WWJ I: A New Saga, A New Beginning... Or Is IT!?!?!?

[Glirdan]

Welcome all to the first Werewolf Junior game!!!

A village comprised of 13 villagers.

3 Wolves
1 Seer
1 Hunter
1 Ranger
1 Cobbler
6 Ordinary Villagers

Wolves: PM each other each Night to disscuss stratagies and choose who to attack that Night. Once decided who they're attacking, they PM the mod (me) to say who it is. During the Day, they walk around and act like ordinary villagers and try to get the Villagers to lynch an innocent

Seer: Chooses one person to dream about each Night and that person's role will be revealed to the Seer. The Cobbler will be "seen" as an Ordinary Villager.

Hunter: Chooses one person to kill at the same time if they get killed during the Night by the Wolves.

Ranger: Chooses one person to protect each Night from the Wolves. If the Wolves choose the person that the Ranger is protecting, that person does not get killed. The Ranger cannot choose to protect themsleves or the same person two nights in a row.

Cobbler: Seen as a normal villager. The only thing is that the Cobbler WANTS the Wolves to win. The Cobbler will even go as far as letting themsleves get lynched.

Wining
Villagers win once all the Wolves have been lynched.
Wolevs win once the number of Villagers is equal to that of their own that are still alive. They can then openly show who they are.

Rules
- Nonretractable votes. Once you vote, there's no taking it back.
- There will be no double lynching. If a tie occurs, the first perosn who got voted for will be lynched
- If you don't post at least once within a two Day time period, you will be lynched
- Once you're dead, stay dead. No talking about the game in other threads or in PM's.
- Don't post on the "Tol-in-Gaurhoth Junior" thread unless it's to explain that you'll be absent or to explain an absence.
- Days and Nights will last 24 hours.

Players (alphabetically)

Bergil - Busker
Eonwe - shady black market type guy who has "secret" deals with Dwarves
Feanor of the Peredhil - Village Insomniac
Folwren - wants to be known as Jack, Blacksmith/Farrier, horse named Blakeney
Gurthang - Musician
Hiriel - Deaf Librarian
Kitanna - Village Hermit
Malkatoj - Drunk Fencer
Rune Son of Bjarne - Bailiff
Sleepy Ranger - Innkeeper
The Only Real Estel - Peach Cobbler maker
Thinlómien - Healer
WaynetheGoblin - Babysitter

Wolves may start PM'img each other to disscuss stratagies. I need a name form the Seer only. Expect my death later tonight.

[Glirdan]

Once upon a time, in a little village called Fwedawick, 14 villagers left the busy life of Gondor and decided to start a little village of their own. But one Night, everything went horribly wrong....

Everyone woke up one morning and went about life as usual.

Malkatoj was trying to get past Rune Son of Bjarne, the Bailiff of the bar in Sleepy Ranger's Inn.

Thinlomien was trying to heal Feanor of the Peredhil's insomniac.

Bergil was doing his normal busker duties with Gurthang playing backup while Kitanna walked past for her usual grocery shopping routine.

Jack (aka Folwren) was busy making horse shoes for his horse Blakeney.

WaynetheGoblin was trying to speak to Hiriel, the Deaf librarian while looking after TORE's pet peach's while he was away at the Peach Cobbler factory.

Then they noticed that Glirdan, the town poet, was missing. So the all walked over to his house and knocked on the door. No one answered. "That's strange" one villager said. "He always answer's the door." They entered the house and looked around. Nobody was there. They walked into the bedroom and a horrible sight met them. Glirdan was lying on the floor in a pool of blood, with a quill sticking out of his head. There were three different size of footprints all around the room. Beside him was his poetry book. One villager picked it up and opened it to the first page. The villager screamed. "What is it?" the others asked.
"It's a message, written in Glirdan's blood!!!!" the villager gasped.
" What does it say?" one villager asked.
" It says: We got you poet
and you didn't even know it!!
Make sure you like the last pie,
becaue your all going to die!!
Singed, the Wolves!!!"

"Well you know, that just means the Wolves are idiots. Who would sign something?"
" It doesn't say Wolves you idiot!!" TORE said as he stepped into the house. "It has a Wolves pawprint. And by the looks of things, we're dealing with more than one Wolf. I suggest we leave here. Someone bury his body. Jack, hope you're good at making wepons. I have a feeling we're going to need them." With that, the villagers dispersed, thinking deeply about what TORE said....

Deceased
Glirdan (ordinary villager) - got a quill throught the head on Night 1

Remaing Villagers
Bergil
Eonwe
Feanor of the Peredhil
Jack (aka Folwren)
Gurthang
Hiriel
Kitanna
Malkatoj
Rune Son of Bjarne
Sleepy Ranger
The Only Real Estel
Thinlomien
WaynetheGoblin

*It's now Day 1. Wolves, stop PMing. Villagers do what you need to do to find those Wolves.

PS. Sorry this is a little late, I was gone out and I just got back awhile ago.

[Bergil]

poor glirdan...last thing he ever heard from me was yelling because he didn't hear me...don't know anything sad to play except "house of the rising sun"...when we find these werewolves (normal wolves can't write) I'll make them PAY

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

What a tradegy! Glirdan the greatest poet this town ever saw, no more shall you're words fill us with joy or sorrow!

This cannot be borne!

these wolf's must be slayn at once, we must find them out and lynche them!

I'll guess we will be in great need of your skills, if we are to defeat these creatures, Jack.

[The Only Real Estel]

Hmmm, the poet dead, eh? And not much to go on either. Can't imagine why the wolves would've picked that poor soul-all he ever did was try to make an honest living with the few skills he had. No offense to the dead, of course. Well, I'm off for a bit but I'll be returning to check up on things hopefully at least once this DAY.

[Hiriel]

Eh? What? The Poet's Bed? Is he having sleeping problems? Maybe something wrong with the matress?

Oh, dear, he's dead. That is greivous indeed. I remember how much he used to hide out in the library, asking me for Poe, not Plath, and then I'd tell him not to chew gum indoors. He was sweet that way. Why would those dreadful wolves want to kill him? Maybe there's a mystery novel like this...I'll check back later in the DAY.

[Sleepy Ranger]

'Tis sad, 'tis sad indeed. He did not deserve such a fate but I dare say one of his poems annoyed them into killing him. We should find them as soon as possible else one of us die. That would not be pretty indeed.

For now I must return to my Inn but I shall be back later in the DAY.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Jack (aka Folwren): is known as Jack because he is Jack the Ripper. Which means he's bad. Which means he's a wolf.

Sleepy Ranger: is obviously the Ranger and should be treated with the utmost respect.

The Only Real Estel: may be the Ranger... seeing as how he is the Real Estel, who was a Ranger.

Bergil: sounds like Virgil, who was a poet, which rhymes with know it, so he's the Seer.

Eonwe: if you switch the letters around, it says Ee Won. Which is kind of like We Won. Which is very much like saying that Eonwe is confident in success, which means Eonwe is obviously a wolf that has a plan.

Gurthang: rhymes with Fang, which wolves have. Point proven.

Hiriel: Starts with an H. Hunter also starts with an H. Coincidence? I think not.

Kitanna: A long slender sword. That cuts things. Like a wolf's fangs. And claws.

Malkatoj: is Jotaklam backwards. What this tells us is that... well, we can't be certain, and it's confusing. Which brings to mind the Cobbler.

Rune Son of Bjarne: Runes are acedemic, which shows us that Rune is a scholar, which shows us that Rune has had some education, which obviously proves that he was once a newt. He did get better, but the newt-like tendencies remain. Which make me think he's innocent.

Thinlomien: Sounds vaguely like some sort of Chinese food. I like to eat Chinese food, and I'm almost certain that wolves wouldn't be adverse to consuming Chicken Chow Mein, which tells us that Thinlo is innocent, and likely to be eaten with a chopstick.

WaynetheGoblin: The Goblin? Come on... like that's not evil sounding.
Feanor of the Peredhil: pure and innocent as the wind driven snow.

Love you all, darlings, and hope this is food for thought.

[WaynetheGoblin]

How horrible :( Glirden always read poetry to calm down what ever I was baby sitting. Also your hilarious fea.

[malkatoj]

Well, I sure did sleep in today. I guess that comes from staying at the inn with Sleepy Ranger , enjoying a few* drinks. Glirdan's dead, you say? That's not too great...I loved his poetry, at least when I was sober.

Who would kill Glirdan? My only suspicion as of now lies on Feanor of the Peredhil because of her 'objective' analysis of each person's status. Though highly amusing, she pegged 5 people as wolves right off the bat. She also claimed innocence herself, giving no reason at all.

Notwithstanding, we don't really have enough evidence of anybody else to voice strong suspicions yet; this is always difficult the day of the mod's death.

For now, Jack, I'll need one of your best swords, and please try to balance it for someone with five fingers this time, okay? Six was exciting, but after a while it starts to affect your ability and I'll need all my power here.




*25 or so

[Eonwe]

hello my friends. poor glirdan.

well i have a few suggestions for this village. first off, lets all get out there and start talking. that is the only thing that will ever give us a bead on teh wolves. and i think isn't it a good idea for everyone to vote, that way there is a trail. i think that's how is to be done...

anyway, some more stuff. as we go on, could we all give our suspicions of peole and then back them up. so instead of just saying "i don't like how XXXXXX voted." say, "this XXXXXXX is what a wolf would accomplish by voting this way." or whatever it happens to be. the last ww game a i playing in, i couldn't follow people's arguments and could never make out the underlying reasons people thought others were suspicious.

ok that said, get out and talk. and vote.

ps. i am going out tonight at 5:15 and may not be back before 10:30, so i might have to vote early or not at all. we'll see how it goes.

[Kitanna]

Poor dead Glirdan, who knew there were beings in this town who hated poetry so much...

And the village is so quiet. Too quiet for my tastes. Looking over what has been said there is no one who stands out to me more then anyone else. You're all equally suspcious.
Though I would like to ask Eonwe a question...
i think isn't it a good idea for everyone to vote, that way there is a trail. i think that's how is to be done...
I'm wondering why you think that? In my opinion that seems as bad as everyone jumping on a bandwagon.

[Eonwe]

it was my impression that it is good to have people vote; that way you have more a chance to get a wolf, and the other wolfs will save him. and so you'll have a trail, because isn't voting analysis one of teh biggest indicators in teh game. to tell the truth, i don't know that this is a good idea, but i thought it might be. if that makes sense :)

edited: shortly after, for spelling

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

And the village is so quiet. Too quiet for my tastes.

I was thinking the ectsact same thing, only Feanor has been frank enough to speek openly of her suspisions.

What could this mean. . .

i am having trouble figuring out this mistery !

But i will shortly inform you all of whom i suspect!

[Eonwe]

well, anyone have any thoughts about this whole affair?

i only have about and hour and a half left, but i will be checking periodically though...

[WaynetheGoblin]

It is a few hours before the death and nobody has voted. My top suspect is gurthang right now. He hasent posted at all. Also thin hasent posted there are both my top suspects. I probely will vote or one of them later like five o clock.

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

My thoughts on certain people are:

TORE: Is trying to give the impresion that he has no clue what so ever why the wolves chose a man who was just trying to make a honest living. (wolves don't care what you do) I think this might be an atempt to make him look inocent.

Gurthang: Has not been around latly!People who do this with out a good reason, i do not trust!

Thinlomien: same

Jack: same

WaynetheGoblin: "What ever i was babysiting" This sugests that he has been babysitting some sort of Creature at night.

Eonwe: Well Eonwe's look on this killing is that it is some sort of game !

[malkatoj]

As promised, i have returned with more suspicions. I had to ask myself the question, who would want to kill a poet? Clearly not Gurthang or Hiriel , as both musicians and librarians enjoy such art forms.

The conclusion I came to is that the only person who would want to kill a poet would likely be a student of the poet who has recieved a poor evaluation. Students are typically young. Looking at our villagers, the youngest would most definitely be the babysitter, usually a student in middle or high school. For this reason, I cast new suspicion on WaynetheGoblin.

Again, I am going to hold off on voting until I hear his alibi. I'd like to see more substance in posts, however, as I tend to find 'empty' posts suspicious, and substance gives us a better idea of who it might be.

Until next time,

Malkatoj

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

I was thinking the ectsact same thing, only Feanor has been frank enough to speek openly of her suspisions.
Ay, well... for those of you with little experience with me, it's not frankness that allows me to speak so openly, but rather a warped sense of humor and bad grasp of logic. In plain terms... I've been labelled by the community as bonkers as conkers. In my own terms... I just don't particularly mind if you label me as wolf or not. It would possibly be in your best interest to lynch me early, but at the same time, you would be losing valuable (read: innocent and therefore uncorrupted) insight, so I don't much recommend it. Get used to seemingly random accusations. I tend to spout them on a regular basis. I've coined the term observation by agitation. I watch reactions. Now, to business.

It is our first day after the tragedy of Glirdan, may he rest in peace, and we have naught to go on until at least tonight, galling as it may be to admit. Unless, of course, we happen to have a descendant of Malbeth in the audience that has perceptively dreamt of one of our... shall we say... wooooolves?

Which, if we do, it is quite a bad idea to lynch said person. We want our Seer to stay alive long enough to be of use, no? How to avoid this? There isn't a way. I mean, any way s/he would tell us, the wolves are presumably bright enough to catch on to. So let's forget about saving the seer, since it's too tough to really worry about.

The hunter... no biggie, as also the ranger. The ranger is entirely expendable, as is only truly an asset once the Seer is known. The cobbler... we'll find out more about him/her when the time comes. Day one is a bad time for that sort of thinking.

The wolves... Shall we draw at random? Shall we judge based on post count? Most vocal is obviously a wolf hiding in the spotlight? Bad plan, because that would probably call for lynching me, and I assure you, we don't want that. My recommendation is to kill TOREstel.

[Eonwe]

um lets see...

fea you are correct, i think, in that Day 1 will always be slow. everyone is interested in comenting on the death, paying respects to a fallen mod, etc. and there is no real evidence (like there ever is real evidence). so yes, i too think random voting will have to do.

wayne, jack hasn't posted either. does that mean you suspect him (this is creaping me out)?

i have no idea who will get mine.

ps i think i said earlier i would be gone and not back by 10:30. that was false. im hopeing to be back by 9:30 ten max. so we'll see.

[malkatoj]

Feanor , you suggest that we kill TORE but you don't explain your reasons. Might I inquire as to why you make such a suggestion?

[Bergil]

And the village is so quiet. Too quiet for my tastes.
you mean I should play something loud?
Malkatoj is sticking his neck out a little, but the person who's really making noise is Feanor Of The Peredhil. I'm not saying either of them is guilty, but what's a jotaklam, some sort of seafood? I'll be watching both of them (I'll be watching everyone, but them mor e then others), especially Fea

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Feanor , you suggest that we kill TORE but you don't explain your reasons. Might I inquire as to why you make such a suggestion?
Get used to seemingly random accusations. I tend to spout them on a regular basis. I've coined the term observation by agitation. I watch reactions.
Your reaction is calm and inquisitive, a sign I'm fond of.

I'll be watching both of them (I'll be watching everyone, but them more then others), especially Fea
Attaboy. Your reaction is suspicious and paranoid. Another sign I'm fond of, but for different reasons.

Logic is wonderful. We all need a bit here and there... common sense, if you will. Collected thoughts tend to organize our information, while the more compulsive of us (cough me and others cough) lead the charge. You've both given neat reactions, and I'll keep an eye on you both because of it. But ne'er fear, if you've nothing to hide. Martyrdom is an admirable thing.

[Folwren]

*Jack walks in - tired, stiff, and very sore*

Oi, heavens folks, I'm sorry. Totally forgot we had to lynch someone today. Took Blakeney out immediately after seeing Glirdan. Sight shakes me up so awfully, had to clear my head. Then Blakeney decides to act up...blasted horse - would buck, wouldn't he?

How soon do votes have to be cast? I'm a bit muddled, and my bodies as stiff as a poker from the fall, and a sore as...I don't know.

*glanced over the few orders*
Weapons, mainly, huh? I can try. Sorry about that last sword, malkatoj. You sure it was made for six fingers? You know, you might have some man use it someday and then he'll need a bigger handle than you do, because his hand is bigger...

No suspects. Feanor of the Peredhil would be the only one I would be inclined to suspect, but for some reason, I don't suspect her. Even if she did point a finger at me.

For some reason, though, I also got a strange feeling from Sleepy Ranger's first post that inclined me towards thinking he was guilty. There is no evidence that I state, however, so don't ask why.

Till later.

--Jack

[malkatoj]

Okay, Fea . Missed that part.

[WaynetheGoblin]

I said i would and now I will vote for ++Gurthang.

[Bergil]

(and you're too late you can't love a bad day. I played my part, I played your game...)
Fea accuses me, I'm worried, scared, it must be me. BUT, further up the same post, she accuses Malkatoj for being calm and unworried. she seems to be trying to throw suspicion off herself onto anyone untill the tally of 3 wolves is full in our minds. I now truly beleive she is not on our side and, if no better evidence comes along, I may vote for her

[Kitanna]

I said i would and now I will vote for ++Gurthang.
Are you voting for him simply because he has not posted anything? If so, why Gurthang? Why not Thinlómien? You mentioned Thin, but why Gurthang? He still has time to make an appearance.

[Folwren]

Don't panic, Bergil. Lot's of people will be accused, and possibly even voted for today, but only one can be lynched. You'll (probably) have time to prove yourself to people somehow - or in attempting to prove yourself, dig a hole and jump in it. (i.e. prove yourself guilty of wolvery rather than prove your innocence.)

--Jack

[Folwren]

Cross posted with Kitanna. Therefore, I'm double posting. Sorry.

Originally posted by Kitanna:
Are you voting for him simply because he has not posted anything? If so, why Gurthang? Why not Thinlómien? You mentioned Thin, but why Gurthang? He still has time to make an appearance.

My dear chap, he had to vote for someone. Gurthang and Thin happened to be his two suspects. Would you have jumped on him if he had voted Thin? Why protect Gurthang so fervently? And as for 'he still has time to make an appearance', it's my impression that Wayne doesn't have time to get on and vote again, otherwise he wouldn't be voting this soon, and he might wait for Gurthang to make his appearance.

I wonder if it would be worth while to get Gurthang lynched today, if ony to see if this sudden and suspcicious defence of him from Kitanna means anything....Because, I've a feeling, if he's a wolf, Kitanna is, too.

On second thought, I think that'd probably be a bad idea because he hasn't said anything. His reasons are probably just as innocent as mine. It's likely not because he's trying to avoid us and suspcion.

But, Kitanna, really. That attack on Wayne was highly unnecessary.

-- Jack

[Kitanna]

Would you have jumped on him if he had voted Thin?
Yes, infact I would.
I am not accusing Wayne, I like to know why votes are cast as they are. I'm sure you do too.

And excuse me if I think it is a bad idea for the village to vote for someone who hasn't spoken. If they die, then we just start back at square one tomorrow.

[malkatoj]

Unfortunately, it has come time that I head to the inn for a drink (read: get at least some of the weekend's homework done) and I will be unable to post again tonight.

I have already explained my (fairly random) suspicion of WaynetheGoblin. In the same post, I asked him (clearly, I thought) for an alibi. In not responding with one, he has increased my suspicion. I hereby cast my vote for

++WaynetheGoblin .


~Malkatoj

[Hiriel]

"If they die, then we just start back at square one tomorrow.

I agree completely, we have go on suspecions by what people have posted, not what they haven't.

And Feanor has certanly been the loudest among us. Something I don't think a wolf would want to be, a drawer of attention. My inclination is to think that Feanor's the cobbler here. But it could be a bluff, I dunno.

My dear chap, he had to vote for someone. Gurthang and Thin happened to be his two suspects. Would you have jumped on him if he had voted Thin? Why protect Gurthang so fervently? And as for 'he still has time to make an appearance', it's my impression that Wayne doesn't have time to get on and vote again, otherwise he wouldn't be voting this soon, and he might wait for Gurthang to make his appearance.

No one seems to remember that I hadn't posted any suspesions until now, and I seemed to have escaped people's hit lists. Any road, fighting over Gurthang strikes me a bit odd, on both sides. Kit, you certainly have a right to stick up for someone you clearly think is and ordo, and Folwren, certainly has a right to defend Wayne's choice, but it seems very unnessisary all the same. Wayne's made his choice, and if it seems rash or curious to some people, well, that might be a reason to suspect Wayne. As for Gurthang, I'm willing to put off his silence so far as real life interference (had that today myself) and not some nefarious plot to stay under the rader so he can kill one of us tonight. I'll wait until he's posted something.

Nothing is certain here. What we all need to do is consider what people have said and vote on something particular that strikes us as odd or telling. I'll be watching the thread, and post my vote in about an hour or so.

[Bergil]

aye, I may have been over-reacting to Fea's unusual statement, but on day 1 you have to over-react a little and I still don't see ayone more convincing and, unless somtehing surprising happens, she has my vote. and Malkatoj, dont think I forgot you just yet.

[WaynetheGoblin]

I voted for gurthang today so that if he gets killed I will vote for thin the next day.

[Folwren]

Originally posted by Hiriel:
No one seems to remember that I hadn't posted any suspesions until now, and I seemed to have escaped people's hit lists. Any road, fighting over Gurthang strikes me a bit odd, on both sides. Kit, you certainly have a right to stick up for someone you clearly think is and ordo, and Folwren, certainly has a right to defend Wayne's choice, but it seems very unnessisary all the same. Wayne's made his choice, and if it seems rash or curious to some people, well, that might be a reason to suspect Wayne. As for Gurthang, I'm willing to put off his silence so far as real life interference (had that today myself) and not some nefarious plot to stay under the rader so he can kill one of us tonight. I'll wait until he's posted something.

Actually, I had not talked at all for a long time, either, but I, too, missed Wayne's list.

And as for both sides of this argument being totally unnecessary...pretty much any talk or arguing this first day is. No one is really going to be able to get anywhere.

But, I, too, think it's a bad idea to kill a silent person. I wasn't defending Wayne's vote, I was simply stating some thoughts on Kitanna's accusations and questioning of it. I think it was probably less logical for Kitanna to leap on Wayne for voting that way than it was for Wayne to even vote for him. You must understand, dumb as it is to kill a silent one, we others who aren't going to vote for him, don't have much better reasons...

Still no suspicions set in stone. No vote yet.

-- Jack

[Bergil]

the pro/anti Gurthang arguments look inconclusive. no-one has made himself suspicious, in my mind. I'm not going to tell you what to do, ecxept that you should cut Gurthang some slack. I've been in that position,I know what it's like

[Hiriel]

When does voting end, ya'll? Aren't we cutting this a little close? I'm not going to be able to get on tonight, so, unfortunately I have to vote now, without any real suspisions.

I voted for gurthang today so that if he gets killed I will vote for thin the next day.

But, Wayne, there's no reason given behind either of those choices. Little hasty, no? I'm afraid, because it's not productive to have people just accuse others at random, with no thought process going into it, even on day 1, I think it's too costly to have Wayne around.

++Wayne the Goblin.

[Bergil]

I will be leaving now, and I've made up my mind a long time ago

++Feanor Of The Peredhil

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

I know I'm innocent, but I also know that I'm expendable. I also know that I have a five page paper to write before Tuesday, and half of a Shakespearean play to read before tomorrow. Which means that I have to vote now. And since I'd rather accidentally be lynched than accidentally lynch the seer, I won't act on my random and factless suspicions...

++FEANOR OF THE PEREDHIL.

[Kitanna]

Mmmmm, five votes cast, two for Wayne, one for Gurthang, and two for Fea.

Wayne- Despite what Jack seems to think I do not want to vote for Wayne. I was just curious why it was Gurthang and not Thin. Of course I find his voting unusual, but everyone's going to look unusual today. I am pretty positive I will not be voting for Wayne.

Gurthang- I have a thing against voting for people who haven't spoken on day one. Of course if a day or two goes by I would be willingly to put in a vote for Gurthang or Thin, but not today.

