Tol-in-Gaurhoth XXVII - Ballroom Blitz

[Durelin]

The Barrows were topped with white and the breath of those who were still breathing, before the Wights got to them, shown as wisps of spirit in the air. Winter had come, and the new year was creeping up on them (it was already well into what they call now in the 7th Age "December," and they celebrate their new year on the first day of the very next "month."). The Wights enjoyed those pale months, as the night came seemingly much more quickly, and lasted longer. For in such darkness they felt most at home. So needless to say, they had much to celebrate.

One night, one Wight sat up almost into the morning - something which any Wight might regret seeing - to produce what she hoped might bring some always-desirable food, drink, and mirth. The next night, the invitations went out to nearly every carcass on the 'Downs. They read:


All residents of the Barrow are cordially invited to the Black and Wight Ball.

Black and Wight attire is recommended. Masks are required.

RSVP as soon as possible.

Sincerely,
Your Woman-of-the-Secret-Shadow of a hostess,
Thuringwethil (Durelin)

The invitations were acknowledged with pleasure (or displeasure, and possibly went unacknowledged) and responses were (or weren't) sent out. Fifteen souls promised their attendance, and a sprinkling of others made a good show of regretting their inability to attend. (Even the dead, especially those doomed to roam their Barrows, retain their fair share of propriety. And let it be known that every Wight at one time had superb manners from excellent breeding, but after a few plus centuries of rotting some things just fall off the bone along with the skin.)

When propriety is set aside (put away...*snicker*...put under...*chuckle*...done in...*giggle*...rubbed out...*snigger*...buried away...*roars*...), the result is often a rousing good time. For regardless of what one might assume, the dreary dead are not always so dreary, even if their "dark," "black," and "dark black" colour coordination grows stale rather quickly. And so the attendees expected they would have a night to remember. What they did not expect was a time they could never forget.

[Durelin]

Tol-in-Gaurhoth XXVII: Ballroom Blitz


About the Game:

Days = Dances
24 hours RL time = 1 Day = 1 Dance
Nights = Rests
24 hours RL time = 1 Night = 1 Rest

The band will play on, regardless of whether or not the villagers wish to dance or to lynch. When the music is not being played, well, someone will not be able to find a seat, and the wolves will find him or her easy pickings. In this case, being without a partner is more than simply socially unacceptable.

In place of the usual pretend ‘roles,’ you may choose who/what you are going to the ball as.

(All of this dancing nonsense is just for fun. You may call Days and Nights simply Days and Nights, and you may think of the village in normal terms. Playing along with the ball setting is optional.)


Among your partners you will find:
11 Ordinary Villagers
2 Werewolves
2 Cobblers, each with the knowledge of one Werewolf


About the Cobbler:

A Cobbler is a villager who is such a sorry soul that he/she wishes to bring about not only their own death, but also the deaths of...well, everyone else! They are an innocent, ordinary villager, but one who wishes the Werewolves to win. Normally, the Cobbler does not know the identity of any of the wolves, but still must try and help them win somehow.

In this game, there will be two Cobbers, and each Cobbler knows the identity of one of the two Werewolves (each Cobblers knows a different werewolf). Neither Cobbler knows who the other is, and the Werewolves are completely in the dark as to who the Cobblers are.


Rules:

1. Double-lynchings are allowed.
2. Retractable votes are allowed.
3. The Werewolves work together, and converse each Night, including Night 1. They choose one kill each Night, excepting Night 1.
4. Both Cobblers want the Werewolves to win. One Cobbler knows who one Werewolf is, the other Cobbler knows who the other Werewolf is. The Cobblers do not know who each other are.
5. The Werewolves do not know who the Cobblers are at all.
6. Let's try no editing!
7. Keep the severity level down.


~*~*Guest List*~*~

Durelin as Thuringwethil (Mod and Hostess)
CaptainofDespair as The Witch-King (Co-mod and Host)
mormegil as a (Kewl-Shades) Rude Boy
Kath as a (Beautiful) Butterfly
Farael as a Fair-looking Orc
Rikae as an Entwife
Nogrod as a Nice Choirboy
Lalwende as a (Mischievous Little) Christmas Elf
Kitanna as a Rejected Band Member wearing a bag with eyeholes
Naria as a Spoiled Heiress wearing a Venetian half mask
Macalaure as a Mime
Celuien as a Cowgirl
Valier as a Flighty Young Woman wearing an exotic colourful bird mask
Eomer as Vorgram, Ancient Prince of Wargs
Cailín as a Robin
Holbytlass as a Court Jester
Folwren as an Elegant, Cold, Stoic, Mysterious Countess


The game will begin with a Night in which the Werewolves may communicate, but do not pick a kill. Night 1 will begin shortly at 2:00 pm EST, today, Monday the 18th. Day 1 will begin 24 hours from then at 2:00 pm EST on Tuesday the 19th. Days and Nights will continue to rotate in 24 hour cycles. The Werewolves may not communicate during the Day. No one other than the Werewolves may communicate (about the game) period.

Remember to turn yourselves invisible and stay invisible!

[Durelin]

Night 1 has now begun. Werewolves, you may begin PMing and plotting thus verily and verily thus.

[Durelin]

The ball was proceeding nicely, with fifteen Wights in attendance along with their Hostess and Host, Thuringwethil and the Witch-King, who formed an awkward pair, her wings and his hollow nature making dancing difficult and conversation nearly impossible. They’re a lot different than they sounded online, each thought of the other. The two had found each other on mordortrimony.com, and matching on a whole seventeen dimensions (including fashion tastes, interest in dead things, and the ‘Sauron loyalty meter’), they of course believed each other to be their perfect life companion. Apparently, though, neither made the best date.

Both running out of excuses for not dancing with their companion, Thuringwethil and the Witch-King called for a pause in the music. Everyone seemed to be glad of this, tired of being on their feet, and a number of them took seats at the tables scattered about the room, nibbling and sipping as they chatted.

Whirrrrrrrrr....

mormegil was “doing the lean” in the corner while doing his best to look disinterested even as Kath walked by in her striking costume. (Her wings far out-did Thuringwethil’s, particularly in glitter.)

Farael was reminding everyone at his table how they could keep a slim figure like his, causing Valier to eye her hor’dourves suddenly distastefully.

Celuien was showing Macalaure some moves he could do with his invisible rope.

Holbytlass was attempting to cheer up a rejected and dejected Kitanna with her juggling and jingling.

Whirrrrrrrrr....

Lalwendë was giving Nogrod a candy cane for being sweet.

Naria and Folwren were turning up their noses at the proceedings, and at each other’s company.

Eomer was trying very hard not to look too fearsome as Cailín considered taking a seat near him.

Rikae was still making her way through the door.

Click.

A few began to wonder if the whirring noise they heard was all in their heads when suddenly all eyes were drawn toward the ceiling. Two lights appeared, swaying above their heads. The chandelier, holding thirteen candles, had been left unlit, but now bright orange flames glowed on two wicks. Eyes darted around, until Valier let out a screech. Gasps and screams filled the room. They had found the source of what they believed to be their imagination.

It was a large contraption, with a long, thick tube and humongous bag of some sort of rough material attached to metallic machinery. But though the metal was shiny, everyone’s eyes were glued to the bag. It was covered in lumps, as from things trying to poke out of it, and very little of the bag’s original colour could be seen: the rest was a deep, sickly red.

Those who had the stomach to look more closely noticed that a couple things had poked through the thick material: a sharp, curved claw, and a heavy, dark metal spike. A bat wing and a dark crown that belonged to none other than their hostess and host, Durelin and CaptainofDespair.

All but two of the guests looked up to the twin flames and then bowed their heads in respect.

On even closer inspection, a note was found pasted on the mechanism:


BUSTED!

-The Barrow-Wolves

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The Dead Dead

Durelin (Mod and Hostess) – Ghostbusted on Rest (Night) the First
CaptainofDespair (Co-mod and Host) – Ghostbusted on Rest (Night) the First


The Living Dead

mormegil as a (Kewl-Shades) Rude Boy
Kath as a (Beautiful) Butterfly
Farael as a Fair-looking Orc
Rikae as an Entwife
Nogrod as a Nice Choirboy
Lalwendë as a (Mischievous Little) Christmas Elf
Kitanna as a Rejected Band Member wearing a bag with eyeholes
Naria as a Spoiled Heiress wearing a Venetian half mask
Macalaure as a Mime
Celuien as a Cowgirl
Valier as a Flighty Young Woman wearing an exotic colourful bird mask
Eomer of the Rohirrim as Vorgram, Ancient Prince of Wargs
Cailín as a Robin
Holbytlass as a Court Jester
Folwren as an Elegant, Cold, Stoic, Mysterious Countess



“[E]ven the dead will not be safe from the enemy if he wins. And the enemy has not ceased to be victorious.”


DANCE 1 (DAY 1) HAS NOW BEGUN. Guests, talk. Werewolves, shush.


*Note that the Ghostbusters-style death is thanks to the Captain's genius.*

[Kath]

Well! What a party this has turned out to be! I know we were promised excitement but really, death? Not exactly a fun surprise, especially not for our esteemed hosts. Let's hope we catch these dastardly villains before they cause any more bloodshed. We know they walk among us, and there is quite an array of characters to choose from!

That Kitanna, for example, rejection can be a powerful motivator. Or maybe Farael. He might be fair-looking but an orc is still an orc. Then again it could be mormegil. Trying to appear "kewl" is no excuse for being rude. Why, he barely said three words to me earlier, though I wouldn't be surprised if he turned out to be particularly verbose later on.

Now back to the dance! We'll not find anything out if we just stand here staring, but watching the choice of partners may be very interesting.

[Nogrod]

Maybe we should just stick our bottoms to these chairs even though the band has started playing again? Let's see if anyone comes to rip one chair off from under someone openly as the orchestra ends playing? :D

I'm afraid this will be a game where we need some stamina. I mean that with no seer or ranger we can't count on them to save us this time. So we will be forced to rely in the beginning more to lucky choises or outright blunders by the cobblers and/or the wolves. Without them this will take it's time and many of us will meet our makers before we get any trails.

So let's talk friends, even if of nothing else than how to play on this first actual dance.

Thank's for the candy Lal, would you care for a dance?

[Lalwendë]

Tempted as I am by your suggestion just to instigate group cheating and sit on the chair all night (as I am a naughty/nice Elf), Nogrod, I shall indeed dance.

Now I'm used to watching out for people and if they have been naughty or nice all year, it's part of my job working for Father Christmas and I have my suspicions. Being naughty is not so easy to hide. I have my eyes open...

[Farael]

Or maybe Farael. He might be fair-looking but an orc is still an orc.
Oh, please... spare me the drama, 'tis always us Uruks who have to solve the troubles when other people mess up... alright, so there are a few werewolves around, let us Uruks find them and kill them, as we always have to do.

*Grumbles something about lazy-bum high-class spoiled little Gödzhil (orkish for some nasty bad word, that's for sure)*

So, we have werewolves here... howcome I'm suspected and not Eomer (let me spell it out for you here) the Prince of Wargs ?

I say warg=wolf, prince=special, special wolf= werewolf!!!!!

It's rather simple if you ask me. Will you all let me play a little before we kill him? I've heard that werewolves give good game, surely you would let me enjoy it, right?

After all, torturing a werewolf is said to be one of the best three workouts possible, right after running away from an angry Sauron and destroying the One Ring by walking pretty much all the way from The Shire to Mt. Doom.

[Farael]

DANCE 1 (DAY 1) HAS NOW BEGUN. Guests, talk. Werewolves, shush.

Why, silly me... our dearly departed hostess has made it rather easy for us!! "Werewolves, shush"... we only need to see who is being silent and lynch him/her!!!

Thank you Durelin, I shall torture your killers twice as painfully as a gift to you. IF being tortured by someone so much more beautiful than them, like me is not torture enough.

[Holbytlass]

Dancing and eating and talking
the ball was fash'nably hopping
when whirs and clicks made them stop
and a ghastly sight made eyes pop
most bowed their heads for the dead
but two couldn't wait to be fed
some will start acussing
others will start their musing
one said aloud to be more heard
"Will the Fenris wolf step forward?"

[Nogrod]

one said aloud to be more heard
"Will the Fenris wolf step forward?"That would be most convenient indeed!

And thanks Farael for pointing out this: Guests, talk. Werewolves, shush.This time I seem to have our host's backing to my "lynch the quiet" -campaign to be unleashed before the end of this Dance... :rolleyes:

[Durelin]

. . .A spirit of the dead makes a rude noise before passing on her way to the Other Side. . . .

[Lalwendë]

But surely if we lynch those who keep quiet then the werewolves will only shout even more? Therefore shouldn't we lynch those who shout the mostest?

[Farael]

. . .A spirit of the dead makes a rude noise before passing on her way to the Other Side. . . .
Now spirit, shush!! We have a good tactic, if the wolves buy on it it might just work!!!

I actually agree with Nogrod (probably for the first time :D ). Too many games the ordos have been foiled by a silent wolf (or more than one) A talkative wolf is likely to slip, and a silent ordo does not contribute lots to the game. So, why not lynch the silent ones? We have virtually nothign to go-on today other than some hunches and perhaps a really untimely slip by a careless wolf... The odds of a hunch being right are about 1/7 while the odds of a wolf being careless this early on the game are... well, negligible.

So I say, now that we still have the numbers to risk perhaps a few bad lynchings... why not lynch the silent ones?

Furthermore, it has become a common trend among wolves to kill those that will leave no trail. Talkative ordos tend to put werewolves in tight spots while silent ones are easy kills. I say we kill the silent ones, until we have something better to go on.

[Celuien]

Twirls a lasso and fires off a shot from a six-shooter

Low-down skulkin' varmints! Ain't got any sense of decency to go 'n maul their hosts. Out on the trail, we'd show those no-accounts what was comin' to 'em.

Now, I know that you wolves were told to hush up, but I say you should just fess up now. Ya can't hide forever, and the marshall will be comin' before long.

I'm not a-trustin' that Countess Folwren. Can't tell about those stoic mysterious types. And I'm agreein' with Farael 'bout that Warg-Prince Eomer bein' one to watch. He's done twisted my head around worse than a tornado more than once before. ;) :p

[Farael]

But surely if we lynch those who keep quiet then the werewolves will only shout even more? Therefore shouldn't we lynch those who shout the mostest?
Cross posted with you. See Lalwende the "problem" with your plan is that, as I mentioned perviously, loud people leave trails. Loud ordos eventually get under the werewolves skins and by the lynch patterns we can hope to figure out who the wolves are. Loud werewolves can be as loud as they wish, but they are playing with the knowledge of who is who, and furthermore they have to be careful with their interactions with the other wolf, so once we nail one wolf, if we force the couple to be loud, it is possible that we will find the second by analysing the first wolve's talk.

It is a lot of detective work, and eventually it comes down to a few good guesses.... but if we only leave the silent ones around, then it will ONLY be random guessing, all through the game.

So I say, lynch the silent ones and force the wolves on the spotlight, where any mistakes they make will be noticed.

[Folwren]

May I remind you gentlemen, before you lynch any of the more silent, that not everyone chatters about nothing? It would be wise to remember that not all who talk endlessly and try to make sense are as innocent and guiltless as they want to make out.

And, Lalwendë, you're assumption is not quite so monstrous as the men's, but even the idea of lynching the most talkative is erroneous. Many people will talk an endless and great amount on Day 1 merely to make conversation. Sometimes, they do so in order to spark conversation, which can be important. Others don't know how to behave at Dances and get nervous and talk too much.

No...I say, search for the people in the center, but do so without forgetting those on the two farthest side of the spectrum of talkative and silent.

-- Countess Folwren

P.S. Cross posted with Farael twice and Celuien once.

[Celuien]

Crossed with a bunch of dancers.

About the silent ones...I'd agree that it hasn't been uncommon for wolves to use quiet folks to their advantage, so I would be inclined to choose from the quiet ones first...unless someone noisy catches my attention.

[Folwren]

I'm not a-trustin' that Countess Folwren. Can't tell about those stoic mysterious types.

The countess bows ever so slightly, and ever so elegantly. Beneath her mask, her thin eyebrow is raised in a high arch. Her pale lips form a straight thin line.

You can not tell, indeed. Not by my looks or words, perhaps. Maybe you will come to trust me, though. I know not. Nor do I care.

[Lalwendë]

Farael, being the naughty/nice Elf I know all too well how the naughty and the downright wicked can fly under the radar by doing their bad things in a sneaky fashion. They hope not to be noticed, but the eyes of the naughty/nice elf are always open and she is always alert. But some of them are wise to this so they bluster and shout in the vain hope of double bluffing and so still getting their undeserved gifts from dear old Father Christmas...

Now Folwren I agree often people bluster due to their nerves, but why are they nervous? Something to hide, eh?

[Rikae]

So, we have werewolves here... howcome I'm suspected and not Eomer (let me spell it out for you here) the Prince of Wargs ?

I say warg=wolf, prince=special, special wolf= werewolf!!!!!

Weeellll, hoom. I promised myself I wouldn't say this, but you've given me an opening:
don't be hasty, little orc!

Nogrod, I don't think it's as bleak as all that. We needn't rely on luck alone. I have great faith in the close reading and careful consideration of each post, hoomraroom, and the plain hobbit sense that tells us who seems foul, though he may look fair, and vice versa. (note - the previous is not meant to indicate anyone in particular, it's merely a general statement).

Methinks that merely judging based on posting volume is too broad; a wolf can hide in any category. I suggest we look for inconsistancy and convoluted reasoning, as these are the mark of a liar.

[Nogrod]

A familiar discussion at a Ball, I see...

Foley's middle-ground sounds reasonable and to a certain extent it is reasonable - at least as I can see it.

But.

There is a funny thing in the dynamics of these Balls where those people dancing with grand gestures and taking lots of room on the floor will be left without a seat in the end as they are in everyone's eyes all the time. They are the ones that are in people's minds as the Dance ceases.

So a witty WW would stand aside and sit easily for the most of the first Dance, or just make a few little sensible-looking squaredances to show they take part. Those I find the most frightening ones.

As Farael said, the ones who fill the floor with their presence will inevitably leave a trail that can be looked upon after a few Dances, but those careful enough not to arouse too much attention stay near the chairs and leave no trail of their choreography...

[Rikae]

Sensible advice, Noggy, or is it? I have never encountered a wolf pack that sticks entirely to the shadows, or to the spotlight. I suspect we are more likely to find a wolf in each group.

[Folwren]

Now Folwren I agree often people bluster due to their nerves, but why are they nervous? Something to hide, eh?

The countess fixes her with a cold glance.

No. Not necessarily something to hide. Fear, maybe. There is a lot to fear when eternal death is threatened, would you not say?

[Folwren]

Cross posted with a few dancers.

There is hardly a pack of wolves to speak of, Rikae. There are two. And two Cobblers. Two cobblers who know who the wolves are. Torture is not need to kill the wolves, but perhaps it would be convenient* if we could find the cobblers.

I still do not think it is good to kill the silent ones. Be careful...if you must...consider how they usually are. Those with the habits of being silence and shy should not be killed for it.

-- Countess Folwren

*This is only for the game. A stoical woman would not be adverse to torturing someone if it meant getting needed information, but I am not personally for torture. (Nor am I really, trully, stoical.) - Foley

[Lalwendë]

The countess fixes her with a cold glance.

No. Not necessarily something to hide. Fear, maybe. There is a lot to fear when eternal death is threatened, would you not say?

The little Elf winks and skips about as she says:

"But those who have been good have nothing to fear!"

[Celuien]

I suggest we look for inconsistancy and convoluted reasoning, as these are the mark of a liar.

Indeed, though it was once said that a truly clever wolf would tell the truth, just not truths that would lead to the true identity of the wolves. That's the scariest thought of all! :eek:

If someone is obviously misleading and inconsistent, it's a red flag, but I think I tend to find extreme caution more alarming. With only two wolves against 13 dancers, the wolves have more to lose, numerically speaking, if one is caught. And the wolves are also the ones with a secret, so they have to be careful...

[Rikae]

Farael, being the naughty/nice Elf I know all too well how the naughty and the downright wicked can fly under the radar by doing their bad things in a sneaky fashion. They hope not to be noticed, but the eyes of the naughty/nice elf are always open and she is always alert. But some of them are wise to this so they bluster and shout in the vain hope of double bluffing and so still getting their undeserved gifts from dear old Father Christmas...

Now Folwren I agree often people bluster due to their nerves, but why are they nervous? Something to hide, eh?

Lalwende, you seem to be trying to direct our attention to those at the extremes; while Nogrod and Folwren advise us to direct our attention toward the moderates and Farael wants to lynch the quiet ones.

As for myself, as I've said, I'm inclined to think posting volume is flimsy evidence in general.

Lal is, as far as we know, new to the game; her argument would seem to be logical reasoning for a newbie, but it could also be an attempt to shelter a moderate wolf. As she is a newbie, I'm inclined to believe the former for now.
Nogrod and Folwren are experienced, and state the obvious as is generally done on a first day (or dance). Of course, as vocal players, they also argue for their own innocence.
Farael's frustration with being left with the random choice between quiet players I understand, but it will doubtless mean lynching several innocents with no evidence against them. Later in the game, there will be some evidence even concerning the quiet players; everyone has to post daily, and their connections to known wolves/innocents will provide some sort of trail.
Celuien and Kath offer some day one randomness, and Holbytlass some poetry; both are safe posts, but so are Nogrod and Folwren's.

Yet to post:
Morm
Kitana
Naria
Mac
Valier
Eomer
Cailyn

Edit: Cross posted with Lalwende, Celuien and Folwren

[Farael]

I have never encountered a wolf pack that sticks entirely to the shadows, or to the spotlight.
Ah, but in my (rather extensive at this point in time, although perhaps not as extensive as other's) experience in this kind of sticky situations, it is always the silent wolf that lasts until the end. The loud one often gets lynched early on, and then the silent one sneaks upon the shadows and coasts his cloak of silence to a grim victory.

In my experience, the only time this was not the case, as far as I remember, was with the acursed SPM... he was one crafty, loud wolf. But odds are in our favour, very few of us can claim to be as talented as him. So, I say, force the werewolves to play our game and not the other way around. Don't let them choose whether to hide in the shadows or in the spotlight, force them to be exposed and to take risks. That way, we have a better chance of finding them.

[Holbytlass]

I still do not think it is good to kill the silent ones. Be careful...if you must...consider how they usually are. Those with the habits of being silence and shy should not be killed for it.
True, but when usual quiet ones are afflicted with lupine tendencies then they are ready made to slip under the radar.
While I don't wish to see exclusive lynches of quiet ones, they are better to be dealt with sooner then later when, as others have stated, the end is near and barely a trail is there. Oh, gracious ladies and lords of the dance.

[Farael]

I'd like to bring up something that might be misnuderstood
I'm not saying "lynch the silent ones all through the game". I'm saying, today and any other day that we do not have good evidence to work on, let's lynch a silent one. Obviously, if we start to find a trend on the werewolve's killings, we should abandon this plan and follow that trend. But in Day 1 there is often nothing to go on... and more often than not, Day 2 gives us rather little information. Unless we have an unexpected breakthrough (and hey, i might happen) I propose we start by getting rid now of those who will confound our counsels later with their silence.

[Farael]

True, but when usual quiet ones are afflicted with lupine tendencies then they are ready made to slip under the radar.
While I don't wish to see exclusive lynches of quiet ones, they are better to be dealt with sooner then later when, as others have stated, the end is near and barely a trail is there. Oh, gracious ladies and lords of the dance.
I can't believe I'm about to say this but... I.... erm... I.... agree with you Holbytlass. I think you explain in few words what I said in my last post. I also cross-posted with you, or else I would have saved myself the trouble of the last post.

[Cailín]

What a mess! Masked balls always did seem dodgy affairs to me.

It is comforting to know not much has changed. The silent versus loud debate is still standing strong, I see, and still unresolved. I see no real point to contribute: it is suspicious behaviour in general, careful wording and thought out messages that we need to detect, not the length and quantity of posting. I think Folwren the Stoic Countess has a strong case in post #17 that basically boils down to everyone is suspicious. Good point.

As to the identity of the wolves: I suspect the most beautiful masks may hide the darkest souls. I therefore think Kath and Valier should be closely observed at all times. Or it might possibly be the Christmas Elf, who would have a nice accomplish in the choirboy. Well, truthfully, I have not a clue, but I know the culprit can not possibly be the devastatingly handsome, noble Prince of Wargs, also known as Eomer of the Rohirrim.

[Folwren]

Perhaps you are right, Farael. Just perhaps. My aversion of your idea came when you mentioned it so early on.

Cross posted with a few posts.

[Rikae]

Now, Farael, the dance has just begun. By tomorrow afternoon we may have something to go on, and I'd rather lynch a suspected wolf than somebody who happens to have few posts on day one.
(and hey, i might happen)Typo or Freudian slip? (j/k)

Edit: Cross posted with the last 3 posts.

[Rikae]

Indeed, though it was once said that a truly clever wolf would tell the truth, just not truths that would lead to the true identity of the wolves. That's the scariest thought of all! :eek:

Ah, but in this case, the avoidence of a topic or person will be the red flag.

[Farael]

I think Folwren the Stoic Countess has a strong case in post #17 that basically boils down to everyone is suspicious. Good point.

True enough, but it is our job to curb and limit those suspicions to a manageable size. We can't just lynch everyone, thus we must try to figure out who is innocent and who is furry.

I might go against my own plan, though, and vote for Folwren today. She has back-flipped already, saying that she's not "that much" against my plan anymore... coincidentally, as my plan gained some support from the most unexpected source (Holby).

