Tol-in-Gaurhoth XXVI - Úcenite Valto - Planning and Discussion Thread

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

I have within my mind a special game of Tol-in-Gaurhoth. One wherein the only importance is of play; of deduction, of self-reliance and of strategy. Of team work, and of betrayal. Of using your wits to win a game of thought. Of working together and working alone. A game wherein nothing is given to you but time. A game where every choice made is your own. I have hand picked you all to play in a game built specifically for you, to be played at a time most convenient for you as a group.

I would have you all, if you would consent. What say you?

-Feanor- Welcome all to the organization and planning thread of my latest pet project.

A number of you have been invited for play in this. Pending whim, several more will join your ranks before we begin.

I will update the player list as positions are confirmed.

Game details will, as they have been thus far, remain within the keeping of myself and one other whose identity will remain a secret for his own safety. ;) They will be announced officially at the beginning of the game.

Some of you know more than others. Quite frankly, I don't remember who knows what. But you're welcome to chat amongst yourselves and share thoughts up 'til roles are sent out. Eru knows you'll need all the help you can get.

Confirmed players may use this thread to ask questions, discuss theories for the game, and whatever else werewolf-related springs to mind.

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Confirmed Players:

mormegil
Anguirel
the phantom
Roa_Aoife
Eomer of the Rohirrim
Kath
littlemanpoet
The Saucepan Man
Mithalwen
Estelyn Telcontar
Diamond18
Nogrod
Boromir88

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Game Thread (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showthread.php?t=13393)

[the phantom]

But you're welcome to chat amongst yourselves and share thoughts up 'til roles are sent out. Eru knows you'll need all the help you can get.

Confirmed players may use this thread to ask questions, discuss theories for the game, and whatever else werewolf-related springs to mind.
Well, then let's get this thing going.

Ang, morm, Roa- have anything to share?

All I know is that Fea had a big hand in designing the game, which means it will be borderline insane and likely to be very bloody and will probably end lopsided because Fea will favor one side with the rules just to be evil. :p

And I also suspect that Fea will make me a WW and then strongly encourage everyone to vote for me on day 1 by making one of the game rules- "If tp is still alive on Day 2 the Wolves automatically win". The main reason she'll do this to me is to get me into the Fenris Wolf siggy club.

Yes, yes... I'm onto you Fea!

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Yes, yes... I'm onto you Fea!Clever boy.

[mormegil]

No seer, correct?

Phantom, it's been a while since we last played. I look forward to it. The only thing I can suspect from this game is the unexpected so I know not where to begin, though I do hope that the wolves are randomized as I would actual believe what the phantom said.

[the phantom]

No seer
That would be typical Fea. In Werewolf 4 she was an innocent villager and said this-
Our gifted villagers are a perk, nothing more. They are just as expendable as anyone else. So what if the Seer dies?
She obviously doesn't care much for Seers.
Phantom, it's been a while since we last played. I look forward to it.
I do, as well. :)

[Anguirel]

I've always believed that the main benefit of Gifteds is psychological. And narrative. But not really practical. Villages have survived without a Seer; it takes a truly skilled Ranger to make any saves; and a truly skilled Hunter to be a help not a hindrance...

Still, I do like Rangers. Being a Ranger is second only in entertainment value to being a Wolf Lover...

Back to the subject...I'm afraid I know no arcane secrets.

[the phantom]

I see Eomer has been added to the list. Honestly, I was surprised not to see him on there right off the bat.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

I think, given my lack of reliability on the RPGs, Fea was unsure as to whether I still existed, and so exercised caution before getting your hopes up. :p

I am very interested in this Seer-business.

[the phantom]

I see Kath has been added. Welcome, m'dear.

So Fea, any chance we will see lmp?

And please tell me SPM and Kuru will be coming to the party.

[Kath]

Nice to be here.

Looks like lmp is already with us.

[The Saucepan Man]

And please tell me SPM and Kuru will be coming to the party.Well, I had intended to hang up my Werewolfing boots for quite some time, but I felt compelled to make an exception in this case.

The player list so far, not to mention the mysterious nature of the game and the fact that Fea is modding are really rather irresistible.

I am, however, somewhat out of practice, so please be gentle with me. ;)

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

I felt compelled to make an exception in this case.And I am so very glad you did...

[the phantom]

lmp has joined! I knew it. ;)

And I got half of my SPM-Kuru wish. :cool:

I'm out of practice too, Sauce, so don't worry. You won't be the only one struggling to regain form.

*gasp* :eek:

Kate Beckin- er, I mean Mith has joined! Well, well, my old gaffer always said I was born lucky.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Ah, this is lovely.

[Mithalwen]

Since so many of the original dozen have returned I am hoping for a return to the form I showed in that game and never regained ..I picked two wolves in the first game and a total of two since... dismal..... ah well ..

And Phantom - you are adorable but Kate B is very wide of the mark :D Alas for me ....

[Anguirel]

Esty making a comeback too, goodness...Fea's persuasion knows no limit...

Shall we pick roles and all that sort of thing? What kind of a village can we expect, I wonder? Maybe a slimmed down back story to emphasise rationality...but I do rather like being an ironmonger or whatever...

[The Saucepan Man]

This game is looking better and better by the day ...

Maybe a slimmed down back story to emphasise rationality ...Rationality? In a game run by Fea ...?! ;)

[Mithalwen]

Quite... I suspect her keeness on me playing is to ensure an element of irrationality... :o however I am determined to be in accountant mode.. and if I succeed no doubt my unnatural calm and use of statistics will ensure an early trip to the gallows on the grounds of behaving oddly.... :p

Oh well, I will enjoy flirting with the Phantom in the meantime.. do we know when we start?

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

do we know when we start?I'd hoped for Sunday, but that may be a little too optimistic. Within the next few days, though. Sorry I can't be more specific.

Shall we pick roles and all that sort of thing?
I'm not sure yet. I know! I'm so non-commital.

I'll let you know before the day's end, though.

[Estelyn Telcontar]

Sometimes very persistent birds, early or not, do manage to catch elusive, reluctant worms...

[the phantom]

Eeek! It's the terrifying Esty! How did you ever get up the nerve to send her an invite, Fea?

You can't decide about roles? Interesting. How will you do a narrative with no roles?

Knowing you, you probably haven't even decided if you're going to have wolves or not.

And Mith- Kate B is "wide of the mark"? Hmm... now that I think of it I suppose that's true seeing as you're much much smarter than Kate. Mixing the two of you up would be an insult to you.

Any comments on the title, people? Anyone have their list of Elvish root words handy? Or is it an anagram? "Evil taco tune"?

[Roa_Aoife]

Knowing you, you probably haven't even decided if you're going to have wolves or not.

Now there's a game for you- no wolves, just some random psychopath leaving messages to make the villagers believe it's wolves and then kill each other out of paranoia. Sounds like that old episode of the Twilight Zone. You know, the one where the power goes off in every house except one, just after an alien invasion was announced.... That was a good one.

To my knowledge, it's a barebones, 12 player, 3 werewolf, no holds barred MATCH OF DOOM!!!!!!! I mean, that's how I got talked into this...

As for what Fea will do, it will be the opposite of what we will expect, which will now be the opposite of what we weren't expecting. The whole game will be a massive multiple bluff meant to confuse and torture us. There probably won't be any wolves at all- Fea will just randomly kill someone everynight until we go crazy trying to find a connection between them and there are only two of us left and then they will be eaten by the zombies of the other villagers.

So, in conclusion, I'm really looking forward to this. :cool:

[littlemanpoet]

What an astoundingly great crew of players. I'm humbled to be amongst you all. Maybe Fea's going to start each new day with "Assume nothing!" :p aka ATM. Yeah, no werewolves.

I know why Esty's back. She wants to prove that no-one but she can be 100% successful, and in more than 2 games. :D

This is going to be a very talkative game. I'm NOT going to be able to keep up. :eek:

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

You can't decide about roles? Interesting. How will you do a narrative with no roles?You'd be surprised. It's more that I was toying with whether or not I wanted the writing freedom or if I wanted to constrain myself plot-wise (more than the format of the game already does this) by working with roles you guys want.

But I'm going to continue with my current idea of mental vacation and leave it up to you. Would you prefer picking your own roles, or shall I merely write what comes to me?

Knowing you, you probably haven't even decided if you're going to have wolves or not.If only you knew...

Any comments on the title, people?One comment: it's very applicable.

[the phantom]

Fea will just randomly kill someone everynight until we go crazy trying to find a connection between them and there are only two of us left and then they will be eaten by the zombies of the other villagers.
Good call, Roa. If she doesn't do it this game, she probably will in the future.

Or how about this-

In this game the wolves win only if they are all lynched! Their goal is to be killed. The village must lynch someone every day, only they try as hard as possible to lynch non-wolves instead of wolves. That sound like something Fea would do.
Any comments on the title, people?
One comment: it's very applicable.
Hee hee. Not that you intended it, but "Úcenite Valto" can be rearranged to spell "taut violence".

Seems applicable. :D

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

If she doesn't do it this game, she probably will in the future.You've found me out again. How do you keep doing it?

Not that you intended it, but "Úcenite Valto" can be rearranged to spell "taut violence".Ugh! Can I keep no secrets?

[Estelyn Telcontar]

Úcenite = "not-seeing" (source: quenya lapseparma)

Valto = "luck" (source: ambar-eldaron)

"blind luck/chance" looks like the Quenya definition of the title...

[Mithalwen]

The no wolves scenario also occured to me .... but maybe it will be yet more devious.... certainly it won't be dull....

Oh Phantom, really Kate Beckinsale was read languages at Cambridge (or Oxford I forget.. so she probably is brighter than me.... maybe I should have said I am wider than Kate B .. which is certainly true alas.... :p

[the phantom]

"Blind luck", eh Esty?

