Vague Descriptions [Archive] - Page 2 - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Inziladun

01-02-2009, 11:43 AM

It did give me a considerable head start, I must admit.
People here are entirely too good at this. It's a shame there isn't some sort of game show dealing with Tolkien lore and involving large amounts of money. ;)
Anyway...

Remember the one who refused to be a king?

Ilya

01-02-2009, 01:19 PM

Would it perhaps be Vardamir?

Inziladun

01-02-2009, 01:48 PM

Indeed it would. The thread is yours.

Ilya

01-03-2009, 12:04 AM

Cool.

Remember the one who was ambushed?

Inziladun

01-03-2009, 01:09 PM

I can think of a few who might qualify. My first guess would be Túrin, by Saeros.

Beregond

01-03-2009, 01:28 PM

Second guess: Celebrian, by Orcs.

Ilya

01-03-2009, 05:50 PM

It was indeed Celebrian I had in mind. Your go, Beregond. :)

Beregond

01-03-2009, 11:26 PM

Hooray! :)

Remember the one whom phantom betrayed?

Inziladun

01-03-2009, 11:39 PM

Beren, maybe? Betrayed by Gorlim?

Beregond

01-03-2009, 11:54 PM

Hrmm, hooom, well, no... but you are hasty folk, and have spoiled the answer, which is Gorlim. You may proceed, for thou are close as can be. :)

Inziladun

01-04-2009, 12:10 AM

Ahhh. Sorry about that, mate. I had the picture of Gorlim appearing to Beren in my head, and it clouded the fact that Gorlim's wraith didn't really betray anyone.
Anyways...

Remember the one who was carried by six?

Beregond

01-04-2009, 12:20 AM

Good question! Bombur?

I almost hope I'm wrong, because we've been answering these so quickly. But I can't help but try. :p

Inziladun

01-04-2009, 09:39 AM

It seems finding a real poser for you lot is going to be tough. ;)
Well done.

Beregond

01-04-2009, 02:27 PM

It is hard to write a difficult question that is not so vague as to provoke a guessing-game! :)

Remember this one, giver of toothy adornment?

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The Might

01-04-2009, 03:16 PM

I am not sure what you mean by toothy really, but I have the feeling that you use toothy somewhat figuratively and that you then mean something bad or evil... maybe a wrong interpretation, but just a thought so far.

In that case I'll take Hurin as giver of the Nauglamir which caused the downfall of Doriath eventually.

Inziladun

01-04-2009, 04:01 PM

If not that, perhaps Gollum giving "the marks of his teeth" to Aragorn?

Beregond

01-04-2009, 04:29 PM

Good answers, but both wrong. Although I like figurative language you'll find I didn't use it in this case. :)

Ilya

01-04-2009, 08:30 PM

Fram, then, who sent the Dwarves Scatha's teeth.

Beregond

01-04-2009, 09:00 PM

Very sharp! Take it away! :)

Ilya

01-05-2009, 12:14 PM

Thankee.

Remember the one with the colorful name?

The Might

01-05-2009, 12:36 PM

I immediately thought "Hobbits" after reading the question so I went through all the Hobbit names and the one that seems most colourful is:

Lavender Boffin, as lavender is a colour. Although others may theoretically also represent colours...

Ilya

01-05-2009, 01:09 PM

Ha, yeah, hobbits do have very colorful names, but Lavender isn't who I'm thinking of. The one I have in mind's more than a little taller.

Pitchwife

01-05-2009, 01:18 PM

Caranthir (=Red-faced) ?

Inziladun

01-05-2009, 01:35 PM

Hmmm. What about Elu Thingol, aka Elwë Singollo (Greycloak)?

Ilya

01-05-2009, 01:38 PM

No, and no, unfortunately.

Pitchwife

01-05-2009, 01:53 PM

Saruman of many colours?

Ilya

01-05-2009, 03:12 PM

No, not him. Good guess, though. You're closer than last time.

Beregond

01-05-2009, 03:21 PM

What about Legolas Greenleaf?

Ilya

01-05-2009, 04:24 PM

He's a fine fellow to guess, but, no, not Legolas.

