Werewolf VI (the saga continues in a rather continuous way)

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Welcome to Werewolf VI! This game will be played by the rules formerly set down by TGWBS in Werewolf IV.

Each DAY the villagers will choose one of thier own to be lynched. Multiple lynchings are allowed, but are frowned upon. Should a tie occur, the subsequent deaths will be boringly narrated in retribution. I will be frowning as I write them. Sherriffs PM during the DAY.

Each NIGHT the wolves will PM each other. Once a victim is chosen, they will PM the mod. The Hunter will PM the mod to choose a target, should he or she die. The Seer will dream a dream. On NIGHT 2, a new role will be assigned to the Mythomaniac.

The game ends when:

1) the villagers successfully lynch all of the werewolves. They will then have a large (or small, depending on how quickly it happens) celebration.

2) the werewolves slim down the numbers until the wolf:villager ratio is equal. They will then rise up and destroy the remaining villagers and cackle loudly as they dance upon the gory scene.

All DAYS and NIGHTS will begin at 9:30 AM with the exception of weekends when they will begin at 12:00 PM. This game will be run on EDT which is GMT -5. Daylight Savings Time does not have any effect on this game, so don't stress yourself out over it. To simplify life, look at the time of the moderator's posts and add 24 hours to it. The exception to this rule is on the weekend where Friday NIGHT will be 26 1/2 hours, Saturday's DAY will be 24 hours, and Sunday's NIGHT will be 21 1/2 hours. Don't over-think this. The moderator will post if and when you need to be reminded. I promise it all evens out.

Please remain invisible during all portions of this game.

Our cast of characters includes:

The Villagers: These players will be active during the DAY only. Their role is to try and figure out who the wolves are by logic and luck alone. We have three villagers.

The Hunter: Each NIGHT, the Hunter PMs the mod to indicate who dies along side, should the HUnter be slain. Should the Hunter be lynched during the DAY, there may be a slight delay in the posting of the death due to the mod needing to hear from the Hunter. It is advised that if death looks probable, the Hunter should send a "just in case" message. There is one Hunter.

The Ranger: each NIGHT, the Ranger PMs the mod to indicate which player he or she wishes to protect. The Hunter may not guard the same person two NIGHTS running. If the Ranger protects the player that has been chosen by the Hunter and the Hunter dies, the Hunter gets the kill and the Ranger is out of luck. There is one Ranger.

The Seer: each NIGHT, the Seer PMs the mod to indicate who he or she would like to dream about. The role of that villager is then revealed to the Seer. There is one Seer.

The Sherriffs: these two villagers are aware of each other's innocence due to long time comradery. They may PM during the DAY only, sharing thoughts and plans. Upon the demise of one Sherriff, a final letter will be sent to the mod to be forwarded to the other Sherriff. There are two Sherriffs.

The Mythomaniac: This villager has the special ability to change form. On NIGHT 2, he or she will PM the mod with the name of another villager. He or she will then take on the role of that player. Should the Mytho choose a wolf or a sherriff, he or she will be introduced to his or her team-mates. If any other role is chosen, the same rules and regulations apply as to the original role. The village will be informed of the new role, although not of the identity of the Mytho. There is one Mytho.

The Wolves: These callous and sneaky individuals are allowed to PM between themselves at NIGHT only. Each NIGHT they choose a target and send the name to the mod. They are encouraged to snicker as they watch the villagers mistakenly kill each other one by one. There are three wolves.

Our list of players is:

Eomer
Footie
Gil
Holby
Kath
Lhuna
LMP
Morm
Nilp
Oromin
Sauregg
TGWBS

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

The sun rose much as it had ever since it was first ordained to by the all-mighty mod. Today's dawn was no different than any other. Every morning in this quiet little village with no apparent name or location, the villagers woke up to a dead body. Sometimes a villager would accidentally remove a body part that should really stay attached and the poor brainless corpse would be found near a hatchet in the early hours. Sometimes an alien ship would appear mysteriously from the clouds and take a poor young girl away with them, to live the adventurous life in far off galaxy. Sometimes the aliens just killed her. Occasionally the daily death was so awful that it was immediately labelled S.E.P. and duly ignored.

This day, the body of Feanor of the Peredhil was discovered. Well... not so much her body was discovered as portions of it were found laid out in a most curious fashion in the park. Interestingly enough, it was only identifiable as the lovely lass by the large number of devoted admirers surrounding was was left of her and dolefully singing songs to bemoan her fate in a somewhat melodramatic and mostly off-key fashion.

As the villagers made their way to the village park to clean up today's gory mess, they were immediately made aware that this was most definately not somebody else's problem. In a highly imporbable fashion, Feanor of the Peredhil had arranged her own brutally torn off strips of flesh to spell three words.

With a gasp, one of the more considerate villagers read her final message aloud: "We've got wolves."

"Well I knew that!" one villager cried, receiving a number of very suspicious glances in return. "They's a'been a'killin' my sheep!"

"I think," a young girl whispered frightenedly, "that she meant werewolves."

"Oh." With that, quite the astounding number of obscenities could be heard throughout the village as the people rushed off to their homes to prepare themselves for the coming troubles. Almost immediately, they had returned to the park, and ignoring the physical evidence of the last words of Fea, they began their debates.

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DAY has begun. It will end 24 hours from now. Werewolves stop PMing, Sherriffs start.

Votes are irretractable and should be posted on a seperate line like this:

++FEANOR

Every player should by now be invisible. Good luck, and enjoy killing each other. I hope several of you die so that I can use the deaths I've cooked up for you.

Mod's Note: After having been corrected about times, and then recorrected, the mod has stopped caring. If you want to figure out time, add 24 hours to my post, and that's when each segment ends. Sherriffs are spelled the way I spell them due to artistic license. Supreme rule: Fea is always right. Should this rule be questioned, an early death will ensue.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Eek! That's a lot of blood! Always liked that lass; fair as a springtime rainbow she was. She will be remembered in song. As for any other clues she might have left behind, I'm quite prepared to ignore them. Can't stand gore. Send for the cleaners!

I'll tell you what though. I'll just suppose that our werewolves are actually ordinary villagers by day, rather than living in a nearby forest, or anything like that. The wolves walk among us. So, whom do we kill?

I would like to immediately propose that we do not kill me.

[Holbytlass]

Poor, poor Feanor, why couldn't she have been abducted by aliens to live an adventurous life in far away galaxy?

"I think," a young girl whispered frightenedly, "that she meant werewolves."[/i]
Now how would this young one know that? I suppose no one is going to fess up to saying this. But I guess we will have to go on this information being correct to rid us of these foul beasts.

[Saurreg]

Alas for Feanor, she will be missed. I concur with Eomer; we've better get the cleaners in immediately. Rats will breed as if there's no tomorrow with this much chow around, I tell ya.

Now onto a more serious note; we must devise a system of analysis based on logical deductions to catch the trio of foul lycans. This would involve reading every post carefully and looking for loopholes or oddities in them. As before voting patterns and times of voting are crucial.

This can work if we are all united.

[the guy who be short]

Poor Fea. Anywho, I have a plan to avenge her.

The Seer should come out and openly declare themself. They can tell us who they dreamt of, whether innocent or guilty. At Night, the Ranger should protect them. The Shirriffs - er, Sherriffs - should also declare themselves.

Reasoning:
Right now, we stand a chance of killing the Seer. That chance is 1 in 12. Tonight, if that doesn't happen, the wolves have a 1 in 8 chance. Next night, they have a 1 in 6 chance, but unless the Seer is extremely subtle (and therefore of little use) they will probably guess who it is by then.

With the plan above, the Seer has no chance of dying until the Ranger is dead.

The Ranger must remain anonymous; the plan revolves around them. If the villagers are about to lynch the Ranger, the Ranger should declare themselves openly. Remaining villagers should then deflect their votes elsewhere. The Ranger will be killed that Night, the Seer the next, but doing this gives the Seer one more Night to Dream.

Now, if the Seer and both Shirriffs openly declare themselves, we have three known innocents. This is enough to rival the wolves. What this means, effectively, is that the pool in which the wolves can hide is smaller - 3 in 9 rather than 3 in 12.

Each Night, the Wolves have to decide - do they kill a known innocent or try to go after the Ranger? By leaving known innocents alive, they are concentrating themselves and helping the villagers. But by killing known innocents, they cannot kill the Ranger (and then the Seer) making them more vulnerable! They will be faced with a very difficult scenario.

Each morning, the Seer should declare who they dreamt of and their status. If they dreamt of an innocent, this adds to the ranks of known innocents, concentratingthe wolves. If they dreamt of a wolf, wonderful, we all kill it.

If the Seer dreams of the Hunter, they should merely say they are innocent. This means the wolves might kill the Hunter, thus (probably) damaging their side.

If the Seer dreams of a Ranger, I don't know what they should do yet, but it's best not name them. Do let us know that the Ranger has been dreamt of though - this means the Ranger knows the Seer will try to avoid them being lynched, so they might not need to come into the open.

Mytho, I'd ask you to become a Seer. You would only operate for one Night before dying, but at least that dream can be shared.


That's it. We can debate the plan, but I assure you it is flawless. In the worst case scenario, the Seer will die two Nights from now, having shared two dreams. In the best, we use it to win.

As I've said, we can debate it, but the plan rests in the hands of the Seer. If they like it, they will declare themselves and the plan must be followed. If no Seer emerges, it cannot be put into action. For all our sakes, I hope the Seer does declare themself.

End. :)

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Moderator's Note: Many narrations were prepared, outlined, or even entirely written before roles were assigned. There are no Freudian Slips, there is no hidden evidence. Don't think it necessary to kill anyone because I liked the atmosphere added by having a scared little girl. I could just as easily have had a macho wood-cutter or miserable old grandmother instead.

EDIT: Second Mod Note: Some rules have been going for so long that the moderator took them for granted and [insert synonym for "forgot" that doesn't sound as much like "She screwed up"] to post them. The Hunter may not guard the same person two nights in a row.

If players have any questions, they should immediately read the mod's mind, figure out the answer, and go from there. Should they misread, their telepathic abilities will be temporarily suspended. Under no circumstances should the roles of other players be the subject of the telepathic exercise.

Learning to love that EDIT button: Every player has received his or her role and is informed of his or her place in the game. As periods are a full 24 hours, there should be no excuse not to be here.

[Firefoot]

TGWBS - Your plan sounds really good. However, I don't think that the Ranger can protect the same person two nights in a row.

Also - if the Seer dreams of the Ranger, I would say that the Seer should just say that said person is innocent... though I suppose that might make them a target for wolves. Hm...

[the guy who be short]

TGWBS - Your plan sounds really good. However, I don't think that the Ranger can protect the same person two nights in a row.It doesn't say that in the rules, though if the Great Deceased Mod in the Sky declares it so, the plan will have to be shelved.

Also - if the Seer dreams of the Ranger, I would say that the Seer should just say that said person is innocent... though I suppose that might make them a target for wolves. Hm...True, it's much better to keep it anonymous. The wolves may decide to kill known innocents.

[mormegil]

TGWBS - Your plan sounds really good. However, I don't think that the Ranger can protect the same person two nights in a row.

What a dissenter! Kill her! Lynch Her! How dare she!

No seriously I agree. I thought that has been a rule for a long while now.

Problem #2. It goes on us accepting the seer's word for it now doesn't it. How can I, or the ranger for that matter, be certain that so and so is the seer? What if two people say they are the seer. One wolf one seer. We have a 1 in 2 chance of killing the right person. If we loose the seer the first day we are nearly sunk.

[the guy who be short]

I was going by the assumption that nobody would voice that in the hope that the wolves wouldn't realise, morm. :p

However, if two people pretend to be the Seer, it's best not to lynch either. Instead, we deduce who the wolf is. In fact, the wolves should have a hard time pretending to be a Seer - if they lie about somebody's guilt, and that person is lynched, the wolf will be found. As soon as a false Seer starts lying, that's game over for them.

EDIT: Plan suspended. *wistful look*

[mormegil]

I have a plan. By using a rather scientific method (a co-worker choosing a number 1 to 12) and matching that number on the list provided above I vote we go for somebody at random today. He choose number 10, which would corespond to Oromin. It is of course a shot in the dark and this way seems as easy as any.

[the guy who be short]

The fatal flaw with your plan being that you could be a wolf, of course.

Well, I would like to hear from the following:
Holbytlass
Lhunardawen

My wonderful abacus tells me they are the wolves, along with you mormy. :p In any case, this whole day is a shot in the dark, so unless one of us says something idiotic, it will have to be a more or less random exercise.

Morm: What would you have done if this co-worker had said "8" (you)? Just wondering.

[Kath]

That's a shame about your plan TGWBS. As I was reading it through I realised that it really would have given us a very strong chance of beating the wolves. But the almighty rules reign supreme :rolleyes: .

Anyhoo so we have to either find a new plan or rely on good old-fashioned shots in the dark which are rarely successful. I don't think we should immediately start demanding to hear declarations of innocence from people though, for one thing they could sound exactly the same whether they came from a real innocent or a wolf! I suggest waiting until everyone has turned up and made at least one post and then start to form suspicions, rather than relying on abacuses (abaci?) or 'scientific' methods. We do have 24 hours which should give those in different time zones or those with less time on their hands to get here and post.

[Holbytlass]

Don't think it necessary to kill anyone because I liked the atmosphere added by having a scared little girl.

I wasn't, just adding atmosphere myself since that's all that can be done in the beginning.

*sigh* That was a very good plan, TGWBS, sorry it can't be done. Oh no! Not the dreaded abicus!! :D

EDIT: One thing we can do this first day is to make sure everyone who is originally supposed to be here are with no substitutions or reincarnations!

[mormegil]

The fatal flaw with your plan being that you could be a wolf, of course.

Morm: What would you have done if this co-worker had said "8" (you)? Just wondering.

First I told my coworker to exclude 8.

Although I would like some explaining from you TGWBS. It's about a sinister possibility regarding your plan. I would have thought you could see the one major hold up in your plan better than anybody. That is of course the Ranger's inability to protect somebody consecutively. It seems to me the perfect ploy to have the seer identify themselves to the wolves and die on the second night thus minimizing the damage the seer can inflict to the wolves. Your main hope was that nobody remembered that and because it wasn't expressly spelled out you thought you could convince us otherwise.

[littlemanpoet]

spits Too bad about the lass. She'd a been a good plow. frowns Now don't get yer snoots all up in a huff. She'd a turned me down anyways. spits Yeah, I know I stink, you all has told me afore. Tough snot. An' as fer thet plan of guy, it was fart in the head, plain an' simple.

Now I know you alls thinks I'm about as suspicious as the next lout, an' you'll probly have me lynched by the end o' the day anyhow, but I'll speak my piece whether ya likes it or not. spits Oh, an' there ain't no way I'm writin' those five stoopid letter to refer to guy. Never liked it. 's as good as tryin' ta swear with a clothespin on yer tongue. turns around, unbuttons his britches and takes leak, then buttons 'em up and turns back around. Frowns

Now don' go lookin' at me like that. I paid my respects ta decency by turnin' around. Ya didn't have ta stare. Anyways, you oughta use my plan. Here it is. I know you'll think it sucks like a blanged catfish moored ta the bottom o' the stream, but here goes.

Seer, whoever you is, you keep yer trap shut about who you is. Don't let nobody know who you is until you has at least one werewolf found out. Better yet, two werewolves. scratches armpit Yeah, I know ya might get unlucky an' stiggered by some werewolf, but it's our best shot. So stay shut up, whoever you is.

An' you villagers what ain't got no gift, put yerself forward ta be lynched. That keeps the gifted free. Yeah, I know there's been wind of this hyere plan here an' there an' it's been argued into the dirt, but it's a good one and I bet it works. scratches crotch and spits 'An if anyone o' yous thinks ta ask me why I don' put myself forward, take a bleedin' guess. Farts for brains. spits and waits, scratching self liberally to the common disgust of all

[mormegil]

LMP my greatest complaint about your plan is it completely destroys the possibility of bagging a wolf tonight. I know all about the odds and we have a chance of killing our seer and ranger, however with such a small village we have a 25% chance of killing a wolf. Now I know that a bum might not understand this ;) but I think there is more to meets the eye under those tattered garments of yours. Take that how you will.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

I know two innocents. I'll share more information once I'm finished tuning my lute.

[the guy who be short]

LMP my greatest complaint about your plan is it completely destroys the possibility of bagging a wolf tonight. I know all about the odds and we have a chance of killing our seer and ranger, however with such a small village we have a 25% chance of killing a wolf. Now I know that a bum might not understand this but I think there is more to meets the eye under those tattered garments of yours. Take that how you will.False. Theoretically, if we picked somebody at random, we would have a 25% chance of killing a wolf. With lycanthropic influence factored in, the chance is realistically much lower. In any case, we have a Seer, a Ranger, a Hunter and two Shirriffs, all of whom are important to the village. That gives us a (theoretical, if done at random) 42% chance of killing a Gifted villager. With wolvish influence factored in, this is again higher.

On the other hand, we cannot gauge reaction and votes. I shall have to think about the plan.

I too think there is more to LMP than meets the eye.

I know two innocents. I'll share more information once I'm finished tuning my lute.Pray do share, though I presume one is yourself.

Although I would like some explaining from you TGWBS. It's about a sinister possibility regarding your plan. I would have thought you could see the one major hold up in your plan better than anybody. That is of course the Ranger's inability to protect somebody consecutively. It seems to me the perfect ploy to have the seer identify themselves to the wolves and die on the second night thus minimizing the damage the seer can inflict to the wolves. Your main hope was that nobody remembered that and because it wasn't expressly spelled out you thought you could convince us otherwise.1) It was a genuine mistake. I didn't notice.
2) If I was a wolf, and I knew that, the proposal would be suicide. I'm not that stupid. :p

I hope you are adequately answered.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

I'd share but I'd like to hear from the wolves first. ;)

Plenty of time left. This is going along nicely so far.

[mormegil]

False. Theoretically, if we picked somebody at random, we would have a 25% chance of killing a wolf. With lycanthropic influence factored in, the chance is realistically much lower. In any case, we have a Seer, a Ranger, a Hunter and two Shirriffs, all of whom are important to the village. That gives us a (theoretical, if done at random) 42% chance of killing a Gifted villager. With wolvish influence factored in, this is again higher.

On the other hand, we cannot gauge reaction and votes. I shall have to think about the plan.



That's why I say do a completely random approach. While I consider the hunter and shirriffs to be important they are not nearly as important as the ranger who also is not as important as the seer. So I'm not for loosing any of them (any innocents for that matter) but it's not the end of the world.

Let's just think carefully:

We have:

12 villagers
3 wolves
1 seer
1 ranger
1 hunter
2 shirriffs
1 mythomaniac

That's 9 of 12 that can't step forward and die. One innocent is killed the first day we only have 2 left. Best case for the village during the night would be that they kill one of the other two. Next day the last remaining villager steps forward to be lyched we have nobody left except gifted villagers or wolves (assuming that the mytho becomes gifted) Now the wolves can one by one pick off the gifted. And what have we accomplished? Well hoping that the seer dreams correctly we can find a wolf or two by their dreams but chances are they won't dream of a wolf. Two days have been wasted that otherwise could have been used to analyze wolf behavior by having innocents step forward to be sacrificed.

[the guy who be short]

That's why I say do a completely random approach.But how do we know you can be trusted to choose somebody completely at random? A wolf could "randomly" choose an innocent. In any case, the chance of killing a Gifted Villie is double that of killing a wolf done randomly.

I would advocate the tried and tested method of evaluating people's moves, but I still need to devote some time to scrutinising LMP's plan. I guess the shortage of innocent villagers is a major shortcoming.

[mormegil]

TGWBS I am now either convinced that you are innocent or are in league with Oromin. I'm inclined to believe in you innocence.

[Firefoot]

TGWBS I am now either convinced that you are innocent or are in league with Oromin. I'm inclined to believe in you innocence. Huh? Morm, where do you get this? Oro has not posted, and TGWBS has not even mentioned her - and she is one of several people he has not mentioned.

[Orominuialwen]

Morm, the thing about doing a completely random approach is that you have as good a chance of lynching a complete innocent as a wolf, and an eve better chance of lynching someone you would really want to keep around. Unless you're a wolf and don't want them around. Hmmm...

[mormegil]

Huh? Morm, where do you get this? Oro has not posted, and TGWBS has not even mentioned her - and she is one of several people he has not mentioned.

I gauged his reaction to my proposal and found him likely to be innocent.

[the guy who be short]

Firefoot - Morm wanted to "randomly" lynch Oro. I'm opposed to this plan of "random" lynching.

Edit: Morm, if your plan was simply to gauge reaction, why didn't you continue and gauge more people's reactions? Why stop at one person!?

[Firefoot]

Okay, I get it now.

[Kath]

hunter and shirriffs to be important they are not nearly as important as the ranger

Now wait a minute morm could we have an explanation for this please? The hunter is very important, when they die they can take one person with them. Now the way they have to do this is to choose a name, one person, who they believe to be a wolf. It would be beneficial to the village then for the hunter to remain under wraps until they are certain of a wolf so that if they are lynched or killed by the wolves they can take one of them with them. The ranger can protect one villager and at that not more than once in a row. So even if they somehow guessed the Seer and protected them one night they would be unable to do this again and the wolves might get the Seer the next night. To me the hunter seems to have the more important role.