You know what that means. Everyone polish your coins, cause we're going to be doing some flipping.

But why, I wonder? Perhaps the gifts (ranger, hunter) and the curses (werewolves) switch people every night randomly, so the same person is usually not a wolf two days in a row. So when we lynch someone who has the werewolf curse, we haven't actually found someone who's been a WW all along- we've merely found a person who just happened to be one on that day, and eliminated one of the three WW curses that is bouncing around in the village.

And you're just trying to be modest, Mith. I know better.

[Kath]

phantom, if that isn't Fea's plan for the game, I sincerely suggest you mod one yourself in the new future and implement it because it sounds like a fantastic idea.

[the phantom]

Maybe next summer, Kath.

And I just noticed Di has been added. In the words of Magneto, "Welcome to the brotherhood".

[Roa_Aoife]

From the list of players, I think it's safe to say this will be the noisiest game of werewolf since Deuling Wizards. Let's see if we can't get 4 pages by the end of Day 1. :D

Blind Luck? Sweet! That's how I always win!

[the phantom]

I think it's safe to say this will be the noisiest game of werewolf since Deuling Wizards. Let's see if we can't get 4 pages by the end of Day 1.
We'll see. I think it might depend on the rules. If the rules allow for lots of strategy talk, then we will see the fourth page easily, but if the rules negate strategy and exclusively promote "blind luck", then we won't have much to say.

On the issue of not having a Seer, it seems to me that there must be a WW weakness to balance this. For villages have a history of losing even with a Seer. Without a Seer the deck is stacked against the village in a huge way unless the WWs also have something taken away from them.

Perhaps they aren't allowed to pm with each other except through a mod, and they don't know the identities of their fellow wolves?

Or perhaps there is only one WW?! :eek:

Now that would be insane. There'd be no way to identify him/her with votes because there would be no fellow wolves to work with. And take away the Seer and there is no way at all to spot the lone WW. It would indeed be blind luck.

[Diamond18]

Wasn't Magneto the bad guy?

http://us.i1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/mesg/emoticons7/23.gif

[the phantom]

Wasn't Magneto the bad guy?
Pyro: They say you're the bad guy.
Magneto: Is that what they say?

[Nogrod]

I might say that the presence of a Seer is a threat for the werecreatures, but nothing more if the Seer is not actually "gifted" in her/his role or just pure lucky.

But the ranger I see more of a threat to the wolves and a balancing factor in the games. With a ranger around the wolves need to be careful with their picks and that really slows them down...

So if we are to limit the gifteds, why don't we just have a ranger (or two) without a seer? That might be different and fun and interesting!

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

On the issue of not having a Seer, it seems to me that there must be a WW weakness to balance this.Judging by all of his questions, you'd think he doesn't trust me.

[the phantom]

I don't, sweetie. After a few games of WW you lose the ability to trust.

Not that I'd trust you anyway. ;)

And welcome to the party, Nogrod.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

sweetieI should kill you first night.

♥

[Roa_Aoife]

NOGROD! *glomp*

I was hoping you'd be here, if for no other reason than that I need someone to distrust immediately, and argue with until one of us dies. ;)

As for gifteds, I'm sure Fea knows what she's doing.... *gulp*

Someone will probably be gifted and none of us will know it. And then they'll come forward and we'll call them liars and lynch them. Or there will be two seers and one is a wolf! Dear God, Fea, you ARE diabolical!

I disbelieve the illusion!

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Lucky Thirteen.

I'll post the basics tonight, send out roles shortly thereafter, and we can start late tomorrow.

Good luck. You'll need it.

[Nogrod]

NOGROD! *glomp*

I was hoping you'd be here, if for no other reason than that I need someone to distrust immediately, and argue with until one of us dies. ;) Oh, Mrs. Roa (congratulations!), how bad! I had just thought that we could see this as a chance to at last come together... :rolleyes:

Looking at the stats, I think you have been a baddie a lot more often than I have, so from the point of view of any reasonable villager, you will be the one who is the baddie and I'm the goodie - how beautiful your rhetorics will be...

But, and sincerely, sharing a victory would be the best of all (we have done it once, if I recall it right?). I really would love that.

We'll see... :)

[Roa_Aoife]

So, wait....

What time are we starting?

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

The game thread has been opened. Please refrain from posting on it until the first Day begins.

The wolves have been informed of their identities. If you did not receive a PM, you are an ordinary villager. Congratulations on your distinct normalcy.

You are all welcome to PM me at any time. Please use your discretion in the use of this thread from now on; save it for announced absences, questions pertaining to rules... that sort of thing. If in doubt, just PM me.

Please make yourselves invisible if you have not already.

The first Night will be posted at an unspecified time tomorrow (11/12/06). The first Day will occur at 10:00 PM (EST) following it. With no Seer, a lengthy first Night is absolutely pointless.

Good luck, dear players, and thank you for playing. I very much hope you enjoy yourselves.

[Estelyn Telcontar]

I would like to make a statement in advance about my time zone and its effect on my posting. 10pm CT is 4am EST. That means that I will not be posting for several hours before the day/night cycle ends/begins. Sleep has priority! If you're looking for lots of last-minute action, lynch me on the first day. :rolleyes:

Actually, I'm not sure what the content of our posts should be - we can't speculate on cooperation of werewolves, since they don't know each others' identity. Are we to adopt a character and post in character? Not that that would help, but at least it would give us something to write...

And since there is no PMing by any of us, is there a reason for the request for players to be invisible online?

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Actually, I'm not sure what the content of our posts should be - we can't speculate on cooperation of werewolves, since they don't know each others' identity.There was a reason each of you were chosen. You all know me. You also know each other, at least to a point.

Though I didn't directly choose the wolves, you may not want to assume it was a completely random choice. :smokin:

And since there is no PMing by any of us, is there a reason for the request for players to be invisible online?Tradition, mostly. I can't think of any die hard reasoning, but I also know I'm a bit distracted lately. Keeping players on invisible means that it doesn't matter if I forgot anything.

[Estelyn Telcontar]

once again...

Are we to adopt a character and post in character?

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Once again...

I'm going to continue with my current idea of mental vacation and leave it up to you. Would you prefer picking your own roles, or shall I merely write what comes to me?

[littlemanpoet]

I rather enjoy being the village grave digger. It allows me to write bad poetry. :p

[Anguirel]

I shall be an exhausted and overworked student of literature (post-modern ironic ha ha blimming ha).

[Nogrod]

If it comes to this, I will be a retired professor of philosophy who has turned to hate everything theoretical... and who will slip from his role at the first instant. :D

There was a nice game where everyone where required to post in-character all the game, in RPG-style, just a month ago or something. It was fun and it worked. But that requires pre-game planning and consent of all the players. Here we have not such a thing and so I think it's just best we go the way we wish...

So maybe we do not need any characters? In most of the games they have been a sham anyway...

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Any choice to write in character is your own and will affect the game only insomuch as you - individually and as a group - allow it to do so.

[Diamond18]

Um... we're starting today? Nogrod, Boromir, and I are all still playing another game. Is this going to be a problem?

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Um... we're starting today? Nogrod, Boromir, and I are all still playing another game. Is this going to be a problem?Not for me.

Tell me now if you guys need a delay.

[Diamond18]

I can't speak for Nogord and Boromir, but I would find it difficult to juggle both games. I cannot tell you when I will be available, though, as I don't know.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Bah.

Choice One: Start the game tonight and hope for the best in terms of those who are a bit busy.

Choice Two: Delay the game and risk uncertain moderatorial ability to guarantee hours and access nearing the end.

I don't much like either choice.

Therefore my room mate just recommended the perfect decision: blind luck.

Flipping a coin (technically a bottle cap, and technically I'm throwing it and then going to find it and look which side landed up... I am a resourceful person when it comes to chance...).

We'll begin tonight.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

My apologies - and so soon! - but I will be all but inaccessable until late tomorrow morning.

If any questions turn up that I don't seem to be around to answer... make something up. :cool:

[Roa_Aoife]

2 hours in and I regret to inform everyone that I will be unavailable until several hours before the end of the day. Look for this pattern- I'll be here at the beginning and at the end, but I'll miss most of the in-between.

[Estelyn Telcontar]

Grave digger, lit student, philosophy professor - what practical, typical village professions! :rolleyes: :p Somebody has to nurture the rest of the inhabitants, so I have decided to be a milkmaid. I definitely need a role to make posting interesting for me, as I see nothing logical to reason about in this game.

[Mithalwen]

Given the company I'm in.. I think I will be the Village Idiot or the Fool if you prefer something slightly more PC and Shakespearean....

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

On Ties: Only one person will be lynched each Day, just as only one person will be killed each Night. In the event of a mass tie, the first two to reach the number of votes required for the tie will be the two decided between. Remember that you may retract your votes once; this may have bearing on how you decide to strategize.

So what do we think would happen if nobody voted? Or would Fea just roll her eyes, flip her coin and lynch someone at random?
That is precisely what I'd do. One death per Day, one death per Night.

On Moderatorial Integrity: Coins have been used and will be used again. If I had meant for your participation to have no bearing on the outcome, I would have stuck with my original plan of no wolves, no gifteds, just a bunch of paranoid villagers killing people (with me picking people off each night) until somebody is left standing, only to fall to the Moderator. That, however, is neither fun nor fair. Though I have nothing against "subtly misleading" you, as then it becomes your own problem of interpretation, I will not lie.

On Wolf Identities: One wolf was hand chosen by me. The other was not. Welcome, yet again, to mixed rationality and luck.

Now for a bit of speculation causes shivers down my gaming spine: what if Feamoderator is the third werewolf? Is that completely outside the realm of possibility? :eek:
I can do that? :eek: Is it too late?

Alas, there are only two wolves. In retrospect, do you have any idea how fun that would be?

And yet... completely unfair.

