Two truths and a lie...

[Gurthang]

I would guess that most of us have played this game, but I've never tried it online, so I think it would be fun. Just remember that it has to be LotR.

For those who don't know how to play: here are some simple rules.

You post two true statements and a fals statement. Such as:

1. Frodo was a hobbit.
2. Gandalf was a hobbit.
3. Sam was a hobbit.

Then someone guesses which is the lie. It is then their turn. (You might specify book or movie, too.)

So:

According to the movies.
1. Pippin ate four pieces of Lembas.
2. Denethor gets his butt kicked by Gandalf for being a crazy, despairing leader.
3. Merry and Pippin found two barrels of Old Toby at Isengard.

[Eorl of Rohan]

According to the movies.
1. Pippin ate four pieces of Lembas.
2. Denethor gets his butt kicked by Gandalf for being a crazy, despairing leader.
3. Merry and Pippin found two barrels of Old Toby at Isengard.[/B]

I'm not very strong on the movies, I'm afraid, and I am not sure whether to take the No 2. literally. I think I'll choose 3, as I don't remember the phrase 'Old Toby' in the movie anywhere.

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

According to the movies.
1. Pippin ate four pieces of Lembas.
2. Denethor gets his butt kicked by Gandalf for being a crazy, despairing leader.
3. Merry and Pippin found two barrels of Old Toby at Isengard.

I will guess at 1. Was it not Gimli who ate four pices of Lembas?

[Thinlómien]

I guess number two. Gandalf hits his head with a stuff, not kicks his butt. (But if it isn't literal, then I'm wrong.)

[Gurthang]

Sorry, Thinlómien, it isn't literal. The correct response is number 3.

It is a lie because Merry and Pippin find two barrels of Longbottom Leaf, not Old Toby, which is what Gandalf and Bilbo are smoking in FotR.

So it's your turn, Eorl of Rohan.

[Eorl of Rohan]

Okay, here it goes!

1. Feanor is the most powerful and intelligent elf ever.
2. Morgoth kills Felagund.
3. Eorl was called young because he died young.

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

I would say nr. 2 ! Was Feladund not killed by a werewolf or somthing like that!

(Not sure i agree on nr. 1, but i can only choose one)

[Eorl of Rohan]

No, that is not correct.

[Glirdan]

I'd hazzard a guess towards No. 3. Eorl was called young because he became King young I believe (not entirely sure. actually, I'm like eighty percent sure I'm wrong. :D )

[Eorl of Rohan]

Actually, you are right, although the reason is wrong, I think. Eorl the Young (My namesake) is called young, not because he died young, but because he kept his youthful vitality and bright-golden hair (instead of turning white) to the very end of his days.

Your turn, Glirdan! :D

[Glirdan]

Ok, here goes nothing.

1. Galadriel has the Elven Ring of Power Nenya
2. It is not known what happened to Legolas and Gimli and no one has any idea of what or where they went and did.
3. There are eight Valar in the Aratar.

Go for it. ;)

[The Perky Ent]

2. They built a boat, and sailed into the west the year King Elessar dies. Thus ends the last of the fellowship in Middle Earth.

[Glirdan]

Ouch!! :o You copied that word for word from the book didn't you? Do you have the bbok in front of you by any cahnce? :confused: Anyway, your thread!!! ;)

[Eorl of Rohan]

Perky seems to have forsaken this thread. 0_0

[Plastic_Panda]

so can i give a new set of truths and lies?

if i can....
1. Saruman claims himself that he is "of many colours"
2. Grima was shot bye a hobbit
3. in the movie, Merry replaces the palantir from under Gandalfs robe w/ a pot, not a tea kettle.

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

Yes you can give a new set and feel free to revive some of the old threads.

I cannot remember what he replaces the palantir with in the movie, so my guess would be that it is the lie. (3)

and by the way welcome amongst the dead

[Gil-Galad]

well movie wise, 2 would be out cause legolas shoots him...it was a pot

[Valesse]

In the movie Pippin replaces the palantir from under Gandalf's arm with a water pitcher. Meridoc watched him from under his sheets.

[Plastic_Panda]

very good Valesse, ur turn.

[Valesse]

On the books:

1) Gimli returned to Rohan after the War of the Ring and became the Lord of the Glittering Caves.
2) The Royal family of Rohan is originally from the Folde.
3) There was no civil war in Gondor during the Third Age.

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

well nr. 3. Is a lie as Castamir and Eldacar fought over the throne of Gondor.

(I belive nr. 2 can be debatet)

By the way allthoug it was poorly written I did guess on nr. 3 in the previus question and therfor the rightfull winner ! :p

[Valesse]

You are correct: The Kin-strife took place during the Third Age between 1432-1448.

Give us a good one, Rune!

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

I hope I don't disapoint you

1)Telemnar was the king of Gondor who rueled for the shortest period of time.

2)The first of the Seven Dwarf-rings to be forged, was given to Thrór, the King under the Mountain

3)Helm’s Deep was originally built by men of Gondor

[Celebuial]

Is it 2)The first of the Seven Dwarf-rings to be forged, was given to Thrór, the King under the Mountain. Wasn't it given to Durin III first?

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

Your absolute correct Celebuial, Durin III got it first(remaind in his line for a long time) then Thrór, then Thráin and last Sauron.

I thought it would give you some trouble as the ring is known as the Ring of Thrór, guess i was wrong. . . :(

[Celebuial]

I always thought that it was interesting that it was known as the ring as Thror even though he didn't have it first...well it's weird so I remembered it!

I don't think I'll be any good at setting up a question but here goes anyway:

1) Harry Goatleaf watched the West gate of Bree and refused to help or join Bill Ferny and such like.

2) River Mitheithel passes through land which used to be held by the kingdom of Rhudaur.

3)Ulwrath is the Grandfather of Ulfast who is responsible for the defeat of the sons of Feanor at the Battle of Unnumbered Tears.

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

3) Is Ulwarth not Ulfast's son or atleast a decendent ?

[Celebuial]

Damn!!!! I meant to write ULFAST! ooopsss!!! that means that two of them were false!!! Sorry! The other one was Harry Goatleaf, he did infact join Ferny. But Ulwrath is actualy Ulfang's FARTHER.

SORRY! Oh well knew I'd confuse myself, LOL! ok.. you have another go Rune Son of Bjarne seeing as you technically got it right!

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

Oh it's ok. If it had not been for that mistace i would have been totaly lost. . .

