Admin thread for Werewolf XXXI: The Unknown Enemies

[Meneltarmacil]

Welcome to the thirty-first game of Werewolf to be played here (actually, more than that, as WWJ wasn't included in the "official" saga).

Background: In the lands to the east, beyond the known world, lies a village of Men, nestled in a mountain valley. Yet even in this strange land, evil is lurking. For strange reports have arrived, reports of evil creatures taking the form of Men by day, with few survivors to report on their numbers.

This game has an interesting twist on it, in that the roles are not going to be spelled out for everyone at the beginning of the game. There could be four Wolves, no Seer, two Rangers, a Werebear, a Mythomaniac, or whatever... but the average player will not know.

This is going to be a very large game, and I'd like about 20 players, plus a co-mod to work out a few issues.

You may sign up starting now.

Players
Brinniel (Clumsy blacksmith)
Gil-Galad (Wild Bandito)
Glirdan (Gibbering local hermit who suffers from insomnia)
Legate of Amon Lanc (Uruk chieftan in retirement)
Macalaure (Ninja Wizard)
Mithalwen (Potter)
Meneltarmacil (Time traveler from the future)
Nogrod (Well-known nincompoop-miller who always thinks he's right)
Rikae (Anachronistic motion capture actor)
Roa_Aoife
the guy who be short (Baker)
The Sixth Wizard (Magician who is Lousy and Rubbish)
Thinlómien
xyzzy (Traveling Merchant)

[Boromir88]

I have time...and I like surprises, count me in Menel. Though just as heads up Tuesdays I am going to be extremely busy...other than that I'm in.

[Gil-Galad]

count me in little buddy!

[xyzzy]

After searching for a new forum to play Werewolf on, I found... here!

I'm liking what I'm seeing: a game I'm in right now began with 38 players, two evil teams, two one man teams, and so far 14 days. I like simple games, though... A game I did had about 10-15 conversions, and 2 or 3 rezzes. It came down to two players who ended up being insanely overpowered.

But anyway, I'll stop rambling, and say I'd like to play!

Co-mod? Argh, that's always confusing; I've never understood it. Of course, most of the games I've been in get so insane we'd find one of the mods dead on the ground by about day three.

[Meneltarmacil]

Usually, the mod and co-mod (if the co-mod even exists as an in-game character, which hasn't happened much to my knowledge) automatically die during Night One, so they don't actually play a role in-game.

Anyhow, welcome to the forum, xyzzy. I hope you like it here.

[Brinniel]

Well, I absolutely loved playing my first WW game and am quite anxious to participate in another.

So...I am definitely in. After all, as a newbie to the game, I need as much experience as I can get. :p

[Roa_Aoife]

I'm in. Especially if there's no seer. :p

xyzzy, I think I know what you're talking about, and Werewolf is a little different here. You might want to read through a few of our last games, and the first bit of the main Tol-in-Gaurhoth thread to get a handle on the rules. WW XXX was the last game played, and it's a pretty good example of how typical games go. That game won't be exactly the same as this one, especially with all the surprises promised, but it should give you a pretty good idea of what to expect.

Other than that, good luck!

[Glirdan]

Well, I have a little more time on my hands, so I guess it wouldn't be murder for me to have an attempt at another attempt for a Werewolf game. :rolleyes: Sign me up Menel!

[Rikae]

If anyone was hoping I'd sit the next game out, he or she was sadly mistaken! Sign me up! :D

PS - I love the 'hidden roles' feature...this looks like itll be loads of fun, Menel - I hope I get to stick around a little longer than I did in the last game!

[Nogrod]

As this seems to be somewhat slow to gear up you could count me in too.

I thought of taking a break from werewolf (again), but as this seems to be taking it's time I believe I've had break enough until this begins.

And surprises always make the game more interesting... not automatically better but anyhow much more addictive for those few Days one is alive... :D

[Macalaure]

Menel, what will the day/night deadline for this game be?


(PS: I think you have forgotten Roa in the player list.)

[Meneltarmacil]

List edited, Roa's in. Thanks, Macalaure.

I was thinking 5:00 PM Eastern Daylight Time would work for the Day/Night switch.

Are you thinking of signing up, Mac?

[Macalaure]

Stupid me substracted six hours from the deadline and therefore hesitated. Smart me adds six hours and finds deadline to be perfect.

Count me in!


Btw, that's a really slow going sign-up once more. Come on, folks! :)

[Meneltarmacil]

Well, nine players have signed up, which means eleven more will be needed.

Don't forget to choose an occupation, either.

[Brinniel]

5 pm seems good enough. It should give me enough time to get back from classes, read through the thread, and vote before the deadline. :)

Hmm...I have not done an occupation before. I shall start brainstorming on this...

Eleven more...well, we don't even have half the players yet. Hurry and sign up, people! Right now, I could really use a werewolf game to distract me from this misery I call homework. :rolleyes:

[Gil-Galad]

because of my improv competiton... i have to go with my fave character i made up

Wild Bandito

as my occupation

[Roa_Aoife]

5 pm will be rough for me- I typically won't be off work till 6, which means I'll only be around for the first 8 hours of the day, at best.

Oh well, maybe the wolves will kill me on Night 2 again and the problem will be solved! :rolleyes:

Are we looking for random professions, serious professions, period professions....?

[Meneltarmacil]

Well, I'd say the professions could be either standard village trades such as farmer, blacksmith, etc., or you could try a silly or unusual one like "Gibbering maniac who escaped from the local asylum."

We need more sign-ups, people! Don't let Werewolf die!