Fea- Fea has voted for herself...mmmm interesting, but then again not so. Fea is good at a double bluff, but then again papers on Shakespeare do tend to take up mass amounts of people's time. Maybe she does need to get out. But Fea can be helpful and should live past the first day (even if Shakespeare is trying to draw her out.)

So those are so far the ones who have been voted for. The only people I truly suspect are those who have voted already, but I don't want to act on that. The reasons I have are shallow and pointless. So I'll think things over and put in a vote soon.

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

I know I'm innocent, but I also know that I'm expendable. I also know that I have a five page paper to write before Tuesday, and half of a Shakespearean play to read before tomorrow. Which means that I have to vote now. And since I'd rather accidentally be lynched than accidentally lynch the seer, I won't act on my random and factless suspicions...

++FEANOR OF THE PEREDHIL.

now thats just silly! ! !

If this is the way you are going to vote everytime, we will never get anywere. If you are, as you claim inocent then you are not expendable. Why oh why would you insist on doing the wolves job for them?

I hope this atitude changes before long. I for one does not think that you are an wolf (although you have been giving some quite interesting comments during this first day) and therefore would hate to se you go.

I will hold on to my vote for a little bit.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

I did not say that I wanted to die, or that I want to do the wolves' jobs for them.

My idea is that we do not know what we are doing on day one, except for the wolves. They have a plan. Since I do not know what that plan is, nor have any clues to use to piece it together, I am not worrying about it until tomorrow. The seer is obviously not going to show his/herself (PS: for the love of Glirdan, don't do it until at least a few days from now!), so I feel no particular confidence in my ability right now to guess who it is and avoid accidentally killing him or her.

Since, as I said, I don't want to accidentally kill the Seer, I'm going to do what is still bad, but what is marginally less so, and vote for myself, rather than cast suspicion onto somebody else whose death would harm us so much more.

Also, guilty as this may sound, it means that if you guys screw up, it's not my fault. :D

[Eonwe]

um feanor, don't you think there is some better alternative than suicide. i mean, if nothing else works, you could at least drown your problems in alcoholic beverages. no need to go overboard. cumon, come down off the railing. you really don't want to do this. :)

that is a little weird, unless she just wants out cause she's two busy. anyway, we'll have to see what becomes of our dear girl's antics... (cross post with some people: rune makes a good point fea)

unless i miscounted, votes stand as:

Wayne: 2
Feanor: 2
Gurthang:1

my innicial reacitons are not to suspect anyone. i can't see any clearcut evidence on the field anywere pointing in any direction. we will prolly, actually almost certainly (this is our worst day, statistically-wise 3 in waht 15 makes one in five, or something), so don't jump all over people. all anyone has is a stab in the dark, and the worst chance we will have all game. so i think that has been voiced by some peole already, just wanted to add my two cents/stamp of aproval :)

i, like many, seemingly, do not really have any suspicions at the time. feanor is the only one i can see any dirt on. but under no circumstances will i vote for her becuase she has supplied a real life reason and i am willing to let it go at that; for now at least so yeah those are my thoughts for now, ill prolly write up a more revalent post later on tonight/ this Evening

[Sleepy Ranger]

Well I'm back and the situation has changed a lot. I've gone through all thats been done and said and have formed my own suspicions as to who is what. I won't vote yet because I'm not certain but if needed I shall vote to keep Feanor from killing herself. I just feel that shouldn't be done. Wayne may be one of them but in my eyes there isn't enough reason to openly balme anybody yet.

[Folwren]

I advise people not to vote for Feanor. She's likely an innocent, with this sudden leap into things. We don't have people to spare.

[Gurthang]

Wow, I really missed a lot.

I'm sorry I'm so late. I've been holed up at my house trying to write my new song. (aka on the road all day.) I've just been working so hard that I just came out and couldn't find anyone, until I showed up here and found out what happened. This is terrible.

Maybe I should play something in Glirdan's honor: *walks over to piano and plays a few lines* Well, I know that wasn't near enough, but it looks like we have work to do. I haven't had a chance to read through everything, so I'll do that then cast my vote before the end of the day.

I only hope that my absence hasn't gotten me into trouble. :confused:

[Eonwe]

ok well then. five of thirteen have voted. we have some time left before 10:30 so lets not rush into lynching anyone. ( :rolleyes: ) ;)

i have no idea how to vote. like folwren said, i would councel against voting fea, and wayne for that matter. i don't think them innocent. but we have to vote and lynch someone... erggh. and gurthang doesn't really stick out in my mind one way or the other.

[Folwren]

Folks...I don't want to vote tonight. I really don't. Therefore, I will not. I do not think that Gurthang, Wayne, or Feanor are guilty. I will not vote for any one of them, therefore. I can not prove that anyone else is guilty. I have no real arguments against anyone, therefore I will not even pretend that I think someone is possible a wolf. (Besides saying that Sleepy Ranger for some reason gets my doubts. Still, there is nothing behind that, so I won't try to support it.)

Don't lynch Feanor.

(Oh, by the way, Fea, considering that you have to get everything done by Tuesday, and also considering that tomorrow, being Monday, is a NIGHT and not a DAY, and being an innocent you won't be doing anything tomorrow, I don't think that your five page paper should induce you to commit suicide. It was really brainless, if you ask me.)

In my humble opinion, Wayne should probably be the one to go. But I'm not voting for him, because although (out of the present candidates for lynching) he would be the best choice, I can not put my hand into lynching an innocent.

Good luck, all.

-- Jack

[Folwren]

Cross posted with Eonwe, and I have only one thing to say...

My name is Jack.

-- Jack

[WaynetheGoblin]

My life as a baby sitter ends like this. I do hope my death is good :(

[Eonwe]

well we still have to hear from another seven (jack said he won't be voteing) (and my apologies, sir :) ) so lets go everyone. i think i will vote for thin. randomly.

so without further adue (whatever) is

++Thinlómien

remember random, please.

[The Only Real Estel]

Posted by Rune
I was thinking the ectsact same thing, only Feanor has been frank enough to speek openly of her suspisions.

Once you've been around Fea for any amount of time at all you soon realize that her middle name is 'frank.' And that's definitly not always a bad thing.

Posted by Fea:
My recommendation is to kill TOREstel.

Oh that'd be fun. :p

Fea seems to be the focus of a lot of today's discussion. Personally, I think she could be helpful to the villagers if she's not a wolf. She's already pointed out some good reminders including this:

The seer is obviously not going to show his/herself (PS: for the love of Glirdan, don't do it until at least a few days from now!),

I definitly second that, it can't be stressed enough. It doesn't matter if you have already dreamed of a wolf, don't show yourself for at least a few days. Hints would be nice, but if it comes down to hinting unsubtly or not hinting at all-don't hint at all.
I may look like a wolf trying to keep the seer from dropping hints before I can kill him/her but oh well.

I'd like to see Fea stick around for a few more DAYS at least, even if her posts would be fewer & farther between than normal.

Hmm, nine minutes to vote. I don't see anyone entirely suspicious. The way I understand the bylaws of the village that we threw together hastly, if no one breaks the tie between Wayne & Fea Wayne will be lynched because he was voted for first.

I should be posting again soon with my vote.

[Gurthang]

A few thoughts:

Fea - Everything you have done points to you being the cobbler. Your first post named five people wolves, which is impossible, and just generally made no sense and took up a lot of space. You vote for yourself I do not condone. You have a 1-in-14 chance(excluding yourself) of voting for the seer, and the odds are much less that they will get lynched since others will probably not vote for that person. Whereas you have voted for(by your own admission) a known innocent. This doesn't make any sense. You are either a wolf, or the cobbler.

Wayne - Your vote for me is not overly suspicious.... except you came on and spoke later. This shows that you could have waited a while and seen things progress before voting. That makes me think you are hiding something. But don't be so sure of your own death, yet.

Kitanna - Your staunch defending of me I kindly thank you for. But it is also somewhat suspicious. I know I am innocent, and know that right now no one knows any innocents besides themselves. So you defending me could very well be a wolf attaching themselves to an innocent. That could all be curcumstantial(sp), but I wouldn't bank on that.

Therefore I will vote:

++Kitanna

For the (probably suspicious) reasoning that she is the only one I suspect that does not have a vote. I think we should keep it close, and see if the wolves will try to save each other.

[The Only Real Estel]

++ Eonwe for completely baseless reasons. In fact, it's completely random-I don't plan on voting the same way next DAY.

[Glirdan]

Votings closed. You had to give me a double. Lucky, It'll just be Wayne tonight. Excpect his death shortly.

[Glirdan]

Everyone decided that Wayne was a wolf. They took Wayne from his baysitting job and tied a rope around his hands, but he didn't complain. "He must be a wolf. He's not saying anything to defend himself."

"He's right!! If Wayne was innocent, he'd be complaining." another stated as they led Wayne to the gallows. They put his head through the noose. "Any last words wolf?" one villager said.

"Yes, I do. The Wolves WILL win!! They'll get you all, one by one!!!" The villager who was holding the leaver fell back in shock and brought the lever back with him. The trapdoor opened and Wayne fell. His neck snapped, but there was no transformation. They killed the Cobbler, which was almost like killing their own. "Well," one villager said "looks like it's back to square one."

Dead

Glirdan (mod)- got a quill through the head on Night 1
WaynetheGoblin (Cobbler) - lynched by villagers on Day 1

Alive
Bergil
Eonwe
Feanor of the Peredhil
Jack (aka Folwren)
Gurthang
Hiriel
Kitanna
Malkatoj
Rune Son of Bjarne
Sleepy Ranger
The Only Real Estel
Thinlomien

*Villages stop posting. Wolves start PM'ing. I need a name from the Ranger, Hunter, Seer and Wolves. Send them to both myself and The Perky Ent.

[The Perky Ent]

A false sense of security loomed over Fwedawick. Inside homes, the villagers were all dreaming about magical lands of far away. All the villagers, except one. There was a creaking sound on her roof that kept her awake. Slowly and consistantly it creaked, until it reached a great uproar. The house seemed to shake at its foundation at the sound. For a second, the villager thought she was dead, but then the creaking stopped.

She didn't know wether to get out of bed, or fall back asleep. Before she could think it over in her head, the decision was made for her. Her ceiling collapsed right in front of her, and she found three snarling snouts engaging closer.

When the sun arose, the villagers woke up and gathered at the center of the town. "Head count!" Rune said, as he counted the assembled villagers. One was missing from their numbers. "Who is missing" they were all asking, while panicking in circles. Abruptly, one shouted out "Look over there!" The villager was pointing to a pillar of smoke comming out of the woods. "Quickly!" one of the villagers shouted, as they all sprinted to the smoke.

What they found did not amuse the villagers. A house had been burned to the ground that night, nothing left but its foundation. "Look!" one shouted, as he pointed to what remained to the ceiling. It was none other than Kitanna, sitting on the rafters, a bottle of ale in her hands and a smile on her face. "Get her down! I must examine her!" Thinlómien said, as the villagers climbed up to fetch her body. There were no signs of scrates of markings. It appeared that Kitanna was perfect fine, apart from her being dead. "What caused her death?" one asked, as he looked around the body for wounds. "Why this is most strange," Thinlómien said, as she opened Kitanna's inanimate mouth. "It appears that she died....of alcohol poisoning." The village didn't know wether to be in shock, or laugh. "Al....alcohol poisoning? So what, the wolves just made her drink to her death?" one said. "It would seem so. It doesn't look like she suffered" Thinlómien said, taking the half-empty bottle from Kitanna's hand.

"But...if she died of Alcohol poisoning, why is the house on fire?" one asked, touching a piece of the burnt wood. "I think they lit the remaining alcohol and burned the house down!" another suggested. "Well, one thing's for sure: She won't need the insurance money"



NOTE: The names mentioned in this post do not mean anything as to their identities, with the exception of Kitanna

Dead

Glirdan (mod)- got a quill through the head on Night 1
WaynetheGoblin (Cobbler) - lynched by villagers on Day 1
Kitanna (ordo) - Died of Alcohol poisoning on Night 2

Alive
Bergil
Eonwe
Feanor of the Peredhil
Jack (aka Folwren)
Gurthang
Hiriel
Malkatoj
Rune Son of Bjarne
Sleepy Ranger
The Only Real Estel
Thinlomien

It is now Day. Wolves, stop PMing, Villagers, start lynching!

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Kitanna?!? I guessed TOREstel would snuff it tonight. That death doesn't even make sense. I'm almost certain that nobody even accused her yesterday, though I'm in too much of a hurry trying to finish my paper to double check (three out of five pages and going strong!). Expect more solid thoughts in the morning (after 8:45 EST, as that's when my first class ends, and, ironically enough, when this paper is due).

Edit of thoughts: Ah, Gurthang voted against her. That doubtlessly means nothing. Either a frame-up attempt, or a bluffed frame-up. So he's a wolf or not. Now doesn't that just help us.

Repeat of thoughts: more solid theories in the morning.

*the insomniac realizes that tomorrow is fifteen minutes away and feels remarkably calm about it as she returns to Telemachus*

[The Only Real Estel]

Kitanna?!? I guessed TOREstel would snuff it tonight.

Uh...I can't wait until you can post more in-depth. :confused:

I plan on posting more later as well, though I agree for now that Kitanna's death makes little sense unless she pegged a wolf in her accusations (which I don't have time to read right now).

[Gurthang]

*pulls out bittern and plays a few mournful notes*

"Alas, Kitanna is a wolvish victim;
They have our poor hermit killed.

She was found with a happy smile,
But with a vile beverage filled."

*puts bittern back in case*


Edit of thoughts: Ah, Gurthang voted against her. That doubtlessly means nothing. Either a frame-up attempt, or a bluffed frame-up. So he's a wolf or not. Now doesn't that just help us.

It is option one. It would be downright stupid for a wolf to kill the person they voted for, especially if they were the only one to vote for said person. It might be a good bluff, but it would draw far to much suspicion to be effective. For instance, I will not be surprised if I die today, simply because Kitanna's death can be directly linked to me because I voted for her.

But her death really doesn't tell us much. I really expected to find TORE or Fea (or maybe myself) dead this morning. The fact that they aren't makes me slightly suspicious of them. Which adds to my previous suspicion of Feanor. She is the only one left from my suspicions yesterday. I do not know if I will vote for her though; it just doesn't 'feel' right for some reason. We will see though.

I would believe, however, that the wolves would kill someone who did not directly have contact with them either way. This would leave absolutely no trail. So:

Voted for Kitanna:
Gurthang

Mentioned by Kitanna:
Eonwe
Wayne
Gurthang
Thinlómien
Folwren
Feanor

Mentioned Kitanna:
Feanor
Rune
Folwren
Gurthang
Hiriel

(I think that's everyone. Please tell me if I missed someone.)

Those not on any of the above lists:

Bergil
Malkatoj
Sleepy Ranger
TOREstel

And on that sketchy evidence I am suspicious of them. But only slightly. I'm watching you. :p

Also, I don't like people who don't vote. You know who you are. :mad:

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

Kitanna is dead !

I did not expect that to happen, i will need some time to think things over.

Also, I don't like people who don't vote. You know who you are. :mad:

I did not vote yesterday, this was not intendet. I simply went in side to think things over, and when i came and cast my vote, i was one minute to late. (I thought there was an hour left)

It did not mater though as i would have votet for WaynetheGoblin.

[Thinlómien]

(Sorry I didn't post anything on Sunday - I didn't visit the downs, so I didn't know the game had begun.)

Poor Kitanna! I've no idea who could have killed her.

I'm really suspicious about Fea. I don't actually suspect that she's a werewolf, but what she is, that is a complete mystery. If she were a werewolf, she probably wouldn't act as she does. She seems to be the cobbler since she "defends" the werewolves by voting herself. But, if she really were the cobbler, she wouldn't reveal it this early. So, probably she's just a veteran trying to trick and tease us novices... :D

[Sleepy Ranger]

Alas! Poor Kitanna! It seems we are slowly falling apart. At the moment we're just randomly accusing each other which will most proably lead to our deaths. I'd suggest slowing down and thinking for a moment. At the moment I believe that Feanor is a wolf. I mean it seemed to be a well orchestrated plan to make her look innocent but there were too many loose ends. Hmmm... I really doubt that TORE is anything but an innocent bystander, people just don't like him because he argues too much. The reason why I did not vote was because I did not want to harm an innocent, this time how ever you can expect me to cast my vote in the matter.

[malkatoj]

This really leaves us back at square one. Thanks for the list, Gurthang. I think it'll help. As of now, I'd like to see more posts before I can form any strong suspicions.

Thin, she's not the Cobbler--that was Wayne and we lynched him yesterday.

I have my suspicions relating to Fea, but not really about her. More when I see people's reactions.

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

I think that as long Fea is alive she will be one of the most debated persons, due to her forwardness.

I dont know if this behavior shows us that she is a wolf. If she is it sertanly worked yesterday since i among others were ready to stop her from killing her self.

Maybe she's bluffing, maybe it's a dubbel bluff.

Let us wait and see her reply before we use her as a scapegoat, just becourse she has a different aproch to this wolf thing.

[The Only Real Estel]

Posted by Gurthang:

I really expected to find TORE or Fea (or maybe myself) dead this morning.

I would believe, however, that the wolves would kill someone who did not directly have contact with them either way. This would leave absolutely no trail.

That could be, but don't you expect the wolves priority #1 to be finding the seer early? You seem to have the idea that they are going to try to eliminate all the 'veterans' first (which they might), but that won't do them much good if all or most of the gifteds still have to be dealt with afterwards.

Posted by Sleepy Ranger:
It seems we are slowly falling apart. At the moment we're just randomly accusing each other which will most proably lead to our deaths. I'd suggest slowing down and thinking for a moment.

A good observation. Stop & look around. I'm 90% sure that I've identified who the seer is & I plan on following his/her lead subtley.

Posted by Sleepy Ranger:
people just don't like him [TORE] because he argues too much

I am what is generally known as 'a loudmouth.' But then so is Fea, & Gurthang may qualify as one as well.

A few thoughts, & I'm probably going out on a limb by somewhat supporting a few people here...hopefully none of them turn out to be wolves:

Bergil- Not sure yet

Eonwe- Voted for at random, not sure by any means yet

Feanor of the Peredhil- The villager that I can't get out of my head ( no, not because of that ;) ). My thought on her have ranged from suspicious to almost likely innocent. At the moment I think she's an innocent just being her normal confrontary self-but I'd like to see her explain a few things.

Jack (aka Folwren)- Not sure

Gurthang- Likely innocent, not likely to be gifted, but it is rather early

Hiriel- Not sure

Kitanna- Obviously dead. I'm going to assume that she pegged a wolf in one of her accusations or was at the very least getting to close. Unfortunately, she "mentioned" (as Gurthang put it) quite a few people.

Malkatoj- Not sure

Rune Son of Bjarne- Suspected me early, but I think he's innocent. That could change, however. I like the fact that he refuses to jump on Fea for being herself. I'm now not likely change my opinion of him being innocent unless there's some substantial evidence.

Sleepy Ranger- Talks some sense.

The Only Real Estel- I don't usually worry myself too much

Thinlomien- Not sure

As you can see, I haven't had a lot of time to analize the situation, but hopefully I'll be able to do some more later.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Uh...I can't wait until you can post more in-depth.
Right. Now that I've successfully finished writing a paper about the Odyssey that deals in depth with Goldilocks and porridge...

My reason for thinking TOREstel might get it were that he was the one that I "attacked" yesterday, advocating (jokingly as it were) for his death. Being as that jokes and sincerity are so often played between, I jumped to guess that the wolves may consider a frame up of me (forgive my arrogance, if you will) and that would be quite an excellent way of doing it.

My thoughts on Kitanna's death are that it was quite probably a random choice. She did not directly accuse nor defend anybody, though she commented on many. Her death was a discreet kill that removed one of the targets, the villagers, without arousing any directed suspicion. We are still as badly off as we were yesterday.

Now on to your accusations... I really feel that I must address them, as pure ignorance of them is not an option.

I agree with you that I am vocal. How could I not? I agree with you that I am frank, illogical, controversial, confusing. But you really shouldn't kill me. That would, I fear, be a really bad idea. I'm too useful, you see. I have experience with these matters. When it is mentioned that I could be using my wiles to mess with poor young inexperienced ones... perhaps you are right. But 'tis that not what makes life interesting? Should you desire it, I'll stop being so coy.

In any case, my ploy yesterday went well-answered by the wolves. I had expected a bandwagon approach, really. "She voted for herself... it must be a ruse! We all ought to kill her just to make sure." And can you honestly tell me that sort of line would not have worked? It would have been a forgivable offense from anybody... And yet the wolves did not attack me. I have little doubt that it is because of my apparently enigmatic actions. I am, likely, what is considered a convenient distraction.

What that means is that I am strategically placed to spout off accusations and though you won't necessarily believe me (which is why I'm alive, I'm sure), you'll also probably refrain from killing me... just in case.

Here are my ideas for the day: We kill Malkatoj. Why? Good question. I haven't decided if an actual death is necessary, but certainly a play to the very brink of it! You must imagine that last part in a melodramatic sort of stage acting voice. And actually, we really don't need to choose Malkatoj. That name was chosen more or less at random. The basic bit of my idea, though I'm not sure how well you'll understand, is to accuse, bandwagon, and watch who takes sides.

Now that I've let you all know of my little plot... I'll have to come up with a new one. It never quite does to let the wolves know what you're thinking. Way to make be honest guys.

[The Only Real Estel]

Being as that jokes and sincerity are so often played between, I jumped to guess that the wolves may consider a frame up of me (forgive my arrogance, if you will) and that would be quite an excellent way of doing it.

Fea, no offense, I think the wolves would rather leave you to make yourself suspicious. :p

And they'll probably do the same with me, I mess things up on my own far too often.

By the way, Fea, I don't suspect you at all for being yourself, I only did for a few reasons that I think I'll keep to myself. Still, as you can see up there ^ I think you are likely to be innocent...for now at least. ;)

[malkatoj]

Fea, again, I have a question about your reasoning. It's not so much that the vote is for me, but that I see no reasoning behind it. I'm assuming that it was at random, as was your accusation yesterday, but if there is a reason I'd like to see it so I can at least defend myself.

My suspicions relating to Fea are not at all that she is a wolf. I'm more suspicious of those who defend her, attaching someone who is, by her actions, clearly an innocent. She's also hard to kill, and defending her seems smart simply because she's experienced and will be an asset to our village--assuming, of course, she's an innocent.

It's time for me to go to class, but I'll be back later today with more ideas.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

[QUOTE=malkatoj]Fea, again, I have a question about your reasoning. QUOTE]

I have a large amount of trouble explaining my reasoning. The phantom once told me that I should simply give up trying to compete with his logic. I told him that I understood his logic, I just preferred my own. I assure you... my reasoning makes perfect sense to me, but it probably won't to anyone else.

I chose malka because I could. Because he's outspoken, so I was choosing slightly less than randomly, but still without a true suspicion. There is always more to go on with people who talk, whether the "facts" are true or false. I chose with no particular excuse in mind, because if I provide a focus for my suspicions, the individual focus can be easily refuted. If I provide a broader spectrum, the person must work harder to provide examples of innocence. Analyzing said examples, it's generally pretty easy to figure out what's going through their heads. Make sense? And what you've said about "those who defend"... you're exactly right. I want to know who is agreeing with whom. I want to see who puts forth the first opinion, and who bandwagons, versus who genuinely agrees.

Which is why, malkatoj, I think we should lynch you.

[Sleepy Ranger]

Hmm, I never though of that. I don't suspect Fea half as much as I used to.Malkatoj may be a wolf but I'd like to look into a bit further, after seeing what Fea had to say he has definately topped the list of suspects along with her. Once again I am left suspecting nobody too much but Fea and Malka top the list. I will wait a bit longer before I actually accuse anybody of anything but I have a few doubts about TORE. Theres always a possibility hes playing us for fools, but then again I won't accuse anyone until after a while.

And also Gurthang said he doesn't like people who don't vote... Maybe its just me but he seems to be eager for us to kill ourselves and sow the seeds of dis-trust... Yea, hes definately hiding something... but I could be wrong...