1)Gwaihir caries the titel King of Eagels

2) Agarwaen son of Úmarth was one of Turin's names

3) The Stone of Elostirion was taken back to Aman on the Ring-bearers' White Ship

[Gothmog]

1) Gwaihir's title is Wind Lord, not King of Eagles? Maybe he's the king too, I'm not sure... Nr 2 is true and I have a faint memory telling me nr 3 is also correct...

[Celebuial]

Hmmmmmmmm.... Well Gwaihir was known as The Wind Lord and not the KIng of the Eagles so I'd say 1).

Although I know Elostirion is one of the Towers at Tower Hills and there may have been a palantir there... but I didn't know it was taken back on the Ship....

Hmmmmmmm...... I'll stick with 1)

EDIT: Damn Gothmog beat me too it!!!!!

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

It is all yours Gothmog.

Gwaihir was known as The Wind Lord and not the King of the Eagles, it was only
Thorondor who cairied that titel.

[Plastic_Panda]

alright, sry bout saying that rune got it wrong, i thought that he also needed the right reason is that true? or as he said false? and if its false, does anyone want to make it true? if u follow me...

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

Valesse pm and informed me that you wantet another reason so I was wrong.
I belive you decide how correct the answer has to be.

[Plastic_Panda]

well, CREDIT ALL AROUND ;)
both r right, so....idk....do u wanna post one Rune? its fine w/ me....

[Gothmog]

Is it my turn or have I missed something? Want to be sure not to take somebody else's turn...

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

It's your turn Gothmog! you won the last one remember. . .

[Gothmog]

OK, I'll try one...

1) Rumil invented the tengwar
2) Lomion is an other name for Maeglin
3) Uinendili is the daughter of Uinen and Osse

[Orominuialwen]

Number 3 is wrong, because the Uinendili were the elves who were followers of sorts of Uinen.

[Gothmog]

You're right of course. Thread is yours!

[Orominuialwen]

1. The stars originally came from the dews of Telperion.

2. Pallando was a maia of Oromë.

3. Bilbo gave Hugo Bracegirdle an umbrella.

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

cleaver question, but I am pretty sure I have the answer:

3) Hugo Bracegirdle got a bookcase, right ?

[Orominuialwen]

Yes, indeed, you are correct. Your thread, Rune.

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

1) Edhellond was foundet by Silvan Elves
2) A ring from Gil-Galad was given to the wife of Ulbar (the shepherd)
3) Queen Berúthiel dissapered in the far south and was never heard of again

[Glirdan]

2 is wrong. A Ring was given from Gil-Galad to Cirdan.

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

not the rigt answer, the ring I am talking of was just a gift from gil-galad to Tar-Aldarion who then gave it to wife of Ulbar.

[NightKnight]

Then it has to be number 1, for Beruthiel was lost in the south, put on a raft with her cats IIRC.

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

yup, your turn NightKnight

[NightKnight]

Right-o, lets try this out. Here it comes:

1) Bregolas was killed in Dagor Bragollach
2) Barahir was killed in Dagor Bragollach
3) Borlach was killed in Nirnaeth Arnoediad

[Holbytlass]

#2:Barahir did fight in Dagor Bragollach, but died fighting in Dorthonion.

[NightKnight]

Indeed. Your turn, Holbytlass.

[Holbytlass]

1)Fen Hollen: marshes west of Minas Tirith
2)Fen March: marshes along Mering Stream
3)Fen Serech: marshes above Pass of Sirion

[Gurthang]

Without looking at a map, I would guess 1. I surely do not remember there being marshes west of Minas Tirith. In fact, I think that there are only the White Mountains west of the White City.

[Holbytlass]

You got it because #1 is false, but Fen Hollen is on the west side of Minas Tirith. For bonus, what is Fen Hollen?

[Gurthang]

I just realized how horribly mean it would be to put:

1. Balrogs have wings.
2. Balrogs do not have wings.
3. (Insert whatever you want. The joke has been made.)

But I'm not going to do that, cause I'm not that horribly mean. So...

According to the Books.
1. Turin was killed by Glaurung.
2. Glaurung was killed by Turin.
3. Beren had his hand bitten off.

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

1) Turin took his own life, well Gurthang helped.

[Gurthang]

Wow! Three minutes! That was really quick Rune! Congratulations, you are correct, so the thread is yours. :D

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

Thanks Gurthang. . .

1)The Inland Sea of Helcar lay where the roots of the mountain of Illuin had been.
2)The Water of Awakening lay near the Red Mountains
3)Cuiviénen lay on the southern shore of the Sea of Helcar

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

someone guess ! please

[Gothmog]

Ok, a guess. Wasn't Cuivinen on the eastern shore of the Sea of Helcar? Number 3 is wrong?

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

Thats it Gothmog.

It was not that hard, was it ?

[Gothmog]

Nothing is hard when you know the answer. Can you find the false statement among these three?

1. Eöl named his son Maeglin at his birth. Later, Aradhel named him Lómion, so he has two names.
2. Eöl killed Aradhel and was thrown off a cliff as punishment.
3. It was Eöl that forged Anglachel/Gurthang and Anguirel (two prominent members of this site ;))

Good luck people!

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

1) is falls, Eol refused to name his son untill he was. . . can't remember, but he chose to wait. While Aradhel named him child of the twilight pretty early on.

[Gothmog]

Correct. Eöl named his son Maeglin when he was 12. Aradhel gave him the secret name Lomion, child of twilight, at his birth.

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

oh 12. Lets see if I remember it this time


1) Aragorns grandmother was named Ivorwen
2) Ulfang was the son of Ulwarth
3) Hador was succeeded by Barahir

[Thinlómien]

B. is incorrect, because Ulwarth was the son of Ulfang.

[gralin musicteeth]

Does that mean that you go now, Thinlómien?

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

It is your turn Lommy. . .

[Thinlómien]

Eek, sorry. I had totally forgotten about this thread.

1. Bilbo gave Lobelia Sackville-Baggins silver spoons.
2. Bilbo gave Adelard Took an umbrella.
3. Bilbo gave Milo Burroughs a bookshelf.

[Damrod]

3. is wrong. Milo got a gold pen and ink.

[Gil-Galad]

been a couple months...


1. Elladan and Elrohir saved Celebrian
2. Elladan and Elrohir fought at Pellenor Fields
3. Elladan and Elrohir carried the banner of Arwen Evenstar

[Thinlómien]

The third one is wrong. The banner was carried by Halbarad.

