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[Nogrod]

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The game starts with Night1: wed 28.11. 9PM GMT

Confirmed players (19):

Thinlómien - Lommy Baggins
Legate of Amon Lanc - Legate Sackville-Baggins
Aganzir - Agan Sackville-Baggins
Meneltarmacil - Lupo Furryface
Volo - Justy Proudfoot
Macalaure - Mac Sandyman
The Might - Might of Greenholm
Mormegil - Mormegil Harrybelly
Feanor of the Peredhil - Belladonna Briarpatch
Brinniel - Brinn Burrows
Satansaloser2005 - Sally Shortbrush
Farael - Farael Twofoot
A Little Green - Lilla Greenhand
Nerwen - Nerwen Hornblower
Valier - Vallen FurryFoot
Kath - Kath Woodyend
Rikae - Rikae Took
Shastanis Althreduin - Shasta of the River
Kuruharan - Kuru Shrewthwacker

Let's start the discussion then.

What I have in mind is a classical game ergo a village of about 15 players with three werewolves and three gifteds (a seer, a ranger, a hunter). I'm also ready to make it even more simple by leaving the gifteds - or some of them - out from the game. This should be discussed. I have myself played at least once in a game where there were only the villagers and the wolves and it was pretty tense as well as entertaining. Surely that kind of game requires a lot of concentration from the villagers as they can't rely on the gifteds to aid them.

If I'm going to write the narrations on time the deadline needs to be something late PM GMT (my evening / I'm in +2 GMT) for then I'm most likely home and can take the time. I propose 9PM GMT but will settle to something in between 6-10 PM GMT if there clearly are advantages for some people that way.

I have no special time constraints in the near horizon so I'm ready to start as soon as we have enough people in.

Having a classical game will also mean that there are no retractable votes. If there are around 15 players or more I will allow double lynches but not with a small village.

This will not be an RPG-game. Still I would ask you to come up with at least a hobbit surname for narrational purposes - you may also give an occupation but that's by no means required. It's up to you then whether you'd like to use those things in the Day1 banter as aids to getting started.

The game's events take place ten years after the scouring of the Shire (vol.1 aka. the arrival of the Travellers in the LotR) so you may use any hobbit names; those from the actual book or ones you invent yourself. In case you wish you may also use the name of someone of the more renowned hobbits if they still lived in the Shire 10 years from the original scouring (no Frodo, sorry guys).

The game thread with the introductory narration will be available pretty soon... A full list of rules will be posted to the beginning of the game thread as well.

[Thinlómien]

Yay for a classical game with no retractions. :D

I already said this on the phone, but sign me in. :) Lommy is surely a passable Hobbit name (or should it be Lommie?), I will just have to come up with a proper last name...

The deadline seems perfect.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Welcome back home, Noggins! Obviously you are You have to tell us if you experienced something interesting in there. Well, it would have to be Downs-wise or at least Tolkien-wise, probably, like... meeting the Corsairs of Caribbean :D (and driving them away with the Army of Dead... now it got me thinking... isn't it a little strange? Pirates and an army of dead together... is it just me or is it another proof that all the post-LotR epic fantasy-flavoured stories just steal their plots from Professor's works?)

Anyway, where was I. Noggins, Werewolf, ah! That was it. I had some reasons to not join the next game (what would you guess - time), but if it's supposed to be classic, and mainly if the last game's new players decide to play as well (and it seems they do), I am not going to ruin the party. And especially, when there's (post-)Scouring involved. Hooray!:cool:

[Aganzir]

I think it's time for me to play again, the break's been too long. 9pm gmt is fine with me, but not with my father (in whose room my computer is), I'm afraid. So it may be that I won't be able to be around until deadline every day, but I guess I'll manage with it.

Agan Sackville-Baggins, doesn't that sound quite hobbitish?

edit: Noggie, shouldn't you add an X in the title? :)

[Nogrod]

Noggie, shouldn't you add an X in the title? :)Oh my! Thank's for pointing that out Aganzir!

I really didn't manage to change the name of the threads even if I managed to change the title in the actual threads... I'll ask Esty or Morm to help with it if no one comes with a "patent-solution" to it.

I'll be adding a list of players in the end of my first post so that it's easy to find at anytime.

[Volo]

Sauron the Voldemort? :D

I'll probably join this game, but please don't add me to the list yet.
If I do join, I'll try changing my playing style a lot - just informing so that you don't feel like lynching me because I sound less cobbler than usual.

[Meneltarmacil]

OK, I'm playing. Of course, I'll probably get lynched on Day 1 as usual, and if I don't, the wolves will just eat me the next Night, but whatever.

Heh, maybe I'll play as "suspicious guy with a rather wolfish appearance," or in this case, Lupo Furryface for the name.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Don't worry, Volo. Though I believe the last time you announced such a thing, you got lynched immediately.

