Tol-in-Gaurhoth XXV: All Star Crossed With Nowhere to Go

[Diamond18]

Once upon a time in an age gone by, there was a small band of Elves who traveled to the far east of Middle-earth, all the way to Far Harad. What drove them to such a place is a point of fact lost in the sands of time, not to mention the sands of the desert, but surely they had their reasons. They set up a secret enclave in the heart of the desert, far from any Haradrim, and with the aide of the long forgotten Mood Ring of Power turned their home into an oasis. Palm trees and soft grasses are said to have leapt from the sand dunes at the command of the Ringbearer, and a crystalline spring bubbled up from the ground, as springs generally do, rather than bursting forth from thin air.

The Elves lived in their sunny paradise for many years, eating cocoanuts and mangos. I am not entirely sure that cocoanuts and mangoes should be growing in Far Harad, but if they used the Ring they could, in theory, be growing anything they wanted. Such as butternut squash.

Whatever became of the Elves of Far Harad? No one is sure. Many believe it to be a just a tale told by the Haradrim, a legend. Some say that deep in the heart of the most brutal deserts, where no man can survive the arduous journey, the Elves still live in their oasis. Others say that great tragedy befell the the Elves and their oasis was swallowed into the desert never to be seen or heard from again. Still others with throw rotting squash at you if you even so much as mention the word Elves.

The following is a tale of the Elves of Far Harad. Truth? Or Bolliwockus? Do we care?

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One night in the dead of winter, a cold wind blew over the sand dunes on the outskirts of the Elven Oasis. It carried with it all the usual imports of impending doom. No one, it seemed, was out and about that night. Not even a mouse. But then, a lone figure came creeping out of the lush foliage of the Oasis and made its way to a barren rock several yards away. On the ancient stone, upon which the Ringbearer had stood and summoned forth the Oasis, were carved many runes of great importance. Alongside these were carved the runes: Diamond + Jay 4 Evah!

The figure, a young elven maiden by the named of Diamond (for it was said her eyes shone like jewels and all that rot) crouched by the stone and waited. For a long time. She began to grow bored and restless, and was thinking about going home when a hushed noise made her snap to attention. From the shadows came the sound of heavy breathing, and licking of chops, and she was mightily afraid. She peered into the darkness, and saw:

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Screaming, she leapt up and ran. The giant cat leapt after her, but succeeded only in ripping the shawl from her lily-white elven shoulders. Diamond ran screaming back to the Oasis, and the Werecat ripped her shawl to shreds and left it lying upon the stone in tatters.

A moment later, a second humanoid figure came rushing from the Oasis. He was rather short, for an Elf, but he brandished a very long Elven sword. The Werecat, seeing said sword, wibbled a little, then bounded off into the darkness. Jay, for it was indeed the owner of the second name carved into the stone between the little girly hearts, was about to run after the Werecat, but then he noticed the shawl. He stopped and looked upon the torn fabric in horror.

He burst into spontaneous verse:

"But stay, O spite!
But mark, poor knight,
What dreadful dole is here!
Eyes, do you see?
How can it be?
O dainty duck! O dear!
Thy mantle good,
What, stain'd with blood!
Approach, ye Furies fell!
O Fates, come, come,
Cut thread and thrum;
Quail, crush, conclude, and quell!"

The gist being that he, seeing the mangled shawl, assumed his lover to be equally mangled and gave up all hope for life. He continued:

"O wherefore, Evil, didst thou Werecats frame?
Since Werecat vile hath here deflower'd my dear:
Which is--no, no--which was the fairest dame
That lived, that loved, that liked, that look'd
with cheer."

The gist being that Werecats suck and Diamond was a really great gal before she bit it.

Jay then lifted his sword and held it to his chest, weeping tears of utmost sorrow. With one final gust of poetry he declared:

"Thus die I, thus, thus, thus.
Now am I dead,
Now am I fled;
My soul is in the sky:
Tongue, lose thy light;
Moon take thy flight:
Now die, die, die, die, die!"

With each repetition of the words "thus" and "die" he stabbed himself in the chest. It takes quite the tragic Elven hero to stab himself in the chest eight times and still have breath enough to narrate his own actions. But then, you can see why Diamond held him in such high esteem.

Our Hero fell to his knees, oozing copiously, blood gurgling from both chest and mouth. He gasped out one last word... "Di....!" Was he uttering the name of his love? Or just saying "die" again? Who can say?

Meanwhile, back in the Oasis, Diamond was collecting her wits about her. She feared going back out into the foreboding desert, but feared also that her love might come to their rendezvous point and get et while waiting for her. So she gathered up her courage, to go with her wits, and set off once more.

When she came to the rock, she found Jay lying facedown in the sand. Naturally, she assumed him to be sleeping, and said as much: "Asleep, my love?"

When he didn't lift his head from the sand to answer her remarkably stupid question, she gave him a little nudge with her foot. Belatedly, she noticed his bloodied sword lying nearby, and gasped. She turned the body over and gasped a second time upon viewing the multiple stab wounds. "What, dead, my love?" she squeaked.

From there she was about to launch into a soliloquy that would rival Jay's death chant, when she heard a fluttering of wings from above. She looked up and saw:

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Screaming, she leapt up and ran. Unfortunately for her, she ran straight into the embrace of a:

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The giant bear crushed her in its crushing embrace, crushingly. Diamond died with a scream on her lips and blood projecting from her mouth to strike the bear splat on the chest. The bear was about to tear into its kill with ferocious ferocity when it looked up and saw:

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The bear roared angrily and dropped the compacted Elven maiden to the ground. The Werewolf stalked toward the Werebear, menacing, its hackles raised. Then they clashed in epic fashion, and fought late into the night over the kill. While they did this, the Werebird inconspicuously picked Jay's bones clean.

Finally, sunrise came, and the wolf and bear were forced to give up their fight. They both retreated to their lairs, regretfully leaving Diamond, now stiff with rigor-mortis and rather unappetizing all things considered, rotting in the hot desert sun. The Werebird fluttered away, burping. Jay's bones gleamed whitely in the sun.

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The bodies were soon found, and the Elves wondered in horror what could possibly have happened. Luckily, Viggo Mortensen was riding by and stopped long enough to read the signs and tell them exactly what had happened, with quotes and everything. He also pointed out some important runes on the Ringbearer's Stone, which read:

I love my little teddy bear!

and

Wolfy and me oxoxoxox!

and

I know why the Werebird sings

and lastly

Werecats rule!

"But what does it mean?" they wondered.

"It means that the evil creatures have groupies, or lovers, if you will," he informed them in a barely understandable mumble. "If you'll excuse me, I have to go hallucinate now."

They watched him ride off into the sunrise on Hidalgo, then turned to each other, wondering what to do.

[Diamond18]

The Living Elves:

Lommy - Ostrich Chaser
Mac - Builder of Gibbets, unemployed for millennia
Kath - Flower Girl
Kitanna - One Legged Chambermaid
JennyHallu - Countess
Nogrod - a Smith of the Billmarins
Valier - Arranger
Menel - Mad Scientist
Holby - Oliphaunt Whisperer
Durelin - Lead Tragic Actor
arcticstorm - Raving Alcoholic and Resident Moocher
morm - City Street Cleaner
Lhuna - Beautiful Girl with Sleeping Sickness
Rune - Humungous Fungus Grower
Naria - Lemba Baker
Farael - Patient suffering from Mad Elf Disease
Rikae - Contortionist
Fintaeph - Mutton Herder and Purveyor of Fine-Quality Undead Prosthetic Limbs

The Dead 'Uns

tgwbs - Tragic Elven Hero and Lover of Diamond - (co-mod) - Stabbed himself eight times and subsequently eaten by the Werebird

Diamond - Elven Maid - (mod) - Crushed in the embrace of the Werebear

Day One starts now. Lovers, please stop PMing.

[Meneltarmacil]

It's alive! IT'S ALIIIIIIIVE!

...

Oh, you weren't supposed to see that. Pay no attantion to that hulking figure on the operating table with the bolts sticking out of his neck and all, heh heh.

Anyway, this was quite a tragic occurence, yes indeed. Hmm, but perhaps our little dilemma can be solved by logical reasoning yet. Problem is, we're not going to have much to go on in terms of finding connections with the werecreatures. Connections between one werecreature and one Ordo, certainly, but we've got four teams against us not one.The Seer seems our best chance now.

Anyhow, please don't try to link my rather oddd experiments with animals to these things. Seriously, I'm not trying to make monsters here.

HULKING FIGURE ON TABLE: Uuuuuurrrrggghh...

On second thought...

[mormegil]

Okay so who's the moron that signed up for street cleaner in a desert?

Menel, your guilt is a obvious as the talons marks on your back you little bird lover!

[Fintaeph]

That's okay, mormegil, I thought to try raising sheep in the desert. #-o

Hmm, maybe they are sandsheep. Oh, I know, mutton jerky! It will be all the rage. Look out, Naria, lembas is on the way out!

Okay, I'll go away now.

[arcticstorm]

Can anyone give me some money? These events are too depressing, I need a drink. Besides, I cannot think clearly in this state of sobrietry. How am I supposed to make any wise decisions without something strong to drink. What? No one will give me any money? I guess I will just go home and go to my still.

[Thinlómien]

A tragedy. Two of our little settler community dead and there are surely more victims to come.

Now, to business: I see both our victory and ruin for looking for "pairs". Victory, because surely the werecreatures and their lovers will be defending each others, beacuse otherwise they'll die and lose their chance to win. Ruin, because I fear the whole game might turn to a state where no one dares to speak about who's most probably innocent/ speak out their mind in defense of people who they think innocent, especially if the person is of the another gender. And that won't work either. It will just create paranoia and most probably help the lovers, since they have no need to tell us who they trust because no one other is doing that either.

This game will be an interesting (and a scary) one, because the village is totally in control of six powers (the four lover pairs, the watcher and the ranger). Half of the village controls the fates of the other half (and of each other's.) Actually there's more people with a special role than those without one. That is not a comforting thought. At night, we can lose up to four innocents, or by a tiny good chance, the werecreatures might all destroy each other.

Oh, and we should really watch who enters from the village gates. I don't want any more viggos here!

[Lhunardawen]

*yawn*

Was I just dreaming, or was that really Viggo? Because if it was a dream I'll have to surrender to desperate measures and ask to be healed by that mad guy with the dinosaur.

Lommy, dear, you're too much for someone newly woken up. I didn't understand a word of what you just said.

Anyways, I'm in an utter hurry to crawl back to bed, so I'll say this just once. Knowing that crazy Diamond, it'll be best for us not to consider any gender issues in searching out the Lovers. Girl-girl, guy-guy, whatever, if they show the signs then lynch them. Whatever the signs are.

Also, this is almost anybody's game. It is so much easier for the villains to hide, because they don't know each other, and they only know the one they love. So the most anyone at this point can know for certain is that one person is either innocent or a werecreature. And in this game, it's usually easier for villains to know that not everyone else is innocent, because when they know their fellow baddies it is easier to track them.

So, with all that balderdash out of the way, there's really nothing we can do today but throw random accusations and see what happens. Like this. Farael is a Lover, because he is a Mad Elf. And isn't mad the best way to describe someone in love? Also, he's a copycat. A copyCAT. CAT. Uh-oh.

++FARAEL

What do you mean he hasn't posted yet? Bah, I'm too sleepy to change it. Goo--

*drops off with a snore*

[Nogrod]

This seems like playing with high stakes!

At worst scenario all the ordo-ordos and the gifteds are dead after Night3. With the best of luck there are no werecreatures or their lovers left toMorrow morning...

So, I'm appealing to everyone to use some of their capabilities also today, even though I know many an elf hates Day1's.

One thing coming to my mind as starters is the following, picking it up from Lommy's worries.
I see both our victory and ruin for looking for "pairs". Victory, because surely the werecreatures and their lovers will be defending each others, beacuse otherwise they'll die and lose their chance to win. Ruin, because I fear the whole game might turn to a state where no one dares to speak about who's most probably innocent/ speak out their mind in defense of people who they think innocent, especially if the person is of the another gender. And that won't work either. It will just create paranoia and most probably help the lovers, since they have no need to tell us who they trust because no one other is doing that either.I do not actually agree with the latter. It would be good for the lovers if we all agreed. But I at least will not agree. I refuse to do it. We should speak, as openly as ever.

Lommy is right that when facing a really grave danger of lynching, the lovers will try to help each other (timezone problems might twist our judgements though...). There is nothing else for them to do then as they both die when one dies. And that surely is our chance of catching them.

And let us remember: we have eight good targets! We have really good chances of getting a villain toDay, so let's not jump on early bandwaggons but play carefully.

So almost every other villager makes a good candidate for lynching. Oh, the curse and treachery over this village! :eek:

[Macalaure]

It seems like the course of this horrible situation will, of whatever outcome, be most interesting.

Will the werecreatures and their lovers try to kill innocents, or will they try to get rid of each other first? Either has its good and bad sides. If they go for innocents, they have to crook their reasonings and might be easier to detect for us. If they go for other weres they can blend in easier, but the better for us if they manage to get one. Even though we have to suffer four killings a night, our chances might not be as unpromising as they seem.

I don't think looking for pairs will be the key. Maybe later, but not on the earliers days. If I was a lover, I wouldn't defend my beloved unless she (or he) is in, as Nogrod put it, really grave danger. How many people are in really grave danger a day? Two or three maybe. If I was a lover of one of them, I'd probably rather take the chance than defend him/her and definitely go down the next day (or night even).


So, with all that balderdash out of the way, there's really nothing we can do today but throw random accusations and see what happens.Ouuuhh, Lhuna...
Though I admit I don't have a real plan how to detect somebody, throwing random accusations is pretty much never a good idea.
But since it seems that you had to vote so early, I'll let it pass - for today!

[Meneltarmacil]

Mormegil, would you please elaborate on why I seem suspicious? I'm not a Lover, nor am I a Werething. My experiments, strange as they may seem, have nothing to do with the current situation.

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

Even more important: Could you clean the pavement infront of my house, Mormegil? There is sand all over it!

It is rather troublesome to grow this special fungus in the dessert, luckely we live in an OASIS ! ! ! So it should not be that hard to find some vegitation for your sheeps. . . However if they(or anybody else) touch my fungus, I shall kill them with a spoon!

Of course I am brilliant and could grow thousands of Fungi, but I like to dedicate all my time to this particular one. I shall call it Fenris !

[Holbytlass]

sshhh, the oliphaunts are restless
this is most sad and fearsome. who could do such a thing and why would anyone love them? to begin somewhere, let's take a look at the obvious:

most suspicious these four persons need death
Menel - Mad Scientist =need of body parts
Durelin - Lead Tragic Actor =there needs to be tragedy
Rune - Humungous Fungus Grower =most fungi need some sort of decay to grow
Mac - Builder of Gibbets, unemployed for millennia =needs murder to have a criminal to hang, perhaps tired of being unemployed

least suspicious these persons need live ones to make (or in the case of arcticstorm get) money from
Kitanna - One Legged Chambermaid
Nogrod - a Smith of the Billmarins
arcticstorm - Raving Alcoholic and Resident Moocher
Morm - City Street Cleaner
Naria - Lemba Baker
Fintaeph - Mutton Herder and Purveyor of Fine-Quality Undead Prosthetic Limbs

middle suspicious these people could care less whether we are here or not-could be scary depending on how one looks at their situation
Kath - Flower Girl
JennyHallu - Countess
Valier - Arranger
Lhuna - Beautiful Girl with Sleeping Sickness
Farael - Patient suffering from Mad Elf Disease
Rikae - Contortionist
Lommy-ostrich chaser

as time goes by and how things turn out, i'm sure i will be revising my lists.
now to try and coax out of the oliphaunts what they saw

[Kitanna]

Lommy is right that when facing a really grave danger of lynching, the lovers will try to help each other (timezone problems might twist our judgements though...). There is nothing else for them to do then as they both die when one dies. And that surely is our chance of catching them.
Quite good and I agree. Getting the Lovers between a rock a hard place will force them into giving away their role. If one Lover is in grave danger looking through those who defended him/her it'll be easier to root through. Or if they don't speak up and hope fate turns in their favor there's a really good chance of the death of a pair of Lovers.

Though I admit I don't have a real plan how to detect somebody, throwing random accusations is pretty much never a good idea.
You really think that? On Day One I enjoy random accusations. But I'd never declare them random. Throwing them out there can be quite telling, depending on how the person you accused reacts.

My experiments, strange as they may seem, have nothing to do with the current situation.
You always say that! Just look at my leg. I just have a stump thanks to your experiments, Menel.

[Naria]

There aren't many posts to go on as of now, but there are a few things that perked my interest as I read. I have never liked it when someone puts forth an "if" type post and especially on Day one and especially your first post, Mac. It's hard to explain why I feel this way. It's like you are saying things that you are going to do or are not going to do, all the while, making us believe that someone that puts that down can't possibly be bad. Why would they? Afterall, you just told us how you would act if you were bad/lover...yeah right, I dunno like I said it's hard to explain, it's always made me uneasy is all.

Now on to my other perked interest. Menel you seem a little defensive so early on. I do realize that your job might be just a tad stressful, but....

And lastly, Fin...my Lembas will never go out. They are the best in all the lands. And if any Elf would disagree with that then...well...pooh, poo on you :p :D

[Farael]

One would say "Ohh Lhuna has voted against him, he's sure to retaliate" and then condemn me for trying to distance me from her, which is surely a lovers tactic. But on the other hand, if I go out and claim that she is innocent, I'll be accused of being her lover. Thus, I'll just say this.

Lhuna, day 1's are random, but that excuse will not serve you tomorrow. Pray to Eru you are not a were-creature because my eye is on you. I shall comb through your every word and if anything were to even as much as seem were-creatureish I shall lynch you myself.

But there is a bigger bone to gnaw at it today.... read this.

sshhh, the oliphaunts are restless
this is most sad and fearsome. who could do such a thing and why would anyone love them? to begin somewhere, let's take a look at the obvious:

most suspicious these four persons need death
Menel - Mad Scientist =need of body parts
Durelin - Lead Tragic Actor =there needs to be tragedy
Rune - Humungous Fungus Grower =most fungi need some sort of decay to grow
Mac - Builder of Gibbets, unemployed for millennia =needs murder to have a criminal to hang, perhaps tired of being unemployed

least suspicious these persons need live ones to make (or in the case of arcticstorm get) money from
Kitanna - One Legged Chambermaid
Nogrod - a Smith of the Billmarins
arcticstorm - Raving Alcoholic and Resident Moocher
Morm - City Street Cleaner
Naria - Lemba Baker
Fintaeph - Mutton Herder and Purveyor of Fine-Quality Undead Prosthetic Limbs

middle suspicious these people could care less whether we are here or not-could be scary depending on how one looks at their situation
Kath - Flower Girl
JennyHallu - Countess
Valier - Arranger
Lhuna - Beautiful Girl with Sleeping Sickness
Farael - Patient suffering from Mad Elf Disease
Rikae - Contortionist


as time goes by and how things turn out, i'm sure i will be revising my lists.
now to try and coax out of the oliphaunts what they saw
I should be glad I'm in the "middle suspicious" category, but what the Morgoth??? Half of us have not even uttered a sound and she's already separating us into categories?

"Divide and Conquer"

I SAY Holbytlass is a were-creature, or one of their nasty helpers!! I shall vote for her unless something changes my mind. Which would not be unheard of in day 1, but I have a hunch... and my hunches are usually good.

[Thinlómien]

Naria, I agree with you. Mac's a bit weird. I mean, his whole post is from a werecreature's/lover's point of view, and that indeed is enough to make me wary.

Maybe it's a bit early to say, but I think Naria is probably a good guy or then she is a bluffing evil creature; last time she was evil she returned to her earlier gameplay tactics and slipped under the radar. Why wouldn't she do that now too if she had evil intentions? I can see only advantages for an evil Naria in slipping under the radar early on. (Of course we it would be too short-sighted to discount the possibility of an evil bluffer-Naria though... :rolleyes: )

Holby, why am I not in any of your categories, might I ask? Not that I wanted to be in one, but I surely wonder why am I ignored... :p

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

Are completely unable to see the humoure in Hoblytlas's post? I found it a good read. .

Vote for her if you like, she is a good a lynch candidate as anyone else at this point, but don't try to justify your vote like that.

and btw I would not think you were Lhuna's love just because you did not retaliate. I my self have often defended Lhuna.

EDIT: Cross posted with Lommy

[Holbytlass]

Holby, why am I not in any of your categories, might I ask? Not that I wanted to be in one, but I surely wonder why am I ignored... :p
oh dear, my apologies. too much cutting and pasting, now we might be accused of being lovers :rolleyes:

Lommy-ostrich chaser goes in the middle suspicios category.

went back and checked, did not miss anyone else

[Fintaeph]

Some things I'm thinking about while considering what to do about this tragedy:
1) there are 10 of us and 8 of them; therefore a random guess has a better chance of killing a friend than an enemy;
2) each pair has a 6 in 16 (37.5%) chance of killing another pair tonight; therefore, by tomorrow morning, assuming one of the pairs isn't lynched today, and they randomly pick their victims, 1 or even 2 pairs of the pairs should be dead by their own fangs;
3) with numbers this small, reality won't follow probabilities very closely.

Given all of this, I don't know what to do but bar myself in my barn with my sheep and hope to find my courage and a large weapon by tonight.

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[Farael]

oh dear, my apologies. too much cutting and pasting, now we might be accused of being lovers :rolleyes:

Ohhh yes you will... isn't it convenient? one "forgets" to add the other on her list and the other asks to be on the list and gets included. They couldn't be lovers, could they?

Well, I say they can and they are! it's too innocent a behaviour, why would Loomy WANT to be on a list? it's just too dangerous. If, as I suspect, Holby is found a werecreature or a lover, that list will probably be analyzed and picked appart. If I had been left out by accident, I would much rather have preferred NOT to bring that up!

And Rune, what I see or don't see you'll never know unless I tell you. She's suspicious though, and those of you who know my playing style should do well in listening to me. It has been proven perilous for the ordos to ignore me.

[Naria]

She's suspicious though, and those of you who know my playing style should do well in listening to me. It has been proven perilous for the ordos to ignore me.

Huh? What? Am I missing something Farael? Since we started with a Day phase, I'm not at all following your suspicions for Holby.

[Nogrod]

Okay. 13 from 18 has said something, most of them nearing nothing, though... Sadly we Finnish-elves need to go to sleep in a couple of hours and will have to vote soon... :confused:

So anything this far?

Naria and Lommy may be up to something with Macalaure. Post #10 surely raises questions. I myself like to speculate about how the baddies would work and many of you know well how prone I may be to suggest different methods to work with if I find something useful, but Mac's post seems to be just speculation from the angle of the baddie/lover. Except for the notion, that we should not look for the pairs on the early Days. What to say of that?

Farael is running loose again! I'm not suspecting him by his readiness to cast suspicion everywhere (as that my lorebooks tell me is normal), but for this: One would say "Ohh Lhuna has voted against him, he's sure to retaliate" and then condemn me for trying to distance me from her, which is surely a lovers tactic. But on the other hand, if I go out and claim that she is innocent, I'll be accused of being her lover.Now what is this? After receiving the Day's first early vote that has at least been formulated to be as random as possible, then all this defence? With a clear conscience one can just ignore these and get involved only if there seems to be reason to believe that a sidetracked bandwaggon is about to form on the basis of a nonsense vote. So why so keen to defend?

Nothing better this far... and this is not much.

[Kitanna]

and those of you who know my playing style should do well in listening to me. It has been proven perilous for the ordos to ignore me.
Equally perilous to listen I think. A bit angry Lhuna voted for you so early, Farael? Trying to throw something out toward someone else?

I find nothing to convict Holby of werecreatureness. And since I have played with you before Farael (though it's been awhile) I can't say I find you completely wicked either. But I'll defiantly be watching you and Holby closer now.

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

I hate to do this, but Farael really annoys me. I just don't like the whole and those of you who know my playing style should do well in listening to me. It has been proven perilous for the ordos to ignore me. thing. . .

I wish Lhuna had not voted for him, then I would not feel bad about this at all.

++Farael

[mormegil]

My guess on Farael is that he is attempting us to think him the seer/watcher person. He is not, I believe he is a lover, and let me explain.

and those of you who know my playing style should do well in listening to me. It has been proven perilous for the ordos to ignore me.

