious of Morm and me. Partly we wanted him gone, partly we wanted to be able to call frame-up. The reason you were set to die tonight is the same reason: killing you would make Morm look guilty as all heck, which is the perfect double bluff. With his top two accusers gone, Morm would be in the clear because nobody would believe a wolf would intentionally draw that much attention to himself.

Kath: here are our roles as of yet: Morm and I are our typical loudmouth selves, calling attention to ourselves, and keepng our distance from each other. Oro is the quiet one. She suspects me, I suspect her. You may choose whatever role you want, as nobody thinks you're guilty and nobody knows we've got a new wolf.

We considered ways of choosing victims: entirely random, with the perk of being untracable; alphebetical, tracable but fruitlessly so; frame someone else; frame ourselves. So far, we've gone with framing ourselves.

We talked for awhile on what to do with Gil, finally deciding that killing him would cast all kinds of needless (and therefore excellent) suspicion on anyone who voted for him, but most especially on Morm. If you died during the day, we'd take him at night, and vice versa. That plan's shot, so we're on to a new one (still to be decided on).

Morm wants to kill TGWBS (because of his experience, expertise, and previous accusations), but I nixed the idea. I want to keep TGWBS alive for a later frame up. Plus the good boy thinks I'm innocent. That's obviously a plus in our favor, because he's a convincing foe.

That's about it so far. If you're wondering how we fit all that in in the past 12 hours, it's because we had all DAY yesterday granted to us by Mith, because Lhuna (the original wolf) dropped and I was recruited just a few hours before we started. Our daylight PMs are done now, but we've still got night.

I'm a man, not a m'lady.
Catering to the masses, ol' boy. The PM was to you, Oro, Mith, AND Kath. Three out of four ain't bad, eh?

Oddwen, Durelin, Soph
If we kill Sophia, people will know that it was to stop Gil from returning. They'll take a closer look at everything he said. Which, quite honestly, is perfect.

If we kill Durelin, we are making TGWBS look bad (she only accused him and Gil).

If we kill Oddwen, we've got nothin' since she didn't really openly accuse anyone, nor did she vote.

In response to the Kill-the-Seer, yes. That's important. Very important. Looking through our list, I'd say that each of your choices are ideal, Mormy, but Firefoot is better.

I know we wanted her for tomorrow, but she looks so promising, as she fingered Morm and Oro (voted against Oro), but it's not a guaranteed thing, since she was active and also pointed out others. She's dangerous, but she could also work well if we wanted to frame Holby later. Remember, Holby's laying low, which can be easily used against her. Think about it... Firefoot claimed you as suspect, Morm. So did Gil. There's the bluff we were after with Kath. Also, Firefoot's a danger because she's experienced. Also, she pointed out Holby who voted for Gil. It wouldn't take a lot of effort to convey "suspicions" toward her. Really, about as much as it took to get Gil killed today.

What do you think? Oh yeah, sorry about my inordinately long PM. Sorry I seem to have screwed up all your plans with one simple choice!

I see your point about creating a distance Morom and if you want me to put heat on you I could blame you for Gil's death for a while and then somehow slowly become less convinced of this being a wolf plot?

I'm agreeing with this double-bluff approach but maybe not TGWBS - I just feel that might draw too much suspicion. Also, he is pretty vocal and might be useful later if we can push him into being suspicious of others. I'm more inclined to go with Fea and kill Holby.

As for who the Seer is I'm no further in my guesses than you Morm so I'll trust your instinct on that unless I see something that makes me think otherwise. Though as a question, when were you planning on killing the Seer, or at least trying to?

To answer Morm's question as an innocent I was absolutely convinced that you (Morm) were a werewolf - that was partly why I chose you as I thought you were coming after me next and I wanted to actually be in this game! Fea I also thought you were a wolf though for that i have no reasoning other than gut instinct. Oro I had no idea about at all. None of you seemed to be working together though so you did well there. I have to go, and I won't be back until later, so here's my choice: Firefoot.

She's a danger as is, she's a potential seer, and her death could help us a LOT later on.

If you decide against her, do what you will with my blessing, but for the love of Ford, don't kill TGWBS. I want the village to take care of that mess for us. I would rather go with Oddwen than Firefoot but I'm okay if we want to go with Firefoot. I don't think there is the same double-bluff potential (though that may arise later) Kath it's up to you since we can't talk to Oro right now. I'm fine either way.

Originally Posted by Kath Jeez giving me the decision!?! Well all I can say is it's your own fault. But I think I'm going to agree with you Morm and say Oddwen.Sorry Fea but it's oddwen this round.