P.S: Rikae very funny... don't make me comb over my posts three times just to make sure I don't leave any other typos behind. :p

[Celuien]

Ah, but in this case, the avoidence of a topic or person will be the red flag.
True enough. :)

[Nogrod]

Now, Farael, the dance has just begun. By tomorrow afternoon we may have something to go on, and I'd rather lynch a suspected wolf than somebody who happens to have few posts on day one.I quess we all would? I don't believe anyone in their senses would argue against that.

But due to timezones certain things need to be brought afore sometimes early on. I'm most puzzled to realise I find myself defending Farael here - and will promise to watch him closely just because of the fact that I seem to agree with him somewhat wholeheartedly by now... :)

I would just like to remind us of the following:
When we start actually thinking about those who should be left without a chair in the end of the Dance, we rarely find the guts to vote for those who just haven't appeared on the floor a lot as it feels so bad to vote someone out because of that and possibly be wrong! So we tend to try and find even the slightest of reason to vote for someone of whom we think we know something... e.g. those who stand in the open. That way we leave some people in to the shadows where they have decided to reside. That is the perfect place for a villain. And I think you all know how often the first lynch is a goodwilling and active villager...

The logic of truth is easy, the logic of lies built upon lies is very tricky indeed and at best impossible (some of my ancestors have noted this). The loud wolves are caught sooner or later but the silent and careful ones will be a thorn in our side which will become more and more painful after each Dance. :(

[Macalaure]

Long Macalaure the mime stared at the abhorrent sight of his dead host and hostess, his eyes opened and his stare engrossed. "Who could have done such direful deed? Whose hearts are so dark and whose souls so rotten that they find delight in this exposed cruelty?" he thought. But then he remembered:

These are the Barrow-Downs...

It could be everybody.

He turned around to take a look at the other guests present. There was this rude person calling himself mormegil. Can anybody possibly come more untrustworthy than he? Fear stroke Macalaure's heart and with a frightened expression on his face he quickly turned to the next guest.

There was Kath, a butterfly of unmatched beauty and charm. But as she met his eyes he began to feel otherwise. No, this lady was cold and cunning and capable of everything. With an expression of discomfort he went on.

Orcs are known to be cruel beyond all measures, so Macalaure approached Farael with much caution. But his anxiety was lightened. Could an orc as fair-looking as Farael ever conceive any evil? He did not think so and an unheard sigh of relief escaped him.

Then Macalaure was shocked, for the next guest he turned to already had her gaze firmly set upon him. Rikae the Entwife stood there silently, slowly swaying her branches in the wind, observing Macalaure's every move. He was disconcerted, trying to look away but unable to. He quickly moved on, still feeling Rikae's eyes on him.

The weirdest of sights then opened up to the mime's eyes. A nice choirboy stood there and he went by the name of - Nogrod?? It was so evident, it was ridiculous: This was a wolf in choirboy's clothing. Macalaure lowered an eyebrow and gave Nogrod a stern glare. The glare was met by a cute and innocent smile, but this did not lead him astray. This Nogrod was evil and guilty.

If there was one pure being in this place it had to be Lalwendë. "Seriously," Macalaure thought, "how could a Christmas Elf ever be up to something evil?" But then it came to his mind that Christmas Elves also come to scold and punish the people who were naughty! Was she taking her duties too seriously at a place like this? Lalwendë looked at him with mild mischief and Macalaure went on unsettled.

Long he looked upon Kitanna. What kind of person and what kind of thoughts hid themselves under that bag? He was unable to find out and proceeded his round as wise as before.

"Do we not all know how these spoiled heiresses are? They have no real goal in (after-)life and find enjoyment only in expensive nothings and decadent games." he thought. He looked upon Naria with emphasised dismission and dismissive his gaze was met. He did not know whether Naria was guilty or not, but he would put nothing past her.

Macalaure smiled happily when he came past Celuien and proudly showed her the new rope tricks that she taught him before. He was about to continue credulously when suddenly a vision of his forefathers stroke him. He saw an ancestor of this Celuien lynching his own kin in times long past! Macalaure's face petrified in shock and in horror he withdrew from her.

Just at the time that he came nearer to Valier, a thought entered Macalaure's mind: "Who lit the two candles on the chandelier?" It clearly had a connection to the deaths and, unless lit by some dark force of sorcery, somebody had to fly up there to put fire to the wicks! Who else could have done this but this flighty young woman? But she looked sweet and innocent, so Macalaure went on without certainty.

Proud and rotten and grown old in his own wickedness was Vorgram, the Ancient Prince of Wargs. Only reluctantly and with greatest caution Macalaure approached him and he needn't stay long. Vorgram was evil and Macalaure most suspicious of him. He decided to closely watch him from now on - from a bit more afar.

A lighthearted and soothing voice the mime then perceived and turning to its source he saw Cailín, a robin, singing a song that would put Middle-earth's greatest nightingales to shame. Delighted and with new strength of heart he continued the last stops of his inquiry.

He came to Holbytlass, the supposedly 'funny' court jester. "Ha! Those lame groaners and corny jokes are all you have? You don't know about the fine humour of the pantomime. You don't stand a chance once I warm up!" Those were the thoughts that entered Macalaure's mind and it did not seem unlikely to him that Holbytlass herself killed hostess and host to have more material for her low kind of humour. With attached arrogance he went on.

At last he came to Folwren, the countess. She noticed him but barely reacted. Macalaure presented to her the finest of his skills, invisible ropes, invisible walls, invisible tin openers... Exhausted he bowed to her at last. The countess gave a reserved nod of approval and Macalaure smiled, slightly perplexed. A lady as stoic as this one could not possibly have caused such gruesome scene! Or could she?

Finally Macalaure rested. So many people and so many of them evil! For the rest of the dance he spent his time making gestures of deep worry and pondering.


PS: Let's not lynch the people who talk the least, but the people who actually say the least.

PPS: I somewhat agree on Farael's opinion of Folwren.

[Folwren]

I might go against my own plan, though, and vote for Folwren today. She has back-flipped already, saying that she's not "that much" against my plan anymore... coincidentally, as my plan gained some support from the most unexpected source (Holby).

The Countess' lip curls in a mocking smile

So! You would prefer to argue to no avail? Is it not an argument’s or lecture’s purpose to change other people’s minds? I do not agree that we should lynch the quiet ones each day. I meant that your idea of perhaps lynching a quiet one on this Day only and going with more strategical proceedings on following days was not so bad.

But if you choose to think of me as guilty because you managed to half way convince me, so be it.

[Folwren]

Cross posted with this, and I can't resist....


PS: Let's not lynch the people who talk the least, but the people who actually say the least.

Like you?

[Holbytlass]

Macalaure, good thing we can read minds like the elves otherwise by the very nature of your chosen occupation you would say the least and be the first to die :p ;)

... coincidentally, as my plan gained some support from the most unexpected source (Holby).
Actually, for those who haven't been dancing that long I have lore books of olde with me greatgreatgreat(you get the idea) grandmama where she and her 2 wolfladies hid in the shadows of all the great talk and became victorious.

{quote=Mac]PS: Let's not lynch the people who talk the least, but the people who actually say the least.[/quote]
exactly
When we start actually thinking about those who should be left without a chair in the end of the Dance, we rarely find the guts to vote for those who just haven't appeared on the floor a lot as it feels so bad to vote someone out because of that and possibly be wrong! So we tend to try and find even the slightest of reason to vote for someone of whom we think we know something... e.g. those who stand in the open. That way we leave some people in to the shadows where they have decided to reside. That is the perfect place for a villain. And I think you all know how often the first lynch is a goodwilling and active villager...
agreed

[Macalaure]

Like you?
Yes.



:D

[Rikae]

To help me sort things out, more than anything else:

Out of the seven yet-to-post-ers I listed, Cailin (soory for the spelling error) has posted.
Still silent:
Mac - I don't expect him til tomorrow anyway, due to time zones
Eomer
Morm
Kitanna (again, sorry)
Naria
Valier



Or those who have posted more than once: Nogrod, Farael, Folwren and myself couldn't very well be quiet, whether wolf or innocent, without the change in playing style attracting attention. I'm not sure if this applies to Holby or Celuien, and of course, it doesn't apply to Lal. Cailin and Kath have posted only once each as I type; I don't know about Cailin but I would expect more posts from Kath.

Still, right now we have six out of fifteen who qualify as "quiet". Randomly lynching from among those six is a shot in the dark with lousy odds. Kitanna, Valier, Kath and Mac are four I'd particularly expect to see plenty of posting from, though, and if we haven't by tomorrow I may become suspicious.

Of course, I'm a relatively new player and my assessments may be inaccurate; so feel free to correct me.

Edit: Oh, there you are, Mac! Cross posted with several.

[Rikae]

Folwren, yeah, Nogrod seems to have a tendancy to suspect those who agree with him, if I recall correctly!

[Holbytlass]

Seeing as it's only been 4 hours of dancing no one as of yet qualifies as quiet.
It's understandable for those of differing dancetimes to yank a chair from someone and vote for them early on. But to start diffying up as to who's deliberetly hiding is way too soon. In fact it may take a few dances to figure it out.

[Rikae]

Holby, I'm the last to advocate hasty stereotyping. I'm pinpointing those who haven't posted merely to

a) Keep track of them, it's easy to overlook them.
b) Try to prompt them to post!

Although, as I've said, seeing nothing or little from someone who is normally talkative will arouse my suspicions eventually - but not yet.

[Kitanna]

That Kitanna, for example, rejection can be a powerful motivator.
Why would I take out my rejection on poor Durelin or CaptainofDespair? They didn't kick me out of the band.

But surely if we lynch those who keep quiet then the werewolves will only shout even more? Therefore shouldn't we lynch those who shout the mostest?
Or maybe we should lynch those who talk just enough not to be labeled as loud mouths or quiets.

So I say, now that we still have the numbers to risk perhaps a few bad lynchings... why not lynch the silent ones?
I say it is a horrible idea for this day. Day One is ripe with confusion on many levels, sometimes people miss day one all together because of time zone confusion. I think we should give it until Day Two before attacking silent players, if we decide to go after them at all.

Much of today's talk so far has been on lynching people based on how quiet they are. I am quite torn on the idea.
When we start actually thinking about those who should be left without a chair in the end of the Dance, we rarely find the guts to vote for those who just haven't appeared on the floor a lot as it feels so bad to vote someone out because of that and possibly be wrong! So we tend to try and find even the slightest of reason to vote for someone of whom we think we know something... e.g. those who stand in the open. That way we leave some people in to the shadows where they have decided to reside. That is the perfect place for a villain. And I think you all know how often the first lynch is a goodwilling and active villager...
I agree with Nogrod's statement there, but on Day One I'm not so fond on lynching quiets. Sometimes confusion just gets the best of people on Day One and being quiet is unavoidable. It has happened to me before and so I always feel a bit of sympathy to quiets on Day One. However I agree with looking long and hard at the silent villagers Day Two and beyond. Staying quiet more than one day in a row seems a bit like flying under the radar and warrants inspection of the villager.

Howver on Day One I think looking at moderates is a better plan and looking at silents is better for Day Two.

[Nogrod]

Seeing as it's only been 4 hours of dancing no one as of yet qualifies as quiet.I totally agree with this judgement!

We should be able to make a difference between what we say in principle and what we urge others to take action right now... For now we have been talking about general principles I think (at least I have), but little by little we start to build up actual points. What I'm afraid is that we pick the slightest of possible confusing thing and go voting on the basis of it for someone who has actually taken part and leaving the silent / careful in their shadow... 'nuff said about the topic from my part now.

Just simmering the pot:

If there ever was a cobbler, then Macalaure is one... :D

[Rikae]

b) Try to prompt them to post!

See, it works!

[Kath]

Kitanna, Valier, Kath and Mac are four I'd particularly expect to see plenty of posting from, though, and if we haven't by tomorrow I may become suspicious.
Emphasis mine. You haven't played with me often have you Rikae? :D

Ah so the good old quiet/loud debate continues. A wolf can be quiet, hiding behind the (generally correct) assumption that villagers won't vote for someone who has barely been around out of a sense of 'oh, we should give them a chance'. However, wolves can be loudmouths who hide behind their words. There can be no tactic of 'lynch all the quiet ones' or 'lynch all the loud ones' because, more often than not, there will be one of each. As mentioned before it's the meaning behind the words that is important.

But then, this debate is only really going on because we don't have a Seer and their tactics to argue about. Plus it's good to gauge reactions to things first Day, and hope that someone says something that proves them evil in future Days.

[mormegil]

A couple of things. There are already 50 posts in about 4 hours! A bit silly I'd say. Now I haven't read all of them yet but a couple of things that did stick out to me is that Farael is innocent...why you ask. He has his innocent style of play that I always find suspicious. So if I'm suspicious of him he must be innocent.

Rikae has contributed the most to this obscene amount of posting. Also she was clamoring on about the silent one after 2 hours! Let's get real here. Well Mormegil hasn't posted in 2 hours he simply must be guilty.

Eomer is innocent ...trust me on this.

++Rikae

By lynching her we will make things a bit easier as we will have fewer overall posts. I don't know if she's innocent or guilty but this is a spite vote...though for that matter I might want to lynch Eomer so that he can get his come-uppance. Nothing personal Rikae but I"m in the mood for a bit more silent game and currently you have the most posts. :)

[Rikae]

Kath, I remember you being an active player in past games; maybe not as much as Nogrod, but still involved.

I think if I were a wolf, one thing I would certainly not do is lurk around the board silently until the silent ones began to be suspected, and then post immediately. That would be FAR too incriminating (after all, why would an innocent lurk?).

Not that Mac or Kitanna did that; I'm sure it's just a coincidence. Still, I'd keep an eye on them - or two.

Edit: cross posted with Morm

[mormegil]

Kath is not generally the most active player, so to speak, but normally she's evil and guilty not to mention mean and vindictive....I say kill her soon.

[Kath]

Ooh you sneak morm! Just because I make a good wolf I get victimised. :p

[Rikae]

A couple of things. There are already 50 posts in about 4 hours! A bit silly I'd say. Now I haven't read all of them yet but a couple of things that did stick out to me is that Farael is innocent...why you ask. He has his innocent style of play that I always find suspicious. So if I'm suspicious of him he must be innocent.Ah, very logical. When you aren't suspicious of him, is he guilty?

Rikae has contributed the most to this obscene amount of posting. Also she was clamoring on about the silent one after 2 hours! Let's get real here. Well Mormegil hasn't posted in 2 hours he simply must be guilty. Well, if you actually read before voting, you would have seen that Farael was the one advocating lynching the silent ones, and I posted the list to point out that too many were silent to make that a viable strategy, and to try to get everyone posting, which was his stated reason for the "lynch the quiet ones" strategy.


Eomer is innocent ...trust me on this.Why? Because you're a seer? Oh, wait, we don't have one.

++Rikae

By lynching her we will make things a bit easier as we will have fewer overall posts. I don't know if she's innocent or guilty but this is a spite vote...though for that matter I might want to lynch Eomer so that he can get his come-uppance. Nothing personal Rikae but I"m in the mood for a bit more silent game and currently you have the most posts. :)Well, if everyone agrees with Morm, feel free to lynch me! I've done my best to be helpful while I have a chance to be here, but if I'm not wanted, so be it.

[Kath]

And so it begins. Why is it that every game ends up with someone storming off?

Rikae, morm obviously had to vote early for some reason. He has nothing to go on so he's picking on someone for a ridiculous reason, most probably to gauge reactions. It doesn't mean he hates you.

[Kitanna]

Originally Posted by mormegil
Rikae has contributed the most to this obscene amount of posting. Also she was clamoring on about the silent one after 2 hours! Let's get real here. Well Mormegil hasn't posted in 2 hours he simply must be guilty.
Well, if you actually read before voting, you would have seen that Farael was the one advocating lynching the silent ones, and I posted the list to point out that too many were silent to make that a viable strategy, and to try to get everyone posting, which was his stated reason for the "lynch the quiet ones" strategy.
Well in this "lynch the silent ones" campaign I'd say you come off a bit suspcious Rikae. Farael brings it up and, as Morm said, you begin making the most posts that are pointing out the silent ones. Now this seems like an attempt to be as unquiet as possible to avoid Farael's lynching of the quiet folk around here. That's one way to look at it.
However I've never really seen your playing style Rikae, so, I'm not sure how to find you. At the moment I am torn between thinking you an innocent trying to move the game along or a bumbling wolf that is trying to stay away from the quiet area due to Farael's idea of lynching them.

I think if I were a wolf, one thing I would certainly not do is lurk around the board silently until the silent ones began to be suspected, and then post immediately. That would be FAR too incriminating (after all, why would an innocent lurk?).

Not that Mac or Kitanna did that; I'm sure it's just a coincidence. Still, I'd keep an eye on them - or two.
Excuse me for being unable to speed read through forty-some posts when I get on.

[Rikae]

I'm not storming off - I'meant if more players want to get rid of me, they can go ahead and vote for me.

As for the rest, I just found Morm's post very suspicious, from the inaccurate statements on Farael and myself to the "seerish" comment about Eomer. I'm not saying this out of spite; it should be clear to anyone that Morm's post is fishy, apparently designed to create confusion. There may be an innocent explanation, but as it stands it looks very odd.

[mormegil]

No I have no reason to vote early and will be hanging around and dancing quite a bit yet. My vote was for the reason stated. Not anything personal or meant to be offensive simply to slow down posting a bit, it seems to have the opposite effect.

Kath I never said you make a good wolf I did say

but normally she's evil and guilty not to mention mean and vindictive....I say kill her soon

:p

Why? Because you're a seer? Oh, wait, we don't have one.

It appears that I may have been deceived on this point...let me look at the PM quickly no it doesn't say that I'm not ergo I dreamt of it and simply know that he's innocent though would make a fine revenge kill.

[Kitanna]

As for the rest, I just found Morm's post very suspicious, from the inaccurate statements on Farael and myself to the "seerish" comment about Eomer. I'm not saying this out of spite; it should be clear to anyone that Morm's post is fishy, apparently designed to create confusion. There may be an innocent explanation, but as it stands it looks very odd.
Normally I'd agree, but since it was Morm who posted it, well I'm conflicted. A bold bluff on his part to declare someone innocent. However it could just be one good old joke from games past or he's trying to lead us off the scent. He's crafty like that. I find Morm extremely hard to pin down until a few days in and even then I'm only sure of him when he's dead, because, well, all doubt is removed when someone bites the big one.

[Nogrod]

As this dancing occurs at so unfortunate time of my timetable I will have to take a nap on a chair for a while. But before I go just slight first impressions to be adjusted after more dancing has taken place...

Those not posted yet (no alarm bells yet as it's on certain counts early, but waiting...):
Naria
Valier
Eomer

Those I tend to trust right now for various reasons:
Kitanna: speaks sense in an innocentish way. She could pull it, I know, but it feels pretty straight.
Rikae: Much too much involvement to be a wolf and defending herself in an honest sounding way.

Slightly favouring on the innocent side (probably not voting toDay, without further reasons):
Lalwende: As I've never played with her I haven't the faintest. Sounds good, but a wise person would do that if she were a wolf too...
Cailín: Making sense. Feels right, albeit with no arguments that could be argued about - admitted.
Holbytlass: Hard to discern although sounding reasonable. About the same thing with Cailín.
Celuien: Making sense and feeling good as well, as the two before.

Hard ones to discern:
mormegil: Looks mormegilish... I'm not sure if that assures me anyday, but he makes sense.
Farael: Sounds Innocent with a capital letter - and that's just why I'm a bit reserved with him. Speaks sense. Normally I know him being more aggressive.

Somewhat suspicious:
Macalaure: Looks pretty cobblerish by trying to spread suspicion over all the "veteran" players... and not making sensible points as normally (okay, just a few hours behind in the game, but why to rush for that kind of summary so early, kind of out of the blue without even a point but if not to muddy the waters?)
Folwren: Feels un-Foleyish...
Kath: Never underestimate or ignore the possibility of her being the wolf... :p

But as I said, these are only first impressions. I will be back after a long while, but well before the band stops playing...

And really people not participating or posting problematically will gain my interest later on... I hope to see posting , a lot of dancing before I come back again!

[Farael]

I'm not storming off - I'meant if more players want to get rid of me, they can go ahead and vote for me.
Rikae I think you are experienced enough to know better than to react like this! The way I see it, Morm was taking a chance and voting for you to see your reaction. Keep in mind that we have retractable votes, so such an early vote means nothing, as long as Morm is around later on today.

And yet, your defensiveness is bound to raise some eyebrows. I know that it is part of your playing style, but boy did you over-react to Morm's pretty much random accusation!

Of course, Morm's randomness is also a good tactic for avoiding suspicion... if we call him on "playing too safe" he'll say that being random is not safe gameplay... if we call him on "playing randomly" he'll say that at least he's taking a chance, and such reckless behaviour would not be what a wolf would do.

Ugh, werewolfing gives me headaches.

For now, I'm keeping an eye on Rikae, Folwren Macalure and Morm (in that order).

Rikae really jumped at Morm's accusations.
Folwren has a valid point as a reply to my accusation of a flip-flop, but my gut tells me otherwise... and my guy is right much more often than my brains
Macalure wrote a really long and pretty much useless post. If we had a seer I might have thought it was a seer leaving hints, but since there's no such thing... cobbler anyone?
Lastly, I tend to suspect completely random and mostly "joking" posts, thus Morm qualifies... but I don't suspect him as much as the other three.

[Farael]

X-ed with Nogrod. Nothing to comment on his post.

[Rikae]

Kitanna -

I can't really be said to have a playing style, since this is my fourth game. However, in my first game I was quite talkative, as those who played with me might remember. The second caught me during midterms, and I was lynched early in the third.

[Rikae]

Farael, well, I can not defend myself and let the accusations stand, or defend myself and be accused of being overly defensive. I'll just be upfront - I was a bit insulted, to tell you the truth. I know I shouldn't be so touchy.
Regarding Morm's goofing around; nothing wrong with joking, but it could be used as a smokescreen to avoid substantive posts while still participating.
Mac I've played with twice before, and he was much the same as both a baddie and an innocent, as far as I could tell. All I can say is I hope he's on the village's side.
Farael came up with the "lynch the quiet ones" plan, though everyone seems to think it was me. I don't approve of that plan, but am not necessarily suspicious of Farael; it seems like it may have been a strategy to get players posting, and it seems to have worked. Without a seer, we especially need to have everyone posting so we have something to go on.
Naria hasn't posted, which probably doesn't surprise anyone.
Eomer and Valier are yet to post.
Nogrod is himself, as far as I can tell, right up to his suspicion of Folwren for agreeing with his argument. (Might I remind you, Noggy, that you suspected my innocent mum for the same sort of reason?)
Folwren looks pretty balanced; an innocent or a clever wolf.
Kath hasn't said much; I will have to consult my lorebook regarding her normal behavior.
Kitanna's timing (posting immediately after I commented on her absence) is slightly suspicious, but it could be a coincidence, or innocent.
Cailin Seems reasonable and calm; maybe too much?
Celuien Seems innocentish at this point
Holby doesnt' seem especially suspicious, but she did go for the "lynch the quiet ones" plan a little too wholeheartedly for me to be entirely unconcerned.
Lalwende I can't decide about, except to say she seems to be quite the savvy newbie.

[Folwren]

Rikae, morm obviously had to vote early for some reason. He has nothing to go on so he's picking on someone for a ridiculous reason, most probably to gauge reactions. It doesn't mean he hates you.

I beg to differ. That is not obvious. Morm's behavior in that first post is shocking and appauling to me. He says he is suspicious of Farael, but he will not suspect him because he says his suspicion of him is usually wrong, etc., etc. Twisted logic, if you ask me.

Eomer is innocent, he says. Trust him, he says. Has Eomer even posted?

Someone said Mac was a cobbler? Well, well, well! What about Morm?

Folwren: Feels un-Foleyish...

Yes. I am un-Foleyish. I am Countess Folwren. Not Foley this time.

Farael, I have answered you. I will not answer again.

I will not make an over all list of people and what I think of them until tomorrow, closer to closing time.

[Celuien]

So many posts. I'm never going to be able to keep up with everything at this rate. :rolleyes:

I see that we have a little battle between morm and Rikae. I don't really make much of it. Such a thing isn't unknown for a pair of innocents in the lorebooks of Werewolf history. There are some rather notorious incidents, including one between my ancestor and an great-grandmother of Cailin's.

mormegil - seems almost normal for mormegil. Though he did say Eomer is innocent, and I automatically suspect Eomer on principle (see below). And this quote is a little odd:
It appears that I may have been deceived on this point...let me look at the PM quickly no it doesn't say that I'm not ergo I dreamt of it and simply know that he's innocent though would make a fine revenge kill.
Well, it could be normal Morm joking since we obviously don't have a Seer and because the PM reference is strange, but it still puzzles me a little. So I'll be watching him toDAY...
Kath - also seems to be normal Kath. No alarm bells.
Farael - seems like the usual innocent Farael. And has suggested the lynch the quiet ones plan. Since that always gets debate off to a running start, it seems to be a particularly innocent move.
Rikae - defensive. The height of defensiveness reached seems a little too attention drawing for a wolf at the beginning of a game, particularly considering that it looks like it was only in response to a single retractable vote. Probably innocent.
Nogrod - the usual Nogrod. Helpful, analytic. Not suspicious.
Lalwende - feels innocent. I'm watching mostly because I'm not familiar with her in werewolf.
Kitanna - another who does not alarm me at all.
Macalaure - first post was cited by Farael as possible evidence for shoe making. Don't know. It doesn't seem particularly out of line for day one behavior, and he did suggest the entirely reasonable modification to the lynch the silent ones plan of lynching those who say least when they do appear. *shrugs* He doesn't seem suspicious to me.
Eomer - A clear werewolf. I've suspected him since his lupine ancestor convinced my ancestor to attempt to save him at the last minute my impersonating the ranger. Should be lynched immediately. :p (Since he's not here yet, this is only a pure statement of old grudges :D)
Cailín - again, seems calm and isn't really appearing odd to me.
Holbytlass - another who seems innocent.
Folwren - elegant and stoic. Not suspicious.