[Gurthang]

And also Gurthang said he doesn't like people who don't vote... Maybe its just me but he seems to be eager for us to kill ourselves and sow the seeds of dis-trust... Yea, hes definately hiding something... but I could be wrong...

I don't like those who don't vote because it gives us no help at all. By voting, you are giving us something to analyze about yourself: who you voted for, who with, when, with good or bad reasoning. If you happen to vote for an innocent, well, it might get you lynched, but that's a chance you have to take. If you don't vote, it really tells us nothing about you, which is bad for us if you are a wolf. If we don't make the wolves vote, there is really no way to get them to slip. They can just sit back and watch us kill each other.

Fea is still acting suspicious, but maybe that's just it: acting. If we hadn't killed him already, I'd be 100% sure she was the cobbler. :rolleyes: As it is, I really don't know.

Oh, and Sleepy, could you give a reason for this sudden (slight) suspicion of Malkatoj? You haven't mentioned her(?) before. Just jumping in with Fea, or bouncing like a wolf? :p

[Eonwe]

By voting, you are giving us something to analyze about yourself: who you voted for, who with, when, with good or bad reasoning. If you happen to vote for an innocent, well, it might get you lynched, but that's a chance you have to take. If you don't vote, it really tells us nothing about you, which is bad for us if you are a wolf. If we don't make the wolves vote, there is really no way to get them to slip. They can just sit back and watch us kill each other.

indeed. i don't like non-voters either. better a random vote with a trail than no vote and no trail.

well, this is getting trickier and trickier. Fea has been mentioned quite a bit. i don't know about her. my first inclination is "no wolf would ever act this way". but by the very nature of that statement, she could be a wolf. (by the way, haveing never played with most (all? wayne is dead) of you, i have to take everything you say at face value. no "well, that is just how fea acts" or whatever).

I think that as long Fea is alive she will be one of the most debated persons, due to her forwardness.

I dont know if this behavior shows us that she is a wolf. If she is it sertanly worked yesterday since i among others were ready to stop her from killing her self.

Maybe she's bluffing, maybe it's a dubbel bluff.

Indeed. however, something tells me that the bluff would be to easy to call for the wolf to feel comfortable making it. so (for now) i am willing to give fea the benefit of the double. if anyone is set on seeing her corpse, let us at least wait a bit.

The basic bit of my idea, though I'm not sure how well you'll understand, is to accuse, bandwagon, and watch who takes sides.

i don't understand. i thought bandwagoning was bad. because the wolves blend in with everyone else's votes. could you explain a little what this will acomplish. i think it might be a good idea to let the votes go around a bit more (ie choose two or three people for bandwagoning, if you really want to do it like that).

i have to go to class soon. as of now, my brain is kind of muddled. anyone could be anyone in my oppinion. however, im thinking fea innocent, as said in the above stuff. but she is the only one i've had time to consider. i'll check back later.

[The Only Real Estel]

Posted by Sleepy Ranger:
I will wait a bit longer before I actually accuse anybody of anything but I have a few doubts about TORE. Theres always a possibility hes playing us for fools, but then again I won't accuse anyone until after a while.

Of course I could be. But then again so could anyone else. Still, I welcome suspicion because it is my experience that those who haven't been suspected (especially towards the end of the game) are perhaps the ones to be suspected.

More later.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

i don't understand. i thought bandwagoning was bad. because the wolves blend in with everyone else's votes. could you explain a little what this will acomplish.
*sigh* If I explain what I'm doing, the wolves will know what I'm doing, if they haven't figured it out already. I know it's a foolish question, but can't you just let me mess with minds in peace and I'll explain later?

Indeed. however, something tells me that the bluff would be to easy to call for the wolf to feel comfortable making it. so (for now) i am willing to give fea the benefit of the double. if anyone is set on seeing her corpse, let us at least wait a bit.
Seriously... if I was a wolf, you would never know. You just wouldn't. You should rest assured that if I'm a bad guy, you'll lose, but if I'm a good guy, you'll survive. It's pointless to resist, so you should simply put your trust in me and let me go about my business and hope like hell I'm on your side. Capiche? Now I'm off to lunch.

[The Only Real Estel]

Seriously... if I was a wolf, you would never know. You just wouldn't. You should rest assured that if I'm a bad guy, you'll lose, but if I'm a good guy, you'll survive. It's pointless to resist, so you should simply put your trust in me and let me go about my business and hope like hell I'm on your side.

Fea you've been spending way too much time around the phantom. :p

[Folwren]

Hm. All your people's talk is very interesting. I've been puzzling over it all morning, but can't make heads or tails of anything. I can't point any fingers in any direct direction, but perhaps that's best, for now.

But,s ince it's helpful for people to talk, I'll do the best I can. Understand, everything that will follow in this post is just a lot of little thoughts scraped into as big a pile as possible. It may not carry very much weight. But the more I think on the matter and the more I write, we might be able to figure something out.

My main suspect - Sleep Ranger. I don't know why, and there isn't necessarily too much evidence behind this, but I just don't like the way he talks. It's too...shadowy. He's willing to agree with people (he jumps up with Fea's half accusation of Malka) with really little reason to. One moment he says he's pretty sure Feanor is a wolf, and his next post he says he doesn't think that, and he think Malka may be.

And then in the same post, he accuses Gurthang of possible guilt after Gurthang, I note, posts a very usefull and possibly insiteful post.

[QUOTE] Said by Sleepy Ranger:
Hmmm... I really doubt that TORE is anything but an innocent bystander, people just don't like him because he argues too much.QUOTE]

There is no firm evidence that anyone is innocent or that anyone is a wolf. In this game and under these circumstances, you don't take someone's side just because people might dislike that person (in this case, TORE) because of their past record on the Downs. As far as I'm aware, TORE hasn't really argued any more than the rest of us.

Now, assuming that this is a valid point against Sleepy Ranger (his defending TORE), then it might be reasonable to suspect TORE as well. But, I'm not up to doing that just now because TORE has posted a lot that may be helpful (I haven't had time to decide).

Enough about Sleepy Ranger...on to Feanor.

Goodness, people, I don't know anything about her. It's my opinion that's she's innocent. The move she took last night was really too risky for a wolf to have taken. Beyond that, today's talking has proved her to be too reckless to be a wolf. At least, I woudn't act that way. But it doesn't appear that Feanor or I are at all alike, because even though I am an innocent, I still don't act that way. It's all very hard to say.

Eonwy seems a little suspicions, but I can't elaborate. Don't have enough evidence.

Bergil...questionable because of his vote for Feanor yesterday.

I have nothing else to say at present. Hope this ramble helps the smarter people... a bit.

-- Jack

[Sleepy Ranger]

There is no firm evidence that anyone is innocent or that anyone is a wolf. In this game and under these circumstances, you don't take someone's side just because people might dislike that person (in this case, TORE) because of their past record on the Downs. As far as I'm aware, TORE hasn't really argued any more than the rest of us.

I did not take TORE's side. I was just posting my opinion on him (which did later change to 'he may be playing us for fools' which still stands.) And yes I have been a bit jumpy but thats because I had first only skimmed through the posts and I have always said I'm not accusing anybody of anything, I'm just posting my (constantly changing) opinions. And if you'll read an earlier post this is what I've been saying all along, people have been too forward with their suspicions which has been causing us all to get a bit paranoid. Everybody should just slow down and ask themselves, 'Who? What? and Why?'.

1) Who do you suspect?
2) What do you think they are?
3) Why do you think so?

If you can find definate answers than go right ahead and accuse people but try not to get too forward because if we end up fighting amongst ourselves the wolves will have an easier task of killing us.

EDIT- And also TORE did sort of agree to the arguing thing. I only posted my opinion on how its been in this thread not on their past acts in the 'Downs because that would be a moot point here.

[Gurthang]

1) Who do you suspect?
2) What do you think they are?
3) Why do you think so?


Exactly. So now I ask again for you to tell us why you suspect malkatoj.

[Sleepy Ranger]

Exactly. So now I ask again for you to tell us why you suspect malkatoj.

I may have been a bit hasty with that but Fea needed some support. I was a bit too forward and random with that suspicion and for that I apologize. :)
As of now my main suspect remains Fea and I believe that I may vote for her unless something big happens. As for everyone else, I'm not sure what to think, I have my doubts about many people but I'd like to see where they're headed before I form any more suspicions.

[The Only Real Estel]

Posted by Folwren:
In this game and under these circumstances, you don't take someone's side just because people might dislike that person (in this case, TORE) because of their past record on the Downs. As far as I'm aware, TORE hasn't really argued any more than the rest of us.


Posted by Sleepy Ranger:
And also TORE did sort of agree to the arguing thing. I only posted my opinion on how its been in this thread not on their past acts in the 'Downs because that would be a moot point here.

I assumed Sleepy Ranger was talking about arguing/loudmouthing in villages & agreed that he was probably right, yes. Loudmouth=anyone that posts a lot & says a lot in those posts...that's probably a good definition of me.
You're right, Folwren, that we can't take sides based on likes/dislikes, but I don't think that's exactly what Sleepy R. had in mind.

Working on some thoughts now, I'll post them later.

[Folwren]

I told you that that post would be lots of little, scattered thoughts, swept into a pile. Nothing was very good.

-- Jack

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

but Fea needed some support.
my main suspect remains Fea
Does this make sense to anybody else? I spoke rashly to support the person I chiefly suspect?

[Sleepy Ranger]

Yes I support you but you are my main suspect. I see nothing wrong in that, its just like you'd support your best friend even if you suspect him/her of having done wrong. I don't really have any major suspicions and you head the list, really nothing wrong with that in my opinion. As I stated I was a bit hasty with my judgement there.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Sleepy, it makes sense to me, but I'm the crazy one by all accounts. But why put your neck on the line for somebody that you think is most likely to be guilty? Especially if you plan on trying to get me lynched...

Shall I simply allow you to go on with your mysterious plans in hopes that you reciprocate? Or shall I persue...

[Sleepy Ranger]

It is your choice Fea. Just keep in mind that you and TORE aren't the only ones who are cooking up crazy plans that nobody else understands. ;)

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

keep in mind that you and TORE aren't the only ones who are cooking up crazy plans that nobody else understands.
Exactly. The wolves also are. I imagine that the Hunter has a plan on how to choose potential death-mates from the throng. The Seer doubtlessly has an idea of who to dream about, and how and perhaps when to reveal him/herself. The Ranger surely is cooking things up to discover who to protect. Even ordinary villagers will be thinking and plotting.

What the question is, is how do we decide who to allow to work in peace, versus whose moves are mercilessly scrutinized and attacked.

[Sleepy Ranger]

What the question is, is how do we decide who to allow to work in peace, versus whose moves are mercilessly scrutinized and attacked.

Lets leave that to everybodys own instinct, opinions and deductions. But I beg everyone to try and be subtle about it, you must try and work in secret. Extract as much information from your target without letting them know what you are truly doing. Openly attacking a person is just drawing unwanted attention to yourself, I advice everybody to be careful about what they do. The last thing we need is people fighting amongst themselves through the day while the wolves hound us during the night.

[The Only Real Estel]

Posted by Sleepy Ranger:

Just keep in mind that you and TORE aren't the only ones who are cooking up crazy plans that nobody else understand.

Heh. I wish that were true. I have no idea what to think right now and don't really have any plans just yet.

But I am going to agree with Fea, I think this business is just to fishy, SR. All due apologies if I'm wrong & everything, but you're looking the most suspicious out of anyone to me right now.

Once more on gifted roles: Subtle hints would be nice. If you think you are incapable of hinting subtlely, don't do it; but if you can drop a small hint or two it would be extremely helpful. Although I should say I've got two of the gifted roles 95% worked out (excluding wolves of course).

I should be posting a bit of my thoughts on the going-ons so far in not too long.

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

Ok. I have read the post's over and over and it is not helping me as much as i could hope.

I do not like the fact that Hiriel and Bergil has not posted lately, that alone could be a reason for me to vote for them. . .(If i do not have a person in witch i have reason to doubt)

I am now pretty sure that fea is innocent.

I will not coment on the rest until later.

[Bergil]

well, the cobbler has died, how do we respond to that? i beleive that no wolves would have voted for him, in fact none voted for another person at all. my logic behind this is that wolves want to avoid leaving a trail, and will not vote if they think it won't make them look suspicious, otherwise they'll vote in a way that won't incriminate them. when this day began, I was going to give Fea another chance, and she blew it by encouraging bandwaggoning, the very thing that will give the wolves annonimity. also, doesn't T.O.R.E. seem strangely analytical?

[The Only Real Estel]

Uh, should I not be trying to analize what has happened so far, Bergil? That is what all innocents should be doing, why is that suspicious?

Also:
well, the cobbler has died, how do we respond to that? i beleive that no wolves would have voted for him, in fact none voted for another person at all. my logic behind this is that wolves want to avoid leaving a trail, and will not vote if they think it won't make them look suspicious, otherwise they'll vote in a way that won't incriminate them.

Well, if the wolves want to avoid being suspicious, then the way to do that is certiainly not to not vote, in my opinion. We have no guarentee that no wolf voted for Wayne because, of course, none of them could have known he was the Cobbler.

I do agree with you, however, that they would probably want to vote in a way that wouldn't incriminate them.


A few thoughts:

Bergil- suspected malkatoj & Fea but Fea moreso (#22), strongly suspects Fea (#27), admits possibly over-reacting on Fea (#34), somewhat iffy sounding logic (to me) surrounding how the wolves would have voted, reaffirms suspicion of Fea, accuses me of being 'strangely analytical' (#92) Unsure of

Eonwe- wants reasons, not just suspicions (#11), thinks voting is good for leaving trails-backtracks a bit (#13), sounds a little non-commital (#44), goes with a random vote (#52), says Fea is probably innocent (#74) Unsure of

Feanor of the Peredhil- confusing as usual, but I say we let her logic work for her & I'll say why in a very short while, suspects malkatoj Likely innocent

Jack (aka Folwren)- half-suspects Sleepy (#24), suspects their could be a Kitanna/Gurthang alliance (#30), advises people against voting for Fea (#46), doesn't vote (interesting) (#49), makes a point about Sleepy's apparent "wishywashyness" of whatever you want to call it, thinks that Fea is innocent despite being confusing, that Eonwe is somewhat suspicious at least & Bergil is questionable (#78) Not quite sure of

Kitanna- dead but why? did she hit to close to home?

Gurthang- says he thinks the wolves killed someone not associated with them (#61), states that he likes it when everyone votes so there's a trail, says Fea is still acting suspicious, wants a reason for Sleepy jumping in with Fea on Malkatoj (#73), presses Sleepy for an answer (#80) Not quite sure of, but likely innocent

Hiriel- Nothing to work with yet

Malkatoj- suspects Fea for pegging 5 wolves when there are only 3 (#10), supports Gurthang & Hiriel (#18), asks Fea for reasons on her suspicion of TORE (#21), wants more reasons from Fea (#70) Unsure of

Rune Son of Bjarne- seems to be rather level headed, voiced suspicions of me early on, now he voices some suspicion of Bergil & Hiriel for not having spoken (although Bergil now has) Probably innocent, not quite sure

Sleepy Ranger- Very suspicious of Fea (#64), half as suspicious of Fea now, more suspicous of malkatoj, has a few doubts of me, thinks Gurthang may be sowing seeds of distrust (#72), reiterates that he DID NOT take my side (#79), now says that Fea is suspicious as well as malkatoj (#81), looks a bit suspicious to me some of his later posts Unsure of

Thinlomien- suspicious of Fea (#63), not much at all to go on

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

I hate not knowing things. My thoughts are currently ranging all over the place, but the most solid thing I can settle on is that I'm very suspicious of Sleepy Ranger and of Bergil.

Why Bergil: I was going to give Fea another chance, and she blew it by encouraging bandwaggoning, the very thing that will give the wolves annonimity. also, doesn't T.O.R.E. seem strangely analytical?
Is it that he truly doesn't get what I'm doing? Or is he feeling around for possible ways to seem innocent while directing more suspicion my way? I wasn't encouraging bandwagoning as an actual way to kill people, I was encouraging it as a way to observe them. You lead a full frontal assault against a chosen villager, making sure never to vote, and you watch who follows. You take notes on who refuses to band-wagon, and why. You add pluses or minuses for perceived sincerity. Before the person actually receives enough votes to die, you explain what you just did, and you decide how many people honestly believe in the guilt. Wolves leave paths. It is up to us to track them. But how can we track them if you force innocent villagers to lay out their plans in an easy to read (and so, easy to work around) fashion? Observing band-wagoning could have worked like a charm. And yet Bergil flatly refused to see the merit of the plan. Perhaps now that I've completely outlined it, making it workably useless, he'll believe in my innocence?

Or perhaps he's already aware of it.

Of Sleepy... now that's just a bad gut feeling. He said:

Malkatoj may be a wolf but I'd like to look into a bit further, after seeing what Fea had to say he has definately topped the list of suspects along with her.
I don't know how what I had to say would convince anybody to suspect Malkatoj, considering I went to great lengths to explain how much I did not suspect him at all, and was simply using him because he's fairly vocal and made a good "scapegoat" for my theory.

[Bergil]

It was not suspicious to not vote because many people didn't vote. I suggest they waitied untill late to vote so they could be shure the people they voted for wouldn't die and leave a trail pointing to them, and realized few people would vote that day (a total of 5,including Fea. I hope I cleared that up.

[The Only Real Estel]

Any more suspicion of Fea is just wasted time & breath. Unless I grossly misunderstand the seer's hint, Fea is innocent as the pure & wind driven snow.

[Sleepy Ranger]

I know what I'm doing may make no sense at all but I request that you trust me for a while longer. I think I know what I'm doing. I am now pretty certain of what is what and what I should do but I will not reveal anything of my plan till a later. I see many people are growing cautious of me, I do not know how to reply to that because I have given people reason to suspect me but I request that you go along with me. :)

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Cheers, TORE. Shall we waste some breath on Bergil?

[The Only Real Estel]

I think the village can only afford to take Sleepy at his word...for the moment.

But Bergil worries me greatly...I'm off to search for hints. More later.

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

Rune Son of Bjarne- seems to be rather level headed, voiced suspicions of me early on, now he voices some suspicion of Bergil & Hiriel for not having spoken (although Bergil now has) Probably innocent, not quite sure


Well i am unhappy to see that i have somehow seem less innocent to you.

The reason i mention Hiriel and Bergil, is that i would like something to judge people by !

[The Only Real Estel]

And that's a perfectly good reason, Rune.

I don't suspect you I just haven't entirely cleared you yet, I can't be sure of anyone's innocence at the moment except Fea's. And besides, trust can easily be twisted by these wolves. I don't trust just anyone & I don't want anyone to just trust me on Fea or anything else I might find in earlier or later posts. Search for yourself, it's not that difficult - I daresay our seer may be in danger.

[malkatoj]

Earlier today I voiced my suspicion of those who defend Fea and I'd like to state more accurately whom I suspect and WHY (reasons=good, rememeber).

Yesterday, Sleepy and Jack defended Fea after her vote for herself. Today, Sleepy's defense has done a complete 180 and he now lists Fea as his prime suspect. Jack, on the other hand, is still acting defensive of Fea.

This seems like a wolfish tactic--together one day, not the next, it'd look like random villagers not connected at all. My suspicion draws me more to Sleepy, however, because of his sudden change in ideas. Also, his "flip-flopping" on the Fea issue--supporting her by bandwagoning though still suspecting her, even after defending her yesterday--seems very suspicious. (Again, I don't care so much WHO the vote is for, but WHY. Even Fea admitted to have no reason to suspect me, yet he still bandwagoned. I don't care that it's for me. Just that there doesn't seem to be a reason.)

And for further reference, I am, indeed, a she.

So for now Sleepy remains my chief suspect. I'll be on and off for the rest of the day and will update you if my suspicions change.

[Sleepy Ranger]

TORE is right. You can't trust anybody but yourself at the moment (if I understand correct). But then again we must trust each other to some extent if we are to defeat the wolves. I am glad that you can trust me TORE and I promise you won't find anything wrong with me. Anyway I know I can't clear up all your doubts but I will try none the less.

And Malkatoj I did say that it was a decision I made in haste and I withdrew my suspicion after a closer read. I know I've been really edgy and my opinions have been changing constantly but I have made no strong accusations of yet. I do have a faint image dancing around my mind but I still do not have a clear pereception of events and before I do I will with hold my judgement.

[Gurthang]

Sleepy, I hate to break it to you, but you are probably the top of my 'list'. That is if I had a list. But you have been very inconsistant, jumping from suspecting someone to not suspecting them, and in a single post you both supported and denounced Feanor. Don't be too surprised if you get a vote from me today.

Estel, I do have a question for you. In this post:

Once more on gifted roles: Subtle hints would be nice. If you think you are incapable of hinting subtlely, don't do it; but if you can drop a small hint or two it would be extremely helpful. Although I should say I've got two of the gifted roles 95% worked out (excluding wolves of course).

It sounds like you haven't seen any hints from the Seer. Yet in this one:

I don't suspect you I just haven't entirely cleared you yet, I can't be sure of anyone's innocence at the moment except Fea's. And besides, trust can easily be twisted by these wolves. I don't trust just anyone & I don't want anyone to just trust me on Fea or anything else I might find in earlier or later posts. Search for yourself, it's not that difficult - I daresay our seer may be in danger.

You are so certain of Feanor's innocence. Why the switch? I also don't see how you can be 100% sure of anyone being the Seer just yet. I know you probably can't explain too much because it would reveal who you think the Seer is, but could you tell me what you can.

Oh, and chew on this: a Feanor, TORE, and Rune trio.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

And for further reference, I am, indeed, a she.
Well that's certainly good to know. *looks a bit embarrassed*

Search for yourself, it's not that difficult - I daresay our seer may be in danger.
All we can hope is that our Ranger is bright enough to get a decent grasp on the current situation, that our wolves are dense enough not to, that our villagers aren't insane, and that there isn't some hilariously and complicatedly bad encounter with a Hunter in the next few timeframes. I also hope that you and I aren't wrong, TORE, and more importantly, I hope that I'm not wrong about you. My views of you are complicated, and I'd have to rebuild them from the bottom up, should even a small piece be mistaken. How delightful.

Anywho... TORE, does anything malkatoj said strike you as funny?

[Hiriel]

Hullo all! Goodness, but I missed a lot. Very sorry. My dad's going to have lung surgery this week, so if the plight of Fwederwick is a little distant in my mind, I'm sorry. Real life is being a @*#& to me at present. But I have read over the thread, and here's what stuck me.

"Yesterday, Sleepy and Jack defended Fea after her vote for herself. Today, Sleepy's defense has done a complete 180 and he now lists Fea as his prime suspect. Jack, on the other hand, is still acting defensive of Fea.

This seems like a wolfish tactic--together one day, not the next, it'd look like random villagers not connected at all. My suspicion draws me more to Sleepy, however, because of his sudden change in ideas. Also, his "flip-flopping" on the Fea issue--supporting her by bandwagoning though still suspecting her, even after defending her yesterday--seems very suspicious.

Hmm. Sleepy Ranger has been talking quite a lot more than yesterDAY, but has been talking sense. My guess is he's more likely the Seer than a wolf, and probably looked up Fea because Fea's been so forward. Who doesn't want to know who Fea really is? I may be taking a huge leap of faith and will fall flat on my face, but right now I trust Sleepy.

Feanor of the Peredhil- confusing as usual, but I say we let her logic work for her & I'll say why in a very short while, suspect

I agree. I'm more inclined to think Fea's innocent and lovably quirky than anything else.

Both Rune and Eonwe have been trying to go about this very logically, demanding which I appreciate. If they're wolves, then they're both wolves slinking around together. But I'm more inclined to think their innocents.

"I don't suspect you I just haven't entirely cleared you yet, I can't be sure of anyone's innocence at the moment except Fea's. And besides, trust can easily be twisted by these wolves. I don't trust just anyone & I don't want anyone to just trust me on Fea or anything else I might find in earlier or later posts. Search for yourself, it's not that difficult - I daresay our seer may be in danger.