Also, since your accusation of Oro was based on nothing more than the random picking of a number how can you lump someone else in with them?

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

You can judge this to be 'siding' with a particular person (as the debate currently stands) but I don't care; I see no suspicious behaviour thus far, and I fear that some of you are beginning to go off on the wrong tangent.

Remember that it's very easy to see another person as a wolf once you get the idea into your head. Take a step back and look at what you're doing.

[mormegil]

Kath in many ways the Hunter can be more of a liability at this stage especially. I clearly said I do not want them killed but the Seer and Ranger are far more important to our survivability. I explained my lumping TGWBS and Oromin earlier but his reactions gave me some insight.

[Holbytlass]

Seer, whoever you is, you keep yer trap shut about who you is. Don't let nobody know who you is until you has at least one werewolf found out. Better yet, two werewolves. scratches armpit Yeah, I know ya might get unlucky an' stiggered by some werewolf, but it's our best shot. So stay shut up, whoever you is.

Another chance for the wolves to find out who the seer is? Or more likely, be lynched for being too quiet. And if said seer never dreams of a wolf until his/her demise then if they say nothing at all they have been no use to the village.

[the guy who be short]

Holbytlass, LMP did not say that the Seer should remain utterly silent. He simply meant "don't openly declare youself," I believe.

I re-iterate: I only defended Oro due to the odds. There is a 50% chance of her being gifted, as compared to a 25% chance of her being a wolf.

Eomer, be reassured. I have not yet classed anybody as a wolf. Though interrogation must be performed...

[mormegil]

One warning I would like to give, is that I want some substance on a daily basis from everybody. They don't need to be loud and obnoxious like me :p but a minimum of one post a day of something more than one sentence. I feel that being too quiet doesn't contribute at all and wolves are able to hide very easily among quiet villagers.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

I'm looking forward to tomorrow morning when I should be able to name and shame at least two werewolves. And you should all trust me, for the King hisself has invited me to perform music at his palace not three weeks from today; and as we should all realise, accomplices of royalty are of the utmost integrity.

tgwbs, you are completely correct: everyone must be interrogated. So: what were you doing last night? :smokin: (<- detective hat) I heard from one of my reliable sources (the friendly bluebird) that you were out for a gander late at night. A bit unusual, yes? Let him speak! I hope you were only nightswimming m'boy; I'd hate to have to hang you.

Nilp and that Lhunatic have different sleeping habits from most of us; the perfect alibi to escape mob interrogation. A bit....too perfect if you ask me. Yes, interesting, verily. A bit.....too interesting if you ask me.

Yes... *strokes chin*

I'd like to hear more from Lionel Hutz, uh...I mean, Saurreg, but I guess we'll have to wait until the morn for that, he living away on the East side of town. ;)

[Holbytlass]

Holbytlass, LMP did not say that the Seer should remain utterly silent. He simply meant "don't openly declare youself," I believe.
OH, DUH!!

One thing that won't work for us if the 3 ungifted villagers are lynched right of way, there is less people for the wolves to figure out who might be who, since the 3 wolves know who they are then we've taken out 3 ordinary villagers that just leaves 6 people for the wolves to study the posts making it easier for them to figure out.

[Firefoot]

But, Holbytlass, if we can't lynch a wolf, wouldn't it be better to lynch an ungifted villager than a gifted one? It would definitely be very bad to lose our Seer or Ranger; we want the hunter alive until they're sure of someone's guilt; the Shirriffs, while I wouldn't say that they're as important as the other three, are certainly more useful than the regular innocents; the Mytho could go either way, depending on what role s/he takes on. If we don't catch a wolf, I would certainly rather that we take an ordinary villager.

[the guy who be short]

tgwbs, you are completely correct: everyone must be interrogated. So: what were you doing last night? (<- detective hat) I heard from one of my reliable sources (the friendly bluebird) that you were out for a gander late at night. A bit unusual, yes? Let him speak! I hope you were only nightswimming m'boy; I'd hate to have to hang you.I was indeed out for a gander, and I will not deny it. Who can deny the palates of the stomach? The gander was delicious, I assure you, served by a master chef at a nearby village. I could eat an entire family of geese served up by him.

Now, I'll not deny that my night-time gander is an odd habit, but it's perfectly safe, I assure you. No lycanthropy for me. I was too stuffed full of goose to eat an innocent lass like Feanor.

[littlemanpoet]

So ya don't like me plan? Big deal. See if I care.

spits

Yer all women in trousers anyways.

Now Eomer I don' like you as playin' so many games wit' me head. Wut is you? King's messenger? You dress the fop enough fer it.

scratches hisself then picks up a stick, pricks his thumb and starts making marks on his hand

I'm trackin' what all you say, so watch it. See?

raises hand for all to see scratches on palm made with own blood but nobody wants to get close to take a look because the stench is unbearable

All right, who's gonna help me carry these pieces of the by gone moddess goddess off to where she ain't such a wrong kind of sight? Don' all step forward at once.

By the by, it's way stinkin' too early to tell anything about anybody yet. 'Ceptin' Eomer's a fop, Morm's a loudmouth, guy's ana - um - ana - um - smart, Holby's tryin' to figger out which way is up, Firefoot looks clean as I'm filthy, and Oro's against random picking. I'm aginst it too. You know my plan. I won' keep harpin' it. Random's stoopid though.

[the guy who be short]

LMP, my good, er, man... please address these parts of your plan:

1) We can't look at voting records to deduce wolves.
2) We eliminate that small chance of getting a wolf.
3) Gifted Villies will die anyway. At night, it is almost certain. At Day, well, we'd run out eventually.

[Holbytlass]

Firefoot, that's perfectly true, however, the importance of the ordinary villager is to cover the gifted by sheer numbers. We just don't have enough in this village. Sure we could just lynch ordinary innocents for the first two days (definitely better than the gifted) but that doesn't leave much cover for the gifted and the seer has a good enough chance of being killed the third night or maybe one night more due to the wolves figuring out who is who.
Unless, the seer wants to proclaim themselves on the third night, the ranger protect them that night and we would have 3 dreams and 2 lynches prooving peoples innocence thus narrowing down who the wolves are (assuming the seer didn't dream of a wolf). I realize this has as many holes as swiss cheese, the ranger might have happened to guard the seer the night before and therefore couldn't do it again, or the people the seer dreamt about might be the ones we've already lynched. Anyway, those are my thoughts.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

What's a fop? If you're commenting on my rather superb attire then I must say Guilty as charged. If the werewolves have any class then they'll leave such a prim and proper gentleman such as myself well alone.

*sniff*

*adjusts hat*

Firefoot, we can lynch a wolf. Let's stop all this talk of killing our own.

tgwbs, interesting habit you have there. Goose is quite superb when you can get it.

I'll speak to you all later.

[Firefoot]

Firefoot, we can lynch a wolf. Let's stop all this talk of killing our own. Oh, I know. I am totally against deliberately killing an innocent.

I didn't realize that what Holbytlass was doing was arguing against the deliberate killing of innocents. I couldn't figure out what she was trying to say. Now that I realize that, I agree with your thoughts, Holby.

See, I'm dense like that. If you don't put quotes up for what you're responding to, like as not I'll read it as a stand alone theory. That's twice in one day now that I've done that. Oh dear. :rolleyes: I promise, I'll read more carefully from now on.

I think our best bet for today is for everyone to vote for who they think is guilty. That way, everyone won't be voting for the same person, and that voting will leave evidence that we can make some sense out of.

[the guy who be short]

I think our best bet for today is for everyone to vote for who they think is guilty. That way, everyone won't be voting for the same person, and that voting will leave evidence that we can make some sense out of.While I agree with the plan due to the latter point, remember that the wolves have the ability to influence the vote. I'm betting on an innocent death toDay.

[Holbytlass]

I'm looking forward to tomorrow morning when I should be able to name and shame at least two werewolves. And you should all trust me,

Does anyone else find this odd? It does intrigue me to hear what he has to say, but isn't this a bit forward in saying he is the seer? A seer has dreams, not advance knowledge of who they are going to dream about.
Either Eomer is trying to lure the wolves after him tonight and not a gifted villager, a noble thing to do or he is trying to get the ranger to protect him so that while the ranger is busy protecting him, he and his wily pack can kill off any one they choose.

[Firefoot]

OR Eomer is one of the Shirriffs, and our Shirriffs have agreed that it is in the best interest of the village for us to know who they are, telling us of two known innocents. Then the wolves would have a choice: kill a known innocent who we will not be lynching, leaving alone the Seer and Ranger, or make an attempt to kill the Seer or Ranger, leaving us with two known innocents who we won't lynch.

[the guy who be short]

Does anyone else find this odd? It does intrigue me to hear what he has to say, but isn't this a bit forward in saying he is the seer?I'm not so sure he's saying he's the Seer. I think he's using his conker for a bit of deduction. Though you can't really tell.

[Holbytlass]

It's my turn to try and figure out what you, Firefoot, are trying to say. I'm dense like that, too. For the life of me, I can't see where you got him trying to be a shirriff but I do get the shirrif plan though.
Well, Eomer's conker is usually pretty good though, but he's being rather weird about it.

[Kath]

Don't you just hate people who confuse you? Eomer and LMP have left me completely clueless as to what they are and why they are saying some things and just confusing me in general really! Eomer especially has me in the dark with his statement about knowing who two of the wolves are. I looked at both Firefoot and Holby's ideas about why he would do this and still have no clear idea on an answer - any chance of you clearing this up Eomer?

All this confusion is also giving me problems with forming any feelings one way or the other with people. I have absolutely no idea who is a wolf and who not. I understand the logic (and maths :eek: ) that say we have an unfortunately high chance of lynching a gifted villager and then having another killed at night. Therein lies the major problem as if a gifted villager revealed themselves during the day they are pretty much guaranteed to be killed by the wolves at night. Even with ranger protection they would only be safe for one night so it's too dangerous to reveal themselves. Of course they can post what they know (in the case of the Seer) but not outright so unless there is some major hint within the post we will not know that they are the Seer, and that can't really happen because the wolves are equally capable of picking up on this hint.

So really we can only hope that the mythomaniac chooses to be the Seer. If this occurred then though we would still have more gifted villagers we could then hope that both dreamt of wolves. If they said so outright we could lynch them over two days with the ranger having a one in two chance of protecting the Seer the wolves chose to go after on the first night.

Well that is the sum of my rambling thoughts. If anyone actually made sense out of them do let me know!

[Orominuialwen]

Eomer, what is going on? You're behaving in a most bizzare fashion. I have a gut feeling that says you're innocent, but innocents who behave suspiciously tend to get themselves lynched. I think we all could do with some sort of explanation.

[mormegil]

No posts from

Gil-Galad the thunder mistress :p (don't think I'll ever stop that one)
Lhuna
Nilp

I understand why Nilp and Lhuna haven't yet but Gil's a bit of a mystery so far. I understand we have a lot of time left, but I reassert that I want at least one substantial post from each. Incidentally that would include Saurreg. Again I understand why he hasn't posted but just wanted to say it again.

[Holbytlass]

Gil-Galad the thunder mistress :p (don't think I'll ever stop that one) Gil's going to kill me!! And Saurreg is a girl.

I have an idea who might be the shirrifs but since they're not saying anything maybe I shouldn't.

[littlemanpoet]

LMP, my good, er, man... please address these parts of your plan:

1) We can't look at voting records to deduce wolves.
2) We eliminate that small chance of getting a wolf.
3) Gifted Villies will die anyway. At night, it is almost certain. At Day, well, we'd run out eventually.

bad sectors on computer. NO persona. must post fast. 1 no matter. 2 is negligible. 3 is held at bay by lynching innocents for at least first 2 days. Hope this takes. May not be able to post until tomorrow morning ealry. GRRRRR!

[mormegil]

I guess before we continue pushing forward the plan to kill innocent volunteers I would like to know besides LMP is there anybody out there that is somewhat in favor of it? If it comes down to many people supporting the plan I wil consider supporting it too.

[Holbytlass]

Im not really for it. The opinions who matter most on this plan would be the 3 ordinary villagers. And would we believe them to be the ordinary villagers?

[Firefoot]

For the life of me, I can't see where you got him trying to be a shirriff but I do get the shirrif plan though. I'm just trying to figure out why he might be acting as he is; there is no evidence to suggest that he is a Shirriff, except that it wouldn't make a lot of sense for him to be acting like this if he was the Seer because he'd be getting himself very likely mauled by wolves and us not knowing the identity of a wolf. (I'm not sure that made sense.) And a Shirriff is the only other innocent who could know the innocence of another person without a doubt.

Like Kath, I am having difficulty figuring out lmp. I can't tell if he's an innocent just kind of blundering around or a wolf pulling off an act.

I'm inclined to think that Morm and TGWBS are innocent loudmouths. No certainties there, though.

I'm also leaning towards Holbytlass' and Kath's innocence; I'm unsure about everyone else.

[Saurreg]

but I reassert that I want at least one substantial post from each. Incidentally that would include Saurreg. Again I understand why he hasn't posted but just wanted to say it again.

If you've read all the pre-game sign ups then you'll know that I'm 12 hrs ahead of you guys and that my first post was submitted at night right before bed. May I also refer you to the Fall of the North RPG where I had made a long post immediately after I posted here? That effort together with the need to sleep justified the brevity of my initial statement last night (local time).

In any case I am happy you are taking the analytical stance. Work beckons now, I will post my observations in a few hours time.

[Saurreg]

Eomer
Voted for:
Posting Behaviour: First to post. Offers nothing substantial. Claims to know two innocents. Could be a talented character (but how can he account for two - sheriff?) or a sly lycan throwing in his gambit.

Firefoot
Voted for:
Posting Behaviour: Logical rejoinder and counter-suggestion to TGWBS's aborted plan. Thinks Eomer might be a sheriff. Questions Mormegil's suspicions. Not much to work with.

Gil-Galad
Voted for:
Posting Behaviour: Single short non-substantial post. Does not answer to Mormegil's punt. Interesting...

Holbytlass
Voted for:
Posting Behaviour: Read to much into the mod's 1st post. Offers nothing substantial,sShe agrees immediate to TGWBS' plan without batting an eyelid, when everybody has yet to endorse. Worth taking a closer look.

Kath
Voted for:
Posting Behaviour: Angst induced rambling (apparant). Nothing to work with. A lycan testing the waters?

littlemanpoet
Voted for:
Posting Behaviour: Wants volunteer lynching of three innocents. Wants Seer to remain highly inconspicous (read - ineffective). Very bizzare. To be observed closely. Highest suspect yet.

Lhuna
Voted for:
Posting Behaviour: No posts. Nothing to work on.

Nilpaurion Felagund
Voted for:
Posting Behaviour: No posts. Nothing to woek on. Strangely enough, his absence is vouched by Mormegil. In cahoots? Sherriffs or lycans?

Orominuialwen
Voted for:
Posting Behaviour: Insubstantial post. Nothing to work with.

the guy who be short
Voted for:
Posting Behaviour: Most vocal. Suggested an aborted scheme. Suspects nobody yet but homs in on Hoby and Lhun for unknown reason. Rivalry forming between him and morm.

Mormegil
Voted for:
Posting Behaviour: Suggested a less than perfect scheme that might end in random senseless lynch (what for?). Singles out TGWBS and Oro (why?) out of no where and then thinks TGWBs si innocent. Highly erratic post behaviour. The delivery of that post contradicts its meaning. A lycan?


Werewolf behaviour to note:

1. Unless they have access problems, they will monitor the development of events very closely and try to swerve opinion by direct intervention.

2. They will not usually bandwagon outright to avoid suspicion. However they might be tempted to try so as a gambit (last resort), as a bluff call.

3. Good lycan players throw red herrings and create confusion. This is done by active post direction with sensational contents.

Eomer I so happen to watch the Simpsons and I know what Lionel Hutz is. If that is your plot to bait me into a flame and get me into trouble with forum authorities simply because of our run-in in the last game, you will not succeed. That meaningless sentence only serves to show how petty and shallow you are in person.

[mormegil]

No posts from

Gil-Galad the thunder mistress :p (don't think I'll ever stop that one)
Lhuna
Nilp

I understand why Nilp and Lhuna haven't yet but Gil's a bit of a mystery so far. I understand we have a lot of time left, but I reassert that I want at least one substantial post from each. Incidentally that would include Saurreg. Again I understand why he hasn't posted but just wanted to say it again.


Saurreg, I said I understand why Lhuna and Nilp haven't posted yet...the whole Phillipines thing. Not just Nilp. I also understand your situation. That's what I meant. I'll say more clearly that I expect better from Gil-Galad in particular. That substandard post will not count as substantial and I will suspect him of being a wolf hiding by giving us little to nothing to be suspicious of.

I will not explain myself regarding my idea of random killings other than to say I was not totally serious and that should suffice.

Edit: Very nice post with good substance Saurreg.

[Lhunardawen]

Alas for poor Fea...Who could have done this to such a fair maiden?

*takes a deep breath, composes herself*

My apologies for dropping in late, but as you all know very well I live in a very weird time zone. And I see that this fact has brought some to look upon me suspiciously. *glares at tgwbs* But I'll give you the benefit of the doubt; after all, you've been a consistent loudmouth. And I don't know how reliable you think that abacus of yours is, but I'll tell you one thing: It is not reliable.

I've been counting with my fingers for the longest time, and I realized that there are only three ordinary villagers compared to six gifted ones. (I'm bad in math, so there.) In doing a random lynching we are more likely to lynch one of these gifted villagers than an ordinary villager OR a werewolf. On the other hand, I don't really think voluntary lynching of an ordinary villager is a good idea.

I think our best bet for today is for everyone to vote for who they think is guilty. That way, everyone won't be voting for the same person, and that voting will leave evidence that we can make some sense out of. For now I agree that's the best we can do, and maybe we can pick up the pace eventually from there. I just hope we don't choose to lynch a gifted villager...

While I agree with the plan due to the latter point, remember that the wolves have the ability to influence the vote. I'm betting on an innocent death toDay. Then, sadly, we'll have to live with that. At least from there we'll have an idea who the werewolves possibly are.

P.S. By the way, Nilp might not be able to post toDay due to some...financial difficulties. His words exactly.

EDIT: Gil-galad, just because of that totally senseless post, I'm keeping an eye on you from now on. :p

[Lhunardawen]

Just a thought...by lynching an innocent during the Day, don't we increase the chance of the werewolves killing a gifted by Night?

[mormegil]

Well I gave my warning that I would pass judgement on those who refuse to post anything of substance. Thank you Lhuna for posting and for informing us of Nilp. I do hope that he will be able to post tomorrow or else I may take exception to him. However I understand that due to you time zone and country troubles it has been difficult and I am sympathetic with that. However Gi-Galad's post leaves much to be desired and either he hasn't read much of anything or didn't take me seriously.

It is due to my time zone that I need to vote now. Yes we still have 8 hours but it's approaching midnight for me and I work in the morning.

funny how its always the small villages that gets attacked...oooh maybe they'll kill me next, i can't take the tension...*ah-hem* I don't want to be dead! I want to be alive! Or, A Cowboy!

Well Gil you may become a dead Cowboy!

++Gil-Galad

[mormegil]

Just a thought...by lynching an innocent during the Day, don't we increase the chance of the werewolves killing a gifted by Night?

Yes but only slightly. But similar logic states that by killing a wolf we are less likely next time. We have a 50/50 chance of killing somebody in the gifted category and somebody in the innocent/wolf category (3 of each)

[Lhunardawen]

It's highly probable that I won't get to post later tonight, so I'll have to cast my vote:

++Gil-galad

Dejá vû, eh?

[littlemanpoet]

Eomer
Voted for:
Posting Behaviour: First to post. Offers nothing substantial. Claims to know two innocents. Could be a talented character (but how can he account for two - sheriff?) or a sly lycan throwing in his gambit.

littlemanpoet
Voted for:
Posting Behaviour: Wants volunteer lynching of three innocents. Wants Seer to remain highly inconspicous (read - ineffective). Very bizzare. To be observed closely. Highest suspect yet.


I quoted these two (see? written in blood right here) ---produces forearm--- because I think Saur's onto something in the first one, an' I'll defend myself regarding the second. Second first: I'm not even going to say whether I'm innocent or a werewolf. Figure it out for yourselves. That's your problem. I know what I am and I'll do what I can, but the lot o' you don't trust me no how so it don't much matter. The Seer shuttin' up about bein' the Seer potentially saves the Seer's life so that said Seer can be useful toward the end game when Seer is most effective. Yes I know it involves the risk of losing the Seer if the wolves get lucky, but I still think it's worth that risk because if the Seer shuts up about being seer early, the only way the wolves will get Seer is if they're lucky. Get it? Fart for brains? :p

Saur, yer attempt at ana - ana - um - bein' smart says ta me that yer either innocent or a wolf playin' poker face. ;) We'll see. I'm leanin' toward innocent, but that c'ld change.

About Eomer. Actin' way too silly. He better out with his theories now before votes or I'm votin' fer him. An' if he votes fer me, fine. I'd expect it from a fop.

About Gilly: I think you guys are rushin' t' the kill on shoddy grounds. So he says next to nothin' worthwhile in one post. It don't mean nuthin one way or the other. Yer just usin' it as an excuse not to think harder. Too bad fer you. Wasted vote.