Which leaves me where I usually am on day 1. Essentially clueless.

[Celuien]

Crossed with Foley. And there's a typo in my post above. "My" where there should be a "by". Garr, no editing rule. :eek:

[Kitanna]

This is just a head's up that I will probably be voting in about four hours. I get to go to work nice and early tomorrow and I won't be able to get back on until well after Day has ended.
I'll probably be reviewing the posts for a bit before voting. I really have no idea which way to go.

[Farael]

I think I'm going to be voting tonight as well. I don't know if I'll be able to check in to the 'downs tomorrow before the deadline, and since we have retractable votes...

I have nothing to comment on the latest posts. I'll wait until later on tonight and then cast my vote.

[mormegil]

The Specials are on now? Sweet, up I skank!

[Kitanna]

Macalure wrote a really long and pretty much useless post. If we had a seer I might have thought it was a seer leaving hints, but since there's no such thing... cobbler anyone?
Really? I thought of Mac's first post as nothing more than a normal good old first post for Day One. However in response to Folwren's post:

Originally Posted by Macalaure

PS: Let's not lynch the people who talk the least, but the people who actually say the least.

Like you?
In response he simply answered "Yes", now that I find far more useless than his first post and far more suspicious.

Aside from this it looks like people have quieted down a bit since I was last on. Most posts are who people think are guilty and who is thought to be innocent. I hope there's at least a little more activity before I turn in for the night.

[Valier]

Valier spins softly as if floating, towards the now assembled group of dancers. Her eyes closed, humming softly, she pauses, sighs and stops. "Excuse me? I don't think I quite understand......someone is dead? Why would anyone want to hurt some one at such a lovely place?" She now twirls her hair on one finger as she stands slightly on one leg. " I mean oh yeah now I remember....." Looks confused for a moment. " Poor, Poor Miss Durelin and Captain as well!! What ever shall we do?" Valier quickly looks side to side and gives a little shiver and takes a deep breath
"I know that killing the silent ones may sound like a good idea, but I think it folly. Whatever we say the wolves will certainly take into account. If we say kill the silent ones they will talk lots, if we say kill the loud ones they will back off. As a wolf the easiest way to get by is to talk quite frequently and try to sway votes whan they need to or if villagers want to kill the quiet ones they will just sit back and let them get killed. I say if anyone should go it is because of the way they react to others and the inconsistencies in their posting and opinions. I have had some experience being bad (though I've given it up for a more calmer life) I will try and post more things that I did and noticed with other wolves as soon as I can. I know today is random, but lets at least try and put some effort into it, seeing as we have no Seer or any other gifted to protect or help us. Every choice we make can hurt us if we don't think it through." Valier shakes her head suddenly and stares vacantly into the distance.
"Oh I love this song!! Would someone care to dance?"

[Farael]

I'm getting tired about repeating this point, but the merit of the "let's lynch the silent ones" is not necessarily in finding a silent wolf.

It is too likely that, if we enforce this plan, the wolves will start talking so that they won't be caught as "silent". A talking wolf is a wolf that is more likely to make a mistake. Furthermore, at the end of the game, silent players tend to draw attention off the main topics at hand (and while they are not lynched, they cause a lot of uncertainty).

If we put my plan into work, any self-respecting Ordo will talk to help the village, which will isolate the wolves (or cobblers for that matter) if they decide not to talk. Furthermore, if everyone talks, then there will be no silent ones to lynch, while still forcing the wolves on the spotlight.

[Holbytlass]

Seeing as it's only been 4 hours of dancing no one as of yet qualifies as quiet.
Holby, I'm the last to advocate hasty stereotyping. I'm pinpointing those who haven't posted merely to
a) Keep track of them, it's easy to overlook them.
b) Try to prompt them to post!
Only meant it (and the rest of post) in general terms, a reminder even to myself.
I'm glad someone, in this case you, occassionally tallies to see who hasn't spoken yet.
I beg to differ. That is not obvious. Morm's behavior in that first post is shocking and appauling to me.
Understandably, but we must remember that he is rude boy.

Farael, I get it.

[Kitanna]

I am afraid I need to cast a vote now. I'm hoping to grab on a few minutes online tomorrow before work, but it's nothing I can promise or I'd hold off voting.
I'll admit this is a pretty random vote and I do hate random votes. But I feel it is better to cast one out here randomly then completely miss out on the voting process.

++ Morm

I hold no real strong feelings toward any one player, but I rarely trust Morm. So due to my lack of trust I put my vote out there for Morm for that reason. Not the best of reasons, but I'd hate to miss the voting altogether.

[Farael]

Well, I dare not postpone this any longer... I have very little to go on, and I hope I'll be able to sneak back sometime before the deadline, but it'll be a close call and I want to get a vote in.

It's too soon to vote for a "silent" one, as they may yet speak before the day is over, but unless something happens, and if I get back in time, I shal doubtlessly vote according to my plan. It's up to you all to follow me or not.

Yet for now, I have two main suspects. My Brains tell me Rikae's reaction to Morm was rather weird (or wolfish). My Gut tells me there's something fishy about Folwren. Based on my luck on previous games, I should go for Folwren... and you know what? I think I will. I really have nothing better to go on than that "feeling" that there's something wrong.

++Folwren.

I hope to be back on time to lynch me a silent one.

[Naria]

Oh my, how the tongue can go on and on and on and on. *Snaps a piece of bubble gum and continues chewing* I will now go and read what all has been said. Oh and before I go and do this, just a reminder...don't hate me because I'm a quiet heiress, afterall quietness has been passed down to me and I am entitled to a Day one's grace. *Pulls out her scroll* see it says so right here. "Upon my death, my only daughter Naria will be entitled to a first Day's grace from any lynching if she comes upon a werewolf infested village." *Snaps gum again and toddles off to read*

[Naria]

Naria hasn't posted, which probably doesn't surprise anyone.

*almost chokes on her bubble gum*Pff, says you!! This comment got under my skin a little bit Rikae and right under this you state the same about Eomer and Valier, but omit the crass 'doesn't surprise anyone' statement. And then there's this
in my first game I was quite talkative, as those who played with me might remember.

Yes I do remember that village. I do, however, disagree that you are playing the same way. Yes you were talkative, but not in a flood posting kind of way and you were much more helpful and reasonable. You have an air about you that is very unsettling to me in this village. Someone pointed out(can't remember who) that a wolf wouldn't be so bold as to post as much as you have and(as far as I can see) get into pretty much everyone's face like you have. I disagree with this. I believe that a wolf Rikae would do something out of the ordinary and flood post and have little spats within our group. It would be the perfect plan, do something that no one would think a wolf would do. Afterall, there is already one dancer that has fallen for it.

I will be keeping a close eye on you m'dear. For now, I am off to slumberland.

[Cailín]

The loud versus silent debate could go on forever. Of course I think Naria is quiet and creepy (all my ancestors agreed unanimously on this), but she does have that Day One grace she was referring to, and anyway, I think she has actually been more talkative than usual.

I cannot help but finding Farael's behaviour a bit suspicious. He posts quite a lot, and passionately too, and is all together too much in favour of lynching those silent ones. On the other hand, I think this may be normal behaviour from him when he is an ordinary.

Rikae seems very eager to get involved and appears overly helpful, but I actually think she is an innocent. Sure, she is somewhat defensive after Mormegil's vote; but then again, the vote was cast in a decidedly unpleasant manner. I am rather against the notion of forcing people to post, though. Friendly banter and floodposting that usually leads to little dialogues between people are just the sort of thing wolves could hide behind. After all, who believes something fanged and furry would be skilled in basic social chit-chat?

Mormegil is thus quite obviously innocent as well. Generally, the ruder he gets, the less likely he is to be a wolf. I have no idea how he did find out Eomer is innocent, but undoubtedly he is very right indeed.

Gah! As usual, I am inclined to believe everyone is completely blameless in this whole affair.

Folwren does seem a little out of the ordinary. And this is not based on her Stoic Countess-ness, but much more on the fact that she seems to act rather out of character in post #68, in which she calls Mormegil's post "appalling" and refuses to answer to Farael again.

But I am worried that it comes down to focusing on all those that have posted much again. Now I do agree that there was an outrageous amount of posting during the first four hours of the dance, but as words are the only thing we have going for us this game, this was to be expected.

Actually, I am disappointed Nogrod (yes, you especially) did not come up with some interesting, complex and confusing theory concerning the two Cobblers. While wolves can have some selfish interests and sacrifice their comrades (or in this case comrade) to sail to a personal victory, the Cobblers will ultimately have to defend the wolf they know the identity of. Their behaviour and death might be very telling this time, in a twisted Seer-like manner. Now I am not saying we should try and purposefully hunt down the Cobblers, that would be irrational and a waste of time, but it is interesting nonetheless.

None of the other dancers seem as yet very guilty or shifty to me, so I do hope one of the evil creatures will do something rash before the day is out.

[Macalaure]

Let's get to work, thought the mime, and instead of explaining his suspicions with his hands and feet he decided to just write his ideas down and show them to everybody.

"At the moment, I get an innocent feel from Farael, Celuien and Holbytlass. I also feel Kitanna innocent, which actually makes me suspicious in turn because I usually find her suspicious when she's innocent (that's why I understand morm's point on Farael)"

"My early suspicion of Folwren has subsided a little. Her 'Let's look at the people in the middle but also at those at the extremes' sounded pretty fluffy to me. On the other hand, I know she knows how to appear innocent when she's guilty and perhaps wouldn't have said this if she really was. She also made a little more sense afterwards."

"I don't think Rikae's defensiveness is suspicious. What is suspicious, no offense, is that to me she appears to try to be helpful without actually being helpful."

"morm is suspicious. 50 posts in 4 hours is silly? Why? It's in fact understandable after the long time of withdrawal from werewolf-infested villages. I've seen silent villages before and they're not necessarily the most fun."

"This leads me to my main suspect: Nogrod. He criticises my 'summary' because it made no sense and intended to draw suspicion towards the 'veterans'. This is nonsense. It's only goal was to be funny and there was not one reasonable claim outside of the PSs. Maybe you didn't get the joke, Nogrod, but you could've seen that if it was cobblering, it was the most ineffective cobblering there ever was.
Secondly, he suspects Folwren because she felt un-Foleyish to him. May I say that suspecting people because they do not feel like they're supposed to is very un-Noggish?
Another funny thing: He likes to lynch silent players and requests people to post, yet he does not say one word about morm's attempt to silence the village. Very strange.
Cailin makes a fair point on him, too. I miss a big what-to-do-about-the-cobblers -theory from him as well, but I'm not sure whether this means something."

"If we kill people who make little sense or act very suspicious, it's not improbable that a cobbler bites the dust along the way. Since the cobbler knows one of the wolves, this might not be the worst thing that could happen. At any rate it's better than to lynch and innocent (well, of course it is...)."

[Lalwendë]

In skips the naughty/nice elf who has been hard at work (in bed and then out shopping early actually) looking out for those sneaks, fibbers and cads on behalf of Father Christmas.

Naria's silence was suspicious, but now Eomer's is even more suspicious. Or has he merely been stuck in a snowdrift somewhere? Well, ice drift at least, it being verrrry cold today. He could be playing silent for a good reason or a bad reason. I shall decide later...

Mormegil is slightly too chirpy and cheeky. Even if he is not a wolf then he better be careful or he will be getting nothing more than a satsuma and a shiny half shilling in his stocking.

Cailin and Macalaure seem to be the analysts here. Do we trust those who analyse? Kath and Folwren seem level headed and determined on a course of action. Is this just a smoke screen? Maybe, maybe not. Maybe I should tell father Christmas that if they have been good they should all get sets of compasses and rulers and things for Christmas, or maybe a Chemistry set.

Rikae is going with gut feelings, which makes me feel more comfortable (and I think she might get something good from Father Christmas), whereas Nogrod seems quite calm - at any rate I shall be able to pass a good report of him onto Father Christmas and he may be lucky enough to be the recipient of a shiny new train set or perhaps a fort and some soldiers.

Farael, Kitanna and Holbytlass are making me wonder right now...

[mormegil]

Valier spins softly as if floating, towards the now assembled group of dancers. Her eyes closed, humming softly, she pauses, sighs and stops. "Excuse me? I don't think I quite understand......someone is dead? Why would anyone want to hurt some one at such a lovely place?" She now twirls her hair on one finger as she stands slightly on one leg. " I mean oh yeah now I remember....." Looks confused for a moment. " Poor, Poor Miss Durelin and Captain as well!! What ever shall we do?" Valier quickly looks side to side and gives a little shiver and takes a deep breath
"I know that killing the silent ones may sound like a good idea, but I think it folly. Whatever we say the wolves will certainly take into account. If we say kill the silent ones they will talk lots, if we say kill the loud ones they will back off. As a wolf the easiest way to get by is to talk quite frequently and try to sway votes whan they need to or if villagers want to kill the quiet ones they will just sit back and let them get killed. I say if anyone should go it is because of the way they react to others and the inconsistencies in their posting and opinions. I have had some experience being bad (though I've given it up for a more calmer life) I will try and post more things that I did and noticed with other wolves as soon as I can. I know today is random, but lets at least try and put some effort into it, seeing as we have no Seer or any other gifted to protect or help us. Every choice we make can hurt us if we don't think it through." Valier shakes her head suddenly and stares vacantly into the distance.
"Oh I love this song!! Would someone care to dance?"

Perhaps I misunderstand you but I seem to gather from this that everything we do will lead to our detriment. I'm fairly confident that Valier is one of our cobblers. Now the question is do we lynch her or not? She may, if left alive, lead us to the wolf with whom she is acquainted or we may have just effectively made her impotent to do anything...that is if everybody else trusts me on this one.

Rikae, oh she's innocent and likely I'll take my vote back but it was sure fun while it lasted.

Another one that has raised my eyebrow is Celuien. She seems overly neutral on everything she says but I'm more confident in Valier being the cobbler than in Celuien being the wolf.

I do also like the fact that Noggie has come under suspicion...it's about time I say.

Well in light of the disco ball over head

--Rikae

++Valier

Do we have any Toasters coming up?

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Ah, there you are. :)

I favour the succinct. That might explain later reasoning.

Rooting out werewolves and cobblers. There shall be grand theories, but they will not come into play on the first day. (Barring any major slip-up by the baddies.)

Werewolves could employ any tactic on day one. Stereotyping is tempting but requires careful thought before we actually cast our votes.

Cobblers are the interesting new factor at this ball. It is tempting to rush into a mode of cobbler-accusations but I feel this will get us nowhere. No cobbler will be foolish enough to outright defend his/her cherished werewolf without good reason on Day One. The cobbler has to trust in the corresponding wolf; has to trust that they will get past a few days together. Then, in the later part of the game, alliances are all the more relevant. I believe it is very likely that there will be no visible link between the wolves and the cobblers at this early stage.

It wouldn't surprise me if a wolf tried to turn the debate into such useless accusations of cobblery.

To leave a trail (always a good survival tactic ;) )

—Rikae seems innocent to me. Fairly sure a wolf would not make the posts she has made.

—Farael, too, seems innocent to me. His bold approach is suited to stir the pot, and could even be designed to incur wrath (especially from the quiet ones ;) )

—Cailín is innocent. So wonderful and darling and fair. In fact, I'd say it's probably physically, mathematically, and yea! logically impossible for her to be evil.

I currently suspect Kath, Valier, Naria and Lalwendë.

...

[Lalwendë]

You suspect me? Oh I shall have to call up Father Christmas and ask him if being suspicious is on his list of naughty behaviour...

Cobblers! .............. What if they try to deflect the attention and support someone who is not their werewolf?

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

That's a good cobbler tactic. Hard to identify too. As in every game of Werewolf a bit of luck opens the door – a happenstance lynching of cobbler or wolf. It might actually be best if we get it a few days down the line where said unlucky villain has left a trail.

[Holbytlass]

The time has come
get up you bum
to find the guilty two
keep up the talk
keep clean your walk
or lynchee might be you

Much to go over, see who is siding with who and so forth...
I can say this though, I find switching votes too often a highly suspicious thing.

[Macalaure]

Cobblers! .............. What if they try to deflect the attention and support someone who is not their werewolf?Very possible. Once we (or maybe even the wolves) get one of them, we have to be very careful: there might be traps in their posts for those who reread them for hints.
One other thing: how do you think the cobblers will try to signal their wolf their identity? I mean, it would be the most unfortunate thing for them to be killed by those whom they protect. Maybe a dead wolf will leave a trail to its cobbler if we look for hints like that? I'm just thinking aloud since not much else is happening at the moment.

[Celuien]

About the cobblers...

I don't think I'm going to spend much time looking for cobbler hints. Because the wolves know who they are, they can spot hints addressed to them, even if hidden in a list of similar looking hints addressed to half the village. Those of us who don't know anyone else's identity run a serious risk of falling headlong into a cobbler trap. It applies after the cobbler/wolf is revealed by death as well, after which I'll probably run straight into the circular reasoning of 'it's a hint but it could be a trap but it could be a hint' that I always end up in when wolf hunting. :rolleyes:

[Macalaure]

Celuien,

In this game, there will be two Cobbers, and each Cobbler knows the identity of one of the two Werewolves (each Cobblers knows a different werewolf). Neither Cobbler knows who the other is, and the Werewolves are completely in the dark as to who the Cobblers are.

[Rikae]

Well, now. Hoom. Obvious cobblerishness makes me nervous. The cobblers in this game are the only ones (other than the wolves) who know anything, even though they'll be trying to hide it; they also can't directly kill us, so some people might imagine that we'd be inclined to keep the cobblers in play. This would make appearing cobblerish oddly safe; a bold way to hide in plain sight, espectially if it can be passed off as a joke.

Kitanna and Cailin are both making me nervous for the opposite reason; their posts seem overly safe and calculated. Valier's single post lacking any content whatsoever is still more unnerving, and as Mac and Cailin have pointed out, Noggie seems to be holding back somewhat. However, Mac and Cailin don't seem entirely innocent themselves; and lynching an innocent Nogrod would be very bad for the village indeed.
Morm is a rude boy, of course. Too rude to be a wolf (or so he'd like us to think).

[Celuien]

Ah, I see that I've been unclear.

Mac, I know that the werewolves aren't told who their cobblers are. That's not what I was suggesting. Let me clarify. What I meant is that the werewolves know their own identities, so that if a cobbler leaves a note to werewolf X, X should be able to pick up on that clue, even if the cobbler has hidden the message in a group of similar appearing statements about innocents because X will be looking for statements addressed to him/her. But if the villagers look for a message to X without knowing who X is, it would be quite a bit more difficult to find werewolf tracks versus cobbler confusion.

Is that better? :)

[Kath]

Yeah, so I forgot we have retractable votes. :o :rolleyes: Apologies for the earlier assumption morm.

Now, we have two Wolves and two Cobblers. Which is more likely to make a mistake, or do something that makes them look wolvish? The whole point of the Cobbler is to help the wolves win by keeping suspicion away from them. In this game that job is made even easier because the Cobbler's know the identity of one of the wolves. It makes sense then to assume that, if a wolf looked to be in danger, the Cobbler that knows it's identity would draw suspicion away. That may be something we need to look for over the Days to come.

As to the fighting between people, notably Rikae and morm, that's a pretty normal Day 1 thing and is likely to settle down. However, there is nothing to say that we don't have a particularly bold Cobbler in Rikae who is getting her known wolf (morm) into the spotlight so that all suspicion falls on him on Day 1 when a lynch is less likely to follow than in later Days.

Glad that Mac has started to 'talk' now. His first post seemed pretty normal to me but it's always nice to get some more information!

I'm going to have to vote a bit early toDay by the way. Dancing does take it out of you and I need a rest (or a trip to the panto in fact!) so my vote will come in the next couple of hours. Right now it may go to Farael, because to me he hasn't been vocal enough. I'm used to him making a point and following it til the death, something we haven't seen from him yet. But that could be because it's Day 1. If it doesn't go to him it may go to Holby because she hasn't really said anything. It's been little poems and answers to others.

Actually having just read back over the first page Farael was quite vociferous in his lynch the silent ones plan so I'm more inclined to go for Holby right now. Hopefully she'll come back and talk a bit more before I'm forced to vote.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

While true that the cobblers want to die for the wolves, it would be folly for them to attract the mob to them so soon. The wise cobbler will not be making a big song and dance on the first day; but as the game progresses expect them to become more vocal.

[Nogrod]

So many said that we should concentrate on the wolves and what are we doing here? Talking of the cobblers... :(

Don't you think it would just be the thing a cobbler would want? The cobblers may be a key to this game, but only later on, Dance 3, 4 - as has been stated quite a few times (that's why I have not seen any reason to make a grand theory about them as we had better things to discuss earlier I was online).

So just finished reading... and my sis is coming to overnight here with her boyfriend a lot earlier than was talked of so I will have only limited time toDay.

But I'll do what I can.

I mean on the wolves.

[Folwren]

Is mormegil really all that rude on a normal bases? And he wasn't overly rude. He was random, but pointed in his randomness. I have seen a few people say he is....I guess I will take their word for it and leave him be for now.

Farael disturbs me immensely. I do not care if he voted for me, but I do care that he has been saying all this time that he thinks we should lynch a silent person and then he goes after someone who talks.

Nogrod may suspect me, but I have no problem with being suspected. I am a suspectable character, am I not? (Out of character, really, seriously, I am purposefully not acting like Foley.)

Rikae's reaction to Morm's random accusation did not alarm me. I only half read it, but even so, it reminds me of something Foley would do.

I have no had much chance to really read other people's posts. Mac is random, but does not strike me as dangerous. (And he also seems to be making more sense as his posts go on. The others, Kath, Cailin, Celuien, Eomer, Lal....I have not formed any opinion on them.

Holbytlass seems to be filled with sense, even if she is supoosed to jest. She seems stable, and likely to observe before throwing out accusations right and left.

Naria made a good point about Rikae, but I can not say if I agree with it. It is too soon in the game.

Valier has posted once and helped no one in doing so.

I can not stay longer just now...I should be able to get on again before voting time.

[Cailín]

I fear I may not be able to rise again when the orchestra strikes a new tune, so I shall have to cast my vote now. Just gathering my thoughts:

Mormegil - I am undecided on him for now. I am inclined to believe he is innocent, anyway, and do not suspect him enough to vote for him.

Kath - has behaved considerably Kath-like. Kath-like can either mean wolvish or innocent. She has stayed fairly neutral and made a few obvious statements. I quite disagree with her suspicions.

Farael - the whole silence-debate made him look a little suspicious, but I tend to agree with the idea that he appears to determined to be wolvish.

Rikae - the early vote from Morm seemed to have cooled her down a little. As she was part of the debate and voiced her opinions in a strong matter, I think she is an innocent.

Nogrod - Nogrod is always a little dangerous. I do not think it means much that he has not voiced a theory concerning the Cobblers. Quite obviously, he does not want to discuss the matter. This leads me to believe that either he is a Cobbler himself or an ordo with such a brilliant strategy that he does not wish to aid the Cobblers by voicing it. I am thinking that if he were a wolf, he would be trying to advise the Cobblers indirectly. Just a personal opinion that will serve for now.

Lalwende - well, she is new to the game. I know it may sound irrational and a little lame, but it would be brutal to vote for her today. I am suspending judgement. Anyway, I do not think she is a wolf.

Kitanna - sounds innocent.

Naria - I am always a little suspicious of Naria.

Macalaure - I do not know Mac (I think), so I am unsure what to expect. However, his case against Nogrod seems rather flimsy to me. But it is the first dance and all cases will be flimsy.

Celuien - has been careful, neutral and calm. I am currently unsure about her alliance. Wolves generally display such behaviour, but my ancestors (bla-di-bla, you know the deal) well, she is often careful, neutral and calm and always innocent.

Valier - has been extremely silent and not very helpful. But this is traditional and without a Seer, Valier's instincts (if she is innocent and if indeed she still has the same marvellous intuition) may be the best we have to go on.

Eomer - *sigh*

Holbytlass - generally not very contributive, but the few points she made were sound and refreshing.

Folwren - the only one who played a leading role in the debate earlier today who I am slightly suspicious of.

++Kath

I wish I had something more solid than thoughts and feelings to base my vote on, but alas. Her posts unsettled me a little and it is true: she makes a scarily good wolf. I am mostly basing my vote on the fact that she suspects the people who I suspect the least.

[Valier]

Valier stamps her foot and pouts " Why does noone want to dance? This is a dance is it not? Morm you rude boy I was waiting ever so patiently for you to suspect and vote for me today....You didn't disappoint. I don't hold it against you....yet. I am quite frassled today and am not quite sure who is a baddie, but I will be here till the deadline and will be doing some more careful reading"

[Celuien]

Morm --> Rikae, 1
Kitanna --> Morm (Rikae 1, Morm 1)
Farael --> Folwren (Rikae 1, Morm 1, Folwren 1)
Morm X Rikae --> Valier (Morm 1, Folwren 1, Valier 1)
Cailin --> Kath (Morm 1, Folwren 1, Valier 1, Kath 1)

I'm not quite sure that I understand Morm's reasoning for thinking that Valier is a cobbler. She raised the typical points against plans that rely on clustering wolves into a particular type of category (silent vs loud) in that a wolf would switch out of the tagged group once it was identified. It's a legitmate objection to make.

Twirls lasso

Well, at this point, morm's behavior is jumping out at me the most. So...

++ Mormegil

[Lalwendë]

Hmmm, time to vote soon?