[Boromir88]

If it's not too late I would like to be the town Sociologist surveyer. (DIdn't know we were going with roles in this one :D ).

[the phantom]

As far as my role, I will be the town phantom, for I am undoubtedly far more interesting than any character I could ever make up.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

I know I just started the Day over two hours early, but I need to disappear. I'll poke my head in before classes in the morning. This early start will not affect the end time of the Day.

[Roa_Aoife]

Just saw this:

There probably won't be any wolves at all- Fea will just randomly kill someone everynight until we go crazy trying to find a connection between them

If I had meant for your participation to have no bearing on the outcome, I would have stuck with my original plan of no wolves, no gifteds, just a bunch of paranoid villagers killing people (with me picking people off each night) until somebody is left standing, only to fall to the Moderator.

I so called it.... :cool:

[the phantom]

We need victory conditions, Fea.

When two WWs are killed, does the village win?

When the number of villagers equals the number of WWs, do the WWs win?

In order to make this village completely legitimate you must provide victory conditions, for a game/competition/activity without known and attainable objectives is not a real game/competition/activity.

[Estelyn Telcontar]

I should offer myself voluntarily for lynching before my reputation goes (even farther) downhill - apparently someone thinks my posting on this game is worth a bunch of negative points! :eek:

[the phantom]

That neg rep was me, Esty, cause I hate your guts. You see, before you joined this village I was going to be the most popular person here, but you ruined that for me!

As we speak I'm running around as quickly as possible trying to deal out ten reps so I can go back and neg rep you again.

I'll never forgive you.

[Estelyn Telcontar]

@ phantom: :p

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

We need victory conditions, Fea.Oh, I suppose.

You'll find out who wins when there's one person left and I let you know what his or her role is.

[Bêthberry]

There were never, nor will there ever be, more than two wolves. If you weren't a wolf, you won't become one.


Correct me if I'm wrong, but did she ever categorically deny that anyone outside the game could be a wolf? Wasn't that just phantom's deduction?

:D

[the phantom]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but did she ever categorically deny that anyone outside the game could be a wolf? Wasn't that just phantom's deduction?
No, no, no, I never said you weren't a WW. I just said that you were definitely not one of the two WWs that the village must slay, for Fea specifically said that two of the thirteen "players" were WWs, and she clearly defined who the players were.

I ended by saying, "If Beth is a WW, she is an extra."

[Bêthberry]

No, no, no, I never said you weren't a WW. I just said that you were definitely not one of the two WWs that the village must slay, for Fea specifically said that two of the thirteen "players" were WWs, and she clearly defined who the players were.

I ended by saying, "If Beth is a WW, she is an extra."


I wasn't speaking of myself. I used the word "anyone."

[the phantom]

What's true for you is true for "anyone". ;)

[Bêthberry]

@ phantom: :p


Ooohhh! two in one day

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

apparently someone thinks my posting on this game is worth a bunch of negative pointsI've been neg-repped also. It would appear my narratives are causing quite the stir. For my unidentified critic: Yes.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Delight, delight, I've just been reminded that I've a ticket to a show I have a many-layered obligation to see. Though I hope I'll be back in time to have a narrative post up by 11:00, if you see no posts from me at 10:00, assume I'm still in a theatre.

[The Saucepan Man]

I assume that we should still not be posting after the deadline ...?

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

You're good. The show was about 45 minutes shorter than expected. I'm here, I'll post for you to stop at 10:00, narration will be rather similar to before.

[Mithalwen]

I've been neg-repped also. It would appear my narratives are causing quite the stir. For my unidentified critic: Yes.


Fea, if you have a inkling as to whom this spineless critic is there is a simple way of confirming suspicions.... :smokin:

[Diamond18]

I haven't been neg repped. Am I not trying hard enough?

[Estelyn Telcontar]

You're being too serious, Di - you need to be sillier... ;) :rolleyes:

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

there is a simple way of confirming suspicions...Why bother? If the rep was important enough for me to pay attention to, it would have been signed. Since it wasn't, I can only surmise that it was a tongue-in-cheek comment approving my fictional skills, and that the truly careless repper accidentally hit negative instead of positive. And if I can't trust an apparently high-ranking member of the 'Downs to know which button to push, how can I trust his or her critical judgment? Yes, I thought so...

Not worth the effort.

[Diamond18]

You're being too serious, Di - you need to be sillier... ;) :rolleyes:

It will be difficult, but I shall try.

[Estelyn Telcontar]

Actually, it's a shame that the character roles disappeared so quickly, were almost non-existent. I could have had such fun with the milkmaid identity - see the beginning of the notorious 'Revenge of the Entish Bow' for previous milkmaid writing...


*Merisuwyniel peeks around the corner

[Diamond18]

Actually, I purposefully did not chose a role this game, so that I could play the role of Diamond exclusively. ;)

[Estelyn Telcontar]

Diamond is a girl's best friend, eh?!

[the phantom]

I've been neg-repped also. It would appear my narratives are causing quite the stir. For my unidentified critic: Yes.
Seriously?! "Yes" is your answer??!!

Oh, joy of joys! You won't regret this Fea! I'll give you the biggest wedding ever!!
I haven't been neg repped. Am I not trying hard enough?
Please, try to have some patience. I can only give out so many reps in one day. I'll try to get around to you tomorrow. Thursday is my day for neg-repping all the admins.
Actually, it's a shame that the character roles disappeared so quickly
I'm still in character.
there is a simple way of confirming suspicions
I really don't think torture is the answer here.

[Bêthberry]

I haven't been neg repped. Am I not trying hard enough?

Perhaps on a random game, it is simply a random response and there's nothing you can do to encourage receiving one?


Seriously?! "Yes" is your answer??!!

Oh, joy of joys! You won't regret this Fea! I'll give you the biggest wedding ever!!

And so the game, like all true comedies, will end with a marriage. But how random is that?

Sorry for butting in. Another one of those random, spontaneous outbursts. :D

[the phantom]

*gasp*

I do believe I've solved the case!

Our villain has made one of the most common criminal mistakes...

Returning to the scene of the crime!

I can't believe it took me this long to see it. It's Beth! She's the neg-rep culprit!

++Bêthberry

Lynch her quick, before she reps again!

[Nogrod]

Actually, it's a shame that the character roles disappeared so quickly, were almost non-existent. I could have had such fun with the milkmaid identity - see the beginning of the notorious 'Revenge of the Entish Bow' for previous milkmaid writing...You should join one of the rpg-style games Estelyn! We had one this fall and it was actually really nice! At least I loved it...


And just a comment on this neg-rep -issue (sorry to be the bore again): I just don't see how it might ever be defendable to neg-rep anonymiously. I just can't see the justification. If someone has a grudge over someone, let her/him stand for her/his words and come out into the open.

Looking at the players list I'm though inclined to think it's a joke I just can't see the point of.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

I'm spending tomorrow in class and in a car, but before I can go home, I need to finish my homework and pack. Therefore I started Day early.

Feel free to post. This is purely for my convenience. Starting Day two hours early will not affect the end time.

[the phantom]

Just to let everyone know starting about 11 hours from now I will be completely gone for several hours, but I will be (should be, anyway) back for the latter part of the day.

[Mithalwen]

I really don't think torture is the answer here.

No torture is required ... just the ignore list.... :D

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

I sincerely hope you guys don't need me for anything today... classes blocked from nine to one, followed by a few hours in the car. Don't know when, exactly, I'll be near a computer again. Certainly tonight, but timing-wise? Yeah... no clue.

[Bêthberry]

++Bêthberry


*puts on very best Sally Field voice*

You love me, you love me, you really do! :p (There! That's three)

Two votes for lynching someone not even in the game? That's got to be some kind of record for WW, but of course thoroughly in keeping with randomised game.

I'm quite surprised, though, to see phantom join the ranks of those who try to draw Bb into WW. I wouldn't have expected him to bother. And I see Spm keeps referring to my intrusion on the game thread. So I'm toying with ideas on how to reply.

Should I begin a WW analysis like I see you all doing on the game thread?

Let's see; shall I try Esty's balliwick of compliment and praise? "Oh, Phantom, I'm thrilled! It is a great pleasure to bask in the glow of your august regard." Naw, I see where that kind of thing has got Esty toDay (see, I've even learnt WW spelling now)--posting madly to prove her innocence and thereby increasing her visibility. Or should I delete this and maintain a low profile, like Kath? Or do I go for loud bluster like Ang--he who first fingered the wolf yesterDay (I think)? 'Oh what ho and tally ho and bob's your parrot?" Oops, no, alas and alack I fall into Python mode. Like Di, shall I too point out my complete innocence--after all, I've never played a game and so I am-insert applicable latin tag here to impress the loyer and Ang--an innocent. But I inadvertently posted on the game and drew all this attention to myself. *gasp* does that make me a wolf? Should I channel all my energies into a Roa-like analysis of my three fleeting posts? What? and risk discovering what a bore it is to reread some of my stuff?


Lynch her quick, before she reps again!

Oh, there's a likely strategy! Lynch me so I won't be able to rep at all--not even positively!

Honestly, don't you guys have any RL things to do? I'm even beginning to imagine a SpM speaking before the Judge in WW mode--and worse yet, to imagine that staid British judge, complete with his silly wig, answering him, as a wolf.

Must grab ahold of myself before this goes any farther.... :( :eek:

[Bêthberry]

Maybe I'm already too far gone.... :p

On the game thread, SpM posted:



The village slept, and the unhappy spirits slept uneasily in their graves, and the gravedigger dreamt of his death, and in his dream a child screamed, and a red-haired man looked blindly to his past, and a hound howled; and they returned to him, and a woman wept; and he heard the faint tap dance of rolling dice.

This leapt out at me from the narration of our gravedigger’s death. Not sure if it means anything, but if there are clues to be found they may be here. Any red-haired men present?

