Weres of Eire: Game Thread

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Prologue:

The wind whistled, the land convulsed, the hearthfires turned interesting colors, and the waves crashed. Ireland was awakening.

Day. Night. Day. Night. Day. Night. Creatures of myth and legend, humans, everything came together in an instant.

The awakening of the land brought power. Power that some worshipped, some feared, and some attempted to harness for their own game. At the center of it all, there lay a camp. People resided there. People...

and not-people. There were those from the mists of Ireland's past that saw the awakening time as a chance to reclaim what they believed to be rightfully theirs, at any cost. There were humans as well, of course; by this time, there was nowhere without humans. They planned to keep what they had (lawfully or not) taken. The camp grew slowly, and infighting occured between people and not-people. The disputes grew so forceful, so disruptive, that the land itself.... intervened.

A clap of thunder, a slight tremble in the earth. This was the only warning before the Power was unleashed. A flash of lightning, another, louder peal of thunder, and suddenly there were eleven, where there had been ten.

The eleventh looked perfectly ordinary Black Irish; pale alabaster skin, jet black hair, small and slight of stature. Perfectly ordinary. Until one noticed that a cloud, lower than the rest, seemed to hover over the boy (he couldn't have been more than sixteen!) and the immediate surrounding area. Those ten that had been there began shouting and demanding answers, what was going on, what was happening, who was he? But under cover of behaving similarly, several of them knew exactly what was going on, what was happening, who he was.

Cataclysm.

The boy spoke with a voice of thunder, seeming to be unreal coming from such a young mouth. "Some of you do not belong here. For some of you, your time has passed into the mists. There is nothing here for you. However, I have not the power to force you out. Instead, we will see just how well you pass in this increasingly-nonmagical world. If you manage to reclaim your land... well."

The boy looked at each of the ten. Mist began to swirl around one of them, entering the body and glowing for a moment, before settling to normal astonishingly quickly. The boy smiled.

"The land itself has taken a hand, it seems. Well and good. Your task shall be thus; each day, talk amongst yourselves. Gain information. Decide who is to be trusted, and who is not. At the end of the day, I will return, and you will give me a name. That name will be.... removed. But beware! Night brings things best left unmentioned. I fear for you all."

Lightning flashed again, and Cataclysm was gone.

Day 1 starts now. It will end in 23 1/2 hours, at 7 PM CST, Sunday, September 2nd.

Voting: Votes are retractable once per day. The person with the most votes will be executed. In the case of a tie, a randomizer will be used. During Day 1 and Day 2 only, you may vote for No Execution.

Tell me anything I missed, and sorry if the prologue's not up to standard.

Shining:

1. Lommy
2. Nogrod
3. Menel
4. Isabellkya
5. Rikae
6. Brinniel
7. Kath
8. Durelin
9. Eomer/Cailin
10. Espiem

Forever Dimmed:

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Prologue posted. It's safe to post now.

[Durelin]

(No, we’re not starting with a Night phase.)

Well, I must say I find it rather disappointing that I am the first person to here several hours (yes, I am too lazy to do the math) after this Day has started.

Except for the fact that, at this time, I can make inflammatory accusations about whomever I please.

First off, I have never heard of this "Espiem" person. Very suspicious.

And this "Eomer/Cailin"...slash? Or? Or and/or?! How is either the Eomer supposed to know what the Cailin is doing or vice-versa?

And I do hope he/she/it/they do not get two votes, even if they have the mental capacity to vote twice? And perhaps we have to lynch him/her/it/them twice? If so, I say we start now.

And (And I will persist in beginning my sentences with conjunctions!) I hear only crickets when I should be hearing Nogrod talking about how he's not hearing anything except crickets and his own voice. How sad. I think toDay is going to drive him nuts, so perhaps we should put him out of his misery?

I need chocolate before I can come up with anything else to fill up this thread. Let me warn you though that a cocoa-buzz vote from me may not be a good idea, so please start posting to give me something else to fuel my thoughts.

[Isabellkya]

I have to admit, I am a little frightened. As when I arrive here, there is usually an abundance of posts to sift through.

I would think that they would only get one vote between them.

Apparently my reading comprehension is a bit off ToDay, because I read the prologue, but for the life of me can not retain the information.


There is some fuel for you Durelin; summarize and extrat the important parts!

[Durelin]

Isabellkya

-Summary-
Scared. Likes Posts. Vote for one vote for Eomer/Cailin. Is not comprehending the reading of the prologue. Thinks there is information she should be retaining from the prologue. Name is difficult to spell. Has given me fuel.

-Important Part(s)-
Has reminded me to read the prologue.

[Brinniel]

Well quite honestly, I am not at all surprised at this silence. There is only a small number of us, half of which are in a time zone far ahead of us others. I can only hope that it will no longer be so quiet a few hours from now.

Anyways, here I am finding myself in yet another mystery game. We do not know what our gifteds are, or even how many wolves are among us. Meanwhile, I'm just hoping this time we won't have any no-voters, which with our small number could hurt us dearly.

There's really not much else to say; only two have spoken and there is only little information I can gather from that. Again, I won't be around at deadline, so I will be voting early.

So, I guess that only leaves one big question: Is it Cailomer or Eolin? ;)

[Thinlómien]

I'm here, but I won't be around too much toDay - I'm afraid I'm quite busy with my hobbies and school. Secondly I must vote very early (though that is something I have to do every day). I'm quite confused of what's the deadline, since the time stamp of the first post suggests that the deadline would be 1am my time and the deadline given, 7pm cst, suggests it's 4am my time. In the former case I guess I will usually vote about 3 (or 2) hours before the deadline and in the latter case about 6 (or 5) hours before the deadline.

even how many wolves are among usI must say I've been speculating with that, and my guess is that we have either just two wolves or two wolves and a cobbler. I think three wolves would be a bit outrageous, because then almost 1/3 of the village population would be wolvish. But I have to say that the wording of the first post sounds more like there were three not two wolves... What say you, native English speakers? Anyway, I'd advise people to play as there were three wolves (which I think is the worst possible setting), since I'd hate to see us taking this easy and counting on that we have time to get rid of two baddies while the three wolvsies snicker in their hairy snouts and gloat about them being three, while assuring the village it makes most sense that there's just two of them.

Meanwhile, I'm just hoping this time we won't have any no-voters, which with our small number could hurt us dearly.Indeed. I don't think anyone who has village's best interests in mind should vote for no execution, since that makes it quite impossible to analyze that person. Also, it gives the wolves' votes more weight as there's one innocent vote less. And of course that would be very stupid of our village not to kill anybody during the day as almost a third of us might be wolvish and in my opinion we need to use every shot we have.

So, I guess that only leaves one big question: Is it Cailomer or Eolin?I think Cailomer sounds better, but I might be as boring as to call them CE or EC or EoCa or something like that... ;) Maybe we should ask them what they prefer?

Durelin - were you serious about EC getting two votes? I first thought it was some sort of a joke, but now I guess you were serious. Anyway, if you ask me, they only get one vote as they're only one player. Simple.

That's it for a while, I'll be back later.

[Nogrod]

I'd agree with Lommy here for I do think also that we probably have three wolves around. Remember what the eleventh said:
All I'll say for now is that innocents won't be completely defenseless.So if we have extra powers to defend us we most probably face more baddies as well. This may turn out a bloodbath I'm afraid.

And more baddies around means that we need to lynch people when we can. It was an interesting idea to give the people a chance to not execute anyone on first two Days but it seems that the option is not reasonable in this situation - granted that we do actually have three wolves. But be as it may I don't think we can afford trusting there being only two wolves and thence toying with the no-lynch -policy.

I'm also confused about the deadline. According to the first post on this thread it is 10PM GMT. Can we trust that? In that case I might be able to hang around near the deadline, but if it is three hours later (the time when Shasta posted the "prologue posted" -thing) I'll be sound asleep by the deadline (4AM here).

[Brinniel]

But I have to say that the wording of the first post sounds more like there were three not two wolves... What say you, native English speakers?
What wording are you referring to? I've never been terribly good at catching hints in narration, so it'd be more helpful if you pointed out a specific quote.

There's definitely two or three wolves among us and I agree that it's better to assume the larger number. Otherwise we will set ourselves up for disappointment and possibly allow an extra wolf to slip under the radar. But really, I think sticking to the assumption that there's more than less is simply common sense.

I'm also confused about the deadline. According to the first post on this thread it is 10PM GMT. Can we trust that?
CST is an hour ahead of my time zone, and my time zone is GMT -6. Therefore, the deadline is at midnight GMT. I think that makes it 3am your time...so I could quite understand if you were fast asleep by deadline (unless you like to stay up until 5am like me :rolleyes:).

Speaking of sleep, I'm rather exhausted and am needing to go to bed. Hopefully, there will be a lot more posts when I return.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Greetings fellow wanderers. There has been speculation as to our number and how many votes we brave warriors should receive in the matter of these executions. Let us now explicate.

How many of ye know the ways of the warriors of Finn? Few, we reckon. For it is so: this is the enumeration [and description] of Finn’s people: our strength is seven score and ten officers, each man of these - having thrice nine warriors, every one bound (as was the way with Cuchullin in the time when he was there) to certain conditions of - service, which were: that in satisfaction of their guarantee violated - they must not accept material compensation; in the matter of valuables or of meat must not deny any; no single individual of them to fly before nine warriors.

Not a man of them was taken till his hair had been interwoven into braids on him and he started at a run through Ireland’s woods; while they, seeking to wound him, followed in his wake, there having been between him and them but one forest bough by way of interval at first. Should he be overtaken, he was wounded and not received into the Fianna after. If his weapons had quivered in his hand, he was not taken. Should a branch in the wood have disturbed anything of his hair out of its braiding, neither was he taken. If he had cracked a dry stick under his foot [as he ran] he was not accepted. Unless that [at his full speed] he had both jumped a stick level with his brow, and stooped to pass under one even with his knee, he was not taken. Also, unless without slackening his pace he could with his nail extract a thorn from his foot, he was not taken into Fianship: but if he performed all this he was of Finn’s people.

And so you see, that we are worth many score votes. To make matters easier, we should simply agree that our choice be damned.

Today we are most concerned with Brinniel. She claims exhaustion at this early stage of proceedings; but we are warriors of Finn and know not the concept of exhaustion. We are suspicious of that which we know not.

We have spoken.

[The Saucepan Man]

Oh woe is me! A terrible misfortune has befallen our camp, so it has. I should have spoken up sooner, for I saw it in the cards. But I thought that they had mispoken, so I did. But, had I but looked further, the signs were unmistakable. The Tower speaks of ruin being visited upon us. Yet, there is hope, so there is. The High Priestess and Strength indicates that there are those among us who may aid us in our struggle and the Wheel of Fortune tells us that our fate is not yet sealed.

or even how many wolves are among us.Now, who said anything about wolves? My own reading is that the faeries have come among us to reclaim their land. Most likely faerie changelings or, saints preserve us, banshees, whose wail can drain the life from those who sleep, so it can.

But I have to say that the wording of the first post sounds more like there were three not two wolves...

What wording are you referring to?Indeed, Mistress Lommy. What reference did you catch there? All I heard was that "several" fiends were among us. Do you have some special knowledge in this matter?

That said, I agree that we should make no assumptions and act on the basis of the worst case scenario. Then again, surely that is so obvious, so it is, that there is little need for it to be spoken. Regardless of the number of evil spirits among us, our aim should be to preserve as many innocent Irelander lives as possible, should it not?

But be as it may I don't think we can afford trusting there being only two wolves and thence toying with the no-lynch -policy. I think it unlikely that there would ever be no lynch. It would have to be agreed upon by all, and it makes no sense at all for us to forego our one shot at the fiends who beset us. Yet individuals may still avail themselves of the opportunity to withhold their vote. There are a number of reasons why someone might wish to do this, depending upon the circumstances, and not necessarily because they are enemies. I do not rule it out, but will judge anyone who takes up this opportunity on the situation prevailing at the time they do so.

And now I shall revert once more to my cards in the hope that they will better aid me to search out the changelings among us.

[The Saucepan Man]

By the way, on the timing, I believe that the first post was edited in as a change to the original post, which went up before the game started. A better indication is the timing of Shasta's second post which, taken with what was said in the first post, indicates that the day will end at 2am BST (my time), which translates to 1am GMT and (I think) 7pm CST, to be sure.

Then again, I completely mucked up my timing calculation in the Admin thread, so what do I know?

[The Saucepan Man]

Scrub that. I checked, and CST is GMT - 5 hours.

So the Day will finish at 7pm CST, 12am GMT, 1am BST.

[The Saucepan Man]

I have completed my reading. Take heed, for the cards never lie (though they can be darned difficult to read at times).

Lommy - The Magician - Hmm, could indicate power and confidence, but could also indicate trickery and deception. One to watch.

Nogrod - Justice - Truth, integrity and fairness, But the negative connotations are bad advice and bias, bringing injustice. Probably innocent, but may be misguided at times.

Menel - The Hermit - Tends to suggest that he will be absent, at least for the first Day or so.

Isabellkya - The Hanged Man - Flexible and free-thinking, but possibly easily influenced. Most likely innocent.