As a lover, if dreamt of he will appear innocent. There are those among the non-watcher group that might think him the watcher, which is a benefit to him and his partner. Likely the watcher will dream of him tonight and will only see him as innocent. He is betting that the ranger will be protecting him tonight from the other three were-creatures so as to foil that attempt. The watcher dreaming of him tonight will keep his partner from being dreamt of. It's really a good strategy overall, but I believe it has backfired.

++Farael

as a lover not a were-creature...but is there really any difference?

I do believe Menel to be a bit aggressive in his defence fairly needlessly and suspect him greatly but Farael moreso.

[Valier]

Oh the tragedy!!!! I am completely speechless as of now....werecreatures galore, Oh my!!! I believe the only thing to do today is to sit and observe, and ponder all things. We have a fairly good shot at catching us some lovers today, but most of the thrown out votes are random and I do not like to commit to a lynchee till I have had time to think things through. I have no high suspects yet, but I will be back, hopefully with a plan to keep this village orderly, with everything in it's right place.

[Thinlómien]

At least Rune won't be the only one to feel bad about their vote toDay...

++Macalaure

I hate voting someone who has not had the chance to defend himself, but no other person has made me as wary as he has toDay.

EDIT: xed with Valier + just to inform I won't be back toDay (blame the timezones)

[Macalaure]

May I ask since when it is held suspicious to try to see things from the were-creatures' point of view? :confused:


Well, I say they can and they are! it's too innocent a behaviour, why would Loomy WANT to be on a list? it's just too dangerous. If, as I suspect, Holby is found a werecreature or a lover, that list will probably be analyzed and picked appart. If I had been left out by accident, I would much rather have preferred NOT to bring that up!Why would Lommy want to be on that list? Well, why wouldn't she? Should indeed Lommy and Holby be lovers, then Lommy hurt herself more by pointing out she'd been left than by remaining silent. Though I'm not sure what to think of Holby's list, I don't think Lommy's notice points towards a connection between the two - rather the opposite. I can't follow you in your arguments, Farael. I haven't played with you yet, so I don't know whether you're playing according to your style or not.

I find Rune a little strange. Many are suspicious of Farael right now, but none so aggressively.

[Nogrod]

I'm not happy with the zones either for I too must vote. And I don't like the look of the things at all...

But all in due time.

So yet to post:
Kath
JennyHallu
Durelin
Rikae

Were we closer to the deadline, I would be ready to vote one of these, but naturally have no wish to do so now as there still are several hours left. There are too many believable reasons for non-posting until this moment to gain my vote. But constant hiding under the radar will be arousing my attention, sooner rather than later.

Those posted, but posted little or nothing overtly helpful (something to look more closely in good or bad) would include thus far:
arcticstorm
Lhuna
Valier
Fintaeph

I wouldn't be very happy to vote for anyone of those in the last group either - as there is still time for them to come forwards and contribute more.

But already there are eight names whom I'm declaring not the ones I would like to vote! So should I restrict myself to vote only for those who have actually posted with points or open discussion making this game possible in the first place?

With all probabilities, there are 3 to 4 werecreatures or their lovers in these 8 already.

Why I think out aloud such a thing? Mostly because all the reasons for voting at the stage I've got are against Farael and Mac - and there seems to be others happy to vote similarily but I myself am somewhat unhappy with the reasons, at least with Mac. I have played too many games being one of the last to vote (or the lonely last one) and being frustrated with the no-choice situatiuons when earlier on the Day people have been just too happy to join any bandwaggons there exists (yes, the innocents too).

So what to do... I will have to take a cigarette and think it over.

[Meneltarmacil]

Sorry for the long absence, had a lot of work to do and I'm just taking a break now.

I find Farael to be suspicious on the basis of his challenging Holbytlass. Holby's post really seemed more like random Day One humor than anything else, and certainly not anything to be suspicious of. Though it's bandwagoning, I'm going to vote

++Farael

at this point.

[Meneltarmacil]

Sorry for the double post, but I'd like you to elaborate on why my questioning of your suspicion earlier makes me appear suspicious, morm.

[Nogrod]

addenda (everything after this is updated... and all is in the middle of the making):
Oh No! Menel, that wasn't the wisest thing to do - if you are innocent!

Lhuna --> Farael (Farael1)
Rune --> Farael (Farael2)
Morm --> Farael (Farael3)
Lommy --> Macalaure (Farael3, Macalaure1)
Menel --> Farael (Farael4, Macalaure1)

What bothers me is that we need some pressure here - if someone is planning to post anything in this thread toDay anyhow... :confused:

I agree. With the "evidence" so far Farael is also my prime suspect, but we leave our chances unused if we just lynch him. He might be innocent too and if we put all our apples into one basket we have no chance to gain anything but the chance of Farael actually being a baddie. Spreading the suspicion a bit more might make people speak and give us more to think about.

But it should be a believable threat!
(at this moment I saw Menel's vote... doing some calculating for a while...)

[mormegil]

Sorry for the double post, but I'd like you to elaborate on why my questioning of your suspicion earlier makes me appear suspicious, morm.

Menel it's odd that everytime I've thrown your name out there you are demanding and explanation as to why. This seems rather strange behavior unless you are guilty. I would wager a day's wage that you are a were-creature.

[Macalaure]

Though I find Farael most suspicious right now, I agree with Nogrod: We need some competition here. For obvious reasons, I don't think I would make a good one. Therefore:

++Rune Son of Bjarne

[arcticstorm]

Even now, no one seems to be too suspicious to me. Meneltarmacil's constant insistence on innocence when he has not been given a single vote, though, seems to be the most suspicious to me, but even then it could just be normal paranoia. Lhuna's vote just comes from her sleeping disorder, how, especially today, is she supposed to give a good vote with so little to go on and a sleeping disorder. Holby's list seems to me to be a normal attempt to separate the citizens into three groups, not that it is malicious, and so I should not find it too suspicious. Mac's talk about what he think the werecreatures would do, could be very helpful in the future, not that he is one. Farael's challenge of Holby could have been just been panic and confusion, not necessarily something to be suspected. But at the same time, his constant argument that everyone is voting for him because of Lhuna is ridiculous. I find rune a little strange
Could you please elaborate Macalure? I have not found him too strange yet. But then again, I was drinking pretty heavily. With that said, it looks like I have mentioned everyone who has been suspected today. I have listened to everyone's arguments, save only for those that happened, as I was unconscious. Sadly, my still is dry now, so I need someone to give me money so I can get more to drink. Meanwhile, I will look or something to get rid of this horrible headache. The only solution to this throbbing will be to destroy the pesky little brutes that are harassing our conclave, and to go try to sleep it off. I will wait a little longer before casting my final vote though.

[JennyHallu]

Ok...so I just got online (MIL has been visiting, and the computer has been off.) and realized the game had unexpectedly started. Whoops.

SO I've got like a book and a half to read and I'll be back when I've got that.

[Nogrod]

Here's my counting and some thoughts on them.

There are 6 votes cast already (Farael4, Mac1, Rune1).

There might be 3 votes that will not be cast (have Kath, Durelin & Rikae even the knowledge that the game has started?).

That leaves 9 votes to be cast, possibly. Hopefully more. Let's hope not less.

As I said, I have no objection, on the basis of what I know this far, for Farael to be lynched. I'm not going to die with him. This is a question of basic tactics.

Tactically this is not very wise. We have all the chances to try different suspicions and to see whether a dog howls as it's hit. Now we are just playing it the way all the werecreatures & their lovers want it: stick to one suspicion and leave the others be. No credible danger to any (other?) werecreature / lover and we will gain very little by way of knowledge from this Day one.

PS. Numbers in the beginning are updated... and I'm more than out of good ideas right now.

[Durelin]

I do have knowledge, and unfortunate (nearly tragic) circumstances caused me to be unable to be here until now, but I am currently working on a lengthier post. Just think of me as being tragically fashionably late... :rolleyes:

[JennyHallu]

I haven't got much time tonight. Tomorrow I'll be much more helpful...

But for now...

I just feel I can't trust Valier's claim of speechlessness. Speechless, Valier?? Really...

++Valier

[arcticstorm]

As my question about rune has not been answered yet and I am not going to be arround for the remainder of the day, I will vote for the one I thought the most suspicious earlier.

++ Meneltarmacil

[Valier]

Well I was just about to post my thoughts when something weird just happened....I was taking a look at the people that have been voted for so far. To me none of the three (Farael, Macalaure, Rune) Look suspisious to me today. They all seem their same Day 1 self as always. I was just pondering about who I thought IS suspisious when I thought "Hey where's Jenny?" I thought this very odd and thought about it some more then I was about to post , but before I did I refreshed the page and who should be the last poster?....Jenny, with a vote for me....how odd and a bit strange...so I gotta go with it for today....

++JennyHallu

(Ah and Jenny I was only speechless for awhile, just gathering my thoughts. Day 1's are just torture.) :rolleyes:

[Durelin]

O Horror, horror, horror! O hell kite!

We are all doomed if we do not stick together, us innocent bystanders who have been lost in the most twisted web of romantic design, the most bloody wyrd.

*stops reading from the script*

Anyway...

I find Fin's numbers rather helpful, though they make my head hurt. But I think it makes the most sense for the Lovers to be more afraid of each other than us Ordos. I mean, they want to survive with just their own lover, and it's the Werecreatures that are the most dangerous...one of each lover pair is a werecreature. We ordos don't know anything, so we're most likely to kill each other.

But can we use this to our advantage? Well...maybe, but I don't know how.

So, discovering the identity of Lovers... Looking at voting pairs could possibly help, but they're likely going to be careful about it. Day 1, I don't think they're likely going to vote together, as driving the vote in one direction isn't really necessary at all. I don't know if they ever have the need to drive the vote in a certain direction, only away from each other. This is typical wolf stuff...the difference is, they're not going to be driving the voting away from the other werecreatures (the other Lover pairs).

I thought that there were only going to be female-male pairings, but I realized (almost to my delight, because I feel like knowing such a thing is almost like *cheating*...) that I missed poor lost Di's remarks about that. At least that means I get to avoid embarrassingly placing someone on the wrong list in a male and female categorizing of players...

I think Farael has been playing a little foolishly, carelessly I think...and I think that points more towards innocence. I look at Rune, Valier, Mac, and Lhuna the same way at this point, I think: all being fairly straightforward and not overly *tip-toeing* around or trying too be overly 'investigative,' for a lack of a better word. I can't be at all certain about any of them, of course.

At this point, I'm looking more at Menel...


Mormegil, would you please elaborate on why I seem suspicious? I'm not a Lover, nor am I a Werething.

Those of us who are innocent have no clue who anyone is, period. Whether or not you are a Lover or Werething is not something we are inclined to know, so pointing that out is completely useless. Unless of course you are suggesting supsicion of morm at this point, which is of course not at all baseless (suspicion of anyone at anytime isn't ever completely baseless).

I'm not sure why, but that statement really bothers me.

Kitanna is giving me that 'flying under the radar' feel, which makes me want to keep an eye on her.

arcticstorm is flying under the radar for me, too, but not in the same way. Not in a way that makes me feel like imagining him ripping me open with tooth and claw. So far he has been sensible and has not appeared to be trying to dodge anything (though he hasn't had much to dodge yet, either). We'll have to see about him.

Jenny is obviously pressed for time, and at this point I can't and won't say anything about her. Kath and Rikae haven't been able to be here at all, yet, so I cannot and will not say anything about them either.

Those are the only two that stand out to me

Nogrod, Lommy, and morm all stand out because of how much they say and how much thought they put into things. These three will be the most difficult for me to feel any gut-reactions about. Ugh. I'm not going to get into analyzing any of these guys yet.

Anyway...hmm. I hate defensiveness. It's a pet-peeve of mine. But flying under the radar bothers me even more...

++Kitanna, though I think Farael's death is all but sealed, seeing as there are not too many votes left. We'll see if that's a good thing or a bad thing...

Edit: Cross-posted with arcticstorm, Valier...

I find Valier's vote to be disconcerting, but not in a way that makes me think her to be guilty. I think she is being rash with her vote, and hope that will change in the following Days.

[Nogrod]

Well, the situations seem to change constantly... I was writing a post about the interesting things that were happening around Lhuna and as there were too many knights in shining armour to lift her into their arms I started thinking if we threathened Lhuna and saw what would happen? Would all the princes still defended her? Try it toMorrow if I'm not with you then. I think there might be something...

Just to post my "best case" (not much, but something):
arcticstorm, in #36 (check it and you see the discrapancy in argumentation and the grounds given), made very reasonable-sounding arguments on the actual things different people had done during the day, but had only this kind of things to say about Lhuna: Lhuna's vote just comes from her sleeping disorder, how, especially today, is she supposed to give a good vote with so little to go on and a sleeping disorder., and: Farael's challenge of Holby could have been just been panic and confusion, not necessarily something to be suspected. But at the same time, his constant argument that everyone is voting for him because of Lhuna is ridiculous.

--------------------

But to the bussiness. Votes so far:
Lhuna --> Farael (Farael1)
Rune --> Farael (Farael2)
Morm --> Farael (Farael3)
Lommy --> Macalaure (Farael3, Macalaure1)
Menel --> Farael (Farael4, Macalaure1)
Macalaure --> Rune (Farael4, Macalaure1, Rune1)
Jenny --> Valier (Farael4, Macalaure1, Rune1, Valier1)
arcticstorm --> Menel (Farael4, Macalaure1, Rune1, Valier1, Menel1)
Valier --> Jenny (Farael4, Macalaure1, Rune1, Valier1, Menel1, Jenny1)
Durelin --> Kitanna (Farael4, Macalaure1, Rune1, Valier1, Menel1, Jenny1, Kitanna1)

No pressure. No competition. No revealments or panicky moves from the baddies to be seen. Over half of the votes cast and no one knows about Kath or Rikae...

But as for now, the last three votes look somewhat bad to my eyes as they have known the situation and still spreaded the vote unnecessarily wide. Jenny said she run out of time. But arcticstorm or Valier? Nicely put votes, if you're baddies. Unthoughtful, if you're goodies...

PS. X-d with Durelin (statistics updated). The same goes for her as for the other last ones...

[Durelin]

You're almost contradicting yourself, Nogrod. While I understand both why you'd be concerned about concentration of suspicion and too spread out voting when one person already has four votes, I think how quickly you decide that people who aren't jumping on one of the lynch boats so that someone else might go in the place of Farael is unfair and illogical.

If you thought/think that an attempt to 'save' Farael or something, you might have suggested it. Everyone went for their own suspicions, which is all one can do when there isn't some sort of plan. And the only people who might have a real plan at this point is probably the Lovers.

And ooh, there are more votes left than I thought. Things might get more interesting yet...

[Naria]

Okay so I will vote for

++Menel

Mostly for the reason that I've stated and others have stated. Morm didn't seem to be making that big of a deal "accusing" you and didn't seem to push the issue any further, yet you keep insisting on an explanation. I know you are completely mad, but why the insistance?

[Nogrod]

I'll try to make some competition for the last couple of hours. The one-vote -gainers then... one of them I will have to vote:

- Mac I would like to see around as he's an asset when his innocent and the "case" against him is not very good.
- Rune is always slippery to me, I never get him right... Now I think there is something that is not okay with him, but that probably means he's okay.
- Valier's placing of her vote is really suspicious and she might try to use the legends of her family to evil ends... but still, she might have just being herself.
- Menel I would like to see as an innocent around, but his continual defenciveness has made me wonder and somewhat suspect him too.
- Jenny left suddenly and acted strangely, but RL is an excuse.
- Kitanna might be a cunning player enough to speak wisely and stay more in the background. I would fear her as an enemy but am inclined to believe her more innocent by now.


So:

++ Meneltarmacil

Too upset I say and too much assuring his innocence.

But don't forget the "Lhuna circle", not the least arcticstorm tomorrow. And if for some miracle Farael is alive toMorrow, he's still on top of my suspicions...

Durelin:
If all of us last voters just come up with a new candidate to vote, nothing will happen and the baddies will love the situation. I might have wished to vote for Farael, arcticstorm or Lhuna, but that would be spreading the vote too much, so I had to come up with something else (and I've lost half of my sleeping time soon for it... :( ). That is the reason why I thought that the last given votes are either unthought-of or suspicious. We have so many baddies around that it is totally possible that they might have come to vote at the good spot (not all you four, but one, two?) just to make sure their necks are safe and no one suspects them (but I...).

If you thought/think that an attempt to 'save' Farael or something, you might have suggested it. Everyone went for their own suspicions, which is all one can do when there isn't some sort of plan. And the only people who might have a real plan at this point is probably the Lovers.Farael still tops my own list of suspicion, as I said. Plan or not. I don't have a plan, but I can see that we may play with ways that may bring us some valuable information or then ignoring the chances to get it... You know, we villagers can't play as a team as we can't trust each other as persons, but we can trust rational arguments about the ways that are most profitable to us and help us the best and look around if some people try to play in ways that are harmful to us... Then we just have to see who was unthoughtful and who was malicious... (and that's no easy thing either) :)

EDIT: X'd with Naria

[mormegil]

Valier's vote seems awfully knee-jerk to me!

Care to explain? Essentially she said that she found Jenny suspicious because she hadn't posted and then when she saw that Jenny voted for her she decided to return in kind.

Granted up to this point I didn't find Valier overly suspicious just a bit quiet so Jenny's vote doesn't make much sense to me but Valier's reaction is a bit more odd.

[Holbytlass]

(Farael4, Macalaure1, Rune1, Valier1, Menel1, Jenny1, Kitanna1)
uurrgh! this is terrible-a partial bandwagon and the rest spread so wide.
no one seems particularly suspicious but Menel does seem a bit too defensive.

++menel

EDIT:[Durelin]Things might get more interesting yet...[/quote]
xposted with nogrod morm naria

[Kitanna]

I personally don't find Farael overly suspicious. At first I saw his accusation of Holby as something that was all in good fun (er, what can be considered as such in this situation).
Half of me says "Farael should be lynched, just look at his posts and suspicions."
But the other half says "This is a huge mistake."
And with such uncertainty I find it hard to cast a vote today. Farael has plenty of suspicions following him around, but no one has really come forward to defend him, which is what holds me back from voting for him. If he was a werecreature I feel his Lover (or vice versa) would come forward and try as hard as they could to convince other voters to vote for someone else. But so far no one has been attacked like Farael has.
The only person to give me a real vibe of attempting to sway away from Farael is Mac.
Though I find Farael most suspicious right now, I agree with Nogrod: We need some competition here. For obvious reasons, I don't think I would make a good one
That's not a very good defense for someone whose lover already had 4 votes.
Since no one has really tried to vote for Farael I'm conflicted about how to vote.
I'll be back soon with a vote. Possibly for Farael...

[Farael]

werecreatures would do, could be very helpful in the future, not that he is one. Farael's challenge of Holby could have been just been panic and confusion, not necessarily something to be suspected. But at the same time, his constant argument that everyone is voting for him because of Lhuna is ridiculous.
Mind you, I've never said all my votes were because of Lhuna... as a matter of fact, last time I posted I had no votes going for me, other than Lhuna's

And for you Fools of a Took that question my words, I am not claiming to be the seer, for that would be foolish indeed. I have played the wrong cards, for very few of you have been in a similar situation with me before and yet.... ask Aiwendil if I go wrong when I get one of my hunches.

'Tis fine my dear villagers, lynch me if you must to clear the air. Just make sure to be smarter to-morrow and see who has been proposing my death the most.

I'd go for arcticstorm almost solely on the basis of the quite above... I never argued that anyone voted for me because of Lhuna!

But if not, I still think Holbytlass is a good target. See how she's been silent after sticking her neck too far out before? I'm telling you but you won't listen, 'tis fine.... the gallows it is for me, but tonight some more of you shall suffer a grizzly death. And I can assure you, that will have nothing to do with my survival, for I am an ordo. Don't believe me? lynch me then, and loose a great asset for your puny village.

[Kitanna]

I think if Farael was guilty someone would have come forward to try and defend him because if he was guilty they'd die too. That's why I can't vote to lynch him.

++ Menel

I agree with Morm about him being overly defensive over nothing.

[Fintaeph]

I found myself convinced, in turn, by both sides of the debate about Farael. But the fact that no one has come to his defence in any way does seem to strange. So strange, in fact, that all those things I thought bad of him now seem petty. (Of course, now I've come to his defence. I hope that doesn't prove bad for my health.)

My vote is going for Menel. Having reread the log, I must say the defensiveness *is* a little aggressive. It even continued after mormegil (the accuser in question) voted for someone else. Bad vibes. I've got nothing else to go on, so there it is.

++Menel

[Farael]

I believe the deadline is well.. RIGHT NOW and nothing much has changed since my last post. Well, I might make it now, but I probably won't survive tomorrow anyway.

++Menel
P.S: If I die, kill Holbytlass for me.

[Diamond18]

Deadline time. Stop posting. Menel is dead. Lovers may commence PMing. Watch for death knell.

[Diamond18]

The Elves gathered at Menel's door, faces stern (yet noble, for they were Elves, after all).

Arctic Storm was the first to bang on his door, crying, "D'you have any mirouvour?" Then he remembered what they were about and amended, "Er, we've come to kill you!"

"Go away," came Menel's voice from inside. "I'm busy."

"Let's break down the door," suggested Naria, nibbling on Lembas.

"I agree," agreed Nogrod. He went to his smithy and grabbed up a pair of red hot tongs. Holby whispered to an oliphaunt, who readied its mighty tusks for action. Kitanna chose her heftiest chamberpot, one with the goods still in it. Fintaeph opted to use a particularly fine quality undead limb of the leg variety. Farael chose to use his bare hands, as mad Elves often do.

They were ready. Holby whispered to her Oliphaunt once more, and with one toss of its head it tore through Menel's front door.

Menel looked up from his table, annoyed. A hulking creature went "Bwaahhlhhghggfur!" Menel set down the needle and thread with which he had been stitching together fingers and pointed his own finger at Farael. "He's evil, I tell you!"

But it was to no avail. Arctic Storm leapt upon him and grabbed his arms, pinning them behind the Mad Scientist's back. Naria threw a piece of lembas at him. Nogrod, Kitanna, and Fintaeph set upon him with their weapons, while Farael danced around the room going, "Hoo hoo hoo hoo!" in a happy, if mad, sort of way.

The dirty deed done, the Elves stepped back and looked upon Menel. Nogrod's tongs stuck out of his chest, the slime from Kitanna's pot clung to him, and the beating he had taken from the undead leg, well, let's just say it wasn't pretty.

One thing was for certain, nobody was particularly shook up over his death, and he was just an Elf, nothing more.

"Haarroooooo!" went the hulking figure on the worktable. They killed it too, just in case.

~*~*~*~

The Living Elves:

Lommy - Ostrich Chaser
Mac - Builder of Gibbets, unemployed for millennia
Kath - Flower Girl
Kitanna - One Legged Chambermaid
JennyHallu - Countess
Nogrod - a Smith of the Billmarins
Valier - Arranger
Holby - Oliphaunt Whisperer
Durelin - Lead Tragic Actor
arcticstorm - Raving Alcoholic and Resident Moocher
morm - City Street Cleaner
Lhuna - Beautiful Girl with Sleeping Sickness
Rune - Humungous Fungus Grower
Naria - Lemba Baker
Farael - Patient suffering from Mad Elf Disease
Rikae - Contortionist
Fintaeph - Mutton Herder and Purveyor of Fine-Quality Undead Prosthetic Limbs

The Dead 'Uns

tgwbs - Tragic Elven Hero and Lover of Diamond - (co-mod) - Stabbed himself eight times and subsequently eaten by the Werebird

Diamond - Elven Maid - (mod) - Crushed in the embrace of the Werebear

Menel - Mad Scientist - (ordo) - Beaten with an undead leg and a chamber pot and stabbed with red hot tongs (Day 1)

[Rikae]

I'm here - can't comment now, all tied up, ;) will read the thread and post this afternoon.
EDIT: Make that tomorrow afternoon! Sorry.

[Diamond18]

After killing Menel, the Elves retreated to their homes and waited warily for Nightfall. Night fell and the moon rose, full and cheeky, above the desert. All was hushed for a while, but then....

An ominous howl split the night, followed by a foreboding flutter of giant wings. Somewhere in the distance came the sound of purring, but evil purring. The night smelt of bear pelt.

Two brave souls crept from their homes, and took up watch before two separate households. They both had a long and uneventful night.

