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[Volo]

The crowd was getting tired, somebody had even left the hall. Several were trying to chat, but the terrible music was so loud that you couldn’t even hear your own thoughts. At one moment a fight nearly occurred, luckily it stopped before anything serious happened. People couldn’t understand why they were waiting in the first place.

Suddenly the music stopped and everybody was relieved, at last the anticipation ended. A young guy walked from the right side of the stage to the stand in the middle. The hall was filled with silence, except for a lone hamster clapping fanatically.

Volo puffed out his chest feeling overly proud of himself. After two ”artistic” and one sickly coughs he began his speech,

”Dear Wights! Dear Downers! Dear Friends! It is wonderful to see you all… nearly all, here! I am proud to present the thing I have been working on for a long time now, too long if you ask me. But I know I’m not the only one and I have to wait my turn. Anyway, it has been lots of fun, but also hard work. Sure I have had great help, but even together, it wasn’t an easy job. May I welcome my helper, Kath!”

Kath walked to the stand and bowed low. The crowd applauded like mad. Only the hamster sat quietly. Kath was really touched and Volo rather offended, but he didn’t show it.

”Yes, thank you Kath. Together we planned and wrote this Tol-in-Gaurhoth game. It’s basically the same as the earlier WW’s, but it has some new features. You can find more about it in the posts around the hall. Questions will be answered”.

The audience was getting interested, this felt promising. Somebody even started to clap and soon others joined in.

”Well, it’s no big deal. I do hope you like it”.

Volo and Kath left the stage and the anoying music turned back on.


Rules to follow (soon?).

[Volo]

The basic stuff:
No double-lynches.
No retractions.
Day/Night ends 15:00 (3 PM) GMT (I might not be able to post long story bits...)
The first Night starts at 15:00 GMT on the24th of April!

Votes are all hidden!
Vampires can't vote!
More on voting and the Lynch Seer system: here (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=518193&postcount=19).

Please, don't change your Signiture, Avatar, location or any other BD information, if you can avoid it.

Random facts:

- All of deaths are shown in the morning (when the Night changes into Day)
- All of the dreams/protections/kills may contradict each other and a lynched person may be protected after he/she is dead. Meaning that the Gifteds, Vampires and the Shade can waste their powers on a person who is already dead.
- The Good Gifteds can't PM each other.
- The specific role of the Vampire won't be told to the Seer or the Shade.
- The specific role of the Vampire will be told at death.
- The game will start with a Night.


Roles during gameplay:

Villagers (hoping for 11): Innocents, who try to survive by lynching a person during day. Win by getting rid of the three Vampires.

Seer: PMs a name to the mod during the night. The mod then tells the role of the person ”dreamed of” to the Seer. Is on the side of the Villagers.

Ranger: Posts a name to the mod during the night of whom the Ranger wants to protect. The person the Ranger protects won’t die if a Vampire or the Shade tries to kill him/her. Can't protect the same person twice in a row, but can protect him/herself. Is on the side of the Villagers.

Hunter: May at any time at all post a name to the mod. If the Hunter dies, his/her current target dies as well, this is not a ”logical hunter”, so whoever the Hunter choses, dies. Is on the side of the Villagers.

All above are on the same team and win if the all of the Vampires are lynched. The "Good people" can vote, and that is their main way of killing. The strength of the Good people is quantity.

Vampire Seer: A Werewolf that can use the skills of a Seer, but gets to know the role in morning so that he/she won't be able to tell it to his/her fellow Vampires until the next Night begins.

Vampire Ranger: A Werewolf that can use the skills of a Ranger. Can save his/her fellow Vampires (or him/herself) from the Shade or the Hunter.

Vampire Hunter: A Werewolf that can use the skills of a Hunter. (A free kill on death.)

Vampires win if the total of non-Vampires (except the Shade) is equal to the number of Vampires. F.ex.: the Shade, the Seer, a Villager and two Vampires are alive: the Vampires and the Shade win. The Vampires can't vote. The Vampires can PM each other during Night and may kill one person once a Night by sending the name to the Mod.

Shade: To survive the Shade has the skills of the Ranger, Seer and Vampire, this means that the Shade can either protect (The Shade is an exeption in the Ranger category as it can't protect itself!), dream or kill during the night, but can’t do the same thing twice in a row. The Shade doesn’t care if the Vampires or the Villagers win, it wins too as long as it's alive in the end of the game. The Shade can vote. The Shade is the most important single role, use it wisely.

Every role may and should and has to discuss during the Day in the game thread about whom to vote for. Of course the Vampires must bluff, others may bluff as much as they want. Don't reveal your roles openly as that gives an advantage to your enemies.


Characters:

I’d like you to make yourselves a character. You don’t have to play in-character during the game but you can. The roles would help me in writing the stories.
So please fill this in and send me as a PM:

(All characters are human! This character profile is not compulsory, but is of help!)

"The characters. Human (not of Numenor). Middle of second age. Funny but not over the top. Think of making a "basic normal human". You may well give your character skills with wielding weapons or any other possible (or not possible, but then it will remain only in your character's head. F.ex. if your character has the skill that he/she can cast fireballs, he/she will try and believe doing that in need, but it won't help him/her too much...) skills, but you won't be able to carry anything but your clothes to the game."

Appearance:
Physical: what does your character look like? Clothes, face, thin, bulky...?

Mental: what is your character like mentally? Brave, kind, hates red shoes...?

Skills: what can your character do well/not well? Hobbies/profession/special skills?

Gender: m/f?

A short biography if you wish.


List of players:
Gil-Galad
The Saucepan Man
Rikae
Boromir88
Nogrod
Eomer of the Rohirrim
Thinlómien
Brinniel
Legate of Amon Lanc
Aganzir
Meneltarmacil
Xyzzy
Roa_Aoife
Macalaure
Diamond18
Shastanis Althreduin
Celuien
Kitanna
Sleepy Ranger
Durelin
Glirdan
Rune Son of Bjarne
The Sixth Wizard

Wow! So many, so quickly! :D

Oh, and the Vampires will be Aganzir, Thinlómien and Nogrod.

[Volo]

Haha!

Menel, you're in.

But may I ask you to send your character stuff in a PM...

[Kath]

Hello all! Just posting in here so I notice when people reply. :)

[Nogrod]

Oh, and the Vampires will be Aganzir, Thinlómien and Nogrod.Cheers! Nice that you let us know our roles conveniently early so that we can make perfect our nassty plans! :D

Looks pretty interesting, but I do have some questions.

I can understand what a vampire-Seer does. S/he's pretty powerful one as s/he can try to spot the gifteds for the vampires. I can also see that a vampire-hunter would take away one innocent when lynched. Both of these roles seem to make the vampires have the upper hand pretty definitively. To this the fact can be added that there is no voting-record to help the villagers. So are you sure about the balance of this game?

And what will a vampire-ranger do? Defend a fellow vampire that was to be lynched? Okay, I can see a point in this as the innocents who do the voting don't exactly know who was in trouble and thence a save by the vampire-ranger doesn't reveal the saved vampire for sure. Or is s/he only for saving another vampire whom the shade meant to kill at Night? In both cases, more in the first, the vampires are made even stronger.

Looking at the list above makes me think that it was probably just fair that you told the names of the vampires beforehand... :p


Shade: To survive the Shade has the skills of the Ranger, Seer and Vampire, this means that the Shade can either protect, dream or kill during the night, but can’t do the same thing twice in a row. The Shade doesn’t care if the Vampires or the Villagers win.So the shade is only interested in her/his own survival, right? And s/he wins if s/he stays alive when the game ends? So s/he needs the village to win. So s/he must care about who wins...

Is the shade then the "secret weapon" of the villagers "who will bring the balance"? :rolleyes:

However, I still think the villagers look like being quite the underdogs here.

[Meneltarmacil]

Okay, I'm really wondering how the game is supposed to work. Won't the villagers all just vote for Aganzir, Nogrod, and Thinlomien since we already know that they're vampires?

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

So the shade is only interested in her/his own survival, right? And s/he wins if s/he stays alive when the game ends? So s/he needs the village to win. So s/he must care about who wins...
Well, I think the shadow wouldn't necessarily need to "join" the village, as far as I understand it, at the moment the wolves win, technically there are yet the same number of ordos alive - so if the shadow is one of them, he wins as well, doesn't he?