[Glirdan]

Oooo! I like the gibbering maniac there Menel! But I don't think that's what I shall be....

Perhaps the gibbering local hermit who suffers from insomnia. Yes...that's what I shall be! :D

[xyzzy]

Occupation, eh? Alrighty, I can do that...

Traveling Merchant!

'Tis a hard life, trying to get poor, mud-slinging peasants to buy your merch'. But I get by with the knowledge that someday a nice young prince will ask to buy the "Secret Wares", and then I shall be rich forever.

...Now to go prince-hunting.

[Nogrod]

Okay.

I will be the well-known nincompoop-miller who always thinks he's right.

Let's see how far I'll get with that...
:)

[Boromir88]

I think I'll be the Last surviving friendly Vampire.

[Thinlómien]

Count me in, please.

This game will never start and Barrow-Downs werewolf-games will never continue unless you get more players. So I'm playing even though I kind of decided to have a pause 'til I have a net access home.

(And if the recruitment and signing in continues at this phase, I might even have it when this game starts... :rolleyes: ;))

[The Sixth Wizard]

I would like to enter this game as my very first Werewolf. I think I have the rules worked out to the full, pretty sure I have the time to spare, want to become a Ghost Prince of Cardolan quicker (hehe, you didn't hear that) and don't object to getting a little addicted! :)

The only real problem is the Day/Night timetable. If by Eastern Daylight Time you mean Eastern USA then my time is ten hours behind in Australia, making the switch at 7am for me. This means that I will need to post between 7pm and 7am (the day and night are 12 hours each, right?) if I'm a Day denizen! I just don't know how this will work as I will probably miss the vote a few times...

[Macalaure]

No need to worry: the days and nights are 24 hours each, so you will have the possibility to play whenever your daily schedule allows. And let me tell you there's nothing better for a good night's sleep than going to bed not knowing whether you'll still be in the game the next morning. ;)

Great to have a new player on board!


Concerning occupation, I will be a... Ninja Wizard!

Flame of Udûn, you shall not pass!
Or I'll poke your nose with throwing stars!

[Gil-Galad]

Xyzzy is the only on so far to have a sane occupation...

[The Sixth Wizard]

Could anyone describe to me what the more complex roles are and how they fit in? For instance, what does a 'werebear' do, or was that just a joke?

[Meneltarmacil]

The werebear's role is pretty simple. The bear (or some other werecreature) kills one villager each night independently of the wolves. The bear is not allied with the wolves and does not know who they are. The bear and the wolves are just as dangerous to each other as they are to the villagers.

I am not saying that there will or will not be another werecreature independent of the wolves in this game, just answering The Sixth Wizard's question.

[Nogrod]

Could anyone describe to me what the more complex roles are and how they fit in? For instance, what does a 'werebear' do, or was that just a joke?I'm not sure if that helps too much as I see Menel's idea is to surprise us in the first place and thence make the game somewhat unpredictable to say the least...

But fex. a werebear should be a baddie who plays for her/his own, eg. apart from the "Wolfgang" ;) (I've never played a werebear-game so this is just an impression) and a cobbler would be a villager who is otherwise innocent but wishes for the wolves to win. Lovers are two players of whom another is a goodie and another is a baddie and when one dies for whatever reason the other goes as well (they can normally PM during the game, within possible limitations). A birthday dreamer gets to dream of the role of someone in the game at a certain Night that is foretold to all and thence changes to the role of the one s/he has dreamt of.

The Mythomaniac I don't remember right now but I think it had something to do with being a role where the one playing it could transform people to her/his side during the Nights... You others who have played a Mythomaniac-game might fill us all in doubt with this one...

And Menel, maybe you should just settle for an average number of players? It might actually take pretty long time to fill this roster of twenty up as it seems that not all ww-players are too happy with too many surprises - I mean otherwise this would be full already?

So please consider.

EDIT: X'd with Menel...

[Meneltarmacil]

I'll cut the number down to 18 for now, and will consider reducing that to 15 if things go on like this for too long.

[Brinniel]

After much thought, I've decided I shall be The Clumsy Blacksmith.

You know, that can be a tad dangerous. I'm so accident-prone, I'm surprised I'm not dead...yet. ;) :rolleyes:

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

C'mon, people, this is really silly, you are coming here like cockroaches to the beer! (it's a Czech proverb. Does it exist in other languages, I wonder?) I cannot just stand and do nothing. Though I thought that it's not good to werewolfe (a verb - "to werewolfe" - past tense "werewolfed") too often, since it costs a lot of time and also the ministry of health warns you: Werewolfing may cause insomnia, paranoia and lycantrophy, I can't simply look at this. It is true I was also worried that this might be a too much big thing to bite into, with all these unknown roles and so on... but who cares. Sign me in! The only thing I would like is that the game started ASAP, since I just happen to have quite good timetable in the following week and if the game does not start until next week, I might have to retreat. So, I strongly recommend everyone to subscribe now!

Oh, and I am very glad that there would be occupations involved in this one. I like that. So, concerning occupation... could I be a Uruk chieftain in retirement? (Menel, if there is any trouble with the Uruk because of the story, then I'll of course be a Man and reconsider the occupation - so tell if this is a problem or not.)

[Meneltarmacil]

A few updates:

Boromir88 has informed me that he will not be playing in this game, so I've removed his name from the list.

Since the sign-up phase has been taking this long, I'm going to drop the required number of players to 15. That means we only need four more people to sign up before the game begins. Hopefully, we can get started soon.

[Brinniel]

Oh no...people are taking so long to sign up we're actually starting to lose players...