Why the sound of rolling dice? Wasn't the Evil Moddess going to roll dice if the wolves picked different people or if the villages produced a tie? And with just one wolf, there shouldn't be any dice? And why does Spm raise this point but not answer it?

I think I'm missing sumthin.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Again, I can't promise punctual internet access. I miss my computer already.

[Estelyn Telcontar]

[Bones voice]She's dead, Jim.[/Bones voice]

[Kath]

Ok, apology time, and I'll reiterate it in the other thread later. I didn't post yesterday due to an extremely long and complicated train journey that should have taken 3 hours at most and took close on 6. I hopped on here quickly intending to post, but was then distracted by Children in Need. Meant to come back around halfway through when they start repeating everything but just completely forgot.

I know, I'm being completely useless this game. :rolleyes: If I don't turn up tomorrow lynch me, it'll serve me right and might teach me a lesson for future games.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

[Bones voice]She's dead, Jim.[/Bones voice]
Hehe... I totally said that yesterday. I was being a Star Trek nerd amongst some professors and one happened to be named James...

[/random thought moment]

On ToNight: let me know, 'k?

[Roa_Aoife]

*gasp* No sooner do I dies than recieve an unsigned neg-rep! Mysteries of mysteries!

*remembers that ghost can't talk* I'll shut up now.

[Mithalwen]

This anon neg repping is verging on a hate campaign ..... ... beyond belief really...

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

So I've been invited out for some quality Bonding time with my big brothers tonight. We're seeing Casino Royale, I do believe.

Since I'm not turning down the opportunity, rest assured that there is every chance I won't be around at 10:00. I'll post ASAP after the 10PM deadline, but I don't know when it will be. Apologies in advance...

[Nogrod]

This anon neg repping is verging on a hate campaign ..... ... beyond belief really...The neg-repper affirmed me it is a joke... in a neg-rep, to be sure. :rolleyes: :D

[Mithalwen]

I don't see where the joke is ... unless they also find it funny to ring people's doorbells and run away....

[the phantom]

The neg-repper affirmed me it is a joke
Oh... I get it now! Ha ha ha ha! :D

That's a good one!

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

How amusing. Remind me to thank the person for a truly inventive way of securing my laughter.

[Diamond18]

I've joined the club, I feel so special. But there goes my squeaky clean reputation.

[the phantom]

Since our mod is gone, let's get into trouble on the game thread by continuing to yap after hours. I mean, if we behave all by ourselves, then that would mean we didn't need a mod, which would make Fea feel pretty useless. :D

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Wrong. I'm here. I feel useful. Behave and I might give you a cookie.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Anguirel, if you're still around, PM me and we'll have a brief chat before I post.

[the phantom]

I don't see where the joke is ... unless they also find it funny to ring people's doorbells and run away
Oh, yes, that's a classic joke. It's especially good when the person is in the tub.

And Nog, Di- you were repped? But you're living! I thought only the dead were getting those things. Is no one safe?
But there goes my squeaky clean reputation.
What, you've never been negged before? You poor thing. :(
Behave and I might give you a cookie.
I behaved.

Cookie please.

And also- is it just me, or has anyone else noticed a bit of a Shakespeare thing going on in the narrative? At least I think it's Shakespeare that I'm reminded of. Could be Twain though. It's hard to tell those two apart.

[Mithalwen]

Mind you ... worse than people ringing the door bell and running away is people ringing it and wanting you to change your utilities supplier or join a cult or demanding sweets with menaces (trick or treating .... why must British children adopt such Americanisms when there is the far more wholesome home grown activity of getting money on return for making an effigy to be burnt ... I don't know what is the world coming too... :p ) and so forth

[Mithalwen]

And also- is it just me, or has anyone else noticed a bit of a Shakespeare thing going on in the narrative? At least I think it's Shakespeare that I'm reminded of. Could be Twain though. It's hard to tell those two apart.


Hate to think what they didn't teach youin school. There has been a lot of Shakespeare but I think we may have gone earlier for Ang - seemed more Chaucerian to me.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Hate to think what they didn't teach youin school. There has been a lot of Shakespeare but I think we may have gone earlier for Ang - seemed more Chaucerian to me.
The phantom's cookie has been revoked, just as he knew would happen if he compared Shakespeare to Twain in my line of sight. :cool:

And Ang, literary scholar as his role declared, was graced with some Chaucer, a bit of the story of Tristram and Isolde... there's a bit of Beowulf in there... and I'll be hanged if I can remember what else snuck its way in last night.

[Anguirel]

It was beautiful, m'lady. The only problem is I'm unsure who I'm supporting now...I hope, anyway, that there is a chance of redemptive grace for your Ladyship should the village prove triumphant.

In the meantime, I love you.

[Kath]

Ok, I have a grand total of an hour to post today because I'm off to see Muse which involves much travelling, meeting people, more travelling, getting lost and so on. My vote will come extremely early so my apologies.

[The Saucepan Man]

My turn has come.

My melodramatic rant against blind justice earned me a neg rep. :D

Not sure how many points, but I assume that it's the same person.

[the phantom]

My second post today got one. It said "full of sound and fury". Very accurate description of my post, I must say. :)

[The Saucepan Man]

Hehe. The comment that I received was: "this is too much even for you". :D

Edit: Still, at least the comment that you received, phantom, is continuing the Shakespearian theme.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

I'm amused at this point.

But I'm also curious as to whethere or not our resident prankster will have the cajones to come forward and admit to the delicious play.

[Estelyn Telcontar]

I bet someone is trying to spread some Christmas spirit early - after all, that red box spruces up the green ones, doesn't it?! ;)

[the phantom]

I bet someone is trying to spread some Christmas spirit early - after all, that red box spruces up the green ones, doesn't it?!
There are green ones too?

[Nogrod]

Now that you mention it Esty, yes indeed! Maybe we should ban all the rep-giving until Christmas so that we could see the bright red light on the christmas-eve as we log in... Or how was it in America last year, the Holiday? :D

[Bêthberry]

Drat you phantom.


Then don't lie when you're a wolf, Mith.

When you read my posts in Werewolf X (I was a wolf in that game) you will find that I barely lied at all.

The key is to tell truths that don't lead to the truth.


I've been saving up that line for use in my sig on the next George Washington Day. You know, that story about the cherry tree. And now you've ruined the delicious sneakiness of it all. :p

Oh, and, obviously, I haven't been trying hard enough to sound like a wild card member of the game. I haven't been negged yet. No Christmas for me. :(

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

I just tried to neg you, Beth, just for amusement's sake, but apparently I have to spread my rep around!

[Bêthberry]

I just tried to neg you, Beth, just for amusement's sake, but apparently I have to spread my rep around!

Thanks, Lovely One, I almost feel like part of the gang now.

About your Moderator's post on the game thread, #476:


[QUOTE=Feanor of the Peredhil]Ah, well, in that case...

It has zilch to do with me killing unlikely people at night because both wolvees are dead.


Interesting clause that, both wolvees are dead. Is your Evil Moddess here saying that both wolves are now dead or is this just a modifyer for killing unlikely people at night? :p

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Interesting clause that, both wolvees are dead. Is your Evil Moddess here saying that both wolves are now dead or is this just a modifyer for killing unlikely people at night? :p
Shh, don't point out my secret sneaky clause! ;)

[the phantom]

And notice she said "wolvees", not "wolves".

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

And notice she said "wolvees", not "wolves".
phantom, shh!!! you're giving me away entirely!

[Diamond18]

Sorry I didn't show up today, I completely forgot that it was Day.

[the phantom]

Yes, it was Day, Di.

These games generally have a Day period every, oh, 24 hours or so. Except on those occasions where the day is skipped and we have 48 hours of Night.

Which happens approximately never.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

I wouldn't get too cocky, love: according to forum rules, I have 48 hours to fill that save. It's technically Night time right now.

[the phantom]

I wouldn't get too cocky, love
Who's getting cocky?

I'm just making fun of Di for not knowing it was day.
I have 48 hours to fill that save
So, you're telling me that you're slacking on your narrations?

Come on, dearie- punctuality is a good thing.
It's technically Night time right now.
Of course it is. You posted "End of day" on the game thread after all.

[Diamond18]

Yes, it was Day, Di.

These games generally have a Day period every, oh, 24 hours or so. Except on those occasions where the day is skipped and we have 48 hours of Night.

Which happens approximately never.

Meh. I take back my apology. I am without remorse.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

So, you're telling me that you're slacking on your narrations?
Either that or it serves my interests more to leave the SAVE up as long as I can without revealing Di's role.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Save filled. Just like an RPG. :rolleyes:

[Estelyn Telcontar]

Fea edited her post. Doesn't that mean immediate death?

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Yep. Game over.

[mormegil]

Yep. Game over.

Really?

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

No.

[the phantom]

Has Day 6 been cancelled or something?

[Mithalwen]

Fea is certainly overdoing the pause for dramatic effect...

Hope she is ok ....

[The Saucepan Man]

Fea?

I do hope that the silence is for suspense-heightening purposes and not for any other reason ...

[Mithalwen]

Yes, it was Day, Di.

These games generally have a Day period every, oh, 24 hours or so. Except on those occasions where the day is skipped and we have 48 hours of Night.

Which happens approximately never.


Want to make a small wager on that Phantom .....

some are born to sweet delight, some are born to endless night....

[Nogrod]

Suspense...

[Mithalwen]

Perhaps this is how the werewolf will kill their victim .....

[Nogrod]

Yes. To see how many of the villagers will turn out after eight days to note that the Day has started... Quite cunning. Or then the wolf is just frying her/his victim in a slow fire and it takes time... :rolleyes:

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Sorry to disappear without warning. Everything is okay, and I have internet access. Early yesterday afternoon I was spontaneously roped into helping my best friend and her fiancè move into their new house (which doesn't have the internet yet) and I didn't get back until after midnight, when my brother flatly refused to give me fifteen minutes on his computer. I tried calling a friend of mine to log onto the 'Downs and post for me a brief explanation of why I wasn't around, but SHE didn't have access either, and I don't trust other people with passwords because I'm just like that. I got up this morning, still couldn't get on a computer, and then had to go to work from 10-5. I only just got back.