I think I have two candidates in mind. One has been flying under the radar a little too much to escape my attention (see, trying to escape attention only draws it to you). The other seems to be playing cleverly.

But I'm not saying which is which. Only Father Christmas knows that.

I shall vote for:

++Kitanna

[Macalaure]

Sorry for misunderstanding you, Celuien.
But the problem remains that the wolves don't know who will give them a cobblerish hint. I'm sure it'll be easy to misinterpret and take something an innocent said unknowingly for a cobbler hint. I'm sure the wolves' nightly debates are interesting. :D

Anyway,

I do also like the fact that Noggie has come under suspicion...it's about time I say.
What keeps you from adding more points to the case? ;)

I realized Nogrod didn't react to what I said in any way. Last time he did that, he turned out furry.

Following my rule of lynching who says least, Holbytlass, Celuien, Eomer and Naria rise on my radar. Valier didn't say a lot, too, but she never does on the first Dance. I would only vote for one of these if I have no better suspect (which I have at the moment), or when I would need to save somebody I feel innocent.

[Nogrod]

Sorry. Sis turned out even earlier I thought the last time I posted... I have read this all and have to think. For a moment. (It took a moment to tell her what I need to do with the computer while she's here... :D )

[Nogrod]

Okay, I decided to post this that I was doing before my sis came. I'll try to fill the holes and argue for any possible things afterwards...

Rikae I still find innocentish looking to her defence and activity. A wolf would not raise so much attention.

Lalwendë is reasonable. Can't compare her ways to anything as I presume no one of us can. So I'm not going for any blind actions.

Morm seems to be enjoying his rude boy character as a Dance1 feat. Nothing really exceptional there. If he's after all a good guy I would really like to have him on our side alive.

Celuien, Kitanna, Cailín, Holby: well-spoken, reasonable, calm... themselves at their best or pulling the wolf-thing very beautifully? We should look at them but at least myself will refrain from voting anyone of them after this Dance. When innocent, they are real assets.

Folwren, well un-Foleyish, but as you rightly corrected, that is no problem as you are countess Folwren now... :) *puzzled*

Macalaure's post still reads to me as a cobblerish one. I see your point on joke (I saw it then, surely), but why to make it and why to target the people you did? But I wish to be after a wolf toDay and see what Mac does alive... he's a good one when innocent and should not be lynched lightly.

Farael is more than reasonable! I would hold this the most promising thing without my lorebooks which depict him running amok after various people incessantly.

Valier the enigmatic again. She can pull the game too, and beautifully! Alongside Valier I'm most nervous about Kath and Naria. They have this tactics of being relatively quiet at least to begin with and contributing just enough to stay in so as no one wishes to vote for them... And they are all highly intelligent and tricksy if the situation requires.

[Nogrod]

As there seems to be no obvious blunders on the part of the wolves I might stick to this "who says the least" or "who plays the safest" or "who is the most dangerous if we have no clue".

That combination would produce: Kath, Valier and Naria. I do not believe we have both wolves here, but we might have one...

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

I find Nogrod's post #97 rather suspicious. He's seems sad, even adding a :( , because we are talking about cobblers despite agreeing that we shouldn't be talking about cobblers.

It's not right. My point anyway was that it would be not too useful to make cobbler-accusations today, because we have so little to go on; but I think it is wholly unreasonable for Nogrod to criticise us for discussing the role of the cobblers on a more conceptual level.

And that smilie, it's a tactic I've seen before. Subtly trying to manipulate the village and raise himself as a wise and benevolent father figure.

[Folwren]

The dance is drawing to an end. The final repetition of the song is being played. Soon, we shall be bowing to our partners and drawing away.

I have little to say. I suspect few people - Mac, Morm, and Farael. Farael because he said we should lynch a silent person the first day and then he went off and voted for me and said that later he may retract his vote and vote for a silent person. This he has not done. Understand, it is not because he voted for me that I am bothered, just that he voted for someone who did not talk very little. According to his earlier posts, I am his ideal person not to vote for this round.

What is more, he said that the reasons I gave to him in response to his first accusation made sense and yet he still doubted me because of a gut feeling.

So, for now, unless something changes in the lsat thirty minutes of time, my vote goes to

++Farael.

This is not out of spite. This is not because he voted for me. It is because I do not like what he has done over all in his dealing with me and my posts.

-- Countess Folwren

[mormegil]

Celuien, you disappoint me. Going for the easy vote.

[Nogrod]

Daddy speaking...

Sorry Eomer. I think we are after the same thing anyway. I do like to entertain theoretical matters and discuss on a general level, but when it distracts us from our real target, it's no good, but :(

:)

I might add Folwren back to my list because of her vote. How many times a wolf has tried to hide herself in a reciprocal revenge-vote? Leaves no tracks as it can be interpreted as a pay-back vote...

And I'm not going to lose my sight from Farael either, but 'cause of quite opposite reasons. He just seems too consistent and reasonable - so something he fears for and needs to put up an innocent face (now that he's no ordo)?

[Macalaure]

Having retrackies, there's no need to keep a vote til the last minutes, so here it is, though it might change easily:

++Kath

I should've had her in my 'maybe'-list of my last post. I somehow forgot her. If this makes me suspicious to anybody, so be it.

Kath is always calm, but the few things she says are usually full of useful content. This time there was not so much of it. That's why. I also have a little more faith in Nogrod again. I don't like to see morm die today, and Kath already has a vote.

[Valier]

Valier quite loses track of time spinning and frolicking to the music by herself. " Oh we need to vote. Well I agree with Folwren on this one. I think Farael putting forth so much posting about killing off the silent ones, then not heeding his own advice to be well... wrong. So unless something spectacular happens in the next 20 minutes my vote goes for..
++Farael

[Macalaure]

to keep track with things:

Morm --> Rikae, 1
Kitanna --> Morm (Rikae 1, Morm 1)
Farael --> Folwren (Rikae 1, Morm 1, Folwren 1)
Morm X Rikae --> Valier (Morm 1, Folwren 1, Valier 1)
Cailin --> Kath (Morm 1, Folwren 1, Valier 1, Kath 1)
Celuien --> Morm (Morm 2, Folwren 1, Valier 1, Kath 1)
Lal --> Kitanna (Morm 2, Folwren 1, Valier 1, Kath 1, Kitanna 1)
Folwren --> Farael (Morm 2, Folwren 1, Valier 1, Kath 1, Kitanna 1, Farael 1)
Mac --> Kath (Morm 2, Folwren 1, Valier 1, Kath 2, Kitanna 1, Farael 1)
Valier --> Farael (Morm 2, Folwren 1, Valier 1, Kath 2, Kitanna 1, Farael 2)

[Rikae]

I suppose I must vote now. I always hate Day 1 voting. *sigh*

Valier seems slippery, but increasingly, so much so that she begins to look less wolfish to me. I won't vote for Morm or Mac, though I'm watching them; I'll wait and see what develops. Cailin and Kitanna, as I said earlier, seem a bit calculated, and of the two, ++Kitanna seems more so.

[Holbytlass]

Mormegil:I don't feel at this time there is a real thing between Rikae and Mormegil, as in they are trying to distance themselves by fighting. Morm's was a real in-character banter and understandably Rikae would react having been singled out. Morm doesn't (that I recall) state why he's glad that Nogrod is under suspicion nor says if he finds Nogrod suspicios or not. I think Morm is grasping at straws when saying he is confident that Valier is a cobbler, either trying to find something substantial to go on for a first dance or trying to get us to go along with him-he did want us to trust him. As stated, not a huge fan of retracting votes even when allowed.

Cailin:Doesn't seem to want to talk about topics at hand, but after initial funfinger pointing has great points about others in her observations that deserve to be looked at. always her helpful self

Kath:Adds to the differing points that need to be looked at when talking of a strategy-in this case dealing with hiding wolves. Does bring up good point (although right now I disagree-but she's a thinker) of the possible Morm/Rikae bold bluff

Farael:Somewhat contraversial with going after quiet group. I agree and get what he's trying to say. The only thing weird is that he usually goes after someone vehemently even on first day

Rikae:seems to be her usual self, only thing I find funny (as in an interesting way) but not totally suspicious is her being mostly against the quiet group lynching but finds those who have said the least makes her nervous. Again the thing with Morm-both seem natural.

Nogrod:I don't find him particularly suspicious. good points about those who leave little trail .and his thoughts on others

Lalwende:nothing to go on here. her thoughts on others-has a good point of what cobblers might do

Kitanna:adds her opinions to main issue and some dancers, not much to discern

Naria:points out that Rikae could be pulling bold bluff move, only thing that could possibly be seen as suspicious is her extremely defensive manner

Macaulare:I don't see why people think Macs a cobbler

Celuien:her opinions of others don't seem to be off the wall other then being puzzled about Morm's checking the PM's for seership

Valier: not much to go on

Eomer:some thoughts on what a cobbler might do (what he might do?) never says why he's suspicious of Kath, Valier, Naria and Lalwendë

Folwren:I don't find her seeing Fareal's point of dealing with hiding wolves as suspicious

Suspicious
Mormegil for the confident Valier is a cobbler theory
Eomer he's smart enought to pull off a bluff of stating what he is going to do as a cobbler
Naria because of her defensive manner

[Celuien]

Morm --> Rikae, 1
Kitanna --> Morm (Rikae 1, Morm 1)
Farael --> Folwren (Rikae 1, Morm 1, Folwren 1)
Morm X Rikae --> Valier (Morm 1, Folwren 1, Valier 1)
Cailin --> Kath (Morm 1, Folwren 1, Valier 1, Kath 1)
Celuien --> Morm (Morm 2, Folwren 1, Valier 1, Kath 1)
Lal --> Kitanna (Morm 2, Folwren 1, Valier 1, Kath 1, Kitanna 1)
Folwren --> Farael (Morm 2, Folwren 1, Valier 1, Kath 1, Kitanna 1, Farael 1)
Mac --> Kath (Morm 2, Folwren 1, Valier 1, Kath 2, Kitanna 1, Farael 1)
Valier --> Farael (Morm 2, Folwren 1, Valier 1, Kath 2, Kitanna 1, Farael 2)
Rikar --> Kitanna (Morm 2, Folwren 1, Valier 1, Kath 2, Kitanna 2, Farael 2)

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Predictable scaremongering, Holby; though, of course, I am flattered. :p

Agreed Nogrod, let us just leave it for now...

I could vote for any one of you (except Cailín who, as has been established through logic and truth, is innocent). Back soon.

[Holbytlass]

++Mormegil

[Nogrod]

I wouldn't lynch morm with these allegiations...

So it will be Kath or Farael to me then as I tend to trust Kitanna right now.

[Folwren]

I might add Folwren back to my list because of her vote. How many times a wolf has tried to hide herself in a reciprocal revenge-vote? Leaves no tracks as it can be interpreted as a pay-back vote...

Sir, I have said before that my vote was not done out of revenge. Do you think I would stoop so low as to vote for another dancer's death merely to satisfy my own displeasure? How childish do you think I am? I do not fear Farael. I do not fear his vote. I do suspect him for the murder of our host and hostess, though. Out of all who have spoken enough to draw anything from, I suspect him the most. This may change. This assumption, this suspicion, may be wrong. But I will not be held accountable if it is. There is too little to go by this first day to make a very educated and cool headed decision, but am I am doing my best. And it has nothing to do with revenge.

[Macalaure]

I agree with Nogrod in this point. Let morm dance one more time.

[Nogrod]

Okay. If you others don't move, I'll do it.

++ Kath

She's the more dangerous one of them whom it will be very hard to lynch later on...

[Nogrod]

Sir, I have said before that my vote was not done out of revenge. Do you think I would stoop so low as to vote for another dancer's death merely to satisfy my own displeasure? How childish do you think I am? I do not fear Farael. I do not fear his vote.No I don't. I was just entertaining the possibility that a smart wolf would make that kind of move and thence hide her fangs within it... :)

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Avoid a double lynching. No idea if anyone else will vote.

++KATH

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Is the Barrow-Downs clock all wrong? It's 16 minutes behind on my screen.

[Folwren]

I do not think it is wise to kill Kath.

Just my opinion. No time for more.

[Celuien]

Morm --> Rikae, 1
Kitanna --> Morm (Rikae 1, Morm 1)
Farael --> Folwren (Rikae 1, Morm 1, Folwren 1)
Morm X Rikae --> Valier (Morm 1, Folwren 1, Valier 1)
Cailin --> Kath (Morm 1, Folwren 1, Valier 1, Kath 1)
Celuien --> Morm (Morm 2, Folwren 1, Valier 1, Kath 1)
Lal --> Kitanna (Morm 2, Folwren 1, Valier 1, Kath 1, Kitanna 1)
Folwren --> Farael (Morm 2, Folwren 1, Valier 1, Kath 1, Kitanna 1, Farael 1)
Mac --> Kath (Morm 2, Folwren 1, Valier 1, Kath 2, Kitanna 1, Farael 1)
Valier --> Farael (Morm 2, Folwren 1, Valier 1, Kath 2, Kitanna 1, Farael 2)
Rikae --> Kitanna (Morm 2, Folwren 1, Valier 1, Kath 2, Kitanna 2, Farael 2)
Holby --> Morm (Morm 3, Folwren 1, Valier 1, Kath 2, Kitanna 2, Farael 2)
Nogrod --> Kath (Morm 3, Folwren 1, Valier 1, Kath 3, Kitanna 2, Farael 2)

Eomer and Naria left to vote...

[Celuien]

And I crossed posted with Eomer.

Yes, the clock is off. This is one minute before the deadline according to my computer.

[Naria]

*rushes in*

I'll vote for

++Rikae for above mentioned reasons

[Durelin]

The Spirit speaks: It is wrong. I am going by my clock, though, and so the day ends in 6 minutes. (Technically by my clock it's 2:00 in 1 minute, but I leave a 5 minute window from there because every person and clock is different!)

...

About five minutes now.

[Durelin]

Oh...yeah...

Dance (Day) 1 has ended.

Yeah.

Good thing you guys finally made up your minds... :p

Oh...yeah...

Which means...

Rest (Night) 2 has begun.

Everyone stay quiet here. Werewolves, start chatting. Send me a kill before the Night is over.

[Durelin]

Oh, and uh, for those of you who are too lazy to count,

Kath hath been lynchéd!

And for those of you sitting on the edge of your seats,

She be Innocent.

[Durelin]

What had started off as a slow waltz turned into a quick step even the Rude Boy's rude sense of rhythm couldn't keep up with (more quick-quick-quick than slow-quick-quick), as the band moved to 2/4 time, matching the fervor that filled the ballroom.

One by one, at least half the people in the room felt like their backs were against the wall, the others closing in around them... But then they could let out a sigh of relief as someone pointed out another perfect lynchee, and the priorly accused could turn on them with the rest.

The mob mentality ate its way through the dancers, until finally, Eomer and Nogrod each took a hold of one of Kath's wings.

"What are you doing?" she asked them, attempting to break free with a small flutter.

"I don't want to see mormegil lynched for...whatever it is that makes him wolfish." Nogrod was sad, but seemed prepared to stand by his words. He had a feel about him that reminded Kath of a father dealing out a punishment to a beloved child. She rolled her eyes.

"So you'd simply rather see me die than him?"

Nogrod didn't have a chance to respond before Eomer spoke up.

"And I don't want to see two people die. Enough blood has been spilt." The Prince of Wargs, despite his fearsome appearance, was perhaps a softer sort of guy on the inside.

"We need to start getting rid of these wolves before they kill us all!" Cailín cried.

"Yes, let's kill someone!" Macalaure mimed using a stabbing motion.

"Yeah!" was the roar of the mob.

The Robin nervously drove the first spike in, followed by the mime who slammed it in with more glee, then the Choir-boy forced the third in as nicely as possible, and lastly the Warg, taking the greatest care to make sure the fourth was well in place.

Kath was securely pinned to the wall, four metal spikes through her wings holding her up above the ground. And no matter how hard she wriggled, she could not pull them free. Or perhaps she simply did not want to rip her wings. Regardless, she did not seem at all surprised when mormegil appeared, pushing his way through the dancers that surrounded her. The candlelight glinted off of something in his hand.

The Rude Boy kept his eyes down and his shades on as he ran the fifth spike into the Butterfly's heart.

The scream had scarcely ended when a third light appeared in the suspended candelabrum.

Everyone’s eyes having been on the chandelier for a moment, gasps ran through the hall as they turned them back to the body of Kath, which hung unchanged.

Two words were written under the dead Wight, in her own blood:

Acronicta innocens


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The Dead Dead

Durelin (Mod and Hostess) – Ghostbusted on Rest (Night) the First
CaptainofDespair (Co-mod and Host) – Ghostbusted on Rest (Night) the First
Kath (Ordinary Villager) – Pinned and Labeled by the Mob on Dance (Day) the First


The Living Dead

mormegil as a (Kewl-Shades) Rude Boy
Farael as a Fair-looking Orc
Rikae as an Entwife
Nogrod as a Nice Choirboy
Lalwendë as a (Mischievous Little) Christmas Elf
Kitanna as a Rejected Band Member wearing a bag with eyeholes
Naria as a Spoiled Heiress wearing a Venetian half mask
Macalaure as a Mime
Celuien as a Cowgirl
Valier as a Flighty Young Woman wearing an exotic colourful bird mask
Eomer of the Rohirrim as Vorgram, Ancient Prince of Wargs
Cailín as a Robin
Holbytlass as a Court Jester
Folwren as an Elegant, Cold, Stoic, Mysterious Countess


The eyes of the dead are closed gently; we also have to open gently the eyes of the living” ~ Jean Cocteau


And now, my guests, you must endure the silence of the Second Rest...

[Durelin]

All was silent, as the guests pondered the evils within them, each blaming themselves for Kath’s death, a heavy guilt on their hearts. All ten, anyway. Four felt no guilt, no regret. This ball was going well for them, and they could sit back and laugh silently while putting on their best frowny-faces. Luckily for them, the masks helped in keeping their true selves a secret.

There was a SLAM that echoed through the hall, but a rushed “sorry” from one of the musicians made everyone quickly forget they had heard anything. Everyone’s minds felt they had enough explanation for it, and they were too preoccupied with other concerns to really pay much more attention to strange noises.

mormegil stood quietly in the corner, wiping off the blood from the spike he had removed from Kath’s chest.

Farael had stopped showing off the blinding whiteness of his teeth, and Eomer was careful not to bear his fangs in smile or sneer.

Celuien was rounding up Valier and Cailín to keep them from flying off.

Holbytlass was muttering about how juggling without anything to juggle was a mockery of a refined art while she bitterly watched Macalaure flicking his wrists and throwing air around.

Nogrod was professing his guilt to Folwren, who answered him periodically with “you’re wasting your time.”

Naria was falling asleep listening to Rikae talk.

No one really noticed that Kitanna was missing. Not until the band was all prepared to start playing again.

The music started, but they had made it through only about three measures before all the musicians stopped playing their instruments, leaving the harpsichordist (no party is complete without one, for everyone knows the dead have this thing for harpsichords) tapping at various keys and wondering why, instead of sharp, crystalline notes, hitting a key resulted in a squelch.

“Stop playing, man!” a flautist screamed at him.

No one else could find their voices as a deep red slowly oozed forth from underneath the lid.

“I’m not opening that.”

Eomer swallowed, rolled up his sleeves, and took a few steps forward. Most admired his bravery, some watched him with amusement and anticipation in their eyes. But before he reached the instrument, he heard a soft crunch beneath one of his feet. He looked down to see brown paper shreds. One bloodied eyehole stared up at him.

No one needed to see any more. A fourth light had joined the other three above their heads, and they all knew it as the last of Kitanna.

The harpsichordist plucked a (written) note from atop his instrument.



“In the end of time
There was a man who knew the road
And the writing, was written on the stone
In the ancient time
An artist led the way
But no one, seemed to understand
In his heart he knew
The artist must be true
But the legend, of the rent was way past due
Well you think you'll be just fine...without me, but your mine!
You think you can, kick me out of the band
Well there's just one problem there
The band is mine
How can you kick me out...of what is mine
You’re not hardcore
Unless you live hardcore”*

We live hardcore.
You die hardcore.
~The Barrow-Wolves


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The Dead Dead

Durelin (Mod and Hostess) – Ghostbusted on Rest (Night) the First
CaptainofDespair (Co-mod and Host) – Ghostbusted on Rest (Night) the First
Kath (Ordinary Villager) – Pinned and Labeled by the Mob on Dance (Day) the First
Kitanna (Ordinary Villager) – Minced, Placed in the Band, and Hardcore Harpsichorded on Rest (Night) the Second


The Living Dead

mormegil as a (Kewl-Shades) Rude Boy
Farael as a Fair-looking Orc
Rikae as an Entwife
Nogrod as a Nice Choirboy
Lalwendë as a (Mischievous Little) Christmas Elf
Naria as a Spoiled Heiress wearing a Venetian half mask
Macalaure as a Mime
Celuien as a Cowgirl
Valier as a Flighty Young Woman wearing an exotic colourful bird mask
Eomer of the Rohirrim as Vorgram, Ancient Prince of Wargs
Cailín as a Robin
Holbytlass as a Court Jester
Folwren as an Elegant, Cold, Stoic, Mysterious Countess


“If you believe in forever
Then life is just a one-night stand
If there's a rock and roll heaven
Well you know they've got a hell of a band…”
~The Righteous Brothers, Rock and Roll Heaven


Dance (Day) 2 has now begun. Werewolves stop PMing. Everyone start talking.


*from School of Rock, “The Legend of the Rent”

[Durelin]

Here is mormegil's vote:

++Celuien

He is also suspicious of Valier.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Sorry for sealing your doom Kath but I felt the need to vote for either you or Morm.

Plenty of villagers for the wolves to pick from. Why Kitanna? She made a few posts yesterday and they were clear and sensible. She suspected Rikae and Morm and then voted for Morm.

Because we have no Seer and so little to go on, I highly doubt that the wolves would be willing to pull off such a risky bluff so early. For that reason, I am inclined to believe both Rikae and Mormegil innocent (of being wolves anyway).

[Celuien]

Why, how rude, Rude Boy. I challenge you to a roping contest! :p :cool:

Kitanna ...

#49 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=502388&postcount=49) - commentary on the lynch the silents plan. Thinks it would be better to look at moderates on day 1 and that looking at silents is better for day 2.

#59 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=502400&postcount=59) - has conflicting ideas about Rikae in light of the lynch the silents plan. Says that Rikae's being loud about pointing out quiet players after Farael's suggestion could be suspicious, but since she doesn't know Rikae's style, she's "torn between thinking you an innocent trying to move the game along or a bumbling wolf that is trying to stay away from the quiet area due to Farael's idea of lynching them."

#62 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=502403&postcount=62) - conflicted about Morm and his declaration of Eomer's innocence. Finds him hard to pin down.

#74 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=502440&postcount=74) - thought Mac's first post was normal in response to a suggestion of cobblerishness from Farael, but that a later post from Mac was more suspicious.

#78 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=502451&postcount=78) Casts a mostly random, partly old history of not trusting him, vote for Mormegil.

She earned two votes, one from Lalwende and one from Rikae.

Not much of a trail to follow at all, which I think is probably why the wolves picked her.

[Valier]

Hmmm Kitanna got killed. Now that makes me think...Ok so why would the wolves pick Kitanna. Well the first day kill is usually one made well sort of in spite, the wolves can kill pretty much anyone they want the first day and have it not really point to anyone and if it does that could just be a way for them to desguise themselves as innocent. Or else they thought Kitanna an easy kill that would point to noone...OR they knew that it would make Rikae and Lal look guilty, seeing as they voted for her. So either the wolves are crafty and don't care if the first day voting points to them (ie. Rikae and/or Lal) Or they just killed Kitanna as an easy kill as I stated earlier. So I would like to hear more from Lal and Rikae today, so we can grasp somesort of an idea of what the wolves were up to.

Now yes I will comment on Morm's not here vote and suspision of me....Let me just say Morm ALWAYS suspects me the first few days....Not to say that sometimes he isn't right, but this time he has no good evidence at all to point to my wolvishness, and I assure you I am innocent and just here to help catch us some crafty werewolves.

[Lalwendë]

Is mormegil's tale of going to the footy a smokescreen or not? Or am I getting paranoid in my old age? ;)

Now Kitanna seemed to be playing very clever to me, a bit too incisive. That brought up my attention. Alas, I think a wolf was taking advantage of my novice status by picking on my vote as someone appropriate to kill - hoping that then attention would be driven towards moi as a wolf!

I am, however, going to begin the second dance with a fresh look at things, seeing as I got it so wrong last time.

[Cailín]

Hmm, I am not very surprised by Kitanna's death, despite the fact that she got voted for twice. She was overall considered to be innocent and left a very small trail.

Would Wolf-Rikae or Wolf-Mormegil pull a bluff like this? Nah, I do not think they really would have seen the need.

Furthermore, I am even more inclined to believe in Morm's innocence because of his early vote. A wolf would more readily grasp the excuse of absense to not vote at all, I should think. He seems quite convinced of Celuien's guilt, which is interesting. Even though Celuien's posts were careful yesterday, I did not consider her vote for Mormegil very blatantly furry.

I will have to review yesterday's posts again before I name any suspects.

[Farael]

Hmm, I am not very surprised by Kitanna's death, despite the fact that she got voted for twice. She was overall considered to be innocent and left a very small trail.
My bolding, and this is just an example reflecting other comments said earlier on this game.

Does anyone else see the merit of my plan already? Why am I not dead? why isn't Nogrod, or Rikae, or even Folwren or Holbtlass or Celuien dead? What do we all have that Kitanna did not?

Yes, we were loud and noisy, and thus, likely to leave some sort of a trail. What have we said about Kitanna so far?