(Yes, I'm practising for the trivia game. How did you know? :p)

[TheGreatElvenWarrior]

Number three is wrong. Because they did do those other things.

[Gil-Galad]

Lommy is correct... i totally forgot it was my turn too

[Thinlómien]

Thanks Gil and never mind. :)

1. Celebrimbor was Fëanor's grandson
2. Elrond was Beren's grandson
3. Finrod Felagund was Finwë's grandson

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Number two is wrong. Where we have Fëanor-Curufin-Celebrimbor and Finwë-Finarfin-Finrod, there's either one Dior or one Eärendil more than it should be ;)

[Thinlómien]

Of course. :)

I wonder how can this type of questions be made difficult in the first place...

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Well, depends on how much you know. I can still remember the times when all these folks whose names started on "F" were the same to me...

What about this:

1. Aragorn returned the Palantír of Orthanc to Isengard.
2. Denethor never connected his Palantír with the Ithil-stone.
3. The fate of the Ithil-stone was not known until the War of the Ring.

[The Might]

Well, it must be 1, since 2 and 3 are wrong.
And since I know 1 is right...
Hmm...somehow I think this thread is too easy.

It would be more difficult in my opinion if someone made a statement (preferably vague) and the others should say if its true or false AND give a quote or something cause otherwise it would make no sense.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

But Miggy, that's two TRUTHS and a lie... so you have to choose just one thing that's wrong.

Which, unless I am mistaken (and I hope I am not :o ), is only one in the options.

[The Might]

oh yeah 1 and 2...well I got 2 things wrong

1. I misread the title of the thread as one truth and two lies and
2. I misread 2. as he never contacted the Ithil-stone with his own...:eek: I am kinda tired

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Seems that everyone's wits were sleepy :) But good, take the thread.

[The Might]

Ok, here's the three statements:

1. The Druedain didn't attack any Orcs during the War of the Ring.
2. Elves of Rivendell didn't attack any Orcs during the War of the Ring.
3. The Dunlanders were not spared after the Battle of the Horburg.

I still think we should try come up with a way to make this more difficult.

[Gil-Galad]

Ok, here's the three statements:

1. The Druedain didn't attack any Orcs during the War of the Ring.
2. Elves of Rivendell didn't attack any Orcs during the War of the Ring.
3. The Dunlanders were not spared after the Battle of the Horburg.

I still think we should try come up with a way to make this more difficult.



i'm going to go with 3, because i remember in TTT that the Rohirrim granted amnesty to the Dunlendings who were taken aback, after being taught that the Rohirrim were monsters.

[Thinlómien]

Might?

[The Might]

Sorry, yes Gil, you're right.

Please take the thread. I would be interested to see though if you know why #1 isn't false. Legate isn't allowed to answer.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

I would be interested to see though if you know why #1 isn't false. Legate isn't allowed to answer.

:D :D :D Don't worry, I'm not saying anything, but you made me laugh.

[The Might]

Well Gil, you can take it even without explaining that. :D

[The Might]

Well Legate as Gil is gone, go ahead and tell us what I had in mind and post a new one too.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Well there is at maximum presumed that they got some of Saruman's Orcs after the Battles at the Fords of Isen. Normally they don't fight, they hunt.

Hmm... okay.

1. Boromir was not brought to Rivendell by horse.
2. Saruman was not the first hostile force to hold Isengard.
3. Celeborn did not have any siblings.

[The Might]

First one is a lie, not because I remember it, but because the other two are truths.
The Dunlendings were in Isengard before Saruman and Celeborn had a brother I believe.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

So you say first one is a lie? That's not correct.

[Thinlómien]

Funny, because the first one being true was the only one I could recall. Maybe I'll guess as well. Is 2 the lie?

[The Might]

Oh, if I look at my post, I can see the stupidity.
Well 1 and 2 are correct then and 3 is wrong, because it is a lie that he had no siblings.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

2 is not a lie as well. Now I guess it's obvious. :D #3 is a lie and TM in fact said it, only he jumped to a wrong conclusion: Celeborn HAD a brother. #3 says that he DIDN'T have a brother. So it's false.

So what? Should I post a new one or let TM have it? If you wish you may post, TM. If you don't, then I will post something else.

Only let me say that this shows one thing: One should also READ WELL the question. This happens all the time when someone misreads a question or sentence (especially when there are double negations involved, like in this case).

EDIT: x-ed, yes, correct, have the thread, TM.

[The Might]

Very well...

Aeglos is:

A. a plant
B. a weapon
C. a river

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

C is wrong...

[The Might]

Indeed.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

1. Morgoth was not hurt more than nine times between his resettling in Angband and the War of Wrath.
2. Thorin's cousin did not fight in the Battle of the Five Armies.
3. Aragorn's crown was not originally Anárion's helmet he wore during the time of the Last Alliance.

[The Might]

Bah, I hate negations.

Anyway, the last one is true, it was not Anarion's helmet as this was crushed by a stone thrown from Barad-dur (I still find this the most stupid death in the books)
About Morgoth...he was hurt by Fingolfin eight times and Thorondor hurt him once. So only nine times I believe, meaning this is true as well.
The second is a lie, because he never had a cousin in the first place.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

So you say the second one is a lie? No, it is true. If he didn't have a cousin, of course his cousin didn't fight in the battle of the Five Armies.

I always get you in this one, Miggy :p

[The Might]

Ah yes, how can I be so foolish...
Not because of the cousin thing, but because of Melkor.
He was wounded by Beren (indirectly) after he cut a Silmaril from his crown.
So it means that 1 is the lie.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Good, very good! I'm impressed! (Or should I rather say: "Good, good!" and "Impressive. Most impressive!" ? ;) ) I expected this question will be solved by an ellimination method, and not by direct revealing the concrete flaw. Please continue.

[The Might]

Indeed...but you are not a loremaster yet. :D

Ok, so here goes:

A. A palantir could be held in any position to see something.
B. The chain Isildur used for the Ring was found.
C. Only one messenger made it to request help from the Eotheod.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

A is wrong. It had to be aligned and the other two are right.

[The Might]

Indeed.
It did seem to me like a very curious "coincidence" that Pippin was looking exactly in that direction...

Anyway, please take the thread.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

As we know too well, such "coincidences" happen in Middle-Earth quite often (well, not as often on the large scale, but in this particular... hmm... flow of events).

Okay:

1. Only two men survived the disaster at Gladden Fields.
2. There is a tree (described in Tolkien's books) that blossoms in winter.
3. Galadriel visited Khazad-Dum at least once.