Have you tried PMing members, Menel? That seemed to work quite well for Mac's game. I know I wouldn't have joined if I hadn't gotten that PM...

[Boromir88]

I guess I should say my reasoning so everyone can understand...I regret not being able to participate in this game; it's not a time issue, I've been having health problems recently and don't think I can deal with the responsibility of a WW game. I regret not being able to play, as I greatly wanted to try the excitement of these 'mysterious roles,' but as some others have wisely told me my health is more important...and I'll be taking it slow for a while. Sorry again, I really wish I could play in this one.

[The Sixth Wizard]

I think that I would like some reason for you to call me the Sixth Wizard, therefore my occupation shall be Magician who is Lousy and Rubbish :) . Obviously judging by the 'lousy and rubbish' bit the Sixth Wizard is my name for myself not yours.

[Thinlómien]

That's quite understandable, Boro. It's a pity though. I hope you'll get better. :)

Menel, if this game is going to be going on during the Easter weekend, I have to drop out. So maybe you'd better add a questionmark after my name.

Oh no...people are taking so long to sign up we're actually starting to lose players...I know. :(

[Mithalwen]

Are you pausing for Easter or carrying on through?

Mith (a possible, though inadequate, sub for Boro)

[Meneltarmacil]

Okay, I don't want to lose any more players, so I'll put it on pause over Easter weekend.

Would you rather have it stop on Thursday and resume on Monday, or would resuming it on Sunday work?

[Glirdan]

Ummm....Sunday is the actual Easter Holiday and if other's families are as crazy as mine, I know that is the day we shall be having our family gathering/diner.

[Meneltarmacil]

Thursday-Monday break it is, then.

[Nogrod]

Thursday-Monday break it is, then.But will it start before Thursday in the first place? :(

Okay people, a game to go for! C'mon! Don't be shy!

Let's get the thing rolling... it's so much fun when it begins.

[Meneltarmacil]

Okay, either we get fifteen people over this weekend or I'm starting Night One this Sunday at 5:00 Eastern Daylight time with whoever's signed up by then. I'm getting just as tired of waiting around as you all are.

EDIT: I'm also going to PM a few people, as has been suggested earlier.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

And try to send some persuasive PMs to likely candidates for playing, it really helped last time (speaking of personal experience... otherwise I wouldn't be probably even here today!)

EDIT: Seems like I crossed with your editing, or is that you so quickly took my advice? :D

[Nogrod]

EDIT: Seems like I crossed with your editing, or is that you so quickly took my advice? :DAdvices are quickly taken, but who knows of the results and what is to follow? ;)

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Advices are quickly taken, but who knows of the results and what is to follow? ;)
Are you hinting at something, Nogrod? Good we have the smilies, otherwise I'd say that I don't like your tone ;)

[Brinniel]

Question: Why do I have an asterisk by my name on the list? :confused:

I'm glad to see we'll be taking a break for Easter. It'll actually have no huge affect on me (except for the fact I might be doing my film shoot that weekend), but as I suspected, it can be a conflict for many others.

Oh yes, do PM as many members as possible...I'd love to see more players join before we start..

[Meneltarmacil]

Sorry, it should have been on Lommy's name. I've gone back and edited it.

[Mithalwen]

Well I take that to mean you are OK with me playing ..and with a pause to allow for fammilial eventualities...... take that asterisk away Menel - I'm in.. :D

[the guy who be short]

Hmm. When you say you're starting "This Sunday" does that mean tomorrow? If so, I'm in.

And if I'm in, my profession shall be Baker. We all need baked goods, otherwise society would collapse.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Hmm. When you say you're starting "This Sunday" does that mean tomorrow? If so, I'm in.

And if I'm in, my profession shall be Baker. We all need baked goods, otherwise society would collapse.

That's cool, we have a miller already, the only thing we need is some farmer...

Anyway, I'll really be happy to see you on board, tgwbs!

[the guy who be short]

That's cool, we have a miller already, the only thing we need is some farmer...We can collect our wheat from the wild! Problem solved. :D

[Meneltarmacil]

tgwbs has been added, bringing the number of players (not including the moderator) to 13.

Sign-ups will be closed starting Sunday morning at 12:00 AM Eastern time (I won't make a post then though). Roles will be sent out between then and 5:00 PM Eastern time, and Night One will begin at 5. You may still choose occupations until then, though if you don't have one by Night One, I'll make one up for you.

Good luck... (sounds of thunder, lightning, and creepy music)

[xyzzy]

Ooh, I can't wait! I just got killed in a game yesterday. It was annoying, too. I was a freaking troll! You can't kill a troll!

[Meneltarmacil]

Well, looks like I'll be making a post after all.

Sign-ups for this game are now officially CLOSED. Night 1 begins at 5:00 PM Eastern time. Roles will be sent between now and then. If you don't choose an occupation by then, I'll choose one for you. As for myself, my occupation will be Time Traveler from the Future.

[Rikae]

Well, I suppose I should choose a career, then. Confusticate and bebother it, I'm always late for everything, but this time, I'll be ahead of the game. In honor of one of my favorite celebs, I am the "anachronistic motion capture actor". I have absolutely nothing to do, since motion capture won't be invented for several ages yet, but I get to wear a nifty gimp suit and dots on my face.
Let's hunt some werewolf!

[Gil-Galad]

is the game page up? for if it is then i have lost it...

[Mithalwen]

I shall be something simple and useful for a change (unless Menel has chosen something more exotic ).

I shall be a potter.

[Nogrod]

Just to be on the safe side...