Pitchwife

01-05-2009, 04:36 PM

Either of the Blue Wizards?

Ilya

01-05-2009, 04:52 PM

Neither of the Blue Wizards, alas.

Inziladun

01-05-2009, 06:35 PM

Surely not Radagast the Brown?

Ilya

01-05-2009, 06:52 PM

Surely not. :)

Beregond

01-05-2009, 07:26 PM

It cannot be Gandalf the White, or Gandalf Greyhame?

Ilya

01-05-2009, 07:31 PM

Ah, but it can. Mithrandir was the name I was thinking of, but you were close enough. Thread's yours.

Beregond

01-05-2009, 09:45 PM

Oh! Caught me by surprise. The better known characters are harder to guess. :)

Remember these men? No carrots and coal for them!

The Might

01-05-2009, 11:27 PM

Wait, let me ask this first:

Is there really a moment when men are denied literally carrots and coal?!

Beregond

01-05-2009, 11:46 PM

No, no (well, not to my knowledge!). This question is more...abstract? Maybe only people from certain parts of the world will get it. :\

Gollum the Great

01-06-2009, 01:53 AM

Dead blind: The men who tied up Mim?

Beregond

01-06-2009, 07:54 AM

Hehe, that's a good guess, but not even close, sorry. :)

The Might

01-06-2009, 03:06 PM

The only connection I can establish is that snowmen are decorated with coal and with carrots to look more human.

Let me think then... no clue really what I should look for...

Thinlómien

01-06-2009, 03:09 PM

So that could be the lossoth, actually?

Beregond

01-06-2009, 03:09 PM

Well, there's no hint now that could help you further...

EDIT: Lommy, you're right! It is, in fact, the Snowmen of Forochel, the Lossoth! I've been waiting to include them in a question for some time. :p

Thinlómien

01-06-2009, 03:12 PM

If Miggy wants to, he may take the thread, though, because I would never have realised it without him. :D:)

Beregond

01-06-2009, 03:12 PM

Seems like a good solution. :)

Inziladun

01-06-2009, 09:34 PM

That was a good one, and I'm grateful it was solved so quickly. I'd have likely been tearing out hair over it by this time tomorrow. ;)

Beregond

01-06-2009, 09:43 PM

Hehe, I'll take that compliment. The Snowmen have always fascinated me - not only because of their name, but because they used to slide around on the ice with bones on their feet! I wonder if they invented hockey too?

*waits for TM*

The Might

01-06-2009, 10:12 PM

No, no, Lommy should go ahead here because it takes a lot more to make a connection to the Lossoth in my opinion, I definitely had not even thought of that.

So Lommy, do continue, please! :)

Thinlómien

01-07-2009, 12:24 PM

Well, I disagree, but I'll take the thread if you insist. :D:)

Remember the one who was first the younger one but then the old one?

Gollum the Great

01-07-2009, 12:29 PM

A lot of people come under that category, but do you mean someone who aged really quickly?

Thinlómien

01-07-2009, 12:40 PM

No, I do not mean that. :)

Gollum the Great

01-07-2009, 12:45 PM

No, I do not mean that. :)

Hmm. I must've read your question too fast.

The younger first and then the older? Bizarre. Brain warming up...

Thinlómien

01-07-2009, 12:49 PM

Warm your brain carefully.... ;) I won't give any hints until it starts to look like too difficult.

Beregond

01-07-2009, 12:50 PM

Very, very tough! There are a few to whom the clue might apply. My first guess will be Earendil, who was probably the youngest escapee from the sacking of Gondolin. He was, of course, made immortal, and as far as we know is still up in the sky (that's pretty old).

Thinlómien

01-07-2009, 12:55 PM

Hmmm, nice reasoning (and the kind of thinking I'm sort of looking for) but no, it's not Eärendil. Anything else interesting among your few ideas? ;):)

Beregond

01-07-2009, 12:59 PM

Yes, in fact! ;)

Meneldil. Purportedly the last birth in Numenor and a fourth child, yet he was the first of his siblings to take the throne (maybe they sisters?).

I have a feeling that's not correct though. :(

Inziladun

01-07-2009, 01:15 PM

My guess is King Aldor the Old of Rohan, who became king after the death of his elder brother, Baldor.

Thinlómien

01-07-2009, 01:25 PM

Beregond's on the right track but Inziladun has the right answer. :) Please take the thread, sir.

It wasn't too difficult after all, was it? :D

Gollum the Great

01-07-2009, 01:29 PM

Inziladun has the right answer.

*Brain dies*

Beregond

01-07-2009, 02:13 PM

My guess is King Aldor the Old of Rohan, who became king after the death of his elder brother, Baldor.

Wow, very nicely done! :)

Inziladun

01-07-2009, 09:23 PM

Wow, very nicely done! :)

Thanks much. The finding of Baldor's remains by Aragorn and Co. I've always found fascinating.
Here goes:

Remember the place where lie the small with the great?

Ilya

01-07-2009, 09:41 PM

Possibly the Pelennor Fields, where death lords took and lowly?

Inziladun

01-07-2009, 09:43 PM

A good guess, but not what I had in mind.

Beregond

01-07-2009, 10:19 PM

The fields of battle in Arnor, where the Hobbits sent archers who never returned from the war against Angmar?

Inziladun

01-08-2009, 05:08 AM

You're getting warmer, but no, that's not it.

The Might

01-08-2009, 06:21 PM

What about the House of Kings?

Merry and Pippin next to all the stars of M-e including Elendil and Aragorn? :D

Beregond

01-08-2009, 06:31 PM

Oooooooh! I had forgotten that they were laid to rest in Rath Dinen. I bet you're right. This one was driving me crazy. :)

Inziladun

01-08-2009, 06:56 PM

What about the House of Kings?

Merry and Pippin next to all the stars of M-e including Elendil and Aragorn? :D

Rath Dínen, it is! I almost put "small" in parentheses in the original question, but I thought that might make it too easy.
The thread is yours , sir.

The Might

01-12-2009, 02:27 PM

Remember those descending from ages past?

Groin Redbeard

01-12-2009, 07:21 PM

The line of Barahir?

Legate of Amon Lanc

01-13-2009, 04:37 AM

The line of Barahir?

Groin, when you are here, perhaps you would like to take a look at the Geography Direction Quiz ;) :p

The Might

01-13-2009, 07:06 AM

Nope.

Ilya

01-13-2009, 10:05 PM

Hmm...the Silvan elves, maybe?

Legate of Amon Lanc

01-14-2009, 04:38 AM

I guess you don't mean the mathoms :smokin:

The Might

01-14-2009, 07:29 AM

No and no. Old. Like very old.

Beregond

01-14-2009, 08:09 AM

Would it be the Druadan? Maybe they aren't old enough..

Vaine

01-14-2009, 10:42 AM

Remember those descending from ages past?

Istari?

The Might

01-17-2009, 07:47 PM

Older than Druedain.

Istari don't count as they never descended from anything. They just were there. :D

Inziladun

01-17-2009, 09:21 PM

Here's a wild stab- the spiders of Mirkwood, descended from Ungoliant?

Vaine

01-18-2009, 05:14 AM

Older than Druedain.

Istari don't count as they never descended from anything. They just were there. :D

descended can mean something else than descending from ancestors, I was thinking descending from 'heaven' or something in that fasion. :p

The Might

01-18-2009, 10:51 AM

Ok, that is true, but still wrong. :D

The spiders of Mirkwood are a good idea, although not old enough.

Ilya

01-20-2009, 07:23 PM

Hmm...along the same lines, then, how about the long-worms, decendents of dragons?

The Might

01-21-2009, 04:48 AM

Nope.

Vaine

01-21-2009, 11:51 AM

Just gonna throw a quick stab here:

The white tree saplings, being descendants of Telperion.

The Might

01-21-2009, 02:06 PM

Older. :D

Vaine

01-21-2009, 02:44 PM

I think I got it:

Wargs descending from the werewolves of the first age.

The Might

01-21-2009, 03:17 PM

That isn't older than Telperion I believe... so it can only be wrong.

Look further back! :)

Vaine

01-21-2009, 03:19 PM

The mearas, descending from the horses of Aman?

The Might

01-21-2009, 10:41 PM

Ok, that's a good thought, but still not old enough.

Think before Aman, before they went to live over the sea. :)

Beregond

01-21-2009, 10:45 PM

It's hard to look to a time without the two trees. ;)

The dwarves? Any chance they were created before Telperion? I don't remember what the book says...

The Might

01-21-2009, 10:47 PM

Wait... weren't the Dwarves made after they moved to Aman?

Please correct me if I am wrong there. ;)

Beregond

01-21-2009, 10:54 PM

Oh! Before they went to Aman! I missed that.

This is hard! I can't think of anyone who came in the period between Aman and the song of the Maiar. And I don't think you can mean the Maiar, because they didn't "descend" from anyone.

Unless you mean....erm...someone like the Valaraukar?

Thinlómien

01-22-2009, 01:40 AM

Just Elves?

Gollum the Great

01-22-2009, 01:46 AM

I'm wondering... it wasn't some species of tree, was it? Not the Malorn?

Vaine

01-22-2009, 06:47 AM

Think before Aman, before they went to live over the sea.

Edit:
Before the two trees were made, before they came to live on Aman.
only thing that comes to mind are the vanyar, possibly.
What other creatures existed at the years of the Lamps?

PS. Beregond:

The Valaraukar were maiar themselves..

The Might

01-22-2009, 12:04 PM

Yes, the malorn also are pretty old...
But the thing is for this particular thing... it is said about it that it is said about it to be of this descent :D

Think about the time when they still used to live in Almaren or sometime afterwards...

Vaine

01-22-2009, 12:38 PM

I think I just realised, when you say 'they' you mean the Valar, and not the 'thing' this puzzle is about.

... thing eh, Are you talking about the Lamps of the Valar, being of the age when the island of Almaren got destroyed by melkor?

Or possibly The Children of illuvatar, as all of them could trace their ancestry to the same age and event.

or even the inland seas of helcar and rhun?

Beregond

01-22-2009, 03:50 PM

The Valaraukar were maiar themselves..

Yes, I know - I thought since the Balrogs were a type of Maiar...meh, it was just a terrible guess. :p

The Might

01-22-2009, 06:06 PM

Nope, sorry Vaine. Actually, the idea with the horses previously was not that bad... maybe think in a similar direction.

Ilya

01-22-2009, 09:57 PM

Quite a stumper. is it a place, maybe? Utumno? From whence Melkor's evil flowed?

Vaine

01-23-2009, 03:31 AM

Nope, sorry Vaine. Actually, the idea with the horses previously was not that bad... maybe think in a similar direction.

But I was right about the 'they' thing?
That you mean the Valar and not the 'thing' in question?

New Suggestion:

The Kine of araw, being descendants of the cattle of Oromë.

The Might

01-23-2009, 09:42 AM

Vaine wins! ;) I'll have to rep you for that when I can.

Good job there, looking forward to seeing what you have planned. :D

Vaine

01-23-2009, 09:47 AM

Vaine wins! ;) I'll have to rep you for that when I can.

Good job there, looking forward to seeing what you have planned. :D

Funny, I had already suggested the Kine, but I edited the post with the Mearas before you had a chance to read it.

I have to admit though, I dont think I have ever read about the Kine of Araw myself, having only read the Silm once and not even finished Unfinished Tales yet.
Spent alot of time searching the Creature section @ tolkiengateway :p (Well in a sense, I did read about them, just not in one of Tolkiens books ^^)

Anyway, I'm gonna have to wait untill I get home before I can post a new vague description. I have some books to skim through...

Vaine

01-23-2009, 11:37 AM

It did justice.

The Might

01-23-2009, 09:46 PM

Without any real idea... the stone of Erech?

Beregond

01-23-2009, 10:31 PM

Anglachel? Doing justice for all Turin's faux-pas by, well, drinking his blood?

Very good question! Vague.

Vaine

01-24-2009, 02:04 AM

Anglachel? Doing justice for all Turin's faux-pas by, well, drinking his blood?

Very good question! Vague.

That is correct!
The thread is yours.

Beregond

01-24-2009, 01:15 PM

Thanks! :)

Second choice mother of two

Vaine

01-24-2009, 01:58 PM

Thanks! :)

Second choice mother of two

Melian?

Beregond

01-24-2009, 02:02 PM

No, not her. :)

Beregond

01-24-2009, 02:59 PM

That's right! Second wife of Finwe, mother of Fingolfin and Finarfin. :)

She had daughters? Oh... my mistake. I looked at the family tree in the Silmarillion.

EDIT: you threw me for a turn when you deleted your post, lol!

Eönwë

01-24-2009, 03:00 PM

Indis.

Yes, sorry I deleted my post because I looked at the family tree and realised that she also had daughters.

edit: And I mean Findis and Irimë

Eönwë

01-24-2009, 03:54 PM

How about the simple:

The root of evil

Vaine

01-24-2009, 03:56 PM

How about the simple:

The root of evil

greed

Pitchwife

01-24-2009, 05:17 PM

Old Man Willow?

Eönwë

01-25-2009, 07:19 AM

You have it Pitchwife!

Go ahead.:)

Pitchwife

01-25-2009, 07:57 AM

With pleasure!:D

Remember the guy with the puzzling thing about his footwear?

Vaine

01-25-2009, 08:14 AM

With pleasure!:D

Remember the guy with the puzzling thing about his footwear?

Legolas wore boots instead of the usual light footwear of the elves.

Pitchwife

01-25-2009, 11:03 AM

Sorry, Vaine, it's not Legolas, but keep thinking along a similar line...

Gollum the Great

01-30-2009, 07:10 PM

This wouldn't be Aragorn's prototype Trotter, would it?

Pitchwife

01-31-2009, 01:49 PM

O Most Mighty Gollum, you've got it - it's Trotter indeed. Would you like to explain what the puzzling thing actually was, for the benefit of those who couldn't guess?

Anyway, the thread is yours. Well done!

Inziladun

01-31-2009, 05:59 PM

I really need to read the HOME books.

Gollum the Great

02-01-2009, 03:41 PM

I think the hobbit Trotter was captured and tortured in Barad-Dur, but escaped and had to wear wooden shoes due to the injuries inflicted on his feet. That should be near to the true story, at least, Pitchwife.

Recall the guy who met with a rock?

Vaine

02-01-2009, 04:00 PM

Gollum the Great

02-01-2009, 04:02 PM

Nope.

Inziladun

02-01-2009, 04:25 PM

Hunthor, Túrin's companion who was killed by a boulder dislodged by Glaurung?

Gollum the Great

02-02-2009, 01:21 PM

Correct, Inziladun.

Inziladun

02-02-2009, 08:36 PM

Thanks, Gollum.

Remember the last who was greatest?

Vaine

02-04-2009, 05:49 PM

Thanks, Gollum.

Remember the last who was greatest?

Last of the noldor elves in Middle earth, Galadriel, was the greatest if I am not mistaken.

Inziladun

02-04-2009, 08:14 PM

Last of the noldor elves in Middle earth, Galadriel, was the greatest if I am not mistaken.

That's a good guess, but not what I'm looking for. This person was specifically described using both adjectives.

Inziladun

02-12-2009, 06:24 PM

A week goes by with nothing new? I haven't killed this, have I? :eek:

Beregond

02-12-2009, 10:15 PM

It seems the answer to this question is in my head waiting to jump out. I almost recall the quote "And so he died: the last, who was greatest" or something like that. And unless I'm making it up or thinking of another book I'm going to kick myself if I can't find the answer. :(

*thinks about it*

Inziladun

02-12-2009, 10:17 PM

It's probably not as complicated as you might think. ;)

Gollum the Great

02-12-2009, 10:40 PM

Hurin, who was "greatest of the warriors of mortal men" if I've got the quote right; and the last of the House of Hador to fight in the Nirnaeth Arnoediad. In fact the last person to fight of anyone on his side there.

Inziladun

02-13-2009, 08:25 AM

Another good guess, but not it.
Vaine was on the right track.

Eönwë

02-13-2009, 04:15 PM

Hmm... I can feel the answer on the edge of my consciousness... I'm sure it's a Man, such as Tuor or Aragorn or Elendil.

Wait... wait... brainwave- Is it Thingol?

Inziladun

02-13-2009, 04:30 PM

Negative. But you're correct that it is a Man. Sort of. ;)

Vaine

02-14-2009, 07:35 AM

Gil-Galad? He was the last of the high kings of the Noldor, and he was a man.. sort of ;)

Inziladun

02-14-2009, 09:08 AM

No, not Gil-Glad. The person was neither an Elf nor a Dwarf.

Eönwë

02-14-2009, 10:01 AM

Ahh... So 'tis a woman?

Inziladun

02-14-2009, 06:11 PM

Ahh... So 'tis a woman?

Not a woman! But not an Elf, Dwarf, Orc, or Hobbit either. That should help! ;)

Vaine

02-15-2009, 09:19 AM

smaug? Last of the dragons of middle earth.. he was male after all.

Or Gandalf?

Inziladun

02-15-2009, 12:52 PM

Gandalf is indeed who I was looking for. The last to disembark, but the 'greatest spirit' as intuited by Círdan.
I suppose I can let slide the two guesses in one post. ;)
Go ahead with something new.

Vaine

02-15-2009, 12:59 PM

He saw it all

Eönwë

02-15-2009, 04:10 PM

Hurin?

Vaine

02-15-2009, 04:30 PM

Hurin?

Nice one, the thread is yours.

Eönwë

02-18-2009, 05:20 PM

His death was caused by his escape.

Vaine

02-19-2009, 12:43 PM

His death was caused by his escape.

I'm actually thinking Hurin.

Correct?

Eönwë

02-19-2009, 02:47 PM

Sadly no

Inziladun

02-28-2009, 11:23 AM

Khîm the Petty-dwarf, escaping from Túrin's band only to be shot by one of them?

Eönwë

03-01-2009, 03:57 PM

Incorrect.

Maybe it would be better to say his freedom rather than escape (but the thing is, he freed himself, so to speak)

Inziladun

03-01-2009, 04:51 PM

Intriguing. I'll have to give it more thought.

Eönwë

03-16-2009, 04:01 PM

Ok, should I give a hint?

Inziladun

03-16-2009, 05:03 PM

May as well. Apparently everyone's stymied.

Eönwë

03-16-2009, 05:18 PM

OK. His escape did not directly cause his death. It was the reason he escaped that got him killed in the end.

Vaine

03-18-2009, 12:33 PM

OK. His escape did not directly cause his death. It was the reason he escaped that got him killed in the end.

Gollum?

Eönwë

03-18-2009, 02:32 PM

Gollum?

No, but that's quite a good guess (well, at least in the way of ideas)

Pitchwife

04-12-2009, 03:58 PM

If not Khîm, what about Mîm?
He bought his life and freedom by betraying Bar-en-Danwedh to the Orcs, only to be killed for it by Hurin.

vadfirthe

12-22-2009, 09:28 AM

Basically, here you conceal the person/thing/place/word/quote etc. (in short, anything Tolkien-related) in a cryptic clue. This is the same principle as the cryptic clues found in crosswords.
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Eönwë

12-22-2009, 10:29 AM

It's been ages since I did this and I'm not sure who it was originally (I have a vague recollection that it might be Finrod, but that doesn't seem right either).

So I'll hand this thread over to whoever wants it.

The Might

12-26-2009, 05:24 AM

Wow, long since I haven't posted, but I the Quiz Room should be kept alive! :D

He invited someone for a drink.

Urwen

04-11-2010, 09:05 AM

Do you remember one whose best friend married one of them who are fallen?

Eorl of Rohan

04-14-2010, 02:48 AM

This is really far-fetched, but Beleg? Because, well, Turin married Niniel who cast herself into a precipice on learning that she married her brother.