Mith we would like to kill our friend Oddwen and hope that she is the seer. I will post, as usual, my list of who voted for who. It will show that TGWBS and Kitanna made critical votes of our known innocent. We shouldn't push too heavily on that but I will point it out and maybe it could be followed up by somebody else in the village. We could cast further suspicion on those two by what they have said. But they were 3rd and 4th to vote for Ole Gil. They did this at a critical time.

Kath any suggestions on how I can act a bit differently today that would have helped allay your suspcions of me...obviously nothing too obvious. I would suggest killing off Sophia to avoid having Gil return, complete with all his suspicions. If you don't want to do that, possibly Firefoot, although that may point suspicion towards me and morm. I'll be away until NIGHT is over, so whatever you decide is fine by me.

Oh, by the way, nice job there Fea, calling me subtle. It amused me very much. Lots of PMs are good, only way I can keep up with all this.

So are we trying to get TGWBS lynched tomorrow? In a subtle way of course.

Well Morm obv I will have to be suspicious of you due to your attack of Gil but maybe you could make a point about being the first to vote and then having to run off.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

This night begins in such a great fashion, with us celectrating taking out the Seer. :p ;)

My doves, look how fantastic that was. We've killed off our Seer. I am now the hero that kept myself and Firefoot from taking out extra innocents (certainly nothing a wolf would do), and so now, for some strange reason, not a soul suspects me. I'd like to keep it that way. I'm sure you see my reasoning for what I did?
I knew it had to be Kitanna the second she mentioned a mytho-wolf relationship between Morm and Kath. Everybody take a nice drink now to celebrate your fantastic work.

Mormegil, m'dear, I'm sure that you can see your own fate is sealed. Kitanna made absolute certain that she voted against you. You were the only one she accused toDAY. Kath, you are not much safer, as she pegged you as Mytho. However, the village can only kill one person per day, and I believe that person will be Mormegil tomorrow. Which is why I've made a point to say how much of a wolf I think you are, early and often.

Is it agreed that we should sacrifice you tomorrow? Not all together, of course... I would say that Oro should vote for someone else. TGWBS, perhaps.

I'm almost positive that Holby is our Hunter (which, of course, is why I changed my vote.) She needs to stay alive, because if the villagers kill Morm tomorrow, and she pegs Kath, we're down to two. If she stays annoyingly alive, she has no power.

I don't think Gil or Nilp pose any problem at all. Their posts are sporatic and not particularly swaying. I don't believe either to be the Ranger.

That leaves us Firefoot and Durelin to kill tonight. Killing Footie would point to us protecting Oro, since she pegged her two days in a row. Plus she's so charmingly convinced that I'm innocent. I say that Durelin is our choice for tonight. That leaves the schedule like this:

NIGHT: Durelin

DAY: Mormegil

Score: 5 Villagers: 3 Werewolves

All they have to do is screw up once, and we win. We need to keep Holby alive though, or she can even the odds disturbingly. If we pick off TGWBS the next day (shouldn't be hard, given his endearlingly bad habit of defending the guilty and voting against innocents, plus brains and latent suspicion already against him), we win the next night.

How's that sound to you guys? Sweet! We got the seer. I'm glad most of you distanced yourself from me. I find it odd though that Kitanna didn't outright proclaim herself when she was sure to be lynched. She never said that she was sure of me. It's unlikely that I'll survive tomorrow but there's a slim chance. I think I may be able to wiggle out of this one. It's a very great uphill battle but I think I can possible swing it. I was looking over Kitanna's posts and she never said she's sure of me. Just had a bad feeling and that something doesn't sit right. If I were the seer and knew I would be lynched I would cry out so vocally that there would be no doubt that the wolf was guilty.

My defense will be to point out the holes and attempt to cast suspicion elsewhere. I will basically say what I said here but do it in more detail. I hope that either TGWBS or Firefoot come to my aid.

If it looks as if a sweeping majority will be coming against me than all should vote for me as to not stick out. But if there is doubt still in people's mind than one or two vote for me the other one or two attack the other person who is being blamed.

If I have time tonight I will prepare my defense and see if you can look it over. Morm, I'm not so sure. Even though she never explicitly stated you, she was rather finger-pointy on day one with three suspects, and day two she directly pointed you out, even going so far as to vote for you instead of someone else. Had she voted for Holby, for example, she could have possibly secured the death of a popular suspect. She didn't, which points to you.