Rikae - The Lovers - Indicates the beginning of a relationship, but there is some separation in the context of our current situation. No idea what that means.

Brinniel - The Heirophant - Wise counsel and spiritual consolation, but wisdom might also be exercised deviously to cause confusion. Possibly the cobbler.

Kath - The Emperor - Indicates power, which might be exercised either beneficially for the good of the camp or tyrannically, to its detriment. Again, one to watch.

Durelin - The Fool - Joy and spontaneity combined with naivety and irresponsibility. Most likely innocent, but will be on completely the wrong track for most of the game.

Eomer/Cailin - The World - Success and completion, tempered by impatience and delays. We would do well to trust our doughty warrior.

Esspiem - Temperance - Harmony and moderation, but could spill over into anger and lack of self-control. Indicates that I am quite clearly an innocent Irelander, but will get annoyed if unjustly accused.

Based on this, I believe that the evil spirits among us may be found in:

Lommy
Kath
and
Brinniel

[Kath]

Hey not so many posts to slog through as usual, now that's nice. I'm just popping in quickly at the moment as I'm about 5 minutes away from setting off for Guildford and I don't know how long it's going to take me to get access to the net up there. Hoepfully it won't take long and I will see you all soon. :)

[Thinlómien]

This is not going well at all: my main suspects (if they can really be called that as no one in this village seems very suspicious) are Eomer(and his other half) and Sauce. Sounds all too familiar... :rolleyes:

Cailomer seems to accuse Brinn a bit too swiftly. That's the concrete thing in them that makes me suspicious. As to other suspicious things... it's something in their air... oh, drat it, it must be that avvie... ...

Sauce then. He's a bit too agreeable for himself (:p) and his suspicions of Kath even though she hadn't posted a single post when he phrased his doubts seemed quite weird. Granted, it looks like banter and probably is that, but it certainly doesn't make me trust SPM...

What wording are you referring to?
Indeed, Mistress Lommy. What reference did you catch there? Sorry for being a bit vague, but it was more the overall phrasing than any certain word that made me think that way. But I guess I might be able to find some passages that suggest that...
Well the "several" SPM mentioned refers (in my opinion) more than two people, but of course we can't discount the gifteds of being included in that several.

"Some of you do not belong here. For some of you, your time has passed into the mists. There is nothing here for you. However, I have not the power to force you out. Instead, we will see just how well you pass in this increasingly-nonmagical world. If you manage to reclaim your land... well."This just sounds like the boy was speaking of more than two people. Maybe it's just me, but I see "some" rather referring to three or four (I'm not suggesting we have four wolves, though ;)) people than to two.
Well of course I might be wrong here and I don't know which other word than "some" one could use when speaking about two people in a context like this, but... *sigh* I guess you can interpret these things in any/ either way so it actually seems quite useless to speculate about it. Maybe the nightly narration will reveal something. But as I said, it's wiser to over-estimate than under-estimate their numbers, so let's think (or I will think that way, anyway) that there's three of them as long as we don't have any evidence that contradicts that presumption.

[Nogrod]

With a quick glance I must say that the only thing that even somehow raises eyebrows right now is the fact that both Cailomer and Spm seem to have veiled themselves behind roles of sorts. I don't know what to say of it though - and because they make quite amusing posts I would be very unhappy to see either of them lynched on Day1 just because of that.

I think also that we need to be aware not to direct all our attention and / or suspicion over exactly those people who look like ones we could easily turn to - even if it is the easiest way for any individual in the confusion and guessing on Day1. It has many times resulted in hasty bandwaggon-lynching of an innocent with the negative effect that the baddies can safely ride with the tide and get lost in the crowd.

I will be back and be more active in an hour or two.

Only Menel and Rikae yet to post (and well Kath's wasn't actually a post I'd say). I hope all the people get more involved as the "evening" draws near.

[The Saucepan Man]

Aha! Thank you, Mistress Lommy, for your most revealing contribution. You are clearly up to no good. So without further ado ...

++THINLOMIEN

The cards never fail me. Gotcha, my dear! :D

[Nogrod]

One should always read the admin thread before starting to play... :(

Both Cailmer and Spm had decided on having roles already before the game-roles were dealed so them being in a role-mode is no reason for me to raise my eyebrows anymore.

My bad.


Other things of interest: Menel will be back only on Monday, Rikae has been around four days ago the last time which raises the question whether she knows the game is on in the first place.

I wouldn't suggest lynching either of them because of that. At least yet.


Also, the ruling about two or more people reaching the same number of votes has been changed. So no longer will it be a randomized choice but a double-lynch (triple-, quadruple- etc.) is possible.

We should think about using that possibility at some point, for instance getting rid of possible silent timebombs. But I'd say not toDay.

[Brinniel]

The thing about in-character roles is that I always find it so easy for a baddie to hide within such a role. But obviously, we cannot make suspicions based on that alone.

Cailomer's post doesn't really have any content aside from in-character behaviour...so I can't formulate anything just yet. Personally, I would like to hear from the other half and see if I can catch any hints towards innocence or guilt from the she-side, but I don't know how long we'd have to wait for that...

I find it odd that SPM places Kath in the suspicious category before she even has the chance to speak. And his vote for Lommy...I cannot see a good reason behind it. Perhaps he could give us more explanation...

Also, the ruling about two or more people reaching the same number of votes has been changed. So no longer will it be a randomized choice but a double-lynch (triple-, quadruple- etc.) is possible.
I thought it's been changed the other way around and that it's now randomizer and no multiple lynchings due to our small number.. :confused:

First Days are always difficult...and I must vote in less than an hour. Please people, speak up now! Making these decisions are so much harder when everyone is so quiet.

[Thinlómien]

I should vote soon, too. Like I've said before, EC and SPM are the only ones to make me raise my eyebrows (SPM has increased that with that almost nonreasoned vote of his - which possibly was partly to see how I would react to it), but I wouldn't be too happy to vote either of them. I would not like to lynch EC on the first day without a good reason, since they play so rarely and it's a pleasure to play with them, nor would I like to vote SPM who's really nice to play with: he's a powerful ally or a challenging enemy. I would also agree with Noggie about Menel and Rikae. So I should either pursue my feeble suspicion of SPM or intentionally try to fish for other suspicious things/people... Argh.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Some things I thought I'd clear up:

First, Espiem is right about the deadline. 7 PM CST, 12 AM GMT, 1 AM BST, or, in about five hours.

Second, Brinniel is right about the lynching. A randomizer will be used in the case of a tie.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

We are displeased with Brinniel's comments regarding our so-called "she-side". We have no 'she-side' but are, rather, numerous warriors banding together – the two most prominent of whom are named Eomer and Cailín. The mere suggestion that that aspect known as Cailín would be either more useful to the village in a positive way, or indeed so careless as to reveal any hint of inner evil, is demeaning to all of us.

Our recital of melodious poetry, under even the most dire circumstances, could possibly be seen as more feminine by uninformed people. Yet, as all wise elders know:

Of all these again not a man was taken until he were a prime poet versed in the twelve books of poesy. No man was taken till in the ground a large hole had been made (such as to reach the fold of his belt) and he put into it with his shield and a fore*arm’s length of a hazel stick. Then must nine warriors, having nine spears, with a ten furrows’ width betwixt them and him, assail him and in concert let fly at him. If past that guard of his he were hurt then, he was not received into Fianship.

So this shows that no sense can be gained from treating our words as those of individuals; for we are warriors of Finn and have but one way and one mind.

We are still mightily concerned with the behaviour of Brinniel; but also with that of Thinlómien, who has failed to see Brinniel's strategy of fake exhaustion as a damning indictment on her character. Instead she makes us the villains. Highly suspicious to jump quickly on those who would dare cast suspicion.

Aye. We have spoken.

[Thinlómien]

EC, are you really serious about that exhaustion-thing?

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Dare you suggest that our words were meant in jest? Frivolity is known not to the warriors of Finn. You must remember, Thinlómien, that accusations and counter-accusations must start somewhere; and silence can doom us all.

[Nogrod]

Thanks Shasta.


First, Espiem is right about the deadline. 7 PM CST, 12 AM GMT, 1 AM BST, or, in about five hours.

Second, Brinniel is right about the lynching. A randomizer will be used in the case of a tie.The second confusion arose when I checked the admin thread and saw that the first post had been edited as late as yesterday so I thought it had current information in it.


To the work then.

Menel will not be around until Day2 and of Rikae we know nothing right now. I'd hate to lynch them toDay. So no vote from me to them toDay.

Lynching Spm on Day1 is waste if there is no good case to be made which I can't as yet see around. The same I think goes for Lommy. Also if the warriors of Finn don't raise anymore eyebrows I'd like to see them in action also toMorrow.

That then would leave me with the following list:
Isabellkya
Brinniel
Kath
Durelin

I'll try to see what if anything I can find about them.

[Thinlómien]

I do remember that, but I must say I'm a bit baffled about why you still stick to that really quite nonsensical accusation. I can see why you made it back then, but why do you still seriously insist it is something I can't see. It makes me somewhat wary.

I would so much like to see Rikae or Kath coming online and posting something... (Preferably something suspicious so I wouldn't need to wonder who to vote.... :p ;))

EDIT: xed with Noggle

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Nogrod & Thinlómien, your willingness to appease us makes us suspicious of you. Why so keen not to vote for us?

[Thinlómien]

In a way I agree with Nogrod's list, but on the other hand I think it would be a bit unfair to vote them as they have done nothing suspicious, unlike SPM and EC.

Nogrod & Thinlómien, your willingness to appease us makes us suspicious of you. Why so keen not to vote for us?Because, as I said, I'd like to see you survive a bit longer, as it's such a rare pleasure to play with you (especially with the she-side).

Argh, I should vote very soon........

Oh, and I checked Rikae's livejournal and she has last written in there yesterday, so I informed her there that this game has started. Let's just hope she will check her LJ (or the BD) soon...

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

We don't trust Nogrod. We'll give more reasons tomorrow, as we must now be off to our tale-telling and feasting, but his suspicions don't make too much sense to us, and he seems to want to build unwholesome alliances for probably-devious purposes. He must die.

So say the warriors of Finn of the mighty deeds.

++NOGROD

[Thinlómien]

I've reread Sauce's posts and they don't seem so suspicious anymore. Though I will definitely keep an eye on him.

As this was mostly a choice between him and EC, they must, sadly, receive my vote, though their last post sounds quite interesting. Surely that is worth noticing.

++Eomer and Cailín

Because they've throwed weird accusations around (like the exhaustion-thing) and because they were kind of asking for it... ;)

Good night, fellow villagers!

[Rikae]

Well, I'm sorry for my late arrival - I only just realised the game was on now.

Reading through the posts, the most alarming - or just the strangest - thing I can see is Lommy's behavior. Accusing those who accuse in jest is a classic wolf blunder - one I would consider too obvious, though, for either an evil or good Lommy to fall into. She is too experienced for this; I oculd only imagine a cobbler-Lommy, or some other role that might deliberately draw suspicion upon itself, doing such a thing.

Clearly EC and SPaM were throwing out the usual groundless first accusations; in doing so - and in-character no less, surely they realised they drew attention to themselves. SPaM's post seems to involve something more than banter - perhaps an excessive friendliness, an attempt to establish himself as an indispensible "presence" in this game. Nogrod even mentions not wishing to vote for someone who is amusing - while I understand it, this could be deadly in such a small group.

One more thing I noted is that Durelin doesn't seem quite Durelin-ish. She appears ever so slightly more cautious and calculated than usual.

I agree that a day without a lynch simply plays into the hands of the baddies, but I'll hold off on voting for now in hopes things become clearer.

EDIT: X'd with Lommy, EC & Lommy again.

[Brinniel]

We are displeased with Brinniel's comments regarding our so-called "she-side". We have no 'she-side' but are, rather, numerous warriors banding together – the two most prominent of whom are named Eomer and Cailín. The mere suggestion that that aspect known as Cailín would be either more useful to the village in a positive way, or indeed so careless as to reveal any hint of inner evil, is demeaning to all of us.

I never said I had a preference to one side, I just would like to hear both personalities of one being, so to say.

Cailomer is acting very odd and jumpy toDay, but for now I'll give them the benefit of the doubt. I'd like to hear more from them tomorrow anyways.

SPM is the only one I can draw suspicion from based on reasons I stated earlier. It would be a shame to lose him so early if he is innocent, but then again, he can be quite the treacherous baddie. And since I am out of time, I must rush and make my vote.

++Saucepan Man

EDIT: X-ed with Lommy and Rikae (good to see you show up, btw)

[Nogrod]

In the order of appearance it goes then.

Durelin: Basic Day1 Dury-banter, makes joking suspicions and later answers to Isabell with a joke-analysis on Isabell (and not the prologue she was asked by Isabell if I got it right).

So?
She can be anything. I see nothing out of the ordinary here but she is very much able to use that as a cover as well.


Isabellkya: One post, second of the Day. Not much to go for there. Although the beginning made me wonder a bit. I mean why say "I have to admit, I am a little frightened"? Not the least because if it would be something like in-character -stuff there should be more of it to follow I'd think. I don't see why any goodie would say that but a baddie might do it to try to indicate she's not a baddie here...