It is very bad with the last name, actually. I would probably have to cut "Amon Lanc", and make me "Legate something", but what should this "something" be? "Legate of Sackville-Baggins" would sound nice and sinister enough, but as it is already taken, I have to take something better. "Legate Gamgee" or "Legate Brandybuck" sound all too silly, maybe "Legate Smallburrow" sounds good enough :D Hmm, yes, you could put it up there unless I think of anything better.

[Nogrod]

"Legate of Sackville-Baggins" would sound nice and sinister enough, but as it is already taken, I have to take something better. Well no rule says you can't be married to Agan Sackville-Baggins... or maybe be her cousin or brother or whatever. :D

If you come up with this kind of affiliations together please let me know. They could be used in the narrations as well as to provide you some nice Day1 stuff.

[Volo]

Don't worry, Volo. Though I believe the last time you announced such a thing, you got lynched immediately.
I didn't actually, I lived to the very last day. ;)

Not a very good start to keeping the promise of changing style, oh well :rolleyes::
I'm playing Justy Proudfoot. ( :S Nothing to with Subaru or anything else)

[satansaloser2005]

As I said on the other thread I am certainly up for another game. Although....the week after next is finals week and after the semester is over I am without reliable internet for about two to three weeks. So maybe put me up with a question mark for now? I'll certainly be watching the game though even if I'm not in it. Sounds intriguing :)

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Well no rule says you can't be married to Agan Sackville-Baggins... or maybe be her cousin or brother or whatever. :D

If you come up with this kind of affiliations together please let me know. They could be used in the narrations as well as to provide you some nice Day1 stuff.

Yes, I didn't think of that. After all, we are all hobbits... yes, I could go with Sackville-Baggins, if Agan does not have any problem with that.

But maybe the cousin or brother would be better. After the experience in the last game, the husband does not sound as a very good idea... (and even if not, it could become total madness. At least, Nog, you would really need to state that there are NO LOVERS in the game).

But it's still open. If it were to be fun (and only fun. Do we have double-lynches, Nog?:rolleyes:), I could be persuaded to take it. What do you say, Aganzir?

[Macalaure]

Ah! A simple game....

Count me in, please. I think I will go as Mac Sandyman.

I also find the idea of a village without gifteds interesting, for the exact reason you stated: The ordos can't just wait and have the gifteds win the game for them. It's more challenging to the innocents in a very intriguing, yet simple, way.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

I didn't actually, I lived to the very last day. ;)

Oh, sorry. Yes, it wasn't you. I mistook you with Meneltarmacil :p :D

[Nogrod]

I also find the idea of a village without gifteds interesting, for the exact reason you stated: The ordos can't just wait and have the gifteds win the game for them. It's more challenging to the innocents in a very intriguing, yet simple, way.What do you others say? I myself liked that kind of game but this depends on your opinion. I'm ready to go either way.

At least, Nog, you would really need to state that there are NO LOVERS in the gameThere are NO LOVERS in this game - even if you decided to go on having a relationship with one another. That will be purely narrational / for bantering purposes...

[The Might]

I'll take Might of Greenholm, after my ancestor Fastred, the only Hobbit with a truly cool name.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

What do you others say? I myself liked that kind of game but this depends on your opinion. I'm ready to go either way.
I agree with Mac. It may be interesting and more discussion-supporting, and also one feels safer, knowing that he is not lynching a Seer :p Though I'd understand if those who are new around here wanted to have the roles that were in the last game.

There are NO LOVERS in this game - even if you decided to go on having a relationship with one another. That will be purely narrational / for bantering purposes...
Thanks, Nog! Now I feel relieved. :)

[Kitanna]

I'm interested, but my involvement in a WW game would depend heavily on when it's going to start. For now put me down as a maybe. Hopefully I will be able to.

[mormegil]

I'm in...Mormegil Harrybelly. I was going to use furrybelly but I notice Menel already used furry.

[Nogrod]

Nice to see you Morm - and thanks for changing the names of the threads.

I sent PM's to some of the "oldies". This far Boro has regretted that he has too much going on right now but hopefully some others will find the time - like you Kitanna. It would be good to see the "two schools" meet!

And it's not only that it would be nice to see people meeting new players (old players meeting newer ones and vice versa) but I think also that many people would learn a thing or two from each other while playing with new faces... and have unexpected fun!

And fun surely is the thing we keep playing this for.

[Nerwen]

Put me down with yet another question mark. I'd love to play, but I'm not sure yet if I'll have time.

[Nogrod]

I'd love to play, but I'm not sure yet if I'll have time.I'd love to see you having the time! You were just plain brilliant in the last one... *thumbs up*

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Not even I can turn down a golden invitation.

I think I'd like Briarpatch as my surname. As in, "Please don't throw me in the briar patch!"

[Nogrod]

Not even I can turn down a golden invitation.
I think I'd like Briarpatch as my surname. As in, "Please don't throw me in the briar patch!":D So good to see you Fea! And my dream of getting the new and the old school together is getting real with at least you and Morm around - and Lommy could be counted as well like Kitanna if she gets in. Let's just see for more enrollments... and that is not to say the newbies should not get in with this either. On the contrary. It's looking good indeed and the more varied bunch of people we have the better!