[The Might]

Well, a quite difficult one.

Anyway,
1. Is correct I believe, these were Ohtar who made it to Rivendell with the shards of Narsil and Estelmo who was clubbed and seemed to be dead.

2. Not sure.

3. I am very puzzled of this question. I am sure that you are aware that according to one version of the story Galadriel she didn't pass through Khazad-dum, while in another she did. Ok, I say this may be true, thus making number 2 false.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

I am aware of everything ;) But I have to disappoint you: number 2 is correct (there was such a tree brought by the Elves to Númenor) :)

[The Might]

Is this supposed to be a hint or the answer?

Probably, you mean mallorns, though I thought they blossomed in spring.
That probably means 3 is false.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

No, you have failed, my friend. 1 is false. 2 is correct and 3 is correct as well (in one version, which cannot be discarded). But mainly, 1 is false because there were THREE men who survived: Ohtar had one "friend" and Estelmo survived longer on the place and came back later (according to The Disaster at Gladden Fields; according to the Council of Elrond we are simply said that there were three of them and not if they came together or each by himself).

By the way, to the "2", I meant this:
To Aldarion they gave a sapling tree, whose bark was snow-white, and its stem straight, strong and pliant as it were of steel; but it was not yet in leaf. (...) "It bears cool leaves in summer, and flowers in winter."

Okay, since the answer was not correct, I'm posting another one :)

1. Saruman was at least once further eastwards than Lórien.
2. Gandalf never visited Angmar.
3. Men of Angmar at least once entered the Shire.

[The Might]

1 I was indeed wrong about.
2 "Its leaves, like those of the beech but greater, were pale green above and beneath were silver, glistering in the sun; in the autumn they did not fall, but turned to pale gold. In the spring it bore golden blossom in clusters like a cherry, which bloomed on during the summer; and as soon as the flowers opened the leaves fell, so that through spring and summer a grove of malinorni was carpeted and roofed with gold, but its pillars were of grey silver. Its fruit was a nut with a silver shale." These quotes somehow seem to be in contradiction, but indeed such a tree existed.
3 I am quite disappointed of you considering this to be true. As long as it can't be discarded it can also not be labeled as true, as long as other versions exist and there is no certainty about which one would have been the right one.


1 Is true, he went to the East with the Blue Wizards.
2 "but ever went to and fro in the Westlands from Gondor to Angmar, and from Lindon to Lórien, befriending all folk in times of need"
3. Is thus false.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

So you say 3 is false? No, that is not correct. Miggy... :rolleyes: ;)

And concerning the previous one, the main point was that 3 may or may not be true (depending on the version you pick), but, and that's 100%, the first one is NOT true. And since we are looking for one thing that is definitely not right, this is the one.

[The Might]

I never don't hate your negations...and I thought I was good in English.
1. is true
2. is false
and so 3 is true as well

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Now it finally isn't incorrect. Please continue :D

[The Might]

Btw, it reminds me of THIS (http://www.kewego.fr/video/iLyROoaftYQj.html)

You don't want to not vote for John Kerry?

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Miggy, give us sumthin'...

[Nerwen]

1. Charchost was built by the Men of Gondor.
2. Beregond was the son of Beren.
3. Frodo was Bilbo's nephew.

[Gollum the Great]

2 is a lie.

[Nerwen]

Gotcha!:p

That was in fact a trick question. (Wrong Beren!)

[Gollum the Great]

Doess that mean I'm correct?

[Nerwen]

Sorry, no.

#2 is true... which means that you're wrong in identifying it as a lie. See?

(Clue: family relationships are the key to this one.)

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

nr. 3 is lie

Frodo is in no way Bilbo's nephew . . .I am not sure how it works in english, but it looks like they are some sort of cousins.

Anyways I must admit that I was fooled by this question as well.

[Nerwen]

You have it, Rune.

(FYI: They're second cousins, once removed.)

[Gollum the Great]

I never heard of a Beren with a "Beregond" son.

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

They where both Stewards of Gondor.

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

1) Celon was a tributary of the Aros
2) Celos was a tributary of the Sirith
3) Gundor was the older brother of Galdor

[Nerwen]

3.) Is a lie.

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

correct. . .too easy?

Anyways it is your turn

[The Might]

1. Elentir loved Miriel.
2. Forthwini was a King of Rohan.
3. Dudo Boggins attended Bilbo's Farewell Party.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

2) is wrong?

[Thinlómien]

Isn't it 3 that's wrong?

*is excited* :p

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

:D Ha! That hasn't been here for some time...

Though I think Forthwini sounds rather like Marhwini, and those were not Rohirrim, but the Northerners... well of course that does not prove anything... but Dudo, if he is the one I think he is, was there... or so I believe...

But hey, great. I am going to try to wake up TM :D

[Thinlómien]

Though I think Forthwini sounds rather like Marhwini, and those were not Rohirrim, but the Northerners... well of course that does not prove anything... but Dudo, if he is the one I think he is, was there... or so I believe...Well, actually, you're probably right. Because I'm rather sure Forthwini was one of their kings before they moved to Rohan and I just didn't bother to think too much when I replied. Typical. But, on the other hand, I don't think the last name Boggins sounds familiar... sounds more like a nickname of Nogrod's. :D;) However, there's the chance that we are both wrong - because I have absolutely no idea about the truthfulness of the first one, except that it sounds silly. ;)

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Well, actually, you're probably right. Because I'm rather sure Forthwini was one of their kings before they moved to Rohan and I just didn't bother to think too much when I replied. Typical. But, on the other hand, I don't think the last name Boggins sounds familiar... sounds more like a nickname of Nogrod's. However, there's the chance that we are both wrong - because I have absolutely no idea about the truthfulness of the first one, except that it sounds silly.

Yes, it does... And ah... you are right, I didn't notice that Boggins thing. Hmm... ;) Or perhaps, what if all three are wrong? :eek: Now, let's ban him if he did that... :p

[The Might]

Yep, Legate is right.

1) is correct if you check the background info of Númenor and 3) is correct, just a random Hobbit fact

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Fine :) Okay, in that case I'll bring in something different... hmm...

1. Tower of Cirith Ungol was populated by about forty Orcs
2. Men of Rohan do not lie
3. Robin Smallburrow did conscript among the Shiriffs willingly

[Andsigil]

Fine :) Okay, in that case I'll bring in something different... hmm...