If you think you can wriggle out, by all means, do it. However I labelled you today as the suspect I would have voted for, if I hadn't thought it crucial to avoid a tie, so I won't be backing down tomorrow. In order to keep up appearances, I do think I'll have to vote for you, Morm, even if I later revoke it.

If it looks as if a sweeping majority will be coming against me than all should vote for me as to not stick out.
I disagree. If we all vote together, the odds are higher that they'll catch us. After all, it's seemingly obvious that you're going to die, so why would a wolf go out of his/her way to vote against, and draw attention to his/herself? See what I mean? I'd rather see Kath vote for me, as she was pegged as a wolf/mytho, and I could call her on it, saying that she was trying to take an innocent down with her, since she knows she's going to die. The basic "Guys, you're going to listen to the last request of a WOLF!?" defense. Morm an explanation of how you're gonna get out of being lynched would be great as it will help us (or at least me) with how to act.

As for who should die tonight I would want to go with Durelin except that might put suspicion on me. Still, she was the only person to vote for me and I've a reasonable argument against her reasons for suspecting me so I'm happy to kill her.

Also, apologies for being around so little today. I would have been able to get online at school but due to illness I never went in. No I would be highly suspect of somebody if everyone voted one way (me a wolf) except one person. I am saying if everybody voted me then you should too.

But I agree I am most likely dead and that you should attack me Feanor. Don't be too obvious of course. But I'm hoping (a fool's hope) that I may be able to wiggle my way out. I've at least got to try.

I would be reluctant to kill Firefoot. She seems to be on most of our sides. I can see a good defense in killing Durelin. Durelin voted Kath. Kitanna pointed out the Kath/Morm relationship and the possiblity of Kath being the Mythomaniac. Now,for Kath at least, it's a perfect set up by the wolves. That could be your defense especially after I die.

Any suggestions you can see that would help me would be appreciated.Oh boy. I go away for a couple of hours and look what happens. Here I was all ready to tell you to vote for me after suspicion had been rather pinned on me earlier, to distance yourselves from me, but that doesn't seem necessary now.

I agree that we shouldn't kill Firefoot tonight. She's been on the side of most of you, other than me, so it wouldn't help you to have less support, and it would lok very guilty.

Killing Durelin seems like a good idea too. It would make it seem like Kath had been set up, and might also help to end suspicions that I'm working with her.

Out of all of this so far, Fea, you seem to be really the only one who's escaped any real suspicion. I guess nobody's willing to believe that Mith would choose such a prominent person as a wolf...

Don't be too obvious of course.
Worry not, dear martyr. I'm good at being obvious about entirely the wrong things. You're safe from my mistakes. And it's not like they'll believe me even if I say "I know he's a wolf because I'm one also." I mean, I already told them that I'm a wolf like three times. Of course I only told them that because they wouldn't believe it... "If [s]he was tellin' the truth, [s]he wouldn't have told it!"
I would be reluctant to kill Firefoot.
Good. Glad to see we're agreed.
I can see a good defense in killing Durelin. Durelin voted Kath. Kitanna pointed out the Kath/Morm relationship and the possiblity of Kath being the Mythomaniac. Now,for Kath at least, it's a perfect set up by the wolves. That could be your defense especially after I die. So are we set on killing off Durelin tonight?

Any suggestions you can see that would help me would be appreciated. Um... Sorry buddy. I'm lost on that one. I honestly think you're sunk. You might want to play the frame up idea, but if Kath's to use it later, it might not be a good idea. Ooh, I've got something, maybe. Try getting people to come up with definitive evidence against you. If you make them work for the kill, they might give up just to save effort. I agree. Go ahead once you hear from everybody else. We're still forgetting who the guardian may be. I think it may be Durelin. But as Fea guessed Holbytlass may be the Hunter. Going on the assumption we could try and look back and she if there's anybody that she seems in league with.

Getting the guardian out of the way would be very helpful for the next night. Being as Firefoot voted her I'm inclined to think it's not her. Any other guesses? I'm happy with killing Durelin tonight.

Morm I don't really have any suspicions towards who the Guardian is. If it is Durelin then we get her out of the way tonight by voting for her, if it's someone else we have tomorrow. Okay. Durelin it is. Like Kath said, we've got a good shot of her being Guardian, and if not, there's always tomorrow. I'm PMing Mith. Talk to you guys tomorrow.