What we have in spades here is uncertanty. Yet TORE seems very, very sure of himself. That makes me a little suspecious.

"I was going to give Fea another chance, and she blew it by encouraging bandwaggoning, the very thing that will give the wolves annonimity. also, doesn't T.O.R.E. seem strangely analytical?

What Bergil said about being analytical has rocketed him onto my list of suspects. Discouraging logic and analysis is what will give Fwederwick to the wolves. And what Fea said about bandwagoning as an opertunity to gauge paths, while I dislike sacrificing a villager to the cause and that makes me a little suspecious, made good sense.

Jack and Gurthang I'm not sure of, but both have said some helpful things, so I'm inclined to believe they're ordos.

malkatoj...I'm not sure of. She's been being very confrontational to SR, and some things that strike me as odd for some reason I can't quite articulate yet. But, I'm just not sure.

Wow, that was longer than I ment it to be. I'm going to reread the thread and see what happens next. With any luck, I'll post again in about an hour.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

It sounds like you haven't seen any hints from the Seer. Perhaps I'm the worst person to make this request, seeing as how the whole thing deals with me, but it would be an excellent idea to drop this line of questioning right about now. Yeah... that really does sound bad. Oh well. Such is life.

Oh, and chew on this: a Feanor, TORE, and Rune trio.I'd have put forth a Fea/TOREstel/Sleepy trio if I were doing such things. Why Rune, I wonder?

Edit: another crosspost

[Eonwe]

wow, so much has happened that does nothing to further our ends. sorry, i keep on letting the pesimism seep through. :)

ok then, sleepy ranger:

we are certainly dividing into pro and con on this one. for my part, while i find his behavior quite sus, i think let's at least wait until he unvails his plan; hopefully in the next day or two (hint hint :) )

right, next up, bergil:

suspicious. i don't quite like his tone...

fea:

same as last time: seems innocent, but if guilty...i will kill her and then myself :) just kidding...no i really will...im jsut joking...or am i?

TORE:

i like this guy. onf the ball, sound posts, sound logic.

Rune:

like him too.

Lets see, ah thin:

you need to talk some, my friend!

Gurthang:

clean for now...

that's all for now. i will keep looking for stuff. totally not sure about the vote right now.

ps. fea, sorry to question your apperently sound plan. didn't quite no how to take it, not being experience and all...i swear, if you're a wolf...

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

Well if i was part of such a trio i would proberbly not insist on fea's inoccens !

At this time there is two things that bothers me.

1. The coment from Bergil about analysing
2. The sudden change of Sleepy Ranger

The rest i may have some suspicions about, but i wont mention them now!
(I cannot give realy good reasons to why i suspect them)

[The Only Real Estel]

All posted by Gurthang:

Estel, I do have a question for you. In this post:

Quote:
Originally Posted by The Only Real Estel
Once more on gifted roles: Subtle hints would be nice. If you think you are incapable of hinting subtlely, don't do it; but if you can drop a small hint or two it would be extremely helpful. Although I should say I've got two of the gifted roles 95% worked out (excluding wolves of course).

It sounds like you haven't seen any hints from the Seer...

You'll notice I said I have two gifted roles 95% worked out. One was the seer. I was hoping to get other roles to drop more hints so that I could narrow down my rather wide suspect list. There is, of course, always the chance of a wolf dropping Hunterish hints or something like that, but it would be awfully hard for that wolf to keep it up for very long.

...yet in this one:

Quote:
Originally Posted by The Only Real Estel
I don't suspect you I just haven't entirely cleared you yet, I can't be sure of anyone's innocence at the moment except Fea's. And besides, trust can easily be twisted by these wolves. I don't trust just anyone & I don't want anyone to just trust me on Fea or anything else I might find in earlier or later posts. Search for yourself, it's not that difficult - I daresay our seer may be in danger.


You are so certain of Feanor's innocence. Why the switch? I also don't see how you can be 100% sure of anyone being the Seer just yet. I know you probably can't explain too much because it would reveal who you think the Seer is, but could you tell me what you can.

As to the 'switch,' I finally got some time to really scour the thread and found what is, in my opinion, quite conclusive evidence.

Now I've got to be choosey here. I'm sorry but I'm not going to expand much because if I accidently give away the identity of the seer I'll lynch myself. You don't see how I can be 100% sure of the Seer just yet? Sir, did you not take that course in Phantomology that was offered in the village not a month ago? It is not as hard as all that, you just need some time to really think things out. To be accurate I am not 100% sure of the seer, only 95%. But the difference between being totally lost & at least knowing one innocent is worth the 5% risk, I think.

I hope you're satisfied because I'm not going into further detail no matter what, find it yourself. :p

[malkatoj]

My guess is he's more likely the Seer than a wolf, and probably looked up Fea because Fea's been so forward. Who doesn't want to know who Fea really is? I may be taking a huge leap of faith and will fall flat on my face, but right now I trust Sleepy.

Hm...though I still don't trust Sleepy entirely, I think you're right. Fea's actions have been confusing so I have no doubt that the Seer would dream of her, thus explaining the sudden 180 in Sleepy's views if he, indeed, is the seer. On the other hand, if he's not the seer, then he's almost definitely a wolf for reasons I stated previously. His backing off me after questioned makes him look even more suspicious, in my eyes, than he did before.

I'm really torn on this matter--it seems like he's either the Seer or a Wolf, and either way he's doing a good job at it. While I'd hate to lose the Seer, we really need to start finding wolves. I think we should back off him for a few days so we can see more about what he's up to.

Dinner time for Malkatoj, though I shall return and look more closely. Right now I really don't know who to vote for, though if we're going to trust that Sleepy is the seer, then killing Fea would probably be our best bet.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Fea's actions have been confusing
I see nothing confusing about them. I thought I explained myself quite well.

so I have no doubt that the Seer would dream of her,
I agree.

thus explaining the sudden 180 in Sleepy's views if he, indeed, is the seer.
It certainly would explain it, if it were true. I assure you... if I was a wolf, I'd be happy to run off tonight and slaughter Sleepy. Just too chancy, keeping him around, you know? What with him distrusting me so much and making everybody else suspicious even though TORE's trying so hard to be subtle about this... I'd put money down that the wolves are currently scouring the thread trying to figure some stuff out.

On the other hand, if he's not the seer, then he's almost definitely a wolf for reasons I stated previously
Much better.

though if we're going to trust that Sleepy is the seer, then killing Fea would probably be our best bet.
For the love of Glirdy, don't do that. If Sleepy is, on some odd chance (what's the chance, TORE? 5%?) the Seer, it means that he hasn't yet dreamt about me. I assure you, I'm not lupine, and your [group your, not directed] obscene concentration on my perceived guilt is allowing wolves to fly under the radar unchecked. In any case, I'm pretty certain I know who I'm voting for tonight.

PS: I'll be voting before 9:00 since I'm headed over to the studio then to draw me some stuff and make a valiant attempt at some psych homework.

[The Only Real Estel]

Posted by Fea:
I also hope that you and I aren't wrong, TORE, and more importantly, I hope that I'm not wrong about you.

I'd better not be wrong about you. If that 5% ends up stabbing me in the back I'll never trust my own statistics again.

Posted by Fea:
Anywho...TORE, does anything malkatoj said strike you as funny?

Not glaringly. She's just one of the four or five that I'm not sure about (as I said above in my list of thoughts).

Posted by Hithriel:
TORE seems very, very sure of himself. That makes me a little suspecious.
On the contrary. I've said several times that I have no clear-cut suspects & no real idea of what's going on yet. The only thing I'm sure of is Fea is innocent, though I'd love to discover who the seer's other night's dream was about. Unfortunately, my last search for hints revealed nothing about Bergil of anyone else. :/

Posted by malkatoj:
Right now I really don't know who to vote for, though if we're going to trust that Sleepy is the seer, then killing Fea would probably be our best bet.

Whether Sleepy is indeed innocent or not I'm not sure of. But I don't think he's the seer. Your insistance on sticking with Fea makes me wonder...

edit: cross-posted with Fea

[Sleepy Ranger]

Since I am off for the day I will leave my vote.

I am voting for Bergil mainly because he has just posted once or twice and because I am not really sure about other people.

++Bergil

[Hiriel]

Right now I really don't know who to vote for, though if we're going to trust that Sleepy is the seer, then killing Fea would probably be our best bet.

Herm. I dunno if I agree with that. Sleepy's been supporting fea, and even though he says he suspects her wants us all to keep her around. If you really think that Sleepy's the Seer, we should take his advice. I'm not saying that SR is, but if he is, he's going about giving us the information we need very cleverly. His vote for Bergil...I have to take some time to see what to make of that. It's very interesting. I'd vote for Bergil only because he apparently sees analysis as a damning quality.

No other updates from my last post, save that both Fea and TORE seem to be darn sure of something that I'm only seeing hints of here. Puts me a little ill at ease, but then again, I am a bumbling novice. I could be missing something. I'll see what happens next and check in after about an hour or so.

[Eonwe]

herm, sometimes i hate werewolf. everything anyone says can be used to point to being both guilty and innocent. that's not really true but you know what i mean.

is it just me, or are some people wondering just what TORE and fea are talking about. i like it less and less (and sometimes more and more) that TORE and fea are dominating this game. sometimes i am confinced of both of their innocence and someimes i know they are guilty. the both of them. :)

we'll just have to wait and see. but lets not kill either of them, or SR either, because they all have a plan. we should wait and see what that is.

as for who we should suspect, it think bergil is a good bet. he is the only one i can see that really sticks out. like i said, i don't like his tone.

edit: cross post with hiriel.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

I could be missing something.
You are. It's okay though. Quite frankly, I'm ecstatic at our chances, seeing as how so many people are with you when it comes to having no idea what made me trust TORE, and him trust me. If he and his accomplice are one heck of a pair of coy wolves, I'm very impressed, and they deserves the win. That ought to tell you something. And no, it shouldn't tell you he and I are wolves and in cahoots. :)

Anyhow... birthday party! So I'm taking off an hour earlier than I expected. Which means that

++SLEEPY RANGER

gets tonight's vote from me. If I'm wrong on this, which I very well could be, many apologies, Ranger'm'lad.

[Sleepy Ranger]

sometimes i hate werewolf.

Only sometimes? Hmmm... Do you mean to say that you like or support the werewolves at other times?

[malkatoj]

Post 81:

I may have been a bit hasty with that but Fea needed some support. I was a bit too forward and random with that suspicion and for that I apologize.

(From Sleepy Ranger) Suspected me briefly, but doesn't (seem to) anymore.


I'm not saying SR is definitely the seer, I was just saying it would give an excuse for him to be defending Fea one day and condemning her the next, for apparently no reason. Honestly, I don't think SR is the seer. All I'm saying is that if he is, and he did indeed dream of Fea, then he found something he didn't like there. I don't think it's a good idea to kill Fea until we have much more evidence aside from her being outspoken.

Expect my vote (with an explanation) fairly soon, since I'll need to be going shortly.

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

herm, sometimes i hate werewolf. everything anyone says can be used to point to being both guilty and innocent. that's not really true but you know what i mean.

Yes i know what you mean !

I to am considering Bergil.

Another thought: Can we afford to have Thinlomien in the village. (Is kind of hidding)

[The Only Real Estel]

No more votes for Sleepy Ranger, please. He may be a wolf (he's definitly worthy of suspicion in my eyes) but I think that Bergil is a better bet & we need to make every lynching count.

++ Bergil

The vote count now stands at:
Bergil- 2
Sleepy Ranger- 1

I believe we have ourselves one werewolf. Sleepy can always be dealt with later, if he is truly guilty.

In fact, I'm going to go ahead & ask the Seer to please dream of Sleepy Ranger this following NIGHT so that we will know for sure.

Posted by Hiriel:
both Fea and TORE seem to be darn sure of something that I'm only seeing hints of here

The way I read it Fea at the very least has caught on to the seer's identity as well but isn't as sure as I am about it. That would explain her "hoping that I am right."

edit:
Posted by Eonwe:
is it just me, or are some people wondering just what TORE and fea are talking about. i like it less and less (and sometimes more and more) that TORE and fea are dominating this game.

Grrr, I wish I could elaborate! :mad: Just search the thread post by post & you should find it. I don't want to dominate discussion in any way, shape, or form, but it helps a lot when you can actually trust someone enough to talk things out with them.

[malkatoj]

Looking over the day (and yesterday)...

-Bergil seems to be drawing a lot of suspicion recently. I'm watching him, but not really seeing anything that points me in either direction--could be dangerous, but so could a lot of other people. He seems iffy.

-Sleepy Ranger still tops my suspect list. Because I think it highly unlikely that Fea is a wolf, I think it's also unlikely that he's the seer. In this case, his behaviour has been strange and I don't follow his logic--defending, then accusing, while accusing jumping on the bandwagon with, changing his mind about the bandwagon but still accusing... It's possible that he's the seer, but just as possible as it is that anyone else is. I'm not really fond of the way he's acting, so...

++Sleepy Ranger


Hope I'm not making a mistake here.

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

++Bergil

I will give Thinlomien another day, if he does not post more i am likley to vote for him!

People i think is innocent : (This means allmost sure)

Feanor of the Peredhil
Gurthang
Hiriel
Eonwe

(yes they are listet after how much i belive in there innocens)

[Bergil]

The Phantom would be proud appearing so much in a game he isn't in. I will cast my vote for

++Sleepy Ranger

this is partly for self-preservation I admit, but people don't seem to think Fea is guilty (I'm not even so sure anymore), he might be a wolf and, 1 muinate after he recieved his 1st vote, he responded to Eonwe's innocent statement of sometimes i hate werewolf.
turning it into a freudian slip

Only sometimes? Hmmm... Do you mean to say that you like or support the werewolves at other times?

and for the analytical line, I just didn't know if he usually acted that way

[Eonwe]

bergil certainly has my suspicions, i may vote for him. i will prolly run out the clock though, on whoever i vote for. actually i will prolly vote for him, meaning he is the most suspicions i see.

Just search the thread post by post & you should find it. I don't want to dominate discussion in any way, shape, or form, but it helps a lot when you can actually trust someone enough to talk things out with them.

will do. and don't think you are dominating in a bad way. its just so complicated and there are so many possibilities as to waht such and such post might mean.

my List:

Innocent:

TORE
Fea

Likely Innocent

Gurthang
Thin (i don't think a wolf would be so neglectful in their posting duties. now that i think of it, i would like to take back my suspicion of her, but not the request for her to talk more :) ) (i understand if you have rl crap. not everyone is willing to throw away a calc grade to catch some wolves!)
Hiriel
malkatoj
Rune

That leaves: (as could be suspicious and have no thoughts on)

Jack
Sleepy Ranger (not so sure)
Bergil (not so sure)

sorry for making you read my crap, but it had to be done. :)


cross posted after bergil:
bergils vote brings things to:

sleepy --> bergil
fea --> sleepy (what the heck?)
malkatoj --> sleepy
Bergil --> sleepy

i don't think i missed any.

ps. maybe it would help vote counter if you put VOTE as your title of the vote post. actually it would. :)

[Gurthang]

I'd have put forth a Fea/TOREstel/Sleepy trio if I were doing such things. Why Rune, I wonder?

I picked Rune over Sleepy because I have a theory about the three I mentioned. It is only a theory, and I will not elaborate. If I am wrong and people believe me, it will be doom for the village. But at the same time I just wanted to throw it out there in case I die, just so people know about it.

And since that is only a theory, I will not voice suspicion of Rune.

It seems the two choices right now are Bergil and Sleepy Ranger. Bergil may have done something worthy of suspicion, but I have not seen it. Sleepy on the other hand has quite a pile for himself. He threw his support to Fea's limp accusation of malkatoj without reason. When questioned he flipped. He also accused and supported Feanor in the same post. And he then votes for Bergil without ever having mentioned him at all toDay.

++Sleepy Ranger

If Sleepy is not a wolf, I may look closer into my theory.

[Eonwe]

grr now i really hate werewolf!! curse you foul fiends!!

i was pretty certain five minutes ago that bergil was a wolf. gurthang makes me reconsider. im of to put nose to the grindstone, scouring the thread....

[Gurthang]

Bergil - 3(Sleepy Ranger, TORE, Rune)
Sleepy Ranger - 4(Feanor, malkatoj, Bergil, Gurthang)

[Hiriel]

'Bergil - 3(Sleepy Ranger, TORE, Rune)
Sleepy Ranger - 4(Feanor, malkatoj, Bergil, Gurthang)

Herm..this is very interesting. First off, both TORE and Fea, as I said before, seemed to be very sure of something together, and very sure of each other's innocence. Yet they voted differently. Strange. Bergil's vote, as I see it, is self-preservation. It's the other three that I have to figure out. Unfortunately, I don't have the time. I want to see what happens to Sleepy over the night, and who dies, and that should help the theories I have greatly.

So, because it's the only choice to keep SR alive, and because some what he's said strikes me the wrong way,

++Bergil

[The Only Real Estel]

This is going to be quite close, obviously. I don't feel extremely strongly either way, in my mind SR is likely to be a wolf, but only less so than Bergil. If we lynch one I guess it doesn't much matter but I just thought Bergil was a little more suspicious.

[Eonwe]

ehem. *assumes authoritative voice which i don't own ;) *

i hereby name TORE chief prosecutor of Bergil

and i hereby name fea chief prosecutro of sleepy ranger.



what i really mean is, could you both, acutally anyone lay out some reasoning here. as i think back, i seem to have almost jumped on teh bergil bandwagon. i don't like him, but i don't hate him. sleepy ranger, on the other hand, has done some way more incriminating stuff. (switcheroo, all that crap). another thing i hate about werewolf is peole never give reasons. all they say is "this is suspicious! lynch him!". sigh, so do i...

this is going to be quite close

indeed...

[Eonwe]

well fifteen minutes, roughly, left and we have to hear from me, Jack and thinlomien.

ill go with ++Bergil

[Folwren]

This may be the tie breaker...How difficult can this be?

I have not read all of the posts. I read a few, but not all. What I read, however...it may, after all, be a good idea to go along with TORE's plan. Let Sleepy Ranger wait, go for Bergil. Sleepy Ranger at least talks more and will be more of a help later on if we leave him alive.

So... ++Bergil

Tomorrow I will catch up on all the posts and come Thursday (being the next DAY), I may have a bit more to say. I'm sorry I've not been much of a help.

-- Jack

[Glirdan]

Times up. Expect Bergil's death soon.

[Glirdan]

The village congregated once more at the end of the day. The votes were close at one point, but it all came down to the vote for Bergil.

As the villagers advanced on Bergil, he grabbed the nearest villager. "Stay back or this one gets it!!" he yelled as he transfromed into an ugly, snarling beast. Gurthang rushed forward and started playing some music. Music always calmed Bergil, even as a Wolf. "Quick!!! Someone get him!!!" and as the villager said it, Jack came up with one of his swords made of silver and stabbed him in the heart. An earthly howl came out of Bergil and he slumped to the ground, in human form, dead.

The villagers had finally found a Wolf. One down. Two to go.

Dead
Glirdan (mod) - got a quill throught the head on Night 1
Wayne (Cobbler) - lynched by villagers on Day 1
Kitanna (ordinary villager) - Died of Alchool poisoning on Night 2
Bergil (Wolf) - stabbed with silver blade on Day 2

Alive
Eonwe
Feanor of the Peredhil
Jack (aka Folwren)
Gurthang
Hiriel
Malkatoj
Rune Son of Bjarne
Sleepy Ranger
The Only Real Estel
Thinlomien

* Wolves, do what you need to do. I need names from the Seer, Ranger, Hunter and remaining Wolve

** The names in this post have nothing to do with their roles. Just fit in with the storyline. Send your names to both myself and The Perky Ent please.

[Glirdan]

The villager woke up the next morning, preparing for the worst, preparing for the fact that there might be another one of their own dead.

But to their great surprise, as they all assembled for the head count in the square, they noticed that they had the same amount of villagers as the day before!!! There were 10 people left. "The Ranger picked the right person to protect, by the looks of things." And so he did.

Dead
Glirdan (mod) - got a quill throught the head on Night 1
Wayne (Cobbler) - lynched by villagers on Day 1
Kitanna (ordinary villager) - Died of Alchool poisoning on Night 2
Bergil (Wolf) - stabbed with silver blade on Day 2

Alive
Eonwe
Feanor of the Peredhil
Jack (aka Folwren)
Gurthang
Hiriel
Malkatoj
Rune Son of Bjarne
Sleepy Ranger
The Only Real Estel
Thinlomien

*Wolves stop PMing. Villagers, do your thing.

[The Only Real Estel]

Okay, nobody else wants to talk so I'll start.

First off, praise to our Ranger. Good anticipation of whoever it was the wolves were trying to kill.

Now, I’m beginning to wonder if it wasn’t so smart of me to ask the seer to dream of Sleepy Ranger last night. He/she probably was going to anyway, & now the seer can’t safely leave a hint because the wolves will be all over it. :( Oh well, I’ll keep an eye open for that, but now that Bergil has been proven a wolf I have a new top suspect.

After looking at everything Bergil said I am extremely suspicious of malkatoj. When Bergil said this:

well, the cobbler has died, how do we respond to that? i beleive that no wolves would have voted for him

I suspected that if Bergil should prove to be a wolf (& he has) he was covering for one of his comrades. That would leave Hiriel or malkatoj, the only two that voted for WaynetheCobbler. I think Hiriel is innocent for several reasons:

1. She said yesterDAY that Bergil had “rocketed to the top of her suspicions list” when we were all still mostly sidetracked on the SR issue. No wolf would do such a thing, not even as a bluff – it would be an unnecessary risk, one not worth taking.

2. Not only did she voice suspicion of Bergil (malk voiced some token suspicion also, but ‘concluded’ that SR was more suspicious in the end), she backed it up by voting for him – something that malk did not do.

That would leave malkatoj as the second wolf of the trio. I have been accused of being too confident several times since these wolves appeared & denied it but on this matter I am very confident. The evidence is there; if malkatoj is not a wolf than I am a wooden badger.

edit: Thoughts on who was saved- I'd say either the wolves have found the seer & tried to do away with him/her & were foiled by the Ranger or, failing to discover the seer, the wolves tried to kill either Fea or I, hoping to at least eliminate those who know who the seer is. On second thought, if they couldn't find the Seer they probably tried to kill me because Fea doesn't seem to be as sure about the hints, etc. as I am....

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

TORE, shut up. I'm going to explain everything in a minute, and if you continue to talk, what's fact is going to look false. Capiche?

[The Only Real Estel]

I'm all ears...

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

First off, praise to our Ranger. Good anticipation of whoever it was the wolves were trying to kill.
First things first... TORE, you can stop your ploy. I'm telling. I dreamt of him the first night: TOREstel is the Ranger. Of course he was 90% (or was that 95%) certain of a special role... he's got it. Praise go to his brains in picking me out as the Seer. He caught onto the fool-vote on Day 1 (I hadn't bagged a wolf and didn't want to leave a false trail should I die early) and he understood what I was trying to say about Bergil (my second dream) in post 94 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=419123&postcount=94)on Day 2. What I said about Sleepy Ranger... it's merely suspicion. I stated it as a gut feeling. I did not dream of him last night... I dreamt of Hiriel, who I suspected a lot, who turned out innocent.

If you're wondering why I'm coming into the open now... I'm laughing at you because it should be obvious. The wolves almost got me last night, but TORE put a stop to it. Praise be to TORE for his faith in me. But he can't protect me a second night. Since I'm going to die, you guys needed to hear my dreams. Does everybody understand?

[malkatoj]

TORE, in my defense, I was under the impression that Bergil was just an idiot. 'Wolf' and 'Idiot' do not necessarily go together, so I didn't want to vote for him until I had more evidence. My apologies.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Second thought: I just realized that I didn't need to post that. *swears colorfully* There's a chance that the wolves were wrong last night and tried to kill somebody else. And that TOREstel didn't actually realize I'm the Seer and protected somebody else. I really hope the wolves tried to kill me, if only to qualify how I just gave myself to them on a silver platter. :(

*kicks self several times*

[The Only Real Estel]

Defense noted, malkatoj. Anything else? Because that's not nearly enough to change my mind.