1. Tower of Cirith Ungol was populated by about forty Orcs
2. Men of Rohan do not lie
3. Robin Smallburrow did conscript among the Shiriffs willingly

2 is wrong. Grima was both a man of Rohan and a liar.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

2 is wrong. Grima was both a man of Rohan and a liar.

An exception that proves the rule. Éomer in the Two Towers, to Aragorn (when meeting him for the first time):

Yet you speak the truth, that is plain: the Men of the Mark do not lie, and therefore they are not easily deceived.

I don't have any evidence that would speak differently, so I believe Éomer on this (after all, he's supposed not to lie, right ;) ).

So, no, 2. is true (in this aspect. Of course, we could argue...).

[The Might]

Actually, Andisigil has a very good point there, facts speak against what Eomer said, so I would actually consider that one false too.

Ok, but since you had something else in mind, 3) is wrong. Robin joined the Shiriffs willfully, only later on was he forced to remain in that position and to enforce several hard rules. 1) is correct, since we are told that Shagrat led about 40 orcs to investigate, this was his garrison from the Tower.

[Andsigil]

Actually, Andisigil has a very good point there, facts speak against what Eomer said, so I would actually consider that one false too.

Ok, but since you had something else in mind, 3) is wrong. Robin joined the Shiriffs willfully, only later on was he forced to remain in that position and to enforce several hard rules. 1) is correct, since we are told that Shagrat led about 40 orcs to investigate, this was his garrison from the Tower.

Oh, well. I thought I had a good point, but there was another answer in mind.

I suppose it's like taking the S.A.T., when they remind you to choose the "best" answer for a question, even if you might find that more than one of your possible choices are correct.

Still, I did think that Grima was the most salient. (shrug)

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Ha haa, and now you are wrong, Miggy. Because you get caught in the double-trap laid by me. First, if you read it, 3) says that he did join the Shiriffs willingly. And that is true. And 1) was the master-trap of it all, because Shagrat HAD forty orcs with him as a patrol, but in the very same place where this is told, the sentence continues that there were probably more in the tower itself (which is what I was talking about - the whole population of the tower, as you can read, I did not speak about just Shagrat's "recon team", which indeed had about 40 Orcs).

And as for the "Rohirrim don't lie" thing, it was a general statement: the same as if I said "Elves are tall", or "Hobbits do not work well with mechanic tools". Surely you will find a smaller Elf or a Hobbit who can work with mechanical tools (for example Sandyman), but it's something like a general statement.

Okay, I will post a new one then.

1. Mithril was found on Númenor
2. Hobbits were present in the Battle of Fornost
3. Dwalin never visited Mirkwood before his journey with Bilbo

[Thinlómien]

3 is a lie.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Correct :) The thread is yours. Just out of curiosity, do you know why, or did you just come to that conclusion by the method of ruling out the rest?

[Thinlómien]

Correct :) The thread is yours. Just out of curiosity, do you know why, or did you just come to that conclusion by the method of ruling out the rest?I knew for sure that 2 was true, I had a pretty strong recollection that 1 was true also, so it left me with 3 - and I realised it must be correct based on the Dwarven history I've been rereading lately... I remember those Dwarves went there for some reason - wasn't it when Thráin was taken by Sauron?

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

I knew for sure that 2 was true, I had a pretty strong recollection that 1 was true also, so it left me with 3 - and I realised it must be correct based on the Dwarven history I've been rereading lately... I remember those Dwarves went there for some reason - wasn't it when Thráin was taken by Sauron?

Yes, it was. Balin and Dwalin were there when he was taken from the middle of the camp right under their nose. Most fascinating.

Anyway, post the next one, please :)

[The Might]

Bah, how tricky...

[Thinlómien]

Okay, here's a traffic light question for you:

1. Maedhros, Amrod and Amras got their red hair colour from their grandmother.
2. The eyes of the Swan-ship of Lórien were yellow.
3. Frodo was given green clothes in Rivendell.

And now I remember why I took a pause from the Quiz Room (apart from being genuinely busy, that is) - coming up with these questions is really painful. :D

[The Might]

Ok:

1 is wrong, they had the auburn-coloured hair from their grandfather Mahtan.
2 is correct, it is said the eyes glinted like jet set in yellow stones, so the iris colour was yellow.
3 is also correct since we learn Frodo found green garments which fitted him perfectly.

Btw, nice idea Lommy! :)

[Thinlómien]

You're right, of course. :D

I always prefer making questions where the statements have something in common with each other, it just feels "neater". :)

[The Might]

Well, Thinlómien, in your honour I'll try to design a similar question, with different colours however so as to celebrate the National Day of Romania tomorrow.

Balin had a red hood.
Tom Bombadil had white candles on the table.
Noldor lamps sent out blue light.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

The Tom Bombadil one is not true.

First, I am pretty certain about the two others. And if that was not enough for me, then second, I believe the candles were yellow. And related to that, third, white is not on the Romanian flag, if I recall well ;)

[The Might]

Ah too easy indeed and you actually answered it before the National Day even started, 4 minutes still left. :D

Alas, take it away, sir!

EDIT: Just realised the first sentence is relative, as it's already noon in Australia.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

All right. Hmm...

Mim was killed in his own halls.
Thingol was killed in his own halls.
Dáin I. was killed in his own halls.

[Thinlómien]

The first one is a lie, right?

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Indeed. :) This one was relatively easy. You may give us a new one ;)

[Thinlómien]

Indeed. This one was relatively easy. You may give us a new oneYes, I was wondering whether you've changed your ways and started asking uncharacteristically easy questions, or whether that was a trick question of some sort and I'm just a little slow-witted... :p;) Okay, but I'll think of something. :)

[Thinlómien]

Blah I haven't been able to come up with something and it's just been too difficult for me, so I'll now write just whatever comes to my mind.

So, let's proceed...

1. Brytta was loved by his people.
2. Fastred and Folcred were brothers.
3. Goldwine was killed by Orcs.

[The Might]

The first two are correct, the last not, as Goldwine was not killed by Orcs as far as I know.

[Thinlómien]

The first two are correct, the last not, as Goldwine was not killed by Orcs as far as I know.
Indeed. :) Seemingly it wasn't too hard... :rolleyes::D Please take the thread, Miggy.

[The Might]

Ah, very well. Now a question on objects in M-e:

1. Mouth of Sauron mocked the Elessar.
2. Sam saw himself running up a winding stair in Galadriel's Mirror.
3. The Sceptre of Annuminas was made of mithril.

[Andsigil]

#3 is false. It was made of silver.

[The Might]

True you are.