Stupid life interfering with my game modding. :mad: And now I have to go do the "Of course I love Thanksgiving, Mom" thing and eat with my family...

I'll start the day at 10:00 like I would have yesterday, and we'll continue like that.

Sorry again, especially to make you guys worry...

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Change of plans. I've just learned that I cannot guarantee my internet access at all over the next few days. Here's what I'll do: I'm going to start Day now because I don't know if I can get to a computer later tonight. I will end the Day as soon as possible after voting is conclusive or 24 hours have passed. At that point, I will post whichever narration is required. Sorry I can't be more specific, and sorry for what I'm about to do.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Alas, I must inform you... I doubt I'm going to be able to post tonight. I have to go to work in a few minutes, and my computer access when I get back is actually quite laughable. So you may be held in suspense until an uncertain time tomorrow.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Business: Kath's save has been filled. You're not really a shrew, darling, but I couldn't help myself!

Pleasure:

YOU GUYS ARE AMAZING!!!

Thank you so much for playing, everybody!

Anguirel: You amused me so much. I loved the scholar routine. You know, if you'd actually been able to convince them to kill me, I'd have ended the game and worshipped you permanently?

Boromir88: I wish so much you'd lived longer, especially after badgering you so endlessly to play. Great while it lasted, though...

Diamond18: If I have anything to say about your RL death, it will be that poetic. :cool: ;)

Eomer of the Rohirrim: You made such a lovely wolf, love... I'm so glad my room-mate chose you. :smokin:

Estelyn Telcontar: I don't know if you fully appreciate just how happy I was when you finally agreed to play!

Kath: Again... I swear you aren't a shrew.

littlemanpoet: I almost made you a wolf. Seriously, I was about *this* close to it.

Mithalwen: I believe we're even. Now I can't PM you connivingly with "But I need you..." when what I really mean is "But I want you!"

mormegil: I'm quite certain, love, you're a new breed of Fenris. First wolf to be killed by his brother at Night.

Nogrod: Lovely logic, there. You had such amazing evidencial posts.

Roa_Aoife: As always, your organizational skills amaze me. Sweet work with analyzing daily posts.

the phantom: You know I love you.

The Saucepan Man: Congratulations on winning!!!!

[Meneltarmacil]

I'd been observing this game for quite a while, and, well, this certainly was an interesting and most unusual game.

Anyhow, I'm the one who sent out the random positive reps near the end. As I said, though I do not know who is responsible for the neg-reps.

[The Saucepan Man]

The Saucepan Man: Congratulations on winning!!!!Er ... thanks ... but ...???

So, it was last villager standing? But how come Mith died before me?

Yes, I am seriously befuddled. If I did win, it was through no particular effort on my part. I was, as I said all along, merely trying to find a Wolf and save the village.

I had wondered whether this ...

Sorry I can't be more specific, and sorry for what I'm about to do.... meant this ...

mormegil: I'm quite certain, love, you're a new breed of Fenris. First wolf to be killed by his brother at Night.... and that Mith was right all along. But, as she was the one to spot it, surely she is the one who deserves to win ...?

In any event, it would appear that both Wolves were dead by the end of Day 2. So I claim a village win. :D

[The Saucepan Man]

Oh, and how were the Nightly kills chosen after Night 2? Were they random or did you select them, Fea?

[Bêthberry]

I think it was fun following along, folks. I suppose I need to know what a Fenris wolf is--or what game that came out of.

Maybe Mithalwen should have voted to lynch Fea and not me? Phantom did raise that possibility . . .

Anyhow, ... once my RL work is out of the way, like a good girl who obeys the WW rules--save your reps till it's over-- I will rep you all--positively :p --for your funniest posts.

[Estelyn Telcontar]

Fie upon thee, Fea, for fiendishly instilling fear into our fëar!

What a confusing game, and what a lot of superfluous deaths - including mine!

It was an interesting experiment, though I would have liked to:

a. live longer

b. had more interaction among the players

The fact that several players were so conspicuously absent most of the time made it less fun to post - there was too little interaction for true playing enjoyment, as far as I'm concerned. That was very different to my previous game, where the amount of posting I did wouldn't have been at all unusual. Had I known that WW games could be played with so little effort, I would have done so more often! ;)

Still, thanks, Fea and all other players, for a unique WW experience!

[Mithalwen]

Oh knowing I was right is reward enough .....and how could I bear to live without the Phantom? ;)......

[Bêthberry]

Oh, and I called it, too, didn't I?

Fea on both wolvees' being dead (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=499030&postcount=128)

[The Saucepan Man]

Oh, and I called it, too, didn't I?I declare Bêthberry the winner! :D

Maybe Mithalwen should have voted to lynch Fea and not me? Phantom did raise that possibility . . .I did consider suggesting that we all vote for Fea on the final Day. But, by then, the phantom had already expended his (perfectly legitimate) vote.

Btw, phantom, your little ploy wouldn't have worked anyway. I have no intention of casting my final vote until I could be more or less certain that Mithalwen would not be returning.

The fact that several players were so conspicuously absent most of the time made it less fun to post - there was too little interaction for true playing enjoyment, as far as I'm concerned.I have seen worse - a lot worse. But it does seem to be true that, the more attention you attract, the more likely you are to be lynched. I have fallen victim to that little "rule" before.

Still, we can always rely on Noggie to keep his eye on the quiet ones. :D

Good game, everybody. Most enjoyable. And thanks to Fea for great modding - even though I am still not entirely sure what happened exactly...

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

So to answer a few questions...

The only detail I chose personally was mormegil as a wolf. One of my suitemates requested Eomer as the second.

Like I said, coins were flipped between any ties.

You lot killed Eomer, and the nightly fun turned rather interesting (and I must admit, days got increasingly more amusing).

Littlemanpoet died by way of art history notes. Same suitemate (she was inextricably involved in this game) wrote names on the back of the index cards she was using to study. I chose a particularly cool series of statues from Greece, and voila.

Roa and Nogrod (I believe) died when I randomized villager names, numbered, them, and attacked Formendacil with "Hey Michael, pick me a number between one and X."

For plot ideas in the narration, we flipped butter at dinner. I hear you asking "doubleyoutief" at this point... I didn't have my wallet on me. I had just about no inspiration. My room mate (and my other suitemate, of course) found little butter packets that were easily flippable.

Initial options: time period (modern/vaguely gothic); location (village/castle/university campus/casino); wolves (yes/no)... you know, that sort of thing.

It was pure chance that landed us with the rules in general, Shakespeare, and deaths. I chose pretty much nothing personally, except, of course, what to write. :cool:

Saucie, you won through both prowess and chance: basically, you survived the village slaughter, and at night, you managed some beautiful luck. Your name only came up as an option the very last night when I tossed a coin between you and Mith. She got best two of three for death.

Bethberry: thanks for playing! :D

Anything I'm forgetting? Probably. It's still morning and my coffee isn't finished...

[The Saucepan Man]

Well, that explains a lot. Although the ramifications are, um, interesting, to say the least.

Oh, and as for my "competitive Wolf" theory, here is my pre-game exchange with Fea:

I presume, since I have not heard from you, that I am a mere Ord.

Ah well, it appears to be my Werewolfing lot in life to be mostly ordinary ... :D

One question about the rules.

I understand that the Wolves do not know each other's identity and may not communicate, but are they still working as a team? Or are they "lone Wolves", with only one of them being able to win?

I presume, since I have not heard from you, that I am a mere Ord.Yes.

are they still working as a team?Nope. Mean, innit?

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

With the wolves, they were never directly competing, but they weren't working together, either. Certainly not as a team.

Funniest thing when I got Eomer's first PM. It was something like Is it possible for a wolf to kill the other wolf at night? I want mormegil to die.

Maybe he kept the exact phrasing, but I laughed hard. And told morm about it.

[Mithalwen]

And had youdecided what you would have done if I had incited the village to lynch Bethberry?

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

I would have lynched Bethberry. Just as I would have lynched myself if Ang had succeeded later on.

[Mithalwen]

Funniest thing when I got Eomer's first PM. It was something like Is it possible for a wolf to kill the other wolf at night? I want mormegil to die.

Maybe he kept the exact phrasing, but I laughed hard. And told morm about it.

So he knew Morm was the other wolf... or was it a good guess?

Oh and Eomer amd Morm did fit my offender profiling in all but gender..which was a less even division anyway....

[Mithalwen]

Ahh I really was peeved when they lynched Ang - he was more inclined to embrace the craziness than these analytical types ..and if Bethberry ever plays properly I want to be there.

[Anguirel]

Lovely. So my suggestion about Fea was actually the most sane and sensible in town...I had an inkling as much at the time. But when I returned in the morning to find myself hanged, I saw red and started baying at my screen for Sauce's blood...

My mid-game quietness was incidentally partially James Bond and partially a ploy...not wanting to get killed at night. Much difference it would have made!

Thanks a lot Vesper, this ranks among my favourite outings. Fancy a brisk trip to Venice?

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Thanks a lot Vesper, this ranks among my favourite outings. Fancy a brisk trip to Venice?
Of course, dear, but let's avoid the elevators, shall we?

[littlemanpoet]

I must contest "who won".

SPM didn't win, even though he was the last confused ordinary standing.

The village didn't win, even though one of them was the last confused ordinary standing.

The werewolves didn't win, neither of them, for obvious reasons.

Bethberry didn't win since she wasn't ever quite playing.