So?
She just might be a baddie although the grounds are pretty weak. But the best I have this far.


Brinniel: Seems to be like she normally is as well, considerate and cool. Although one might say that she seems to prefer talking more about general issues than people around.

So?
Hard to say once again. She might be a baddie playing it safe for she sure could pull that presentation...


Kath: Told us she will be back. She seems to get through pretty easily on Day1's by just laying low and she's a devastating villain when she gets through say Day3 or 4. Yes I admit, I'm afraid of her everytime I play with her because first there is nothing to say on her and then she has already stabbed you... :p

So?
It feels wrong to vote for someone who has only said she will be back later but when it's Kath I might just be persuaded - it has even paid back sometimes.


Summa summarum.
Quite thin results. Which was to be expected when looking at the number and length of the posts toDay. Of the four I'd say Isabell seems the most suspicious now. But I'll be around for a while still so that I can see if better candidates / points arise.

[Nogrod]

your willingness to appease us makes us suspicious of you. Why so keen not to vote for us?I'm not keen to vote anyone right now even if I do know I need to do it. But what I'm afraid of is that we end up like so many times before lynching an outspoken innocent on Day1 just because it's so easy to vote for those who are talked about eg. those who have themselves said something that stirs discussion.

Also as a friend of games where people have lively discussions I am - and have always been - a friend of loudmouths / contributors / discussion openers / whatever name you wish to use. Thence I wish to see the silent dangers eliminated on Day1 if there is no case to be made against anyone more in the frontrow of discussions.

I'm ready and willing to vote for you Cailmer, or Spm, or Lommy or... as soon as I have a reason for it that is above pure chance. But as long as there are no good grounds for voting you I'd risk my chances with those who do not contribute that much and are thence always more or less shots in the dark. They will turn into real threats as Days go by.

Somehow I get the odd feeling that I have experienced this discussion taking place once or twice already... :rolleyes:

[Nogrod]

But what I'm afraid of is that we end up like so many times before lynching an outspoken innocent on Day1 just because it's so easy to vote for those who are talked about eg. those who have themselves said something that stirs discussion.Just to press my point look at the voting so far:

Spm -> Lommy
Cailmer -> Nogrod
Lommy -> Cailmer
Brinniel -> Spm

So those people who have actually tried to have the discussion going are now those walking towards the gallows. This is what I was trying to avoid. Sadly with little success this far.

[Nogrod]

I need to be voting soon and have tried to scan the thread through for anything I've missed or just not paid attention to.

Here's what I'd like to bring forwards.

I am a bit worried with Lommy's way of apologising her vote almost to excession. She seems to overdo it and that makes me wonder. Also her final reasons for voting them sound a bit odd when compared with her self-proclaimed pity if they were lynched: Because they've throwed weird accusations around (like the exhaustion-thing) and because they were kind of asking for it... ;)I'm not sure if this cries evil but it looks noteworthy anyhow.

Cailmer's vote for me makes them look a bit more innocentish to me. They had consistently suspected Brinn the whole Day and later brought up Lommy as a candidate as well but in the last minute they changed their mind and voted for me. I think a wolf would have settled with a nicely built up "case" and voted for Brinn - or Lommy with whom they had a small exchange - and not risk a possible "counterstrike" (with all this "we'll elaborate the reasons toMorrow"). Also their complaints on why some people don't want to vote them coupled with their shown eagerness to vote for those people looks more innocentish than lupine.

I'm not sure if I can see the added caution or calculation in Dury's posts like Rikae does. But as a non native speaker I might fail to see things. And Dury is crafty enough to look perfectly her normal self and still be a villain.

Pretty many people seem to be getting through this first Day quite easily. If Kath, Dury, Isabell, Rikae... don't make a lot more contributions later toDay they should be looked much more closely toMorrow.


Here we go then.

I find suspicious:
Isabell - The silent ones are always hard to catch but the slip about being frightened might be the one to make it this time.
Kath - I always find her suspicious and am afraid of her as she can pass every radar and still get on with it.

I have some concerns:
Lommy - Because of what I mentioned above.
Dury - She's one of those one just can't say anything. So we should be very careful with her.

I'm slightly worried about:
Spm - He doesn't ring any alarms right now.
Brinniel - She doesn't ring any alarms right now.
Rikae - She doesn't ring any alarms right now.
Menel - He hasn't have had even a chance to raise any alarms this far.

I'm believing innocentish:
Cailmer - Look above for stated reasons.

Now a cigarette to decide a vote...

[Nogrod]

++ Isabellkya

I have to admit, I am a little frightened.While all the rest of her post is in a kind of matter-of-fact -discussion mode this starting line bothers me. She's not in a role in her post so why this? I can't see an innocent person making that comment in a straightforward stylish discussion. But a wolf might wish to try and look innocentish by making this kind of a comment.

[Kath]

Ok, I'm here at last. I'm so glad I live with computing students, I really do not get these internet connections. Should be able to stay until the deadline now though for once! Just going to do a quick catch up.

Durelin - began surprisingly ... sane? I don't know how else to explain it. Perhaps it is the lack of a role as an outlet for her madness but her random accusations actually had some sense to them!

Izzie - frightened by the lack of posts. That seems odd to me, though that could only be because I like the lack of posts, but only those with something to hide need large amounts of words to shield them.

Brinniel - points out the obvious a bit, though helpfully, as I'd not realised we hadn't been told the number of wolves. Pokes a bit at Eolin and Sauce, though doesn't condemn them.

Lommy - good first post talking about the possible number of wolves and also about the no execution thing. It would be nice to make it through a Day without killing anyone but without a voting record we have less to go on tomorrow, and that only does us more harm than good. Suspicions on Sauce and Eolin. Possibly over-analysing the narrative, but it's a fair angle to look at. Ah! And one of the famous flip-flops occurs over SPM. Would love to know why the change of heart?

Nogrod - basically repeats everything Lommy just said. Then there's a comment I don't understand:
"I think also that we need to be aware not to direct all our attention and / or suspicion over exactly those people who look like ones we could easily turn to - even if it is the easiest way for any individual in the confusion and guessing on Day1."
Would you mind explaining Noggie? I didn't quite get what you meant.
Also, the possibility of a double lynch was mentioned (I know, it's not actually happening now but still) and that was a strange thing to me. Why would you want a double lynch in a village so small? Especially later on when quiet ones might just provide the numbers needed to keep the villagers in the lead. Unless a Seer pops up with the names of two wolves under their belt I can't see a double lynch ever helping us in this game, and the suggestion seems suspicious. Has Izzie as the most suspicious from his list. Is really over-explaining his choice of vote, but I guess some people think out loud.

Eolin (I chose that one, I quite liked it) - rambles with no actual answers as to the matter of how many votes they get. I suspect it's just the one, and only one lynch/kill will cause their death. I'm loving the story of the Finn, but am growing tired of the lack of helpfulness. I don't want them gone by any means, they're too entertaining, but I would like some sense from them. Pretty solid suspicion of Brinniel though.

Sauce - picks up on a few points and adds his thoughts. Pretty normal for him by the look of things. Has Lommy, me and Brinniel down as suspects, with reasoning being drawn from his 'cards'. I take it Sauce is one of the few with a role, and assume his reasoning is actually based on past games, in which case it may have some merit to it. Only problem is, he gave both the good and bad points of each card, thereby covering his back and not giving particularly definitive answers.

Rikae - thinks Lommy odd for seeing jest as serious. I suspect that may be down to Eolin and Lommy's sense of humour not meshing, but it's a fair point. Notes the same difference I did in Durelin.

Votes:
Lommy - 1 (Sauce)
Nogrod - 1 (Eolin)
Eolin - 1 (Lommy)
Sauce 1 (Brinniel)

Right, suspicions (I'm going with the assumption that there are three wolves because it's what I'm used to):
Sauce
Brinniel
Nogrod

I think we may well have a wolf on wolf vote in Brinniel's vote for Sauce. He made a throwaway comment about her at the beginning and then Brinniel slowly built up a case against him from the start. Voting for Sauce on Day 1 can almost be considered a safe vote as well, as he rarely gets lynched early on because the benefits of an innocent Sauce are often considered to outweigh the consequences of an evil one.

As for Nogrod, I think what I said above mostly covers that. He feels wrong to me.

I'll have a think about my vote. Right now I think it will go to Brinniel, but if no one else will go for that I'm pretty equal on voting Sauce or Nogrod.

[Kath]

Cross posted with Noggie so I'll update the voting:

Lommy - 1 (Sauce)
Nogrod - 1 (Eolin)
Eolin - 1 (Lommy)
Sauce 1 (Brinniel)
Izzie - 1 (Nogrod)

[Kath]

Am I really the only person around? Okay ... voting time. Voting Brinniel obviously isn't going to do any good so it's between Nogrod and Sauce.

++NOGROD

Because Sauce is too useful an innocent when alive. I know, I know, I'm arguing my own point back at myself. But I find it so hard to form an opinion about Noggie, and I'm quite sure that if I don't vote for him toDay I will spend most of tomorrow either regretting it or finding myself arguing in circles. Assuming I'm alive of course.

[The Saucepan Man]

Aargh! You are not listening to the cards, those innocent Irelanders among you!

My vote for Lommy was not thrown out for a reaction, though my earlier posts were, admittedly. They achieved that which I intended of them. I shall not give a reason for my vote just yet. Perhaps toMorrow, should I survive, but I suggest that people just read Lommy's posts, in context. Rikae and Nogrod look to have caught on to part of it. Although Nogrod, through his standard tendency to keep in the game those he wishes to play with, has unfortunately mis-voted. I hope that it does not bring his downfall, for I find him likely innocent.

And it looks to me, from more recent contributions, that the cards spoke true of Lommy's companions. Brinniel and Kath are the other two to watch, mark my words.

I am not sure now how much longer we have. One hour or two? But I am content to let my vote lie where it currently stands.

[The Saucepan Man]

OK, the votes currently stand as follows:

SpM - Lommy (Lommy 1)
Eolin - Nogrod (Lommy 1, Nogrod 1)
Lommy - Eolin (Lommy 1, Nogrod 1, Eolin 1)
Brinniel - SpM (Lommy 1, Nogrod 1, Eolin 1, SpM 1)
Nogrod - Isabellkya (Lommy 1, Nogrod 1, Eolin 1 SpM 1, Isabellkya 1)
Kath - Nogrod (Lommy 1, Nogrod 2, Eolin 1 SpM 1, Isabellkya 1)

Yet to vote: Durelin, Menel, Rikae, Isabellkya

Nogrod, I currently believe more likely innocent than not.

According to Shasta's last post, we less than 30 minutes to go. I am prepared to change my vote to either Kath or Brinniel, or to let it stand where it currently lies.

We should avoid a tied vote and the randomness of fate.

So who's out there?

[Rikae]

Sorry not to give an explanation now - real life intervenes.

++Saucepan Man

[The Saucepan Man]

I find it odd that SPM places Kath in the suspicious category before she even has the chance to speak.The cards never lie. :p

And his vote for Lommy...I cannot see a good reason behind it. Perhaps he could give us more explanation...I could, but I won't. Not for now.

I would not like to lynch EC on the first day without a good reason, since they play so rarely and it's a pleasure to play with them ...Yet you still voted for them without good reason. I would have thought that my "unreasoned" vote for you would give you a better reason to vote for me than them.

I've reread Sauce's posts and they don't seem so suspicious anymore.Oh really. Why is that then? Perhaps because you don't want to vote for one who has voted for you?

Reading through the posts, the most alarming - or just the strangest - thing I can see is Lommy's behavior. Accusing those who accuse in jest is a classic wolf blunder - one I would consider too obvious, though, for either an evil or good Lommy to fall into.Yes, that's part of it. But there is more.

SPaM's post seems to involve something more than banter - perhaps an excessive friendliness ...Funny, because Lommy accused me of being "aggreeable". Yet I find that I have been distictly unagreeable and distinctly unfriendly thus far.

Nogrod even mentions not wishing to vote for someone who is amusing - while I understand it, this could be deadly in such a small group.Quite so. His vote for Izzie was absurd and unhelpful. But that's a Day 1 Noggie for you.

SPM is the only one I can draw suspicion from based on reasons I stated earlier. It would be a shame to lose him so early if he is innocent, but then again, he can be quite the treacherous baddie. And since I am out of time, I must rush and make my vote.Bad, bad Brinn. But perchance this vote will not go well for you.

I am a bit worried with Lommy's way of apologising her vote almost to excession.Quite so. You should go woth your instincts, not with who you wish to see in the game in the Days to come.

Perhaps it is the lack of a role as an outlet for her madness but her random accusations actually had some sense to them!Surely you are not serious here. I doubt that even Durelin would agree with you on this one.

Lommy - good first post talking about the possible number of wolves and also about the no execution thing.Yes, a great first post, if you don't mind people who state the obvious just to look like they are saying something helpful ...:rolleyes:

Pretty normal for him by the look of things.My posts have been anything but normal for me thus far. And intentionally so.