[Andsigil]

1. Drogo was discussed at The Ivy Bush.

2. Adelard was bequeathed a mirror.

3. Bert likes burrahobbit pies.

[The Might]

2 is false, I believe that Adelard, the eternal borrower of umbrellas, was given an umbrella of his OWN. :D

[Andsigil]

You are correct!

[The Might]

Ok, then a new one:

1. Imloth Melui was known for its lillies.
2. White-socks was a pony.
3. 6 Astron was a holiday in the Shire in the Fourth Age.

Btw, I tried to find hard ones here.

[Thinlómien]

1 is wrong. It was known for its roses. ;)

[The Might]

BAH! And I thought it would last for at least a day... :eek:

Strong the Force in you is!

[Thinlómien]

Here comes some Entish stuff...

1. Rohirrim had heard of the Ents.
2. Entmoot was held once in a century.
3. Birds were cruel to Bregalad's trees.

[The Might]

I believe Entmoots were not necessarily held once a century.

[Thinlómien]

Exactly, that's it. :) Take the thread, please. (And my apologies for taking time. I wasn't around because I had an... attention-demanding guest for a week, so to speak. :D)

[The Might]

Ah, Sackville-Bagginses came to visit, eh? :D

Anyways, let me see, a marshy question:

1. The Hobbits of the Marish were predominantly of Stoor descent.
2. The Riders of Rohan could not enter the Fenmarch.
3. Rushock Bog was located along the Water.

[Pitchwife]

1. According to LotR, Prologue:
The habit of building farmhouses and barns was said to have begun among the inhabitants of the Marish down by the Brandywine. The Hobbits of that quarter, the Eastfarthing, were rather large and heavy-legged, and they wore dwarf-boots in muddy weather. But they were well known to be Stoors in a large part of their blood [...]

2. LotR V,3, The Muster of Rohan:
east and onward rode the Eorlingas
through Folde and Fenmarch and the Firienwood
and:
And then on again through the Folde; and through the Fenmarch[...]

3. According to the Shire map, Rushock Bog was located along the Water (where it divides into two arms, north-west of Hobbiton).

So 2 is obviously untrue!

[Pitchwife]

Might, are you still with us?

[The Might]

I am now, and of course, do carry on! :)

Hope it'll be a hard one. ;)

[Pitchwife]

Well, I'll try my very best...

Casualties

1. Faramir was slain in battle with the Wainriders.
2. Théodred was slain in the second battle of the Fords of Isen.
3. Grimbold was slain in the battle on the Pelennor Fields.

[Eönwë]

I believe 'tis the first one.

[Pitchwife]

No, sorry, Eonwe, 1. is not a lie. That one was a red herring.

[The Might]

It sure was, since there were two Faramirs. The first one, meant here, was indeed mortally wounded by Wainriders.
And Grimbold did indeed die at the Battle of the Pelennor Fields.
However, Theodred died at the First, not the Second Battle. So that's the lie.

[Eönwë]

I knew it seemed too easy...

[Pitchwife]

Might, I knew you would! Correct, of course. Go ahead!
And Eonwe, the other Faramir was the younger son of King Ondoher of Gondor, about a millennium or so before Boromir's little brother (but a little brother as well). Sorry for being mean.;)

[The Might]

Ok, here comes a new one:

Rog was considered strongest of the Noldor.
The term for a wose in Rohan was róg.
Rodyn is the only Sindarin name for the last day of the week.


Btw, tried to make it hard and with a bit of an alliteration. :D

[Pitchwife]

OK, if nobody else is interested...

Rog was the strongest of the Noldor in the BoLT Fall of Gondolin - true.
róg = wose in the true language of Rohan, according to UT, The Drúedain - true.
However, Rodyn (the weekday dedicated to the Valar) was also called Orbelain in Sindarin. This one's a lie.

(Alliteration appreciated!:))

[The Might]

Correct answer is also appreciated! :D

[Pitchwife]

Sorry to keep you waiting, but I've been busy moving and had no internet access for the last week or so. Have a little patience, it's cooking and will soon be served.
(If anybody has something up his/her sleeve and is dying to post it, feel free!)

[Pitchwife]

OK, here it comes (theme inspired by current RL events):

1. The eastern tip of the island on which the Eldar were ferried from Middle-Earth to Valinor broke off and became the Isle of Balar.
2. The Edain moved to Númenor on Elvish ships steered by sailors from Cirdan's people.
3. Before the Éothéod moved to Calenardhon, their capital was at the confluence of the two tributary streams of the river Greylin.

[Andsigil]

OK, here it comes (theme inspired by current RL events):

1. The eastern tip of the island on which the Eldar were ferried from Middle-Earth to Valinor broke off and became the Isle of Balar.
2. The Edain moved to Númenor on Elvish ships steered by sailors from Cirdan's people.
3. Before the Éothéod moved to Calenardhon, their capital was at the confluence of the two tributary streams of the river Greylin.

1 is definitely true. It used to be Tol Eressea

2 is true (Unfinished Tales?)

3 is false. The Éothéod's original capital (later called Framsburg) was in between the Greylin and the Langwell, which were both part of Anduin.

[Pitchwife]

Spot on, Andsigil! Thread is yours!
(And yes, 2. is from UT, A Description of Númenor)

[Andsigil]

Okay, let's see...

1) Bifur's kinsman wore a cloak of celadon when he met Bilbo.

2) Groin's son accompanied Thorin to meet Beorn.

3) Fundin's son was the first to have his cell unlocked in Mirkwood.

[Andsigil]

*bump*

Anyone?

[Hakon]

Okay, let's see...

1) Bifur's kinsman wore a cloak of celadon when he met Bilbo.

2) Groin's son accompanied Thorin to meet Beorn.

3) Fundin's son was the first to have his cell unlocked in Mirkwood.

I just found this thread. Seems like a fun game.

The lie is is number two.

[crazzycat]

maybe the ie is number three?:smokin:

[leebingate]

Actually, you are right, although the reason is wrong, I think. Eorl the Young (My namesake) is called young, not because he died young, but because he kept his youthful vitality and bright-golden hair (instead of turning white) to the very end of his days.

[Corsair_Caruso]

So, on other forums I've been in, posting on threads that have been dead for extended periods is somewhat frowned upon, but I've seen no predilection against it here... so I'm going to go ahead. Please let me know I should avoid this in the future.

1) Tarannon Falastur was the first king of Gondor to die without children.

2) The Steward Boromir had the longest rule of the Ruling Stewards.