The Day/Night transition will take place at 5:00 PM Eastern time. I was about an hour and 45 minutes late here, mostly due to connection issues.So this means that the deadline is 9PM GMT? Sorry, but most of us Europeans are much more comfortable with the GMT than with the different American timezones (we have different zones here in Europe also and need to calculate them too).

[Roa_Aoife]

Wow. My internet has been down for almost a week, and I was seriously worried I'd missed Day 1 and been killed for it...:eek: It seems we got things working just in time.

So this means that the deadline is 9PM GMT?

That would be correct.

[Thinlómien]

Don't expect much activity from me on Day1. :) As probably everyone knows nowadays, I have no net access home. Tomorrow (RL) it's the exam week in my school and I have no school at all. No school = no school computers. I will go to a library to be around here (in BD) for some time, but as I have to study for the next exams and I've promised to see my friends, my library visits will most probably be limited to one visit of one or two hours.

[Thinlómien]

Remember to turn yourselves invisible, fellows! :) *glares at the lousy magician* ;)

[Mithalwen]

Just to be on the safe side...

So this means that the deadline is 9PM GMT? Sorry, but most of us Europeans are much more comfortable with the GMT than with the different American timezones (we have different zones here in Europe also and need to calculate them too).
Err but is that Eastern standard time ie -5GMT or are you on daylight saving? UK is now on British Summer Time GMT +1

I had a panic becasue I couldn't connect to the downs last night, drove to a cybercafe in lunchtime..to find it was still night.....

So just to clarify the easter break ..we will have day 2 finishing on Thursday and then a what very long night? I want to organise various social events around it but my RL friends funnily enough don't understand that my availability is dependent on WW s ... :D

[Meneltarmacil]

Well, I am on Daylight Savings Time here in the U.S., so the transition will be at 9:00 PM GMT. GMT -5 is Eatern Standard Time, while Daylight Savings Time is GMT -4. If you're on GMT +1, it's a 5-hour difference though.

With people from Europe and even Australia around in addition to myself in the eastern USA, it seems the sun never sets on this game...

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

We do have an hour and a half I presume? With daylight savings GMT is not the same as English time, remember? Or then I'm totally wrong and we are in a hurry. :confused:

Judging from this and many others' questions, would please someone who is more sure than us state the correct time of deadline in GMT?

P.S. It would be good if Menel also posted the correct time of deadline, because from what is up there I am kinda confused. I thought Menel, as well as most of us (confused Europeans) is on Daylight saving time, so the time difference is still the same, so our time is just Menel's +5/+6 (CET).

[Macalaure]

According to the time on Menel's last Day One-post, 1 hour 25 minutes should be left.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

According to the time on Menel's last Day One-post, 1 hour 25 minutes should be left.
That's just the problem, cf. above - I suggest we wait for Menel when he posts the correct time. Because from this I was not wise at all.

Until then, if he does not suddenly say "Deadline", I'll count with what you said :D

[Macalaure]

Menel, do you have anything in mind concerning the removal of players who don't show up?

Will they be removed by you or is it our job to - "care" - for them?



edit: 1000th post!! *faints*

[Brinniel]

I live in Boston, and therefore go by EST. Right now it is 4:00 on the dot, so I can guarantee you, we have one more hour.

[Meneltarmacil]

This Day phase ends in one hour. I'm not entirely certain what the relationship is between different time zones, but the Day will end in one hour.

I don't really have a policy on no-shows. If you don't want them around, go ahead and send them to the gallows.

[Gil-Galad]

i liked the idea of no shows getting the gallows...


edit: 4439th post!

[Glirdan]

Oh come on!! Stoned to death!? Sheez!! And it was my first time being a Wolf too!! Like come on!! :p

So, does this mean I get to join the club?? :rolleyes:

[Meneltarmacil]

Glirdan, as funny as that was, you're dead. Please do not post on these threads until after the game.

Still, you are officially a Fenris Wolf now.

[Rikae]

Sorry about not being around until the last minute - somehow, amid all the discussion of time zones, I got the impression the day ended at 7! I don't know why...it's especially imbecilic on my part because I'm actually in the same time zone as Menel, so there should have been no problem. :rolleyes: Again, sorry!

[Meneltarmacil]

Actually, I had so much trouble getting to the Barrow-Downs yesterday that I had to wait a while before I posted the "start of day" message. I tried to make it clear in that message that I was late, but I guess I should have made it clearer. So it's kind of my fault as well, Rikae.

[Rikae]

Don't worry, Menel, it wasn't you...I think I somehow got the difference between Pacific time & EST mixed up with the difference between EST and GMT, calculated from GMT and added an hour for daylight saving - or something equally convoluted. This might make more sense considering I may have been on my 3rd glass of "hard Gollum juice"* when I read about it.:D

*Honey, lemon, ginger & vodka, on the rocks.

[xyzzy]

I'm having so many noobish moments.

Anyway, with the "He's not posting, he's evil" argument... hmm, no real immediate rebuttal, just a greater show of activity in future times. Luckily, I'm not powerful, so if I get mauled, all the more chance for the rest of the innocents to find the WW's without risking important players. So go ahead, maul me before you maul a dreamer or someone powerful...
Part of the reason I'm not very active right now is the extremely different style of play here from most places were I play WW; I'm still getting used to gameplay here.

Now to go analyze how much people post in each thread; that's an interesting but almost useless statistic which everyone must record.:p

[Roa_Aoife]

Psst, Xyzzy....


Save rebuttals and accusations for the game thread. Right now the admin thread is for strictly out of game issues- such as schedule problems that require you to be away from the game for a while, etc.