And the forename Feanor goes well as you can be one of the children of the golden year of 1420! If Sam gave the name Elanor to his child why not others couldn't have given an elvish name to their children that year as well?

And would it be nice to play a 10-year old... :cool:

If you have disagreement with my interpretation please tell me.

[mormegil]

Perhaps you should check with Kuruharan. I'm not sure how often he is around lately but he was always a great player. I'm sure SpM is busy as I haven't seen him in ages. Have you tried the Phantom?

[Nogrod]

I've sent a PM to Spm and tp (I know Spm has not been around of late and tp made it clear he had some requirements before he was ready to set himself into a game not talking about the RL hindrances - as he's one I do admire for his involvement which takes time). But your idea of Kuru is worth paying heed to. I'll send him a PM as well.

Anyhow this is looking quite promising and I think we have no shortage of players this time. Well, I hope so at least. Let's see who will take the bait.

[Brinniel]

After playing a balrog during a week of all-nighters, all should know that no amount of schoolwork will stop me from joining a WW game. :p

You can call me Brinn Burrows. I'm excited at the prospect of the old and new coming together. And even more pleased with the rapid sign-up rate. :)

[Farael]

MWHAHAHAHAHAHA

So I get invited to play Werewolf once again.... hmm.... and I believe the time is right.

Let the fun begin! ;)

Oh yeah... when are we starting?

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

If you have disagreement with my interpretation please tell me.

Interpret how you like, dear, though I haven't been ten in quite some time...

Though I wouldn't mind being a Belladonna for a time... The connotations amuse me, as does the alliteration.

[satansaloser2005]

Heck, with this rate of sign up I'm in for sure. Besides I just can't stay away.

Ummmm Sally Shortbrush is the best name I can come up with right now. I'm exhausted even though I slept a bunch over the weekend. Hopefully I can cook up something better before the game starts (welcome to suggestions)



Anyway I'm off to do something more constructive than werewolf planning, alas. Can't wait for the game to start :)

[Thinlómien]

Agan Sackville-Baggins, doesn't that sound quite hobbitish?
"Legate of Sackville-Baggins" would sound nice and sinister enough
I think I will go as Mac Sandyman.
It seems we have to have all the unpleasant folk with us... ;)

Maybe I should be a proper Baggins then, distant relation to Frodo and Bilbo. Yes, I quite like the sound of Lommy Baggins. :) A pity I can't probably have horrible grudges against Agan and Legate, because it's explicitly stated the grudges ended when Lobelia died...

[A Little Green]

Sign me in for my very first WW game. :)

What comes to the hobbit name, I think I'll go as Lilla Greenhand. (Swedish exam tomorrow...)

[Thinlómien]

Heja Sverige, En Liten Grön! :p

Now this looks like a proper pace of ww sign up... :smokin: Cheers!

[Nerwen]

Okay, count me in: Nerwen Hornblower.

[Aganzir]

Legate: No problem. Choose whichever you wish. And if you liked me to be your mother, that would do as well. :D

It would be interesting to have a game without any gifteds, or at least fewer than usually. What about leaving Hunter out?

[Nerwen]

It seems we have to have all the unpleasant folk with us... ;)

Maybe I should be a proper Baggins then, distant relation to Frodo and Bilbo. Yes, I quite like the sound of Lommy Baggins. :) A pity I can't probably have horrible grudges against Agan and Legate, because it's explicitly stated the grudges ended when Lobelia died...

But look at the scenario. If the evil of Sauron and Saruman is still around, why not the old family grudges?;)

[Azaelia of Willowbottom]

Add me on as a maybe. It depends on when the game will start. I'll be working on a show for the next two weeks or so (counting this one), so I'm going to be pretty busy. It's not fair to anyone else if I can't really commit. I was just wondering what starting date you had in mind, Nogrod.

I haven't played WW in so long, and this game sounds like a great idea, so I hope it works out.

[Nogrod]

Now this looks like a proper pace of ww sign up... :smokin: Cheers!Agreed! This is looking good indeed!

We have now 14 players in. This means that we could start pretty soon indeed.

I'll suggest that as the deadline comes within a five hours toDay we should start the game tomorrow at the deadline (9PM GMT if no one strongly calls for a change). That would mean that there is now effectively 29 hours until the start of the game. That would also mean that all those people who will sign themselves in within 24 hours + will get in the game.

I could start straight away with the Day1 but if you think it better to give the wolves some time to exchange a few PM's before it's okay as well (and thence we'd start with a Nightphase).

The question about gifteds: some of you have said they'd like to play without gifteds and others that we could take some / one of them out. What say you others?


To make it clear:

Deadline to signing in: we 28.11. 7PM GMT
(to allow me time to deal the roles and send them to everyone).

Starting of the game / Day1: thu 29.11. 9PM GMT
(with either the Day- or Nightphase, according to your view of it).

