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Nefwathiel Teleri
03-02-2002, 09:01 PM
Why doesnt tolkien talk about the lands beyond the eastern border of mordor? smilies/confused.gif "...and to the west I go not." - gandalf the grey.

Dior
03-20-2002, 09:40 AM
Try getting the Atlas of Middle Earth. It shows the geography of it, but doesn't say much else about it. I know that after the War of Wrath though, the swarthy Easterlings who fought with Morgoth went back to the sea of Rhun and became kings of the people there.

Dior
03-20-2002, 09:41 AM
oh, and your quote's wrong. Gandalf doesn't go to the EAST, not the west.

Mhoram
03-20-2002, 09:49 AM
The elves awoke in the east, beyond the sea of Ruhn.

Airetalathwen
03-20-2002, 10:24 AM
Aren't there like wild men/outlanders in the East?

~Airetalathwen

Dior
03-22-2002, 11:00 PM
There was no sea of Rhun when the elves were born. It was beyond the Inland sea of Helcar.

inglorion
03-23-2002, 11:11 AM
I donīt know about Seas and Kings in the East but I do know this, itīs an fragment of the diary of Sauron:
'Perhaps I will rent a room in the "Blue Istari" which is rumoured to be the best night-club left east of Moria. May they blast Lugburz to splinters. The better for it, then she may think I am gone for good and would not seek me.'
So there is a very good night-club in the East, thatīs all there is to tell about it smilies/wink.gif
Btw if you want to read more in Sauronīs diary go to http://people.wiesbaden.netsurf.de/~lalaith/Tolkien/Diary.html
Itīs really good,
Greetings, gildor

Thinhyandoiel
03-24-2002, 01:13 AM
I've always wondered about the east, too. In all the maps I've seen, it's just desolate emptiness. Must look into that Atlas thing. But yes, the Elves awoke in the east, and some of the Teleri remained. My memory of the Silmarillion is vague in some parts. Must read that book again. But I can't remember, not all the Elves travelled west, so wouldn't some be still left in the east where they were born?

Dior
03-27-2002, 08:34 PM
I think that after the rise of Sauron most of the Avari(dark elves) left the east, because it came under his dominion.