Toward morning, the Watcher began to walk back to his home. Little did he know that from the shadows, a pair of feline eyes were gleaming at him. Evilly.

The Werecat slunk after the Watcher, barely able to silence its purring as it anticipated its kill.

Nogrod, for that is indeed the identity of our valiant hero, stopped at his door. The tiny hairs on the back of his neck stood up, and he looked around, wary. His hand reached for his sword, but alas, he was not fast enough. The Werecat leapt upon him and clamped its mighty jaws onto his throat, snarling in exaltation as it snapped his neck. From there it dragged him into the long grass and tore skin and meat from bone. Another figure joined it and reached out to stroke its gleaming fur (evilly). "Nice kitty," breathed an Elven voice. "Such a pretty kitty...."

Naria, the Werecat, turned to her lover, and purred. Arctic Storm was about to say something more about her feline loveliness when he felt a downdraft. He looked up and saw the Werebird swooping down upon him. Naria screeched and leapt up, trying to bat the giant bird away, but it was to no avail. The Werebird snatched Arctic Storm up in its talons and lifted his screaming head to its vicious beak. It devoured him head first.

The Werecat let lose a wild, heartbroken yowl. She ran after the Werebird as it flew away, but the winged creature of doom only cackled as it disappeared into the night sky. With a single last unearthly sound of torment, Naria ran headfirst into the Ringbearer's Stone. Her skull split open upon impact and she fell to the ground.

Elsewhere, the Werebear tore down the door of another unsuspecting Elf. It raided the house for yummy pots of honey, but found only dirty chamberpots filled with offal. Roaring in anger, the Werebear entered the bedroom and clamped its mighty jaws onto Kitanna's leg, attempting to drag her from her bed. Kitanna screamed and grabbed onto her bedpost, resisting. Years of hauling chamberpots around had given her an exceptionally good grip. At first the bear could not dislodge her, but then gave it some extra effort, and tore Kitanna in two. It ran from the house, Kitanna's lower half in tow. "My sweet teddy bear," said an Elf following after. "Don't fret, I have honey for you...."

Meanwhile, in another part of the enclave, Rune was up late working on his fungus. "You will be the most humungous fungus in all of Harad!" he cooed lovingly to his fungus. He was a lonely guy. No family. No pets. No lover.

He was about to retire for the night when he heard a menacing growl from the door. He spun around and saw the nassssssty yellow eyes of the Werewolf sizing him up. "You will not harm the fungus!" Rune cried. The Werewolf just laughed.

The next morning, Rune was nowhere to be found. That is, until the Elves noticed the freshly minced fertilizer packed around the base of the humungous fungus....

~*~*~*~

The Living Elves:

Lommy - Ostrich Chaser
Mac - Builder of Gibbets, unemployed for millennia
Kath - Flower Girl
JennyHallu - Countess
Valier - Arranger
Holby - Oliphaunt Whisperer
Durelin - Lead Tragic Actor
morm - City Street Cleaner
Lhuna - Beautiful Girl with Sleeping Sickness
Farael - Patient suffering from Mad Elf Disease
Rikae - Contortionist
Fintaeph - Mutton Herder and Purveyor of Fine-Quality Undead Prosthetic Limbs

The Dead 'Uns

tgwbs - Tragic Elven Hero and Lover of Diamond - (co-mod) - Stabbed himself eight times and subsequently eaten by the Werebird

Diamond - Elven Maid - (mod) - Crushed in the embrace of the Werebear

Menel - Mad Scientist - (ordo) - Beaten with an undead leg and a chamber pot and stabbed with red hot tongs (Day 1)

Nogrod - a Smith of the Billmarins - (watcher) - Savagely murdered by the Werecat and devoured in the long grass (Night 2)

Arctic Storm - Raving Alcoholic, Resident Moocher, and Lover of Naria (lover) - Devoured head first by the Werebird (Night 2)

Naria - Lemba Baker - (werecat) - Dashed out her brains on the Ringbearer's Rock (Night 2)

Kitanna - One Legged Chambermaid - (ordo) - Ripped in two by the Werebear (Night 2)

Rune - Humungous Fungus Grower - (ordo) - Minced up into fertilizer by the Werewolf (Night 2)

[Valier]

Are you freakin' kidding me? Five dead people. If this happens again we may all be dead really quick. At least a couple got killed as well, but losing our Watcher is devistating. Since we started with a day phase the Watcher only had a dream last night, which doesn't help us any. We still have the Ranger...they should stay hidden as long as possible, they may be our only hope of giving us villagers time to weed out the Werelovers.

So we have 6 Werelovers and 6 Ordos/Ranger.....I have no idea how to work out any odds, but I am sure someone else can. I have reread the days threads and not much of interest has sparked anything in me yet. I only have my weird suspisions about people so far, which are not concrete I know, so I won't share them just yet.
I must say though that I did not think that Menel or Rune were Werecreatures yesterday, that is why I did not vote for them. Farael though, now that I have looked over your posts, you were acting a bit strange and I would like to hear more from you today. Jenny I know I was quick to vote for you yesterday, but I just got a weird feeling and went with it. I would like to hear some more from you as well today. I will be checking in as much as possible tomorrow and will share more of my thoughts then.

[Lhunardawen]

Ohmigoodness. I had this terrible dream. There were five dead bodies lying around the village and, and--

*Lhuna looks around*

What the heck?! Somehow it didn't look this horrible in my nightmare!

Okay, so we lost five people, two of which we are glad to lose, and three otherwise. And the Watcher on the first Night, good grief! If there's anything we can gain from this loss, at least from now on the werecreatures might be distracted in hunting down their fellow baddies, leaving us poor innocents be in the Night, and thus aiding us in our daily lynchings. We'll catch all of them, and thank them before they die yet!

Also, we know more now from all these deaths than we did yesterDay, and I hope this will aid us in searching for the villains. The way I see it now, we could probably trace the individual deaths to potential suspects, and lynch whoever we find most likely responsible for a killing. If anyone has better ideas, though, come out and share it.

Since no sane woman (even women with sleeping problems) would be able to sleep properly with a puzzle like this in mind, I'll be off reminiscing the last Day in the light of new developments. Toodles!

[mormegil]

Lhuna for Farael (Farael 1)
Rune for Farael (Farael 2)
Mormegil for Farael (Farael 3)
Thinlo for Mac (Farael 3, Macalaure 1)
Menel for Farael (Farael 4, Macalaure 1)
Macalaure for Rune (Farael 4, Macalaure 1, Rune 1)
JennyHallu for Valier (Farael 4, Macalaure 1, Rune 1, Valier 1)
Articstorm for Menel (Farael 4, Macalaure 1, Rune 1, Valier 1, Menel 1)
Valier for JennyHallu (Farael 4, Macalaure 1, Rune 1, Valier 1, Menel 1, Jenny 1)
Durelin for Kitanna (Farael 4, Macalaure 1, Rune 1, Valier 1, Menel 1, Jenny 1, Kitanna 1)
Naria for Menel (Farael 4, Macalaure 1, Rune 1, Valier 1, Menel 2, Jenny 1, Kitanna 1)
Nogrod for Menel (Farael 4, Macalaure 1, Rune 1, Valier 1, Menel 3, Jenny 1, Kitanna 1)
Holby for Menel (Farael 4, Macalaure 1, Rune 1, Valier 1, Menel 4, Jenny 1, Kitanna 1)
Kitanna for Menel (Farael 4, Macalaure 1, Rune 1, Valier 1, Menel 5, Jenny 1, Kitanna 1)
Fintaeph for Menel (Farael 4, Macalaure 1, Rune 1, Valier 1, Menel 6, Jenny 1, Kitanna 1)
Farael for Menel (Farael 4, Macalaure 1, Rune 1, Valier 1, Menel 7, Jenny 1, Kitanna 1)

No vote: Kath and Rikae

Voted for a known innocent: Mac, Holby, Fintaeph, Farael.

The most interesting thing is that it looked like Farael was dead at 4 votes with nobody above 1 and then all the sudden a crazy train started for Menel. I take my share of the blame but I still cannot understand why he was so defensive against my seemingly innocuous first post. It was more in jest than anything yet he twice requested/demanded an explanation. I found it odd but not enough to vote for him.

I did vote for Farael and stick behind that vote. The two that look most suspicious in their votes yesterday are Holby and Fintaeph as they cast votes that were pivotal in saving Farael. This game is interesting due to the lover dynamic. I would postulate that generally lovers wouldn't vote the same, yet Naria and Artic did. There is a circumstance where I would believe that they would vote the same and it would generally appear innocent enough and that is exactly what happnened yesterday with Farael. Farael's vote for Menel could easily be explained as self-preservation so if his lover voted with him it wouldn't be seen as a direct connection. This begs the question as to if it's Holby or Fintaeph but it's really irrelevant as we can simply lynch Farael and watch his partner wither in horror and despair...a fitting way to die.

Valier I still hold that your vote yesterday was extremely odd and stuck out to me. I'm not sure what to make of it though. I know that you consistently "go with your gut" but I'm not sure how you could get a gut feeling on Jenny when it seemed more like knee-jerk to me. I don't think you overly suspicious yet but I will watch you closely.

Lommy bears watching, if you catch my drift.

Rikae and Kath any explanations for not voting?

Jenny gave a RL reason yesterday but I expect more substance today...that goes for Lhuna as well. We have one day now and some evidence with us. I expect a more reasoned and sound vote today. While I agree with your candidate from yesterday your reasoning was shoddy at best.

Edit: Cross posted with Lhuna

[Lhunardawen]

morm, you forgot Durelin. Kitanna is innocent.

Which is an interesting vote, actually, as it spread the options to seven people. Her reasoning was that Kitanna seemed to be flying under the radar, and it bothered her. Fly-away? It's a safe vote in that it was well-reasoned, for a Day 1 vote...for now, I'm inclined to trust her.

Right now the person still standing out most to me is Farael. I know by history that he really tends to be...like this. He's speaking too rashly to be a bad guy. But then again, he almost always did, jumping to all sorts of suspicions and all that, but this time it seems more...jumpy. Argh, it's hard to read. My suspicious guess is that he's trying to look ordinary (because really, an ordo has nothing to lose being killed, compared to all the other roles, so he can say all he wants), and should the Watcher suspect him, that's what he'll see. A Lover? That's still the best I can come up with. But for now I'll be keeping as keen an eye on him as my sleepy self could, especially since he voted for Menel when he was already safe - why didn't he stick to his suspicion of Holby and voted for her?

Just a thought...I suppose Nogrod wouldn't be so careless as to leave us a bold hint to his role? Did the werecreatures kill him simply because he's a formidable foe? I'll take another look at all he said.

Look here, this is interesting: As I said, I have no objection, on the basis of what I know this far, for Farael to be lynched. I'm not going to die with him. This is a question of basic tactics.
Not that I know what to make of it.

Also, he said to threaten my knights in shining armour and see what happens. I have them? Oooh! I always knew I was a Sleeping Beauty. :D

Anyways, from what I've read, I think he dreamt of an ordo (or at least ordo-seeming) first Night. Sigh. This is really such a tragic loss.

Valier...her vote was just too something to come from a baddie. Surely she knew of its repercussions...or was she too evil to care? And whatever happened yesterDay to those thoughts she said she was about to post? Right now, though, I'll give her the benefit of the doubt, but she's definitely worth watching.

Fintaeph voted for Menel when Farael was already safe. There's also something strange about her reasoning. On my watch list...

Holby...to save Farael? If so, that was some spectacle from Farael. Who would think they are working together?

So, right now I find Farael, Valier, Fintaeph, and Holby most questionable (note not "suspicious"), and there needs more to be heard from Jenny, Kath, and Rikae. But knowing me, that's likely to change as soon as I post this. Sheesh.

[Lhunardawen]

Why is everyone else asleep? I thought I was the one with sleeping sickness here. :D

I realised that if we want to trace each death to a killer, we have to consider their motives. Were they trying to kill the Watcher, or their fellow Werecreature/Lover?

The story said:

Nogrod - a Smith of the Billmarins - (watcher) - Savagely murdered by the Werecat and devoured in the long grass

Arctic Storm - Raving Alcoholic, Resident Moocher, and Lover of Naria (lover) - Devoured head first by the Werebird

Naria - Lemba Baker - (werecat) - Dashed out her brains on the Ringbearer's Rock

Kitanna - One Legged Chambermaid - (ordo) - Ripped in two by the Werebear

Rune - Humungous Fungus Grower - (ordo) - Minced up into fertilizer by the Werewolf

Okay, so it was Naria who killed Nogrod. But who would kill arcticstorm, Kitanna, and Rune? And why?

This is too much to think about; I hope I don't fall asleep in the attempt. I'll try to be back with my thoughts on this.

[Lhunardawen]

arcticstorm:
In the weird post #36 he says Lhuna's vote comes of a sleeping disorder, and having such, and so little to go on, she couldn't be expected to give a good vote; Holby's list was unsuspicious; Mac's "what ifs" on werecreatureness could be very helpful in the future, not that he is one; Farael's gung-ho attitude towards Holby could be attributed to panic and confusion and is not necessarily suspicious, but his constant argument that everyone's voting for him because of Lhuna is ridiculous (incidentally, Lhuna also finds this observation ridiculous, because she has seen nothing of the sort); and he wanted Mac to elaborate on why he found Rune a little strange, because he didn't.

Kitanna:
She declared Farael and Holby as not particularly weresomethingy, but both worth close watching (post #24). In post #50 she expands on the issue regarding Farael, saying that if Farael was a Lover he should have had someone defending him by then, and she mentions Mac's example as an un-Loverly (too feeble) attempt of doing that.

Rune:
He found Holby's list humourous and a good read, and shouldn't be used to justify voting for her (post #18). Same post he said that he didn't think Farael was Lhuna's lover just because he didn't retaliate, and that he himself had often defended Lhuna. Seven posts down he voted for Farael because this annoyed him: and those of you who know my playing style should do well in listening to me. It has been proven perilous for the ordos to ignore me.

Hmm. For all we know all of this says nothing. Make of it what you will. I'm tired. Zzz.

[Kath]

Yes morm, there is a reason for my no show yesterDay. Pure stupidity. See the admin thread for details.

But yeesh! 5 dead. Ok that's one lover pair down but losing our Watcher sort of negates that. It seems that morm in particular is keen to lynch the (previously) main candidate from yesterDay. So, who wants to give me a reason why we're assuming Farael is evil? I've only skimmed yesterDay's posts so far so a nice concise explanation would be lovely.

So, let's look at Lhuna's question: Who would kill arcticstorm, Kitanna and Rune?

I think arcticstorm's death was due to the fact that he didn't really have anything concrete to say yesterDay. He asked questions of others to gauge their suspicions but had few of his own. Either someone thought his death wouldn't leave a trail or they did actually see this as being symptomatic of being a Lover. Now he was taken by the WereBird. So with the former explanation we're looking for someone who wants to cover their back and with the latter someone who wants to get rid of the competition.

With Rune I think it's possible that he was killed either by Farael or to set Farael up, because his suspicion lay entirely on him. Having read most of the posts from yesterDay I think the former more likely, as it seems quite a Farael-ish thing to do to kill someone and then claim that it couldn't possibly have been him because how stupid would that have been, it must have been a set up.

I'm not sure why Kitanna would have been killed, unless it was simply that one of the creatures felt threatened by her. Sorry, stuck on this one.

One person I'm not sure on is Lommy. Her first post is very ... sensible would be the best word for it I suppose, and full of what we can and can't do to win. I dislike this kind of post because it attempts to dictate how we do things so it could just be my own opinion coming through, but I'm just not sure it fits Lommy.

And of course we can't forget dear old morm. Amazingly so far he doesn't look all that suspicious. However, there are a couple of points. One is missing out Durelin as Lhuna pointed out, possible Lover pairing though I don't really believe morm would slip up like that. The other is the push on Valier for what he thinks is a 'knee-jerk' reaction. The thing is the Valier always behaves that way. If she's on our side it's good for us, and perhaps we should look at Jenny, but if she isn't then woe betide us, for our resident evil-weeder-outer isn't really present.

So, an explanation for the suspicion over Farael please (though having gone through the posts a few times now I'm certainly beginning to see it) and then I'll try to work out who I'm actually suspicious of so far.

EDIT: Cross posted with Lhuna.

[Macalaure]

So right now there's 6 innocents and 6 baddies. Since we lost our watcher, there now is no difference between the guilty and the innocent lover anymore.

It is a weird thing actually. I know I'm innocent, so there will be more guilty than innocent people reading this. Although the baddies will probably try to lynch other baddies at day like we all do, they have a second thought in saying what they say. So of the arguments that I read there will be less honest ones than crooked ones. Makes you paranoid almost.

I'll have a look at the crazy train.
It was started by the lover pair arctic and Naria. Strange behaviour for a couple. I guess they really thought him guilty and maybe were looking for a lynched were-creature under their belt.
Then the watcher Nogrod joined. Was it really just to put pressure on somebody else? Was his saying "Farael is still most suspicious to me" a feint and in fact he dreamt of him and tried to save him inconspiciously? But even if that is the case, there are three innocent lovers and five real innocents (plus me) now, so it's not reliable anyway.
Holbytlass crossed with both Naria and Nogrod, so she didn't know of the importance of her vote. Her reasoning isn't the best and what she said long before was unsubstantial joking. I'm a little suspicious of her.
Next in line is Kitanna, now known innocent. Thought Farael innocent and wanted to save him. Proof that you can defend somebody without being in love with him.
Then Fintaeph voted short before the deadline. He said Farael might be innocent because nobody came to defend him. He then votes Menel, whom nobody cared to defend either. Hmmmm...
Then finally Farael voted him, but he knew his vote wouldn't change anything anymore. Interesting Farael told us to retaliate if he dies. He knew he was not going to get lynched, so he was talking about being killed at night. This would be of course ridiculous if he turned out a dead lover. It might be a bluff, though.

[Thinlómien]

Knowing that half of the village is evil is certainly not something to calm my mind... Really, instead of a few villagers, a suspicion list should include half of the people. :eek: I must say that the baddies are playing quite well since no one really stands out to my evil-detector.

It seems I was wrong about Naria. :rolleyes: Well, everyone makes mistakes...

While rereading, a few things caught my attention. First of all, Durelin's long post was very odd. I don't know precisely why, but it makes me wary of her. It's somehow shady and saying nothing while saying a lot, and her vote is more than weird. If somebody is flying under the radar, what does a vote for the person help? (especially if it's a single vote from a person who thinks the lynch is already sealed?)

I'm still suspicious about Mac. Besides that I still think his first post yesterday was a bit strange, I'm used to hear more contribution from him and this time he has been somehow softer than before; I'm used to a bit edgier Mac who is not afraid to accuse or speak.

Morm's theory yesterday about Farael trying to convince us about he being the watcher is a bit far-fetched I think. It would take a very cunning and a very bold baddie to do that, and I'm really thinking such person would be an especially cunning and bold person and (no offense) Farael does not strike me as a person to this. Rather I think morm might be up to something...

I'm not trying to say that I feel Farael innocent, though. On the contrary, he's suspicious. He's over-jumpy and his cases seem to pop up from nowhere. He was the same the last time I played with him and he happened to be a lover that time. I wouldn't be surprised to find Farael guilty, either a werecreature or a lover.

It seems Lhuna is the only one right now I have a quite clear opinion about. She seems quite innocent.

Holby's vote worries me too. She did not voice any suspicion of Menel before voting and she did not seem to be having a strong suspicion of him. Her vote seems joining a bandwagon for the sake of joining a bandwagon and that definately is not very innocent behaviour.

And that post of Nogrod's...
As I said, I have no objection, on the basis of what I know this far, for Farael to be lynched. I'm not going to die with him. This is a question of basic tactics. I think he just said that he does not have anything special against lynching Farael since he was not Farael's lover.

And I've asked Di, Fin's a he.

EDIT: xed with Mac

[Fintaeph]

Hi all,

Well, that was quite the first Day/Night. :-|

Let me say, first, that I'm winding up an all-nighter for my RL job, so please excuse me if I'm not entirely coherent.

In answer to the four people who've questioned my late vote for Menel last night, I can really only say what I said then: I had no really strong suspicion of anyone, though my attentions were focussed on Farael and Menel. I read the entire log four times before voting. The only thing that really stuck out was how Menel kept demanding to know why mormegil suspected him, even after morm voted for someone else. That felt decidedly odd. Many of you referred to your past experiences with each other when making your decisions. Bear in mind that I have no such past experiences to draw on. I made the best choice I could with the information I had available to me. To be honest, I didn't really count the votes for and against when I voted -- I figured I should make my choice for my own reasons.

Obviously that choice was wrong. But seven of us -- nearly half the village -- made the same choice. Please do not single me out merely because I was last.

In terms of the evening's events, I'm glad that at least one pair is dead. The odds are even now, when voting, that we'll pick an enemy over a friend. That's better odds than yesterday, at least, though perhaps that is not a happy thing. The better news it the werecreatures now have a 4 in 9 chance of killing each other tonight, if we are unable to lynch a pair today.

Today, I will be taking a closer look at Farael. Things didn't seem to add up, yesterday, but as Lhuna pointed out, 4 people who suspected him are among the dead. That seems kind of high, given that only 4 people voted for him. Yes, I'm aware he could only have been involved with one death. Still, he has had a stroke of good luck.

The only other person I currently have any suspicions of is Valier, and that only for the very flimsy "he that smelt it, dealt it" reason: she was first to post this morning, which could indicate she was hanging around from the Night. As I said, pretty flimsy.

In any event, I have to be back at my RL job in 3 hours, so I'd best get some sleep. Hopefully, I'll be more coherent (and still alive) when I check in here tomorrow.

And Menel, if you're reading: I'm sorry.

G'Day, all . . . .

[Macalaure]

Reading the thread back and forth (since not much else is happening), here are my thoughts of the moment.

probably innocent:
Kath - only one post so far, but that one looks good.
Lhuna - helpful and reasonable today.
Fintaeph - I buy his explanation for his vote.
Durelin - I liked her approach yesterday, good points.

unsure:
Farael - I can't believe a lover would act like he did yesterday. I need to hear of him today before I can read him.
Lommy - I can't put the finger on it, but I'm getting a bad hunch about her.
Jenny - need to hear more of her.
morm - still can't read him. Tough nut to crack.
Rikae - still hasn't posted.

suspicious:
Valier - her vote yesterday was strange. Did nothing to relieve my bad feeling.
Holby - nothing substantial from her. Suspicious vote.


If my unsuspicious villagers are all innocents (which is unlikely, of course), then there's only one innocent in the unsure group. I could live with a lynching of any of them and my suspicious ones just because the chances are that good. I need more input from the five.

One thing I just wondered about is why Lommy is so sure about Lhuna's innocence. Not that I disagree with it, but why does she point it out so explicitly? Lovers? Don't think so, too eye-catching. Maybe a lover preparing the scene for the safe kill of somebody who is assumed to be innocent by most?

[Thinlómien]

Lommy - I can't put the finger on it, but I'm getting a bad hunch about her.Hahaha, if I were you I wouldn't trust your hunches about me, remembering the last game... ;)

One thing I just wondered about is why Lommy is so sure about Lhuna's innocence. Not that I disagree with it, but why does she point it out so explicitly? Lovers? Don't think so, too eye-catching. Maybe a lover preparing the scene for the safe kill of somebody who is assumed to be innocent by most? She just happens to be the only one I feel more innocent than "unsure" or "suspicious".

[Farael]

why didn't he stick to his suspicion of Holby and voted for her?

Quite simple, my dear... as someone mentioned, self-preservation.

Ohhh but Menel was dead already anyway! Check the time stamp of my post and that of Diamond's.... I suddenly remembered that it was time to cast my vote, read through the other posts (ok, I'll admit it, the other VOTES) quickly and without counting them I saw that my only chance to survive was Menel's death. I voted for him, hoping that my vote would be enough. As it turns out, it was overkill

Alas, 'tis a sad proposition for it obviously makes me look more suspicious, yet I hope you forgive my Day 1 hooplabloopla and listen to me now that I actually have something to say.

We all know that, specially on Day 1's, I come out with my own little theories and stick with them even if it costs me my neck. But how about now? Holby was, at first, somewhat vocal... then I started leveling some (slightly random, I'll admit, but not completely unfounded) accusations and she said nothing other than an ill-explained vote. I'll take all the blame you want for my vote for Menel but keep in mind that, while I do not fear being called to the halls of Mandos, it is not something I WANT to do. What's her word on her vote?