[Valier]

alright, alright my arm has been twisted. I'll play. I may not be around most days at the deadline seeing as it is 3pm I believe for me. I will however make sure I vote, so if my vote post is a little abrupt, it is because I am on my way to work.
I like having 3 gifted, but if others want less, I'm cool with that too.
I shall be Vallen FurryFoot, the local shoe maker, (I don't make much money as you could well assume...):p

[mormegil]

You should, at a minimum, have a seer. The first game ever played had only 3 wolves and one seer.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

You should, at a minimum, have a seer. The first game ever played had only 3 wolves and one seer.

And it was mad fun. Remember how Kuruwolf convinced the village I was the one in need of a lynching?

It was amazing...

So yeah. I'm up for just a seer. I really don't care about the other roles.

[Thinlómien]

I agree we need a seer and don't need a hunter. Ranger is nice, but not necessary. And Valier's playing? I pray don't make me a wolf and her and her gut-feelings innocent... :eek: :D ;)

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

A pity I can't probably have horrible grudges against Agan and Legate, because it's explicitly stated the grudges ended when Lobelia died...
Don't worry, if you really want to, we can reestablish the old family grudges. (*takes out a paper and after the last note writes a new one: "Must lynch Lommy."* ;) )

Legate: No problem. Choose whichever you wish. And if you liked me to be your mother, that would do as well. :D
*shrugs* I will think yet a little bit. But you did not help me. I hoped you to solve that :) Give the rising numbers of players, maybe it's not even adviseable to create even more confusion.

I could start straight away with the Day1 but if you think it better to give the wolves some time to exchange a few PM's before it's okay as well (and thence we'd start with a Nightphase).
I would be for a Nightphase. Mainly because some totally new players and totally old players may end up together as Wolves and it would be good for them to at least get acquainted before the game begins. But whatever - maybe if they are thrown right into the action, it will be more spontaneous and interesting.

You should, at a minimum, have a seer. The first game ever played had only 3 wolves and one seer.
Given the numbers, maybe one Seer would do good, but, is it really necessary? Someone spoke here about greater activity of the players... and with no Gifteds around, the game would be a little less confusing. Hopefully.

[Aganzir]

*shrugs* I will think yet a little bit. But you did not help me. I hoped you to solve that :)
Do you mean I should have asked "will you marry me"? :p

I'm also for starting with Night phase, but I think it will work either way. In Spm's game there were three or so newbie wolves and we didn't have a chance to discuss before the game, but it wasn't that bad.

[Kath]

Am I too late or can I join?

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Do you mean I should have asked "will you marry me"? :p

No, I hoped you to say "No" (or eventually, "Yes"). But I see Kath is here, so I should be quick or be dead. I guess I have to take the responsibility on myself. Okay, I say: yes, let's be married. I hope it's going to be fun and not make too much trouble in the game itself. We can always blame Noggins :p

[Nogrod]

Am I too late or can I join?You're most welcome Kath. The signing-in ends in 21 hours...

And Valier as well! Nice to see you! And well, all of you guys! This is looking quite wonderful.

So let's start with the Night-phase then, tomorrow at 9PM GMT.

I'd like to hear more voices about the gifteds.

In a way I'd like to follow the first ever game with the wolves and the seer only.

On the other hand I have always liked the ranger as her/his presence makes the wolves a bit more careful during the Nights.

Then again we now seem to have 16 players which is enough to consider adding a fourth wolf into the pack. If we still get one or two more before the signing in closes I will definitively add a fourth wolf - and then we might consider also having the full list of gifteds (seer, ranger, hunter) along.

But what do you think?


Also, to keep this game handlable I'd say we'll draw a maximum line of players at this stage which I think could be 18.

So no more signings after tomorrow 7PM GMT or there are 18 players. I guess that should be ok. for everyone?

[Rikae]

If there's still room, sign me up! I don't think I have ever experienced a completely classic game...
oh, and I'll go as Rikae Took. What else? :D

[Nogrod]

I'll go as Rikae Took. What else? :DWelcome Rikae!

And what else... well there are a few questions we should talk before the game begins and I'd be happy to hear comments from all of you.

Most importantly about the number of gifteds and the wolves...

With 17 people on board right now (and possibly 18 in the end) I'd be inclined to have four wolves and at least a seer and a ranger. But your words will count until the start of Night1

With this sized village I have already decided to allow multiple lynchings.

I'm sending preliminary rules into the game thread in a moment. I'll leave a few things open at this stage though.

[Brinniel]

Well, looking at the large size of the game, I think it'd only be fair to the villagers to have a seer and ranger (especially if there are four wolves).

A hunter is possible as well, but I'd be quite okay if we went without one.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Or without some ranger or whatever, but with only three wolves. I would like that variant more (someone spoke about "classic" here and I hoped for a "lighter" game), but if you want seers and rangers and hunters and four wolves, whatever.

Personally, I would be for avoiding at least the hunter. Second (less important) thing in the order is that I would like to avoid four wolves. Third, I would like to try to make it even without the Ranger. The last is with a really big questionmark given our numbers. But I'm only saying that because you asked, Nog.

[Nogrod]

Okay.