[Gurthang]

Well, I had actually prepared a song for whoever we lost, but it is now unneccessary. Fortunately, I have many happy songs that I can play. *pulls out a fiddle and plays a gloriously happy song*

Now, to business. I was thinking about putting forth my 'Estel/Fea are wolves' theory; but it looks pretty apparent that they are working together for us. Too apparent. :rolleyes: Hiding in the open? We shall see. :p

But I am probably going to vote for Sleepy Ranger again today. As his actions yesterday are completely unjustifiable. Sleepy: convince me otherwise.

Oh, and for conveinience:

DAY 1
Wayne - Gurthang (Gurthang-1)
malkatoj - Wayne (Gurthang-1:Wayne-1)
Hiriel - Wayne (Gurthang-1:Wayne-2)
Bergil - Feanor (Gurthang-1:Wayne-2:Feanor-1)
Feanor - Feanor (Gurthang-1:Wayne-2:Feanor-2)
Eowne - Thinlómien (Gurthang-1:Wayne-2:Feanor-2:Thin-1)
Gurthang - Kitanna (Gurthang-1:Wayne-2:Feanor-2:Thin-1:Kitanna-1)
TORE - Eonwe (Gurthang-1:Wayne-2:Feanor-2:Thin-1:Kitanna-1:Eonwe-1)

No vote:
Jack
Kitanna
Rune
Sleepy
Thin

DAY 2
Sleepy - Bergil (Bergil-1)
Feanor - Sleepy (Bergil-1:Sleepy-1)
TORE - Bergil (Bergil-2:Sleepy-1)
malkatoj -Sleepy (Bergil-2:Sleepy-2)
Rune - Bergil (Bergil-3:Sleepy-2)
Bergil - Sleepy (Bergil-3:Sleepy-3)
Gurthang - Sleepy (Bergil-3:Sleepy-4)
Hiriel - Bergil (Bergil-4:Sleepy-4)
Eonwe - Bergil (Bergil-5:Sleepy-4)
Jack - Bergil (Bergil-6:Sleepy-4)

No Vote:
Thin

Or if you prefer another approach:

Day 1
Gurthang (Wayne)
Wayne (malkatoj, Hiriel)
Feanor (Bergil, Feanor)
Thin (Thin, Eonwe)
Kitanna (Gurthang)
Eonwe (TORE)

Day 2
Bergil (Sleepy, TORE, Rune, Hiriel, Eonwe, Jack)
Sleepy (Feanor, malkatoj, Bergil, Gurthang)

I'll state my thoughts about the voting later.

(And by the way; someone just told me I should kill Rune. I don't know why. :rolleyes: Maybe it's a sign.)

[malkatoj]

All I can say is that it looks like a setup. Bergil probably realized that he'd die fairly soon (due to his stupidity?) so chose someone to 'focus' on. He may be smart indeed,to come up with such a plot, unless he was told to by the other wolves. He voiced suspicion of me on the FIRST DAY. That day, he latched himself onto me and Fea, probably thinking that if he gets killed, you guys would think of the two of us as wolves. Honestly, I ignored him because he sounded dumb. The second day he didn't say much at all, except for what you quoted--
i beleive that no wolves would have voted for him
which, to me, sounds way too obvious as a defense. Even if he is stupid, a wolf would probably realize not to do something like that. He again drew your attention to me, an innocent, and away from the real wolves.

I hope this is enough to convince you. We're most likely going to lose our Seer tonight, and at that point we can't do with losing extra villagers.

[The Only Real Estel]

Bergil semi-attached himself to you (malk) on DAY one so that you could say what you're saying now. When it comes right down to it, the Cobbler quote is just too incrimnating. He wasn't "stupid," as you put it - that post just stuck with me as soon as I read it.

and at that point we can't do with losing extra villagers

Exactly. That's why we plan on lynching you.

Gurthang, I'd love to hear why you persist on SR when there's quite a bit of evidence against malk right now...

edit: I have a theory that I'm finishing up. I'll post it later ( like nine hours from now :rolleyes: :D )

[Gurthang]

First off, Fea: don't feel too bad. I think we can still get this done. Actually, I had just realized what Estel had been talking about (aka you as Seer) when I hit refresh and you said it yourself.

Now, we know that Feanor, TORE, and Hiriel are innocent. The wolves will obvioiusly kill Fea tonight, TOREstel tomorrow night, and Hiriel the next. We have a pretty definite path that the wolves are forced down. If they don't do what I just said, it will mean leaving known innocents alive, something they probably won't do.

So, that leaves us with seven(I'll include myself for now, since nobody but me knows I'm innocent :p ). Let's narrow this down.

I think it's safe to say that Rune and Eonwe are innocent, since they voted to put Bergil ahead when the votes were tied.

Bergil voted for Sleepy. That put them both at three. Which meant that, unless everyone else voted for one other person, either Bergil or Sleepy would die. Not a good strategy if they are both wolves.

Left: Gurthang, Jack, Thin, and malkatoj

Now, these are the four most likely, so I suggest analyze these before others(yes, I hope you'll find me innocent when you look at me). Here's what I think of them:

I'm out. And I'll take Thin out, because it would take a very foolish wolf to not vote on the first two days.

So that leaves Jack and malkatoj as wolves. Look at their votes. Malkatoj's brings Sleepy up to a tie with Bergil, and Jack's looks suspiciously like a late 'I'll vote for a fellow wolf now that he's in the noose' vote. I'm thinking malkatoj will end up getting my vote toDay, and Jack tomorrow.

P.S. I just found a mistake in my lists. Thin did not vote for himself on Day 1; he didn't vote at all.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

edit: I have a theory that I'm finishing up. I'll post it later ( like nine hours from now)
I await it eagerly. We need all the information, theories, and discussion we can get toDAY if the village wants a high chance of survival.

I was thinking about putting forth my 'Estel/Fea are wolves' theory; but it looks pretty apparent that they are working together for us. Too apparent. :rolleyes: Hiding in the open?
All I can say to that, Gurthang, is that if Estel and I were lying, wouldn't the true Ranger and Seer step forward? I mean... perhaps not the Seer, as it would be absolute idiocy for the Seer not to take advantage of wolvish shenanigans like this if that is, indeed, what they were, but surely if this was a lie, the Ranger would refute it?

[Gurthang]

Gurthang, I'd love to hear why you persist on SR when there's quite a bit of evidence against malk right now...


I gave up on that.

Actually, that's what made me suddenly look at Fea as Seer. I noticed she mentioned malk, and that Sleepy jumped on it. I thought two things: Sleepy was a wolf jumping on an innocent, or Sleepy thought Fea was the Seer and supported her. Thinking about option two suddenly made me remember that you, Estel, were pushing malkatoj's death toDay. This made me realize that you thought Fea was the Seer and were accusing malkatoj because of it. That might not be how it really played out, but that was my logic during the last hour or so.

Knowing that Feanor is the Seer puts a lot into perspective. Hence my change from Sleepy to malkatoj/Jack. (See above)

[The Only Real Estel]

Interesting theory, Gurthang.

I'm glad to see that you have reversed track on Sleepy Ranger, at least. I think you are mostly right. Here is part of my theory:

Villagers Left:
------------------
Eonwe: Innocent - she voted at a time when she could've saved Bergil but she did not.

Feanor of the Peredhil: Innocent - now that she's revealed her role to everyone their's no doubt of that.

Jack (aka Folwren): Most likely innocent. Her vote could be made to look suspicious, but I don't think it is. Also, if malkatoj is the 2nd wolf (& I'm banking on the fact that she is), it all but clears Jack because malkatoj tried to link her with Sleepy as possibly wolves. Most likely malkatoj was trying to get our brains moving on two innocents.

Gurthang: Not sure of.

Hiriel: Innocent, Fea dreamed of her NIGHT two.

Malkatoj: Guilty as charged in my opinion. Evidence is as I already listed it.

Rune Son of Bjarne: Likely to be innocent, based on what I've seen in his posts and also he broke a 2-2 tie between Bergil & Sleepy by voting for Bergil. Almost definitly innocent in my mind.

Sleepy Ranger: Almost definitly innocent. He did seem very flip-flopyish, etc., but yesterday he pretty well convinced me he was just an innocent that got turned around & confused.

The Only Real Estel: Ranger as Fea so kindly revealed without even making an attempt at consulting me. :p

Thinlomien: Not much to go on but unlikely to be a wolf IMO. Not voting for two days won't do wonders for your reputation, but if she was a wolf she'd want to avoid not voting at all costs, much less twice in a row.

This leaves us with Gurthang as the top suspect for 3rd wolf with Jack as a distant second.

[Gurthang]

All I can say to that, Gurthang, is that if Estel and I were lying, wouldn't the true Ranger and Seer step forward? I mean... perhaps not the Seer, as it would be absolute idiocy for the Seer not to take advantage of wolvish shenanigans like this if that is, indeed, what they were, but surely if this was a lie, the Ranger would refute it?



ACK! *pulls out hair*

Must I explain everything... I guess so.

I was preparing my big, long, hairy, list-filled speech(post) when you came out with your Seer proclaimation. I didn't hear initially(I was preping post.) When I tried to speak (hit submit), nothing happened. I tried a couple more times, still nothing. So I wrote my thoughts(post) onto a parchment(text document) and left the village(got offline). When I returned, I found that I had said my piece(posted) four times! I hastily removed my extra words from the air(deleted repeated posts). So after all that, I read your proclamation and responded to that(post #147).

I get finished with that, only to find Estel questioning me. So I give him a response, and come back to find another interogation, form Feanor. Maybe this will finally end this cycle.

P.S. If you don't believe me, ask TORE, he saw the quadrupligy.

[The Only Real Estel]

You've spoken well in the last DAY, Gurthang. But the evidence is against you. I will list my case now if I can.

DAY one Bergil encourages us to cut you some slack before we were really considering lynching you. A wolf sticking up for a wolf?

Again on DAY one, when I came across this, posted by malk:
"As promised, i have returned with more suspicions. I had to ask myself the question, who would want to kill a poet? Clearly not Gurthang or Hiriel , as both musicians and librarians enjoy such art forms."

I thought it was interesting. If malk turned up wolven (which is all but confirmed now) I knew I needed to look closer at Hiriel & you. Now Hiriel has been cleared, that leaves you. Clearing people on account of the logic malk used may be in jest or it may not. I am now thinking that it wasn't made only in jest...

Then, after Kitanna's death, you posted this: (post #61)

Posted by Gurthang:
I would believe, however, that the wolves would kill someone who did not directly have contact with them either way. This would leave absolutely no trail.

Voted for Kitanna:
Gurthang

Mentioned by Kitanna:
Eonwe
Wayne
Gurthang
Thinlómien
Folwren
Feanor

Mentioned Kitanna:
Feanor
Rune
Folwren
Gurthang
Hiriel

The fact that you happened to be on all three list of people associated with Kitanna struck me as odd & something to keep my eye on.

Also, you used Kitanna's death as a forum to clear yourself of wolvery:
It would be downright stupid for a wolf to kill the person they voted for, especially if they were the only one to vote for said person. It might be a good bluff, but it would draw far to much suspicion to be effective.

Saying basically that you couldn't be a wolf because Kitanna was killed? Now I see that Kitanna was killed to give you a chance to clear yourself.

You pressed SR for more of a reason for "jumping in" on malk - which isn't bad unless you are trying to throw suspicion on an innocent for jumping on one of your counterparts.

You pressured me for information on the seer, which is not bad in itself, only another piece to the puzzle as the pieces fall into place.

And one more thing: Bergil, malkatoj, & Gurthang ALL voted for Sleepy Ranger last round. Normally the wolves wouldn't want to be grouped together like that, but they no doubt figured they had a good chance of saving Bergil completely (which they nearly did) & so were forced to jump on SR.

That is my case & the facts surrounding it. I'm sure more can be found, but I'm fairly sure we don't need more now...

malkatoj & Gurthang are our final wolves.

[The Only Real Estel]

I am now off for a bit of a rest (sleep), I shall return after my cat nap (8-9 hours or so :p) to see what's been said.

[Gurthang]

malkatoj & Gurthang are our final wolves.


You know, if I wasn't me, I'd look at the evidence and vote for me. Which probably doesn't help me any. :rolleyes:

Oh, and to even further push myself to get lynched: you forgot to mention that I voted for Sleepy to put him ahead of Bergil yesterday.

So what then can I say in defense? Nothing. Everything points to me. I'm not a wolf, but you're not going to believe me anyway, so why bother.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

malkatoj & Gurthang are our final wolves.
I know that my chances of survival are... shall we say... slim? tonight. But is the plan that we lynch malka (who you seem certain of, and your logic impresses me) and I dream of Gurthang just to be certain? As I said before, I'm still not certain on Sleepy, but if you truly think he's innocent, I won't waste the dream.

Oh, TORE, just for posterity's sake, can you tell us who you protected last night? I'll be relieved if it was me, but knowing the luck I had today (running late, failed a psych test, class ran long, late to cs, sore from dance, tripped up stairs, couldn't see a show because I had to write several papers) you dreamt about somebody else. That would just be the perfect end to a long day, that... finding out you spent the night hovering outside Jack's house or something. I hate superfluous revelations. *sigh* Okay... bed time for exhausted little girls like me. Maybe I'll have a nice dream in RL. :)

Can't wait to see what the morning brings.

[malkatoj]

Originally posted by Gurthang :
You know, if I wasn't me, I'd look at the evidence and vote for me.

I know! I feel the same way. With all the evidence pointing in our directions, I think it leaves us with no choice but to do a whole bunch of insane stuff during the day and hope for a really sweet death.

But they can only kill one of us. Or they could be cool and listen to my sig and lynch Calculus.

[Thinlómien]

I'm really sorry that I didn't vote last day, but I've been having time difference problems :( You all post most of your arguments when it's around 02-06 AM my time (GMT +2). And last time I thought that if I voted around 8.30 AM my time I would be in time, but as you have noticed, I was late from the vote. So today I'm going to vote, no matter when.

This has gone very interesting. TORE's and Fëa's ranger+seer theory is quite interesting, and I don't find any holes in it. But, of course, they could be cheating. (For their own fun - I don't believe them being werewolves.)
So if they aren't in count, there are still malkatoj, Rune son of Bjarne, Sleepy Ranger, Jack (Folwren), Eonwe, Hiriel and me. So, who are werewolves?
Rune - difficult to say. Could be a wolf.
malkatoj - there have been good points against her. She is maybe a wolf.
Sleepy Ranger - at first I was quite suspicious about him, but now I'm not so much. I wonder what's that for.
Jack - probably the most difficult. I can't say anything. Can be a wolf, can be innocent.
Eonwe - probably innocent.
Hiriel - seems innocent, but that can be only an illusion. Can't tell.

I'll post more later.

And for further references, I'm a she.

[Gurthang]

malkatoj: please don't talk about me. Hopefully, we will lynch you toDay. When you are proven a wolf, I would like to not have you connected to me.

[Sleepy Ranger]

Sigh... My plan was quite useless in the end but it did help me figure out that Bergil was evil but I would've understood that anyway... As for figuring out who the Seer was, back when Fea point at Malka I was half sure so I said just go for it. Anyway after tieing together a lot of things (and thanks to TORE) I have decided that Malka and Gurthang are the final two wolves but I'm more certain Gurthang is one...
Something I read last night convinced me of this, as soon as I find it I'll put it up.

malkatoj: please don't talk about me. Hopefully, we will lynch you toDay. When you are proven a wolf, I would like to not have you connected to me.

Hmm... In my mind this gets you two more connected...

[Thinlómien]

Exactly, Sleepy Ranger. I think Gurthang made a little mistake there...

Exactly. So now I ask again for you to tell us why you suspect malkatoj. What about this? Isn't it quite obvious that malkatoj and Gurthang are the remaining werewolves? In my opinion it's the correct solution, but never, never can be sure (except after lynching, but then it's too late.)

What about Rune? Usually he appears in a very unwerewolfish way, but he has done one thing that makes me really suspicious. Another thought: Can we afford to have Thinlomien in the village. (Is kind of hidding) I will give Thinlomien another day, if he does not post more i am likley to vote for him! Why would an innocent villager want to vote someone who's just not so active? Shouldn't suspected werewolves be the priority? Perhaps Rune can tell himself.

[Sleepy Ranger]

Why would an innocent villager want to vote someone who's just not so active? Shouldn't suspected werewolves be the priority?

Being inactive without reason often leads to suspicion. It makes people think you have something to hide. Yes, suspected werewolves are the priority but that doesn't mean we should shun off everybody else.

As for my part I did find you guilty at one point and after the lynching of Bergil you were one of my last 3 suspects. But after recent developments I'm pretty certain its Gurthang and Malka.

[The Only Real Estel]

is the plan that we lynch malka (who you seem certain of, and your logic impresses me) and I dream of Gurthang just to be certain? As I said before, I'm still not certain on Sleepy, but if you truly think he's innocent, I won't waste the dream

I'm not 100% sure.

It seems like most everyone is pretty sure of Malkatoj & Gurthang. I was thinking lynch malka, you dream of gurthang &, if he is the last wolf & decides to kill me just out of spite, you could reveal your dream. If he kills you so that you can't reveal for sure than we would go ahead & lynch him on the evidence.

Now, I'm wondering if we shouldn't lynch Gurthang first. I'm am more sure of malka's guilt (in fact, I've never been more sure in this village) than his & would love to find out for sure if he's just blowing smoke here or if he really is an innocent (<---unlikley, in my mind). Should we lynch Gurthang today, knowing that even if he somehow turns out innocent we can always fall back on malkatoj the next day? I'm beginning to like the sound of that more & more...

Posted by malkatoj:
With all the evidence pointing in OUR directions, I think it leaves US with no choice but to do a whole bunch of insane stuff during the day and hope for a really sweet death.

Posted by Gurthang:
malkatoj: please don't talk about me. Hopefully, we will lynch you toDay. When you are proven a wolf, I would like to not have you connected to me.

I agree with SR on this one. It sounds like on one hand malka is trying to ask him if they should just give up while Gurthang is still trying to save face by appearing innocent when malka is proven guilty.

Personally, I'd still like to hear from Rune, Eonwe, Hiriel, & Jack on this...although I am glad to see that Thinlomien has been around. :)

edit: by the way, Fea, I'd rather not reveal my protectees just yet, there's somewhat of a pattern that could be found in them.

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

First i am sorry about all of the He/She mix-up.

The reason i considert voting for Thinlómien was that i was not sure who was a wolf and since you did not post (much) or vote i could not se any use in having you around.

People say that no wolf would ever act like you did, but i am not so sure.
(No one suspected you, so for a wolf it would have been perfect)

Given the recent events i have now changed my mind about voting for you. I will proberbly vote Malkatoj witch i have been a bit suspisius about.

I thought before that Gurthang was innocent, but it seems like i will have to reconsider. (I will read Gurthangs posts before making up my mind)


Damn this town and its different time-zones ! I will not be posting after 6

[Thinlómien]

Being inactive without reason often leads to suspicion. It makes people think you have something to hide. Yes, suspected werewolves are the priority but that doesn't mean we should shun off everybody else.
As for my part I did find you guilty at one point and after the lynching of Bergil you were one of my last 3 suspects. But after recent developments I'm pretty certain its Gurthang and Malka. I understand that being unactive creates suspicions, but I just got the picture that Rune was as much annoyed to my absencies as suspicious.

TORE, could you explain your reasons to lynch Gurthang first? I'm afraid I failed to see the point in there.

I, also, will be posting my vote soon, so I'd like to hear opinions...

First i am sorry about all of the He/She mix-up. That's okay. :)

[The Only Real Estel]

TORE, could you explain your reasons to lynch Gurthang first? I'm afraid I failed to see the point in there.

Sure. I think we should go ahead & lynch Gurthang today. Even if Gurthang should somehow prove to be innocent, we can always lynch malkatoj tommorrow & know that we have a wolf. I'm more interested in finding out for sure about Gurthang today.

And besides, saying that Gurthang turns out innocent (<---very unlikely), we would have all NIGHT, all of the next DAY (since we already know who we're going to lynch [malk]), all of the next NIGHT, & then all of the next DAY to try to pinpoint the final wolf. Whereas if we lynch malk today & then find out that Gurthang is innocent the next day, we have only one NIGHT & one DAY to figure things out.

Hope that makes sense. :)

I'd appreciate any early voters casting their votes for Gurthang. Should we decide to change our minds we'll have enough votes left to lynch malk, but I don't think we'll be switching.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

I agree with TORE about Gurthang. Looking back, I don't like a lot of what he's said. I'd link and quote, but I have a class to be at in about 3 minutes, and it seems pointless to paraphrase TORE when I can so easily say "ditto". My plan as of now:

lynch Gurthang today, lynch malka tomorrow. If those fail, try Sleepy. If we're lynching Gurthang today than I think that I should dream about malka, just to be certain, even if I die. There's always that chance, yeah? *mutters about stupid wolves*

I'll post more after class/shower/lunch.

[Thinlómien]

Sure. I think we should go ahead & lynch Gurthang today. Even if Gurthang should somehow prove to be innocent, we can always lynch malkatoj tommorrow & know that we have a wolf. I'm more interested in finding out for sure about Gurthang today.

And besides, saying that Gurthang turns out innocent (<---very unlikely), we would have all NIGHT, all of the next DAY (since we already know who we're going to lynch [malk]), all of the next NIGHT, & then all of the next DAY to try to pinpoint the final wolf. Whereas if we lynch malk today & then find out that Gurthang is innocent the next day, we have only one NIGHT & one DAY to figure things out.

Hope that makes sense. :)
Yes, it makes sense. I thought you must have a point there.

And for voting Gurthang, I'll probably do so, if I don't get any last-minute ideas - which is very unprobable. (And if I get, I'll share them with you before voting, so don't worry.)

[Thinlómien]

I'm now leaving and thus voting. Since I suspect both Gurthang and malkatoj, but TORE recommends voting Gurthang and I think it makes sense and because I think we all innocent villagers must work together I vote ++Gurthang.
My apologies to Gurthang, if he's innocent.

P.S. Yahey! I voted! This is going to be better!
P.P.S. "See" you all on Saturday! (Or, at least, it's Saturday to me, what is the next Day period for you living in a strange :p time zone, I don't know.)

[Eonwe]

well well well. very nicely done TORE; good pick!

things are looking up for us, i say. one done two to go and two likely suspects. if im not mistaken, we should have quite a few proven innocents, what with three seer dreams, a ranger pick, the ranger, the seer and the hunter. that would make things considerablely easier.

as for me, i don't quite know what to think of malk or gurthang. my innicial reaction is gurthang is innocent, but i haven't really researched either one. that is what i will be spending my time doing (instead of calculus homework :D ). it would seem that both the ranger and the seer council us to vote gurthang. if that is the consensus, that is what i will prolly do, assuming my research turns up what their's did.

all in all, i would say we are doing very, very well. we have plenty of time (if we use it correctly) and will end up with quite a few proven innocents near the end. we should be able to narrow our search considerablely pretty soon.

[Folwren]

You know, it’s kind of sad that the Seer had to uncover both herself and the Ranger. Whatever hopes we had of either of them surviving much longer has just gotten slimmer about 90%, at least.

Gurthang, I don’t know where you get your reasoning from. I’m an innocent bystander and have only acted thus. No inward gifts or anything. I’ve followed false leads, and made false guesses, but you’ll have to allow that of everybody here, besides the wolves.

Gurthang:
So that leaves Jack and malkatoj as wolves. Look at their votes. Malkatoj's brings Sleepy up to a tie with Bergil, and Jack's looks suspiciously like a late 'I'll vote for a fellow wolf now that he's in the noose' vote. I'm thinking malkatoj will end up getting my vote toDay, and Jack/B] tomorrow.

TOREstel has brought all his evidence into play before Gurthang posted this. The evidence that TORE lays out is pretty much irrevocable. Therefore, Gurthang is probably willing to sacrifice Malk in order to escape suspicion himself. (Not like it’s done him any good.) If we lynch Malk today and she’s guilty, he’ll be able to say ‘I told you so’ tomorrow.