And let me start another accusation on flimsy grounds that will cost my neck for sure. Yes, I know he has expressed doubts about me, but does anyone else find morm being alive slightly curious? Unless we are dealing with a group of werecreatures that have never played with him before, out of FOUR kills, no-one thought of getting rid of that mormegil? he's a danger to them if he is an ordo, and he's even more perilious as a lover or a werething.

Yet I'm not going to say "lynch him because he survived"... just keep an eye on him.

Overall, I still find Holby the most suspicious. I shall vote for her today, unless my neck is, again, on the line or if there seems to be a tie between two other people.

As I've mentioned elsewhere, it is likely that I shall cast my vote early today, for I have a.... erm.... thing (lab at University)... until 9 30, which means that if it runs late I would miss voting as a whole. And even if I managed to get to a computer by 9 30, I wouldn't have time to read everything. On the other hand, maybe I'll take my chances, or I'll show up to vote in between the two labs... erm I mean things I have today.

[Holbytlass]

As for my vote, despite Fareal's odd attack against me , afterall he is a mad elf, he didn't seem too worrisome and he already had 4 votes. I didn't want to join the bandwagon. The votes were already spread so wide, at the moment of deciding who to vote for Morm's points about Menel seemed as realistic as it could get being first day. I was assuming to be only the 2nd vote but cross-posted with Naria and Nogrod putting Menel tied with Fareal. It was Kittana's (deceased and innocent) vote that broke the tie with Fintaeg's and Fareal's vote putting him in the lead.

However, even that leads to almost nowhere because there were others who could've voted and changed things. Sheesh, I'm at a loss. Going to go back through threads....

[JennyHallu]

OK, so we're definitely seeing a strong Farael vs. Morm dynamic. Unfortunately we must remember that our usual ways of seeing the world are rather messy in this game. They could both be deluded innocents, they could be one and the other, they could both be evil yet opposed, they could even be secret allies. *sigh* I sense a headache.

The points that have been made against Holby make a lot of sense to me. I'm used to seeing her much more helpful and clear...but we've seen only a day one, and I know several of us were taken a bit by surprise by the start of the game. I'd like to hear more from her.

I"m going to do some work and then read through some of yesterday's posts. Hopefully I'll have some stronger feelings later, because right now I just feel like we're groping in the dark.

EDIT: X'd with Holby...

[Farael]

Let me insist here....

I better be very vocal now that I can, since I'm on the spotlight anyway and I will have to undergo a forced silence soon enough.

While I don't expect people to toss out accusations as strongly and sternly as I do on every post (heck, that'd ruin my lovely Farael style of werewolfing!) Does anyone else find it suspicious that Holby only posted to defend her vote? That's all she said. (Praphrasing) Look, I'm innocent... and confused, so I'm not going to add anything to the discussion

I can understand why someone would like to think before they post. I know, I don't always do it, but SOME people may want to. Yet what's the point of posting ONLY to say "I'm innocent"? I don't believe her anyway, and anyone else who does should be shot.

What? guns aren't invented yet? ok, smacked with a palantir.

No, not because I am the almighty watcher and I know things for sure... that was Nogrod and sadly he is no longer among us... but rather, because ANYONE who believes what another of us says ought to have "inside information"... and with Nogrod being dead, the only way to have inside info is...

So, I say, am I suspicious? well, maybe I'm too outspoken for my own good... but then, isn't it a proven werethingish tactic to fly under the radar? make some inocuous posts so that everyone will say "well, I have nothing to go on with her... that's suspicious, but not suspicious enough to lynch her".

I stand by my words, if Holby is trully innocent, why is she silent now after coming up with an (I know, jesting) list on the first few hours of the game? I think she's trying to fly under the radar..... well, perhaps when I go down in flames I shall bring her down with me.

NO! Not a lover's hint, which would be rather stupid, I mean that once I'm proven innocent beyond doubt (and beyond the seas to Valinor where Mandos' halls are) I hope you'll see my wisdom.

Or it may not even come to that. Lynch her before me!

Edit: Just to clarify my poor English... when I say "anyone who believes what another says" means "anyone who believes what another says without questioning whether s/he may actually be playing for the other team".

I wasn't sure I was getting my message across properly.

[JennyHallu]

Farael, you're forgetting a major point. Not even the evil know who their enemies are, and which might have the power to kill them in the night. The day is not over, Holby still has plenty of time to write more posts...not everyone likes to mix defensive and offensive statements. I separate them whenever I can, just for clarity's sake. You're getting a little out of hand, Farael, and making me nervous. This is just how you acted as Kath's lover (previous game, Fin...don't feel overwhelmed at all our "inside" information...I really value your viewpoint, because you're not hampered by our preconceptions of eachother. I still think you might be evil though:p )

[Kath]

Lhuna's Lover Jenny not mine, he was just trying to get me killed.

Now, to this Farael/Holby battle. I have seen this style of playing before from Farael and it does give me cause for concern, but I have not seen this style of playing before from Holby and that also worries me.

However, everybody here knows that the only way we can find out the truth is if they are lynched during the Day or killed at Night. Unfortunately, if they both turn out to be innocents, and it's possible, we're totally screwed. Even if Farael were the WereBird's lover and Holby the WereHamster or whatever we've actually got coming after us, there are still 4 other candidates out there.

We need not to get lost in pointless battles and this really is one. If we don't check it, it will turn into a feud with some on one side, some on another and some just trying to stay out of it. Other possibilities will be overlooked and it won't be good for us at all.

By all means we need to keep an eye on these two, but not to the exclusion of everyone else. Personally I would like to see Farael calm down. It is quite possible you don't realise it Farael but the tone you are using is causing everyone to bristle. A few susbstantial posts from Holby would be nice too so that we can actually get a feel for her.

[JennyHallu]

Thank you for your correction. I knew Lhuna was involved and for some reason mentally reversed you two.

And an excellent point. I think I'll take a good long look at someone being mostly ignored...if I find anything that'll be cool, but mostly I want to make sure every name stays in the debate.

[mormegil]

And let me start another accusation on flimsy grounds that will cost my neck for sure. Yes, I know he has expressed doubts about me, but does anyone else find morm being alive slightly curious? Unless we are dealing with a group of werecreatures that have never played with him before, out of FOUR kills, no-one thought of getting rid of that mormegil? he's a danger to them if he is an ordo, and he's even more perilious as a lover or a werething.

Yet I'm not going to say "lynch him because he survived"... just keep an eye on him.

I'm not all the way caught up but this caught my eye.

Okay, this makes me even more concerned about Farael. Allow me to explain, this is a very intelligent thing to do as a were-creature. Think about it! Farael has the power to kill anybody he wanted last night...or at least influence it as a lover but I suspect that he is the actual were-creature, and yet he's 'wondering' why I'm still alive. Perfect way to get rid of me without actually doing the job plus it will help distance himself from seeming guilty if/when I die.

[Holbytlass]

Farael
Fintaeph
Morm

Durelin
Holby
JennyHallu
Kath
Lhuna
Lommy
Mac
Rikae
Valier

As I was going through the thread looking for possible lover strategies when it occured to me that (assuming i have everyone's gender correct) there are more females than males.

I put out for discussion lynching the males first, it would take care of any female/male pairs and male/male pairs. Any innocent male would maybe consider this for the good of the village.

I'm not that good with numbers so I'm not sure if that would work with DAY/Night kills.

[Kath]

Umm, Holby I'm assuming you mean there are more females than males right?

I don't like to say much about the idea of lynching everyone from one gender. This isn't the first time such a plan has been suggested and it's always met with a lot of argument. In this case there are so few males left it might actually be viable, but I'd be loathe to lose morm if he's on our side, and I would for Fin to be able to play a while longer. I'm waiting to pass judgement on Farael, as I'm hoping he will calm down, but that said it is looking increasingly bad for him.

Thing is, if we go with a 'planed' lynch then everyone who takes part in it basically has a get out of jail free card. If they're pointed out for having voted for someone who it has been decided shall be lynched, all they need to say is that they were following the plan.

morm, yes I caught that from Farael as well. Problem is that it's a two-way street. He's right, the longer you're left alive the more suspicious you will look, but that doesn't necessarily mean that he's the Werecreature keeping you alive, it could be any of them. And the same holds true whether you be innocent or guilty.

[Macalaure]

And let me start another accusation on flimsy grounds that will cost my neck for sure. Yes, I know he has expressed doubts about me, but does anyone else find morm being alive slightly curious? Unless we are dealing with a group of werecreatures that have never played with him before, out of FOUR kills, no-one thought of getting rid of that mormegil? he's a danger to them if he is an ordo, and he's even more perilious as a lover or a werething. That is a bad argument. If morm would be suspicious automatically if he survives only one night he would never see the end of a game, which is just unfair. I could see your point if the werethings could work together, but they can't. Four (or three if he's guilty) pairs indepentantly made the decision not to go for morm. Why should opposing couples spare him, even if he is a lover?

Holby, I'm quite male actually. ;)
(Macalaure is Quenya for Maglor)
It's four males and eight females. I doubt there's a male-male-pair given these numbers. But if there's one female-female-pair, then two of four males are guilty and four of eight females are guilty. This makes lynching the males first not a real advantage.

[JennyHallu]

Macalaure...

#10 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=495302&postcount=10)

Mac was certainly not the first person to post, nor the last. Nothing seems odd to me about his post placement.

This post seems mostly noncommital. He discusses possibilities for the behavior of the were-creatures and their lovers, but concludes with two widely disparate theories, and doesn't put more weight on either. He says not to look for pairs on the early days, but brings up the possibility that it will be more useful later. He bemoans Lhuna's random vote, but says he'll let it pass.

I think it is safe to say that we are looking at the post of a careful player, but it doesn't really point to what role he might have.

Reactions to this post:
Naria (WERECAT)- doesn't like an "if" post to be a day one/first post. Thinks it looks shady. The beauty of hindsight...now this response looks shady itself. A careful poster, a cautious poster, these things Mac certainly was, but an "if" poster? I don't see it.
Lommy - agrees with Naria, votes Mac. Says she dislikes the fact that his post is from the were-creature's POV.
Nogrod (WATCHER)- mentions it raises questions, doesn't really add anything.

#29 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=495385&postcount=29)

Asks, rhetorically, what is so suspicious about trying to see the werecreatures' point of view. Mentions suspicion of Farael, for questioning things Mac finds trivial, and suspicion of Rune for being overly aggressive in attacking Farael.

Again, seems to be a careful post...short and to the point, unlike Mac's usual eloquence. But again, nothing seems really suspicious, except that I would have protested more to three people thinking I was suspicious. That might just be me, I tend to be really defensive, but it's a thought.

Reactions:
Nogrod (WATCHER) - backs off his suspicion of Mac a little...well, he says he's uncomfortable with his reasons for that suspicion.

#35 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=495395&postcount=35)

Votes for Rune, to widen the field. Still doesn't say much.

Reactions:
arcticstorm (WERECAT LOVER)- asks Mac to elaborate on why he finds Rune suspicious, says he does not.

Mac does not show up again for the remainder of the day, which doesn't really worry me, as he's already voted.

I'll come back later, and may or may not continue with Mac's posts. Depends. I will say that I feel better about how vocal he is today compared to yesterday.

[Macalaure]

An analysis of me!

Again, seems to be a careful post...short and to the point, unlike Mac's usual eloquence. But again, nothing seems really suspicious, except that I would have protested more to three people thinking I was suspicious. That might just be me, I tend to be really defensive, but it's a thought.
Jenny calls me careful, Lommy calls me soft. You're either lovers - or right. I like to play aggressive and edgy, but only if I have something to play this way with. I only had weak suspicions yet and I don't like to accuse somebody loudly if I'm not sure about it.
I used to defend myself quite vehemently in my past games, that's true. However, I grew familiar with the feeling of being suspected. I don't know what it is, but I always attract the suspicion of two or three people on the first day. It doesn't bother me that much any more.
Thanks for calling me eloquent. :)

I forgot to answer arctic's question. I found Rune a little suspicious because of his aggressive yet unfounded and regretting vote for Farael. I didn't like the Farael-waggon and so I went with the only other person I felt bad about.

[Farael]

That is a bad argument. If morm would be suspicious automatically if he survives only one night he would never see the end of a game, which is just unfair. I could see your point if the werethings could work together, but they can't. Four (or three if he's guilty) pairs indepentantly made the decision not to go for morm. Why should opposing couples spare him, even if he is a lover?
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See, the thing is, my argument is based on the fact that the werethings are NOT working together. If he was indeed on one of the three evil teams remaning, the odds of him getting eaten at night decrease. You say, why should opposing couples spare him? I ask, howcome they DID spare him?

And I'm not saying condemn him yet, I'm saying keep an eye on him, because as much as he is a powerfull ally, he is much more of a dangerous enemy.

As for Holby... c'mon, kill all the males? with this ratios Diamond would be rather unwise not to have a few same-sex couples... while I'm not privy to her thoughts, by systematically killing all males we guarantee that a few werethings will survive FOUR days. If they don't kill each other by night, we'll give them a HUGE advantage. Also, systematically doing ANYTHING helps the baddies, as they KNOW what we will do not only on a specific day but also on days to come and they can plan accordingly.

Having said so, I do not hold this alone against Holby, it may look like a good idea and it has been proposed before.

But it does add up to my existing doubts about her... after all, she IS a her.

[Macalaure]

See, the thing is, my argument is based on the fact that the werethings are NOT working together. If he was indeed on one of the three evil teams remaning, the odds of him getting eaten at night decrease. You say, why should opposing couples spare him? I ask, howcome they DID spare him?
Three or four doesn't alter the chances dramatically. Maybe they were afraid the ranger would protect him. Look at the kills: arctic, Kitanna, Rune and Nogrod. Except Nogrod, those weren't especially daring picks.

[Farael]

Three or four doesn't alter the chances dramatically. Maybe they were afraid the ranger would protect him. Look at the kills: arctic, Kitanna, Rune and Nogrod. Except Nogrod, those weren't especially daring picks.
I concede there, you have a point that the other picks weren't too daring, but I still think that otherwise it may have made enough of a difference.

I admit, it's an unfair statement to say "he's alive, he's too smart to be alive, so kill him" but at times it MAY just be true.

This place is dead and I may have to vote soon... :rolleyes:

[Holbytlass]

Lhuna for Farael (Farael 1)
Thinlo for Mac (Farael 3, Macalaure 1)
Macalaure for Rune (Farael 4, Macalaure 1, Rune 1)
JennyHallu for Valier (Farael 4, Macalaure 1, Rune 1, Valier 1)
Valier for JennyHallu (Farael 4, Macalaure 1, Rune 1, Valier 1, Menel 1, Jenny 1)
Durelin for Kitanna (Farael 4, Macalaure 1, Rune 1, Valier 1, Menel 1, Jenny 1, Kitanna 1)

While werecreatures are known to bandwagon, it is also a safe position to vote for someone first.

Lhuna (the very first) vote for Fareal. A random vote for someone who hadn't even posted yet let alone rubbed some people the wrong way. In and of itself not suspicious, especially with hertimezone issues.

Lommy for Mac. Had suspicions about him and kept with the vote.

Mac for Rune. had suspicions kept with the vote, sus of Fareal but wanted competition for lynching

Jenny for Valier. came on late (RL issue) saw that Valier was as speechless as her and voted Valier.

Valier for Jenny. in seemingly retaliation

Durelin for Kittana. finds Kitt "under the radar" and votes for her.

Other than as I stated voting for someone first is a safe position (can't be accused of bandwaggoning) the only ones that stand out is the Jenny/Valier voting as Morm had pointed out.

Neither were high on anyone's suspicion list and both voted for each other for not posting much. Could be the female/female team. So these two are now high on my suspect list.

P.S. sorry Mac for the gender mix-up.

[mormegil]

This has always been an unfortunate stigma that some have such as SpM and I. I've never enjoyed it but I will play through it.

Farael, I still hold you guilty but think you may be onto something with Holby. I know her well and sense and perceive some cracks in her behavior that indicate that she is guilty. If I have time I will look back over her posts myself.

[JennyHallu]

I'm sorry, Holby, but you misunderstood the reason for my vote. I did not vote for Valier for any reason other than random vote. The 'speechless' thing comes from her phrasing at the beginning of her first post. It was a joke.

[Fintaeph]

I'm at RL work, so I only have a quick moment to post. Something I'm wondering about is that we seem to be focussing on only a few people: Farael and Holby and morm (did I miss anyone?). Nothing here today has really changed my suspicion of Farael (he's still as hard to pin down as ever), and while I'm starting to be infected by the general distrust around Holby, I think I'm mostly taking other people's opinions for it, nothing of my own. I still get nothing from morm. I guess what I'm saying is that the discussion seems to be going in circles, and it's the same circles as Day 1. Is this normal for Day 2? What about the other 9 people (myself included, of course)?

I'm not sure what I'm looking for, but I'm getting this feeling like I have blinders on, and am being led around. I don't much like it. I am alone here?

[Farael]

Well, I can't postpone it much longer and still know that I'll get a vote in. I may be able to come back online before the deadline, but then I may not, so I'm going to cast my vote now. It's not likely to change anyway.

++Holbytlass

Her last post was a bit more involved, but still too innocuous (hope I'm using the right word.... lots of words but very little meaning). She mildly suggests that Valier and Jenny may be a female/female team, which may have some truth to it, but it's still not what I'd like to see from her to change my mind.

I think that Morm is sincere, but I wouldn't count him out just yet. If he has such a reputation, it's exactly because he's able to seem sincere while being guilty. NOT condemning evidence, just a word of caution.

Fintaeph also looks sincere to me, if he's a baddie he's doing an awfully good* job at it.

And something I just noticed
Lhuna's Lover Jenny not mine, he was just trying to get me killed.

Well, you WERE a werewolf after all... I DID have inside information, but that does not make you less guilty :p

Anyway, there's not a lot to add since my last post... I hope I'll manage to get another post in before the end of the Day, but at least I can have my conscience calm that I voted.

Edit: *Wrote "awful" rather than "awfully good" which is what I meant to write.

[Thinlómien]

Holby and other possible mistakers: please don't call Kitanna Kittana, because "kittana" means too small or to short (of a cloth) in Finnish (or actually in a certain Finnish dialect) and it keeps bugging me... :p

Okay. Half of us are evil. Which half? I made this to make myself believe that there are really six baddies amongst us. I thought I could post it as well.

If I had to say which six are evil
Holby
Mac
morm
Farael
Durelin
Valier

If I had to say which six are innocent
Lommy
Kath
Lhuna
Fintaeph
Rikae
Jenny

Now this does not mean I suspect the first six and trust the last six. I wish it was so, but it's not that easy. That was only if I had to make the categories.

Now, I'll elaborate a little:
Holby - As I (and many others) have said before her vote was odd. To me it looked like joining a bandwagon for the sake of joining a bandwagon. Her proposal of the male-lynch tactics (which I'd consider a good one in a way, since generally speaking the males are quite suspicious) had a point per se, but she presented it in a manner and in such a situation that I couldn't help thinking she was a baddie being too sure of her doom too early wishing to hinder the village. It was somehow thrown out of nowhere to nowhere, if you get my point. It just felt wrong.

Mac - I stick to my earlier concerns. (Post #67) His explanations don't convince me.

morm - I honestly can't understand from where has all this trust towards him emerged from. I can't see anything especially trust-inspiring him, rather the opposite. He keeps throwing in overtly-complicated theories and is a bit paranoid (no offense meant). And I know this is not a good argument, but I feel he's evil.

Farael - Again, what I said earlier in #67. But I'm actaully growing less suspicious of him. Today he's made much more sense than yesterday.

Durelin - Again, check #67.

Valier and Jenny fall both to "hard to grasp" category. Of these ladies, it is very difficult to say which one is more suspicious. Neither strikes me as very suspicious and neither strikes me as innocentish either.

Kath - Though I disagree with her on some points, she seems overall quite innocentish and doesn't ring my alarms.

Lhuna - It's mostly a feeling that she's innocent, but her reasonableness speaks strongly for it too.

Fin - Gives me an innocent feel, not very sure about him though. Makes some good and innocentish points.

Rikae - Can't say anything really, so doesn't ring my alarms and thus belongs to this category.

EDIT: xed with Farael

[Macalaure]

Lommy, if you don't think you can put people into two groups... then... don't! :p

Most of your reasons are only based on feelings. A little too much for my taste, especially if you divide the village like that.

About your reasons for Holby: Her suggestion of lynching males only made sense if she is either an innocent or a lover of another female. I don't get your point.

How can you put Rikae in any group?

Hahaha, if I were you I wouldn't trust your hunches about me, remembering the last game... I no longer need to.

[Fintaeph]

Well, I started the day with suspicion of Farael and Valier. Holby is also presently on my radar, and I'm willing to be convinced about her. However, I'll look at her later today.

I've just read over the logs, and I don't think I can post anything coherent about Farael that hasn't already been said. He's all over the place. That said, I too, find myself suspecting him less and less. Not sure why. Perhaps he is hypnotizing me. Farael, if you eat me tonight, I hope you get indigestion. :-P

Valier is bugging me, though. She's been saying just enough to appear present, and not really enough to endanger herself (#27, #42, #59). (Okay, you could accuse me of that, too, I guess.) But I can't shake this distrust of her. And as much as it feels totally stupid to put any stock in this, she did post first after last Night, and, I don't know, something felt *off* about the way she said it. I think it's the first line that's bugging me:


Are you freakin' kidding me? Five dead people.


We all knew there would probably be four dead by morning, as there were four pairs on the loose. Five isn't that much of a stretch. And two of them *were* evil. "Methinks she doth protest too much." Maybe it felt like that was her way of trying to cover her impatience to post after the carnage she had caused. Gloating, that's it, it kind of felt like she was gloating.

Or I could just be being paranoid.

But then there's that vote yesterday: tit for tat. Seems a strange way to play, especially when a bandwagon was already rolling. It would have been easy to dilute the vote for her by voting for Farael. As it was, her vote for Jenny seemed useless, and her reasons did not seem intended to convince anyone to join her. If Jenny and Valier were a pair, it might make some sense to start a public argument. And yet I don't really find myself distrusting Jenny. So what does it mean?

Anyway, it's not enough on it's own, but it did make a lot of people suspicious of her (Nogrod, mormegil, Macaluare, others?).

Is this enough to get me to vote for her today? I don't know. Maybe. All my suspicions are still pretty nebulous. Other than the one last night, I don't think she's posted toDay. If she does, maybe I'll have more to work from.

I'll try to go over Holby's posts later, and see what I can get from them. For now, it's back to the grind. :-(

[Thinlómien]

All quotes by Mac:

Lommy, if you don't think you can put people into two groups... then... don't! :p The main point was trying to help myself hammer into my consciousness that there really are that many evil people here. I don't know about others, but for me it's difficult to grasp; you can always suspect half of the village, but to really know half are evil is a whole different matter.

Most of your reasons are only based on feelings. A little too much for my taste. . .I'm all too conscious of that. But at this point and with this many baddies around I just lack the evidence and the ability to focus.

About your reasons for Holby: Her suggestion of lynching males only made sense if she is either an innocent or a lover of another female. I don't get your point.Most probably (and I was thinking mainly about that female-lover thing), but she could always be a cunning lover of a male and propose that anticipating her suggestion would not be agreed with. Or then she's a lover of a male and wanted to play time. The problem with this (and werewolf in general) is that you can never discount any possibility.

How can you put Rikae in any group?By being suspicious than trusting about most of people. I did not divide the people to ones I turst and ones I distrust and they just didn't happen to both neatly include six persons: my starting point was that there will be six in each category, and the suspicios category just got filled up more quickly, if you understand what I'm trying to say.

I have to vote soon (it's nearing midnight here and I need to go to school early in the morning tomorrow) and I'm now off to reread the thread and think more about all this.

[Holbytlass]

Lommy[/B]]Holby and other possible mistakers: please don't call Kitanna Kittana, because "kittana" means too small or to short (of a cloth) in Finnish (or actually in a certain Finnish dialect) and it keeps bugging me... :p
Sorry, must remember to put in one "t".Hhm, maybe you are the werebear/lover that killed Kitanna because she was too small and it bugged you? :D

i shall not be here for the rest of the evening, come see pink oliphaunts on parade (RL Halloween festivities).

i'm torn between voting for Fareal and Valier. Valier because she already has a vote and i would like to see if ther is anything to the Valier/Jenny squabble.
Fareal, well because it's never fun to be suspected so vehemently by someone with a "first day" hunch. I'm afraid that the only thing that will come of either of our deaths is that we are proven not to be lovers.