Well, from what I understand now the biggest problem would be that there'd be an effort from the villagers to kill the Were-Ranger first, because otherwise there'd be no chance of lynching... or so I understand that...

I think it's time, Volo, to somewhat help us in our confusion, if you could...

[Nogrod]

Well, I think the shadow wouldn't necessarily need to "join" the village, as far as I understand it, at the moment the wolves win, technically there are yet the same number of ordos alive - so if the shadow is one of them, he wins as well, doesn't he?Ah, that might be possible.
Vampires win if the total of non-Vampires (except the Shade) is equal to the number of Vampires.So if there are equal numbers of villagers (the shade not included) and wolves left the wolves win but the shade somehow manages to not get sucked all the blood from her/him?



Well, from what I understand now the biggest problem would be that there'd be an effort from the villagers to kill the Were-Ranger first, because otherwise there'd be no chance of lynching... or so I understand that...I gave this a second thought and can't see that as a reasonable ruling. So it must be that the vampire-ranger is there to protect one of her/his fellows during the Nights from the shade only.

Maybe we'll have some light shed on these later.

[Gil-Galad]

sigh... i have to submit again...




I was the first to give my name on the board so i demand to be on the list and at the top of the list! :smokin:

[xyzzy]

It sounds like the Shade is just a Serial Killer (http://randomness.talonz.com/werewiki/index.php/Serial_Killer) with a few extra powers: the win condition being, be the last person alive.

[Roa_Aoife]

I'mnot a fan of vampires, but this looks far too interesting to pass up. Besides, SPM, Boro, and Eomer are reappearing- I have to be involved! Sign me up, I'll PM the rest to you, Volo.

[The Saucepan Man]

Um, I may be missing something here, but, assuming that the villagers are allowed to discuss who to vote for, can't they simply agree to lynch the three Vampires on the first three Days, leaving it as a struggle between the villagers and the Shade? Even if the Vampire Ranger and/or the Vampire Hunter make some lucky picks, the odds look stacked against the Vampires to me (especially as the Seer will be able to ascertain the Vampire Gifted roles within three Nights).

And it doesn't look like it will be much fun for the three known Werewolves, whose only challenge will be in exercising their "Gifted" roles. They don't even get to vote.

Or am I being incredibly stoopid and missing something obvious?

Volo, please keep me as a question-mark for now. I still need to work out whether I will have sufficient time for the game (which depends, to a degree, on the answers to the various rule questions which have been raised).

[Roa_Aoife]

Uh, guys, I'm pretty sure Volo was joking about the Vampires....

[Brinniel]

Uh, guys, I'm pretty sure Volo was joking about the Vampires....
That's what I thought too...he's gotta be joking... Or is he? :eek:

Does this mean I'm going to have to move to Finland if I want to be come a Vampire too? :p

However, I still think the villagers look like being quite the underdogs here.
I kind of have to agree with Noggie on this one. While I do like the idea of gifted baddies and hidden votes, combining both in one game may put the innocents at a great disadvantage.

I don't know...but perhaps we all just need some further explanations...

Also, 16:00 GMT - that's 4pm GMT, right? Sorry, I just get easily confused by these things...

[The Saucepan Man]

Uh, guys, I'm pretty sure Volo was joking about the Vampires....Hmm, that may be the obvious thing that I missed ... :rolleyes:

But ... it didn't look like a joke to me (or am I just too dependent upon smilies).

Maybe I am reading too much into it, but I thought that there might be some fiendish explanation that would make sense of revealing the Vampires at the outset. Such as them being able to make new Vampires, although that would still leave the original Vampires without much of a challenge.

EDIT: If it was a joke, I rather agree with Nogrod that the Vampires would appear to have a loaded hand here.

[Thinlómien]

It was most definitely a joke from Volo's part, since Volo knows me, Aganzir and Noggie from/in RL and has been joking about making us the three wolves for a long while. (Obvioulsy it'd be quite funny from my perspective if the wolves were me, my father and one of my best friends...) So don't worry about that, dear fellow players. :)

[Macalaure]

Sign me in, please.

[Volo]

I can understand what a vampire-Seer does. S/he's pretty powerful one as s/he can try to spot the gifteds for the vampires. I can also see that a vampire-hunter would take away one innocent when lynched. Both of these roles seem to make the vampires have the upper hand pretty definitively. To this the fact can be added that there is no voting-record to help the villagers. So are you sure about the balance of this game?

And what will a vampire-ranger do? Defend a fellow vampire that was to be lynched? Okay, I can see a point in this as the innocents who do the voting don't exactly know who was in trouble and thence a save by the vampire-ranger doesn't reveal the saved vampire for sure. Or is s/he only for saving another vampire whom the shade meant to kill at Night? In both cases, more in the first, the vampires are made even stronger.
Yes, the V(ampire)Seer is to find the Gifteds/Shade and the VHunter has a free kill at death.

The VRanger can save from the Shade and the Hunter, but not from the Lynch or the Lynch Kill (I'll explain).

So the shade is only interested in her/his own survival, right? And s/he wins if s/he stays alive when the game ends? So s/he needs the village to win. So s/he must care about who wins...

Well, I think the shadow wouldn't necessarily need to "join" the village, as far as I understand it, at the moment the wolves win, technically there are yet the same number of ordos alive - so if the shadow is one of them, he wins as well, doesn't he?

The Shade is on its own. Of course it can make deals with the Village or Vampires in the game thread, and betray if it wants.
It's the most important role in the whole game as it can change a lot, so use it wisely.

The only thing the Shade has to do is survive. It wins if either the Villagers or the Vampires win, as long as the Shade is alive. The Vampires don't have any reason to kill the Shade, except for their own safety, as the Shade can kill them. The Shade may also vote, unlike the Vampires.


Is the shade then the "secret weapon" of the villagers "who will bring the balance"?

If the Shade wishes to help the Village.

Well, from what I understand now the biggest problem would be that there'd be an effort from the villagers to kill the Were-Ranger first, because otherwise there'd be no chance of lynching... or so I understand that...

Nah, the VRanger can't save from Lynches.

Um, I may be missing something here, but, assuming that the villagers are allowed to discuss who to vote for?

Sure!

Also, 16:00 GMT - that's 4pm GMT, right? Sorry, I just get easily confused by these things...

Yes.

Oh, and the Vampires will be Aganzir, Thinlómien and Nogrod.
It was most definitely a joke from Volo's part, since Volo knows me, Aganzir and Noggie from/in RL and has been joking about making us the three wolves for a long while. (Obvioulsy it'd be quite funny from my perspective if the wolves were me, my father and one of my best friends...) So don't worry about that, dear fellow players.

In fact they should worry. You, Nogrod and Aganzir are the only ones that don't. It's a joke, sorry (not really... :rolleyes: ) for confusing you... I'll shuffle all the roles. Or so I think.

Welcome, Roa, Gil and Mac! and Xyzzy, who PMd me.

[Volo]

The Vampires can't vote.

The voting happens in secret ie. by E-Mail! Send your votes (and everything to do with gifts) to wwthelostage@gmail.com More about this here (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=518446&postcount=59).

This will be both good and bad to the Village:
All the votes will be honest, as there will be no Vampires to vote.
The Vampires might have to lie in the thread about their votes.
You can't be for sure.


And then the new feature that will make you have to trust and not only distrust.
The Lynch Seer:

The following happens during the Night:
The mod sends the name of the lynched person in a riddle to a random person. This random person is called the lynch-seer. There is a different lynch-seer everyDay. The lynch-seer may or may not reveal the riddle of the person to-be-lynched in the thread after the voting has been closed ie. after the deadline. The post should not contain anything else than the riddle. If the lynch-seer does so, the person whose riddle is told may tell the mod a name by posting it in the thread and that person will die along the to-be-lynched person. A bit like hunter, works on trust, may work once or twice.

F.ex.
Boromir88 is to be lynched.
Anguirel is the ”lynch seer”.
Nogrod is the person Boromir88 wants to kill.

Boromir88 got 18 votes and will be lynched, he himself doesn’t know that yet.

The mod picks Anguirel at random and sends him a private message with a ”Which Downer Am I?”-style riddle (the answer being Boromir88) (f.ex. ”The evil bird”, because of Boromir88 being a ”Fenris Penguin”) and the number of votes for that person.