"Well, she pretty much leaves no trail, it could be a bold bluff, it could be an even bolder double bluff or it could be no bluff at all and the wolves just chose someone who would lead us nowhere"

I must say that I was the first to "abandon ship" and go against my own counsel, but it was too early to decide who was "silent". What would you have me do? vote for someone like Celuien, who became progressively more active as I went away? Since it was too early to make a judgement on the relative "silence" of every player, I was left with the more "regular" day 1 hunches.

Yet Today, not only I will probably be around for the end of the day (and thus, able to see who's been talking and who's not) but we'll also have two days worth of "history" to judge who's lurking in the shadows and who's dancing in the spotlight.

Unless anyone else has any sudden insight or theory on the identity of a wolf, I say we lynch ourselves a silent one.

A few questions that are running through my mind as I write this post.

Valier has posted, but has she said anything?
Is Naria playing this game or am I confused with another one?
Does Lawlende fool anyone with her "I'm a rookie werewolfer" claims? I believe she's smarter than what she lets on... much smarter.

Not that being smart means being a wolf, for all I know she might be a crafty ordo trying to avoid being killed during the breaks, but I'm just asking....

[Cailín]

Well, there is one obvious flaw in this plan. It makes things a lot easier for the two wolves, especially if they are notorious loudmouths themselves. They can just continue voting for the silent ones, if this becomes the generally accepted idea: silent ones who leave no trails at all once they are death and proven innocent because they voiced none of their opinions.

It is no good planning who to lynch or even what type of player to lynch. It will just make things easier for the evil creatures. Of course, there is about a 50/50 chance that there indeed is a wolf among the silent ones, but there might as well not be and then where will this plan lead us?

If there are absolutely no other options, only then it might be a good idea to lynch the ambiguous. But when I find wolvish behaviour in someone, that person will get my vote, regardless of quantity of posting.

It is nonetheless good to stimulate people to 'leave trails' as much as possible. It can be a lifesaver.

[Lalwendë]

Does Lawlende fool anyone with her "I'm a rookie werewolfer" claims? I believe she's smarter than what she lets on... much smarter.

Not that being smart means being a wolf, for all I know she might be a crafty ordo trying to avoid being killed during the breaks, but I'm just asking....

All I can say on that one is that I've got vibes this time around. Santa's little naughty/nice elf has her antenna tuned in right now...

[Macalaure]

I agree that Kitanna is most probably a safe kill.

Poor Kit. Lynched on the first day already again... :(
How very unfair! :p

I think I will have a look at the votes now, especially the throw-aways. Since there are multiple lynchings, it is probably in the interest of the wolves to spread the votes - even more than it is usually.

Here's the tally:

Morm --> Rikae, 1
Kitanna --> Morm (Rikae 1, Morm 1)
Farael --> Folwren (Rikae 1, Morm 1, Folwren 1)
Morm X Rikae --> Valier (Morm 1, Folwren 1, Valier 1)
Cailin --> Kath (Morm 1, Folwren 1, Valier 1, Kath 1)
Celuien --> Morm (Morm 2, Folwren 1, Valier 1, Kath 1)
Lal --> Kitanna (Morm 2, Folwren 1, Valier 1, Kath 1, Kitanna 1)
Folwren --> Farael (Morm 2, Folwren 1, Valier 1, Kath 1, Kitanna 1, Farael 1)
Mac --> Kath (Morm 2, Folwren 1, Valier 1, Kath 2, Kitanna 1, Farael 1)
Valier --> Farael (Morm 2, Folwren 1, Valier 1, Kath 2, Kitanna 1, Farael 2)
Rikae --> Kitanna (Morm 2, Folwren 1, Valier 1, Kath 2, Kitanna 2, Farael 2)
Holby --> Morm (Morm 3, Folwren 1, Valier 1, Kath 2, Kitanna 2, Farael 2)
Nogrod --> Kath (Morm 3, Folwren 1, Valier 1, Kath 3, Kitanna 2, Farael 2)
Eomer --> Kath (Morm 3, Folwren 1, Valier 1, Kath 4, Kitanna 2, Farael 2)
Naria --> Rikae (Morm 3, Folwren 1, Valier 1, Kath 4, Kitanna 2, Farael 2, Rikae 1)

Kitanna and Kath are dead. Kath did not vote.
Most suspicious of these are to me:

Cailin - adds Kath as fourth name to the list. Her reasoning is well, but not too convincing.
Lalwende - adds fifth name. Not exactly a well-reasoned vote. This actually makes me feel confident about her. Wouldn't a new player, if a wolf, be more concerned about the appearance of the vote?
Folwren - the sixth name. Why does she not vote morm? You simply don't put a sixth name to the list if your other top suspect is already on the block. Very suspicious.
Valier - ties Farael with morm and Kath. A bit suspicious, but I will leave it there - today.
Rikae - votes for known innocent and ties Kitanna with three others. Suspicious.
Naria - throws vote away late. Voting morm would be too obvious if she is wolvish. Voting Kath would've destroyed the chance of a double lynching (if Kath would have appeared in the last moment). I hope we get her reasons for her vote today and I hope it will be more than "I was in a hurry and couldn't read up and figure out the situation" ;)

According to this, Folwren is highly suspicious, Valier, Rikae and Naria somewhat, Cailín slightly.
I'm also getting strange vibes from two others, but I will wait what today will bring.


Something else:Yes, we were loud and noisy, and thus, likely to leave some sort of a trail.Not necessarily. In fact, loud villagers who are off the trail, which most people are on Dance1, are a gift to the wolves.

[Naria]

Is Naria playing this game or am I confused with another one?

Umm, I know that Orc's are a little slow Farael or maybe you just missed the memo :rolleyes:. At any rate I posted with what time was given to me during Dance1. Hope that makes your waters a little less murky :p

Mac, Yes I read through everything and yes I knew the situation. Simply put, I voted for her out of spite.

As of right now, I don't have any firm judgements. I am hoping that this will change as Dance2 tangos on.

[Naria]

*puts a rose between her teeth* Tango anyone?! :D

[Farael]

Wow, i come back here after a long absence and I find only two posts... I should consider it a blessing, since I don't have to do a lot of catch-up, but then I'm trying to put in place a plan that'll only work if we all talk plenty.

I still stand by my plan. What most of you don't seem to grasp is that we could have this plan in place, and yet not vote for one "silent" person. If we are lucky, everyone will talk enough so that we can get a feel for them, and thus we won't lynch anyone based on silence alone. Yet, unless any of you has a "feel" on day 2 for a specific person, I say, let's lynch the "unfeelables" (aka, those that we won't get a feel for as they won't talk) now that it's too soon to have a good feel for anyone anyway!!!

That's the merit of my plan... I don't want to sound as a doom's day theorist, but we'll all regret it by the end of this game, when we start wondering whether Naria is silent because she's afraid of revealing something she should not if she talks more.

And is a misguided Ordo worse than a silent one? If the wolves start killing those that are off the trail hoping to lead us away from their scent, that'll leave only the ordos that are on the trail. If the wolves start killing the ones that are on the trail, then we'll notice it and follow their lead to victory!

And since only two names out of fourteen (at this point in time) are "on the trail", we can (by the use of logic and deduction) figure out after a few days any patterns that might be emerging. There are twelve "off the trail" names and two "on the trail". Thus, by following my plan, we force the wolves to play our game and start eliminating people that will leave a trail, whether by following their accusations directly, or by opposition

By letting the silents leave, we allow the wolves to kill those that leave no trail.

I might be becoming over-protective of my idea, but the more I think of it, the more I start suspecting those of you that oppose it!

[Farael]

*puts a rose between her teeth* Tango anyone?! :D
Of course, that is the dance of my land. No, not Mordor, I mean Argentina!

I cross-posted with you by the way...

[Naria]

Naria is silent because she's afraid of revealing something she should not if she talks more.

Ah, don't you worry about lil ol me. The only thing I'm afraid of revealing is my bloomers while I spin around the floor :eek: . It just takes me a little longer than some to get a 'feel' for people and there is usually something in someone's post that will pop out at me and so far there hasn't been anything. I will however, go back and re-read what has been said....maybe I've missed something.

Farael, I understand your plan and it could maybe? possibly? work. What I don't understand is why you are so pushy for it. Pretty much every post you've made is about this plan of yours. And then you go on to say that you are becoming suspicious of the people that disagree with it. Why so pushy? Why suspicious of the disagree'rs?

[Farael]

Why so pushy?

Simple, because I'm quite convinced that it's pure genious! As far as I known, the villagers (or dancers in this case) are always content on playing into the wolves' hand and let them call the shots, while the villagers wait for a lucky break from the Seer or the Ranger.

What I'm proposing is the exact opposite. Let's take things into our own hands, define the playing field and force them to adapt. That way we'll force them into revealing their hand and ultimately their identities.

[Celuien]

And then you go on to say that you are becoming suspicious of the people that disagree with it. Why so pushy? Why suspicious of the disagree'rs?
Thinking about Farael's family tree, it seems to be a hereditary trait...

If anything, I think Kitanna's death puts Lal in the innocent category. If Lal's vote yesterday has any relationship to Kitanna's death, it's more likely an clumsy framing attempt than evidence against Lal.

Valier seems a little bit jumpy in response to being Morm's secondary suspect. That may bear watching.

I think it will take another review for me to come up with anything else...

[Rikae]

I wonder whether the killing of Kitanna might not be intended to direct suspicion towards Lal, Morm and/or me. I realise it isn't having that effect, but a wolf might have hoped it would; and furthermore, Morm and I both expressed suspicion toward Valier, whocomes along today claiming the first kill is usually "out of spite" (implying Morm) and saying she wants to hear more from Lal and myself today to find out what the wolves were up to. I also don't particularly like this whole proclaiming her own innocence business - but my instincts seem to be off today, so I may be completely off base here. Just a thought.
As for lynching the quiet ones, Farael, whom do you suggest? You mentioned Naria; is she the one you want lynched today? You push this idea so doggedly, you seem not to concern yourself with the conversation that actually is going on. It almost looks like a cobblerish plan, either to protect a vocal wolf or, by turning other players off the idea with your over-enthusiasm, protect a quiet wolf.

EDIT: Crossed with last four posts.

[Farael]

Well, Naria has spoken up a bit since, if she keeps this up she'll be safe from the "silent" category (but by no means necessarily innocent).

For now, Valier has posted little and said little in her few posts, so she'd be a ripe candidate for lynching. Furthermore, as some have brought up, she has acted somewhat suspiciously, so it might be a win-win situation.

If you want any other names, You'll have to wait until the end of the day, since for now a handful of us have spoken today.

And if you've read my arguments at all, you'd notice that what I want is a loud-speaking wolf... that's a blessing for us, since the more they talk, the more likely it is that we'll find something to pick up on and nail them. And how would I protect a quiet wolf, if I'm adamantly trying to lynch the quiet ones?

[Farael]

We're playing without editing, but I made a grammar error on my previous post.... where it says "For now a handful" It's supposed to be ONLY a handful.... I know, no big deal, but just in case you are finding it confusing to read.

[Folwren]

I do not have very long, and I am a woman of few words, but, with what little time I have, and with what few posts I scanned, this is all I have to say.

Farael, what plan do you still stand by? Lynching a quiet one? Why didn't you lynch a quiet one yesterday? Kath talked an average amount, didn't she? I talked more than the average player in this game and you voted for me. Why didn't you go after one of your quiet ones?

Mac, I didn't vote for Morm because at the moment, I was more suspicious of Farael and Farael still seems more dangerous to me. Do you mind? I am inclined to believe Morm is a cobbler rather than a wolf, if he is anything, and I am also inclined to believe that Farael is a wolf rather than a cobbler, if he is anything.

As of now, I have no comments to make on Kitanna's death. I am sorry for it, of course, but it is a safe kill for the wolves and I think there is little else to be said for it.

I have not read today's posts carefully enough to comment more. Expect me to come back in roughly 12 hours to begin reading carefully and excpet an actual post from me in about 13 hours. This evening, for the next hour, I will be flitting in and out of the room, reading if anyone posts, but probably not commenting.

-- Countess Folwren

[Celuien]

And how would I protect a quiet wolf, if I'm adamantly trying to lynch the quiet ones?

I suppose Rikae was arguing that you could be using a reverse psychology tactic and annoying everyone into annoying you by not lynching silent players to protect a quiet wolf. A complicated and confusing bluff. I think that's too complicated and confusing to be a plan that would be risked by anyone trying to protect the quiet.

Keeping everyone talking definitely has merit, and I'd agree that it helps to force the wolves into picking someone who has left more clues to follow. I rely heavily on trying to trace back the wolf picks to come up with my theories, and if too many are without trails, I'm completely lost.

Besides, every loud wolvish word has the potential to be a slipped wolvish word. And that helps too.

On the other hand, I'd still prefer to vote on suspicion over participation.

[Celuien]

Crossed with Folwren. Nothing more to add.

[Rikae]

What I mean is, a cobbler-Farael may be trying, rather blatently, to distract us from a non-quiet wolf; or, in a sublter but riskier plan, getting us all to argue against a seemingly outrageous plan and therefore overlook a quiet wolf.
Either way, Farael may be up to something.
For now, Valier has posted little and said little in her few posts, so she'd be a ripe candidate for lynching. Furthermore, as some have brought up, she has acted somewhat suspiciously, so it might be a win-win situation.The other person I mentioned. Hmm.. a little too convenient?
And if you've read my arguments at all, you'd notice that what I want is a loud-speaking wolf... that's a blessing for us, since the more they talk, the more likely it is that we'll find something to pick up on and nail them.But you don't seem interested in actually looking for a wolf among those who are talking, ie, most of us.
And how would I protect a quiet wolf, if I'm adamantly trying to lynch the quiet ones?Maybe you knew such a plan would be distasteful to most, and would get everyone else defending the quiet ones, rather than suspecting them.

I'm sorry if this all comes off as interrogation; I'm not seriously suspecting you or anyone else at the moment, just tossing thoughts around.

EDIT: Crossed with Folwren and Celuien

[Celuien]

Well, actually, I do have something to add. As posted on the village notice board, I'll be away for the final hours of the day, so my vote will come a little early - about 7 hours from now. I'll be back around then with the vote and hopefully with a few more comments.

[Farael]

This would be comical if it wasn't our "lives" that are on the line.

To answer to Folwren I already said that at the time I voted for you, it was too early in the day and thus too early to know who was quiet and who wasn't.

To answer Rikae, only a fool would vote for a silent person if there is a better choice... but can you offer any better choices? Pick me for all I care, and then let's let this village fall into silence, and voting hour turn into a random challenge where you vote for the one you like the least and pray that it also happens to be a wolf.

What I am proposing is not to lynch the silent ones all throughout the game, but to lynch them now when there are no better leads! Do you have a better lead? Be my guest, follow it, even if it means you arguing that I'm a wolf (and I guarantee you, I'm not).

But, Until we have some more solid evidence to work on, why not get rid of those that'll come back to haunt us later?

When there is one wolf left among two "talkers" and two "silent ones", what will you do? Lynch at talker and there'll be no discussion on the last (and most important) Day. Lynch a silent one and the last thing you hear may be a loud laugh, while the loud wolf kills you that night and then manipulates his way into a victory the day after.

Let's take that facet of the game while there is time! By ridding ourselves of the silent ones early on, we both bid our time and colect evidence so that later on the game we have something to work on!

Look, my plan is a "long-term" solution... sure, at first we might err, but the longer the game goes on, the harder it becomes for a wolf in the spotlight not to trip over his/her own tounge. That's where we capitalize in our loud-mouthed smarts and kill them!!

[Farael]

And I wanted to add.... I do not propose lynching the "most silent villager" every day and so pray that at some point we'll get the wolves.

My plan is "lynch the silent villagers while there are no better leads". And honestly, so far I haven't found anything that points me towards a likely wolf, or a likely cobbler for that matter.

[Valier]

Farael your plan to me seems to have little merit. I don't consider myself to be a quiet villager, I just need time to adjust to the game and get a feel for people. This is how I have always played. Your plan includes who? me? Am I your only suspect? And why? Because I am slightly quiet and because Other people suspect me. What if you are wrong and you kill all us "silent" ones and we turn out to be Ordos, then you lose out on our help later on. Also your plan does not include the Cobblers, which I think it should. A Cobblers job is to be loud and confusing and would most certainly set up a plan to get as many innocent villagers killed as they can. Your planning and scheming seem pretty fishy to me.

[Valier]

I cross posted with Farael and just wanted to say, why do you think there is no leads? I am sure someone can come up with something better than just a random vote for a silent villager. If we keep up with your little plan Farael we shall all find ourselves in a great deal of hurt when there are less and less Ordos around.
Why are you looking for things in your own posts that would point to Cobblerism or Wolvism. You say And honestly, so far I haven't found anything that points me towards a likely wolf, or a likely cobbler for that matter. Why were you looking at your own posts, trying to recheck everything to make sure you look good? Like I said....seems fishy.

[Valier]

Ooops triple posting...Sorry my bad, I read your post wrong farael and since there is no editing I post this. I see now you were saying you see nothing that points you in the direction of a wolf or cobbler, not that nothing points to you being a wolf or cobbler.

[Naria]

Ok, so far toDance we have talked exclusively about Farael's 'plan'. This does not sit well with me at all. Yes discussion is good and really no one else has come up with anything else. Farael I'm not saying that we trash your plan altogether, but we should be coming up with at least one more to toy around with.

*sigh*My father is going to roll over in his grave. I am going to attempt to do something that hasn't been passed down to me. I will go back through Dance1 and the voting and try to come up with an idea or theory of my own. However, said post may not come right away; for I am getting sleepy and will retire soon.

[Lalwendë]

I wonder whether the killing of Kitanna might not be intended to direct suspicion towards Lal, Morm and/or me. I realise it isn't having that effect, but a wolf might have hoped it would; and furthermore, Morm and I both expressed suspicion toward Valier, whocomes along today claiming the first kill is usually "out of spite" (implying Morm) and saying she wants to hear more from Lal and myself today to find out what the wolves were up to. I also don't particularly like this whole proclaiming her own innocence business - but my instincts seem to be off today, so I may be completely off base here. Just a thought.


I agree with this, Rikae! In fact I'd go so far as to venture you may have stumbled upon a tactic or a bit of strategy from someone!
:eek:

Few words because it's only 7.40 am here and I ahven't woke up yet...

[Cailín]

Farael, no matter the merits of your plan, and there are some, I grant you, you are putting too much emphasis on it and this detracts from actual discussion of suspicious behaviour. Also, your plan depends on wolves actually slipping up and us being able to spot their mistakes. Especially the latter is far from certain. But I am going to let the topic rest now.

Lalwendë's latest post got all my sensors ringing and if she were not a rookie, I would be highly suspicious of her by now. The talking around and refusing to mention suspects is really a bit dodgy. I would really like to see more from her.

Mac, I didn't vote for Morm because at the moment, I was more suspicious of Farael and Farael still seems more dangerous to me. Do you mind? I am inclined to believe Morm is a cobbler rather than a wolf, if he is anything, and I am also inclined to believe that Farael is a wolf rather than a cobbler, if he is anything.

Can you explain why, for my feelings are quite the reverse. Farael may be a cobbler - if anything. His plan is now the focus of discussion instead of the wolves and this is more cobbler-ish behaviour than anything. I am more inclined still to consider him innocent, but yes. Mormegil is more possibly a wolf than a cobbler, I should think. His determined vote and clear message would lull our suspicions of him. I think a Cobbler who knows the identity of only one wolf would not have so certain a suspect, if this makes any sense at all. However, neither are very likely to receive my vote today.

So then, who will? I have to leave soon and will not return before the deadline, I'm afraid. Aside from Lalwendë, and only taking into account those who have posted so far today, I am uncertain about Valier, about Rikae, about Celuien and about Folwren.

Valier because of her early defense against Mormegil's reported suspicion, that was really no more than suspicion. She does not offer any real insights and just picks up on Farael's plan as an attack on her. I realise Valier usually acts like this, but I would have thought to see some names from her by now.

Rikae seems to make sense in general and her link to Kitanna, as was pointed out various times, makes her appear quite innocent. However, it does not sit right with me that she continues to point out Kitanna's death might be a clumsy attempt to frame her and others. She may be right, though, and she uses this to build a case against Valier. Out of my uncertains, she is the least likely to get my vote.

Celuien I find a lot more accessible today, if that makes any sense at all. I agree with most of her statements. The reason that she is on this list is mainly because of Mormegil's premature vote for her. Since I am inclined to believe in Morm's innocence (for now), I wonder what convinced him - though I seem to recall Mormegil's ancestors always to be easily convinced of someone's guilt. Also, Celuien seems to be playing a clever game. But that is like her, as I said before.

Folwren is here because she made the - in my eyes - most suspicious vote yesterday. She added a sixth name to the list, refusing to make a clear decision. Farael had also made himself a little suspicious, anyway, with his insistence on lynching the quiet folk and the vote seems therefore rather easy. I agree with most of her sentiments today, however.

It is never easy to cast a vote so early on in the day and I still feel I have little to go on.

++ Valier

In voting for her I seem to go along with Farael's plan, but aside from her being a reputed quiet one, she is really the most suspicious to me at the moment.

Lalwendë (whom I really do believe is a lot sharper than she lets on) and Folwren are my secondary suspects, Rikae and Celuien are a little behind those. Nogrod and Holbytlass have not yet posted today, but based on last dance's events I have no reason to suspect them of wolvishness.

[Farael]

Well, it's been dead quiet today... specially when compared with yesterday (sorry, I'm still not used to the "dance" terminology... todance and yesterdance?)

Anyway, it's 3 30 AM over here and I have to go to bed. I will probably be around tomorrow close to the deadline, but it's not certain that I'll be here, and since we have retractable votes anyway I will cast a vote now. I am split between Valier and Mormegil. The former based on relative silence (although she has spoken up since... but then, it was a triple-post pretty much answering my accusations) and some lack of content in the posts she does get up. The latter is a bit harder to put my finger on, but it is a mix of things. First of all, on Dance 1 he said little. At first I thought his "attack" on Rikae was a stroke of genious, but he followed his act with what... one more "extensive" post and two short, rather useless ones. This makes me think two things. First of all, he's playing it safe. Second, he's posting, so that his name is in the back of our minds and we don't consider him to be silent... just perhaps not too helpful.

Of course, Morm is not around today because of RL issues, but then, does that mean that he is an ordo? I remember this one time long ago, a villager called Malkatoj who had a very busy Real Life schedule... but still had time to be a werewolf at night.

The doubt on where Morm stands will not go away until either he's dead or he's killed us all... so I say, let's get rid of a dangerous Silent (yes Folwren, my plan and not because of Dance 2 but rather Dance 1) dancer. And Rude on top of that.

++Mormegil

I hope to be around tomorrow before the deadline to change my vote if anything happens, but if not, I wish you all a good hunt in the last few paces of this dance!!

[Nogrod]

Sorry for the late entry.

I agree that Kitanna's death was primarily a safe kill which also took out a good player. I mean that even though she gathered two votes the main feel among us seemed to be that of a beginning trust. That's many times a vital reason for a wolf kill: to get done with anyone who seems to be trusted somewhat.

But the voting does merit another look.

And then I'm trying to look at some people more closely. At least Valier's last posts have made me wonder about her a bit.

[Nogrod]

Double posting, then...

So here are the votes and the reasons given for them in the order they were made. I hope have represented the reasons about correctly.

Morm on Rikae because of floodposting.

Kit on Morm pretty random, not trusting Morm, wishing to vote anyhow.

Farael on Folwren by feeling there being something wrong (suspecting Rikae too).

Morm changing to Valier “the cobbler” because of the resentment mood (also wary of Celuien).

Cailín on Kath for being scarily good wolf and for suspecting those she herself does not.

Celuien on Morm because his behaviour is jumping out the most.

Lal on Kitanna for either flying under radar or playing cleverly.

Folwren on Farael because he voted her after hammering all the time the "kill the silent" -theory.

Mac for Kath because of an unusual lack of content.

Valier on Farael on inconsistency – following Folwren.

Rikae on Kitanna being safe and more calculated of the two (other being Cailín).

Holby on Morm for the confident "Valier the cobbler" –theory (also suspects Eomer and Naria).

Nogrod on Kath for being more dangerous and harder to lynch later (Farael being the other possible candidate).

Eomer on Kath to avoid double-lynching.

Naria on Rikae for playing boldly the unexpected wolf.


Some comments.

Now this seems funny, but as I scroll through the votes the ones that jump to my eye are those of Folwren's and Valier's. Folwren clearly votes with a bad reason as Farael had said that he is not in position to judge who is "silent" as he had to vote early. But Valier clinging to that same thing so fast and easy is even more eyebrowraising. Also, if Folwren is a wolf, she knew that Kath was innocent: thence it would be quite convenient to drop the late line of not thinking it a good idea to kill Kath...

Another thing that I noticed. Celuien, Folwren and Macalaure seem to have felt a need to vote earlier but still continued following and commenting on the game. I'm not saying that it is suspicious as such not to vote in the end even while you could do so. But there is a chance that this kind of action could speak of a need to steer the lynching and still not to leave oneself too closely scrutinised as not being one of those who will in the end actually need to make the final decisions.

Continuing from that it could also be noted that Valier, Rikae and Holby voted pretty late but did not take part in the game after that even though the vote was not going in the way they themselves had wished for.

Safety, safety...

And a funny thing: when you look at the reasons given on the first Dance gathered together they look pretty bad indeed, most of them. :rolleyes:

[Celuien]

Time for a vote...

++ Valier

She has seemed awfully jumpy all day and seems consistently defensive, even when only relatively lightly suspected or in danger of a vote. I'd think that wolves or cobblers would tend to be the more nervous ones since they're the ones with something to hide.