On one hand, if Fareal was wicked he could've killed me last night, but on the other it's sometimes easier for a wicked person to hide in the open by going after one person with bulldog tenacity.

++Valier

[Kath]

I think I'm going to have to vote now. It's quite likely that I'll be around later but it's also quite likely that I won't be.

So:

++FARAEL

Why? A number of reasons. One is that having read his posts from yesterDay and toDay I can understand now why others found him so suspicious. He posts as though he had inside knowledge, which since we know that he cannot be the Seer suggests he's not on our side. He attacks, forcing others to take on a defensive posture, and then uses that automatic reaction to push the case further, meaning that's it's not based on the merits of evidence. And, we've spent two Days debating him already. Enough.

[Thinlómien]

While rereading I found nothing special, but grew less suspicious of Durelin and more suspicious of Lhuna.

Of Lhuna I can't provide an exact quote, but she kind of fell from the almost trustworthy-category to the not-maybe-evil -category while I reread her triple-post.

Durelin said: And ooh, there are more votes left than I thought. Things might get more interesting yet...The fact itself that she says this plus the way she says it somehow make me think that she's probably innocent after all.

A vote to come very soon, not yet sure for who, though... :confused:

EDIT: xed with Kath

[Thinlómien]

I keep having my eye on a suspicious gentleman called

++Macalaure

though I feel my case will seem too feeble to others to get him lynched. So, this is more kind of a principle-vote. *sigh*

Of others I considered voting morm too, but he seems a bit less suspicious to me than Mac.

I might have voted Jenny or Valier too if I had heard more of them. Speak up, you two please. This applies Rikae too, of whom I must say is really unfair if she's a baddie.

And I wouldn't be so sad to see Farael or Holby dead either.

Now, it's anyway out of my hands for toDay. Let's hope it's a baddie who dies toDay, otherwise we'll be in a big bad trouble.

Good N/night!

[JennyHallu]

I need to vote...a friend's coming over and I don't know how long she'll be here.


++Holbytlass

She just seems the least like her usual self.

[Kath]

Of Lhuna I can't provide an exact quote, but she kind of fell from the almost trustworthy-category to the not-maybe-evil -category while I reread her triple-post.
There it is! That's what was missing, the famous Lommy flip-flopping. Are we getting a reason for this one?

I'm hopping off for good now. Let's hope we have a better Night of it and wake up to more innocents than evils.

[Macalaure]

Farael -> Holbytlass
Holbytlass -> Valier
Kath -> Farael
Thinlómien -> Macalaure
JennyHallu -> Holbytlass(2)

Five votes for four people already. Keep in mind we have six baddies! The more we spread the votes, the more power we give to them.

It's getting late and I need to vote now. Though I would prefer voting Lommy, I don't want to add another name. I'm less suspicious about Farael and Holby at the moment.

++Valier

Her vote yesterday was strange and she did nothing to make me less suspicious today.

[Fintaeph]

Well, I've gone over Holby's posts, and there is certainly more to talk about than with Valier.

The day one posts seem pretty pointless, to be honest, so I'll just gloss over them. In #13, Holby posted her list of who to suspect, based on their stated occupation. Farael jumps on it and decides he wants her lynched. By the end of the day, several people have voted for Farael for his crusade (Lhuna, Rune, Morm, and Menel), and others have put him on their watch list. Holby gets no votes at all.

Today, things have heated up a bit.

In #72, Holby expresses what could be jury remorse over the lynching of Menel. Before she posts again, Farael posts that he suspects her because she defended herself. I'm happy to report he doesn't seem to have applied the same standard to me. :-)

In #79, Holby suggests the village lynch the males, as there aren't many of us left, and so a disproportionate number of us are likely evil. Feedback on the idea is generally negative. Farael particularly dislikes the idea, and Holby for suggesting it. To be honest, I wasn't particularly happy with the idea myself. :-) General feeling on the idea was that it would be unfair, and not necessarily productive (as it would take too long, seemed to be the gist).

In #87, Holby provides a brief analysis of the previous Day's voting, and the stated reasons for each vote, looking for possible conspiracies between pairs. She suggests Jenny & Valier might be working together.

Finally, a few minutes ago, Holby acts on her suspicion of Valier and votes for her, then signs off for the evening.

Over the course of today, a number of people have expressed doubts about Holby's behaviour. morm, Jenny, and Lhuna, in particular, think she may be acting a bit out of character. As I write this, Holby has two votes, one from Farael, the other from Jenny.


So, what does it all mean? Well, personally, I'm feeling a little wary of her. People who know her think she is acting strangely, and that could be significant. OTOH, I followed that reasoning yesterday, and ended up killing a friend.

Farael's vote does nothing to convince me. If he hadn't voted for her, I'd have lynched him for wasting my time two days in a row. :-)

Jenny's vote was about a gut feeling, but I can't help wonder about Jenny's potential connection to Valier, who I am really beginning to believe is a were creature of some sort.

At present, for me, Holby's behaviour doesn't rise above Farael's for suspiciousness, and I'm seriously considering voting for Valier as a result. As much as the two of them seem destined to be lynched, I can't help but feel it would be at the cost of ignoring a real and present threat.

[mormegil]

++Lommy

She just seems to spread random accusations based on feelings and flips too often for my tastes...granted this is a sudden flip for me but I'm torn about Farael as I remember him a couple times as innocent and rash and well, he's being rash this game too. Holby has thrown some red flags up but if I can normally detect if she's guilty and while there are some signs I just don't get the overwhelming feeling at this point.

Sorry I haven't been able to read as much or do as much research as is normal but RL work and trick or treating with my daughter has made it difficult.

[Valier]

Well I get home from work and already I have votes against me.... Shame, because I am innocent, but hey I know my word won't count for anything. :rolleyes:
My vote for Jenny yesterday was just as random as everyone elses and I think it is funny that people have thought what I posted was weird. I always post on the first day with silly posts, I hate trying to be all serious. I am still reading through everything and I will be back to share my thoughts on everyone....I better hurry the day is almost done.....(darn busy day!!)

[Valier]

Well since I'm home now I have time to post so I don't care if I double post. I find it strange that people are condeming me for my vote for Jenny yesterday. I will not defend myself against this. As I said it was a random Day 1 vote, I was just thinking of Jenny and went to post and she posted at that time, I thought it weird so I just voted. I was the first to post on this day meerly because I was in bed early and at work all day until just awhile ago, so it's not strange that I posted first, I just had no other time to do it.

I would like to say that Farael and Holby seem to me to be a Lover couple. Holby's votes for me today because I already have a vote....that's odd since she was the first one to vote for me. Farael votes for her, which would work good for him to make him look good and risk being killed with her, a bold move, but I can see it from Farael.

Macalaure seems a little ....aggressive. I am not sure about him yet, but I am almost certain he is bad.

Lhuna I am adding with this group as well as Jenny and Durelin. I have some suspisions of these three, but am not sure why yet. I will keep an eye on them for now.

Fin.....I must say I think you are just a confused Ordo. You have never played with me and don't know my style, as I do not know yours. But all the points you brought up about me are pretty...well lame. I put Lommy, Kath, Morm and Rikae here as well because I believe them to be Ordo's...well for now anyways, things may change. I will not vote just yet as I would like to hear some more from people before I vote, but I am going to vote for either Farael or Holby, unless something big sways me, which I highly doubt.

[Durelin]

Sorry, I had some ghouls and ghosts to deal with.

So, I will take but one sentence to explain my vote: I thought Farael was/is innocent, so didn't want to vote for him, and I thought Menel was innocent, too, and he was the other person garnering suspicions.

Well, things are quite messy.

Personally, I kinda like Holby's plan. Except that Holby might have a female lover.

I can't believe it, but I'm actually thinking of going with Farael and voting Holby.

I wish I had more time to go over things, but I don't, and I know inaction not only gathers suspicion but doesn't accomplish anything (though it also means you aren't participating in lynching a possible innocent). So I feel I must vote anyway.

++Holby

[mormegil]

Have we still not heard from Rikae? That means he/she didn't speak yesterday at all and nothing today either. What does everybody think about it or believe we should do? I'm a bit annoyed because it gives us no solid evidence of guilt of innocence. I dislike lynching somebody who doesn't speak but on the other hand it's obnoxious and could be a nasty strategy...likely obnoxious.

[Valier]

I think Mormegil that Rikae may have mixed up the day and night. But in her first game she was very talkative so it is weird and unnerving that she has not posted...and there is still Lhuna, Fin, and Rikae, plus me left to vote.

[Fintaeph]

After last night's allnighter, I'm pretty much toast. Which means I could be thinking very poorly today. Still, I can't shake the Valier thing. So:

++Valier

[Valier]

without further ado.....

++Holby

I do believe she is a lover if not a werecreature. If I be wrong, I will move everyones furniture two feet to the left tomorrow. :D

[Diamond18]

deadline time

The narration won't be up for another couple hours.

However, Lovers may start PMing and whatnot.

[Rikae]

I was preparing a long post and missed the deadline yet again.
See assigned to Mordor for some explanation.
If I can still vote:
++Morm

[Diamond18]

Moderator note: Only posts and votes before the deadline count. Posting after the deadline potentially skews the game and is unfair to the other players so please do not do it. If you've missed it, you've missed it.

--

The villagers turned on Holbytlass, determining to kill her. Farael wisely leapt to fasten a gag over her mouth so that she could not whisper for the Oliphaunts to come to her rescue. Just before she was silenced Holby protested that Valier should be the one to die instead. Mac and Fintaeph agreed, but it was not enough. Jenny, Durelin, and Valier ignored the suggestion and joined Farael's cause.

"One, two, three, four votes for Holby," counted Jenny. "Eh eh eh eh."

Durelin struck a tragic pose, then struck Holby across the cheek with a pair of leather gauntlets. "I say we burn, burn, burn! the evildoer at the stake!" she cried, shaking one fist dramatically.

Valier agreed and proceeded to arrange the logs for the fire as the others lashed Holby to a pole.

Fintaeph, meanwhile, began to pace nervously and gnaw on his fingernails. From time to time he ventured, "Wouldn't you rather kill Valier instead?" But the others ignored him and went about their work, till finally the bonfire was ready.

"Fare thee well," said Durelin, lighting a match with thespian flare. She dropped it on the tinder and stepped back as the pile of wood burst into flame.

Holby made stressful noises from behind her gag, flailing as the fire snaked its way towards her. Just as it caught the hem of her dress and began to singe her flesh, Fintaeph gave a sudden cry of anguish that turned midway into a rageful screech. He leapt forward and took flight, rushing to snatch Holby up in his talons.

She was well-tied to the poll, however, and he was delayed for a few crucial moments as he sought to gnaw her bonds free with his beak. He got her free, but not before the hungry flames had raced up her body to catch hold of the Werebird's feathers.

The Elves watched in mingled horror and fascination as the Werebird rose from the flames, phoenix-like, and flew off into the desert with the still burning Holby in tow. Alas for the lovers, neither of them were the actual phoenix and instead of rising to new lives, they crashed and burned into a sand dune on the outskirts of the oasis.

~*~*~*~

The Living Elves:

Lommy - Ostrich Chaser
Mac - Builder of Gibbets, unemployed for millennia
Kath - Flower Girl
JennyHallu - Countess
Valier - Arranger
Durelin - Lead Tragic Actor
morm - City Street Cleaner
Lhuna - Beautiful Girl with Sleeping Sickness
Farael - Patient suffering from Mad Elf Disease
Rikae - Contortionist

The Dead 'Uns

tgwbs - Tragic Elven Hero and Lover of Diamond - (co-mod) - Stabbed himself eight times and subsequently eaten by the Werebird

Diamond - Elven Maid - (mod) - Crushed in the embrace of the Werebear

Menel - Mad Scientist - (ordo) - Beaten with an undead leg and a chamber pot and stabbed with red hot tongs (Day 1)

Nogrod - a Smith of the Billmarins - (watcher) - Savagely murdered by the Werecat and devoured in the long grass (Night 2)

Arctic Storm - Raving Alcoholic, Resident Moocher, and Lover of Naria - (lover) - Devoured head first by the Werebird (Night 2)

Naria - Lemba Baker - (werecat) - Dashed out her brains on the Ringbearer's Rock (Night 2)

Kitanna - One Legged Chambermaid - (ordo) - Ripped in two by the Werebear (Night 2)

Rune - Humungous Fungus Grower - (ordo) - Minced up into fertilizer by the Werewolf (Night 2)

Holbytlass - Oliphaunt Whisperer and Lover of Fintaeph - (lover) - Burned at the stake (Day 2)

Fintaeph - Mutton Herder and Purveyor of Fine-Quality Undead Prosthetic Limbs - (werebird) - Died a fiery death trying to save his lover from the flames

[Diamond18]

After the light show the Elves retreated to their homes, oohing and aahing as they reflected upon the evening's entertainment. But they knew that evil still lurked in the shadows, so they bolted their doors soundly.

If only they all had the good sense to stay indoors.

Lommy awoke in the middle of the night and sensed something was amiss. She peered out her window and saw that her ostrich pen was empty, and gasped. For a moment she wondered if she should go out, but decided to throw caution to the wind. She donned a red hood and ran outside to see a stray ostrich frolicking in the moonlight. Lommy chased after it, but when she caught up with it, she noticed something strange.

"My, Ostrich, what big hairy feet you have," she observed.

"All the better to run away with," the Ostrich replied, coyly shuffling to the side.

Lommy was unable to resist a good chase. "My, Ostrich," she said as she followed it, "what big hairy ears you have!"

"Uh huh," said the Ostrich, luring Lommy into a dark alley. "Whatever."

"And my! Ostrich, what big teeth you have!" Lommy gasped.

"Bwah ha ha ha ha!" said the pseudo-Ostrich, and threw off its costume to reveal the menacing visage of the Werewolf. "All the better to eat you with!"

"Eeeeee!" cried Lommy, turning to run. But it was too late. The Werewolf chased her down and leapt upon her, growling triumphantly as it engulfed her in its massive jaws. There was a sickening crunching noise as the wolf softened her skeletal frame up, then came a noisy slurping as the flesh and blood went down. Finally, a burp.

An Elf came up and offered the wolf a napkin, running Elven hands threw wolfish fur and cooing, "Was she a tasty morsel? Is my love all full?"

JennyHallu sat back and sighed, "Ah, my MormyWolf, how do I love thee? Let me count the ways...."

Suddenly, this tender moment of sated hunger and mathematical affection was interrupted by a rumbling growl from afar. MormWolf snapped to attention. He crept to the end of the alley and looked both ways. Suddenly, he noticed a piece of trash lying on the street, and his wolfish ears perked up in indignation. He went to pick it up and put it in the trash, where such things belong, not cluttering up the street thank you very much!

As soon as that was cleaned up, he noticed another piece, and went to clean that up too. And then there was another, and another, and another! Morm ran from pile of rubbish to trash to pile of rubbish to trash, growling to himself about how he was going to eat each and every one of those filthy Elves.

As he was doing this, he heard a blood-curdling scream from back in the alley. He turned and ran back as fast as he could, but he was too late! When he reached the alley he found Jenny scattered about in little pieces, more pieces than even she could have counted.

He rocked back on his haunches and let loose a howl of agony. The Werebear had been and gone! Too late he realized that the trash was put there by the Werebear's lover to lure him away! Horror! Shock! Let this be a lesson to all neat freaks!

Anyway, Morm was devastated and lost all hope for life. The usual. He lay down amongst the pieces of Jenny and sighed his last. Not even the Ranger could save him from his own despair.

In the morning the Elves found him dead, and no one was quite sure if he had died of a broken heart or Lommy induced indigestion.

~*~*~*~

The Living Elves:

Mac - Builder of Gibbets, unemployed for millennia
Kath - Flower Girl
Valier - Arranger
Durelin - Lead Tragic Actor
Lhuna - Beautiful Girl with Sleeping Sickness
Farael - Patient suffering from Mad Elf Disease
Rikae - Contortionist

The Dead 'Uns

tgwbs - Tragic Elven Hero and Lover of Diamond - (co-mod) - Stabbed himself eight times and subsequently eaten by the Werebird

Diamond - Elven Maid - (mod) - Crushed in the embrace of the Werebear

Menel - Mad Scientist - (ordo) - Beaten with an undead leg and a chamber pot and stabbed with red hot tongs (Day 1)

Nogrod - a Smith of the Billmarins - (watcher) - Savagely murdered by the Werecat and devoured in the long grass (Night 2)

Arctic Storm - Raving Alcoholic, Resident Moocher, and Lover of Naria - (lover) - Devoured head first by the Werebird (Night 2)

Naria - Lemba Baker - (werecat) - Dashed out her brains on the Ringbearer's Rock (Night 2)

Kitanna - One Legged Chambermaid - (ordo) - Ripped in two by the Werebear (Night 2)

Rune - Humungous Fungus Grower - (ordo) - Minced up into fertilizer by the Werewolf (Night 2)

Holbytlass - Oliphaunt Whisperer and Lover of Fintaeph - (lover) - Burned at the stake (Day 2)

Fintaeph - Mutton Herder and Purveyor of Fine-Quality Undead Prosthetic Limbs - (werebird) - Died a fiery death trying to save his lover from the flames

Lommy - Ostrich Chaser - (ordo) - Lured into a dark alley and devoured by the Werewolf

JennyHallu - Countess and Lover of mormegil - (lover) - Ripped apart and scattered in countless pieces by the Werebear

Mormegil - City Street Cleaner - (werewolf) - Despaired and died amongst the shreds of his lover

[Farael]

Ahhh I've been waiting all night to do this.... and now that even Morm has been proven to be a baddie, I feel even more compelled to say....

I told you so, I told you so, I told you so...

*ahem*

At least there are some good news now... our multiple-lovers game has just turned into a reduced werewolf game. There are TWO baddies working as a team and the rest of us are ordos. Is there a ranger around too? doesn't matter anyway, since we have no way of KNOWING who's an ordo other than ourselves (if we are ordos indeed).

Honestly, my next traget was going to be the Valier/Jenny combo, yet it is (obviously) not a good idea anymore :p

Now, here's an interesting idea... Diamond explicitly said that she would not go after the silent ones.... if we don't hear from Rikae today, what about we lynch her? I know she seems to be having RL issues, but unless someone else seems to be more lynch-worthy (me perhaps? c'mon, let's face it, you know that EVEN THOUGH I WAS DEAD RIGHT you still want to) we might as well get rid of that doubt.

Just my two cents.... a perhaps stupid comment early on the (Game)Day

[Macalaure]

Funny to see that every time a were-creature dies, it does so by the loss of his/her lover.

So now it's 2 guys and 5 girls. I will take a very close look at Farael for this reason, but the probability that the last couple is female only is quite high. I would advise everybody to look close at Farael and me, but don't limit yourselves. Unless the ranger is successful, we have two more days to get the last lover pair. If you use these two days to kill me and Farael, the village loses.

Having said that, I hope Valier will elaborate on the why of her suspicions of yesterday. Valier's hunches are valuable if she's innocent, but we cannot verify that unless we lynch her. We could go by her hunch today and lynch her tomorrow if she was wrong, but I do not think this is a good strategy. I'd like to hear a little reason from Valier, and then we'll see.

Looking at Farael, why do you suggest to go for Rikae so early? The only other person to be so rash with this before was MormWolf. She seems to want to participate, but is hindered. If she doesn't show up today, then maybe we could try it this way and lynch her, but I think we should wait. As Valier said, Rikae is very valuable when actually around.

[Kath]

You know I can see the logic in lynching Rikae. We have had 2 Days now and she has only shown up just after the deadline each time I think. If this were any other game she would have been killed by modfire already. If she doesn't show up by around halfway through toDay with this long post she was promising then a lynch might be a good idea. However, this is only if we don't find a more suitable candidate.

Also, I'm not sure that we should focus on the males. It is quite likely that the last pair is female only although there is nothing to say that it isn't male/female or male/male for that matter. Whatever the case, we need to focus on the individuals.

That said, I think Mac is guilty. I don't know why though, it's just a feeling I got this morning. I'm going to go back through his posts later, see if I can work it out. I won't have that up for a while though.

[Rikae]

,I've finally untwisted myself and am able to participate - apparently just in time!

Farael looks very suspicious & has since day one, it appears. He does seem eager to shift the blame.
I don't think Mac is guilty, merely because he seems much the same as in the last game - logical, reasonable and full of flattery. Of course, Werebears are known for their honied tongues, so I wouldn't rule him out.
Kath, your post seems to cover all bases - very safe.

The long post I was composing yesterday mainly explained my suspicions of Morm, and is therefore, obviously, out of date. I'll be back after school (before 3 EST). That's a promise. (And what's that worth, the promise of a woman? You're very funny, Highness!)

[Macalaure]

Farael:

On the first day he goes straight after Holbytlass. I found it strange and weak-reasoned, but he turned out right. He repeats his suspicion several times and it attracts not few suspicion from others. What I'm asking myself is: is that how a lover would act? To be so outspoken with a point which is likely to not attract a huge followership? Hard to believe, but who knows. Maybe he thought he would look even more suspicious if he didn't act like that, because many here know how he usually plays.
Other than that he refuses to go for Lhuna, which would have been very transparent indeed. His vote for Menel is only logical.

Next day he keeps at Holby's neck, now with some better reasoning. Good. He becomes suspicious of mormegil because morm was still alive. Now we know morm really was evil, but I insist that his reasoning was bad. It seems like his intuition is sharp.
He defends himself and his arguments much more than the day before. I guess he realised just how close it was for him on day 1, or maybe his lover did.
He votes for Holbytlass, early, as he said before.

Today he's very proud he was right about mormegil. I'm not sure what to think of this. Telling everybody "Look! I was right about a wolf! I'm innocent!"? What would wonder me more is why it was Jenny that he and his lover killed and not morm himself, though it would explain his happiness today.
He's quick to suggest lynching Rikae.


I'm picking at bones.
Yes, Farael does behave a little weird, but that is said to be his style. I can find nothing which looks doubtlessly evil to me, just some things that are questionable, but not overly.
I'm afraid I think him innocent. I'll be interested if somebody else finds something I overlooked.


logical, reasonable and full of flattery :D

[Lhunardawen]

I'm here. Sorry for the non-vote yesterDay. I'll do what I can in the very limited time I have right now, and will be back to vote more than an hour before the Day closes tomorrow.

For starters:

I was flirting with the idea Farael presented about Rikae, being reminded by a wolf named malkatoj in a village of old, but it's nice to hear from you now, Rikae. At least if we'll lynch you it should be with reasons other than your absence.

And I still stand by what I said the first time that we shouldn't consider genders at all. Okay, the other pairs were male-female, but a female-female pair might be the crazy mod's (:p) idea of a surprise this time. We'll be better off covering all bases and not being discriminating.

[Lhunardawen]

Okay, so morm killed Rune and Lommy. That means the remaining baddie killed Kitanna and Jenny. The question here now is why? And who would do it?

Both of them have been pretty vocal, though they both really didn't have very certain suspects before they died. Kitanna voted for Menel because nobody thus far had protected Farael, and thought he couldn't be the Lover in that case. Jenny voted for Valier because of her speechlessness, then the next day for Holby because she was acting weirdly. She also made an analysis of Mac, saying that he seemed careful but his being vocal yesterDay made her feel better.

I'm honestly not sure where this is supposed to go. But from past experience, I must say this is not looking good for Farael, in my perspective. Farael could have killed Kitanna, or as Lover prompted the Bear to do so, saying that it would be too obvious a set-up for him to be suspected to be behind it. It's a stretch, but it has happened before.

*yawn* It's seriously late over here already, and I'm sleepy. I hope some hours of sleep will help make things clearer for me. and more things said while I'm asleep to chew on when I wake up. I'll particularly be looking at Valier and Farael and Durelin, who has been quite dodgy as I see it. Good night everyone, play nice and don't fight.

*snores in a ladylike manner*

[Macalaure]

These are my current opinions.