Anguirel tries to guess who the player in the riddle is. He thinks that it’s Lommy, whom he trusts. So he thinks he will give her a license to kill and posts the riddle in the game thread (note: he doesn’t have to do so, if he doesn’t trust the person he thinks is to be lynched. He is not allowed to post anything except the riddle).

Boromir88 sees the riddle in the thread and seeing it's his riddle (you will be told the riddle about you before the game starts), he can now post the name of the person he'd like to kill in the thread. Boromir88 writes ”Nogrod”, because he wants to kill Nogrod (Boromir88 can be of any role to do so.).

In the end of the night both Boromir88 and Nogrod die. Also all the nightly victims die.

[Aganzir]

In the end of the night both Boromir88 and Nogrod die. Also all the nightly victims die.
Did I understand correctly? The person to be lynched dies at the end of the night, at the same time with Vampire and Shade victims? What if the Vampires or the Shade choose to kill someone who is "already dead"; eg. the Vampires want to kill Boromir, not knowing he'll be lynched?

I suppose I have missed something.

[Volo]

Did I understand correctly? The person to be lynched dies at the end of the night, at the same time with Vampire and Shade victims? What if the Vampires or the Shade choose to kill someone who is "already dead"; eg. the Vampires want to kill Boromir, not knowing he'll be lynched?

I suppose I have missed something.
Hmm... Didn't think about this... If we want to make the Varmpires' game harder, we could leave this like it is. Otherwise, the Vampires should post several kill candidates.

F.ex.

1. Gil-Galad
2. Oddwen
3. Durelin

If Gil-Galad is lynched/lynch killed, Oddwen dies too.
If Gil-Galad and Oddwen are both lynched/lynch killed, Durelin dies too.

So, what do you think?

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

There could be 4 deaths in one night?

Count me in the game, by the way; even though this is slightly more confusing than I was prepared for!

[Volo]

There could be 4 deaths in one night?
In fact there can be 6 deaths in one night, if both the Hunter and the VHunter succeed... But let's hope that such things don't happen.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

My initial reaction is scepticism (though don't think I'm not intrigued by these new ideas :) ). It's perfectly feasible, even perhaps likely, in that case, for the game to be over in 2 days. There's a high chance it will be a swift and utter bloodbath.

[Boromir88]

I'm a bit skeptical too...I'm still undecided about the PMing of our votes (eventhough if this way the Vamps don't get to vote to muddle things up)...secretive votes seems to be cutting off one of the ordinary villager's greatest advantages to the game and putting a lot of focus on the reliability of the gifteds. If the gifteds get whacked early, I think this will be a bloodbath (in the vamps' favor) as Eomer has so dubbed.

Though I like challenges and I think this one will be even more challenging than Nogrod's game without the seer! :D

[Volo]

Though I like challenges and I think this one will be even more challenging than Nogrod's game without the seer! :D
:D

This is the reason I want many players. If that is the case is somebody NOT willing to send their votes by e-mail?

We'll never know whether this works if we don't try. A lot will depend on the Shade and all the anti-Vampire things we decide to put into the game, this (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=518200&postcount=21) being one of them.

[Brinniel]

Did I understand correctly? The person to be lynched dies at the end of the night, at the same time with Vampire and Shade victims? What if the Vampires or the Shade choose to kill someone who is "already dead"; eg. the Vampires want to kill Boromir, not knowing he'll be lynched?

I suppose I have missed something.
Hmm... Didn't think about this... If we want to make the Varmpires' game harder, we could leave this like it is. Otherwise, the Vampires should post several kill candidates.

I kind of like the idea of leaving it how it is. This way the Vampires won't be at a total advantage, and there won't be a complete bloodbath.

[Boromir88]

You're right, it doesn't hurt to try something new...and we won't know until we give something a try. :)

I'm ok with sending in secret votes (and I think the vamps inability to vote balances that out). I just wanted to raise a concern that votes are the biggest advantage (no matter how 'circumstantial' and 'biased' they might be) to ordinary villagers. Wolves (or vamps if you prefer) can hide behind their words, but not their votes too well. Perhaps I've always been dilusional and it's simply been blind luck, but with no 'gifted' knowledge the villagers use votes and discussion to help them make their decision. And essentially what's being done is part of the ordinary's advantage (as slight or little as it might be...as I think most of it is just luck) is being taken away. Therefor, there is definitely added pressure on the gifteds to stay alive and figure out information, because if they go I doubt the innocents will have any chance.

Anyway, that was my concern that I just wanted to bring out...and we won't know how things work until we try it. So, I say go for it, who knows I could be completely wrong and the vamps inability to vote might prove to be a bigger asset to the village than making everyone's vote public. :)

[Nogrod]

Quite interesting things you have come up with Volo (and Kath, if I understood the first briefing correctly)!

I'm all in for a try-out of this.

But I would also still like to make a few comments.

Maybe we should still think about the number of kills possible during the Night. I know not all the chances to kill someone will play out every Night. It will be most unlikely that happens indeed. But, with these rules we will get something like 2-3 kills turning out to be the norm / Night. (the vampires kill one anyhow - at least they try to, the shade can kill every other Night If I got it right, the probability of the one being lynched to wish to kill someone else as well / someone trusting that person the licence for it might be something like 50-50 and we have two hunters with a foolproof-kill as well). If we add to that the lynching of one every Day we get the total of 3-4 kills / Day-Night cycle on average, meaning that in a village of 14-15 players the wolves might indeed win in two Days without any extraordinary luck...

I also do agree with a few here and think we should not give the vampires a chance to give a list of Nightly kills and thence end up in a double kill during the Night if they try to kill someone who is lynched. That to me seems the least we can do on the basis of rules to balance this a bit.

Otherwise the new roles (the shade, the lynch-seer) look really promising! Although, if we're concerned about the number of kills, should we leave the option open that the one who is going to be lynched and whose riddle someone makes public might decline the kill if s/he thinks s/he's not cabable of making a judgement?

[xyzzy]

Well, that's really confusing. I'm sure I'll get it when it actually happens.

Couldn't we simply publically discuss votes and privately vote? That seems to fit into the rules, without taking away any advantage.

[Nogrod]

Couldn't we simply publically discuss votes and privately vote? That seems to fit into the rules, without taking away any advantage.Yes we can and / but yes it also seems to take out some normal advantages from the villagers... Normally you know for a fact who voted for whom and in what situation. These are about the only solid facts there are in these games. These are now lost as anyone can claim to have voted in whatever way one wishes. But only the game itself will tell whether there will actually be some advantages the villagers may gain in replacement... Understandably talking about these should be left into the game itself. :p

So I'm pretty ready to give this a try.

[Diamond18]

The Internet Faeries have blessed me with access at home after a long drought, so I'll play. Beats wasting time at YouTube anyway. ;) I don't have time at the moment to fill out the character stuff but I'll PM it to you later.

:Merisu:

[Nogrod]

The Internet Faeries have blessed me with access at home after a long drought, so I'll play. Beats wasting time at YouTube anyway. ;) So good to see you for a long time Di!

[Roa_Aoife]

You guys are looking at this "nightly kill" thing the wrong way. In a normal game, we'd have the lynch, then the nightly kill. In this game, they just happen at the same time. It''s only one more death a night. And who among us has not wished we could take someone with us when we get lynched? We're already taking away the knowledge that the lynch brings. Even with the ability for them to make the kill (which they might not, if the ranger succeeds) the wolves can still foul up on who they kill. And remember, the lynchee who gets a kill could take out one of the wolves, as well.

That said, the Ranger, Hunter, and Seer should be able to send in lists as well. In all fairness, they wouldn't protect/hunt/dream of, someone they just lynched. That just wouldn't make sense.

[Roa_Aoife]

Also, given the special abilities of the Vampires, I think it only fair that all the gifted be allowed to converse, if only during the Day.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Concerning the daily conversation, I think although the village wouldn't know who voted for whom, there could still be hints in the daily conversation, even bandwaggons created, even started by the vampires - not that it would be known if they really succeeded until the lynch shows.

One thing about swaying the votes - the Vampires cannot, but the Shade is still able to vote, or not?

I like the ideas Volo(&Kath) brought to the game. And if someone is still skeptical - oh c'mon, it's a prototype. We have to give it a try. I think especially that riddle part can be really funny.

[Volo]

One thing about swaying the votes - the Vampires cannot, but the Shade is still able to vote, or not?