Guy, I get it finally on yer #1 point above. If we all vote for the same ungifted innocent, THEN we can't tell werewolf voting patterns whereas if everybody votes to their thinking, werewolf thinking can maybe be found out. Okay. That was the weaker part of my plan. The big part is seer, stay shut up until you have sumthin worth talkin' about like a wolf or two.

Eomer, you got a little while to defend yerself.

[littlemanpoet]

++Eomer

I don' trust his screwy posting. Making suggestions about this and that, tryin' to redirect people's thoughts in a suspicious way. I expect more. Playin' games with people's minds.

[the guy who be short]

May I ask everybody who can to stop and WAIT before they vote, please? We see a situation where G-G could be bandwagonned simply for being who he is.

If he doesn't come up with something to say, let's kill him. If he does, deflect the votes.

For myself, I will probably be voting Firefoot. She's quiet, she's present but not noticable, she wants to kill innocent villagers. As I've said, this plan has immediate flaws. No voting records to look at. No way to work out wolves. Higher chance of Gifted Villies dying in the Night. With as many Gifteds as we have, some will die anyway.
Perhaps the same could be said of LMP, but at least he is present and admitting the weak points. I can only see him as innocent.

I have a "semi-plan" to share. If the Seer looks like s/he is about to be lynched, tell us who you are! We lynch somebody else, wolves kill Seer at Night. It works better than way.

If a Shirriff is about to by lynched - tell us who the other one is! The werewolves are forced to lynch them.

[Saurreg]

Eomer is a wild card. He could be a very bold wolf masquerading as special villager or he could really be one. If he is a special villager then he would be either our seer or one of the sheriffs.

However I really question his boldness in proclaiming his knowledge on who the two innocents are. Would a special character risk everything so soon by proclaiming privilege information, especially when there are so many suspects about? I should think that any special character would try to drop subtle hints whilst laying as inconspicous as possible until the time comes to reveal himself and to quote a famous seer loosely, "carry out the crusade with impunity" ;)

[Saurreg]

TGWBS has a valid point about Gil-galad. But quite frankly I'm reading more into the votes levied against him.

mormegil stated that his vote on the first day is more or less random but based on who was the most suspicious in my opinion. That is quite fair and in the spirit of gamesmanship, morally correct. I see nothing wrong.

But...

Lhun who has been pretty quiet herself immediately joins Morm and votes for Gil for whatever reason, we don't know.

Ten minutes apart. Interesting no?

[the guy who be short]

However I really question his boldness in proclaiming his knowledge on who the two innocents are. Would a special character risk everything so soon by proclaiming privilege information, especially when there are so many suspects about?I'm quite certain he is neither a Seer nor a Shirriff - it would be stupid for the Seer to come out so early, and there is no seond Shirriff supporting Eomer. I find it much more likely that he'll be trying to work things out logically.

[Saurreg]

I'm quite certain he is neither a Seer nor a Shirriff - it would be stupid for the Seer to come out so early, and there is no seond Shirriff supporting Eomer. I find it much more likely that he'll be trying to work things out logically.

And pray tell, what logic are you referring to?

[Kath]

Lhun who has been pretty quiet herself immediately joins Morm and votes for Gil for whatever reason, we don't know.

I was a little concerned about that also but maybe it was due to the fact that she will not be back later and had little time to make a decision. It could be seen as bandwaggoning of course (I love that word!) but it could also just be that she agrees with Morm's ideas and saw no need to put them again.

The problem with that is that I don't understand mormegil's reasons on voting for Gil. He said it was due to the lack of substantial posting, but Gil never posts a huge amount so it is difficult to use this as a reason, especially seeing as how Oro has made even fewer posts with just as little in them. I realise he now can't answer for himself but I'm just wondering if this strikes anyone else as odd.

And Saurreg, I apologise for my meandering, rambling post, but I needed to get my thoughts written out so that when I try to work out what on earth I meant I have something to go back and refer to.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Saurreg.

You really threw me there. If you were joking then shame on you! For it quite hurt me to read that.

Let me explain the 'Lionel Hutz' comment. I was not comparing the two of you. I was not calling you a tricky lawyer. I merely insert Simpsons quotes in some of my posts. I used to do it all the time in Crazy Captions. I was quoting Sideshow Mel because he used the exact same tone of voice I demanded. It was as if I was standing up and saying forcefully I want to hear from Saurreg. Because I really did; you are clever and have much to offer.

And you really made me gasp by referring to our run-in in a previous game. Run-in? What on Earth? Because I accused you of being a werewolf? But that's part of the game! We are meant to get at each other viciously (just look at LMP in this game ;) ). Saurreg; we did not have a run-in. Remember your Eomer-sig? I said that was brilliant in the best signatures thread. In the few posts you have made which I have been fortunate enough to read, I have gained much admiration for you.

Sorry for interrupting the game like that, but I really wanted to clear things up.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

I can't believe how seriously some of you took my comment. Did the whole Royalty thing throw you?

By two innocents I meant me and someone else. I am quite content to keep this (likely) innocent quiet for now.

As to the wolves, I'm working on it! Let me re-read everything.

[Holbytlass]

My initial vote is for Eomer, but since it is not retractable I'm waiting for his evidence, which I hope is compelling.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Well, let's get some dialogue going Holby.

What exactly do you mean by 'his evidence'? Evidence that I'm innocent? Well, I have none. And neither does anyone else.

What do you want from me exactly?

[Holbytlass]

As to the wolves, I'm working on it! Let me re-read everything.
My mistake then, I thought this implied you had something therefore I am willing to hear what you had to say and not rashly vote for you.

[Saurreg]

I will be away for the rest of the night (local time) and therefore I must cast my vote now. I would have like to wait for TGWBS to reply to my query and perhaps see who he votes against. However RL beckons.

++Eomer of the Rohirrim

Had I more time, I would have waited and perhaps chose someone else depending on circumstances. However as of now I am most suspicious of him and the moltives behind his posts. I believe him to be a werewolf which is trying to confuse the village with a bold gambit.

[Firefoot]

Okay, so here's where I'm at after catching up on the stuff I missed overnight:

Eomer - is posting in a confusing manner. He tells us he has information, then does not share it. It seems to me that he is either the Seer, a Shirriff, or a Wolf - the only three who know the identity of any innocents. Or maybe he's the hunter, who doesn't actually know any other innocents, and he's trying to get killed (yeah, that's a shot in the dark). I'm not sure what to think, though - I want to hear something conclusive from him.

Gil - one brief post, holding non-pertinent information. Nothing to work with - he's either being himself or being a wolf, or being both.

Holby - is opposed to deliberately lynching innocents, probably a good sign. Not a lot else to work with, though.

Kath - I'm not really sure. She could, like Saurreg said, be a wolf testing the waters, or she could be innocent. She seems pretty clueless, though (no offense, Kath ;) ) - I suppose I'm leaning innocent.

Lhuna - What she said makes sense, but she didn't really contribute anything new to the table. That could go either way - either she's a villager who hasn't been able to make much sense out of the posting so far, or she's a wolf not wanting to put her nose out too far. Her vote for Gil is interesting, but not really conclusive. There just isn't any substance to Gil's post, so barring any other suspects, a vote for him makes sense. Or she could be a bandwaggoning wolf. Unknown.

LMP - wants to lynch ungifted innocents. Even if I don't agree with his logic, I can mostly follow it. I do, however, find his response that not being able to deduce wolves from voting records is no matter - this doesn't make sense to me. Voting records are some of the best evidence we have, especially this early in the game.

Morm - expects people to live up to certain expectations - i.e. contributing something of substance every day. This could be a wolvish ploy to take the spotlights off himself, but I'm coming to think that's just the way Morm is. He has tended to make sense to me. At this point I can't tell if he is bluffing or innocent.

Nilp - No posts. Nothing to comment on.

Oromin - Two brief posts, nothing conclusive to comment on. Possibly a wolf trying to slip under the radar.

Sauregg - His analysis made sense to me. Could be a wolf but I doubt it.

TGWBS - I'm not really sure. He's very vocal. His plan would have been good but for the fact that a Ranger can't guard the same person twice - if he honestly didn't catch this, he is innocent. If he tried to get by with it, he's likely a wolf. But we can't prove that either way. He accused me of wanting to lynch innocents even though I specifically said I didn't, but that's no grounds for lynching.

[the guy who be short]

Saurreg - I don't know what logic Eomer would be using. If I did, I would probably fill it with holes, and failing that, use it myself. In any case, I don't think a Seer would be as open as him, and a shirriff would have a partner.

For myself, the Day draws to a close. I am weary of Firefoot, and have not seen her since I accused her.

++Firefoot
Remember the wolves are probably quiet and laughing at the votes against Eomer and G-G.

Edit: Oh dear, cross-post. That's a shame, but what's done is done.

Firefoot, I was referring to this: But, Holbytlass, if we can't lynch a wolf, wouldn't it be better to lynch an ungifted villager than a gifted one?I missed you later changing your mind about that. Still, changing your mind... wolfy or not? I'm not sure. I think you're slightly more innocent now due to the analytical response, but for a lack of anybody better to vote for, why not you? :p

[Firefoot]

I am weary of Firefoot, and have not seen her since I accused her. That's because you posted your accusation at 5:20 AM, my time. I didn't wake up until two hours later.

Since you seem to want a response from your accusation (even if it is too late), here it is:

For myself, I will probably be voting Firefoot. She's quiet, she's present but not noticable, I have reasons for being quiet. A) When I throw out possibilities this early in the game, they tend to be wrong. I am stubborn enough that once I start thinking one way I don't tend to change unless I see good evidence. So, I'm reserving judgment until there is something to comment on. Right now I'm just trying to figure everyone out; I'll be more vocal once I have some ideas. B) I don't want to unknowingly contribute to wolves' tricks again.she wants to kill innocent villagers. No, I don't. I'm sorry if it appears that way because I misunderstood the point Holby was trying to make, but lynching innocents is not my intent. I want to lynch wolves. I don't see much chance of doing so, but I proposed my idea: I think our best bet for today is for everyone to vote for who they think is guilty. That way, everyone won't be voting for the same person, and that voting will leave evidence that we can make some sense out of. I know that it is doubtful that we will lynch a wolf this way. I also know that it is doubtful that we will catch a wolf any other way - and I don't really hear any other proposals of how to catch a wolf toDay. At least this way, we will have something to work with in the coming DAYs. Capíche?

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Screwy posting?

OK, two innocents: myself and the guy who be short. Just look at the plan he had. In the best spirits, I believe. I had honestly forgotten that little rule about the Guardian too so it's easy for me to believe him. All this talk of the plan being an attempt to reveal the Seer is naive. tgwbs knew that the Seer would not reveal his or herself until after the plan had come under serious scrutiny. So if he did know the snag in his plan then he would also have realised that the plan would never catch on.

About catching werewolves and believing in my integrity due to my royal connections.....take a step back. Some things in the game are not meant to be taken with the utmost seriousness. Were it not for jests the game would be half as entertaining.

As for me really catching wolves, why all the pressure on me? We're all meant to be catching wolves. Why am I being called upon to offer my evidence? What's so special about me? What's so screwy about my posting?

Stop voting for me. You have nothing to go on. I will most likely vote for Gil-galad to save myself now. Even so, all this pressure on me is telling. When my innocent body is swaying gently in the wind, take a close look at those who were out to get me.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Mod's Note: there is only a half hour left and seven of you haven't voted yet. Get moving.

EDIT: *impatient cough* 17 minutes. I will be very put out should there be a double lynching by default.

[Firefoot]

I will likely be voting for one of the following: Gil, Lhuna, or Oromin. I don't think Eomer is a wolf after hearing who he 'knew' to be innocent and why. I'm not sure about Gil; I don't think he's a wolf yet, I think he's just being himself. Lhuna didn't give us anything new to think about and jumped on Gil after Morm voted for him. Oromin hasn't posted anything of substance either but at least it has been pertinent to the game. She readily nudged the suspicion away from herself in her first post to Morm - "unless you're a wolf..."

I don't know if Lhuna or Oromin have any chance of being lynched though. The vote seems to be going to Gil or Eomer.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

The tricky thing is, I can understand all votes cast thus far.

Except littlemanpoet's. He jumps on me for screwy posting. I have already explained why my posts were not screwy. The innocents I have named. The wolves I have linked to my royal connections, eg. Mirth. Nothing screwy there at all.

His plan of lynching innocents is a funny one too. And also telling the Seer to be quiet is strange. I would love some of the Seer's information. What if the Seer dies two nights from now, keeping quiet so that we learn nothing from him/her? I don't think his strategy is a good one for a villager, but it's his singling out and subsequent vote for me which makes me think. He realised that by pointing to my so-called 'screwy posting' he could make a target out of me. Saurreg has followed him, despite alluding to wanting to lynch someone else.

I really want to vote for littlemanpoet, but I might have to vote for Gil to save myself.

[Holbytlass]

As for me really catching wolves, why all the pressure on me? We're all meant to be catching wolves. Why am I being called upon to offer my evidence? What's so special about me? What's so screwy about my posting?
Post 3- spirit of game
post 19- eludes to 2 innocents
post 21- joke
post 31- warns against getting the idea of seeing people as wolves stuck in head. (isn't that the point)
post 36-says he has evidence to name and shame 2 wolves tomorrow (the royalty part again spirit of game obviously but now redirects to wolves)
post 43- joke
post 75- irrelevant (clearing up personal issues)
post 76- points out again, 2 innocents, himself and someone else then states the quote above.
post 78- wants dialogue with me and doesn't understand what I want from him
post 84-names himself and TGWBS as his innocents.

Eomer is confusing as he states he has 2 wolves in mind but won't name them, doesn't understand what people want from him when it is based on what he posts.

++Eomer

[Firefoot]

Well, time runs short. There don't seem to be enough people hanging around to lynch someone else and avoid a double (triple?) lynching. So I guess I'll cast my vote for

++Gil-Galad.

If he isn't guilty, at least we won't have to be confused by his short, insubstantial posts.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

No, no, no! I have NO wolves in mind! MIRTH MIRTH MIRTH!

I was seriously going to vote for littlemanpoet there. I barely see the point now. I know I'm going to die.

Oh, what the hell...

++ littlemanpoet

Don't bother trying to make a tie with Gil. He's probably innocent.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

You guys are done. Eomer's dead. Expect a post very shortly.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

And so was it decided that Eomer of the Rohirrim would be the day's scapegoat.

"What is wrong with you people!?" he cried out in a pained voice, leaning nonchalantly on the edge of the village well. "Can't you see that I'm innocent? And besides that... I'm too handsome to die."

"You know," several of the village lasses murmered, "he has a point."

"Yes, you see? I'm innocent!"

"No 'Mer, you're gorgeous. There's a difference."

"I've a solution," growled one of the more stubborn villagers (a jealous man, to be honest). "We take this here tartan sack, and we put it over his head."

Swiftly this course of action was agreed on. T'would be rather easier to kill him if they did not have to see his handsome face, pleading eyes, and rather innocent-looking demeanor. As a group, they surrounded Eomer.

"Wait... how is this going to work?" he asked, looking nervously at the well behind him. "I have a profound fear of drowning." he revealed. "I have nightmares of it. It's like it happened in a past life or something. What are you doing?" His questions grew increasingly panicked. "Wait... lynching... hanging. You should hang me. Or stone me. I've got a pitchfork at home if you'd prefer it!"

Growing weary of his cries, an impatient villager embraced him calmly, whispering in his ear that it would all be all right. With that, the villager pushed Eomer backwards, watching him fall with a clatter to the bottom of the well. As he fell, the tartan sack (a kilt, actually, but they're so versitile) fell away from his eyes. His last view of the world was that of the lid eclipsing the sun.

A short time later, the villagers pulled the lid aside to see the consequences of their first mobbing. Far away in the depths they could see a body floating face down. No signs of abnormal strength had been displayed. No monstrous transformations had broken the bond. Eomer of the Rohirrim had been naught but a simple villager, and now he was dead.

NIGHT has begun. Werewolves, you may PM. Sherriffs, you may not. The Seer needs to get me a name, the Hunter needs to get me a name, the Ranger needs to get me a name, the Mytho needs to get me a name. Once the wolves have made a decision, they also need to get me a name.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

The weather had turned brutal just as the villagers had dispersed for the night. The rain poured down with a pronounced rat-a-tat as the thunder provided a heavy downbeat. Above all, faintly, the sounds of a ghostly lute rose from the village well in a tune that, should circumstances be different, could have been conceived as a lively one, and good for dancing. However nobody noticed, because nearly all of the villagers were lying safely in their beds, pretending to be asleep.

Three who pretended to be villagers were quite safe, but were not in beds, and were not asleep. One villager lay quite safely in bed, and was asleep. The dark form lurking near that villager's door was neither in bed, asleep, nor safe.

The figure prowled the edges of the house, taking in every sight. The windows had been barred, the doors were locked. The villager inside was safe. She dared not to rest, but continued her rounds, kept company only by the lightening dancing on the horizen to the tune of the ghostly lute and the long sword in her hand. That and the sound of heavy breathing from above.

"No," she cried, all together too late to stop them. The wolves dropped from the roof top to surround her. Their fangs shone in the flickering light of the storm. "You cannot take this villager!" the Ranger yelled fiercely. The least expected sound met her ears. Laughter.

"Kath, darling... who said we wanted the one that you guard?" With that, the wolves attacked. Her sword flashed through the night like a silver butterfly, catching one of the wolves in the arm. The cut healed instantly. She dropped her sword, reaching for her spear. It was wrestled from her grip and she was thrown to the ground. Her long knives met a similar fate, and her bow and arrows never made it to her hands. Though her chosen villager was still safe, Kath had died a lonely, and yet rather interesting and heroic, death. And though it was a rather loud occurence, none of the rest of the villagers heard, seeing as how they were all safely in bed, pretending to be asleep.

-----------------------------------------

DAY has now begun. Werewolves, no more PMing. Sherriffs, PM all you want.

All of last NIGHT's duties were performed flawlessly, including dreams requested and granted by both of the village's Seers.

Villagers Dead:
Eomer (villager): pushed into a well on DAY 1
Kath (Ranger): killed three-on-one by wolves while guarding someone

Villagers Alive:
Firefoot
Gil-Galad
Holby
Lhuna
LMP
Mormegil
Nilp
Oromin
Saurreg
TGWBS

[the guy who be short]

Right, Day is here. LMP and I discussed this yesterDay and have decided to tell you:

We, TGWBS and LMP, are the Shirriffs.

Well, the reasoning behind this may be obvious, and it may not. If it isn't, we're not gonna tell you. :p

Now then, the Ranger's death was most damaging, I was going to post a plan involving her. However, two Seers... I'll have to do some planning. Doubtless I'll come up with something.

The important thing to remember is we have double the Dream power. 3 villagers have now been dreamt of. I shall think and return to you.

[Gil-Galad]

That could be a ploy to defend yourselves...how do we know your not the werewolves trying to protect yourselves from the villagers? very mysterious TGWBS...

[Firefoot]

Gil, I think we can take them at their word. And if they weren't the true Shirriffs, I'm sure that the real ones would speak up - thus exposing two of the four Shirriff-claim-to-be's as wolves. No, I'd say that LMP and TGWBS really are our Shirriffs.

And what a stroke of luck! Two seers, now! This will be a real advantage, especially now that our Ranger is gone. (Poor Kath. She'll be missed.)

For the record, here is the last night's voting. Proven innocents are underlined, and I went ahead and underlined LMP and TGWBS, since I don't see why they would claim to be Shirriffs unless they were:

Gil – 3 (Morm, Lhuna, Firefoot)
Eomer – 4 (lmp, Saurreg, Gil, Holbytlass)
Firefoot – 1 (TGWBS)
Lmp – 1 (Eomer)

Did not vote: Oromin, Nilp, Kath

[mormegil]

The problem with that is that I don't understand mormegil's reasons on voting for Gil. He said it was due to the lack of substantial posting, but Gil never posts a huge amount so it is difficult to use this as a reason, especially seeing as how Oro has made even fewer posts with just as little in them. I realise he now can't answer for himself but I'm just wondering if this strikes anyone else as odd.

Even though Kath has gone I would like to answer her queries and doubts here. True that Oromin's posts were short, however, there was minimal substance and also they were game related. In contrast Gil's post was a single post and had absolutely nothing to do with the game. He since posted a couple more times pouting and yelling about this and that. Finally today something vaguely substantial came from him. I don't expect greatness but some participation from those who wanted to play. Why else should somebody sign up if they can't play?

[Saurreg]

I should explain why I voted for Eomer.

It is true that the LMP with his distracting style of writing was my main suspect through analysis and deduction. However Eomer's posting behaviour made me to belief he was either a werewolf that was trying a big gambit to save his pelt or that he was one of the Sheriffs and that TGWBS was his partner.

The rationale for my second assumption is as follows:

In my 2nd post I questioned if Eomer was a sheriff and near the end of that round he professed to the innocence of himself and TGWBS. Also in a post that quoted mine, TGWBS said this

I'm quite certain he is neither a Seer nor a Shirriff - it would be stupid for the Seer to come out so early, and there is no seond Shirriff supporting Eomer. I find it much more likely that he'll be trying to work things out logically

The first part of the post definately put down Eomer alittle, however it is the second part that got my attention. Working out logically carries a postive notion, a desirable attribute if you must, especially in this game where emotions and senselessness is rampant and that logic is most needed. So there was TGWBS who first put down Eomer and then seemingly praise him. It was odd and then it struck me that the both of them could be sheriffs - i.e. Eomer was already hinting to us that and TGWBS was sublty supporting. Which was why I asked TGWBS on what logic he was referring to. However RL intervened and I was forced away from the PC before I read TGWBS's reply which was somewhat lacklusture (aka disappointing)...