Durelin: not sure, need to look at her again

Farael: more innocent than guilty

Kath: probably innocent

Lhuna: thought her innocent so far, but I'll have a second look at her

Rikae: one huge question mark

Valier: suspicious, but I'll wait for more input from her

Mac: as innocent as one does get :)


I will return later with some thoughts about Durelin and Lhuna.

[Farael]

Hey, I'm not quick to accuse Rikae, I just said that unless we have a clear candidate perhaps we should get rid of that question mark. Now she's said something, which is good, but she has said very little. I can play the waiting game today, I'm in no hurry to cast my vote.

Now, here's another far-fetched theory... the ones I like the most. Jenny was killed last night, right? Who would want to kill Jenny? Well, let's re-phrase that. Who would be benefited the most by Jenny's death?

I don't know if I'm the only one who was thinking that Valier and Jenny were an all-female team of baddies... but I believe at least SOMEONE mentioned that before.

Now, Valier knew she was not in a team with Jenny, thus if Jenny died perhaps most of the suspicion would be lifted. That's pretty beneficial for a werebear isn't it?

[Rikae]

Looking over the old posts ... what have we here? The werebear killed Kitanna on Night 2 and JennyHallu on Night3, as Lhuna helpfully points out.

On day 1, Kitanna was throwing quite a bit of suspicion in Farael's direction before switching to the (werecreature started) bandwagon for Menel.

Jenny, however, seemed mostly suspicious of Holby, who's now dead. I can't find anything in her posts that would point to who else would have seen her as a threat. Of course, it may be that the werebear targetted either or both of them not because of the victim's suspicions, but because s/he suspected her of being another werecreature/a lover/a gifted.
We have so little to go on.
I'm going to stick around & reread the thread yet again. The problem is, everyone either knows nothing, or only knows the status of one person, so there isn't much of a trail to follow.
One thing that comes to mind, though, is that the two remaining baddies don't really care who's lynched at this point, as long as they can protect themselves. Like baddies in any game, they are going to be most prone to quick accusations with flimsy reasoning than innocents, but beyond that, there's not much that's likely to distinguish them.

[Rikae]

Hmm, it also seems Jenny was throwing some suspicion in Mac's direction:
Again, seems to be a careful post...short and to the point, unlike Mac's usual eloquence. But again, nothing seems really suspicious, except that I would have protested more to three people thinking I was suspicious. That might just be me, I tend to be really defensive, but it's a thought.She didn't end up voting for him, but it's possible he may have been feeling some pressure after her long post analysing him (and saying she might continue).
I may have to look more closely at Mac.

[Macalaure]

Durelin:

Opens the first day with thoughts about the were-creatures in general. I agree with her points.
This is followed by her thoughts about everybody. Of the ones still alive she thought Farael played foolish and so did Lhuna, Valier and me. She votes Kitanna for flying under the radar.
She criticises Nogrod's approach as unfair towards Farael.

The next day she checks in late. She explains her vote, says she likes Holby's plan but votes her anyway.

That's really not much to go on. She was afraid people might try to fly under the radar. So am I right now. Let's see what today brings.


Lhuna:

Early random vote the first day. I dislike such things, but well...

Day 2 she corrects morm about Durelin. She says Farael stands out and she doesn't understand his vote, which I don't understand, to be honest. Other than Farael she suspects Valier, Fin and Holby. Then she tells the silent ones to talk.
She then tries to analyse the kills, but she does so without conclusions. RL interference keeps her from voting.

Today she admits that she would have liked the lynching of Rikae, even though Rikae already checked in. It could be an attempt to defend Farael, but looking at her past behaviour towards him, it's unlikely. I guess she's just honest. Thinks Di might have made the last couple an all-female one.
Again she looks at who would kill Kitanna and Jenny. She mentions Jenny's analysis of me, but thinks I look better now. She remains suspicious of Valier and Farael and thinks Durelin is dodgy.

Looking only at the facts I'm getting a little suspicious about her. We didn't get one real vote from her yet. She is very consistent in her suspicions though. Under the line I still find her innocent, but not so clearly anymore.

edit: crossed with Rikae

[Macalaure]

She didn't end up voting for him, but it's possible he may have been feeling some pressure after her long post analysing him (and saying she might continue).
I may have to look more closely at Mac.
Please, do so.
But concerning the pressure, you're right, but Lommy and Valier put pressure on me as well, and more from my point of view. I probably would've killed one of those two if that would have been my plan. But it's a risky plan, after all.

[Kath]

Macalaure:
Post 10 – an ‘if’ post. Basically saying what he would or would not do as a lover. This is often viewed as suspicious because he now has to do is act in a slightly different way to what he set out as his behaviour if he was a lover. Says he’s let Lhuna’s assertion that she will vote randomly pass for toDay. If we’re going for pure association he and Lhuna could be the last pair, mentioned but not overly suspected.

Post 29 – defends Lommy a little and is correct in asserting that there is no connection between Lommy and Holby as we now know. Makes no decision on Farael. Finds Rune to be behaving oddly for attacking Farael so strongly.

Post 35 – says that though he fins Farael most suspicious he will vote for Rune in order to create a little competition. Now if he and Farael are the last lover pair how perfect that scenario was. Oh, I won’t vote for my lover for the good of the village. Here also begins the assertions of innocence.

Post 66 – much about how the odds are against us. Talks of the bandwagon against Rune (and my Mac but could you have made that any more confusing? I thought you were talking about what had happened during the Night for ages so nothing made any sense!) and says that the fact that both Naria and arcticstorm voted for him was odd seeing as they were a couple. How so Mac? Some suspicion of Holby and Fin, again doesn’t pass any judgement on Farael.

Post 69 – makes lists, and strangely puts Fin on the innocent list. Little flip flop there or did I misread the earlier bit? Is suspicious of Valier and Holby due to their votes. Points out that Lommy seems overly sure of Lhuna’s innocence. It is possible that, due to Lommy’s staunch defense of Lhuna for much of her life, Lhuna could be a lover and have killed Lommy as it seemed safe, in which case it seems unlikely that Mac would be the other half of that pair as pointing out the plan would be a bit bold.

Post 81 – defends morm against Farael and is against the ‘lynch all the males plan’. Fair enough really him being male and all and the fact that in this case allowing yourself to be lynched if you are innocent isn’t really going to help the village much, but of course if he is a lover it’s a good self-preservation argument as well.

Post 83 – defends himself very calmly. If he’s a lover then this makes sense, having seen the reactions the previous Day to being overly defensive. Explains his vote for Rune, which I mentioned earlier.

Post 85 – answering Farael’s questioning about why morm wasn’t killed. Another ‘if’ post.

Post 93 – mild attack on Lommy for putting people in groups based on feelings only.

Post 102 – decides not to vote Lommy because he doesn’t want to spread the votes. This may be true, but I wonder whether it was so he didn’t get accused of a knee-jerk reaction, which is what his basis of accusation against Valier is. Decides not to vote Farael or Holby because he is finding them less suspicious so votes Valier for her previous vote.

Post 117 – says he’ll look at Farael but really the lovers are likely to be two females now, putting us off the scent? Then he says if we use these two days to lynch him and Farael the village loses. Now, how does he know Farael isn’t a lover? Or perhaps, he does know Farael is a lover and is defending him. I’m sorry, I can understand my logic here but I’m not sure if anyone else can. He’s saying the village will lose if he and Farael die. So it’s like he knows that Farael is innocent. He can’t know this, not unless he’s the Watcher and we know he’s not. Anyway, asks Valier to speak more and asks Farael why he went after Rikae so quickly.

Post 120 – does a little analysis of Farael and finds him innocent although he finds many questionable things along the way. As to the ‘would a lover be that outspoken with a point’ I can only say YES from previous experience.

Post 123 – does another little list and has Valier as suspicious, no idea about Rikae, and the rest appearing as innocent. Which, unless we’re counting Rikae as his second suspicion, leaves him with one too many innocents.

Post 127 – returns with analyses of Durelin and Lhuna. Now thinks Durelin is flying under the radar and Lhuna less innocent than she appeared to him before.

Right now I think Mac is guilty. I think he could very well be in a pair with Farael due to the ‘he’s suspicious but not too suspicious’ talk that’s been going on there.

However, I have also become a little suspicious of Lhuna along the way. If she is guilty I don’t believe Mac is for the reasons mentioned above.

Alright, now, I admit that I went into this with the pre-conceived idea that Mac is guilty. Therefore I welcome any and all opinions on this because I know it’s biased.

[Rikae]

Farael, you make an interesting point about Valier. Going back over her posts (she seems to have been fairly quiet), I find this:
I am going to vote for either Farael or Holby, unless something big sways me, which I highly doubt.I'm not sure what to make of this. If Farael (or Mac, for that matter) had killed someone who was openly suspicious of him, it would have left too clear a trail. Then again, trying to get her lynched with such convoluted reasoning is also going to draw scrutiny upon one. At least, it strikes me as convoluted, since I can't find any serious speculation that Jenny & Valier were a couple. It doesn't seem to have been a general suspicion, so I don't see how it would have made Valier seem particularly innocentish when she didn't die with Jenny.
The fact that Fariel advanced such an argument worries me.

EDIT: X posted with Kath

[Rikae]

I'm more inclined to think Fariel is a werecreature/lover than that Mac is, at this point.



an ‘if’ post. Basically saying what he would or would not do as a lover. This is often viewed as suspicious because he now has to do is act in a slightly different way to what he set out as his behaviour if he was a lover.Although it can also be the post of a helpful villager. The question is, are the points he raised sound in their own right? As far as I could tell, it was fairly straightforward, but I could be wrong. I think if he's a lover/werebear some logical inconsistency might be found in his fake "baddie strategy".
Post 35 – says that though he fins Farael most suspicious he will vote for Rune in order to create a little competition. Now if he and Farael are the last lover pair how perfect that scenario was. Oh, I won’t vote for my lover for the good of the village.Not necessarily, though, since he didn't even attempt to make a convincing argument for lynching Rune, as he should have if he wanted to sway the vote away from Farael.

[Farael]

The fact that Fariel advanced such an argument worries me.

Good, it seems that when people worry about me I'm on the right track.

I like Kath's analysis of Macalure, even though I know I'm neither a lover nor a werebear, thus she is wrong. After that analysis I'll venture that
a) I think she's sincere
b) I think she might be on to something with saying that Macalure may be trying to get us off the trail.

I'm honestly all over the place right now though, it's confusing when I don't have one target to lock-on :p

Yet Rikae, your going after me may be understandable yet it seems to me a bit too defensive. It might just be a coincidence, I did suggest we lynch you before you had a chance to talk, and yet you said that your main man was Morm.... and now that you ARE talking, you are going after me. Scared that they'll listen to me?

Right now I'm leaning towards Valier or Rikae. As a matter of fact, they have BOTH been rather silent. One of them has been having RL issues and I won't say it's all a big plan to confound us but.... what's up with Valier?

What if the last remaining duo has decided to stay as silent as possible, knowing that most of us will be retitient to lynch someone who has not said much.

[Macalaure]

Post 66 – much about how the odds are against us. Talks of the bandwagon against Rune (and my Mac but could you have made that any more confusing? I thought you were talking about what had happened during the Night for ages so nothing made any sense!) and says that the fact that both Naria and arcticstorm voted for him was odd seeing as they were a couple. How so Mac? Some suspicion of Holby and Fin, again doesn’t pass any judgement on Farael. I don't know what you are talking about. I think I made my points quite clear. First, the bandwaggon was against Menel, not Rune. I wondered why arctic and Naria were the first to vote Menel of all. It surprised me that a couple would work so close together.

makes lists, and strangely puts Fin on the innocent list.Mac finds Fin suspicious. Fin explains himself. Mac buys Fin's explanation. Mac turns out to be wrong. What's the point?

Post 93 – mild attack on Lommy for putting people in groups based on feelings only.If it looks mild to you then it does not look the way it was intended. I was seriously suspicious of Lommy.

Post 102 – decides not to vote Lommy because he doesn’t want to spread the votes. This may be true, but I wonder whether it was so he didn’t get accused of a knee-jerk reaction, which is what his basis of accusation against Valier is. :rolleyes:

Post 117 – says he’ll look at Farael but really the lovers are likely to be two females now, putting us off the scent? Then he says if we use these two days to lynch him and Farael the village loses. Now, how does he know Farael isn’t a lover? Or perhaps, he does know Farael is a lover and is defending him. I’m sorry, I can understand my logic here but I’m not sure if anyone else can. He’s saying the village will lose if he and Farael die. So it’s like he knows that Farael is innocent. He can’t know this, not unless he’s the Watcher and we know he’s not. Anyway, asks Valier to speak more and asks Farael why he went after Rikae so quickly.*sigh*
2 guys, 5 girls. The probability of a female-female-pair is pretty high. I feared that somebody would bring up the "Lynch the males!" campaign again (Durelin said she liked it). I'm just saying that this won't work. Of course Farael might be a lover. I told everybody to look closely at him and closely at me. Still I'm counting with an all-female-pair at the moment.

Post 120 – does a little analysis of Farael and finds him innocent although he finds many questionable things along the way. As to the ‘would a lover be that outspoken with a point’ I can only say YES from previous experience.I just thought that, since it almost got him lynched, his behaviour wasn't that smart if he is a lover. If you have another opinion, great, take a closer look at him and tell us of your findings.

Post 123 – does another little list and has Valier as suspicious, no idea about Rikae, and the rest appearing as innocent. Which, unless we’re counting Rikae as his second suspicion, leaves him with one too many innocents.Strange. I count 1 suspicious, 2 uncertain, 2 innocentish and 1 innocent. I bet if I had found 3 suspicious you would've criticised it's one too many.

Alright, now, I admit that I went into this with the pre-conceived idea that Mac is guilty. I barely noticed. :p

crossed with everybody since Kath

[Kath]

Ok I have to vote as I'm off out in a bit.

++MACALAURE

My reasoning is from the analysis I just did.

I have no idea if I've cross-posted with anyone. My net is screwing up beyond recognition and it's taken me over 5 minutes just to get this damn page open!

[Rikae]

Farael, yes, my main suspect was Morm.Not much point in beating a dead horse, though, is there?

Honestly, I see little reason to be defensive in response to your posts, since they were based on my own silence, which I have now emerged from. My suspicions are based on your post history, and your latest post has only deepened them - especially your assertion that Mac has been silent! Nonsensical statements are a mark of a werebear!

Still, we have a few villagers who have yet to post today, if I am not mistaken. It may well be that the five of us (Mac, Farael, Kath, Lhuna and myself) are all innocent, and the baddies are flying under the radar.
7 people :
5 innocents
2 baddies

Have posted:
Macalaure
Farael
Kath
Lhuna
Rikae

Haven't:
Valier
Durelin

Let's see what they have to say.

EDIT: Xed with Kath.

[Farael]

My suspicions are based on your post history, and your latest post has only deepened them - especially your assertion that Mac has been silent! Nonsensical statements are a mark of a werebear!

I did not say Mac was silent :eek:

Either you got something horribly wrong or you meant to say Valier, who IS silent... the longer toDay goes on without a word from her, the longer I'm leaning towards lynching her.

And I think that when we do, you'll be dead too. After all, nonsensical statements are the mark of a werebear!

[Valier]

I'm here!! I just got home, so I will go read through and be back shortly. :D

[Rikae]

Farael:

I could have sworn that said Mac before. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt, but you do know that editing your post without giving a reason is against the rules, right?

[Valier]

I think that Farael and Mac may be our remaining Werecouple. Why you ask....Well I shall tell you....just give me a bit, so I can collect all the evidence I have found or think I have found. I just wanted to put this out there now so I can take my time and post all my suspisions without fear of crossposting a million times.

[Farael]

Farael:

I could have sworn that said Mac before. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt, but you do know that editing your post without giving a reason is against the rules, right?
Please, look right under my siggie if it says "last edited by Farael on..."... I have not edited my post, and frankly I'm a little annoyed that you'd suggest that. And I don't mean werewolf-game, in character, annoyed, I mean that I am not a cheater and it bugs me you'd suggest it. :)

I can be as crazy as they get while playin Werewolf, but that IS part of my character description.

On to the game though.... Valier is here now, or so she says... I wonder what she has to say? maybe that she is In love with someone?

Edit: Cross-posted with Valier.

[Macalaure]

I think the quarrel between Farael and Rikae is really weird.

Anyway, it's nearing midnight around here and I'll have to vote soon. I hope I get to read Valier's reasons before I do. I'm torn between her and Durelin at the moment.

[Valier]

Farael was first to post with his Told you so, Told you so stuff. Ok well this is the thing...Noone knows who the other Werecreatures are except their own Lovers. So you saying you told us so, just to make yourself look good could be completely by accident. Because if you are The Werebear or lover, you very well may have guessed who was Bad, but that does not let you off the hook for being bad yourself.

Next is Mac's post. He conveniently says that we should take a close look at Farael and him, but to remember not to limit ourselves to just them....well duh....It just makes me think that when someone says something like "Oh yeah look at me" They will think people won't because they told them to. (I am obviously a rebel against authority :p ) Then in his next post Mac, pretty much lets Farael off the hook saying it's his style....I didn't know you knew Farael's style Mac ;) His list of suspects is very weak, nearly everyone on it is kinda suspisious with a little more on me.

I think Kath seems like her normal self and I am inclined to think Lhuna and Rikae innocent as well.
I must say that I am almost convinced that Farael and Mac are the last two if not, then at least one of them is for sures. As I said before, if they turn out not to be, just as I said about Holby, then I will eat my shoe.

I'll be around for a few hours and would like to hear from whoever is around about this.

[Rikae]

Yes, of course, I'd be annoyed as well. It may well be I misread it. I would like to mention one thing, though, with regard to "last edited" tags: look at my post #135. Apparently they only appear when you fill in the "reason" box, so it is possible for people to change their posts on the sly. In this case, it could just be my lousy vision.

[Macalaure]

Next is Mac's post. He conveniently says that we should take a close look at Farael and him, but to remember not to limit ourselves to just them....well duh....It just makes me think that when someone says something like "Oh yeah look at me" They will think people won't because they told them to. (I am obviously a rebel against authority :p )I see your point. Yes, I admit, now that you point it out, that would have made me suspicious of myself if I were you, too. I can only say that I said it in good conscience, but you probably won't believe me and I don't blame you for it.

Then in his next post Mac, pretty much lets Farael off the hook saying it's his style....I didn't know you knew Farael's style Mac ;)
but that is said to be his style.

His list of suspects is very weak, nearly everyone on it is kinda suspisious with a little more on me.I know it's weak. I'm the person who likes that least. But it is honest and I put down exactly what I thought/felt.


So... her first and third reason I see, her second is due to misunderstanding. I feel better about Valier because of it now. I hope Durelin shows up soon.

[Farael]

Yes, of course, I'd be annoyed as well. It may well be I misread it. I would like to mention one thing, though, with regard to "last edited" tags: look at my post #135. Apparently they only appear when you fill in the "reason" box, so it is possible for people to change their posts on the sly. In this case, it could just be my lousy vision.
You have a point, I noticed after I actually eddited my last post. Still, I swear to you, I did not and would never cheat.

Farael was first to post with his Told you so, Told you so stuff. Ok well this is the thing...Noone knows who the other Werecreatures are except their own Lovers. So you saying you told us so, just to make yourself look good could be completely by accident. Because if you are The Werebear or lover, you very well may have guessed who was Bad, but that does not let you off the hook for being bad yourself.
Hey, I may be bad for all you know, but then maybe you know better.... yet I'm still pretty proud of myself over my perfect record on first-day suspicions. Yes, it may be luck, but let me enjoy my fifteen minutes of sham... *ahem* fame.

Would you like your shoe with salt or perhaps mayo? I'm an ordo.... but I am getting even a stronger feeling you are not. I'd vote for you now, but why hurry?

[Valier]

Ah..... reactions to accusations tells all ;) :D Thanks

[Macalaure]

With my lessened suspicion of Valier, I'm now only left with Durelin as a possible vote. But this is not a good thing. I have one vote from Kath and not unlikely a second from Valier and then maybe a third one from Durelin if I vote for her. Three votes of seven means as good as dead. :(

dammit...



++Durelin

I'm sorry, Durelin, but you're the only one I could vote with a good conscience. I hope you don't retaliate.

[Rikae]

Farael was first to post with his Told you so, Told you so stuff. Ok well this is the thing...Noone knows who the other Werecreatures are except their own Lovers. So you saying you told us so, just to make yourself look good could be completely by accident. Because if you are The Werebear or lover, you very well may have guessed who was Bad, but that does not let you off the hook for being bad yourself.True, it doesn't let him off the hook, but I'm not sure I understand how this is really evidence that he is bad. (I suspect him myself, but just playing devil's advocate here). After all, I suspected Morm too, and I would have probably said the same thing if Farael hadn't already.

Next is Mac's post. He conveniently says that we should take a close look at Farael and him, but to remember not to limit ourselves to just them....well duh....It just makes me think that when someone says something like "Oh yeah look at me" They will think people won't because they told them to. I seem to recall an ordo doing the same thing in a village not too long ago or far away. :D

I think Kath seems like her normal self and I am inclined to think Lhuna and Rikae innocent as well.Hmm. This type of blanket "innocent" statement over three people raises alarms for me. I can't say I know what Kath's normal self is like, but she has said some things about Mac that struck me as a tad hasty, considering the evidence.
I must say that I am almost convinced that Farael and Mac are the last two if not, then at least one of them is for sures. As I said before, if they turn out not to be, just as I said about Holby, then I will eat my shoe.A bit of an "I told you so" of your own, eh? ;)

[Durelin]

I am terribly sorry. The Day start/end time has been really bad for me, as a school-goer who doesn't have more than five or ten minutes to post at school...and I need more time than that to actually post something worthwhile.

At any rate, I won't really defend myself, and will only hope that you don't waste a lynch on me. Luckily, though, we still have time, with only one kill at night...though not much time. I will say one thing though: when I voted for Kitanna on day one for the 'flying under the radar' suspicion, I did not forsee myself seemingly doing the same (posting little and garnering little suspicion...well, until now with the latter).

In a way it's nice that there's only one lover-werecreature pair left...and in another way, it isn't...they can't kill each other anymore, and this one pair is "so close" to surviving with each other...

Just two males left? I think it's quite possible that the final pair of lovers consists of two females, and thinking of it as if we have a 50-50 chance of getting the lover/werebear if we lynch one of the males might be very harmful...then again, it might be the truth.

Valier's suggestion of a Farael-Mac pairing makes me really really suspect her... I agree with Mac that the likelyhood of a female-female pairing is pretty high, and I wouldn't be surprised if Valier was a female lover or werecreature trying to draw attention away from the females and toward the males.

Or, Mac could be werecreature or lover, and so my suspicions of Valier are way way off...

I'd almost like to think that Valier and Kath are our final pair...

As for Farael...I'd almost like to vote for him because his posts are so...well, they bother me. But not in the way that I feel makes him a baddie. Rikae...I just don't know about her. Same goes for Lhuna, which bothers me. And really, the same goes for Kath... So, I'm triple-y bothered.

My suggestion if we don't get the pair toDay (and sadly I doubt we will - I'm rather pessimistic) is that the Ranger identify him/herself tomorrow or the next day...as long as they survive...

Just posting this because no one has yet (I'm shocked! ;)). I hope it's correct...I did it rather quickly:

Farael for Holby (Holby 1)
Holby for Valier (Holy 1 Valier 1)
Kath for Farael (Holby 1 Valier 1 Farael 1)
Lommy for Macalaure (Holby 1 Valier 1 Farael 1 Macalaure 1)
Jenny for Holby (Holby 2 Valier 1 Farael 1 Macalaure 1)
Mac for Valier (Holby 2 Valier 2 Farael 1 Macalaure 1)
Morm for Lommy (Holby 2 Valier 2 Farael 1 Macalaure 1 Lommy 1)
Durelin for Holby (Holby 3 Valier 2 Farael 1 Macalaure 1 Lommy 1)
Fin for Valier (Holby 3 Valier 2 Farael 1 Macalaure 1 Lommy 1)
Valier for Holby (Holby 4 Valier 2 Farael 1 Macalaure 1 Lommy 1)

Edit: Cross-posted with Rikae and Mac...Great.

[Farael]

My suggestion if we don't get the pair toDay (and sadly I doubt we will - I'm rather pessimistic) is that the Ranger identify him/herself tomorrow or the next day...as long as they survive...
NO!! One and a hundred times no!!! The Ranger is our lone way of learning about "known" innocents. With only one pair of baddies left, if the ranger protects someone successfully we'll know that someone is innocent. How much would it improve the odds right now (or tomorrow for that matter) if the ranger came out? I say, unless s/he is risking being lynched, s/he should stay under wraps as much as possible.