We strictly ban references to roles, etc, on this thread. We don't discuss what's happening in the game thread except on the game thread and only during Day phases. You'll know when the Day starts, because Menel will post on the game thread, letting us know what happened during the night.

Perhaps you should PM Menel with how you usually play werewolf, and he can help you figure out where it's different.

[Thinlómien]

How exactly is the pause going to be? Are we going to play day2 before easter or not? And on which day, Monday or Tuesday, will we continue? I'm slightly confused... :)

[Meneltarmacil]

Day Two will begin about 9 hours from now. The pause will come at the end of that Day, and will end 5:00 PM Eastern Daylight Time (that's 10:00 for GMT +1, these timezones are driving me crazy, people being from at least 6 different countries and all...) on Monday with Night 2.

[Gil-Galad]

Day Two will begin about 9 hours from now. The pause will come at the end of that Day, and will end 5:00 PM Eastern Daylight Time (that's 10:00 for GMT +1, these timezones are driving me crazy, people being from at least 6 different countries and all...) on Monday with Night 2.


that will be 3 PM mountain time then... i don't get home till 4 so it should be good...

[Meneltarmacil]

We've only got 15 minutes until the start of Day 2 and the Wolves have not sent me a name yet. If I don't receive a name from them by the deadline, I'll simply choose a villager at random to kill off. Just thought you should be informed.

EDIT: Okay, I'm postponing the deadline for another hour after it was supposed to have been. The wolves have that long to PM me.

FURTHER EDIT: I have now decided to postpone the game indefinitely until I receive a response from the wolves.

[The Sixth Wizard]

We've only got 15 minutes until the start of Day 2 and the Wolves have not sent me a name yet. If I don't receive a name from them by the deadline, I'll simply choose a villager at random to kill off. Just thought you should be informed.

EDIT: Okay, I'm postponing the deadline for another hour after it was supposed to have been. The wolves have that long to PM me.

FURTHER EDIT: I have now decided to postpone the game indefinitely until I receive a response from the wolves.


So we can't post on the thread 'till the wolves get back to you?

[Brinniel]

Does this mean tomorrow's deadline will be delayed as well, or will Day 2 simply be a shorter than normal?

[Meneltarmacil]

Well, I've opened up the game thread anyway, and I decided not to kill anybody off. I'm sorry about all the problems, people.

[Roa_Aoife]

I have to attend a talent show in the morning, and I'm not sure how long it will last. Hopefully there will be enough time between the end of the show and when I have to get to work that I can make it back and post.

Ah, middle schoolers singing Lincoln Park songs. I can't think of a better reason to get out of bed 3 hours earlier than I normally do.

[Thinlómien]

This is quite, quite ridiculous.

But I doubt you will hear any more of me than you heard yesterDay. It's still the exam week and I'll be leaving for my friend's summer house a few hours after school, so there won't be a lot of time for me to play.

I apologise for being this useless and annoying - well, at least I see such drop in, make two posts, vote very early -people as quite annoying :p - but I must say I didn't take the timezones into account and thought we would not be playing today (RL).

If I'm still alive on Day3, I promise to be more productive and less absent!

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Oh, only one thing, Menel, please - could you post here when exactly will the deadline be today? (you can do it in your Eastern Time, I learned to count with it :) )

[Nogrod]

Oh, only one thing, Menel, please - could you post here when exactly will the deadline be today? (you can do it in your Eastern Time, I learned to count with it :) )The clearest way to do it might be that you tell us whether the Day ends in the normal time (when it is a bit shorter one) or whether there is any additional time - and thence how much?

[Meneltarmacil]

It ends at the normal time, and then the Easter break starts. Night 3 begins on Monday at the usual time.

You can PM me names and such over the weekend as well as on Night 3.

[Roa_Aoife]

For the convenience of everyone, and clear all further confusion:

http://www.worldtimeserver.com/convert_time_in_MS.aspx

Enjoy. ^_^

[xyzzy]

Oh, you rock, Roa!

Okay, I figured out I have to vote immediately after the day begins, which is terrible for strategy, but it's the only time I can vote. This schedule is killing me...

[Meneltarmacil]

Actually, I can change the schedule over the weekend if you'd like. What does everyone think would be a good time to start/end the Days?

[Brinniel]

Hmm...the deadline right now is quite perfect for me, but perhaps I'm the only one.

Maybe we should make it an hour later? That may help Gil and xyzzy who are on MST and CST. I don't know when Sixth usually gets up, but an 8am deadline isn't so early as 7. Of course, this could be problematic for the Europeans...I don't know how much of a late-nighter you guys are...

If you do change the deadline, I ask you to please please not make it any earlier than it is now. Because then I'll have to start voting early too, and I'm sure it won't be very convenient for the other Americans either...

Man, these time zones are annoying. I think no matter what we do, the deadline's going to be problematic for somebody. Sigh...

[Roa_Aoife]

An hour later would give me a chance to be around at deadline. No garuntees, but I do get off work early when the ratios are low. Or high, depending on how you look at it.... I agree with Brinn, though, earlier is not better.

[Gil-Galad]

all i know is that we start and end at 3 PM which is grand for me because i get home at 4 so there is an hour for you guys to post

[xyzzy]

On Tuesdays and Thursdays, I get home at 1830 CDT (GMT-5), or 2330 GMT, so any time after that is good. If that's too late, I'll just vote sometime around 1900.

...My schedule stinks!