In any case Eomer was innocent and that my guess that TGWBS was his sherriff partner proved false. However that does not take away the fact that eomer was indeed posting very oddly that round and I would like to hear more from TGWBS himself before I pass judgement.

LMP and TGWBS are the first to post in and they immediately claim to be the sherriffs. With may suspicions wrong yesterday, I will read the other posts before making my judgement. Firefoot believes that the duo are truly what they claim themselves to be and I suspect many will

Night has passed and we have two seers now and that is a great boost to our strength. I am somewhat assured by this added insurance that I shall be bolder in my deductions knowing that even if I perish, the wolves will stand a slimmer chance of winning.

More to come very soon. :D

RL: Tomorrow I don my graduation gown and mortarboard and by sunset I shall be a full-fledged engineer. So I may not be around that frequently come next sunrest. Woot.

[the guy who be short]

Firstly, I would like to say to our Seers:

If we are about to lynch you, TELL US WHO YOU ARE AND TELL US WHAT YOU KNOW! If you don't know anybody guilty, just choose somebody for the rest of the village to vote for. The wolves will kill you during the Night, but at least we won't be lynching you ourselves.

That could be a ploy to defend yourselves...how do we know your not the werewolves trying to protect yourselves from the villagers? very mysterious TGWBS...For two wolves to declare themselves would be the stupidest thing they could do. If one of them got voted for, the other would also die. The risk would be too great. However, as I've said, we're coming out for reasons we don't want to disclose yet. If you can't work it out, don't worry about it.

[Saurreg]

TGWBS has made a valid point. Consider this; if two other players suddenly jump up and claim they are the real sherriffs, then it would be a 50-50 standoff. It would be most logical to assume that the other six villagers would vote for at least one of the four and if he is really a sherriff then the opposing pair is doomed. If he is a wolf, than he is already dead and his partner is doomed. In either case two wolves would perish.

Very clever TGWBS - I am now more inclined to belief you. With two sherriffs and two seers, we have the odds in our favour.

Nevertheless I still await your explanation for that post.

[the guy who be short]

In any case Eomer was innocent and that my guess that TGWBS was his sherriff partner proved false. However that does not take away the fact that eomer was indeed posting very oddly that round and I would like to hear more from TGWBS himself before I pass judgement.I sort of made a logical leap that Eomer would presume the innocent was me due to my plan, and I was right. Even if that weren't the case, I know Eomer is very clever, so I simply presumed he would try to apply logic to the situation.

I'll be back to analyse yesterDay's voting and last Night's death later.

EDIt: By the way, I knew he wasn't a Shirriff because I'm a Shirriff. I knew he wasn't the Seer because a Seer would not be so obvious about saying they knew an innocent. Realistically, this only left the possibility that he would be using his noodle to work things out.

[littlemanpoet]

Lovin' it! :D

Yes, guy and I are the shirriffs. I can understand any lingering doubts.

By the way, as I have revealed myself as shirriff, my "bum" disguise is of no value anymore, and I shall communicate with all of you as one of the king's men.

Okay. Yes, it would be stupid for two werewolves to claim to be shirriffs and have a 50-50 duel. You guys would of course pick one of us and lynch one of the four, and instantly would be revealed both shirriffs and two of the three werewolves - who by the way will not have their number increased since we have two seers. Awesome! yee ha! :)

The added benefit, when logic overcomes suspicion, is that you guys now know that you don't have to fear double bluffing from either guy or me. That's an additional advantage.

Guy and I have signed our death warrants, as far as the werewolves are concerned. The longer we're alive, the longer they have known innocents who the rest of the villagers no they can trust intuitively.

:talking to ghosts: Eomer, most sorry about your death. But I think that your passing may be deemed a sacrifice, because yesterday's votes may have been more revealing than the werewolves intended.

A couple theories:

Lhunardawen piggybacked on morm so quick it made our heads spin. Also, she posted to the main thread during the NIGHT phase - a rookie werewolf type of mistake (I should know).

Holbytlass went to such great extents to defend her vote that she must have something furry to hide.

Gilly posted during the NIGHT phase also - same situation as with Lhun.

[mormegil]

I find it very interesting the Eomer died. The whole day I saw nothing in him that indicated he was a wolf. I reread everything and still coudln't see why people thought him as strongly as they did. What I did find was some wolfish activity a foot here. I will hold off on posting my major suspicious currently but go back and analyze those who argued for Eomer's lynching and I think you will find something rather telling in finding subtle yet persistent encouragements from at least one other person. Finding that LMP is very enlightening and adds to my theory. As I said I will not share it now but want you all to look back a bit too.

[littlemanpoet]

Admittedly, morm, my "stab in the dark" vote for Eomer was on a par with your stab at Gilly. I especially didn't want to bandwagon on your choice; we needed more candidates from which the wolves had to choose.

Building on what I was saying before, All three wolves would not vote for the same person. Maybe the three spread their votes amongst three different candidates, which means that Gilly might be a wolf. Firefoot also voted for Gilly, but doesn't seem wolfish to me. I'm betting that one of the wolves didn't vote.

So my three main suspects are:

Lhunardawen
Gil-galad
Holbytlass

Defend yourselves, if you can.

[Holbytlass]

I went to great extent to defend my vote at the time because Emer didn't understand why I wanted information from him that I thought he had.
I'm very sorry now but hindsight is 20/20. I wanted to point out in his posts where I knew he was joking and where I took to be serious. I did post-pone my vote as late as possible to see what he had to say but it was down to the wire. And I'd rather vote than not vote at all.

*chuckle* I thought LMP and Firefoot were the shirrifs until Firefoot started questioning LMP too much.

[Saurreg]

It is late here and I must retire to bed. I will return in about nine hours time to post another summary cast and my vote.

Just a thought - there are some whom have been very quiet last round and now this. My thoughts would be on them.

[the guy who be short]

Gil-Galad - Strange short posts. Gets upset and shouts when people vote for him. Voted Eomer, but likely to save himself.

Holbytlass - Votes Eomer, clinching his death.

Lhunardawen - Extremely defensive when my abacus names her randomly. Quickly jumped in to vote for G-G.

mormegil - Voted G-G for no apparent reason other than G-G being his normal self.

Nilpaurion - No posts. Nothing. At all. (Will the Mod kill him for this?)

Orominuialwen - Very quiet. Creepy. Doesn't post nearly enough. Didn't vote, possibly an attempt to stay under the radar. Accused Eomer.

Saurreg - Analytical, yes. However, he suspected Eomer (voted for him quickly too), Kath, LMP, possibly me. 4 innocents? We could just lynch him for bad luck.
After voting for Eomer, he tells us he thought Eomer was a Shirriff! Why would an innocent vote for somebody he thought was a Shirriff?

I'm leaning towards a Saurreg/Oro/Lhuna trio.

[mormegil]

I want to explain, even in more detail, why I voted Gil.

Two main reasons.

1. I want to eliminate the wolves hiding place of little or no posting. It's far too easy a strategy because we are all willing to make up excuses for them when they post nothing to give us any information about them.

2. I'm sorry that his Dad isn't letting him get on the computer much but if that's the case why do you start a game. This is not a direct attack on Gil but in general. If you can't fully participate it's best to sit it out. We've seen many people do this. SpM is one example.

So it may sound callous or perhaps even a wolfish ploy (take as you like) but I'm of the opinion that if they can't contribute one way or another that they are good cannon fodder especially the first day.

What I don't understand is how Gil can yell that he can't have fun playing because we kill him off and yet he also states that he doesn't have time to post anything. How can it be fun if you can't post? Could be a wolf trying to get our sympathy and it seems to be working. I have no certainty as to whether or not he is a wolf, but we all seem willing to just say "oh that's just Ol' Gil and the way he is" Well maybe we ought to look more into it than we are.

Right now I have high suspicions of Holby and she's raised many red flags of what I look for in a wolf. I don't have time to explain why I suspect her sufficiently right now so I will post later on that.

[Orominuialwen]

I'm sorry I haven't posted much. The reason I didn't vote yesterday is because I forgot when the vote was going to end. I just have to remember to vote at night, because I'm not generally awake in the morning when DAY ends. tgwbs, all I can say is that I was initially suspicious of you (mostly yesterDAY), but once lmp confirmed that you were indeed sherrifs, I trusted you. What this means, I will leave you to work out...

[the guy who be short]

Please explain that as soon as possible morm. It's better to get accusations done early.

[Firefoot]

Okay, I've been doing some hard-core theorizing and planning, and I think I have a foolproof plan for the villagers to win. I'm going to do some double-checking, but stand by.

[the guy who be short]

Firefoot, does it involve the Seers? If so, I have had the same idea. However, it may work better implemented tomorrow.

If that is not the case, tell us your plan.

[mormegil]

I admit that this isnt' the great evidence but I was able to gleen something from DAY 1 and also using my instinct I think I can say that Holby is a wolf.

Post #46. Seems fairly certain that Eomer is innocent and yet begins attacking him almost immediately after and votes for him.

Post #53

I have an idea who might be the shirrifs but since they're not saying anything maybe I shouldn't

I realize that this could be taken to have two meanings. One coud be that she's a wolf and doesn't want to them to vocalize who they are or that's she innocent and thinks that it's best left to them to announce themselves.

In post #89 she either inadvertenly or intentionally misreads what Eomer said in post 31
post 31- warns against getting the idea of seeing people as wolves stuck in head. (isn't that the point)

What he meant to say is that we need to look at people closely and not narrow our minds to one person because he looks a bit suspicious which we did yesterday on poor Eomer. I believe this was an intentional misread.

She starts the day today being defensive of her vote.

But I think the most telling that I cannot give an exact post # on is her behavior seems very wolvish to me. She was the one the kept subtely redirecting us to Eomer. She let LMP (innocent) lead the charge but kept the heat on but in a less noticable manner. She gave a very decisive vote to clinch Eomer's death. She is acting very wolvish. Posting and saying things but staying out of the spotlight, directing us to Eomer in a subtle way, and going back and forth with Firefoot.

That brings me to another conclusion. Firefoot is possibly in cahoots with her. One example of them distancing themselves is in post #49. They vote differently also to distance themselves.

I'm less convinced of Firefoot's guilt but there is a possible link.

Other suspects are Saurreg, Gil-Galad
Lesser but still suspect: Lhuna, Oromin
Would want to hear from Nilp

[Firefoot]

Yes, it involves the Seers, but I just realized it has a hole in it which I had missed; I'll not state my plan just yet.

Right now I'm very suspicious of Holby and Gil, and I'm starting to feel more suspicious about Saurreg as well. Of your trio, TGWBS, I would be most inclined to vote for Saurreg. I'm not so suspicious of Oromin or Lhuna (I know they were on my lynch-list yesterDay, but after thinking about it for quite some time they've been reduced to much lower on my list). Saurreg listed Holby and Gil as "worth a closer look" and "interesting" respectively; if they are going for a bluff, these are the two most likely on that list.

I know this isn't terribly concrete, but at the moment my brain is pretty fried from trying to work out my plan. I'll try to post something more conclusive in a bit.

Edit: basically what Morm just said...

[mormegil]

Seeing that you had a cross post with me Firefoot and you also suspect Holby I'm less inclined to vote you but still watchful of you.

[littlemanpoet]

I see no reason to wait until tomorrow, because I think I know what your plan is, and will beat you to it because my posting window is not for sure to be open until 3 hours before voting ends RL tomorrow. So here goes.

No multiple lynchings. They don't do us enough good to counter the risk.

Instead: Lynch Suspect A; have Seer #1 dream suspect B; have Seer # 2 dream suspect C. Have the Hunter ... um ... choose one of either B or C to hunt. I'm not sure how best to use the Hunter, so that's up for grabs. Now, Seer #2 knows who Seer #1 is, but not vice versa. Fair enough. Seers, please hold off on declaring anything.

Now, to protect the identities of the Seers, this plan must be approved by at least 7 villagers: the 2 seers, the 1 hunter, the 2 shirriffs, and the 2 ungifted innocents. Undoubtedly, one or more of the werewolves will probably approve of this plan, and perhaps quickly, in order not to stick out like a sore thumb as a furry beast.

Okay, that's my plan. I may not get to post for another 14 hours, but that's still within the voting framework. If you strongly disagree with my suspect list, say so in numbers so that the werewolves can't have an impact there either.

It may be too early to tell, but if this plan works the way I think it should, this game should be sown up and won by the villagers in a matter of 2 or 3 days.

[mormegil]

I'm for you plan and if it were up to me I would list suspects as follows

A: Holby
B: Gil
C: Saurreg

[Firefoot]

I agree with Morm for the suspect list, and LMP is right that the Seers shouldn't declare anything just yet. (Unless, you know, you know who a wolf is. ;) )

[the guy who be short]

Seers should, I think, remain quiet about their identities for the moment, though they should remember to leave tracable hints after death.

I'm most inclined to lynch Saurreg due to his statement that he thought Eomer was a Shirriff and yet voted for him for some reason. I would also like Seer dreams of Oro/Lhuna, though Holbytlass looks more suspicious to me now.

A) Saurreg
B) Holbytlass
C) Lhuna

Seer 1 is the original, Seer 2 the mytho, obviously. Now, if either of you has already dreamt of one of these, just dream of somebody else suspicious. I would be most inclined to use my list or LMP's list as we are both known innocents.

[the guy who be short]

Why was Kath killed? I believe I have an idea.

http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=398898&postcount=30 - Kath is defensive of the position of the Hunter. I think it's her.That is an excerpt from a message to LMP. I think this post implied she was the Hunter. The wolves then killed her, knowing the Hunter is hopeless on Day 1 and that another innocent would likely be killed by her. They just got lucky with her being the Ranger.

That's what I think, anyhow.

Edit: I note that others seem to be a lot less suspicious of Saurreg than me. Check this (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=399353&postcount=100) out.

Saurreg claims she thought Eomer was a Shirriff - and voted for him? Why? To get a Shirriff out of the way? Additionally, she said that LMP, Eomer and Kath - Three known innocents - seemed guilty.

[Firefoot]

I could go for TGWBS's list; I think Saurreg's death is as likely to give us information as Holbytlass's is, and they seem (to me) to be about equal probability for wolves.

I am interested to see what Saurreg is going to put in his summary/analysis post later on. I think it will be able to tell us something.

[littlemanpoet]

My computer's working better now. Phew! (though not perfect)

I am leaning toward the innocence of Morm & Firefoot, so their lists of suspects I hold as only slighlty less authoritative than guy's

We have 4 votes in favor of the plan. Of those 4, we have:
3 against Saurreg,
4 against Holby,
3 against Gil, and
2 against Lhuna.

guy has explained that Saur claims to have thought Eomer a shirriff, then voted for him anyway. He has explained his vote.... as Holby did; but defending one's vote is not necessarily a sign of lycan.

As it is, we need more approvals of the plan before we go ahead. I'd like to see some continued discussion of the suspects.

And any idea what the Hunter ought to do to help our plan, if not choose B or C?

[mormegil]

I can see that Saurreg appears guilty and I agree but I think that Holby seems more suspicious and therefore should be the lynching victim of this day.

[the guy who be short]

Bed calls me. However, before I go, I would ask Saurreg to defend herself. Why did you say that?

I need to go back and check up on Holbytlass' record myself, as I'm loth to go by other people's evidence. I shall have that done by the morrow.

[Holbytlass]

I admit that this isnt' the great evidence but I was able to gleen something from DAY 1 and also using my instinct I think I can say that Holby is a wolf.

Post #46. Seems fairly certain that Eomer is innocent and yet begins attacking him almost immediately after and votes for him.
Holby-Wrong, I'm fairly certain that's when I began to see Eomer as odd.

Post #53 I have an idea who might be the shirrifs but if they aren't saying anything maybe I shouldn't.

I realize that this could be taken to have two meanings. One coud be that she's a wolf and doesn't want to them to vocalize who they are or that's she innocent and thinks that it's best left to them to announce themselves.
Holby-If I was a wolf I wouldn't have said anything and waited till night to tell the other wolves.

In post #89 she either inadvertenly or intentionally misreads what Eomer said in post 31

What he meant to say is that we need to look at people closely and not narrow our minds to one person because he looks a bit suspicious which we did yesterday on poor Eomer. I believe this was an intentional misread.
Holby-It was unintentional, and it has happened before. Like when I thought LMP wanted the seers to say nothing at all.


She starts the day today being defensive of her vote.
Holby-Because LMP says of me (and others) "Defend yourselves if you can."

But I think the most telling that I cannot give an exact post # on is her behavior seems very wolvish to me. She was the one the kept subtely redirecting us to Eomer. She let LMP (innocent) lead the charge but kept the heat on but in a less noticable manner. She gave a very decisive vote to clinch Eomer's death. She is acting very wolvish. Posting and saying things but staying out of the spotlight, directing us to Eomer in a subtle way, and going back and forth with Firefoot.

Holby-I feel I was not subtle, I saw Eomer to be most suspicios and said so throughout even to voting for him. I did postpone as late as possible so he could clear things up. I didn't change my vote and bandwagon on Gil, I maintained, how is that wolvish?

I do like the plan except of course me being number 1 suspect.

[littlemanpoet]

I do like the plan except of course me being number 1 suspect.

Then offer us a list of your choosing.

[littlemanpoet]

Regarding Saurreg

After voting for Eomer, he tells us he thought Eomer was a Shirriff! Why would an innocent vote for somebody he thought was a Shirriff?

Although I found Saurreg's post defending his vote against Eomer rather confusing, I was able to glean that he had thought that Eomer was either a werewolf or a shirriff.

So either Saurreg is a werewolf trying to be deviously misleading, or he honestly decided that the guy was right that Eomer wasn't a shirriff, and therefore must be a werewolf.

I honestly find the second of these two choices more likely.

The only damaging evidence is that he was the second to vote for Eomer

Regarding Holbytlass

After rereading all her posts, I see that the only real damaging evidence is that she was the last to vote for Eomer. Everything else looks like somebody stumbling through and making sense of things on the second or third try (not unlike Kath who was innocent).

Now, I really doubt that more than one werewolf voted for the same person (Eomer). It's possible that I'm wrong, but it would be unwise to bandwagon like that. The only reasoning against that would be a Feanorian double-bluff, figuring that since people would think it too stupid, then do it because the best place to hide is out in the open. Are our werewolves capable of that kind of thinking? It depends on how experienced and/or intelligent at least one of them is.

I've been leaning toward two rookies (gilly and Lhun) and one veteran (Holby) so far, but my theory could be as holey as a sieve.

An Alternative Theory of Werewolvishness

So what if we have a very experienced and excellently double bluffing trio of werewolves? Who would be hiding out in the open, which translates as playing an aggressive game that is well thought out in advance to redirect opinion away from themselves, and spread the voting out over as many villagers as possible in order to avoid suspicion brought on by the hardest evidence of all (i.e. voting record)? I know it can't be the guy, nor myself, being shirriffs. Who have been the smart, aggressive ones who have been the most influential, including mentioning each other as suspicious, maybe even planning cross-posts? Not saying that I believe this to be the case, but sure can't be overlooked. The people who have filled this category are: mormegil (voted for Gil-galad); Firefoot (also voted for Gil-galad); and Saurreg (voted for Eomer).

I didn't say that this working theory would lead to conclusive evidence, and it has not done so. If the theory held, morm and Firefoot would have voted for different people, and the werewolves would have tried to make sure an innocent got lynched; we're not sure if Gil is innocent.

I wanted to bring this up for us to think about carefully, because it would be a very werewolfish thing to be quick to bandwagon onto a very good plan so as to avoid suspicion. Note, morm and ff were the first two to approve of my plan. That does not mean I think they're werewolves. All of FF's posts point to her not being a werewolf (but she thought the same of me in another life). Of course, that M and F were quick to approve of my plan may show nothing more than that they are innocent loudmouths who are intelligent enough to see that it's a great idea and therefore approved it on its obvious merits.

Okay, I've had my say. I don't want us bandwagoning against three innocents. It would waste a Day and Night.

[Holbytlass]

3 against Saurreg,
4 against Holby,
3 against Gil, and
2 against Lhuna.

Considering I'd like to take myself out for personal preservation, and I hope I have given good reason for Morm's initial thinking me a wolf and how he is mistaken. TGWBS and LMP are innocent and I think Firefoot and Morm are.
That leaves Nilp, Lhuna, Oro, Gil, and Saurreg, so based on the votes taking myself out my list is....

1Gil
2Saurreg
3Lhuna

4Nilp
5Oro

[Firefoot]

So we have proposed lists of:

LMP
A) Holby
B) Lhuna
C) Gil

Morm
A) Holby
B) Gil
C) Saurreg

TGWBS
A) Saurreg
B) Holby
C) Lhuna

Holby
A) Gil
B) Saurreg
C) Lhuna

LMP
A) Morm
B) Firefoot
C) Saurreg

I could potentially go along with any of these, though my top three suspicions are probably the three on Morm's list, but I can see the sense in the other two lists as well.

I'm going to go read through the rest of the thread again; I'll let you know if I find anything of interest.