Let's make it this way.

We will probably have 18 players (but it can be 17 as well).

Here are my suggestions:

1. 4 wolves & 3 gifteds (seer, ranger, hunter)

2. 3 wolves & the seer

3. 3 wolves & the ranger

4. 3 wolves - no gifteds

Which one would you prefer or do you have better ideas?

The reasoning for the above choices:
1. The higher number of wolves is balanced by having all the gifteds in (and the hunter would be the so called logical one ie. s/he wouldn't kill an innocent during a Night if attacked but only a wolf - if hunting one).

2. Big village but only three wolves so only one gifted ie. the seer.

3. Big village but only three wolves so only one gifted ie. the ranger.

4. Big village and a challenge for the villagers with no help balanced by there being "only" three wolves.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

I'd like to sign up, if it's not too late.... =x

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Only to apply what I said on these options you posted, I am for No.2., eventually No.4. if there is really interest in a no-gifted game. I am strongly against No.1.

Good night :)

[Shastanis Althreduin]

I kind of like the idea of number 1. That might just be the fact that I've never been a gifted, though. =P

[Nogrod]

I have one more proposition... :rolleyes:

I received a PM from Kuru who said he would be away on the weekend with no net acces (meaning he would miss Day2) but would like to play. It would be so nice to see him on a game for such a long time that I will offer him a place as the 19th player.

That will definitively give us 4 wolves - if he comes along that is.

That in turn would only leave us the decision whether we take along all the three basic gifteds or should we try with only a seer and a ranger - or with only one of them?

PS. Welcome Shasta, please give us your hobbit surname...

[Brinniel]

My input (again):

If there are three wolves, then we only need a seer.

If there are four wolves, then we should have a seer and a ranger.

Either way, no hunter is necessary.

A no-gifted game would be interesting, but I think it'd only work in a smaller group...

[mormegil]

Even with 19 I still recommend 3 wolves and only the seer. I'm not sure if my input is valid but take it for what it is worth. I think it still provides a balances and fun game.

[Nogrod]

Even with 19 I still recommend 3 wolves and only the seer.I'm just a little afraid on behalf of the wolves... If they're just three and the village has 16 innocents including a seer it will be really hard time for them and the odds will be very unfavourable.

The basic / classical ratio I think is 3 wolves for 15 players + the possible gifteds.

If we have 19 players it would then call for four wolves - as would 18.

To keep it simple as possible I'd be ready to go for 4 wolves and 2 gifteds (seer and ranger). That's then the classical ratio with a slight edge to the wolves (19/4 and not 20/4 - compare to 15/3). But if we were ready to play a game with no gifteds or just with one then adding another gifted might balance the minuscule edge the wolves have.

Well, we have time to settle this before Night1 begins... and I'm open to follow the majority of you players here as it is you who play the game... :)

So let's hear from you!

[Valier]

And Valier's playing? I pray don't make me a wolf and her and her gut-feelings innocent...
Ya I'm playing...I couldn't resist another one, seeing as it doesn't look like my work load will lessen any time soon, I figured why not. And I agree Lommy, lets pray together on that one..LOL I'm a little rusty so don't get your hopes up on my strange sixth sense.:p

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Hobbit surname, hobbit surname.... Hmm.

Shasta of the River.

[Farael]

Even with 19 I still recommend 3 wolves and only the seer. I'm not sure if my input is valid but take it for what it is worth. I think it still provides a balances and fun game.

Of course Master Mormegil that your suggestion is not quite valid, for you are a wolf!

Wait, we haven't started yet, have we?

Well, then I'll choose a surname. I shall be...

Farael Twofoot

Edit:

Almost forgot to mention....
Valier! I'm glad to see you are still around... and don't worry, that sixth sense will still be there... just listen to the farce. Force I mean!! ;)

[Macalaure]

1. 4 wolves & 3 gifteds (seer, ranger, hunter)

2. 3 wolves & the seer

3. 3 wolves & the ranger

4. 3 wolves - no gifteds

I would vote for option 4. I like the idea that the catching of the wolves will be down solely to smart ordo guesswork. But of course, this would make a less classical game, so I'm fine with option 2, too, though in a village of 19 I think it would justify a fourth wolf. I'm also fine with an added ranger, but could do without a hunter.

[Thinlómien]

I think the fairest game would either be 4 wolves and full range of gifteds (#1) or 3 wolves and no gifteds at all (#4). I think #2 and #3 are a bit unfair to the wolves.

[satansaloser2005]

I agree. If we only have three balrogs I think it is a ripoff for them if we add gifteds into the mix. However, if we have four balrogs we could certainly benefit from the gifteds without being unfair to the balroggies.

I prefer option #1 myself, just because it offers more opportunities for intrigue (aka fun new roles to check out)


Hunter however, is no big deal to me. Whatever you other players prefer is good enough for me, as I've never played a game with a hunter anyway.

[Thinlómien]

I agree. If we only have three balrogs I think it is a ripoff for them if we add gifteds into the mix. However, if we have four balrogs we could certainly benefit from the gifteds without being unfair to the balroggies.