Only problem is, he gave both the good and bad points of each card, thereby covering his back and not giving particularly definitive answers.Yes, that was rather the point. :rolleyes:

[The Saucepan Man]

Well done Rikae, now the choice is probably between two innocents. Gah! Listen to the cards, you people! :rolleyes:

[The Saucepan Man]

Well, I know that I am innocent. I reckon that Nogrod probably is, but I cannot be sure. So I have no choice.

-- THINLOMIEN

++NOGROD

[Shastanis Althreduin]

No more posting, voting, etcetera. You've executed Nogrod. Plot will be combined with the Night 1 plot. Wolves and other assorted baddies, it's your turn now.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Execution, Day 1

"For the thousandth time, I see no reason not to lynch the quiet early on, for they may become a danger later!" Nogrod yelled, staring down a recalcitrant group.

"Yes, but wouldn't it make more sense to execute someone capable of making mistakes with their loudness, like... you, for example?" Rikae inquired silkily, shooting covert glances at Durelin, standing behind Nogrod, holding a rock.

With a nod from Rikae, Durelin let the rock fly. No ordinary human would have heard the rock, much less diverted it, but...

Nogrod whirled, lightning fast, and struck the rock from the sky with a mighty blow. His face went pale as he realized he'd been tricked.

"Gotcha," Rikae proclaimed, with a gleam in her eye, as the rest of the camp started crowding Nogrod.

"No... I - You don't understand, you... this... NO!"

A flash of light, and Nogrod was human no more. Instead, on two feet, stood a vaguely canine humanoid with silver fur. An ancestor of the Irish Wolfhound, perhaps?

Nogrod turned on his paws and tried to run away, but a rock struck him in the back of the head and he turned, snarling. Isabellkya threw another rock with precise aim, landing right in the wolf's eye. Momentarily blinded, Nogrod never saw Espiem standing there with a kettle of boiling oil in his hand, and a maniacal look in his eye.

"FWOOSH."

Night 1

The night came, and everyone bedded down. One person, however, couldn't sleep. They got up and decided to do some stargazing. Finding a high point on this plain was no easy task, but some distance away, there was a pile of boulders. Surely there, the sky would seem brighter.

They climbed to the top and settled, gazing up at the stars, a dreamy smile on their face. Their concentration was soon shattered, though, by an unearthly wail that seemed to come from all around. The watcher sat up and looked around, but the wailer could not be seen. Shivering with a deathly sense of foreboding, the would-be stargazer ran back to the safety of the camp and huddled in their blankets, praying for morning.

Thinlomien was awoken by the stargazer's mad dash for safety. Deciding to leave them alone, she noticed that the fire was burning slowly down. With no firewood available close by, she'd have to go down to the copse to get more, or there'd be no fire in the morning. Sighing, she trudged down that way.

No one heard her scream.

The camp awoke the next morning with one person shivering in fear, and Thinlomien missing. Durelin and Brinniel followed her footsteps to the firewood copse.

Everyone heard them scream.

They rushed down to see a grisly sight. Thinlomien had taken the axe with her to cut some firewood, but it hadn't done her any good against what had... savaged her. In the end, she looked to be impaled on her own axe. There was no fanfare, no magical mist, no nothing... just the murdered body of Thinlomien.

The camp settled under a slight haze of mourning and dread, and began to talk amongst themselves about the night's events.

The Shining:
Rikae
Brinniel
Eolin
Durelin
Meneltarmacil
Espiem
Isabellkya
Kath

Forever Dimmed:

Nogrod: Boiled In Oil Day 1 - Werewolf
Thinlomien: Savaged And Axed Night 1 - Ordo

[Isabellkya]

I must apologize about yesterDay, I had been up quite past my bedtime and over slept. Then I was enraptured by a book and a game for a number of hours.

Here are my thoughts concerning yesterDay.

Those ten that had been there began shouting and demanding answers, what was going on, what was happening, who was he? But under cover of behaving similarly, several of them knew exactly what was going on, what was happening, who he was.

This definitely leads me to the belief that there are two – three “wolves”.

Some of you do not belong here. For some of you, your time has passed into the mists. There is nothing here for you. However, I have not the power to force you out. Instead, we will see just how well you pass in this increasingly-nonmagical world. If you manage to reclaim your land... well.

This leads me to the belief that those who are the “wolves” are the magical-folk that should be passing from our world into the mists; but have not.

The boy looked at each of the ten. Mist began to swirl around one of them, entering the body and glowing for a moment, before settling to normal astonishingly quickly. The boy smiled.

"The land itself has taken a hand, it seems. Well and good..”

This leads me to the belief that there is someone/something who has been possessed or taken over by the spirit of the land, I guess would be an accurate description of what I am thinking. The boy refers to it as ‘well and good’; so my thinking is that is this a reference to a gifted? Or to someone who is acting upon the wishes of the land, and is not taking sides in the feud?


These were my thoughts while sleeping out the night, and waiting for ToDay to dawn.

Good aim on eliminating Nogrod on Day 1. I shall go now and sift through his posts, to see if anything can be found.

[Durelin]

Well cool.

Okay, so I do have some explaining to do, I guess - I went to visit my grandmother yesterday and thought I would return home before the deadline because we usually don't stay all that long. However, we stayed later than usual, so...yeah. I regret not being able to vote.

Ah well, eh? Probably would have just messed things up anyway.:rolleyes:;)

Wow...I've forgotten what to do with these Days-above-the-number-one...what to do, what to say....

So, is anyone freaked out about this:

Wolves and other assorted baddies, it's your turn now.

...Egh. I do hope we have some uber goodies on our side...

Anyway... For now, I am willing to assume that Espiem and Kath are not wolves, at least. And Eomer, though not as strongly. Of course, we apparently have 'other assorted baddies' to worry about, too.

I wait on Rikae's explanation of her vote with interest...

Oh, and Shasta is quite right - no ordinary human would be able to escape my rock-filled fury. *eyes the village*

[Meneltarmacil]

One wolf down already, eh? Let me see what this says about everyone...

Kath is almost certainly innocent, given that she was pretty suspicious of Nogrod and her vote put him first in line for the gallows.

Eomer and Cailin are probably innocent too, given their vote for Nogrod was the first for him.

I think I have a good idea of what Saucepan was looking for (and found) with Lommy. He picks up on the thought that she has some idea of how many wolves there are. He then attempts to get her to tell what, precisely, led her to think that there were three wolves among us. When she can't come up with enough to suit Sauce, he votes for her.

As for how well-reasoned this plan was...
Well, Lommy, to my knowledge, is not very experienced at playing a wolf, so she may well have made a blunder early on. However, I find Sauces immediately jumping on her to be rather out of place for him. It's possible she genuinely did see something in the narration, and he took advantage of this to portray her as a wolf.

His vote at the end is for Nogrod but that doesn't particularly help his case as it was a vote to save his own skin. I wouldn't put it past a Saucepan Wolf to vote for another wolf; this has the advantage of making him appear innocent. He portrays Nogrod as an innocent there, but I doubt even he could provide a good reason for suddenly changing his mind about someone he has been defending for the whole Day.

I admit that this is fairly shaky, though, and would like to hear what others think.

[Meneltarmacil]

Oh, and I predict that everyone will find me suspicious for using shaky reasoning to get Sauce out of the way early on in order to save my supposedly-wolfish hide.

[Durelin]

Actually I think that it is a good point, Menel. For some reason I was thinking because the tie would still only mean one of them would die Espiem-Wolf wouldn't have bothered changing his vote. But duh...if one of them is going to die anyway, one of them might as well get some brownie points for helping kill the other.

Still, I won't be jumping to conclusions. I want to explore other avenues first (such as those so-far unexplored...).

I'm being vague, yes. It's late.

[The Saucepan Man]

Hehe. How delicious that Noggie has joined the ranks of the Fenris at last. :D

Did I mention that no one should listen to the cards? The cards are rubbish. :rolleyes:

I agree with the general view that Kath is most likely innocent. I highly doubt whether a Wolfish Kath would have voted for a Wolfish Noggie at that point. The same does not necesarily go for Eolin since, at the time they voted, a lynching of Noggie did not look particulatly likely (especially it being Day 1). However, I currently have no particular reason to distrust our Warrior of Finn.

I wait on Rikae's explanation of her vote with interest...Me too. On the one hand, it could have been an attempt to save a fellow Wolf. But on the other hand, without her vote for me, it is unlikely that I would have changed mine and so brought about Noggie's lynching. It was clear from my posts that I was around at the time and a Wolfish Rikae would surely have been aware that I would change my vote, if pressed. On balance, I think it speaks more in favour of her being innocent.

His vote at the end is for Nogrod but that doesn't particularly help his case as it was a vote to save his own skin. I wouldn't put it past a Saucepan Wolf to vote for another wolf; this has the advantage of making him appear innocent. Yes, it was a vote to save my skin as I knew I was innocent but could not be sure of Nogrod. Any innocent would have done the same thing in my position, surely. As a Wolf, I would probably have left the votes where they lay and trusted to fate, rather than taking responsibility for knocking Noggie out of the game. The 'brownie point' bonus is limited given that, as you and Durelin have both pointed out, my vote for Noggie in no way clears me. Evidentially, I would suggest that it speaks neither the one way nor the other.

I am currently still rather suspicious of Brinniel, based on her behaviour yesterDay. However, as I got it so wrong about Lommy and (so it seems) Kath, I need to reread and reassess. No time to do that now, so I'll be back later to do it.

[Brinniel]

Alrighty, a look at yesterDay's voting:

SpM: ++Lommy (Lommy 1)
Eolin: ++Nogrod (Lommy 1, Nogrod 1)
Lommy: ++Eolin (Lommy 1, Nogrod 1, Eolin 1)
Brinniel: ++SpM (Lommy 1, Nogrod 1, Eolin 1, SpM 1)
Nogrod: ++Isabellkya (Lommy 1, Nogrod 1, Eolin 1 SpM 1, Isabellkya 1)
Kath: ++Nogrod (Lommy 1, Nogrod 2, Eolin 1 SpM 1, Isabellkya 1)
Rikae: ++SpM (Lommy 1, Nogrod 2, Eolin 1, SpM 2, Isabellkya 1)
SpM: --Lommy (Nogrod 2, Eolin 1, SpM 2, Isabellkya 1)
SpM: ++Nogrod (Nogrod 3, Eolin 1, SpM 2, Isabellkya 1)

Did not vote: Durelin, Menel, Isabellkya

A few thoughts on everyone mainly based on yesterDay's events:

Menel: Wasn't here on Day 1 for understandable reasons. He has made some interesting statements toDay, but it's not enough for me to form any sort of opinion on him yet.

Izzy: Her posts are vague, focusing a lot on the narration. Yet, Nogrod's vote for her makes me suspect her as innocent.

Rikae: Her vote for SpM alone seems suspicious...hopefully she'll be back soon to explain it. Other than that, I am still very unsure about her.

Kath: I agree her vote makes her seem more innocent than anything. But learning from previous games, I will not completely forget her and let a possible wolf slide by. While she's not high on my suspicions, I'd still like to keep an eye out on her.

Durelin: Her posts are brief and she doesn't give much explanation behind her thoughts of those she mentions. She's another question mark I'd like to watch closely.

Eolin (I think I'll switch names each Day for the fun of it :p ): They are a very strange character, no doubt about it. Their posts are all in-character with little substance...suspicions jumping from me to Lommy to Nogrod with little explanation behind it. I certainly won't eliminate the possibilty that the vote for Nogrod could be a wolf-on-wolf.

SpM: His many mistakes in judgement yesterDay could make him seem innocentish...but then again, they could just as easily be calculated out by a wolf. I still can't figure out why he voted Lommy, and he seemed so reluctant to change his vote for Nogrod, but had no choice in order to save his own skin (as already mentioned)...which can be a wolfish setup. I will definitely be keeping an eye out for him.

Ugh, there's a lot of uncertainty in my analysis, I realise that. It's really late and I need some sleep in order to clear my head. When I get up tomorrow, I'll take a closer look at Nogrod's posts and see if I can find any clues.

[Isabellkya]

After re-reading what had been said yesterDay, I have a few sentences to commit to my post. Then I will proceed to toDay.


Caomerilin, (hehe can be such fun mixing the names.) Nice to see you are in your role(s). I would like to hear those other reasons which you promised us about voting Nogrod yesterDay. They might be a mute point, however you seemed to hit the nail right on the head.

In reference to Kath's vote; I am wondering whether or not her vote for Nogrod was purely out of suspicious reasons, or was there some 'revenge' mixed in, as she seemed to focus more on Nogrod after he made his suspicions of her known.

After looking through a couple of Nogrod’s posts more finely, I definitely must laugh. He seemed to be pointing a direct arrow at himself, saying, “I AM A WOLF, VOTE FOR ME NOW.” Particularly when he said that Caomerilin looked more innocentish after having voted for him. As well as kind of not having a firm pointing finger of suspicion when it came to everyone else. Save for myself and Kath. I get the feeling that since I do not talk as much as others, (mainly due to time zone) that I end up being a pick for scapegoating.. an easy vote, with which the wolves can attempt to make a ‘case’ for and try to lobby others to follow suite. :P

In general, the people who had placed a vote, and refused to state reasons for it at the time; are a bit odd to me. Not necessarily suspicious, however it does raise my eyebrow.