Here is a rough draft of my defense. Look it over please and see if it's coherent and if you would buy into it if you were innocent. Let me know before DAY starts please. Thank you and if I do die it's been a pleasure killing, plotting, and herding with you all. Fea's box is full

In post 87 Kitanna admits openly that her suspicions of me are mere speculation. She states that it’s nothing concrete she obviously didn’t dream about me. Post 95 Kitanna admits she is a moron. Apparently she lacks confidence in herself and her ideas. In the same thread she admitted that she had Gil-Galad pegged down as guilty which we know isn’t true. Point is the seer is not infallible In post 118 she knew she was probably going to die and how did she word her decision to vote for me? "I’m going to stick my foot further in my mouth". That to me doesn’t sound like somebody who is sure of herself. The only reason she gave to vote for me is because I gave Gil the benefit of the doubt and my suspicions of Kath have been put on the back burner due to others who I find more suspicious now. My defense for why I voted Kath and not Gil I have previously explained in post 121. Many have changed their minds on who to vote for. I wrote off Gil’s behavior to an overzealous innocent with a general lack of experience. I was correct many others weren’t. If deducing innocence and guilt is a cause for suspicion we may as well roll over and die and let the wolves take over. As far as my vote for Kath and lowering my suspicions of her I have explained that briefly but will do so in a bit more detail. When yesterday started I kept my eye on her and waited to see what she would do. Then I found some rather large areas of suspicion in Durelin and others. Shortly after some suspicious behavior was pointed out by Fea regarding Holbytlass. Now as TGWBS and I discussed consensus was important at this stage. Holbytlass had garnered some votes so I felt more confident in voting for her than Durelin, hoping that other might change their votes. I was still under the impression, until TGWBS pointed it out otherwise, that we needed a overall majority of 6 to ensure the lynching. Again I found Holbytlass and Durelin more suspicious than Kitanna and I was correct again in presuming innocence. Would that others had followed my lead and not lynched Kitanna. Holbytlass whether innocent or guilty is not as important to us as our precious seer is. Firefoot and Fea were rather Fickle in the matter and should be examined closely. It is puzzling to me that after TGWBS put out a plan to protect the seer Kitanna didn’t openly proclaim herself. Would we have believed her? I’m not sure, but if I were the seer and knew that I was heading for the gallows I would say with no room for doubt that I dreamt of so and so and he/she is guilty or innocent. She did neither. But merely suggested that she didn’t have a good feeling about me. If that alone isn’t enough evidence not to lynch me automatically then please read carefully I’m not saying don’t kill me today but don’t make it a rash decision based on inconclusive evidence from our seer. Look back at my actions and decide for yourself if they are suspicious or if I have been a contributing member to out village. I do not make it a habit to defend myself with great zeal but I found it necessary to prepare this during NIGHT so that I could have it ready at the start of the day, knowing that the wolves won’t want such an easy target out of the way for today’s lynchings.
I thought that was great,
morm. You probably would've had me convinced, although I'm not sure if it'll work on some of our more seasoned players. Best of luck to ye, and if you don't survive through tomorrow it's been great to play with you. It's nice to have more experienced players to help me along!

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

And one more night...

tonight
Here are our options, and here is why each one should stay alive:

Holbytlass: She's our hunter. I'm quite sure of it. No point in having a wolf (presumably Kath) die along side her, when she doesn't need to die.

Gil-Galad: Perfectly innocent. We could kill him just for fun, but I've got a better idea.

Nilp: Same as Gil.

TGWBS: Perfectly innocent, but good at talking his way out of trouble. Unless the only one to suspect him (Firefoot) dies.

Firefoot: Also perfectly innocent, but very intelligent. Except for.. .you know... trusting me. That's just a bad judgement call on her part. Now listen: if we kill her off tonight, suspicion falls immediately to TGWBS, since she pointed him out today (I, of course, agreed with her).

If we kill off Firefoot, I'm still in the clear (why kill someone who trusts me?) and we can direct attention to TGWBS.

Worst case scenario: They don't go for it and Kath gets lynched. I'm still clear; Oro's still fairly clear.

Best case: it works, we win.

If you guys agree with me that Firefoot's our safest bet, than one of you needs to PM Mithalwen. I won't be back before tomorrow morning at the very earliest. I agree with Fea that we should kill Firefoot tonight. I will probably be lynched tomorrow no matter what but she is smart and suspected you Oro at the beginning. If we leave her alive much longer then with me out of the way she may turn back to you.

Obviously I'll do anything I can to get out of being killed tomorrow and if others start believing me it would be a great help if one of you two would support me in my campaign against TGWBS. Of course if I am basically being voted for from the first second then don't worry about it. I'll die! Firefoot is fine with me. Good luck tomorrow! Shall I go ahead and PM Mith then? Yes, PM Mith.