[Roa_Aoife]

Speaking strictly from previous games, 6 PM eastern time (10 PM GMT) is usually the best compromise all around. It gives a good number of people in the Western hemisphere time to post after work/school, while not being too late at night for most people in the Eastern hemisphere. (The exceptions being Lhuna and Nilp, but not much can be done there.)

Night 3 begins on Monday at the usual time.

Why not start with Day 3? It'd help move things along.

[Mithalwen]

I quite like the deadline where it is .....I couldn't stay later realistically... .dunno about Noggin and Legate ..even later fro them but at least they are at home (as far as I know...)

[Meneltarmacil]

OK, Roa's idea seemeth like a good one. Day 3, not Night 3, beginneth on Monday.

[The Sixth Wizard]

For the convenience of everyone, and clear all further confusion:

http://www.worldtimeserver.com/convert_time_in_MS.aspx

Enjoy. ^_^

Yay, at last someone posts a site like this. Kudos to Roa!

[Roa_Aoife]

I quite like the deadline where it is .....I couldn't stay later realistically... .dunno about Noggin and Legate ..even later fro them but at least they are at home (as far as I know...)

It really doesn't make much of a difference to me either way- it just would have been nice to have a chance to be around at the end of the day.
So if it's too much of a problem to others, it can stay where it is.

[Nogrod]

OK, Roa's idea seemeth like a good one. Day 3, not Night 3, beginneth on Monday.I do hail this decision too. Good idea.

About the timetables: The one we have now is pretty alright to me as it is midnight here in Finland. That's something I can handle pretty easily. An hour more is bearable too as from this on I will not have any early morning lessons (the earliest will begin at 10AM from this on).

So if an hour more gives chances to some players, to me it's perfectly fine.

[Meneltarmacil]

I'm thinking it might be best to move the deadline to one hour later than it is now. Would that be alright with everyone here?

[The Sixth Wizard]

I seem to be confusing when it comes to timetables, so I 'd like to say 'fine by me'.

I do hail this decision too.

Doth hail? :D

[Meneltarmacil]

I think it's "I do," "Thou dost," and "He/she doth" in Ye Olde Shakespearean Englishe, speaking as Ye Olde Knighte of games past.

[Brinniel]

Very well, "I do" then. :cool:

6:00 does actually make a better deadline for me because then I'll have an extra hour to post after my classes, and I won't feel so rushed. The only day where I'd probably have to vote early is Friday (if I'm still around by then) since that day I usually work til 5. But nothing can really be done by that, so I won't worry about it. :rolleyes:

So, Day 3 starts tomorrow at 6pm EST. Is that correct?

[Meneltarmacil]

I'm still waiting for a little more input, but that's the plan so far.

[Gil-Galad]

then its 4 pm MST i'm taking it...

[Macalaure]

One hour later makes it 12 pm instead of 11 pm for me. I'm okay with that. Who needeth sleep. ;)

I won't be able to put in a quick post just after the deadline, though, but I think I'll survive that.

[Roa_Aoife]

This one is a bit more specific.
http://www.worldtimeserver.com/convert_time_in_US-PA.aspx?y=2007&mo=4&d=9&h=18&mn=0

Just use the pull down menu over the second time to find your location. The time converter when Day 3 starts in your own time.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

So, Day 3 starts tomorrow at 6pm EST. Is that correct?
So, it's midnight for me. Whatever, at least in this case, it's okay for me. I might wait for the deadline or not, according to situation (not only in-game, but mine), so it might lighten up somehow the last-minute mess.

[Nogrod]

Also, when times for playing are given in GMT everyone can check them from the bottom of her/his own pages of the Barrow-Downs, anyone of them. Just scroll down enough.

Fex. in my page there reads now:
All times are GMT +3. The time now is 07:32 PM.

EDIT: So we are going from 9PM GMT to 10PM GMT right now... just check what it means from the bottom of your own page.

[Nogrod]

so it might lighten up somehow the last-minute mess.I don't think it lightens up the last-minute mess as it brings more people involved - but that's just good. The more people are able to stay until the deadline the more voices there are on the decisive moments and the more there is to investigate the day after.

But I must also agree with Macalaure, that this will reduce the possibility of me posting in the beginning of the Day. It's not downright impossible to be sure. But that's nothing compared to the benefit of getting more people around on the ends of the Days.

So a good idea, I think.

[Nogrod]

Important information concerning Lommy.

She called me and asked me to bring forwards the following:

She had a catastrophic day at the library with the time-limited computers and lost all her work. And finally the computers stopped all co-operatiion and she left for home frustrated.

So we shall be hearing no more of her toDay.

[Thinlómien]

Important information concerning Lommy.

She called me and asked me to bring forwards the following:

She had a catastrophic day at the library with the time-limited computers and lost all her work. And finally the computers stopped all co-operatiion and she left for home frustrated.

So we shall be hearing no more of her toDay.
Thanks Nogrod for explaining, I'll elaborate a little more.
I was ill, so I didn't go to school. (And I normally play in school during the breaks.) As I don't have a net access home, the situation looked pretty hopeless. Anyway, I headed for a library to make even some posts. I didn't manage to reserve a computer for more than half an hour or fifteen minutes at a time. I used some of my library time to read the hordes of e-mail I had got for one project. Then, I spent a lot of time switching computer and copying and pasting parts of my post to my e-mail. It also took me very long to read the thread through, since I hadn't read everything from even Day2. So, when after spending about two hours in the library and almost having written one long post, three minutes before my time with the computer automatically log me out and it would be some other person's turn, the computer stuck. I was't able top copypaste the things I had written and so I lost two thirds of everything I had written during the library visit. At that phase I was really frustrated and thought of going home, but I decided to make a short post and vote first. However, all the free computers remaining - so I guess the whole system - failed to co-operate with me. They didn't open Mozilla Firefox (the computer babbled something about program being already running and thus unable to be reopened) or Internet Explorer (the computer stuck on loading the program for more than five minutes, while it normally takes less than a minute to load the program). So I gave up and went home, and if I hadn't bought hordes of chocolate from the nearby shop, I doubt I'd be sane. Sorry for über-long post, but I felt I should explain. :)