The time has long passed for when I should be in slumber land. I will return tomorrow when my mind is more awake.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Doubt not the intuition of the Warriors of Finn.

We thought Nogrod seemed wolvish because he sought alliances with those he thought would figure prominently in the village discussion. There was nothing to suggest that we warriors were particularly trustworthy, but he seemed eager to appease us. Same goes for the late Thinlómien whom we were suspicious of too. Nogrod seemed more confident in this bargaining, whereas Thinlómien was more apologetic.

Difficulties arise with the question of the 'baddies'. It seems as though there is more than one collective of the seed of Goll son of Morna. If there was one team, then we could make fair assumptions about the innocence of, say, Kath. There has indeed been only one death last night, but it might be possible that there are two teams of beasts, only one of which gets the wicked satisfaction (perhaps by moderator's randomizer) of a nightly kill.

We wonder why Thinlómien was killed, especially seeing how she had garnered more suspicion than most. She could have been mistaken for a gifted of some sort, or she could possibly have been used to frame someone. Perhaps The Saucepan Man.

[Kath]

In reference to Kath's vote; I am wondering whether or not her vote for Nogrod was purely out of suspicious reasons, or was there some 'revenge' mixed in, as she seemed to focus more on Nogrod after he made his suspicions of her known.
Well as far as I know I wasn't voting him out of revenge, but it was nice to finally peg him as something! Usually I spend the whole game trying to work out what he is only to find that he's been completely innocent the whole way through.

Lommy's death makes sense to me. I think I can understand why some found her suspicious, as for a couple of hours yesterDay I actually thought she was Gifted (she made some reference to 'taking the best shot' or something similar, and I thought it might be a veiled Hunter clue) and Gifted's are too often mistaken for baddies. If the wolves saw something similar to that which I did in her posts that might explain why they went after her.

As to toDay, I find myself inclined to stick with the list I made yesterDay. Brinniel and Sauce. I still think it possible that they are working together.

I said yesterDay that Sauce was acting quite normally to me, to which he responded quite violently and said that he had a reason for appearing not normal at all. Perhaps it was some strategy to make sure he actually lived through the first Day (though I don't know really why he would worry about that, it's rare for him to be lynched quite so early). I don't know what it was, but still I think something is off about him. His 'won't make a decision one way or the other' post felt most out of character.

As for Brinniel. I can't really explain her. It may be this comment that keeps me suspicious of her today:
I agree her vote makes her seem more innocent than anything. But learning from previous games, I will not completely forget her and let a possible wolf slide by. While she's not high on my suspicions, I'd still like to keep an eye out on her.
There's a get out clause firmly wedged in there, and she's another who won't make a decision.

I'm quite set on these two as baddies, but by the look of Shasta's post last Night it looks as though there are others to watch out for so my bizarrely early certainty here won't stop me looking at everyone else. I'll have to wait til said everyone else has turned up and posted though.

[Rikae]

OK, my vote for SPaM - no incredible stroke of genius behind it, just the fact that, to me, the interaction between he and Lommy looked as though it had to contain at least one wolf. Both were too quick on the trigger in response to each other; it smacked of a wolvish attempt at...a diversion. As for Lommy, I became concerned that she might be more likely gifted, so I voted for my other suspect. I have to admit, I completely failed to see Nogrod's suspiciousness. Wie peinlich... :rolleyes:

Today I've combed through Nogrod's posts for any sign of who the other wolf/wolves might be, but I fear he's too crafty for it to be much use.
Still - he seems to have attempted to scapegoat Izzy in a way that, perhaps, he wouldn't if she was a fellow wolf - there would be too much chance that it would work. He waffles on Dury, Brinn and Kath in a very homogenous fashion; a tried and true technique for hiding a fellow wolf. Kath's vote speaks for her innocence; of Dury he says:
Basic Day1 Dury-banter, makes joking suspicions and later answers to Isabell with a joke-analysis on Isabell (and not the prologue she was asked by Isabell if I got it right).

So?
She can be anything. I see nothing out of the ordinary here but she is very much able to use that as a cover as well.

This is odd - Dury's first post actually struck me as somewhat atypical. The conclusion amounts to hedging one's bets - that's all...

On Brinn:

Seems to be like she normally is as well, considerate and cool. Although one might say that she seems to prefer talking more about general issues than people around.

So?
Hard to say once again. She might be a baddie playing it safe for she sure could pull that presentation...

This looks slightly more like a wolf-hiding strategy to me that the Dury quote. "She might be a baddie" looks like suspicion without actually being suspicion; it's nothing but waffling like the Dury-waffle, but worded in such a way to make it LOOK stronger, and maybe create some distance between the wolves...

I'm also by no means reassured of SPaM's innocence toDay. I'd like to point out that his argument that "an innocent would do the same" is no argument at all; and his behavior up to the point of changing his vote could certainly be oonstrued as an attempt to save Nogrod.

[The Saucepan Man]

A few idle thoughts on what has been said since I was last here.

Izzy: Her posts are vague, focusing a lot on the narration. Yet, Nogrod's vote for her makes me suspect her as innocent.The insubstantive nature of Isabelkya's posts troubles me too. And I would not put it past Noggie to vote for her, even if she is a Wolf too.

SpM: His many mistakes in judgement yesterDay could make him seem innocentish...but then again, they could just as easily be calculated out by a wolf.Harsh, but fair. I blame those darned cards ...

I still can't figure out why he voted Lommy, and he seemed so reluctant to change his vote for Nogrod ...It's rather beside the point now, so I won't dwell on it. Lommy's first few posts attracted my attention because the first gave me the impression that she was trying to look helpful without saying much of consequence, while the second seemed to make more than was reasonable out of the early banter (from Eolin and me). So I decided to accuse her aggressively and add a vote for good measure. In response she backed off from her suspicions of me saying she no longer found my posts suspicious and instead voted for Eolin with little reason, having earlier said that she would not vote for them without good reason, which to my mind simply confirmed my suspicions. I though it all added up to a rather good case, but it looks like Rikae had it right when she noted that it was all rather too obvious for a Wolfish Lommy.

And yes, just to compound my humiliation, I thought Noggie more likely innocent than not, even as I voted for him. :rolleyes:

In general, the people who had placed a vote, and refused to state reasons for it at the time; are a bit odd to me. Not necessarily suspicious, however it does raise my eyebrow.You know, I am coming round to the view that there can be merit in voting without giving a reason, at least at the time the vote is cast. YesterDay, my intent was to see whether anyone else was thinking along the same lines as me about Lommy, without feeding them the lines. I am often accused of being (or of trying to be) too influential, so I am trying to tone down my lengthy and reasoned submissions. That said, the merit in requiring that votes be reasoned is that baddies will often have to construct reasons for the votes that they want to place, and that can help us spot them.

We wonder why Thinlómien was killed, especially seeing how she had garnered more suspicion than most. She could have been mistaken for a gifted of some sort, or she could possibly have been used to frame someone. Perhaps The Saucepan Man.I don't doubt that part of the reason was to frame me. I reckon that our enemy (or enemies) think that they kight have a good chance of getting me lynched toDay. Unforunately, they might be right. I also think it quite possible that they thought she might be Gifted. She attracted a fair bit of suspicion, and that can often be the way with Gifteds, as Kath points out. Indeed, perhaps she was killed because I thought her guilty, given my knack of voting for Seers, thinking them to be Wolves. :D

I said yesterDay that Sauce was acting quite normally to me, to which he responded quite violently and said that he had a reason for appearing not normal at all.Well ... I think that 'violently' may be overstating it rather. And you are reading far too much into this. You said that you thought that I was acting normally. I disagreed that I was, because I was specifically intending to play far more aggressively and a lot less analytically than I normally do early in the game. It's as simple as that.

I'm quite set on these two as baddies ...Well, you are wrong about me. Which is rather a shame, as I think you most likely innocent. But you could be on the right scent with Brinniel.

... but by the look of Shasta's post last Night it looks as though there are others to watch out for so my bizarrely early certainty here won't stop me looking at everyone else.I'm not sure where you get this from. My reading is that the stargazer was a Gifted, possibly the Seer. There was one wailer, suggesting a single remaining Wolf (or Banshee) to me. It remains quite possible, however, that there is also a Cobbler, or some such thing, among us.

[The Saucepan Man]

I'd like to point out that his argument that "an innocent would do the same" is no argument at all;And I would like to point out that I fully accepted this to be the case ...

Evidentially, I would suggest that it speaks neither the one way nor the other.:rolleyes:

[Kath]

I'm not sure where you get this from.
The bit where he said: 'wolves and other assorted baddies'. Now 'other assorted' appears to mean more than one other thing to me, but perhaps Shasta is just trying to scare us. Anyhow, that's where I got that from.

[Rikae]

Quite right, quite right Sauce; sorry.

Still, I want to make sure everyone notices *points at Sauce* POSSIBLE WOLF!!!!

Anyway. if I interpret correctly, Sauce, upon seeing a potential Brinniel-lynching in the works, adds his voice to it in the easiest way possible. I have no doubt that, if Brinniel is innocent, Sauce is guilty.

Does anyone remember my first werewolf game? Good times.

Let's get to the bottom of this, shall we?

++Brinniel

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Post #26

This is where, we believe, he starts including substance. He lists all the players and discusses them somewhat. He arranges them into 3 categories. Category 1 is Rikae and Menel. He notes that they haven't posted and spares them from his wrath; perhaps interesting given his infamous dislike of quiet players. Menel wasn't going to be around on Day One, but there was no such notice given by Rikae.

Category 2 includes The Warriors of Finn, SPM and Lommy. Players who he wanted to build alliances with in the hope of gaining influence. He didn't want to vote for any of these players, he simply singled them out.

Category 3 is his 'suspect list'. He listed Isabellkya, Durelin, Kath and Brinniel.


Post 34

He explicates his suspect list, and tries to build cases against the 4. He said that the strongest case, however slightly, was against Izzy and did go on to vote for her. He was vague about the others.


Post 36

Highlights again that he doesn't want himself, Lommy, SPM or Finn's warriors to go to the gallows. He wants to be friends with these players.


Post 37

Another categories post, where he changes his mind somewhat. Now Izzy and Kath are most suspicious, Lommy is now as suspicious as Durelin, and Brinniel is merely slightly worrying, alongside SPM, Rikae and Menel. Finn's Warriors are innocentish.

[The Saucepan Man]

The bit where he said: 'wolves and other assorted baddies'. Now 'other assorted' appears to mean more than one other thing to me, but perhaps Shasta is just trying to scare us. Anyhow, that's where I got that from.Ah yes. Good catch. At the time that was posted, there was no indication that Noggie was a Wolf (and I still thought him likely innocent), so I didn't read much into it. Yet Noggie's fate was already sealed. So, either there is more than one Wolf left among us or Shasta was playing with our heads. Either way, I think we probably have something like a cobbler too.

Anyway. if I interpret correctly, Sauce, upon seeing a potential Brinniel-lynching in the works, adds his voice to it in the easiest way possible. I have no doubt that, if Brinniel is innocent, Sauce is guilty.OK, so Rikae thinks either Brinn or I a Wolf and wants to lynch one of us to test the theory, while Kath thinks us both Wolves in league. Well, you can't both be right! :D

In any event, Rikae, I mentioned Brinniel's name toDay because I found her suspicious yesterDay but, given that I got almost everything else wrong, wanted to look back and reread/reappraise. Having done so, I think that my suspicion of her was largely based on my misguided conviction that Lommy was a Wolf. It seemed to me that there was some sort of alliance between them to direct suspicion onto the Warriors of Finn and me. I was also not entirely convinced by Brinniel's reasons for voting for me. So, while she is by no means cleared in my mind, my suspicions of her are somewhat lessened. No doubt you will think that very convenient, in light of your last post, but there we are.

I am off to look through Noggie's posts.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Izzy is likely innocent. We don't think Nogrod would have risked building a case against a fellow wolf so early and so consistently.

SPM is perhaps innocent. We think that if SPM & Nogrod were wolf allies then they would have made more of their traditional arguments. Instead we see them extending hands of friendship. Nogrod clearly wanted to be friends with SPM. He was, though, stabbed in the back somewhat.

Kath is probably innocent. Nogrod places her at the top of his suspect list for no apparent reason, seeming to exaggerate his views from #34 to #37.

Durelin is in his "some concerns" category partly because he was swayed by Rikae's comment on her posts. We think this makes Durelin look slightly guilty, because he is keeping her near the top of his suspect. Also, he doesn't want anything she might have done to slide by unnoticed and without criticism, because he doesn't want to be allied with her. So he disagrees with Rikae's criticism but still decides to give Rikae the benefit of the doubt; and is happy to put Durelin near the top of his list, without any real reason.

We are thinking that, if there are 2 other wolves, Nogrod would not place them on the same level of suspicion. So, let us consider Nogrod's "slightly worried about" category (#37), which is: SPM, Brinniel, Rikae and Menel. We think there is one wolf among them, and we consider SPM the least suspicious of those.

So: right now we think Durelin looks quite guilty, and with her probably Menel or Brinniel.

Rikae is perhaps less suspicious if Durelin is a wolf, because both Rikae and Nogrod debated reasons against Durelin.