I prefer option #1 myself, just because it offers more opportunities for intrigue (aka fun new roles to check out)


Hunter however, is no big deal to me. Whatever you other players prefer is good enough for me, as I've never played a game with a hunter anyway.Balrogs in the Shire? :eek: Let's hope not - I believe these are just ordinary werewolves... :)

(And there was a hunter in my game so you've definitely played with one. ;))


And -
Rikae Took? Great! At least one respectable Hobbit around, then... (among you others, that is - I'm of course respectable)

[satansaloser2005]

Yeah sorry it's 430am here so I'm not totally with it. I meant I've never been one in the few games I've even played with one, so I can live without it. *head droops* What mother? Candy mountain, Charlie? Balrogs, Charlie? Oh good, just regular werewolves. *mumbles sleepily*

[satansaloser2005]

Oh and yay now I can make my "you look hairy" quips and they'll actually be sensical ;)

[Nogrod]

This far it looks like we have 6 "votes" for at least a seer to be included and 3-4 for no gifteds at all (depending on how one interprets a few comments back there).

If we would have had 15 players it would have been easy: three wolves and a seer. A nice classic indeed.

But we have 18 players now - and if Kuru joins we have 19. And that makes a difference for playing 3 against 16 will be really hard and against all odds unlike playing 3 against 12.

4/15 is almost the same ratio as 3/12 and with classical game there would the seer and no other gifteds. If Kuru doesn't come it would be 4/14 and thus the villagers might gain a ranger to balance the ratio.

So what I think now basing on the discussion and after rethinking this myself I'd suggest the following choices, the first one being my slight favourite at this point:

With four wolves we should have a seer or seer and a ranger. That I think sounds like pretty classical ratio (around 1/3 have roles, wolves vs. villagers about 1/4) and quite balanced with these numbers. I'm quite happy to leave the hunter out as so many have voiced their opinion against the hunter (and hunter is a bit less classic role than seer and ranger anyway).

If there are any gifteds in a game with only three wolves the wolves will be the underdogs. :p So with only three wolves I'd say no gifteds. But even then I still think the wolves will have hard times managing through the game - just look at the numbers.

8½ hours to decide so I'm waiting for your comments...

[Volo]

I vote for 4 wolves, a seer and a ranger. And for a Night to start with.

[Aganzir]

++ 4 wolves & seer

I think that'll do.

[Thinlómien]

++four wolves and no opinion on whether ther should be a ranger to help the seer

[Kitanna]

As much as I'd like to join in the fun of another WW game, it is too close to final exams time to be playing. Good luck to all of you who have decided to play.

[Kuruharan]

Remember how Kuruwolf convinced the village I was the one in need of a lynching?

You *were* in need of a lynching. ;-)

As for my playing this time...

I guess I'll leave it up to everyone else. I'm not sure its entirely fair to anybody that I'll be going into it knowing that I'll be missing a Day.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

If the circumstances are so, I say

++three wolves and no gifteds

And if the other option (four wolves) is chosen by majority, then count my vote as one for having both the Ranger and Seer.

[Nogrod]

As for my playing this time...

I guess I'll leave it up to everyone else. I'm not sure its entirely fair to anybody that I'll be going into it knowing that I'll be missing a Day.I'd say you should play.

Firstly it would be nice to have you around from a long time.

Secondly it's not that unusual that someone has to skip one Day. It becomes a problem if someone has to be away longer than that. And with a village this big it's even a smaller deal.

Thirdly your joining in would stop our wawering between four or three wolves as with 19 it would be pretty clear.

That's my viewpoint. What do you others think?

[mormegil]

++Kuru

You should play!

Okay, when do we get started Noggie?

[Nogrod]

Okay, when do we get started Noggie?
Night1 starts at 9PM GMT today.

That is in 4½ hours...

[Kuruharan]

++Kuru

That's exactly what I expect to happen the moment I'm not here to defend myself.

For some reason I generate fear and paranoia...I have no idea why.

But I'll play.

EDIT: I'll be Kuru Shrewthwacker

[Farael]

Now, I don't want to be a pain, but am I the only one who thinks that adding an extra wolf is MUCH more of a disadvantage to the villagers than adding a couple extra villagers would be a disadvantage to the wolves?

Let's face it, it's darned hard to nail a wolf (Unless you are Farael who always knows ;) ) whereas having a couple more villagers does not make THAT big a difference. True, the wolves need to survive an extra day or two, but then they also have more people to hide among. The higher the amount of villagers, the less likely they'll stumble into a wolf by pure chance!!

Therefore, I vote for 3 wolves, no matter how many villagers we have... and as such, I'd only like to have a seer. The hunter is a bit of an 'unnecesary' role, and not having a ranger makes it all much more fun! ;)

Hope it's not too late to add my cent and a half.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Now, I don't want to be a pain, but am I the only one who thinks that adding an extra wolf is MUCH more of a disadvantage to the villagers than adding a couple extra villagers would be a disadvantage to the wolves?
That's what I was voting for *points up* I also believe so. But apparently, many people don't.