I'm not sure that Morm would have attempted a double bluff with Kitanna and then immediately started a campaign against me. We both voted against him yesterday, and it would look odd if the people who voted against him suddenly died in retaliation. I think he's too clever to do that, though I would put a bold, bold strategy past him if he were a wolf. He still makes me nervous, though that has diminshed since Kitanna's death. At any rate, we still have a roping contest tomorrow, and I want to know why he voted as he did today. :D

Lal is being a little bit...mysterious with all the allusions to having vibes. Makes me wonder about her a little bit.

Farael strikes me as a well intentioned innocent with, shall I say, great force of convictions. ;) I don't think he's trying to sow confusion or cause problems with his plan at all. Valier's interaction with him is another part of the reason I distrust her, as a matter of fact.

Rikae, Folwren, Cailin, Holby, Mac and Nogrod all strike me as more innocent than not, though mathematically speaking it wouldn't surprise me to find a cobbler somewhere in there. I don't have any real suspicions about them, though.

Much as I hate to admit it, Eomer doesn't seem wolvish.

I can't really get a feel for Naria.

I think that's everyone. If there's anyone I haven't mentioned, it's because nothing is really jumping out about them.

Another thing that I noticed. Celuien, Folwren and Macalaure seem to have felt a need to vote earlier but still continued following and commenting on the game.
Retractables have changed my vote dynamic a little bit. Since it's not certain until the deadline, I like (other than being busy today) to be around until the end to keep an eye out for mischief or another good reason to change my vote.

Signing off for coffee, breakfast, and a quick ride on the trails!

[Nogrod]

Looking at Valier...

Dance1
#75 Tries to dismerit the “lynch the silents”-suggestion by making the point that whatever we do the wolves will accustom their ways accordingly to defeat us. I know that killing the silent ones may sound like a good idea, but I think it folly. Whatever we say the wolves will certainly take into account. If we say kill the silent ones they will talk lots, if we say kill the loud ones they will back off. But how does this actually dismerit the plan? Here I think Morm has a point about the cobblery: a cobbler would like to point out that we can’t use any tactics – and would like to dismerit especially Farael’s quite reasonable plan that would make the wolves talking and thence force them out in the open for the following Dances to come.

#100 Thank’s Morm for the vote and promises to come back.

#112 Goes on the footsteps of Folwren: Oh we need to vote. Well I agree with Folwren on this one. I think Farael putting forth so much posting about killing off the silent ones, then not heeding his own advice to be well... wrong. As I said earlier this looks like a trial to a safe vote. But it’s also pretty superficial as the reason does not hold a bit.

Dance2
#138 Speculates about reasons why Kitanna was killed and then defends herself against Morm’s suspicions. And surely this looks a bit funny: Let me just say Morm ALWAYS suspects me the first few days....Not to say that sometimes he isn't right, but this time he has no good evidence at all to point to my wolvishness Just read the part I have bolded... (it kind of reminds me about wolf-Roa saying “I have never been a wolf before” in one game a long time ago :) )

#162 She starts to really defend herself against Farael with the most elliptic fashion. I don't consider myself to be a quiet villager, I just need time to adjust to the game and get a feel for people. This is how I have always played. ... What if you are wrong and you kill all us "silent" ones and we turn out to be Ordos, then you lose out on our help later on. I think we all need to get the feel for people. Why should someone be immune to lynching because of that? Or why is it worse to mistakingly kill the silents (and lose their help) as the louder ones? In fact I see it the contrary way. The silents turn out to be more scary with every Dance done.
She also thinks that Farael’s plan should include the cobblers too as they should be loud and confusing. I’m not sure if that holds in these first Dances. But anyhow – as I have already said – I think the time to look seriously at the cobblers isn’t yet as we should look primarily at the wolves.

#163 She goes even more odd: If we keep up with your little plan Farael we shall all find ourselves in a great deal of hurt when there are less and less Ordos around. Now why is lynching the silent ones going to reduce the number of ordos more than lynching other than silent people? There seems to be no way of knowing that to anyone of us – except the wolves and the cobblers. And if Valier is either of them, then her reaction would indeed point that also another baddie might be among the quiet...
Then there was the misunderstanding stuff.

#164 Correcting the misunderstanding.

I have said that we should concentrate on finding a wolf, but Valier seems to be more cobblerish indeed (if the wolvishness thing wasn't an actual slip). Many of her points would look like that. It is also noteworthy that she has said little or nothing of a relatively large group of people. That would be a perfect cobblery (or wolvery) as her wolf (or wolfmate) would nicely stay uncommented and unlinked to her among a host of people.

I’m not saying she is the cobbler, but a very good candidate for it as far as I can see.

[Nogrod]

Looking at Folwren...

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#17 Even though mainly defending the silent, does the trick of saying a lot and still nothing: No...I say, search for the people in the center, but do so without forgetting those on the two farthest side of the spectrum of talkative and silent. :p

#19 After Celuien says she is not trusting her, she goes to answer: You can not tell, indeed. Not by my looks or words, perhaps. Maybe you will come to trust me, though. I know not. Nor do I care.

#24 When Lal suspected her of nervousness she defended: No. Not necessarily something to hide. Fear, maybe. Somehow I remember her confessing that she does not wish to lie in WW (am I totally at wrong here Foley?). Now as a wolf she would have a hard time and thence might act just like this? 19 has the same posture?

#25 I still do not think it is good to kill the silent ones. Be careful...if you must...consider how they usually are. Those with the habits of being silence and shy should not be killed for it. So defending the “habitually silents” here. If she indeed is a wolf (or a cobbler) we might have one among the silent... as she so fervently tries to defend them against Farael’s plan?

#34 Cautiously admits Farael might have a point, but just might, after he had made a good and reasonable defence of his plan (#29).

#41 Answers Farael’s suspicion on flip-flopping nicely... But if you choose to think of me as guilty because you managed to half way convince me, so be it.

#42 Points back to Mac for saying nothing, not too seriously though.

#68 Is appalled by Morm and thinks him cobblerish. Says she will not answer Farael any more and underlines that she is un-Foleyish as she is a countess. Oddly personal-feeling post anyway... So actually appalled (why on earth?) or cleverly trying to look as such? It’s good for a wolf to look genuine.

#98 Gives opinions on some others. Leaves Morm be, disturbed by Farael, has no problem with my suspicion of her, Rikae’s reaction to Morm was not problematic (it was Foleyish), Mac is random but starts to make sense, Holby is full of sense, Valier has not been helpful... Of others she had no opinion.

#108 Main suspects Mac, Morm and Farael. Nicely gathering some quite capable dancers together as suspicious. Then reasons why she will vote for Farael and the vote. Saying also that a personal touch is involved: This is not out of spite. This is not because he voted for me. It is because I do not like what he has done over all in his dealing with me and my posts. Follows nicely the path set in 68...

#120 Defends her vote not being a revenge vote (as I had pointed out that she might be a wolf covering behind a payback-looking vote!). The following is also interesting: This may change. This assumption, this suspicion, may be wrong. But I will not be held accountable if it is. What?

#126 I do not think it is wise to kill Kath. Just my opinion. No time for more. If Folwren is a wolf, this is very nice indeed. At the last moment showing good sense and empathy. Looking good?

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#155 Questioning Farael still, defending her vote from Mac’s questioning. Thinks Morm more a cobbler and Farael more a wolf. Says no comment on Kitanna's death but still saying it was safe.


There is a case to be made for Folwren's lycantrophy. Is it a good one? I need to think about it still... I mean cases can be made.

- If it holds that Folwren wishes not to lie even if she is a wolf her enigmaticness in the first posts and the underlining of her non-Foleyishness and the mask are points to be considered.
- At some stages she seems to take the mask off and act passionately and emphatically. That would be veryvery wise move from a wolf as it looks good always, fair and open.
- Literally last minute defence of Kath in #126 which clearly had no chance of actually affecting the lynch of an innocent looks pretty wolvish whitewash...
- She seems to be very keen on defending the silent ones, even though she doesn't seem to come up with any arguments why we should not lynch them.* Why all this? Because a mate in crime is a silent one? Because trying to gain trust and goodwill of those who feel threathened by the plan without actually gaining suspicion on others (but possibly Farael)?
- Being really quick to defend herself all the time, looking a bit nervous if I may say so.

* I'm not saying we should just lynch the silent (whoever they be now?) and I think neither is Farael. But why she wishes to exclude the possibility in principle?

[Nogrod]

Triple posting then...

I will take a break but still I need to vote early as I will not be home during the evening here (RL).

Just a couple of general suspicions.

I might go for Valier or Folwren because of the thoughts analysing their posts have raised. Need to think.

I'm pretty concerned with Naria as always. It's so hard to tell of her.

Farael I seem to agree with quite consistently. That worries me a lot indeed. Although I hope he would little by little come back to the actual discussion about the wolves and not only what to do if we have no clue about who they might be. That sounds a bit suspicious indeed, cobblerish perhaps?

Most concerned I am about all the people I haven't had time to really look at more closely. :rolleyes:

[Lalwendë]

Cailin seems to me to be quite well up on who to vote for. OK, she voted for Kath to be lynched. Kath of course, was not, but she was then attacked by the werewolves. Was she judged to be 'on to something'? Cailin has now voted for Valier, against whom there seems to be quite the campaign building. This is as though Cailin at the very least knows something...which in turn makes me wonder why she is also against what now seems to be an anti-mormegil campaign in some quarters.

Nogrod is also very anti-Valier, as is Celuien, who also thinks Nogrod is innocent. Celuien's one-line defence of Eomer seems suspiciously designed to slip underneath the radar.

I think Rikae is innocent because of agreeing with my point of view about the wolves picking on Kitanna in the hope to draw attention to me as a newbie.

[Nogrod]

Just realised it. Why I am a bit more concerned 'bout Naria this time. With both Valier and Folwren I see the principalled defence of the quiets. Who is the quiet here if not her? If either of them (Valier or Folwren) is a baddie, that would imply Naria as a possible fellow-villain...

[Macalaure]

Mac, Yes I read through everything and yes I knew the situation. Simply put, I voted for her out of spite.This lessens my suspicion... umm... not.

If the wolves start killing those that are off the trail hoping to lead us away from their scent, that'll leave only the ordos that are on the trail. If the wolves start killing the ones that are on the trail, then we'll notice it and follow their lead to victory!What if they mix the two? ;) This is what I do when I'm evil.
I agree with Rikae and Cailin: Farael looks quite cobblerish. I fear the whole debate about his strategy is just one big diversion, and I wouldn't discount the possibility that some baddies rather like to discuss his plan than something of importance. Though I like talkative villages very much, I think Farael seems to be a bit loud just for loudness' sake.

About Valier: As far as I have acquainted her, Wolfier plays the game very cool usually, and probably would've just ignored morm's suspicion and hoped everybody would've forgotten it by the time they vote. She's too nervous to be a wolf, especially when there's no seer.
Though I'm a little suspicious of her, too, I'm really not comfortable with this early bud of a Valier-waggon.

Mac, I didn't vote for Morm because at the moment, I was more suspicious of Farael and Farael still seems more dangerous to me. Do you mind? I am inclined to believe Morm is a cobbler rather than a wolf, if he is anything, and I am also inclined to believe that Farael is a wolf rather than a cobbler, if he is anything.So you took the little chance to lynch the one you're most suspicious of instead of a good chance to lynch the one you're slightly less suspicious of. I'm not too convinced this makes sense...

Another thing that I noticed. Celuien, Folwren and Macalaure seem to have felt a need to vote earlier but still continued following and commenting on the game. I'm not saying that it is suspicious as such not to vote in the end even while you could do so. But there is a chance that this kind of action could speak of a need to steer the lynching and still not to leave oneself too closely scrutinised as not being one of those who will in the end actually need to make the final decisions.Steer the lynching? Yes, of course. I mean, if I vote for somebody then I want that person to die in the end, naturally. I often vote some time before the deadline to achieve that. Especially when you can retract, it's not the best to wait with the vote til deadline, I think.

I hope I will find the time to take a closer look at Celuien, Nogrod and Eomer later. Very bad karma, very bad.

[Macalaure]

darn no editing rule... :rolleyes:

Those names CELUIEN, NOGROD and EOMER need to be bolded.
very, very bad karma...

[Nogrod]

Nice to see someone else alive here Lal!

But I have to disagree with you on two points.
Kath of course [...] was then attacked by the werewolves. Was she judged to be 'on to something'? It is perfectly possible that there was a cobbler or even a wolf amongst those who voted for Kath (Cailín, Macalaure, Nogrod, Eomer), but it is also possible that Kath was lynched by the innocents while the wolves grinned at the side. That would not be unheard of on first Dances.
I think Rikae is innocent because of agreeing with my point of view about the wolves picking on Kitanna in the hope to draw attention to me as a newbieI tend to see Kitanna's death more as a safe one. Funny indeed that only those that might be thought to be implied / framed by the kill are talking about the framing? Do you really think that if someone agrees with you then she is innocent? :rolleyes:

[Lalwendë]

Nice to see someone else alive here Lal!

But I have to disagree with you on two points.
It is perfectly possible that there was a cobbler or even a wolf amongst those who voted for Kath (Cailín, Macalaure, Nogrod, Eomer), but it is also possible that Kath was lynched by the innocents while the wolves grinned at the side. That would not be unheard of on first Dances.

That is indeed possible, but statistically speaking, at least one of these is likely not to be innocent. That depends on whether you think the Wolves were hoping to throw in a curveball.

I tend to see Kitanna's death more as a safe one. Funny indeed that only those that might be thought to be implied / framed by the kill are talking about the framing? Do you really think that if someone agrees with you then she is innocent? :rolleyes:

Hmmm, of course, Rikae could be hoping to get onto my side. Which means one of several things: 1. Rikae is innocent and wants to find an ally to avoid being voted for. 2. Rikae thinks I am a wolf and hopes to appeal to me. 3. Rikae is a cobbler and thinks I am one of the wolves. 4. Rikae is a wolf and is lining me up for the kill and wishes to avoid the chance of me voting away that opportunity. So there's a half and half chance that Rikae is innocent.

[Nogrod]

So there's a half and half chance that Rikae is innocent. :D Good - Bad, 50-50... :D

[Nogrod]

So 13 remaining of which 4 we wish to get rid of. So one of every three, about.

Here's what I think now.

Folwren - Might be a wolf. Probably my best candidate for it now. Which is not much.

Valier - Could be a cobbler. Mac says she's too nervous to be a wolf. So nervous of what if she's innocent? Maybe she's a cobbler indeed? That would be nerve-wrecking (just think about being afraid from both sides and not able to play for the village victory openly) and explain her nervousness?

Farael - I can't see him as a wolf, at least for the time being. Too loud, too risky. Innocent or cobbler then?

Naria - I'm very much afraid of. Hard to tell but known to perform well when under radar.

mormegil - Could be anything but I wouldn't lynch someone who is not able to defend himself because of RL reasons (but I do hope he will be more involved on Dance3).

Lalwendë - I'm bit confused about her. She seems to be as clever as she always is. Still she seems to pick up somewhat dubious tracks every now and then. It might be newbieness to the game, but with her intelligence I wouldn't put it past her to use that fact to her advantage.

Macalaure - I'm getting to see as back to his considerate self. He might pull it out as a wolf surely, but I would not be voting him today. As I said during the last Dance, he's too good to lynch with light grounds. That doesn't mean we shouldn't look at him closely from time to time.

Rikae - She has been here and there and still I can't quite say what she is. That kind of bothers me. If I would have more time during this Dance I would like to check her next, but unfortunately the clock is ticking too fast to me right now. If we both are alive tomorrow I'll be reading her more closely.

Celuien, Eomer, Cailín, Holbytlass - Sad to say, but I have no clear opinion about these people but that they have posted considered posts. They all look reasonable and cool. And that kind of makes me nervous too. If I'm wrong with my considerations of guilt (those in the head of my list here) and we should see this through pure mathematics, then there should be at least one baddie in this quartet. Pinning the one down would be very hard indeed as the others surely are helpful players none of whom I would want to lose... (although Holby and Eomer have been mostly quiet today)

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

I'm still very interested in why Kitanna was chosen. 7 people garnered votes yesterday; if the wolves wanted a safe kill then they would have chosen one of those who did not get a vote. The vote(s) for, or by, Kitanna are the reason why she was chosen.

Very early today, Valier started the rumours, eager for us to make the suspicious connexion between the deceased Kitanna and Lalwendë, Rikae and (interestingly enough, indirectly) Mormegil. She's going for all these characters.

If this is indeed malicious, then she has overstepped her mark. I think I will vote for her today.

Almost mirroring what Mormegil thought about me (in contrast with history!) I have faith in Nogrod's innocence. He seems very right to me.

[Nogrod]

I must quit this Dance now and am most torn between my choices. Voting this early is not nice indeed.

Should I go for a possible wolf and vote for Folwren? She being a wolf seems possible, but I don't know how probable it is...

Should I go for a more believable cobbler and vote for Valier? I don't like bandwaggons, even less early ones, but then again her nervousness would speak even more on behalf of her being the cobbler... But getting a cobbler doesn't equal getting a wolf.

Or should I go to the common denominator of my prime suspects (of which both probably are not true but another might be?) and vote for Naria that I both am afraid of and who could be implied by the steady defence of the silent-ones of both Folwren and Valier? (That would mean that either one should be a cobbler who knows Naria to be the wolf - and basically Folwren, if she is a villain, looks more like a wolf than a cobbler to me)

Gah!

I'll go for the wolf.

++ Folwren

Hope you others have more time to discuss the pros and cons of different possibilities...

[Holbytlass]

Mormegil:I believe he is the first to point out Valier as being odd and since others have joined that thinking, all I can say at this point is if Valier is found to be a baddie of some sort than kudos to Morm and I will find it hard to find him a baddie as there are only 2 wolves. Not a lot of wiggle room to oust a fellow badguy. Morm changes vote from Rikae to Valier being consistent with his feeling, likes to vote early-the safest voting of all

Farael:He is being consistent with himself as far as lockjawing on something and not letting go. This time it's a plan instead of a person. I still find him innocent at this moment but as I said about ready made quiet wolves to fly under the radar, "ready made" can apply to anyone who can keep being themselves as a baddie. his vote for Folwren is consistent and a safe early vote

Rikae:She feels right to me for now. Putting forth thoughts and counterthoughts on people and ideas-not in a way as to make confusion. vote for Kitanna consistent, did put Kit in a tie with Morm and Kath. Just seems too redundant for Rikae to be a wolf to put another person in a 3 way tie then kill them that night

Nogrod: good feelings from him, unless he is so adamant of pinpointing the way others look wolvish as to deflect suspicion from himself (o'course is what a wolf wants) but feels more like a detective helping the ball. did put Kath (now known innocent) in tie with Morm, so unless he was protecting Morm his vote consistent

Lalwende:She is clever but still a newbie to the dance. she was first to vote for Kitanna. she feels to me to be acting more like a newbie ordo than a newbie wolf-unless her wolf partner is giving great advice

Naria:by her actions-a bit defensive, and while stating her oppositions to Farael's plan (nothing wrong wwith that) doesn't really add to it and mostly her late/add another person vote seem suspicious.

Macaulare:his vote puts Kath in the first tie with Morm, is a safe 2nd vote for someone -with plenty of others still left to vote. could be having a not too obvious but there sparing with Nogrod to seperate the two?

Celuien:The only thing that jumps at me is that Celuien votes Morm (2nd vote-only5th voter) then he turns and votes her today, maybe another possible sparing wolf partners

Valier:she does seem overly defencive, her vote for Farael is consistent

Eomer:I just don’t have a good vibe on Eomer can’t really pinpoint it yet. His vote of course makes sense-he was already against Kath

Cailin:I don’t find her suspicious at all, hope she’s on our side-always picks up on other possible scenarios about dancers

Folwren: she’s on my middle ground, she was most suspicious of Farael but it can be seen as an easy/safe vote to add another dancers name to an already full card when other suspects are already on


These are my thoughts for now. Must go and catch up with latest posts, so much to juggle...

[Holbytlass]

++Macaulare




Mormegil-->Celuien (Cel-1)
Cailin-->Valier (Cel-1, Val-1)
Farael-->Mormegil (Cel-1, Val-1, Morm-1)
Celuien-->Valier (Cel-1, Val-2, Morm-1)
Nogrod-->Folwren(Cel-1, Val-2, Morm-1, Fol-1)
Holbytlass-->Macalaure (Cel-1, Val-2, Morm-1, Fol-1, Mac-1)

[Folwren]

The countess smiles a very small smile and a cold laugh escapes her.

It is very strange to be suspected. (As Foley, I really don't know how I'm going to go about to make a feelingless post when so violently attacked...)

Have I not explained myself to you people several times? My concept is not difficulty, and to my knowledge, it hasn't changed. Dullness of wit, perhaps, keeps you from seeing that.

Nogrod, because you have left and claim that you are not coming back, I suppose I can not change your mind, but I have yet have time, perhaps, to say something that will keep the others from believing you and following your lead. Of course, I am also terribly tempted to let myself be killed. It would be poetic justice, I think, if I were to die and you could see your mistake. All your careful reasoning and thought would come to nothing and you'd have to start over. But, no...I would the true dancers win this round and not let the wolves take over.

Before I make any defence, I will comment on others.

Farael, I don't like your excuses. I don't like them at all. To early in the day to know who was quiet and who wasn't? Well, it was obvious that I certainly wasn't. Perhaps if I had talked less, and not been so bold in some posts, you would vote for someone else who talked enough to make themselves suspicious?

I have no new comments on Mormegil because he is not able to post here today. Nothing new except this - I am inclined to believe that he is not a wolf. I think that if I were wolf and I could not be here for a day, I would not bother to vote. That could be taken incorrectly, people might suspect, it's too dangerous. Besides that, wolves get to kill who they like at night. I wouldn't risk absentee voting.

I have not really paid much attention to Naria. Right now, I am going through all this second Dance's posts. It just struck me a moment ago...Valier said this in her first post of this Dance:

Well the first day kill is usually one made well sort of in spite, the wolves can kill pretty much anyone they want the first day and have it not really point to anyone and if it does that could just be a way for them to desguise themselves as innocent.

I am not certain, but I think it makes more sense if she meant to say night instead of first day. Anyhow, she says this, and then Naria say:

Mac, Yes I read through everything and yes I knew the situation. Simply put, I voted for her out of spite.

The word 'spite' when talking about killing is brought up again. But this time, it is clear that she was talking about her vote. As for as I understand it, one doesn't generally vote out of spite to kill someone.

But that could just be coincidence...

Valier does seem strangely anxious to appear innocent, BUT her posts of defense have been directed towards Farael because Farael is wanting to lynch the quiet ones and Valier is one of those players who (in my experience) is habitually quiet. I've seen her playing a wolf a couple times and she generally does a really good job of appearing innocent, but she does it in a quiet way, going unnoticed and managing to travel through the game without great fits of trying to explain her innocence when there is no way to tell for certain. I do not have any opinion about her following my lead on voting for Farael. It's a free country, isn't it? (Sorry, that's a joke from our house.) And it's possible that he's guilty, isn't it? On the other hand, it was an easy vote for Valier.

As of this dance, Farael has been consistant. He even voted for a person who is quiet! (But Morm's quiet because he can't help but be quiet.) As some people have mentioned. Farael has managed to keep the conversation wholly on his plan of action, posting many times about it.

Nogrod has been very helpful by bringing up two very strong cases against Valier and myself. He is a strong ally, smart and willing to think things over, and he is a dangerous enemy. I am sorry to have made him suspicious of me, because if he really wants to, I'm sure he could tear me down and get me killed, regardless of my innocence.

I am tending towards letting Lalwende remain unsuspected in my mind. Until either I get more time to consider everyone's votes, or she writes more, I am not going to try to talk myself into suspecting her.

Eomer has posted few times, but he tends to make sense, mostly. My only quarrel with him is the fact that he voted for Kath when I thought she was probably innocent.

I find Celuien's words to make sense. Cailin, too, is nonsuspicious.

I have been distracted all morning (customers coming in and out of the store) and this post is taking me ages to write. I apologize. I'm going to send this and then post again with answers to my accusers.

-- Folwren

[Folwren]

Cross posted with Holbytlass's vote.

[Valier]

Sigh..Well I can't say I am happy with all this suspision and voting for me, but hey what can I do? I have only about and hour before I must leave for work. I will not spend this time defending myself as I don't think anything I have said is overly Wolvish. Yes I am a bit defensive, but I really wanted to stay around and help the village this time. I know I can be an asset later on in the game, but others seem to think not. Well Here's my lists...

Innocent?
Folwren
Macalaure
Mormegil
Lalwende

Baddies?
Farael
Rikae
Nogrod
Eomer

Not sure
Holby
Cailin
Celuien
Naria

I have no really clear feelings for anyone yet, but I am sure this will pass and things will become more clear as the dances go by. If I am to die, then so be it. I hope you all have the sense to bring someone else down with me just in case you are wrong about me, you may just get a baddie in the process. I will be rereading for this next hour and I will vote before I must go.

[Naria]

Naria:by her actions-a bit defensive, and while stating her oppositions to Farael's plan (nothing wrong wwith that) doesn't really add to it and mostly her late/add another person vote seem suspicious.

I wouldn't call it a defense Holby. I was annoyed by Rikae's comment that she made about me(thus, voted partially for this reason). Also, where do you see that I am opposed to Farael's plan? In regards to my vote for Rikae, yes I did add another person to the pot, but she was the most suspicious person to me so I voted for her. I honestly did not feel the need to take a ride on a wagon. I actually had someone, maybe for the first time, that I was suspicious of for a Dance1 and I voted in accordance to it.