About TGWBS: I think it best if I lead the charge against him. Of the three of us, I'm the only one (God only knows how) that's avoided garnering any suspicion. Also, I've already stated doubts about him. I can subtley send out the idea and people will take me seriously. If Kath does it, they'll see "werewolf trick!". If Oro does, they won't know what to think, but they'll probably be sketched out. After it catches a little, if it catches, you guys jump in, but not to fast, savvy? I'd hate to lose the opportunity to win so cleanly and quickly.

If lynching TGWBS does NOT happen, Kath, you will likely die. I will not be trying to save you. I'm the "innocent" one, and I'm not keen on losing that status when it comes in terribly handy for swaying opinions ("Holby might be guilty on practically made up evidence that Fea had to scrounge to even find???! Let's change our votes!").

About Holbytlass: like I said, she needs to stay alive. If you check out voting patterns and statements, she's the only one that can be Hunter, whether she denies it or not. If I'm wrong, I can happily smack myself upside the head, but I doubt I am. TGWBS seconds my findings.

So if we kill Footie tonight, we've got a decent chance of taking out TGWBS tomorrow. Good luck, both of you. Here's a toast to our deceased comrade: go Morm! Way to die for the cause.

[Orominuialwen]

As you all can now tell, I wasn't just quiet in public, I didn't say a whole lot in private either! I could never think of long complicated pieces of logic, so I generally just agreed or disagreed with what people said. I was telling the truth in my post (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=397406&postcount=84) where I said that I had no idea why anyone would want to kill Oddwen -- My inbox was full so I missed most of the PMs where it was decided that we would kill her!

[Mithalwen]

Nothing personal, Oro but I was quite dissappointed that they didn't get you... I had such interesting ideas for snuffing out your persona....

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

I had such interesting ideas for snuffing out your persona....
Would you believe that I already have several deaths outlined for WWVI? Should Lhuna die, it's planned, as is it for LMP, Eomer, and Firefoot. The deaths are versitile enough to be used in nearly any possible situations. I also have my own death written. That's got to be the most interesting thing to think about...

PS: I just got the most fantastic idea, should Nilp die.

[Orominuialwen]

Me too. If it looked like I was going to die, I was going to PM you and ask if you could somehow include a penny whistle in my demise. I taught myself to play a little over a week ago and it would've reminded me terribly of Murder, Must Advertise, which is probably my favorite Dorothy Sayers book.

By the way, Fea and Kitanna, who were you supposed to be? You were the only ones I (or members of my family) couldn't figure out.

[the guy who be short]

It's a shame that I never got to post the folowing:

You're not foolin' me
'Cos I can see
The way you're shakin' and shiv'rin'
You know we've got a mystery to solve...:D So perfect. I don't know why I didn't use it against Kath.

I love how you planned to frame me right from the beginning. I love how I was central to the plans too. :D I'm gonna choose a quote for my siggy some time soon.

Oh, and I found it funny when you referred to my "experience" and "skill"... I've been in one game before, and I was killed on the first Night. Very flattered though.

[Kath]

I loved the characterisation in the game, especially at the beginning when people put clues in their post so you could work it out. Holby's post including the names was great!

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Ah, but TGWBS, you moderated a game, which gives you a level of insight that the rest of us didn't have. Even if it's not true, I knew we could hint at it and scare people into believing us.

And Oro, I was Rachel Sexton from Dan Brown's Deception Point. The introduction Mith used for me was the same Brown used for her in the first chapter. She's an FBI "gister" and daughter of a senator who gets caught up in a huge plot (that I won't reveal) that's centered around a big meteor found in the Arctic.

[Orominuialwen]

Thanks. I've never read the book (an neither had anyone in my family) so I couldn't figure it out. I seemed to confuse quite a few people with my characterization (with the exception of Mith, who is a fan of the books he's from). I was Lord Peter Wimsey, from the wonderful books from the '20's and '30's by Dorothy Sayers. Yes, his middle name is really Death, and yes it really does rhyme with 'teeth'!

[Kitanna]

Oro,
I was Stephanie Plum from Janet Evanovich's series. She's just a bumbling bounty hunter.

[Mithalwen]

I loved the characterisation in the game, especially at the beginning when people put clues in their post so you could work it out. Holby's post including the names was great!

Oh I nearly killed her on the spot for spoiling the fun!!!! But I forgave her when I realised how bravely she was tryiong to get teh villagers back on track :D