As for my name being there...well, maybe I’m an easy target. No one seems to like or dislike me in this game. My arguments can be used for or against me. I’m neither silent, nor overly talkative (too much). I’m not experienced, so my arguments and suspicions have holes in them. And, lastly, I’m a completely regular villager, therefore I have no way to know for certain who’s a wolf and who’s not (except for TORE and Fea, now), so if my accusations prove wrong, everything I said about it can be piled back on top of my head.

But, really, I voted for Bergil the other evening because of an earlier suspicion of mine, and because re-reading what people said previous to the voting, I found more evidence against him than Sleepy.

On Malk’s case...

Following quotes by malkatoj
TORE, in my defense, I was under the impression that Bergil was just an idiot. 'Wolf' and 'Idiot' do not necessarily go together, so I didn't want to vote for him until I had more evidence. My apologies.

All I can say is that it looks like a setup. Bergil [B]probably realized that he'd die fairly soon (due to his stupidity?) so chose someone to 'focus' on. He may be smart indeed, to come up with such a plot, unless he was told to by the other wolves. He voiced suspicion of me on the FIRST DAY. That day, he latched himself onto me and Fea, probably thinking that if he gets killed, you guys would think of the two of us as wolves. Honestly, I ignored him because he sounded dumb. The second day he didn't say much at all, except for what you quoted--

My dear, not only is it rather rude of you to call Bergil stupid and dumb more than once, but I also have to bring to your attention, that generally, villagers want smart people around. Sleepy Ranger isn’t dumb, and he talks more than Bergil did. And as for your ‘He may be smart indeed, to come up with such a plot, unless he was told to by the other wolves’, well, that’s plausible. Perhaps you did know that he’d by dying fairly soon (due to your perception of his stupidity), and you did tell him to latch onto you. But I highly doubt that. I should rather think that you didn’t tell him to, but he did because he’s still a novice at this game and wanted to follow someone’s lead in it. Maybe you told him to latch onto Fea, but at the same time, he also attached himself to you.

I know! I feel the same way. With all the evidence pointing in our directions, I think it leaves us with no choice but to do a whole bunch of insane stuff during the day and hope for a really sweet death.

An innocent may be able to defend him or herself because he is innocent, but I think a wolf may be more willing to stop fighting and hold still during the discussions, perhaps in hopes of making people think that he’s innocent because he doesn’t carry on and on about it. However, if I was in that place, being accuses as Malk and Gurthang are being accused today, I would fight hammer and tongs to stay alive. It’s human nature. Maybe not Werewolf nature, though...

Now, we know that Feanor, TORE, and Hiriel are innocent. The wolves will obviously kill Fea tonight, TOREstel tomorrow night, and Hiriel the next. We have a pretty definite path that the wolves are forced down. If they don't do what I just said, it will mean leaving known innocents alive, something they probably won't do.

Gurthang, it’s a really, super bad idea to tell wolves what to do when it’s going to destroy the village.

Those are just some random thoughts I came up with...for now, I've got to start the day's work. Do what you can with them. I may or may not have more to write later. Ask any questions.

Ah, and TORE, you're right. It may be better to lycnh Gurthang today.

--Jack

[Gurthang]

It's really funny how everything I say is just twisted to make me look more like a wolf. Well :p. If you're so set on killing me, then do it, stop talking about it, and figure out who the other wolf is (besides malkatoj).

(Here comes another oppurtunity for you to make me sound like a wolf, Estel. :p--->) Does anyone think the Hunter should come out also? It would take one more person out of the picture to possibly lynch, and the Hunter probably won't die until four nights from now. (See #147) This means he wouldn't have a chance to hunt until then anyway.

Oh, listen to Estel and Fea, they know mostly what they are talking about. They are only wrong about me. :rolleyes:

[The Only Real Estel]

Interesting thoughts, all. Glad to see everyone is about & not just seconding what I've said (except for Fea, because of time constraints) but actually posting their thoughts and quotes and takes, etc.

Once again, I'm going to post thoughts on the villagers:

Eonwe- Innocent, it comes back to her breaking the Bergil/SR tie

Fea- Seer

Folwren- Most likely innocent

Gurthang- Most likely guilty

Hiriel- Innocent, it comes back to her shedding suspicion on Bergil when few others had

Malkatoj- Guilty in my humble yet firm opinion

Rune- Innocent by all accounts from what I can tell

Sleepy R- Most likely innocent

Thinlomien- Most likely innocent

TORE- Ranger

That leaves really only Gurthang, Jack, & Thin as possibly wolves. I think Thin is very unlikely. I'm wondering, Fea, did you dream of Jack (Folwren on NIGHT one? Because if you did (& you already said you didn't find a wolf) that would narrow the list down even more...although I'm not expecting you to be able to answer for awhile.

[The Only Real Estel]

It's really funny how everything I say is just twisted to make me look more like a wolf

But if you are a wolf trying to sound innocent than it has to be put into perspective - if we let your innocent-sounding comments go unchecked you'll start messing with a lot of heads because you're a good talker.

I don't think the Hunter should come out, Gurthang, though I don't think it's too wolfish of a question. :p

Just so long as you know, Hunter, not to pick either Fea, me, or Hiriel tonight...but I'm sure that goes without saying. I suppose it's really up to you on coming out; I think it's unnecessary but I'm not in charge of you.

[Gurthang]

However, if I was in that place, being accuses as Malk and Gurthang are being accused today, I would fight hammer and tongs to stay alive.

And to what end? Everything just puts me more into everyone's bad graces, so I'm concentrating on saving the village rather than myself.


Gurthang, it’s a really, super bad idea to tell wolves what to do when it’s going to destroy the village.

?!?!?!?

Jack is wolf #3. Just read his post. Kill him after malkatoj.

[The Only Real Estel]

When you're lynched today, Gurthang, we'll look into it. Obviously, if you're a wolf we'll finish up with malkatoj later, if you're not we'll lynch malkatoj & then pay a visit to Jack.

To humour you I'll go over Jack's posts since it is of course a possibility that once malkatoj knew the jig was up she started dropping very unsubtle hints (like the quote I touched on in post #162).

Although I'd like to see you make a longish case for Jack if possible, Gurthang. Put every scrap of evidence you have in it & we'll give it a visit.

[The Only Real Estel]

Vote Analysis:
----------------
Here's what I think of all the votes that have been cast so far:

-------------DAY ONE-------------
*NOTE: TWO VOTES WERE CAST AFTER THE DEADLINE AND CON-SEQUENTLY DELETED*

Bergil- Fea- Rather suspicious as she really hadn't done anything other than be herself

Eonwe- Thin- A little suspicious because it looks like she's being non-comittal be voting for someone random, but Thin hadn't appeared all day

Fea- Fea- Very Fea-like

Folwren- None- Doesn't vote at all. If Gurthang is right & Jack is a wolf this would be a good strategy for a wolf. Don't vote on the first day so you have no trail but give everyone plenty of warning so it's just generally accept the next DAY.

Kitanna- None- I believe she cast a vote late...

Gurthang- Kitanna- Not much logic behind this, basically he was afraid she was a wolf trying to tie herself to him by defending him but he voted late enough that he wouldn't leave a trail (she wasn't going to get enough votes to get lynched)

Hiriel- Wayne- Not to suspicious

Malkatoj- Wayne- Somewhat suspicious reasoning

Rune- None- Time mistake

Sleepy R- None- ?

Thinlomien- None- Not around to vote, somewhat suspicious

TORE- Eonwe- A mostly random vote, not wanting to be responsible for breaking the tie but not feeling Wayne was suspicious enough for my vote

Wayne- Gurthang- Early vote on the basis that Guthang hadn't showed
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----------DAY TWO---------------

Bergil- SR- A vote to save his own wolfish skin

Eonwe- Bergil- Voted when she could've saved her counterpart, therefore unlikely to be wolven

Fea- SR- Voted early with who she thought was most suspicious

Folwren- Bergil- Last to vote, did vote when it was nearly impossible to save Bergil, so Gurthang may have a point

Gurthang- SR- Said he found SR the most guilty looking of the two...could've been voting this way to save his brother-in-murder's fur

Hiriel- Bergil- Voted for Bergil rather early on, likely to be innocent because she drew more attention to him

Malkatoj- SR- Voting to save Bergil

Rune- Bergil- Good vote as it got our lynching episode back on track, definitly unlikely to be a wolf as I believe SR had one more vote than Bergil when he voted

Sleepy R- Bergil- Voting to save himself of course, which is understandable

Thinlomien- None- A bit suspicious to not vote two days in a row, but it's unlikely a wolf would allow such a thing to happen

TORE- Bergil- Found him more suspicious for more concrete reasons that I found SR
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---------DAY THREE-------

Eonwe-

Fea-

Folwren-

Gurthang-

Hiriel-

Malkatoj-

Rune-

Sleepy R-

Thinlomien- Gurthang

TORE-
--------------------------------------

So the most suspicious voters so far would probably be Jack and then Gurthang. For what it's worth.

I would really like to see your case, Gurthang, as I am looking into your accusation. Intreaguing to say the least...

[Folwren]

Originally posted by Gurthang:
And to what end? Everything just puts me more into everyone's bad graces, so I'm concentrating on saving the village rather than myself.

In the hope to live!! Gurthang, you're as good as dead now, so anything you say can't really make your situation any worse! You're at the bottom. If you were really innocent you would try to find your way back out again. If nothing you say can make your situation worse than it is, there's no harm in trying!

But you're not trying. You're sitting around and feeling sorry for yourself and making it a public fact so that maybe it'll trick all of us poor, witless villagers.

Originally posted by TOREstel:
I would really like to see your case, Gurthang, as I am looking into your accusation. Intreaguing to say the least...

I would like to see it, too, actually. Please make it earlier in the day, so that I'll have a chance to defend/explain myself. :D The accusation is intriguing. I marvel at how much trouble a simple, ordinary, and confused villager can get himself into. I work with horses, y'know? They don't argue too much like this...certainly don't sharpen my wits as much as you people do.

-- Jack

[Sleepy Ranger]

Sleepy R- Bergil- Voting to save himself of course, which is understandable

No, I was the first person to vote that day.... I didn't vote to save my skin. I voted because he seemed most suspicious at that time. As for today I had already decided my vote would go to Gurthang before the day started but I'll wait for a while before voting.

[The Only Real Estel]

Well, making peach cobblers all day isn't exactly what I'd call 'wit sharpening' either, but...:p

Folwren, I would like to ask you a question & how you answer it will tell me a great deal:

Yesterday, you voted Bergil. That could be an innocent voting for the person that's is most guilty in his eyes or it could be you tacking on a late vote when Bergil couldn't be saved to make you look good. You said this:

This may be the tie breaker...

You could have been cross-posting with Eonwe so that you genuinely thought the tie breaker was up to you. Or you could have been referring to the fact that Thin could be voting anytime (possibly for SR) so your vote could be the difference. Which is it? Answer carefully & truthfully because it's a big point in my mind...

edit: I can't wait to see Fea's take on the whole Folwren/Gurthang situation since she's now out & about. Also, I'm hoping she'll tell us whether she dreamed of Folwren or not...

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

edit: I can't wait to see Fea's take on the whole Folwren/Gurthang situation since she's now out & about. Also, I'm hoping she'll tell us whether she dreamed of Folwren or not...

I didn't dream of Jack, sadly. I hadn't picked up anything that made me nervous enough to check. Which, if you look at it that way, is a decent sign in itself. If I, the great Fea, do not much suspect you, surely you're innocent. :p ;)

My take on a Folwren/Gurthang duo... sketchy at best. But... I want to see firmer statements from both sides before I comment more. And now... I've actually got to go to another class. But this one's art. Yay. :D

[Folwren]

Golly, I feel like I did when I was being questioned in a mafia game. Well, this time, I could actually look you in the eye without a moment's hesitation.

Originally asked by TOREstel:
You could have been cross-posting with Eonwe so that you genuinely thought the tie breaker was up to you. Or you could have been referring to the fact that Thin could be voting anytime (possibly for SR) so your vote could be the difference. Which is it? Answer carefully & truthfully because it's a big point in my mind...

The honest and complete truth is that I thought when I cast my vote and wrote that post that my vote would be the tie breaker. I cross-posted with Eonwe.

Could you tell me why it's such a big point in your mind?

--Jack

[malkatoj]

Well, reading over the conversation toDay has been very enlightening. TORE , your post in which you explained your suspicion of Gurthang convinced me almost completely, as most of the logic follows extremely well. Gurthang's later post, where he requested that I don't mention him, really sealed it.

I don't know when I'll be able to get on again, so:

++Gurthang

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

++ GURTHANG.

For reasons that should be plain by now. I trust TORE's judgement because A) I know he's innocent and B) he's got great logic, observation skills, intuition, and he just catches on really fast. :D I trust my own judgement, since... well... I'm me. And that means that I'm always right. ;) Since the two judgements meshed so well, I'm going to go with it. I wish I knew for absolute certain of Gurthang and malka's respective guilts, but such is life. At least you guys know to trust in the innocence of me, TORE, and Hiriel. If Gurthang isn't a wolf... Saturday try for Malka.

I've had another thought... maybe it's not so bad that I'm going to die tonight. After all, I'm not going to be around this weekend. Since I'll have very limited internet access (as far as I know, remember) from 1:00 PM tomorrow until late afternoon on Sunday, even if the wolves were to stupidly decide that I'm bluffing and try to kill somebody else, I'd be sitting happy on information on just who yet another person is. I promise y'all that if I don't die tonight, I'll find a way to get to a computer and share the wealth. Even if it means being late to a wedding reception.

Wish me good weekend, darlings. I've got work to do in order to guiltlessly miss class on Saturday. I'll check in later if I can.

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

well i have read it all through some times know and i belive i finally understands all the things that TORE thought he saw, frome the start. After looking at this i started to read all of Gurthangs posts (keeping what TORE said in mind) and i must say it makes sence allthoug Malkatoj is still my main suspect.
Jack is a person i just cannot figure out. . .

and if non of the above mentioned is a wolf, well then we do not deserve to win.

[Gurthang]

Gurthang, you're as good as dead now, so anything you say can't really make your situation any worse! You're at the bottom. If you were really innocent you would try to find your way back out again. If nothing you say can make your situation worse than it is, there's no harm in trying!

But you're not trying. You're sitting around and feeling sorry for yourself and making it a public fact so that maybe it'll trick all of us poor, witless villagers.


I think you are missing the point. Even if I could convince people of my innocence, some would still doubt me. If I survived tomorrow, it would just cause more confusion. So I am 'taking one for the team' and dying toDay. This will prove my innocence, and show everyone that everything I say is true. After that, the village will kill malkatoj and you.

++ GURTHANG.

For reasons that should be plain by now. I trust TORE's judgement because A) I know he's innocent and B) he's got great logic, observation skills, intuition, and he just catches on really fast. I trust my own judgement, since... well... I'm me. And that means that I'm always right. Since the two judgements meshed so well, I'm going to go with it.

I expect an apology later, since you ARE wrong. :p ;)


And as far as making a case against Jack, I may have time later, but I'm pretty busy now.

[Sleepy Ranger]

So I am 'taking one for the team' and dying toDay.

Malka voted for you...hmmm, which team are you taking it for?
Seeing how Malka voted for you something tells me you're taking it for the wolves. Hmmm....

[The Only Real Estel]

Posted by "Jack":
The honest and complete truth is that I thought when I cast my vote and wrote that post that my vote would be the tie breaker. I cross-posted with Eonwe.

Because there is a world of difference in breaking a tie between a wolf & a presumed innocent so that the wolf gets hung & tacking on a last-second vote to an already doomed wolf. The first would take some guts from a wolf point of view, the second would be the easiest desicion in the world for the wolf.

Posted by Rune:
i must say it makes sence allthoug Malkatoj is still my main suspect

Good, then we are on the same page. Although Gurthang conceivably could be telling the truth (could), the evidence is way to strong against malk. It just works out better to lynch Gurthang today.

Posted by Gurthang:
I expect an apology later, since you ARE wrong.

That could be, however you are far too good a bluffer for me to let you off the hook now. Number one, the evidence is still extremely strong & when you second-guess evidence too much you really get in a mess. Number two, I still think you are just a wolf doing a good enough job of bluffing to make me wonder. :p

We've got three votes for Gurthang and 10 villagers. If we could get three more votes we could speed the process along by reaching a majority but I'm not sure if that will happen or not...

[Eonwe]

um im thinking gurthang, as that is the accepted choice it seems. but as usually, i will prolly run out the clock, if nothing gets in the way. sorry, i havn't had much time to research/post today, so i don't really have any strong feelings either way, although malk is seeming a bit more suspicious in my opinion...

edit: cross posted with TORE

ps. if you weren't/aren't the ranger... ;)

[Gurthang]

I have fifteen minutes left before I will be too busy to post, so this will be short.


First, against Jack.

1. He didn't vote Day 1.
2. Day 2 he voted late for an already doomed wolf. (to ease suspicion)
3. He seemed to jump pretty high when I first accused him.
4. See post #147 for my process of elimination.
5. He seems very against me being OK with dying. A wolf would be a lot more worried about staying alive, which he seems to care an awefully lot about.

Not a whole lot, but I don't have the time.


Now, instructions for tomorrow. Fea and I will most likely be dead. Then you will know I am innocent and hopefully listen to this.

1. Kill malkatoj.
2. Kill Jack.
3. Listen to TORE. He knows what he's doing. I don't hold against him that he's accusing me, because the evidence is pointing right to me.
4. Remember who Fea dreamed about: TOREstel and Hiriel

If I'm lucky, I'll be back to vote just before the Day ends, but I won't trust to my luck; it seems to not be with me in this game. So if I don't see you, then this is goodbye.

[Folwren]

Originally posted by Gurthang:
First, against Jack.

1. He didn't vote Day 1.
2. Day 2 he voted late for an already doomed wolf. (to ease suspicion)
3. He seemed to jump pretty high when I first accused him.
4. See post #147 for my process of elimination.
5. He seems very against me being OK with dying. A wolf would be a lot more worried about staying alive, which he seems to care an awefully lot about.

Not a whole lot, but I don't have the time.

1. Can't deny this, can I? I told you that I didn't want to vote Day 1 long before voting was over.

2. I am going to vote late again today. I prefer voting as late as possible so that I can get all the evidence that people are going to put out. Will you blame me if the chap I happen to get lynched is a wolf? Go-olly.

3. Everything I said when I jumped pretty high was true, wasn't it?

4. Your process of elimination isn't quite as good as TORE's, I've noted. Why excuse Eonwe and Rune when your reasons for letting them go is one of the very reasons you're accusing me?
I think it's safe to say that Rune and Eonwe are innocent, since they voted to put Bergil ahead when the votes were tied.
For cryin' out loud man! When I wrote out my post and gave my vote, I, too, was breaking a vote and putting Bergil ahead! I just happened to cross-post with Eonwe, and look where that's put me!
And you rule out Thin because you say it would be very foolish for a wolf not to vote the first two days. Ha. Well, with your reasoning of 'He didn't vote Day 1' you may as well say 'It's not safe for anyone not to vote the first day.

5. Oh, yes...oh, yes, I do care an awful lot about staying alive, actually. I'm completely honest with you - I have been the entire game - and I won't deny that I'm rather keen on staying alive.

I hope that that will help clear me and not make people suspect me any more. Anyone who thinks this is a rather violent defense of myself may as well just accept it, because this is how I'm always going to defend myself...this game, last game, next game...anytime. Make note of it.

--Jack

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

I thought i would never trust another person in Fwedawick so much, as to let them deside my vote ! :eek:

But here goes !

++Gurthang

But no fear Gurthang, if you are innocent i for one are planing on doing as you just said.

[Sleepy Ranger]

Its pretty much confirmed now whats what and even if Gurthang turns out to be innocent we still pretty much have things under control. But then again theres always something else that could happen and if it does I know what I'm going to do. Anyway I don't know how much longer I'll be on so I'll cast my vote.

++Gurthang

[Eonwe]

well, good by gurthang. votes stand (im pretty sure, nobody put VOTE in their title ;) ):

Thinlomiel: Gurthang
Malk: Gurthang
Fea: Gurthang
Rune: Gurthang
Sleepy Ranger: Gurthang

five of ten and no double lynches...may you be a wolf gurthang!

[Eonwe]

well, im not gonna be able to get on for a while, and since i guess gurthang is dead, i will cast my token vote.

++Gurthang

[The Only Real Estel]

My vote (in case you hadn't figured it out yet): ++ Gurthang

My reasons: Already stated many times

Now. I will not be around until NIGHT has already fallen. Most likely the wolves will kill our seer, but no matter who they kill - Fea, me, or Hiriel - stick to the plan.

If Gurthang is a wolf we all know to lynch malkatoj next.

If Gurthang is not a wolf - lynch malkatoj anyway. Don't let anyone tell you different, the evidence is way too strong. After that, I suggest that Jack would be the next logical choice but I probably won't be around that long so it'll be up to you all.

Oh, and Fea. You once asked me if I protected you or not. What if I am not the Ranger at all & have just been playing like I was? And what if the Ranger didn't protect you last night? Just something to chew on...;) :p

[The Only Real Estel]

Sorry for the double post but some more food for thought:

Perhaps Jack wouldn't be the third wolf if Gurthang is proved innocent (which I hope he won't be). Bergil did say that he thought "no wolves would have voted" - Jack did not vote. That could've been a bluff but I think it unlikely.

I've always thought Eowne to be innocent but she has been somewhat noncommital & her vote for Bergil could have been a bold way to clear her of suspicion...sorry if I'm confusing, but I'm just throwing some thoughts out there.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Oh, and Fea. You once asked me if I protected you or not. What if I am not the Ranger at all & have just been playing like I was? And what if the Ranger didn't protect you last night? Just something to chew on...;) :pCome now, TORE. If you aren't the Ranger, than it's pretty damned obvious that I'm not the Seer. :D

[Hiriel]

Goodness, I've missed a lot.

I've always thought Eowne to be innocent but she has been somewhat noncommital & her vote for Bergil could have been a bold way to clear her of suspicion..

Yeah, both Eonwe and Rune I've thought innocent throughout, but Rune has voiced some strong suspesions early on and Eonwe has mostly lain back. It could indeed be a plot to keep a "quiet" wolf among the villagers to take out all the gifteds even though we hang Gurthand and Malkatoj (one of whom, I agree, is deffinitely guilty, if not them both. Personally I am more certain of Malkatoj) As for the aacusations of Jack, I think that's scambling on Gurthang's part.

4. Your process of elimination isn't quite as good as TORE's, I've noted. Why excuse Eonwe and Rune when your reasons for letting them go is one of the very reasons you're accusing me?

I side with Jack here, and this further highlights Eonwe in my mind. (I don't have much time, alas, to back this up. But my gut trusts Rune) If Gurthang doesn't turn out to be a wolf, Eonwe's someone to deffinitely watch out for. But all the arguments by TORE seem sound to me. Doesn't seem to be anything more to weigh in on, save to say that I hope, as far as killing the proven innocents go, I go before TORE or Fea. Sorry that I didn't get to post anything else today. Real life distractions. *sighs*
Any road, I'll go along with the plan.

++ Gurthang

[Folwren]

Not that it matters much any more. But, to keep myself out of trouble with people, I'll vote.

++Gurthang.

If he's innocent (which I doubt he is) don't just assume that I am a wolf. We all will have made a mistake - including TORE and Fea.

-- Jack

[Glirdan]

And time!! Expect Gurthang's death shorlty.

[Glirdan]

The villagers assembled in the square once again, but not for happy disscussions on who they thought was a wolf, like they did a few time that day, but to condemn one to death.

Quite a few villagers were suspected that day and they were certain that they had found another wolf. How could anyone argue against The Only Real Estel's arguments?