Feanor didn't win since the Dark Lady offed herself.
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Winner: excellent writing. Fascinating. Well done, Fea. :)

[mormegil]

I was so excited to be a wolf in this game and thought I would do rather well as there are so many loud people I could really blend in and live for a long time. I was rather depressed to die so early and must admit I lost some interest in the game due to my early death and then to see Eomer die who was my killer, you will never be forgiven, I though Fea rather cruel but had a good laugh. With life picking up and not being alive anymore I didn't follow very closely but it seemed interesting and fun.

Probably the craziest game ever though. Fea thanks for picking me as a wolf...should I thank you or were you hoping me to have a colossal failure?

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Probably the craziest game ever though. Fea thanks for picking me as a wolf...should I thank you or were you hoping me to have a colossal failure?
I actually hoped you'd win. I very nearly toyed with the outcome of the coin flip (sorry Diamond!) because I was a bit sad to see my wolves go so early.

[littlemanpoet]

Well, as some of my fellow dead (WW-wise that is) can attest, I was convinced that the phantom was the final werewolf based on this basic truism: if he gets killed or lynched by the end of Day 3, he's innocent because no werewolf would want to let him live, so dangerous is he. If he lasts and lasts, he's a werewolf, for obvious reasons. Since both of the werewolves were killed by the end of Day 2, the choices were clearly random, and so the phantom survived as long as he did. So the "truism" still holds. I'll be watching you, phantom.... ;)

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

I was sad about dying so early as well, Morm. Anguirel seemed to think he'd baited me with Kath-suspicion but I hadn't even seen his post before I made my vote for Kath. I wish I could have hung around for another few moments to put that right. Other voting, such as Diamond's, was based purely out of spite and should not be congratulated just because I happened to be a werewolf. :p

Again...

Anyway, fun game; although you all had my deepest sympathy, trying so hard for so little reward. You were sort of like Fea's guinea pigs; and she loved that fact. You know this to be true. Never forget her, the time for revenge will come. ;)

Morm, I know you will never forgive me, but I can live with the glory of lycanthropicide. :D

[Anguirel]

Actually, Eomer old salt, it was a double-helix-bluff. I was claiming I suspected you on the basis of your Kath vote to get people to vote for you. My real reasons, I faithfully assure you, were entirely irrational...

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Then why did you want me dead in this game, after our long history of gallant comradery? That hurts, it does, it does. It would have made much more sense to go after the Phantom. :p

Still, it was fun creating that last post for you. Did you work out the meaning yet? :cool:

[Durelin]

You are all completely insane.

*sniffles*

I love you...

[Nogrod]

Thanks everyone! This was mad and most fun.

And I must say I do appreciated Fea's decisions. Think what an anti-climax it would have been if she had announced after Day2: "Congrats villagers, you have won"!

Also I think that this almost totally illogical game was the only one we were able to manage with this crew. Think about the amount of theorising and the breath of analysis we would have produced if there would have been something to actually look and delve into? So not mere 14 pages but 44... and we all growing grey hair after the effort. :rolleyes:

And once again it was proven: the game is in the players. Wonderful gaming everyone!

[Diamond18]

Other voting, such as Diamond's, was based purely out of spite and should not be congratulated just because I happened to be a werewolf.

I swore after DW that I would lynch you as a wolf one day, and I did, so I'm happy. :p

Anyway, fun game; although you all had my deepest sympathy, trying so hard for so little reward.

And yet, I didn't try, not at all. It amuses me to see how long I survived before lynching when my basic gameplan was to taunt people about my innocence until they killed me and I could say "told you so." :p Sorry, Esty, for being one of the quiet ones. I would have been louder in my random annoyingness but I had that dratted thing called life to attend to.

Anyway, I had great fun when I was able to be around, thanks Fea for my lovely death and a lovely, diabolical game. You have definitely beaten out my Wereducks game for wicked modding. :D

[The Saucepan Man]

Lovely. So my suggestion about Fea was actually the most sane and sensible in town...Unless you happened (albeit largely on the basis of pure chance) to be the last villager standing ... ;)

Think about the amount of theorising and the breath of analysis we would have produced if there would have been something to actually look and delve into? So not mere 14 pages but 44... and we all growing grey hair after the effort.Then of course, those of us who are the analytical type were all busy analysing our little cotton socks off, even though there was nothing there to analyse. Hence, I think, the frustration exhibited by the phantom and I when our "logical" approach to the game was getting us nowhere.

It rather proves a little "rule" that I have always held true about this game, one which I have fallen foul of myself many times - if you come round to the view that someone is a Wolf, you can always find the material to justify that view, whether they be a Wolf or not.

[littlemanpoet]

It rather proves a little "rule" that I have always held true about this game, one which I have fallen foul of myself many times - if you come round to the view that someone is a Wolf, you can always find the material to justify that view, whether they be a Wolf or not.
Most assuredly. :D That's why theories are such a dangerous thing. So why is it, some times we can find things that so clearly point to a werewolf, and other times not? That's probably best left as an unanswerable question. Sigh. I have been stunned by my ability to fish them out in some games, and then equally stunned by my inability in other games. :rolleyes:

[the phantom]

What a delightful little experience that was. That village was so fun that I think there is a good chance that it would have been fun even without my participation.
If I did win, it was through no particular effort on my part.
Wrong. False. Winning was a feat, for it proves that you were successful at appearing innocent to your fellow villagers. More successful than me even judging by Mith's vote the final day.

Though I'm a bit peeved at you for lynching me. I'd only ever been lynched once (WW III), and I didn't want it to happen again.
In any event, it would appear that both Wolves were dead by the end of Day 2. So I claim a village win.
Me too. :)
Btw, phantom, your little ploy wouldn't have worked anyway. I have no intention of casting my final vote until I could be more or less certain that Mithalwen would not be returning.
But, could you at least admit that you were slightly outraged by my declaration that my earlier vote wasn't legitimate? I'd been saving that little gem for quite a while, and was itching for a chance to use it. As it got to be later on the final day, it didn't make any sense to me that Mith was the final WW, and you of course I had believed innocent for quite a while, but your choice to vote for me drew my righteous wrath and so I used my little invalid vote trick on you.

Twas nothing personal. As I said in the game, it was "Simply because you voted for me".
But when I returned in the morning to find myself hanged, I saw red and started baying at my screen for Sauce's blood...
Not my blood, eh? Does that mean I am forgiven, Ang?
I was convinced that the phantom was the final werewolf based on this basic truism: if he gets killed or lynched by the end of Day 3, he's innocent because no werewolf would want to let him live, so dangerous is he. If he lasts and lasts, he's a werewolf, for obvious reasons. Since both of the werewolves were killed by the end of Day 2, the choices were clearly random, and so the phantom survived as long as he did. So the "truism" still holds. I'll be watching you, phantom....
Lovely. :smokin:

Oh, but one game defies the truism. I survived to the end as an innocent in the last WWJ game I played. Of course, it only happened because I falsely claimed to be the Hunter.
if you come round to the view that someone is a Wolf, you can always find the material to justify that view, whether they be a Wolf or not
Aye, laddie.

Actually, I think it speaks volumes about our instincts the way we were so incredibly indecisive on that final day, and voting with such little conviction, and were unable to shake the thought that we were all three innocent.

[Boromir88]

I was unable to keep fully up with what was going on...what a bunch of jabber-mouths :rolleyes: . But, from the few days I did it was just a great reading. Congrats Fea...and next time we should all trust phantom more...especially when he knows I'm innocent. It's actually kind of scary how good he can pin me down (I believe he is 2 for 2)...maybe I need to change something up. :D

Actually Sauce I believed you to be more likely a wolf than Diamond...hence why I changed my vote. I did have my reasons, I just didn't give them because my new favorite TV Show (Heroes) was coming on and I didn't have time. :p

[Mithalwen]

Wrong. False. Winning was a feat, for it proves that you were successful at appearing innocent to your fellow villagers. More successful than me even judging by Mith's vote the final day.

Though I'm a bit peeved at you for lynching me. I'd only ever been lynched once (WW III), and I didn't want it to happen again.



Actually Phantom, I probably would have voted for Sauce if you hadn't presented me with a fait accompli. I knew that I was innocent and I had never particularly suspected either you though I couldn't discount you either. Since I am afraid I never quite believed the "I am not a werewolf" thing - I belong to the Mandy Rice Davies school of cynicism. However your vote made it easier for me since I didn't have a choice. Reasons for voting for Sauce was his rule check (cf Spawn in Di's game, yet it seemed less likely that a wolvish SpM would have kept me alive so long. I could never decide about either of you - you either both seemed guilty (when you lynched Ang who seemed quite innocent to me) or both innocent ..... which of course was the actuality.

I really did think it was likely both wolves were dead but since Fea had said we would keep going til one remained ... as I explained in game, lynching you and hoping that I was wrong seemed the only option... and having got so far I thougth I might aswell give myself a chance of winning.... I really thought SpM would decide to lynch me though.

I suppose that this game shows that people are more inclined to trust those who play in a closer style to them. What a game.. I kept finding odd post it notes and scribbles on my desk - trying to make sense of it all. I think it was the night kills not making sense that made me feel that the wolves were dead ...

[the phantom]

Since I am afraid I never quite believed the "I am not a werewolf" thing
:(

Is there anyone at all who believed in my innocence based on that reasoning?

[Mithalwen]

Boromir did ..and look what happened to the poor blighter ... :rolleyes:

[Roa_Aoife]

You know, after LMP's death, it occured to me that the one who killed him in the narration was the Dark Lady, and not a werewolf. I would have remarked on this, but I was killed. >P

I let me just say that it's horribly irritating to work up both rebuttal and analysis for the following Day, only to find myself dead.

Anyways, I had fun, despite my general uselessness. Maybe I can get more involved in the next game.