[Thinlómien]

If it was that difficult to nail a wolf, why would the villagers have won most of the games lately? I really wouldn't even mind if the wolves had a bit of an advantage this time, besides it forces the innocent to concentrate more and use their brains instead of treading the same old paths of thought....

[Nogrod]

You're no pain Farael. Indeed you are doing just the thing I had hoped people would hae done ie. coming forwards with ideas.
True, the wolves need to survive an extra day or two, but then they also have more people to hide among. The higher the amount of villagers, the less likely they'll stumble into a wolf by pure chance!!But the more there are wolves the easier it is to stumble into one by pure chance... :)

And who plays with pure chance? :D

[Nogrod]

But I'm kind of giving in a bit to the villagers and am bending towards putting the ranger in to help the seer. Thence the existence of the two gifteds will balance the fourth wolf.

Trust me. You are all good in playing this and the wolfspotting becomes easier Day by Day.

[Nogrod]

btw. Lommy and the Might you should switch into invisible mode at some time soon... you can be seen now on Who's online...

I'm dealing a few last cards and will then start PMing your roles. I'll pick one ranger to begin with but will PM that person as the last if between now and then there emerges a strong reaction against the ranger. Then I will just inform her/him that s/he's an ordo.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

EDIT: I'll be Kuru Shrewthwacker

Am I the Shrew?

[Thinlómien]

But surely there's no hurry as the deadline is 1,5 hours from now? I just love seeing the green dot in my posts. :D

[Volo]

If it was that difficult to nail a wolf, why would the villagers have won most of the games lately? I really wouldn't even mind if the wolves had a bit of an advantage this time, besides it forces the innocent to concentrate more and use their brains instead of treading the same old paths of thought....

But around summer I remember a trend of Wolves winning an annoying ammount of games in a row. ;)

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Er, yeah...

++ Four Wolves, Seer, Ranger

^ There's my vote. :)

[Nogrod]

Okay people, the roles have been sent and the game is about to start rolling. If someone has not received her/his role please PM me.

I'm going to update the Rules & Regulations in the game thread in a moment but here just to make clear the latest decisions.

- 4 wolves, a seer and a ranger.

- The seer has a dream already on Night1 - the wolves have no kill on Night1 (the moderator's blood will colour the grass as usual).

- Unlike in a few recent games the ranger can not defend her/himself which is the classical version of a ranger.

Night1 starts officially in an hour with a warm up narration but the wolves & the seer may feel free to get on with it right now if they wish.


Please check this thread every once in a while during the game as this is the place for announcements about absences etc.

Enjoy everyone!

[Meneltarmacil]

Oh dear, this isn't good.

I have a trip I'm going on that starts Friday and ends Sunday, which means that I'll be missing most of Day 1. However, if the start of the game were to be rescheduled to about an hour or two earlier, I would have enough time to post for a little bit. I can delay leaving if I need to, but I'd rather not.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Oh dear, this isn't good.

I have a trip I'm going on that starts Friday and ends Sunday, which means that I'll be missing most of Day 1. However, if the start of the game were to be rescheduled to about an hour or two earlier, I would have enough time to post for a little bit. I can delay leaving if I need to, but I'd rather not.

At least you'll solve your main problem: you don't get lynched on Day 1 :)

..maybe ;)

[Meneltarmacil]

Um, oops. It loooks like Night One has already begun, so I guess Day One is a full 24 hours earlier than I thought. Well, that's good for me.

Er, maybe not so good, considering what has been said...

[The Might]

Hmmm...so worried about going...probably a wolf. :D

[Nogrod]

Hmmm...so worried about going...probably a wolf. :DLet's not make these comments, please.

[The Might]

Sorry for this incovinience.
As the smiley behind that shows I meant it as a joke and not in any way as a serious comment.
I'll try avoiding making any comments about the game outside the main thread.

[Azaelia of Willowbottom]

Looks like I missed the boat on this one... Thanks for inviting me to play, Nogrod, and I'm very sorry I didn't get back to you sooner about my "maybe". I'll absolutely be on board for the next one. Have fun, all!

[Nogrod]

I do hope to see you soon Azaelia! This train just started rolling quite fast...


We, that is Greenie, Lommy & myself share the same computer today so I may be a minute late whistling the Day off - and I can only get into properly looking at the Day's events after that (I've read things over Lommy's & Greenie's shoulder only this far). So the narration may take a little time as I need to start it from scratch.

If it seems to take time more than half an hour I'll reveal the role of the dead before the narration...

[Farael]

Sorry folks, due to a timezone mishap (and a lab report that took longer than what I expected) I completely missed day one. I thought I had two hours, as it turns out I was an hour late xD

Just wanted to let y'all know that I haven't fallen off the face of the earth (yet).

[Meneltarmacil]

Due to an illness I've had to deal with, I wound up cancelling my planned trip over the weekend, so I'll be starting at the usual time today, assuming I'm still alive.