This is still open to changes. The Shade, being neutral, should and should not have the right to vote. I think it should, because otherwise it has a rather small effect. But then again if it can vote, it might have a great effect. The Shade is pretty much a flip of the coin, it might help the already winning side or balance the game, so whoever the Shade is, use it wisely.

Also, given the special abilities of the Vampires, I think it only fair that all the gifted be allowed to converse, if only during the Day.
You mean PM?

And I think I'll drop the kill lists off, it will make the game unrealistic*, but otherwise it would be even more complicated to play and mod. Or would the lists for every gifted be fair, or only for the good gifted?

Storywise the lynching happens in the beginning of the night.

[Volo]

Welcome to the slaughter, Isabellkya and Diamond18! :)

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

I would drop the lists too. Have scope for numerous kills but include with it scope for numerous saves.

This will certainly be entertaining!

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

I would drop the lists too. Have scope for numerous kills but include with it scope for numerous saves.
I agree. The funniest situation in this game would probably be: "...so the villagers awoke, and realized no one died at night." - "Huh? What?"

[The Saucepan Man]

It's a joke, sorry (not really... ) for confusing you...Well now I feel really stoopid ... :rolleyes: :D

Also, given the special abilities of the Vampires, I think it only fair that all the gifted be allowed to converse, if only during the Day.I had a similar concern, arising from the fact that the Vampire Seer will be able (at Night) to discuss their dreams with their comrades. But my response was slightly different. I would suggest that there be no Vampire Seer. The Vampires have the most knowledge anyway, so giving them the potential to gain more might tip the balance in their favour. It should be up to the Vampires (as with regular Werewolves) to try to spot the Gifteds from what is said during the day. And removing the Vampire Seer will probably removed any need to enable the Villager Gifteds to communicate during the Day.

I'm fine with the other Vampire Gifteds, however, and with the other rules. It is all rather tempting, I must admit, so I shall confirm my availability for selection, albeit with the usual caveat that I may not have time to be as involved as normal (this, of course, being a caveat that I inevitably find myself unable to stick to ...).

[Volo]

Hmm... True, though I wouldn't want to abandon the VSeer...

Would it be enough if the good Gifteds knew each other?

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Wouldn't this game work better if we had about 30 players? Much like the Duelling Wizards game.

[Gil-Galad]

Wouldn't this game work better if we had about 30 players? Much like the Duelling Wizards game.

when was the last time we got a werewolf game up to 30 players? easier said then done my dear Eomer...

[Volo]

Well, I would still want at least four players. I wonät start the game for maybe a week so there is enough time to gather people.

[Nogrod]

16 already looks pretty good. Four more I agree would be excellent.

With twenty players I'm no more worried about the number of kills.

I think the solution that we have the whole range of gifteds on both sides is okay as long as those both sides have the same possibilities of using their shared information to the common good. So if we have all vampire-gifteds who can plot during the Night together and share their views & knowledge, we should also allow the innocent-gifteds to do the same - either by Night or by Day - via PM.

That might even the things out a bit.

This looks like a lot of fun, I must say.

[xyzzy]

Another week, you say? Well, if 50 people simultaneously sign up tomorrow, I'll be gone on Friday. No computer access, bah!

[Roa_Aoife]

Volo, yes, I meant via PM. One big advantage that the Vampires have over the villagers is their ability to communicate. With the advantages they already have, we could at least have them share that with the good gifted.


And remember, no kill list for the vampires means no lists for the gifted. It's true that a kill could be avoided, but so could a hunt or a dream.

[The Saucepan Man]

I remain uncomfortable about the Vampire Seer, which seems to me to be an incredibly powerful role, and that power transfers to the Vampire team as a whole by virtue of the ability to transmit the dream information gained to them.

While allowing Gifted villagers to communicate would redress the balance to a degree, I have never been much of a fan of Gifted villagers being able to communicate (with limited exceptions, such as Shirrifs) as I think it detracts from two of the aspects of the game that I enjoy - the isolation of being a villager (whether Gifted or ordo) and the challenge of trying to work out who's who by oneself (or rather, when one can only trust one's own thoughts). Similarly, if the Vampires have a Seer, part of the challenge for them disappears.

Incidentally, if the village Seer dreams of a Vampire, will they discover that Vampire's specific role or simply that he/she is a Vampire?

And remember, no kill list for the vampires means no lists for the gifted. It's true that a kill could be avoided, but so could a hunt or a dream.Couldn't the kill list issue be avoided if you require the subject of the riddle, if posted, to post a "victim" within 12 hours of the end of the Day? There may be time issues, I suppose. Is everyone able to check in every twelve hours? It shouldn't affect the Vampire discussions too much anyway, as they could still discuss potential kills in the meantime and decide on a "back-up" kill if their first choice is taken down by the lynch seer.

Also, am I right in understanding that we wil all know our own riddle? It seems to me that it might be more fun if we did not, and so the lych seer has to solve the riddle before being able to post a "victim". Only problem with that, I suppose, is that people might post a victim on the off-chance that they are the lynch seer.

Finally, while games with much in excess of 20 players can be fun, they can also be very difficult to get to grips with as a player and so extremely time-consuming. As someone whose time constraints often conflicts with my desire to participate fully, that does slightly concern me.

[Meneltarmacil]

I really don't think I'm going to be available from May 6th until possibly even August 15th or later due to some major plans for the summer, so I'd prefer a shorter game myself. Not that I expect the game to last until May 6th, but...

Oh, and I also think the good Gifteds should be able to PM each other.

[Gil-Galad]

what is the planned first day?

because i am away on may 3rd to may 7th, and again on may 18th to may 20th, so thats 7 days of me possibly being out of it... if its after that or before (like within next week) then i should be good

[Shastanis Althreduin]

*was directed here by a friend* If y'all don't mind me jumping in, I'd like to sign up. :)

[Volo]

I see that there are problems with the time... Well, I have problems with that too. Hmm... Ok, I'll start the game when we get 20 players. I'll spam about this game via PM.

Volo, yes, I meant via PM. One big advantage that the Vampires have over the villagers is their ability to communicate. With the advantages they already have, we could at least have them share that with the good gifted.

I don't know about this... After all, the Villagers will outnumber the Vampires, and giving the Good Gifteds the ability to PM will make them nearly as strong as the Vampires. Remember that through the lynch seer system we'll get many nearly known Good people!

While allowing Gifted villagers to communicate would redress the balance to a degree, I have never been much of a fan of Gifted villagers being able to communicate (with limited exceptions, such as Shirrifs) as I think it detracts from two of the aspects of the game that I enjoy - the isolation of being a villager (whether Gifted or ordo) and the challenge of trying to work out who's who by oneself (or rather, when one can only trust one's own thoughts). Similarly, if the Vampires have a Seer, part of the challenge for them disappears.

The Vampire Seer won't replace the Vampires' need for logical thinking. The VSeer can go wrong and dream about an Ordo. Also I'll post the role to the VSeer in the end of the Night, so that it won't be able to tell it before the next Night starts.

Incidentally, if the village Seer dreams of a Vampire, will they discover that Vampire's specific role or simply that he/she is a Vampire?

Haven't thought about this. Both are fine with me, though I prefer that the specific role won't be told. I don't think this will matter too much.

Couldn't the kill list issue be avoided if you require the subject of the riddle, if posted, to post a "victim" within 12 hours of the end of the Day? There may be time issues, I suppose. Is everyone able to check in every twelve hours? It shouldn't affect the Vampire discussions too much anyway, as they could still discuss potential kills in the meantime and decide on a "back-up" kill if their first choice is taken down by the lynch seer.

The Night is full of chaos... I don't think I'll make any rules about when what should happen, as long as it happens during the night. This game is sadly very effected by when people can be online. The Lynch Seer process can filled with strategy: If the Lynch Seer posts the riddle early, the Vampires will get hints whom not to kill, if the Lynch Seer posts the riddle late, the To-be-lynched person might not get a chance to post his/her victims name. The later the To-be-lynched person posts the name of his/her victim, the bigger the probability that the Vampires will try killing an already dead person. But the same goes for the Gifteds, the less time they have to chose a person who's not dead already.

Also, am I right in understanding that we wil all know our own riddle? It seems to me that it might be more fun if we did not, and so the lych seer has to solve the riddle before being able to post a "victim". Only problem with that, I suppose, is that people might post a victim on the off-chance that they are the lynch seer.

You'll know the riddle about yourself (Kath, we should better start thinking about these.).

I don't fully understand what you're saying there.
The Lynch Seer won't know whose riddle it is for sure when he/she posts it.
The Lynch Seer doesn't chose the victim, he/she choses only if the To-be-lynched person may chose a victim.

Finally, while games with much in excess of 20 players can be fun, they can also be very difficult to get to grips with as a player and so extremely time-consuming. As someone whose time constraints often conflicts with my desire to participate fully, that does slightly concern me.

I agree that the first day will be hard for everybody, but after it the number of players will drop quickly.

*was directed here by a friend* If y'all don't mind me jumping in, I'd like to sign up.

Welcome! Here's (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showthread.php?t=2941&page=1&pp=40) the thread where you can introduce yourself. Be aware that this game might be hard for beginners. Wish fun to you and everybody else!

[Brinniel]

It's great to see so much interest so fast. And for all these new player to the Downs...welcome. :)

Well, the game certainly does look complicated. I'm still slightly confused, but that is probably due to the fact I haven't had much time to think it over (all these papers I have to write for school is making me brain-dead)....I'll take a better look later in the evening when I actually have some time. But I think everything should become quite clear once the game begins.

Volo - Do you think you could place all the rules that have been discussed into one post? That may help some...

Also, is there a deadline for when you want our bios sent to you? I haven't worked on it yet, but I promise I'll get it to you ASAP. Once I get this paper I'm currently writing out of the way, I'll have much more time on my hands.

[Thinlómien]

Well, I for one most say that I'll definitely not be able to check in every 12 hours... or I guess so...

Remember that through the lynch seer system we'll get many nearly known Good people!Wait... do you mean a wolf/vampire/whatever-evil-being can't be the lynch seer? :confused:

[Volo]

Also, is there a deadline for when you want our bios sent to you?
Oh, there is time. A day before the first Day begins. Oh, indeed: The game starts with a Day!

Volo - Do you think you could place all the rules that have been discussed into one post? That may help some...
Help some? :D Me most of all!
Yes, sure I'll try getting it all together.

[Volo]

Wait... do you mean a wolf/vampire/whatever-evil-being can't be the lynch seer? :confused:
Sure it can! But it will need some nerve to give an Innocent a free kill. ;) It's all very complicated. I'm sure you'll have long discussions about it during the game. "Why would X do that if Y is Z and A might be C." :D

[Thinlómien]

Sure it can! But it will need some nerve to give an Innocent a free kill. It's all very complicated. I'm sure you'll have long discussions about it during the game. "Why would X do that if Y is Z and A might be C." Haha, this'll be really fun! :D :D

[Volo]

This isn't decided yet, but probably the voting and using your special gifts will happen through E-mail! I hope this ok?

Votes and dreams/kills/protection/everything will happen by sending an E-mail to wwthelostage@gmail.com

The format should be:

Topic: The number of the Night/Day and "Day"/"Night". F.ex. for the first Day's votes: "1 Day"

In the textbox: Clearly put the name of the player and what you want to do with him. F.ex. "Vote: Macalaure" or "Dream: Meneltarmacil". And don't forget to put your own BD name!

A full example:

Topic:
2 Night

Textbox:
Protect: Aganzir

-Volo


I hope this is fine. :)

[Volo]

I decided to make the Lynch Seer more powerful. Not he/she will not only get the riddle but also the number of votes for that person. It will help seeing who lie during the next day.

Ok?


I also changed the rule about the To-be-lynched person having to kill if the Lynch Seer writes his riddle in the thread. The T-b-l doesn't have to kill, but it's advisable. :Merisu:

Gah, we should get an "evil" smile here... Something like http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b205/ih8mcdonalds/bite2.gif

[The Saucepan Man]

Hmm... Ok, I'll start the game when we get 20 players.By my reckoning, we have 17 already, so only 3 more required. 20 players seems a good number for this kind of game.

I don't know about this... After all, the Villagers will outnumber the Vampires, and giving the Good Gifteds the ability to PM will make them nearly as strong as the Vampires. Remember that through the lynch seer system we'll get many nearly known Good people!Makes sense to me. I am not in favour of villager Gifteds being able communicate.

Also I'll post the role to the VSeer in the end of the Night, so that it won't be able to tell it before the next Night starts.Fair enough. I still think it's a very powerful role but if you want VSeer, I'm fine with that.

Both are fine with me, though I prefer that the specific role won't be told. I don't think this will matter too much.It could make a difference, particularly given the powerful nature of the VSeer. With Vampire Gifteds in the game, my vote would be to allow the villager Seer to spot Vampire roles.

The Lynch Seer process can filled with strategy: If the Lynch Seer posts the riddle early, the Vampires will get hints whom not to kill, if the Lynch Seer posts the riddle late, the To-be-lynched person might not get a chance to post his/her victims name. The later the To-be-lynched person posts the name of his/her victim, the bigger the probability that the Vampires will try killing an already dead person. But the same goes for the Gifteds, the less time they have to chose a person who's not dead already.Good points. Forget the timing thing and let's go with no Vampire/Gifted kill lists.

I don't fully understand what you're saying there.
The Lynch Seer won't know whose riddle it is for sure when he/she posts it.
The Lynch Seer doesn't chose the victim, he/she choses only if the To-be-lynched person may chose a victim.Sorry, my mistake. I got mixed up. I was wondering whether it might be more fun if the lynchee would have to solve their own riddle before being able to post a victim, rather than knowing it beforehand.

Volo - Do you think you could place all the rules that have been discussed into one post? That may help some...I think that we could all do with a statement of the rules once they have been finalised, preferably at the beginning of the game thread.

Oh, there is time. A day before the first Day begins.can we have at least a day's notice of the start please?

Sure it can! But it will need some nerve to give an Innocent a free kill.Presumably, though, it is possible for both the lynchee and the lynch seer to be a Vampire.

This isn't decided yet, but probably the voting and using your special gifts will happen through E-mail! I hope this ok?Fine by me. I'm on gmail too.

This is shaping up to be a great game ... :smokin: :D

[Volo]

I think that we could all do with a statement of the rules once they have been finalised, preferably at the beginning of the game thread.
It's all already there. I think all is pretty well cleared in the first rules post (and its links).

Can we have at least a day's notice of the start please?
Sure. I think nobody will be left out of info with this discussion rate, I'll start posting the story parts as soon as we have at least 20 players.

Presumably, though, it is possible for both the lynchee and the lynch seer to be a Vampire.
Yes, but that will put the Vampi... aargh. Discuss this when the game starts! ;) :D

[Thinlómien]

Yes, but that will put the Vampi... aargh. Discuss this when the game starts! I know - I'm already plotting though I even don't know what my role or side will be! :D

Well now I feel really stoopid ... Fair enough... *remembers own newbie times* ;)

[Isabellkya]

Regrettably, I need to withdraw my name from the signups. Sorry!! This sounded like a lot of fun!

[Nogrod]

I know it would be a lot of fun to have fex. exactly 20 players, but waiting for too long is not wise either. Lately we've had one more player in but one has already left (so we're still in 17?). So I think Volo might just throw us a beginning date like Monday or Tuesday and then we would play with all those people who we have then. Waiting for an indefinitive time to fill up a fixed number of players may turn against itself and the numbers start falling down with all the RL issues (so far we know that Gil can't be in the game after May 3rd, Menel after May 6th).

Welcome Shastanis Althreduin! Have fun!

[Nogrod]

Have you Volo any basic guidelines concerning the characters? You said they should be human, but then...

From the first post I can gather that we're going to be at least a bit on the lighter side with them. But should they be relating to some actual cultural habitats in the ME? Should they be modern ones or could they be anything (resulting is post-modern mix of very differnet kinds of characters)?

[Shastanis Althreduin]

That reminds me... I need to send that. :)

And ha ha, Miyu, I know who you are now. :P

[Volo]

Have you Volo any basic guidelines concerning the characters? You said they should be human, but then...

From the first post I can gather that we're going to be at least a bit on the lighter side with them. But should they be relating to some actual cultural habitats in the ME? Should they be modern ones or could they be anything (resulting is post-modern mix of very differnet kinds of characters)?
Huh... I'm sorry, the information I gave there is indeed misguiding.

First of all I want to say that I'll take freedom, probably very little, in changing the characters to fit the story. I might also take some freedom in other matters of the game, but you'll just have to trust me with that, in no means will I try to spoil anybody's game.

The characters. Human (not of Numenor). Middle of second age. Funny but not over the top. Think of making a "basic normal human". You may well give your character skills with wielding weapons or any other possible (or not possible, but then it will remain only in your character's head. F.ex. if your character has the skill that he/she can cast fireballs, he/she will try and believe doing that in need, but it won't help him/her too much...) skills, but you won't be able to carry anything but your clothes to the game.

I must appologise to those who have already sent their characters with ideas better than what I allow. All of the characters are good otherwise, but little changes (either by me or you) will be made.


About starting the game. I'll (just now, sorry, forgot...) spam via PM to get more players. We'll also have to make up all the riddles with Kath and some preparations before the game can begin.

About riddles. If you have any great ideas about the riddle about yourself, you can share them. You'll know the riddle about yourself anyway, so the only thing you'll miss this way is what me and Kath might invent...

[Celuien]

I think I may have to play this game... :D

[Kitanna]

I may just have to jump back into a werewolf game. Sign me up if there's still room.

[Sleepy Ranger]

Since saying no to Volo just isn't right, I'll drop in for the game.

PS: ME Idol results are finally in. :)

[Volo]

Thank you very much for joining! It's great to see all of you long gone people!

[Boromir88]

Wow that was quick, nice job Volo :)

Welcome Celuien, Sleepy, and Kitanna, good to see all of you back in. :D

[Kath]

That takes us up to 20 doesn't it Volo? Want to call that enough? That way the game can start pretty soon.

[Volo]

19 if can still count right in this state.

I think we could start starting (I know, sounds very very evasive...). Everybody or as many as possible, whom I PMd should get the chance to join. (I might have gone a bit too excited with those PMs :o )

Ah, what the gah, I'll open the game thread now. You can still join if you want.


And to be on the safe side: Everybody understands the rules and agrees to obey them?

And #2: Post your character stuff if you want to!

[Roa_Aoife]

Sleepy! Kitanna! Celuien! YAY! Some more old faces return! This will be fun. :D

[Durelin]

Oh, bother. I'll play.

Well, that is, I'll play unless Nogrod will slander, maim, or kill me for not being very...erm...'loud.' The school year may be almost over, but...we're all procrastinators at heart.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

*applause* Yeehaw! Durelin! That's great you decided to play! Welcome on board! :cool:

That means we are 20, right? The right number to start :)

[Volo]

Awesome! With Durelin we have 20 lucky ones! Now for the hard part... riddles... :rolleyes:

I'll still let people to sign in for a while. And start the game thread with the completely irrelevent story.

[Roa_Aoife]

Well, now all we need is Kuru, Fea, Phantom, Valier, and LMP.....

[Diamond18]

I'll send you a different character, Volo.

[Volo]

*meep* They're too scary to be spammed by PM... :o

[Durelin]

Aww, thankye for the warm welcome!

You and Saucie were definitely a part of my decision, Legate. :D

I told myself that would be the last game ever for me...but alack, I am a lying fiend.

[Volo]

Game thread (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showthread.php?p=518623#post518623) in! Don't write there! Yet.


Please, don't change your Signiture, Avatar, location or any other BD information, if you can avoid it. You do have time to change them till I say you don't, so do it now. :rolleyes: This is because of the riddles, it might be pretty annoying if somebody changes their information in the middle of the game, the lynch seer won't thank you for doing so. ;)

[Boromir88]

And now we have the always entertaining Durelin in the game...oh this game should truly have some fireworks flying. :p

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Aww, thankye for the warm welcome!

You and Saucie were definitely a part of my decision, Legate. :D

I told myself that would be the last game ever for me...but alack, I am a lying fiend.
Well, I'd say you couldn't've picked better reasons, whaddayasay, SPM?

Concerning the "last game" thing... how many roads must a man go down...

[Nogrod]

Whoa!

This will be a game one will hate to die early on... :eek:

Well, that is, I'll play unless Nogrod will slander, maim, or kill me for not being very...erm...'loud.'I can't do that by myself - and to begin with, I have no wish for it. We'll see what the game brings about though... :D

Good to see you!

As well as Celuien, Kitanna and Sleepy!

Fancy!

Rules agreed and hopefully understood so far. And I hope we will have some help interpreting them from Volo or Kath when (see, I don't say if...) the going gets tough or mixed. :rolleyes:

[Durelin]

Hehe, I know you're not a meanie, Nogrod! But I'm still ready for anything you want to throw at me... :p

Of course, chances are we'll be on the same side, so maybe the war paint isn't best quite yet.... ;)

Boro - I didn't know I had a reputation to live up to! :eek:

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Oh blah.

Stupid work. I haven't sent my character PM yet.

Do I have time, or...?

[Volo]

Yes, at least one full day before a Night will begin. I decided to have a Night phase first, the only action being the PMing of the Vampires.

[Brinniel]

Have you decided yet when our first Night will begin?

I would like to try to get my bio to you before the game actually starts.

[Glirdan]

Hmmmm....Interesting....I accept you're invite Volo

[Volo]

I'll cut the joining at 10 AM GMT tomorrow (23rd of April).

The roles will also be posted tomorrow. The riddles maybe a day later, and as soon as that is done I can start the game. So the first Night will probably be on the 24th or 25th.

[Nogrod]

So the first Night will probably be on the 24th or 25th.As it's only the Night-phase you could start it already on the 23rd, when there is no one to join any more... But your decision to be sure.

[Volo]

Probably yes as those riddles are nearly done. I won't promise.


I want to remind you that if you agree to stay with the story:
- Your character can't take anything to the game place, except your clothes of course.
- There will be stuff to use in the place, so if you tell me that your character likes to play the flute, he/she won't be able to take his/her own flute, but will probably find one in the game place. (This is basicly for people wishing to stay in character.)
- It is easier that your character is of the same gender as you yourself are.
- Your character may have a name, but it should be related to your own BD nickname.
All of the above won't affect the game as such but will probably make the game nicer. ;)

[Volo]

Please don't change you avatar, signiture, location or any other information! If you really have to, inform me.

I also suggest that you (especially the new members) explore your fellow players, because the riddles might be very hard without any background information. I'm sorry for this unfairness, but I hope you understand.


I still don't have characters from the following people (Sorry if I should have, I might have lost the post with them...), please hurry up if you want to make a character.

Gil-Galad
The Saucepan Man
Eomer of the Rohirrim
Thinlómien
Brinniel
Shastanis Althreduin
Kitanna
Sleepy Ranger
Glirdan


May I take the question mark away from your name, Espiem?

[Volo]

Mistake made! *slaps face* The Night/Day change will be 3 PM GMT!! Not 4 PM GMT like I preveously told... :o

Don't they have daylight saving times elsewhere?

Sorry... I hope this doesn't change things too much.

[Volo]

...EDIT-button has been invented.

So, the next question is this:

Do you want challenging and great riddles or mind-bogglingly freaky and extremely challenging riddles?

The challenging riddles would be that the answer can be found in the person's profile.

The extremely challenging riddles would be that the answer can be found about anywhere, mostly such that you can find it through the profile page, but not always.


Why even ask? Enough confusion already?

Well, I was thinking about the fact that the Lynch Seer will pretty well see from the game thread who is being lynched, so it won't be that hard to know who is going to be lynched. So if you want to put the Lynch Seer to think twice and even thrice, in most cases challenging riddles won't be enough.

The extremely challening riddles on the other hand might be a bit and not only a bit too hard, but I'm sure that if the Lynch Seer reads through the game thread and puts some time into it he/she will find the answer.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

I'd suggest that you do what you find appropriate, Volo. Personally I think extremely challenging riddles might be fun, though... though some "elder" members might have a significant advantage against the more newbie-ish... for example, on the players list there are four or five people of whom I know really very little and yet other four or five of whom I know hardly more than their name...

[Nogrod]

though some "elder" members might have a significant advantage against the more newbie-ish... for example, on the players list there are four or five people of whom I know really very little and yet other four or five of whom I know hardly more than their name...That works the other way around as well. From those who've been here for ages there are a host of trails but from the newer ones only the profile and the game itself.

But as you said Legate: I'd suggest that you do what you find appropriate, Volo.

Maybe you could stress the part of what happens in the game though. But as you said, there will be some hunches from after a Day who were the main suspects so the lynch-seer probably has quite restricted choice and thence the riddles should be a bit tougher not to make it too easy...

[The Saucepan Man]

I still don't have characters from the following people (Sorry if I should have, I might have lost the post with them...), please hurry up if you want to make a character.

...

The Saucepan ManI sent my character to the g-mail address which you provided earlier in this thread - about half an hour before your post. Did you get it?

May I take the question mark away from your name, Espiem?Indeed you may.

Do you want challenging and great riddles or mind-bogglingly freaky and extremely challenging riddles?I agree with Nogrod on this:

But as you said, there will be some hunches from after a Day who were the main suspects so the lynch-seer probably has quite restricted choice and thence the riddles should be a bit tougher not to make it too easy...Also, a question. I believe that you said that the lynch seer would be told the number of votes recevied by the lynchee. Are they able to post this with their riddle, or must they wait until the next Day (if, indeed, they live to see it ...)?

[Rikae]

Pssst...Glirdy...Volo wants us to PM the character descriptions to him.

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

hmm seing that a friend of mine that looks a lot like a young Harrison Ford has joined, I should too. . . .It must be well over a year since we last played in a game together. In fact I belive it was the very first wwj or maybe the second.

anyways sign me up, I shall send you my charachter tomorrow!

oh and by the way: Please do use the edit button, it is quite frustrating having to read through all 3 pages to find all the updates on roles.

P.S. I will probably change my siggy again tomorrow as this was just a temporary one I put up before I knew I was joining, if it has to stay up for the intire game I would like something else. . .

[The Sixth Wizard]

I was under the impression that signing up was closed. If it is not, then I too would like to join, and will change my signature. If not, the next one it is!

[Brinniel]

Oh geez...the time zones keep confusing my brain. I must've calculated the deadline incorrectly at least three different time! But don't worry, I've figured it out now... :rolleyes:

Anyways, if I am right, the game shouldn't close for another 2 1/2 hours. So that makes what...23 now? A big game...I like that. :)

[Volo]

OK, Rune and Sixth, you're in!

Try to be quick with all the changes and characters!


I'll come to answer all the questions, in there are any, later

[Glirdan]

Ahhh...well.....that's what you get for reading quickly because you have minimal computer time.....

Volo, would you still like me to send it to you via PM?

[The Sixth Wizard]

Whew, just got in on time. Be prepared for my blatant eccentricity and unproffessionalism, everyone.

May I still post a character bio?

[Volo]

Glirdan, I got it, no need sending, but please delete the post with your character.

Sixth, yes as soon as you can, please.


I'd suggest that you do what you find appropriate, Volo. Personally I think extremely challenging riddles might be fun, though... though some "elder" members might have a significant advantage against the more newbie-ish... for example, on the players list there are four or five people of whom I know really very little and yet other four or five of whom I know hardly more than their name...
That works the other way around as well. From those who've been here for ages there are a host of trails but from the newer ones only the profile and the game itself.
Hmm... Indeed, but most of the riddles just need a keen eye and imaginative mind. ;)

I believe that you said that the lynch seer would be told the number of votes recevied by the lynchee. Are they able to post this with their riddle, or must they wait until the next Day (if, indeed, they live to see it ...)?
I forgot that for a moment there. The Lynch Seer will get the number with the riddles so that makes three factors from what the LS can guess.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

The universe is conspiring against me, I swear. I was in the middle of typing my character bio... and lightning struck a transformer down the road. -_-;; I'm typing it (from scratch!) RIGHT NOW. Promise. =D

Edit: HA. Got it.

[Roa_Aoife]

Just so everyone knows and subsequently doesn't jump at me when I'm late, the Day starts and ends at the same time I have to be at work every day. This means that I won't be on for at least the first 6-7 hours of the Day, And I'll be missing the last half hour, too.

Also, Volo, a quick question before you send out the roles- Is it okay to directly state whom we vote for in the game thread? As in, "I'm going to vote for So and So," but with out the actual vote? Or are we only allowed to suggest that everyone vote for a person, but never say if we ourselves did or not?

Naturallly, not everyone would do that, but I just want to know if it's allowable, or if we should avoid it.

[Volo]

You may indeed chat about whom to vote openly!

[Volo]

The first Night will start in exactly 24 hours from this moment. I'll start sending the roles now.

[The Saucepan Man]

The Lynch Seer will get the number with the riddles so that makes three factors from what the LS can guess.Yes, but can the lynch seer post the number with the riddle during the Night?

And did you get my character bio?

[Volo]

Oh, sorry. No, the Lynch Seer may post only the riddle. Nothing else.

I got SMP's, Brinniel's, Eomer's and Sixth's characters by e-mail. That turns the total to 19 characters.

Still to post:

Rune Son of Bjarne
Sleepy Ranger
Gil-Galad
Kitanna

Hurryhurryhurryhurry!

[Gil-Galad]

woops sorry... is it still too late for me to send it in?

[Diamond18]

Will there be a new summary of the rules posted before the game starts? To tell the truth I've been skipping/skimming most of this discussion about the rules because I'm just going to go by whatever the rules are once the game actually starts and don't want to be confused by all the possiblities and suggestions raised.

[Volo]

I think all the stuff needed is now in the first rule post. I might be wrong as it's somewhat hard to still consentrate on this thread.

Have to run...

[Thinlómien]

Oh, I know you all have heard the same thing for so many times, but I don't have a net access home so I won't be super-flood poster. But, thanks to the deadline, I'll be around in the late hours. So don't wonder if I first pop up only 8 hours before the deadline or something like that.

[The Sixth Wizard]

3PM GMT is 1AM over here in Australia. So my probable hours will be 9PM GMT (maybe, before I go to school), and 5AM to 8AM GMT (after school). Sorry 'bout that. It's a bit of a bummer.

[Rikae]

And three pm GMT is ten am here...so I'll be in class at the deadline.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

People, it's ok. We all have lives. Post whenever you want/can. :)

[Volo]

Turn yourselves invisible!

Night 1 starts in an hour.


Now sending riddles. You may complain, but quickly. Whatever you do, don't tell your riddle to any other player.

[Volo]

The First Day has started! Good luck!

[Gil-Galad]

already posted...

[Volo]

A note on staying in-character:

-You are in a cave with only torches to light your way.
-Most of the cave is empty buildings with everything that normal people use and that keeps. F.ex. knives, chairs and the lot. So use your imagination to find even the most peculiar stuff.
-You can't get out of the cave.
-You don't know how you got in it.
-You have only your clothes from the outside world.

Don't delete your posts on this account, but just reminding what was told in the story maybe too unclearly.

[The Saucepan Man]

By way of explanation of my imminent absence for much of toDay, I am without internet access overnight, and will be fully occupied at work tomorrow until an hour or so before the deadline.

[Sleepy Ranger]

I will be unable to participate today due to a large amount of schoolwork. This shouldn't really be much of a problem later and is just a one off situation of too much homework. Sorry.

[Volo]

I'm sorry about having my PM box full, it's empty now.

[Brinniel]

I just want to apologise that I haven't been able to participate as much as I would've liked so far toDay. It's the end of the semester, so I've been cooped up in film editing labs for hours upon hours trying to get my final projects finished. Not to mention I haven't slept in over 24 hours. I'm almost done though, so I think I should be able to participate more come Day 2.

[Glirdan]

Sorry about my lack of participation folks. School is catching up with me again (damn two day field trips >_<.....yet it was sooo much fun!!) and I've been catching up on my work. So I will not be able to post for the rest of the day. :( Sorry once again.

[Volo]

I was asked to clear out this:

The Lynch Seer will get the riddle and the quantity of votes for that person.

[Gil-Galad]

uh... when does the day end? you started at 8:30 am yesterday and it is 8:40 am right now... so just wondering...

[Volo]

15 minutes. For you it ends at 9:00 am.
Yesterday was an exception, like start of Day 2 will be.

Day 2 will start an hour and a half earlier. So, 1:30 PM GMT and 7:30 AM to Gil. Maybe even earlier, so please send your protections/dreams/kills/whatever at least an hour before the usual deadline.

[Macalaure]

Sorry for missing the deadline.

That's what happens when you work and werewolf at the same time. :(

[Rikae]

Um...Volo...am I dead? :eek: Sorry to be a bother, but I'm kind of on pins and needles, here...

[Volo]

That I can't say. I'll tell all the deaths in the morning as the Lynch Seer might have something to say.

[Brinniel]

Day 2 will start an hour earlier. So, 2 PM GMT and 8 AM to Gil. Maybe even earlier, so please send your protections/dreams/kills/whatever at least an hour before the usual deadline.
Does this mean Day 2 will also end an hour early, or will we just have an extra hour to discuss?

[Volo]

Extra hour to discuss! \o/

[Kitanna]

I apologize for not returning yesterday. I was called into work and never made it back online after that. Again, a thousand apologies.

[Volo]

Complications again:

Either Day 2 will start at 1:30 PM GMT

or

The usual time (3 PM GMT) depending on Kath's possibilities.

:) But this doesn't mean that I wouldn't like the kills/dreams/protects before that.

[Kath]

I can do it. :) 3PM GMT it will be.

[Nogrod]

Either Day 2 will start at 1:30 PM GMT
or
The usual time (3 PM GMT) depending on Kath's possibilities.

I can do it. 3PM GMT it will be.
We could stand a one and a half an hour longer Day as well. So don't make it a problem Kath. Just relax... :D

Well, I'm only talking of myself here surely, but...

[Durelin]

Sorry...11 am is not a good time for me... Most days I should have more time in the evening to post, but last night I was busy...so anyway - apologies for not voting or being around.

[Volo]

You are now in the hands of Kath for Day 2, Night 3 and Day 3.

All the questions should go to her and if you really can't send your votes and stuff by e-mail, PM her and not me about it.

Bye, have fun. I'll post here when I'm back.

[Gil-Galad]

Is Kath going to start it soon? i got to go catch my bus in 5 minutes and i have been waiting for 10... (it is now 7:40)... :confused:

[Kath]

She is ... but according to my clock it's still another 15 minutes before the deadline.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Woo. I wonder who died?

[Gil-Galad]

She is ... but according to my clock it's still another 15 minutes before the deadline.

if i go by your clock then i will be late for school everyday... :p

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Sorry folks for me not being able to play today, I wasn't at home from yesterday's afternoon till now since I was away from the city, I originally thought I'd make it home from faculty to be here at the start of the day or at least post that I'll be away, but I didn't make it.

[Roa_Aoife]

Quickly, since I'm running out of time:

Internet at home bad
Using husband's laptop to find wireless internet
Laptop is wonky
Battery about to run out

Hope that covers it.

[Thinlómien]

Kath, is there any rule about the mod killing non-participating people?

[Kath]

Not as far as I know Lommy. I think it's up to you in the game to decide what you want to do.

[Kath]

By the way, all the little tabs and everything on the gmail site are in Finnish so I am doing my best to make sure I'm sending everything to the right people and that I'm actually sending it and not just pressing save or something, but if it gets close to the beginning of the Day and you still haven't got an answer from me then poke me. I may just send information by PM as well just in case so keep an eye out for that.

[Gil-Galad]

I think that 3 days of constant non-involvement earns them a suicide... given the games scenario, a suicide in that situation is beleivable

[xyzzy]

Sorry I wasn't... completely here yesterday. I had no internet access...

Guh... Finally caught up on the thread.

Wow; wondering what'll happen.

[Gil-Galad]

just a reminder, i have sunday, monday, tuesday, and wedsneday with computer access till i'm deployed to BC for 5 days, i'll be back tuesday...

[Gil-Galad]

alright, i will be missing two days of WW...

Thursday the 3rd and saturday the 5th... so you must do without my instincts for then! i promsie that i will come back on monday and see what i can do

[The Saucepan Man]

There seems to be some confusion, so may I ask when Day 2 officially ended. Was it 3pm British Summer Time (BST), in which case Rune's post #285 was the last one before the deadline? Or was it 3pm GMT (4pm BST), in which case Nogrod's post #330 was the last one before the deadline? My understanding is that it should be the latter, which accords with the timing of the start of Day 2.

And, just to be sure, when will Day 3 start, 3pm BST or 3pm GMT?

[The Saucepan Man]

... which accords with the timing of the start of Day 2.Scrub that. I've checked and Day 2 began at 3pm BST (2pm GMT). However, Night 1 began at 4pm BST (3pm GMT), while Day 1 began at 3.30pm BST (2.30pm GMT)and ended at 4pm BST (3pm GMT).

So which is the correct deadline? :confused:

[Kath]

It should really be 4pm BST (3pm GMT), and will return to that when Volo gets back, but today I am going to have to start the Day at 3pm BST because I'm off to my friends to do revision.

I am sorry for all the mix-ups. Nogrod pointed that out to me yesterday as well. I just forget all about the whole daylight savings time thing.

Just to be clear. Day 3 will start at 3pm BST, which is 2pm GMT. So if anyone hasn't yet sent in a name (I'm about to check) please do so now. :)

EDIT: And to answer your actual question Sauce, Day 2 in my headed ended at 3pm BST (2pm GMT) but actually ended at 4pm BST (3pm GMT) after this was pointed out to me, so only Durelin's post was outside the time limit.

[The Saucepan Man]

Thanks Kath.

So when does Day 3 end?

[Volo]

3 PM GMT.

Thanks Kath! I'll take over from here. I still have to read through the stuff and look at your notes (if you have posted them in our gmail account). Hope everything is fine.

[Kath]

I haven't. I'll do that now but if you've any questions it will have to wait until a bit later I'm afraid. I just took a quick break but I'm back to the books in a minute. :(

[Volo]

Three days absence -> death.
Glirdan has this Day (and Night) time to come alive.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Apologies to everyone once again, it's really silly, but it seems everything has agreed to turn against me in last days, because my computer was infected by a virus... I don't know how things are going to turn out and if I'll be able to participate already today, but I'll surely do my best. I am now typing on "borrowed time" due to my friend's help... You probably can imagine how I was angry when I learned the @&&virus causes me to miss another Werewolf Day! (the top ten signs you are addicted to... :rolleyes: ) If I won't be able to reach you back in several days, then... means the virus was stronger :mad:

[Gil-Galad]

Today, i went to the Comic Book and Entertainment Expo today, it was pretty grand, met The Hulk, and Robert Picardo and more... and sadly tomorrow i will be busily doing homework all day but i will check on from time to time.

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

I am just letting you all know that I will not be doing any posting on the 1. May as I will be spending The International Workers Day with my comrades, singing, marching and listening to speaches. (maybe a bit of drinking as well)

[Nogrod]

I am just letting you all know that I will not be doing any posting on the 1. May as I will be spending The International Workers Day with my comrades, singing, marching and listening to speaches. (maybe a bit of drinking as well)I will just add that my May 1st goes in pretty similar fashion (while we may skip the march). But I try to at least pop in at around before midnight GMT, possibly a bit earlier.

[Volo]

Lucky you... I'll probably be sitting here working on my ethics essay. :/

[Nogrod]

Lucky you... I'll probably be sitting here working on my ethics essay. :/That sure calls for some virtue! :rolleyes:

[Volo]

Ok, I admit... I'll be pressing the "refresh" button in User CP or walking around the fields. :rolleyes:

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Don't worry, no speech of the dead coming... Just wanted to appear here and say that my computer was victorious and no viruses are threatening him any longer, just at the right time for me to come here for my death...

Anyway, enjoy the rest of the game!

Lucky you... I'll probably be sitting here working on my ethics essay. :/
Really? Actually, I'll be doing almost the same too tomorrow... what sort of a madman invented ethics anyway? ;)

[Nogrod]

what sort of a madman invented ethics anyway? ;)Possibly the one who realised that it would be best to us all as individuals to not fear every other all the time (individualistic answer) or those who thought that we should be brothers and sisters anyway (communitaristic answer). Or then there are a few more answers, but let these suffice at the moment.

So let's just stand the morals... whether they are innate to us, a duty or just good for us all... :D

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

Problem: I totaly forgot that they are turning off the electisity in my house the 2. May from 8 am to 3 pm. I am not sure how to solve this, but at least now you know why if you do not hear from me.

[Gil-Galad]

alright, this will be the last day with me, as i leave tomorrow night... by the time i get back it will probably be over anyways... its was a fun game!