The tied Gurthang's hands behind his back and brought him to the gallows. As the villager holding Gurthang walked up the steps with Gurthang, the gallows collapsed. Lukily, they both lived. "What do we do now?" asked one villager
"The gallows was are only means of lynching villagers!!" said another.
"I've got an idea!! Let's use his instruments!!" suggested one. This was met with a chorus of cheers and applause. They led Gurthang to his house and mad hime kneel on the ground and wait as they brought out his instruments and started beating him with them. Eventually, the gasps of pain from Gurthang ceased. He was dead, but he did not transform. The villagers just killed one of their own.

Dead
Glirdan (mod) - got a quill throught the head on Night 1
Wayne (Cobbler) - lynched by villagers on Day 1
Kitanna (ordinary villager) - Died of Alchool poisoning on Night 2
Bergil (Wolf) - stabbed with silver blade on Day 2
Gurthang (ordinary villager) - beaten to death by his own instruments on Day 3

Alive
Eonwe
Feanor of the Peredhil
Jack (aka Folwren)
Hiriel
Malkatoj
Rune Son of Bjarne
Sleepy Ranger
The Only Real Estel
Thinlomien

*Wolves, start PMing. I need a name from the Seer, Ranger, Hunter and Wolves. Remember to send them to both myself and The Perky Ent.

[Glirdan]

The village of Fwedawick woke up the next morning, hoping against hope that the Ranger was once again successful in protecting a village. They assembled in the town square for the daily head count and were not surprised, yet still upset, to find that one of their own was missing. The villager's walked over to The Only Real Estel's house and walked in, not wanting to think about what grizzly scene woulod meet them inside.

They walked into the living room. No one was there. They checked the kitchen, the garden, outhouse, and cupboards. Nothing. They checked the bedroom and finally found him, but in a peculiar way. He looked as if he was asleep. They walked up to him and saw that his eyes had been gouged out and replaced by peaches. The strange thing was that they couldn't find his eyes, and then another strange thing met them. "PIE!!!" said one villager and the villager took it and the fork that was conviently placed with the pie and dug in. "Mmm!! Good-" he stopped in mid scentence and everybody paniced as they heard a gaging sound from the villager. Thinlomien, the village healer, rushed up and started hitting the villager on the back. As he did so, the villager threw up, and everyone screamed, one even fainted. With the regurgitation came The Only Real Estel's eyes. If the villagers weren't so busy screaming, they probably would have heard the sniggers of delight that came from the Wolves inside the house....

Dead
Glirdan (mod) - got a quill throught the head on Night 1
Wayne (Cobbler) - lynched by villagers on Day 1
Kitanna (ordinary villager) - Died of Alchool poisoning on Night 2
Bergil (Wolf) - stabbed with silver blade on Day 2
Gurthang (ordinary villager) - beaten to death by his own instruments on Day 3
The Only Real Estel (Seer) - eyes gouged out and replaced with peaches on Night 4

Alive
Eonwe
Feanor of the Peredhil
Jack (aka Folwren)
Hiriel
Malkatoj
Rune Son of Bjarne
Sleepy Ranger
Thinlomien


*Wolves, stop PMing. Villagers, do your thing.
**Just a reminder, The Perky Ent will be taking over for me tomorrow as I have a wedding to go to. I should be back for Night 5's death however.

[Folwren]

*whispers* No.

(See Sig.)

Fea...a little help? Speculation? Suspection? How can this be?!

-- Jack

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

I feel I should probably explain something. (insert groans at the obviousness of that fact). I made a rather large mistake. And then I made another one. Jack is quite obviously not the seer (mistake number one) and so though I protected him the other night from the wolves (who obviously made the same mistake), my ruse at trying to get myself killed instead of Jack was relying on the fact that TORE was innocent, and that the wolves weren't going to try to kill him (though at one point, I wanted them to, as I was going to protect him, and I thought two successful saves in a row would be fantastic).

Now that plan was screwed up when TORE decided to mess with my ruse late into the whole thing (thanks for going along with it, ol' boy. Fantastic use of subtlety and catching on and all that) by saying "What if I'm not really the Ranger?" and all of that. Duh he's not the Ranger, I am. I assure you, I don't really know what I'm talking about. Which is why, at that point, TORE made me wonder if he was a clever wolf, because, you see, my ruse was really very dependent on his innocence, and why would an innocent screw it up! Especially one so bright?

So yeah... Big mistake. As I thought TORE was a wolf at that point, I made a point to protect um... Eonwe. Completely at random. Because I couldn't protect Folwren again, I couldn't protect myself, and I guessed that if TORE was a wolf (likely) that my plan was screwed anyhow, since he was going to know, as I so aptly put it yesterday, that "if he's not the Ranger, I'm damned well not the Seer".

Does any of this make sense now?

In any case... yeah... here's another "oops" for you, and here's the only advice I'm going to be able to give you this weekend:

Kill malkatoj. If there was one thing TORE was certain about, it was that one. Oh, that and my innocence. Even if I'm no other use, having screwed up so royally, and being out of town this weekend (go being up at 3:30 in the morning at random and finding the internet going), know that you can leave me alive and win for it... maybe. Also, assume that Jack is innocent. Wolves can't kill themselves, and I stopped that very thing from happening.

As for Hiriel, I picked Hiriel at random because I needed a third "dream" and didn't want to draw suspicion to my [damn... so very wrong] Seer Folwren.

PS: Freaking TORE, why'd you have to go and say something stupid to make me think you were guilty? I was dead set to protect you the entire bleedin' time up until then! Ugh.

PPS: see everyone Sunday night.

[Sleepy Ranger]

Damn it! This was totally unexpected. This proves every single one of my theories wrong! Malak should be the next one to go. As for the third wolf... with Gurthang and TORE gone we only have Fea to try and get things clear but since she won't be here I guess I'll try my best to get things in order and hopefully we'll have other people come front with other theories, things are gonna get messy now but if we stick together we can see this through.

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

If we assume that Fea is telling the truth. Then the main suspect must be:

1. Malkatoj

2. Thinlomien (first no votes and then Gurthang)

3. Sleepy (might have votet for Bergil not to be attached, he was the first to vote and there for could not know that Bergil would be lynched. This is unlikely thoug!)

[Sleepy Ranger]

3. Sleepy (might have votet for Bergil not to be attached, he was the first to vote and there for could not know that Bergil would be lynched. This is unlikely thoug!)

Actually I'm not a wolf and this has been discussed before and I dare say most people accept the fact that I'm innocent. Anyway seeing how TORE being the seer has caused all my plans to collapse I have come up with a few more things.

Feanor of the Peredhil - Innocent
Jack (aka Folwren) - By the original plan hes to be lynched after Malka but I'm not so sure.
Hiriel - Innocent (?)
Malkatoj - Wolf
Rune Son of Bjarne - Innocent (?)
Thinlomien - Innocent (?). I dunno I suspect her for some reason but I think shes already been proved innocent...

^ Don't go by that just putting it there for no reason...

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

Actually I'm not a wolf and this has been discussed before and I dare say most people accept the fact that I'm innocent

Yes but so have most people and they to seems to be innocent. The thing is that after TORE's death things have changed.

Eonwe - most likely to be innocent

Feanor of the Peredhil - My theory is built on the fact that she is innocent. . .l

Jack (aka Folwren)- cannot be a wolf since he was attempted murdert.

Hiriel - most likely innocent.

Malkatoj - Wolf

Sleepy Ranger - likely to be inocent, but not sure.

Thinlomien - Suspect has only voted for Gurthang witch all did. . . (yes she did vote first, but it was already at that poiny clear that it would be Gurthang)

P.S. I will leave now, since i have to visit my baby-brother (Born yesterday 3 in the afternoon) before going to see football! :)

[Folwren]

I don't know what to think or what to say.

Fea...I know you can't answer this question, but perhaps voicing it will give the others something to think about...am I correct in thinking that if you protected me two NIGHTS ago, and on that night, the wolves attempted to kill me, I am as proved innocent as though the Seer had dreamt of me and said that I was?

TORE being the seer...I'll warrant Malkatoj is guilty without question.

He was wrong about Gurthang, though.

Remember, he had three dreams. Who did he know about before he died?

I don't have time to speculate - for real and not for pretend I have to go clean out my horses' pen. Will try to be back later.

Oh...best tell you my main suspects:

Malkatoj
Eonwe or Thin
And possibly Sleepy.

Consider those four. Don't lynch them all - we only need two. I really do apologize for not being able to write any more and tell you why I suspect people. I'm going to be thinking, though, while I work.

(And, those I just listed, don't get offended...remember...we have to start somehwre...)

-- Jack

[Thinlómien]

I had just formed a theory nearly proving Fea and TORE being very clever and nasty wolves, but since TORE's now dead I must admit it was a damn stupid theory. :rolleyes:
Malka is probably a wolf - we all seem to think so. I'm currently trying to figure out when she was first suspected and why and what has she said, because these things may give new clues about the other wolves.
Hiriel, might be a wolf, because Fea wasn't the seer, and so she didn't dream about her. I don't still really suspect her.
Sleepy has convinced me that he's innocent. (Don't ask by what, because it's by all or almost all of his posts.)
Rune might be a wolf (and a damn good gamer). His first posts are very unwolfish, but lately he hasn't posted anything that supports his innocence.
Eonwe is really difficult to say about. No clue.
Jack was just proven innocent by Fea. I don't suspect Fea because she clearly had somekind of alliance with TORE, and unless TORE was fooled, Fea is innocent.
I'll post more soon.

[Thinlómien]

I found something really interesting:
I said i would and now I will vote for ++Gurthang.
Wayne was the cobbler, so he knew who were wolves. Why would he have voted for a wolf (in a such an early phase)? This proves Gurthang was innocent. If we have found this earlier, poor Gurthang might have been saved from our folliness. Stupid me.

edit: I got this message from Glirdan: What you just said about Wayne is completely wrong. The Cobbler didn't know who the Wolves are. They never have, unless he was PMing everyone secretly, but he wouldn't do a thing like that. Good theory though.
So I was wrong. Why I didn't delete this post is because it awakes suspicions if someone deletes posts. So try no to get annoyed with this stupid post :)

[Sleepy Ranger]

I had just formed a theory nearly proving Fea and TORE being very clever and nasty wolves, but since TORE's now dead I must admit it was a damn stupid theory.

Looks like I wasn't the only one... :p
Anyway about Fea shes innocent, she was the first person TORE dreamt of. Go back and read his posts, he said...

Page#3, Post#96
Any more suspicion of Fea is just wasted time & breath. Unless I grossly misunderstand the seer's hint, Fea is innocent as the pure & wind driven snow.

Which is why Fea's seer plan was bound to fail. Sigh, their plan was faulty... which is why you should always go through the posts again before doing something like that.

malkatoj Page#1, Post#18
Clearly not Gurthang or Hiriel , as both musicians and librarians enjoy such art forms.

Well Gurthang's been proved clean now what about Hiriel? We should look more into this matter.

I must go now I'll check for more later.

[Thinlómien]

Seems I'm the only one active at the moment (except Sleepy). I would really, really like opinions on who's a wolf and defenses from suspected people (I know malka and Rune at least are not going to appear, which is sad, because they're close to be my main suspects), because I'm probably voting soon :(.
The malkatoj-research didn't tell me anything new, except that some of the suspicions started from Bergil's post what wolves do and what they don't do. Most of this discussion is found on pages 3 and 4, but I don't think the discussion is very useful in further suspicions. But, of course, I've maybe not noticed something.
And everybody who suspect me, please note that my 'not votings' are because of misunderstandings. First, I didn't know the game had even begun, because I didn't visit the Downs last weekend. The second time, I had problems with time differences. You should already know this, if you have read my previous posts.

I'll probably vote for malkatoj this time, because TORE the Seer was so sure about her, so he probably had dreamed about her. But if malka isn't a wolf, I don't have a clue who are the wolves, who clearly then are quite intelligent or have a good bluffing skill at least. I thought this was an easy mystery, but this seems to get more complicated...

[Folwren]

Okay, I don't have long...we're going someplace for all afternoon. I will be back and will be able to do a lot of talking between the hours of roughly 5 or 6:00 EST and 10:30 EST. I'm not sure when we're returning home.

I have formed no real suspects, besides Malka.

We may want to pay attention to who's being quiet today..............

-- Jack

Remember. Malka is to by lynched today. I've a feeling TORE knew all about her, if you see what I mean.

[Thinlómien]

I vote for ++malkatoj. (If you need to, see reason a few posts earlier.)

I'm now leaving and I won't be here until monDay.
See you then!

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Actually I'm not a wolf and this has been discussed before and I dare say most people accept the fact that I'm innocent.
I don't. I never stopped suspecting. But you're lucky that this is going to be my only post all weekend, and I'm in a hurry, so I can't elaborate.

Fea...I know you can't answer this question, but perhaps voicing it will give the others something to think about...am I correct in thinking that if you protected me two NIGHTS ago, and on that night, the wolves attempted to kill me, I am as proved innocent as though the Seer had dreamt of me and said that I was?
As far as I'm aware. Surely wolves can't kill themselves at night, and since I KNOW that you are the one they tried to kill (yes, you were protected two nights ago), that puts you on the list of known innocents.

TORE was fooled, Fea is innocent.
TORE can't have been fooled as he dreamt about me and would know I'm Ranger. I find it completely ironic that I accused him of having my role while adopting his. I had assumed he was simply an ordo, at best a Hunter, but never suspected as Seer. Oops. If he hadn't said that one stupid thing about "maybe I'm not the Ranger" he'd be alive right now. :(

Wayne was the cobbler, so he knew who were wolves
Untrue.

Finally, as I"m out the door...

++MALKATOJ

[Sleepy Ranger]

To start this off we'll have to go back to post#11 where Eonwe states that we should all use logical reasoning.

anyway, some more stuff. as we go on, could we all give our suspicions of peole and then back them up. so instead of just saying "i don't like how XXXXXX voted." say, "this XXXXXXX is what a wolf would accomplish by voting this way."

Next lets head over to post#20 where Eonwe states that we should vote randomly.

so yes, i too think random voting will have to do.

And after that he votes for Thinlomien randomly. (#52)

so lets go everyone. i think i will vote for thin. randomly.

Now lets look at Gurthang's list on Kitanna (#61)

Mentioned by Kitanna:
Eonwe - Suspected
Wayne - Cobbler (Dead)
Gurthang - Innocent (Dead)
Thinlómien - Suspected
Folwren - Innocent
Feanor - Ranger

Mentioned Kitanna:
Feanor - Ranger
Rune - Innocent (?)
Folwren - Innocent
Gurthang - Innocent (Dead)
Hiriel - Suspected

Hmm...Though Eonwe never mentioned Kitanna one of his post was directed at her something having to do with everybody voting (posts #12 and #13).

Perhaps Kitanna was onto something but didn't have a chance to find out? Maybe we should look into this as well...

Another thing I just found out, (Post#124, Bergil vote on Sleepy)
this is partly for self-preservation I admit, but people don't seem to think Fea is guilty (I'm not even so sure anymore), he might be a wolf and, 1 muinate after he recieved his 1st vote, he responded to Eonwe's innocent statement of

Hmm... Now that Bergil has been found out as a wolf could this mean something? A wolf protecting a wolf perhaps?

IMPORTANT

Post#188 (Eonwe on TORE
ps. if you weren't/aren't the ranger...
It may be nothing but it does make you think, doesn't it?

[Sleepy Ranger]

Many people are finding it hard to believe that I am innocent, while browsing through this thread I have come across something that can prove my innocence, in fact I believe I have come across TORE's third dream.

Lets start off with Post#121-
In fact, I'm going to go ahead & ask the Seer to please dream of Sleepy Ranger this following NIGHT so that we will know for sure.

Now TORE was the seer, perhaps he is telling us who he will dream off...
Moving on to Post#137-
Now, I’m beginning to wonder if it wasn’t so smart of me to ask the seer to dream of Sleepy Ranger last night. He/she probably was going to anyway, & now the seer can’t safely leave a hint because the wolves will be all over it.

Is he trying to throw the wolves off him so that he can safely drop a hint? It seems that way.

Now he drops a series of hints to prove my innocence-

Post#146
Gurthang, I'd love to hear why you persist on SR when there's quite a bit of evidence against malk right now...

Look closely, is he trying to tell us something other than malk being a wolf?

Post#150
Sleepy Ranger: Almost definitly innocent. He did seem very flip-flopyish, etc., but yesterday he pretty well convinced me he was just an innocent that got turned around & confused.

There you go. He pretty much said it there.

Post#172
Sleepy R- Most likely innocent

Hopefully this is enough to prove my innocence. I do believe TORE said it himself. :)

[Hiriel]

Eek. I get on late thinking to find Feanor gone and TORE's logic still among us. This is a gutstaber and no mistake. *sighs* Can't be on long, but here's my thoughts:

Innocents
Feanor: TORE trusted him impicitly, and he's admitted to being the ranger. If we doubt Fea, then we're back to square one.

Jack: Was protected by Fea the night no one died, so long as we trust Fea. Which I do, at any rate. The wolves don't turn on each other, at least not at night. Jack's innocent.

Hiriel: Well, I know I'm innocent, but to prove it the rest of ya'll, I cite that both Fea and TORE (even though Fea did not in fact dream of me, he backed up TORE, who could have) counted me as completely, proven innocent. Why would they do that if they had doubts about me? Why not just say they didn't suspect me at the time? I also tied the vote between Sleepy and Bergil when there were still more votes for Sleepy. If I was a wolf, I could have saved Bergil from the noose. A wolf, while the vote was still up in the air, wouldn't vote for another wolf.

Sleepy Ranger: What clears him in my mind is that he was the first person to vote, and vote correctly for a wolf. Why would he not try to, if he was a wolf, cast suspicion on someone else the whole day? Or use his vote to try and build a bandwagon for one of the innocents? I could understand if it looked as though Bergil was going to be hanged all along and there was not any real hope of saving him, SleepyRanger!Wolf voting for Bergil to save his identity, but I can't see a wolf casting unnessisary suspicion on a fellow wolf who was certainly on people's list, but wasn't likely to be hanged when SR voted. EDIT Also what Sleepy said in defense of himself. I'd forgoten TORE asked the Seer to dream about him.

Probable Innocents:
Rune: He's been very logical the whole game, his voting pattern is pretty solid and he looks to me unwolfish. Now, I haven't seen anything that would clear him entirely, but he's not at all my top suspect. Rune's only quirk is that he keeps gunning for Thinlomien, who I haven't seen much evidence for, one way or the other. I dunno why that is, Rune's not the Seer, but maybe I'm missing something.

Thinlomien: This is gut feeling. I've not seen any damning evidence for Thin, other than the lack of votes. As for those, I accept Thin's reasons why he was confused. Lord knows that could have been me, if I wasn't so bored on Day 1. I've not seen anything to clear Thin entirely, but I'm 70% sure.

Now, that leaves Malkatoj and Eonwe. Eonwe...I'm now about 55% sure that Eonwe's a wolf. All the points SR brought up make sense to me. I'd already had in mind Bergil's assertation of Eonwe's innocence early on. I've just seen less redeeming points on Eonwe's part. He voted late for Bergil, and even though he broke the tie between Sleepy and Bergil, it was pretty clear that Jack ( who voted last) was going to vote for Bergil anyway. Also: TORE voted for Eonwe Day 1. He said it was for completely baseless reasons, however, I doubt TORE did anything in this game that was baseless. He couldn't very well have said, "Um, guys, I had a dream last night that Eonwe was really hairy."

As for Malk, our Seer was sure in counting Malkatoj as a wolf, and I trust TORE. So, even though I might weigh in on whatever comes up later on today, I want to vote early.

++Malkatoj

[Sleepy Ranger]

I'm out for the day-

++Malkatoj

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

Rune might be a wolf (and a damn good gamer). His first posts are very unwolfish, but lately he hasn't posted anything that supports his innocence.

Just because i suspect you does not mean i am a Wolf !
It just mean that i am a confused villager who is having trouble finding the last wolf !

If i should judge people by there votes i would stick with what i postet earlyer!

But if i were to look at statements and who people attached them selfs too. I could ad Eonwe to the list

Hiriel
Fea innocent's
Jack



P.S. Denmark 1 Greece 0 Odin vs Zeus
P.P.S. Odin = Lord Of The Rings

[Eonwe]

sorry. work...work was awesome...

right, in keeping with our late seer's wishes:

++malkatoj

ok that's done, let's get down to business.

and first for business, as sleepy ranger appears to be chief prosecutor, i will adress this to him. can i take it that most of your argument comes from post 217? because i think that a very shaky arguement (no offence, but i do have somethink for each point).

you seem to think there is some kind of discontenuity between the first post (you don't give the number, and i don't know it), and teh second statemen aobut random voting. let me first say i am very displeased by the your wording "Eonwe states that we should vote randomly". do you think there is a better way to vote on day one. there was next to nothing known at the close of day one. even TORE voted randomly. (i will here try to anticipate your reaction of, "yes but TORE as the seer could have had inside information.) TORE never made any light of any eonwe dream, nor voiced any suspicion later on. so i think we can conclude that it was indeed a random vote.

Kitanna - Eonwe link? i don't think she was ever really suspicios of me (or anyone, poor soul didn't last long enough). I certainly never felt anything from her. It is kind of hard for anyone to hit too near teh target on DAy one...

on to your next point, this one is even more disappointing. i think you quite take it out of context. Bergil was saying nothing of either my innocence or guilt. the comment was voicing suspicoin of none other that you my friend, based on your comment about me. i guess i should quote in full the post...

The Phantom would be proud appearing so much in a game he isn't in. I will cast my vote for

++Sleepy Ranger

this is partly for self-preservation I admit, but people don't seem to think Fea is guilty (I'm not even so sure anymore), he might be a wolf and, 1 muinate after he recieved his 1st vote, he responded to Eonwe's innocent statement of
:
sometimes i hate werewolf.
turning it into a freudian slip
:
Only sometimes? Hmmm... Do you mean to say that you like or support the werewolves at other times?

and for the analytical line, I just didn't know if he usually acted that way

as for the very end, i don't think that is that important. apperently, you are taking this entirely wrong. you seem to think that i am just figuring out that TORE is not the ranger. no. how could i have know. you have to take someone at their word when the real ranger doesn't raise their hand. (if im not reading waht you are saying right, please let me know. but im sure i can give you something for that, too :) ) waht i was really saying was, if TORE was a wolf, we are screwed. fortunately he wasn't. :)

all in all, i think you take most of my word out of context or twist them. if you hadn't provided such compilling evidence that TORE knew of your innocents, i would highly suspect you. sigh....

[Eonwe]

ok here's how it breaks down for me:

Eonwe: I know im innocent. i count sr's suspicions as baseless, and a bit offending, considering how much was taken out of context.


Feanor of the Peredhil: Um, waht are you now? the ranger? right, right, gotcha. :) obviously innocent.


Jack (aka Folwren): obviously innocent. saved by ranger = innocent.


Hiriel: not much to go on. could go either way.


Malkatoj: wolf


Rune Son of Bjarne: not much to go on. could go either way.


Sleepy Ranger: he put forth a pretty convinsing argument for his innocence. all the same, i don't like the way he attacked me. i think an innocent would have used much sounder logic.


Thinlomien: well now. i don't rigtly know.


so, i would council looking primarily into Hiriel, Rune, and i think i'll keep Sleepy Ranger on the table for now.

It really is too bad that TORE couldn't tell us all his dreams before he died. that would narrow the scope considerablely...

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

Since we have not been able to get a good discution going today and find the last wolf. I will do as the rest and vote ++Malkatoj

The reason i am suspecting Thinlomien (and others) again is that the ones i thought might be guilty was Malkatoj, Jack and Gurthang.

Gurthang we killed

Jack it cannot be

Malkatoj we are going to kill

were does that leave me ?

Keep in mind that i am no genius at analysing what people say and do. I am no TOREstel ! ;)

P.S. Is this transforming in to a TOREstel cult ? Cool, count me in. :D

[Folwren]

Okay, guys, I hope TORE knew what he was talking about. I don't need to vote...Malk is dying tonight without question.

I don't have much to say, either. I read the posts and have come up with the conclusion that the other wolf (assuming that Malk really is the guilty one) is probably Eonwe. However, I'm not one hundred percent sure. No one is, in fact. We still have tomorrow (Sunday) and the next DAY (Monday) to research her posts (and others) and see what things turn out to be.