[littlemanpoet]

So we have proposed lists of:

Don't forget my list:

A) Holby
B) Lhuna
C) Gil

& my new list (just to think about):

A) Morm
B) Firefoot
C) Saurreg

Edit: I'm really interested in seeing posts from Saurreg (especially the analysis), Nilp, Lhuna, Gil, and Orom.

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Just posting to say that yes, I'm here, and that in about ten hours, I'll make a post of substance.

Oh, and yeah: Lynch me. :p

[Firefoot]

LMP - Duly noted and edited.

If people want to go with your new list, I think I would move Saurreg to the top (at this point. I want to hear what he has to say as well). I'm not really going to respond to your accusations; I'll let my posts stand for themselves.

Concerning Gil - I think it's odd that he was immediately so suspicious of TGWBS's and LMP's claim to be Shirriffs. Maybe he didn't have time to think it out, but (to me, anyway) it seemed pretty clear pretty quick that no wolf in his/her right mind would do that... Not a lot else can be gleaned from his other posts. He got extremely irritated that we were voting for him for lack of substance. His vote for Eomer makes sense according to his given reason (to save himself). I'm certainly suspicious of him, and his posts have done nothing to alleviate that - unfortunately, there's also nothing concrete to comment on.

Saurreg - I can see where his analysis would fit coming from either a wolf or an innocent. He commented on several people as being possible wolves - some of them now proven wrong. He could be a wolf casting suspicion on others or a confused innocent. I'm not sure what to think of his vote for Eomer. I don't know that I want to lynch him, but certainly I think one of the Seers should dream about him. (Note: my uncertainties may be based on the fact that at the end of Day 1, I was thinking him innocent. Eomer's warning is a double-edged sword: once you think a person is innocent it is very easy to 'see' them as innocent...)

Holbytlass - defended gifted villagers, was against deliberate killings of innocents. Generally a good sign, however, both would be things that a clever/experienced wolf would say. I think she probably has more figured out than she's saying.

If Holby is a wolf, I don't think that Gil is - why would she put him as Suspect A? I'm starting to suspect a Holby/Saurreg alliance - Saurreg said in his analysis post, "worth taking a look at," but there are several more that he seemed much more suspicious of, actually calling them possible lycans. Holby put him as her Suspect B; however, it makes more sense to keep two people on her list who are already on people's lists (that is, Saurreg and Lhuna), even if one of them is a wolf. After all, he wouldn't be lynched until tomorrow, and in the mean time it would remove suspicion from herself.

Admittedly, this is pretty tenuous. But I'll put it out there anyway.

Oh, and I'm starting to wonder if we maybe shouldn't have a Seer dream about Nilp anyway, just to save ourselves the headache of trying to figure out whether he's single, double, or triple bluffing, or not at all. ;) Seriously.

[littlemanpoet]

LMP - Duly noted and edited.

thanks. :)

If people want to go with your new list, I think I would move Saurreg to the top (at this point. I want to hear what he has to say as well).

Duly noted and accepted.

I'm not really going to respond to your accusations; I'll let my posts stand for themselves.

As I said in the post to which you refer, I doubt that you're a wolf, but the point had to be raised because I don't want us wasting either lynches or dreams if we can avoid it.

Concerning Gil - I think it's odd that he was immediately so suspicious of TGWBS's and LMP's claim to be Shirriffs. Maybe he didn't have time to think it out, but (to me, anyway) it seemed pretty clear pretty quick that no wolf in his/her right mind would do that... Not a lot else can be gleaned from his other posts. He got extremely irritated that we were voting for him for lack of substance. His vote for Eomer makes sense according to his given reason (to save himself). I'm certainly suspicious of him, and his posts have done nothing to alleviate that - unfortunately, there's also nothing concrete to comment on.

I've noticed that nobody has commented on my "rookie werewolf" theory, of posting on a Werewolf thread during a Night phase. Anybody have any thoughts on that?

Holbytlass - defended gifted villagers, was against deliberate killings of innocents. Generally a good sign, however, both would be things that a clever/experienced wolf would say. I think she probably has more figured out than she's saying. Good point.

If Holby is a wolf, I don't think that Gil is - why would she put him as Suspect A? I'm starting to suspect a Holby/Saurreg alliance - Saurreg said in his analysis post, "worth taking a look at," but there are several more that he seemed much more suspicious of, actually calling them possible lycans. Holby put him as her Suspect B; however, it makes more sense to keep two people on her list who are already on people's lists (that is, Saurreg and Lhuna), even if one of them is a wolf. After all, he wouldn't be lynched until tomorrow, and in the mean time it would remove suspicion from herself.

I found Holbyltass's list to be rather a cop-out. No reasons offered, just trying to be agreeable as wolvishly possible; at least that's my sense. Yeah, I'm going back and forth on her. :p

Oh, and I'm starting to wonder if we maybe shouldn't have a Seer dream about Nilp anyway, just to save ourselves the headache of trying to figure out whether he's single, double, or triple bluffing, or not at all. ;) Seriously.

I'm thinking we have enough viable candidates against whom there is real (if minimal) evidence to lynch and dream of besides Nilp, at least for the first Night.

I'm heading to bed (way too late) and will cast my vote in the morning, after which there will be 3 1/2 more hours for developments to have occurred. I hope more happens by the time I vote than yesterday.

[Saurreg]

I sort of made a logical leap that Eomer would presume the innocent was me due to my plan, and I was right. Even if that weren't the case, I know Eomer is very clever, so I simply presumed he would try to apply logic to the situation.

Contradict yourself here. Eomer's posts only brought about more suspicion against himself and ultimately his doom. If that was the use of intelligence and logic, it is very poor practice indeed. I cannot tell why you would think that ploy of his as smart.

1. It was a gamble, not a risk.
2. The contents of his post incredible
3. He chose to be mysterous and thus suspicious to all

The only reason why I think you are such a rabid supporter is because he vouched for your innocence and hence you feel obliged to clear his name.

As mentioned in my post, I wanted to wait for you to clear that enigmatic post of yours but you came in too late for reasons I do not know of. And as I have posted in my analysis, Eomer was the most perculiar and his strategy most bizzare. This led me to believe very strongly that he could be a werewolf throwing in a big gambit. A make or break move I should say. RL pressed and I had to vote and hence as the biggest suspect (bigger than LMP was time flowed), I had no choice but to vote for him based on deduction. And in anycase I was the second to vote for him and I believe my reason for doing is so is far better than LMP's. If the rest of the people did not agree with the points as posted above, they would not have followed suit either.

EDIT: If my post wasn't clear last night, then it could be because it is late and Im' tired and when i'm tired my understanding and ability to communicate in English diminishes... :o Kinda like that misleading post in my first game.

[Firefoot]

I've noticed that nobody has commented on my "rookie werewolf" theory, of posting on a Werewolf thread during a Night phase. Anybody have any thoughts on that? I don't know that it's anything conclusive... it could just as easily be a "rookie innocent" mistake. I hear what you're saying, though.

I'm off to bed now too... I won't back for about 8 hours, but I will be back in time to get my thoughts together, vote, etc.

[Saurreg]

Firefoot
Voted for: Gil-galad
Posting Behaviour: Logical rejoinder and counter-suggestion to TGWBS's aborted plan. Thought Eomer might have been a sheriff. Questions Mormegil's suspicions. Post 38 easily misinterpreted. Voted for Gil-galad when majority was leaning towards Eomer. Centerist - offers nothing. Nonchalant (apathetic) attitude to Gil makes reasoning of vote reads dubious... Thinks there is a Saurreg/Holby alliance due to Saurreg's wording.

Gil-Galad
Voted for: Eomer
Posting Behaviour: Did not answer to Mormegil's punt. Vots for Eomer to save his skin. Could truly be misunderstood r a lycan blanding into the background as hard as possible. Strangely enough the fitst to tretort against TGWBS' claims. RADAR ALERT!

Holbytlass
Voted for: Eomer
Posting Behaviour: She agrees immediate to TGWBS' plan without batting an eyelid, when everybody has yet to endorse. Takes a analytical approach she voted for Eomer. wants to save the special villagers as long as possible.


ittlemanpoet
Voted for: Eomer
Posting Behaviour: Claims to be sherriff (believed by most)

Lhuna
Voted for: Gil-galad
Posting Behaviour: Insubstantial post. Votes for Gil for no apparant reason. Vote comes 11 mins immediately after Morm's. RADAR ALERT!

Nilpaurion Felagund
Voted for:
Posting Behaviour: Bizzare disruptive post

Orominuialwen
Voted for:
Posting Behaviour: Insubstantial post. Nothing to work with. Not present during voting.

the guy who be short
Voted for: firefoot
Posting Behaviour: Offers contradicting reason to post 72 contents. Claims to be sherriff. Dubious reason behind vote for firefoot.

Mormegil
Voted for: Gil-galad
Posting Behaviour: Suggested a less than perfect scheme that might end in random senseless lynch (what for?). Singles out TGWBS and Oro (why?) out of no where and then thinks TGWBs is innocent. Highly erratic post behaviour. The delivery of that post contradicts its meaning? Leads the vote against Gil that is immediately followed by Lhun. Strangely absent in current round. Interesting... Very interesting.

**********************

Firefoot - I believe you read too much into my words. To me , could be a lycan/werewolf and take a closer look holds the same. I dunno, diff culture diff way with words? In any case I do think you are innocent as of now.

It is a pity so many players choose to remain so silent and thus we are unable to analyze their posts. At this point of time with TGWBS and LMP most probably our sheriffs and innocent, most of my suspicions fall on Gil and Lhun

In the spirit of gamesmanship I want to believe in Gil for his difficult RL problem. But the very short and immediate retort to the supposed sherriffs' claims almost immediately, seem to indicate that he was closely monitoring the game. And then poof! Nothing else. But that could also be interpreted that his father coincidentally allowed his access then. His first post is also enigmatic - he offered nothing to the game whatsoever.

Lhun is more difficult. She had a role in Gil-galad's votes and it came 11mins after morm's. The timing is suspicious and so far she has laid low and offered us nothing against us. If she was a wolf then we have only her vote to analyze. But that is too slim a lead.

Therefore I vote for

++Gil-galad

And pray my vote holds true. The rest of my suspects in order are:

1. Lhun
2. Morm
3. Holby
4. Oro
5. Nilp
6. TGWBS
7. LMP
8. Firefoot

Anyone who have not posted automatically earns an upper slot in my list.

[mormegil]

Mormegil
Voted for: Gil-galad
Posting Behaviour: Suggested a less than perfect scheme that might end in random senseless lynch (what for?). Singles out TGWBS and Oro (why?) out of no where and then thinks TGWBs is innocent. Highly erratic post behaviour. The delivery of that post contradicts its meaning? Leads the vote against Gil that is immediately followed by Lhun. Strangely absent in current round. Interesting... Very interesting.


I've posted 7 times today so I don't see that as abscent myself.

I put forward how I felt and have responded to ideas and now I am just sitting and reading what has been posted to further analyze and adjust my opinions.

I am somewhat pacified by Holbytlass' defense. I would move her to second or third on my list and bump Gil up to number 1 meaning lynch today. So my revised list is

A. Gil-Galad
B. Saurreg
C. Holbytlass

[Lhunardawen]

How could we have done such a thing to such a handsome guy?
And poor Kath, she would have been of great use to the village.

But I see I am suspect. From what I can read I am suspicious because:
a) I voted for Gil 11 minutes after morm did
b) My vote for Gil has no apparent reason
c) I posted nothing substantial
oh, and
d) I posted in the original thread at NIGHT

At the time of my first post it was Gil who stood out as most suspicious to me because of that totally senseless post of his. Rash it might seem of me, but it so happened that just as I was thinking about actually voting for Gil (since RL does not allow me more time online), I saw morm vote. I could not see anyone else who was worth voting for at that time so I decided to vote for Gil right before RL grabbed the computer off my hands.

I was not able to post anything of substance due to the time constraint. But now that I have thought a little about the events, I have a few questions of my own...later.

As for posting at NIGHT, it was a day when I was most free to catch up with everything else I missed on the Downs. I realized my mistake too late. lmp, I am indeed a rookie - that's not my fault. But I'm most definitely not a werewolf.

tgwbs, don't I have the right to defend myself if I am accused falsely, and through an unreliable method at that? But you have to admit the abacus is really unreliable. :p If I seemed extremely defensive, that was due to my theatrical mood at the time. You know, it's hard to be a Lhunatic. You just don't know what mood you'll have until it hits you right smack on the face. But thanks for telling me (indirectly) that I was being theatrical then.

Now for my query: mormegil, this might be totally irrelevant, but is there more to that Oromin example of yours in post #12 than meets the eye?

lmp: Your plan is good, but as for my list of suspects, I'll have to do more thinking. But for now I'm quite suspicious of Saurreg, Holby, Oromin, and Firefoot, in no particular order.

Last note before heeding RL call: Good job, mytho!

[mormegil]

I have a plan. By using a rather scientific method (a co-worker choosing a number 1 to 12) and matching that number on the list provided above I vote we go for somebody at random today. He choose number 10, which would corespond to Oromin. It is of course a shot in the dark and this way seems as easy as any.

Now for my query: mormegil, this might be totally irrelevant, but is there more to that Oromin example of yours in post #12 than meets the eye?

Nope it was completely a random pick. My thought was that since we are more likely to get a innocent villager on the first day and compounding the problem is influence by the wolves why not make it totally random. Also it allowed to get some responses and gauge reaction. Just because I mentioned this shortly after TGWBS responded to it did not mean that I had stopped gauging reaction. Why I believed at the time that TGWBS is innocent is because he wanted to take a more methodical approach to finding somebody to kill...possibly increasin our odds of getting a wolf. Of course, that didn't work and we killed poor Eomer...why I don't know he seemed very innocent to me. Anywho there was the possibility that TGWBS was defending Oromin because they are a wolf pack. It wouldn't be likely that TGWBS would make such an obvious blunder...again why I believed him innocent. Of course, I continue to believe that both LMP and TGWBS are innocent.

I've listed before but I will group people in three groups. Group 1 are the most suspicious. 2 not as suspicious but I don't believe them innocents yet. Group 3 people I know to be innocent.

Group 1
Gil-Galad
Saurreg
Holbytlass

Group 2
Nilp
Lhuna
Oromin

Group 3
Firefoot
Mormegil
TGWBS
LMP

I feel fairly confident in my vote today for

++Gil-Galad

I would ask that seer 1 dream of Saurreg and seer 2 dream of Holbytlass. Again it's time for bed and I dont' have time to post in the morning so that is why I vote now. If the seers are to dream of somebody else I think the either LMP or TGWBS should list the final decision.

[Lhunardawen]

Oh, okay. Thanks, morm. Looks like I have to think back to square one, then.

Now, to business.

Gil-galad - He most likely was just being himself on his first post. I'm ready to understand that he voted for Eomer because he was the most suspected of at the time aside from himself, and thus, to save his own skin...or fur. Eventually became too dramatic about being suspected because of his posts. Then he suspected tgwbs and lmp of bluffing about being sheriffs (that would be quite a normal reaction) but said nothing else afterwards. Hmm...

tgwbs and lmp - There's no sense for both of you to pretend being sheriffs so I'll take your word for it. That was a nice show you had out there at the start by the way:
An' as fer thet plan of guy, it was fart in the head, plain an' simple. If a Shirriff is about to by lynched - tell us who the other one is! The werewolves are forced to lynch them.
morm - There's more to you than meets the eye. And right now I don't mean that as a bad thing.

Holby - Hammered the final nail on Eomer's coffin with, in my opinion, unreasonable reasons. Explained herself, but still a bit suspicious.

Firefoot - No doubt about it, she's smart. Seems innocent to me, but could be a very sneaky werewolf trying to hide by helping the village out. Or someone learned.

Oromin - Did not vote yesterday. Still not much substantial posts. Could be a werewolf trying to distance herself from the game or an innocent with not much idea what to do.

Nilp - Whatever he is, lynch him. :p

Saurreg - He was too keen on lynching Eomer, so he could be innocent, or a werewolf hiding behind that assumption. First to suspect me. Attacked tgwbs on defending Eomer. Could be in cahoots with Holby.

Lhuna - Immediately voted for Gil after morm due to RL. Too defensive about tgwbs' abacus. Obviously a Lhunatic.

So on my suspect list are: A: Saurreg, B: Holby, and C: Gil.

I need more posts from Oromin to see if she really is innocent. And Firefoot I'm willing to give the benefit of the doubt.

lmp, while I think your plan is a great idea, are we willing to compromise the seers' lives? And how can we utilize the hunter? Thoughts, anyone?

[littlemanpoet]

lmp, while I think your plan is a great idea, are we willing to compromise the seers' lives? And how can we utilize the hunter? Thoughts, anyone?

The seers should only speak up if they've found a werewolf .... or two; or are about to be lynched. That way they stay hidden from the werewolves.

I would ask that seer 1 dream of Saurreg and seer 2 dream of Holbytlass.

I'm good with morm's request.

++ Gil-galad

Edit: Saurreg did not approve the plan. Conclude what you like from that.

[the guy who be short]

We have three wolves still, and I'm not at all confident about the votes for G-G. He seems strange, but then again he always is.

That said, I have no idea who to vote for. Saurreg and Lhuna remain on my suspect list but seem to have answered themselves. Holbytlass seems most suspicious to me.

++Holbytlass then.

[Firefoot]

Gil - 3 (Saurreg, Morm, lmp)
Holby - 1 (TGWBS)

I'm still undecided as to my vote. It it comes down to it, however, Gil would be helping the werewolves a whole lot less than Holby would due to his internet access. I'm not sure if this should factor in or not... but it's something to think about.

I think that two of the three people who voted for Eomer on Day 1 are probably wolves - two among Holby, Saurreg, and Gil. If this proves true, we should know who two wolves are after tonight; hopefully we'll have lynched one of them.

Saurreg - it's quite possible that I read too much into your wording. But sometimes the wording counts.

I think it's extremely odd that not only did Saurreg not approve of LMP's plan, but he also still seems to doubt LMP's and TGWBS's claims to be Shirriffs. By now, I think that everyone has posted since they made their claim, and if there was ever any doubt it should be gone. The true Shirriffs would have certainly spoken up.lmp, while I think your plan is a great idea, are we willing to compromise the seers' lives? And how can we utilize the hunter? Thoughts, anyone? I'd say the best way for the Hunter to go would be to choose either Suspect B or C (which seem likely to be Saurreg and Holby, but could be Saurreg and Gil, depending on who is lynched...) These two people are generally the highest on everyone's suspicion list.

I'd really like to hear from Gil before casting my vote, but perhaps that's too much to hope.

[Holbytlass]

Firefoot:I think she (Holby) probably has more figured out than she's saying.

I don't, that's why I'm bumbling around trying to get everyone to see that i'm innocent despite the wrong vote for Eomer.


TGWBS:Saurreg and Lhuna remain on my suspect list but seem to have answered themselves.

I know it's too late on TGWBS's vote, but how haven't I answered myself?


LMP:I've noticed that nobody has commented on my "rookie werewolf" theory, of posting on a Werewolf thread during a Night phase. Anybody have any thoughts on that?

I'm not defending anyone here, but I personally find night phase good to go back and analize things because no one can post anymore. And I certainly look and post on other threads in the meantime.

++GIL-GALAD

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Mod's Note: This segment ends at 9:30, just to get back to normal. That means you have a half hour to finish voting, because there are more than five of you. Yes, five.

Knowing he would be unable to keep up with the thread toDAY, Gil-Galad had to make a snap-shot decision very early on on who to vote for in order not to incur my wrath by not being around. I was informed that he would vote for ++TGWBS because the Sherriff story felt kind of funny to him.

[Firefoot]

All right. Obviously we aren't going to hear anything more from Gil... and I'm as uncertain/suspicious of him as of anyone.

++GIL-GALAD

So the seers should go with Morm's plan:I would ask that seer 1 dream of Saurreg and seer 2 dream of Holbytlass. And the hunter should choose either Saurreg or Holbytlass.

[mormegil]

Votes are irretractable and should be posted on a seperate line like this:

++FEANOR




Uh I believe you need to have you vote look like this Feanor :p ;)

Please correct it so our mod doesn't get upset.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

:p

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Gil-Galad, you are being voted off because they think you are a werewolf, not as a perceived slight. If you could not post often enough, and knew in advance, you probably should have waited for another round. Please refrain from making pointless posts here or elsewhere that affect the game in progress.

[Orominuialwen]

Well, I'm back. RL kept me away most of toDAY, but I didn't want to miss the vote through my own inattentiveness again. I got up at 1:30 am to set my alarm so I would be up in time to read and post before DAY ends. :p

First off, I'd like to say that the plan sounds like a very good idea to me. I'm going to wait until later in this post to make a list, though, since at the moment you all seem suspicious, except for lmp andtgwbs, who I am absolutely positive are innocent.

Gil-His behavior is suspicious, but I don't quite get the feeling that he's a wolf. I have absolutely nothing to back this up, so don't take my word for it, but I think he's just being himself.

tgwbs and lmp- I know they're innocent. There's no reason to doubt what you've said.

morm- I've got sort of a vague bad feeling about him. There might be absolutely no basis for this, but he strikes me as a bit odd. I'll have to wait and see how things develop to judge better.

Holby- She's been quite defensive, which could be either a sign of guilt, or somewhat panicked innocence. I think she might be a wolf.

Firefoot- I think she's just too logical to be a wolf. She's probably one of the most innocent-seeming to me, other than tgwbs and lmp.