So that's what we think right now. The Warriors of Finn have spoken. Heed their words.

[The Saucepan Man]

It seems that we’ve all benn looking back over Noggie’s posts.

In his first post (#8), he says:

I'd agree with Lommy here for I do think also that we probably have three wolves around.

Of interest because we are still wondering whether we have two Wolves yet to contend with, or just one. It’s difficult to know, however, whether Nogrod was telling the truth here, or seeking to mislead and, perhaps, spread fear.

In post #17, he says:

I think also that we need to be aware not to direct all our attention and / or suspicion over exactly those people who look like ones we could easily turn to - even if it is the easiest way for any individual in the confusion and guessing on Day1. It has many times resulted in hasty bandwaggon-lynching of an innocent with the negative effect that the baddies can safely ride with the tide and get lost in the crowd.

The sense is unclear, but I think that he was trying to steer people away from the loud ones. He makes the same point slightly later, in #35:

But what I'm afraid of is that we end up like so many times before lynching an outspoken innocent on Day1 just because it's so easy to vote for those who are talked about eg. those who have themselves said something that stirs discussion.

He seems to be referring primarily to Eolin, Lommy, himself and me, all of whom had received a vote at that time (see his post #36 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=531243&postcount=36)). I actually agreed with him at the time, but it he may have been trying to divert votes away, not just from himself, but also from a fellow Wolf. If so, from my perspective, it can only have been Eolin. Then again, it is typical of Noggie to try to keep the louder players in the game, even when they are against him, and he would certainly have wanted to dissuade any further votes for him.

Noggie’s post #34 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=531237&postcount=34) bears reading in its entirety. He analyses each of those who he claims to be considering voting for: Izzie, Brinn, Durelin and Kath. I think it quite likely that there was a fellow Wolf in this list. I am not sure why he was looking at Kath at all, given that she had hardly posted (which supports my feeling that she is likely innocent). And, while I would not put it past him to have voted for a fellow Wolf, I tend to think that, if Izzie was his fellow, then his vote for her would have been too risky. As for the other two, I rather agree with Rikae that the words he used about both of them could well be those of a Wolf speaking of a fellow Wolf.

In #37 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=531245&postcount=37), he lists his suspicions:

Here we go then.

I find suspicious:
Isabell - The silent ones are always hard to catch but the slip about being frightened might be the one to make it this time.
Kath - I always find her suspicious and am afraid of her as she can pass every radar and still get on with it.

I have some concerns:
Lommy - Because of what I mentioned above.
Dury - She's one of those one just can't say anything. So we should be very careful with her.

I'm slightly worried about:
Spm - He doesn't ring any alarms right now.
Brinniel - She doesn't ring any alarms right now.
Rikae - She doesn't ring any alarms right now.
Menel - He hasn't have had even a chance to raise any alarms this far.

I'm believing innocentish:
Cailmer - Look above for stated reasons.

Hmm, if I was a Wolf making a list like that, I would probably place my fellow (if only one) in the ‘some concerns’ or ‘slightly worried’ category.

As I said earlier, I think Rikae’s vote for me (which essentially prompted me to change my vote to Nogrod) was not the vote of a Wolf. Menel has not said a great deal so far, and what little he has said does not arouse my concerns. So, based purely upon Nogrod’s posts, I would conclude that either Brinniel or Durelin is a Wolf (but probably not both).

Of the two, I am inclined to suspect Dury more, because of Noggie’s placing of her in his list and the words he uses to describe her:

And Dury is crafty enough to look perfectly her normal self and still be a villain.

She's one of those one just can't say anything. So we should be very careful with herJust sounds like a Wolf talking about a fellow Wolf to me.

[Durelin]

I must say you all have me sick to death of these 'if this, then that' arguments. There is absolutely no way for you to prove the premise 'if so-and-so is/isn't a wolf, then so-and-so #2 isn't/is a wolf', so give up trying to sound logical. This is 'Werewolf'.

Wow, I feel like TGWBS...

*snort* While you guys are pouring over Nogrod's-specially-encoded-list-positionings, I will be clutching at some at least more realistic straws.

I have a bad feeling about Rikae and Isabell.

Rikae's "if Brinniel, then not Espiem, but if not Brinniel then Espiem" bothers me, but what bothers me even more is her "let's get to the bottom of this", as if we are all on the same page, we've explored every other avenue, this is our only lead, this is the last piece of the puzzle...or something.

Eh? I mean, I don't feel like Brinniel is innocent, and I am definitely not loving Espiem right now, but...whatever.

Isabell's kind neutrality puts me off. But this particular thing bothers the heck out of me:

After looking through a couple of Nogrod’s posts more finely, I definitely must laugh. He seemed to be pointing a direct arrow at himself, saying, “I AM A WOLF, VOTE FOR ME NOW.” Particularly when he said that Caomerilin looked more innocentish after having voted for him. As well as kind of not having a firm pointing finger of suspicion when it came to everyone else. Save for myself and Kath. I get the feeling that since I do not talk as much as others, (mainly due to time zone) that I end up being a pick for scapegoating.. an easy vote, with which the wolves can attempt to make a ‘case’ for and try to lobby others to follow suite. :P

Yes, the whole thing. Look at it! It's an entire paragraph dedicated to a 'laughing off' sort of defense of her being a Wolf on Nogrod's list, explaining why he would pick her to be one of his top suspects. Uh...Nogrod's dead, we all know he was a Wolf...why so worried? Obviously at the top of a Wolf's suspect list is not where most people are looking for another Wolf.

However, I see that as entirely possible...so maybe your seemingly off-handed, 'oh, how funny' defense is preemptive but genuine and practical?

*wanders off to raise her bloodsugar*

[Meneltarmacil]

Regarding Brinniel, it is possible that she's a wolf. She doesn't really say much the first Day, preferring to discuss possible meanings of the narration. Her vote for Sauce when the votes could go any way seemed out of place to me if they were both Wolves, but Kath, in her first post, suspected a Wolf-on-Wolf there, and I would tend to treat Kath as being trustworthy at this point given her role in lynching Nogrod yesterday. Her reasoning makes some sense as well, and I would like to add that a risky maneuver like that, if successful, might be a good way for a wolf to cast off suspicion. SpM suspects Brinniel a bit toDay as well, but then suspects Durelin more, possibly a way of maintaining a pre-agreed wolf-on-wolf-plan like what Kath seems to have been thinking of. Focusing more attention on Durelin would help to keep people's attention off Isabellkya, a wise precaution to keep Brinniel safe after the death of Nogrod.

Also noteworthy is the fact that we have Nogrod hinting (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=531211&postcount=17) that Sauce's in-game comments make him look suspicious but then dropping the matter and keeping his fanged mouth shut, even going so far as to actively discourage suspicion on that basis (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=531215&postcount=19). I've seen this type of tactic in Wolves before. One of them will notice that another is doing something suspicious, then gently hints that said activity be stopped while disguising it as honest suspicion. The difference withNogrod here is that Sauce didn't take his advice, as he mentions the cards again in his next post, so Nogrod tries to clean up the mess he's made before it gets worse.

So we have Nogrod the Werewolf possibly giving SpM hints, SpM and Brinniel suspecting each other to a certain extent, and SpM defending Nogrod throughout Day 1 (claiming he's innocent and posting suspicions of Kath.

[Meneltarmacil]

Aaaaaaaack! I meant to say "Brinniel" in paragraph 1, not "Isabellkya!"

[Durelin]

I would just like to add that in what I quoted of Isabellkya in my previous post, she expresses that 'it was so obvious that Nogrod was a Wolf', as if to assure us that 'I totally would have voted for Nogrod if I had been here'?

Izzy is likely innocent. We don't think Nogrod would have risked building a case against a fellow wolf so early and so consistently.

Nogrod doesn't even mention 'Izzy' until his fourth post, and then only as part of a rather large list (considering the size of this village) of people he wants to look at.

When he does actually look at her, he says:

She just might be a baddie although the grounds are pretty weak. But the best I have this far.

Which, when compared to what he has to say about the other three he looks at (myself, Brinniel, and Kath), isn't much different. He does conclude that post saying she is the most suspicious, though.

In his next post he lumps the same four together, and divides them between two lists: the more and the little less suspicious, it seems.

At least remaining, of course, consistent, he does vote for her. A Day 1 case and vote...probably would have been forgotten by toDay even if Nogrod was not killed and found out. Not much of a risk.

So, I did forget that he voted for her, but I definitely don't feel like it rules her out. The only person I am going to risk ruling out for now is Kath because of the placement of her vote.

*suddenly eyes Menel* Following Rikae's lead?

[Isabellkya]

Durelin, I was merely laughing at the perfect hindsight of it. I was not and am not saying that it was that obvious. Nor am I saying that I totally would've voted for Nogrod, had I been here to vote; as I read the Night plot before catching up on yesterDay's readings.

[The Saucepan Man]

Hey ho. What am I to make of the fact that Cailomer's interpretation of Nogrod's posts largely mirrors my own? Perhaps, given my track record thus far, I should be worried. On balance, though, I find that it inclines me to trust them more.

A greater cause for concern. Durelin is speaking decidedly good sense.

Rikae's "if Brinniel, then not Espiem, but if not Brinniel then Espiem" bothers me, but what bothers me even more is her "let's get to the bottom of this", as if we are all on the same page, we've explored every other avenue, this is our only lead, this is the last piece of the puzzle...or something. This bothers me too. But I still find it unlikely that, with Nogrod on two votes and knowing that I was around, she would have drawn me level with him, if a Wolf. Surely she would have voted for someone else on one vote who was unlikely to return. That said, I most definately do not discount her possible Cobblerishness.

Her points on Isabellkya also make sense. However, Nogrod knows full well the tendency for the quieter participants to attract votes on Day 1. Accordingly, his vote looks more like scapegoating that Wolf-on-Wolf to me. That's not to discount her entirely, particularly as she does feel very non-committal, but there are others that I find more suspicious right now.

So why does the fact that Durelin is talking sense concern me? Well, it seems to have come about just as she is coming under some pressure.

In other news, we have Menel accusing me of being in league with Brinniel. Well, I am provided that she is innocent. But, given that she has recently reclaimed her position as one of my top suspects, I somehow don't really feel like I am in league with her at present.

As for Noggie supposedly dropping me hints to tone down my act, well if that's the best that you can come up with, I have nothing to fear. :D

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

We think also that Menel or Brinniel is as wicked as Big-Fist the Siren. If Durelin should prove innocent, then Rikae may be another character to look at; but we are quite sure of this:

++DURELIN

We outlined our reasons earlier. Durelin shall be as Aed.

On the Barrow, by a sharp-pointed spear,
Aed, Fidga’s son, has fallen:
By the spear of Fiacal,
Finn has slain him.

Venom is this spear,
And venomous he whose it is,
Venomous whoever threw it,
Venom for him whom it laid low

So sayeth the Warriors of Finn.

[Durelin]

Have you considered, Espiem, that only Day 1 has passed, and rarely do I waste my time trying to make sense on Day 1? Sometimes I do choose to make sense after that. Sometimes I actually read (most of) the thread. Sometimes.

ToDay I chose to make sense because I only had one class.

Oh, and as I forgot to say earlier - please stop trying to pinpoint 'typical Durelin'. I don't know who she is or where to find her either, so you may as well give up.

Eomer/Cailin's short-minded sort of consistency bothers me (posts to explain who they think is suspicious, then posts to vote for who he/she said in previous post was suspicious...done), and the way he/she is remaining somehow detached reminds me of Cailin-wolf. Still, I won't go with a plain old retaliatory vote I don't think. There are so many other lovely people who are calling for me vote, too... *le sigh*

Sauce is not spell-checking his posts. I don't think he's a wolf at the moment.

What I believe to be possible Wolf pairs (assuming there are two wolves left, which I think we've pretty much decided) at the moment:

Isabellkya and Rikae

Menel and Rikae

Brinniel and Eomer

So many to choose, so little time and posting...

[Shastanis Althreduin]

A heads up:

At the deadline today, I'm going to be in a theatre meeting. :( I'm going to trust you guys to stop posting at the deadline, okay?

I believe Brinniel has one vote thus far, as does Durelin.

[Isabellkya]

As I must place a vote today, and we have little over an hour remaining; I will

++Durelin

as I find her top in my mind at the moment. As she says she is sick of the if this/then that style arguments. Yet pairs people together for possible wolf pairs; are those not if this/then that arguments?

[Meneltarmacil]

I suppose I might as well vote; my suspicions have already been mentioned.

++The Saucepan Man

[Kath]

So, my two suspects have a vote each, which to choose?

++BRINNIEL

Because I'm having trouble actually formulating an argument against her. I can't find reasons other than her indecisiveness, and much of my suspicion of Sauce actually rests on the assumption that these two are working together. That's not to say that if Brinniel turns out to be a mere Cobbler that Sauce isn't a wolf, there's still something there.

[Kath]

Oops, just to make sure it counts:

++BRINNIEL

[The Saucepan Man]

Oh, and as I forgot to say earlier - please stop trying to pinpoint 'typical Durelin'. I don't know who she is or where to find her either, so you may as well give up.Oh, I wouldn't presume to, as I know how it irks you so. :p I just noticed that, of all the various Durelins, the sensible, analytical one had come to the fore, just as you were beginning to come under some suspicion. And, since the sensible points that you made were about those who I think unlikely to be Wolves, my suspicions were further aroused.