3) Arvedui was not yet king of Arthedain when he petitioned to the Council of Gondor for the crown.

[Mithalwen]

On the whole it is preferred here that you do ressurect old threads rather than restart near idrentical so feel free.

[Corsair_Caruso]

No takers?

[Galadriel55]

I'm way too rusty, and I never knew these geneology detailes that well in the first place. I will take a blind stab at #2, but without researching the facts I can't actually give a proper answer.

[Corsair_Caruso]

I'm way too rusty, and I never knew these geneology detailes that well in the first place. I will take a blind stab at #2, but without researching the facts I can't actually give a proper answer.

Huzzah! You're right! The Steward Boromir actually ruled for only 12 years, the shortest rule of any of the Stewards, and died especially young due to complications from a Morgul-wound.

[Galadriel55]

Oh wow, lucky guess! :D Well, here's a fairly easy one:

1) When looking in the mirror of Galadriel, Frodo saw only one sunset.
2) Pippin saw only one scene in the Palantir before Sauron's "voice" came.
3) Four Rangers of Ithilien came simultaneously to Frodo and Sam when they were found by the smoke of their fire and taken to stay with Faramir.

EDIT: PS: Caruso, are you familiar with The Silmarillion and Children of Hurin? I was gonna post a question about the First Age, but I realized that not everybody has read these books, and I wanted it to be fair.

[Corsair_Caruso]

Oh wow, lucky guess! :D Well, here's a fairly easy one:

1) When looking in the mirror of Galadriel, Frodo saw only one sunset.
2) Pippin saw only one scene in the Palantir before Sauron's "voice" came.
3) Four Rangers of Ithilien came simultaneously to Frodo and Sam when they were found by the smoke of their fire and taken to stay with Faramir.

EDIT: PS: Caruso, are you familiar with The Silmarillion and Children of Hurin? I was gonna post a question about the First Age, but I realized that not everybody has read these books, and I wanted it to be fair.

I've read The Hobbit, The Lord of the Rings, The Silmarillion, Unfinished Tales, The Children of Hurin, Morgoth's Ring, The Peoples of Middle-earth, and The Letters of J.R.R. Tolkien.

[Galadriel55]

I've read The Hobbit, The Lord of the Rings, The Silmarillion, Unfinished Tales, The Children of Hurin, Morgoth's Ring, The Peoples of Middle-earth, and The Letters of J.R.R. Tolkien.

Oh wow! That's more canon than I've read! :o Well, expect something First Age next time I post. :)

[Corsair_Caruso]

Oh wow! That's more canon than I've read! :o Well, expect something First Age next time I post. :)

I'll take a crack at your question later today. And First Age questions sound great!

[Tar-Verimuchli]

I'll give this a go. Frodo sees more than one sunset in the mirror.

[Galadriel55]

I'll give this a go. Frodo sees more than one sunset in the mirror.

That is correct! Frodo sees the sun set several times - two or three, maybe even four, I can't remember exactly, but definitely not one. Well done!

[Tar-Verimuchli]

Cool. Silmarillion questions then.
1. Only 12 men of the House of Beor remain in Dorthonion before Sauron has all but Beren killed.
2. Glaurung's siblings fight in the fall of Gondolin.
3. Turin and Brandir are related as they share 2 great grandparents.

[Orphalesion]

Cool. Silmarillion questions then.
1. Only 12 men of the House of Beor remain in Dorthonion before Sauron has all but Beren killed.
2. Glaurung's siblings fight in the fall of Gondolin.
3. Turin and Brandir are related as they share 2 great grandparents.


Number 2 is a lie, there were dragons in Gondolin, but Glaurung is never mentioned to have had siblings, he is called (probably metaphorically) the father of Dragons.

(Turin and Brandir share 2 great grandparents, Halmir and his wife)

[Tar-Jêx]

Cool. Silmarillion questions then.
1. Only 12 men of the House of Beor remain in Dorthonion before Sauron has all but Beren killed.
2. Glaurung's siblings fight in the fall of Gondolin.
3. Turin and Brandir are related as they share 2 great grandparents.

The 2nd and 3rd statements were probably a bit too obvious, making it easy to determine the lie.

I'm not particularly good at wording questions to make them confusing and vague, but I'd like some more questions related to Turin.

[Orphalesion]

The 2nd and 3rd statements were probably a bit too obvious, making it easy to determine the lie.

I'm not particularly good at wording questions to make them confusing and vague, but I'd like some more questions related to Turin.

So was I right?

[Galadriel55]

So was I right?

Well, Tar-Verimuchli didn't confirm the answer, but it doesn't look like he's gonna come back to do so anytime soon. Feel free to take the turn.

[Orphalesion]

Alright :)

1) The Easterlings of Hithlum called the Elves "White-fiends".
2) According to Hobbit folktales Trolls originated in the Ironwood in the east.
3) According to Rohrrim folktales Halflings have voices like birds.

[Tar-Jêx]

Alright :)

1) The Easterlings of Hithlum called the Elves "White-fiends".
2) According to Hobbit folktales Trolls originated in the Ironwood in the east.
3) According to Rohrrim folktales Halflings have voices like birds.

I'm quite sure the Easterlings of Hithlum did address the elves as 'white-fiends' as they did not trust them, and thought they were too pale to have done anything of use.

I think I remember the Rohirrim stating that the Halflings have voices like birds, but I can't be as certain as the first one.

While Trolls did come from Eastern lands, I do not believe that it was specified as to where exactly they originated. This makes the second option suspect. In my reading, I have not come across any reference to Trolls in the Ironwood. Trolls came from Mordor, and dark lands, but moved West to Eriador some time during the Second Age, perhaps earlier. Native trolls are a very uncommon thing to find in Eriador. I'm calling this the lie.

[Tar-Verimuchli]

Well, Tar-Verimuchli didn't confirm the answer, but it doesn't look like he's gonna come back to do so anytime soon. Feel free to take the turn.

Sorry, didn't notice the replies. Tar Jex is right, there are 13 men of the house of Beor left in Dorthonion not 12. The Silmarillion states that dragons of the brood of Glaurung are part of the army that sacks Gondolin and Brandir and Turin are both great grandsons of Hador of the third house and Halmir of the second.

[Orphalesion]

I'm quite sure the Easterlings of Hithlum did address the elves as 'white-fiends' as they did not trust them, and thought they were too pale to have done anything of use.

I think I remember the Rohirrim stating that the Halflings have voices like birds, but I can't be as certain as the first one.