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Oh, we understand it, that happens, Lommy. Sometimes the technic just mutinies against us. :)

[Thinlómien]

...but this one is an exception. ;) How typical of me to get killed just before the day I would have had most time - and possibly most fun. Anyway, what else did I have? Oh, yes, now I remember: I'm a much better seer than Mac since he needs some ghastly dinosaur to find out about things, but I can see the future just by myself: 11. What do you think about the person who last took the survey?
I'm not sure who did this last, but I guess it was Mac/russandol. (At least he was the one I stole this from.) A really nice guy, but as a word of warning: he's a scary werewolfer. I can't help thinking that the time I really am a ww, it's he who's going to nail me. Mac knows a lot about Tolkien's work and it's lovely to discuss with him.
:D

Anyway please nail the remaining wolf/wolves soon of let him/her/them kill you soon: I'm eagerly waiting for post-game discussion! *jumps up and down*

[The Sixth Wizard]

To my fellow Werewolvers!

My sincere apologies for not getting back to you yesterDay. I was happily posting on the 'Downs when I realised that the power meter on my laptop was going down instead of up. Upon closer inspection I found that the power cord wasn't charging it. The laptop proceeded to hibernate, with me watching helplessly.

The battery I am running on now is a spare I just found, but I don't think it has more than 2 hours running time left. Once again sorry for not voting, and I'll try to get this fixed as soon as possible.

Must log off soon, every second typing is a second of battery power! :D

[Thinlómien]

But since you discussed it yesterDay, I feel like I should say a few words now and not save it to the post-game discussion.

My words about Legate being like a hog on laughing gas, or something like that, were not meant as an insult. I'm very sorry and sad if someone took them as such. They were meant as banter, or as a lively way of voicing my opinion about Legate's different (from the last game) wilder/crazier/more joking playing style. I am sorry if they were, or were interpreted as, offensive - that was definitely not my purpose. So my apologies to you all, and especially to Legate.

Language can be a difficult thing. :(

:)

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

It was no trouble, Lommy, I didn't take it as offensive (though I didn't like the formulation much, to be honest :p ). Well, and yes, language can be a difficult thing, I can quite understand that. No problem with that. :) You can read on the game thread what I replied when they brought it back.

[Rikae]

In answer to questions about my posting volume -

three of my classes are on Tuesdays and Thursdays; hence, I'm in school from 2PM-10PM GMT those days. Fridays I have only one morning class; from then onwards I'm free ('til bedtime at about ...7 am Saturday, GMT). I can be expected to post a lot more on MWF than on TTH.
Actually, that'll only be true for two more weeks, then...THE SEMESTER ENDS! :D

[Nogrod]

Actually, that'll only be true for two more weeks, then...THE SEMESTER ENDS! :DYou lucky bastard! :D I have untill the beginning of June until the summer-vacation starts.

And I know many people would tell me that I should shut up with my 2½ month summer-holiday. But unluckily that holiday can be seen in my salary every month of the year when I'm as well working...

-------

Later toDay I will be a bit less involved as my daughters are here spending a weekend for a long time (yes, Lommy too, but we will just have to stay calm and not talk of the game until it ends), but I try to do my best anyhow.

[Meneltarmacil]

Hey, dead people! Please stop posting here.

[The Sixth Wizard]

I'm back! My laptop has resumed charging up fortunately. I shall take some time to read over the current posts and will be hopefully more active from now on. Sorry for any inconvenience caused. (hehe sounds like a delay at the airport :rolleyes: )

[Nogrod]

I'm back! My laptop has resumed charging up fortunately.Good to see you back!

[Rikae]

You lucky bastard! :D I have untill the beginning of June until the summer-vacation starts.

I deserve it, though; my school starts the fall semester in the middle of August, and is very stingy with the winter and spring breaks. I'm completely burned out by now!
The weird thing is, it's still snowing here....
oops, sorry, I'm getting chatty. Back on topic...Menel: any chance of an early final narration, so the dead can join the fun?

[Mithalwen]

I don't think there has been a game where all the gifted have been quite so effective - to have a Seer and ranger alive at the end is remarkable .. and of course a Hunter can only have full effect when attacked - so that was a very nice lure, Roa, which bought us an extra day .. unfortunate that we used it to kill Leggy not Xyzzy ......

[Gil-Galad]

i jsut realized, in every werewolf game i've been in, not once has the seer ever dreamed about me... but still it was a good game, i participated more but you silly villagers still lynched me, i probably won't be a wolf for awhile because i'm not a stable character and every mod wants a good game... but still...


i remember my first game, i was lynched first day, i was so unbelivably mad at everyone... i know its a game but it hurts at time when people never understand you


so yarr... i'm ready for the next game, i have goal in WW and i won't stop playing it till i achieve this goal.

[Rikae]

Mith - that's because we had a fantastic hunter & seer, and the ranger had a good "mentor" for most of the game!

I think the wolves were at a disadvantage, so I won't gloat too much. The way the roles fell, with the amount of time the good guys could put in vs. the bad guys, and that first missed kill; well, I think perhaps no one could have won in those circumstances.