... assuming there are two wolves left, which I think we've pretty much decided ...Have we? As I noted earlier, the narrative suggests that there was just one wailer. Hmm, Noggie wanted us to think that there were three Wolves too ...

Re-reading the thread, Kath comes across as so suspicious to me, especially her long post yetserDay. If it wasn’t for her vote for Nogrod, I would probably be voting for her. But surely a Wolfish Kath would not have sold fellow Wolf Noggie down the river like that. Just in case she is a Wolf, though, and played a blinder, I don't want her to think that she has fooled me completely. ;)

I also found Brinniel's post #56 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=531335&postcount=56) interesting. She says herself:

Ugh, there's a lot of uncertainty in my analysis, I realise that.By gum lass, you can say that again. You are equivocal about practically everyone here. Were you perhaps trying to keep all your chickens in the one basket to allow yourself leeway later on toDay, depending upon which way the votes are going?

Well, the two current candidates are Brinniel or Durelin. I can see myself voting for either of them. Possibly Menel too, as I am slightly nervous of him. Of the others, I think Rikae unlikely to be a Wolf, though she may well be a baddie all the same, and I am inclined for now to trust Kath and the Warriors of Finn (although, with Kath, only because of her vote yesterDay). I remain undecided about Izzie, but think her more likely innocent than fiendish.

[Durelin]

Isabellkya - No, I'm not saying 'if this, then that'. I'm not declaring that "If you are a wolf, then Rikae must also be". I'm just suggesting what is possible when I look at the people I suspect. It's all in the phrasing, I know.

I apologize for my pickyness when it comes to some things...many things? I'm both indecisive, picky, and stubborn...geez, no wonder I suck at this Werewolf thing.

As I noted earlier, the narrative suggests that there was just one wailer.

Oh. Really? I will go back and read. I just remember Isabellkya's instructions to "wolves and other assorted baddies". But I suppose it is possible he's not coming out and telling us anything, particularly as he even held back Nogrod's identity until the start of the Day...unless I'm going crazy or didn't read properly (or read at all....) again...

Er, when is the deadline?

[Brinniel]

Okay, I expected to be back earlier...but I had RL things to take care of. Anyways, I am here now.

I am still feeling fairly confident that SpM is a wolf. I still don't like his vote from yesterDay...something still feels wrong about it. Today, he uses Durelin as a perfect scapegoat. And still suspects me for "my behaviour." You mean safe? Uncertain? Well, I admit...that's how I always am...indecisive. :rolleyes:

Eolin irks me as well. They're footsteps follow SpM's jumping on Durelin. Though it seems unlikely that two wolves would so openly bandwagon, I wouldn't count them out as a possible team. No votes for them toDay though...I will definitely keep them as a consideration for toMorrow.

Durelin does not seem wolfish at all, though I think there's a chance she could be a cobbler.

What to do? I would like to vote SpM, but I admit I won't hesitate voting Durelin if it means saving my own skin..

[The Saucepan Man]

++BRINNIEL

[Brinniel]

++Durelin

[Durelin]

I don't feel like Brinniel should be lynched, but I'm afraid I'm not voting for myself.

Really.

Oh bother.

++Brinniel

[Brinniel]

Question to Shasta:

Does Durelin's vote count?

I just wanna know if I'm dead or not... :confused:

[Shastanis Althreduin]

By the timestamp, Durelin's vote was just one minute past the deadline. Sorry, but you've executed Durelin. Night 2 begins now. Wolves and.... send me your lists.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Execution, Day Two

The camp had chosen Durelin to die today. Not even her legendary skill with rocks would help her now. If only she'd been a moment quicker-!

Durelin pulled a gold coin out of her pocket. "My last lucky coin..." she said dreamily with an Irish brogue. Flipping it up, she caught it deftly. "Tails... oh dear." She looked up, helpless, as the camp advanced. "Wait, please! I can help you!" she said desperately, eyes flicking from person to person. "You need me!"

"Foolish wench," Eolin snickered. "We don't need you!" They hefted a wooden lance and threw it with unerring accuracy and strength. The lance pierced first Durelin's coin, then her heart. She fell over and began to glow green, and the lance fell away.

"Fools! I did all in my power to aid you, and this is how you repay me... You'll have no more insight from me."

Durelin dissolved into a rainbow mist, and the crowd looked at each other sheepishly. Oops.

Night Two

The unearthly wail echoed again from everywhere and nowhere at once. The stargazer from the previous night, now too scared to move from their blankets, shivered under a heavy presentiment of doom. This time, however, another person heard it for the first time, and shuddered. A sound that lonely boded no good for anyone...

Espiem couldn't sleep. He decided to go for a moonlight swim; after all, werewolves couldn't swim, right? He'd be safe enough... right? He padded down to the lakeshore and dove in, gasping at the shock of the cool water. After doing a few laps, he felt sufficiently relaxed enough to sleep. He struck for the shore, swimming powerfully. As he got to the edge, though, he was out of breath...

and looked down, instead of up.

His mistake.

A clawed paw-hand slammed down on the back of his head, forcing poor Espiem under the water. He struggled and kicked, but to no avail; the mud was sticky, and the beast murdering him too strong. His struggles became weaker and weaker until finally he stopped moving, floating somberly facedown in the lake. The murderous beast snickered to itself and slunk off, satisfied.

When the camp awoke, they realized that two of their number were missing. Kath, recalling that Espiem had a great love for the water of the lake, decided to go down there to search for him. Moments later, a scream arose from the shore, and the rest of the camp pelted down to find Kath dragging the drowned body of Espiem back to shore.

"But Espiem was such a strong swimmer..." Isabellkya whispered.

"Not when something's holding his head underwater," Brinniel replied angrily. "Look!"

There on the back of Espiem's head was a clear pawprint. Rikae looked around. "Someone's not here.... where's Menel?"

They pelted back to the campsite, and discovered his footsteps leading out to the moors. "There's no coming back from there," Eolin said solemnly. "There's hidden patches of bog, and quicksand... No, I'm sure the land swallowed him right up!"

The Shining:
Kath
Brinniel
Rikae
Isabellkya
Eolin

Forever Dimmed:
Nogrod - Boiled in Oil Day 1 - Werewolf
Thinlomien - Savaged and Axed Night 1 - Ordo
Durelin - Coined, Pinned, and Dissolved Day 2 - Leprechaun
Meneltarmacil - Swallowed by the Land Night 2 - Ordo
Espiem - Drowned via a Paw Night 2 - Ordo

[Rikae]

Well, I don't know how obviously I need to put this - I didn't get the point across yesterDay, but maybe that's for the best now.

I KNOW that Brinniel is evil. Brinniel and Espiem were not on the same side.

++Brinniel

[Brinniel]

Two deaths last night? It's already been hinted before, but obviously we really have more wolves to watch out for..

I KNOW that Brinniel is evil. Brinniel and Espiem were not on the same side.
How do you KNOW this? It is not uncommon for two innocents to go after one another; something the wolves love to play with as I learned in my first game. And it happened again...I made a mistake.

Rikae's confidence on this matter doesn't look too good. I hope you have a better explanation than that. An innocent should not be so confident.

Obviously, I need to rethink some things since my previous judgement was so off. I only hope Shasta will manage to write up a narration so we can understand last Night's events better.

[Isabellkya]

May I ask how you know that Brinniel is evil Rikae?

It is quite a lofty claim I must say. I had been tempted to vote for Brinniel today, due to actions during the last hour of yesterDay.

Due to the amount of people in this game, I am doubting that there are two wolf teams, per the two kills. I also doubt that the wolf team would get two kills in one night, it seems to be a bit overpowered.

What is it, the Hunter; who has a shot or something and tries to go after the wolves?

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

According to Cailín leprechauns are associated with the earth and the land. Now, Menel's death was at night, and did not occur at the same time as Durelin's, which is what would normally happen in the case of a Hunter kill. But perhaps the mod is being misleading. Is it likely that Durelin would have chosen Menel?

Rikae could be a seer, but she could just as easily be lying. If she is lying, and is evil, then we can accept her certainty of Brinniel's guilt and lose the game. We don't know if there is a seer, so even if someone makes an explicit claim we cannot believe them. This situation is too convenient for the wicked.

But we really must know what happened yesterday and last night.

[Brinniel]

About Durelin:

I admit, all I really know about leprechauns is that they're associated with mischief, which makes me suspect she was a baddie. Since we still don't have any narration to help us, I did some research to see if I could find out more. And then this caught my eye:

They usually take the form of old men who enjoy partaking in mischief. Their trade is that of a cobbler or shoemaker.


I'm now feeling quite sure Durelin was our cobbler.

But why the death of two ordinaries? Shasta hinted that there were "assorted baddies." I can only guess that this must be true, as I cannot think of any other explanation.

[Kath]

So was Durelin a baddie or a goodie? If we're actually going by leprechaun lore I don't know that she was either. They're supposed to be bringers of luck, but that can be either good or bad luck. I suppose though that we'd better hope she was a baddie, as we still don't have any idea how many of those are left.

As to the deaths from last Night, well I was obviously wrong about Sauce, but why did the baddies go after him? He was pretty much roundly suspected yesterDay and surely it would have served them better to leave him alive and allow everyone to argue over him again? Menel - well I thought at first that it was a mod kill as I couldn't recall him voting, but I've just gone back and checked and he did so it seems we have yet another agent at work.

On to toDay - Rikae, how can you be so sure Brinniel is guilty? I've had my suspicions of her and they haven't decreased, but you seem so certain. I recall there being a role once where someone could see whether two people are connected, have you something like that? I know that's it's against all normalcy to actually ask someone to reveal, but you do seem to have pretty much done so anyway and a bit of certainty in these games is always good.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

We have thought long and hard about this. Actually knowing what happened yesterday and last night, and the whole leprechaun business, would be mighty useful; but we have reached these conclusions regardless.

Kath is likely innocent. We'd be very surprised if she wasn't, simply because of her vote for Nogrod. This is even more so if there were only ever 2 wolves, which is a real possibility.

Izzy is also likely innocent. We'd be less surprised if she was wolvish than if Kath was, but nevertheless we find Nogrod's behaviour towards her speaks in her favour.

Which leaves us with the other two, who have been conveniently attacking each other. We see a few scenarios which are possible, so let us guide you through them:

Perhaps: both Rikae and Brinniel are wolves. Rikae is attacking Brinniel with verve, in the hope of establishing her own innocence by slaying her ally. She is throwing in hints that she is a Seer.

Perhaps: Rikae is a remaining wolf, and Brinniel is innocent, then it seems quite certain that either Kath or Izzy has been hiding a furry secret. This would not be a good scenario, because Brinniel is favourite to die today, and the death of an innocent Brinniel would end this village. We find this scenario unlikely, though.

Perhaps: Rikae is indeed a seer, or just a completely accurate villager, and Brinniel is a wolf. Lynching her today is our best option.

When we kill Brinniel, and discover her wolvish ways, what will happen? If the game continues then obviously there remains one wolf. If it is not Rikae then she will be killed, because a wolf must assume that she is indeed a seer. However, if Rikae remains alive, which we believe will happen, the village will have found its last wolf. Which means that Kath and Izzy should unite to kill her.

There is an obvious problem with this, though we believe it may be possible to solve it. If, say, Kath is the last wolf, then she could kill The Warriors of Finn and convince Izzy to help her kill the innocent Rikae. We believe there is a way, which the true seer shall know, to prove her magical ways. Obviously we cannot suggest it; but we hope the seer would know what we refer to.

Lots of scenarios, lots of possible outcomes. Currently, we believe that both Brinniel and Rikae are evil, and we will most likely vote for Brinniel today.

Another point. Notice the posts of today, after the mod threw out the crazy concept of the leprechaun. Rikae made a very single-minded post; Brinniel, who said something about 2 wolf kills, which is at odds with what happened on the first night, did not make much sense, nor did she try to get discussion going. Hers was a mere retort to Rikae. Only Izzy volunteered some notable thoughts on the strange events which had obviously happened.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

We need info from the mod. Perhaps this day should be extended, because there are things we should have known about at the start of the day.

If Durelin was a simple Hunter, we doubt that there is also a seer.



The boy looked at each of the ten. Mist began to swirl around one of them, entering the body and glowing for a moment, before settling to normal astonishingly quickly. The boy smiled.

"The land itself has taken a hand, it seems. Well and good. Your task shall be thus; each day, talk amongst yourselves. Gain information. Decide who is to be trusted, and who is not. At the end of the day, I will return, and you will give me a name. That name will be.... removed. But beware! Night brings things best left unmentioned. I fear for you all."



This quotation from the initial game post suggests that there is one gifted. If Durelin was on our side then we lost a gifted. However, if she was some sort of cobbler-hunter hybrid, then we reckon that there were only ever 2 wolves; and the gifted is still among us.

Which obviously suggests a seer-Rikae and a wolf-Brinniel.

So please: what the hell is a leprechaun?

[Rikae]

I am a weaver, basically - I can tell whether two people are on the same side or not, but I don't know what side that is.