Of course, it's ultimately to their discretion to determine when it's no longer possible, but given that as soon as the ranger speaks up s/he'll most likely be eaten.... :rolleyes:

[Durelin]

But if the Ranger doesn't protect an innocent? I'm saying, if it gets down to the last limb...the Ranger can be a known innocent. It is not likely that the werecreature or lover will claim to be the Ranger.

Edit: And wait...do we get to find out who the werecreature tried to kill when the Ranger successfully protects them? I didn't think we did.

[Rikae]

Farael: Good point. If that's the case, though, the Ranger will have to reveal himheritself to share that information, and we don't have much time left. If we don't lynch one of the baddies, we'll go into tonight with four innocents and two baddies, and tomorrow we will have only three innocents left. If we lynch an ordo tomorrow as well, we'll lose the game. Therefore, if we don't win today, we need all the info we can get tomorrow. Knowing one of the three innocents will mean we'll have a 50/50 chance of lynching a werecreature/lover.

EDIT: Xed with Durelin

[Rikae]

It is not likely that the werecreature or lover will claim to be the Ranger.

Are you sure? All they need to do is stay alive through tomorrow to win.

[Durelin]

Are you sure? All they need to do is stay alive through tomorrow to win.

Of course I'm not sure. I just said it was 'likely.' As you say, they only have to stay alive till tomorrow...and if they have to pull out a Ranger bluff to do that, then they're feeling less confident than I would expect them to. They're not exactly in a bad situation right now, it seems, and if we don't get them today...I think they'll be feeling pretty good tomorrow. Though, you're right - one of them claiming to be the Ranger might be a good way to cause a great deal (more) confusion. That is, if the Ranger survives till tomorrow, anyway.

[Rikae]

I guess I'll go ahead and cast my vote:

++Farael

[Durelin]

I don't like this silence.

The more I read over Kath and Valier's posts, the more I find it possible that they are lovers, or at least that one of them is. Though with Rikae's vote, I find her and Kath being lovers a possibility, as well (both hashing up "old" suspicions...and yes, they are still valid suspicions, but they also could be interpreted as simply being 'safe' because they have been the continual suspicion...and of course neither will consider the possibility of a female-female lover pair).

Kath is really bothering me... Her votes have been so...easy, or, again, 'safe.' They haven't succeeded in lynching anyone, but they've been for people who have gotten a lot of attention: namely, Mac and Farael, our two final male subjects.

My vote will be for Kath, Valier, or Rikae...starting with most likely and moving toward less likely. But I will wait as close to the deadline as I can, particularly since I do not want to vote without knowing what the likely repercussions of my vote will be (if any), and right now...there's just no way of knowing. I hope everyone finds the time to vote, or likely we're dead meat...

[Lhunardawen]

*wakes up*

Whew, I'm still alive! And thank goodness this isn't a very talkative village, or it will be very hard for me to catch up.

My preliminary observation is that this open argument between Farael and Rikae might be not what it seems. But then again, Farael also argues with Valier. I don't know, Farael, but you boldness is making me too worried. It's too rash a behaviour for an innocent, but the more I look at it the more I'm convinced that that's exactly what you want us to think.

But I'll be off to examine actual evidences and not rely on just gut feelings.

[Durelin]

It's too rash a behaviour for an innocent, but the more I look at it the more I'm convinced that that's exactly what you want us to think.

I'm feeling...not too smart... Could you explain that further when you post your examinations, if possible? Sorry...I'm easily confused right now. :D

[Lhunardawen]

I'm feeling...not too smart... Could you explain that further when you post your examinations, if possible? Sorry...I'm easily confused right now. :D
I meant rather viciously attacking two people at once. Well, not really attacking, but arguing. You wouldn't think that a baddie would be so bold as to put that much focus on himself at this crucial stage, but it could be his way of hiding out in the open.

Never mind the possible Rikae-Farael pair, though; Rikae wouldn't vote for Farael when there is still every possibility of him being lynched.

[Farael]

I meant rather viciously attacking two people at once. Well, not really attacking, but arguing. You wouldn't think that a baddie would be so bold as to put that much focus on himself at this crucial stage, but it could be his way of hiding out in the open.


You give me too much credit Lhunie.... and keep in mind that I've been acting the same way (for the most part) for three games now... true, I was your lover on the second game, but you cant say this behaviour from me is "odd".

Anyway, I have to go for dinner now, and odds are I won't be back before the dead-line, so I'll cast my vote now

++Valier

She seems the most suspicious, with Rikae a close second. Lhunie, as always, if you are a baddie I'll never know it.

[Lhunardawen]

Valier

post #27 - usual first Day post. Said the only thing to do is to sit, observe, and ponder things, and expressed reluctance to commit to a lynchee until she has thought things through. Hoped to be back with a plan to keep the village in its order, but that could be just an in-character statement.

post #42 - Suddenly voted for Jenny, with all previous thoughts (that of Farael, Mac, and Rune not looking suspicious, but just their first Day selves) forgotten. Might have seen it as a sign of sorts that Jenny suddenly posted with a vote for her just when she was looking for her. Whatever happened to thinking things through?

post #59 - Didn't think Menel or Rune were werecreatures, so she didn't vote for them. Why point that out? To make herself look good? Thought Farael acted a bit strange. Attributed her vote for Jenny to a "weird feeling."

post #105 - Asserted that her vote for Jenny was as random as everyone else's, and thought it funny that people would think it weird. Said she always posts on first Days with silly posts, and hates trying to be all serious.

Point is, it wasn't as random as she thinks. It's retaliatory. Whether or not it was her intention, that's how we see it.

post #106 - Defended her vote once and for all, and her early post on that Day. Thought Farael and Holby a Lover pair. Pointed out that Holby was the first to vote for her, and Farael's vote for Holby was risky, but she can see it from Farael. Thought Macalaure seems a bit agressive, and was almost certain that he is bad. Found Lhuna, Jenny, and Durelin a bit suspicious, but was not sure why. Thought Fin a confused ordo, and said all his points against her rather lame. Thought morm, Kath, Rikae, and Lommy ordos. Might vote for Farael or Holby.

post #111 - Voted for Holby. Said a tiny, mirthful threat should she be wrong.

Goodness, this is taking so long...but I'm still feeling a bit disturbed about you, Valier.

ToDay she thinks Farael and Mac the last werepair. Suspects Farael's "told you statement," but in my opinion she had one herself, though put differently, the Day before. Suspects Mac because she thinks he wants us not to look at him by telling us to do so, and he has a weak list of suspects. Thinks Kath, Lhuna, and Rikae innocent.

In my opinion, those were rather weak arguments against Farael and Mac. The length of her innocents list is disconcerting; I wonder if she knows that they're innocents for sure. On the whole, I am disturbed by her inconsistency, defensiveness, and by those teeny weeny threaty thingies. It seems to assert her knowledge of things, which is rather distracting because we certainly won't believe her, and puts them in a mirthful light. I hope we find a Werecreature/Lover in you.

++VALIER

[Lhunardawen]

Cross-posted with Farael previously. Exactly Farael, I know that's normal for you, and I know you wouldn't change any of that whatever your role, so I'm concerned that maybe you DO have a special role and...that's confusing. All I'm saying is that you can be pretty consistent with your actions, and I've known you as a Lover, so it's scary for me.

[Valier]

++ Farael

Ha ha you guys killed your Ranger!! :(

[Diamond18]

Deadline time. And Valier stole my narrative thunder but can you blame her? :p

[Durelin]

I hope you are telling the truth, Valier...

++Farael

O Fool, I shall go mad!

Edit: Ack! Sorry! I really hope this counts (clock is off by a few minutes!). Cross-posted...

[Diamond18]

The Elves arranged themselves in a circle around Valier, eyeing her with mistrust. Farael pulled out a straight jacket and wrestled Valier to the ground, where he put said straight jacket on her. Valier thrashed and and threatened to fix his little red wagon, but Lhuna rose sleepily from where she had been napping in a hammock, and taking her pillow, proceeded to smother the Arranger.

"Mmmmmph!" came Valier's muffled voice. "You guys just killed your Ranger! Look at Farael and Durelin when I'm gone!"

Then, choking on goose down, she expired.

~*~*~*~

The Living Elves:

Mac - Builder of Gibbets, unemployed for millennia
Kath - Flower Girl
Durelin - Lead Tragic Actor
Lhuna - Beautiful Girl with Sleeping Sickness
Farael - Patient suffering from Mad Elf Disease
Rikae - Contortionist

The Dead 'Uns

tgwbs - Tragic Elven Hero and Lover of Diamond - (co-mod) - Stabbed himself eight times and subsequently eaten by the Werebird

Diamond - Elven Maid - (mod) - Crushed in the embrace of the Werebear

Menel - Mad Scientist - (ordo) - Beaten with an undead leg and a chamber pot and stabbed with red hot tongs (Day 1)

Nogrod - a Smith of the Billmarins - (watcher) - Savagely murdered by the Werecat and devoured in the long grass (Night 2)

Arctic Storm - Raving Alcoholic, Resident Moocher, and Lover of Naria - (lover) - Devoured head first by the Werebird (Night 2)

Naria - Lemba Baker - (werecat) - Dashed out her brains on the Ringbearer's Rock (Night 2)

Kitanna - One Legged Chambermaid - (ordo) - Ripped in two by the Werebear (Night 2)

Rune - Humungous Fungus Grower - (ordo) - Minced up into fertilizer by the Werewolf (Night 2)

Holbytlass - Oliphaunt Whisperer and Lover of Fintaeph - (lover) - Burned at the stake (Day 2)

Fintaeph - Mutton Herder and Purveyor of Fine-Quality Undead Prosthetic Limbs - (werebird) - Died a fiery death trying to save his lover from the flames (Day 2)

Lommy - Ostrich Chaser - (ordo) - Lured into a dark alley and devoured by the Werewolf (Night 3)

JennyHallu - Countess and Lover of mormegil - (lover) - Ripped apart and scattered in countless pieces by the Werebear (Night 3)

Mormegil - City Street Cleaner - (werewolf) - Despaired and died amongst the shreds of his lover (Night 3)

Valier - Arranger - (ranger) - Smothered to death with a goosedown pillow (Day 3)

[Diamond18]

Kath did not want to get up and leave the safety of her home, but her moonflowers needed tending to, so she crept out into the garden under the silvery light of the full moon. "If I'm quiet," she thought, "they won't know I'm up and about...."

She snuck about with her watering can and garden shears, being very careful not to make too much noise. She thought she was doing very well, and was almost done when she heard the ominous twinkling of wind chimes. Gasping involuntarily, she looked wildly about. It was only the wind....

Or was it?

Suddenly, out from behind a forsythia bush, leapt the Werebear. Kath screamed, dropping the watering can. She waved the shears at the bear, crying, "Get away!" But the bear seized her arm and broke it off, tossing shears and limb aside. Kath fainted from pain and horror, and the bear dragged her limp body through the marigolds to devour it under the rose trellis.

Nearby, the Werebear's lover mused, "Would a Kath by any other name taste as sweet?"

~*~*~*~

The Living Elves:

Mac - Builder of Gibbets, unemployed for millennia
Durelin - Lead Tragic Actor
Lhuna - Beautiful Girl with Sleeping Sickness
Farael - Patient suffering from Mad Elf Disease
Rikae - Contortionist

The Dead 'Uns

tgwbs - Tragic Elven Hero and Lover of Diamond - (co-mod) - Stabbed himself eight times and subsequently eaten by the Werebird

Diamond - Elven Maid - (mod) - Crushed in the embrace of the Werebear

Menel - Mad Scientist - (ordo) - Beaten with an undead leg and a chamber pot and stabbed with red hot tongs (Day 1)

Nogrod - a Smith of the Billmarins - (watcher) - Savagely murdered by the Werecat and devoured in the long grass (Night 2)

Arctic Storm - Raving Alcoholic, Resident Moocher, and Lover of Naria - (lover) - Devoured head first by the Werebird (Night 2)

Naria - Lemba Baker - (werecat) - Dashed out her brains on the Ringbearer's Rock (Night 2)

Kitanna - One Legged Chambermaid - (ordo) - Ripped in two by the Werebear (Night 2)

Rune - Humungous Fungus Grower - (ordo) - Minced up into fertilizer by the Werewolf (Night 2)

Holbytlass - Oliphaunt Whisperer and Lover of Fintaeph - (lover) - Burned at the stake (Day 2)

Fintaeph - Mutton Herder and Purveyor of Fine-Quality Undead Prosthetic Limbs - (werebird) - Died a fiery death trying to save his lover from the flames (Day 2)

Lommy - Ostrich Chaser - (ordo) - Lured into a dark alley and devoured by the Werewolf (Night 3)

JennyHallu - Countess and Lover of mormegil - (lover) - Ripped apart and scattered in countless pieces by the Werebear (Night 3)

Mormegil - City Street Cleaner - (werewolf) - Despaired and died amongst the shreds of his lover (Night 3)

Valier - Arranger - (ranger) - Smothered to death with a goosedown pillow (Day 3)

Kath - Flower Girl - (ordo) - Devoured in her flower garden by the Werebear

[Lhunardawen]

Okay. This is the last Day, for good or ill. Good, if we lynch the Werebear or the Lover. Ill, if we don't. All they need is one vote for an innocent, and they will very easily jump to vote for that person. Game over. Naturally we'll all want to keep our votes as late as possible to make sure that we lynch the right person; I unfortunately, do not have that luxury, with the Day ending on a Sunday morning. :(

I'll be back within the hour for my vote. Early, I know, but this is all the time RL can give me. I will try my very best to make it count for the sake of our village.

[Lhunardawen]

I'll start with a post analysis of my biggest suspect, Farael.

#16 - Threatened Lhuna, considering that as the middle ground between distancing himself from her or saying she is innocent, both of which he perceived as Lover tactics. Fair enough, I suppose. He has had experience being a Lover, so he has an idea how it works. And we're really supposed to be suspicious of everyone in this game. But now that I think of it, it's a bit of an overreaction. It's a silly random vote, for goodness' sake.

Suspected Holby of werecreatureness for putting the villagers in categories. And she turns out to be a Lover, which is more or less the same thing in this game. He got a Day 1 hunch relatively right again.

#21 - Suspected Holby and Lommy of being Lovers, because the former "forgot" to add the latter to her list. Lommy pointing out that she had been missed was too innocent a behaviour, he said.

"...and those of you who know my playing style should do well in listening to me. It has been proven perilous for the ordos to ignore me."

I suppose he means that he normally gets first Day hunches right. Well, to be fair, it has happened twice (possibly more) before. And in one of those, he happened to have inside info. Now, even if he's a villain, he can't have inside info in this game. I just find it disturbing that he should say this, as though desperate to gain our trust.

#51 - Said he doesn't claim to be the Seer, and once again pointed out to his famed hunches. Would have almost voted for arcticstorm because of his erroneous claim that everyone voted for him because of Lhuna. Insisted on Holby's guilt. Twice told us to lynch him if we want to clear the air around him.

Another overreaction re arcticstorm.

#54 - Voted for Menel. Told the village to kill Holby for him should he die.

End of Day 1

#71 - Admitted that his self-preserving vote for Menel turned out to be an overkill, and was willing to take all the blame the village wants for it. Once again insisted on Holby's guilt because of her ill-explained vote. Suspected morm because he was still alive. And turns out to be right, again.

#74 - "...I will have to undergo a forced silence soon enough"

You know, there's something about him claiming to be dead soon each time, yet each Night he emerges unscathed. I can't quite put a finger to it, but it's really creeping me out.

A long post in which he once again insisted on Holby's guilt. He said too much here that I can only see being said by a genuine innocent, but we never know. Everyone can be sincere about wanting to get a suspicious person lynched, even villains, because they naturally want to be the last team standing.

#84 - Disagreed about killing all males, and this suggestion by Holby added to his doubts about her. He had good points, actually. Then again, he IS a male. :p

#91 - Voted for Holby. Thought morm sincere, but still wanted to keep an eye on him. Also thought Fintaeph sincere, and said that if he's a baddie he's doing an awfully good job at it.

End of Day 2

#116 - "I told you so" post about morm being a baddie. Considered having Rikae lynched for her silence.

The "I told you so" part irked me, honestly. Can't he just rejoice? Was that utterly necessary? As for lynching Rikae, it must be the effect of being in Werewolf XVI, and for that reason the suggestion made sense to me.

#124 - Suspected Valier with Jenny's death, and the fact that someone pointed out a possible Jenny-Valier pair the Day before.

#132 - Thought Kath may be sincere (in her assumption of a Mac-Farael pair) or may be up to something that Mac may be trying to get us off the trail. Thought Rikae defensive in going after him. Asked her if she's scared that we'll listen to him.

He has a point that Mac may be a villain. But what's that provocative statement to Rikae about?

#126 - Suspected a Valier-Rikae pair. That's how I understood the post.

#140 - Was quick to wonder if Valier would say that she is in love with someone. Really, all this forward-ness is making me uneasy.

#145 - The post to which Valier responded "Reactions to accusations tell all." Perhaps this is why she wanted us to look at him toDay.

"Hey, I may be bad for all you know, but then maybe you know better.... yet I'm still pretty proud of myself over my perfect record on first-day suspicions. Yes, it may be luck, but let me enjoy my fifteen minutes of sham... *ahem* fame.

Would you like your shoe with salt or perhaps mayo? I'm an ordo.... but I am getting even a stronger feeling you are not. I'd vote for you now, but why hurry?"

I don't understand why he had to point out his perfect record. And he's more sure of Valier's guilt because she suspected him? I don't get it.

#160 - Voted for Valier, said Rikae was a close second.

I already responded to this post.

Okay...so the Farael I know does do rather haphazard accusations, a fault we may attribute to a careless ordo or a bold villain. And he had been both in the past. There is nothing remarkably different in the way he plays now than before, apart from the fact that I don't think he ever "bragged" that he gets things right this way. This for me speaks against his favour.

[Lhunardawen]

Goodness, that took longer than I expected. Sadly I only have time for general impressions right now.

Rikae - Generally flew under the radar the first two Days, but emerged from her silence yesterDay and made plenty of sense. I doubt a werecreature would risk that absence, knowing that she could be lynched for it, but it's interesting that she emerged just in time.

Mac - Reading Kath's analysis of him made me suspicious of him, though he answered some of the points raised against him. That he voted for defenceless Durelin speaks against him, because it would be hard for us to question him for this vote.

Durelin - Successfully flew under the radar, as far as I'm concerned. If she's the last Werecreature...she can almost win this if we don't stop her.

Sadly I don't have time for actual quotes right now to support this, but I have a feeling that our last pair is Farael and Durelin. It can't be Farael and Rikae, as the latter voted for the former early yesterDay. Farael and Mac is a possibility, but if so, they are a very bold pair. Farael and Durelin barely mention each other, and it's interesting that Farael is quick to suspect everyone but Durelin. Not a good strategy for a Lover, but it could be that he can't risk it.

But wait...Durelin voted for Farael yesterDay! That's quite a sincere-looking mistake about time. Hmmm...does this mean Farael is actually innocent?

So, it could be Mac and Durelin, Mac and Rikae, or Durelin and Rikae. Who knows? All I'm sure is that I'm single and unavailable, thank you very much.

Sheesh, all that analysis of Farael for nothing. At least that's how I see it. You might see this differently. So I'm going for my second suspicion, the one most likely to be associated with someone...

++DURELIN

And I'm going to sleep. Here's hoping that I don't wake up in the Halls of Mandos, because if so that means the village lost.

[Macalaure]

So.. Kath is dead. Can't say I'm very surprised after all. The way she missed the first day pretty much gave away that she was an innocent. I mean, if she was otherwise, she would have pmed her lover or the mod, and either one would have told her to get into the fray - and quick!
I was her main suspect by a wide margin. There was her suspicion of me and Farael being a couple and her saying that I and Lhuna are not.
I think Kath made a very fine safe pick for the bear and his/her lover. Kinda fits in with the previous kills of Kitanna and Jenny, though we don't know whether they in fact had a solid suspicion about Jenny.

Rereading the last day made me a little suspicious of Farael again, and kept my suspicion of Durelin alive. I only had time to have a really close look at Farael (which might now look pretty useless after Lhuna's detailed analysis, but anyway). I hope I can manage a short analysis of Durelin later.

Farael is bold. That's nothing new and it's of course not suspicious in itself. But there are some specifics about his boldness that I think are weird.
- There's his argument against Rikae in #132. Just like Rikae immediateley points out, it makes no sense.
- he says he likes Kath's analysis of me, finds Rikae and Valier suspicious and thinks we should have a close look at the silent ones (Durelin and Valier). With the exception of Lhuna and Kath this covers everyone.
- his counterattack on Valier in #145 was quite aggressive, but I'll let it pass. What wonders me more is that he praises himself with his correct suspicions. In this particular game, that means nothing! (as Nogrod taught us some games ago, it never does, in fact) I understand he's happy that he's right, but come on...
- then in #160 he points out he's been playing the same way since three games. I think I couldn't play two days in a row the same way even if I tried.
- why does he point out that he would never notice if Lhuna is evil? Even if it's true, why did he point it out?

No offense intended, but I would hate, I would loathe to lose against someone who is so outspoken about his own innocence and this since the very first day. It would make us all look pretty stupid. I know this is no argument at any rate, but I just had to say it.

I'll be back later to vote, and hopefully to have a closer look at Durelin.

[Macalaure]

What? Nobody else has posted in all that time?? :eek:

I have to vote and I can't put as much reason into it as I liked to.

++Durelin, again

The other possibility would be voting Farael, since I find Rikae rather innocentish and Lhuna very helpful and well-balanced in her arguments. Durelin steered herself very much along the all-female-pair direction, which taken for itself is okay, but she takes it as far as to not looking at me and Farael anymore. Look at the way she was against the Farael-Mac-pair-idea! Since I know I'm not her lover (and no lover at all) I fear that she and Farael might be the last couple, but I'm not absolutely certain.

[Durelin]

I'd just like to say that you are indeed screwed... And am under the impression the Lhuna and Mac might be our final pair.

Just because one is wrong in their suspicions does not make them guilty. I wished to wait to vote, because before it came down to the end, the vote was garnering for people I did not then suspect. I now wish I had gone with Kath's continued suspicion of Mac...

I love Lhuna's last post here...she makes a big long analysis of Farael, a favorite among the suspected ones for a long time, and determines that of course I must be his lover...but the fact that I voted for him, at the deadline, means he must innocent. Yes, he simply must.

And then she votes for me...where's that nice big long analysis?

Mac's post is the same way...he analyzes Farael, and runs off only to come back and just vote for me...no "closer look." Maybe he didn't have the time...just like Lhuna?

Everyone has forgotten that on Day One we almost lynched Farael, and yet the people who voted for Menel and swayed the tie are all dead...except for Farael himself. None of them were his lover...otherwise he wouldn't be here. Rikae I can't be nearly as 'certain' about, but I actually agree with Mac's simple reasoning about her just enough...

Please, Rikae, Farael...I really really hope you're innocent...and if you are, please help me. I think you two are innocent...if you were here, I might not be so certain, but I think that at least one of you would have been active already today, if one or both of you were not innocent. Still, that doesn't necessarily mean anything...

If you aren't innocent...well, help these two lynch me and make a big ninny out of me.

Talk about flying under the radar...has Lhuna actually had anyone vote for her? Not as far as I can tell... Ugh, I wish I had paid more attention to her...

++Lhuna

[Farael]

This is a tough one... I don't have a lot of time and yet I don't really think Durelin is all that guilty. Problem is, I'm not sure Lhuna is either, but if I vote for a third option Durelin will be lynched for sure. I guess I'll hold on to my vote, let's see if Rikae shows up... Ugh, if there's one horrible thing about playing Werewolf against people you've PM'd with is that I just can't get myself to mistrust Lhuna... and yet, the fact that she is such a nice gal may be the reason why she's reticient to kill me. After all, if both her and Mac had voted for me, odds are I would have gotten lynched... and at the same time, why not? would Lhuna let her friendlyness affect her judgement that much? and would Mac, her lover (if that scenario is correct at all) let that happen as well?