[Rikae]

, i probably won't be a wolf for awhile because i'm not a stable character and every mod wants a good game... but still...

I always thought the roles were randomly chosen! I guess that makes the fact that I've had special roles in the last three games rather flattering, where I just thought it was coincidental!

[Macalaure]

I always thought the roles were randomly chosen!I think some mods make it random, some don't. But the ones who don't will never admit that. :Merisu:

[Mithalwen]

i jsut realized, in every werewolf game i've been in, not once has the seer ever dreamed about me... but still it was a good game, i participated more but you silly villagers still lynched me, i probably won't be a wolf for awhile because i'm not a stable character and every mod wants a good game... but still...


i remember my first game, i was lynched first day, i was so unbelivably mad at everyone... i know its a game but it hurts at time when people never understand you


so yarr... i'm ready for the next game, i have goal in WW and i won't stop playing it till i achieve this goal.


I think we will begin to get used ot you participating more ... and Xyzzy has stepped into your old role so no going back ;) But I knew I was innocent and you were so fixated on me that it looked like you were stitching me up. Then Legate's theory that if you weren't a wolf I probably was helped me suspect him....

And no wonder paranoia set in ... with so many innocents after my blood! .... at least the suspicion would have kept me alive at night .... had circumstances been other ... do you realise that the villagers killed as many innocents than the wolves? Apart from the token mod kill to get the ball rolling they only got Brinniel and Roa which was rather a pyrrhic victory.

So could the ranger and hunter were able to communicate it seeems ... during the day or all the time?

Was Roa an "intelligent" hunter?


Were there any other tweaks we are unaware of .. cursed for instance?

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Well anyway, good game it was! I liked the roleplaying, at least at start, later, as probably always, it proved to be unmaintainable as the thrill of the game and the rush rose. Shame that there were too few people and Menel couldn't use his "special surprises", though the game was, as someone already said, paranoid enough even without them. Mainly because of Nogrod, whose rumbling even till the end about lovers and false seers and double-plots was really great :D

Gil, buddy, sorry for sending you to lynch, but I thought Lommy needs to have chance to speak, even though she was the most suspicious to me... however, seeing this matter was eventually solved by our great Hunter, it went to good end... even the dead may rejoice. I would also like to congratulate to our Ranger Rikae for bright thinking and also to Mac the Seer, who bought me by his innocent behavior near the very start.

And many apologizes to Six for suspecting him - but reviewing your posts, it seemed really like a "simple" wolvish behavior - and when you yourself said you don't think you are much into the game yet, I didn't expect any complicated schemes from you as a wolf and took your unfortunate innocent behavior as a newbie-wolvish performance. It paid me off, though, I ended lynched for suspecting you - so you may feel satisfaction on my part.

And xyzzy, I understand what you meant by having trouble with people using the "in the games before, this person behaved differently..." reasoning. I also didn't like it when I played for the first time (this is only my second game), but now I realized if you want or not, if you know the people, it at least partially influences your thinking, even subconsciously, even if you don't want it. But I don't like when people use it too much (you cannot even analyze a Wolf trying to cast suspicion on someone because of this if you don't know the person as well), though if you played as many games as most of these folks did, it is probably only natural for them.

So, the final thanks once again to Menel for good game and the question is... when does the next game start? :D

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Then Legate's theory that if you weren't a wolf I probably was helped me suspect him....
Actually, if you thought this, then we made a little enclosed circle. Because my reasoning ultimately streamed from that you were accusing each other the way I thought two innocents would never do. So if you based your final decision on Gil after me, you based it only on what I based on you :D

[Mithalwen]

And you have never been in a game where two innocents tore each other apart? :rolleyes: No ? Well you ahve been lucky!!! And you do have to bear in mind that Gil had participated so much more in recent games which is great but it is disconcerting ....... sinceI knew he couldn't be the seer (because I was innocent) , it did make me think he might be a wolf ..

And the last minute thing freaked me out. The first time Nogrod played he was Seer and I was a wolf and we really had this amazing "who blinks first" moment when either could have got the other lynched.. I have a feeling we killed Gil again then ... Mus tswitch the default setting form "if in doubt kill Gil" :Merisu:

[Gil-Galad]

And you have never been in a game where two innocents tore each other apart? :rolleyes: No ? Well you ahve been lucky!!! And you do have to bear in mind that Gil had participated so much more in recent games which is great but it is disconcerting ....... sinceI knew he couldn't be the seer (because I was innocent) , it did make me think he might be a wolf ..

And the last minute thing freaked me out. The first time Nogrod played he was Seer and I was a wolf and we really had this amazing "who blinks first" moment when either could have got the other lynched.. I have a feeling we killed Gil again then ... Mus tswitch the default setting form "if in doubt kill Gil" :Merisu:


the main reason i focused so hard on you is that it ticked me off with your small posts with your defense and nobody paid attention to me, i was beginning to get sick and tired of being ignroed in every WW game for nonsense that i tried to bring flavour into the mix, and i still got ignored and worngly-lynched... again...

oh and rikae, it is up to the mod, usually they would want to spice it up and pick people they think will be good for the certain role, i have been a wolf once - killed second day, so i'm a half-fenris wolf - and hunter once, where i was lynched off by the village, and after my lynching, the vilalge basically screwed themselves over...

[Thinlómien]

Hmmm... it seems the post-game discussion is going on in two places... Menel, would you like to specify which place you'd prefer the chat to take place in?

[Meneltarmacil]

OK, post-game discussion will take place on the game thread from now on, not the admin thread.