Brinn and SPaM were not on the same side, but Eolin and Menel were.

As for the question of tomorrow, I can't imagine Shasta would have burdened us with more than three baddies in such a small group. I'm inclined to think that Menel's death was either linked somehow to Duralin (perhaps the leprechaun's kills are delayed?) or some type of assassin among us.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Perhaps Eomer is right and I should extend this day. It was my fault for not getting the narration up. I'm doing that as soon as I finish this post. Please believe me when I say it was no fault of my own, but a medical problem.

PS: I'm all right now :D.

Edit: Plots are done. Tell me if you think I should extend the Day.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Part of us is trusting Rikae now. If she speaks the truth she knows that we are innocent. Brinniel will obviously die today; but we fear that if Rikae does speak the truth then there is another, quiet, sneaky, tricksy baddie among us. So if there is another wolf after Brinniel, Rikae will be slain tonight; and we will have to decide whom to trust: Kath or Izzy.

++BRINNIEL

We're not sure if there is a need to extend the day, since today's acts seem straight-forward.

If Rikae is lying then she's done a splendid job. But humour us, magical mistress, and reveal yourself properly. You know how to do it right? Tell us: who are you?

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Just done a bit of reading. We trust you Rikae.

[Kath]

++BRINNIEL

My suspicions remain from yesterDay and Rikae's revelation only cements them. It is entirely possible of course that Rikae is playing a blinder of a game and is completely evil, but I'm willing to put my trust in her toDay.

It would completely suck though if Rikae and Eolin turn out to be the evil ones and are currently playing us all for fools.

Oh, and I'm sorry for my absence toDay. My housemate is sick so I've been playing nursemaid. It is not a fun job.

[Brinniel]

Always so quick to trust the one who claims giftedness aren't you?

But fine. If you are so sure, let us end the Day already.

++Brinniel

[Shastanis Althreduin]

I'm leaving for a departmental picnic soon, and you all seem very sure of your votes. Should I just end the day here?

[Isabellkya]

++ Brinniel



Let me atleast get a vote in, not that it would matter much. I hope the same thing, that what Rikae says is ture, and we are not being played for fools.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Brinniel has been executed.

People, you know what to do.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Execution, Day 3

Brinniel hung her head as the accusations flew.

"You killed Espiem! You killed Thinlomien! How could you?"

Brinniel lifted her head, and an otherworldly energy filled her eyes.

"How DARE you. How DARE you ask how I could do something like this. By rights, you should all be dead! DEAD! This land was ours for so long, but now..."

Brinniel closed her eyes and began to tremble.

"I will see you all dead. Maybe not by my hand, but all... all will pay..."

Her last words came out as a bass growl, as she became a gleaming white wolf. She leapt savagely at Eolin, who dropped and rolled out of the way. Brinniel charged again. A rock slammed into her shoulder, and she whirled. Isabellkya stood there, hefting another rock.

"I may not have the skill with rocks that Durelin had, but you shall not harm anyone else!"

Isabellkya threw the rock with all her strength. The stone missile sailed through the air, crushing Brinniel's nose. She fell to her haunches, wheezing, trying to breathe. She could not take in enough air, and finally, she fell over on her side, dead.

Night Three

The scourge of werewolves was gone from the land, but still, Eolin couldn't sleep. They got up, intending to go stargazing again, as they had two nights ago. An unearthly howl stopped them in their tracks. "No! Not again... no... please... it's too much!" they begged, falling to their knees. Their terror was so great, had built up for so long, that something behind their eyes snapped. Dully, they drew their sword and stabbed themselves. As the weapon sank home, Eolin's expression never changed. Two others heard the wail that night; one had heard it the previous night. Both were struck with an ominous sense of foreboding...

Rikae screamed. "Eolin! Eolin!" she cried, waking Kath and Isabellkya. The Finnish warrior slumped across the path to the lake, despair on the dead face.


The Shining:
Rikae
Isabellkya
Kath

Forever Dimmed:
Nogrod - Boiled in Oil Day 1 - Werewolf
Thinlomien - Savaged and Axed Night 1 - Ordo
Durelin - Coined and Dissolved Day 2 - Leprechaun
Meneltarmacil - Swallowed by the Land Night 2 - Ordo
Espiem - Drowned Night 2 - Ordo
Brinniel - Crushed and Suffocated Day 3 - Werewolf
Eolin - Driven by Terror to Suicide Night 3 - Ordo

The Werewolves have been defeated.

[Isabellkya]

Werewolves defeated, yet the game is not over? Hmm.

The Wailer must be an OMT sort of role, since they seem to have driven Eolin to their death.

I am not sure there is really much to say. Rikae seems to be innocent enough, as she led us to execute Brinniel, yet I have a slight nag in the back of my head that says it might be too easy.

++ Kath

[Kath]

My only response to Izzie voting me is to vote for her. I believe that Rikae is what she says she is, she was absolutely right about Brinniel and the fact that she and Sauce were not on the same side. Izzie has flown under my radar, mostly because I was concentrating on my top three suspects, but my belief in the innocence of Rikae means she must be this wailer.

++ IZZIE

It's up to Rikae now. I only hope her dreams helped her last Night.

[Rikae]

I dreamed of Eolin and Kath last night, and they were on the same side.

So that leaves us with:

++Isabellkya



We win!
*dances*

Shasta, can we have the final narration early by any chance? I can't wait for the post-game discussion!

[Isabellkya]

Actually you don't win, Kath

If what you say is true Rikae in that Kath and Eolin ARE on the same side. Then that leaves you as the Wailer/last baddie.

Might as well have it out on the table. Night 1 I dreamt of SPM and found nothing out of the ordinary about him. Night 2 I protected Eolin, and Night 3, well I was selfish and protected myself.

With that said, I am now inclined to believe Rikae to be the wailer.

The game is not over; and won't be over with me dead.

[Isabellkya]

Hmm, quite the head swimmer; and no one else seems to add anything else; because they seem so sure they have it figured out hmm.

If Rikae were evil, then why wouldn't she just jump on my voting of Kath and vote likewise. She could just kill me during the night, and viola victory for her. Unless of course she wanted to uphold her innocentish appearance, and not risk the chance of Kath voting differently.

I am inclined to believe that Rikae has a twisted evil role, as only baddies tend to want the day to end early.

-- Kath

++ Rikae

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Day Four Execution - Game Over

The three women stood there. Isabellkya, Kath, and Rikae.

Rikae and Kath stood there, eyes unerringly staring at Isabellkya, who was looking a little pale. Mist began to generate around her form, billowing outward until she was a pair of glowing eyes in a smoky shroud. When the mist dissapated, Isabellkya was nowhere to be seen.

"The spirit of Ireland herself, and we've driven her away..." Kath whispered. "But then that means..." Eyes wide, she turned to look at Rikae.

Rikae had unbound her hair. It fell in shining black waves to her knees. She smiled at Kath. "Human child, let me sing you a song."

She opened her mouth, and suddenly the source of all the mournful wailing was revealed. Rikae's song tugged at the heartstrings with talons of sorrow, remorse, guilt, all negative emotions. Kath's eyes overflowed with tears, and she struggled to speak, but couldn't. She dashed into the forest, dripping tears down her face. A scream resonated; she didn't come out.

Rikae smiled to herself, and crossed the moors into the distance.

Game Over

Rikae, the Banshee, takes first place.
The Innocents (Meneltarmacil, Durelin, Kath, Espiem, Thinlomien, Eolin) take second.
Isabellkya, the Spirit of Ireland, takes third.
The Werewolves (Nogrod, Brinniel) take fourth.

Good game, all.

[Kath]

You know what, I don't even mind that we Innocents lost in the end, 'cause that was such a fun game! All those secret roles appearing one by one and the endless speculation over how many wolves there were. :D Plus, it was short in terms of the number of posts and that was nice, meant a lot less catching up!

Shasta, I loved your narrations. The deaths were great and the lynchings were just brilliant! Very nicely done.

Izzie - why oh why didn't you reveal exactly what you were! Revelations so utterly confuse me that you might actually have swayed my vote if you'd done so. But never mind, you did a marvellous job of staying under the radar.

Rikae - well, I've already told you on LJ that you had me completely fooled but I'll repeat it because coming out as the Weaver really was a stroke of genius. I can't believe no one refuted it, but then we did kill off Noggie early and he is our resident 'find the other way of looking at every single thing' guy.

Speaking of Noggie, and Brinniel - haha. :p Sorry, but I'm just so happy that I have finally pegged not one wolf but two! Yes, blowing my own trumpet but I can hardly do it in the real world because everyone will look at me strangely. At least on here I can't SEE you rolling your eyes at me. :D

Everyone else was great too, I can't tell you how much fun I had playing with you all and I'm so looking forward to the next game now!

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Congratulations to Rikae and Shasta, and well done to everyone else for making this a fun game.

Ask Cailín: I kept saying "But what if she is lying?" But Rikae played it well. Because chances were that she was telling the truth, we thought it might be somewhat outlandish to assume that she was lying.

I for one did not especially enjoy the setup of the game, the way that the roles were hidden and unexplained. Also, the way the banshee chose her victim nights before the actual event: this might be an interesting idea, but only if the players were told about it beforehand.

Special thanks to Cailín for providing that old Irish poetry and literature. I found it very hilarious. :D

[Nogrod]

This was probably the first game ever I was disappointed when I got to know I was a wolf... :rolleyes:

For I had decided that I would do my best to encourage people to post more and to get others more involved with both my points and by exemplifying it with my own posting... I knew I took a risk then when I realised I was a wolf but still decided to go on. You Eomer and Caílin had keen eyes there and I do appreciate your thinking skills - even if what you thought was not exactly what I was doing in the first place. You still brought me back to believe once again that figuring things out can be succesfull - how wrong the initial suppositions might be.

The problem for me was that I would probably had acted the same way had I been an innocent. Only in that case I could have told you afterwards "what I told you!".

I mean the easiest way to be a baddie is to be a "natural self" and that I was for the most of the time.

Yes, I was a bit disappointed, not the least when I read the actions leading to my death afterwards which were mostly due to the non-voting of such a many people (some of the non-voters might have voted for me as well, sure, I'm not denying that possibility: but if I could have stayed awake later to make more points & if more people would have been around to vote... well, one can always say if...)

It was a pity we never had a chance to plot with even a one post with Brinniel. It would have been nice. Sadly we started with a Day-phase and that was it. No contact whatsoever. Your stand-alone fight was impressive Brinn!

Congrats to Shasta for a game well constructed and succesfully ran! Unlike Eomer I do like the suspension with the roles even if I tend to agree that a role so different that leads to death only after a turn or two should be mentioned beforehand.

Congrats and thanks to both Caílin and Eomer for playing with us in your amusing way. It's a pleasure to play with you guys - even if you pick me up...

Thanks to Sauce for being the entertaining player you are - and to Lommy as well.

And I have to bow to Rikae even if I just now don't feel the urgency of it. I mean you've been the one who has called for open play game after game but somehow I think your victory was now based more on being silent and acting only on strategic moments than on open play. That's a perfectly justified tactics but... I'll be continuing my aimless and resultless crusade for the open play notwithstanding.

And yes Kath, I'll raise my hat to you as well. So much as you tried to thwart the open reasons for voting me on Day1 - I mean I was quite sure you were the independent baddie alongside myself & Brinn which I just thought there had to be - you were right in the end even if you didn't dare to state your reasons... One makes it right every now and then. :D

And kudos to Izzy for seeing that Kath never made her reasons open! Well picked!

[Kath]

you were right in the end even if you didn't dare to state your reasons
Because I didn't know how to state them. I just knew you were evil, and it was the same with Brinn. Unfortunately it was the same with Sauce so whatever was giving me these definite feelings was a little off, but how can you explain to others what you can't explain to yourself?

[Nogrod]

how can you explain to others what you can't explain to yourself?That's the challenging part... :D

Yeah, I do understand.

[Thinlómien]

Nogrod, I insist that you put the title "Fenris Wolf" to your siggie. Now. :p

[Nogrod]

Nogrod, I insist that you put the title "Fenris Wolf" to your siggie.Well, I did it.

But hadn't the term "Fenris wolf" in the earlier times the meaning that s/he was a wolf whose mates practically lynched her/him or at least helped to do it on Day1?

I mean in that case I'm not one but I've sure helped to generate Fenris Wolves a few times....

Well, who cares?

Just being a wolf and getting lynched on Day1 doesn't sound like worth of a mention. Getting nailed down by your mates in crime sounds a lot more like a tale to be told... :D

[Kath]

For as long as I recall the term 'Fenris wolf' simply refers to a wolf that was lax enough or unlucky enough to get caught first day.

[Nogrod]

For as long as I recall the term 'Fenris wolf' simply refers to a wolf that was lax enough or unlucky enough to get caught first day.I quess you know it better than me.

Nice to choose between lax and unlucky!

And how easy it is to cheat oneself with this kind of things! :D

So let's all join Gil's game and make some new Fenrises...

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Was my Saeros role good or evil? Cause I got lynched the first day... XD

[Thinlómien]

Kath's right about Fenris wolves and well done Noggie for adding that. :D