Nilp- I think that he's innocent, but am not positive. I think his absences have largely been due to RL issues and that any suspicious behavior from him is probably just due to his personality.

Saurreg- he/she (sorry, can't tell whether you're a guy or a girl!) seems suspicious to me. They didn't approve the plan, as lmp says, and I think this is rather suspicious. Also, they've been acting defensive, but at this point I'm not sure what to think.

Lhuna- She's been quite defensive. This could either be because she's guilty or because she's inexperienced.



Now I see that Gil is pulling out, I will vote for him, even though I think he's innocent, to try and minimize unnecessary bloodshed. Sorry Gil, I don't think you're guilty, and I don't blame you for your RL issues, but if you're leaving anyway, I don't want to vote for someone else who may be innocent.

As far as a list goes, there isn't time now. Seer, please just go by other people's list and take my suspicions into account if you wish.

Edit: Aaagh! Forgot to put in my vote!

++ GIL-GALAD

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Voting over, Gil is gone. Expect his death post shortly.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

It had been a long day of debate and discussion of strategy when it was decided not even nearly unanimously that Gil-Galad should die. It was very highly suspected amongst the village that he was taking place in night time wolvery, and so with five votes to seal his death, Gil-Galad was nailed to a crucifix.

"Well.." he said with not a small amount of consideration. "I suppose you really ought to always look on the bright side of death. That and split your infinitives."

And so, with these words, Gil-Galad cheerfully whistled until his terminal breath vacated his body. A short while later, the call was made for the collection of the dead. Though at first it was uncertain whther he was dead, alive, or just pretending, it was soon quite obvious that he was pretending.

"It's a miracle!" he cried. "I think I'm getting better!" Air streamed into his lungs as he was resurrected for a short time. His lungs expanded, filling up his chest. Then his chest expanded into a rather more bulky one. His nose expanded into a snout, and his teeth expanded into rather terrifying looking fangs. The village had found themselves a wolf, and now they were in grave peril. They had taken him down from the crucifix that he had seemed to have died on, and lo and behold! He'd been faking it. His transformation complete, it looked as though he was quite about to ravage the villagers standing awestruck around him.

A swift whack upside the head solved the matter. Gil-Galad (TTM) was knocked from his "second" and most unnatural life with naught but a quick look around to see if anyone was willing to prosecute for the aggrevated assault. Nobody was, seeing as how the plan was to kill him in the first place. The body was unceremoniously tossed into a wheelbarrow with the words "See you next Thursday" muttered, and a new NIGHT began.

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NIGHT is now in session. Wolves, PM each other and then get word to me who dies next. Seers, dream something. Hunter, get me a name. Sherriffs, go to sleep. Villagers... also go to sleep.

Those Dead:

Eomer (villager): killed in a very ripped off horror-movie way
Kath (ranger): slaughtered to the sounds of GhostEomer's lute
Gil-Galad (wolf): killed in an entirely ripped off comedy-flick way

Mod's Note: Yep, it's Friday. ToNIGHT will be a few hours longer than usual, which is why I don't feel guilty that I'm running a wee bit late with this post. Depending on RL circumstances that you don't care about, I'll get a dawn post up between normal time and noon, but I won't guarantee a time because I can't.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

"What the!?!?" he cried.
"Don't make so much noise." he also cried.
"Shut up! I'm the one being attacked here!" he cried once more.

The two lycans advanced, a menacing glint in their eyes. Against all odds (and the moderator had indeed lost a bet over it), their choice for tonight's fun was none other than Mr. Personalities himself, Nilpaurion Felagund.

"Quiet", they hissed evilly, as they dragged his struggling form toward the stables. "Not that anyone will hear you, but you'll scare the horses."

And indeed, there were four horses. Nilp yelled all the more, just to spite the werewolves. The horses pranced nervously at the nearness of the creatures, but settled at Nilpaurion's gentle touch. He'd always liked horses. He admired their gleaming chestnut coats, their impressive build. They were a rather large set of geldings... stallion mean when they wanted to be, but they'd never take off after a mare.

He looked back at the wolves who were, oddly enough, conferring just out of his line of hearing. Ignoring them for a few moments, he looked closer at the graceful creatures. They trembled with nerves, but stood calm. Each horse was harnessed and attached to heavy chains that currently held them to the wall of the stable. He wondered at them, a growing sense of dread filling his every bone. The lycans advanced, settled on the details of tonight's wolvery.

"Nilpaurion Felagund, what say you? Do you See?"

"You're right in front of me, of course I see you." he said.
"Yes... we both see you." he said again.
"How could I possibly miss you, when you're hovering malevolantly like that?" he said.

"Yes... we thought you might answer as thus. Which is why we've prepared such a fitting death. You shall be drawn and quartered... one personality for each section of you."

"Wait.... I see a flaw with this plan. Nilpaurion... Adam... sometimes Alice... what is the fourth?"

They answered with a pair of terrifying smirks. "You, m'boy, are pretending to be Calm." And with that, they jumped him. He struggled heroically, but not hard enough. He yelled loudly, but not loud enough. He kicked them, but it didn't work. Within seconds, Nilpaurion Felagund was chained to four noble steeds and was soon discovering that he did not much like them any more.

With shrieks of pain and the obligatory exhuberant baying from the wolves, Nilpaurion Felgaund was drawn into several pieces in the wee hours of the morning. He had never offered any signs of Sight, he had never kindly offered to kill someone else in return for the taking of his life. The wolves had found a peaceful villager. Now, ironically enough, he was a pieceful one.

Upon finding his remains in the early hours, the village gasped in horror. The horses had been let free to graze. The separate sections of Nilp had been piled carefully and labelled with signs.

Nilpaurion Felagund labelled his left arm, several ribs, and a strip of intestine.

Adam was his head, right arm, neck, and the rest of his torso.

Alice was the left leg.

Random Others was the rest.

It was said in later years that Alice was not all-together happy with her lot, but such was life, and it could scarcely be changed.

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DAY has begun. Wolves stop your PMing, Sherriffs, start. Seers have dreamt, Hunter has hunted, Nilp's been slain. DAY will end some time tomorrow morning. I won't guarantee the time, because it depends on several variables.

Dead:

Eomer (villager): killed like the little girl on The Ring on Day 1
Kath (Ranger): attacked unexpectedly on Night 1 (to the sound of Eomer's music)
Gil-Galad (Wolf): killed with a club on Day 2 with Monty Python jokes
Nilp (villager): drawn and quartered on Night 2

Alive:

Firefoot
Holby
Lhuna
LMP
Morm
Oromin
Saurreg
TGWBS

Have fun and be good, my children. ;)

[the guy who be short]

Do these werewolves just kill for fun or something? You'd expect a lot more eatin' from such fiends.

Anyway, Nilp killed... weird.

So, theories:

Right. Nilp. Not sure about his death. Perhaps the wolves, seeing that with two known Shirriffs, the chance of killing a Seer was higher, chose to kill Nilp in the hope that he was one of them. Much more likely, they did it to confuse the heck out of us.

However, a lot can be gleaned from voting records, as per usual. Observe:

Day 1, the two front runners were Eomer and Gil-Galad.

Mormegil, Lhuna and Firefoot voted for G-G. No wolf would vote for another wolf on Day 1 - it would be sheer lunar-cy. I propose that all three of these are innocent.

However, Saurreg, Gil (known wolf) and Holbytlass voted for Eomer. I believe it was necessary for all three to do so to save Gil on the first Day. Saurreg and Holbytlass are, therefore, our wolves.

This isn't absolutely definite. Oromin didn't vote and could, potentially, still be a wolf. I doubt it though.

Yesterday, they both voted for G-G, with Saurreg initiating the voting. This was probably a ploy to create some sort of defense, as they saw the sway of opinion.

Seeing as good ole Firefoot is still alive, I'm waiting for her post of who voted for whom. Until then, I propose a joint lynching of Holbytlass and Saurreg. Should this fail, we should turn our attention to Oromin.

[Firefoot]

Fact: Holbytlass is a wolf.

The other wolf is either Saurreg or Morm - these are the only two whose role I don't know, and the other Seer should have dreamt of Saurreg - who I think is more likely to be guilty. (If, somehow, there was a mistake, there's always tonight - the wolves can only kill one of us.) I see no way that the villagers can lose: we lynch Holbytlass today and the other wolf tomorrow. Or, as TGWBS proposed, we could just have a double lynching and get it over with (I was forgetting that that was allowed...).

Just for the record... (and because TGWBS asked):

Gil - 6 (Saurreg, Morm, LMP, Holby, Firefoot, Oromin)
Holby - 1 (TGWBS)
TGWBS - 1 (Gil)

Did not vote: Lhuna, Nilp

I also think it's odd that Nilp was killed - perhaps they thought he was a Seer. Oh... actually, it does make sense. The seers were set to dream about Holby and Saurreg, and if they were both wolves, the only way to save one of them was to kill a Seer. Hopefully (for them) they'd get another Seer tomorrow night, and the third wolf's identity would remain unproven by a seer.

[the guy who be short]

Ah, Firefoot, I thought you were a Seer. The mytho-Seer actually. Please tell us all the people you've dreamt of so far for clarity.

I was gonna ask the Seers to come out actually.

[mormegil]

As for my guilt I can tell you that I am innocent. However if my record doesn't speak for itself I would suggest the other seer come forward if they dreamt of Saurreg as they were suppose to.

[mormegil]

Ah, Firefoot, I thought you were a Seer. The mytho-Seer actually. Please tell us all the people you've dreamt of so far for clarity.

I was gonna ask the Seers to come out actually.

Wait on that Firefoot

In case Seer 1 didn't dream of Saurreg or myself. We shouldn't expose who they are. Suffice it to say that you don't know of Saurreg or myself.

[Firefoot]

Oromin - Seer (who I became)
Lhuna - Hunter
Holby - wolf

Unless I am completely mistaken, Oromin dreamt of lmp (see post 108 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=399424&postcount=108)). Of course, TGWBS is the other Shirriff.

This leaves Morm and Saurreg - one of them is an ordinary villager, the other a wolf.

[mormegil]

I would ask you to look at how I ended the day yesterday. Did it not seem that I was attempting to be the seer? I was hoping that it would be obvious to the actual seer especially to Firefoot the Mytho seer. I was attempting to be subtle in my manner but show that I was the seer so the wolves would attack me last night. I must say I'm a bit surprised to be alive today.

anyway there you have it.

[the guy who be short]

Morm, you certainly convinced me that you were the Seer. In any case, I find the evidence against Saurreg stronger. If the double lynching proves her to be innocent, we'll kill morm. Easy.

All we need to do is organise the double lynching.

[Firefoot]

I actually felt quite certain that I was going to die last night; I thought I was a pretty obvious seer - but not to the wolves, thankfully.

Morm - I'm entirely more suspicious of Saurreg than you. The reason you're in the list is because everyone but you and Saurreg are known to be absolutely one thing or another. For one thing, if you were a wolf, I highly doubt you would have been the first vote for Gil on Day 1.

But I await the word of Oromin before setting my opinion in stone, so to speak.

[mormegil]

Morm, you certainly convinced me that you were the Seer. In any case, I find the evidence against Saurreg stronger. If the double lynching proves her to be innocent, we'll kill morm. Easy.

All we need to do is organise the double lynching.

Well I'm glad I convinced at least somebody :rolleyes: Wished it would have actually worked as the decoy but oh well.

[littlemanpoet]

Decoy or no decoy, this game may be done by the end of toDay.

There are eight villagers left. I propose that we split up the vote 3 to 3 among the innocents so that the only way Holby and Saurreg (I assume) can mess up a double lynching is by both voting for one of themselves.

So let the following agree to vote for Holbytlass:


LMP
Firefoot
Lhunardawen

and let the remaining vote for Saurreg:

Guy
Oromuinalwen
Mormegil

How Holby will vote, if she does, I don't know and don't really care because it won't matter. If Holby and Saurreg vote both vote for Saurreg, making it 5 to 3 and then he is lynched, we'll find out either that he is innocent (which I doubt) and therefore Mormegil is a werewolf (which I doubt :D), and then we try for a double lynching again tomorrow again.... but come to think of it, could this not play into the hands of the remaining werewolf by them being able to consistently dump the vote away from the remaining werewolf? Maybe we should just get rid of Holby toDay and Saurreg the following Day. Thoughts?

Edit: Or we could have the two seers be the two last people to vote, in the nick of time, to make sure it comes out to a double lynching.

[the guy who be short]

LMP - as you said, four people should vote now, two for Holbytlass and two for Saurreg. If it looks like they're gonna screw it up, two people should stay towards the end and even out the score.

[littlemanpoet]

Okay, let's have the four active villagers vote as soon as possible: LMP, Guy, Firefoot and Mormegil, as I listed above. I'll start.

++ Holbytlass

I await others' cooperation.

Let's get 'em! :D

Edit: Hold it. As I recall, Orom & Lhuna, though known innocents now, vote both late and well before the time limit, so they can't be used as our clean up hitters. I can't either. Therefore, we need both Guy & Firefoot to vote last. Nothing against Mormegil, whom I almost completely trust, but he's not a known innocent. Okay?

[the guy who be short]

++Saurreg

[littlemanpoet]

Darn it. Sorry to have caused you to jump the gun, Guy. Well, Morm, you get to prove that you are as innocent as we think you are by joining with Firefoot as one of our pair of cleanup hitters. Please, FF & Morm, vote last.

Edit: Looks like you and I cross posted, Mormegil; this message should have cleared up your question.

[mormegil]

Being that guy voted already do you want me to hang around or not?

[littlemanpoet]

A somewhat superfluous post:

I'm sorry I haven't posted much. The reason I didn't vote yesterday is because I forgot when the vote was going to end. I just have to remember to vote at night, because I'm not generally awake in the morning when DAY ends. tgwbs, all I can say is that I was initially suspicious of you (mostly yesterDAY), but once lmp confirmed that you were indeed sherrifs, I trusted you. What this means, I will leave you to work out...

Now that we know Orominuialwen is Seer #1, it's obvious that she chose me to dream about on Night one, and learned of my innocence at least, and possibly that I was a shirriff (maybe not the second half). I guess therefore that calling attention to myself as "the bum" didn't entirely throw off the potential success of the villagers. Nice hint-dropping there, Oro; I wish I'd caught it earlier. :)

[Saurreg]

Is this it? Am I thwarted?

LMP and TGWBS, bane of my existence... Too clever you two.

For shame! For shame!

Very well, my end draws near. I have nothing to loose. I hereby confess to being a werewolf and committing the murders of Feanor, Kath and Nilp.

Farewell cruel world... I should get what I deserved.

Take my life, take my blood. But I beg of you all, don't take the face.

I wanna die pretty.

Thank you.

P.S: Mormegil, our little charade is over. Will you not come clean too?

[Saurreg]

When the day is over, this wretched beast will perish for its twisted nature and be no more. But before that sorrowful moment comes to pass my dear friends (and could have been delicious suppers), I Saurreg must speak once more. Firstly to add to my previous request, I bruise easily so don't use a rope that's too rough and secondly, I know you've all admired and dare I say envied over this perfect, smooth and tight alabaster skin (don't hate me cuz I'm gifted this way). Pray not pierce this body with cruel spikes and forks because you all don't want to destroy something so beautiful, no?

Lastly and on a more serious note I must speak of Eomer of the Rohirrim and confess to the great disservice I have rendered to him.

Eomer, sweet Eomer. I have committed great wrong against thee by exploiting thy courteous and noble heart, and twisting that pure soul with cruel hands. What thou started with innocent humour and mirth, I return with calculated cunningness and dark malice to shape my ends. And in doing so I caused thee an unfair burden of guilt and shame that should have been mine to bear.

It tore into me when I read thy vote and at that moment all glee and pride evaporated and I became remorseful myself.

Now I wonder what would happen when I cross yonder dark river and come face to face with Eomer of the Rohirrim again. Will he find it in that noble heart of his to forgive my cruel manipulations and let us embrace? Or will that handsome face turn dark and terrible, turn away and never look at me again? I shudder to think of the possibilities, especially when they are of my own making.

There I am done. Do what you must.

How can this lycan continue such a sickening masquerade for long when pangs of guilt pierces its dark heart?

[Firefoot]

P.S: Mormegil, our little charade is over. Will you not come clean too? Am I missing something? If Holbytlass is a wolf, and Saurreg is (admittedly) a wolf, what does Morm have to do with anything?

Or did Saurreg miss that I had dreamed of Holby (I'm not sure how he could...), and think that he could change the double lynching to himself and Morm?

Tell me if I'm missing something really obvious here... :rolleyes:

[mormegil]

No, you're not missing anything. It's a last ditch attempt to bring somebody down with him and try and stay alive.

[Firefoot]

Okay, that's what I figured.

[Holbytlass]

NO No no.....It wasn't a seer dream Firefoot had, it-it was a nightmare, ya that's all. I think she had me on her mind because she ate my most famous mushroom soup too late at night and it gave her indigestion and nasty FALSE dreams. GRRRR, I'm going to get you, Firefoot!! I'll wait till the last possible second and vote Saurreg. Then you're mine tonight!!
NO! I didn't mean for this to happen, it was Saurreg and Gil-Galad. They caught me in the forrest one night as I was gathering said famous mushrooms and forced me to join their evil minion by their cursed bites! grr you haven't got me yet!!





In memory of Nilp, whom it was delicious to see quartered!!

[Orominuialwen]

Holby, you're finished. I have some good news and some bad news. First of all, I am the other Seer. The bad news is that I too dreamt of Holbytlass last night. Just to back myself up (I don't think you'll need it at this point, but I'll do it anyway), I dreamed of Eomer on NIGHT 1 (in post 51 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=398972&postcount=51) I said I had a gut feeling he was innocent; I was trying to be subtle) and of lmp on NIGHT 2 (he's already quoted my post on that.)

I too thought I would die last NIGHT (my first post yesterDAY was anything but subtle) or that you would lynch me toDAY for defending Gil (I honestly did think he was innocent), but I'm glad to be around to help, even if my dream was redundant. I won't be around again until after to DAY is over, so I'll cast my vote now as lmp proposed.

++ SAURREG

[mormegil]

I know that we have about 6 or 7 hours left but due to the fact that my daughter isn't feeling well I'm not sure when I'll be able to vote. So I regret that I need to vote now but I see no other way out of it.

++Saurreg

[Lhunardawen]

So this is how everything ends...

Yes, I am the Hunter. You could just imagine the guilt that I felt after the werewolves went after Kath, probably thinking she was the Hunter after defending the role (post #30 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=398898&postcount=30)). It was a good thing, though, that they chose not to kill me; otherwise I would have taken the Seer with me. Yeah, yeah, I was totally wrong about Oromin. Guess she was way too subtle. Sorry, dearie.

But for some strange and unknown reason, since Day 1 I have suspected Holby. That suspicion finally solidified by Day 2. Come Night 2, I chose Holby as my hunt-ee over Saurreg.

I was hoping that the werewolves would come after me, but I didn't think they would since like them, I was under suspicion. My poor brother. Sleep in peace, and you too confusing beings living in his cranium.

So, here it goes.

++Holbytlass

(Haha. I am so dense. I suspected both Seers! :o Well, I did have a feeling Firefoot was learned, didn't I? ;) )

[littlemanpoet]

Been without power from 4:15 p.m. until 12:15 a.m. or I would have bugged everybody with more superfluous posts. :p

Firefoot still has to do a last minute vote. Although it appears that Holbytlass and Saurreg have conceded on the strategic merits of the villagers, as it is now only a matter of time. I guess we can wait this out until the official end of the Day. (impatient, grrrrrr) :mad:

[Lhunardawen]

Is it me, or are Holby and Saurreg going to abstain from voting?

EDIT: Just so lmp doesn't look like he is answering to a ghost on the next post, I asked about the time this Day will end, then deleted it for some reason. :D

[littlemanpoet]

Either 9:30 a.m. or 12 noon, EDT, depending upon the whims of the moddess goddess. :p

[littlemanpoet]

It seems that way, but I'd prefer if they left no doubt.

[Holbytlass]

++SAURREG
I said I'd wait till the last possible second, but Moddess Goddess didn't give one!! GGGRRRRRR!!

[Lhunardawen]

Seems to me Holby's beginning to transform with all those growls... :eek:

[Firefoot]

++Holbytlass

It seems that the only way we're going to achieve a double-lynching is if Saurreg votes for Holby... somehow I don't see that happening. I don't think it really matters if I vote now or after Saurreg votes (if he does).

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Either 9:30 a.m. or 12 noon, EDT, depending upon the whims of the moddess goddess. :p

My whim was going to be "Okay, my whim says that, with Holby's post, DAY has ended." but then I hit "quote" and saw that Footie got in a tied post. So, my whim has now changed to "You've got until 10:30."

If Saurreg can sneak in in that time, you guys keep from a double lynching. Oh, what a shame that would be. :D

LMP, you really shouldn't cater to my whims when I've been up all night. ;)

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Hmm... I guess I misread the votes earlier. Expect Saurreg's death shortly.

[Firefoot]

If Saurreg can sneak in in that time, you guys keep from a double lynching. Actually, the only way we could get a double lynching is if Saurreg does show up and vote for Holby. I'm counting 4 votes for Saurreg (TGWBS, Oromin, Morm, Holby) and 3 for Holby (LMP, Lhuna, Firefoot). Saurreg is the only one who hasn't voted.