Now keeping on the topic of Rikae. I couldn't help noticing that she has yet to comment on what I had said about her. She being so talkative at that time, I thought my post would have received something. Another thing I noticed was toDance she has done an about face and is now acting like her normal Rikae self(fewer posts-meaing, less than Dance1-and more helpful). I find it odd that after I pointed out her abnormalness for Dance1 that she is now doing the opposite, hmmm. It may just be that she was an over-zealous ordo, but the amount of posting was incredible...even for an "I'm feeling kinda chatty today" Rikae. She still doesn't sit well with me, but her first post toDance has lessened my suspicions a wee bit(although this may be what she wanted it to do).

In fact I'd go so far as to venture you may have stumbled upon a tactic or a bit of strategy from someone!

You perhaps? I would go as far to venture that you are wolf and Rikae provides your shoes :eek: . I can't find the right word to describe what kind of play you are doing Lal. You are clinging to your newbie ww status, but at the same time you aren't bumbling around and have decent thoughts out there. Not that those aren't good things. It's just that I would have expected a little less experience showing through than I have from you...you know, being a noob and all :p .

Now on to Morm. I would like to know why he felt the need to cast a vote when he isn't here toDance. As far as I can tell there is no mod fire mentioned in the rules, so why did he? He had the time to pm our Moddess, so why not just go into the admin thread and tell everyone he won't be around to vote due to RL. Another thing is, he goes as far to ask our Moddess to make sure she adds who he is suspicious of after his vote(Valier), again this begs the question...why? He went as far to ensure that addition, but fails to ensure his reasoning for voting Cel. Now I would think that adding a reason for a vote is a little more important then letting people know who he suspicious of outside of Cel, especially when one can't be around to explain it. It's almost like he is letting a comrade know what to do(how to sway the votes) while he is away.

I'll be back with more after a little catch up reading.

[Naria]

crossed with the last four posts

[Rikae]

Just a few thoughts:

Lal, I am not entirely on anybody's side, because nobody is entirely on my side. My purpose in bringing up the framing idea was to point out how it could possibly point to Valier's wolfishness.

Am I alone in finding Farael's latest vote alarmingly inconsistant? At dance one he argued for killing the quiet ones, but didn't vote accordingly; day two, he first mentioned Naria, then when pressed, switched to Valier, and then, out of the blue, he votes for Morm - who is quiet because he isn't here, and who normally doesn't seem at all quiet.

I think Nogrod has made a very ocnvincing case for Folwren's guilt. If she indeed doesn't want to lie, it's true she is giving the appearence of someone trying to decieve without lying.
So, Folwren, are you a wolf? :D

I'll comment on everybody else in a little while; at the moment, I'm most concerned about Foley, Valier and Farael (although I tend to be suspicious of Farael regardless); I also think I ought to look more closely at Holby and Celuien, precisely because they are not making me suspicious; and if Farael is evil, I bet Naria or Valier is as well (the bluff I mentioned, and his pattern of advocating lynching, and then veering off).

EDIT: Cross posted with Naria

[Macalaure]

Celuien


15 Early suspicions, not serious

18 talks about silent ones
27 more of the same, wants us to look for the misleading and inconsistent

38 agrees with Rikae about avoidance of topics/persons

69 sums up her non-suspicions
70 typo

91 stuff about cobblers
94 corrects my misunderstanding

101 vote tally - votes morm, because his behaviour's jumping out the most
116 tally, again
127 tally...

128 confirms Eomer of the time problems

137 analysis of Kitanna, no findings

151 says Valier's a bit jumpy

156 talks about Farael's ideas
157 "Crossed with Folwren. Nothing more to add."
159 tells us she's short on time

171 votes Valier because she's jumpy and consistently defensive
She's not sure about morm's behaviour
Everyone else is more or less innocent to her


I used to be suspicious about her, because she's been uncontroversial. Rereading her posts, I had no idea how uncontroversial. She's only suspicious of mormegil and Valier, the most obvious (because the two are most perceivably strange) picks if you don't want to offend anybody and turn his/her eyes on yourself. Her votes are utterly safe. She's very nice to everybody, which is not a bad, but a remarkable thing. Except the ones she voted for, she confirms everybody to look innocent to her.
She told us to look at misleading and inconsistent ones. She, at the same time is leading nobody nowhere except along known tracks and is very thoughtful not to be inconsistent.

Let us assume Farael is a cobbler, loud and distracting, then Celuien is the perfect corresponding werewolf.


++Celuien

[Rikae]

Naria, what's to comment? I'm sorry if I offended you; all I meant is I thought your posting frequency was your normal playing style, and therefore not suspicious.

As for my posting frequency, I do tend to post more on Day 1's (when I don't miss them). I like to get the game rolling; other people respond to my posts and suspicions and then we have something to go on. It's my feeling that the sooner peope get talking, the sooner we can hunt down a wolf.

[Folwren]

My defense is still in progress, but because it is so close to closing time, I am going to post it as I finish paragraphs and my points. Cold and stoic as I am, I have no wish to die today. I will resign myself to my fate, if it is my fate, but until that fate is sealed, I'll talk.

Nogrod and Mac, you are my two main attackers. It seems as though they are both bothered by the fact that I added a sixth name to the list of people being voted for. To be honest, I didn't count how many people were already voted for. All I knew was that, I didn't think any of them so far were as guilty looking as Farael. Hence my vote. I do not care what anyone says. I will not vote for someone I think less guilty than another, especially when the only reason would be so that the votes are not spread out enough. I don’t think like that. As Nogrod observed (somewhat), I’m too honest. I’m no politician. I’m not a liar, either, even in these games. I haven’t lied, and I haven’t half lied. I am completely and entirely honest when I say to you, I am an innocent.

[Folwren]

There is a case to be made for Folwren's lycantrophy. Is it a good one? I need to think about it still... I mean cases can be made.

- If it holds that Folwren wishes not to lie even if she is a wolf her enigmaticness in the first posts and the underlining of her non-Foleyishness and the mask are points to be considered.

It holds that I do not wish to lie. I have not lied. And I will not lie. I am innocent.

- At some stages she seems to take the mask off and act passionately and emphatically. That would be veryvery wise move from a wolf as it looks good always, fair and open.

Yes, the mask must come off occasionally. Anyone who reads books knows that the most stoic of characters can the most passionate scenes in the book.

- Literally last minute defence of Kath in #126 which clearly had no chance of actually affecting the lynch of an innocent looks pretty wolvish whitewash...

Last minute because she was not in danger until the last minute! Fools, fools! I didn’t vote for her! I told you as quick as I could not to vote for her! I didn’t have time! If I had and if I had known sooner that she was in such danger, I would have spoken, I assure you!

- She seems to be very keen on defending the silent ones, even though she doesn't seem to come up with any arguments why we should not lynch them.* Why all this? Because a mate in crime is a silent one? Because trying to gain trust and goodwill of those who feel threathened by the plan without actually gaining suspicion on others (but possibly Farael)?

You want to know why I don’t want to lynch them? Because in the first game that I ever lost, we lynched a quiet person. He was one of our last homes. He hardly spoke at all, but he was our ranger. We died because we killed him.

Silent people are silent for two reasons, when they’re innocent - they can not always post because of bad or little access to computers, or they are silent habitually. These are the type the Farael is asking us to kill and this is the type that so often don’t deserve to be killed.

- Being really quick to defend herself all the time, looking a bit nervous if I may say so.

For heavens sake! If it’s not one way, it’s the other! ‘Folwren look suspicious, she didn’t defend herself from Farael’s attacks twice.’ Or it’s ‘Folwren looks suspicious, she defends herself too much.’

I'm not saying we should just lynch the silent (whoever they be now?) and I think neither is Farael. But why she wishes to exclude the possibility in principle?

Are you blind? Or are you purposefully trying to kill me on false ground? I eventually said that his plan of killing a silent one on the first or second day because there was nothing better to go on was probably a decent plan! I DID! Then Farael turns around and says I flip flopped! Good HEAVENS! A person can’t be convinced in this game to change her mind, or else she’s attacked by the same person trying to convince her to change her mind.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Folwren is going way over the top here. "I'm innocent! You'll be sorry!!!" She wouldn't be registering too high on my list if she wasn't so adamant about painting herself as the victim.

Anyway, lots of interesting thoughts and useful discussion. Even if we fail today (mathematically probable) we have good stuff to look back on in the coming days.

++VALIER

If not her then Kitanna's death puzzles me greatly.

[Folwren]

An Edit for the above:

I meant to say he was our last hope, not our last home.

And, I also meant to say, the most stoic can have the most passionate scenes...

I think that's all.

[Valier]

Mormegil-->Celuien (Cel-1)
Cailin-->Valier (Cel-1, Val-1)
Farael-->Mormegil (Cel-1, Val-1, Morm-1)
Celuien-->Valier (Cel-1, Val-2, Morm-1)
Nogrod-->Folwren(Cel-1, Val-2, Morm-1, Fol-1)
Holbytlass-->Macalaure (Cel-1, Val-2, Morm-1, Fol-1, Mac-1)
Macalaure-->Celuien (Cel-2, Val-2, Morm-1, Fol-1,Mac-1)
Valier-->Celuien (Cel3, Val-2, Morm-1, Fol-1, Mac-1)

Well I think today I may just have to switch my would be vote....I know this of course will make me look even worse. I believe Mac to be an Ordo and I totally follow his reasoning about Cel. I do think that Farael is more than likely a Cobbler and since me voting for Farael will do nothing to help myself or the village today.
++Celuien
To hopefully save myself for one more Dance. :D If you villagers feel that killing me today will help to eliminate some suspicion, go ahead. Just please take Farael or Celuien down too. Why not have a double lynch this early in the game? I would prefer to see Farael go, but the votes are leaning towards Cel. I must go now and I won't be back before the deadline. I hope you all make the right choice and I am crossing my fingers that either way you catch a bad guy.

[Valier]

Cross-posted with a few posts and Eomers vote

Mormegil-->Celuien (Cel-1)
Cailin-->Valier (Cel-1, Val-1)
Farael-->Mormegil (Cel-1, Val-1, Morm-1)
Celuien-->Valier (Cel-1, Val-2, Morm-1)
Nogrod-->Folwren(Cel-1, Val-2, Morm-1, Fol-1)
Holbytlass-->Macalaure (Cel-1, Val-2, Morm-1, Fol-1, Mac-1)
Macalaure-->Celuien (Cel-2, Val-2, Morm-1, Fol-1,Mac-1)
Valier-->Celuien (Cel-3, Val-2, Morm-1, Fol-1, Mac-1)
Eomer-->Valier (Cel-3, Val-3, Morm-1, Fol-1, Mac-1)

[Folwren]

Folwren is going way over the top here. "I'm innocent! You'll be sorry!!!" She wouldn't be registering too high on my list if she wasn't so adamant about painting herself as the victim.

Oh, don't you start. At least you didn't vote for me. It's all so unjust, that's all. I can't stand injustice.

I apologize. The Countess will be taking over for Foley in a just a few minutes...

[Macalaure]

Even if we fail today (mathematically probable) we have good stuff to look back on in the coming days.Just wanted to add that it is always mathematically probable to lynch an innocent. The moment it no longer is, the wolves have won. :D

[Folwren]

The Countess gathers her feelings back to her. The blood, that rose so quickly to her face, slowly drained again, leaving her as pale as before.

I understand the difficulties you may be having in believing my innocense, Nogrod. When anyone looks deep enough into anyone’s posting, you can usually find questionable stuff, because in this game, there are no certainties.

I honor and admire the way you put the case together so well. You’re good at that. A good friend, but a terrible enemy to have. I hope that someday, you will not be my enemy.

I have nothing more to say in defense of myself. I have answered all that I believe is pertinent.

I’m still going to vote for Farael today. Of everyone, he’s the one I suspect the most. Valier, I am uncertain about, and I always loath hopping onto what appears to be a bandwagon.

++Farael

Do not expect me around any more today.

[Lalwendë]

Well going by my powers of deduction as displayed in Post 175 and then reversing them, adding a little bit of suspicion and reading between the lines and stirring with a heavy wooden spoon at boiling point, I am voting for:

++Valier

What finally swung it for me was this display of fangs:

To hopefully save myself for one more Dance. :D

Note, my fellow whimpering, fearful Downers, the big pointy teeth in that smiley. A spirited defence and one that could touch the heart, and if I am wrong then I shall be wracked with guilt, but having read through today's posts I am convinced. Note that if wrong, this does give one some particularly good leads... :eek:

[Macalaure]

To leave a bucket o' trails:


Rikae - looks quite innocent

Lalwendë - feels innocent

mormegil - I feel him innocent, but that might change tomorrow, who knows...

Cailín - no hunch whatsoever

Valier - slight suspicion of cobblerdom. I want her to speak sense toMorrow

Folwren - suspicious, but her defence was soo over the top that I can no longer think of her as a wolf. Slight suspicion of cobblerhood.

Holbytlass - nothing exceptionally wolvish, but also nothing exceptionally innocent. I will take a close look at her once I run out of better suspects

Vorgram of the Gaurhoth - too nice and uncontroversial for my taste. Could be anything

Naria - question mark. Could be anything.

Nogrod - Analysing Nogrod is a hard day's work, maybe toMorrow. One post looks perfectly innocent, one horribly guilty.

Farael - I don't see mush sense in his plans. Looks most cobblerish of all.

Celuien - purposefully uncontroversial, tries to be nice to everyone, looks helpful but isn't, flies under the radar by being so friendly, most suspicious


*holds up sign saying: LYNCH CELUIEN*

[Macalaure]

Valier 4
Celuien 3

Left to vote: Rikae and Naria (correct me if I'm wrong)

Your own words, Rikae:
the avoidence of a topic or person will be the red flag

Rikae, Naria: Read (or skim) Celuien's posts again with this in mind.

[Macalaure]

Ten minutes to deadline in a game with retractable votes!!

Speak up if you haven't voted yet!

Speak up if you voted for someone who isn't going to make it!

Foley, Holby, Nogrod, Farael! If you're still around, participate!

[Naria]

I will go with whom I think is the most suspicious to me and that is

++Morm

I normally would not vote for someone that is not here. But I have a nagging feeling that I have not been able to shake toDance. He may have just wanted his vote in, but why state who he is suspicous of after? And why no reason for voting for Cel?

[Rikae]

Well, it's down to the choice of Valier and Celuien; if I vote for Cel, it leaves the choice to Naria - which would be interesting.

Or I can vote for somebody else and leave Naria the choice of Valier or a double lynch.

Mac's case against Cel seems like a shot in the dark; sure, she's played it safe, but so have Holby, Cailin, Mac and Nogrod (who is his usual self, nothing more).

If Cel is innocent, Mac's your wolf.


++Macalaure

Let's see what Naria chooses.

EDIT cross posted w/ Naria

[Rikae]

In that case, let's have a double lynch.

--Mac
++Celuien

[Macalaure]

Tally:

Mormegil-->Celuien (Cel-1)
Cailin-->Valier (Cel-1, Val-1)
Farael-->Mormegil (Cel-1, Val-1, Morm-1)
Celuien-->Valier (Cel-1, Val-2, Morm-1)
Nogrod-->Folwren(Cel-1, Val-2, Morm-1, Fol-1)
Holbytlass-->Macalaure (Cel-1, Val-2, Morm-1, Fol-1, Mac-1)
Macalaure-->Celuien (Cel-2, Val-2, Morm-1, Fol-1,Mac-1)
Valier-->Celuien (Cel-3, Val-2, Morm-1, Fol-1, Mac-1)
Eomer-->Valier (Cel-3, Val-3, Morm-1, Fol-1, Mac-1)
Folwren-->Farael (Cel-3, Val-3, Morm-1, Fol-1, Mac-1, Farael-1)
Lalwende--> Valier (Cel-3, Val-4, Morm-1, Fol-1, Mac-1, Farael-1)
Naria --> morm (Cel-3, Val-4, Morm-2, Fol-1, Mac-1, Farael-1)

I'd like to add that I have just upped my suspicions of Naria by a LOT.

[Macalaure]

cross-posted with Rikae

Yay!

[Rikae]

I hope we got at least one baddie...

[Macalaure]

I just noticed that maybe I've been a little tense the last few minutes. I'd like to apologise. I was just a little disappointed because of the sudden silence near the deadline and Naria's obvious throwaway. Or rather not-throwaway, since it appears very possible to me right now that she's the second wolf or Celuien's cobbler. :)

[Naria]

--Morm
++Cel

There :p

[Rikae]

Mind you, Mac, I'm rather suspicious of you at the moment.

[Rikae]

And Naria saves Valier...remember that, folks.

[Macalaure]

Naria saving Valier can be interpreted in many ways...

[Durelin]

Bah, I was looking forward to a double lynch!

Dance (Day) 2 has ended. No more talking, please.

Celuien is dead.

She was a Werewolf.

Rest (Night) 3 has begun. Werewolf...start thinking. Send me a kill before the night is over.

[Durelin]

The dancing started off slow, and remained slow for quite some time. The dancers lazed around, obviously taking to heart the death of four innocent Wights. mormegil was the first to produce suspects, and when others began making serious accusations, the dancers fell into the same frenzy that had haunted them the previous dance. But it would be the first suspects that would come closest to their deaths: one would barely escape, the other would not at all. Macalaure began a lynch Celuien campaign, going so far as to break in his miming art to hold up a glaring sign. Others drove on a Lynch Valier campaign, and Rikae seemed to think it fun to see two die that day.

It all happened too fast for Celuien to defend herself, either in word or action.

Nogrod snatched her lasso from her hand and handed it over to Macalaure. Celuien regretted teaching him how to mime a lasso. He twirled it in great loops above his head, grinning at her in his usual red-lipped, white-faced grin. Holbytlass and Nogrod backed her toward the wall, grabbing both her arms, while Rikae and Eomer took hold of Valier before she could fly off, mouthing, “you’re next.”

Macalaure proceeded to round up Celuien by her neck. She struggled, trying to pull her arms away, and began to kick, trying to land a good hit with the spurs on her heels. mormegil removed her boots, and she snarled, cornered like a de-clawed cat.

A table was pulled up, and Celuien roughly placed on the edge of it. Macalaure tightened the lasso noose around her neck and tied the other end up in the rafters; he would not let anyone else touch the rope. Nogrod and Holbytlass were forced to tear pieces from the tablecloth to bind her wrists. Then Farael pulled the table out from under the accused’s feet.

There was a crick, but not a crack. Celuien struggled to breath.

“Her neck didn’t break,” Rikae remarked, sounding a bit disappointed.

“It wasn’t a far enough fall,” Folwren said coolly.

“It will take her a little bit to die this way,” Cailín remarked, nodding sagely.

“Yup,” Lalwendë said simply.

Everyone stood watching her struggle, watching her kick, but no one stepped forward.

Suddenly Naria stepped up from behind those gathered around the dangling Celuien. She carried one of the cowgirl’s spurs in her hand, and she plunged it into the lynchee’s chest.

Celuien’s scream turned from human to inhuman, and the dancers watched as her body transformed, plain human skin was covered in fur, her ears grew long and pointed, and her canines stretched to a ferocious length.

The four lights on the chandelier were not joined by a fifth.


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The Dead Dead

Durelin (Mod and Hostess) – Ghostbusted on Rest (Night) the First
CaptainofDespair (Co-mod and Host) – Ghostbusted on Rest (Night) the First
Kath (Ordinary Villager) – Pinned and Labeled by the Mob on Dance (Day) the First
Kitanna (Ordinary Villager) – Minced, Placed in the Band, and Hardcore Harpsichorded on Rest (Night) the Second
Celuien (Werewolf) – Lassoed and Spurred by the Dancers on Dance (Day) the Second


The Living Dead

mormegil as a (Kewl-Shades) Rude Boy
Farael as a Fair-looking Orc
Rikae as an Entwife
Nogrod as a Nice Choirboy
Lalwendë as a (Mischievous Little) Christmas Elf
Naria as a Spoiled Heiress wearing a Venetian half mask
Macalaure as a Mime
Valier as a Flighty Young Woman wearing an exotic colourful bird mask
Eomer of the Rohirrim as Vorgram, Ancient Prince of Wargs
Cailín as a Robin
Holbytlass as a Court Jester
Folwren as an Elegant, Cold, Stoic, Mysterious Countess


“It is only the dead who have seen the end of the war.”
~Plato


(Sorry this took so long to get posted.)

[Durelin]

All was silent. The dancers sat a little more relaxed now that they felt they had achieved some sort of victory, but most minds were working as frantically as ever. Everyone eyed each other but tried to avoid each other’s stares. Three remained, feeling the loss in anger, but were far from daunted. Four had already been removed from the picture. Nine remained that could stand in their way.

And soon there would only be eight.

Lalwendë was getting a temporary “nice” feeling from Holbytlass, and so crafted her some new, extra jingly bells for her hat and shoes.

Cailín was hopping away from Farael as he inched closer to her and tried to give her the best angle to admire his profile.

Nogrod was trying to get mormegil to warm up to everyone a bit more.

Eomer was helping Macalaure learn a “the better to eat you with my dear” routine.

Naria and Valier were mocking Folwren’s stiffness.

Folwren stood alone.

No one noticed one guest was missing, nor that another slipped away.

The sweetness of a harp was wafted over to the guests, who initially took the melodious sounds in with contented smiles. Perhaps things really were looking better…

A voice, barely audible above the harp, sang:

Silent Night…

Holy Night…

All is calm, all is…

Dark.

Lights illumined what first appeared to be a holy sight, as they were wrapped around a tree shining with different coloured balls and silver tinsel, and a large golden star shown above it all. Three festively wrapped packages sat beneath it.

Several of the guests rushed over to it, their childish instincts taking over. Farael unwrapped the first package. He grew more than a little pale, and dropped the package to the floor. It toppled over, and a severed foot rolled out onto the floor. Valier threw the package she had opened to the ground with a scream, and the match to Farael’s fell out of it. Naria was frozen, so in shock that she could not release her grip from the box or tear her eyes from what it held.

Apparently this tree had a name, and it was Rikae: now the bloody corpse hidden among the needles and garland.

Her feet had been removed before she was placed in the stand…and her head removed to make room for the star.

“I guess Rikae was on the nice list this year,” remarked Lalwendë.


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The Dead Dead

Durelin (Mod and Hostess) – Ghostbusted on Rest (Night) the First
CaptainofDespair (Co-mod and Host) – Ghostbusted on Rest (Night) the First
Kath (Ordinary Villager) – Pinned and Labeled by the Mob on Dance (Day) the First
Kitanna (Ordinary Villager) – Minced, Placed in the Band, and Hardcore Harpsichorded on Rest (Night) the Second
Celuien (Werewolf) – Lassoed and Spurred by the Dancers on Dance (Day) the Second
Rikae (Ordinary Villager) – Trimmed and Bedecked on Rest (Night) the Third


The Living Dead

mormegil as a (Kewl-Shades) Rude Boy
Farael as a Fair-looking Orc
Nogrod as a Nice Choirboy
Lalwendë as a (Mischievous Little) Christmas Elf
Naria as a Spoiled Heiress wearing a Venetian half mask
Macalaure as a Mime
Valier as a Flighty Young Woman wearing an exotic colourful bird mask
Eomer of the Rohirrim as Vorgram, Ancient Prince of Wargs
Cailín as a Robin
Holbytlass as a Court Jester
Folwren as an Elegant, Cold, Stoic, Mysterious Countess


Merry Christmas, Happy Hanukah, Happy Kwanzaa, and just plain Happy Holidays to everyone!


Rest (Night) 3 has ended.

Dance (Day) 3 will begin on the 26th at 2:00 pm EST.

Everyone keep quiet until then, please.

[CaptainofDespair]

Apparently I may not be around exactly at 2pm to open the thread. So, I'm going to open it a bit early, just to be safe.

Dance (Day) 3 has begun.

Let the dancing/moving/awkward twitching resume!

[Nogrod]

Oh my, what an ending to the last Dance! It sure ended happily, but there are things within it that look somewhat bothering...

I mean: the thing that astonishes me most is to see Macalaure still among us living-deads. The more I think of it the less sense it makes. No ranger to stop the wolf from killing him, his death would leave basically no trails as he didn’t suspect openly anyone and revenge (on Celuien) would be understandable reason enough, and he’s good (if someone hadn’t played with him before, now s/he would have been proved it)... So why Rikae is dead instead of him? Why to leave a dangerous opponent alive if one had the perfect opportunity to do away with him? (Mac: if you're innocent, kudos to you!)

Who, being a wolf, might have been afraid of killing him? The only one that comes around might be Naria as Mac changed his judgement in the last moments of the last Dance from question mark. Could be anything. To I'd like to add that I have just upped my suspicions of Naria by a LOT. So might that have been enough for a wolf Naria to back off and not kill him as it might have pointed towards her? Or is someone trying to frame her here?

Or then Mac is wolf himself. Wolves have been killing their mates many times previously to gain trust (my grandfather has done that too). It is probably one of the boldest strategies but if the bluff succeeds the first Day after the death of the wolf’s “friend” it usually gives the fellow-killing wolf almost an immunity for a long time. I wouldn’t put it past Mac to go for it and this would be the perfect timing: not too early (too many innocents against you) but not too late either (people would be more ready to consider a wolf-on-wolf kill). Mac’s behaviour – with apologies of being a bit too tense – might talk of a nervous wolf killing his mate?

But then Naria might fit the description of wolvery from two fronts. My earlier suspicion of her as the quiet wolf whom the cobbler really tried to save with all cost against Farael’s “lynch the silent” campaign still stands – as she would have been the most obvious silent here anyhow. But also if Mac is innocent, then she was perhaps the only possible wolf who would have had a reason not to kill him. For others killing Mac would have been easy and reasonable. The problem surely resides here: not killing Mac and going for someone else would have been a good kill for the wolf then... But if the wolf did it that way, it must have felt confident, very confident... confident enough to have Mac around one more Dance at least and not to be caught by his eye.