While Trolls did come from Eastern lands, I do not believe that it was specified as to where exactly they originated. This makes the second option suspect. In my reading, I have not come across any reference to Trolls in the Ironwood. Trolls came from Mordor, and dark lands, but moved West to Eriador some time during the Second Age, perhaps earlier. Native trolls are a very uncommon thing to find in Eriador. I'm calling this the lie.

You are right. I was hoping that the Edda talking about the Trolls living in the Ironwood in the east of Midgard would confuse people.

The Easterlings calling the E;ves withe-fiends is from the Tale of the Children of Hurin, Eomer says that all the Rohirrim know of Hobbits is that they live far away and have voices like birds.

Your turn.

[Tar-Jêx]

1. By the time Bilbo has found the ring, Saruman had already betrayed the White Council
2. In Riddles in the Dark, Bilbo tells 5 riddles
3. Both of Mîm's sons died at Amon Rûdh

[Andsigil]

1. By the time Bilbo has found the ring, Saruman had already betrayed the White Council
2. In Riddles in the Dark, Bilbo tells 5 riddles
3. Both of Mîm's sons died at Amon Rûdh

1) I believe is true, as Saruman had already betrayed them in his heart, if not overtly.

2) is true, if you count, "What do I have in my pocket?" as a riddle. Gollum did (but wanted 3 guesses... and actually took 4).

3) I think is the lie. I remember one son died at Amon Rûdh, but wasn't the other MIA?

[Tar-Jêx]

1) I believe is true, as Saruman had already betrayed them in his heart, if not overtly.

2) is true, if you count, "What do I have in my pocket?" as a riddle. Gollum did (but wanted 3 guesses... and actually took 4).

3) I think is the lie. I remember one son died at Amon Rûdh, but wasn't the other MIA?

Incorrect. Khîm was wounded by Turin's men, but succumbed to his wounds in Amon Rûdh. At least, that was one version of the story. There have been quite a few iterations of the story, but I believe in the most recently published edition, Khîm died at his home.

[Tar-Verimuchli]

Incorrect. Khîm was wounded by Turin's men, but succumbed to his wounds in Amon Rûdh. At least, that was one version of the story. There have been quite a few iterations of the story, but I believe in the most recently published edition, Khîm died at his home.

His other son, Ibun, doesn't die in Amon Rudh (or, at least, is not stated to have died there), he's captured by orcs but not mentioned after although later Mim says to Hurin that he is the last of his people.

[Tar-Jêx]

His other son, Ibun, doesn't die in Amon Rudh (or, at least, is not stated to have died there), he's captured by orcs but not mentioned after although later Mim says to Hurin that he is the last of his people.

Ibun died in the Sack of Amon Rudh, leading the reader to believe that he was killed their. His fate was vague, and it's probably different through all of the versions.

Bilbo and Gollum were both in internal agreement that his fifth questions was not a riddle, even though they went along with it and treated it like one.

[Tar-Verimuchli]

Ibun died in the Sack of Amon Rudh, leading the reader to believe that he was killed their. His fate was vague, and it's probably different through all of the versions.



The Silmarillion just says that Ibun and Mim are captured by orcs while looking for roots away from Amon Rudh then doesn't mention Ibun again apart from Mim's statement to Hurin when they meet in Nargothrond that he is the last of his people. In The Children of Hurin, Mim and Ibun deliberately betray the outlaws to the orcs who insist on holding Ibun hostage and are said to have no intention of keeping their side of the bargain. Mim then tries to kill Beleg at Amon Rudh but Ibun is not mentioned. The Unfinished Tales skips the events at Amon Rudh. It's reasonable to conclude from the Silmarillion and the Children of Hurin that the orcs hold Ibun hostage away from Amon Rudh to make sure that Mim keeps to his side of the bargain then kill him after the sack.

[Tar-Jêx]

The Silmarillion just says that Ibun and Mim are captured by orcs while looking for roots away from Amon Rudh then doesn't mention Ibun again apart from Mim's statement to Hurin when they meet in Nargothrond that he is the last of his people. In The Children of Hurin, Mim and Ibun deliberately betray the outlaws to the orcs who insist on holding Ibun hostage and are said to have no intention of keeping their side of the bargain. Mim then tries to kill Beleg at Amon Rudh but Ibun is not mentioned. The Unfinished Tales skips the events at Amon Rudh. It's reasonable to conclude from the Silmarillion and the Children of Hurin that the orcs hold Ibun hostage away from Amon Rudh to make sure that Mim keeps to his side of the bargain then kill him after the sack.

I see, however, that doesn't change that he died during the Sack of Amon Rudh, just not directly at Amon Rudh. If I worded the questions so that it asked whether both sons had died surrounding the events of the Sack of Amon Rudh, it would be a lot clearer, however, would make it too obvious.

Either way, the intended lie was that Bilbo told 5 riddles, as "What is in my pocket...?" is not a proper riddle.

[Tar-Verimuchli]

As the last lie and truths has been answered by person who wrote it, here's one on Children of Hurin.

1. In his later writings, Tolkien considered making Sador one of the druedain.
2. Turin's sword, Anglachel, forged by Eol from a meteorite, is given to him by Thingol.
3. Turin's sister, Urwen, died before his other sister, Nienor was born.

[Tar-Jêx]

As the last lie and truths has been answered by person who wrote it, here's one on Children of Hurin.

1. In his later writings, Tolkien considered making Sador one of the druedain.
2. Turin's sword, Anglachel, forged by Eol from a meteorite, is given to him by Thingol.
3. Turin's sister, Urwen, died before his other sister, Nienor was born.

The second one is a lie. Anglachel was given to Beleg Cuthalion by King Thingol, but in a tragic turn of events, Turin slew Beleg with his own sword, thus leading him to keep it, until it was reforged in Nargothrond as Gurthang.

I would say that Anglachel wasn't Turin's sword, but Beleg's. Turin merely kept it, and used it, but it became his own when it became Gurthang.

[Tar-Verimuchli]

Correct. That was quick!

[Corsair_Caruso]

I think I'm becoming a regular necromancer for this thread ;)

1. No King of Númenórean descent after the foundation of Arnor and Gondor ever took the name Elendil.

2. The Steward Cirion's son, Hallas, came up with the name the Kingdom of Rohan, when it was given to Eorl and the Eotheod.

3. The term for "Regent" in Quenya, referring to a royal descendent exercising the King's authority on his behalf, is given as "Karma-Kundo" meaning "seat-guardian," and can more generally be translated as "Guardian of the Throne."