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Diamond18
10-17-2006, 01:35 AM
Roles:

Four (4) Lover teams:

Werewolf / Werewolf's Lover

Werebear / Werebear's Lover

Werecat / Werecat's Lover

Werebird / Werebird's Lover <-- Lovebirds, tee hee

One (1) Ranger

One (1) Watcher

At least ten (10) Ordinary Villagers

The Lovers are composed of one werecreature and one lover. They are allowed to PM each other at Night and get one (1) kill per night. Each team operates independently of the others and does not know the identities of the other Lovers. It is possible for one team to kill a member of another team. When one member of a team dies, the other dies as well, in traditional Lover fashion.

The ordo lovers comes up as innocent to the Watcher.

The Watcher is a combination of a Ranger and a Seer. Each night the Watcher is granted one (1) dream and one (1) protection. The Watcher may dream first. The Watcher may not protect the same person two nights in a row, but they may protect the same person on non-consecutive nights. The Watcher does not know the identity of the Ranger and may not PM the Ranger at any time.

The Ranger may not dream, but is allowed one (1) protection each night. The Ranger may not protect the same person two nights in a row, but they may protect the same person on non-consecutive nights. The Ranger does not know the identity of the Watcher and may not PM the Watcher at any time.

The Goal for each Lover team is to be the last team standing. The last team standing beats the other teams even if they are defeated by the Innocent Villagers in the end. But if they can manage to be the last two players alive, they win the overall game as well. They win if they can reduce the number of innocent Villagers to two (2). In this case, and this case only, the Ordo Lover counts as a werecreature.

The Villagers' goal is to kill every last Werecreature/Lover.

Ideally, I would like a minimum of 20 players for this game. There will be 8 werecreature/lovers and 2 innocent gifteds, and with less than 20 players that would leave less than half the village as ordos.

The game will start as soon as I can get 20 players, though I would welcome more if that were at all possible.

If I am not able to get enough players, I have two options:

Relinquish the next game to someone else with smaller plans, or myself run a smaller game. I have a character called the Basilisk in mind for a non-Lovers game (the Basilisk is a character which, if dreamt of at night, results in the Seer's immediate death). So I wouldn't be opposed to running that smaller game.

You can sign up here, or ask questions about the roles/gameplay for this game, etc. I would hope to start in a week or so, though if getting enough players requires a slightly longer wait, it's all the same to me, as long as others don't mind.

Thinlómien
10-17-2006, 02:29 AM
I love it that you actually took the reins to your hands and decided to mod the next game.

Sounds interesting, yet chaotic. Count me in.

Macalaure
10-17-2006, 02:39 AM
I planned to take a rest from werewolfing now, but Ah! this sounds waay to much fun to let it pass.

Count me in. :)

Kath
10-17-2006, 03:39 AM
I swore I'd never play in a Lovers game again (I tend to get betrayed :rolleyes: ) but this just looks so interesting I can't resist.

Sign me up!

Thinlómien
10-17-2006, 04:27 AM
A question for you, Di: Will you be having homosexual lovers? Or will you reduce participants so that half are female and half are male? Or will you just say it doesn't matter if the start is unequal?

Diamond18
10-17-2006, 05:15 AM
Yay! Players!

As of right now it's my plan to have male/female parings... from the discussion before Cailín's game it seems that the majority would rather not having same sex lovers. And I need all the players I can get. :) I don't think it'll matter if I don't get an exactly even half/half ratio... however if there's a heavy shift one way or the other, same sex pairs may be required out of sheer necessity.

Oh, and the deadline will be 9 PM or 7 AM, depending on my what my schedule is by the time the game starts.

Edit: that's my time. The timestamp on this post is 6:15 AM.

Another edit...

(I tend to get betrayed :rolleyes: )

Ah, but in this game, the were and lover have no one but each other, so not much room for betrayal. It's going to be so romantic. ;)

Kitanna
10-17-2006, 09:01 AM
Sounds interesting, count me in Diamond.

Anguirel
10-17-2006, 09:04 AM
I can't play because of timing; I'm not free for this kind of shenanigan till the 28th. But I am thoroughly irritated to miss this and I wish you, Audrey, the best of luck...

JennyHallu
10-17-2006, 09:21 AM
I'll play!