:)

Edit: Okay, nevermind.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

The villagers surrounded Saurreg unexpectedly. He laughed in their faces.

"No," admonished one of the villager. "He's really a she."
"He is?"
"No, she is."
"Wait, what?"

During this time, Saurreg stepped forward calmly.

"You know... at first I was afraid." [s]he said. The villagers stopped quarreling, confused. "I was petrified. I kept thinking that I could never fool you fellows with my lies. But then we spent several nights plotting how to do you wrong, and I grew strong. We wolves learned how to get along."

"Quite wolf! Get back!" cried the villagers, surprisingly in tune. They stepped forward together in a threatening and well-choreographed way. "Back to your place. Just wipe that innocent and reasonable look off of your face!"

"You should have changed all of your locks." Saurreg told them, a little late, as it were.

"We should have made her leave her key." the villagers muttered.
"If I'd known for any short amount of time how badly she'd bother me..." muttered another villager.
"So... you just felt like explaining and expect us to be meek? Well, we're saving all our meekness for someone that you don't be!"

With that, the villagers stepped forward on cue. In the background, Holby growled menacingly, but mostly harmlessly. She watched it all with a grin. Her late vote had sealed Saurreg's fate, leaving her to kill once more... just to spite the village. There was no picturable way that she could still win... But she could give the Moddess Goddess her deepest desire in taking out the Hunter in one last, entertainingly-narrated battle. Or she could kill a Seer or someone. Either way, she would never win. Pity.

Saurreg was now surrounded. [S]he growled, transforming. Lhuna stepped forward.

"No worries, my doves, I'll handle this." And so she did, reaching forward with one quick motion and finishing off the werewolf Saurreg with a move not unlike what, in the future, would be called the Vulcan death-grip. Saurreg dropped like a rock and changed back into his small and gender-unsure form.

The village had bagged another wolf. They knew the final one. There would be a final death tonight, but what was one sacrifice, when they knew that Holby would die in the morrow?

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It is now NIGHT. Holbytlass, send me the name of your spite-kill. Oro and Footie, send me a dream, pointless as it is. I suspect you will both dream of Morm. :D Lhuna, you should send me a name post haste. TGWBS and LMP, don't PM each other. Mormegil... remain pointlessly suspicious for a little while longer.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

She lay deep in dream as the final night crawled by. Suddenly she woke, startled by a polite knock at the door. Oromin got up to answer, quite appropriately cautiously, given yesterday's occurences.

She glanced out the window and was relieved to see Lhuna.

"Have you heard any odd noises?" she asked hurriedly. "Seen anything out of the ordinary?" Orominuialwen shook her head sleepily. She had guessed this might happen.

"She's gone... isn't she?" she murmered, not particularly afraid.

"Yes." said the Hunter shortly. "I've been tracking her for hours, but to no avail. Our wolf has given me the slip."

"No, I've not seen her." Oromin paused, remembering. Suddenly a loud noise erupted from Firefoot's home, across the way. Lhuna turned on her heel and sprinted toward the sound. Oromin went back into her home, closing the door and barring it. She made her way quietly to her bed. Her dreams had been uneasy as of late. Unthinkingly, she scrawled a few lines in her nightly journal. It was an odd comment, but perhaps some of the villagers would appreciate the thought behind it.

As Oromin made to climb into bed, a pale white hand grasped her ankle. She screamed, looking down, to see the body of Holbytlass sliding gracefully from under the frame. She transformed inch by inch as her flesh met the moonlight flooding the room. Oromin froze, calm, her pale white night gown swaying in a non-existant breeze.

"The sound..." she murmered. "A diversion?"

Holbytlass laughed throatily. "Very good, my dear. Amazing how swiftly people will chase flashes and bangs, when a little subtlety does the trick in such a neater fashion."

Oromin had seen it coming. Nightmares of this instant had plagued her for days. She stood bravely, face to face with Holbytlass, now fully transformed. She met her eyes without a tremble. Her shoulders were braced, and she smiled tiredly.

"You may kill me, wolf... but you will die for it. Do you doubt me? I have Seen. It is well known who you are, and what you do. The monster within you has taken your soul completely. You are no longer a maiden of the twilight, but a child of the night, bathed in darkness and fear. I do not fear you, and I do not fear my death. Though please," she added. "have pity and slay me swiftly."

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The village woke up the next morning to a raging storm. The wolf had evaded the Hunter and it was guessed that the worst had happened. They convened in the village park once again, soaked to the bone by the falling sheets of rain. The wind buffeted them, and lightening lit the sky.

"T'will be a pity to lose her today.... terribly good chef. So clever too..."

A sudden blinding flash struck the lightening rod affixed to Orominuialwen's home. The villagers looked up and gasped. Arranged amongst large pineapples and peppers, chunks of their first Seer's flesh where skewered upon the pole like some sort of macabre shish-kabob. The village sprinted to her home as fast as physics allowed them. The door was sligthly open.

Cautiously they pushed forward and examined the room. There was a small amount of blood on the floor by the bed, but other than that, no signs of struggle. Firefoot glanced to the bedside table and noted the journal. She read aloud in understanding and wonder:

I found it kind of funny... as well as sad....
The dreams in which I died were the best I ever had.


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DAY has now begun.

Enjoy. You know the rules.

Oh, yes... sorry about the full inbox. I was out buying new toys (a digital camera and HP6 [good book, I recommend it], if you're interested) and couldn't get to my computer to delete until this morning.

[mormegil]

What I find comical is that yesterday as a village we knew who the wolves were and yet didn't kill both of them :D .

Anyway no need for any real debate

++Holybtlass

I wonder if she dare vote today or not?

[Holbytlass]

[QUOTE=littlemanpoet]Instead: Lynch Suspect A; have Seer #1 dream suspect B; have Seer # 2 dream suspect C.[QUOTE]

++LittleManPoet

Not that it will get me anywhere, but it's for his stupid plan!!!!
And Morm, I DARE!

[littlemanpoet]

++Holbytlass

[the guy who be short]

++Holbytlass

Once we're done, can we turn her into a kebab please? I've never had werewolf before. Nicely ironic too.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Holby-kabob? We'll see.

[Firefoot]

++Holbytlass

Werewolf meat? Ew... ;)

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Holbytlass grinned toothily at the remaining villagers. "And just how did you plan on killin' me then?" she asked interestedly. The villagers traded glances. To be honest, they had no idea. They had assumed she would attack and that it would be a melodramatic fight to the death, filled with passionate cries, blood-curdling screams, and yells of a nature so theatrical that I shall not endeavor to describe them here. And now the wolf wanted to know how she was going to die.

"Well..." said one quick thinking villager. "Why don't you tell us how you think you're going to die."

Holby laughed wolfishly and looked at them with an interestingly pitying glance. "I believe," she said, "that you will first take several steps back, to throw me off guard."

"Of course we were going to do that!" cried the villagers, cottoning on to the way of avoiding the terribly embarrassing situation of being caught unprepared. They stepped back and muttered unconvincingly... to throw off the wolf.

"And then," she smiled, "you were going to send forth your Sherriffs to flank me, I'm assuming."

TGWBS and LMP stepped forward brawnily. Several lasses that had been entirely uninvolved and imaginary up until this moment swooned at their heroism. The men grinned at each other, and made to grip her arms. She let them, continuing.

"Perhaps you had then planned to send forth your Hunter to intimidate me?" Lhuna stepped forth, brandishing a spear. "And of course, you will have wanted your Seer to tell me that it was a lost cause all along." Firefoot obliged.

"And what else did you think we had planned on doing, wolf!?" cried mormegil sharply. The charade was working, and they seemed to be closing in quite adeptly.

"Well," she added softly. "you had assumed that I would come... how is it? Oh yes... that I would come quietly. I'm afraid that is out of the question. What sort of wolf would I be if I simply gave up?" And with that she transformed into a shape more terrifying and wolfish than ever before. Perhaps it was only that the village had not yet seen her transform in the daylight, but she seemed bigger even than Gil-Galad had. She seemed more subtle even than Saurreg had. A terrifying sight, really.

Firefoot stepped back, stumbling. Holbytlass swooped upon her like a demented owl, scratching the bejeezus out of her face. TGWBS and LMP dove for her but she brushed them aside, aiming for the defenseless mormegil. She cuffed him hard upside the left second rib and he dropped, gasping for water. From the shadows, Lhunartemis the Hunter threw her silver-tipped spear. Though she had missed out on catching the wolf last night, she did not miss now. Her aim was true and she skewered the wolf neatly. Holbytlass froze, looking down at the stake that had so neatly pierced her heart. She tossed TGWBS some mushrooms from her pocket as she transformed back to her petite human frame.

"Werewolf," she gasped in pain, "I am told... tastes marvelous when skewered with--" she fell to the ground, crumpled with pain. "With... mushrooms" she gasped "and A1 steak sauce." With that, the final werewolf was no more. Actually, she was still there, neatly skewered into a Holby-kabob, but her spirit was no more.

Actually, strictly speaking, that was inaccurate as well. What the triumphant village had assumed was a gathering mist was actually the departed spirits of the deceased. Eomer of the Rohirrim's translucent figure could be seen, just barely, playing the lute on the edge of the well. Nilpaurion danced a lively jig with Alice before Adam stole her away for a round. Kath floated happily above the villagers heads, bobbing to the beat. Gil-Galad, Saurreg, and Holby's pearly spirits hovered off in a quiet corner, looking morose. The village had won. The celebration would last all night and could, finally, be posted on this thread.

Congratulations Village!

[mormegil]

"Like a demented owl"??? What's that about?

And Mormegil defenseless... :(

To be honest, maybe even prideful, I'm proud of myself in this game. I had Gil-Galad and Holby figured out fairly early on. I'm usually so bent on my "Kill the phantom" strategy that I don't see anybody else.

Very fun though awfully one sided...sorry about that wolves.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

I take it that you disliked my simile? I was rather fond of it, really.

By "defenseless", I mean role-less. You were the poor innocent villager. Which meant that Holby got to pick on you. You played well, morm. So there. ;)

[the guy who be short]

"Like a demented owl"??? What's that about?Normal owls don't try to kill people, y'see.

Well, that was fun(ky). :D Expect Shirriff talk soon.

Thanks Fea for the Holby-kabob. I'm sure my village-self enjoyed it. :D I laughed long and hard at the scene (wait... this isn't feeding your ego is it?).

[littlemanpoet]

Yes, the wolves have my sympathy. .... as I've explained elsewhere.

I had Holby ... her too thorough defense of vote #1 for Eomer threw me off. Gil-galad's bungle by posting at Night, plus his sheer desperation, made me suspicious. Saurreg fooled me but good. I could never see what you guys saw, at least I couldn't convince myself, until the seers left the choice between her and Mormegil. Well played, Morm and Firefoot especially! Lhuna did great in her rookie endeavor, and did have to struggle with the time zone dilemma ... and my suspicion. :P

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Normal owls don't try to kill people, y'see.
Which is why I used a demented one instead.

Thanks Fea for the Holby-kabob.
Fun to say, isn't it?

(wait... this isn't feeding your ego is it?).
If I say no, will you continue?

[the guy who be short]

Day One:

Well, you've basically openly stated that you're a Shirriff. I'm not so sure of the logic behind this :p but I'll go with it.

Should we explicitly work together or not?

Any ideas? I genuinely support your plan... I think. I need to think it through.

I've said I think there's more to you than meets the eye. We can't have people guess our relationship yet though - that would be semi-fatal. We need it just explicit enough that, if one Shirriff should die, the other should be recognisable.

Okay, I wanna talk about your plan.

The wolves will, according to chance, almost certainly kill a gifted villie this night anyway. Additionally, it would eradicate our ability to look at the way people vote. I don't think it's worth it. We're gonna loose gifted villies anyway. I say, leave us the small chance to get a wolf, and the ability to gauge votes.

What do you think?

Okay, I've blown my wad on the plan. If people buy it, they do; if they don't, they don't. Beeg deeel. I think I pretty much stated I'm a shirriff, but some may think I'm a wolf acting like a gifted villager. So it's not all out in the clear yet. I'm not going to get all huffy about my plan, but you bet if I survive I'm gonna land I told you so's all over the place. If and when I get lynched, just before I do, I'll announce that you're the other shirriff. In the meantime, let's track accusers, defenders, votes, and pronouncements and see where things point.

Any suspects? I'm more suspicious of Firefoot for being present but not noticable. Also, she supports your plan with the major flaw of lack of voting records. She claims she would rather see innocent villagers die.

Kath implies she's the Hunter.

Eomer and morm seem innocent enough to me.

Holbytlass I'm not yet sure of.

Saurreg and Oro have said little.

I was thinking that Eomer is being way too cavalier, despite his chosen profession.

No guarantees I can do much - my computer is croaking on me little by little.

Morm feels like a loudmouth style hunter to me. What post did you see Kath acting like the hunter in?

Don't overlook Orom. Seems a bit seedy.

Of Holby and Firefoot's little back and forth little can be made. They could be two innocents just yacking about strategy, or they could be two wolves choosing this to discuss because it gives them face time without having to really commit to saying anything worthwhile. Dunno.

what if we declare ourselves right away and give the werewolves two known innocents straight up? One of us might get lynched by the stoooopid villagers but maybe not. Then the werewolves have to spend two nights killing us off. Then the seer can fess up on Day Three, and the Ranger can protect on Night 3. That gives us some control over the wolves. Or we could try this after one day and night, hoping we're both still around. maybe it's only important for one of us to declare ourselves. Thoghts?

If on Day Two we announce that we're the shirriffs, we force the werewolves' hand. They have two choices: either (1) stay shut up and take us out the next two nights, or (2) two of them declare themselves as shirriffs (quite bold) which gives us a real battle, but then we know who two of the werewolves are because an innocent wouldn't do such a thing. Yes, we might get lynched, but then we are revealed as shirriffs when we're dead, and then two werewolves are revealed. They'd actually be pretty stupid to choose (2) because we win. So they're forced into (1) which buys the rest of the village two free nights. What do you think?

I won't be back to take a look at all this until its officially NIGHT, so we'll not be able to PM until tomorrow. But if you reveal the two of us together in one of your posts tomorrow, I'll know your decision. By the way, that's how it should be done. One shirriff ought to name both of us; that makes it clearer.

But if you don't want to go that way and think we can be more useful by being quiet about our identities, please don't feel like you have to do this. Gotta run!

Any suspects? I'm more suspicious of Firefoot for being present but not noticable. Also, she supports your plan with the major flaw of lack of voting records. She claims she would rather see innocent villagers die.

Kath implies she's the Hunter.

I don't see this.

Eomer don't trust himand morm okseem innocent enough to me.

Holbytlass I'm not yet sure of. me either

Saurregprob. clean and Oro don't knowhave said little.

Sorry LMP, I just woke up! If you must go, cya. I'll be sending PMs as I read, but you porbably won't get to read them until Night.

You won't get this until toNight, so I'm setting uot my thoughts.

If we openly declare ourselves as Shirriffs now, we'll be of little use. Here's why:

During Day, we come out to avoid innocents being lynched. Usually there is a 3 in 12 chance of bagging a wolf, but if we openly declare ourselves, this becomes 3 in 10. However, seeing as we're not being voted for, the chance of getting awolf actually is 3 in 10 already. So no point coming out for Day.

During Night, the plan was to force the wolves to go after us so that they don't get the Seer. Okay, I need to think here. Usually there is a 1 in 8 chance that they would get the Seer (presuming we lynch an innocent toDay). If we come out, the could ignore us, and try to bag the Seer with a 1 in 6 chance!

If they do this, they have a 2 in 3 chance of getting either the Seer, Guardian, Hunter or Mytho. Usually they wouldhave a 1 in 2 chance. I think we're increasing it too much - I don't want to risk doing that. If they see the increased chance of killing smebody important, they might well decide to leave us alone and go for it.

If they do that, then there are 10 people left, two of whom are us - known innocents. However, if we simply declare ourselves on the morning of Day 2, then the same thing happens - 2 known innocents in a group of 10. I suggest we do this - If we come out toDay, if the wolves are clever, they'll leave us alone and try to kill a Gifted Villie and almost certainly succeed.

That said, I've left strong hints of your innocence - the wolves probably think I am the Seer or we're both Shirriffs already. If they think that, they will definitely kill me.

I'm not sure how much sense my ramblings made, but basically, I would rather we declared ourselves on the morrow and give the wolves a pain in the posterior :p.


http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=398898&postcount=30 - Kath is defensive of the position of the Hunter. I think it's her.

[Firefoot]

I didn't like being a Seer; it wasn't as much fun as I thought it would be. It's much more fun to be a werewolf...http://www.corsaclub.de/smilies/23.gif ;)

Personally, I didn't think I was a very good Seer. It seemed blatantly obvious to me (for example: Lhuna and Oromin were on my lynch list end of Day 1; then start of Day 2 I state that I changed my mind. Um, yeah.) I was pretty surprised when I found out Nilp had been killed and not me; I had about convinced myself that I was the one to go. Paranoia, I guess.

Wolves, considering the circumstances, I thought you did a pretty good job. I was pretty convinced Saurreg was innocent when I was trying to make my Mytho decision, which is one of the reasons I didn't choose him... :eek:

See, I wanted to either be a Wolf or the Seer. I couldn't decide who, though, and I was down to Oromin, Holby, Saurreg, or Lhuna. I ended up choosing Oromin for two reasons: a) she had the potential to be either a wolf or the seer (it's pretty easy to tell that some people probably aren't the Seer) and b) finally, in desperation, I told my brother to pick a number 1-10, and he chose 8 which corrosponded to Oromin (it's always 8 or 9 (Saurreg's number!), he said), which was ironic enough for me since Morm's coworker had also chosen Oromin...

That's also why I was being a little quieter on Day 1, as some of you noticed - I didn't want to be in a situation like Kath who suddenly seemed to be changing her tune. I wasn't sure whether I wanted to be a Wolf or a Villager. And I really was very nearly a wolf... you villagers had better be glad my brother picked 8 and not 9!

And this has rambled on long enough.

[the guy who be short]

Interestingly, Nilp and Gil-Galad only posted once each. :eek:

Oh, and Mgoddess Feanor, pray tell what death you had planned for those of us unfortunate enough to not fall prey to your roving pen... keyboard.

[Kath]

I'm sure Gil posted more than once. I was following it even if I couldn't join in and I'd swear he made a few posts.

Fantastic deaths by the way Fea!

[the guy who be short]

Check it yourself - go to ME Mirth, and click on the "replies" for this thread. You unbelieving unbeliever, you, Kath. ;)

I should probably make some sort of point to this post so as to avoid being reprimanded...

Jolly good game, chaps! :smokin:

[mormegil]

Check it yourself - go to ME Mirth, and click on the "replies" for this thread. You unbelieving unbeliever, you, Kath. ;)

I should probably make some sort of point to this post so as to avoid being reprimanded...

Jolly good game, chaps! :smokin:

Never knew about that feature. Seems that you and I (TGWBS) are rather loud. Funny thing about this game, being an innocent I wanted to be a bit more on the quiet side for a change of strategy and I just couldn't do it. :rolleyes: I simply had to be loud!

[mormegil]

I'm sure Gil posted more than once. I was following it even if I couldn't join in and I'd swear he made a few posts.

Fantastic deaths by the way Fea!


I think he did but he decided to delete many of them.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Oh, and Mgoddess Feanor, pray tell what death you had planned for those of us unfortunate enough to not fall prey to your roving pen... keyboard.
I shall type for you Lhuna's death tomorrow, as well as the basic idea for Footie's, and yours, TGWBS. Look for them around 9:00 tomorrow morning.

[mormegil]

I shall type for you Lhuna's death tomorrow, as well as the basic idea for Footie's, and yours, TGWBS. Look for them around 9:00 tomorrow morning.

So no death for me eh? I feel a bit slighted :mad:

[Orominuialwen]

Great job everyone! I must be rather thick-skulled or something, but I really had no idea about anybody, except for those that I dreamed of. The rest of you had me absolutely in the dark. Whether this is due to your skills or my supreme obliviousness, I'm not sure, but this was immense fun to play! The death you wrote for me was great, Fea. I have a feeling that my very morbid friend will quite pleased with it when I show it to him. I also loved Saurreg's I Will Survive death. It was hilarious!

Firefoot, who did you dream of, other than Holbytlass? I'm curious to know.

[littlemanpoet]

I think he did but he decided to delete many of them.

Yes, that threatened to really screw up my notes because I was tracking by post #. Baaaad wolf! Baaaaaad wolf!

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

I feel like a thousand lemmings deprived of a chance to jump off the cliff.

That's how I feel.

You see the scar on my sig? It's your fault, you wolves! Argh! ;)

Vy ze vay, nice game, guys. Nice death scenes, Fea.

And, Firefoot, looks like Episode 6: The Return of the Villagers came true. :D

[Lhunardawen]

This is all your fault, Fea.

I was ready for my heroic act for the last Night, only to find that your PM box is full. Do you want to know what I would have PMed you? Here.

I'm thinking, grinning diabolically to myself, sitting in front of a computer in my university, of actually killing a seer just for the heck of it. Not just any seer, mind you, but the Seer, the one I chose the first time around. Then, if Holby decided to kill me, the villagers would kill me again. Wouldn't that be fun?

But I don't desire a second death. So, just to give the whole thing a happy ending, you know my victim.

