WWJ Attack of the Werecats:The ppuuuurrfect village

[Valier]

The warm summer breeze blew threw the small Hobbit settlement, nestled in the rolling hills North of the Brandywine bridge. The moon was rising, casting shadows on the fair village. There on a hill overlooking the town sat three large carnivors.They sat it silence and stared.
"I think we have found it my friends!" said the largest of the three. "I agree, I agree." Said the one to left." This shall be the ppuuurrfect village for us!" Said the one with the torn ear, to the others. As they stood and looked down on the village that was to be theirs, they came up with a terrible plan. "We shall live amongst them, for awhile....until we earn their trust....then Whammo!"
"I agree, I agree!" said the one to the left as it jumped gleefully into the air.With a large feline grin, the largest of the three extended it's arm out towards the small dwellings.

"He dies, She dies, everybody dies!" said the largest, pointing to dwellings in turn,with a haunting laugh.

There they stood in awe of what was to be theirs, all theirs."Come now lets dance!" shouted the one with the torn ear. " I agree, I agree!" said the one to the left.

So they danced and waited........The night to stike would come soon enough.

[Valier]

Hello and welcome to Attack of the Werecats. I am Valier your Mod for this game of twists and surprises!! Naria shall be my Co-moddess. Her word is as good as mine, if she posts at any time please pay attention to what she says. I also must insist that you read my developing story line carefully.....You never know what you will find;)

RULES

- There will be no double lynching, if there is a tie of votes for any reason, I will choose the first player to reach the highest vote.There will be Retractable votes. They will be dislayed like so:

++Valier

Bolded and on a separate line.

If you wish to retract your vote you must do so as follows:

--Valier

++Naria

Both bolded and on separate lines.
Please do not abbuse the retractable votes. Please limit your change of vote to no more than five times.

-If you die, your dead. Do not pm or write on this thread about anything pertaining to this game. You may at no time give proof of your role.ie: Pm's

-You may only edit your posts to correct bolding, or major spelling mistakes,Also cross-posting. You must post a reason!

-If you do not vote or post two days in a row, you are killed. Unless you have a really good reason and you beg me for leniency..:p

-If you can not get to a computer, please post this in the wwj thread so others are aware.

-All players must be in invisible mode during the duration of their life in the game. Myself and Naria will be visible, so players can always ask questions if needed.

-Days and nights will begin at 5:00pm CST. The first day *RL* Will be a DAY phase. Werecats can pm till Naria and myself's death.

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Roles and rules for roles:

Innocents:The innocents roles are to cheat,lie, weasel, ally whatever they wish to weed out the Werecats in their midst.

Werecats: There will be three werecats. Their objective is to kill villagers at night, until the number of villagers equals the number of werecats.
Eacn night the werecats will select a villager to kill and pm the name to me. They may only pm each other during the night. I will reveal the name and role of the player choosen, each "morning".

Seeker: There is one seeker. Their role is to dream of villagers each night, helping the village weed out the Werecats.
Each night the Seeker pm's me with their choice of which villager, to dream about. They will recieve a true answer from their dream.

The Taker: There is one Taker, their job is to take a Werecat with them to the grave when they themselves meet their doom.
The Taker can at any time pm me with a name of a person they believe to be a Cat, they can change their pick at any time Day or Night. When the Taker dies, either by the Werecats or by being lynched by the villagers, they will take the last name pm'ed to me down with them. The role of the Taken villager will be revealed. The Taker may pm with the Protector during the Day ONLY.

The Protector: The Protector's role is to protect one villager at night from a Werecat attack.
Each night the Protector must pick one villager to protect from the Werecats, sending me their pick by pm. The Werecats can not kill that person during the night. If they try, the villager survives the night. The Protector can not protect themselves. They may only protect the same person twice in a row, no more. The Protector may pm with the Taker during the DAY only.

The Birthday Dreamer:The fifth night will be one Ordinary villagers birthday. They will receive a pm from me during the Day letting them know it's their birthday. That night they will dream about a villager of their choice. If they choose a Gifted, they will become that gifted as well, for the rest of the game. If they choose a Werecat they will become one themselves and join the pack. If they choose an Ordo the game will continue as normal.


Last but not least have fun!! I know I will!

Roles have been sent! Game will begin with a DAY phase, starting at 5:00 pm CST. Werecats may pm till my death.:D

[Valier]

"Oh lovely!! Right there! Oooohhh my aching feet! Thank you dear for coming over so late and tending to my old achy feet."
"Oh but that is what a Pediotrist does my Dear and you are o'so generous with your ale"

The two hobbit ladies sat talking joyously into the night. One massaged the feet of the other and they both drank the ale. As Naria rose to fetch more ale, a sound could be heard from outside the window.

"Valier dear did you hear that?"
"That noise just now? Yes I heard it."

Both women now standing,strained their ears to listen....
"Meow! Meow! Meow!" they suddenly hear from outside.

"I think it is a dear kitten, perhaps looking for a meal."
"Well Naria, shall we go and fetch it and fill its little belly?"
"We shall!" said the Pediotrist.

Linked arm and arm, so as not to wobble both women stepped out into the night.

"It sounds like it's coming from those hedges over there, Valier my dear."
"I concure Naria my friend."
"Here kitty, Kitty...........I don't see it! You go and fetch some of your good cream Valier and we shall lure it out."

As Valier leaned inside her icebox, she heard the distinct sounds of a kitten behind her. As she turned she saw a shadow of a cat projected onto the door by candle light.

"Awwww I see you little one. I have some nice fresh cream for you"....But as the shadow came closer, it grew bigger and bigger until it towered over the small woman.
Two screams simutaniously rang out into the night.

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DAY 1 DAWNS

As the villagers awoke and stepped out into the sunlight they knew something was wrong. Valier was always one of the first venders to set up shop in the morning to sell her tomatoes. She was nowhere to be found.

"I say we make our way to her dwelling, I bet the old bat just fell and can't get up", said Sleepy

"I hope she's ok!" whispered Kath

"Yes! I hope she is ok too!" said Wilwarin

"Ah I am sure she is as right as rain." Said Mormegil. "She probably just slept in."

As the whole village approached her house they saw something horrifying on the ground outside Valiers house.There lay Naria the Pediotrist, she was as flat as a pancake. She had been trampled to death....or maybe danced upon to death?
As they entered the open door of Valier's hole, they found her also on the ground. She was covered from head to toe, with long thin scratchs.
A girggle of blood escaped her lips as she tried to say something with her last breath....."It was the Cats!" She uttered before she passed.

"Cats? What does she mean? Asked Eonwe
"Look here villagers a note!" said Garin as he picked a piece of paper off the ground.
It read in childlike script. It said.

We three are better than thee!
We want your town.
It shall be ours.
Get out, get out while you can!
Or we three shall kill thee one by one.
This is the Puuurrrfect village!
We shall have it even if you don't please!

Signed: The Three

"What ever shall we do? AskedRoa.
"We shall find these fends and set them right!" Declared Alcarillo


So the hunt begins for the Three, who want it all.


Dead villagers:
Valier: Tomato grower- Died from a thousand cuts. Moderator
Naria- Pediotrist-Was danced upon until she died.Co-Moderater

Live villagers:
Telperaca-Baker
Kitanna-Grumpy old woman
Diamond18-Barmaid
Roa-Aoife-Folklorist
Wilwarin538-Berry picker
Nogrod-Ale brewer
Garin-Weathered former mercenary
Sleepy Ranger-Mayor
Kath-Ale drinker
Alcarillo-Fisherman
Eonwe-Wayfaring stranger
Farael-Foolofatook
Formendabras Took- Ne'er-do-well
Glirdan-Barman at the local Inn
Mormegil-Shirriff
Thinlomien-Postwoman

It is now DAY1. WereCats stop pming. Protector and Taker commence pming. And remember.....Have fun!!!!

[Kath]

OOC: What happened to 11pm!

Due to the late hour this will be my only post for the next 16 hours or so. Need to get some good drinking in. Thought I would stick my head in first though, in order that you get something coherent toDay!

Let action commence!

[Farael]

Oh, no Valier is dead!!! Who shall I buy tomatoes to throw at Glirdan's inn when he's asleep? and Naria too!! Who shall massage my feet when they are tired and sore from escaping Glirdan after he awakes?

I am terribly saddened by this situation. Only thing I know is that Kath is a werewolf!!! :p :D What? wrong game!! ok, I'll shut up now

Be back later.

[Glirdan]

Valier dead?? Oh dear... Who shall I buy my tomatoes from to cook my meals at night? And Naria as well? Who will massage my feet after I ran after Farael ( :p )?

I've heard about things along these lines happening in other villages, but they had Wolves!! :eek: By the looks of things, we're dealing with something along the same lines. We must band together and find these creatures as soon as possibly can!

I must depart for the time being but I will return later on.

[Diamond18]

Ewwwww, what a way to go. Is someone going to scrape poor Naria up? And listen to the lot of you... wailing about who you're going buy your tomatoes from and who's going to massage your stinky feet. For shame! Poor Valier and Naria are dead and all you can think about is yourselves.

Oh well, seeing as it is my job to administer numbing drink, here's a round to make you feel better. Don't look to ME to massage your feet, though. And if you want tomatoes, just do what my cousin does and steal them from Farmer Ringgworm's crop. But you didn't hear that from me.

Now that those important problems have been addressed, what's all this about three cats taking over our village? Over my dead hobbit body! I'll be back to figure out who these sinister felines are. First I must get more ale.

[Formendacil]

Got five minutes before work in which time I shall say:

"Shocking! Terrible! Got to go..."

[Farael]

So, trying to get us drunk and incoherent so early, eh Miss Diamond? (miss, right?) I shall be keeping an eye on you for the rest of the game, perhaps you an Cath are the evil feline creatures, eh?

[Diamond18]

Ha! Fool of a Took. What, exactly, is it that you do around here? Do you dance, perhaps?

And that's Miss Took, to you. *nods*

[Eonwe]

Well, considering this is the first day, and my name is Eonwe, I'm sure you all know what to expect, no? :p :cool:

I for one am taking these felines seriously. I'm leaving. Seriously, run for the hills.

[mormegil]

Well, considering this is the first day, and my name is Eonwe, I'm sure you all know what to expect, no? :p :cool:

I for one am taking these felines seriously. I'm leaving. Seriously, run for the hills.

No, what should I expect?

Time to don my cap with two feathers and do my job, which means I must leave the inn earlier than I would like.

Interesting that Farael and Diamond are already at each others throats. Seems like typical werecats to me...always fighting amongst themselves. Don't know if it means anything but it's worth keeping in mind.

[Eonwe]

This, morm, is my typical (and mostly copywrited) opening game shpeal/gambit, depending on my team status. :p


You can be sure that nothing will be gleaned from anything anyone says today. TODAY, mind you. That doesn't mean that the events of tomarrow will not shed some light on today's circumstances. Voting is useless. Who are you going to vote for, and how? If my above statement is correct (rest assured, it is) than how do YOU make you choise, eh?

Of course, there is some strategems that are easily recognizable, and I'm not ruling out any ineptitude on behalf of our wolves, er cats, that is. Miricles happen as well, so bandwagon away, I say. However, I don't expect people to be voting on what clearly amount to jokes and frivolous timepassing. Accusation is all well and good for Day 1, but suspicion should be reserved for Tomarrow at the least.

Oh and I'll be voting for the seventh person on the list. Why, you ask? Because today is the 27th, and if you subtract 20, you are left with 7. That's why.


There you have it. Nonsense? Sure. Mostly I'm joking, but you can't deny that it isn't hard for a cat (this is going to be hard to get used to) to run free and rampant today, can you? However, if you have a better way, I'll surely throw this one out.

[mormegil]

Well Eonwe that's rather specious. I hope that we all adopt a similar strategy :rolleyes:

I'm no major fan of this day, however to essetially say I won't participate because nothing can be gained is fallacy. Why maybe all of us not speak at all since it's so useless and we'll have more luck on day 2. Voting...why do that? There's nothing important to that either. I believe there are recorded villages that much was told and discovered on day 1 and therefore I find your unwillingness to participate as rather disturbing.

[Eonwe]

Nay, good sir. You mistake me. Of course voting and discussing are essential parts of this game. If we didn't talk, we would be in the same boat tomarrow. If we didn't vote today, there would be no record to analyze tommarrow. You need to build a case, or at least a gut feeling, but how can you do that today, when there are no brick lying around? You can't. That is why suspicion should not be implied today.

And of course I will be participating. Its just that many time I find that at the end of the day, when my vote is due, I have not reasonable candidate. Hence the seventh person on the list deal. Naturally, if I find a person deserving of accusation I will vote for him over the seventh person, but if none turn up, I am left with this.

I hope this is clear, as I'm certainly not calling for a board-wide boycott. That would be most unwise and most unproductive.

EDIT:

What's 'specious' mean? Did you mean 'suspicious'? Just curious.

[Garin]

I come to lament the deaths of fair Naria and Valier. They have been kind to this old warhorse.

I sit here - flanked- by two fine black cats. Good mousers that I have kept throughout my journeys. (The fat one is getting a bit lazy and has grown accustomed to spare fat from my carvings.)

I believe this will give me insight into these Werecats in our midst. However, they have been domesticated for a thousand years and hardly compare to the feline hell-spawn in our midst.

I think that, at least, one of the felines has visited us early--drunk or high on catnip from the power given them.

I will likely vote for one of the first three visitors to the village.

[Garin]

Specious:

1. Having the ring of truth or plausibility but actually fallacious: a specious argument.

[Garin]

Fallacious:

1. Containing or based on a fallacy: a fallacious assumption.
2. Tending to mislead; deceptive: fallacious testimony.

Garin's lesson is now over.

[Diamond18]

So that would mean Eonwe plans to vote for Garin.

It's an interesting idea. Perhaps I should vote for the 7th player, because there are 7 days in the week and I would like to eat chocolate on every one of them.

(OOC: do hobbits eat chocolate?)

Or vote Fareal because he (or she? I'm sorry) cast a spurious light over my noble profession. *sniff*

Though if I really want to be in character, I could vote Garin as well, because hobbits are suspicious of those who operate outside the box. He's travelled and owns cats.

Actually I do think Eonwe has a point... but somehow it seems kind of nasty to vote someone off randomly thus ending the game prematurely for them, for no discernable reason besides the belief that there can be no reasonable votes toDay. It'll be hard to come up with something, yeah, but we at least ought to try....

[Roa_Aoife]

(OOC- I have recently relapsed into Mono. I may or may not be coherent.)

Now then, as resident folklorist, I have taken it upon myself to research the strange creatures that now walk among us.

Many of you have already heard tale of the Carnivora Canidae, commonly called Lycanthopes or werewolves, but what you don't now is that they actually belong to a larger family of creatures known as Therianthropes. Therianthropes have been known to become anything from the common wolf to to the far more rare dragon. (Let us be glad that we don't have three of those in our midst.) The species we are dealing with is called Carnivora Felidae. It is my belief that these particular beasts are Cladotheriothropes, meaning they take on all the characterististics of the feline species, rather than just one.

(Pleased be amazed at what you can find on the internet.)

Now then, Eonwe is right. We have very little to go on today, and a medium spread of votes is our best "shot in the dark," as it were. However, mormegil is also right. We can catch a cat today if we put serious effort into it rather than just brush this off as "Day 1" and accept the death of an innocent. A random vote can be helpful or it can be misleading. A serious vote can also be helpful or misleading. This is a game of poly-bluffs. I say we should try our best today to get information and establish patterns. If by the time it comes to vote you remain unconvinced of anyone's guilt, then by all means, vote randomly. I personally don't like random votes, and I will be voting for whoever I find the most suspicious at the end of the day. (Or least suspicious... this particular species has been known to be rather sly.)

[Garin]

Thanks for that Roa....

[Farael]

What easier way for a werecat to hide than to cast a random vote? Eonwe already knows what that could lead to (if not, I have a Mathom to give you... it's an old history book, it tells a story about the nineteenth village to be infected by werewolves). No intelligent player would use a tactic that got him/her lynched before he/she could even get into the flow of the game unless.... he wants to avoid suspicion by being so obviously suspicious it just can't be true

Trust me, I know about that... in the Mathom there is a passage about this man with, surprise!, the same name I have.... who happened to adopt a tactic so very suspicious he flew under the radar for the most part. Sadly, and even though he was right, he got lynched in the final day.

Anyhow, I think that Eonwe is playing fool because he knows it'll keep him safe, so I say

++Eonwe

And off with him. Furthermore, if we are to loose an innocent villager today, might as well be this random voter.

[Glirdan]

*OOC - Is it just me or does Garin get a vote on Day 1 in every game??

I must agree with the comments made earlier that Day 1's are completely and utterly useless. However, I must also agree that if we do not discuss or come up with strategies, we will not be able to pin down these felines. I also don't agree with Eonwe's strategy on voting for some random person because of some random number. I do, however, believe that most of toDay's votes will be random unless something suspicious does appear. That is why I will withold my vote until shortly before the Day ends (*OCC - I have school so I will only be able to quicly scan the posts). It also seems that we have a rivlary already between Farael and Diamond. I think we should keep an eye on these two (as morm said earlier) as either one of them or both of them could be a Wolves. Now let me go attend to my bar.

[Roa_Aoife]

I disagree, Farael. One could argue that voting so rediculously early is suspicious. The tactic of random votes on the first day is a rather common one in my understanding. And the other times I have read about people named Eonwe show the same behavior regardless of role.

When we have nothing to go on, a good spread of votes can help narrow the field. I wouldn't be so hasty to pass judgement. The day has just begun, and many of our fellow villagers have yet to join the fray. Why such an early vote when you know that it too is incredibly suspicious? Following the very tactics you just exposed?

Edit: Cross-posted with Glirdan.

The comments today are far from useless. We can easily establish patterns if people get active enough.

[Farael]

Retractable votes, dear Roa... but I think I'll stick with mine. If that's Eonwe's way of playing, well this is mine. And by the way, why hasn't anyone picked up on the comments I made about Kath????? I think my comments towards Diamond (however playful they were) pale in comparison with the others.

Really, what's wrong with you all?

P.S: I'm not voting Eonwe for a random vote... but you have to admit that no matter how "random" none of us really chooses a number and then votes the Xth person.... we at least TRY to be random between the most suspiciously looking folks.

[Alcarillo]

I come up to town and what do I find, but two of our friends dead! The deaths of poor Naria and Valier are truly saddening occurences, even worse when the acts have been commited by three werecats, in our midst even as we speak. So Day 1 begins.

I hate Day 1. Barely anything to go on. We're stumbling through the Lockholes with only a match to light our way. Plus I'll have to vote very soon (thanks to these new-fangled time-zones the King down in Gondor has set up everywhere). So, so far, so early in the game, I have no clear idea who I'm suspicious of. Maybe of those blabbermouths who would scare all the fish out of the ocean with their tall talk of strategies and what-not. I prefer simple gut voting on Day 1. Who here seems to be attackin' and defendin' so early in the game? Whoever it is, that's your gut feelin'.

Farael seems a bit eager to vote and spread suspicion. His vote for Eonwe looks like it's on shaky ground to me. My gut feeling is that I might vote for 'im. Plus I don't like the way he's askin' what's wrong with everybody. Everybody here is a perfectly ord'nary hobbit (except for those three who are werecats, of course). Now I'm goin' back to the stream to do some fishing and to mull over what all of youse have said. I'll be back in an hour or so.

[Roa_Aoife]

And by the way, why hasn't anyone picked up on the comments I made about Kath????? I think my comments towards Diamond (however playful they were) pale in comparison with the others.

Because your statements about Kath are nonsense. There's nothing to say about them beyond that. That sort of thing is best ignored lest it detract from what's really going on. Are you intentionally trying to distract us?

[Roa_Aoife]

Double post, sorry.

Your comments towards Diamond18 are about the same, really. The only actual case you've given is that of Eonwe, and that hardly constitues a case. However, I am wondering myself what the deal is with looking at you and Diamond for "rivalry." It looks like standard Day 1 banter. What's the big deal with that? Mormegil, Glirdan, explain please.

Edit: Back in... 9-10 hours. Ish.

[Alcarillo]

Well, here I am, an hour later just as I promised. My mind has not changed, and I still think I'll vote for Farael. Oh, what the heck.

++Farael

Farael, if you turn out not to be a werecat, I'm sorry, but you're the most suspicious one out there right now.

[Farael]

Farael, if you turn out not to be a werecat, I'm sorry, but you're the most suspicious one out there right now.

Please note I've left the vote out of the quote... while it's misguided, I can see where Alcarillo is coming from.

What worries me is the apology. It's been said time and again that apologising innocents tend to be werewolves. It worries me, because more often than not it turns out not to be the case. Alcarillo's is the first vote by a relatively sane (assuming foolishness is a mental illness) person.... and I can see the pressure to issue an apology as, let's face it, he has nothing to go on with.

I don't expect to be lynched today, but should I be I want to issue a pardon towards Alcarillo. He (she?) has reasons to apologise for.

Of course, a pardon is not a "get out of jail free" card... just for the time being I'm saying that Alca's apology is reasonable.

Having gotten that out of the way, I'll continue to look at you all suspiciously.

By the way, how come no-one has made anything about my exchange with Glirdan?

[Nogrod]

I just had time to scan the situation here at school. I'll be able to post more substantially only in the evening (GMT).

But it's weird to see someone other than me being suspected at the beginning of the day 1... :)

Otherwise this seems as insane as ever. People jumping on each other look suspicious, as well as those who keep reminding others about their suspiciousness... Not to talk of those, who try to show some "voice of reason" in the midst. And loudmouths are especially suspicious, but so are the ones that try to fly under the radar... Nice game this. :rolleyes:

[Formendacil]

I think, this game, that I shall try playing without actually reading anyone's posts...