Nogrod
10-18-2006, 06:52 AM
I'll be playing too. Looks nicely twisted and complicated... :)

Great!

Valier
10-18-2006, 08:18 AM
I may be interested in playing, but it all depends on the start day and time....any ideas about those yet? :D

Meneltarmacil
10-18-2006, 08:25 AM
I wasn't too sure about this, but since Halloween is coming up soon, I just have to go for another round of Werewolf.

I'm signing up, and my role will be Mad Scientist.

Holbytlass
10-18-2006, 11:14 AM
I'm in.

Durelin
10-18-2006, 11:45 AM
Well, that's enough to give one a headache...count me in!

arcticstorm
10-18-2006, 11:46 AM
This sounds interesting, and I think it is time to get back into wherewolf. I'm in

mormegil
10-18-2006, 12:52 PM
Count me in as tentative though I'm not sure the villagers have much of a chance.

Durelin
10-18-2006, 01:22 PM
At least none of the baddies will be wanting to work together. Still, I think morm definitely has a point. I was thinking that perhaps you should allow the Ranger and Watcher to know each other's indentities, though? Perhaps? Never seems to help all that much, anyway. :p

Either way, though, I'm still up for it.

JennyHallu
10-18-2006, 01:26 PM
wait...there are four kills a night, right? And two protections... And all the kills are blind...if any of those kills grab a lover, that's one team out altogether. Depending on how it went the first night could be a bloodbath that leaves the villagers to win.I don't think it looks that unbalanced. The watcher seems a great way to balance things out.

Diamond18
10-18-2006, 05:00 PM
Ang, if the game weren't to start till the 28th, would you be in? I hope to start before then, and so far sign up's been good, but on the off chance that it takes that long, I'm putting you down as a maybe. For now. Because what's a Lovers game without bursts of Byronic poetry?

Lommy -
Mac -
Kath -
Kitanna -
¿Ang? -
Jenny -
Nogrod -
¿Valier? -
Menel - Mad Scientist
Holby -
Durelin -
arcticstorm -
¿morm? -

A note about roles, I'm thinking of having the setting be a secret Elven enclave in Far Harad. Yeah, canon it is not. :p So, that may effect your role-choosing.

I may be interested in playing, but it all depends on the start day and time....any ideas about those yet?

As soon as I have 20 players I want to deal out roles and start the game. If having enough players means waiting till a certain date, that'll be the date.

Nogrod
10-18-2006, 05:52 PM
A note about roles, I'm thinking of having the setting be a secret Elven enclave in Far Harad. Yeah, canon it is not. :p So, that may effect your role-choosing.If it's a secret thing, could I be a smith of the Billmarins?

JennyHallu
10-18-2006, 06:35 PM
I am a Count. OK, Countess. I count things. Stars, grains of sand, vegetables on my plate, villagers, bats, sheep, punctuation marks, whatever I feel inclined to count.

There are, by the way, 15 punctuation marks in this post.

Lhunardawen
10-19-2006, 03:10 AM
Can't resist romance... (and Kath being betrayed again :p)

Please let me think about it, and put me down as a maybe. What a way to re-enter the Werewolf history books.

Thinlómien
10-19-2006, 08:28 AM
Put my occupatin down as the ostrich-chaser.

If the watcher and the ranger are allowed to co-operate they form yet one other "pair" that will protect each other, and thus might be mixed up to be a lover pair. It will cause a chaos, in good and bad... :D

Rune Son of Bjarne
10-19-2006, 12:01 PM
Damn you Lhuna!

Sign me up, I cannot live with my self if I do not participate and Lhuna does. . . .
The consept is complicated, but looks as it will be great fun.

Naria
10-19-2006, 12:09 PM
Sign me up too Di!! I'll try my hand at another Lover's game, why not :D

Kath
10-19-2006, 01:18 PM
Lhuna's in! Lhuna's in!

*bounces with joy*

I knew you couldn't resist forever. :D

Valier
10-19-2006, 03:47 PM
I'm crossing my fingers that you don't start the game Diamond till Monday...I am going to be away till then. If you start on Monday or later I am definately in, and if I might add I like the 9pm time ;) I shall be an Arranger (kinda like a feng-shui ist) I like things in their place. :D

Farael
10-19-2006, 10:44 PM
Can't resist romance... (and Kath being betrayed again :p)

Please let me think about it, and put me down as a maybe. What a way to re-enter the Werewolf history books.
Lhunadarwen, my dear... I'm very dissapointed. What's all this talk of joining a werewolf game, mind you a LOVERS werewolf game without me?