And what if Durelin is trying to put the wool over our eyes? what if she IS actually guilty?

[Rikae]

Oh, boy. I'm almost sure now that Farael is guilty. I was very suspicious of him yesterday, and then innocent Valier warned us against him. If I'm right, his lover knew that he would be a likely candidate for today's lynching, unless she came up with a clever diversion (I say she because Mac seems very innocent). What could be better than appearing to suspect him, pinpointing someone else as his lover, and then voting for that someone else? If Lhuna suspected Farael so strongly, shouldn't she vote for him? Her reasoning in voting for Durelin is completely convoluted, as well: first she argues that Farael seems guilty, than says Durelin is probably his lover; than that because Durelin voted for him, she definitely isn't his lover (not necessarily true, especially when Farael wasn't in much danger at that point), and then votes for Durelin! Does anyone else think this makes absolutely no sense?
My vote most likely will be for Farael. Maybe Lhuna's initial points (which could have been a ruse to distract us) are right, and his lover is Durelin - or maybe my suspicions are right, and his lover is Lhuna. Either way, we win.
I would also like to say that it seems unlikely, at this point, that we have a female-female pair. Remember, Di said she might have same sex pairs, but the three that have died so far have all been male-female. This would have been by chance alone; the odds that the oonly same-sex pair would also be the last to survive are 25% those that they would have died already and since they didn't, they don't exist, 75%. It's not impossible, but I'm going with the best odds.

[Farael]

Rikae, if you vote for me, you die... unless you are a werebear or her lover... but then, if you were, why not vote for whoever is innocent of Lhuna or Durelin? one moment... you DO need me to vote for Lhuna before you can vote for her and kill us all, if you are indeed a baddie.

Mind you, I say that if you vote for me you die, unless Durelin is actually a baddie... in that case we'll all survive, but you would have wasted your vote.

The options right now for you and I are either Durelin or Lhuna, and if I were you I'd discuss things about those two rather than talking about voting for me. Hell, you can even think I'm a baddie for all I care, the truth of the matter is, you cannot get me lynched any way.

[Farael]

Well, I have to go and I don't know if I'll be back in time to cast any votes... thus the question is. Do I trust Rikae?

It's quite problematic, because I am not sold on her innocense.... but then, I'm not sold on her guilt either.

On the other hand, I know that at least ONE baddie voted already. I'm innocent, even if Rikae won't believe it.

I don't know what to do, should I vote for Durelin and end it now? should I vote for Lhuna and let Rikae decide? what if Rikae is a baddie? and on the other hand, what if Durelin is?

The only way both baddies would vote before any other vote had been casted is if, indeed, they had timezone problems, which is the case for both Lhuna AND Mac...

Well, I can't decide thus there's only one thing to do.

I will not vote. I have to go NOW and I can't make up my mind. Thus Durelin is as good as dead, and we'll see how the game ends.

[Durelin]

Inaction is the WORST choice right now.

Thank you, Farael, for sealing the loss.

Might as well just vote for me, Rikae.

Farael - Don't you think Rikae would have already voted and sealed my fate if she were evil? I now am practically certain you two are innocent...otherwise you would have voted to seal my fate...there's no reason for any werecreature or lover to wait to vote now. You are innocent, and I am innocent, and we can take these two out still...

Either way, you're afraid we're going to lose. Do something, and maybe we might win.

I hope you come back before this is through...

[Rikae]

Farael, I had to go reread the rules. I see there are no retractions. This changes everything, since you're my top suspect.
I don't understand why Mac and Lhuna both expressed suspicion of you, and then voted for someone else.
Mac voted for Durelin...they couldn't be lovers, right? One vote among five players carries too much weight to trifle with it. It would be a very risky bluff, especially since it was the second vote.
I'm very uncertain about both Lhuna and Durelin. Of the two, Lhuna seems more suspicious, especially because of the strange way she arrived at her vote for Durelin. It just doesn't seem entirely honest.
I suppose I'll have to vote for ++Lhuna.
Of course, Farael, if she's your lover than you've already won, since one vote for Durelin will lynch her.
If you are actually innocent, Farael, choose wisely - it's up to you.

[Durelin]

I don't think Farael will be back. Thank you for trying to help, though, Rikae.

But if he does come back...come on, Farael! Whether or not you're innocent, I never voted for you except in a last minute attempt to save our Ranger. The least you can do is help save me. :p

[Macalaure]

I didn't think I could manage to, but now I'm here until the deadline.

Farael was my main suspect at the beginning of the day, but I already finished my analysis of him when I saw Lhuna has made one. Then I wanted to do one on Durelin, but didn't have the time.


Why the heck didn't Farael vote?


Anyway, I see the following possibilities:

Since nobody gave Durelin her third vote it can only mean that
a) Lhuna and I are the lovers (which I know is not the case, but just for completeness' sake)
b) Durelin is evil

The question is: who is her lover?
It can't be Lhuna, because Durelin voted her.
So it could be me, Rikae or Farael.

If it's Farael, then it's over. He will return and vote Lhuna, then. If it is not him, then the fate of the village now lies in his hands, should he return.

[Durelin]

You know Farael's not coming back, Mac. It's coming down to the deadline...so you might as well gloat.

Unless Farael is actually Lhuna's lover and you really are an innocent? But of course you didn't even suggest that as a possibility. Because you can't think of Lhuna as being anyone expect your lover...

Edit: And I know Farael as Lhuna's lover doesn't make too much sense, but then...does Farael not voting make much sense period?

[Macalaure]

I was sure I wouldn't come back so I'm surely not sure he won't. Guilty or not, I wouldn't celebrate victory before it's official.

I agree though that his not voting doesn't make sense in any way. I don't understand him.

And, unless there's something mighty strange happening, there's only the possibilities of me and Lhuna being lovers, or you being guilty.

[Macalaure]

I mean guilty if I'm a lover and am going to get Durelin lynched, innocent if Durelin's guilty and we win!

[Rikae]

Looks like our fate is sealed. So, who are you, werebear? :D

[Rikae]

Farael and Lhuna, where are you? On a romantic date, I shouldn't wonder...

[Durelin]

Lhuna is in a very different timezone, so I expect 9:10 EST is a very odd time in the morning for her... So unfortunately she won't get to gloat. :p

[Macalaure]

This is a very weird way to end a game. If at least we absolutely knew Farael won't return and could end the game. :(
Now we have to wait... and wait... until the deadline falls.
Ah, well.

[Rikae]

Last post! :p

[Durelin]

Nope...we've still got an hour to go. :(

[Macalaure]

*twirls thumbs* :D

[Durelin]

*attempts to hang herself and just ends up with a really big necklace*

[Rikae]

I am the weaver!

[Durelin]

And I, yet again, did not get the opportunity to be evil... :( :p

[Diamond18]

Early on Lhuna and Mac declared their intention to slay Durelin. The Lead Tragic Actor climbed upon her stage and said, "Forsooth! This is an evil day! Is there no one who will save me and slay the evil Lhuna?"

"I would try," said Rikae, "but I need Farael's help."

Crickets chirped.

"Oh! Woe is me! Woe! Woe! Woe!" cried Durelin, laying the back of one hand to her forehead. "I fear I am spent!"

Crickets continued to chirp.

"Well, I think we've waited long enough," said Mac. He seized Durelin by the arms and dragged her from the stage.

Lhuna awoke from her nap and mused, "Now where did I put my smothering pillow?"

"May I kill her this time?" Mac requested.

"Oh very well, love," Lhuna agreed.

"Excellent!" said Mac, and proceeded to drag Durelin (who was still going on about the tragedy of her young life) over to one of his newly built gibbets. "I haven't had a chance to use this all week!"

"DOOM!" Durelin interjected into her soliloquy.

Mac slung a black hood over her head. "Don't worry," he said kindly, "it's hypoallergenic."

"Tis little comfort!" came Durelin's muffed voice from inside the hood.

"So sorry," said Mac, cinching the noose tightly around her neck. "I always did like your monologues." With that, he pulled the lever on the gibbet and smiled with satisfaction as the trapdoor opened without a hitch.

Durelin fell, snapping her neck. There was some momentary twitching and jerking, then her body fell still.

Farael chose that moment to amble up. "Hullo," he said. "What's up? Did I miss anything?"

Rikae sighed. Crickets chirped.

Lhuna rose from her hammock with an evil leer, and then in a biologically improbable moment, was no longer Lhuna the Beautiful Girl but the Lhuna the Werebear.

"I love it when she does that!" Mac sighed.

Lhuna rose to her full height and roared, then set upon Farael. He tried to flee, but found himself spinning his legs ineffectually, running in place. Lhuna plucked him up and stuffed him in her mouth.

"This is oddly satisfying," said Rikae as she watched the bear devour him in a cacophony of screams and crushing bones. She glanced at Mac and saw him reading a book. "What's that?"

"101 Ways to Prepare Honied Elf," he said.

"There are 101 ways?"

"Amazing, isn't it? Would you like to be boiled alive or minced?"

"You are a strange and twisted individual."

"I know," he said, raising a butcher knife. "Love does funny things to a person." With that, he chopped off her head. It rolled over to Lhuna, who lazily batted it between her paws.

"So, love," asked Mac, "what shall we do tomorrow night?"

~*~*~*~

The Dead 'Uns

tgwbs - Tragic Elven Hero and Lover of Diamond - (co-mod) - Stabbed himself eight times and subsequently eaten by the Werebird

Diamond - Elven Maid - (mod) - Crushed in the embrace of the Werebear

Menel - Mad Scientist - (ordo) - Beaten with an undead leg and a chamber pot and stabbed with red hot tongs (Day 1)

Nogrod - a Smith of the Billmarins - (watcher) - Savagely murdered by the Werecat and devoured in the long grass (Night 2)

Arctic Storm - Raving Alcoholic, Resident Moocher, and Lover of Naria - (lover) - Devoured head first by the Werebird (Night 2)

Naria - Lemba Baker - (werecat) - Dashed out her brains on the Ringbearer's Rock (Night 2)

Kitanna - One Legged Chambermaid - (ordo) - Ripped in two by the Werebear (Night 2)

Rune - Humungous Fungus Grower - (ordo) - Minced up into fertilizer by the Werewolf (Night 2)

Holbytlass - Oliphaunt Whisperer and Lover of Fintaeph - (lover) - Burned at the stake (Day 2)

Fintaeph - Mutton Herder and Purveyor of Fine-Quality Undead Prosthetic Limbs - (werebird) - Died a fiery death trying to save his lover from the flames (Day 2)

Lommy - Ostrich Chaser - (ordo) - Lured into a dark alley and devoured by the Werewolf (Night 3)

JennyHallu - Countess and Lover of mormegil - (lover) - Ripped apart and scattered in countless pieces by the Werebear (Night 3)

Mormegil - City Street Cleaner - (werewolf) - Despaired and died amongst the shreds of his lover (Night 3)

Valier - Arranger - (ranger) - Smothered to death with a goosedown pillow (Day 3)

Kath - Flower Girl - (ordo) - Devoured in her flower garden by the Werebear (Night 4)

Durelin - Lead Tragic Actor - (ordo) - Tragically lynched on the day of DOOM (Day 4)

Farael - Patient Suffering from Mad Elf Disease - (ordo) - Devoured by the Werebear (Day 4)

Rikae - Contortionist - (ordo) - Decapitated in preparation for the Werebear's next meal (Day 4)

Winners:

Lhuna - Beautiful Girl with the Sleeping Sickness - (werebear)

Mac - Builder of gibbets, unemployed for millennia and Lover of Lhuna - (lover)

[Durelin]

GARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!!!!!

(For those of you who don't know, that was 'Arg' inverted.)

:p

[Rikae]

I'm guessing we can post, so I'd just like to say...

I told you Lhuna was evil!

[mormegil]

Well done Mac and Lhuna. One question, why Jenny? I was fairly convinced that Mac was evil yet I didn't know the lover ergo I didn't want to kill a male and not be 100% sure of it not killing another. I figured that when both pairs killed females they would figure out that we both had a male partner. Farael was a good smoke screen :D . Well done all.

Thanks Diamond.

[Macalaure]

Stupid real life. This could have been such a lovely day. :D
Those last hours were horrible. I would have loved to just tell you, but there was the tiny chance Farael really did turn up.

I'm too tired to properly gloat right now. I'll commence tomorrow. :p

[Durelin]

Oh...yeah...

Great game everyone!

;)

[Rikae]

At least I have the pleasure of knowing I voted for the werebear.

Farael ... there are no words ... :mad: :mad: :mad:.

Mac, very impressive.

Durelin, good game, we did our best...

Lhuna ... I guess you fooled Farael....good job...grrrr...

Everyone else, sorry I wasn't playing much until the end, good game though! See you in Jenny's game...

[Macalaure]

Why Jenny?

We were actually torn between Jenny and Lommy (I even proposed to kill Rune as well the first night, but Lhuna thought otherwise). Lommy and Valier were both suspicious of me the second day and might have voted me the next. But killing one of the two could have been too dangerous. I was afraid that Jenny would supply the third vote that would have killed me, so she had to go because she left few trails. We also thought she might be the careful lover of a bold were-creature.

[Farael]

Those last hours were horrible. I would have loved to just tell you, but there was the tiny chance Farael really did turn up.

I was actually counting on that, according to my calculations I'd make it home by the deadline... sadly, I got home just now. I stand by my choice though, I couldn't really decide and since there were no retractable votes and there was a slight chance I'd be back (and another slight chance that somoene would start gloating too soon) I figured I'd take a shot at it.

Well done Mac and Lhuna though... by the end of the day I was thinking Rikae and Mac may be the last pair, but since the options were Lhuna and Durelin... oh well, I WAS right on Holby and I got a lucky guess at Morm... although I do realize that my playing style is probably not the best for the village as a whole... perhaps they should listen to my first accusation, kill it, and then kill me :D

[Rikae]

FaraelI just wish you'd gotten back in time...we would have had a 50% chance -but it happens; it's just a game, after all.
And I suppose it's partly my fault, if I had you thinking I was a baddie...
Another thing is that I was reluctant to suspect Mac because I suspected him in the last game, and he turned out to be innocent. Oh well.

[Farael]

FaraelI just wish you'd gotten back in time...we would have had a 50% chance -but it happens; it's just a game, after all.
And I suppose it's partly my fault, if I had you thinking I was a baddie...
Another thing is that I was reluctant to suspect Mac because I suspected him in the last game, and he turned out to be innocent. Oh well.
It's all good... as you can probably guess I don't base my suspicions in facts, unless there are CLEAR facts... if we are going to be grasping at straws, I'll just follow my senses. I've been lucky thus far with that, but it's not a fool-proof thing... I've actually been through all of your posts a fair bit before I had to leave, but since I could find nothing incriminating and there were no patterns in voting in this game....

[Nogrod]

Quite a game!

Congrats to the winners, Mac and Lhuna, beautifully played!

It's funny to see how one can be right for absolutely wrong reasons. On Day1 I voiced my suspicions about Lhuna and as foremost knight around her arcticstorm. I felt there was something fishy there, but my deductions over the nature of that fishiness were purely false. :rolleyes:

Like some others, I thought Mac to be suspicious, but toned it down to survive the Night (one shouldn't suspect too many too heavily to stay alive during Nights)... And I just knew Morm to be evil! Because of his way of playing I chose him as my first dream (Night2) and he turned out to be the werewolf! Sadly I had no chance of telling that to anyone. :(

And surely I was totally wrong about Farael... I should learn to see through his style of play at last.

This was the second time I played the "seer" and I really loved it, the one Day I had time to play...

Thanks to Diamond for a hectic game, four deaths a Night makes the game quite stressing in a good way - even though I really would have loved to survive the first one...

Durelin and Rikae: brave fight to the end! Sad you didn't make it. It was so near - and at the same time so far.

[Macalaure]

I want to say thank you to everybody who offensively suspected me during the game. Knowing you're a baddie and defending yourself from just accusations and analyses was the greatest of fun. I was overjoyed when I read that Valier apparently had bought my excuses. :D And Jenny, believe it or not, I am sad the second part of your analysis never came to be.
Excuses to foremost Valier, Durelin, Farael, Rikae and Kath for trying to mess with their minds. It was part of the job description! ;)

[Volo]

This was fun to read, a good idea I must say! Congrats to Mac and Lhuna, you deserve it. Had a good laugh on Valier really being arranger... But then again, I'm now relieved that I came too late to play in this one, not that it was a bad game, no way.

[Kath]

Being right is small comfort when the end result is still a defeat. :rolleyes:

Very well done Mac and Lhuna! And kudos to everyone else still alive on that last Day, it was close.

Fantastic game and narrations Diamond - and what an idea! Four Lover pairs certainly made for an interesting game!

[JennyHallu]

That was an absolutely delightful game!! Kudos to everyone around, I don't think there was anyone who didn't perform beautifully.

[Fintaeph]

Hi everyone,

Thanks for making my first WW game an enjoyable one. I had a lot of fun. And congrats to Lhuna and Mac for being so delightfully evil. :-)

Regards,
Fintaeph.

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

So I finaly got to see an evil Lhuna. . . .But of course some one had to kill me before making my mind up about her!

[mormegil]

So I finaly got to see an evil Lhuna. . . .But of course some one had to kill me before making my mind up about her!

Due to past rivalries that was rather enjoyable to kill you Rune :D . Of course, Jenny kept me sane enough, or cautious enough, to not kill Kath. She feared that would be too obvious. :) Maybe next time.

[Holbytlass]

Honestly, I don't know where I went wrong in the very beginning! There's always someone who posts suspicions based on occupations and leaving Lommy off was a mistake in cutting/pasting, Oh well. Being my 11th game and first time lynched I congratulation Fareal for getting it done.

Being my first lynching, , ours (-my turtledove and I) was brilliant and funny. To my love(last time I get to call you that :D), I'm sorry that I took you down with me, this being your first game and all. I really think if you were on your own you would've made it to the end.

Great game all! And great modding Diamond, I look forward to the rest.

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

Yes brilliant modding by Di, although I was aiming for a same sex lover part. . . . ;)

I must say I did not suspect you for killing me Mormegil. . .When I found out I had been killed I thougt that it might be Lhuna or Valier. . .not because I found them very suspiciouse, but because I could see why they wanted me dead. I cannot belive I did not think of you. . . It should have been obviouse :p

[Diamond18]

Kath's death (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=496292&postcount=167) and the final narration (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=496372&postcount=195) are both up.

A big thank you to everyone who signed up, I loved watching you play... when I had the time. Unfortunately I was only able to skim the posts the last couple of days to get the gist of the action and count votes. :( I've been looking foreward to reading back over everything. I shall make comments on everyone later, for now I've been giving out some rather generic pos reps but I do appreciate everyone who played!

So, a few bits of gameplay info for the curious...

Watcher picks:

Dream: mormegil
Protect: Lommy

Ranger picks:

N2: Durelin
N3: mormegil

You all know the kills already. For a while though on Night 2 I thought Fintaeph was going to go after Lommy. So I had even written up the narration to have the Watcher do battle with the Werebird and prevail (using the Sword of Awesomeness....) before getting knocked off by the Werecat. Changing his mind to pick arcticstorm at the last moment (ten minutes before the deadline...) was a good move, however it forced me to edit out a line about the Werebird needing its lover to soothe its ruffled featheres. :p

I picked the roles using a deck of playing cards (LotR edition!). I had intended to have a female/female lover combo because of the higher number of females, but when I dealt the cards I ended up with exactly 2 male lovers and weres and 2 female lovers and weres. Morm, Lhuna, Naria and Fintaeph came up as Weres (the Ace, King, Jack and Queen of Hearts) and Mac, Jenny, Holby and arcticstorm came up as Lovers (2 through 5 of Hearts). So I found that kind of ironic and decided to go with opposite pairs after all. I did choose which combos to put together and who got to be which breed of were, but everything else was random. Valier being arRanger was kind of funny. I got a laugh out of that.

[Lhunardawen]

Oh Eru...I cannot believe this! Can someone pinch me just to make sure this isn't a hallucination caused by having a fever of almost 39 degrees C just when the game was ending? (I'm better now, though.)

Wow...I'm still overwhelmed. A big thanks really goes to Mac here. Basically all I did as the Werebear was throw some questions at him, a bit of ideas, then we both come out with our possible list of victims and see if there's a match. That's how Kitanna died Night 2.

But when there are no matches, which was what happened the next Night, I throw away my own ideas and heed his. He proposed Lommy, with Jenny in second place, the third Night. I was about to PM Di about Lommy, but suddenly figured that Lommy's less likely to be a Lover than Jenny (don't know how I came up with that). And so Jenny's death was sealed, along with morm's. That was so delightfully pleasing. :D

I really didn't want Kath to be killed the last Night, but we wanted Farael to be lynched, and thought we could do it easily, and killing Kath was the best course of action for that. So she died. I'm sorry, dear. At least there was no way I could carry out my really evil plan of betraying you in the nastiest way - like accusing you and Farael of being Lovers. :p

And I'm so sorry Rikae and Durelin, I can sympathize with the awful feeling of being so close to winning. Ah well, at least you both voted for me. Those were really shtoopid posts I put up the last Day. :rolleyes:

[Thinlómien]

I knew Mac was evil! I knew! I knew! I knew!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Okay, sorry. :rolleyes: At some phase (after my death) I was so intimidated by the possibility that Mac could have been innocent, that I almost ate my socks, though I was still quite certain I was right. ( <--- Lommy-flip-flopping, see...? :p) Though I thought Rikae was his lover, not Lhuna, the Queen of Lovers.

More comments to come after I've got over with the fact that I was right. *gloat* *gloat* *gloat*

;)

[Lhunardawen]

Queen of Lovers, eh? Pity I already have a PT (pun not intended, honest!). :D

[Macalaure]

I knew Mac was evil! I knew! I knew! I knew!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
But I wasn't! I only sympathised with an evil one! :p

[Nogrod]

But I wasn't! I only sympathised with an evil one! :pIn lovers' games that is counted... :D

[JennyHallu]

Riding a fine line there, Mac...

[Rikae]

Say, evil-sympathizer, I see you haven't signed up for Jenny's game. Sign up! I'm entitled to an opportunity for revenge. :p

[Lhunardawen]

Oh come now, people, cut him some slack. We all know what one can do when overpowered by Love. :D

[Macalaure]

Say, evil-sympathizer, I see you haven't signed up for Jenny's game. Sign up! I'm entitled to an opportunity for revenge. :p
I think I played six or seven games straight, so I think I'm in need of a break, just to keep the excitement up. Maybe I'll play in Fea's game.

In lovers' games that is counted... :D
No way! ;)

[Thinlómien]

In lovers' games that is counted... :D
No way! ;)Mac, this is a democracy and you're in the minority, accept it. It does count. :p

[Meneltarmacil]

Well I honestly hadn't been keeping up with the game since my demise, but it was interesting whle it lasted.

Anyhow, it seems like I've been getting killed rather early in most games lately. Could I somehow have been cursed like Eomer of the Rohirrim waswhen he used to participate in the game?

[Nogrod]

Anyhow, it seems like I've been getting killed rather early in most games lately. Could I somehow have been cursed like Eomer of the Rohirrim waswhen he used to participate in the game?I think the curse you have gotten over you seems to have spread over me too... :D

[The Only Real Estel]

Anyhow, it seems like I've been getting killed rather early in most games lately. Could I somehow have been cursed like Eomer of the Rohirrim waswhen he used to participate in the game?

I think that's what happens after you've pulled the wool over everyone's eyes and won a game as a wolf Menel, something you & he both have done. ;)

[Naria]

Great game everyone.

I must say that this is the first game that even the baddies were scarred at Night....I mean it was real hairy(no pun intended :p ) knowing that even the other baddies could kill another at Night. Me and my Loverly had our fingers and toes crossed when I sent in my kill that we wouldn't die, but that had no effect at all. Well it kinda did...I had a hard time unlocking my toes after :D

Mac and Lhuna, hat's off to you both!! Mac you were so cool and collected that I had no idea that you were bad and Lhuna, well...you didn't pull out your "Lhuna-tic-ness" so I thought you were innocent. :rolleyes:

And lastely, sorry Noggy...again. I had a sneaking suspicion that you were something and had to find out what it was.

[Macalaure]

Thank you, Naria.

I think that's what happens after you've pulled the wool over everyone's eyes and won a game as a wolf Menel, something you & he both have done. ;)
Seems like it doesn't look well for me. :eek: