Middle Earth Fantasy Football World Cup

[arcticstorm]

Welcome to the 2007 fantasy Middle Earth Cup. Sleepy or I will post the leaders after each round on this thread. THis thread will also be used for each person to post their teams.

Here are the rules:
Rules
1. Each manager may pick 11 players for his team

2. Unlimited trades will be allowed before the actual tournament starts

3. No more than three players from any given team may be on your team at one time.

4. Each manager will receive a total of ten trades to be used during the round robin rounds. These trades will officially take place after each individual round.

5. During the knock-out rounds each manager will receive two trades for each round.

6. A few friendlies will be played before the tournament so as to give potential managers a feel of how each player may or may not do during the actual tournament

7. the following formations are allowed:
4-4-2
3-5-2
4-3-3
4-5-1

8. point values are as follows

For each goal scored by your goalkeeper or defenders 6
For each goal scored by your midfielders 5
For each goal scored by your forwards 4
For each goal assist 3
For your goalkeeper / defender conceding 0 goals 4
For your midfielder conceding 0 goals (must also play at least 60 minutes) 1
For every 3 shot saves made by your goalkeeper 1
For every penalty save 5
For every penalty miss -2
Bonus points for the best players in a match 2
For every 2 goals conceded by your goalkeeper or defenders -1
For every yellow card -1
For every red card (includes any yellow card points) -3

[arcticstorm]

Here are the rosters by position
Forwards--you may choose 1-3 from this list so that your total may not exceed 11
current points are by the name

Tulkas – Valinor--0
Finwe - Tuna--4
Feanor - Tuna--0
Earwen – Tol Erresea--0
Frodo – Tol Eressea--4
Tar-Ancalime - Numenore--4
Tar-Telperien – Numenore--0
Felagund - Nargothrond--10
Mormegil – Nargothrond--14
Glorfindel – Gondolin--3
Eol - Doriath--0
Mablung – Doriath--6
Melkor - Angband--0
Gothmog – Angband--0
Galdor - Dor-Lomin--0
Turin - Dor-Lomin--2
Fingon - Dor-Lomin--0
Haldad – Brethil--0
Turambar – Brethil--0
Bullroarer Took – Shire-- 9
Pippin – Shire--0
Merry – Buckland--0
Tom Bombadil – Bree--4
Aragorn – Arnor--0
Arathorn – Arnor--0
Elendil – Arnor-- -1
Elrohir – Rivendell--0
Stone Giant – Misty Mountains--4
Beorn - Mirkwood--0
Necromancer – Mirkwood--0
Thorin III – Erebor--0
Bard – Erebor--0
Balin – Moria --0
Azog – Moria--0
Amdir - Lothlorien--0
Amroth – Lothlorien--0
Treebeard - Fangorn--3
Skinbark – Fangorn--6
Eomer - Rohan--0
Helm Hammerhand – Rohan--0
Anarion – Gondor--0
Faramir - Gondor--0
Boromir – Gondor--0
Witch-King - Mordor-- 0
Sauron – Mordor--0
Rune Son of Bjarne - Barrow-Downs--4
Saucepan Man - Barrow-Downs--0
Sleepy Ranger - Barrow-Downs--3
Sheriff - Tol-In-Gaurhoth--0
Lover - Tol-In-Gaurhoth--0
Tailbiter – Ham--4
Farmer Giles – Ham--8
Counselor Tompkins - Niggle’s Parish --0
Inspector – Niggle’s Parish--3
Faery Queen - Wooten Major--4
Nokes - Wooten Major--0
Horse of the Moon - Old Grey Hill--0
Guest - Old Grey Hill--4
Sun - Old Grey Hill--0
JRR Tolkien - Inklings--10
CS Lewis – Inklings--3
Roverandom - Roverandom--4
Man in the Moon – Roverandom--0

[arcticstorm]

Midfielders--you may choose 3 to 5 from this list so as your total does not exceed 11
current points are next to the names

Mandos - Valinor--1
Orome – Valinor--1
Pallando - Valinor--1
Eonwe - Valinor--1
Alatar – Valinor--1
Caranthir - Tuna--1
Ingwe - Tuna--1
Maedhros - Tuna--7
Finarfin – Tuna--1
Earendil – Tol Eressea--0
Elwing - Tol Eressea--0
Uinen - Tol Eressea--1
Indis – Tol Eressea--1
Ar-Pharazon - Numenore--1
Tar-Miriel - Numenore--0
Tar-Atanamir the Great – Numenore--1
Amandil – Numenore--6
Gundor - Nargothrond--3
Finduilas - Nargothrond--0
Arminas - Nargothrond--0
Mim – Nargothrond--0
Huor - Gondolin--0
Tuor - Gondolin--0
Turgon – Gondolin--5
Ecthelion - Gondolin--2
Hurin - Gondolin--5
Huan – Doriath--0
Daeron – Doriath--0
Saeros – Doriath--0
Dior - Doriath--1
Beleg – Doriath--1
Thuringwethel - Angband--6
Ungolient - Angband--1
Ulfast - Angband--1
Uldor – Angband--1
Rian - Dor-Lomin--0
Aeron - Dor-Lomin--0
Sador – Dor-Lomin--0
Handir - Brethil--0
Halmir - Brethil--0
Haldir - Brethil--0
Hareth – Brethil--0
Lotho Sackville-Baggins - Shire--1
Sam - Shire--1
Will Whitfoot - Shire--1
Hamfast Gamgee – Shire--1
Farmer Maggot - Buckland--0
Drogo - Buckland-- -1
Primula - Buckland--0
Gildor - Buckland--0
Estella Bolger – Buckland--0
Butterbur - Bree--1
Nob - Bree--0
Bob - Bree--1
Barrow-Wight - Bree--1
Harry – Bree--0
Isildur - Arnor-- -1
Earandur - Arnor--0
Arvedui - Arnor--0
Malvegil – Arnor--0
Celebrian - Rivendel--0
Tom - Rivendell--0
William - Rivendell--5
Bert - Rivendell-- -1
Gilraen – Rivendell--5
Dori – Misty Mountains--1
Bifur - Misty Mountains--1
Bofur - Misty Mountains--1
Gwaihir - Misty Mountains--4
Dwalin – Misty Mountains--8
Thranduil - Mirkwood--0
Grimbeorn - Mirkwood--0
Legolas - Mirkwood--0
Radagast - Mirkwood--0
Khamul – Mirkwood--0
Roac – Erebor--0
Thorin – Erebor--0
Fili - Erebor--0
Kili – Erebor--0
Narvi – Moria--1
Durin – Moria--1
Durin’s Bane - Moria--1
Thror – Moria--1
Gandalf - Lothlorien--1
Gimli - Lothlorien--3
Arwen – Lothlorien--1
Haldir – Lothlorien--1
Beechbone – Fangorn--0
Quickbeam – Fangorn--0
Leaflock - Fangorn--0
Saruman – Fangorn--0
Gamling - Rohan--0
Ghan-Buri-Ghan - Rohan--0
Wuflaf - Rohan--0
Theodred – Rohan--0
Forlong the Fat – Gondor--0
Hirgon – Gondor--0
Thengel – Gondor--0
Gothmog – Mordor--0
Nazgul – Mordor--0
Snaga - Mordor-- -1
Gorbag – Mordor--0
Arcticstorm – Barrow-downs--1
The Phantom – Barrow-downs--6
Feanor of the Peredhil – Barrow-downs--1
Seer – Tol-In-Gaurhoth--0
Hunter - Tol-In-Gaurhoth--0
Ranger - Tol-In-Gaurhoth--0
Mythomaniac – Tol-In-Gaurhoth--0
Miller – Ham--11
Parson – Ham--0
Bellomarius - Ham--0
Blacksmith Sunny Sam – Ham--0
Shepherd – Niggle’s Parish--0
Mr. Parish – Niggle’s Parish--0
Atkins - Niggle’s Parish--5
Perkins – Niggle’s Parish--0
Tim – Wooten Major--0
Tom - Wooten Major--0
Ned - Wooten Major--3
Nan – Wooten Major--0
Cow – Old Grey Hill--0
Saturday Dish - Old Grey Hill--0
Sunday Spoon – Old Grey Hill--0
Charles Williams - Inklings--4
Christopher Tolkien - Inklings--1
WH Lewis - Inklings--1
Owen Barfield - Inklings--1
Nevill Coghill – Inklings--1
Wizard Artaxerxez - Roverandom--6
Mrs. Artaxerxes - Roverandom--1
Psamtos - Roverandom--1
Mer-dog – Roverandom--1

[arcticstorm]

Defenders--you may choose 3 or 4 players from this list so that your total does not exceed 11
current points are by the names

Manwe - Valinor--4
Aule - Valinor--4
Yavanna - Valinor--4
Lorien - Valinor--4
Miriel - Tuna--4
Maglor - Tuna--4
Amrod - Tuna--4
Amras – Tuna--4
Vaire - Tol Erresea--4
Lindo - Tol Erresea--4
Osse - Tol Erresea--4
Olwe – Tol Erresea--4
Elros - Numenore--4
Aldarion - Numenore--4
Erendis – Numenore--4
Tar-Minastir – Numenore--4
Gelmir - Nargothrond--0
Curufin - Nargothrond--0
Orodreth - Nargothrond--0
Celegorm – Nargothrond--0
Idril – Gondolin--0
Voronwe - Gondolin--0
Maeglin - Gondolin--0
Aradhel – Gondolin--0
Beren – Doriath--4
Thingol - Doriath--4
Luthien – Doriath--4
Ancalagon the Black – Angband--6
Charcoroth – Angband--4
Ulfang - Angband--4
Draugluin – Angband--4
Morwen – Dor-Lomin--0
Nienor - Dor-Lomin--0
Hador - Dor-Lomin--0
Gundor – Dor-Lomin--0
Haleth - Brethil-- -1
Brandir - Brethil-- -1
Dorlas - Brethil-- -2
Hunthor – Brethil-- -1
The Old Took – Shire--4
Tom Cotton - Shire--4
Rosie Cotton – Shire--4
Ted Sandyman – Shire--4
Gormidoc Deepdelver – Buckland--0
Hob Hayward - Buckland--0
Fatty - Buckland--0
Gorhendad Oldbuck – Buckland--0
Goldberry - Bree--4
Bill Ferney – Bree--4
River Woman - Bree--4
Badger – Bree--4
Arvelag – Arnor-- 0
Argeleb – Arnor-- -1
Halbarad – Arnor-- -1
Bilbo – Rivendell-- -1
Elladan – Rivendell-- -1
Glorfindel – Rivendell-- 2
Erestor – Rivendell--2
Chief Warg – Misty Mountains--4
Gollum - Misty Mountains--4
Great Goblin - Misty Mountains--4
Nori - Misty Mountains--4
Wine Steward - Mirkwood--0
Guard - Mirkwood--0
Thrain – Mirkwood--0
Dain – Erebor--0
Brand – Erebor--0
Gloin – Erebor--0
Bombur – Erebor--0
Oin – Moria--4
Ori – Moria--4
Nar – Moria--4
Celebrimbor – Moria--4
Celeborn – Lothlorien--4
Nimrodel – Lothlorien--4
Rumil – Lothlorien--3
Orophin – Lothlorien--4
Ugluk – Fangorn--0
Wormtongue - Fangorn--0
Grishnakh - Fangorn--0
Fimbrethil – Fangorn--0
Erkenbrand - Rohan-- -1
Eorl the Young - Rohan-- -1
Hama - Rohan-- -1
Eowyn – Rohan-- -1
Damrod – Gondor -1
Denethor – Gondor -1
Beregond - Gondor -1
Imrahil – Gondor -1
Shagrat – Mordor--0
Mouth of Sauron – Mordor--0
Ufthak – Mordor--0
Lagduf - Mordor--0
Firefoot – Barrow-downs--4
Formendacil - Barrow-downs--4
Glirdan - Barrow-downs--4
Nogrod – Barrow-downs--4
Black Beorning – Tol-In-Gaurhoth-- -1
Cobbler - Tol-In-Gaurhoth-- -1
Ordinary Villager - Tol-In-Gaurhoth-- -1
Cursed Villager – Tol-In-Gaurhoth-- -4
Garm – Ham-- -1
Giant – Ham-- -1
Agatha - Ham-- -1
King Augustus Bonifacius – Ham-- -1
Mrs. Parish – Niggle’s Parish-- -2
First Voice – Niggle’s Parish-- -2
Second Voice – Niggle’s Parish-- -2
Porter – Niggle’s Parish-- -2
Chief Cook – Wooten Major-- -1
Art - Wooten Major-- -1
Harper - Wooten Major-- -1
Nell - Wooten Major-- -1
Ostler – Old Grey Hill--0
Tipsy Cat - Old Grey Hill--0
Landlord – Old Grey Hill--0
Dog - Old Grey Hill--0
Adam Fox - Inklings--4
Lord David Cecil - Inklings--4
Gervase Matthew – Inklings--4
Moon dog - Roverandom--4
Boy 2 - Roverandom--4
Great White Dragon - Roverandom--4
Sea Serpent – Roverandom--4

[arcticstorm]

Finally you must choose one of these goalkeepers so that your total number of players does not exceed 11--their current number of points appears next to their name

Varda - Valinor--3
Fingolfin - Tuna--4
Eriol – Tol Eressea—5
Tar-Palantir - Numenore--4
Beor - Nargothrond--0
Ulmo – Gondolin--0
Melian– Doriath--4
Glaurung – Angband--4
Brodda – Dor-Lomin--0
Niniel – Brethi—1
Lobelia Sackville-Baggins – Shire--4
Saradoc - Buckland--1
Old Man Willow – Bree--8
Trotter – Arnor--0
Elrond - Rivendell--0
Bolg – Misty Mountains--5
Spider – Mirkwood--0
Smaug – Erebor--0
Watcher in the Water – Moria--8
Galadriel –Lothlorien--4
Lugdush - Fangorn--0
Theoden – Rohan--1
Ecthelion – Gondor--0
Shelob – Mordor--0
Barrow-Wight – Barrowdowns--6
Werewolf – Tol-In-Gaurhoth--0
Chrysophylax Dives – Ham--0
Niggle – Niggle’s Parish-- -1
Smith – Wooten Major-- -1
Man in the Moon – Old Grey Hill--0
John Wain - Inklings--4
Tinker -Roverandom--5

[arcticstorm]

In order to get the ball rolling I will put my team up


GK--Glaurung(Angband)


DF--Ancalagon the Black (Angband)DF--Firefoot (BD)DF--Chief Warg(MM)


MFBellomarius (Ham) MF--Arcticstorm(BD) MF--WH Lewis (Inklings)
MF--Charles Williams (Inklings) MF--Pallando (Valinor)



FW--Tom Bombadil(Bree) FW--Saucepan Man (BD)

[Thenamir]

How will the stats be generated?

[Sleepy Ranger]

Stats of the players? Well, we've asigned each team a real-life counterpart which would be relevant to the strength of the area and team members of each part of Middle-Earth in the competition.

Now, we realize it'll be heard to estimate from this which is why we'll be holding a couple of friendly matches so you can get an idea of how the teams and players perform. Also, a look at the previous tournament will help give you an idea of the strength of a fair number of teams.

Hope that helps clear things out a bit. :)

[The Saucepan Man]

Ooh, I love fantasy football competitons, me. I used to run the fantasy league in my previous job. This one looks particularly promising by virtue of the fact that I can pick myself ... :D

A few questions about the rules for picking a team:

Are we able to pick the same players as other people participating?

Do trades simply consist of swapping one player for another? Do the players have to play in the same position, or can we change formations by making trades?

Well, we've asigned each team a real-life counterpart which would be relevant to the strength of the area and team members of each part of Middle-Earth in the competition.I would love to know which player is my real-life counterpart. Since the Barrow Downs are the World Champions, I'm thinking that it might be Ronaldo ...;)

[Sleepy Ranger]

Are we able to pick the same players as other people participating?


Yes, your team selection is completely independent of anybody else's.

Do trades simply consist of swapping one player for another? Do the players have to play in the same position, or can we change formations by making trades?

Yes, a trade is a simple player for player swap. No, the players need not play in the same position and the trade is valid as long as it keeps your team in one of the legal formations.

For example, say you've selected a 3-4-3 then you may swap a midfielder for a defender to change to a 4-3-3 or you may swap a forward for a midfielder to make it 3-5-2. However you may not swap a defender for any other position since that would decrease the total number of defenders to 2 and there is no legal formation with just 2 defenders.

Hope that helps clear it up. :)

For the sake of fair play we can't go about telling you which team is which though I reckon once the screenshots start coming up you'll figure it out anyway. On that note, no, you're not Ronaldo. Your counterparts name starts with 'A' actually. Not that I'm confirming a team or anything...

[Volo]

GK - Niggle (Niggle's Parish)



DF - First Voice (Niggle's Parish)DF - Nogrod (Tje Narrow Downs)DF - Oin (Moria)DF - Gollum (Misty Mountains)



MF - Mr. Parish (Niggle's Parish)MF - Seer (Tol-In-Gaurhoth)MF - Mîm (Nargothrond)
MF - Thuringwethil (Angband)



FW - Nokes (Wootton Major)FW - Eöl (Doriath)

[Nogrod]

Noggs' Ball

GK
Beor (Nargothrond) - traded for Smaug

DEFENCE
Nogrod (Barrow-Downs)
Maeglin (Gondolin)
Ancalagon the Black (Angband)
Firefoot (Barrow-Downs) - traded for Manwë

MIDDLEFIELD
Feanor of the Peredhil (Barrow-Downs)
Húrin (Gondolin) - traded for Beleg
Maedhros (Tuna)


FORWARDS
Finwë (Tuna) - traded for Tulkas
Gothmog (Angband)
Witch-King (Mordor)

I was especially sad to lose Elrohir and Rosie Cotton... but this team I think has better options to make it further... not only because of the teams they represent.

I still have been idealistic enough, I think, having Smaug, Nogrod, Fea, Beleg, Tulkas and the Witch-King in my team instead of Sauce, Sleepy and the others who will score the points... and as it seems that every one here is having his person in the game how could I play without my character at the line-up?

[The Saucepan Man]

Formation: 4-3-3

GK:
Ulmo (Gondolin)

DF:
Maglor (Tuna) (replaced Manwe 19 July)
Goldberry (Bree)
Maeglin (Gondolin)
Chief Warg (Misty Mountains) (replaced Elros 21 July)

MF:
Beleg (Doriath)
Thuringwethil (Angband) (replaced Legolas 19 July)
the phantom (The Barrow Downs)

FW:
Mormegil (Nargothrond)
The Saucepan Man (The Barrow Downs)
Sauron (Mordor) (replaced Pippin Took 19 July)

I'm quite happy with this team. Valinor, Bree and Numenor had the best defensive records in last year's competition, and Gondolin (having reclaimed Maeglin from Angband) appear to have bulit a solid defence this time round.

Beleg, Legolas and the phantom are all good attacking midfielders who like to get forward and will hopefully provide goals as well as assists. I believe that Beleg was the top scoring midfielder last time round.

Mormegil is a no-brainer for me, having won the Yellow Boot Trophy (in the guise of Turin) last year. Logic tells me to pick Sleepy, as he takes the penalties for the Downs, but I have gone with my heart and picked myself. We both scored prolifically in the 2006 competition. Pippin Took is a bit of a gamble, however. He was the surprise package last year, and his pace and guile were breathtaking. But, with the transfer of Merry to Buckland, he has lost his regular strike partner and it remains to be seen how well he will combine with his renowned ancestor. Their performance in the recent friendly bodes well, though.

[Sleepy Ranger]

But how do you people do these neat starting line-ups as whatever I try they end up being in a row...?

I haven't the slightest clue. Just thought I'd point out that to keep the thread from getting flooded whenever you make a trade, instead of reposting your team just edit your original team please. It'll make it easier for arcticstorm and I to tabulate points. :)

As for my team.

Formation: 4-3-3

GK:
Ulmo (Gondolin)

DF:
Glirdan (Barrow-Downs)
Ancalagon the Black (Angband)
Aule (Valinor)
Celeborn (Lothlorien)

MF:
The Phantom (Barrow-Downs)
Durin's Bane (Moria)
Sam (Shire)

FW:
Sleepy Ranger (Barrow-Downs)
Sauron (Mordor)
Melkor (Angband)

I picked Ulmo as my goalkeeper because he does seem to be a good talent as Saucepan Man too has spoted. I'm certain the the 'Downs defence will leak goals but Glirdan got an assist last season and I reckon he may be running forward a lot this season as well. I've picked Ancalagon and Aule because of their defensive prowess. I'm quite confident that they can bring home clean-sheet points.

As for forwards, well somebody *has* to pick *me*. I was in two minds about the other two first. I reckoned Sauron and Witch-King would pair up brilliantly and not only score but create as well. Eventually I decided to give Angband's front-man Melkor a look. I could always transfer out if there's any need for a change.

Also, I thought I'd take this oppurtunity to tell you how saves per match are calculated. Did you notice how in the friendlies under shots there were two numbers? The one in the bracket is assumed to be the number of shots saved. If there is any difference it will be noted. Just in case you wish to verify the scores. :)

[Elmo]

I'm always terrible at these things... Here it goes

Formation: 4-3-3
GK:
Ulmo (Gondolin)

DF:
Idril (Gondolin) Voronwe (Gondolin) Aule (Valinor) Manwe (Valinor)

MF:
Thuringethil (Angband) Orome (Valinor) Khamul (Mirkwood)

FW:
Sleepy Ranger (Barrowdowns) Saucepan Man (Barrowdowns) Rune Son of Bjarn (Barrowdowns)

I've swiped the whole Barrowdown forward line because I know they'll be banging them in, I can't see Gondolin and Valinor conceding many with their formation of death. I'm a bit over reliant on a few teams but meh.

[Volo]

One can pick players that an other person has already picked?

EDIT: Yes.

[The Saucepan Man]

Formation: 3-4-3But Sleepy, that's not a permissible formation ...

[Nogrod]

I didn't follow the last year's tournament but am I right when I'm beginning to wonder whether everyone wishing to win this should pick up Sleepy as he will make himself the top scorer of the games? :D

[Thenamir]

I know next-to-nothing about this brand of football, but here's my picks based on sheer guesswork:

GK--Watcher in the Water (Moria)


DF--Beren (Doriath)DF--Glorfindel (Rivendell)DF--Luthien(Doriath)


MF--Gwaihir (Misty Mountains) Maedhros (Tuna) The Phantom (Barrow-Downs)
MF--Dwalin (Misty Mountains) Miller (Ham)



FW--Mormegil (Nargothrond) FW--Saucepan Man (Barrow-Downs)

EDIT: This team reflects changes made before the matches played on July 18th

The Watcher in the Water is a natural goalkeeper -- between size, strength, and all those arms, he should prove a worthy adversary.

For defenders I chose the husband-wife team of Beren and Luthien for their skill in stealing the prize from even the strongest of adversaries, and Glorfindel of Rivendell for his ability to get through tough situations against multiple opponents.

At midfield, the Gandalf-Gwaihir pairing seemed like a good combination of speed and experience. Balance that out with Quickbeam as the steady power-player, Legolas for dexterity, and Sam for gritty stick-to-it-iveness, I believe I have a formidable center.

Finally, a pair of unusual picks at forward. Tulkas seems more like a defender-type, but I am casting against type here because I believe that Tulkas will be able to dominate his way around (and through!) most defenders. Frodo is the exact opposite of Tulkas -- small, relatively weak, and with a demonstrated tendency to slip and make mistakes right at the scoring opportunity. However, with faithful Sam at midfield, he should be able to obtain the goal.

Let the games begin!

[Sleepy Ranger]

But Sleepy, that's not a permissible formation ...

It's not? Ouch... thanks for pointing that out. How stupid of me... :o

I didn't follow the last year's tournament but am I right when I'm beginning to wonder whether everyone wishing to win this should pick up Sleepy as he will make himself the top scorer of the games?

Of course not. All matches are simulated... :p

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

I shall play an atractive 4-3-3 like the one Laudrup will no doubt introduce in Getafe.

GK:
Fingolfin - Tuna

DF:
Glorfindel – Rivendell
Ancalagon the Black – Angband
Ulfang - Angband
Thingol - Doriath

MF:
Tuor - Gondolin
Feanor of the Peredhil – Barrow-downs
Gandalf - Lothlorien

FW:
Witch-King - Mordor
Rune Son of Bjarne - Barrow-Downs
Stone Giant – Misty Mountains

As you can see there has been no strategy involved in my selection of players.

Chant:
We love you team Rune we do!
We love you team Rune we do!
We love you team Rune we do!
oooooh team Rune we love you!

Rune is our hero and showed us how to play
The mighty Reds of Middle-Earth is out to win today
He made a team of champions where every man is king
And every game we love to win and this is what we sing:

We love you team Rune we do!
We love you team Rune we do!
We love you team Rune we do!
oooooh team Rune we love you!

We won league we won the cup we are masters of the game
And just to prove how good we are we'll do it once again
We got another team to beat and so we got to try
Cause we are the best in all the land and that's the reason why:

We love you team Rune we do!
We love you team Rune we do!
We love you team Rune we do!
oooooh team Rune we love you!

Fingolfin is our goallie the best there is around
And Tuor is the greates that Rune ever found
Gandalf is our favourit the wizard of the game
and here is that mighty Stone Giant to do it once again!

We love you team Rune we do!
We love you team Rune we do!
We love you team Rune we do!
oooooh team Rune we love you!

(that was the best I could come up with in 10 min. as you can see it does not fit intirely as it is a Liverpool song. . .that is also the reason to why my team goes under the name "the reds")

[Thenamir]

Can we set up more than one team? My current team is all "Good Guys" (save the Watcher, who I think is motivated merely by self-interest rather than picking a side) I'd like to pick a "Dark Side" team to see how one fares against the other.

[Sleepy Ranger]

Sorry Thenamir I'm afraid it's one team per person. If you'd like you still have unlimited trades till the tournament starts. A few friendlies have been posted in the other thread which may help in picking your final team. :)

Also, I think you're a bit off on your idea of what's actually going on. Your team won't really be playing, instead each player will be given individual points depending on how they perform in the matches they play for their teams in the actual World Cup. :)

[Thenamir]

Right. I understand the basic concept of fantasy leagues, though I've never participated heretofore. I just wanted to see how the good guys would stack up against the bad guys. Thanks!

[Nogrod]

Of course not. All matches are simulated... :pJust out of curiosity though... How are you making this? Are you just picking some already existing teams from the game and assigning them to these fantasy teams - like Nottingham Forest will be the Barrow-Downs and Dundee united will be Fangorn; Peter Crouch is Rune, Steven Gerrard is Spm and Dirk Kuyt is Sleepy - or are you actually creating new teams with something like a team-editor to play against each other?

In the first case it might be nice to know which teams you are making to play as which fantasy team. Knowing there is Didier Drogba and Frank Lampard hiding behind Elendil and Isildur might make a difference with the choosing... :D

In the second case, are you making all the teams as good and players in different positions as good compared to each other in other teams?

[Sleepy Ranger]

All the teams have a real-life counterpart behind them. The reason they've not been given away is to maintain the aura of the contest. Though I reckon when screen-shots start going up you'll probably start figuring it out yourself. As for now all we can reveal is that the teams have been assigned based on strength of the area and to an extent, their fan support. The more central characters will be given to priority for the best players on their respective teams.

Just as an example,
Were Angband to be Argentina. Melkor would be Crespo.

Think along those lines and it'll clear it up for you. :)

[Nogrod]

Like I thought it would be...

I'm not competitive in this. Indeed I think this is just pure fun for an occasional football fan like me. But just as a matter of principle, isn't there a minor problem with you and Arcticstorm taking part in this as you will know exactly which team is which and who will be who?

To be sure, I'm not wishing you to reveal the teams or the players as that would mean that we all players here would have the tools to start working with our choises to make educated guesses about the relative chances of certain players' success - and that's the last thing I want as I think this should be fun played with the left hand and not something I'd need to study and work with.

But you should try these "team-editor" -things one day. It's a bit of work but it's fun also. We used to have something like 20+ teams with my Fifa 03 (04?) together with Lommy and her sis. There were the teams of the ancient Greek philosophers and the German philosophers of the 19th and 20th century (following the lead from Monty Python), there was the cartoon team Comix (characters from Asterix, Tintin etc.), the sci-fi team (characters from Iain M. Banks, Star Wars, Star Trek etc.), Tolkien goodies team and a baddies team (that's why I will cling to the Witch King as he was the top-scorer in that team of ours :D), a team of RL dictators (Mussolini, Hitler, Mao, Stalin... their playing suits were green with tints of red and gold like military style), a team Enlightenment (from Franklin to Robespierre), Corpus Christi for medieval theologians and a team for 15th-16th century humanists (Montaigne, Ficino... funnily including Savonarola!), there were Hollywood stars and Finnish national cultural heroes, there was a team of Lommy's an her sis' roleplay characters and a team of our shared fantasy-characters with whom we make Olympic-games (in things like archery, drinking, writing poems, Ms./Mr. competition, card-playing, composing, drawing/painting, favourite song judgement, the weakest link etc...) and whatever...

And we actually built those teams from scratch making every player with the looks and the stats from nothing just trying to balance the overall level of all teams to be relatively competent with each other. That was a lot of fun - and playing threesome with these teams was just great.

Sadly we lost them all when I had to upgrade my computer as the earlier one broke off... :(

[Volo]

...their fan support.

You mean Niggle's Parish will be the strongest team around? :D

[Sleepy Ranger]

As nice as it would be to make all the teams that would bring about two problems. The first in the game I'm using it costs game money to make players, I wouldn't have near enough for the required number of players. Second, there's only enough room for about 15 teams. So again, it wouldn't really permit a World Cup.

Mind you, we have selected only the stronges of the teams in the game. So everyone should have a decent shout at doing something. :)

[the phantom]

Can we please run 3-4-3 since Arnor is doing it in the tournament? I was trying to put together a team and my 3-4-3 team is the only one I really like.

[Sleepy Ranger]

After talking it over with Arciticstorm we've decided to make 3-4-3 a legal formation. To give you time for any changes we'll postpone the tournaments beginning to the 10th, so you have ONE day more to make any changes before the trade system kicks in.

[Glirdan]

Okay, I think I've finally picked my team.....

GK:
THEODEN (Rohan)

DF:
GLIRDAN (Barrow-Downs)
GLORFINDEL (Rivendell)
CELEBORN (Lothlorien)
EOWYN (Rohan)

MF:
TURGON (Gondolin)
SAM (Shire)
DAERON (Doriath)

FW:
SLEEPY RANGER (Barrow-Downs)
THE SAUCEPAN-MAN (Barrow-Downs)
TREEBEARD (Fangorn)

[The Saucepan Man]

Hmm, I'm not so sure that it is a good idea to allow the 3-4-3 formation in a fantasy football competition.

As far as I am aware, it is a very rare formation in real life as it can leave teams very vulnerable at the back. It is an option available only to very skilfull teams, and is uncommon even then. Yet, in the fantasy game, it is the only sensible option, as it minimises the prospects of gaining negative points (from defenders), while maximising the prospects of gaining positive points (From midfielders and forwards). Also, the 3-4-3 formation requires defensive midfielders in reality, whereas defensive midfielders are rarely selected in fantasy football games.

Making the 3-4-3 formation available in the fantasy football competition means that everyone (if they have any sense) will have the same formation, reduces the impact of defenders on the competition (thus lessening the skill involved in selecting them) and does not really reflect 'real life' (as it is the only sensible choice for fantasy football, but rare in the real world).

Accordingly, I would recommend retaining the prohibition on the 3-4-3 formation.

If, however, it is to be allowed, then my team will (obviously) change to that formation, and be reconfigured as follows:

[DELETED, as no longer required]

[Elmo]

Hmmm... Rune I didn't realise you could have a song I think the rather depressing Del Amitri number which was Scotland's song in the World Cup 1998 which was the last world cup they qualified, fits my team exactly

So long, go on and do your best,
Let all friends have whiskey on express,
The world may not be shaking yet
but you might prove them wrong,
Even long shots make it

So go then, out into history,
And show them how easy it can be,
You might not believe it yet
but pretty soon you'll see,
Even long shots make it,

Just don't come home too soon,
Just don't come home too soon,

And I don't care what people say,
We can laugh it all away,
But if I have a dream at all
for once you won't be on that stupid plane

And the world may not be shaking yet,
But you might prove them wrong,
Even long shots make it

Just don't come home too soon,
Just don't come home too soon,
I don't care what people say
(just don't come home too soon)
We're gonna laugh it all the way
(just don't come home too soon)




As you can tell expectations weren't high for that tournament and those expectations were met:( (as least we qualified for that one)

[Sleepy Ranger]

Hmm... makes sense. Well, I have to agree with the Panman on this one I guess. The 3-4-3 still remains prohibited. Sorry Phantom. Well, Panman stick with your original team and Phantom you need to go with a permitted formation. Sorry! :)

[the phantom]

Yet, in the fantasy game, it is the only sensible option, as it minimises the prospects of gaining negative points (from defenders), while maximising the prospects of gaining positive points (From midfielders and forwards).
Yes, that's why my 3-4-3 team was the only one I was particularly comfortable with.

Hmph, now I must remake my team. One thing's for sure.... SPM is getting the boot for ruining my team! :p

edit: Well, you're back on the team, Sauce.

Current team....

NAME: PHANTASY

FW
THE SAUCEPAN MAN (BDs) (replaced Feanor, Tuna)
MORMEGIL (Nargothrond)

MF
MAEDHROS (Tuna)
HURIN (Gondolin)
THE PHANTOM (BDs)
EONWE (Valinor)
THURINGWETHIL (Angband)

DF
ANCALAGON (Angband) (replaced Maglor, Tuna)
CURUFIN (Nargothrond)
MAEGLIN (Gondolin)

GK
ULMO (Gondolin)

Woo hoo!! Go Phantasy!!

[Sleepy Ranger]

Saucey and Phantom, could you delete the teams that you won't be using so as to avoid confusion? Also, to everyone, when making a trade post to notify and then edit your original post with the necessary changes so as to avoid confusion and clogging. :)

Thanks!

[THE Ka]

Formation: 4-3-3

GK:

Ulmo (Gondolin)

DF:

Ulwe (Tol Eressea)
Glorfindel (Rivendell)
Fimbrethil (Fangorn)
Tipsy Cat (Old Grey Hill)

MF:

Hunter (Tol-In-Gauroth)
Radagast (Mirkwood)
Gandalf (Lothlorien)

FW:

Sleepy Ranger (Barrow-Downs)
Finwe (Tuna)
Melkor (Angband)

:) Sorry for being a bit late in adding up my team, this should be fun to watch. Well, I'm off to make a new Graham Pott interview.

~ Ka

[Nogrod]

Okay.

I've reshuffled my team a bit in post #12 (Noggs' Ball). So there's my current line-up.

But just a few questions.

Why do you Sleepy say that we should consider the first fixtures according to our choices? Aren't every team going to play exactly the same amount of matches? When indeed is the time when we may change our line-ups for those ten changes we have - are there some restrictions?

Is there any additional "charge" if many players (coaches?) will like to sign the same player later? Or any advantage if someone has picked the "hot-player" already in the round robin -phase?

Can the managers trade players between themselves if both agree and are these counted to the general trade-numbers (how many players one can change on each step of the tournament)?

[Sleepy Ranger]

Why do you Sleepy say that we should consider the first fixtures according to our choices?

It's always good to get in a fair number of points in the first round. It's just a suggestion, nothing more. :)

Aren't every team going to play exactly the same amount of matches?

Yes, only in the first stage of the tournament. Since the second is a knockout round, it would be rather unpredicatble.

When indeed is the time when we may change our line-ups for those ten changes we have - are there some restrictions?

The ten trades are now in effect. Any change made now will be considered a trade.

Is there any additional "charge" if many players (coaches?) will like to sign the same player later?

I don't quite understand your question. If you're asking whether if you have a player but trade him out and then want to trade him back in will there be a charge, then yes. Once a player is traded out to trade him back in you will have to use up a trade so yeah, use your trades wisely.

Or any advantage if someone has picked the "hot-player" already in the round robin -phase?

It's always an advantage to have the player on a streak in your team. You won't get any bonuses for the player being the best though. :p

Can the managers trade players between themselves if both agree and are these counted to the general trade-numbers (how many players one can change on each step of the tournament)?

No, all teams are independant of the other and therefore inter-team trades are not allowed. Managers may have the same player, in fact, they may have completely identical teams since neither team would be affected by the other. All trades are only possible in regards to the main roster.

Hopefully that clears it up! :)

[Thenamir]

How often will you be posting the standings?

[Sleepy Ranger]

Points will be updated after each round. Trades must be completed by 12:30pm GMT, unless otherwise stated. :)

Here are the points for today,

Erebor
The entire team recieved 0 points.

Angband
The defence + goalkeeper recieved 4 points.
Ancalagon the Black recieved 6 points.
The midfield recieved 1 point.
Thuringwethel recieved 6 points.
The forwards recieved 0 points.

Lothlorien
The defence + goalkeeper recieved 4 points.
Rumil recieved 3 points.
The midfield recieved 1 point.
Gimli recieved 3 points.
The forwards recieved 0 points.

Shire
The entire defence + goalkeeper recieved 4 ponts.
The entire midfield recieved 1 point.
The forwards recieved 0 points.

Mordor
The entire defence + goalkeeper recieved 0 points.
The midfield recieved 0 points.
Snaga recieved -1 points.
The forwards recieved 0 points.

Roverandom
The entire defence recieved 4 points.
Tinker recieved 5 points.
The midfield recieved 1 point.
Wizard recieved 6 points.
Roverandom recieved 4 points.
Man in the Moon recieved 0 points.

Rohan
The entire defence + goalkeeper recieved -1 points.
The entire midfield and the forwards recieved 0 points.

Inklings
The entire defence + goalkeeper recieved 4 points.
The midfield recieved 1 point.
Charles Williams recieved 4 points.
J.R.R Tolkien recieved 10 points.
C.S Lewis recieved 3 points.

[Sleepy Ranger]

Arcticstorm's Team
GK: Glaurung (4 points)
DF: Ancalagon the Black (6 points)
MF: WH Lewis (1 point)
MF: Charles Williams (4 points)

Total: 15 points

Volo's Team
MF: Thuringwethil (6 points)

Total: 6 points

Nogg's Ball
GK: Smaug (0 points)
DF: Ancalagon the Black (6 points)
FW: Witch-King (0 points)

Total: 6 points

Saucepan (Un)Athletic
FW: Pippin Took (0 points)

Total: 0 points

Sleepy Ranger's Team
DF: Ancalagon the Black (6 points)
DF: Celeborn (4 points)
MF: Sam (1 point)
FW: Sauron (0 points)
FW: Melkor (0 points)

Total: 11 points

Elmo's Team
MF: Thuringwethil (6 points)

Total: 6 points

Thenamir Untied
MF: Gandalf (1 point)
MF: Sam (1 point)

Total: 2 points

Rune's Team
DF: Ancalagon the Black (6 points)
DF: Ulfang (4 points)
MF: Gandalf (1 point)
FW: Witch-King (0 points)

Total: 11 points

Glirdan's Team
GK: Theoden (-1 point)
DF: Celeborn (4 points)
DF: Eowyn (-1 point)
MF: Sam (1 point)

Total: 3 points

Phantom's Team
MF: Thuringwethil (6 points)

Total: 6 points

Ka's Team
MF: Gandalf (1 point)
FW: Melkor (0 points)

Total: 1 point

It seems everyone missed out on today's big scorer, J.R.R Tolkien, who bagged 10 points. Only three teams managed to score more than 10 points in the first round, surely the other rounds can only improve the standings. Of course, many people had very few players playing today. Only Saucepan Man scored a 0 today but in his defence, he only had one person playing today. At the end of round 1, the Phantom has secured bragging rights over Saucepan Man as the better analysist.

[Nogrod]

This probably is the thread where we should annouce our trades, right? Should we do it by editing our teams in the first post where we made our teams or post them as a new post? And if it's the first one - as I guess it is - should we notify you with a new post that we have edited our teams or is it enough that we just edit those line-ups back there and trust that you pay heed to our changes?

Not that I'm in any hurry... I will surely look at the second round of these round-robins to see whether my team's players will pick up with some performances or not (like Witch-King, Gothmog, Smaug etc.). Some of them clearly had a bad day in the first round but might prove valuable later on...

PS. Rune is leading!!! Way to go!

[Sleepy Ranger]

Yes, Nogrod we would appreciate it very much if you announced your trade in a new post before editing your team in your original post. Though we would double check your team at the deadline to finalize it for that round.

Yes, indeed. I was really expecting Melkor and Sauron to score at least one goal a piece especially since they were such big favorites for their respective matches. Well nevermind, I'm sure they'll do better in the games to come.

Just one note, at the end of the first stage your unused trades will not be taken into account so there will be no stocking of trades to the next round. :)

[Nogrod]

Thanks Sleepy!

One more question though.

Is it kind of appreciated or scorned if people went speculating about the teams here in the thread - I was not here last time around and don't know the "silent rules"... I think some of the photos of the first games were quite revealing indeed...

[Sleepy Ranger]

No spectulation on the real life team please. Also, as to how revealing they are, believe me, you're probably wrong on your first though with some teams as I've taken the pains to actually play around with their kits a bit... ;)

So yeah, what you see may not be what you get. :)

In short, no spectulations on who their real life counterparts may be.

[arcticstorm]

Here are the points for today:

Numenore
Tar Ancalime—4
Amandil—6
Elros—4
Aldarion—4
Erendis—4
Tar-Minastir —4
Ar-Pharazon—1
Tar-Miriel—0
Tar-Atanamir the Great—1
Tar-Palantir —4


Buckland
Saradoc—1
Drogo— -1

Misty Mountains
Chief Warg—4
Gollum—4
Great Goblin—4
Nori —4
Dori—1
Bifur—1
Bofur—1
Dwalin —8
Stone Giant—4
Gwaihir—4
Bolg—5

Tol-In-Gaurhoth
Werewolf—0
Black Beorning— -1
Cobbler— -1
Ordinary Villager— -1
Cursed Villager — -4

Bree
Tom Bombadil—4
Goldberry—4
Bill Ferney—4
River Woman—4
Badger —4
Butterbur—1
Nob—0
Bob—1
Barrow-Wight—1
Harry—0
Old Man Willow—8

Mirkwood
Spider—0


Ham
Farmer Giles—8
Tailbiter— 4
Miller—11
Chrysophylax Dives —0
Garm— -1
Giant— -1
Agatha— -1
King Augustus Bonifacius — -1


Rivendell
William—5
Gilraen— 5
Glorfindel—2 points
Bert— -1
Elrond—0
Bilbo— -1
Elladan— -1
Erestor — -1

[arcticstorm]

Today's points
Arcticstorm's Team
DF: Chief Warg—4
MF: Bellomarius—0
FW: Tom Bombadil—4
Total 8 points

Volo's Team
DF - Gollum --4
MF - Seer 0
Total:4 points

Saucepan (Un)Athletic
DF: Goldberry —4
DF: Elros —4
MF: Legolas –0
Total 8 points
Elmo’s Team
MF: Khamul—0
Total 0 points

Thenamir Untied
DF—Glorfindel —2
MF--Gwaihir—4
MF--Legolas—0
Total 6 points

Rune’s Team
DF: Glorfindel —2
FW: Stone Giant—4
Total 6 points

Glirdan’s Team
DF:GLORFINDEL—2
Total: 2 points

Ka’s Team
DF Glorfindel—2
MF: Hunter—0
MF: Radagast—0
Total: 2 points

And here is the leaderboard
Arcticstorm's Team: 23 points
Rune's Team: 17 points
Sleepy Ranger's Team: 11 points
Volo's Team: 10 points
Saucepan (Un)Athletic: 8 Points
Thenamir Untied: 8 points
Nogg's Ball: 6 points
Phantom’s Team: 6 points
Elmo's Team: 6 points
Glirdan’s team: 5 points
Ka’s Team: 3 points

[Thenamir]

I don't want to unduly add to your recordkeeping burdens, but if it's not too much trouble it would be handy for trading purposes to have, after each round or so, a listing of all the players with their cumulative points scored so far in the competition. For those of us for whom football is a game played with a distinctly misshapen ball.

EDIT: Hurrah! I'm moving up in the pack, tied with Saucepan!

DOUBLE TAKE: Is there anyone else who sees a twinge of conflict-of-interest in ArcticStorm participating, since AS has knowledge of the real-life counterparts of the ME players? :Merisu:

TRIPLE EDIT: I abused my powers as a Downs Admin to edit the name of my team in the foregoing posts, to "Thenamir Untied" -- in case anyone was wondering. :D

[Sleepy Ranger]

Actually I'm the only one who knows the player to player counterpart. :smokin:
Anyway, AS and I are just in it for the fun we don't get the big prize in the end. Ah, yes, of course theres a prize my precious... :p

While it would be a bit inconvenient since the list would probably begin to grow too large, I'll talk to Arcticstorm about editing the original lists with the points tally.

Thenamir Untied, that reminds me of that entire Elrohir trip goal last time around... :rolleyes:

[Nogrod]

DOUBLE TAKE: Is there anyone else who sees a twinge of conflict-of-interest in ArcticStorm participating, since AS has knowledge of the real-life counterparts of the ME players? :Merisu:I kind of tried to put this same question as I said that Rune's Reds were leading after the first day matches (while it clearly was Arcticstorm who lead and Sleepy was tied with Rune)... I mean this is fun and should be that way and I don't think this should be raised as an issue but surely if someone else is pondering on this so... Looking at the fair-play point of view both Sleepy's and Arcticstorm's participation is kind of odd as they have a lot of knowledge we others don't. Then again I can see this as just too much fun for them to miss it...

But their status surely is questionable from a fair-play point of view.

Maybe we could say that for those two to win they need to gather 30 points more than the next one or something? :D

---

I took a little time to look at the teams of the participants. Now some of them have names and some do not... and in Arcticstorms last report some were handled with the "team-name" and others were not.

So just to be slick and cool, should everyone have a team name or should we refer to each other only by forum names?

Here's the list of the "teams" at the moment:

Arcticstorm
The Fifth Wall (Volo)
Nogg’s Ball (Nogrod)
Saucepan (Un)Athletic
Second Best (Sleepy) ???
Elmo
Thenamir Untied
The Reds (Rune)
Glirdan
the phantom
The Ka

[Sleepy Ranger]

Oh come now, lay off arcticstorm. He doesn't know the player to player counterparts, only I know that. Despite which I went ahead and picked my favorite ME personas. Mainly due to the fact that I'm really too lazy to bother looking it up till match time. ;)

Yes, Nogrod, my team is called Second Best and I second that everyone should name their team. It makes things more fun. As stated earlier AS and I don't win the grand prize obviously, we're just in it for the fun of it.

[Nogrod]

I see what you mean and if Arcticstorm is as blind as we are there is no problem... not that it would have been a problem to me even if he knew the teams but if many people would have thought the game basically unfair it would have influenced the general mood and made it less fun...

So let's just hope Sleepy your favourites aren't too good in football.. :p

The rest of the players: come up with nice team-names!

[Thenamir]

I did not mean to raise too much of a ruckus, and if Arcticstorm is as much in the dark as we, then I say Play On, Macduff! :D

[the phantom]

Despite which I went ahead and picked my favorite ME personas.
Yes, I would have done the same. I do my commentaries and predictions as if the Middle Earth characters are honestly playing the game, rather than a bunch of fairly equal computer simulated characters. Obviously, if I based my writings on what is really going on I wouldn't be so lopsided in favor of one team or the other, since none of your computer teams is honestly as overmatched as a team of kitchen utensils and drunken cats would be in real life.

So, I call games the way I want to, and when a team advances that certainly would not advance in real life, I cry foul play and slander the team's players and coaches. That's much more entertaining than knowing the real teams and making predictions based on that.

Hmmm... a name for my team.... I think I'll keep things simple-

Phantasy

[The Saucepan Man]

Hehe, the (un)athletic boys are slowly coming good. :D

I suggest that we lay off Arctic and Sleepy as they have been so good as to organise this thing for us in the first place and, in any event, it's all just a bit of fun. You might as well disqualify the likes of phantom and me from the competition, as we know how some of the teams fared las year. For that matter, you might as well disqualify anyone who knows anything about football from participating in any fantasy leagues as it's unfair on those who don't. Let's just forget any question of 'inside knowledge' and get on with having fun.

I do my commentaries and predictions as if the Middle Earth characters are honestly playing the game, rather than a bunch of fairly equal computer simulated characters.Yes, I do much the same, although I try to equate the 'backstory' of the characters with footballing 'cliches', rather than simply basing it on their respective 'power levels'. That's probably why my analyses are so much more accurate in their predictions than yours. :p That and the fact that I also have a mind to last year's form.

My fantasy team, of course, was purely based on last year's form, what with me being such a hugely competitive fellow 'n all. ;)

Obviously, if I based my writings on what is really going on I wouldn't be so lopsided in favor of one team or the other, since none of your computer teams is honestly as overmatched as a team of kitchen utensils and drunken cats would be in real life.But you tend to forget one of Tolkien's recurring themes - the weak prevailing against the odds where the strong fail. That's why Hobbit teams can sometimes prevail over those lofty Elf Lord types. Although I take your point about dishes, spoons and tipsy cats ...

[the phantom]

That and the fact that I also have a mind to last year's form.

My fantasy team, of course, was purely based on last year's form, what with me being such a hugely competitive fellow 'n all.
Heh heh... you cheater. :p

My picks are based completely on what I think ought to happen. I don't consider last year at all.
But you tend to forget one of Tolkien's recurring themes - the weak prevailing against the odds where the strong fail. That's why Hobbit teams can sometimes prevail over those lofty Elf Lord types.
I don't think that sort of thing works in soccer, laddie.

Take Frodo's Ring trek. Sauron had no idea what the other team was trying to accomplish, and did not know where the ball (Ring) was. That does not happen on the soccer field.

There is a clearly defined method of victory (putting the ball in the net) and the ball can only be put there in certain ways legally. You can't pick up the ball, toss it into the stands, have a crowd member carry it behind the goal, and then toss it to someone standing on top of the goal to drop it in. That sort of trickery is not allowed. The ball cannot come from the rear nor can it completely disappear from view only to pop up on the opposite end of the field. Soccer is much more like a huge battle than some sort of quest. And in a straight up fight, the inferior participant does not tend to win in Tolkien's works. When Morgoth/Sauron have the military advantage, they win. Oh sure, there are some glorious moments in defeat (Fingolfin's duel, Dor-Lomin's last stand), but the outcome is rarely any sort of "upset".

So don't even try that angle with me. I refuse to believe any explanation for hobbits faring well in this tournament. They're cheats! Big fat prediction-ruining cheats!! Aaaaaggghhhh!!!!

*gasps for air after rant*

[Thenamir]

That and the fact that I also have a mind to last year's form.

My fantasy team, of course, was purely based on last year's form, what with me being such a hugely competitive fellow 'n all.

Heh heh... you cheater.


They're cheats! Big fat prediction-ruining cheats!! Methinks Phantom doth protest overmuch. See my post here. (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=527944&postcount=40)

[arcticstorm]

Sorry these are so late in coming.
All players have their current point values by their names in the original list.
Today's results


Moria
Oin –4
Ori – 4
Nar – 4
Celebrimbor – 4
Narvi – 1
Durin – 1
Durin’s Bane –1
Thror –-1
Watcher in the water—8

Valinor
Manwe –4
Aule—4
Yavanna –4
Lorien—4
Mandos –1
Orome –1
Pallando –1
Eonwe –1
Alatar—1
Varda—3


Tuna
Miriel –4
Maglor –4
Amrod –4
Amras –4
Caranthir –1
Ingwe –1
Finarfin –1
Fingolfin—4
Finwe—4
Finarfin—4
Madhros—7

Brethil
Dorlas— -1
Niniel—1
Haleth – -1
Brandir – -1
Dorlas – -1
Hunthor— -1




Tol Eressea
Vaire –4
Lindo –4
Osse –4
Olwe –4
Uinen –1
Indis –1
Eriol—5
Frodo—4

Dor Lomin
Turin—2



Barrow-downs
Firefoot – 4
Formendacil - 4
Glirdan – 4
Nogrod - 4
Arcticstorm – 1
The Phantom – 6
Feanor of the Peredhil –1
Barrow-wight—6
Rune son of Bjarne –4
Sleepy Ranger—3

Gondor
Damrod – -1
Denethor – -1
Beregond – -1
Imrahil – -1

[arcticstorm]

Finally the team standings after day 3

The Grinding Ice
Arcticstorm—1
Pallando—1
Total:6


The Fifth Wall
Nogrod—4
Oin—4
Total:8

Nogg’s ball
Nogrod—4
Manwë –4
Feanor of the Peredhil—1
Maedhros (tuna)—7
Total: 16

Saucepan (Un)Athletic
Manwe—4
the phantom—6
total: 10

Second Best
Glirdan—4
Aule—4
The Phantom—6
Durin's Bane—1
Sleepy Ranger—3
Total: 18


Elmo
Aule—4
Manwe—4
Orome—1
Sleepy Ranger—3
Rune Son of Bjarn—4
Total:16

Thenamir Untied
Watcher in the Water—8
FW—Frodo—4

The Reds
Fingolfin –4
Feanor of the Peredhil – 1
Rune Son of Bjarne – 4
Total: 9

Glirdan
GLIRDAN –4
SLEEPY RANGER—3
Total:7

Phantasy
MAEDHROS—7
THE PHANTOM—6
EONWE—1
MAGLOR—4
Total: 18

The Ka
Ulwe –4
Sleepy Ranger –3
Finwe –4
Total: 11

The Grinding Ice: 29 points
Second Best: 29 points
The Reds: 26 points
Phantasy:24
Elmo's Team: 22 points
Nogg's Ball: 22 points
Thenamir Untied: 19 points
The Fifth wall: 18 points
Saucepan (Un)Athletic: 18 Points
Ka’s Team: 14 points
Glirdan’s team: 12 points

[the phantom]

Question- why did Maedhros only earn me three points?

Didn't he have an assist (3), another assist (3), and hold the other team scoreless as a midfielder (1), and thus gain me 7 points?

[The Saucepan Man]

Take Frodo's Ring trek. Sauron had no idea what the other team was trying to accomplish, and did not know where the ball (Ring) was. That does not happen on the soccer field.No, but it is perfectly possible for a team to suffer at the hands of its own over-confidence, for example when faced with a team which it (wrongly) assumes to be inferior because its players are smaller, or because it believes its defence to be so impregnable that it commits forward too early and/or in greater numbers than is sensible.

There is a clearly defined method of victory (putting the ball in the net) and the ball can only be put there in certain ways legally. Of course, applying your literal approach to the skills, abilities and characteristics of the players involved would mean that no team would have any prospect of scoring against a team with a Dragon in goal. One should take a more imaginative, flexible and laterally-considered approach to the competiton, in my view.

[Thenamir]

Of course, applying your literal approach to the skills, abilities and characteristics of the players involved would mean that no team would have any prospect of scoring against a team with a Dragon in goal.I dunno, Saucy. Look how well Watcher In The Water played for Moria yesterday!

[arcticstorm]

Question- why did Maedhros only earn me three points?

Didn't he have an assist (3), another assist (3), and hold the other team scoreless as a midfielder (1), and thus gain me 7 points?

You are right, Phantom, sorry about that. It is fixed on all posts.

[The Saucepan Man]

Look how well Watcher In The Water played for Moria yesterday!Well, the Watcher, clearly, is a naturally talented goalkeeper. But that doesn't mean that he's unbeatable.

In any event, applying a literal approach would require Moria only to play on pitches that had a large lake behind their goal ... ;)

[Nogrod]

You are right, Phantom, sorry about that. It is fixed on all posts.Maybe you could then fix the same with Nogg's Ball as my Maedhros has only brought me the three points instead of seven? :)

[arcticstorm]

OK hopefully everything is fixed now, if anyone sees any more mistakes I inadvertantly make,let me know either on here or through a pm.

anyway, today's matches were rather low on the points scale and at least one keeper was left at 0 points because of the lack of shots to save. here are today's points, and hopefully they are correct this time.:p



Niggle's Parish
Inspector—3
Atkins –5
Niggle—-1
Mrs. Parish— -2
1stVoice— -2
2nd Voice— -2
Porter— -2

Nargothrond
Mormegil—14
Felagund—10
Gundor—3

Fangorn
Skinbark –6
Treebeard—3

Old Grey Hill
Guest –4

Gondolin
Ecthelion—2
Turgon –5
Hurin—5
Glorfindel—3

Wooton Major
Fairy Queen—5
Ned—3
Smith— -1
Chief Cook— -1
Art— -1
Harper— -1
Nell— -1

Doriath
Mablung—6
Beren—4
Luthien—4
Thingol—4
Dior—1
Beleg—1
Melian—4

Arnor
Halbard— -1
Elendil— -1
Argeleb— -1
Isildur— -1

[arcticstorm]

Not many points were scored today with a close race between those losing points and those gaining, despite this however, MOrmegil gave a few of your teams a large boost. These are the points scored today:

The Fifth Wall
GK – Niggle -1
DF - First Voice -2
Total: -3

Nogg’s ball
Beleg—1
Total: 1

Saucepan (Un)athletic
Beleg –1
Mormegil—14
Total:15

Thenamir Untied
Beren --4
Luthien—4
Total:8

The Reds
Thingol—4

Phantasy
MORMEGIL—14
HURIN —5
Total:19


and so the standings after 1 full round of play:
Phantasy:43
Saucepan (Un)Athletic: 33 Points
The Reds: 30 points
The Grinding Ice: 29 points
Second Best: 29 points
Thenamir Untied: 27 points
Nogg's Ball: 23 points
Elmo's Team: 22 points
The Fifth wall: 15 points
Ka’s Team: 14 points
Glirdan’s team: 12 points

[the phantom]

Now is the time for trades, correct? How do we go about it? Sleepy has announced the next four matches- who are the other teams playing in the next batch of games? Or are we not allowed to know? When will the next set of games kick off? I'm worried that it will begin before I've had a chance to pull some of my players.

(And yay for me! I can now say that I led the standings for at least one round of matches :) but things can go south quickly in a fantasy league. :eek: )

[Sleepy Ranger]

Of course, trades have been open since when the competiton began. As for the next set of fixtures, I really have no idea since I generally decide it while putting it up. Regardless, all teams will have played 3 games each by the end of the group stages. So therefore no trade could really be all that disastrous at the moment.

To trade a player, simply mention who you are trading and edit your original post.

[The Saucepan Man]

Thank goodness for Mormegil, since I have got precious few points from my other attackers. Only problem is, Team Phantasy has him too ...

And now the worst thing about fantasy football competitions. My indecision, combined with my fear that I will transfer a player out only to have them go on and score a hatful of goals or go on an unbeaten run of clean sheets, makes the trade system a nightmare for me.

Anyway, I am happy with my defence (although I need Gondolin to perform better at the back) and, after some deliberation, have decided to leave things be for now in the hope that Pippin, the Saucepan Man and my midfielders will shape up in the next round of Group matches.

[the phantom]

Thank goodness for Mormegil, since I have got precious few points from my other attackers. Only problem is, Team Phantasy has him too ...
Ha ha! Yes, when I saw what Mormegil had done, I scrolled through the other teams to see who had him. And wouldn't you know Saucepan (Un)Athletic had him down. Drat!
And now the worst thing about fantasy football competitions. My indecision, combined with my fear that I will transfer a player out only to have them go on and score a hatful of goals or go on an unbeaten run of clean sheets, makes the trade system a nightmare for me.
Yes, that's what I am facing right now! I'm petrified of taking out a perfectly good player.

But oh well- it's just a game, right?

For now, I'm going to substitute ANCALAGON (Angband) in for MAGLOR (Tuna).

I can't make any other subs at this time as I do not know the matchups.

(now watch Maglor shut the other team out while Angband gets trampled :rolleyes: )

[the phantom]

I have also, after much debate, decided to replace FEANOR (Tuna) with SPM (Barrow-Downs).

If you play poorly and Feanor scores goals, I'm going to be very upset with you!

[Elmo]

Oh well, I'm doing mediocre as expected, can I call my team Bayer Neverlusen by the way?

[Thenamir]

A minor suggestion:

In a listing of the points for each player it is difficult to determine from the appearance whether the player received a positive or negative total, such as this one a short while ago:Beren --4Fortunately for me, Beren's total was positive. However, I propose that, according to certain accounting notations, negative numbers be placed in parentheses, thus, had Beren's total been a negative, it would have looked like this:Beren - (-4) It would make reading the listings a touch easier. Thanks!

[the phantom]

Bonus points for the best players in a match 2
I've been meaning to ask, what is this "best players" bonus?

And speaking of best players, excellent play, Sauce!

You wowed the crowd, and got me a few fantasy points to boot. Thirteen points if I figured correctly! :smokin:

So, let's see... so far in round 2...

Eonwe- hasn't played
Ancalagon- 0
Thuringwethil- 8
Maedhros- 8
the phantom- 5
The Saucepan Man- 13
Curufin- 4
Mormegil- 8
Ulmo- 4
Maeglin- 4
Hurin- 11

best players bonus- 6

Round 2 Points: 71

Total Points: 114

[Sleepy Ranger]

The best player is the man of the match. For whatever reason we haven't bothered revealing them to public so far. However you could figure it out yourself by just seeing who got an extra 2 points... :rolleyes:

So yeah, I have no clue why we don't bother revealing it.

[the phantom]

Oh, so there is one chosen in every game...

So, I suppose that means my totals are off, seeing as SPM, Mormegil, Hurin, Thuringwethil, and Maedhros would all possibly be in the mix for "man of the match" in the last round of games.

[Sleepy Ranger]

Feel free to add six points to your total on account of bonus points. Btw, the match report for the Gondolin - Mirkwood match is up. :)

[The Saucepan Man]

Of course, trades have been open since when the competiton began.It occurs to me that, during the Group rounds, trades should only be permitted at the end of each round of matches. Otherwise a team could score points from one player, transfer him or her out, and go on to score points from another player in the same position in the same round.

Or is that the idea ...? :confused:

[Nogrod]

I guess the idea was that during the round-robins one could change any player up to 10 trades whenever one wished.

But after that stricter rules would apply.

So one wouldn't be wise in changing half of her/his squad after every game as s/he might then face a situation where the ten changes are used up and half of the teams one's players are collected from have dropped from the competition...

[Nogrod]

To think it again... ten changes surely is a lot and would allow that kind of "un-sportsmanlike" behaviour.

Happily no one has gone in to that this far...

[The Saucepan Man]

... s/he might then face a situation where the ten changes are used up and half of the teams one's players are collected from have dropped from the competition ...Which raises an important question. Are the ten trades valid until the start of the first matches of the knock-out rounds? In other words, do we still have the ten trades (or whatver is left of them) to transfer players in and out after we know who has qualified and who hasn't, or are we then restricted to the two each round?

[Nogrod]

do we still have the ten trades (or whatver is left of them) to transfer players in and out after we know who has qualified and who hasn't, or are we then restricted to the two each round?
How I see it: you have ten changes during the Group rounds. You may change ten players during that phase and if you don't, all these "unused" changes will be lost.

At the knock-out phase there will be different rules.

[The Saucepan Man]

How I see it: you have ten changes during the Group rounds. You may change ten players during that phase and if you don't, all these "unused" changes will be lost.I suspect that you are right.

I foresee a flurry of transfer activity shortly ...:D

[Nogrod]

after we know who has qualified and who hasn'tBut this is important... Surely we shouldn't be required to make our final changes before the last matches of the round-robins! That would mean that with all the teams who have already played two matches the trading window would be closing in a day or two - and we wouldn't even know which as the fixtures have not be given to us in advance!

So changes (those that go within the ten for the Group-stage) must be allowed after the last result of the round-robins are played... At least they should be... :)

Surely they should be made before the knock-out phase begins...

[The Saucepan Man]

But this is important... Surely we shouldn't be required to make our final changes before the last matches of the round-robins! Why not? Once each team has played two matches, it should be possible to predict with relative certainty who will progress and who will not (some teams will already have qualified). And, while (for some teams) there is no absolute certainty, it adds an additional element of skill. ;)

[Nogrod]

A good question... and a reasonable answer.

But I would surely like to know the official answer before any of the teams plays their third match... :rolleyes:

[Nogrod]

5. During the knock-out rounds each manager will receive two trades for each round.
Having only two trades per every knock-out round would kind of call for us knowing the structure of the knock-out rounds as well - and if the deadline is before the third match then we should know them pretty soon as during this round-robin -phase we can afford to make any changes necessary...:)

So is it:
A1-H2
H1-A2
B1-G2
G1-B2
C1-F2
F1-C2
D1-E2
E1-D2

Or something completely different?

The knowledge of that might influence heavily on the choises we make at this point...

[the phantom]

It occurs to me that, during the Group rounds, trades should only be permitted at the end of each round of matches. Otherwise a team could score points from one player, transfer him or her out, and go on to score points from another player in the same position in the same round.
No, that would be cheating. The rules say-
4. Each manager will receive a total of ten trades to be used during the round robin rounds.
These trades will officially take place after each individual round.
In other words, you can't make a trade now. Your trade had to be announced before Sleepy posted the results of the first games in the second round.

[Sleepy Ranger]

There's been a bit of a misinterpration methinks. To clear everything up and answer all your questions:

1) You may trade whenever you wish to, however if your trade takes place while I am posting the match reports it will not be held valid and you will recieve points for the player you had prior.

2) Once the final matches are played you will not be allowed to make any more trades. For convenience sake all the matches of the final round will be listed at once. As per the actual World Cup the final matches for a group would be played together.

3) You're more than welcome to keep switching players but you'll be shocked to find how fast 10 trades wear out. The system is based of an actual World Cup fantasy game and uh... I thought I'd be able to switch players in and out at fancy but yeah, 10 trades wear out way too fast.

4) If there are any unused trades at the end of the group stages they do not carry over to the knock out stages.

5) Yes Nogrod, your assumption is correct. That is how the seedings for the knockout stages will be done.

Good luck!

[Thenamir]

After pfutzing around in the middle of the pack, I am looking to make several trades. I have not been following as closely as I ought, perhaps, but I wanted to be sure that making a set of trades now would not be out of order. Thanks!

[the phantom]

Okay, let's make sure I have this straight. We must set our eleven in stone before the first match of round 3, because all the matches will be at once (ie there can be no trading between games, thus no one can receive points from more than 11 players during the round).

And after round 3 is finished and the knock-out bracket is announced, we will be allowed two trades before the eight first round games.

[Sleepy Ranger]

Okay, let's make sure I have this straight. We must set our eleven in stone before the first match of round 3, because all the matches will be at once (ie there can be no trading between games, thus no one can receive points from more than 11 players during the round).

And after round 3 is finished and the knock-out bracket is announced, we will be allowed two trades before the eight first round games.

There are three rounds to go technically. One set tomorrow, another day after and the final on the day after that. So yeah, your team must be complete by the third day.

[Thenamir]

Well, I'm making a pretty much wholesale change of the midfielders and forwards. Though my team is still in the middle of the pack, I've been disappointed with the overall performance of everyone except the Watcher In The Water. So I'm making six changes, saving a few just in case someone really falls apart.

Players OUT
MF--Gandalf (Lothlorien)
MF--Sam (Shire)
MF--Legolas (Mirkwood)
MF--Quickbeam (Fangorn)

FW--Frodo (Tol Eressea)
FW--Tulkas (Valinor)

Players IN
MF--Maedhros (Tuna)
MF--The Phantom (Barrow-Downs)
MF--Dwalin (Misty Mountains)
MF--Miller (Ham)

FW--Mormegil (Nargothrond)
FW--Saucepan Man (Barrow-Downs)

Let me know ASAP if I've done something in violation of the rules.

[Sleepy Ranger]

All your trades are legal. :)

[Thenamir]

aw-RIGHT! Now, when do we get the next updated leader-board? we've not seen who's ahead since last Friday.

[Nogrod]

Players IN
MF--Maedhros (Tuna)
MF--The Phantom (Barrow-Downs)
MF--Dwalin (Misty Mountains)
MF--Miller (Ham)

FW--Mormegil (Nargothrond)
FW--Saucepan Man (Barrow-Downs)Now please Thenamir... let's give some space to the variety of things! :rolleyes:

Okay, let's make sure I have this straight. We must set our eleven in stone before the first match of round 3, because all the matches will be at once
There are three rounds to go technically. One set tomorrow, another day after and the final on the day after that. So yeah, your team must be complete by the third day.Sorry to come back to this discussion... but at least I'm a bit lost with this one.

So do we have a chance to use some of our initial ten changes during the last round of the first-round matches (not to score more points on any particular game but to be able to see which teams do well and which will be their opponents in the knock-out round) or even make changes on that allowance just before the knock-out stages begin? Or is it that no changes with a player in a team that has played it's third match are not allowed?

That would be nice to know... Thinking of my team for the knock-out rounds depends heavily on the performance of the teams here (and who they will meet in the knock-outs) and I wouldn't want to use all my changes now if I'm allowed to change things after the round-robins are over...

[The Saucepan Man]

OK, it's time to axe the dead (Mirk)wood and bring in some fresh blood(letters).

Saucepan (Un)Athletic hereby submits a request to make the following trades:

OUT
DF - Manwe (Valinor)
MF - Legolas (Mirkwood)
FW - Pippin Took (The Shire)

IN
DF - Maglor (Tuna)
MF - Thuringwethil (Angband)
FW - Sauron (Mordor)

Suddenly, Saucepan (Un)Athletic seems a darker team altogether ...

Now watch Pippin score a hat trick in the Shire's final match of the round. :rolleyes:

I will edit my original team list earlier in this thread.

[Nogrod]

The Tumunzahar board tries to keep up a sporting spirit and will decline any temptation to sign in Dwalin, Miller, Mormegil, Thuringwethel and others... It's hard but hopefully it pays back with at least the moral victory... :rolleyes:

But as there is some insecurity about the deadlines of the trade-offs Nogg's Ball will do the following changes immediately.

Traded off:
DEF. Manwë (Valinor)
MF. Beleg (Doriath)

Signed in:
DEF. Firefoot (Barrow Downs)
MF. Húrin (Gondolin)

The current line-up will then be:

GK
Smaug (Erebor)

DEFENCE
Nogrod (Barrow-Downs)
Maeglin (Gondolin)
Ancalagon the Black (Angband)
Firefoot (Barrow-Downs) - traded for Manwë


MIDDLEFIELD
Feanor of the Peredhil (Barrow-Downs)
Húrin (Gondolin) - traded for Beleg
Maedhros (Tuna)


FORWARDS
Finwë (Tuna) - traded for Tulkas
Gothmog (Angband)
Witch-King (Mordor)

The board of Tumunzahar still wishes for Smaug to show his qualities and keeps on trusting the value of Ancalagon, Nogrod, Maedhros, Gothmog and the Witch-King... other players are under a constant surveillance on the coming rounds.

Total changes with Nogg's Ball this far = 3

The changed team will be copied in the post #12 where the original line up is.