[Rikae]

Im sorry, everybody, but something's come up and I'm going to have to drop out of the game. My sincerest apologies to everyone, and I wish I could stay - I hope to play with you all again soon.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Im sorry, everybody, but something's come up and I'm going to have to drop out of the game. My sincerest apologies to everyone, and I wish I could stay - I hope to play with you all again soon.

Hope everything's okay, luv.

[Nogrod]

Im sorry, everybody, but something's come up and I'm going to have to drop out of the game.That's too sad indeed. I do hope as well it's nothing bad.

I hope to play with you all again soon.
See you soon!

[satansaloser2005]

Sorry to hear that Rikae. Hope everything's going okay dearie.

[Farael]

Im sorry, everybody, but something's come up and I'm going to have to drop out of the game. My sincerest apologies to everyone, and I wish I could stay - I hope to play with you all again soon.

Hey, I absolutely missed that... I hope everything is alright.

[Brinniel]

Sorry to see you go, Rikae. :( I echo everyone above me and hope everything's all right.

[Rikae]

Thanks everyone - don't worry, it's nothing bad.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Oh, Rikae, what a pity. But good that you say it is not anything bad. As everyone, hope to see you some other time in WW!

[The Might]

Sorry to hear that, hope to see you soon in WW!

[mormegil]

As a mod I feel I need to post this:

There has been a few posts which I have noticed contain unnecessary asterics. Please remember that this is a family friendly site. Words which can be easily understood despite the asterics or adding what it means when the asterics appear is not acceptable. I have not edited them, yet. I request that those who have done these posts please edit them on their own. If you have quoted those posts please try to clean it up as well.

Please follow these rules laid out for us. I thank you all.

[satansaloser2005]

As a mod I feel I need to post this:

There has been a few posts which I have noticed contain unnecessary asterics. Please remember that this is a family friendly site. Words which can be easily understood despite the asterics or adding what it means when the asterics appear is not acceptable. I have not edited them, yet. I request that those who have done these posts please edit them on their own. If you have quoted those posts please try to clean it up as well.

Please follow these rules laid out for us. I thank you all.



I may not be a child, nor do I have children, but I wholeheartedly agree. Thanks for posting that Morm, you read my mind. :)




Okay the actual reason for my post. My internet's acting up really bad the last couple days, so if I go quiet or if I can't post or vote please be patient, as I'll do the best I can. :)

[Nogrod]

An announcement.

Legate will act as a co-mod on Friday and will end the Night5 (eg. open the Day5).

So please wolves do PM your pick also to Legate of Amon Lanc on Night5 - so not toNight but the next.

[Thinlómien]

I and Aganzir will miss Day5 (if we're still alive, that is), because we are on our friend's summer :rolleyes: cottage for the whole weekend. Our friend might be kind enough to take her laptop there and allow us to pop in and vote, but in any case, you can expect only minimal participation of us...

[Nogrod]

I'm sharing the computer with Lommy today again so I can only read things over her shoulders at these last hours.

I'll try to end the Day in time and hope you will send your votes in time as well.

The narration will take a few minutes once again but I think it will be in half an hour - 40 minutes...

Sorry.

[Volo]

I just realized that I'll be away probably the whole Day5. :( Three players gone at this stage. Do you think it would be anyhow possible to move Day5 24 hours later?

[Nogrod]

Okay.

There are now 10 people in the game. After this Night there will be 9 of which three will be wolves.

We seem to have 3 people offline the Day5 - even if there's a possibility both Lommy and Aganzir may have a chance to at least skim the thread and vote and Volo says "probably".

So what say you others?

I'd say we just go on and take it as world bringing it down on us.

I wouldn't take on the topic otherwise but as we have a possible third of the village offline on Day5 I'm now ready to hear your calls.

To make it confidental I'd like to hear your views by PM - this far it has only been the would be "offliners" who have taken this up in the thread. DO NOT SPEAK YOUR MINDS HERE IN THE THREAD!

If there are 3 of you who are not away on Day5 and who wish to postpone the Day I will do it.

But you'd need to PM me before 15.30PM GMT as after that I will not be online myself (and Legate is supposed to start the Day).

So if there are 3 PM's in my inbox before 15.30 PM GMT which say let's postpone the Day5 I will do it and if not the Day will go on as usual.

Follow the thread...

~*~

Legate: I will inform you about the situation tomorrow!


PS: I'd like to get the no-votes as well...

[Nogrod]

You have an half an hour to vote for the postponement of Day5...

Just to inform you (and yes that's a bad deadline but I'm definitively offline after half an hour).

[Nogrod]

Day5 will be postponed with 24 hours.

Day5 will start at 9PM GMT on Saturday 8th of December.


Wolves take your time... ordinary Shirefolk concentrate. ;)

[Nogrod]

I promised Lommy to give you an announcement that Lommy and Aganzir will come back from their friend's cottage on Sunday afternoon GMT (+2) and will take part on Day5 only at the late hours.

Well... that obviously applies only to Aganzir now...