[The Saucepan Man]

That village was so fun that I think there is a good chance that it would have been fun even without my participation.Surely not! ;)

Wrong. False. Winning was a feat, for it proves that you were successful at appearing innocent to your fellow villagers. More successful than me even judging by Mith's vote the final day.True, but it was still through little effort on my part. I really do believe that, unless Gifted and while a numerical advantage remains, an innocent should not be too concerned about being lynched - “in the cause”, as it were. Since there were no Gifteds in this game, I saw little reason to fight to survive until near to the end, and so did not bother spending much time defending myself. Perhaps I just naturally come across as the innocent-type. :rolleyes:

You, on the other hand, my dear phantom, naturally come across as the guilty type. Not through anything in particular that you do or say. It’s just that anyone who has seen you play as a Wolf knows precisely what you are capable of and just how dangerous you can be, particularly when you give the impression that butter wouldn’t melt in your mouth. I really wanted to trust you in this game, but spent much of it fighting a natural instinct to suspect you.

Then again, I have been lynched three times to your two.

But, could you at least admit that you were slightly outraged by my declaration that my earlier vote wasn't legitimate?Actually, I did notice at the time that your votes were not correctly stated, but took the view that they would be considered valid. It would have been interesting to have seen what would have happened had anything turned on it. Rest assured that I would have argued long and hard against your attempt to recast your vote, had it been necessary. And I would probably have won. :p

Actually Phantom, I probably would have voted for Sauce if you hadn't presented me with a fait accompli.Yes, I was aware of that. I should really thank the phantom for helping me to achieve the dubious honour of last villager standing. Had it not been for that fait accompli, and assuming that chance would have favoured him as it did me, he would probably have achieved that “honour” himself.

Is there anyone at all who believed in my innocence based on that reasoning?I was inclined to take it at face value until the final Day, when I could no longer ignore the distinct possibility that you might be a Wolf after all.

[Mithalwen]

Though, thinking about it ... as I would have done had it been of any consequence, Phantom's confident assertion of Morm's innocence, Nogrod's identity as kill etc might have tipped the balance..especially since the last time I was in the last 3 situation it was Anguirel's confident assertions that made me choose him...

I might have flipped a coin in the end.. or put myself out of my misery with a self vote ;)

It would have been a day of monumental indecisiveness.. so really Phantom, you did me a favour...

[littlemanpoet]

Perhaps I just naturally come across as the innocent-type. :rolleyes: Certainly not. ;) I never overlook you. I made that mistake once and never will again.

As a matter of fact, it occurs to me that some people seemed to believe that I had bought into that Sauce and the phantom were actually innocent after the phantom's response to my little theory. Whoever did that (I can't remember anymore) was incorrect. There was a big fat "IF ... you are right, phantom..." in there. I was not convinced, but ready to take their innocence into consideration as a possibility; nothing more. Of course, the Dark Lady removed my need to worry about it. :rolleyes:

[the phantom]

Boromir did ..and look what happened to the poor blighter ...
Yes, that's true. I can't tell you how disappointed I was to lose him on Day 1. He was supposed to be my WW-catching ally through the game.
I really do believe that, unless Gifted and while a numerical advantage remains, an innocent should not be too concerned about being lynched - “in the cause”, as it were. Since there were no Gifteds in this game, I saw little reason to fight to survive until near to the end
Not I.

I hadn't WWed in quite a while and I won't be WWing for quite a while. I came off of my WW vacation for this game, because it was Fea and she had mentioned it months ago. So, I wanted to stick around for as long as possible so that I would get my money's worth, and I wanted to provide a lot of volume and excitement to make sure Fea got her money's worth.
You, on the other hand, my dear phantom, naturally come across as the guilty type.
Yes, that is certainly true, but at the same time this is only my second lynching. That seems odd to me- that I am always eyed nervously and yet not lynched as much as some.

Here are the games, what I started as, and my votes (I think these are right, anyway).

WW 1 (ordo)- No votes in 3 days
WW 2 (WW)- 3 votes (all Day 1) in 4 days
WW 3 (ordo)- 12 votes in 3 days (my first lynch, revenge for WW 2 most likely)
WW 4 (Shirriff)- 2 votes (all Day 2) in 2 days, due to my "lynch a volunteer" plan
WW 9 (Seer)- 1 vote (from a WW) in 2 days
WW 10 (WW)- No votes in 5 days
WW 21 (ordo)- No votes in 2 days
WWJ 9 (ordo)- 1 vote (from the Cobbler) in 4 days
WW 26 (ordo)- 4 votes in 6 days (my second lynch)

So, I have 23 votes in 32 days. Not counting WW 3, I have 11 votes in 29 days. Not counting votes from evil-doers, 9 votes in 29 days.

I have had 22 voteless days. My 23 votes were gathered in 10 days. I have had 7 multi-vote days, resulting in 2 lynches.

So, it seems that I have had five days where I've taken a lot of heat and accumulated votes but wriggled out of being lynched. Also, in 5 games out of 9 I received no votes from innocents. Hmm... what sort of patterns exist? Do I attract more or less votes than most others?

Ah, I just noticed that the votes for me on Day 1 ruined a streak I had going- 13 days without a vote from an innocent or gifted.

Btw, I did consider trying to convince SPM and Mith to edit their posts and thus hand the game to me. What would you have thought had I proposed that, Mith and SPM? Would it have made me look more or less guilty?

[Nogrod]

Btw, I did consider trying to convince SPM and Mith to edit their posts and thus hand the game to me. What would you have thought had I proposed that, Mith and SPM? Would it have made me look more or less guilty?Go ahead! That looks as sane as everything that might have been done in this game. :D

But I would stick to Spm's and lmp's thoughts on rational arguments. With all of them you phantom should have been lynched and would I have been given one Day more, I would have tried my best to show your "cunning-evilness"... for no avail, as I now have learned (and which innocence I kind of trusted from the beginning, but was growing a bit wary of it all the time - I would surely had gone through every comma you made on the next Day had I been alive!).

So, as lmp said, it's easy to find well grounded suspicions on some games and on others one is totally at lost with them. I wholly agree with this. But Spm has a point too: you can make anyone look bad if you want to... So in the end it seems to depend on who you decide to look on - or who arises your attention? So again, loudmouths having to bear the grunt of analysing (which leads the analysed to look guilty if the analyser knows her/his job) while the quiet ones get by without notice?

Again voicing this one principle: open talking gets me wishing one to live and hiding in the shadows I only see working for the dark side...

[The Saucepan Man]

Btw, I did consider trying to convince SPM and Mith to edit their posts and thus hand the game to me. What would you have thought had I proposed that, Mith and SPM? Would it have made me look more or less guilty?Er - what do you think? ;)

[the phantom]

Er - what do you think?
I don't think it's as simple as that. Or is it? I don't know.

Asking you to hand the game to me by means of the edit rule- that would've accomplished the same thing as getting one of you to vote for the other had I been a WW, right? So really, if it was at all possible that you would've voted for the other person, you might as well have just handed the game to me, right?

And surely the thought would've crossed your mind "Would a WW tp really want to win like this?"

And if your answer would've been "no", then maybe you would've gone along with it? But if the answer was "heck yeah, he'd love it", then you would've voted for me on the spot.

At least, that was the thought process that I was expecting to create had I gone through with it.

[The Saucepan Man]

As you are fond of pointing out, phantom, the only person that one can be sure is innocent, in the absence of any Gifteds, is oneself. Accordingly, given the situation prevailing on the final Day, I would never have agreed voluntarily to do something which would inevitably have resulted in my death.

I would certainly have considered whether a phantom Wolf would be so bold as to ask his fellow villagers effectively to commit suicide, and would almost certainly have concluded that it was a distinct possibility. :p

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

About the edit thing: I thought it was an absolutely brilliant idea, cracked up laughing, knew nobody would ever go for it, but would have let it work because it was so audacious and you know how I love audacity.

[Mithalwen]

I think, that I am getting more and more glad that I voted to lynch the Phantom....

In the last days I was tempted to ask Fea to give me a Semele type death (she died having been exposed to Jupiter in his full glory )... I would have been overwhelmed by the sheer force of the Phantom's ego... :p

[Bêthberry]

I would certainly have considered whether a phantom Wolf would be so bold as to ask his fellow villagers effectively to commit suicide, and would almost certainly have concluded that it was a distinct possibility. :p

Lawks! Suicide bombers in WW. I bet that hasn't been done before.

Oh, and Mith: perhaps the next WW phantom runs can be called "The Burning Bush".

[littlemanpoet]

About the edit thing: I thought it was an absolutely brilliant idea, cracked up laughing, knew nobody would ever go for it, but would have let it work because it was so audacious and you know how I love audacity.
I liked the edit rule. It added a bit of spice to the game. If and when I mod, I think I'll use it. .... just to get on Diamond's nerves. :D ;)

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

I liked the edit rule. It added a bit of spice to the game. If and when I mod, I think I'll use it. .... just to get on Diamond's nerves. :D ;)I used it mostly for the practical value: I wanted continuous discussion. I am a mad busy human being and could barely keep punctual and up to date as it was (and as you saw, I disappeared from life for an entire day cycle by accident). I knew if I let there be edits, I'd have to go through to look for lists and stuff. It was simply easier to know that the most recent was the most recent when it came to anything.

I also knew it would make everybody put more thought into what they were posting, if they knew they couldn't even spell-check edit it later on. When there are no take-backs, you compose more prettily the first time. :)

And I knew it would annoy everybody.

But mostly it was because I was strapped for time, short on sleep, about to go on break, and wanted to simplify.

[Mithalwen]

Oh I thought you did that to wind up the phantom....cos he said that 48 hour nights happened approximately never....

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Oh I thought you did that to wind up the phantom....cos he said that 48 hour nights happened approximately never....The timing of it was ironic.

[Mithalwen]

It did add ot the puzzlement though since I tried to divine any significance in my fellow players comments on this thread ..... on the wolf may know more of what is up theory ...