I shall actively strive to die before Day 6.

I shall pull a Nilp...

++ Formendacil.

Ermm... that's not such a wise tactic I guess.

-- Formendacil

++ Eonwe

Not for any particular reason... I just have found him totally perplexing in past games, and I'd just as soon be rid of perplexing things: perplexing and I don't get along well.

One change of vote down, and four to go...

Oh, I'm having fun here. Never, in all my eight games, played a retractable votes game before!

[Thinlómien]

Form, please don't start that. Self-votersor wannabe-self-voters never achieve anything but causing confusion. I see you saw that yourself, but that was a stupid joke. :p

Well Eonwe that's rather specious. I hope that we all adopt a similar strategy :rolleyes: I remember saying just the same in Day one in one village long time ago to him. Anyway, I agree with Roa that though Eonwe acts susoiciously it doesn't mean it's sure he's a wolf; that just eonwesque behaviour. Of course he might be using that as a cover... :rolleyes: But I don't believe so. It's just a possibility we should acknowledge.

Day 1 is useless on Day 1. On further days, it might come in very useful. And it usually does.

[Thinlómien]

It seems there's no one except me here...

++Nogrod

in case I won't be back. That's hunch-based, nothing else. I hope I can return and cast a more reasonable vote.

[Sleepy Ranger]

Alright, just got back from school. Todays going to be a busy day for me so I doubt I can post much. Expect a random vote later on.

[wilwarin538]

I'm just leaving for school so I don't have much time. The following post was written extremely quickly.

This is so terrible, I loved those lases. We must get rid of these felines, imediately. They can not win. There isn't much we can do on Day 1 but post as much as we can and come up with some sort of plan. But try to be some what logical in your voting, we don't want a gifted killed on Day 1. That's all I can say for now.

Is that my bus? :eek:

Be back at 3pmEST.

[Nogrod]

So, are there any patterns here to be seen? (The following "synopsis" is not in an accurate order of things happening, but more like trying to bind things together)

Farael has been very active, stirring discussion. Picking on a couple of people with zero-backing.

Eonwe declaring his "voting for the 7th person in the list" -tactics.

Farael attacking & voting Eonwe

Morm disliking Eonwe's tactics, noting Farael vs. Diamond issue.

Glirdan, backing Morm's suspicion about Farael vs. Diamond.

Roa seeing sense in both Eonwe & Morm, asking for explanation from Morm & Glirdan about their suspicions on Farael vs. Diamond. Accusing Farael of early voting & trying to distract us.


And all this has led to a situation, where voting stands as follows:
Eonwe 2 (Farael 1., Form 3.)
Farael 1 (Alcarillo 2.)
Nogrod 1 (Lommy 4.)

Clearly Farael and Eonwe have been the most controversial players so far (Thank's Lommy for holding my flag up too! :) ). The others have been very careful indeed - if we don't count Roa's quite attacking style against Farael (posts 24, 27, 28).

I don't have Farael quite so high in my suspicion-list. He may be rushing around, but not in an overtly suspicious manner - and his vote for Eonwe seemed to me stem from principles concerning playing styles (+ quite well argued point about declaring a fully random vote very early on being good tactics by a cat!). Neither do I see Eonwe as overtly suspicious, for he seems generally to play like that. And even if I don't quite agree with him about the reasonableness of his tactics, I can't say to suspect him either, at least for the time being.

So, again I'm also a bit worried about us possibly lynching outspoken villagers just because they talk. That is quite bad politics. Maybe we should also see, what those less posted ones have actually said so far...

I'll have to go back reading essays to school, but will be back in a couple of hours, and hopefully for a bit longer then.

[Nogrod]

Kind of left my point unspoken... :p

As I don't think that Farael is a cat.

As I don't think that Eonwe is a cat.

As I know myself not to be a cat.

I would very much suggest we widen the scope of voting a little bit... and anyhow, there are only three of us voted by now.

[mormegil]

By the way, how come no-one has made anything about my exchange with Glirdan?

And by the way, why hasn't anyone picked up on the comments I made about Kath????? I think my comments towards Diamond (however playful they were) pale in comparison with the others.

Really, what's wrong with you all?

Let me repeat your own question...Farael, what's wrong with you?

You keep asking why isn't anybody looking at me? It's almost as if you are seeking to be suspicious...but why? Are you so starved for attention that you will continually bring up your own post hoping that we will look at them? Are you a wolf...I mean 'werecat' who is trying to get just a bit of 'too obvious' suspicion on them? Or finally, are you an innocent that wants just the right amount of suspicion on you so as to help you live? I'm not sure if I'll vote for you but you are worth watching.

In my experience, the guilty party rarely expose themselves on day 1 and those that jump out to you as guilty rarely are and those you think innocent might be guilty. They post just enough and are innocuous enough to not arouse suspicion. Wilwarin fits this as does Thinlómien.

[Kitanna]

Grrr, I can see this is going to be a frustrating game, just judging on how soon everyone is throwing in a vote, knowing that they can "retract it later on" if something crosses their path.

I've just skimmed through what has been said so far, but I'll be back in about five hours and then I'll read through everything and contribute something worth while. Until then...

[Telperaca]

Eep. Sorry, I was having a lie in today..


++ Eonwe

You know he mentioned something about running away, and so far in the past, it's alway been the suspicious people running away...

[Sleepy Ranger]

First of all I shall state that were-cats are meh... next I have decided that this vote to lynch is very democratic and we're a communist society... uh... yeah... uh... anyway I say that we lynch uh... what? Oh? Thank you... my aide has just informed me that Garin is obviously the protector and that Kitanna is definately up to something...

++Kitanna

[Nogrod]

I don't know about this one... At the TiGJ thread Valier was singing, that if we lack ideas, we should check the narration - and she told us beforehand to try to make some new things time to time...

So please read this note left by the Three, and check the initial letters:


We three are better than thee!
We want your town.
It shall be ours.
Get out, get out while you can!
Or we three shall kill thee one by one.
This is the Puuurrrfect village!
We shall have it even if you don't please!

Signed: The Three


So it makes: WW I GO T W S

Thinlomien / Teleparca?
Wilwarin?
Sleepy?

I just couldn't believe, it would be this simple, but I guess this is worth noticing. Not the least because of concerns about Lommy (by Morm) and some mine about Sleepy (underlining his random-voting early on - although this not the first time he does that).

[Roa_Aoife]

I don't trust Sleepy on principle, but that's another story. Morm, Glirdan, I'm still waitng on an explanation. "At each other's throats" is rather string language for what was clearly nonsense. Not that I trust Farael, but I think that particular case is full of holes.

And Nogrod, I think it's difficult to call my posts "attacking" considering your chosen style. I'm surprised you haven't started in on some poor victim yet. That's a new trend for you. :rolleyes:

[Sleepy Ranger]

I just couldn't believe, it would be this simple, but I guess this is worth noticing. Not the least because of concerns about Lommy (by Morm) and some mine about Sleepy (underlining his random-voting early on - although this not the first time he does that).

I vote random on Day 1 of any game I'm in. And I don't think Valier ever said she'd be revealing our foes, it could very well be one of the gifteds.

Lets try expanding the initials-

Wondering Whose Innocent? Garin Or Taker Wilwarin538

Or it could very well be-

Wondering Whose Innocent? Garin Or Thinlomien/elperaca Wilwarin538

That could very well be a way of pointing out that either Garin or the others are innocent. Now the reason I left out Signed: The Three is because its probably just the verse not the signature.

However, lets have a look at the signature anyway-
Singed: The Three
S T T
See Thinlomien Telperaca

Now then lets do as we're told-

Telperaca-Baker

A baker? Thats a good profession, nothing wrong with it but history has shown that bread and such can be used to pass on information. (ie; hidden inside)

So far Telperaca has only posted once; It seems to be a random vote, nothing suspicious. Voted Eonwe.

Post #41 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=456925&postcount=41)

Now lets have a look at Thinlomien

Thinlomien-Postwoman

A postwoman? Now thats a nod in the direction of messages alright. Lets examine her posts now.

Nothing suspicious about post #33 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=456886&postcount=33).

And then, she votes Nogrod in post #34 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=456890&postcount=34), stating that she will re-trace if needed.

Now I don't find anything suspicious about either of them but theres [mayhap] a link from the narrative and the messaging? Maybe they're the Taker-Protector?

Chew on it for a while.

[Sleepy Ranger]

I just noticed this,
Lets have a look at Roa_Aoife's location-
Location: Someday, I'll rule all of it.

And now compare that with the wolves'/cats' motives-

As they stood and looked down on the village that was to be theirs

Co-incidence? Think about it...

[Roa_Aoife]

As the jobs were chosen before the roles were handed out, I think that argument is full of holes. Overly analyzing Valier's posts could do little more than distract us.

When you were the mod, your hints were so cryptic that for the most part we ignored them. Only the really obvious clue about THEKa was of any use. We (the innocents) managed to win with out them. (Still enjoyable to read though. When is the short story coming out?)

EDIT: Cross posted. I've had that location since January.... If we're looking at that as evidence, you could go with Farael's avatar- it has ears and a tail.

[Sleepy Ranger]

As the jobs were chosen before the roles were handed out, I think that argument is full of holes. Overly analyzing Valier's posts could do little more than distract us.

When you were the mod, your hints were so cryptic that for the most part we ignored them. Only the really obvious clue about THEKa was of any use. We (the innocents) managed to win with out them. (Still enjoyable to read though. When is the short story coming out?)

EDIT: Cross posted. I've had that location since January.... If we're looking at that as evidence, you could go with Farael's avatar- it has ears and a tail.

And Valier could have very well handed out roles based on occupation. In the end your guess is as good as mine, theres no real arguement to this its more of a pick a side and stick with it matter. Over-analyzing anything could distract us, I doubt I plan to go through her current text again, as far as theorizing that goes, I'm done.

Valier isn't me... and the short story will be up along with my website, latest by mid-June. Yes, you've had it since before the game began and that matches what the wolves want, it could be a nod in the right direction and as for Farael, yes he does have an avvie with a tail and those ears but as far as I can tell the narrative has nothing pointing at that... If his avvie had a torn ear, then yes it would've been applicable.

[Nogrod]

Overly analyzing Valier's posts could do little more than distract us.


I kind of agree with this one. Sleepy's interpretations might have been a bit overread, but still I think those initials were no coincidence.

What do they mean, is another matter, and I'm not so sure it's wise to delve into them too much. (Maybe the famous "take of four", so the spread-vote scheme - where one is a wolf... or a cat? Or anything...)

But we might benefit from seeing, how people react to them. Sleepy's reaction kind of raises eyebrows: why be so fast to make fun of those hints that Valier had said we should look? could it be, that it was pointing on some right directions...? :D

And Nogrod, I think it's difficult to call my posts "attacking" considering
your chosen style. I'm surprised you haven't started in on some poor victim yet. That's a new trend for you.

Roa: I guess I have never "started on a poor victim". In our first game, as a seer, I knew you were the wolf. In the next one I defended myself against totally ungrounded votes by showing, that I can attack too, if that's what those voters wanted... :)

X-POSTED with Sleepy

[Sleepy Ranger]

Pardon this short post but Nogrod, what do you mean 'make fun of'? I was offering a serious suggestion not ridculing anything.

[Nogrod]

Pardon this short post but Nogrod, what do you mean 'make fun of'? I was offering a serious suggestion not ridculing anything.

Then we have read them differently... ;) I thought, you were trying to stretch them to the limit and make the whole stuff seem absurd.

[Sleepy Ranger]

Then we have read them differently... ;) I thought, you were trying to stretch them to the limit and make the whole stuff seem absurd.

Ah, just a simple mis-understanding I see. Perhaps now you'll go over them seriously and see if they could mean anything? I've always like recieving second opinions on things.

And Nogrod, I trust you. In my opinion, you're not a wolf/cat, I just hope that I'm not mis-placing my trust.

Current Vote Count

Eonwe (Farael, Formendacil, Telperaca) - 3
Farael (Alcarillo) - 1
Nogrod (Thinlomien) - 1
Kitanna (Sleepy Ranger) - 1

There seems to a be a bit of an Eonwe band-wagon here.
Note: Three votes may not be a lot but they do account for 50% of the current number of votes.

[Nogrod]

I think the following is more interesting still:

V1. Farael voting Eonwe:
What easier way for a werecat to hide than to cast a random vote? Eonwe already knows what that could lead to ---
Anyhow, I think that Eonwe is playing fool because he knows it'll keep him safe

V2. Alcarillo voting Farael:
Farael seems a bit eager to vote and spread suspicion. His vote for Eonwe looks like it's on shaky ground to me. My gut feeling is that I might vote for 'im. Plus I don't like the way he's askin' what's wrong with everybody.

V3. Form voting for himself and immediately Eonwe:
++ Formendacil.
Ermm... that's not such a wise tactic I guess.
-- Formendacil
++ Eonwe
Not for any particular reason... I just have found him totally perplexing in past games, and I'd just as soon be rid of perplexing things: perplexing and I don't get along well.

V4. Lommy voting Nogrod:
in case I won't be back. That's hunch-based, nothing else. I hope I can return and cast a more reasonable vote.

V5. Telperaca voting Eonwe:
You know he mentioned something about running away, and so far in the past, it's alway been the suspicious people running away...

V6. Sleepy voting Kitanna:
Todays going to be a busy day for me so I doubt I can post much. Expect a random vote later on. ---
Random Post :) my aide has just informed me that Garin is obviously the protector and that Kitanna is definately up to something...

Read it as you wish... :)

[Farael]

Anyone else finds a pattern between three voters very disturbing?

Eonwe, Thinlomiel and Sleepy Ranger have all said that they voted randomly. Furthermore, Sleepy has been talking a lot but being really useless :p

What's that cautionary remark that 50% of the voters have voted for Eonwe? its only THREE VOTERS in a village with fifteen (or more) people in it. The only chance the three current votes add up to a majority is if the remaining nine or ten people to vote decide to spread their votes over SIX other people.... how likely is that?

So I say, Eonwe, Thinlomiel and Sleepy are our werewolves.... let's get rid of Eonwe and Sleepy today (double-lynches are allowed, right?).

Oh, and for those of you who criticise me for drawing attention to my day 1 bantering.... *cough MORM cough* I just found it so ridiculously dumb that anyone could make anything out of my discussion with Diamond I just HAD TO.

[Thinlómien]

I disagree with Nogrod and Roa. I think the hints might come in handy, though we shouldn't let them to be the main point.

Nogrod, a few points about your thing. Why should WW mean wereCat? Cat begins with a c. And how do you interpret "I go"? I don't think your interpretation makes sense; there are too much flaws. And Sleepy's versions hardly make any more sense. I don't say I could make up anything better, though.

I can't say anything about today's posts really. Now, I'm probably going to skim through them more carefully so I can change my vote if necessary.

edit: xposted with Nogrod and Farael

[Thinlómien]

Eonwe, Thinlomiel and Sleepy Ranger have all said that they voted randomly. Furthermore, Sleepy has been talking a lot but being really useless :p So I say, Eonwe, Thinlomiel and Sleepy are our werewolves.... You're not serious, are you? You certainly make me confused.

What is so especially wolvish about random votes? Based on my knowledge both innocents and werepeople use them, especially on Day 1.

[Sleepy Ranger]

Anyone else finds a pattern between three voters very disturbing?

Eonwe, Thinlomiel and Sleepy Ranger have all said that they voted randomly. Furthermore, Sleepy has been talking a lot but being really useless :p

A lot of people vote randomly on Day 1, and I haven't intentionaly been making myself useless and if I come across as such well meh, then I guess I'll just shut up and watch rather than be an annoying participant.

What's that cautionary remark that 50% of the voters have voted for Eonwe? its only THREE VOTERS in a village with fifteen (or more) people in it. The only chance the three current votes add up to a majority is if the remaining nine or ten people to vote decide to spread their votes over SIX other people.... how likely is that?

I don't know if you're intentionally mis-reading what I said or what but I said its 50% of the current number of votes. ie; 50% of 6, I didn't make a big deal about it, I acknowledged that its not a lot taking the whole village into account but if you look at just the 6 votes then yes it is a lot.

So I say, Eonwe, Thinlomiel and Sleepy are our werewolves.... let's get rid of Eonwe and Sleepy today (double-lynches are allowed, right?).

No double-lynching isn't allowed and I find your eagerness to be somewhat disturbing, as if you're trying to find a way to minimize numbers quickly? Hiding something dear Farael?

Oh, and for those of you who criticise me for drawing attention to my day 1 bantering.... *cough MORM cough* I just found it so ridiculously dumb that anyone could make anything out of my discussion with Diamond I just HAD TO.

I may be wrong but this strikes me as a hypocrytical remark. You have a look at others based on 'banters' (that is at least what you called mine) and then you tell people off for watching you due to bantering? Farael you're beginning to seem rather jumpy/fishy to me...

[Thinlómien]

I don't know if you're intentionally mis-reading what I said or what but I said its 50% of the current number of votes. ie; 50% of 6, I didn't make a big deal about it, I acknowledged that its not a lot taking the whole village into account but if you look at just the 6 votes then yes it is a lot. And I got the impression he (Sleepy) was noting the current trend.

I'd like to suspect Telperaca for a very vague vote which is actually quite random (or so I believe), but as she's a newcomer I will be gentle to her, unless she shows real suspiciousness.

[Thinlómien]

And Farael my name is ThinlómieN.

[Sleepy Ranger]

And I got the impression he (Sleepy) was noting the current trend.

I was... :)
That post was in response to Farael saying I was making a big deal out of nothing, he pointed it out in figures and replied in the same. Sorry for the confusion dear Thinlo.

[Farael]

A lot of people vote randomly on Day 1, and I haven't intentionaly been making myself useless and if I come across as such well meh, then I guess I'll just shut up and watch rather than be an annoying participant.

Don't mind me.... I'm annoying like that. Please, do participate =)


I don't know if you're intentionally mis-reading what I said or what but I said its 50% of the current number of votes. ie; 50% of 6, I didn't make a big deal about it, I acknowledged that its not a lot taking the whole village into account but if you look at just the 6 votes then yes it is a lot.
My point is that it was a completely unneccesary remark... and I tend to suspect those who make completely unnecesary remarks, as they are a good way to look helpful but add nothing



No double-lynching isn't allowed and I find your eagerness to be somewhat disturbing, as if you're trying to find a way to minimize numbers quickly? Hiding something dear Farael?
Make of it what you'd like, Mr. Sleepy.... maybe I am trying to minimize numbers.... the number of werecats!!!!



I may be wrong but this strikes me as a hypocrytical remark. You have a look at others based on 'banters' (that is at least what you called mine) and then you tell people off for watching you due to bantering? Farael you're beginning to seem rather jumpy/fishy to me...
No, as far as I can recall, I've only accused people on random votes and unnecesary comments.... if I accused anyone on a banter, it was a banter of my own and I've only bantered with Diamond, Kath and Glirdan to some extent. Other than that, I've been making relatively serious posts.

Edit: Fixed quotes

[Farael]

And Farael my name is ThinlómieN.
I apologise!! I Don't know where I got that misguided L from.... by the way, cross posted with Loomy (can I call you that?)

[Thinlómien]

No double-lynching isn't allowed and I find your eagerness to be somewhat disturbing, as if you're trying to find a way to minimize numbers quickly? Hiding something dear Farael? Oh, Sleepy the last game I played in three different people who were later revealed innocents tried to explain me how double-lynchings benefit the innocents more than the wolves. And I managed to understand it the third time. So I don't consider Farael suspicious because of that, though on Day 1 when all is pretty random the double-lynch maybe isn't the sanest choice.

Loomy (can I call you that?) If you really wish (though it sounds like 'luumu' which is Finnish and means 'plum') and if you don't mind me calling you Faraeel (a nice typo I made in my latest post).

[Garin]

I am concerned by Alcarillo's vote followed by a preemptive apology. This is a common wolf ..er ...cat practice.

As for hints from the mod, I'm not really convinced, especially by the amount of interpretations they are inspiring.

Sleepy seems to be already speculating who the gifteds are, this make me uncomfortable.

Diamond said I was a possible cat. This I don't like because I know I am not .

[Thinlómien]

Diamond said I was a possible cat. This I don't like because I know I am not . I admire this line. Whether you're a cat or not, you haven't lied. Clever play, master Garin... :p

[Formendacil]

I'm back... a bit early too, for that matter.

And, you know, I'm still entranced with this whole retractable votes business. I love it, really!

(I also rather like my "not going to read any posts this game" idea, but I don't think it'll fly.)

-- Eonwe

And now...

Who to vote for???

This being a Day 1, and being rather drunk on sillyness, I think its time to start a vendetta.

Farael! You guilty traitor!!! You vile Lover!!! Seducing one of the Werewolves to the ruin of us all!!! I want you dead!

++ Farael.

P.S. I love this game.

[Thinlómien]

Formy, your style makes me uneasy. You're changing from a bandwagon that people started to be concerned about to a person who's earning a lot of suspicion right now. Wolfy, perhaps...

edit: Not wolfy of course - stupid me. Cat-like.

[Formendacil]

Formy, your style makes me uneasy. You're changing from a bandwagon that people started to be concerned about to a person who's earning a lot of suspicion right now. Wolfy, perhaps...

edit: Not wolfy of course - stupid me. Cat-like.

Aha!

An even more worthy target!!!

-- Farael

++ Thinlómien

You evil person! You RUINED me in the last game- you and your comrades of evil, going around ruining the hopes and dreams of Werewolves! I hate you, I hate you all!!!

And yes, I am a Werewolf- however did you guess? But a Werecat? Never... Just let one of those little pussies come hither, and I'll snap them in two.

(Three vote changes down, maximum of two to go...)

[Thinlómien]

...and now when I pointed your cattishness out, you're again changing your vote just for the sake of retractables. I see you enjoy the game. :rolleyes: Though, maybe a cat wouldn't be so bold or so stupid, but then again you might be counting on that we believe so.

--Nogrod

++Formendacil

[Garin]

Well I've consulted my mousers and they are of little help:

1) They want more tuna.
2) They want more catnip.
3) Even if they knew the identity of a 250 pound Werecat they would just hide under my bed while I was being massacred.

Eonwe, I still have my eye on you because announcing a totally random vote is a nice way to disregard killing an innocent on the next day.

[Farael]

I wouldn't do that if I were you Thinlomien..... Formen can be useful after day 1, let him have his fun foday, he'll mellow down tomorrow (Game time).

Anyway, I still stand by my vote.... Eonwe and after we lynch Eonwe the cat I shall go after Sleepy the cat.... Thinlo I might forgive you some day, but so far you are up after sleepy.

[Thinlómien]

Well I've consulted my mousers and they are of little help:
1) They want more tuna.
2) They want more catnip.
3) Even if they knew the identity of a 250 pound Werecat they would just hide under my bed while I was being massacred. Garin and many more people: try to be a bit more substantial. I hope that the one-post posters re-appear before sunset.

Anyway, I have to go and won't be returning toDay. Good night!

[Garin]

Thinlómien,
I was just trying to add a little color to the dialogue. My main point was to add Eonwe to my list of suspected:

Eonwe
Alcarillo
Sleepy Ranger
Mormegil (Why not?)

I'm going to go with ...

++Sleepy Ranger

Although, I hate to make him an enemy. I'll probably check back later and see if I need to break a tie or see if someone has been indicted.

When is the bloody deadline again?

[Nogrod]

Eonwe (Farael, Telperaca) - 2
Farael (Alcarillo) - 1
Kitanna (Sleepy Ranger) - 1
Thinlomien (Formendacil) - 1
Formendacil (Thinlomien) - 1
Sleepy (Garin) - 1

Even though I appreciate Sleepy saying he trusts me, I can't quite return that trust, at least yet.

I share the suspicion with Garin, that announcing the randomness of the vote very early and pointedly (he made it twice known), is a good tactics for a cat to clear the trail... This goes to Eonwe too... and maybe some others (so they can't all be cats)?

I'm also a bit concerned about Sleepy's speculations concerning the gifteds - even if they are just ment to be fun, they are not something a sensible villager would go for.

But there is a third one thing that concerns me also. Basically, in games I've been, most of the wolves have been caught by some "outside the particular game" knowledge. As long as gaming goes, that's quite depressive. If I remember it correctly (correct me Sleepy if I'm wrong), I have played in two games with Sleepy. In the first one he talked somewhat, but not of anything concerning the game as such (a little aggravation, perhaps) and was quite happy to be lynched. He was an ordo then. In the next he just popped in and voted - saying it to be random (like now), but as he hit the wolf with it, got killed by night. He was an ordo then too, and didn't feel very sad about getting killed. But now he seems defending himself much more. And even though he started the day with the usual Todays going to be a busy day for me so I doubt I can post much. Expect a random vote later on. But after that he has been pretty active... So having a role of a cat now, and all the suspense and the joy of gaming?

This is not an accusation, but a concern I would like Sleepy to answer, so as to be clear about this stuff...

X-POSTED with Garin; changed the vote-count...

[Sleepy Ranger]

Although, I hate to make him an enemy. I'll probably check back later and see if I need to break a tie or see if someone has been indicted.

When is the bloody deadline again?

I have nothing against you Garin, as far as I'm concerned you're not my enemy unless something develops against you. The way I see it unless it can be proved otherwise I have no reason to be anybodys foe. :)

As for the deadline, it is 2am my time I believe.

Even though I appreciate Sleepy saying he trusts me, I can't quite return that trust, at least yet.

Perfectly acceptable, in fact I think the way I've been throwing around my trus (>_>) would seem rather silly.

I'm also a bit concerned about Sleepy's speculations concerning the gifteds - even if they are just ment to be fun, they are not something a sensible villager would go for.

Rest assured I am rarely ever sensible.

If I remember it correctly (correct me Sleepy if I'm wrong), I have played in two games with Sleepy. In the first one he talked somewhat, but not of anything concerning the game as such (a little aggravation, perhaps) and was quite happy to be lynched.

Correct, I'm still not so sure why I joined that game (I was in the middle of exams) and had no time do anything at all and I was glad to get lynched because I knew I'd be nothing more than a liability.

In the next he just popped in and voted - saying it to be random (like now), but as he hit the wolf with it, got killed by night. He was an ordo then too, and didn't feel very sad about getting killed.

Not sad about getting killed? I was very disappointed about getting killed. I had my heart set on playing that game (and on the Day 1 alas I was too busy to do anything other than that single vote).

But Nogrod correct me if I'm wrong, weren't you part of WWJ and WWJ II? Have you forgotten how I played then? It was more or less the same as now. I did nothing in WWJ IV because I had no time do anything (exams you see) as for Mithalwen's I was plagued my time restraints on Day 1 and I never got to see a Day 2. Hopefully that clears up some doubts as to why I'm more active in this game.

And Nogrod from that post you seem to take my playing style as the not say much type and based on my recent games, yes thats what I have come across as but believe me it is in no way the way I'd play.

Whenever I play anything I enjoy being an active participant no matter what. And in the last two WWJs there were certain obstacles preventing me from doing so, I've probably already pointed this out but I was very disappointed at being killed off in the previous WWJ.

Hopefully that clears up any doubts about why I'm so loud-mouthed right now.

[Nogrod]

But Nogrod correct me if I'm wrong, weren't you part of WWJ and WWJ II? Have you forgotten how I played then? It was more or less the same as now.
-----
Hopefully that clears up any doubts about why I'm so loud-mouthed right now.

I guess I have to correct you. I joined the Downs on January this year, and have been only in three games - all in succesion. So not forgotten, but not knowledgeable... :)

But you seem to have quite reasonable explanations.

I just belong to those, who would like to vote with even a tiny backing reason to their votes (don't like random voting at all). If it goes right, you can be happy and proud, if it goes wrong, you carry the guilt.

But more importantly. I still think that random-voting suits wolves (or cats). If everyone would have to really give reasons for their votes, it would be harder for the wolves (cats), because they will have to lie at some situations and therefore be so much more careful with their tongues... And that's the way you can hope to get them. Although I do see, that piling reasoned votes on day one is quite a task.

[Sleepy Ranger]

I guess I have to correct you. I joined the Downs on January this year, and have been only in three games - all in succesion. So not forgotten, but not knowledgeable...

My bad, though I was certain you were in WWJ and WWJ II with me. I probably have you confused with someone else, sorry.

But more importantly. I still think that random-voting suits wolves (or cats). If everyone would have to really give reasons for their votes, it would be harder for the wolves (cats), because they will have to lie at some situations and therefore be so much more careful with their tongues... And that's the way you can hope to get them. Although I do see, that piling reasoned votes on day one is quite a task.

Yes I agree with you that random voting suits the wolves however it is hard to get any good evidence on Day 1 and the norm (as I see it) is for a band-wagon on the first day and yes, its good when you get the wolves stuck in a corner and force lies out of them, that would lead to those oh so sweet contradictions which will eventually get them all lynched! ^_^

But anyway I didn't plan on sticking with my vote for Kitanna and shall change now-

--Kitanna
++Farael

My reasons for being suspicious of Farael have already been listed, out of all the people he seems to be the flippiest of them all.

[Farael]

Ha!! You shall pay for that vote, Mr. Sleepy..... and you'll pay dearly when your furred skin is put on display down at the town hall.

I love you all, this village is so talkative!! but I have to go now and I shan't be back before the dead-line (get it? dead-line.... where we draw a line to decide who dies.... anyone? come on, it's not that bad)

I shall change my vote... not because I don't suspect Eonwe anymore, as a matter of fact I'd vouch for a double-lynch if it were possible.... but because Sleepy is clearly as jumpy as I am....

--Eonwe

++Sleepy Ranger

[Nogrod]

Eonwe (Telperaca) - 1
Farael (Alcarillo, Sleepy) - 2
Thinlomien (Formendacil) - 1
Formendacil (Thinlomien) - 1
Sleepy (Garin, Farael) - 2

I thought we could do with an update on this.

[Diamond18]

Form, please don't start that. Self-votersor wannabe-self-voters never achieve anything but causing confusion.

Actually, I would beg to differ slightly on that point. I voted for myself last game and it was the only thing that managed to save my ordo-life and kill the last remaining wolf in the game. Granted, that was late in the game and I had to retract my self-vote to catch the wolf, but you see what I mean. There's always exceptions to the rule. :smokin:

Okay. I had a ton to catch up on, so this isn't going to be very in depth (information overloads tend to leave me confused) but I have some observations:


Valier has left us hints in the narration, apparently. I'm not sure I like this. It's confusing.
Eonwe and Farael seem to be in the Day 1 running for "most suspicious" and Sleepy is coming up third.
It seems just about everyone besides Garin and perhaps Roa have thrown characterization to the wind. My own feeble attempt to maintain any sort of character will be to put a beer mug at the head of all my posts. Weeeeeee.
I have a few hours to spare before I must vote, seeing as I will be around till close to the deadline. This won't happen every day, but aren't we lucky toDay.


Other things I've noted is that for some reason which strikes me as odd:

Alcarillo voted for Farael, and in the very next post, Farael laid out a defense for Alca. No one was questiong Alca's vote or casting suspicion on him, so what's with the detailed defense? Why is it so important to speak up for the person who just voted for you, before anyone even has the chance to give an opinion on that vote? Curious.

Diamond said I was a possible cat. This I don't like because I know I am not .

Ha ha! I like this. It's cute. But anyway, Garin, I think my post was obviously a tongue-in-cheek attempt at addressing the "let's vote randomly" idea. Note I also suggested I'd vote for Nogrod because he's the 7th person on the list and I'd like to eat chocolate 7 days a week.

This isn't to say I don't have my eye on both of you in a serious way, of course.

Right now that's all I have to comment on. Maybe once I've read through the posts again I'll have something more interesting to add. In the meantime, seeing as I'm not obligated to vote yet, I won't.

[Roa_Aoife]

Allright, this is it for me. I can't stay awake any longer, so I'll have to vote now.

These in nno particular order, are the people I'm suspicious of:

Sleepy- mostly just because I know how dangerous he can be. He may be serious in his suggestions, or he may be trying to fool us. I also don't like his "trust" of Nogrod. On day 1, it's better to suspect everyone, especially those that are least suspicious. (There's always that one wolf/cat that avoids being looked at till the end.)

Morm- He made a big deal out of Farael's supposed tiff with Diamond, which as far as I can tell doesn't exist. Then he didn't explain when I asked him to. I did ask him twice, and he posted after one of those requests, so it was there for him to see. He also accused Farael of spreading suspicion, when he has done the same himself. (Not I'm not, it's the hypocracy I find incriminating, not the behavior. As I said, we should look at everyone.)

Farael- He points us in all sorts of directions, first going one way then another. Retractable votes or not, early voting is always suspicious. Especially since the vote was following the trend of suspicion, especially by morm at the time.

So, my vote is...

++Mormegil

Good day everyone.

EDIT: Cross posted with last two posts.

[Farael]

It seems just about everyone besides Garin and perhaps Roa have thrown characterization to the wind. My own feeble attempt to maintain any sort of character will be to put a beer mug at the head of all my posts. Weeeeeee.
Ah, it's completely besides the point, but Miss Took I must say you mistook me.... come on, as in mistake? I am acting in character while doing my usual Day 1 research.... luckily for me, my game-style and my character both include the word "fool".... but this fool shan't be fooled so easily, eh Sleepy?

[Diamond18]

Ah, it's completely besides the point, but Miss Took I must say you mistook me.... come on, as in mistake? I am acting in character while doing my usual Day 1 research.... luckily for me, my game-style and my character both include the word "fool".... but this fool shan't be fooled so easily, eh Sleepy?

Very interesting. Well, then I am curious to know what your thoughts are on the Alca matter? It was a curiousity I noted in that post. It just seems that, in a game where suspecting everyone is key, you were quick to stand up for someone. What was your motivation for that?

[Sleepy Ranger]

Ah, it's completely besides the point, but Miss Took I must say you mistook me.... come on, as in mistake? I am acting in character while doing my usual Day 1 research.... luckily for me, my game-style and my character both include the word "fool".... but this fool shan't be fooled so easily, eh Sleepy?

Would you kindly re-list your reasons for suspecting me? Because after reading through you seem to have no strong points against me...

[mormegil]

Well I for one will not be using Valier's post as a way of gleaning information. I don't like the idea and will not be swayed at all.

However I hold that Thinlomien has been behaving in a manner that I would consider a werecreature to do on the first day. Sleepy is jumping out at me too because of his flip-flopping and constant defense. There's a lot of idle chatter going on and little being said. Let me reread a couple of things and see with whom I've cross posted and I will return.

[mormegil]

Morm- He made a big deal out of Farael's supposed tiff with Diamond, which as far as I can tell doesn't exist. Then he didn't explain when I asked him to. I did ask him twice, and he posted after one of those requests, so it was there for him to see. He also accused Farael of spreading suspicion, when he has done the same himself. (Not I'm not, it's the hypocracy I find incriminating, not the behavior. As I said, we should look at everyone.)

That's a rather petty arguement. It was the opening sequence of events and Farael and Diamond went back and forth a bit. I mentioned it and really didn't make much of it other than that. It seems to me that you've made a bigger deal of it than anybody. I didn't respond to your query because I found it so absurd that I didn't feel the need. While it seems I'm responding to your query now I am still not, what I am doing is finding actual behavior that is supicious and commenting on it. I can't decide if this makes you seem like a hapless innocent or a blood thirsty kitten.

So please explain why your are over-reacting thusly?

[Sleepy Ranger]

I'm out for the day, I shall see you all on Day 2!

[Nogrod]

"One-posters" I can't see as very suspicious, yet. Hope to see them back all - even I myself might not be able to see it (the deadline is 2AM here).

Kath #4 The first post, telling to be coming back later.

Kitanna #40 Kind of annoyed about the retractables, promises to come back with more substance.

Wilwarin #36 Hopes us to be logical, that we don't lose a gifted, promising to be back.

Don't know, there is also sense in these.

Glirdan #6 Beginning "how-do-you-do". #23 Disliking Eonwe's tactics, Farael vs. Diamond case reminder. Promising to be back.

Alcarillo #26 Disliking people who think or try to come up with something, believes in gut voting on day 1, suspects Farael as being too eager. # 29 Vote for Farael.

The more suspicious one.

Telperaca "41 Popping in just for a vote, with nonsensical reasons - making it clear, it was not a substantial vote.

[Nogrod]

Even though I'm fully aware, that this kind of list is quite unsubstantial on day 1, I just thought, that I would have to make it - if not for other reasons, then to myself. I'll have to vote in some near future (it's 11PM now here), and need to clear my thoughts - and would like to hear you others commenting on this list too.

Lightly trusting:
Mormegil & Garin & Diamond seem to speak with reason. Trusting them enough for a first day (a good wolf would of course make just that impression).

Don't know:
Roa was somewhat heavy-handed against Farael in the beginning (24, 27, 28), insistence on Morm a bit odd. Most of the time reasonable, as always.

Eonwe I can't trust or heavily mistrust. I don't like his tactics, and think it plays to the hands of the wolves more than to the villagers.

Formendacil plays weird game anyhow. Just loving the retractables so much or then hiding behind a fool's mask?

Thinlomien is hard to figure. Some substance, too fast voting... two times.

Somewhat suspicious:
Farael is banging on everything, and there are some reasons for concern there also: whitewashing Alcarillo, targeting everything at sight, the duell with Sleepy...

Sleepy even with his quite reasonable defences - or just because of them. This active defence in very grave disagreement with his early posts saying he will just be sending a random vote (confident in slipping under the radar?).

Telperaca from my earlier list. Newbie, maybe, but really suspicious actions: just a vote, no talk, no anything else...

[Formendacil]

Sorry, Thinlómien, m'dear, but I don't care at all for Day 1s- at least, not as far as rational thinking goes. It's all very well to air out thoughts and lay out plans, and otherwise try to be helpless, but without so much as a Night Kill or a Day's Lynch to provide some evidence for speculation, there is no point to being serious. It'd take a stupid wolf- or cat- to really and truly slip up here.

Therefore, I fully intend to enjoy this Day 1 to its fullest, and to remain as ridiculous as possible. I utterly refuse to join with anything useful until I've had a good night's sleep.

-- Thinlómien

Because I've just realised that Glirdy's in the village. How delightful! I don't know why he's even playing- playing Werewolf that is, since he seems very fond indeed of his music playing. He should probably just go and lynch himself now, and save himself the trouble of protesting his innocence later...

++ Glirdan

P.S. Where is the foaming at the mouth Werewolf smiley? I rather feel the need of it right now...

[Diamond18]

P.S. Where is the foaming at the mouth Werewolf smiley? I rather feel the need of it right now...


Are you sure this isn't what you're hankerin' after?

http://bestsmileys.com/animals/1.gif

[Garin]

Diamond,
That is absolutely terrifying. I think we know who we are fighting against now. Hopefully that is not a self-portrait.

[mormegil]

++Thinlomien

Going with the little reasons I had and my gut on this one.

[Nogrod]

The bed awaits.

++ Sleepy

Must go with the thing I can back up with something.

Sleepy (Garin, Farael, Nogrod) - 3
Farael (Alcarillo, Sleepy) - 2
Eonwe (Telperaca) - 1
Glirdan (Formendacil) - 1
Formendacil (Thinlomien) - 1
Mormegil (Roa) -1
Thinlomien (Mormegil) - 1

[Diamond18]

I'll be back in another hour or so to cast my vote (deadline is in 2 hours) but for now I'm off.

Edit: Actually, I changed my mind, since we can retract I'm going to put down an initial vote now and come back in an hour to see if it merits changing.

+ + Farael

Mostly just because of the whole "defending Alca" thing. I don't know why he didn't respond when I asked him about it. It doesn't sit well with me. And as there is little to go on toDay, as I can see, I'll go with what's giving me the most niggling doubt.

[Kitanna]

So some (or most) of what I'm going to say has probably already been said, but I'm going through post by post and commenting on what I see fit.

1) Within the first ten posts Farael and Diamond had already started a war of words. For the most part playful in character comments (or so it seems) but it is possible the two are trying to make everyone think their enemies when they are really furry allies. Not much in the way of a theory, not for today in any case, but something to push to the back of your mind for a later day.
2) Eonwe goes into a normal day one post, "it's useless, it sucks, we all know it, my vote is random," etc. Morm comments on it. Eonwe elaborates/defends her standard first day post. Not a lot to go off of there.
3) Eonwe had commented on voting for player 7, which means Garin. Diamond comes back and says that's an interesting plan for the day and may do it herself. But in the same post she says she might vote Farael because he "cast a spurious light over my noble profession." Goes back to their first few posts. Says:
Actually I do think Eonwe has a point... but somehow it seems kind of nasty to vote someone off randomly thus ending the game prematurely for them, for no discernable reason besides the belief that there can be no reasonable votes toDay. It'll be hard to come up with something, yeah, but we at least ought to try....
Yet her reasons for wanting to vote for Farael seem no less random than her reasons for wanting to vote for Garin. Her reasons for Farael are because he made a remark about barmaid, so that is somewhat of a reason, but seems pretty random to me.
4) Roa comes on and believes Morm and Eonwe make very good points about what we can do today. Speaks against random voting unless all other options have failed. I’ll be interested to see where Roa’s vote goes today.
5) Farael casts a vote for Eonwe. He feels Eonwe is being suspicious on purpose to avoid suspicion (yes?). Because what intelligent player would speak as Eonwe did? Er, something like that, I won’t lie, has me a bit confused. Roa debunks Farael’s vote and says random voting is quite the common thing today. Farael comes back and mentions if he changes his mind we always have retractable votes. Alcarillo also comments on Farael’s “hasty” vote. Alcarillo feels he may vote for Farael. A few posts later, comes back and does just that.
6) At the end of the vote, Alcarillo apologizes to Farael if he is wrong and Farael calls him on it. It’s always suspicious to see someone apologize for a vote and somewhat annoying at times. But I wouldn’t jump on someone just yet for it. If the person they vote for is killed and turns out to be innocent, it bears looking into, but right now I won’t look too deep into Alcarillo’s apology.
7) Formendacil, ok, his first vote for himself, then immediately retracted and cast for Eonwe for no “particular reason”. He retracts his votes later, but I’ll talk about that when I get to it. Much to say on this fellow…
8) Lommy votes on a hunch about Nogrod. Can’t say much for either of them, both have been relatively quiet up to this point.
9) Morm comes back and questions Farael. Says
You keep asking why isn't anybody looking at me? It's almost as if you are seeking to be suspicious...but why?... In my experience, the guilty party rarely expose themselves on day 1 and those that jump out to you as guilty rarely are and those you think innocent might be guilty.
10) Telperaca votes for Eonwe on an in-character comment made by Eonwe near the start of day.
11) Sleepy votes for me out of randomness and says Garin is our protector.
12) Nogrod brings up Valier’s post in the planning thread and tries to figure out the meaning. I’m sure this will come back to get me later, but I’m not so sure looking into that is the best strategy. I mean if you get the hints wrong you can do way more harm than good. It could be misleading and I’d rather see us try solving this with our brains than with some unsure clues.
13) Sleepy now starts in on Valier’s post. Not much in the way of help. Roa and Sleepy go back and forth on occupations. Sleepy suspects roles and occupations to be linked and that Valier picked the roles based on occupation. Roa disagrees and I agree with Roa. If an occupation and a role go together I’d say it’s a coincidence.
14) There’s a lot of back and forth stuff in the next few posts. I’m going pretty slowly through this as it is so I can’t really comment, but the posts 49-65 are worth looking into, at least on how everyone was reacting to everyone else. Sleepy and Farael are the most interesting in that set.
15) Formendacil retracts yet another vote. This time he votes for Farael. Methinks Formendacil is not all that serious with his voting, which is why I hate retractable votes, but no reason to get into that. Lommy makes a good point about Formendacil going to whoever seems more likely to get a bandwagon, doesn’t make him look good. Formendacil then changes his vote to Lommy. With such behavior it makes me want to vote for him just to rid us of his flaky votes. Lommy changes her vote to Formendacil. Farael defends Formendacil saying he’ll be helpful tomorrow, but we can’t be totally sure. Formendacil may still be the same tomorrow and the next and so on. He’s a tricky one.
16) Garin votes for Sleepy. Doesn’t give much of a reason, but also outlines other suspects.
17) This is the post that gets me. Sleepy retracts his vote for me and says he “didn’t plan on sticking to my vote”, then why do that? I say if you don’t plan on keeping a vote for someone and you do it just to be random, and then don’t vote for them. You cause clutter, confusion, and waste time.
18) Farael changes his vote to Sleepy. Says Sleepy is as jumpy as himself. I’d say Sleepy is the jumpier one, but I wouldn’t go after someone because they’re jumping. I’m sure most of us are, we just haven’t shown it.
19) Roa votes for Morm.

Ok I need to stop and it’s annoying because I’m almost done reading the posts, but I really need to get to concert band. I also need to vote.

Formendacil and Sleepy have annoyed me a lot in this day, but on my principles I cannot vote for someone out of annoyance.
I don’t have real high suspicions of anyone. I have slight suspicions of Sleepy, Farael, and Diamond, but I’m not sure about voting for them.

I’m going to have to go for a random/gut vote here and I really hate to do that, but I don’t want to not vote. So here goes

++Sleepy

Sleepy’s behavior has me on edge. His defenses of himself seem reasonable, but I can’t shake the feeling he’s trying to lull us into trusting him and then he’ll kick us while we’ve got our guard down.

Edit: cross-posted with Diamond and Nogrod

[Eonwe]

Ha! Ha! I say to you, Mr. Fareal. So much for your tactics, so much for mine. You prove my point very nicely. If you aren't sure, by any even slightly reasonable shadow of a doubt, you are just as random as voting for the seventh person. The fact that you have switched up your vote a few times means you also have a habit of random voting. Ha!

Now then, I will try once more to explain myself quite clearly: If you have a suspicions, you vote for it. If I have a suspicion, I vote for it. If I don't have a suspicion, I vote random. If you don't have a suspicion, I don't know what you do. The only difference is in what we see as suspicious, and I for one like to wait and see what certain things build up to. As of now (without haveing read most of the posts), I am devoid of suspicion.

Oh, and retractable voting is going to get really confusing. I take it I was on the brink of anialation last night.... :eek:

[Garin]

For the record,
Form's rapid-fire "random" voting is worrisome. A feline can throw in a couple votes against fellow werecats and then go after an innocent in the end. If one of his friends are found by the village .. he can bring up his previous votes as a show of innocence.

I am not sure about Sleepy and if if I will stick to my vote. We shall see...

Edit: Spelling

[Nogrod]

Probably my last contribution to update us today... (had to see the last posts, as they started to appear just aftyer I had thought I'd finished...)

Sleepy (Garin, Farael, Nogrod, Kitanna) - 4
Farael (Alcarillo, Sleepy, Diamond) - 3
Eonwe (Telperaca) - 1
Glirdan (Formendacil) - 1
Formendacil (Thinlomien) - 1
Mormegil (Roa) -1
Thinlomien (Mormegil) - 1

= Garin
I am not sure about Sleepy and if if I will stick to my vote.


You think someone is? :(

[Eonwe]

A) Fareal, I haven't even voted yet.

B) Kitanna, I'm a guy. :) :p

C) Lommy, you should lighten up. Substantial? Who has substance on Day 1? If you have something substantial, please do share, but I think it is obvious when people are joking. (Except in the case of Sleepy, appearently.)

D) Sleepy, I declare your hinting analysis to be rubbish.

E) I can't find anyone suspicious enough to vote for, so I will stick with my original vote, who I'm told is Garin.

++Garin

[Kath]

Sorry I'm back so late. Had a busier day than I thought! All that drinking you know, takes it out of you! ;)

I've read through and those that really stood out for me were:
morm - pointing out the infighting between Farael and Diamond, I don't think there's anything in that but a bit of banter between two active people. Weren't that many around so it was something to do. Since Farael mentioned me in the same vein it seems unlikely that either had anything susbstantial behind it.

Garin - mentions having 2 cats. Ok I know this could be role playing and jest, but it could also be abrazen wolf sticking his neck out in the open and hoping the boldness of the move will keep him safe.

Farael - he kept asking people to go back and look at his posts and pick up on the people he mentioned, specifically Kath and Glirdan I believe. Also wants to double lynch Eonwe and Sleepy. Double lynches are dangerous anyway, and to suggest one on the first Day is a little over-eager I feel. Also very flip-floppy, switching from one suspicion to another very quickly.

Telp - some very odd and vague reasoning behind a vote for Eonwe. Because he said he'd run away? Could be completely random, could be an unsure wolf.

I'm also suspicious of Sleepy, but I have no reasoning behind that. He just makes me feel very uncomfortable. I would rather vote for someone I had real and even vaguely supported suspicions of, but at the moment my vote is likely to go to and stay with:

++SLEEPY

[Eonwe]

F) Yes, Kath. Telperaca's vote stood out to me too, and not just because it was for me. If you're gonna be random, be random. If not, then mild suspicion may be inccured.

[Garin]

I regret the remark about not being sure about my Sleepy vote. It is a very feline play.

Of course, I am not sure about anyone right now. I have suspicions.

[Glirdan]

OOC - Just got back from school so don't expect much from me for the rest of the Day.

Wow!! Form is going on a random streak toDay!! Is it just me or is he really off his rockers this game??

And by the way, why hasn't anyone picked up on the comments I made about Kath????? I think my comments towards Diamond (however playful they were) pale in comparison with the others.(Farael)

Because, as Roa stated earlier toDay, it distracts us from what we are trying to do here. It really makes it seem as if you want to draw attention to that and away from finding the Cats. I'm highly suspicious of you now.

However, I am wondering myself what the deal is with looking at you and Diamond for "rivalry." It looks like standard Day 1 banter. What's the big deal with that? Mormegil, Glirdan, explain please.(Roa)

It is true that it can be looked at as normal Day 1 behaviour. But maybe that's what they want us to think. Maybe the two are actually really in cahoots and are pulling the old Wolf vs. Wolf strategy that was used in previous villages. That's what makes me most nervous about them and makes Farael even more suspicious.

By the way, how come no-one has made anything about my exchange with Glirdan?(Farael)

What exchange would you be talking about? I see no where in any of your previous posts where you're directing anything to me personally. It also seems to me that you've been trying to draw attention on to yourself. Why may I ask??

Nogrod - your post #43 brings up rather intriguing ideas. It could mean one of two things but I'm sure I don't need to spell it out for you as I would not want to draw attention to it.

Sleepy - your posts #45 and 46 also bring up some more thoughts which brings me back to what I said above. Mind you there are many flaws in those theories so I will not be going off of that.

My main suspcions are for Farael and Form.

Farael, well, I've given reasoning earlier on. Form, well...he's just acting....odd....

I'll be back shortly with my vote.

[wilwarin538]

OK, I'm here. I have a few comments to make about some people.

Garin: I personnaly have a weird feeling about him, mainly because of this line he wrote in post 64:

Diamond said I was a possible cat. This I don't like because I know I am not .

The fact that he's suspicious of someone cause there suspicious of him is kinda odd.

Fareal: His little joke he makes me uneasy:

I love you all, this village is so talkative!! but I have to go now and I shan't be back before the dead-line (get it? dead-line.... where we draw a line to decide who dies.... anyone? come on, it's not that bad)

Yeah, joking about death is something I'm sure a were-cat would do. Death isn't something a normal person would joke about.

I didn't really get to read through everything. These two things just striked me as odd. I know those arn't very good reasons but I wanted to have something to post, so I thought I'd mention those two things.

So don't know about everyone else. Seems like Sleepy must have done something to gain all those votes, I must have missed it through my skimming. But I still might vote for him.

I'll wait a bit longer before voting.

crossposted with Glirdy, He just mentions noticing something in two players' posts then doesn't go into it. Almost a pointless post. Yeah, just thought I'd comment on the oddness of that.

[wilwarin538]

How much time have we got?

[Valier]

*You have exactly five minutes left to vote.*

[wilwarin538]

Ok, I've read through all of Sleepy's posts, and I think I understand why he has suspicion.

He seemed serious enough at first. Then he got into trusting random people for no reason, and getting on peoples good side. Then he got a little silly a few times, a little defensive. Kinda all over the place. Not really a lot to go on but it seems to be the person I can find the most reasons for suspecting.

I know that being one of (or the) last person to vote for him will get me in trouble tomorrow. If he's guilty you'll say I was tryiing to save my own hide, if he's innocent you'll say I was trying to save Fareal.

But anyway.

Without further delay:

++Sleepy Ranger

I'm sorry for sealing your fate if you are innocent.

[Valier]

The sun began to go down on the first day of the attacks. The villagers seemed to be confused and their votes spread out.

"I say we kill the Mayor of this village, He has been acting strangely!" Shouted Garin.

"I say we kill Me!...No wait Eonwe...No Farael....No Thinlomien...hhhmmmm Hey I say we kill Glirdan! I never noticed him before. Argued Formendabras.

"This is all nonsense!" Stated Mormegil. " I say we kill Thinlomien, I think there's something fishy about her."

The arguing and speculations finally came to an end.
The villagers choose their noble Mayor to be the object of their violence.

"I say we throw him in the river! I hear they hate water!" Said Nogrod.
"But remember we Hobbits hate water just as much!" Shouted Telperaca.

And so the villagers bound Sleepy Ranger's hands behind his back and led him to the rivers edge.

"Any last words? Asked Kitanna.

" I swear it's not me! I just don't want to be thrown in the river! I can not swim, I tell you! I say Farael is the one you are after, not me!" Sleepy let out as he hopped on one foot.

"So long fair mayor, may you be a Werecat!" said Wilwarin538.

And with that they threw him into the deeps of the river.At first he sunk to the bottom, then came bobbing to the surface sputtering and growling? His skin began to change and he began to grow in size."How dare you all! said the giant, drenched feline with the torn ear. "We will have your town...even if you kill me!" With those last words, the once fair seeming mayor screamed his rage as he gulped down mouthfulls of water, until his lungs were full and he screamed no more.

Dead villagers:

Dead villagers:
Valier: Tomato grower- Died from a thousand cuts. Moderator
Naria- Pediotrist-Was danced upon until she died.Co-Moderater
Sleepy Ranger-Mayor-Drowned by village on Day 1 Werecat

Live villagers:
Telperaca-Baker
Kitanna-Grumpy old woman
Diamond18-Barmaid
Roa-Aoife-Folklorist
Wilwarin538-Berry picker
Nogrod-Ale brewer
Garin-Weathered former mercenary
Kath-Ale drinker
Alcarillo-Fisherman
Eonwe-Wayfaring stranger
Farael-Foolofatook
Formendabras Took- Ne'er-do-well
Glirdan-Barman at the local Inn
Mormegil-Shirriff
Thinlomien-Postwoman

Remaining Werecats I need your nightly pick, as well as the Seeker and Protector I need your picks as well.

[Valier]

The dawn of the Second day draws upon the village.The occupants wake from their beds and hurry to the town center to meet and discuss what to do.But when they arrive they see someone sprawled on the ground, in an unnatural position.There lay Nogrod the Ale maker.A look of horror was upon his face, but something was missing...His tongue had been torn from his mouth and was nowhere to be found. A note was laided on his chest reading...

You will all pay for what you have done!
We Two are still better than thee!
What have you to say now?
Nothing! Because us Cats got your tongue!
Get out! Get out!
We will have this Puuurrrfect village!
It shall be our own!

Signed: The Two


Dead Villagers:
Valier: Tomato grower- Died from a thousand cuts.( Moderator)
Naria- Pediotrist-Was danced upon until she died.(Co-Moderater)
Sleepy Ranger-Mayor-Drowned by village on Day 1 (Werecat)
Nogrod-Ale maker-Werecats got his tongue Night 1 (Ordinary villager)

Live villagers:
Telperaca-Baker
Kitanna-Grumpy old woman
Diamond18-Barmaid
Roa-Aoife-Folklorist
Wilwarin538-Berry picker
Garin-Weathered former mercenary
Kath-Ale drinker
Alcarillo-Fisherman
Eonwe-Wayfaring stranger
Farael-Foolofatook
Formendabras Took- Ne'er-do-well
Glirdan-Barman at the local Inn
Mormegil-Shirriff
Thinlomien-Postwoman

Werecats stop pming. Taker and Protector you may start pming.
PLEASE BE AWARE THAT I AM CHANGING THE FIFTH NIGHT DREAMER TO THE THIRD NIGHT. I WILL PM THE DREAMER DURING THE THIRD DAY TO LET THEM KNOW THEY WILL BE GRANTED A DREAM THAT NIGHT.

[Glirdan]

Wow!! This is a shock. But I may have an idea as to why he was attacked. But before I get to that, let me apologise for not being able to vote. I got all tied up at the Inn (check the notice board for more info) and couldn't get back on time to vote.

Now, on to more pressing matters.

As I said, I think I may have discovered the reasoning behind the attack on Nogrod.

His post #43

I don't know about this one... At the TiGJ thread Valier was singing, that if we lack ideas, we should check the narration - and she told us beforehand to try to make some new things time to time...

So please read this note left by the Three, and check the initial letters:

We three are better than thee!
We want your town.
It shall be ours.
Get out, get out while you can!
Or we three shall kill thee one by one.
This is the Puuurrrfect village!
We shall have it even if you don't please!

Signed: The Three


So it makes: WW I GO T W S

Thinlomien / Teleparca?
Wilwarin?
Sleepy?

I just couldn't believe, it would be this simple, but I guess this is worth noticing. Not the least because of concerns about Lommy (by Morm) and some mine about Sleepy (underlining his random-voting early on - although this not the first time he does that).

If you note, Sleepy posted right after responding to this. He was later proven a Wolf. What does that tell us? The note had all three of the Wolves initials in there? Or was there just one? Or was it complete luck that we got Sleepy as Wolf? I definetly suggest looking into the other three mention above (Wilwa, Lommy and Tele)

I'm now going to go back and take a look at the death post as well as look over all of Nogrod's, Sleepy's and the other three mentioned above posts.

[Valier]

Also I will make it clear here. I was bluffing about the hints! I just wanted to make the first day more interesting, so don't take anything I write as a blatant hint.:D So sorry! I have assigned myself to Mordor for that!:(

[Garin]

It wasn't a mere coincidence that Sleepy Ranger turned out to be werecat. I was generally suspicious of him because of his behavior. Of course, I was't 100% certain and didn't want to initiate a bandwagon for an innocent but stuck to my vote. I'm rather proud but surprised he didn't put up more of a fight. Time-zones, I guess.

I'm pretty sure Sleepy was already doomed when Wilwarin made a last minute vote for him, I'll need to double-check. This could be a feline manuever.

We might want to try out poor Nogrod's list today and see what happens. Of course, the day is young and we'll see what happens.


X-Posted with Modlier and Glirdan

[Glirdan]

Nogrod

Post #31 - A checking in post and just noting everything that was going on.

Post #37 - Does a "synopsis" that is "not an accurate order of things happening, but more like trying to bind things together". Does a quick vote count. Notes that Farael and Eonwe seem to be the most controversial villagers and doesn't see either as overly suspicious. Is worried about us lynching the outspoken villagers.

Post #38 - Double post. Gives opinion that Farael and Enowe are innocent and suggests we widen the scope of voting.

Post #43 - I've already given more information on this exact post above.

Post #49 - Quotes Roa and agrees with her(him?). Finds Sleepy's interpretations over read. Responds to Roa once again.

Post #51 - Quotes and responds to Sleepy.

Post #53 - Quotes voting posts of Farael, Alcarillo, Form, Lommy, Teleperca and Sleepy.

Post #74 - Updates voting list. Appreciates the trust Sleepy has of him yet doesn't return it. Concerned about Sleepy's speculations of Gifteds. Notes Sleepy's differrent posting pattern.

Post #76 - Finds Sleepy's explanations reasonable. Doesn't like random voting and gives reasons why it would suit the Wolves.

Post # 79 - Updates votes.

Post #88 - Says he can't see the "one-posters" as suspicious yet and gives who they are (Kath, Kitanna, Wilwa, Alca, Teleperca and myelf).

Post #89 - Double post. Gives his suspicion list.

Post #94 - Votes Sleepy and give updated voting list.

My thoughts - Just Valier's post about not to take what she said on the notice board (the original thread) seriously. But I'm not sure if we should do that. Look what happened yesterDay? Nogrod got it right about Sleepy. What if he was right abou Wilwa and Lommy/Teleperca? It is possible that it was complete luck, but I think we need to test that to make sure. I know I said I'd do an analysis of other things and I will when I return.

[mormegil]

Ok, I've read through all of Sleepy's posts, and I think I understand why he has suspicion.

He seemed serious enough at first. Then he got into trusting random people for no reason, and getting on peoples good side. Then he got a little silly a few times, a little defensive. Kinda all over the place. Not really a lot to go on but it seems to be the person I can find the most reasons for suspecting.

I know that being one of (or the) last person to vote for him will get me in trouble tomorrow. If he's guilty you'll say I was tryiing to save my own hide, if he's innocent you'll say I was trying to save Fareal.



I'm sorry for sealing your fate if you are innocent.

See Wilwarin you did not seal his fate and you weren't saving Farael. I found the wording really odd and it seems kittyish :rolleyes: I think you came back and saw your comrade was dead and that you could do nothing to save him and voted him to show how innocent you are. Strategies like this don't escape me and I will stop them. I could be off here but the way in which you worder the bolded statement seems odd and that you are trying to hedge yourself against any suspicion.

[mormegil]

I will say it again...I don't think we should use any hint real or perceived as any evidence! It goes against the game and should not be included or used to sway opinion.

[Garin]

Mormegil: Strategies like this don't escape me and I will stop them. I could be off here but the way in which you worder the bolded statement seems odd and that you are trying to hedge yourself against any suspicion.

Agreed that Wilwarin's language seemed rather contrived.

As for for taking hint's from Valier's narrative ... Maybe Nogrod figured them out and she wants her game to last more than 3 days. I am not sure I believe this but I thought I'd throw it out there.

[Farael]

Good!! We got one, now two more to go.

++Eonwe

I still think that his random vote strategy is far too convenient to use should you be a werecat. Furthermore, it fits with my theory that the three to postulate themselves as "completely random voters" are werecats indeed. Untill swayed otherwise, I shall vote for Eonwe.

And yes, given my past history with a certain Aiwolfdil and now Sleepy, my ego has grown far too big. Either that or I'm trusting my luck and gut instinct a little more. In any case, Eonwe's going down, even if it means I'm going down with him.

[mormegil]

Agreed that Wilwarin's language seemed rather contrived.

As for for taking hint's from Valier's narrative ... Maybe Nogrod figured them out and she wants her game to last more than 3 days. I am not sure I believe this but I thought I'd throw it out there.

I don't think it's relevant and sincerely petition everybody to not pay any attention to any possible hint. Let's just play the game.

[Garin]

I'm going to get a vote out now because my intuition was correct yesterday.
Mormegil mirrored my thoughts about Wilwarin yesterday. (not saying I trust him yet, but Nogrod trusted both of us and Diamond on day 1.)

I still suspect them both, I will not grant anyone immunity from the noose just yet.

Her fellow werecat was doomed and she sent him a tear-jerking apology. Then she made the preemptive defenses on her maneuver for the next day. Hopefully, I am batting a thousand in something besides getting lynched.

It is retractable.

++Wilwarin

[Garin]

Garin: As for for taking hint's from Valier's narrative ... Maybe Nogrod figured them out and she wants her game to last more than 3 days. I am not sure I believe this but I thought I'd throw it out there.

I regret saying this and would like to apologize to our Moderator and regret questioning her motives. It was just a theory that I didn't believe in, personally.

I guess I was trying to figure out why Nogrod was killed and who else might have been on the martyr's list. I was suspecting Wilwarin since the end of the first day and she is on the list along with Sleepy Feline.

I guess what I am saying is that we shouldn't ignore Nogrod's list even though it was derived from a questionable hint-hunt.

Apologies to the dearly departed Valier and may the village live on.

[Kitanna]

While the hints by Valier was just to make things more interesting, Glirdan may be onto something.
If you note, Sleepy posted right after responding to this. He was later proven a Wolf. What does that tell us? The note had all three of the Wolves initials in there? Or was there just one? Or was it complete luck that we got Sleepy as Wolf? I definetly suggest looking into the other three mention above (Wilwa, Lommy and Tele)
The hint was nothing, but Nogrod's explanation of it and then Sleepy's immediate post that followed is a point of interest. Now Nogrod pinpointed Sleepy who has been proven guilty, but it may be possible Nogrod hit one of the other wolves as well and that pushed Sleepy to give his own explanation of the so-called hints. If that makes sense to anyone beside me. That's something to think about. But it's possible Nogrod just got Sleepy right and Sleepy was trying to dodge attention by offering his own idea about the "hint".

Thinlomien, Teleparca, and Wilwarin are three to watch and see, but I wouldn't base everything on a few posts that may just have been coincidence. Though I am rather sketchy of Teleparca. Wilwa's another one I'm pretty uneasy about. I have no real opinion on Lommy quite yet.

What I could and would have said about Wilwa already seems to have been said by Morm, so no need to repeat.
I know that being one of (or the) last person to vote for him will get me in trouble tomorrow. If he's guilty you'll say I was tryiing to save my own hide, if he's innocent you'll say I was trying to save Fareal.
I think what got me the most about that was the part about trying to save Farael. At the time Wilwa voted day was about to end and Sleepy was ahead by two votes and so unless several people planned on changing votes in the last three minutes Farael didn't need to be saved.

[Glirdan]

As I promised, I am back and with an analysis on Sleepy (I'm going to forget about analysing V=the death post).

Post #35 - Checks in and says to expect a random vote.

Post #42 - Decides that were-cats are meh. Chooses Kitanna as his random vote and votes for her.

Post #45 - Takes Nogrod's of post #43 and goes overboard with it. Looks at Teleperca and Lommy. Doesn't find anything suspicious about either of them. (Perhaps trying to cover for fellow Wolves? But I think it's probably his way of trying to get suspicion off of himself)

Post #46 - Double post. Takes the "I'm innocent" act a step further by pointing out Roa's location. (I'm going to completely disregard this attempt to make himself innocent and assume that Roa is most likely innocent. Why would a Cat want to inciminate a fellow Cat?)

Post #48 - Quotes Roa and ads on to what he said.

Post #50 - Asks what Nogrod meant by make fun of.

Post #52 - Quotes and corrects himself to Nogrod's post. Updates vote count. Sees an Eonwe bandwagon.

Post #57 - Finds Farael is rather jumpy. Lots of quoting and answering.

Post #60 - Quotes and apologises to Thinlo.

Post #75 - Quotes and answers Garin by saying that he is not enemies with him. Quotes Nogrod and answers. Speaks about past villages (I'm going to adress this shortly)

Post #77 - Changes vote from Kitanna to Farael and says that he's explained why earlier.

Post #84 - Asks Farael to restate his suspcions of him.

Post #87 - Says he's out for the Day and see you all next Day (HA!!)

I can't find anything else other than what I've put in italicies(sp?).

*OCC - Now there is something that I must adress that's been bugging me for quite some time. Now, I realise that the two people who did it are gone from the game, but it's still something that's enforced. Please refrain from talkling about specific games that have happened in the past. It takes the fun out of the game and you can't base everything on the statistics either.

[Garin]

Glirdan: Now there is something that I must adress that's been bugging me for quite some time. Now, I realise that the two people who did it are gone from the game, but it's still something that's enforced. Please refrain from talkling about specific games that have happened in the past. It takes the fun out of the game and you can't base everything on the statistics either.

Agreed, sir. I have been guilty of the same in other villages and am making an effort not to to repeat such behavior. The exchange between Sleepy and Nogrod seemed innappropriate. At least when I have done it I use vague dialogue abou 'past lives.'

Why is the village so quiet? I will check back later.

[Diamond18]

Alright, I'm back. And caught up. More or less.

First impressions: Wow, um, Nogrod, I wasn't expecting that. I mean, not that I was expecting anyone in particular to die, but I just thought they'd go with a quieter member. Noggie just strikes me as the kind of player wolves/cats leave alive to make a scapegoat and get lynched. However, I realize this might be bias coming from the last game I played with him. Also after reviewing how Nogrod brought up the possible hints in Valier's post, this does give somewhat of a reason. So I guess it's not that surprising.

Taking the rhyme analysis into consideration, we can look at it two different ways. Either Wilwa, or Lommy/Telperaca are culpable and got scared of Nogrod pointing it out. OR none of these people are cats and the cats knew killing Nogrod would create instant suspicion of Wilwa & Lommy/Telperaca. If, indeed, Nogrod's interpretation of Valier's rhyme was the reason for his death. Assuming it was, I am going to state that I personally believe Valier when she says she didn't actually leave any clues and was just playing with us. So, therefore I think it's most likely that the cats killed Nogrod in hopes of making us suspicious of Wilwa & Lommy/Telperaca.

Wilwa's vote for Sleepy and apology to Farael could be taken as suspicious. I agree about that. But I don't think I'm going to vote that way toDay because of my own personal theory that the cats want us to go for W/T/T because of Nogrod's interpretation of the rhyme.

Not sure, then, who to direct my vote towards. I voted Farael yesterDay but I believe Farael helped lynch Sleepy -- so unless they decided to sacrifice one of their very first Day, this makes me a little more wary of voting Farael.

I have to read over the posts more. This is just my off the cuff thinking after reading through all the posts from toDay once.

At any rate I have plenty of time to vote (I'll probably be around right up to the deadline tomorrow) so I'm not going to rush into anything right now.

[Diamond18]

(I x-posted with Glirdy & Garin)

As I promised, I am back and with an analysis on Sleepy
*OCC - Now there is something that I must adress that's been bugging me for quite some time. Now, I realise that the two people who did it are gone from the game, but it's still something that's enforced. Please refrain from talkling about specific games that have happened in the past. It takes the fun out of the game and you can't base everything on the statistics either.


Okay, okay... I think I just did this in my last post. :rolleyes: In my defense, it was just acknowledging that maybe I'd let the way the last game I played went color my perception of Nogrod. Or how others perceieve him. Not that it matters much.

As a newer player, most references to former games go over my head.

I agree that we shouldn't spend a lot of time dwelling on past games.

However, to ignore them completely seems impossible, since they are part of our consciousness and we can't vacuum out all previous knowledge. I think that even if we make it taboo to mention prior games, people are still going to be thinking about them.

Anyway, so I guess what I'm saying is all things in moderation. Yes, we want this game to stand on its own feet, but no we didn't just get plopped down here from outer space and this isn't the first game ever played on the board.

[Diamond18]

Wilwa's vote for Sleepy and apology to Farael could be taken as suspicious. I agree about that. But I don't think I'm going to vote that way toDay because of my own personal theory that the cats want us to go for W/T/T because of Nogrod's interpretation of the rhyme.

Blllerrgh. Sorry, this is a triple post, but I didn't think I should edit. I meant her apology to Sleepy not Farael. Sorry. It's been a long day and when I read through a slew of posts all at once my mind turns mushy. :rolleyes:

[Glirdan]

Well, I will be at the Inn until about an hour before closing time. I'm sorry that I couldn't do an analysis of the other three like I promised. If someone else would like to, please, be my guest. I shall see you all later tonight.

[mormegil]

Why is everybody so quiet?

I would like to hear from many more especially Wilwa and I hope that she can respond to my doubts about her so as to be placated but I fear that if I am not I will vote for her, that is unless of course I find somebody that is more suspicious in my mind.

As far as those who have spoken thus far today I find Farael to be the only real odd one. He came out instantly with a vote for Eonwe. Perhaps he has a one track mind and will loose sight of everyone else once he is focused. I know I can get that way too :rolleyes: . Anyway, Glirdan and Garin both seem fairly helpful as does Diamond but only to a slightly lesser degree. Currently I am inclined to believe both as innocents. Kitanna really only commented about the blasted rhyme, which I don't find particularly suspicious but I do find annoying. Let it be said clearly that if people are going on such a silly thing I perhaps would boycott this game altogether. So please let's just ignore it and move on.

[Diamond18]

Why is everybody so quiet?

I don't know about you but it's 10:30 PM where I am (CST) and 4:30 AM in GMT.

Not the most active time frames.


As far as those who have spoken thus far today I find Farael to be the only real odd one.

Yet he did vote for Sleepy yesterDay, and Sleepy voted for him. Perhaps a wolf-on-wolf tactic, but a very risky and reckless one. I'm not sure I believe the wolves would, as a group, be so crazy.



Kitanna really only commented about the blasted rhyme, which I don't find particularly suspicious but I do find annoying. Let it be said clearly that if people are going on such a silly thing I perhaps would boycott this game altogether. So please let's just ignore it and move on.

You seem awfully pushy on this matter.

Valier's the one who pointed us to her post for hints. Not only in Tol-in-Gauroth Jr. but in her second post in this thread (where she insisted we read the narration carefully because we never know what we might find). She did retract this and seem to regret having said it, but it was out there and cannot be truly taken back. Are you saying that the Cats definitely did not kill Nogrod because of his posting about the rhyme? For any conceivable reason?

Even considering that her narratives mean nothing special, we have to take into account that yesterDay and last Night her hint that they could (and the players reactions to that hint) may have affected the way the Cats thought and acted.

I have to say I do not like you telling us what to pay attention to and what to wipe from our minds.

[Alcarillo]

Well, I'll be heading to bed in an hour or so. I'll vote for

++Wilwa

For being generally suspicious. I was also swayed by the possibility Glirdan brought up concerning Sleepy's rapid response to the (now obsolete) clues in the rhymes, that Sleepy had spotted a couple of his fellow werewolves on that list. If I have a chance later, I might change my vote depending on what other arguments are brought up, but right now, with night soon approaching where I live, I'll take a chance and vote for Wilwa.

[mormegil]

Sorry but this post is all OOC

You seem awfully pushy on this matter.

I do feel rather strongly and perhaps that is why I am coming across as such. I apologize for sounding strong or rude but my feelings are genuine. I had PMed Valier as soon as I saw it and didn't agree with the whole affair. I feel that it destroys the spirit of the game to give hints, now she has said that it was all done in jest and was not actually meant to be serious. I believe her but what bothers me is that some seemed to be too focused on that and perhaps I'm letting my feelings get the best of me. For that I am sorry.

Are you saying that the Cats definitely did not kill Nogrod because of his posting about the rhyme? For any conceivable reason?

I am saying neither. I understand your point but I would choose to focus on other factors...one with more substance perhaps. Such as Wilwarin's final post.

Even considering that her narratives mean nothing special, we have to take into account that yesterDay and last Night her hint that they could (and the players reactions to that hint) may have affected the way the Cats thought and acted.

Again I agree and choose to ignore this the best I can. Perhaps it's a bit naive of me but I think we ought to focus on those things that are not part of the narative.

[Garin]

Okay
I still view Diamond as suspicious.
I see Wilwarin as suspicious.
Glirdan, makes me uneasy. Basically, Glirdan, Wil, and Sleepy all had related Avatars. I'm trying to ignore this, but it is difficult.
Morm and Thin haven't left my sights.
BED TIME, see you on the flip side.

[Kitanna]

Kitanna really only commented about the blasted rhyme, which I don't find particularly suspicious but I do find annoying. Let it be said clearly that if people are going on such a silly thing I perhaps would boycott this game altogether. So please let's just ignore it and move on.
I'm not using that rhyme as anything, I'm just saying look how Sleepy reacted to it when Norgrod put in his two cents. Norgrod used it to suspect Sleepy and Sleepy jumped right on it. I'm not saying the rhyme is anything to go on because I knew yesterday it wasn't, but I still think reactions to it are worth looking into.

[Diamond18]

Morm:

I understand why you don't like supposed clue dropping. I didn't like it either and I'm glad Valier has retreated from that. But if the Cats allowed it to affect them, I'm not going to let it stop me from tracking them down that way. As far as I see it, analyzing their possible motives for killing Nogrod is true to the traditional spirit of the game, even if it takes into consideration his posts dealing with the rhyme.

I think the fact that a few of us seem to differ in our opinions on whether or not to completely ignore a portion of yesterDay's events isn't a very good reason to boycott the game entirely. Everyone has different syles of play and I just don't think it's "playing nice" to say, basically, "everyone play my way or I'm not playing." Which was how I saw your last post.

Garin:

I didn't know I was high on your suspects list before. Perhaps I missed something.

Edit -- X-Posted with Kitanna. Obviously, I agree with her... it's all about the reactions, my precious. (Hey, I'm in character. Gollum the Barmaid, hoo hoo hee hee hah hah.)

[Formendacil]

Far be it from me to actually defend someone in one of these games (looks too lupine- or feline- you know), but I think Morm, that you completely missed the point of what Kitanna was saying.

As she said just now, the point of the matter was not the clues Valier had supposedly left, but Sleepy's reaction to them.

And, speaking of reactions, your own reaction to this whole matter is rather interesting. I am completely in agreement with you that Moderator Clues are rather unsporting. I also happen to think that Double-Lynching is unsporting. Your attitude on the subject is... overdone.

Unless you're a Werecat trying to hide from the village by drawing attention to the Clues Scandal, so as to keep the attention on the villagers already associated with that matter.

EDIT: X-posted with Cousin Diamond.

[Eonwe]

Ok, quick post, as I have to go to work in ... ... 8 minutes...

I haven't read anything above, so can't speak to that.

Wilwa of course is a bit suspect for showing up so late yesterday. But not really that much, as that would be pretty brazen. But, of course, you don't rule it out.

That is all. Sorry to be so rushed, but such is the curse of life...

[wilwarin538]

Here's my little defense of myself.

I told you yesterDay in my first post I would be back at 3ESt, but something happened and I ended up back at 5EST. So I had 1 hour before voting. I got stressed, especially once I became one of the last ones to vote. So I went through every scenario, if Sleepy was guilty and I voted for him, how much suspicion would I get? If he was innocent and I voted for him, if Fareal was guilty and I voted for him, and so on, thinking about what would give me the least amount of suspicion. I decided that voting for Sleepy would be better then not voting at all. I obviously was wrong since I have all the suspicion and not Glirdan.

So that's all I can say. I tried to make the best choice I could yesterday, thining about my own safety toDAY, and I guess I made the wrong choice. I obviously would have been better not voting, which I guess is what Glirdan realised.

Ok that was a lot of talking, I'm going to not defend myself anymore on this matter and just hope you all believe me.

ToDay I will hopefully be back at 3EST, but obviously anything can happen.

[Glirdan]

*OOC - Just a quick check in before I head off to school. PS: I may not be able to vote again toDay as I won't be back until about an hour before closing time and it's more then likely that the computer will be taken.

Glirdan, makes me uneasy. Basically, Glirdan, Wil, and Sleepy all had related Avatars. I'm trying to ignore this, but it is difficult.(Garin)

*OCC2-Well, I'm glad that you're trying to ignore this because you can't base anything on our avvies which are for another game. Go with the evidence that is found in the game, not with the Avvie's and locations and sigs. They mean nothing.

Wilwa, I am not casting suspicion on you because of your vote (which was made rather late but is completely understandable[for me anyway as I have the same problems you do]). I'm casting suspicion on you because Nogrod got one right in his post #43. Now, I have admitted earlier that it could have been sheer luck, but we can't be to sure of this.

What I want to know is what you mean by this:

I obviously was wrong since I have all the suspicion and not Glirdan.

Please explain yourself Ms. Butterflyofthenumbers.

Now I'm off to tend to my bar. I shall be back (hopefully) in six hours.

[Thinlómien]

I assume at least one of the fellow werecats voted Sleepy to exonerate her/himself. I believe Farael is innocent, because he cast the second vote for Sleepy; the one that makes the difference between a single vote and a bandwagon. A risk-taking werecat may cast the first vote for his/her fellow werecat, but to cast the second or the third vote is a bit too risky move for a werecat, or so I think.

The main question today seems (reasonably) to be why was Nogrod killed. He did get something right. His analysis on Valier's clues found out that Sleepy was a cat. Surely reason enough to the wolves to kill him, whether he pointed his finger on Sleepy accidentally or not. I don't believe Telperaca and Wilwarin so stupid, that they would kill Nogrod if they were cats, as it would straightly point to their guiltiness. The same goes with me, of course, but I don't bother to write my name there as I know I'm innocent.

[mormegil]

I obviously was wrong since I have all the suspicion and not Glirdan.

Wilwa, it seems to me that you are overreating just a bit, and that is, or course, is exactly what I would expect a werecat to do. See I don't think you've had all the suspicion. I for one have voiced some suspion of others. Farael already voted Eonwe, who does appear suspicious to me also. I believe that everybody has voiced suspicion of at least somebody else, so when you say that you have it all it makes me feel that we have a werecat who we've pinned against the wall with Farmer Maggots dog's keeping her at bay and she feels the pressure and heat.

I really wish to hear more from both Alcarillo and Eonwe. They both made a quick post and really didn't say a whole lot. Also Telperca hasn't posted today and only had one the first day. This is irksome because it makes it near impossible to read him/her. I'm certain there are others who haven't posted today but I am unable to do that cross checking currently.

Thinlómien, I have some questions regarding your last post. You seem to think that at least one werecat did a cat-on-cat vote, yet you fall short of naming any names. Please share with us those thoughts. I think you may have some valid points, however I would like to know more openly what you think.

ThinlómienThe same goes with me, of course, but I don't bother to write my name there as I know I'm innocent.

Ummm, how is it that you are a known innocent? I don't believe that anybody is at this point?

[Thinlómien]

Ummm, how is it that you are a known innocent? I don't believe that anybody is at this point? I didn't claim to be known innocent! I said I know that I'm innocent. I didn't say that you other people know that too.

Thinlómien, I have some questions regarding your last post. You seem to think that at least one werecat did a cat-on-cat vote, yet you fall short of naming any names. Please share with us those thoughts. I think you may have some valid points, however I would like to know more openly what you think. Why I didn't name any names was because I had no specific suspect. I'm not especially suspicious of Garin since he started voting Sleepy. Other people had voiced suspicions of him (Sleepy) before so Garin must have known that he may cause a bandwagon when taking the first step to really accuse Sleepy. I still don't close out the possibility of an extremely bold wolf.

So my finger points to Kitanna, Kath and Wilwarin. However, I don't suspect Wilwa as much as I do the k-ladies; by casting the last, kind of meaningless bandwagon-vote and appearing in Nogrod's list would have made her look bad enough without Nogrod's death. I don't believe that she would have dared to kill Nogrod as a werecat.

So based on cat-on-cat strategy my main suspects are Kitanna and Kath. However, concentrating on cat-on-cat issue makes us overlook half of the village and half of the possible werecats. So I won't nominate the k-ladies as my main suspects. I have to read through other people's posts as well.

[Roa_Aoife]

Hello, sorry I'm so late. Just managed to get back from research (Read: I've been in bed almost constantly. I hate being sick.)

Reviewing the posts- sacrificing a fellow wolf/cat on day one is a bold but useful strategy. I've seen it work out well before. I doubt that both of the remaining cats voted for Sleepy, but I'm sure at least one did.

As for the cause of Nogrod's death- what wolf/cat in their right mind would kill someone already suspicious of them? That's like drawing a big red arrow over your head and saying "Lynch me!" They may have been getting revenge for Sleepy's death, or they may have been trying to divert attention onto Thin, Teleperca, and Wilwa. I don't rule put that our oponents are foolish, but I think's it's better to assume they aren't.

[Thinlómien]

I'm glad to see I'm not the only one around.

I don't rule put that our oponents are foolish, but I think's it's better to assume they aren't. I agree. In a game of ww you should never underestimate your enemy.

[Roa_Aoife]

Sleepy Voters (heh)

Garin
Farael
Nogrod
Kitanna
Kath
Wilwa

I plan to do an action summary and analysis of this group. Care to help, Thin?

[Garin]

Thinlómien: I still don't close out the possibility of an extremely bold wolf.

It seems I can never win, I cast the first vote for a known feline and stick to that vote and people still have the nerve to cast me in a negative light.

I can say the only reason the werecats let me live to see the next day instead of poor Nogrod is because they thought the village would be idiotic enough to lynch me.

'Cause, I'm so lynchable.

Keep talking Thinlómien. Please.

And Diamond I find you suspicious... well, just because.
I'm sorry, you deserve a better answer. You will discover that I tend to go on instinct rather than the making enormous lists. I didn't vote for you and probably will not.

I like to flush out comments by mentioning names.

[Roa_Aoife]

Oh Garin, you're here too. Wanna help? You can analyse anyone but yourself. (Obviously.)

[Thinlómien]

Sleepy Voters (heh)
Garin
Farael
Nogrod
Kitanna
Kath
Wilwa
I plan to do an action summary and analysis of this group. Care to help, Thin?
Yes, I could, though I think making a summary might only distract us more. Farael was the second voter so I'd let his case be for a while. Nogrod is dead, so I see no point in analysing him. I'm not suspicious of Wilwa or Garin so... Hmm... Maybe I could do Kath at least and if I have time, Kitanna. If you really want to analyse the other people, go on.

edit: 900th post! Yippee!

[Garin]

I'll check out Kitanna because I've already looked at Wilwarin. I don't see why we are concentrating on the werecat voters and not those who made castaway votes and those who likely voted against innocents.

If there is a cat in the bunch, I still think it is Wilwarin.

[Thinlómien]

Ok, if Garin does Kitanna, I'll do Kath.

[Thinlómien]

Yesterday - 2 posts

#4 - Wonders the starting time. Says she will back.

#101 - Suspects morm (pointing out Diamond's and Farael's "fighting", which she doesn't take seriously), Garin (for his cat-ownership), Farael (tried to get people pick up his random accusations, eager double-lyncher, changes suspects often) and Telperaca (vague reasoning). She says something that makes me uneasy: I'm also suspicious of Sleepy, but I have no reasoning behind that. He just makes me feel very uncomfortable. I would rather vote for someone I had real and even vaguely supported suspicions of, but at the moment my vote is likely to go to and stay with: and then she votes him. Just above, she voiced somehow-grounded suspicions of three different people, so why on earth does she then vote Sleepy who she has no idea of? Kath, my friend, would you care to explain?

Today - nothing this far to analyse

Conclusion:
She has made only two posts this far and the one of them she is substantial in,she manages to be flip-floppy. Doesn't look good for her. Anyway, I would like to hear her explanations before drawing any further sinister conclusions.

[Thinlómien]

(I'm sorry for triple-posting... The flood is coming again... :eek: )

There are many people who haven't popped up by now. I know they still have plenty of time and they are in strange timezones :p, but nevertheless, it worries me.

When I read through the thread, two persons caught my attention. Alcarillo and Glirdan.

Alca just popped in and voted rather randomly (he gave no reasons except "suspiciousness"), then apologised and left. And he didn't even say he was in a hurry. I'd appreciate to hear about him more. He worries me a lot.

Glirdan doesn't post much substance. What really worries me about him is his analysises. Always an analysis. He might be trying to make us see through feline lenses or convince that he is helpful or convince he posts substance. he's hiding behind his analyses and I don't like it.

[Thinlómien]

Oh, it seems it might be the time for me to leave. I vote

++Glirdan

He has had a word today. There's too few on Alca and Kath to go on. A few posts. And I don't like voting people who can't defend themselves. (I know I'll probably have to leave my noble policy some day...)

Anyway, I voted now because I might have to go anytime between now and less than half an hour. I might comment more before I leave (depending on when I leave), but in case I won't may we lynch a wolf and good night (or day, depending on your locations) to all!

[Roa_Aoife]

Garin
Day 1
1st post - Character stuff. Mentions two cats? Thinks one wolf is in the early visitors, says he will vote for one of the first three visitors.
2nd post - definition of specious
3rd - definition of fallacious
4th - “Thanks for that, Roa…” (What’d I do?)
5th - Finds Alca’s vote and apology suspicious, not convinced about mod hints, is unsettled by sleepy trying to discern the gifteds, doesn’t like Diamond calling him a cat.
6th - character post (more mentions of pet cats) and distrust Eonwe for random vote theory
7th - Lists suspects: Eonwe, Alcarillo, Sleepy Ranger, Mormegil (Why not?) Votes Sleepy, doesn’t want to make him an enemy, Asks for deadline.
8th - responds to Diamond’s pic
9th - worries about Form, says, “A feline can throw in a couple votes against fellow werecats and then go after an innocent in the end.” decides to stick with Sleepy vote despite being unsure.
10th - regrets remark about being unsure with Sleepy vote, says it is a feline play, not sure about anyone

Day 2
1st post - describes his vote for Sleepy, is suspicious of Wilwarin, suggests looking at Nogrod’s list to “see what happens”
2nd - Agrees with Mormegil that Wilwa’s language seems contrived, suggests that the hints from the narrative may actually be useful
3rd - Points out that Nogrod trusted him, Mormegil, and Diamond. Still suspects the other two, list assumed behavior if Wilwa is a werecat, sates that the vote is retractable, votes Wilwa.
4th - apologizes to moderator for assuming validity of the “hints”, says he didn’t actually believe in that theory, explains that he suspects Wilwa because of the end of the day and the list, doesn’t think we should ignore the list
5th - Agrees with Glirdan that the dialog about past villages is inappropriate, wonders about the quietness of the village
6th - Suspicious of Diamond, Wilwa, Glirdan, says Morm and Thin haven’t left his sights
7th - Complains about being suspected despite voting for Sleepy, thinks the only reason he’s alive and Nogrod isn’t is because he’s easy to lynch, asks Thin to keep talking, finds Diamond suspicious because of instinct alone, says he likes to flush out comments
8th - agrees to analyze Kitanna, doesn't understand looking at the Sleepy Bandwagon, still suspects Wilwarin

[Thinlómien]

And what are your own thoughts on that, Roa?

[Roa_Aoife]

What interests me is that you admit that Feline's may vote for each other to throw off suspicion, but then don't understand the reasoning for analyzing the Sleepy Bandwagon (oh, his name is too much fun). Your distrust of Eonwe came late in the game, as many others had been knocking this around before hand. While I know why I'm suspicious of Morm, I've yet to hear why you mention him so specifically. Also, when you say you're still suspicious of Thin- I didn't see you previously mention being suspicious of her. Did I miss something? You also stay on your suspicion of Wilwa without giving a good reason for it. You admit that alot of your suspicion came from the list theory, which has now been tossed aside, but you hold onto it anyways. If you're talking about reactions to it, she didn't really react.

Also, you're vote for Sleepy came after a lot of suspicion had been thrown on him. Maybe you sacrificed your fellow cat to make yourself look innocent. Certainly, being the first voter would seem to clear you. However, if it looked like a bandwagon was about to start anyways, you may just have been using it to cover your tracks.

Edit: Cross posted with Thin. I like to keep my analysis and my summary seperate, so as not to sway people trying to analyze on their own.

[mormegil]

There are many people who haven't popped up by now. I know they still have plenty of time and they are in strange timezones :p, but nevertheless, it worries me.

When I read through the thread, two persons caught my attention. Alcarillo and Glirdan.

I am actually in agreement with you here. Glirdan doesn't concern me as much as Alcarillo and Eonwe. However, I don't buy Wilwa's defense and I will vote for her. Tomorrow I will look closer at them and others who haven't said much. I think your willingness to look at many sources speaks in your favor Thinlomien, to your innocence however I am not fully convinced but I am leaning that way now.

With that said I still am uncertain as to a lot of things but I feel fairly strongly that Wilwa's vote yesterday was simply an attempt to dupe the rest of us by showing that she voted for a wolf. But really it was more like her screaming that she thinks we should kill him when he's already on the chopping block and transformed so it really doesn't show anything of her supposed innocence. Then we get to her explination and everything she says seems very contrived (to borrow from Garin...I was looking for that word). She's too suspcious for me.

++Wilwarin of the numbers

[Roa_Aoife]

Following my analysis, it also occurs to me that your other main reason for suspecting Wilwa is her vote for Sleepy. Why then would you ask for the reason of analyzing Sleepy's voters?

Also, your first post today, drawing attention to your sleepy vote makes you very suspicious in my mind. It seems like your saying, "See? I voted for a cat! I must be innocent," which is exactly what I would expect a cat to say.

[Farael]

No, you all!! VOTE FOR EONWE!!! HE'S SLIPPING THROUGH THE CRACKS!!!

Ok, back to my bacteria... erm I mean foolish behaviour :p

[Roa_Aoife]

You could do an analysis of Eonwe if it bothers you that much Farael.

[Roa_Aoife]

Wilwa
Day 1
1st post - Rushed, requests people to be logical in voting, wants to keep gifteds alive
2nd - has a weird feeling about Garin, uneasy about Farael, wants to reread everything, says she might vote for Sleepy, but wants to wait a bit, comments on Oddness in Glirdan’s post
3rd - requests time limit
4th - Gives reasoning for Sleepy vote, says he has the most reasons to be suspected, votes Sleepy.

Day 2
1st post - answers suspicions, says she was stressed because of the situation her lateness put her in, says she made the best decision she could, thinks it would have been better not to vote like Glirdan

[Roa_Aoife]

Anaylsis of Wilwa

I have found no contradiction in her posts. She hasn't jumped around, and she stays on one track. I doubt seriously that a cat would kill someone who was suspicious of them, so Nogrod's list is out in my mind. I also believe that the placement of her vote means nothing. She said that she would probably vote for Sleepy, but she wanted to review. She also mentioned that she would be only able to vote near the dealine. RL issues made her the last voter- that's hardly a reason to lynch her. In my experience, wolves/cats hide in the middle or the beginning of bandwagons for their teammates.

Her hedge statement is the only point of suspicion I can find, and that alone is not enough for me to lynch her.

[Kath]

Lommy your suspicions of me are well-founded, but false. I know my reasoning was bad yesterDay but while I analyse and try to find reasons for those I suspect, sometimes you have to go with gut instinct. It is often the case that those you can't find proof of guilt for are the ones that are guilty, as they are trying harder to appear inconspicuous, to cover their tracks. But then you can get a 'feeling' that something is wrong, that they are too inconspicious and innocent-looking. Yeah that was a rubbish defence :rolleyes:

To other people! Now, while I don't wish to bring up gripes about Nogrod's list again, I feel that Kitanna had a good point about looking at the way people reacted to it. Sleepy's reaction was indeed over the top, but that may have been more due to his noting that his own name was in the list rather than seeing those of his fellow wolves, though of course it is possible. So, due to the possible reasoning behind Sleepy's overreaction (I said possible morm, don't fire up) an eye should be kept on Telp, Lommy and wilwa.

Telp we haven't seen toDay and saw very little of yesterDay. There may be reasons for this and it could be timezones so I will leave her be for now, though I would like to hear more from her.

Lommy I think innocent. She's being a loudmouth and changing her opinion every few posts and so playing as normal :p

That brings me to wilwa. Many people have mentioned her last post yesterDay and I think with good reason. She was in no way sealing Sleepy's death as she was the last to vote and there was only one person left (I think). Her defence of herself toDay also left much to be desired. Her reasoning for her vote wasn't that she was simply voting for the one who she felt was most guilty out of the two, but the one that would put the least suspicion on her! Now while this is a valid concern the most pressing reason behind a vote whether it be Day 1 or Day 6 should be suspicion.

Oh and as for Nogrod's death, what if the Cats simply thought he was the Seeker? It would be a bold move indeed for the Seeker to expose themselves so early on, but it might have concerned the Cats that someone so quickly caught one of their number out and thought him to be this bold.

I will be around for a while yet this evening, up to quite close to the deadline so I won't vote yet. I know we have retractable votes, but it just makes things so confusing!

[Roa_Aoife]

Added onto that- the main reason everyone is suspecting her is Nogrod's list. Valier already pointed out that there were no hints in the narrative. Saying that Nogrod caught Sleepy with that list is really an over statement. There were many other reasons people suspected Sleepy, Nogrod included. You place too much faith in a list that has been debunked.

I'm not saying we shouldn't be suspicious of Wilwa- we should suspect everyone- but the case against her is flimsy and insubstantial.

Edit: Cross posted with Kath

[Garin]

Roa: Also, your first post today, drawing attention to your sleepy vote makes you very suspicious in my mind. It seems like your saying, "See? I voted for a cat! I must be innocent," which is exactly what I would expect a cat to say.

I'm sorry I seem upset but there happens to be a matter of where the vote appears. Wilwarin's last minute vote and dialogue is suspicious and is completely different from my vote for Sleepy.

[Roa_Aoife]

Garin, you don't seem upset. And you haven't answered that suspicion. Pointing out your own vote like that was suspicious, and as far as you knew, it was the first post. (You marked that you had cross-posted with the first two posters.)

[Kath]

Meant to put this in that last post!

The person I feel is actually most suspicious toDay is Garin. His gloating about having been the one to start the Sleepy bandwagon put me on edge and then I read Roa's analysis of him and it only increased my suspicions. He has very vague or no reasoning at all for many of his suspicions.

I would like to hear from Garin regarding this, preferably without rude comments and general high-mindedness. :cool:

By the way Roa, sorry for ruining your quadruple posting!

[Roa_Aoife]

No need to apologize, Kath, I didn't want to turn into Thin anyways. (No offense Thin.)

I'd like to take a moment to address a few things - first, I'm female. You can see my pic on the BD photopage to prove it. And don't worry, no offense taken. (I'm told I have very masculine behavior anyways....)

Second, I disagree that referencing past games is in poor taste. People who have played in certain past games can remember the behavior of the other villagers. Ie, "So-and-so acted like this when they were a gifted, but like this when they were a wolf." Also, references to past games can help devise strategies. True, every game is different, but certain trends appear time and time again. The last game I played in, my fellow seer mangaed to let an innocent know who she was by hinting at a past game with a similar situation. Experience counts for something here. Trying to take away the advantage of an experienced player isn't playing fairly.

The new players will catch on. And if they listen to those with more experience, they may catch the subtleties of the game a lot faster.

[Garin]

Sorry, but I was proud that I helped get a Werecat and thought I finally arrived in a village that wouldn't lynch an innocent Garin. I am at work and am too busy right now. My vote stands for now.

Answering suspicions has distracted me from my analysis of Kitanna and I have no time left.

Basically, I wrote my analysis of Kitanna on MS Word and for some reason the work comp is not allowing me to copy and paste onto the web. My lunch is over so I won't be able to post what a wrote today.

Basically, Kitanna seems okay to me at the moment but raised some good points about others. Gotta go......

EDIT: Spelling

[Formendacil]

Okay, I'm totally at sea here...

Well, not completely, but I'm becoming VERY aware just how seperate the WWJ and the main WW communities are... There is some overlap, of course, but I haven't been this clueless about so much of a village since my first game...

That said, Alcarillo's name has come up a couple times as being annoyingly quiet in posting, showing up towards the end, posting a vote with little explanation.

Now, this is perfectly normal for Alcarillo. I don't know if this is a style he has consciously chosen, or if it's a problem to be associated with Real Life. Either way, he has an annoying tendency to slip under the radar.

This can be a good thing. Alcarillo was once a Ranger, and was able to survive for the better portion of the game, protecting the Seer and other miscellaneous sorts.

It can also be a bad thing. Alcarillo was once a Werewolf, and survived to win the game.

Personally, I am of the opinion that it is a bad thing. Most likely, stats being what they are, Alcarillo is an Ordo- but with his low posting rate, we'll never know. If he's a Werewolf... er, Werecat, then we'll never know either.

If he's a Gifted... then sorry.

++ Alcarillo

[Garin]

In closing, I find no reason I need to defend myself except that anyone who votes for me is either stupid or a werecat.

Edit: Sorry to offend anyone but that is vintage Garin.

[Roa_Aoife]

If someone could please post an analysis of Farael, I would be much obliged. I don't really have the energy for it right now. I don't know if I'll be back on before closing. For now, my suspicion is with Garin.

++Garin

If I manage to get on and find someone else more suspicious, I'll change my vote.

Edit: Cross posted with Garin- I believe Kath requested you defend yourself without the rudeness and high-mindedness.

Also, Alca, there's another werewolf community you've been neglecting. *points to signature* ;)

[Garin]

Kath: I would like to hear from Garin regarding this, preferably without rude comments and general high-mindedness.

Gosh, do you know me, Kath?

I wasn't gloating about starting Sleepy's bandwagon. I simply wanted to state that my vote was not a random one and was based on suspicion. I was also delighted that we killed a Werecat and I cast the first vote!

That is not suspicious, that is a villager celebrating.

Vote for me if you must.

Oh, and Roa.

Which one are you?

[mormegil]

Second, I disagree that referencing past games is in poor taste. People who have played in certain past games can remember the behavior of the other villagers. Ie, "So-and-so acted like this when they were a gifted, but like this when they were a wolf." Also, references to past games can help devise strategies. True, every game is different, but certain trends appear time and time again. The last game I played in, my fellow seer mangaed to let an innocent know who she was by hinting at a past game with a similar situation. Experience counts for something here. Trying to take away the advantage of an experienced player isn't playing fairly.

If we are going that way I see nothing abnormal in Garin's behavior than my past experiences with him, and they are many!

Oddly Kath seems innocent...is that good or bad? We always seem to suspect each other and yet she doesn't strike me as suspicious. Roa I think is helpful but possibly misdirected. I really don't think Garin is a wolf and would be folly to lynch the poor chap. Plus Nilp would cry.

[mormegil]

Eonwe--1 (Farael)
Wilwarin--3 (Garin, Alcarillo, Morm)
Glirdan--1 (Thinlo)
Alcarillo-- (Formen)
Garin--1 (Roa)

[wilwarin538]

What I meant Glirdan is that you didn't vote and you harldy have suspicion, I voted and now I have a lot(maybe I was exagerating with the "all" Morm). So maybe I would have been better of not voting at all.

Technicaly I was kinda sealing Sleepy's fate. Glirdan still had to vote. Sleepy had 4 and Fareal had 3. If I voted for Sleepy there would have been no possible way of having a tie. If I voted for Fareal, Glirdan could still have come back and also voted for Fareal, keeping Sleepy alive. So by me voting for him I was making sure that Fareal couldn't die in his place. The only thing that worried me about that was if Sleepy was innocent and we found out later that Fareal was guilty, then you would all go back and think I was protecting Fareal. But I was consintrating more on short term. I had also promised to come back and vote, I thought that if I didn't then you would all think I was trying to keep myself away from the spotlight. That's the way I was thinking yeasterDay. All sorts of scenarios. I must have been thinking to much into it, cause I made the wrong choice.

To Kath: I was thinking about my own safety yesterDay, I admit it. But I always find it hard to be really suspicious of someone so early anyway, so on Day 1s I consintrate on what will keep me alive , and what will get me away from suspicion.( I know it sounds somewhat selfish but its how I've always played Day1s) Then once we have more to go I base my votes solely on how suspicious they seem to me.

So there it is, believe me or don't believe me. There really is nothing more I can say.

Be back a little later to vote.

[Eonwe]

In any case, Eonwe's going down, even if it means I'm going down with him.

Ha-ha! We shall be jointly annihilated in a giant super-nova explotion!

++Farael

:p

[Garin]

Oh Wilwarin, I always feel guilty when sending someone to the noose. Especially a woman. If you have a concrete reason to lynch another, please be out with it!

Thanks for not reacting to my vote the way, say, Garin would. Yes, I am a very vindictive PERSON and trying not to react to anyone who dares second-guess my honorable intentions.

I will go back to work and scan the thread and see if I need to change anything.

[mormegil]

--Wilwarin

++Eonwe

I am moderately placated at Wilwa and am now uncertain as to her guilt. I will give her the benefit of the doubt today, however Eonwe seems rather irratic and dangerous. I've had some nagging suspicion of him and I will see what I think.

Wilwa, as a fair warning, however, you are not out of the microscope. I will analyze everything you say very closely. While I took away my vote today I still may tomorrow.

[Eonwe]

Ok, time to cut the shenanigans...

First off, congrats to those who voted for Sleepy. I was banking he was just messing around. It actaully rather surprises me that he allowed himself to get caught this early. Anyway, miricals DO happen. :)

Actaully, I find Farael to be either very innocent or incredibly suspicious. Aren't they always that way though? Would a wolf really attack someone that boldly? Bluff or no-bluff? that is the question. But I'm leaning toward innocence on this one.

Wilwa is certainly looking suspicious. But I wouldn't vote for her on a time issue. The vote of Sleepy is a bit suspicious, though. However, I'm not entirely conviced Kitty-Wilwa would do something like that. If I was cat in her postion, I would have voted for someone with just a few votes. Maybe one or two, but not teh person getting lynched, when I knew it was a wolf. Of course, I'm not Wilwa.

I need to do some more research to become truely informed, but I have a few things to do and not much time to do them in, so I can't promise that I will get the time to research adequately. Sorry, my schedule should be opening up a bit more toward the weekend.

[Eonwe]

Oops, forgot.

--Farael

Obviously, I wasn't really serious. Just a joke.

Morm, in what way am I playing dangerously? I would say I'm playing on the conservative side, as is my wont.

[Diamond18]

I am afraid that Glirdan is going to die today because he didn't vote yesterDay and didn't think he'd get a vote in toDay, either. I'm talking Mod-fire from Heaven death. So if we mistakenly kill an innocent toDay and Glirdan is zapped and turns out to be an innocent, we've lost two in one Day followed by one in the Night. This is three innocents in a row and I do not like that math.

I'm not particularly suspcious of Glirdan myself, but I'd rather have just one innocent die toDay than possibly two. I do not intend to vote for Wilwa because it's my suspicion that the Werecats want us to do that, and I fear that if she's lynched toDay she will prove innocent.

Right now I'm going to vote:

+ + Glirdan

If he votes toDay I may retract. In fact I most likely will. But if he doesn't vote toDay I would encourage others to vote for him as well because if he doesn't vote he is doomed anyway!

X-posted with Eonwe and Garin and Morm.

[Kath]

Garin, you still haven't answered my other question. Would you please provide reasoning for your suspicions of morm and Lommy? I am not a wereCat and I certainly hope I am not stupid, but unless you answer that I'm afraid my vote will be going to you as you are still the most suspicious person here right now.

Speaking of morm, I too am worried as right now I'm viewing you as innocent. It's freaking me out!

[Garin]

Kath, I go by intuition and I currently view everyone as suspicious. I do think that I tend to agree with some fellow villagers but don't want to get in bed with them if they turn out to be werecats.

I regret I have not the time to be more specific and will only be a fleeting precense in the village until the deadline.

[Kitanna]

Ack, I wish I could have gotten on sooner, but this has been the first time I've had computer access for more than five minutes all day. We have about an hour left to vote, yes? I'm going to see what's happened since last I was on and then vote. I just didn't want you to come after me because I've been gone all day.

[Glirdan]

Well, Diamond, I'm here and I'm voting. I said I may not be able to. I never said absolutely factual that I wouldn't be able to. But first, I need to go through all the posts made since I've been away.

[Diamond18]

Glirdy: I'm glad to see you. I hope you're not a Cat, because I'm feeling you as innocent.

- - Glirdan

Now I'm going to think about who I really want to vote for.

[wilwarin538]

Alrighty then. I read through everyone's post and have decided to vote for Glirdan.

++Glirdan

Because of what he said here:

My thoughts - Just Valier's post about not to take what she said on the notice board (the original thread) seriously. But I'm not sure if we should do that. Look what happened yesterDay? Nogrod got it right about Sleepy. What if he was right abou Wilwa and Lommy/Teleperca? It is possible that it was complete luck, but I think we need to test that to make sure. I know I said I'd do an analysis of other things and I will when I return.

He also mentioned this again a little later. I find it very odd that he wants to vote for the people in Nogrod's post yeaterday. Nogrod based those on the fact that Valier hinted at that she left hints in her first posts. But even after Valier says it was a bluff Glirdan still wants to look into it. What's the point if the moddess said there was nothing there?

So that's all, I won't be coming back toDay.

crossposted with Diamond, now it seems there's a three way tie between me, Glirdan and Eonwe

[Glirdan]

I think that toDay, I will leave Wilwa be. She's explained herself for her vote and I don't want to trust entirely to a ryhme that's part of a death. Which means I'm also going to leave Lommy and Teleperca alone.

Glirdan doesn't post much substance. What really worries me about him is his analysises. Always an analysis. He might be trying to make us see through feline lenses or convince that he is helpful or convince he posts substance. he's hiding behind his analyses and I don't like it.

With this dratted time-zone disease, I post when I can which takes about fourteen hours out of my time so I'm sorry that I can't post as much as I would like. I have a questin: do my analyses help? I don't know about you, but when I do analyses or read them, it allows me to sort my thoughts about that person. So I'm sorry for trying to help others do the same.

That's really the only thing I have to comment on. I'll be back in a bit to vote.

[Diamond18]

Okay.

+ + Eonwe

Why?

Well, looking at the final results from yesterDay:

Sleepy (Garin, Farael, Nogrod, Kitanna, Kath, Wilwa) - 6
Farael (Alcarillo, Sleepy, Diamond) - 3
Eonwe (Telperaca) - 1
Glirdan (Formendacil) - 1
Formendacil (Thinlomien) - 1
Mormegil (Roa) -1
Thinlomien (Mormegil) - 1
Garin (Eonwe) - 1

He voted for Garin late in the Day, and it seemed a pretty safe, throwaway vote. The other people who casts votes for the "1 vote" people did so earlier in the Day before there was a contest between Farael and Sleepy. It seems to me that someone voting later in the Day would attempt a more substantial vote, unless they were trying too hard to stay safe.

So, right now the standings are:

Eonwe (Farael, Morm, Diamond) - 3
Wilwarin (Garin, Alcarillo) - 2
Glirdan (Thinlo, Wilwa) - 2
Alcarillo (Form) - 1
Garin (Roa) -1

[Kitanna]

Farael seems to continue his voting against Eonwe. He's quite hellbent on it and I find it hard to decide where to turn in that mess. I figure though if one is innocent the other is most likely guilty.

Wilwa also grabbed some suspicion today and I've already voiced my concerns about her earlier today.
I tried to make the best choice I could yesterday, thining about my own safety toDAY, and I guess I made the wrong choice. I obviously would have been better not voting, which I guess is what Glirdan realised.
Ok, I find it odd that Wilwa said this. I mean most of us are trying to be as careful as possible, but there's just something about this that gets me. I can't really explain it, but it's like "hey I voted to save my own skin because I have something to hide." Maybe I'm being irrational because I'm cold, wet, and tired, but This statement by Wilwa and her voting statement from yesterday have put me off.

The Roa said this of Wilwa
I doubt seriously that a cat would kill someone who was suspicious of them, so Nogrod's list is out in my mind. I also believe that the placement of her vote means nothing.
While I see the logic to this I wouldn't put it past the werecats to kill someone who suspected them. Nogrod didn't have strong suspicions of the three others he named along with Sleepy, at least not enough to convict them. So, if he did manage to get one other wolf in his "hint" post. But that's nothing concrete for me to go on. It's possible another wolf was mentioned by Nogrod aside from Sleepy, but it's equally possible he just got Sleepy by luck.

Ack, I'm running out of time again, so much to say so little.

Ok in short then, Wilwa and Garin have gotten a bit of suspicion. Farael is going for Eonwe at all costs. A few votes have come Glirdan's way, though it appears one has been retracted. I want to be helpful and I feel I'm not and now I have to vote. Grrrr

I find myself torn. I suspect Wilwa, but looking at Garin's post and as Kath put it his "gloating" about catching a werecat is pretty odd. Those two are at the top of my list. I'm kind of worried about the whole Eonwe and Farael thing. I said before if one is innocent, then the other is probably guilty. But I am having a tough time deciding who could be who. Glirdan...haven't given much thought to it honestly. I don't think he's overly suspicious or innocent, he just is kind of there. And finally Teleparca, who has said nothing, voted for Eonwe yesterday for a reason based on a post Eonwe made at the very beginning of the day. So, where to put a vote...

[Glirdan]

He also mentioned this again a little later. I find it very odd that he wants to vote for the people in Nogrod's post yeaterday. Nogrod based those on the fact that Valier hinted at that she left hints in her first posts. But even after Valier says it was a bluff Glirdan still wants to look into it. What's the point if the moddess said there was nothing there?

I do realise that Valier came and said not to look at the posts. However, how can we be sure that Nogrod wasn't off? By taking your, Lommy and Teleperca's word on it? I'm afraid that doesn't cut it. That's what really bugs me. Nogrod got one right. How do we know that he didn't get the other two??

And it seems that I cross-posted with Diamond and Wilwa in my post above...

[Kath]

Well I'm going to stick with

++GARIN

He didn't really give any satisfactory answers earlier and he was contradictory, first saying he suspected specific people and then saying he suspected everyone. Well we all suspect everyone, we don't know their roles. He is just being generally unhelpful.

[Diamond18]

Oh, I forget (Kitanna's post reminded me) another reason to vote Eonwe is because, like she pointed out, it's unlikely the both are Cats due to their behavior towards each other (unless they are playing really Catish mind games with us... hmm...) Anyway, Farael's vote for Sleepy at a crucial point make him seem innocent to me, ergo I look to Eonwe as being the Cat of the duo.

[Kitanna]

Sigh, Garin or Wilwa...either way I bring the vote up to three for either and tie it with Eonwe. Could be quite the dangerous scenario for me, but I'm going to go with my gut here.

++Garin

Kath mentioned he has been mentioning how he started the Sleepy bandwagon. It's almost as if he's saying "look here, I started the bandwagon that ended a werecat's life. I can't possibly be guilty."

[Glirdan]

It also seems that I just x-posted with Kitanna as well. :rolleyes:

However, I rather like the points that Kitanna has just brought up.

I tried to make the best choice I could yesterday, thining about my own safety toDAY, and I guess I made the wrong choice. I obviously would have been better not voting, which I guess is what Glirdan realised.

Ok, I find it odd that Wilwa said this. I mean most of us are trying to be as careful as possible, but there's just something about this that gets me. I can't really explain it, but it's like "hey I voted to save my own skin because I have something to hide." Maybe I'm being irrational because I'm cold, wet, and tired, but This statement by Wilwa and her voting statement from yesterday have put me off.

I know Wilwa as a smart player and it seems (as Kitanna said) rather odd that she said that. What makes me more suspicious of her as well as Roa now is this:

I doubt seriously that a cat would kill someone who was suspicious of them, so Nogrod's list is out in my mind. I also believe that the placement of her vote means nothing.

As far as I know, Nogrod didn't post any real suspcions of anyone other than Sleepy. So really, the Wolves attacking choice was a rather smart one. Not only did they get rid of the person who pinpointed one of the Wolves, they got rid of one of the most vocal villagers who contributed greatly. What makes me really suspcious (and once again, I realise that the Modess has said to not look at them for clues) is the fact that he got a Wolf out of that group of people from the rhyme. That is why I'm suspciouis of Wilwa. I've seen no reason to be suspicious of Lommy or Teleperca. Wilwa on the other hand is looking more suspcious to me.

Edit - cross posted with a bunch of people. And now it's down to me to either break the tie, not vote and get "lynched" by the Modess (out of the question) or to vote someone other then Garin or Eonwe (both which [after proof that has just come up] are seeming rather guilty).

Here's the voting thus far:

Eonwe (Farael, Morm, Diamond) - 3
Wilwarin (Garin, Alcarillo) - 2
Glirdan (Thinlo, Wilwa) - 2
Alcarillo (Form) - 1
Garin (Roa, Kath, Kitanna) -3

Do I dare vote someone else for a double lynch?? I don't think I should....but I don't want to be part of the masses just to save myself trouble tomorrow...I've always been told to vote for the one I'm most suspicious of...but I don't know if I should do that now...GRRR!! This is so frustrating. But I still have fifteen minutes to decide...I'll be back in five minutes to cast my vote...

[Diamond18]

Eonwe (Farael, Morm, Diamond) - 3
Garin (Roa, Kath, Kitanna) - 3
Wilwarin (Garin, Alcarillo) - 2
Glirdan (Thinlo, Wilwa) - 2
Alcarillo (Form) - 1

Someone's going to have to break the tie between Eonwe and Garin. A vote for Wilwa just creates a three way.

[Eonwe]

Diamond, when I'm dead and gone, you'll eat your words. Like I said, IF I was a cat, I would have voted for someone with 2-3 votes, not start my own candidate. Anyway, I had been saying so the either day.

I could vote Garin to save myself, but I don't think I will. After all, an innocent is very likely going to die anyway. If not me, than someoe, right?

I think I'm going to vote Wilwa. I just don't feel comfortable with her. And I don't have a better candidate, soooo:

++Wilwa

Also, I am a bit leery of Morm. I don't really know why, though. He just seems like too smooth a player. That's player as in game, not playa as in playa. :rolleyes:

[Eonwe]

Oh ho, your so right Diamond. My bad, I wasn't really keeping up on votes too well. I need to do some frantic calculations.

[Eonwe]

--Wilwa

++Garin

There are two poeple left to vote. Telperaca seems to be pulling a Witch Queen... :rolleyes:

This is obviously not my preference, but it better than a three way tie...

[Diamond18]

Diamond, when I'm dead and gone, you'll eat your words. Like I said, IF I was a cat, I would have voted for someone with 2-3 votes, not start my own candidate. Anyway, I had been saying so the either day.

Well we could get into an argument about game tactics, but I personally like for votes to count, and don't think it's wolf/cattish to try and influence who gets lynched. *shrug*

So even if you are innocent I don't intend to eat my words... you wouldn't be the first innocent to be suspected by another innocent, so if my strategy seems cattish to others, well, so be it.

Like I said, a vote for Wilwa is pretty useless at the moment.

[Glirdan]

Fine, I'm casting my vote now (Eonwe just voted and the breaking of a tie doesn't rest with me). I'm going to vote for the one whom I find most suspicious.

++Wilwa

Read my above post for reasons as to why.

[Glirdan]

Oh, to explain myself now instead of later. I voted Wilwa (even though it is a useless safe vote) because she is the one I am most suspicious of. May we catch another Wolf toDay.

[Diamond18]

Garin (Roa, Kath, Kitanna, Eonwe) - 4
Eonwe (Farael, Morm, Diamond) - 3
Wilwarin (Garin, Alcarillo, Glirdan) - 3
Glirdan (Thinlo, Wilwa) - 2
Alcarillo (Form) - 1

[Eonwe]

In which case, I'll go with my preffered choice:

--Garin

++Wilwa

-eep- Mod?

[Valier]

Stop posting! Death will be up shortly

[Valier]

The darkness began to creep into the village, the occupants were in a frenzy to kill the traitor in their midst.

"No, you all! Vote for Eonwe." Shouted Farael

"I say down with Glirdan!" shouted Thinlomien after Farael.

"I say we kill, Wilwarin! She is a traitor!" Alcarillo argued.

"Yes lets! I will ready the pot!" Agreed Garin.

"Get the pot!" Screamed Glirdan

The villagers Tackled Wilwarin538 before she had a chance to defend herself.They bound and gagged her, as a very large pot was brought out into the square. A fire was lit and soon water was happily bubbling away.

"Throw her in!" Yelled Garin "The waters mighty hot!"

Eonwe stepped towards the bound girl that lay upon the ground.He Held her over his head and tossed her in.

Bind or no bind the sound that escaped Wilwarins lips were horrific! She twitched and writhed and struggled to free herself. Her skinned started to turn crimson as the villagers watched in horror. Then crimson turned to brown as a sudden burst of hair pushed through her skin. In seconds it had melted away, and the wretched smell of burnt hair filled the square. She bobbed and snarled and tried to spit, but the bonds held.
She bobbed amongst the bubbles long after her struggles had stopped and the village became quiet.


Dead villagers:
Valier: Tomato grower- Died from a thousand cuts. (Moderator)
Naria- Pediotrist-Was danced upon until she died.(Co-Moderater)
Sleepy Ranger-Mayor-Drowned by village on Day 1 (Werecat)
Nogrod-Ale Maker-Werecats got his tongue night 1 (Ordo)
Wilwarin538-Berry picker-Boiled alive by village on Day2 (Werecat)



Live villagers:
Telperaca-Baker
Kitanna-Grumpy old woman
Diamond18-Barmaid
Roa-Aoife-Folklorist
Garin-Weathered former mercenary
Kath-Ale drinker
Alcarillo-Fisherman
Eonwe-Wayfaring stranger
Farael-Foolofatook
Formendabras Took- Ne'er-do-well
Glirdan-Barman at the local Inn
Mormegil-Shirriff
Thinlomien-Postwoman


Remaining Werecat, Seeker,Protector I need your nightly picks.
AGAIN, I WILL BE INTRODUCING THE BIRTHDAY DREAMER ON THE THIRD DAY/NIGHT. READ THE RULES IF YOU ARE UNSURE HOW THIS WILL WORK.

[Valier]

The Third day dawns

The villagers crept from their dwellings to see what had happened. They were sure they would find a fresh body the Werecat had left for them.But there in the middle of the town stood a huge pile of Kitty litter, standing almost five feet high.

"I don't think anyone is gone." Said Glirdan

The villagers stood and counted heads. But one villager did seem to be missing.

"I found someone." Shreiked Thinlomien. " I think it's Kitanna!"

Sure enough there was an arm sticking out from the bottom of the pile of stinky litter. The villagers pulled the arm until, Kitanna's body emerged. She was packed in every orrifus with kitty litter and her eyes were rolled back...She was gone..


Dead villagers:
Valier: Tomato grower- Died from a thousand cuts. (Moderator)
Naria- Pediotrist-Was danced upon until she died.(Co-Moderater)
Sleepy Ranger-Mayor-Drowned by village on Day 1 (Werecat)
Nogrod-Ale Maker-Werecats got his tongue night 1 (Ordo)
Wilwarin538-Berry picker-Boiled alive by village on Day2 (Werecat)
Kitanna-Grumpy old woman-stuffed with Kitty litter by Werecat on night 2(Ordo)

Live villagers:
Telperaca-Baker
Diamond18-Barmaid
Roa-Aoife-Folklorist
Garin-Weathered former mercenary
Kath-Ale drinker
Alcarillo-Fisherman
Eonwe-Wayfaring stranger
Farael-Foolofatook
Formendabras Took- Ne'er-do-well
Glirdan-Barman at the local Inn
Mormegil-Shirriff
Thinlomien-Postwoman


I will pm the Birthday dreamer today.

[Diamond18]

Well, two wolves in a row = great. My entire theory about the Cats yesterday = down the tubes.

It would almost be disappointing if the last wolf turns out to be Thinny or Telperaca.

Why Kitanna died seems to be the question right now. Unfortunately I'm at work and have to get off this computer right now, so I'll go, er, polish the bar to healthy sheen.

I'll be back after I get home with something more thought out.

[Kath]

I'm inclined to think the last Cat might be Lommy. It seems that Nogrod may well have been killed for his list, as two Cats were definitely on it, and the third might be. However I would say that perhaps the remaining wolf learnt from the mistake of killing the person that put suspicion onto them and so killed a person that considered them innocent. YesterDay Kitanna looked at Nogrod's list and while she found Telp and wilwa suspicious, she didn't think Lommy was.

It's just a theory, I welcome opinions!

[mormegil]

Kath, Farael, Thinlomien and Diamond are the most suspicious to me at this point wit Roa and Formen as secondary. The vote for Wilwa was so close that I doubt there was a werecat in that group...of course it's not impossible but not likely. Of the group that didn't vote for Wilwa I would think Kath and Diamond the most suspicious. I don't have much time to explain currently, I've had one of the worst RL days in my life, but I hopefully will be able to later.

Telp is more or less a non-factor to me at this point and will die if she doesn't talk today anyway so I'm not concerned.

[Eonwe]

Kath, I wouln't think that way. I would leave anyone who ever pointed their finger at me alone, within reason taht is. I would go for smarts, quites, or experienceds. But that, of course, is just me.

I'm thinking Glirdan. Vote last night. He could rest fairly assured that Garin was up for the chopping block, considering he voted at ... ... 3 minutes to the deadline. However, how much would really be gained by voting wilwa? I guess firstly he had a safe vote. Second vote analysis if he ever got lynched would be a plus, but I'm thinking the real reason was a safe vote. And perhaps a trackrecord, in case Wilwa ever got a substantial number of votes, he could say he had voted consistently. Likewise, just a though, and I appreciate feedback as well.

Telperaca, I'm thinking should be lynched off summerily. Haveing not shown his face all yesterday, and the day before making but paltry excuse for a vote is, in my book, easily enough to warent lynching. That would be Doulbe-Lynched off, I mean.

Other than that, I need to think somemore about.

PS:

Housekeeping: I gotta work, sadly, tommarow morning. If I feel up to it, I may make a post about 7:30ish, but I'm doubting I will. (ooh thats 7:30 EST). Work will keep me until around 4:30 tops. So I wouldn't have much time tomarrow.

It is 7:05 pm my time.

[Diamond18]

Eonwe... I don't think Double Lynches are allowed in this game.

I'm going to review the posts/votes right now... back with something if I come up with anything. Which hopefully I will.

[Farael]

I'm not recovered yet from this week nor I've had time to read properly, but doesn't anyone else find it interesting that the werecat did not choose me and frame Eonwe?

Obviously, Eonwe is a cat

++Eonwe

I might change it tomorrow, but then.... I'll probably not.

[Diamond18]

Am I the only person around or what? Rattling around in this empty village could drive a barmaid to drink.

Anyway, after reading over the Days I'm not too clear on things but I'm suspecting of Thinlomien and Morm. Below are some notes I took, it's not a complete or exhaustive anlysis of the game, it's just my main line of thinking about people who stand out to me for one reason or another. Those not mentioned are currently flying under my radar. I know they're around but I'm going with my gut on who I find most worth looking at. Of course, my gut apparently hasn't been working very good because, to borrow Farael's pun from day 1, I have thus far been Miss Taken in most of my theories.

Anyway:

day 1 -- Farael and Sleepy go back and forth a lot, vote for each other.

day 2 -- Farael goes for Eonwe. Eonwe votes Wilwa, sealing her fate. Eonwe very innocent looking now, makes Farael suspicious. However Sleepy was pretty aggressive toward him day 1, seems more like Cat going after innocent than cat-on-cat smokescreen.

day 1 -- Garin casts first vote for Sleepy.

day 2 -- Garin casts first vote for Wilwa. Garin likely innocent, though he could just be putting the "I" in team.

day 2 -- Glirdan first to point out Nogrod's list and suggests we look closely at those mentioned. Would he do this if he and Wilwa were the remaining Cats? Isn't this kinda risky after Sleepy's already been killed? Plus, Wilwa votes for him. I think Glirdan likely innocent.

days 1 & 2 -- Lommy's posts don't really tell me much. Neither do her votes. But one thing she does say is that she doesn't think Wilwa or Telperaca would be stupid enough to vote for Nogrod, discounts herself because she knows she's innocent. Were Wilwa and Lommy trying the "so stupid it's smart" strategy? Suspicious enough to make me feel okay voting for her.

day 2 -- morm goes after Wilwa a bit. Changes his vote eventually. What to think? He's strongly against taking the rhyme into consideration. For love of the game, or fear beacause his fellow cat Wilwa is on it? Is he going after Wilwa just to prove that he's not protecting her, yet changes his vote because he doesn't really want her to die? Suspicious, maybe worth a vote.

I may be voting pretty soon. I will hardly be around at all tomorrow because I'll be at work all day and never know when I can peek in during work. I may get home before the deadline but don't want to bank on it.

Most likely I will choose Lommy. Partically because I am suspicious of her and partially beause, guilty or innocent, knowing her identity will help lay to rest the rhyme controversy.

X-Posted with Farael.

[mormegil]

Farael why do you vote Eonwe? He and Garin seem the most innocent to me based on their votes. Of course it could be a bluff and a cat-on-cat voting strategy but I really don't think that's the case. So seeing you vote for him makes me highly suspicious of you today.

[Eonwe]

Farael, put some though into your disition. Its day two. Werecats are down a man already. What do I gain by sacraficeing Wilwa? Sure, I come off as looking real good, but that will only get me so far in the days to come. And at waht price: the half of my remaining team. As in half my chances at winning. And for something that can be gained in other ways and will most likely wair out anyway...

I'm off to bed...zzzzzzzzzzzz...

[Glirdan]

This is a shocker!! Out of everyone left toDay, Kitanna was the last person I expected the final Wolf to go for. Yet it was a smart move on his/her behalf as there isn't anything that really links anyone to Kitanna (that I can see as of yet). I must leave now but I will be back in a few hours.

[Diamond18]

Bedtime for this serving wench. I'll try to check in before the deadline but don't count on me being around. My parting vote:

+ + Thinlomien

[Thinlómien]

Two cats dead. That's really great. :)

I think thatWilwa being guilty clearly points to me and Telperaca and the cats being stupid. If you want to lynch either of us, please lynch Telperaca. To put it bluntly, she's useless. No that I'm much better but I participate. Now, I'll leave that weak reasoning... :D Anyway, I do believe in Telperaca's guilty, since I know I'm innocent. I think we should lynch the two of us, just to be sure. But I plead we'll start with Telperaca, so that if she turns out to be a werecat, we don't need to sacrifice an innocent (=me). We're in no hurry since two cats are already dead, so we can "waste" our time to just ensuring Telperaca and me (:rolleyes: ) aren't cats.

Some people speculated that the cats believed Nogrod to be the seer. Why? Because he spotted Sleepy? Try to remember that we started with a Day phase, so that on Day1 the seer hadn't dreamed of anyone, obviously.

[Thinlómien]

++Telperaca

I think we should take her out of the way and just check her, if you get my reasoning from the post above.

[Formendacil]

Just poking my head in ere I turn in for bed (work was from Angband...).

Interesting things are afoot, indeed...

For the moment, I think Thinlómien rather suspicious... but we shall see.

These retractable votes really are strange things...

++ Thinlómien

[Thinlómien]

For the moment, I think Thinlómien rather suspicious... but we shall see. Would you care to elaborate a bit?

[Glirdan]

I have returned to answer and say a few things.

I must say to you Farael that Eonwe is actually looking rather innocent to me. Why? Because of his persistance against me that I am a Wolf. For that reason as well as the fact that he's made posts with substance, I believe him to be innocent. But I also believe that you are probably innocent as well because of your insistance against Eonwe.

Next, I'd like to say that because we found Wilwa as a Wolf and she was part of Nogrod's list, I believe it would be a wise idea for us to either double lynch Lommy and Teleperca or to lynch one toDay and the other tommorrow.

Here are the votes so far:

Eonwe - 1 (Farael)
Lommy - 2 (Diamond, Form)
Teleperca - 1 (Lommy)

I am off for the time being, but I will be checking in regularly.

[Thinlómien]

Next, I'd like to say that because we found Wilwa as a Wolf and she was part of Nogrod's list, I believe it would be a wise idea for us to either double lynch Lommy and Teleperca or to lynch one toDay and the other tommorrow.
I agree with you, but please all villagers remember that we don't have double lynches. Thanks. Anyway, I stick to my idea to lynch Telperaca today. (See a few posts above.)

[Glirdan]

I agree with you, but please all villagers remember that we don't have double lynches. Thanks. Anyway, I stick to my idea to lynch Telperaca today. (See a few posts above.)

*OOC - And that's what you get for just getting up: short term memory loss. :(

Well, in that case, I'm going to have to go back and analyse everything you two have said for the past two days. Be back in a bit with it.

[Thinlómien]

[QUOTE=GlirdanWell, in that case, I'm going to have to go back and analyse everything you two have said for the past two days. Be back in a bit with it.[/QUOTE] Well, basicly, there's nothing to analyse in Telperaca. She has posted only one post, if my memory serves. So you just have to analyse my posts and see if I look guilty or not. However, that is a disadvantage to me (in comparison to Telp) since everything you say in werewolf can be turned against you. :( Í don't like this. I've never liked being a tragic marthyr. I hope you don't make me one.

[Glirdan]

Lommy

Day 1

Post #33 - Tells Form not to start the self-votting thing. Quotes morm and says that she remembers saying something like this in another village. Agrees with Roa that Eonwe is acting suspiciously yet doesn't believe him to be a Wolf. Says Day 1 is useless on Day 1 yet it will come in handy later on and normally does. (I agree with her that Day 1's are useless yet come in handy later on but what on earth is with the "Day 1 is useless on Day 1" thing??)

Post #34 - Votes Nogrod in case she can't get back later.

Post #55 - Comes back and disagrees with Nogrod and Roa about the hints in the death post but says they can come in handy. Asks Nogrod about his interpretations and doesn't like Sleepy's versions either. Says she's going to skin through the posts more carefully and change her vote if need be.

Post #56 - Quotes Farael and asks him if he's serious. Asks what's so suspicious about random vote. (useless post)

Post #58 - Quotes Sleepy and says that she thought he was noting the current trend. Says she'd like to suspect Teleperca for a random vote but doesn't vote him(her?) because he's a newbie. (What I don't like about this is the fact in the post that I stated above, she asks why Farael suspects people who vote randomly. Yet here she goes and wants to suspect someone for a random vote.)

Post #59 - Corrects Farael about the spelling of her name.

Post #63 - Quotes Sleepy and talks about a "previous game" (whatever that is :p ) Quotes Farael and talks about the spelling of their names. (useless post, unless you want to go back over these so called "previous games")

Post #65 - Quotes Garin and says she admires this line Diamond said I was a possible cat. This I don't like because I know I am not . As he is not lying. (Perhaps giving her an idea that she can use later on if she is a Wolf??)

Post #67 - Starts getting uneasy about Form's playing style (and I must agree on this. He has been playing rather odly, yet I'm going to give him the benefit of the doubt as I did the same thing in the past few games.) Thinks him to be Wolfy, then corrects herself by saying Cat-like. (I don't know what to make of that part as she did correct herself...)

Post #69 - Retracts her vote for Nogrod and votes for Form instead.

Post #72 - Quotes Garin and asks him and others to post more substantially. (She's one to talk. Going back through these posts, there haven't been a lot of substantial posts.)

Day 2

Post #140 - Assumes that at least one Wolf voted for Sleepy to save him/herself. (This turned out to be true.) Thinks Farael innocent for his vote placement. Doesn't think Teleperca and Wilwa to be so stupid and attack Nogrod and says the same for herself. (Obviously this might not be true.)

Post #142 - Quotes morm and (rather defensively) tells him she never claimed to be innocent. Quotes morm once more and answers the quetsions that he asked.

Post #144 - Quotes someone and agrees that in a "game of ww" you should never underestimate somebody. (what is this "game" you speak of?? :p )

Post #148 - Roa asks her if she would like to help make an analysis of the Sleepy voters. She responds by saying she could, yet she thinks it would distract us from our main goal. (How will it distract us? It helps everyone out by seeing what has been said by those candidates and helps us to decide whos innocent and who we think is suspicious.) Says she's not suspicious of Wilwa or Garin yet will make an analysis of Kath. (This makes me uneasy because Wilwa turned out to be guilty.)

Post #150 - Says that if Garin does an analysis of Kitanna, she'll do Kath.

Post #151 - Kath analysis.

Post #152 - Finds two people who caughtr her attention, Alcarillo and Glirdan. Says we aren't posting substantially.

Post #153 - Votes Glirdan.

Post #155 - Asks Roa what his(her?) own thoughts on the list he just made.

Well, after that, Lommy is looking pretty guilty to me.

Teleperca

Day 1

Post #41 - Comes and votes Eonwe because he said something about running away.

Well, that was rather useless as it doesn't give us much to go on.

x-posted with Lommy.

Well Lommy, it's not my fault if you tip your hand accidentally.

++Lommy

[Thinlómien]

I ask one favour. If you lynch me today, as you're evidently going to do, lynch Telperaca tomorrow. Since there's just one wolf left I think this matter should be cleared as soon as possible. If you don't want to do this my way (lynch Telperaca first) then don't and I will be a martyr. Maybe I can then sign up to Farael's game. :p

Glirdan, I don't like one thing in your analysis. You completely overlook toDay. Wouldn't you like to analyse it as well and why didn't you do that? And Glirdan I still don't like the fact that your posts consist mostly of analyses. Anyway, this time you added your own comments. Some progress, I see.

Post #58 - Quotes Sleepy and says that she thought he was noting the current trend. Says she'd like to suspect Teleperca for a random vote but doesn't vote him(her?) because he's a newbie. (What I don't like about this is the fact in the post that I stated above, she asks why Farael suspects people who vote randomly. Yet here she goes and wants to suspect someone for a random vote.) I said vague, not random.

And if you want to lynch me or Telperaca why don't you lynch Telperaca because she's proved herself quite useless this far?

[Glirdan]

Glirdan, I don't like one thing in your analysis. You completely overlook toDay. Wouldn't you like to analyse it as well and why didn't you do that? And Glirdan I still don't like the fact that your posts consist mostly of analyses. Anyway, this time you added your own comments. Some progress, I see.

I left out toDay on purpse because there really isn't any use as most of your posts will either be a defense or will be trying to get the suspicion off of yourself. If those come up, I will look at them, like I am now. In the posts before my analysis, I found absolutely nothing that worried me. As for my analyses, as I said yesterDay and in my analysis post, analysing helps me sort out my thoughts and I'm getting others to see my points for having suspicions. So I'm sorry if I'm trying to be a helpful villager in one of the only ways I know how that I am actually good at.

Post #58 - Quotes Sleepy and says that she thought he was noting the current trend. Says she'd like to suspect Teleperca for a random vote but doesn't vote him(her?) because he's a newbie. (What I don't like about this is the fact in the post that I stated above, she asks why Farael suspects people who vote randomly. Yet here she goes and wants to suspect someone for a random vote.)

I said vague, not random.

True, but if you go back to that post, you said that it's like a random thing. Check if you don't believe me.

And if you want to lynch me or Telperaca why don't you lynch Telperaca because she's proved herself quite useless this far

Because if she doesn't post toDay, the Modess will strike her down with her special Modess powers. Not to mention if she was a Wolf, she would actually post because it's dangerous to not post.

[mormegil]

Thinlómien, speaks sense against Telperaca. She is going to die anyway, why risk loosing two innocent villagers today when unless something changed Telperaca will die anyway.

I have come to a rather opposite conclusion of Thinlomien than you Glirdan. I agree she has done some things that look rather suspicious but I don't think she is guilty. Rather I think she is fairly vocal and attempting to be helpful, but happens to choose the wrong path to persue. One thing I like about her is that she doesn't seem to always go with the current trend or the majority. She thinks for herself, and that is more than can be said of some of you.

If we want to talk about those who have been genuinely unhelpful we could include Formendacil in that number.

[mormegil]

++Diamond18

I just got looking back at the voting and nobody has really done a deep analysis of this yet. But I noticed that both of Diamond's vote were done at a time that seem like an attempt to save both wolves. She voted for the other prime candidate during a crucial time. Fortunately we were able to overcome it and kill both cats but this is too much to pass over.

[Diamond18]

Hmmmm... got a quick minute.

I like Thin's idea.

- - Thinlomien

+ + Telperaca

That's all I have time for.

[Glirdan]

Here's a list of yesterday's voting:

Garin (Roa, Kath, Kitanna) - 3
Eonwe (Farael, Morm, Diamond) - 3
Wilwarin (Garin, Alcarillo, Glirdan, Eonwe) - 4
Glirdan (Thinlo, Wilwa) - 2
Alcarillo (Form) - 1

If you notice, Wilwa voted for me. Who's to say that the other person (Lommy) who voted for me isn't a Wolf as well, and this was their way of trying to get rid of another innocent??

But now that I look back on this, it could also count against Eonwe who changed his vote plenty of times yesterDay. He's definetly one worth watching if Lommy and Teleperca end up not being a Wolf.

Another point against Thinlo. By attacking Kitanna last, night, she could be sure that no one could draw anything betweent them as Lommy didn't even mention Kitanna once except for the analysis bit which Garin said he'd do (he couldn't post his results). In short, their was not attachment between the two which made Kitanna the perfect attack for Thinlo.

Thinlómien, speaks sense against Telperaca. She is going to die anyway, why risk loosing two innocent villagers today when unless something changed Telperaca will die anyway(morm)

Because it's a waste of a vote. We've got about, what, six hours left before the Day ends and she hasn't shown up once. I agree that this behaviour is awfully suspicious. However, this could also be another attempt by Lommy to get the suspicion off of her. I say that we lynch Lommy and let the Moddess take care of Teleperca if she doesn't show up. If she does, well...my vote would still be for Lommy because there is much more to go off.

I have come to a rather opposite conclusion of Thinlomien than you Glirdan. I agree she has done some things that look rather suspicious but I don't think she is guilty. Rather I think she is fairly vocal and attempting to be helpful, but happens to choose the wrong path to persue. One thing I like about her is that she doesn't seem to always go with the current trend or the majority. She thinks for herself, and that is more than can be said of some of you.

I agree that she is rather vocal and does make some substance in her posts, yet if you look at her Day 1 posts, there's barely any substance at all. I understand that it was Day 1 and Day 1's are blah, but that doesn't mean you can't post substantially. But we're all entitled to our own opinion so I will not try and change your mind morm.

[mormegil]

If you notice, Wilwa voted for me. Who's to say that the other person (Lommy) who voted for me isn't a Wolf as well, and this was their way of trying to get rid of another innocent??

I think that this itself is a a further indication of her innocence and makes me wonder about you. However I think you are more likely an obstinate innocent. It's not probable that the two cats would vote the same. Rather they would vote a bit differently and one would likely have either

1. Voted to help save their comrade (Diamond sticks out here)
2. Done a complete throw away vote (Formendacil sticks out here)

[mormegil]

Well we could get into an argument about game tactics, but I personally like for votes to count, and don't think it's wolf/cattish to try and influence who gets lynched. *shrug*

So even if you are innocent I don't intend to eat my words... you wouldn't be the first innocent to be suspected by another innocent, so if my strategy seems cattish to others, well, so be it.

Like I said, a vote for Wilwa is pretty useless at the moment.

I just noticed this as well. It appears that Diamond is trying to make it seem like she wanted to vote for Wilwa but actually failed to do so. The voting was close enough and with retractable votes it could have changed. She attempted to add to the distance from Wilwa and Eonwe instead of voting who she actually stated she 'suspects' though I doubt she suspected her at all but is actually a partner in crime and villiany.

[Diamond18]

Morm,

I said a vote for Wilwa would be useless because at that point it would have created a tie. I think actually a three way tie. There was a flurry of activity that changed that . but at the moment of my typing, it was shaping up to be a Eonwe/Garn/Wilwa tie. Also I stated all Day yesterDay that I had no intention to vote for Wilwa/Thin/Telp because of my red herring theory in regards to Nogrod. So saying I was trying to make it sound like I wanted to vote for Wilwa is misrepresentation.

At any rate, if you feel it's in your best interest to lynch me, you must do as you must.

[Eonwe]

Well, I think that we should just leave Telperaca alone, if we can't double-lynch her. She'll just die out anyway, and our problem will be solved. Anyway, don't you think she would be giving it a bit more time, if she was a cat? Not to mention, we are in such great shape. I've never seen cats lynched consecutively on the first and second days. We have plenty of innocents to spare, so I say we lynch away... ;) :p

I agree with Glirdan that Farael is looking fairly good. Though I would have thought he would have given up by now, considering my voteing yesterDay. That cuts down on his innocents...but I'm not ready to vote for him yet. What I mean is, maybe he feels obligated to go after me because that's waht he's been doing. For some reason I think that makes him look bad...

I think we might actaully have a pretty hard time of this one. Look at all the people we have. Form, Acarillo, Morm, Kath, Roa, and Garin are heardly being talked about, as far as I can see, but there is nothing to prove their innocence. Just a thought...

[Kath]

I can understand where Lommy is coming from with the lynching Telp idea. If she doesn't post at all toDay she will be killed, and if we have another candidate for lynching and they turn out to be innocent as well we'll have lost two innocents in one Day. Ok, we have an advantage at the moment, but mistakes are dear.

Even so, it is Telp and Lommy that we need rid of toDay, in order that we have full knowledge of all the people on Nogrod's list. Once we know who or what they are we will either have won as all the Cat's will be gone or we will be able to look past that list.

But Glirdan, just picking up on a point you made about Lommy. I too have to keep checking my posts as I write wolves rather than cats, I don't think that's something you can use to make someone look suspicious. And you pushing so hard for Lommy's death is quite odd in itself.

That's all I have for now. I'll be back later.

[Glirdan]

But Glirdan, just picking up on a point you made about Lommy. I too have to keep checking my posts as I write wolves rather than cats, I don't think that's something you can use to make someone look suspicious. And you pushing so hard for Lommy's death is quite odd in itself.(Kath)

I realise that point I made is rather irrelevant o you can completely disregard that. As for my pushing for Lommy's death, how can you not? The evidence is right in front of you. Look back at Nogrod's analysis of the death ryhme on Day 1. He got two of the three right!! Who's to say he didn't get the last one? The only way we can find out if this is true is to lynch Lommy and let the Moddess take care of Teleperca as she has not returned. That's why I'm pushing this. If we get it right toDay, we can end this insanity. Yes I realise that we are risking two innocent's, but that's what we call a sacrifice. However, I am not completely disregarding everything that's been said about others such as Eonwe and Diamond (and I must say morm, you bring up good points against Diamond).

I think we might actaully have a pretty hard time of this one. Look at all the people we have. Form, Acarillo, Morm, Kath, Roa, and Garin are heardly being talked about, as far as I can see, but there is nothing to prove their innocence. Just a thought...(Eonwe)

I agree that there are some in there who haven't even crossed my mind (Kath, Alcarillo and Roa), yet I'm sure there are some out there who haven't forgotten about them. Form's actually had some suspicion due to his wierd playing strategy. Garin's had some votes and morm...well you can't forget about one of the most vocal (in a good way however) villagers who's got good things to say.

If you would like my suspcions list, I'll give it to you:

Suspicious
Lommy
Teleperca
Form

Probably Innocent
Eonwe
Farael
morm
Glirdan

In Between
Form
Diamond

Not Sure
Kath
Roa
Alcarillo
Garin

For my "suspicions list", I've given reason to support my thoughts as well as the "innocents list". Those "in between", I find suspicious yet they are probably innocent. The four under the "not sure" list, I have nothing really against or for their innocence.

[Formendacil]

Would you care to elaborate a bit?

Actually, no...

:p

But, if you insist, let us blame it on the fact that you have posted a great deal, without saying a lot of substance. You've been very defensive, and have been rather quick to deflect anything and everything away from you that seems potentially incriminating.

Now, mind you, I'm not exactly looking squeaky clean right now... That's okay, though, because I'm not really interested at the moment with looking squeaky clean. If I was a Werewolf, or a Gifted, then it would probably be a good idea, but as a plain old Ordo, I'm not entirely interested. If I die, I die...

An attitude, no doubt, that the proponents of the "losing two ordos at once is a bad thing" theory will no doubt have issues with. However, we are down to one Werewolf in a village that is otherwise on the same team. Call me selfish, but I'm not too concerned at the moment with appearing innocent.

[Glirdan]

Well...It's rather quiet and we're 2 hours and 50 minutes away from the end of the Day... Well... I guess I have to comment on a few things...

But, if you insist, let us blame it on the fact that you have posted a great deal, without saying a lot of substance. You've been very defensive, and have been rather quick to deflect anything and everything away from you that seems potentially incriminating.(Form)

I tend to agree with you Form. However, she has had more substance in her posts then you have. However, what clears you in my eye (somewhat) is this:

If I was a Werewolf, or a Gifted, then it would probably be a good idea, but as a plain old Ordo, I'm not entirely interested. If I die, I die...

However, this could be a ploy to get us to believe that you're innocent, yet I don't think this is the case.

[Eonwe]

I'm going to have to vote and run.

++Glirdan,

because of his vote placement.

[Glirdan]

++Glirdan,

because of his vote placement.

Firstly, which vote would you be talking about?? ToDay's or yesterDay's?? Secondly, I must say (if it's for yesterDay's vote [which I'm sure it is]) This is a rather poor excuse. Yes, my vote was placed at a rather poor spot yet I was thinking for the longest time (until Eonwe voted) that it was up to me to break the tie and I had a rather bad time choosing. However, if you want to talk to me about bad spot for voting, how about looking at you Eonwe?? How many times did you retract your vote?? Also, who ended up retracting, for the final time, after I voted?? So, again, that's a rather poor excuse.

[Alcarillo]

++Telperaca

It's time to put our minds at ease about her.

[mormegil]

Look at what Diamond did after 1 vote for her.

She changed her vote for to Telperaca, the most likely to die today. What does this accomplish. Most likely Telperaca is innocent but an easy kill so it doesn't really leave tracks because it's not seen as overly suspicious a vote. It also makes Telperaca the lead candidate and much more difficult for anybody to catch up to her, including herself. Diamond's voting record really is speaking against her.

[Thinlómien]

Glirdan, would you care to clarify what is the difference of "in between" and "not sure" lists?

Another point against Thinlo. By attacking Kitanna last, night, she could be sure that no one could draw anything betweent them as Lommy didn't even mention Kitanna once except for the analysis bit which Garin said he'd do (he couldn't post his results). In short, their was not attachment between the two which made Kitanna the perfect attack for Thinlo. Hmmm... And I don't care to count or find out, but there surely are lots of other people who had no connections to her either.

True, but if you go back to that post, you said that it's like a random thing. Check if you don't believe me. I checked. What I exactly said was this: I'd like to suspect Telperaca for a very vague vote which is actually quite random (or so I believe), but as she's a newcomer I will be gentle to her, unless she shows real suspiciousness. Apparently I said so. I apologise. Anyway, I meant that her reasoning was so weird and she didn't post anything else. I prefer people saying/admitting that they've cast a random vote rather than giving a reason like "he wants to run away." I admit I was contradictory, but I really didn't think so much...

[Thinlómien]

My main suspects
Telperaca (appearance on Nogrod's list)
Glirdan (I still don't like his analyses. Besides he's over-eager to attack me and sometimes his points are ill-based.)

People I'm inclined to think innocent
Garin
Eonwe
Farael
(Roa and Kath may deserve a place on the list)

[Garin]

I have been busy in RL, sorry about my being so quiet. I am inclined to vote for Diamond to alleviate my lingering suspicions and tend to agree with Mormegil. This might be seen as a throwaway vote but I don't want to vote for someone I haven't viewed as feline.

++Diamond

[Kath]

No, no, no! Stop voting for Telp! It doesn't look like she will turn up again toDay and why waste this chance to find out the identities of both her and Lommy.

Yes that sounds very Catlike and I'm sorry, but if just Telp is lynched then we will spend all Day tomorrow focusing on Lommy. We need to move beyond this and if neither are wolves we really need to.

Voting so far looks like:
Eonwe 1 (Farael)
Lommy 1 (Glirdan)
Telp 3 (Lommy, Diamond, Alcarillo)
Diamond 2 (morm, Garin)
Glirdan 1 (Eonwe)

Now look at how spread out that is. On Day 3! That's insane. Please, those who voted Telp would you look at the logic and change to Lommy. This is risky it's true but (and I can't believe I'm saying this) look at the maths. If wither Telp or Lommy is a Cat we win anyway. If Telp and Lommy are both innocent and they die toDay one other will die toNight bringing it to a total of 3 deaths. If we lynch one toDay and one tomorrow that gives 2 Night's for the Cat to kill innocents, adding up to 4. This is safer for us.