Holbytlass.

Make sure to make my death extra special, okay? ;)

But you had to go and ruin it all. And so did Holby, by not killing me. That would have been a climactic ending.

I hope you'll forever be in remorse.

End of the Lhunatic's theatrics. :D

[Holbytlass]

My final P.M. to Feanor:
the spite kill
okay, since this kill is for spite and won't affect the game, I went through all the ww games and found 2 people (still alive) that haven't had the pleasure of being hanged or killed, Lhuna and Orom.
I'm not going to kill Firefoot because werewolves don't keep promises!!
I decided on Orom because of her line, "Holby, you're finished". Now she is finished, too!! MUWAHAHA -Holby

That and also I had already been killed by a hunter and had never been hanged by the village.

I was trying to do things differently with strategy, too but what you don't know is that on the second day I had severe computer problems. My computer would freeze up after about 6 minutes and i would have to restart the whole thing! So my desperation actually was about that and trying to get enough meaningful posts in. And of course my over-exuberance in trying to get Eomer lynched, not Gil.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Lhuna: forever remorseful. I'd been away from home all weekend (yes, my social life was why I couldn't manage to be awake at 9:00 on the weekend) and then my ride came unexpectedly early. I figured I'd get home and clear out my inbox, but then my parents offered to drive me to buy my new camera. I wasn't about to say no, which, of course, is why I was unaware of your last request. But it didn't particularly make a difference because Silly Holby didn't pick you. :)

Mormegil: forever remorseful. Mith knows this story, but I lied to you. You weren't a villager... you weren't anything. I completely missed your name when sign ups were happening, and then when I chose roles, I forgot about you. I'd already sent out roles to everyone else, so you got gypped when it came to that. Like I said... forever remorseful. But I'll write a really great death for you. Just to make it up to you. Guys, you wouldn't believe the number of times I had to edit my posts because I forgot about him. I don't know how either, because I fell prey, much like Mith, to his charisma and almost told him too much several times. :rolleyes: Slap my wrist now... bad mod.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

He was swiftly caught and bound to the stretching apparatus. Inch by inch, the villagers lengthened his small frame.

"This was not" he screamed in agony, "the way I had envisioned reaching six feet!"

Not very long after, every organ had ruptured, save his skin, leaving TGWBS a rather lumpy, but tall, corpse.

His spirit floated gently upward, caught on an unfelt breeze. The pearlescent shadow grimaced at his broken shell. "Nice job." he muttered rebelliously.

"Aren't you supposed to be dead?" cried a villager.

"Actually, I think I'm getting better." he replied, floating with supreme unconcern toward the body still bound to the frame.

"No you're not... you'll be stone dead in a moment." As soon as it was said, the last recognizable traits of TGWBS's spirit fell away from his body with a resounding thud.

"Well..." he said. "In that case." And floated away forever.

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The italics are what I crossed out after narrating Gil-Galad's death. This was written before I assigned roles, which is why there's no mention of being a Sherriff in there. It would have been tweaked a little before posting, but that was my initial idea for his death.

Had the wolves gotten him, instead of the village doing it, they would have discovered his body attached to the whatchamayapsit in the morning.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Nice post Saurreg. :) By the way, if I had to pick a best player it would be you. The wolvery was just so difficult in this game.

I am happy to know that it was the wolves who killed me. Holby I figured out during that madcap half-hour before death. ;) I'm just glad the villagers picked up on it. Well played; it was calculating and professional.

And Kath is even unluckier than I am in Werewolf games - Fact. I wish you well in the future, lass!

Fea, you already know what I think. ;)

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Firefoot was to be burned alive (of course, her feet would go first and be nicely wreathed in flame). The note I gave to Oromin was intially for Footie.

Lhuna, pre-role assignment, was to be attacked by a rabid raccoon. This was inspired by what I had planned to do to Kuruharan if he'd played. Kuru would have been attacked by rabid ferrits.

LMP was scheduled to go down in a "haze of gory" as per request from a while ago.

blood washed the walls like some new-aged red paint. chunks of flesh decorated the mantle as well as the floor. If they hadn't known better, they'd assume that Trading Spaces had brought in Hilde for the job.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

"Oh excellent Lhuna, you're already here." said ___ to the slender and lovely frame leaning unconcernedly against a tree. "We went to your house, but all we found were a bunch of weapons and some dead animals with their heads displayed on your walls. Terribly odd decour, don't you think?"

Ignoring the pronounced lack of response, ___ continued to speak. "Oh good... here come more of us. Like I was saying, it's great to see you're okay. Bit quiter than usual though... And pale. Quite pale. Almost like a stuffed kill yourself!" ___ remarked with a laugh, slapping Lhuna jovially on the shoulder. Quite unexpectedly, Lhuna fell face forward onto the grass to reveal brutally torn clothes and long lines of scabbed over stitches down her bodily seams peeking out modestly from beneath. Immediately ____ suffered a massive cardiac episode and died.

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Of course, this would have been edited a bit, given whatever circumstances I felt needed to be included. I probably would have had the wolves show up at her house and then before showing anything happening, I'd continue on to morning, where her chosen prey would find the taxedermied body leaning against a tree and chat with it for awhile. This is, by far, my favorite death, even though it's still in it's rough stage, and I didn't get to use it.

[littlemanpoet]

I had meant to mention this earlier, but only remembered now. The term, "hung, drawn, and quartered", is borrowed from butchery. The 'hung' and 'quartered' part are obvious. What isn't so obvious, and Feanor must not have realized (i.e., goofed), is that "drawn" refers to the intestinal organs being "drawn" from the carcasse's middle. Thus, in "Braveheart", when William was being "drawn and quartered", which they couldn't show even on an R rated movie, all they could show was William wheezing "freedom!" without being able to support it with breath, because all his supportive innards had been removed. Otherwise, I think you got everything spot on, Fea.

[Kath]

And Kath is even unluckier than I am in Werewolf games - Fact. I wish you well in the future, lass!

Thank you Eomer!

I loved TGWBS's death then Fea, granting his greatest wish in death.

[Orominuialwen]

The note you had in my death was lines from a song, right? They sounded vaguely familiar (like I've seen them in a signature or something) but I have no idea where they're from. (I don't know much about music after 1975 or so :p)

[Lhunardawen]

Check it yourself - go to ME Mirth, and click on the "replies" for this thread. You unbelieving unbeliever, you, Kath. *stares in amazement* I learn new things everyday!

And that discovery revealed how much loudmouths you and morm really are. :p

Holby...why? Should I have said something along the lines of "Holby, you're finished" for you to kill me? You should have taken into consideration that I am a newbie...and fresh meat is always delish. :D

This part of Fea's post is particularly funny:
It is now NIGHT. Holbytlass, send me the name of your spite-kill. Oro and Footie, send me a dream, pointless as it is. I suspect you will both dream of Morm. Lhuna, you should send me a name post haste. TGWBS and LMP, don't PM each other. Mormegil... remain pointlessly suspicious for a little while longer. Where else in all the games have you seen something like this?

Fea, whatever happened to the Lhunacy part? But that was great. Especially the words slender and lovely frame - I had to laugh. You should have heard me. And Lhunartemis... :D I don't know if I should take it as a good thing or not that you so want to see me die.

By the way, methinks there should be a rule against deleting posts.

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

I've noticed that no Ranger survived in every game played with a Ranger so far.

Hmmm . . . is this a cursed role?

[mormegil]

By the way, methinks there should be a rule against deleting posts.


I couldn't agree more. I think edits are troublesome as well. Especially when you add content. If it's just to correct spelling or grammar that's fine, but if content is added often times I won't check back on the posts to see it they've been edited or not.

[Lhunardawen]

morm, will you sign this petition, then? *hands morm a clipboard*

[mormegil]

morm, will you sign this petition, then? *hands morm a clipboard*


Of course though this is something probably best brought to the WWI board where general rules are spoken about.

[Lhunardawen]

Of course. After you sign this I'll bring it there. :D

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Gil edited his post to add a vote for me, which I didn't see for a good few minutes. And let me tell you, that half-hour was hectic and confusing. There should be no editing and no deleting. Double-posting is not a problem in Werewolf games.

I loved my death, though. Profound fear of drowning indeed, eh tgwbs? :D

[the guy who be short]

I loved my death, though. Profound fear of drowning indeed, eh tgwbs?Actually, I don't recall you being that afraid of it the first time. :p Going to Ulmo and all that.

6 feet tall... wow! Would it even be possible to stretch somebody by a whole foot? :D I liked the death though.

Have you noticed that all the werewolves, in past games and this one, seem to be more interested in gore than in eating people?

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Have you noticed that all the werewolves, in past games and this one, seem to be more interested in gore than in eating people?
I think that has more to do with moderating whims than it does wolf taste. And besides... it all evened out in the end when you guys got to sample Holby-kabobs. Those weren't in other games, now were they? ;)

Lhuna: the rabid raccoons? You were going to be foaming at the mouth, running around screaming, terrified of water, acting all around weird... and nobody was going to know there was anything wrong for quite some time. After that, you would drop dead and people would be left to wonder which symptoms belonged to rabies and which belonged to your Lhunacy. Yes, I know... rabies doesn't work that fast. But there were a lot of raccoons and they were maltempered. They got her but good. :D

Mormegil: I haven't been feeling quite up to par the past few days, but once I'm back to myself, I'll get a death up for you.

[littlemanpoet]

Gil edited his post to add a vote for me, which I didn't see for a good few minutes. And let me tell you, that half-hour was hectic and confusing. There should be no editing and no deleting. Double-posting is not a problem in Werewolf games.

I loved my death, though. Profound fear of drowning indeed, eh tgwbs? :D

My sense is that Gil has effectivley excused (banned may be too strong a word) himself from future Werewolf games. More's the pity. One wonders what was really going on... :confused: Poor guy.

[Kath]

I've noticed that no Ranger survived in every game played with a Ranger so far.

That's likely because I've had that role twice now! :rolleyes:

[Saurreg]

My sense is that Gil has effectivley excused (banned may be too strong a word) himself from future Werewolf games. More's the pity. One wonders what was really going on... :confused: Poor guy.

Holby and I lost contact with him very soon after night 1. He did send me a PM but that was done in the "day" and so I disregarded it.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Due to personal circumstances, Gil was rendered unable to get onto his computer for more than ten minute stretches. We conversed for a bit after he died/resigned and he may or may not try again in a new game once things settle down. I wish him the best.

On more of a [retired] moderator's note: for the love of Eru, don't delete posts, and if you do, post a new one saying that you did, and why. Do not edit posts, just double. You wouldn't believe how hard that is to keep track of. Firefoot... luck be with you, because it's tough watching players screw up and not post to "nudge" them. I gave in in the very beginning when Holby reacted to my own death by saying "DON'T kill her because she reacted." :) Of course, she was a wolf, but I didn't want to see her go so fast for a bad reason. My explanation was entirely accurate; that death was written long before I assigned roles.

Also, I've noticed that it's a royal pain trying to keep tabs on what players are saying and where. In Game 5 (MM), a few people posted on the discussion thread. In Game 6 (my game), a few people did the same. That makes it tough on the Mod, and it makes it tough on the players.

[Holbytlass]

Have you noticed that all the werewolves, in past games and this one, seem to be more interested in gore than in eating people?
We have to watch our girlish figures, fur adds 10 pounds!

To LMP: cool! Thanks for using something I said as a sig, I assume you know it was all in the game and I don't really think your plan was stupid. Only cause I was a wolf! :D

And Eomer, I was really starting to feel bad that you hardly get to play, but I had to stay the course for my wolf-buddy, Gil.

[the guy who be short]

Shirriff Talk, Day Two (when do we get wolf talk? You did keep your PMs... right?)

Told ya about Eomer. :p

Any plans today? I'm too overheated to care much, to be honest, but if you think of some sort of master plan be sure to let me know.

I don't think we should divulge any more info about why we came out. We need the wolves to kill us!

Right, LMP, I’m going to analyze everybody in this post.

Firefoot
Gil-Galad
Holbytlass
Lhunardawen
Mormegil
Nilpaurion
Orominuialwen
Sauregg

Right. Three wolves. Two Seers – this is important One Seer knows who the other one is and knows of their innocence, as well as 3 dreams so far. That’s four people whose identities at least one Seer knows. Also, a Hunter and two innocents.

By tomorrow, that will be six people. I’m going to ask the Seers to openly declare themselves tomorrow, if I’m not around, you better! That way, we get 6 (maximum) people’s roles revealed to us, plus the wolves can only kill one Seer at Night, so the other Seer revealed a 7th role. Have you got that? The Seers must declare themselves on the morrow.

Right now. I’m apparently not going to analyze people yet. Too lazy, to be honest. I’ll do it later on today. But the above is important. If I die, remember it!

Firefoot – Innocent. Liked my plan, later said she wouldn’t want to kill innocents. Thinks I’m innocent. Potential Seer. Voted G-G at a critical time – knew Eomer was innocent? Trying to save him?
Gil-Galad – Weird posts. Votes Eomer.
Holbytlass – Votes Eomer, clinching his death.
Lhunardawen – guilty? Defensive because I named her randomly! Jumped in voting for G-G.
Mormegil – voted G-G simply because G-G was being himself.
Nilpaurion – No posts to go on.
Orominuialwen – “Eomer, what is going on? You're behaving in a most bizzare fashion. I have a gut feeling that says you're innocent, but innocents who behave suspiciously tend to get themselves lynched. I think we all could do with some sort of explanation.” Makes me think she’s guilty. Gut feeling? She doesn’t post nearly enough. Doesn’t vote, too, staying under the radar.
Sauregg – not sure. Analytical, yes. He suspects Eomer, Kath, you. I’d say guilty. Votes Eomer, then claims he thought he was innocent! Doesn’t immediately believe we are Shirriffs.. Claims he killed Eomer because he thought he was a Shirriff.

I hope you don't mind I went ahead and posted up a plan before consulting you. It seemed so obvious to me. I notice that you and I generally agree on the others. I'm suspicious of Oro, and might put her in the place of Gil, who might just be crybabying and that's all. Hard to say. Then again, it's that kind of behavior that gets one lynched, and if he was a werewolf, the other two would have warned him against that kind of posting. See if it keeps up or not. I think Morm's right about "if you don't have time to play, don't". Anyhow.....

Oh, apparenlty my computer's okay again, and it seems like it must have just been corrupted files and folders. What a relief! .... so far.

I hope you don't mind I went ahead and posted up a plan before consulting you. It seemed so obvious to me. I notice that you and I generally agree on the others. I'm suspicious of Oro, and might put her in the place of Gil, who might just be crybabying and that's all.Not at all, good plan.

So, does your top three sort of resemble mine or not? 1) Saurreg, 2) Lhuna 3) Holbytlass, I think it was something like that.

I had Gil in place of Saur. I was very impressed with Saur's analysis on the first day; it showed that he's trying to apply what he learned from the phantom, who is most definitely no slouch. I'm leaning more toward Oro than Gil, but I really think we have two solids in Lhun and Holby. I'm willing to go with Saur if you're really strong on him/her (?).

I seem to be the only one to pick up on Saurreg. If more people are confident of Holby, I'll switch to her. But that one post of Saurreg's - claiming she thought Eomer was a Shirriff which is why she voted for him - confused me. Freudian Slip, I think. Check it out, I'll post the link in an edit now.

I have the Seers as Firefoot and morm. I think morm will die tonight
Yes, Saurreg, I knew about you all along! Mwahaha!

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

I thought Gil was innocent, because our moddess said that all NIGHT duties were performed flawlessly.

I thought morm was a wolf, luring out the "Hunter" like that.

I was sure Oro was gifted. I thought she was the real Hunter.

I thought Saurreg was the original seer. I knew Firefoot was the Mytho-Seer.

Good thing I did not post this. I might have cause enough of a ruckus to get me lynched.

Wait, that's a good thing . . .

[Lhunardawen]

Don't you think we should have switched roles, Nilp? Turns out my Lhunacy drove (almost) everyone to suspect me! :D

[Lhunardawen]

When the day is over, this wretched beast will perish for its twisted nature and be no more. But before that sorrowful moment comes to pass my dear friends (and could have been delicious suppers), I Saurreg must speak once more. Firstly to add to my previous request, I bruise easily so don't use a rope that's too rough and secondly, I know you've all admired and dare I say envied over this perfect, smooth and tight alabaster skin (don't hate me cuz I'm gifted this way). Pray not pierce this body with cruel spikes and forks because you all don't want to destroy something so beautiful, no?

Lastly and on a more serious note I must speak of Eomer of the Rohirrim and confess to the great disservice I have rendered to him.

Eomer, sweet Eomer. I have committed great wrong against thee by exploiting thy courteous and noble heart, and twisting that pure soul with cruel hands. What thou started with innocent humour and mirth, I return with calculated cunningness and dark malice to shape my ends. And in doing so I caused thee an unfair burden of guilt and shame that should have been mine to bear.

It tore into me when I read thy vote and at that moment all glee and pride evaporated and I became remorseful myself.

Now I wonder what would happen when I cross yonder dark river and come face to face with Eomer of the Rohirrim again. Will he find it in that noble heart of his to forgive my cruel manipulations and let us embrace? Or will that handsome face turn dark and terrible, turn away and never look at me again? I shudder to think of the possibilities, especially when they are of my own making.

There I am done. Do what you must.

How can this lycan continue such a sickening masquerade for long when pangs of guilt pierces its dark heart?
Now that I found out that Saurreg is indeed a male, I find this post :D :D :D

[Holbytlass]

Saurreg kept our P.M.'s and will post them shortly. He's been busy and has that crazy time zone thing going on.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Nilp: When I said that NIGHT activities were performed flawlessly, it was for a few reasons, the most important being that I needed to convey that we now had two Seers. As for taking that to mean I'd heard from Gil, usually the wolves choose a spokes-wolf. I didn't personally hear from Gil until he resigned. But since I got PMs from Saurreg at first, then Holby, I didn't think a thing of it.

Oh, and now do you understand why I responded to your role guesses via a :D? I'll admit freely though, of all the roles I've been (villager, Hunter, Wolf, Mod), wolf is by far the most fun. You make plans on how to mess with people and snicker for ages when you watch people defend you.

[mormegil]

Agreed being a wolf is fun. Although don't underestimate being a non-gifted villager. It's incredibly fun to know nothing and try and guess and figure things out. Also being a seer was pretty good. I was the seer the first game ever. It was very stressful but I think I would do much better if I did it again one day.

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Oh, and now do you understand why I responded to your role guesses via a :D? (Fea)
Yes. I was :Ding myself when the whole thing went . . . that way.

"Hey, I actually got some of my guesses spot on!" Then :D.

Actually, one and a half of you guesses were correct?

What?

You got the Mytho correct, and Oro's giftedness, too. But you got her role wrong.

Oh, yeah. Thanks, Alice.

[the guy who be short]

I found Modding was most fun... I crave omnipotence. Or is it omnipresence? I'll settle for both.

Seriously, describing werewolf killings and public lynches is wonderfully fun!

By the way, on Day 3 I only got two PMs from LMP, and I think I lost them...

Ah well. He was saying what to do if the Seers were wolves pretending to be Seers. It was all horribly theoretical and complicated looking, so I decided to ignore him and hope the Seers were honest. :p

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

I agree about the Modding, TGWBS, sort of...

It's a mad blast narrating (I'm sure you could tell I was having fun writing, especially when it got to the A1 steak sauce part of Holby-kabobs), but that was countered by me unexpectedly getting a life for the one weekend I'd resigned to having nothing to do but mod. :D It all worked out though.

I still think Wolf was more fun because with Mod, you can't step in and tweak things. With wolf, you can mold the village to fit your whims. Unless they have two Seers and have dreamt of everyone. :rolleyes: In that case, I wanted to suggest a really daring bluff saying that the Seers (or at least one) was really a bluffing wolf and that you knew this to be a fact because you were the true Seer. You'd wanted to stay hidden for safety's sake, but you couldn't watch a wolf trick the village when you KNEW they were lying.

This would turn it into a my word versus your word thing, which would be hilarious to watch, interesting for the wolves, interesting for the seers, and simply insane for the village. Can you only imagine?

But as a mod, I couldn't step in and do anything that could affect the game, so my audacious bluff stayed quiet. I note though that the Sherriffs thought of something similar happening. Props to them.

Anyhow... Can't wait to see Fire-non-Footie's deaths.

[littlemanpoet]

By the way, on Day 3 I only got two PMs from LMP, and I think I lost them...

Ah well. He was saying what to do if the Seers were wolves pretending to be Seers. It was all horribly theoretical and complicated looking, so I decided to ignore him and hope the Seers were honest. :p

LOLOL! :D I still have that saved on my crashed computer, for what it's worth. :p

I'll just sum up: it would have been as stupid for the werewolves to say "Hey, WE'RE the two seers, not them!" as it would have been for them to do the same regarding the shirriffs.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

*cough*

And it wasn't stupid to say "Fea's a wolf, you should lynch her" on the first day/first page of a brand new game where not only was I saying it, but I actually was a wolf?

People consistently underestimate the power of audacity. Also the the ingenuity of fools. Seeing as how it's forbidden to show absolute proof of role (such as PMs), it truly would turn into he said/she said. After that, it's just a matter of who you trust more.

If one of the wolves had claimed Seership early on, when Oro was still suspect, it could have worked out quite nicely for them.