Eonwe...your defenses for yourseld don't help your case much. You saying that an innocent will come up with more convincing arguments is bogus. People can only go what they have, even if they don't have much. (See my post against SP.)

One thing - we must all be careful about who our Hunter is.........

-- Jack

[Eonwe]

Eonwe...your defenses for yourseld don't help your case much. You saying that an innocent will come up with more convincing arguments is bogus. People can only go what they have, even if they don't have much. (See my post against SP.)

That's true. you can't completely make something up and expect it to hold water. and every thought counts. But ask yourself, "What is a wolf up to right now." Ask yourself, "waht is an innocent up to?" if i was answering those quetions, i would say, "a wolf it trying to throw suspicion around. an innocent is trying to get to the bottom of the matter." i think sp's points against me were nought but slinging of suspicion. NOTE: AS FAR AS IM CONSERNED, SR IS PRETTY MUCH IN THE CLEAR, DUE TO HIS POINTS ABOUT TOREstel. but can you at least see how there isn't much substance behind SR's accusations? (and how an accusation without substance is more wolfish than innocent?)

[Hiriel]

But ask yourself, "What is a wolf up to right now." Ask yourself, "waht is an innocent up to?" if i was answering those quetions, i would say, "a wolf it trying to throw suspicion around. an innocent is trying to get to the bottom of the matter." i think sp's points against me were nought but slinging of suspicion. NOTE: AS FAR AS IM CONSERNED, SR IS PRETTY MUCH IN THE CLEAR, DUE TO HIS POINTS ABOUT TOREstel.

Eonwe, quit while you're behind. You're contradicting yourself. If you think SR is throwing suspicion around and acting wolfishly, how can you put him in the clear, even though he has the endorsement of TORE? (btw, Rune, I totally agree. This game has turned into the TOREstel cult of late.)


"One thing - we must all be careful about who our Hunter is.........


Herm. I agree. The hunter's slunk below the radar this whole game. But really, I think all the hunter has to know is not to kill Feanor or Jack or SR or the proven innocents. The rest of them are fair game, and it'll have to rely on the hunter's judgement. By keeping our hunter in the shadows, he or she's more likely to get a wolf now that we're down to so few villagers.

[Eonwe]

i can't quit! :) especially when your not tellng the whole story. quote the last two sentences and put the "pretty much" in, please!

what im trying to say is that, if it wasn't for a weird type accusation, SR would be in teh clear. he does put forth some nice evidence. but (in my mind) it is A BIT counterbalanced by some not quite clear behavior. let me be quite explisit (this is what i've been trying to say the whole time): Sleepy Ranger checks out except for a bit of strange behaviour (ie, falty accusations). If i could clear that up, everything is good.

I hope that makes things clearer. I don't think i contradicted myself in saying that someone is looking innocent, exept for one small bit, did i.

[The Perky Ent]

TIME!


Expect Malkatoj's Death shortly!

[The Perky Ent]

There was a great sense of accomplishment in the village today. Everyone had prepared for the emergence of a wolf today, since they had been fully convinced that Malkatoj was indeed the wolf. The villagers had seen their members die from quills, alcohol, instruments, peaches, and other horrible means. They would not tolerate failure. Slowly, they gathered


Malkatoj had been bound and gagged, leaving no means for any defense. The villagers were a little uneasy by the fact that no wolf had tried to defend themself at this point, but continued to pick up the supposed-wolf, and pull her off to the pond. When they arrived, Malkatoj was calm, no sign of fear in her face. In fact, Malkatoj was the only villager at that moment that was not worrying, the others pondering in their head why a fencer wouldn't defend themselves. But, what had to be done would be done, and so they dropped her right in front of the pond.

"Malkatoj, for inexcusable crimes of serial murder, slanderous lies, and masquerading around as one of us, you are to be executed in the most humane manner imaginable: Fed to the piranha’s in the Pond of Twingeness! Have you any last words before you are executed, foul lupine?”

Malkatoj was ungagged, though she was still bound and closely guarded with axes and bows. “Just one” Malkatoj said, as a eerie calm grew over the crowd. After a minute of having her eyes closed, there was a loud roar from the crowd “Well!?! Common then! What is it?” Malkatoj opened her eyes slowly, staring at the villager. “Run”

A grey mist came instantly out of the west, as Malkatoj twisted around violently. The bindings snapped, and Malkatoj stood up at her full height, her tail brushing between her feet. At once, she pounced for the nearest villager, but before anyone could speak a word, three bows twanged and Malkatoj fell dead.

To the dismay of those that stood by, about the body of Malkatoj the eerie mist gathered. It rose slowly to a great height like smoke from a fire, as a pale shrouded figure it loomed over the pond. For a moment it wavered, looking to the West; but out of the West came a cold wind, and it bent away, and with a sigh dissolved into nothing.

“Here us now, werewolf! You are alone, and may no longer take council with your kind! Your end is near at hand!” they said, as they grabbed Malkatoj’s inanimate corpse, and threw it to the piranha’s, where it disappeared in seconds. Watching grimly, the people took their last look at the dead wolf, and then to each other, and then slowly departed to the sanctuary of their beds.





Dead
Glirdan (mod) - got a quill throught the head on Night 1
Wayne (Cobbler) - lynched by villagers on Day 1
Kitanna (ordinary villager) - Died of Alchool poisoning on Night 2
Bergil (Wolf) - stabbed with silver blade on Day 2
Gurthang (ordinary villager) - beaten to death by his own instruments on Day 3
The Only Real Estel (Seer) - eyes gouged out and replaced with peaches on Night 4
Malkatoj (Wolf) – Shot by arrows and dissolved into nothing on Day 5

Alive
Eonwe
Feanor of the Peredhil
Jack (aka Folwren)
Hiriel
Rune Son of Bjarne
Sleepy Ranger
Thinlomien


Wolf: Think wisely on your choice tonight. Ranger and Hunter, do what must be done. There should be no more chatter from the villagers, as it is Night 5!

PS: Hope you liked my little tribute to The Scouring of the Shire ;)

[The Perky Ent]

Revenge. That was the only thought in the wolf's mind. There was no more time for fun and games. It was no nothing more than business, and the wolf had it's victim. The wolf walked over to a house, the lights still on. Slowly, the wolf knocked on the door, and the villager answered. "Who is it?" the villager asked. "I can't sleep. We need to talk!" the wolf replied. Slowly and cautiously, the villager let the wolf in. There was peace for a minute in the town of Fwedawick, but then, the villager's lights suddenly went out, and the thrashing began.

The next morning, the villagers all awoke and gathered around. They were happy with their successful catch of a wolf, and fear had been replaced with cautious optimism. "Well, are we all here?" one of the villagers ask. "Aye, everyone's here...wait, where's -" but the villager was cut off, as they all heard a woman's scream eminate through the village. They all ran to the sound, and came at last to the sourch. A women covered in blood was standing outside of the house. "I....he....wolves...." the woman said. None of the villagers had seen her before. "Who are you?" one of the villagers asked. "I am River. I...I cleaned his....he's....he...." but she succumbed to tears and pointed inside the house. Slowly, the villagers walked inside, and looked at the horror that had occured that night.

The walls were covered with blood. All around, there were runes and pictographs. Great drawings of wolves eating villagers were marked all around the rooms. Words in an unknown dark language were scattered around the ceiling, and a trail of deep red blood soaked the floor. Hesitantly, the villagers followed the pool of blood into the largest room in the house. It was circular, and to the villagers astonishment, there was no blood. The room was completly clean. "Where....what happened in here?" a villager asked, as everyone looked again and again through the room, looking for a sign of death. Everything seemed to be in place, just as it had always been. The villagers hope would have been lost, had River not have found what was wrong. A wardrobe had been moved out of its normal location. When the villagers pushed it away, it revealed a mirror, it's edges outlined in blood-written words. It read:

Mirror mirror on the wall
Who's the ranger amongst them all?

Someone touched the mirror, and revealed that it was also a passageway. When pushed back, it revealed a secret room. It was there that they found the body. Feanor of the Peredhil's corpse was lying in the empty room, nothing left of the body except a few pieces of flesh clinging to bone. He had been literally ripped to shreds. At once, River screamed again in shock, and passed out on the floor. Someone quickly took her pulse and shouted "My word! She's dead!" . The villagers were shocked, but they didn't care as much for her, so the blow didn't hit her that hard. She died of a heart attack, and was indeed a regular villager. "Well, now that she's not a suspect, who could do something like this? Who would do something like this? Where is the wolf?!?"


Note: About the whole River thing, I just felt like adding in a red shirt (a minor character who dies). She is not important, and I am just killing off this non-existant character for my own amusment and repressed childhood.


Dead
Glirdan (mod) - got a quill throught the head on Night 1
Wayne (Cobbler) - lynched by villagers on Day 1
Kitanna (ordinary villager) - Died of Alchool poisoning on Night 2
Bergil (Wolf) - stabbed with silver blade on Day 2
Gurthang (ordinary villager) - beaten to death by his own instruments on Day 3
The Only Real Estel (Seer) - eyes gouged out and replaced with peaches on Night 4
Malkatoj (Wolf) – Shot by arrows and dissolved into nothing on Day 5
Feanor of the Peredhil (Ranger) - Ripped to Bloody Shreds on Night 5


Alive
Eonwe
Jack (aka Folwren)
Hiriel
Rune Son of Bjarne
Sleepy Ranger
Thinlomien


It is now Day 6! Wolf, hush! Villagers, go get em!

[Folwren]

Hm. Must've gotten up three hours early. Should we really take advantage of this Moding mistake?

My opinion...read past posts and days very, very carefuly.

-- Jack

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

The only thing I am sure of right now is that Jack and I are innocent.

To Sleepy: Why was it acceptet that you were no wolf ? (please elaborate)

[Thinlómien]

Congrats to us; we succeeded to lynch a wolf this time. (Not another gurthang-like fiasco :rolleyes: )

Our poor ranger! But her death wasn't really a surprise. I doubt everyone knew she'd be the next.

Just because i suspect you does not mean i am a Wolf ! -Rune No, no I don't mean that. You suspect (nearly) all, so I really couldn't make a show about it :). You just had some strange points and Hiriel and Eonwe seemed innocent. After two day's thinking I actually think you're probably innocent; you're a bit too forward to be a wolf. (This doesn't still move you from my suspected wolfs' list.)
My main suspects now are Hiriel and Eonwe. Hiriel is not very much suspected for being a wolf, because Fea thought she was probably innocent and chose her to appear innocent in her 'dream'. So, now when we know that Fea wasn't the seer, we have no evidence to prove her innocence. Yet both Fea and Tore - whom I think are quite quick-witted (and at least Fea is experienced in WW) - thought her inocent.
Eonwe is quite strange. Her argumentation about voting and random voting (proved by SR) seems a bit strange, but everyone can make mistakes under exiting circumstances, I suppose. Now she's having quite a lot of problems, because many seem to suspect her. I wait eagerly to see how she defends herself.
Why not Jack, Sleepy or myself. I think this proves SR 's innocence:
Many people are finding it hard to believe that I am innocent, while browsing through this thread I have come across something that can prove my innocence, in fact I believe I have come across TORE's third dream.

Lets start off with Post#121-


Now TORE was the seer, perhaps he is telling us who he will dream off...
Moving on to Post#137-


Is he trying to throw the wolves off him so that he can safely drop a hint? It seems that way.

Now he drops a series of hints to prove my innocence-

Post#146


Look closely, is he trying to tell us something other than malk being a wolf?

Post#150


There you go. He pretty much said it there.

Post#172


Hopefully this is enough to prove my innocence. I do believe TORE said it himself. :)
Jack's innocence is agreed by all, so I won't continue repeating the reasons here.
Unless I read the PM about WWJ roles wrong, I'm an innocent, ordinary villager.

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

I don't. I never stopped suspecting. But you're lucky that this is going to be my only post all weekend, and I'm in a hurry, so I can't elaborate.

This is bothering me a great deal.

To Thinlómien: you should not remove all offcouse, since there is no deffinit proof of my innocens. I just got the feeling that you thougt I was innocent, but every time i mentioned you I was suddenly a wolf.

Hiriel seems more likely to be innocent to me.

Eonwe could go either way

I will elaborate when i have time.

[Thinlómien]

To Thinlómien: you should not remove all offcouse, since there is no deffinit proof of my innocens. I just got the feeling that you thougt I was innocent, but every time i mentioned you I was suddenly a wolf. I'm sorry if you got that impression, it was not my intention.

I suppose we should perhaps lynch Eonwe today.

[Sleepy Ranger]

I will most proably vote for Eonwe today. I've stated my reasons before and she put up a weak arguement. Especially the "innocent would give sounder reasoning."
I admit I did not post the entire posts but I did give you the post number for reference. I only posted the parts that would prove my points. As for the Bergil post I am fully aware that he suspected me in that post and supported you. Thats the entire point since hes a wolf... I will most proably vote early today since I doubt I'll be able to come on later.

Eonwe - In my opinion, Wolf
Jack (aka Folwren) - Innocent
Hiriel - Wolf (?)
Rune Son of Bjarne - Innocent (?)
Sleepy Ranger - Innocent
Thinlomien - Innocent (?)

(?) means unsure

Lets see, six people left alive, five innocents, one wolf.
If we lynch Eonwe and she turns out to be innocent we'll be left with three innocents and one wolf after the night. After that I believe Hiriel would be the next best candidate. I say we should lynch Eonwe today unless she
can bring up solid proof of her innocence.

Edit- Eonwe did vote for Bergil during the time when him and I were neck to neck but bear in mind at the time I had 4 votes while Bergil had 3. This was indeed a clever move, voting for Bergil would make it 4-4 but I'd still get lynched because the vote for Bergil came in after mine. And as it was said in Eonwe's post, only 15 minutes to go and she proably assumed that nobody else would vote. Jack's post was completely unexpected and I guess I got lucky because it was a cross-post and Eonwe won the race. Had Jack managed to get his post in before Eonwe I daresay I wouldn't be here right now. :)

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

The reason i have not suspected Eonwe for a since the lynching of Bergil, is that she did vote for Bergil. I am however open for a posibel lynching of her today as she could have thought it was safe to do so. (I lack good evidence agains anyone so this will have to do)

Hiriel is inoccent she has not done one singel thing that would make me suspect her. (maby lack of posting in the begining)

Thinlomien same as ever.

Sleepy Ranger I do not se evidence that show that you are not a volf. I do not get how you can base youre defense on the remarks of TORE and the suspect Hiriel when TORE was sure of her inoccens. I do not have any good evidence against you so i will let you go for now.

I think the wisest thing to do is proberbly to lynch Eonwe and then Sleepy, but my mind can easely change. It all depents on what you will reply.


P.S. Gurthang seemed to be on to somthing after Kitanas death. look #61

[Thinlómien]

I have to leave early (again), so I vote.
It's sad that I didn't hear Eonwe defending herself, but as I have to vote now, I vote for her. ++EONWE. One vote does not count so much, so she isn't doomed yet if you decide she's innocent.

[Sleepy Ranger]

I think the wisest thing to do is proberbly to lynch Eonwe and then Sleepy, but my mind can easely change. It all depents on what you will reply.

You yourself there is no solid evidence against me. In fact the only evidence there ever was was me being flip-floppy. Yes in my mind lynching Eonwe today is the wisest course of action and after that if Eonwe does turn out innocent then it will be our last and final lynching of the game so we will have to think it over wisely. Lynching me with no solid evidence except for me being flip-floppish earlier would be a really stupid move. I mean look I already proved that TORE dreamed about me. Those aren't just random opinions, he was stating facts. Anyway if Eonwe does indeed turn out to be innocent then we'll have to do some very deep thinking to win.

[Thinlómien]

(I couldn't stop BDing so I'm still online, but not very much longer...)

it will be our last and final lynching How so? There's only one wolf and four innocent villagers. After lynching one innocent, there'd still be three innocent ones. And after the wolf killing one of them, there'd still be one wolf and two innocents. Can't they vote?

[Sleepy Ranger]

How so? There's only one wolf and four innocent villagers. After lynching one innocent, there'd still be three innocent ones. And after the wolf killing one of them, there'd still be one wolf and two innocents. Can't they vote?

Quite simple,
There are six villagers now, if Eonwe is innocent then that means 2 dead so-
6 - 2 = 4 (3 villagers, 1 wolf)

Now if this lynching is wrong then, 1 innocent lynched and another killed by the wolf. So-
4 - 2 = 2 (1 villager, 1 wolf) [Wolf Win]

So if this lynching is wrong our next lynch will be our final one.

[Sleepy Ranger]

Since I am out for the day-
++Eonwe

[Hiriel]

Herm. Sorry I'm late, sorry I'm late.

So if this lynching is wrong our next lynch will be our final one.

Eek. It's down to it now. I can only cite for my innocence that both Fea and TORE trusted me, that I've voted, either through luck or my own meager powers of intution, for only one innocent to get lynched throughout this whole game (Gurthang), and I voiced suspicion of Malk and Begil before we all decided to go for them. But I know that because Fea didn't turn out to be the Seer, and lied or just went along with TORE when he cleared me, makes me suspicious.

I'm out for the rest of the day, so, for reasons stated in previous posts, and just a little bit of self-preservation,

++Eonwe

EDIT: What a grim post to become a wright on.

[Eonwe]

Hiriel, i know TORE trusted me. i don't know about fea, but i never had to defend myself before her.

Eonwe- Innocent, it comes back to her breaking the Bergil/SR tie

and for the record, berfore i voted, is was Bergil 4, Sleepy Ranger 4. I made it Bergil 5, Sleepy Ranger 4. it's quite clear, just read it. (and please don't even try to take it out of order! *ehersleepy ranger ehrerm*) whoever made that statement about me not voteing when it was important, that is the person you should be looking at next (it looks like im gone, cuz i have 3 of 6 votes.)

what more can i say. your reading too much into what i said is it not true that a wolf is trying to spread doubts about people? and that he does this by saying he suspects people? and a wolf's case will be by nature weaker than an innocents because the person he is accuseing (there is only one wolf left, so he can't be accusing a fellow wolf) is in fact innocent? that is the logic behind the whole "innocents will make stronger cases" deal. i don't think it is bogus, and i don't think i ever contradicted myself (hiriel). anyway, cheerio, don't make a mistake tommarrow, or you all die.

holy crap, looking back now, please lynch sr tomarrow. is it so holy crap obvious. he is playing you all for a fool.:

Edit- Eonwe did vote for Bergil during the time when him and I were neck to neck but bear in mind at the time I had 4 votes while Bergil had 3. This was indeed a clever move, voting for Bergil would make it 4-4 but I'd still get lynched because the vote for Bergil came in after mine. And as it was said in Eonwe's post, only 15 minutes to go and she proably assumed that nobody else would vote. Jack's post was completely unexpected and I guess I got lucky because it was a cross-post and Eonwe won the race. Had Jack managed to get his post in before Eonwe I daresay I wouldn't be here right now.



The vote count now stands at:
Bergil- 2
Sleepy Ranger- 1

++Sleepy Ranger


++Bergil

++Sleepy Ranger

++Sleepy Ranger

Vote Count
Bergil - 3(Sleepy Ranger, TORE, Rune)
Sleepy Ranger - 4(Feanor, malkatoj, Bergil, Gurthang)

++Bergil

this makes it Bergil:4 Sleepy Ranger:4

++bergil

please don't say again that i didn't kill Bergil because i obviously did. just COUNT the posts. can you make a "mistake" that invoves counting votes, especially when gurthang had it all counted up. it was just hiriel's vote and then mine! you just can't accidentally screw that up!


++Sleepy Ranger

edit: (ps., bold, more stuff and spelling)

ps. that would be a he. it'll be nice to have this all worked out ahead of time! :D

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

I am not voting today, since it dos not matter, I was waiting to se what Jack had to say but he has not showed. I will leave now.

(it was either sleepy or Eonwe witch would have gotten my vote)

[Folwren]

*Jack sits down, puts his head on one hand, and just weeps.*

I don’t know, folks. I really don’t know. Eonwe did break the tie betwixt Bergil and Sleepy Ranger. It was a life and death matter for me not two days ago...I went back to make sure. Her voting record does not speak against her.

However, I’m even less inclined to suspect SR.

I think...I’m beginning to wonder if the wolf is Thin. She’s stayed very undercover this game...very much. I know it’s hard to even suspect. She’s so gentle, quiet, and not likely, but...you know, sometimes the least suspect able are the guilty.

Let’s not jump to conclusions. Tomorrow, I have excellent computer access. I am going to spend my morning (a horrible waste of time, I hope it turns out for the good) reading the entire game...taking notes - on everybody, mind you. This is, of course, if Eonwe isn’t the last wolf we seek.

Wish me luck and discerning.

--Jack

[Glirdan]

Times up. Expect Eonwe death shortly.

[Glirdan]

The village of Fwedawick gathered once more in the square, hopefully for the last time to do the dasterdly deed. They were talking all that day about who was the final Wolf and they were sure that it was Eonwe. But why would they want to get rid of the person who helped get rid of Bergil, the first Wolf? Just out of spite perhaps?

The villagers looked all over town, trying to find Eonwe, but they couldn't find him. He was probably off with the Dwarves, but the villagers never found out. They gathered once more in the square, awaiting Eonwe's return and that's when the mist came in. The villagers became very frightened and then they heard it. A look of triumph crossed their faces. They knew they found the final Wolf.

Then, a dark figure, tall and hairy, advanced through the gathering mist. "You might have gotten Bergil and malkatoj, but you won't get me!!!" snarled Eonwe and he lunged at the four remaining villagers, but then something unexpected happened. Hiriel rushed forwards, with a sword drawn. Hiriel was the Hunter!!! With a thrust of his sword, he stabbed at Eonwe. But Eonwe jumped aside. Again and again, Hiriel stabbed at the Wolf, but he kept jumping out of the way. On his last jump, he rushed at Hiriel and grabbed him. "Now that I've got your final protector, there's nothing you can do to stop me!!!" Eonwe snarled once more and as he went to bite Hiriel, he howled, but not in happiness. Jack had just rushed up and stabbed the wolf in the leg with a dagger. Eonwe dropped Hiriel to the ground and Hiriel was in a stated of shock. He recovered quickly and swung his blade. He had taken Eonwe's head right off.

"Glad that's over!!" yelled Hiriel as Thinlomien rushed in to heal his wounds as Sleepy Ranger and Rune Son of Bjarne took Eonwe's body away. "Let's bury the dead who were innocent and bur the Wolves body," suggested Jack. "After, even though they were evil, they deserve a proper goodbye." and nothing was said in the town of Fwedawick afterwards. The remaining villagers left the town and went back to Gondor to live out the rest of their lives and they never spoke of the evil that befell the town again. And that's the end to our little tale, a tale about 14villagers in a town called Fwedawick, where an evil fate befell three of them and where six befell an untimely death. But in the end

THE VILLAGERS WON

Let me be the first to congratualte the Villagers on a job well done in finding those Wolves. A congrats goes out to the Wolves who played rather well for their first time. A congrats to Hiriel for lasting as long as he did. A congrats to TORE and Fea for their little ruse which could have been pulled off, but didn't. And a final congrats to the Cobbler. Even though you didn't last that long, I'm sure you would have played a good Cobbler. Hope everyone enjoyed the game. I know I enjoyed modding. It was an awsome experience and I'd love to do it again. Congrats once more to the Villagers.

[The Perky Ent]

Crud, you're back! ...I mean, Huray! You're back!


Congrats to the villagers and wolves guys! Both played very well. I deleted them, but if Glirdan still has who did what on which nights we can post those for y'all to see! I had a great job sub-modding (granted that last death was pure feces)! Hiriel was an interesting in this game. Her ability to survive that long while in people's suspicions was well played. TORE and Fea did a spectatuar job with their little masquarade. I'm suprised there was no coordination. This thread is really for y'all, but I just wanna say grats to villagers and wolves! I'll be looking in on you for WWJ II (assuming there is one)




~*~ The Perky Ent ~*~