[Thenamir]

I have also made my changes in my original team post, to make scorekeeping a bit easier.

[Nogrod]

The latest standings would be nice as well...

I mean yes we can count them ourselves but it would be much easier if someone with the actual tables in his hands would do that and make it public.

And anyhow we need an impartial (!) side to make the sum-ups... Not that we should change anything here... but just to get our arbitrators to perform their promised duties :cool:

:)

[The Saucepan Man]

Saucepan (Un)Athletic hereby submits the following additional trade:

OUT
Elros (Numenor)

IN
Chief Warg (Misty Mountains)

I will update my original team list.

[arcticstorm]

Sorry, it has been a really busy week
here are the player points for the past round.

Moria
Durin's Bane—5
Oin —(-1)
Ori —(-1)
Nar —(-1)
Celebrimbor —(-1)
Watcher in the water—(-1)

Angband
Melkor—8
Thuringwethel—10

Tuna
Finwe—4
Maedhros—10
Amrod—(-1)

Shire
Pippin—4
Lobelia Sackville-Baggins – (-1)
The Old Took – (-1)
Tom Cotton - (-1)
Rosie Cotton – (-1)
Ted Sandyman - (-1)

Mordor
Dark Lord–10
Witch-King –7
Shagrat—10
Shelob – 4
Mouth of Sauron –4
Ufthak – 4
Lagduf – 4
Gothmog – 7
Nazgul – 1
Snaga - 4
Gorbag - 1




Inklings
Christopher Tolkien—5
JRR Tolkien—(-2)
John Wain—(-2)

Barrow-downs
Sleepy Ranger—11
Saucepan Man—13
Phantom—8
Barrow-wight—5
Glirdan—3
Formendacil—(-1)
Arcticstorm—2


Nargothrond
Mormegil—8
Beor - 4
Gelmir - 4
Curufin – 4
Orodreth - 4
Celegorm - 4
Gundor - 4
Finduilas - 1
Arminas - 3
Mim – 4

Buckland
Saradoc - (-1)
Gormidoc Deepdelver – (-1)
Hob Hayward - (-1)
Fatty - (-1)
Gorhendad Oldbuck – (-1)


Misty Mountains
Chief Warg - 4
Gollum - 4
Great Goblin - 4
Nori - 4
Dwalin—7
Bolg—10


Gondolin
Turgon—4
Glorfindel—3
Ulmo —4
Idril —4
Voronwe —4
Maeglin —4
Aradhel—4
Huor – 1
Tuor - 1
Ecthelion - 1
Hurin—13

Mirkwood
Legolas—(-1)
Wine Steward - (-1)
Guard - (-1)
Thrain - (-1)
Spider - (-1)

Doriath
Mablung –8
Dior—3
Elwe – (-1)
Melien – (-1)
Beren- 2
Luthien - (-1)

Ham
Farmer Giles—6
Tailbiter –7
Miller—2


Group A
Erebor
Bard –4
Dain – 4
Brand – 4
Gloin -4
Bombur —4
Roac – 1
Thorin – 1
Fili - 4
Kili—1
Smaug—4

Valinor
Manwe—(-1)
Aule—2


Lothlorien
Gandalf—11
Amroth—4
Celeborn – 4
Nimrodel – 4
Rumil - 4
Orophin—4
Arwen – 1
Haldir—1
Galadriel—5
Gimli—4

Brethil
Niniel – (-1)
Haleth - (-1)
Brandir - (-1)
Dorlas - (-1)
Hunthor - (-1)

Dor-Lomin
Turin—3
Morwen - 4
Nienor - 6
Hador - 4
Gundor—4
Brodda—4
Rian - 1
Aeron - 1
Sador—1


Arnor
Aragorn—14
Arvelag – 4
Argeleb – 4
Halbarad - 4
Trotter—4
Isildur - 3
Earandur - 1
Arvedui - 4
Malvegil—1
Arathorn—3

Rivendell
Bilbo—(-2)
Elladan – (-1)
Glorfindel – (-1)
Erestor – (-1)

Numenore
Tar-Miriel –8
Elros - 4
Aldarion - 4
Erendis – 7
Tar-Minastir—4
Tar Palantir—4
Ar-Pharazon - 1
Tar-Miriel - 1
Tar-Atanamir the Great – 1
Amandil—1



Fangorn
Wormtongue—4
Grishnakh—4
Fimbrethil—4
Lugdush—4
Beechbone—1
Quickbeam—1
Leaflock –1
Saruman—1
Ugluk—1
Treebeard—(-2)

Tol In Gaurhoth
Black Beorning—4
Cobbler—1
Cursed Villager—4
Ordinary Villager—11
Seer—1
Hunter—1
Mythomaniac—1
Werewolf—1



Bree
Goldberry
Badger—4
River Woman—4
Bill Ferney—4
Butterbur—1
Nob—3
Bob—1
Harry—1
Barrow-wight—1
Old man Willow—4

Wooten Major
Nell—4
Harper—4
Art—4
Chief cook—4
Tim—1
Tom—1
Ned—1
Nan—1
Smith--6


Gondor
Damrod – 4
Denethor – 4
Beregond –4
Imrahil—4
Forlong the Fat –1
Hirgon –1
Thengel—1
Ecthelion—4
Faramir—6

I will get the manager standings up soon.

[arcticstorm]

Now that everything is officially switched over from dial up and the internet is not acting up for me here are the standings after round 2

The Grinding Ice
DF--Chief Warg(MM)—4
MF--Arcticstorm(BD)—2
FW--Saucepan Man (BD)—13
Total:19

The fifth Wall
DF - Oin (Moria)—(-1)
DF - Gollum (Misty Mountains)—4
MF - Seer (Tol-In-Gaurhoth)—1
MF - Mîm (Nargothrond)—4
MF - Thuringwethil (Angband)—10
Total:18

Nogg’s Ball
Smaug (Erebor)—4
Maeglin (Gondolin)—4
Manwë—(-1)
Maedhros (Tuna)—10
Witch-King (Mordor)—7
Total:24

Saucepan unathletic
Ulmo—4
Manwe—(-1)
Goldberry –4
Maeglin—4
Elros—4
Legolas—(-1)
the phantom –8
Mormegil –8
The Saucepan Man –13
Pippin Took—4
Total:47

Second best
Ulmo—4
Glirdan –3
Aule—2
Celeborn—4
The Phantom –8
Durin's Bane –5
Sleepy Ranger—11
Sauron—10
Melkor—8
Total:55

Bayer Neverlusen
Ulmo—4
Idril—4
Voronwe—4
Aule —2
Manwe –(-1)
Thuringwethil –10
Sleepy Ranger (Barrowdowns)—11
Saucepan Man (Barrowdowns)—13
Total: 47

Thenamir untied
Watcher in the Water—(-1)
DF--Beren (Doriath)—2
DF--Glorfindel (Rivendell)—(-1)
DF—Luthien—(-1)
Maedhros –10
The Phantom –8
Dwalin –7
Miller—2
Mormegil—8
Saucepan Man –13
Total:47

Reds
Glorfindel – (-1)
Thingol – (-1)
Tuor - 1
Gandalf - 11
Witch-King -7
Total:16

Glirdan
GLIRDAN –3
GLORFINDEL –(-1)
CELEBORN –4
TURGON—4
SLEEPY RANGER—11
THE SAUCEPAN-MAN—13
TREEBEARD—(-2)
Tital:33

Phantasy
THE SAUCEPAN MAN--13
MORMEGIL—8
MAEDHROS—10
HURIN –13
THE PHANTOM –8
THURINGWETHIL—10
CURUFIN –4
MAEGLIN—4
ULMO—4
Total:74

Ka
Ulmo—4
Glorfindel –(-1)
Fimbrethil—4
Hunter –1
Gandalf –11
Sleepy Ranger—11
Finwe –4
Melkor –8
Total:43


Phantasy:117
Second Best: 84 points
Saucepan (Un)Athletic: 80 Points
Thenamir Untied: 74 points
Bayer Neverlusen: 69 points
Ka’s Team: 57 points
The Grinding Ice: 48 points
Nogg's Ball: 47 points
The Reds: 46 points
Glirdan’s team: 45 points
The Fifth wall: 33 points

[Thenamir]

Awesome. Thenamir Untied is moving up in the standings, but Phantasy will be a hard one to catch. Thanks for the update!

[Elmo]

I'm doing better then I expected and I forgot to trade.

[Nogrod]

The board of the Nogg's Ball will retire to a summer holiday for about a week.

Therefore it will announce that Smaug from Erebor has had his chances to show his qualities - and has failed the trust the board has shown. So the following trade will be announced: Smaug (Erebor) will be replaced in Nog's Ball's goal by Beor from Nargothtrond.

The board has no reason to make any other immediate changes and will go with the present squad for the week to come.

PS. The change has been made in to the initial post of Nog's Ball's line up as well.

[Thenamir]

<Thenamir peers into the dusty thread, wondering where the results went...>

[Nogrod]

<Thenamir peers into the dusty thread, wondering where the results went...>Nogrod is as much confused about the situation as he thought the tournament would be about over before he would come back... and behold the silence!

We demand progress! And enlightenment! :rolleyes:

[THE Ka]

We demand progress! And enlightenment! :rolleyes:


Progress is good enough. :p
I don't know, maybe just more patience will yield some results. Maybe not. I'm curious too.

~ Patiently Ka

[the phantom]

Where are we in the tourney? Is group play over? Is the playoff bracket set?

[Thenamir]

Breaking News! MEWC Players On Strike! League Officials Instigate Lockout!

[Elmo]

The cause was the discovery that Mordor's captain, Sauron, had attempted to sway the referees in his games by offering them rings. This resulted in chaos when the referee when to his next game as a wraith and proceeded to try and slay Frodo of the Shire.

Teams have since refused to play with wraith-referees.

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

I have been away and therfore unable to follow this exiting turnament, but I got to know. . .who controlls Bayern Neverlusen?

I simply love that name!

[Elmo]

It's me..... and despite the name we're quite mediocre.

this tournament seems to be on quite a long hiatus. :(

[THE Ka]

It's me..... and despite the name we're quite mediocre.

this tournament seems to be on quite a long hiatus. :(

It will be for quiet a long time, I dunno when it will go up again. I asked Sleepy, and was told it just sort of fell through. So, I wouldn't have any hopes up, but it might kick back to life, who knows.

~ Ka