So if it’s not Mac or Naria, we probably should go towards those Mac felt most innocent?

But we should also look more closely at what Celuien said - now as we know she was a wolf. And what Rikae said - even though my gut-feeling says she's one more safe-kill, but still. There could be something in there too...

[Macalaure]

I re-thought Naria's vote.
If she's Celuien's fellow wolf, she would have voted Valier to save her (unless she was very gutsy). It wouldn't have made anybody too suspicious, I think.
If she's Celuien's cobbler, she would have done the same, no doubt.
So, unless she's the other wolf's cobbler (possible, but I have better candidates), she's innocent.

I think Eomer looks very wolvish. He's just as uncontroversial as Celuien was. Would two wolves act exactly the same? I'm not sure. Maybe they trusted on the cobblers to create enough smoke to hide in if they avoid to draw any attention towards them.

Nogrod, I think you make very little sense in your last post. There's somebody else who voted for Celuien who is just as dangerous to the last wolf (probably a lot more) as me and who would have left a lot less trails: mormegil! What you say seems to me like you're purposefully trying to lead the village along the wrong track, Cobrod. ;)

I still think Farael looks very cobblerish, too. Everybody else looks more or less innocent to me but, as you might guess, that might quickly change.

I fear Rikae was just another safe kill (seems to be their strategy), but I'll have another look at what she said.

[mormegil]

Well I'm rather glad my vote counted and that it was allowed by Celuien :p . To be honest I'm surprised that I'm alive. Mac is looking interesting to my by reading that last post, he is taking any suspicion and trying to glance it and divert any investigation his way. Also Naria and Valier are up to something, probably cobblers but I don't trust them and would be happy with them dead.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

When I broke the tie between Mormegil and Kath on the first day, it was because neither was particularly suspected and I felt that a single lynching served us better.

However, on Day 2, the double lynching was due to be Celuien and Valier. Both of them were highly suspected by the village.

So why did Naria feel the need to save one of them?

Why the drama in voting for Mormegil and then changing it to Celuien so soon after, and right at the end?

And why was there a :p in her swiftly changed vote? A defiant pose in realising that the jig is up?

Everything about that girl is suspicious.

[mormegil]

Oh and I want a second to gloat...Celuien is dead! I knew she was a wolf even before the day began...maybe I am a seer! ;) :smokin:

[Nogrod]

Mac is looking interesting to my by reading that last post, he is taking any suspicion and trying to glance it and divert any investigation his way. Also Naria and Valier are up to something, probably cobblers but I don't trust them and would be happy with them dead.Almost exactly my words too... As I said yesterDance Naria and Valier seem suspicious, Naria more of wolvery, Valier more of cobblery. I've experience with those two playing together and last time they bluffed the whole village nicely.

And Mac, really. If you are innocent you played astonishingly well last Dance, but there are reasons to keep an open mind here. I'm not of the type that gets irritated when suspected when innocent. No way. But when I'm talked nonsense about, then I may be a bit frustratedI think you make very little sense in your last post.I happen to think the contrary. I'm still a bit surprised you're alive after yesterDance - if you're innocent. And if you aren't? Well that would settle it...

Secondly. I have been looking through Celuien's posting and have found at least one interesting thing. Celuien made an analysis on Kitanna and laid a judgement over her death the first thing yesterDance. Now why would a wolf do that if not hoping to lead us astray? And what could she be hiding? She was of the opinion that Kitanna's death was a "no trail left behind" -one. So it was the contrary, a death for a reason or another? And yes Kitanna was suspicious of you Mac. I can't see her suspicion a major one, but that would even make it more clean to a wolf-Mac. To kill her then and being able to point out that I'm not this clumsy if it ever came to the question.

Anyhow. If Celuien was trying to divert us in her analysis on Kitanna, there could be other possible explanations too, but I will have to see to them before I say more... There seems to be a lot of possibilities in the air right now and only one wolf to catch.

[Naria]

So why did Naria feel the need to save one of them?
I didn't "feel the need" to save anyone. I crossed posted with Mac and when I saw what was going on, I retracted. If my memory serves me correct, my forefathers have been known to oblige a lynch campaign at the end of a Day.

A defiant pose in realising that the jig is up?
Nope, just a sticky-out-tongue smiley. By the way, I do tangos not jigs :p


Everything about that girl is suspicious.
Care to elaborate?

I'll be back with more in a bit.

[Valier]

I just want to comment on a few things....I too have had the same thoughts as Nogrod, but after reading through his posts and having some thoughts of my own, I do think that Mac may be innocent. He was one of the first to push for Celuien to be killed if I remember correctly.

Also Naria and Valier are up to something, probably cobblers but I don't trust them and would be happy with them dead.

*pouts* You want me dead? just like that? I understand that everyone is suspicious in this game even if they are innocent, but I STILL don't see what makes me so suspicious that you will be happy to just see me dead. If I am an innocent, will you feel bad? By your behavior Morm I do think you are an innocent...just misguided. About Naria, I'm not quite sure I get a bad vibe from her, and I know I am not in Cobblery or any kind of evilness with her as my cohort.

I do seem to notice that there are quite a few players who have had no light shed on them. I think today would be a good day to have a look at some of our assumed "innocents" and my not so sures on the list below.

So I still need to do quite a bit of rereading since the holiday has been so busy. I will be back, but I want to post this new list of mine...

Baddies?
Farael
Eomer

Innocents?
Mormegil
Macalaure
Folwren
Nogrod

Not so sure (need to be looked at, subject to major changes)
Holby
Cailin
Naria
Lalwende

Mind you my lists change quite frequently, but I thought I would post them so people know where I stand. I can give reasons for where I put people, but I have some things to do now, so if anyone has questions just ask.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

You did indeed cross-post with Mac. So please tell what it was that Mac said that made you change your vote. As far as I can see he said nothing revolutionary.

I don't need to elaborate. Your voting behaviour yesterday was suspicious. There's nothing more to it.

:p

Smilies always mean something.

[Macalaure]

And Mac, really. If you are innocent you played astonishingly well last Dance, but there are reasons to keep an open mind here. I'm not of the type that gets irritated when suspected when innocent. No way. But when I'm talked nonsense about, then I may be a bit frustrated
I think you make very little sense in your last post.
I happen to think the contrary. I'm still a bit surprised you're alive after yesterDance - if you're innocent. And if you aren't? Well that would settle it...

Thanks for the flowers. :)
Don't worry, I'm keeping an open mind. I'm carefully considering your points, but I keep on not seeing them. I'm increasingly convinced that the wolf likes to remain in the dark by lynching those who don't leave trails. I think I did leave a couple of those. morm on the other hand doesn't (except towards Valier). Why aren't you surprised that he is still alive? He's craftier than I and leaves less trails. Save kill in my mind.

[Naria]

So please tell what it was that Mac said that made you change your vote.
It wasn't what he said, but what was going on. I know a lynch campaign when I see one...'nuff said.

Smilies always mean something.
Yup, sometimes they do and I did mine because I did what I was asked even if it meant that I was going to have to face the music the next Dance.

[Nogrod]

Celuien has posted somewhat a lot and I have disregarded all those "x-posted with a lot, nothing to add" posts etc. and will only look at posts that I think merit a second look.

Dance1
#15 Distrust on Folwren and Eomer. As a first post this is the best place to show your suspicion on a fellow, I would say. But nothing concrete here otherwise.

#18 I'd agree that it hasn't been uncommon for wolves to use quiet folks to their advantage, so I would be inclined to choose from the quiet ones first...unless someone noisy catches my attention.Nice and sweet, but still a bit leaning towards lynching the quiet ones. So her mate is a loud one - or a quiet one? Hard to say that early in the game.

#27 Thinking that the wolves should be very careful. Now she herself was very careful. Would that mean that her fellow in crime is too - or just the contrary? I would be inclined to see the latter the more believable one. So Cel says wolves are careful - as she is - and tries to thence divert our eyes from the more "open" players?

#69 Thoughts about almost all.
The quarrel between morm and Rikae is nothing.
Morm seems normal but bears watching.
Kath seems to be normal Kath. No alarm bells.
Farael seems like the usual innocent Farael.
Rikae is defensive but probably innocent just because of that.
Nogrod is the usual Nogrod. Helpful, analytic. Not suspicious.
Lalwende feels innocent, not familiar with her in werewolf.
Kitanna is another who does not alarm at all.
Macalaure seems not particularly out of line for day one behavior, and he did suggest the entirely reasonable modification to the lynch the silent ones plan of lynching those who say least when they do appear. *shrugs* He doesn't seem suspicious.
Eomer is a clear werewolf and should be lynched immediately.
Cailín seems calm and isn't really appearing odd.
Holbytlass is another who seems innocent.
Folwren is elegant and stoic. Not suspicious.

Now what to say of this other than what Mac already said: overtly nothing! But two things strike me here. First her open suspicion on Eomer with no grounds than the past that could be compared to her first post thing. At least it strikes out from there, but more like framing. The second one is her need to actually explain in more length why Mac is innocentish (and dare I say the thing Cel hails there is a most commomplace thought indeed - no one is so stupid as to lynch people on the numerical post count anyway). She spoke of some others with almost as great a lengtht but they were different things (see her points on morm, Rikae & Farael).
NB. Naria and Valier do not appear in her list...

Then there was this thing about cobblers that was (mis)understood?

#101 Votes for morm because at this point, morm's behavior is jumping out at me the most and also because he thought Valier is a cobbler.

#137 She continues her rant with morm and gives an analysis on Kitanna, arguing that the kill was a "no trail left behind"-one. But why? Was it random indeed?

The people we could lift up from Kitanna's posting according to Celuien are Rikae (she's unsure about, voted for her), morm (casts a mostly random vote as she she disagrees with him and has earlier history of not trusting him), Eomer (she disagrees with morm's judgement as she suspects him), Mac (she suspected him) and Lalwendë (voted for her). Then she claims the wolves picked her for no trails left...

Dance2
#151 Thinks that Farael is the way he is (thence not a baddie? maybe she realised he was her cobbler now?). Says Kitanna's death puts Lalwendë into the innocent category. Thinks Valier a bit jumpy and worth looking (which never came...)

#156 Argues that Rikae's suspicions about Farael using the reverse-psychology (attacking the silent ones with so much fervour that would make others go the other way) are too far fetched. Admits that that kind of tactics would force the wolves to pick those who are not leaving tracks. Well why does she come back to this again?

#171 Vote for Valier because of jumpiness and defenciveness (easy target as she was not the first one to arouse that suspicion). Then there are again points about us others in the game.
morm is kind of relieved, although with some caution.
Lalwendë is brought forwards as a possible suspicion.
Farael is given a relif of sorts, using that to ground her vote on Valier.
Rikae, Folwren, Cailin, Holby, Mac and Nogrod all strike me as more innocent than not, though mathematically speaking it wouldn't surprise me to find a cobbler somewhere in there.Much as I hate to admit it, Eomer doesn't seem wolvish.
I can't really get a feel for Naria.?

In the end she thought it fit to answer my very slight question about voting early but still hanging online. Nice to see it got feedback from a wolf. Another one who answered that pretty innocent question was Mac...

But what to say of all this? A moment of thinking and then I'll try to say something.

[Nogrod]

Don't worry, I'm keeping an open mind. I'm carefully considering your points, but I keep on not seeing them. I'm increasingly convinced that the wolf likes to remain in the dark by lynching those who don't leave trails. I think I did leave a couple of those.You should wash your glasses if you are wearing ones... :)

But what of Celuien pulling the effort of trying to explain the death of Kitanna in just those terms? We now know she was a wolf and was trying to make us think the way that suited the villains (remember, she was in no danger when she said so)! I'm not sure if your insistence on this calls more of a wolf or an innocent... I myself tended to think the kills as a "no tracks left behind" ones untill I counted together Celuien's post and her wolvery...

And your trails left behind? I already wondered at you mentioning leaving them yesterDance (as I got home RL and read through what had happened). What trails did you leave or were you just posturing as one who was leaving them? You basically said that most people were innocentish or could be anything! I wouldn't call that leaving a trail...

But yes. If you're innocent, I would really like to have you among us. I'll try to look at my Celuien summary first.

[mormegil]

Mac, care to explain why I would vote for Celuien when I wouldn't be here if I were either her fellow wolf or a cobbler? It's not that desparate yet to do that plus being that there is only two wolves I wouldn't do that until a little later...you are grasping at straws here Mac. I am willing to sacrifice my life if it is agreed that Mac will go with me. If Mac is only the cobbler, which is possible, I request a double lynching of Valier and Naria...they both stink of collusion and are possibly in cahots too.

[mormegil]

I had an epiphany right about now...I was and remain surprised that I'm alive becuase I figured that I would generally be viewed as innocent, which seems to be the general consenus. So why would I be left alive? Well to use as a scapegoat is one possibility, and low and behold who is attacking me despite all logic? Macalaure, probably the final wolf.

++Macalaure

[Naria]

As I was reading the posts to see what Cel had said, I came across this
He was about to continue credulously when suddenly a vision of his forefathers stroke him. He saw an ancestor of this Celuien lynching his own kin in times long past! Macalaure's face petrified in shock and in horror he withdrew from her.
I thought it odd when I read it the first time, but I passed it off as firstDance posting. What I also found odd was how Mac was so sure of Cel's guilt and pushed to get her killed. With what he said in the above quote and what happened yesterDance makes me uneasy about Mac now. Mac could you explain how you knew even on Dance1?

[Macalaure]

Slowly there, morm.

First off, I am not using you as a scapegoat, because I have never called you suspicious at all! In fact, you're a firm member of my own current innocents list. I only used you to show why Nogrod's reasoning fails in my mind. If I am suspicious by his reasoning, then so should you. Yet, you are not. I guess I didn't make that clear. :)

Maybe, if you all have a different opinion, I'm just misguided. *shrugs*

And would anybody explain to me why I, if I am the last wolf, should have voted Celuien? I not only voted her (when only morm has voted for her), but pretty actively urged everyone else to do so as well. Do you really think I would spoil Celuien's fun like that just to win, especially when she was my partner-in-evil?

Mac could you explain how you knew even on Dance1?I didn't. :D
That post was purely in fun and purely random.

[Nogrod]

Well. First of all I find it very fishy that Celuien spends so much space to argue that the wolves are careful and kill carefully as not to leave tracks. I would like to remind you that when she went off for RL reasons the last Dance she was not under any actual threat of lynching herself (only the vote from Morm). So she could have been confident enough and trying to lead us astray. Then her companion might be someone who is in the middle of discussion and the kills are having a point, how superficial they might seem? What I mean: the kills may not have an imminent point as they might be calculated considering it. I have yet to see a game where a wolf would like to kill off someone who suspected her/him slightly. It's too obvious as we all know. But why not to take advantage of this shared sentiment in this kind of situation?

So I'm a bit more inclined to believe there is a point in the wolf-kills than not, but possibly a more straightforward one than we are used to.

It's also noteworthy that on Dance1 she votes for morm partially because he thought Valier being the cobbler but on Dance2 she votes her herself! So trying to frame Morm on Dance1 and then choosing the easy vote the next Dance? So even if we thought of her as the most careful one, she seemed to be able to make dubious steps...

She uses Farael to back her conviction that the wolves will pick ones who don't leave a trail. Also she kind of relieves him after a Night's thinking. So she was then assured of his cobblery? (we don't know if she was right with that, but anyhow)

Her early "unbased" suspicions on Eomer and then declaring him not to seem wolvish (regrettably, as she made us understand it) and her comment of not getting a feel about Naria should be noted too. And the number of people she "had no hunch about" or "felt confident with" should also be remarked.

[Nogrod]

Macalaure: I'm getting a feeling that you're playing a much less intelligently that I know you could. Now c'mon. Why is this? Do I have to twist this from an ironbar to you (sorry about the Finnish idiom)?
And would anybody explain to me why I, if I am the last wolf, should have voted Celuien? I not only voted her (when only morm has voted for her), but pretty actively urged everyone else to do so as well. Do you really think I would spoil Celuien's fun like that just to win, especially when she was my partner-in-evil?Well you really could spoil it to your own good (and in the end to your shared victory)! Arranging the lynch of your partner in evil would make you look soooo gooood! No one would suspect you and you could sail to the victory through the next Dances. There's no better shield against a lynch than being the one who arranged a lynching of a wolf! Unfortunately there are some "veterans" around to see that kind of bluff-possibility.

I do not say that the idea of a wolf going for his mate is the best case there is in principle (although not impossible or even unfrequent - as my forefathers have some experiences of it) but your reaction to the suggestions of it feel like they reveal something. So why are you, fex. wishing to cling to certain people now as you're under a threat, trying to befriend them and wishing to target others? Isn't that the wolvish tactics par excellance: trying to be nice to many people enough and pin-pointing your suspicions to the few (which you as a wolf know to be innocent). I know I have laid many suspicions on many of you people out there, but that's for the common good. Fex. I do not suspect Folwren so much any more as her defence after my "attack" seemed to be genuine enough. That is the way we can make some reasonable stances on one another: suspicion and returns to them... You're not making the most soothing ones now Mac, sorry to say that as it would have been nice to see you as our hero lastDance...

Just looking at the way you're more trying to find allies than getting to the truth I might quote yourself with morm: First off, I am not using you as a scapegoat, because I have never called you suspicious at all! In fact, you're a firm member of my own current innocents list. I only used you to show why Nogrod's reasoning fails in my mind. If I am suspicious by his reasoning, then so should you. Yet, you are not. I guess I didn't make that clearSo what is this if not only trying to befriend people? I know you enough Macalaure and I know you would not sink this low as to try to talk people to your side if there wasn't something fishy behind it. Were you innocent, you would have acted more graciously and thought about the truth and the best of the village as the first things, not the view of some influential villagers on you yourself...

I'm not loosing my grip on the Valier - Naria -theory as I think it still plausible, but you Mac will top my suspicions right now.

I'm so sorry if I'm wrong but I'm waiting for you to settle this thing with reasonable points before I start to trust you again...

And just before I go to sleep, if anyone has time to look at Rikae, that would be good. I mean, if Celuien the wolf has been so adamant about saying that the kills at Night are safe-ones, so is there something that would speak the contrary?

[Macalaure]

What I see at the moment is:
- a safe wolf kill
- one wolf whose play was concentrated on not offending anyone and not drawing the attention of many people on her
- another safe wolf kill

My assumption is that the second wolf plays similarly as Celuien, therefore my high suspicion of Eomer. He has not said anything that I could point out and proof his wolvishness with. He remains in the back of the scene and only makes some points about people who are already suspected by others - like Celuien did.

Of course, my assumption might be wrong, but I think I'll give it a try.


I'm not sure what to think of the Valier-Naria-conspiracy yet.


Nogrod, befriending? If I thought that morm would fall for something like that I would really be playing unintelligently. morm voted me with a reason that I think was founded on a misunderstanding. This I wanted to tell him.

Maybe it's just my perception of it, but I really feel like you are twisting the truth about me. This is what I would expect you to do as a cobbler (therefore my suspicion of Cobrod): as wordy as usual, elegantly bending the truth to entangle everybody in it, friendly and flattering to not make too many people vote you, only aggressive when you are able to make a really good case. I tried to pin you down over the night, but it's not possible for me. If cobbler you are, then you are a frightening one, if not, I'm sorry about my suspicions.

And of course I know that backstabbing a fellow wolf is a decent tactic, but it's also a little unfair one. If it is foreseeable that a fellow goes down, then it's understandable, but the way I urged her lynching, it would have been a little mean, wouldn't it?

[Farael]

It's quite simple if you look at it... Mormegil was not going to be here during the day, so he voted for his fellow wolf, thinking that a vote that early on was never going to "catch on" anyway, and he could use it later as an excuse for him 'not being a wolf'

You guys are all blind (and quite a bit daft) if you haven't seen this already

++Mormegil


By the way, Folwren... it's now Dance 3 and the game is getting on, so there are now some clues to be picked up... like the one about Mormegil.

I still think my plan had merit.. .the lynching of Celuien was a stroke of good fortune, but if not we would have wasted three lynches. Perhaps it'll work on another game. For now, I shall rest better knowing that there is only one wolf left to worry about.

[Folwren]

Yes, thank you, Farael. I am aware that this is the third dance and that there are probably a great many clues to be picked up on, but I regret to say that I have been too busy to read anything that has happened since the 22nd, except that Rikae was killed and that Celuien was guilty.

-- Folwren

[mormegil]

Farael, you belong on the X-files with all the conspiracy theorists :p . HEY EVERYBODY MORMEGIL INTELLIGENTLY SPOTTED THE WOLF...HE MUST BE GUILTY LET'S GET HIM! Now we've got you Mr. Mormegil, let's take off this mask and see who is really under there...Why it Old Man Withers "And I would have gotten away with it too if it weren't for you meddling kids"

I believe that you are sincere, if not a cobbler but I don't suspect you of lycanthropy. I really believe there is something with Naria and Valier. It seems that a good amount of us, at least Nogrod and I feel this way, though I believe there are others. Mac is also interesting, ergo my vote for him. I may switch it to Naria of Valier...actually that might make sense because they seem to be a bit of a team though Naria is more likely the wolf because my gut feeling was that Valier was the first to initiate the team work between the two. Honestly I'm going on straight instincts and feelings on this one, though I think I'm right because I did the same with Celuien and I nailed her.

[Naria]

Hmm, out of toDance's discussions so far Farael's argument against Morm is holding alot more water(in reflection of what I had stated about Morm yesterDance) than any others so far. I suspected him yesterDance and still do.

And to the Seer wannabe, for myself at least, I can say that you are barkin up the wrong tree. You are grasping at straws now and making a very feeble attempt for a double lynch.

I will cast my first vote. This may or may not change

++Morm

[Naria]

And what's up with your little rant there? I know you were trying to be humorous, but it came across like you just lost it there for a second :p :D

[Cailín]

I wonder at people so easily disregarding Rikae's death as another safe kill. She posted substantially, she had ideas, suspicions and contributed to all discussions. There may not be a lead there, but if a safe kill was in order, I can think of several candidates who fit the profile better than Rikae.

I'm also amazed at how easily suspicion has turned to Morm, whose instincts proved so right the last Dance. Would he have voted for his fellow wolf body in such a manner? Especially considering Celuien's vote for him during the first Dance, that was clearly not intended as a throwaway? I do not think so. I am not underestimating Mormegil here - but there are so many more likely wolf candidates.

The Valier - Naria thing… it is hard to say. My suspicions of Valier that led me to vote for her yesterDance have eased down a little, my suspicions of Naria have gone up. She sealed Celuien's death last Dance with her vote, but the vote was cast in a manner that - I believe - made everyone frown. And now with her vote for Mormegil… On the bright side, she has posted more than ever I remember.

I think Farael is displaying blatant cobblerish behaviour.

Nogrod, on the other hand, has made some very valid points and observations today.

Have to run - I will return later today with more thoughts.

[Nogrod]

I do agree with Cailín and would much prefer seeing Naria walking the plank than morm. That surely is understandable as the votes to morm have been given by one I somewhat suspect of cobblery and the other by one which I suspect could be our last wolf. 'nuff said.

So sad that no one has had time or will to go through Rikae's posting. I'm not having much time right now but will try to see at least her posts from the yesterDance.

[Nogrod]

Rikae's last Dance (this is a speedy one done in haste but I hope it reflects her points accurately enough)

#152 Gives the interpretation of Kitanna’s death to point towards her, Lal and morm. Suspects Valier. Thinks Farael might be a cobbler.

#158 Explains her suspicion on Farael being the cobbler.

#192 Restates her suspicion on Valier’s lycanthrophy and brings new arguments on Farael. Also brings forwards Folwren’s possible wolvishness based on my points about her not wishing to lie directly. Promises to look more closely on Holby and Celuien just because they are not making her suspicious. Thinks there is a connection between Farael’s possible guilt with that of Valier and Naria.

#209 Votes Macalaure after a short pondering of alternatives. Namely: Well, it's down to the choice of Valier and Celuien; if I vote for Cel, it leaves the choice to Naria - which would be interesting.
Or I can vote for somebody else and leave Naria the choice of Valier or a double lynch.
Mac's case against Cel seems like a shot in the dark; sure, she's played it safe, but so have Holby, Cailin, Mac and Nogrod (who is his usual self, nothing more).
If Cel is innocent, Mac's your wolf.

#210 Seeing Naria’s vote on morm goes for a double-lynch by changing her vote to Celuien (Celuien and Valier).

#216 Says she is suspicious of Mac.

#217 And Naria saves Valier...remember that, folks.


So what to say?

She seemed to be heavily suspicious of Valier, Naria and Farael. A little less suspicious on Macalaure. Then she was killed. To lead us to these tracks then? Well, I must say that would be too elementary and obvious. But surely Rikae left tracks so it's not a trailless kill anyhow.

Celuien the wolf wished us to believe the kills were no tracks left behind ones (and so does Mac). Now how about they really point to just the thing they point to. It would have been quite a brilliant wolf-tactics to make that kind of "obvious" kills on those who were on the right tracks and then first trying to downplay that. And if suspected of that, they could always say they wouldn't be that stupid to leave this obvious trail to read.


Surely we have only one wolf left and all those indicated by Rikae can't be wolves. I'm also thinking that even as we would like to see the cobblers off, we should concentrate on the remaining wolf as killing her/him will end the game once and for all.

I hope to be back and believe I'll be able to do that. But just to make sure I will vote now.

++ Naria

After some thought I'm of the opinion that she might be the wolf more probably than Mac - and Mac would be very useful if innocent.

But as I said, this is subject to change as / if I come back.