Diamond, if you are ok with the fact that I may not get a high QUANTITY of posts (but I guarantee the best QUALITY, in my own way which may be a little particular... see my battle with Aiwendil on some WW game long ago. ) I'm in. If you are looking for quantity of posts, I'll wait for another opportunity.

But I really want in.

Diamond18
10-19-2006, 11:23 PM
I'd be happy to have you, Farael. :)

Updated players list:

Lommy - Ostrich Chaser
Mac -
Kath - Flower Girl
Kitanna -
Jenny - Countess
Nogrod - a Smith of the Billmarins
Valier - Arranger
Menel - Mad Scientist
Holby -
Durelin -
arcticstorm -
¿morm? -
Lhuna - Beautiful Girl with Sleeping Sickness
Rune -
Naria -
Farael - Patient suffering from Mad Elf Disease
Rikae -

I took the question marks away from you, Valier. We won't be starting before Monday.

Lhunardawen
10-20-2006, 12:06 AM
Remind me never to say "maybe," because people do not recognise it, and in the end I myself cease to recognise it.

Sigh, fine. I'm in. Does this mean I have to read the rules for this game? Woik woik woik. :p

EDIT: So as not to double-post...I'll add that I prefer the 7 AM time, and would like to be the African trypanosomiasis victim aka girl with sleeping sickness aka sleeping *ehem* beauty (if you will).

Kath
10-20-2006, 05:30 AM
Eep Di could I make a further request and say don't start til Tuesday? Or if you do start before don't lynch me for not being there!

As to times I think 7am is a little better than the other so I'll go for that one, and as for roles I would like to be a flower girl. I'm liking flowers today.

Oh, Lhuna, we saw the maybe, we just ignored it. :p

JennyHallu
10-20-2006, 05:55 AM
I would vastly prefer 9 PM.


But 7 AM would work, I suppose. I would only have half an hour to read posts and vote, if I wanted to be anywhere near the deadline, but that's workable.

Can we have one retraction, Di?

Diamond18
10-20-2006, 06:00 AM
African trypanosomiasis (http://www.who.int/tdr/diseases/tryp/diseaseinfo.htm) sounds very unpleasant. I'll put you down as the beautiful girl with the sleeping sickness. :D

Noggie, uh, I have no idea what your role means. Google doesn't either. Not that I mind, of course, except that I do because now it's driving me crazy. :p

Tuesday's fine.

I'll consider one retraction, though I do think that kind of slides the power vote towards those who are able to be around at the actual deadline. I'll think about it.

Rikae
10-20-2006, 06:08 AM
Sign me up!

Nogrod
10-20-2006, 03:24 PM
Noggie, uh, I have no idea what your role means. Google doesn't either. Not that I mind, of course, except that I do because now it's driving me crazy. :p Me neither, but it sure isn't the Silmarils... Maybe some cheap stuff they sell to the tourists? ;)

Tuesday's fine.And if we begin with the Night phase, the Night might begin on Monday already?

I'll consider one retraction, though I do think that kind of slides the power vote towards those who are able to be around at the actual deadline. I'll think about itPlease do. I have found one retraction extremely helpful when there is a f.ex. a nasty deadline (like very-very early in the morning), it's then much safer to cast a vote when going to sleep and then if being able to get up early enough, reconsider it, but if not, then having voted anyway.

7AM would be nicer than 9PM as the latter is 5AM here...

Farael
10-20-2006, 05:24 PM
EDIT:...would like to be the African trypanosomiasis victim aka girl with sleeping sickness aka sleeping *ehem* beauty (if you will).
Well, since I'm also a bio student (well, technically I'm a biochem student, but I like my bio more than my chem) I can't let you win with the technical names... Since, I believe, Diamond has decided we should be elves I'll be a patient with Elven Spongyform Encelphalopaty also called Mad Elf Disease... it even has a nice acronym! MEDESE (Mad Elf Disease- Elven Spongyform Encephalopaty).

Warning for my fellow players
Tuesdays as a whole will be usually a bad day for posting for me. I have a very VERY busy day every tuesday. This specific Tuesday is the day before my Biochem midterm. I SHOULD be able to get a couple posts in... and it's day 1 anyway, I don't usually post a lot on day 1's... just thought I'd let you bunch know.

And about the deadlines.... 7 AM would NOT work for me at all.. it'd mean that on weekdays I'd be casting my vote seven or eight hours before the deadline. Having said that, if most of the other players would rather have that deadline I'll take my chances and perhaps try to wake up earlyer than usual a couple times. (let's face it... WW is THAT addictive)

Meneltarmacil
10-20-2006, 07:22 PM
Apparently, my skills as a Mad Scientist will be needed to cure all you people... :p

Rune Son of Bjarne
10-20-2006, 08:05 PM
Can I be a guy who has dedicated his life to growing a humongous fungus ?

Diamond18
10-20-2006, 08:13 PM
If you can reduce it to something short and pithy.

JennyHallu
10-20-2006, 10:10 PM
I sure hope he can come up with something. He sounds like a real fun guy.

Naria
10-21-2006, 12:06 AM
Hehe that's terrible Jenny :D

Oh and Di, I'll be a Lemba baker....even if someone wants me to, I won't bake anything else just Lembas ;)

Rune Son of Bjarne
10-21-2006, 05:08 AM
hmmm

Fungus Lover ?

but I guess that is not pithy

Macalaure
10-21-2006, 05:17 AM
I'll be a builder of gibbets, unemployed for millennia

Lhunardawen
10-22-2006, 02:35 AM
African trypanosomiasis sounds very unpleasant. I'll put you down as the beautiful girl with the sleeping sickness. :D
That's why I placed the other name in bold instead of that one. :D


Well, since I'm also a bio student (well, technically I'm a biochem student, but I like my bio more than my chem) I can't let you win with the technical names... Since, I believe, Diamond has decided we should be elves I'll be a patient with Elven Spongyform Encelphalopaty also called Mad Elf Disease... it even has a nice acronym! MEDESE (Mad Elf Disease- Elven Spongyform Encephalopaty).
Hmph. Copycat.


Apparently, my skills as a Mad Scientist will be needed to cure all you people... :p
Be nice, doc.


I'll be very happy if this starts on Tuesday (that being a Night phase) since I won't be around on Monday.

Diamond18
10-22-2006, 06:21 AM
I'll be happy if this starts on Tuesday, as I do not yet have enough players. :p

JennyHallu
10-22-2006, 05:36 PM
I am SO thrilled someone got my little joke. Thank you Naria.

Rune Son of Bjarne
10-22-2006, 05:40 PM
I don't mind people making fun of me or teasing me, but I really dislike the feeling of not knowing what people are talking about. . .So could you please fill me in on the joke, otherwise it is going to haunt me for a long time.

Meneltarmacil
10-22-2006, 08:12 PM
Actually, I may have something coming up around November 3rd, so I'm not sure I'll be able to participate. I'll fill you in when I get some more information.

Valier
10-22-2006, 10:20 PM
Diamond could you posted an updated player list? Pretty please....with a cherry on top. :D

Diamond18
10-23-2006, 01:03 AM
Rune, "fun guy" was a pun for "fungi".

Lommy - Ostrich Chaser
Mac - Builder of Gibbets, unemployed for millennia
Kath - Flower Girl
Kitanna -
Jenny - Countess
Nogrod - a Smith of the Billmarins
Valier - Arranger
Menel - Mad Scientist
Holby -
Durelin - Lead Tragic Actor
arcticstorm -
morm -
Lhuna - Beautiful Girl with Sleeping Sickness
Rune - Humungous Fungus Grower
Naria - Lemba Baker
Farael - Patient suffering from Mad Elf Disease
Rikae -
Fintaeph -

Rune Son of Bjarne
10-23-2006, 04:42 AM
Thanks Di and Naria for explaining the joke to me, I would never have figured it out on my own. . . (I hate when I don't know what is going on)

Nogrod
10-23-2006, 07:51 AM
I'll be happy if this starts on Tuesday, as I do not yet have enough players. :pWould we have enough players for just three lover pairs -game? Or would that somehow lose the point in the game you have planned?

Macalaure
10-23-2006, 08:48 AM
It seems it's either that, a miracle, or waiting til the weekend and hope Ang and/or Volo sign up.

I'm looking forward to a situation where two or more lover-pairs are still alive and there's only one innocent left... and then the lovers all kill each other at night and the village wins! :D

Diamond18
10-23-2006, 09:06 AM
I know that both Ang and Volo want to play, but are unavailable. For Ang it's the 28th and Volo the 30th, I believe.

I suppose reducing the Lovers to three pair would work... I'd like to not have to to do that, though. Just as a personal preference. It's frustrating to get almost the amount of players I need and then get hung up on those last two or three spots.

Lhunardawen
10-24-2006, 02:42 AM
Eep. How stupid of me. Forget what I said about the Tuesday thing. I'm perfectly fine with starting late to wait for the number of players we need. And, haha, what's a Lovers game without Anguirel?

Kath
10-24-2006, 01:08 PM
Hey Rune, you could be the Humungous Fungus Grower! That has a nice ring to it.

Rune Son of Bjarne
10-24-2006, 04:40 PM
I will go with that. . . mostly because I trust Kath's judgment more than my own.

Fintaeph
10-24-2006, 09:18 PM
I'm in. But then you already knew that.

Diamond18
10-24-2006, 09:35 PM
I'm in. But then you already knew that.

http://us.i1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/mesg/emoticons7/19.gif

...Anyway, we have 18 players, counting Menel and Morm who are "maybes." So, the game could start "any day now" if two more players sign up. Otherwise, I would say we're looking at waiting till next Tuesday, possibly. This is only if M&M play.

Is everyone who is currently signed up still able to play even if the game starts next week? And Menel and Morm, if the game were to start, say, tomorrow, would you be able to commit to playing?

Also, anyone without a role by the time the show gets up and chugging, will be given one by me.

mormegil
10-24-2006, 09:48 PM
Count me in but due to current life situations I will be a bit less vocal than normal. I've said that before and it never happens but we'll see :rolleyes: :D

Valier
10-24-2006, 11:54 PM
I'm still in even if it is later, but my hope is that it is sooner rather than later. ;) :)

Holbytlass
10-25-2006, 01:28 PM
Ooh, goody Morm's playing.

Any date works for me. Heh-heh, I'm all for Diamond giving me my occupation-I love to live dangerously :p :D .

JennyHallu
10-25-2006, 01:38 PM
I'm still in...but I probably won' be around the 28th or 29th, or much on the 27th depending. My mother-in-law is visiting.

Durelin
10-25-2006, 07:56 PM
My 'role' shall be the...oh, what the Mordor - Lead Tragic Actor. :D

Meneltarmacil
10-25-2006, 08:03 PM
Count me in for the moment. Just be advised that I probably won't post at all on November 4th.

Diamond18
10-27-2006, 08:22 AM
Important Announcement:

Game will start Saturday night at 9:30. It will start with a Day but roles will go out a few hours earlier to give the Lovers a chance for preliminary strategizing. If Ang shows up before Saturday morning around 7 AM (which is when the roles will be going out) then he's in. I tried PMing him but his box is full. If he doesn't show up, I'm going ahead with 18 players and 4 teams. We'll see how it works.

I'm going to be dodgy and say that while I know it's an "issue" and I don't want to discuss it, I will not promise either way what the gender combinations of Lovers paired up will or will not be. I will promise not to pair up those who would object to be paired with the same. (And, I know most of you pretty well, so I'm not polling). This isn't to say I AM going to pair those of the same gender. But if you're looking for an official stance either way, ha ha ha ha! You should know by now that I like to challenge my players. :p

No retractions.

Watcher and Ranger don't know each other.

Timestamp on this post is 9:22 AM October 27

I think that's all.

Kitanna
10-27-2006, 08:35 AM
I might be gone for a good part of Day One, but it all depends on how much my band director loves us. I don't think there is going to be a problem, but I can't be 100% sure.

Lhunardawen
10-28-2006, 12:38 AM
The game starts on Sunday morning for me, so the game will have begun before I get to read my role. There should be no problem, but just so you know. :)

Rune Son of Bjarne
10-28-2006, 05:09 AM
I will probably be around when I get my role, but just have gone to bed when the actual game starts. . .

Unless I keep having problems falling asleep.

Diamond18
10-28-2006, 08:09 AM
Alrighty, fair people of yon village, the Roles have been PM'ed.

If you didn't get a PM, you are an Ordo. Do not post here asking why you didn't get a PM or I will be mightily unpleased and will have to reassign all the roles.

And remember to turn yourself Invisible!

A few last minute things... there will be no mod fire from heaven. If someone isn't posting or voting, you guys have to take care of them. If you have other questions about the roles/rules I'd prefer you PM me, as asking certain questions could give away hints about your own role.

Here's the player list, those without character roles have 12 more hours to choose or I will be assigning. (Holby, note I have given you yours already)

Lommy - Ostrich Chaser
Mac - Builder of Gibbets, unemployed for millennia
Kath - Flower Girl
Kitanna -
Jenny - Countess
Nogrod - a Smith of the Billmarins
Valier - Arranger
Menel - Mad Scientist
Holby - Oliphaunt Whisperer
Durelin - Lead Tragic Actor
arcticstorm -
morm - City Street Cleaner
Lhuna - Beautiful Girl with Sleeping Sickness
Rune - Humungous Fungus Grower
Naria - Lemba Baker
Farael - Patient suffering from Mad Elf Disease
Rikae -
Fintaeph -

mormegil
10-28-2006, 11:10 AM
City street cleaner.

Meneltarmacil
10-28-2006, 11:43 AM
I must say, we have a number of rather strange occupations in this village.

Fintaeph
10-28-2006, 05:58 PM
So, I must choose an occupation, it seems. The village does seem short on food supply, so I will fill in the niche and be a Mutton-Herder. However, in my spare time, I am also an aspiring (read: not very successful) Purveyor of Fine-Quality Undead Prosthetic Limbs. So get out there and lose some limbs, people, I need customers!

Diamond18
10-28-2006, 08:48 PM
Game thread (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showthread.php?t=13362) is up.

the guy who be short is my co-mod for the game, he knows all the roles. If my PM box should get full, you can send kills/dreams/protection choices to him. He's mainly there as backup just in case, so don't bother him too much. :p

Volo
10-29-2006, 02:53 PM
Sad to be one day late, rude word. Now I do have time to do other stuff then, but still, being discouraged by the Voice in My Head from playing WW, it might have been good to play again, or at the very least, try. :rolleyes:

So far great text, Diamond!

Diamond18
10-29-2006, 10:12 PM
Thank you. :) And I'm sorry you missed it by one day, I had thought you weren't getting back till Tuesday otherwise I would have waited. :(

A note:

The one rule I forgot. :rolleyes: In the event of a tie, first to gather the majority dies. No double lynchings.

Kath
10-30-2006, 05:36 AM
Argh! I'm so sorry, I saw that the game thread was up, read the first post, and then simply assumed we were starting with a Night phase. Getting brain in gear now. :rolleyes:

Farael
10-30-2006, 10:20 AM
NOTICE: If I'm still alive by Tuesday, I'll have to vote very early.... around noon or so. Just thought i'd let you know.

Thinlómien
11-01-2006, 05:14 AM
To inform you: I'm returning from Noggie's place to my home (my mother's place) today, and as quite many of the regular werewolfers know by now I don't have a net access there. (But I'm trying to do something to it.)

So, it means earlier votes for me, and this time, very early. The deadline happens to be around 5 am for me, so if I'm mainly posting during schooldays and after school, that will make my votes about 12 hours before the deadline. :eek: (I'll try to get online on Saturday evening before the libraries close their doors, but it will still be 7 hours before the deadline at the best...)

Holbytlass
11-03-2006, 07:33 AM
About the edit button...
When one submits a reply and then immediately hits the edit button (for whatever reason), it doesn't register therefore there is no edit time, date at the bottom. I don't know the exact number of seconds that it does that.
Just to clarify, because I'm a dorkfish :p :D .

Macalaure
11-03-2006, 11:28 AM
I think it doesn't register if you manage to edit it within the same minute you posted.

Anyway, I will probably be quite short on time tomorrow and have to vote pretty early (5 gmt).

Kath
11-03-2006, 12:56 PM
Holby and Mac are right, you tend to have about a minute's grace before the little edit bit turns up.

Farael
11-04-2006, 10:57 AM
I guess that my argument that there was no "edit" little label after my post does not count, but I STILL am not a cheater.

Having said that, I'm afraid that today of all days will be very hard for me to post... I'll try to keep up with the reading and get a vote in though I don't know when.