[the phantom]

It did add ot the puzzlement though since I tried to divine any significance in my fellow players comments on this thread ..... on the wolf may know more of what is up theory
But then the WW would be concious of this and thus would certainly not do or say anything that would lead one to believe that they knew "what is up". Quite the opposite- anything a WW would say would point, if anywhere, towards ignorance.
I would certainly have considered whether a phantom Wolf would be so bold as to ask his fellow villagers effectively to commit suicide, and would almost certainly have concluded that it was a distinct possibility.
Yes, you're entirely right. If I was a WW I would have LOVED to get the villagers to kill themselves like that. That's why I didn't put forth the edit plan on the final day. I figured your mind would lead you to phantom=WW. But of course I wasn't a WW and yet still wanted to do a plan that a WW would try to do. That only goes to highlight what lmp said during the game-
I guess I'm just not used to innocents, IF he's innocent, being more devious than (or as least as devious as) the werewolves.

[the phantom]

Oh! I completely forgot! There's something else that I considered doing the final day. As a matter of fact, I wrote up an opening day post and saved it to pull out when the day started. But because of timing I ended up not using it.

I almost posted this-

**********

Mwu ha ha ha! I have survived to the final day with a WW still alive! My victory is at hand!

When speaking before the game, the Dark Lady and I discussed the possibility of giving me a role. We agreed that it would be too risky to make me a WW. Neither of us expected me to last long.

So, we decided that I could be a secret Cobbler, just for fun. Little did we know that I would be around at the end to play a major part in winning the game for the WWs.

Yes, that's right- I'm the COBBLER!! And through honeyed words, force of will, and brilliant positioning, I have managed to survive the slaughter.

I don't know which of you is the WW, but you've done a brilliant job seeing as I can't tell. Vote for me and the journey is over!

++tp
--tp
++tp

Mwu ha ha ha!! Werewolves win!!

Fea- thanks for inviting me to participate in this village. I'm very glad now that I did. :smokin:

**********

Originally I drew up that plan to catch a MithWolf or SPWolf. I was going to cross my fingers and hope that the WW would jump on my self vote to "win the game", and then I'd step in and declare my vote invalid and vote for the WW. I thought it was a great plan. Unfortunately because the day started at a different time I wasn't sure if I'd be able to get to a computer to pull off the plan, so I cancelled it.

But since we now know that there was no WW, I'm curious... SPM and Mith- think back for me. What would you have done if I had posted that and seemingly cast a final vote on myself?

Logically with a self-vote I would negate the chance of anyone else getting lynched over me as it would require another self-vote. The best thing that could happen would be a three-way tie in which I would be included in a two-way coin flip.

Quite obviously a WW would never do that. You would be convinced, I think, that I was not a WW at that point, am I right?

My move would also be stupid as an innocent as it would guarantee WW victory, so you would believe that I wasn't an innocent either, correct?

So, I can only assume that you would believe my Cobbler claim, and believe that the game then belonged to the other person. Would you then have, in an effort to at least vote the right way yourself, voted for the other person, resulting in a three-way tie, and just assumed that the other person was messing with you and would change their vote to ++tp at the last moment?

If so, that would've left me wide open to pop in and use my invalid vote plan and kill one of you.

That would've been fun. :D

[Mithalwen]

But then the WW would be concious of this and thus would certainly not do or say anything that would lead one to believe that they knew "what is up". Quite the opposite- anything a WW would say would point, if anywhere, towards ignorance.

-


Ah but that whas what I was looking for ;)

[Mithalwen]

And in reply to your question ..... I have enough trouble dealing with actual decisions without pondering hypotheticals :rolleyes:

So I would have voted Bethberry again....

[The Saucepan Man]

Glad to see that the game gave those little grey cells of yours so much exercise, phantom. ;)

Had you implemented your plan, you would have succeeded in one of two things:

1. If your "invalid vote plan" had been deemed invalid, you and either Mith or I (probably Mith, as I think that I was the next to post after you voted) would have been up for the coin toss of doom. The outcome, therefore, would probably have been little different.

2. If your "invalid vote plan" had been deemed acceptable, then you would merely have given yourself the unenviable task of deciding which of the two of us to lynch. You would have been welcome to it, as it was not a task which I found particularly gratifying.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Had you implemented your plan, you would have succeeded in one of two things:Not entirely right.

If I had allowed his invalid vote plan to work, I'd have gone through and retallied votes from day one onward and the game would still be in play.

[The Saucepan Man]

If I had allowed his invalid vote plan to work, I'd have gone through and retallied votes from day one onward and the game would still be in play. :D

And there was me thinking that phantom and I were the anoraks here ...

[The Saucepan Man]

At the risk of further accusations of borderline autism from Mith, I have worked out that the strict retrospective application of voting rules (player identified in capital letters with name fully stated) would have resulted in the phantom being lynched on Day 1.

Ah, poetic justice. :D

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

You know, there's still time.

Anybody want to keep playing?

[Mithalwen]

Oh dear it would be like the 2000 US elections all over again.... an unbearable wait while the lawyers decide :rolleyes: the use of unemboldened lowercase the equivalent of Hanging Chad..... or wahtever.....

However I find Phantom's search for loopholes whether "legal" or not, unsporting.... so I would not want him to win .....

[the phantom]

At the risk of further accusations of borderline autism from Mith, I have worked out that the strict retrospective application of voting rules (player identified in capital letters with name fully stated) would have resulted in the phantom being lynched on Day 1.
You must be counting different than I am. According to my count only Roa's vote for Di, your vote for lmp, and my vote for Di were proper. That would've seen Di lynched.

But besides, you can't go back after the fact. If that happened you would have to go back to Day 2 and play all over again, for Di's votes would no longer count the rest of the days, however the votes of those who had been "wrongfully lynched" (eg Boro on Day 1) would suddenly be allowed again, but since he was gone from Day 2 on he would have to go back and cast votes after the fact, and so on down the line. It would be a chain reaction that the only way to solve would be to rewind to day 2 and play over again- but of course if we did that knowing what we now know everyone would just vote for Fea and the game would end, thus it wouldn't solve anything.

I had this logic in mind before suggesting my strict interpretation.
However I find Phantom's search for loopholes whether "legal" or not, unsporting.... so I would not want him to win
What? Nothing is out of bounds when it comes to stopping WWs. Anything goes. Tis the Wolves who need to be sporting and somewhat honorable, for they are the ones attacking innocents without just cause.

[Mithalwen]

And I bet you'd shoot a fox too....... :rolleyes:

[the phantom]

Huh?

[The Saucepan Man]

You must be counting different than I am. According to my count only Roa's vote for Di, your vote for lmp, and my vote for Di were proper. That would've seen Di lynched.Wrong!

Your argument posits that, in order to have been valid, votes should have been cast precisely in the manner identified in Fea's example, ie player's name in full in capital letters.

The only votes cast on Day 1 in capital letters and identifying the player's name in full were two for you and one for littlemanpoet.

[the phantom]

You can't put a player's name in all capital letters. If you capitalize letters that aren't capitalized, or don't capitalize letters are supposed to be, you have not written someone's proper name.

You are "The Saucepan Man". Neither "the saucepan man", "tHe saucePan maN", nor "THE SAUCEPAN MAN" is your name. "Philip" is my name. Neither "philip", "pHiLiP", nor "PHILIP" is my name. And "Bethberry" is not the proper name of "Bêthberry" because the "e" is wrong.

The only votes that count have the accurate and full name of the player as given on Fea's list of players.

Yes, yes, there is wiggle room for interpretation, but surely you understand my position.
votes should have been cast precisely in the manner identified in Fea's example
Ah, but if you get "precise" to the point that things begin to be wrong (i.e. not using player's proper names), then you have exceeded the bounds of precision intended by the rules.

I mean, if the point was absolute adherence, all of our votes would be for ++PLAYER NAME, for that is exactly how Fea posted it. But of course that would make for a pointless and ridiculous game, lynching "Player Name" every day. A common sense line must be drawn somewhere, and that line for me would be drawn before crossing into the realm of getting names wrong through incorrect capitalization.

[the phantom]

Btw, I'm mainly arguing because you're a "loyer". ;)

[The Saucepan Man]

You can't put a player's name in all capital letters. If you capitalize letters that aren't capitalized, or don't capitalize letters are supposed to be, you have not written someone's proper name.Wrong!

The usual rule when capitalising a proper name applies, viz that all letters are to be typed in capitals, with accents included as appropriate.

A common sense line must be drawn somewhere, and that line for me would be drawn before crossing into the realm of getting names wrong through incorrect capitalization.I agree that a common sense line should be drawn. You have already crossed that line with your argument that names should be fully stated. Having done so, you must either abandon your argument or accept its full consequences.

In other words, you cannot have your villager and eat him. :p

Btw, I'm mainly arguing because you're a "loyer".Well, if you are engaging with me in my professional capacity, you have no hope of even extracting a concession, let alone succeeding. :p

[Bêthberry]

Well, if you are engaging with me in my professional capacity, you have no hope of even extracting a concession, let alone succeeding. :p

Probably also none of us have any hope of paying the fees for your billable hours. ;)

[The Saucepan Man]

Probably also none of us have any hope of paying the fees for your billable hours.You'd better believe it ... ;)

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

So does this mean the game is still on?

Because you'd better believe I won't let the publicized identity of the wolves deter me...

:cool:

[The Saucepan Man]

So does this mean the game is still on?Most assuredly so, if I get to be paid my hourly rate for it ... :D

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Poor college kid with a brand spanking new, probably high, bill to add to my pile of "bills I'd rather buy a Mac than pay."

Yeah, no.

[Mithalwen]

Having just had my assignment end suddenly, I'll be a legal aid case :( ...but I will have much more time ... :cool:

[Mithalwen]

Maybe the non-wolf selected night kills will satarta group action for wrongful mauling.....

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Baby, in my world the regular rules don't apply. :cool: