Arda Cup Soccer 2008- Phantasy- er, I Mean Fantasy Thread

[the phantom]

Okay, we almost have full rosters, so I figured I'd go ahead and lay down the rules for this.

You must select a total of 11 players. You must have a goalie, and then after that you can use any of these formations-

(DF-MF-FW)
5-4-1
4-5-1
3-6-1
4-4-2
4-3-3

The system for gaining points-

SCORING A GOAL
FW = 4 pts
MF = 5 pts
DF/G = 6 pts

SCORING AN ASSIST
FW/MF/DF/G = 3 pts

ALLOWING THE OPPENENT ZERO GOALS
DF/G = 4 pts
MF = 1 pts

ALLOWING THE OPPONENT ONE GOAL
DF/G = 2 pts

MAKING 3 SAVES
G = 1 pt

In addition to those normal methods of scoring fantasy points, there are bonus points available to everyone for making accurate predictions.

Please predict-
1) A winner for every group (each worth 2 pts)
2) A runner up for every group (each worth 1 pt)
Note: If you have the two reversed you will be awarded a point
3) The player who will score the most goals (worth 10 pts)
4) The player who will score the most assists (worth 10 pts)
5) The player who will score the most fantasy points (worth 10 pts)
6) The team that will win it all. (worth 10 pts)

In each round of the playoffs you can predict the winner of each match. For every one you get right you will be awarded a fantasy point.

There will be three rounds of matches during group play. Before each round you are allowed to swap in and out anyone you want on your fantasy roster. But after the final round of group play you will only be allowed six trades, thus you had better have your team at least half-set for the playoffs before the final round of group play.

After each playoff round you will be allowed three trades.

When you have your team, post it like this-

TEAM NAME
G- Player
DF- Player
DF- Player
DF- Player
DF- Player
MF- Player
MF- Player
MF- Player
MF- Player
FW- Player
FW- Player

And when you make a trade, please do NOT edit your team (in case we are still busy adding fantasy points). Simply announce your trade and before the next round begins either Nog or I will post a list of updated fantasy team rosters.

All right, that should do it for now. As soon as I have the full Tol-In-Gaurhoth roster I will post the final rosters here, as well as some tips to keep in mind when selecting your fantasy team.

[the phantom]

Full rosters!

Congrats to Gwath and Hookbill for rounding out the Tol-In-Gaurhoth team.

ALQUALONDE
G- Olwe
DF- Earwen
DF- Cirdan
DF- Frodo
DF- Elwing
MF- Eriol
MF- Lindo
MF- Bilbo
MF- Uinen
FW- Osse
FW- Gil-Galad

AMON RHUD
G- Ebor
DF- Sagroth
DF- Forweg
DF- Forhend
MF- Avranc
MF- Ragnir
MF- Asgon
MF- Gethron
MF- Grithnir
MF- Algund
FW- Androg

ANGBAND
G- Carcharoth
DF- Balrog 2
DF- Uldor
DF- Balrog 3
DF- Balrog 4
MF- Balrog 5
MF- Balrog 6
MF- Ulfast
MF- Melkor
FW- Gothmog
FW- Ancalagon

ANNUMINAS
G- Arvedui
DF- Tarcil
DF- Elendur
DF- Earendur
DF- Tarandor
MF- Arveleg
MF- Argeleb
MF- Eldacar
MF- Arantar
MF- Valandur
FW- Araphor

ARMENELOS
G- Elros
DF- Tar Atanamir
DF- Tar Ciryatan
DF- Tar-Telperien
MF- Ar Zimrathan
MF- Tar Calmacil
MF- Ar Adunakhor
MF- Ar Gimilzor
FW- Tar Ancalimon
FW- Tar Minastir
FW- Ar Pharazon

BREELAND
G- Old Man Willow
DF- Bob
DF- Goldberry
DF- Nob
MF- Odo Proudfoot
MF- Sardoc Brandybuck
MF- Harry
MF- Butterbur
MF- The Barrow-Wight
FW- Bill Ferny
FW- Tom Bombadil

BRETHIL
G- Hardang
DF- Hundad
DF- Nienor
DF- Handir
MF- Brandir
MF- Manthor
MF- Dorlas
MF- Halmir
MF- Hunthor
MF- Haleth
FW- Haldir

DORIATH
G- Melian
DF- Elured
DF- Luthien
DF- Elurin
DF- Saeros
MF- Nellas
MF- Daeron
MF- Dior
MF- Elwe
FW- Mablung
FW- Beleg

EDORAS
G- Theoden
DF- Aldor
DF- Folcwine
DF- Frealaf
MF- Thengel
MF- Folca
MF- Theodred
MF- Brytta
MF- Eowyn
FW- Eomer
FW- Eorl

EREBOR
G- Bain
DF- Nain
DF- Thorin
DF- Thror
DF- Brand
MF- Dain
MF- Thrain
MF- Girion
MF- Beorn
MF- Bard
FW- Smaug

FORMENOS
G- Huan
DF- Celegorm
DF- Caranthir
DF- Curufin
DF- Celebrimbor
MF- Amrod
MF- Amras
MF- Maglor
MF- Aredhel
FW- Maedhros
FW- Feanor

FORNOST
G- Aragost
DF- Aravir
DF- Argonui
DF- Arador
DF- Amlaith
MF- Aranuir
MF- Arahad
MF- Aranarth
MF- Arassuil
FW- Arahael
FW- Arathorn

GONDOLIN
G- Tuor
DF- Salgant
DF- Galdor
DF- Meleth
DF- Turgon
MF- Rog
MF- Idril
MF- Penlod
MF- Eol
FW- Ecthelion
FW- Maeglin

GONDOR
G- Beregond
DF- Anardil
DF- Atanatar I
DF- Minalcar
DF- Dervorin
MF- Golasgil
MF- Hirluin
MF- Valacar
MF- Calmacil
FW- Faramir
FW- Imrahil

HELM’S DEEP
G- Erkenbrand
DF- Gram
DF- Walda
DF- Goldwine
MF- Brego
MF- Hama
MF- Fengel
MF- Frea
MF- Elfwine
MF- Eomund
FW- Helm

HITHLUM
G- Huor
DF- Galdor
DF- Marach
DF- Gundor
DF- Hador
MF- Angrod
MF- Aegnor
MF- Fingon
MF- Hurin
FW- Fingolfin
FW- Turin

ISENGARD
G- Beechbone
DF- Snaga
DF- Deor
DF- Skinbark
MF- Mauhur
MF- Treebeard
MF- Lugdush
MF- Freawine
MF- Quickbeam
FW- Ugluk
FW- Saruman

LOTHLORIEN
G- Galadriel
DF- Gollum
DF- Arwen
DF- Gimli
DF- Celebrian
MF- Nimrodel
MF- Rumil
MF- Orophin
MF- Amroth
MF- Haldir
FW- Eldarion

MICHEL DELVING
G- Sam
DF- Bungo
DF- Drogo
DF- Gerontius
DF- Lotho
MF- Ted Sandyman
MF- Fatty
MF- Gaffer
FW- Merry
FW- Pippin
FW- Bullroarer

MINAS TIRITH
G- Ecthelion II
DF- Calimehtar
DF- Ondoher
DF- Earnil II
DF- Beregond
MF- Turin II
MF- Denethor II
MF- Telumehtar
MF- Boromir I
MF- Mardil
FW- Earnur

MIRKWOOD
G- Oropher
DF- Lagduf
DF- Galion
DF- Muzgash
DF- Gorbag
MF- Nazgul #8
MF- Grishnakh
MF- Grimbeorn
FW- Thranduil
FW- Legolas
FW- Scatha

MORDOR
G- Shelob
DF- Nazgul #7
DF- Shagrat
DF- Gothmog II
DF- Nazgul #6
MF- Nazgul #5
MF- Nazgul #4
MF- Nazgul #3
MF- The Mouth
FW- Khamul
FW- The Witch King

MORIA
G- Watcher
DF- Kili
DF- Ohtar
DF- Oin
DF- Great Goblin
MF- Narvi
MF- Balin
MF- Bolg
MF- Durin
MF- Durin’s Bane
FW- Azog

NARGOTHROND
G- Beor
DF- Bregolas
DF- Bregor
DF- Belegund
DF- Gelmir
MF- Baragund
MF- Barahir
MF- Glaurung
MF- Finrod
MF- Beren
FW-Gwindor

OSGILIATH
G- Romendacil
DF- Meneldil
DF- Siriondil
DF- Cemendur
MF- Telemnar
MF- Narmacil
MF- Earnil
MF- Ostoher
MF- Falastur
MF- Eldacar
FW- Hyarmendacil

RIVENDELL
G- Elrond
DF- Gildor
DF- Celeborn
DF- Erestor
DF- Gandalf
MF- Valandil
MF- Elladen
MF- Elrohir
MF- Aragorn
MF- Boromir II
FW- Glorfindel

ROMENA
G- Amandil
DF- Tar Meneldur
DF- Tar Elendil
DF- Vardamir
DF- Tar Aldarion
MF- Anarion
MF- Tar Miriel
MF- Tar Surion
MF- Tar Palantir
MF- Elendil
FW- Isildur

TANIQUETIL
G- Mandos
DF- Este
DF- Vana
DF- Nessa
DF- Aule
DF- Yavanna
MF- Nienna
MF- Thorondor
MF- Varda
MF- Manwe
FW- Lorien

TUNA
G- Orodreth
DF- Elenwe
DF- Guilen
DF- Ingwe
DF- Duilin
MF- Egalmoth
MF- Finarfin
MF- Nerdanel
FW- Mahtan
FW- Finwe
FW- Miriel

UMBAR
G- Pelendur
DF- Calimehtar
DF- Ulrad
DF- Brodda
DF- Folcred
MF- Angamaite
MF- Sangahyando
MF- Fastred
FW- Beruthiel
FW- Nazgul #9
FW- Castamir

VALIMAR
G- Ungolient
DF- Ulmo
DF- Alatar
DF- Pallando
DF- Radagast
MF- Arien
MF- Orome
MF- Tilion
MF- Earendil
FW- Tulkas
FW- Eonwe

TOL-IN-GAURHOTH
G- Drauglin
DF- Hookbill
DF- Gwathagor
DF- Cailin
MF- Lhuna
MF- Thuringwethil
MF- Eomer
MF- the phantom
FW- Formendacil
FW- Nogrod
FW- Sauron

[the phantom]

When selecting your team, look at the order in which the players are listed (particularly midfielders).

In general, the MFs that are listed farther down closer to the FWs tend to get involved more in the offense, while the MFs listed higher up are more defensive minded. This is not a guarantee that the lower MFs will score more fantasy points, however there is a greater probability of them scoring more fantasy points.

In other words, I would generally slant my selections towards those MFs lower on the list, but don't get upset if one of yours gets shut down and the one above him scores a bunch. There are no guarantees.

[the phantom]

Here is a very general guide to the teams and groups. I'm hoping this will help you make good fantasy picks (if all the teams in a group are defensive, don't pick FWs from there, etc.).

GROUP A
FORNOST - a very balanced team, excellent teamwork and spirit
MICHEL DELVING - they like to outscore opponents to counter their suspect defense, have been legally allowed to use Ent-draught on their players
RIVENDELL (H) - fantastic team defense, plus they'll have the home crowd
ROMENA - boring defensive style, but talented athletes

GROUP B
BREELAND - very capable of scoring, but falls asleep defensively
EDORAS (H) - attacking, will score a bit but leaves goal open to counter-attack, has the home crowd behind them
MIRKWOOD - will try to outscore opponents plain and simple
TOL-IN-GAURHOTH - mega-aggressive, leaves defenders exposed and counts on their individual talent to keep opponent from scoring more than twice, TIG thinks they can always score at least two goals

GROUP C
ALQUALONDE - good talent up and down the field, conventional style, very pretty uniforms
DORIATH (H) - solid all over, count on Melian too much at times, have home crowd
FORMENOS - superior athletes top to bottom, lockdown defense and effective scorers
ISENGARD - good talent, but have team chemistry problems

GROUP D
LOTHLORIEN - very good defense, untested offense
NARGOTHROND - very solid, no obvious weakness
OSGILIATH (H) - methodical and boring but know how to win, plus home crowd
UMBAR - very diverse team and relatively untested

GROUP E
EREBOR - good defense and capable of scoring
GONDOLIN (H) - can score with anyone, have home crowd
GONDOR - good teamwork, plays smart
TUNA - likely to give away goals, also likely to score a lot

GROUP F
AMON RHUD - patchwork team, very defensive
ARMENELOS - good talent top to bottom, amazing athletes
HELM'S DEEP - defensive specialists, like low scoring contests
TANIQUETIL (H) - legendary names, play ultra-conservatively, home crowd

GROUP G
HITHLUM - can definitely score, defense usually good enough
MINAS TIRITH - good balance and work together well
MORDOR (H) - even without Sauron still a dangerous team, impossible to keep off scoreboard, especially at home
MORIA - strong talent up front, but weaker at the back

GROUP H
ANGBAND (H) - amazing talent all over, no weakness, playing at home
ANNUMINAS - capable defense and good offensive talent
BRETHIL - no outstanding weakness or strength, try to keep games low scoring
VALIMAR - outstanding players up and down the roster, equally good defense and offense

[the phantom]

Okay, you can start posting your fantasy teams any time now.

Follow the format in my first post please.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

G - Elrond (Rivendell)

DF - Este (Taniquetil)
DF - Aule (Taniquetil)
DF - Cailin (T-I-G) ;)
DF - Celeborn (Rivendell)

MF - Arien (Valimar)
MF - Melkor (Angband)
MF - the phantom (T-I-G) :smokin:

FW - Feanor (Formenos)
FW - Gothmog (Angband)
FW - Tulkas (Valimar)

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Group A: 1st - Rivendell / 2nd - Fornost

Group B: 1st - Edoras / 2nd - Tol-in-Gaurhoth

Group C: 1st - Formenos / 2nd - Doriath

Group D: 1st - Nargothrond / 2nd - Osgiliath

Group E: 1st - Gondolin / 2nd - Erebor

Group F: 1st - Armenelos / 2nd - Taniquetil

Group G: 1st - Hithlum / 2nd - Mordor

Group H: 1st - Angband / 2nd - Valimar





Most goals: Gothmog (Angband)

Most assists: Melkor (Angband)

Most points: Gothmog (Angband)

Winner: Angband



I don't think there will be an upset this year, there are just too many very strong teams. Angband look the strongest to me, and their will, not just to win, but to defeat and crush their opponents, could well see them crowned champions.

[Cailín]

G - Old Man Willow (Breeland)

DF - Vana (Taniquetil)
DF - Luthien (Doriath)
DF - Yavanna (Taniquetil)

MF - Eomer of the Rohirrim (T-i-G) :p
MF - Treebeard (Isengard)
MF - Aredhel (Formenos)
MF - Aragorn (Rivendell)
MF - Boromir II (Rivendell)
MF - Bilbo (Alqualonde)

FW - The Witch King (Mordor)

[Cailín]

A: 1st - Rivendell, 2nd - Michel Delving

B: 1st - Tol in Gaurhoth, 2nd - Mirkwood

C: 1st - Alqualonde, 2nd - Formenos

D: 1st - Osgiliath, 2nd - Lothlorien

E: 1st - Erebor, 2nd - Gondor

F: 1st - Taniquetil, 2nd - Armenelos

G: 1st - Mordor, 2nd - Hithlum

H: 1st - Angband, 2nd - Valimar



Most goals: The Witch King (Mordor)

Most assists: Eomer of the Rohirrim (Tol in Gaurhoth)

Most points: Lhunardawen (Tol in Gaurhoth)

Winner: Mirkwood

[the phantom]

All right- that's two teams and predictions thus far- Eomer and Cailin.

Formy, Valesse, Ang, Lhuna, McCaber, Gwath, Tuor, Skip, and Hook- you've all posted on the thread. I'd love to see you submit predictions and a fantasy team. It doesn't take much time. I have all of the next two months to get this tournament in, but I'd like to get started sooner rather than later. :)

PM people that you think might be interested in this sort of thing. Once I have enough people I'll start the matches, and that's when the fun will really start!

[Gwathagor]

G- Erkenbrand (Helm’s Deep)
DF- Celebrimbor (Formenos)
DF- Ulmo (Valimar)
DF- Gandalf (Rivendell)
MF- the phantom (TIG)
MF- Ar-Gimilzor (Armenelos)
MF- Melkor (Angband)
MF- Aredhel (Formenos)
MF- Grimbeorn (Mirkwood)
MF- Eomer (TIG)
FW- Maeglin (Gondolin)



I'll get to the predictions in a bit.

[Elmo]

:eek: I've got this and the Euro Championships to keep an eye on. A lot of football. Scotland aren't in either :mad:

G- Melian (Does she get to use her girdle in the goal?)
DF- Forweg
DF- Aule
DF- Gram
DF- Elendur
MF- Melkor
MF- Denethor II
MF- Eomer (The only Aberdonian playing in an international championship this summer) :(
FW- Azog
FW- Ecthelion
FW- Finwe

[Gwathagor]

Group A – Rivendell / Fornost

Group B – Mirkwood / Tol-In-Gaurhoth

Group C – Formenos / Doriath

Group D – Nargothrond / Osgiliath

Group E – Gondor / Gondolin

Group F – Armenelos / Helm's Deep

Group G – Mordor / Hithlum

Group H – Valimar / Angband



Most goals: Sauron

Most assists: the phantom

Most fantasy points: Earendil

Winner: Valimar

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

MF- Eomer (The only Aberdonian playing in an international championship this summer) :(

It's nae like Darren Mackie would get in the Scotland team. :D

(Or indeed any player, no matter how good, who played for Aberdeen. :mad:)

[Anguirel]

Can you use a player already on someone else's roster? Am a little confused still

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Aye, Ang, that can.

[the phantom]

Quite right, Eomer. Players can be drafted onto multiple teams.

[skip spence]

Allright...

GK Mandos (Taniquetil)
DC Ulmo (Valimar)
DC Aule (Taniquetil)
DC Tar-Aldarion (Romena)
MR Eöl (Gondolin)
MC Durin's Bane (Moria)
MC Melkor (Angband)
ML Earendil (Valimar)
FC Turin (Hithlum)
FC Nogrod (T-I_G)
FC Ancalagon (Angband)

Rohirrim Group A: 1st - Rivendell / 2nd - Romena

Group B: 1st - Edoras / 2nd - Tol-in-Gaurhoth

Group C: 1st - Formenos / 2nd - Alqualonde

Group D: 1st - LOTHLORIEN / 2nd NARGOTHROND

Group E: 1st - Gondolin / 2nd - Tuna

Group F: 1st - Taniquetil/ 2nd - Armenelos

Group G: 1st - Mordor / 2nd - Hithlum

Group H: 1st - Angband / 2nd - Valimar


Most goals: Turin (Hithlum)

Most assists: Melkor (Angband)

Most points: Gothmog (Angband)

Winner: TOL-IN-GAURHOTH

[Anguirel]

Fantasy team

G – Galadriel (Lothlorien)
DF – Goldberry (Breeland)
DF – Luthien (Doriath)
DF – Celegorm (Formenos)
DF – Curufin (Formenos)
MF – Daeron (Doriath)
MF – Maglor (Formenos)
MF – Finrod (Nargothrond)
FW – Maedhros (Formenos)
FW – Maeglin (Gondolin)
FW – Eomer (Edoras)

Predictions (already documented in more depth on other thread)

Group A - 1st Rivendell/2nd Romena

Group B - 1st Mirkwood/2nd Tol-in-Gaurhoth

Group C - 1st Formenos (yeah)/2nd Doriath

Group D - 1st Lothlorien/2nd Nargothrond

Group E - 1st Gondolin/2nd Tuna

Group F - 1st Taniquetil/2nd Armenolos

Group G - 1st Hithlum/2nd Minas Tirith

Group H - 1st Angband/2nd Valimar


Most goals: Maeglin (Gondolin) (including own goals, possibly. The Sharpboot is very skilled, but erratic)

Most assists: Finrod (Nargothrond)

Most points: Maedhros (Formenos)

WINNER: Formenos…(of course)

[the phantom]

Elmo, are you going to give group and scoring predictions as well? Remember, that can score you extra fantasy points.

All right, we have six entries so far. Excellent. I'll start sending some pms to people who have posted on the threads but haven't made predictions or picked teams.

[Elmo]

GROUP A

1st RIVENDELL
2nd ROMENA

GROUP B
1st EDORAS
2nd TOL-IN-GAURHOTH

GROUP C
DORIATH 1st
FORMENOS 2nd

GROUP D

OSGILIATH 1st
NARGOTHROND 2nd



GROUP E

GONDOLIN 1st
EREBOR - 2nd

GROUP F

ARMENELOS 1st
TANIQUETIL 2nd

GROUP G

MORDOR 1st
MINAS TIRITH 2nd

GROUP H
ANGBAND1st
VALIMAR 2nd

Most goals: Denethor II

Most Assists: Melkor

Most points: Melkor

Winner: Angband

Do we get to pick team names?

[Lhunardawen]

Sorry phantom, I haven't forgotten this thread. I'll put up my predictions and whatnot soon - in a few days, maybe.

[Lhunardawen]

G - Huan (Formenos)

DF - Luthien (Doriath)
DF - Ulmo (Valimar)
DF - Turgon (Gondolin)

MF - Fingon (Hithlum)
MF - Eowyn (Edoras)
MF - Finrod (Nargothrond)
MF - Eomer (Tol-in-Gaurhoth)
MF - the phantom (Tol-in-Gaurhoth)
MF - Varda (Taniquetil)

FW - Fingolfin (Hithlum)


GROUP A: Rivendell (1st), Fornost (2nd)
GROUP B: Tol-in-Gaurhoth (1st), Edoras (2nd)
GROUP C: Formenos (1st), Doriath (2nd)
GROUP D: Lothlorien (1st), Nargothrond (2nd)
GROUP E: Gondolin (1st), Gondor (2nd)
GROUP F: Taniquetil (1st), Armenelos (2nd)
GROUP G: Mordor (1st), Minas Tirith (2nd)
GROUP H: Valimar (1st), Angband (2nd)


Most goals: Ulmo (Valimar)
Most assists: Finrod (Nargothrond)
Most points: Eomer (Tol-in-Gaurhoth)

Winner: Taniquetil

[Formendacil]

Making predictions isn't quite my things... I'd rather sit around and snipe at other people's, but the phantom's PM has sat in my PM box for the last couple weeks or so while I've been gallivanting around the continent, and I feel guilty...

With no more ado, then...

I'm not seeing this in the rules anywhere, but I'm unclear: is my fantasy roster supposed to be composed entirely of players that no one else owns? That seems to be the idea, but I'm rather too lazy to cross-check every player everyone's picked.

[Elmo]

No you can pick players others have picked. I couldn't be bothered with it if you couldn't. :cool:

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

G- Melian (Doriath) (Nothing gets past her. ;) )

DF- Lúthien (Doriath)
DF- Cailín (Tol-in-Gaurhoth)
DF- Aulë (Taniquetil)
DF- Yavanna (Taniquetil)

MF- Lhunardawen (Tol-in-Gaurhoth) ( :D )
MF- Tar-Míriel (Rómena)
MF- Elwë (Doriath)
MF- Finrod (Nargothrond)

FW- Gwindor (Nargothrond) (He can get past anything. :p )
FW- Túrin (Hithlum)

GROUP A: Michel Delving, Rivendell
**(Rivendell vs Rómena will be the closest fight in the group stages.)
GROUP B: Tol-in-Gaurhoth, Edoras
GROUP C: Doriath, Alqualondë
GROUP D: Nargothrond, Lothlórien
GROUP E: Gondolin, Erebor
GROUP F: Armenelos, Taniquetil (Ooh.)
GROUP G: Hithlum, Mordor
GROUP H: Angband, Valimar

Most goals: Túrin (Hithlum)
Most assists: Finrod (Nargothrond)
Most points: Beren (Nargothrond)

Overall winner: Nargothrond

[the phantom]

All right, the following have entered in the Fantasy Challenge-

Eomer
Cailin
Gwathagor
Elmo
Skip
Anguirel
Lhuna
Nilp

And Form- you can pick any players you want. It doesn't matter if they've been picked already.

As soon as I have predictions from both Form and Nogrod I shall begin the first round, so if you know anyone who wants to participate please tell them to get a move on.

[Formendacil]

Right then... late as I am getting to this, I'm still beating Nogrod out. :p I hope...

Anyway, I too think the redoubtable Melian is THE goalie to beat, so...

G- Melian

DF- Lúthien
DF- Gandalf
DF- Hookbill the Goomba
DF- Frodo

MF- Amrod
MF- Amras
MF- Aragorn II

FW- Sauron
FW- Isildur
FW- Glorfindel


For my predictions regarding the first round:

GROUP A
RIVENDELLl 1st, Fornost 2nd

GROUP B
TOL-IN-GAURHOTH 1st, Edoras 2nd

GROUP C
DORIATH 1st, Formenos 2nd

GROUP D
NARGOTHROND -1st, Lothlórien 2nd

GROUP E
GONDOLIN 1st, Erebor 2nd

GROUP F
ARMENELOS 1st, Taniquetil 2nd

GROUP G
MORDOR 1st, Hithlum 2nd

GROUP H
ANGBAND 1st, Valimar 2nd

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

It's cheating to have 12 players, Form. :p

[Formendacil]

It's cheating to have 12 players, Form. :p

Wha...

Oh.

I miscounted.

This is what comes of posting too late... my arithmetic fails me. I shall fix that.

[Nogrod]

Right then... late as I am getting to this, I'm still beating Nogrod out. :pYou are indeed. But I'll have my squad ready tomorrow and it will hopefully beat yours in the game... :D

[Nogrod]

Here it comes then.

Goalkeeper:
Huan (Formenos)

Defence:
Saeros (Doriath)
Caranthir (Formenos)
Gelmir (Nargothrond)
Meneldil (Osgiliath)

Midfielders:
Idril (Gondolin)
Nienna (Taniquetil)
Nerdanel (Tuna)

Forwards:
Ancalagon (Angband)
Smaug (Erebor)
Nogrod (Tol-in-Gaurhoth)

That was such a hard one! It was indeed sad I was myself in the line-up for a forward for I couldn't help but choosing myself just for the tragedy of it... and just think of the alternatives!!! :rolleyes:

My predictions for the first round then...

GROUP A
1. Rivendell
2. Michel Delving

GROUP B
1. Tol-in-gaurhoth
2. Edoras

GROUP C
1. Formenos
2. Doriath

GROUP D
1. Nargothrond
2. Osgiliath

GROUP E
1. Gondolin
2. Gondor

GROUP F
1. Taniquetil
2. Armenelos

GROUP G
1. Mordor
2. Minas Tirith

GROUP H
1. Angband
2. Valimar


I'll throw the last predictions after I have given them some thought...

But we're off now!

Sorry to have kept you waiting...

[Nogrod]

Btw.

How does the change into the round robins take place after the group-phase?

Is it like:

Game I : 1st group A - 2nd group H
Game II: 1st group B - 2nd group G
Game III: 1st group C - 2nd group F
Game IV: 1st group D - 2nd group E
Game V: 1st group E - 2nd group D
Game VI: 1st group F - 2nd group C
Game VII: 1st group G - 2nd group B
Game VIII: 1st group H - 2nd group A

Or like:

Game I : 1st group A - 2nd group D
Game II: 1st group B - 2nd group C
Game III: 1st group C - 2nd group B
Game IV: 1st group D - 2nd group A

Game V: 1st group E - 2nd group H
Game VI: 1st group F - 2nd group G
Game VII: 1st group G - 2nd group F
Game VIII: 1st group H - 2nd group E


Or some other way?

Just curious...

[Nogrod]

The rest of my predictions...

Top scorer:
Gothmog (Angband)

Most assists:
The Mouth (Mordor)

Most fantasy points:
Formendacil (Tol-in-gaurhoth)

The winning team... is:
Gondolin

[the phantom]

All right- we have ten competing fantasy teams! I have on paper a master list of all of your pre-tournament predictions.

Fantasy teams are locked in now. After the first sixteen matches I will announce the next round of match-ups and you will be allowed unlimited trades. The same goes for after that round. But remember that after the third and final round of group play you will only be allowed six trades. And once the playoffs begin only three trades per round are allowed.
Do we get to pick team names?
Absolutely! :)

If you have a name for your team just post it here.

[the phantom]

Sorry, Skip, but I just noticed you aren't using one of the approved fantasy formations. Same thing I did last year. :D

The formations are listed in the first post.

For now, here's what we have.

EOMER
G - Elrond (Rivendell)
DF - Este (Taniquetil)
DF - Aule (Taniquetil)
DF - Cailin (T-I-G)
DF - Celeborn (Rivendell)
MF - Arien (Valimar)
MF - Melkor (Angband)
MF - the phantom (T-I-G)
FW - Feanor (Formenos)
FW - Gothmog (Angband)
FW - Tulkas (Valimar)

CAILIN
G - Old Man Willow (Breeland)
DF - Vana (Taniquetil)
DF - Luthien (Doriath)
DF - Yavanna (Taniquetil)
MF - Eomer of the Rohirrim (T-i-G)
MF - Treebeard (Isengard)
MF - Aredhel (Formenos)
MF - Aragorn (Rivendell)
MF - Boromir II (Rivendell)
MF - Bilbo (Alqualonde)
FW - The Witch King (Mordor)

GWATH
G- Erkenbrand (Helm’s Deep)
DF- Celebrimbor (Formenos)
DF- Ulmo (Valimar)
DF- Gandalf (Rivendell)
MF- the phantom (TIG)
MF- Ar-Gimilzor (Armenelos)
MF- Melkor (Angband)
MF- Aredhel (Formenos)
MF- Grimbeorn (Mirkwood)
MF- Eomer (TIG)
FW- Maeglin (Gondolin)

ELMO
G- Melian (Doriath)
DF- Forweg (Amon Rhud)
DF- Aule (Taniquetil)
DF- Gram (Helm's Deep)
DF- Elendur (Annumunas)
MF- Melkor (Angband)
MF- Denethor II (Minas Tirith)
MF- Eomer (TIG)
FW- Azog (Moria)
FW- Ecthelion (Gondolin)
FW- Finwe (Tuna)

SKIP
G- Mandos (Taniquetil)
DF- Ulmo (Valimar)
DF- Aule (Taniquetil)
DF- Tar-Aldarion (Romena)
MF- Eöl (Gondolin)
MF- Durin's Bane (Moria)
MF- Melkor (Angband)
MF- Earendil (Valimar)
FW- Turin (Hithlum)
FW- Nogrod (T-I_G)
FW- Ancalagon (Angband)

ANG
G – Galadriel (Lothlorien)
DF – Goldberry (Breeland)
DF – Luthien (Doriath)
DF – Celegorm (Formenos)
DF – Curufin (Formenos)
MF – Daeron (Doriath)
MF – Maglor (Formenos)
MF – Finrod (Nargothrond)
FW – Maedhros (Formenos)
FW – Maeglin (Gondolin)
FW – Eomer (Edoras)

LHUNA
G - Huan (Formenos)
DF - Luthien (Doriath)
DF - Ulmo (Valimar)
DF - Turgon (Gondolin)
MF - Fingon (Hithlum)
MF - Eowyn (Edoras)
MF - Finrod (Nargothrond)
MF - Eomer (Tol-in-Gaurhoth)
MF - the phantom (Tol-in-Gaurhoth)
MF - Varda (Taniquetil)
FW - Fingolfin (Hithlum)

NILP
G- Melian (Doriath)
DF- Lúthien (Doriath)
DF- Cailín (Tol-in-Gaurhoth)
DF- Aulë (Taniquetil)
DF- Yavanna (Taniquetil)
MF- Lhunardawen (Tol-in-Gaurhoth)
MF- Tar-Míriel (Rómena)
MF- Elwë (Doriath)
MF- Finrod (Nargothrond)
FW- Gwindor (Nargothrond)
FW- Túrin (Hithlum)

FORM
G- Melian (Doriath)
DF- Lúthien (Doriath)
DF- Gandalf (Rivendell)
DF- Hookbill the Goomba (TIG)
DF- Frodo (Alqualonde)
MF- Amrod (Formenos)
MF- Amras (Formenos)
MF- Aragorn II (Rivendell)
FW- Sauron (TIG)
FW- Isildur (Romena)
FW- Glorfindel (Rivendell)

Nog
G- Huan (Formenos)
DF- Saeros (Doriath)
DF- Caranthir (Formenos)
DF- Gelmir (Nargothrond)
DF- Meneldil (Osgiliath)
MF- Idril (Gondolin)
MF- Nienna (Taniquetil)
MF- Nerdanel (Tuna)
FW- Ancalagon (Angband)
FW- Smaug (Erebor)
FW- Nogrod (Tol-in-Gaurhoth)

[the phantom]

There has been one change to the fantasy point system. I edited my first post. The goalie can now earn additional points for saves.

If you think that will greatly impact your choice you may replace your goalie at this time. When you do trades please just post who is leaving your team and who is joining your team.

[Formendacil]

Player who will score the most goals - Míriel
Player who will score the most assists - Eönwë
Player who will score the most fantasy points - Túrin Turambar
Team that will win the whole tournament - Angband

[McCaber]

All right, here's my team.

G- Melian (Doriath)
DF- Turgon (Gondolin)
DF- Gimli (Lothlorien)
DF- Gandalf (Rivendell)
DF- Ulmo (Valimar)
MF- Melkor (Angband)
MF- Boromir I (Minas Tirith)
MF- Elrohir (Rivendell)
FW- Gothmog (Angband)
FW- Ecthelion (Gondolin)
FW- Maedhros (Formenos)

Most goals: Gothmog (Angband)
Most assists: Melkor (Angband)
Most fantasy points: Gothmog (Angband)
Most saves: Melian (Doriath)

Group A: Rivendell / Fornost
Group B: Tol-in-Gaurhoth / Edoras
Group C: Formenos / Doriath
Group D: Lothlorien / Osgiliath
Group E: Gondolin / Gondor
Group F: Tanequetil / Armenos
Group G: Minas Tirith / Mordor
Group H: Angband / Valimar

Victor: Angband

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Team names? Fun! My team shall be known as The Rage of Ten Thousand Wargs. :D

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

I shall call mine the Silmarillion Squad.

I'd do something as grand as Eomer's but I don't want to steal his thunder. :D

[the phantom]

The Rage of Ten Thousand Wargs (Eomer)
G - Elrond (Rivendell)
DF - Este (Taniquetil)
DF - Aule (Taniquetil)
DF - Cailin (T-I-G)
DF - Celeborn (Rivendell)
MF - Arien (Valimar)
MF - Melkor (Angband)
MF - the phantom (T-I-G)
FW - Feanor (Formenos)
FW - Gothmog (Angband)
FW - Tulkas (Valimar)

Cailin
G - Old Man Willow (Breeland)
DF - Vana (Taniquetil)
DF - Luthien (Doriath)
DF - Yavanna (Taniquetil)
MF - Eomer of the Rohirrim (T-i-G)
MF - Treebeard (Isengard)
MF - Aredhel (Formenos)
MF - Aragorn (Rivendell)
MF - Boromir II (Rivendell)
MF - Bilbo (Alqualonde)
FW - The Witch King (Mordor)

Gwath
G- Erkenbrand (Helm’s Deep)
DF- Celebrimbor (Formenos)
DF- Ulmo (Valimar)
DF- Gandalf (Rivendell)
MF- the phantom (TIG)
MF- Ar-Gimilzor (Armenelos)
MF- Melkor (Angband)
MF- Aredhel (Formenos)
MF- Grimbeorn (Mirkwood)
MF- Eomer (TIG)
FW- Maeglin (Gondolin)

Dwarves the Opposition (Elmo)
G- Melian (Doriath)
DF- Forweg (Amon Rhud)
DF- Aule (Taniquetil)
DF- Gram (Helm's Deep)
DF- Elendur (Annumunas)
MF- Melkor (Angband)
MF- Denethor II (Minas Tirith)
MF- Eomer (TIG)
FW- Azog (Moria)
FW- Ecthelion (Gondolin)
FW- Finwe (Tuna)

Skip
G- Mandos (Taniquetil)
DF- Ulmo (Valimar)
DF- Aule (Taniquetil)
DF- Tar-Aldarion (Romena)
MF- Eöl (Gondolin)
MF- Durin's Bane (Moria)
MF- Melkor (Angband)
MF- Earendil (Valimar)
FW- Turin (Hithlum)
FW- Nogrod (T-I_G)
FW- Ancalagon (Angband)

Ang
G – Galadriel (Lothlorien)
DF – Goldberry (Breeland)
DF – Luthien (Doriath)
DF – Celegorm (Formenos)
DF – Curufin (Formenos)
MF – Daeron (Doriath)
MF – Maglor (Formenos)
MF – Finrod (Nargothrond)
FW – Maedhros (Formenos)
FW – Maeglin (Gondolin)
FW – Eomer (Edoras)

Lhuna
G - Huan (Formenos)
DF - Luthien (Doriath)
DF - Ulmo (Valimar)
DF - Turgon (Gondolin)
MF - Fingon (Hithlum)
MF - Eowyn (Edoras)
MF - Finrod (Nargothrond)
MF - Eomer (Tol-in-Gaurhoth)
MF - the phantom (Tol-in-Gaurhoth)
MF - Varda (Taniquetil)
FW - Fingolfin (Hithlum)

Silmarillion Squad (Nilp)
G- Melian (Doriath)
DF- Lúthien (Doriath)
DF- Cailín (Tol-in-Gaurhoth)
DF- Aulë (Taniquetil)
DF- Yavanna (Taniquetil)
MF- Lhunardawen (Tol-in-Gaurhoth)
MF- Tar-Míriel (Rómena)
MF- Elwë (Doriath)
MF- Finrod (Nargothrond)
FW- Gwindor (Nargothrond)
FW- Túrin (Hithlum)

Form
G- Melian (Doriath)
DF- Lúthien (Doriath)
DF- Gandalf (Rivendell)
DF- Hookbill the Goomba (TIG)
DF- Frodo (Alqualonde)
MF- Amrod (Formenos)
MF- Amras (Formenos)
MF- Aragorn II (Rivendell)
FW- Sauron (TIG)
FW- Isildur (Romena)
FW- Glorfindel (Rivendell)

Beasts and Beauties (Nog)
G- Huan (Formenos)
DF- Saeros (Doriath)
DF- Caranthir (Formenos)
DF- Gelmir (Nargothrond)
DF- Meneldil (Osgiliath)
MF- Idril (Gondolin)
MF- Nienna (Taniquetil)
MF- Nerdanel (Tuna)
FW- Ancalagon (Angband)
FW- Smaug (Erebor)
FW- Nogrod (Tol-in-Gaurhoth)

McCaber
G- Melian (Doriath)
DF- Turgon (Gondolin)
DF- Gimli (Lothlorien)
DF- Gandalf (Rivendell)
DF- Ulmo (Valimar)
MF- Melkor (Angband)
MF- Boromir I (Minas Tirith)
MF- Elrohir (Rivendell)
FW- Gothmog (Angband)
FW- Ecthelion (Gondolin)
FW- Maedhros (Formenos)

[Elmo]

Can I call my team 'Dwarves the Opposition' ?

[Nogrod]

My team will be called Beasts and Beauties.

[Nogrod]

The points after the first round are here.

The C means that the player has gotten a yellow card. It has not been decided yet but I’d say a yellow card means -1 points and a straight red card means -3. But that remains to be decided by tp.

The tallies for players will come later but from this tally everyone can add up their individual points…

ALQUALONDE
G- Olwe 1
DF- Earwen
DF- Cirdan C
DF- Frodo C
DF- Elwing
MF- Eriol
MF- Lindo C
MF- Bilbo
MF- Uinen
FW- Osse C
FW- Gil-Galad

AMON RHUD
G- Ebor 1
DF- Sagroth
DF- Forweg
DF- Forhend
MF- Avranc C
MF- Ragnir
MF- Asgon
MF- Gethron
MF- Grithnir
MF- Algund
FW- Androg

ANGBAND
G- Carcharoth
DF- Balrog 2
DF- Uldor C
DF- Balrog 3 C
DF- Balrog 4 C
MF- Balrog 5
MF- Balrog 6
MF- Ulfast 3 + C
MF- Melkor 3 + C
FW- Gothmog 4
FW- Ancalagon 4 + C

ANNUMINAS
G- Arvedui 1
DF- Tarcil C
DF- Elendur
DF- Earendur
DF- Tarandor C
MF- Arveleg
MF- Argeleb 3
MF- Eldacar 3
MF- Arantar C
MF- Valandur 5 + C
FW- Araphor 4

ARMENELOS
G- Elros 4
DF- Tar Atanamir 4
DF- Tar Ciryatan 4
DF- Tar-Telperien 4
MF- Ar Zimrathan 1 + C
MF- Tar Calmacil 1
MF- Ar Adunakhor 4
MF- Ar Gimilzor 4 + C
FW- Tar Ancalimon 4
FW- Tar Minastir
FW- Ar Pharazon 4

BREELAND
G- Old Man Willow 1
DF- Bob
DF- Goldberry
DF- Nob C
MF- Odo Proudfoot C
MF- Sardoc Brandybuck
MF- Harry C
MF- Butterbur 3
MF- The Barrow-Wight 3
FW- Bill Ferny 4
FW- Tom Bombadil 4

BRETHIL
G- Hardang 1
DF- Hundad
DF- Nienor
DF- Handir
MF- Brandir C
MF- Manthor
MF- Dorlas
MF- Halmir
MF- Hunthor
MF- Haleth
FW- Haldir

DORIATH
G- Melian 4
DF- Elured 2
DF- Luthien 2
DF- Elurin 2
DF- Saeros 2 + C
MF- Nellas C
MF- Daeron
MF- Dior 3
MF- Elwe 3
FW- Mablung 4
FW- Beleg 4

EDORAS
G- Theoden
DF- Aldor C
DF- Folcwine
DF- Frealaf C
MF- Thengel
MF- Folca
MF- Theodred 3
MF- Brytta 5
MF- Eowyn 3
FW- Eomer 7
FW- Eorl 4

EREBOR
G- Bain 3
DF- Nain 2
DF- Thorin 2
DF- Thror 2 + C
DF- Brand 2
MF- Dain C
MF- Thrain C
MF- Girion 3
MF- Beorn 3
MF- Bard 5
FW- Smaug 4

FORMENOS
G- Huan 5
DF- Celegorm 4
DF- Caranthir 4
DF- Curufin 4
DF- Celebrimbor 4
MF- Amrod 1 + C
MF- Amras 1
MF- Maglor 4
MF- Aredhel 4
FW- Maedhros 4
FW- Feanor 4

FORNOST
G- Aragost
DF- Aravir
DF- Argonui
DF- Arador
DF- Amlaith C
MF- Aranuir
MF- Arahad
MF- Aranarth
MF- Arassuil
FW- Arahael
FW- Arathorn C

GONDOLIN
G- Tuor 2
DF- Salgant C
DF- Galdor
DF- Meleth
DF- Turgon
MF- Rog C
MF- Idril 5
MF- Penlod
MF- Eol 3 + C
FW- Ecthelion 4
FW- Maeglin 7

GONDOR
G- Beregond
DF- Anardil
DF- Atanatar I
DF- Minalcar C
DF- Dervorin
MF- Golasgil C
MF- Hirluin 3
MF- Valacar
MF- Calmacil
FW- Faramir
FW- Imrahil 4

HELM’S DEEP
G- Erkenbrand 2
DF- Gram 2
DF- Walda 2 + C
DF- Goldwine 2
MF- Brego
MF- Hama C
MF- Fengel
MF- Frea
MF- Elfwine
MF- Eomund
FW- Helm

HITHLUM
G- Huor 3
DF- Galdor 2
DF- Marach 2
DF- Gundor 2
DF- Hador 2
MF- Angrod
MF- Aegnor C
MF- Fingon 3
MF- Hurin 8
FW- Fingolfin 7
FW- Turin 4

ISENGARD
G- Beechbone 1
DF- Snaga C
DF- Deor
DF- Skinbark
MF- Mauhur C
MF- Treebeard
MF- Lugdush C
MF- Freawine
MF- Quickbeam C
FW- Ugluk 4
FW- Saruman 3

LOTHLORIEN
G- Galadriel 2
DF- Gollum 2 + C
DF- Arwen 2
DF- Gimli 2 + C
DF- Celebrian 2
MF- Nimrodel C
MF- Rumil
MF- Orophin
MF- Amroth
MF- Haldir
FW- Eldarion

MICHEL DELVING
G- Sam 1
DF- Bungo
DF- Drogo
DF- Gerontius
DF- Lotho
MF- Ted Sandyman
MF- Fatty
MF- Gaffer C
FW- Merry C
FW- Pippin 3 + C
FW- Bullroarer 4

MINAS TIRITH
G- Ecthelion II 2
DF- Calimehtar
DF- Ondoher C + C
DF- Earnil II C
DF- Beregond C
MF- Turin II
MF- Denethor II 3
MF- Telumehtar C
MF- Boromir I 5
MF- Mardil
FW- Earnur C

MIRKWOOD
G- Oropher 1
DF- Lagduf
DF- Galion C
DF- Muzgash
DF- Gorbag C
MF- Nazgul #8
MF- Grishnakh 3
MF- Grimbeorn 3 + C
FW- Thranduil
FW- Legolas
FW- Scatha 8

MORDOR
G- Shelob 2
DF- Nazgul #7 2 + C
DF- Shagrat 2 + C + C
DF- Gothmog II 2
DF- Nazgul #6 2 + C
MF- Nazgul #5
MF- Nazgul #4
MF- Nazgul #3
MF- The Mouth 3
FW- Khamul 4 + C
FW- The Witch King 7

MORIA
G- Watcher 1
DF- Kili
DF- Ohtar
DF- Oin C
DF- Great Goblin C
MF- Narvi
MF- Balin C
MF- Bolg 3
MF- Durin
MF- Durin’s Bane 5
FW- Azog

NARGOTHROND
G- Beor 2
DF- Bregolas 2
DF- Bregor 2
DF- Belegund 2
DF- Gelmir 2 + C
MF- Baragund
MF- Barahir 5
MF- Glaurung 5
MF- Finrod 3
MF- Beren 3
FW-Gwindor 4

OSGILIATH
G- Romendacil 4
DF- Meneldil 4
DF- Siriondil 4
DF- Cemendur 4
MF- Telemnar 1
MF- Narmacil 1
MF- Earnil 1
MF- Ostoher 4
MF- Falastur 1 + C
MF- Eldacar 1 + C
FW- Hyarmendacil 4

RIVENDELL
G- Elrond 4
DF- Gildor 4 + C
DF- Celeborn 4
DF- Erestor 4
DF- Gandalf 4
MF- Valandil 1
MF- Elladan 4
MF- Elrohir 1
MF- Aragorn 4
MF- Boromir II 6
FW- Glorfindel 4

ROMENA
G- Amandil 4
DF- Tar Meneldur 2
DF- Tar Elendil 2
DF- Vardamir 2 + C
DF- Tar Aldarion 2
MF- Anarion
MF- Tar Miriel
MF- Tar Surion
MF- Tar Palantir 8
MF- Elendil 3
FW- Isildur 4

TANIQUETIL
G- Mandos 4
DF- Este 4
DF- Vana 4
DF- Nessa 4
DF- Aule 4
DF- Yavanna 4
MF- Nienna 1
MF- Thorondor 1
MF- Varda 6
MF- Manwe 4
FW- Lorien

TUNA
G- Orodreth 1
DF- Elenwe
DF- Guilen C
DF- Ingwe
DF- Duilin C
MF- Egalmoth
MF- Finarfin
MF- Nerdanel 3
FW- Mahal C
FW- Finwe 4
FW- Miriel 7

UMBAR
G- Pelendur 1
DF- Calimehtar
DF- Ulrad C
DF- Brodda C + C
DF- Folcred C
MF- Angamaite
MF- Sangahyando
MF- Fastred
FW- Beruthiel C
FW- Nazgul #9 4
FW- Castamir

VALIMAR
G- Ungolient 4
DF- Ulmo 4
DF- Alatar 4
DF- Pallando 4 + C
DF- Radagast 4 + C
MF- Arien 1 + C
MF- Orome 1
MF- Tilion 4
MF- Earendil 4
FW- Tulkas 4
FW- Eonwe 4

TOL-IN-GAURHOTH
G- Drauglin 1
DF- Hookbill C
DF- Gwathagor C
DF- Cailin
MF- Lhuna 3 + C
MF- Thuringwethil
MF- Eomer 5
MF- the phantom 3
FW- Formendacil 3
FW- Nogrod 4
FW- Sauron 4

[Nogrod]

The Rage of Ten Thousand Wargs (Eomer)
G - Elrond (Rivendell) 4
DF - Este (Taniquetil) 4
DF - Aule (Taniquetil) 4
DF - Cailin (T-I-G)
DF - Celeborn (Rivendell) 4
MF - Arien (Valimar)1 + C
MF - Melkor (Angband) 3 + C
MF - the phantom (T-I-G) 3
FW - Feanor (Formenos) 4
FW - Gothmog (Angband) 4
FW - Tulkas (Valimar) 4

Total: 35 + 2xC


Cailin
G - Old Man Willow (Breeland) 1
DF - Vana (Taniquetil) 4
DF - Luthien (Doriath) 2
DF - Yavanna (Taniquetil) 4
MF - Eomer of the Rohirrim (T-i-G) 5
MF - Treebeard (Isengard)
MF - Aredhel (Formenos) 4
MF - Aragorn (Rivendell) 4
MF - Boromir II (Rivendell) 6
MF - Bilbo (Alqualonde)
FW - The Witch King (Mordor) 7

Total: 37


Gwath
G- Erkenbrand (Helm’s Deep) 2
DF- Celebrimbor (Formenos) 4
DF- Ulmo (Valimar) 4
DF- Gandalf (Rivendell) 4
MF- the phantom (TIG) 3
MF- Ar-Gimilzor (Armenelos) 4 + C
MF- Melkor (Angband) 3 + C
MF- Aredhel (Formenos) 4
MF- Grimbeorn (Mirkwood) 3 + C
MF- Eomer (TIG) 5
FW- Maeglin (Gondolin) 7

Total: 43 + 3xC


Dwarves the Opposition (Elmo)
G- Melian (Doriath) 4
DF- Forweg (Amon Rhud)
DF- Aule (Taniquetil) 4
DF- Gram (Helm's Deep) 2
DF- Elendur (Annumunas)
MF- Melkor (Angband) 3 + C
MF- Denethor II (Minas Tirith) 3
MF- Eomer (TIG) 5
FW- Azog (Moria)
FW- Ecthelion (Gondolin) 4
FW- Finwe (Tuna) 4

Total: 29 + 1xC


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G- Mandos (Taniquetil) 4
DF- Ulmo (Valimar) 4
DF- Aule (Taniquetil) 4
DF- Tar-Aldarion (Romena) 2
MF- Eöl (Gondolin) 3 + C
MF- Durin's Bane (Moria) 5
MF- Melkor (Angband) 3 + C
MF- Earendil (Valimar) 4
FW- Turin (Hithlum) 4
FW- Nogrod (T-I_G) 4
FW- Ancalagon (Angband) 4 + C

Total: 41 + 3xC


Ang
G – Galadriel (Lothlorien) 3
DF – Goldberry (Breeland)
DF – Luthien (Doriath) 2
DF – Celegorm (Formenos) 4
DF – Curufin (Formenos) 4
MF – Daeron (Doriath)
MF – Maglor (Formenos) 4
MF – Finrod (Nargothrond) 3
FW – Maedhros (Formenos) 4
FW – Maeglin (Gondolin) 7
FW – Eomer (Edoras) 7

Total: 38


Lhuna
G - Huan (Formenos) 5
DF - Luthien (Doriath) 2
DF - Ulmo (Valimar) 4
DF - Turgon (Gondolin)
MF - Fingon (Hithlum) 3
MF - Eowyn (Edoras) 3
MF - Finrod (Nargothrond) 3
MF - Eomer (Tol-in-Gaurhoth) 5
MF - the phantom (Tol-in-Gaurhoth) 3
MF - Varda (Taniquetil) 6
FW - Fingolfin (Hithlum) 7

Total: 41


Silmarillion Squad (Nilp)
G- Melian (Doriath) 4
DF- Lúthien (Doriath) 2
DF- Cailín (Tol-in-Gaurhoth)
DF- Aulë (Taniquetil) 4
DF- Yavanna (Taniquetil) 4
MF- Lhunardawen (Tol-in-Gaurhoth) 3 + C
MF- Tar-Míriel (Rómena)
MF- Elwë (Doriath) 3
MF- Finrod (Nargothrond) 3
FW- Gwindor (Nargothrond) 4
FW- Túrin (Hithlum) 4

Total: 31


Form
G- Melian (Doriath) 4
DF- Lúthien (Doriath) 2
DF- Gandalf (Rivendell) 4
DF- Hookbill the Goomba (TIG) C
DF- Frodo (Alqualonde) C
MF- Amrod (Formenos) 1 + C
MF- Amras (Formenos) 1
MF- Aragorn II (Rivendell) 4
FW- Sauron (TIG) 4
FW- Isildur (Romena) 4
FW- Glorfindel (Rivendell) 4

Total: 28 + 3xC


Beasts and Beauties (Nog)
G- Huan (Formenos) 5
DF- Saeros (Doriath) 2 + C
DF- Caranthir (Formenos) 4
DF- Gelmir (Nargothrond) 2 + C
DF- Meneldil (Osgiliath) 4
MF- Idril (Gondolin) 5
MF- Nienna (Taniquetil) 1
MF- Nerdanel (Tuna) 3
FW- Ancalagon (Angband) 4 + C
FW- Smaug (Erebor) 4
FW- Nogrod (Tol-in-Gaurhoth) 4

Total: 38 + 3xC


McCaber
G- Melian (Doriath) 4
DF- Turgon (Gondolin)
DF- Gimli (Lothlorien) 2 + C
DF- Gandalf (Rivendell) 4
DF- Ulmo (Valimar) 4
MF- Melkor (Angband) 3 + C
MF- Boromir I (Minas Tirith) 5
MF- Elrohir (Rivendell) 1
FW- Gothmog (Angband) 4
FW- Ecthelion (Gondolin)4
FW- Maedhros (Formenos) 4

Total: 35 + 2xC


~*~

So after the first round the situation would be like the following...

1. Gwathagor 43
2. Lhuna 41
3. Skip 41
4. Anguirel 38
Nogrod 38
6. Cailín 37
7. Eomer 35
McCaber 35
9. Nilp 31
10. Elmo 29
11. Formendacil 28

[Nogrod]

Everyone should feel free to make changes to your teams if you wish!

It's up to tp to declare the deadline for it but I'd say do it sooner than later as the round two of the games will probably start soon...

[Gwathagor]

My players are a bunch of unruly hooligans. 3 yellow cards? Seriously?

[Nogrod]

I only now realised there was one more dragon I hadn't enlisted... Glaurung of the Nargothrond that is. I need to get him into my team but then I'd need to take out one of my beauties from the midfield... Looking at the points after the first round it would be Nienna but I will not lose her!

So it should be Nerdanel from Tuna who leaves my team.

But I also need to take a female aboard in the defence then... I'll bring forwards Nessa (of Taniquetil) to take the place of Gelmir (Nargothrond).

I'd like to change myself to Miriel in front but will not do it just yet.

So my team for the second round for now will be:

Beasts and Beauties (Nog)

G- Huan (Formenos)
DF- Saeros (Doriath)
DF- Caranthir (Formenos)
DF- Nessa (Taniquetil) (Gelmir of Nargothrond kicked out)
DF- Meneldil (Osgiliath)
MF- Idril (Gondolin)
MF- Nienna (Taniquetil)
MF- Glaurung (Nargothrond) (Nerdanel of Tuna kicked out)
FW- Ancalagon (Angband)
FW- Smaug (Erebor)
FW- Nogrod (Tol-in-Gaurhoth)

[Nogrod]

3 yellow cards? Seriously?That's according to the books... :p

[the phantom]

All right folks. Nogrod and I will be finished editing and deciding about points for the first round very soon, and we'd like to get the second round going as soon as possible.

If you wish to make trades on your fantasy team, do it like this-
++player name (team) (the player you are adding)
--player name (team) (the player you are booting)

And remember you can make as many trades as you'd like during this round. Round 2 begins in exactly 36 hours, so you have till then to make your trades.

[the phantom]

To help you with your selections, here is the schedule for Round 2.

GROUP A
Fornost vs Michel Delving
Rivendell vs Romena

GROUP B
Breeland vs Mirkwood
Edoras vs Tol-In-Gaurhoth

GROUP C
Alqualonde vs Isengard
Doriath vs Formenos

GROUP D
Lothlorien vs Umbar
Nargothrond vs Osgiliath

GROUP E
Gondor vs Tuna
Erebor vs Gondolin

GROUP F
Amon Rhud vs Helm's Deep
Armenelos vs Taniquetil

GROUP G
Minas Tirith vs Moria
Hithlum vs Mordor

GROUP H
Annuminas vs Valimar
Angband vs Brethil

Feel free to make predictions on the tournament thread as well as give your breakdowns on the events of Round 1.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

I have total faith in my players and will not drop any of them.

[Elmo]

:( That was a disaster of Entish proportions. I need time to think about the transfers :( :(

[skip spence]

I'd like to announce the following changes to my team:

Tar-Aldarion of Romena, who has been all too absent in defence, will be replaced by Gollum, the wing back of Lothlorien, whose sneaky runs I hope will result in a goal or two.

Eöl the Dark Elf will also have to pack his bags. He will be replaced with Gothmog II of Mordor who I believe has a lot to prove, trying to live up to his more illustrious namesake. Go on, show the world you're not just some anonymous grunt!

Updated team, now also in accordance with the rules:


Shadwell Army
G- Mandos (Taniquetil)
DF- Ulmo (Valimar)
DF- Aule (Taniquetil)
DF- Gollum (Lothlorien)
DF - Gothmog II (Mordor)
MF- Durin's Bane (Moria)
MF- Melkor (Angband)
MF- Earendil (Valimar)
FW- Turin (Hithlum)
FW- Nogrod (T-I-G)
FW- Ancalagon (Angband)

[the phantom]

To answer Skip's question on the other thread- because there are no backups players will never be suspended for a match.

[Nogrod]

I have corrected the tallies - there were some changes as I had forgotten to provide Helm's Deep and Lothlorien their defencive points...

Secondly I have taken away the points taken from the cards as tp thought we can't use that ruling on the first round of games as they weren't clearly introduced beforehand.

But note that from the upcoming second round of games onwards a yellow card will mean substracting one point from that player and a straight red card will mean -3 points.

[McCaber]

It seems to me that my team needs an additional defensive force. Turgon's main strategy is to hide in the face of danger - not exactly what I need.

-- Turgon (Gondolin)
++ Aule (Taniquetil)

Also, my midfield needs some strengthening. Elrohir has great technical skill, but he's not at his best in the open field.

--Elrohir
++ Hurin

The updated roster:

G- Melian (Doriath)
DF- Aule (Taniquetil)
DF- Gimli (Lothlorien)
DF- Gandalf (Rivendell)
DF- Ulmo (Valimar)
MF- Melkor (Angband)
MF- Boromir I (Minas Tirith)
MF- Hurin (Hithlum)
FW- Gothmog (Angband)
FW- Ecthelion (Gondolin)
FW- Maedhros (Formenos)

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Time to replace one mother-father-child team with another.

--Elwë (Doriath)
++Eomer (Tol-in-Gaurhoth)

Which means, instead of Melian-Elwë-Lúthien, I have the Cailín-Eomer-Lhuna set on my team now. :D

Updated roster:

Silmarillion Squad (Nilp)
G- Melian (Doriath)
DF- Lúthien (Doriath)
DF- Cailín (Tol-in-Gaurhoth)
DF- Aulë (Taniquetil)
DF- Yavanna (Taniquetil)
MF- Lhunardawen (Tol-in-Gaurhoth)
MF- Tar-Míriel (Rómena)
MF- Eomer (Tol-in-Gaurhoth)
MF- Finrod (Nargothrond)
FW- Gwindor (Nargothrond)
FW- Túrin (Hithlum)

[the phantom]

All right. Here are the updated fantasy teams. As soon as the first set of results from Round 2 gets posted you can no longer make trades. The first set of results will likely be posted in about an hour.

Gwath
G- Erkenbrand (Helm’s Deep)
DF- Celebrimbor (Formenos)
DF- Ulmo (Valimar)
DF- Gandalf (Rivendell)
MF- the phantom (TIG)
MF- Ar-Gimilzor (Armenelos)
MF- Melkor (Angband)
MF- Aredhel (Formenos)
MF- Grimbeorn (Mirkwood)
MF- Eomer (TIG)
FW- Maeglin (Gondolin)

Shadwell Army (Skip)
G- Mandos (Taniquetil)
DF- Ulmo (Valimar)
DF- Aule (Taniquetil)
DF- Gollum (Lothlorien)
DF - Gothmog II (Mordor)
MF- Durin's Bane (Moria)
MF- Melkor (Angband)
MF- Earendil (Valimar)
FW- Turin (Hithlum)
FW- Nogrod (T-I-G)
FW- Ancalagon (Angband)

Lhuna
G - Huan (Formenos)
DF - Luthien (Doriath)
DF - Ulmo (Valimar)
DF - Turgon (Gondolin)
MF - Fingon (Hithlum)
MF - Eowyn (Edoras)
MF - Finrod (Nargothrond)
MF - Eomer (Tol-in-Gaurhoth)
MF - the phantom (Tol-in-Gaurhoth)
MF - Varda (Taniquetil)
FW - Fingolfin (Hithlum)

Ang
G – Galadriel (Lothlorien)
DF – Goldberry (Breeland)
DF – Luthien (Doriath)
DF – Celegorm (Formenos)
DF – Curufin (Formenos)
MF – Daeron (Doriath)
MF – Maglor (Formenos)
MF – Finrod (Nargothrond)
FW – Maedhros (Formenos)
FW – Maeglin (Gondolin)
FW – Eomer (Edoras)

Beasts and Beauties (Nog)
G- Huan (Formenos)
DF- Saeros (Doriath)
DF- Caranthir (Formenos)
DF- Nessa (Taniquetil)
DF- Meneldil (Osgiliath)
MF- Idril (Gondolin)
MF- Nienna (Taniquetil)
MF- Glaurung (Nargothrond)
FW- Ancalagon (Angband)
FW- Smaug (Erebor)
FW- Nogrod (Tol-in-Gaurhoth)

Cailin
G - Old Man Willow (Breeland)
DF - Vana (Taniquetil)
DF - Luthien (Doriath)
DF - Yavanna (Taniquetil)
MF - Eomer of the Rohirrim (T-i-G)
MF - Treebeard (Isengard)
MF - Aredhel (Formenos)
MF - Aragorn (Rivendell)
MF - Boromir II (Rivendell)
MF - Bilbo (Alqualonde)
FW - The Witch King (Mordor)

The Rage of Ten Thousand Wargs (Eomer)
G - Elrond (Rivendell)
DF - Este (Taniquetil)
DF - Aule (Taniquetil)
DF - Cailin (T-I-G)
DF - Celeborn (Rivendell)
MF - Arien (Valimar)
MF - Melkor (Angband)
MF - the phantom (T-I-G)
FW - Feanor (Formenos)
FW - Gothmog (Angband)
FW - Tulkas (Valimar)

McCaber
G- Melian (Doriath)
DF- Aule (Taniquetil)
DF- Gimli (Lothlorien)
DF- Gandalf (Rivendell)
DF- Ulmo (Valimar)
MF- Melkor (Angband)
MF- Boromir I (Minas Tirith)
MF- Hurin (Hithlum)
FW- Gothmog (Angband)
FW- Ecthelion (Gondolin)
FW- Maedhros (Formenos)

Silmarillion Squad (Nilp)
G- Melian (Doriath)
DF- Lúthien (Doriath)
DF- Cailín (Tol-in-Gaurhoth)
DF- Aulë (Taniquetil)
DF- Yavanna (Taniquetil)
MF- Lhunardawen (Tol-in-Gaurhoth)
MF- Tar-Míriel (Rómena)
MF- Eomer (Tol-in-Gaurhoth)
MF- Finrod (Nargothrond)
FW- Gwindor (Nargothrond)
FW- Túrin (Hithlum)

Dwarves the Opposition (Elmo)
G- Melian (Doriath)
DF- Forweg (Amon Rhud)
DF- Aule (Taniquetil)
DF- Gram (Helm's Deep)
DF- Elendur (Annumunas)
MF- Melkor (Angband)
MF- Denethor II (Minas Tirith)
MF- Eomer (TIG)
FW- Azog (Moria)
FW- Ecthelion (Gondolin)
FW- Finwe (Tuna)

Form
G- Melian (Doriath)
DF- Lúthien (Doriath)
DF- Gandalf (Rivendell)
DF- Hookbill the Goomba (TIG)
DF- Frodo (Alqualonde)
MF- Amrod (Formenos)
MF- Amras (Formenos)
MF- Aragorn II (Rivendell)
FW- Sauron (TIG)
FW- Isildur (Romena)
FW- Glorfindel (Rivendell)

[Nogrod]

I seemed to have made my "trades" in the wrong manner in my post earlier...


Beasts and Beauties (Nog)

G- Huan (Formenos)
DF- Saeros (Doriath)
DF- Caranthir (Formenos)
DF- Nessa (Taniquetil) (Gelmir of Nargothrond kicked out)
DF- Meneldil (Osgiliath)
MF- Idril (Gondolin)
MF- Nienna (Taniquetil)
MF- Glaurung (Nargothrond) (Nerdanel of Tuna kicked out)
FW- Ancalagon (Angband)
FW- Smaug (Erebor)
FW- Nogrod (Tol-in-Gaurhoth)

So my two changes were and are:

-- Gelmir of Nargothrond
++ Nessa of Taniquetil

-- Nerdanel of Tuna
++ Glaurung of Nargothrond

Sorry.

[the phantom]

Ah, sorry Nog. I was thinking I had already updated your team. I have edited the list.

[the phantom]

After Nogrod posts the rest of the results from Round 2 you will once again be allowed to make unlimited trades on your fantasy team. Make sure and have the playoffs in mind as after the final round of group play you will only be allowed six trades before the playoffs (so half of your team had better be set already).

[Nogrod]

After Nogrod posts the rest of the results from Round 2 you will once again be allowed to make unlimited trades on your fantasy team. Make sure and have the playoffs in mind as after the final round of group play you will only be allowed six trades before the playoffs (so half of your team had better be set already).I'm on it... :) (Sorry, but I've had both RPG and WW obligations + Lommy came here this afternoon and we have been planning a game for the late summer together) Working on it right now...

[the phantom]

ALQUALONDE
G- Olwe- 3
DF- Earwen- 2
DF- Cirdan- 2
DF- Frodo- 2
DF- Elwing- 1
MF- Eriol- 0
MF- Lindo- 3
MF- Bilbo- 0
MF- Uinen- 3
FW- Osse- 4
FW- Gil-Galad- 4

AMON RHUD
G- Ebor- 4
DF- Sagroth- 4
DF- Forweg- 3
DF- Forhend- 4
MF- Avranc- 1
MF- Ragnir- 1
MF- Asgon- 3
MF- Gethron- 1
MF- Grithnir- 6
MF- Algund- 1
FW- Androg- 0

ANGBAND
G- Carcharoth- 5
DF- Balrog 2- 4
DF- Uldor- 3
DF- Balrog 3- 4
DF- Balrog 4- 4
MF- Balrog 5- 0
MF- Balrog 6- 4
MF- Ulfast- 6
MF- Melkor- 4
FW- Gothmog- 4
FW- Ancalagon- 0

ANNUMINAS
G- Arvedui- 1
DF- Tarcil- 0
DF- Elendur- 0
DF- Earendur- 0
DF- Tarandor- 0
MF- Arveleg- -1
MF- Argeleb- 5
MF- Eldacar- 0
MF- Arantar- 3
MF- Valandur- 3
FW- Araphor- 4

ARMENELOS
G- Elros- 4
DF- Tar Atanamir- 4
DF- Tar Ciryatan- 4
DF- Tar-Telperien- 4
MF- Ar Zimrathan- 1
MF- Tar Calmacil- 0
MF- Ar Adunakhor- 9
MF- Ar Gimilzor- 0
FW- Tar Ancalimon- 3
FW- Tar Minastir- 3
FW- Ar Pharazon- 8

BREELAND
G- Old Man Willow- 2
DF- Bob- 0
DF- Goldberry- 0
DF- Nob- -1
MF- Odo Proudfoot- 0
MF- Sardoc Brandybuck- -1
MF- Harry- 0
MF- Butterbur- 0
MF- The Barrow-Wight- 11
FW- Bill Ferny- 3
FW- Tom Bombadil- 8

BRETHIL
G- Hardang- 1
DF- Hundad- 0
DF- Nienor- 0
DF- Handir- 0
MF- Brandir- 0
MF- Manthor- 0
MF- Dorlas- -1
MF- Halmir- 0
MF- Hunthor- 0
MF- Haleth- 0
FW- Haldir- 0

DORIATH
G- Melian- 2
DF- Elured- 0
DF- Luthien- 0
DF- Elurin- 0
DF- Saeros- -1
MF- Nellas- 0
MF- Daeron- -1
MF- Dior- 0
MF- Elwe- -1
FW- Mablung- 3
FW- Beleg- 4

EDORAS
G- Theoden- 1
DF- Aldor- -1
DF- Folcwine- 0
DF- Frealaf- -1
MF- Thengel- 0
MF- Folca- 0
MF- Theodred- 3
MF- Brytta- -1
MF- Eowyn- 2
FW- Eomer- 3
FW- Eorl- 4

EREBOR
G- Bain- 1
DF- Nain- -1
DF- Thorin- 0
DF- Thror- 0
DF- Brand- 0
MF- Dain- 3
MF- Thrain- 0
MF- Girion- 0
MF- Beorn- 0
MF- Bard- 0
FW- Smaug- 3

FORMENOS
G- Huan- 2
DF- Celegorm- 2
DF- Caranthir- 1
DF- Curufin- 2
DF- Celebrimbor- 2
MF- Amrod- 0
MF- Amras- 0
MF- Maglor- 0
MF- Aredhel- 5
FW- Maedhros- 7
FW- Feanor- 2

FORNOST
G- Aragost- 3
DF- Aravir- 2
DF- Argonui- 2
DF- Arador- 1
DF- Amlaith- 2
MF- Aranuir- 0
MF- Arahad- 3
MF- Aranarth- 0
MF- Arassuil -3
FW- Arahael- 4
FW- Arathorn- 4

GONDOLIN
G- Tuor- 4
DF- Salgant- 2
DF- Galdor- 1
DF- Meleth- 2
DF- Turgon- 2
MF- Rog- 0
MF- Idril- 2
MF- Penlod- 0
MF- Eol- 5
FW- Ecthelion- 0
FW- Maeglin- 7

GONDOR
G- Beregond- 2
DF- Anardil- 0
DF- Atanatar I- 0
DF- Minalcar- 0
DF- Dervorin- 0
MF- Golasgil- 0
MF- Hirluin- 0
MF- Valacar- 2
MF- Calmacil- 0
FW- Faramir- 4
FW- Imrahil- 0

HELM’S DEEP
G- Erkenbrand- 2
DF- Gram- 2
DF- Walda- 2
DF- Goldwine- 2
MF- Brego- -1
MF- Hama- 0
MF- Fengel- -1
MF- Frea- 0
MF- Elfwine- 0
MF- Eomund- 0
FW- Helm- 0

HITHLUM
G- Huor- 1
DF- Galdor- 0
DF- Marach- 0
DF- Gundor- -1
DF- Hador- 0
MF- Angrod- -1
MF- Aegnor- 0
MF- Fingon- 5
MF- Hurin- 3
FW- Fingolfin- -1
FW- Turin- 7

ISENGARD
G- Beechbone- 1
DF- Snaga- 0
DF- Deor- -1
DF- Skinbark- 0
MF- Mauhur- 0
MF- Treebeard- 0
MF- Lugdush- 0
MF- Freawine- 0
MF- Quickbeam- 3
FW- Ugluk- 3
FW- Saruman- 0

LOTHLORIEN
G- Galadriel- 4
DF- Gollum- 1
DF- Arwen- 2
DF- Gimli- 2
DF- Celebrian- 2
MF- Nimrodel- 0
MF- Rumil- -1
MF- Orophin- -1
MF- Amroth- 5
MF- Haldir- 3
FW- Eldarion- 0

MICHEL DELVING
G- Sam- 1
DF- Bungo- 0
DF- Drogo- 0
DF- Gerontius- -1
DF- Lotho- o
MF- Ted Sandyman- -1
MF- Fatty- 2
MF- Gaffer- 0
FW- Merry- 4
FW- Pippin- 0
FW- Bullroarer- 0

MINAS TIRITH
G- Ecthelion II- 1
DF- Calimehtar- 0
DF- Ondoher- 0
DF- Earnil II- -1
DF- Beregond- 0
MF- Turin II- 0
MF- Denethor II- -1
MF- Telumehtar- 0
MF- Boromir I- 3
MF- Mardil- 8
FW- Earnur- 4

MIRKWOOD
G- Oropher- 1
DF- Lagduf- -1
DF- Galion- -1
DF- Muzgash- 0
DF- Gorbag- 0
MF- Nazgul #8- 0
MF- Grishnakh- 5
MF- Grimbeorn- 2
FW- Thranduil- 3
FW- Legolas- 7
FW- Scatha- 4

MORDOR
G- Shelob- 2
DF- Nazgul #7- 0
DF- Shagrat- 0
DF- Gothmog II- 0
DF- Nazgul #6- 0
MF- Nazgul #5- -1
MF- Nazgul #4- 0
MF- Nazgul #3- -1
MF- The Mouth- 3
FW- Khamul- 4
FW- The Witch King- 4

MORIA
G- Watcher- 0
DF- Kili- 0
DF- Ohtar- 0
DF- Oin- 0
DF- Great Goblin- 0
MF- Narvi- 0
MF- Balin- 3
MF- Bolg- -2
MF- Durin- 3
MF- Durin’s Bane- 4
FW- Azog- 4

NARGOTHROND
G- Beor- 2
DF- Bregolas- 2
DF- Bregor- 1
DF- Belegund- 2
DF- Gelmir- 2
MF- Baragund- 0
MF- Barahir- 0
MF- Glaurung- 4
MF- Finrod- 3
MF- Beren- 5
FW-Gwindor- 3

OSGILIATH
G- Romendacil- 0
DF- Meneldil- 0
DF- Siriondil- 0
DF- Cemendur- 0
MF- Telemnar- 0
MF- Narmacil- 0
MF- Earnil- 0
MF- Ostoher- 0
MF- Falastur- 3
MF- Eldacar- 5
FW- Hyarmendacil- 0

RIVENDELL
G- Elrond- 5
DF- Gildor- 4
DF- Celeborn- 4
DF- Erestor- 4
DF- Gandalf- 4
MF- Valandil- 0
MF- Elladen- 1
MF- Elrohir- 1
MF- Aragorn- 4
MF- Boromir II- 1
FW- Glorfindel- 4

ROMENA
G- Amandil- 2
DF- Tar Meneldur- 2
DF- Tar Elendil- 2
DF- Vardamir- 2
DF- Tar Aldarion- 1
MF- Anarion- 0
MF- Tar Miriel- 0
MF- Tar Surion- -1
MF- Tar Palantir- 0
MF- Elendil- 0
FW- Isildur- 0

TANIQUETIL
G- Mandos- 2
DF- Este- 0
DF- Vana- 0
DF- Nessa- 0
DF- Aule- -1
DF- Yavanna- -3
MF- Nienna- 0
MF- Thorondor- -1
MF- Varda- -1
MF- Manwe- 0
FW- Lorien- 0

TUNA
G- Orodreth- 3
DF- Elenwe- 2
DF- Guilen- 2
DF- Ingwe- 2
DF- Duilin- 2
MF- Egalmoth- -1
MF- Finarfin- 3
MF- Nerdanel- 3
FW- Mahal- 4
FW- Finwe- 7
FW- Miriel- 4

UMBAR
G- Pelendur- 3
DF- Calimehtar- 2
DF- Ulrad- 1
DF- Brodda- 2
DF- Folcred- 2
MF- Angamaite- 0
MF- Sangahyando- -1
MF- Fastred- -1
FW- Beruthiel- 0
FW- Nazgul #9- 3
FW- Castamir- 4

VALIMAR
G- Ungolient- 1
DF- Ulmo- 0
DF- Alatar- 0
DF- Pallando- 0
DF- Radagast- 0
MF- Arien- 0
MF- Orome- 2
MF- Tilion- 5
MF- Earendil- 5
FW- Tulkas- 0
FW- Eonwe- 3

TOL-IN-GAURHOTH
G- Drauglin- 2
DF- Hookbill- 0
DF- Gwathagor- 0
DF- Cailin- -1
MF- Lhuna- 0
MF- Thuringwethil- -1
MF- Eomer- 3
MF- the phantom- 8
FW- Formendacil- 3
FW- Nogrod- 0
FW- Sauron- 7

[the phantom]

Nogrod or I will officially add your points and post standings and such here in the next 24 hours or so. We'll also give a deadline for trades.

But for right now, trade all you'd like! :)

Remember, this is your last chance to make unlimited adjustments to your fantasy team.

Group standings and final games...

--GROUP A--
Rivendell 6 pts 3-0
Romena 3 pts 2-2
Fornost 3 pts 2-3
Michel Delving 0 pts 2-4

Fornost vs Romena
Michel Delving vs Rivendell

--GROUP B--
Tol-In-Gaurhoth 6 pts 6-4
Edoras 3 pts 5-5
Mirkwood 1 pts 5-6
Breeland 1 pts 5-6

Breeland vs TIG
Edoras vs Mirkwood

--GROUP C--
Formenos 6 pts 4-1
Doriath 3 pts 3-3
Alqualonde 3 pts 2-3
Isengard 0 pts 2-4

Formenos vs Isengard
Alqualonde vs Doriath

--GROUP D--
Nargothrond 6 pts 5-2
Osgiliath 3 pts 2-2
Lothlorien 1 pts 1-2
Umbar 1 pts 2-4

Lothlorien vs Nargothrond
Osgiliath vs Umbar

--GROUP E--
Gondolin 6 pts 5-3
Tuna 3 pts 5-4
Erebor 3 pts 3-3
Gondor 0 pts 2-5

Erebor vs Tuna
Gondolin vs Gondor

--GROUP F--
Armenelos 6 pts 5-0
Amon Rhud 3 pts 1-2
Taniquetil 3 pts 1-3
Helm's Deep 0 pts 0-2

Armenelos vs Helm's Deep
Amon Rhud vs Taniquetil

--GROUP G--
Hithlum 4 pts 5-3
Mordor 4 pts 4-3
Minas Tirith 1 pts 3-4
Moria 1 pts 3-5

Hithlum vs Minas Tirith
Mordor vs Moria

--GROUP H--
Angband 4 pts 4-2
Valimar 4 pts 4-2
Annuminas 2 pts 4-4
Brethil 0 pts 0-4

Annuminas vs Brethil
Angband vs Valimar

[the phantom]

Gwath- 37
G- Erkenbrand (Helm’s Deep)- 2
DF- Celebrimbor (Formenos)- 2
DF- Ulmo (Valimar)- 0
DF- Gandalf (Rivendell)- 4
MF- the phantom (TIG)- 8
MF- Ar-Gimilzor (Armenelos)- 0
MF- Melkor (Angband)- 4
MF- Aredhel (Formenos)- 5
MF- Grimbeorn (Mirkwood)- 2
MF- Eomer (TIG)- 3
FW- Maeglin (Gondolin)- 7

Shadwell Army (Skip)- 22
G- Mandos (Taniquetil)- 2
DF- Ulmo (Valimar)- 0
DF- Aule (Taniquetil)- -1
DF- Gollum (Lothlorien)- 1
DF - Gothmog II (Mordor)- 0
MF- Durin's Bane (Moria)- 4
MF- Melkor (Angband)- 4
MF- Earendil (Valimar)- 5
FW- Turin (Hithlum)- 7
FW- Nogrod (T-I-G)- 0
FW- Ancalagon (Angband)- 0

Lhuna- 23
G - Huan (Formenos)- 2
DF - Luthien (Doriath)- 0
DF - Ulmo (Valimar)- 0
DF - Turgon (Gondolin)- 2
MF - Fingon (Hithlum)- 5
MF - Eowyn (Edoras)- 2
MF - Finrod (Nargothrond)- 3
MF - Eomer (Tol-in-Gaurhoth)- 3
MF - the phantom (Tol-in-Gaurhoth)- 8
MF - Varda (Taniquetil)- -1
FW - Fingolfin (Hithlum)- -1

Ang- 27
G – Galadriel (Lothlorien)- 4
DF – Goldberry (Breeland)- 0
DF – Luthien (Doriath)- 0
DF – Celegorm (Formenos)- 2
DF – Curufin (Formenos)- 2
MF – Daeron (Doriath)- -1
MF – Maglor (Formenos)- 0
MF – Finrod (Nargothrond)- 3
FW – Maedhros (Formenos)- 7
FW – Maeglin (Gondolin)- 7
FW – Eomer (Edoras)- 3

Beasts and Beauties (Nog)- 11
G- Huan (Formenos)- 2
DF- Saeros (Doriath)- -1
DF- Caranthir (Formenos)- 1
DF- Nessa (Taniquetil)- 0
DF- Meneldil (Osgiliath)- 0
MF- Idril (Gondolin)- 2
MF- Nienna (Taniquetil)- 0
MF- Glaurung (Nargothrond)- 4
FW- Ancalagon (Angband)- 0
FW- Smaug (Erebor)- 3
FW- Nogrod (Tol-in-Gaurhoth)- 0

Cailin- 16
G - Old Man Willow (Breeland)- 2
DF - Vana (Taniquetil)- 0
DF - Luthien (Doriath)- 0
DF - Yavanna (Taniquetil)- -3
MF - Eomer of the Rohirrim (T-i-G)- 3
MF - Treebeard (Isengard)- 0
MF - Aredhel (Formenos)- 5
MF - Aragorn (Rivendell)- 4
MF - Boromir II (Rivendell)- 1
MF - Bilbo (Alqualonde)- 0
FW - The Witch King (Mordor)- 4

The Rage of Ten Thousand Wargs (Eomer)- 25
G - Elrond (Rivendell)- 5
DF - Este (Taniquetil)- 0
DF - Aule (Taniquetil)- -1
DF - Cailin (T-I-G)- -1
DF - Celeborn (Rivendell)- 4
MF - Arien (Valimar)- 0
MF - Melkor (Angband)- 4
MF - the phantom (T-I-G)- 8
FW - Feanor (Formenos)- 2
FW - Gothmog (Angband)- 4
FW - Tulkas (Valimar)- 0

McCaber- 28
G- Melian (Doriath)- 2
DF- Aule (Taniquetil)- -1
DF- Gimli (Lothlorien)- 2
DF- Gandalf (Rivendell)- 4
DF- Ulmo (Valimar)- 0
MF- Melkor (Angband)- 4
MF- Boromir I (Minas Tirith)- 3
MF- Hurin (Hithlum)- 3
FW- Gothmog (Angband)- 4
FW- Ecthelion (Gondolin)- 0
FW- Maedhros (Formenos)- 7

Silmarillion Squad (Nilp)- 13
G- Melian (Doriath)- 2
DF- Lúthien (Doriath)- 0
DF- Cailín (Tol-in-Gaurhoth)- -1
DF- Aulë (Taniquetil)- -1
DF- Yavanna (Taniquetil)- -3
MF- Lhunardawen (Tol-in-Gaurhoth)- 0
MF- Tar-Míriel (Rómena)- 0
MF- Eomer (Tol-in-Gaurhoth)- 3
MF- Finrod (Nargothrond)- 3
FW- Gwindor (Nargothrond)- 3
FW- Túrin (Hithlum)- 7

Dwarves the Opposition (Elmo)- 23
G- Melian (Doriath)- 2
DF- Forweg (Amon Rhud)- 3
DF- Aule (Taniquetil)- -1
DF- Gram (Helm's Deep)- 2
DF- Elendur (Annumunas)- 0
MF- Melkor (Angband)- 4
MF- Denethor II (Minas Tirith)- -1
MF- Eomer (TIG)- 3
FW- Azog (Moria)- 4
FW- Ecthelion (Gondolin)- 0
FW- Finwe (Tuna)- 7

Form- 23
G- Melian (Doriath)- 2
DF- Lúthien (Doriath)- 0
DF- Gandalf (Rivendell)- 4
DF- Hookbill the Goomba (TIG)- 0
DF- Frodo (Alqualonde)- 2
MF- Amrod (Formenos)- 0
MF- Amras (Formenos)- 0
MF- Aragorn II (Rivendell)- 4
FW- Sauron (TIG)- 7
FW- Isildur (Romena)- 0
FW- Glorfindel (Rivendell)- 4

[the phantom]

1. Gwathagor- 80
2. Anguirel- 65
3. Lhuna- 64
4. Skip- 63
-- McCaber- 63
6. Eomer- 60
7. Cailín- 53
8. Elmo- 52
9. Formendacil- 51
10. Nogrod- 49
11. Nilp- 44

There's still a regular round to go, plus prediction points, playoff points, etc... Everyone is still in this contest.

I will give you all 48 hours from this post to get your fantasy teams set for Round 3.

Remember, after Round 3 you are only allowed six trades, so make sure and have your roster filled with likely playoff participants. Also, no more than four from one single team. I think I forgot to mention that at the beginning.

[Nogrod]

How low can one get? :o

I trusted my team's players as they're my favourites and just look at the drop in my standings...

Uh-Oh.

The trust and love are now under trial I must say...

But love prevails! Or then not...

I need to think. Four dragons in a team added with a host of the most glorious females around just feels soo good. But if they don't perform?

I'll probably change myself to Miriel at least... but that's to be decided...


The Arda Kicker Magazine's stars for round two are coming a bit later!

[the phantom]

Yes, bad luck that round, Nog. You just have the wrong beauties playing for you. Don't trust those Taniquetil girls- they think they're too good for guys like us. You'll have better luck with the ones here in Middle Earth. :D

Galadriel and Melian have been good for points. And Aredhel, Idril, Nerdanel, and Miriel have been performing quite well.

A shame no one had The Barrow-Wight on their team. That last round was plain ridiculous. :eek:

[Nogrod]

You may be right with those western ladies... I'll think of that even if will not let go of Nienna, she will make her mark one day... I hope...



But a serious question then.

Have you tp ever told us the way the play-offs will go?

I asked that already a while ago but haven't noticed an answer... So will it go like the best of group A against the second of group H etc... or will there be a divide in the middle, like the best of group A against the second group D and the best of group E against the best of group H etc...?

That I think is a most valuable information right now as then we could predict which teams will face each other in the first round of the play-offs. And that might influence our choices...

[the phantom]

Ah, very sorry Nogrod. I meant to answer that question once before but for some reason I wasn't able to (had to leave for an activity or something). And since then I've forgotten.

The playoffs will match winners of groups with 2nd place finishers of groups in this fashion-

A-H
B-G
C-F
D-E
E-D
F-C
G-B
H-A

[Nogrod]

No problem. That's clear.

[McCaber]

Well, I am wholly satisfied with my team as is for the first round, but I'm getting worried about round II. While Boromir I is putting up good numbers for me, his team looks to be going nowhere. So I'm dropping him and adding in the phantom. A proven leader and scorer, he and Melkor should give me a solid midfield.

--Boromir I (Minas Tirith)
++the phantom (Tol-in-Gaurhoth)

Also, a pair of defenders are neither going anywhere or giving me any points. Aule and Gimli get the boot.

--Aule (Taniquetil)
++Tar Atanamir (Armenelos)

--Gimli (Lothlorien)
++ Belegund (Nargothrond)

New roster:

G- Melian (Doriath)
DF- Tar Atanamri (Armenelos)
DF- Belegund (Nargothrond)
DF- Gandalf (Rivendell)
DF- Ulmo (Valimar)
MF- Melkor (Angband)
MF- the phantom (Tol-in-Gaurhoth)
MF- Hurin (Hithlum)
FW- Gothmog (Angband)
FW- Ecthelion (Gondolin)
FW- Maedhros (Formenos)

[Gwathagor]

--Erkenbrand

++Elrond (Rivendell)


--Ulmo

++Tar-Atanamir (Armenelos)


--Ar-Gimilzor

++Ar-Adunakhor (Armenelos)


--Grimbeorn

++Eol (Gondolin)


Updated team:

G- Elrond (Rivendell)
DF- Celebrimbor (Formenos)
DF- Tar-Atanamir (Armenelos)
DF- Gandalf (Rivendell)
MF- the phantom (TIG)
MF- Ar-Adunakhor (Armenelos)
MF- Melkor (Angband)
MF- Aredhel (Formenos)
MF- Eol (Gondolin)
MF- Eomer (TIG)
FW- Maeglin (Gondolin)

Prepare for further domination.

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

The playoffs will match winners of groups with 2nd place finishers of groups in this fashion-

A-H
B-G
C-F
D-E
E-D
F-C
G-B
H-A (le phantome)Ooh, so the bracket I used for mapping my predicted winner was correct! Heehee.

Alas that my players aren't doing so well . . .

How low can one get? :o (Nogrod)Don't feel too bad, at least there's someone below you in the overall standings. :o

Ah, well, time to be greedy and callous, methinks.

Two of the best defensive teams are Rivendell and Armenelos, therefore:

--Melian
++Elrond

--Lúthien
++Tar-Atanamir

--Cailín
++Celeborn

--Aulë
++Tar-Telperiën

**phantom, can we change formations, too???

If my actions are legal, then I'll change one of my defenders into a midfielder.

--Yavanna
++Beren

--Lhunardawen
++the phantom

--Tar-Míriel
++Glaurung

Then change one of my forwards for a midfielder (again, if it is legal).

--Gwindor
++Ar Adûnakhôr

So, the updated roster (if allowed):

Silmarillion Squad (Nilp)
GK - Elrond (Rivendell)
DF - Celeborn (Rivendell)
DF - Tar-Telperiën (Armenelos)
DF - Tar-Atanamir (Armenelos)
MF - Beren (Nargothrond)
MF - Finrod (Nargothrond)
MF - Glaurung (Nargothrond)
MF - Eomer (Tol-in-Gaurhoth)
MF - the phantom (Tol-in-Gaurhoth)
MF - Ar-Adûnakhôr (Armenelos)
FW - Túrin (Hithlum)

[skip spence]

++ Celeborn (Rivendell)
- - Gothmog II (Mordor)

Celeborn has impressed me so far. Without his wife Galadriel to rely on he has stepped up his game and started to take some real responsability.

++ Tom Bombadill (Breeland)
- - Noggrod (T-I-G)

Although it is doubtful Breeland will make it into the knock-out stage of the tournament I can't resist pairing up the yellow boots of Bombadill with the back boots of Turin up front. From Nogrod I expected more sisu to be honest.

++ The Phantom (T-I-G)
- - Ancalagon (Angband)

Previously unknown in ME footballing circles, The Phantom is proving himself at the top level with some inventive play.

++ The Witch King (Mordor)
- - Durin's Bane (Moria)

Although Durin's Bane has performed well so far I don't think he will feature in the second round. To replace him is The Witch King who I believe is an asset for any team. His black breath makes him almost impossible to man-mark and his great compoure in the penalty area means he can set up teammates as well as finishing the moves off himself.

Although my defence let me and themselves down in the last round I will keep faith in them. I chalk down Taniquetil's debacle as underestimation of the opposition. The Pelóri will not crumble a second time!

Updated rooster:

Shadwell Army
G- Mandos (Taniquetil)
DF- Ulmo (Valimar)
DF- Aule (Taniquetil)
DF- Gollum (Lothlorien)
DF - Celeborn (Rivendell)
MF- Melkor (Angband)
MF- Eärendil (Valimar)
MF- The Phantom (T-I-G)
FW - The Witch King (Mordor)
FW- Turin (Hithlum)
FW- Tom Bombadill (Breeland)

[the phantom]

Yes Nilp, you may change formations (so long as the new one is legal, of course).

[Nogrod]

I know now what has haunted my team. It has not been true to itself.

Therefore I'm throwing out all those players who can not be characterised as being either a beauty (a shorthand for a female) or a beast.

I wawered a bit with Caranthir as Lommy noted that he's both and thence should not be shown the door. :)

So my changes are as follows:

To the defence I make a host of changes.

-- Meneldil (Osgiliath)
++ Yavanna (Taniquetil)

-- Saeros (Doriath)
++ Cailín (Tol-In-Gaurhoth)

-- Caranthir (Formenos)
++ Tar Telperien (Armenelos)

From the midfield I'm forced to let Nienna go :(. I thought of resigning Nerdanel but she would bare a grunt against me and would not play well just to annoy me...

-- Nienna (Taniquetil)
++ Aredhel (Formenos)

And it is also time to get rid of myself as well (I'm seeing already myself making a hat-trick in the last group-game...). I'd have loved to take in The Witch King but quite a many of you have already signed him and it's boring if everyone has the same teams. So the idea of four dragons in front of my team should be quite impressive!

-- Nogrod (Tol-In-Gaurhoth)
++ Scatha (Mirkwood)


All that results in the following line-up:

Beasts and Beauties (Nog)

G- Huan (Formenos)

DF- Tar Telperien (Armenelos)
DF- Cailín (Tol-In-Gaurhoth)
DF- Nessa (Taniquetil)
DF- Yavanna (Taniquetil)

MF- Idril (Gondolin)
MF- Aredhel (Formenos)
MF- Glaurung (Nargothrond)

FW- Ancalagon (Angband)
FW- Smaug (Erebor)
FW- Scatha (Mirkwood)


These one's are not the current point-leaders but they will show you some nice football. Of that I'm confident! :p

[Formendacil]

Okay, let's do some remixing on this team of mine...
Both Elrond and Elros have been astounding in goal, whereas great-great-grandmother Melian has been only passable. Armenelos ahs the more impressive-looking record thus far (taking down Tanquetil of all teams), so:

--Melian, ++Elro

Thus far, Alqualondë has not been a particularly impressive team, and I don't give them good enough odds to survive the next match, so:

--Frodo, ++Balrog #2: even if Angband isn't first seed for its group, they're still contending.

We'll kick one of the Fëanorian twins off midfield and replace him with Ar-Adunakhor.

Isildur is out also, and we'll go with a forward off of Nargothrond:

--Isildur, ++Gwindor

Finally, given how well I seem to be doing, we'll switch up TiG forwards:

--Sauron, ++Formendacil

--Amras, ++Ar-Adunakhor

G- Elros
DF- Lúthien
DF- Gandalf
DF- Hookbill the Goomba
DF- Balrog #2
MF- Amrod
MF- Ar-Adunakhor
MF- Aragorn II
FW- Formendacil
FW- Gwindor
FW- Glorfindel

[Nogrod]

The playoffs will match winners of groups with 2nd place finishers of groups in this fashion-

A-H
B-G
C-F
D-E
E-D
F-C
G-B
H-AHow about the next round? Are the matches divided then so that the teams from the same initial group can not meet? I mean going with the same logic - first game vs. last game might bring teams against each other who have already played each other. If fex. the best teams of group H both beat their opponents from group A then they would play against each other on the next round again...

An option would be to cut the list in two in the middle.

Then it would follow that
A1-H2 - D1-E2
B1-G2 - C1-F2
and
E1-D2 - F1-C2
G1-B2 - H1-E2

etc...

[the phantom]

How about the next round? Are the matches divided then so that the teams from the same initial group can not meet?
I assumed we would go basic bracket format. Following the given format (A vs H, B vs G, etc), the winners and losers of groups are already in opposite sides of the draw, therefore they cannot meet until the final.

Match 1: A1-H2
--------------------Match 9: 1 Winner vs 2 Winner
Match 2: B1-G2
------------------------------------------------------------Match 13: 9 Winner vs 10 Winner
Match 3: C1-F2
--------------------Match 10: 3 Winner vs 4 Winner
Match 4: D1-E2
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Finals
Match 5: E1-D2
--------------------Match 11: 5 Winner vs 6 Winner
Match 6: F1-C2
-------------------------------------------------------------Match 14: 11 Winner vs 12 Winner
Match 7: G1-B2
--------------------Match 12: 7 Winner vs 8 Winner
Match 8: H1-A2

[Nogrod]

That looks perfectly fine!

[the phantom]

Because of the way schedules have worked out, you all have another 22 hours to set your fantasy rosters. And then round 3 results will begin coming out.

[Nogrod]

As the seconds ticked away both squads seemed determined to eliminate their foes from contention, but the defenses held, and the game ended with a 2-2 tie. Many of the fans were confused, wondering what that result would mean for the group standings. And then the group point totals flashed on the screen.

Annuminas- 5
Angband- 5
Valimar- 5

A three way tie!

And then the goal differentials-

Annuminas +1
Angband +2
Valimar +2

The orcs and dragons sent up a mighty cheer as their team would be advancing to the playoffs. The only question left- who had won the group? Valimar or Angband?I think one way that has been used in this kind of a situation is the number of goals scored. So the team that has scored more goals is the team #1. If even that is even then you need to create something like a penalty shoot-out competition or just throw a coin (even that has been done in RL!).

I'll try to write the group G results before going to sleep - if I just stay awake...

[the phantom]

If even that is even then you need to create something like a penalty shoot-out competition
Yes, that's what they'll do.

I'll post the shoot-out after the group G results are up.

[Nogrod]

I'll post the shoot-out after the group G results are up.Up they are...

[the phantom]

As soon as the shoot-out result is up, if Nilp would be so kind as to put up another one of those lovely group charts. :)

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Please wait. :)

[skip spence]

So, what will happen if the scores are even after 90 min in the knock-out stages?

The standard 2*15 min extra time and a penalty shootout if nessesary?

And how will goals in extra time be delt with? I believe the "silver goal"-rule (I think that's what they call it: what a drab name huh) is normally used nowadays; that is, after a goal in extra time the ref will end the match when the 15 minute period they are playing in at this time concludes, unless the score is once again tied, in which event the match would be allowed to continue.

Hm. Later today I have to give some thought to my transfers as I believe quite a few of my players have been eliminated, and some others stand to be eliminated in the last 16. How the mighty have fallen!

[Nogrod]

ALQUALONDE
G- Olwe 1
DF- Earwen
DF- Cirdan
DF- Frodo
DF- Elwing
MF- Eriol -1
MF- Lindo
MF- Bilbo 3
MF- Uinen 3
FW- Osse 3
FW- Gil-Galad 4

AMON RHUD
G- Ebor 3
DF- Sagroth 2
DF- Forweg 2
DF- Forhend 1
MF- Avranc
MF- Ragnir
MF- Asgon
MF- Gethron -1
MF- Grithnir
MF- Algund 3
FW- Androg 4

ANGBAND
G- Carcharoth 1
DF- Balrog #2 -1
DF- Uldor
DF- Balrog #3 -1
DF- Balrog #4
MF- Balrog #5
MF- Balrog #6
MF- Ulfast -1
MF- Melkor 8
FW- Gothmog 3
FW- Ancalagon 4

ANNUMINAS
G- Arvedui -3
DF- Tarcil 2
DF- Elendur 1
DF- Earendur 2
DF- Tarandor 2
MF- Arveleg -1
MF- Argeleb
MF- Eldacar
MF- Arantar 4
MF- Valandur 3
FW- Araphor 7

ARMENELOS
G- Elros 5
DF- Tar Atanamir 3
DF- Tar Ciryatan 4
DF- Tar-Telperien 3
MF- Ar Zimrathan 1
MF- Tar Calmacil 1
MF- Ar Adunakhor 1
MF- Ar Gimilzor 1
FW- Tar Ancalimon 3
FW- Tar Minastir 8
FW- Ar Pharazon 7

BREELAND
G- Old Man Willow 1
DF- Bob
DF- Goldberry -1
DF- Nob
MF- Odo Proudfoot
MF- Sardoc Brandybuck
MF- Harry -1
MF- Butterbur
MF- The Barrow-Wight
FW- Bill Ferny -1
FW- Tom Bombadil

BRETHIL
G- Hardang 1
DF- Hundad
DF- Nienor
DF- Handir -1
MF- Brandir
MF- Manthor -1
MF- Dorlas -1
MF- Halmir
MF- Hunthor 2
MF- Haleth 5
FW- Haldir

DORIATH
G- Melian 1
DF- Elured
DF- Luthien
DF- Elurin -1
DF- Saeros -1
MF- Nellas 3
MF- Daeron
MF- Dior 5
MF- Elwe 3
FW- Mablung 4
FW- Beleg 4

EDORAS
G- Theoden 2
DF- Aldor
DF- Folcwine -1
DF- Frealaf
MF- Thengel -1
MF- Folca -1
MF- Theodred
MF- Brytta -1
MF- Eowyn 8
FW- Eomer
FW- Eorl 4

EREBOR
G- Bain 1
DF- Nain
DF- Thorin
DF- Thror -1
DF- Brand
MF- Dain
MF- Thrain -1
MF- Girion 8
MF- Beorn
MF- Bard 2
FW- Smaug 4

FORMENOS
G- Huan 4
DF- Celegorm 4
DF- Caranthir 3
DF- Curufin 4
DF- Celebrimbor 7
MF- Amrod 1
MF- Amras 1
MF- Maglor 1
MF- Aredhel 9
FW- Maedhros 4
FW- Feanor 7

FORNOST
G- Aragost 2
DF- Aravir 2
DF- Argonui 2
DF- Arador 2
DF- Amlaith 1
MF- Aranuir
MF- Arahad -1
MF- Aranarth 5
MF- Arassuil
FW- Arahael 7
FW- Arathorn 3

GONDOLIN
G- Tuor 3
DF- Salgant 1
DF- Galdor 2
DF- Meleth 2
DF- Turgon 2
MF- Rog
MF- Idril
MF- Penlod 2
MF- Eol 11
FW- Ecthelion 4
FW- Maeglin 4

GONDOR
G- Beregond 1
DF- Anardil
DF- Atanatar I
DF- Minalcar -1
DF- Dervorin
MF- Golasgil
MF- Hirluin
MF- Valacar
MF- Calmacil -1
FW- Faramir 3
FW- Imrahil 4

HELM’S DEEP
G- Erkenbrand 1
DF- Gram
DF- Walda
DF- Goldwine -1
MF- Brego
MF- Hama
MF- Fengel -1
MF- Frea
MF- Elfwine
MF- Eomund
FW- Helm -1

HITHLUM
G- Huor 3
DF- Galdor 2
DF- Marach 1
DF- Gundor 2
DF- Hador 2
MF- Angrod -1
MF- Aegnor -1
MF- Fingon 3
MF- Hurin 8
FW- Fingolfin
FW- Turin 4

ISENGARD
G- Beechbone
DF- Snaga
DF- Deor
DF- Skinbark -1
MF- Mauhur
MF- Treebeard
MF- Lugdush
MF- Freawine
MF- Quickbeam -1
FW- Ugluk
FW- Saruman

LOTHLORIEN
G- Galadriel 1
DF- Gollum -1
DF- Arwen
DF- Gimli
DF- Celebrian
MF- Nimrodel -1
MF- Rumil
MF- Orophin
MF- Amroth -1
MF- Haldir
FW- Eldarion

MICHEL DELVING
G- Sam
DF- Bungo
DF- Drogo
DF- Gerontius
DF- Lotho -1
MF- Ted Sandyman
MF- Fatty
MF- Gaffer -1
FW- Merry
FW- Pippin
FW- Bullroarer

MINAS TIRITH
G- Ecthelion II 2
DF- Calimehtar
DF- Ondoher
DF- Earnil II
DF- Beregond -1
MF- Turin II
MF- Denethor II
MF- Telumehtar -1
MF- Boromir I 3
MF- Mardil
FW- Earnur 4

MIRKWOOD
G- Oropher 2
DF- Lagduf
DF- Galion
DF- Muzgash -1
DF- Gorbag
MF- Nazgul #8 2
MF- Grishnakh -1
MF- Grimbeorn
FW- Thranduil 8
FW- Legolas 4
FW- Scatha 4

MORDOR
G- Shelob 1
DF- Nazgul #7
DF- Shagrat -1
DF- Gothmog II
DF- Nazgul #6
MF- Nazgul #5 -1
MF- Nazgul #4 -1
MF- Nazgul #3 5
MF- The Mouth 8
FW- Khamul 3
FW- The Witch King 7

MORIA
G- Watcher 1
DF- Kili
DF- Ohtar -1
DF- Oin
DF- Great Goblin -1
MF- Narvi -1
MF- Balin
MF- Bolg 8
MF- Durin -1
MF- Durin’s Bane
FW- Azog 7

NARGOTHROND
G- Beor 5
DF- Bregolas 4
DF- Bregor 4
DF- Belegund 4
DF- Gelmir 4
MF- Baragund 4
MF- Barahir 0
MF- Glaurung 1
MF- Finrod 9
MF- Beren 1
FW-Gwindor 4

OSGILIATH
G- Romendacil 1
DF- Meneldil
DF- Siriondil
DF- Cemendur -1
MF- Telemnar
MF- Narmacil
MF- Earnil 5
MF- Ostoher -1
MF- Falastur 3
MF- Eldacar 8
FW- Hyarmendacil

RIVENDELL
G- Elrond 4
DF- Gildor 4
DF- Celeborn 4
DF- Erestor 4
DF- Gandalf 4
MF- Valandil 1
MF- Elladan 0
MF- Elrohir 1
MF- Aragorn 6
MF- Boromir II 9
FW- Glorfindel

ROMENA
G- Amandil
DF- Tar Meneldur
DF- Tar Elendil
DF- Vardamir -1
DF- Tar Aldarion
MF- Anarion -1
MF- Tar Miriel
MF- Tar Surion
MF- Tar Palantir 3
MF- Elendil
FW- Isildur 4

TANIQUETIL
G- Mandos 2
DF- Este 1
DF- Vana 2
DF- Nessa 2
DF- Aule 2
DF- Yavanna 2
MF- Nienna
MF- Thorondor 4
MF- Varda
MF- Manwe
FW- Lorien 3

TUNA
G- Orodreth 1
DF- Elenwe
DF- Guilen
DF- Ingwe -1
DF- Duilin
MF- Egalmoth
MF- Finarfin
MF- Nerdanel 11
FW- Mahal
FW- Finwe
FW- Miriel 11

UMBAR
G- Pelendur 2
DF- Calimehtar -1
DF- Ulrad
DF- Brodda -1
DF- Folcred
MF- Angamaite 5
MF- Sangahyando
MF- Fastred 3
FW- Beruthiel 8
FW- Nazgul #9 3
FW- Castamir 4

VALIMAR
G- Ungolient 1
DF- Ulmo
DF- Alatar
DF- Pallando -1
DF- Radagast
MF- Arien
MF- Orome -1
MF- Tilion 3
MF- Earendil 8
FW- Tulkas -1
FW- Eonwe 4

TOL-IN-GAURHOTH
G- Drauglin 5
DF- Hookbill 4
DF- Gwathagor 4
DF- Cailin 4
MF- Lhuna 0
MF- Thuringwethil 1
MF- Eomer 0
MF- the phantom 4
FW- Formendacil 3
FW- Nogrod 3
FW- Sauron 4

[Nogrod]

1. Gwathagor- 80 + 47 = 127
2. McCaber- 63 +43 = 106
3. Skip- 63 + 35 = 98
4. Eomer- 60 +36 = 96
5. Lhuna- 64 + 30 = 94
6. Cailín- 53 +39 = 92
7. Anguirel- 65 + 26 = 91
8. Nogrod- 49 + 37 = 86
9. Elmo- 52 + 25 = 77
Formendacil- 51 +26 = 77
Nilp- 44 + 33 = 77

I hope you tp check these but I think they ought to be about right. :)
(the latter number is the points gotten on the third round)


Quite a nice lead Gwath! But pay heed also how even it is after Gwath! And the three last players are at exactly the same points!

[skip spence]

If I may come with a suggestion ahead of the knockout stages, I'd like to propose the added feature of choosing a captain for our team ahead of each round of play. The captain of each team will then have his score multiplyed by two, which will be added to the team's total (fex. the cap. scores a goal and an assist, gets 8 points *2=16; or he gets himself sent off and acores -3*2=-6)

This feature is present in fex. the official EPL fantasy league, and could IMO spice things up a little and perhaps give us a chance to catch Gwarth (or lose even more ground).

[Nogrod]

Not a bad idea as such Skip.

But we might also try to look out for the unexpectable!

I mean if everyone just tries to find the point-leaders the game is a bit stupid as anyone can spot those ones. So home yourself a daring tactics and see whether it pays off or not... Catching Gwath means that you must choose differently and gamble and win...

I'm going to go the risky way anyway (well, there's not too many beauties or beasts left to choose in teams that will probably advance to the later stages... :)).

But I'm slightly for the ruling about the captain - even if I'm afraid many people will choose the same ones which just keeps the situation as it is and makes the people go for the same foreseen names in the drafts - and those not actively updating their teams will be on shorthand on this as they have will not make the choice (which in the end is their own problem to be sure).

Daring! That's what we need to get Gwath, I say! :D

[Nogrod]

Okay. Sorry about the double-post in this occasion...

The problem with the captains is that their value becomes too important. So everyone tries to find the point-leader captain and then all of this narrows down to which individual captain one has chosen. Under that pressure people tend to make similar choices (the point leaders) and all this we have been doing for a couple of weeks degrades to the quesswork of whether Ar Pharazon, Hurin or The Witch King will outscore one another...

That's the problem there. There are good things in it as well - like giving us others a chance to reach Gwath... :)

But somehow I still think we others trailing him should rather go for the unexpectable and try to beat him with that.

Well, it's up to the phantom to decide.

[Nogrod]

Okay. My team seems to have three obsolete players now.

DF- Nessa (Taniquetil)
DF- Yavanna (Taniquetil)
FW- Smaug (Erebor)

I need to get replacements for them. It's hard if we only have six changes available for the end of the tournament.

My reason tells me to quit my policies of sticking into beauties and the beasts but I will go for it anyway - and the only way to make a difference is to guess differently than you others. :rolleyes:

So here are my bets then...

--Nessa (Taniquetil)
++ Luthien (Doriath)

Doriath's chances of getting to the next round after a play-off match with Armenelos are scarce indeed but here I will put my faith for a miracle. I may have to change this defender-post later but then I will do it if I can afford it. Anyway Luthien has always been one of my favourites and even if her tally looks pretty poor right now I'll just trust that she and her team will rise to the occasion.

-- Yavanna (Taniquetil)
++ Balrog #4 (Angband)

Another hard choice but Angband should beat Fornost giving Balrog #4 at least two games to play - and Hithlum / Mirkwood are not too scary opponents so that might be a good change indeed - not that Mordor defenders would be point-automats - looking how much there has been scoring against them... but maybe staying alive for a round or two.

-- Smaug (Erebor)
++ Miriel (Tuna)

I hate to see Smaug go but I've no chance here. I do owe it to the Tuna team that I once trusted them for real. I mean at the last round I was about to recruit both Miriel and Nerdanel to my team and they made 22 points together at that round! The chances of Tuna getting forwards from the game against Nargothrond are slight indeed but as you others will play for Nargothrond to win I will try my luck with this choice.

I probably should also change Scatha as Mirkwood team are clear underdogs in the game against Hithlum but I will not waste one of my precious changes there before the game - a miracle could happen there as well... - and there are no beast or beauties in the Hithlum team... :mad:


Beasts and Beauties (Nog)

G- Huan (Formenos)

DF- Tar Telperien (Armenelos)
DF- Cailín (Tol-In-Gaurhoth)
DF- Luthien (Doriath
DF - Balrog #4 (Angband)

MF- Idril (Gondolin)
MF- Aredhel (Formenos)
MF- Glaurung (Nargothrond)

FW- Ancalagon (Angband)
FW - Miriel (Tuna)
FW- Scatha (Mirkwood)

[skip spence]

What is clear with this feature is that it's easier to gain or lose points quickly.

But what you are saying holds a lot of merit too. Having played fantasy football at premierleague.com several years now I know from experience that if one player starts to dominate the scoring it may come to a point that you just can't afford to take any chances with the selection, leaving everyone with the same captain which is kind of boring. It was like that with Cristiano Ronaldo this past season and it was like that with Thierry Henry too a few years back.

That said, I still favour the idea, as I don't believe there is one obvious star who constantly performs better than everyone else and is expected to continue doing som as was the case with Henry and Ronaldo irl. I haven't added up any total points leaders (why we should!) but I've got the impression there are many players who've racked up good scores so far, making it a challenging task picking the right captain.

But it is indeed The Phantom's decision.

[the phantom]

I just wanted to make sure that everyone remembered this-
In each round of the playoffs you can predict the winner of each match. For every one you get right you will be awarded a fantasy point.
And also, there are also fantasy points to be awarded for correctly predicting the group outcomes. I will post official totals later tonight and set a deadline for the beginning of the playoffs.

For now, you are allowed six trades before the playoffs begin. Remember, no more than four players from one team. The games are-

Rivendell vs Valimar
Tol-In-Gaurhoth vs Mordor
Formenos vs Amon Rhud
Nargothrond vs Tuna
Gondolin vs Umbar
Armenelos vs Doriath
Hithlum vs Mirkwood
Angband vs Fornost

And just fyi, the group winners will be playing at home in the first round.

[the phantom]

All right- points for group predictions....

Eomer- 18
Form- 16
Ang- 14
Nilp- 14
Nog- 14
McCaber- 14
Gwath- 13
Lhuna- 11
Skip- 11
Elmo- 10
Cailin- 9

5 of 11 correctly called Group A.
1 of 11 had Group B. (Cailin)
6 of 11 had Group C.
No one had Group D. (no one had Umbar advancing)
2 of 11 had Group E. (Skip & Ang)
No one had Group F. (everyone besides Gwath had Taniquetil advancing)
2 of 11 had Group G. (Eomer & Nilp)
9 of 11 had Group H. (The two that didn't just had the winners reversed.)

10 of 11 called Rivendell to win Group A.
6 of 11 had TIG winning Group B.
7 of 11 had Formenos in Group C.
5 of 11 had Nargothrond in Group D.
9 of 11 had Gondolin in Group E.
5 of 11 had Armenelos in Group F.
3 of 11 had Hithlum in Group G.
9 of 11 had Angband in Group H.

[Gwathagor]

Bwa ha ha. Domination abounds. :smokin: Looks like those couple of trades really did the trick.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

It's a marathon, not a sprint. :smokin:

More predictions coming soon.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Rivendell defeat Valimar.
Tol-in-Gaurhoth defeat Mordor.
Formenos defeat Amon Rhud.
Nargothrond defeat Tuna.
Gondolin defeat Umbar.
Armenelos defeat Doriath.
Hithlum defeat Mirkwood.
Angband defeat Fornost.

Safe predictions, yes, but I feel it's often wise to play the percentage game. :smokin:

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

- Este, Aule, Arien and Tulkas.

+ Bregor, Turgon, Idril and Ancalagon


So my team is now:

G - Elrond (Rivendell)

DF - Bregor (Nargothrond)
DF - Turgon (Gondolin)
DF - Cailin (T-I-G)
DF - Celeborn (Rivendell)

MF - Idril (Gondolin)
MF - Melkor (Angband)
MF - the phantom (T-I-G)

FW - Feanor (Formenos)
FW - Gothmog (Angband)
FW - Ancalagon (Angband)

[skip spence]

Well, first I have to get rid of my deadweight.

- Mandos; Aule; Gollum; Tom Bombadil

Replacements:

Despite Nogrod's wise words to the contrary I will do the obvious and sign Formenos lynchpin Feanor. On his current form, no one can stop him but himself.

Huan the hound will replace Mandos. The latter is obviously better at keeping souls from getting out of his domain, than preventing balls from entering it.

Caranthir the Dark will also enter my team. As far as I'm aware no defender has scored yet in the Cup which is remarkable. Here's hoping aggressive Caranthir will be the first.

Finally Salgant of Gondolin will round out the team. I belive his corpulence might come in handy blocking shots to help his team keeping cleen sheets.

Updated team:

Shadwell Army
G- Huan (Formenos)
DF- Salgant (Gondolin)
DF- Ulmo (Valimar)
DF- Caranthir (Formenos)
DF - Celeborn (Rivendell)
MF- Melkor (Angband)
MF- Eärendil (Valimar)
MF- The Phantom (T-I-G)
FW - The Witch King (Mordor)
FW- Turin (Hithlum)
FW- Feanor (Formenos)


Predictions:

Valimar to defeat Rivendell (The divine skill of the Ainur will eventually prove too much for the strong Rivendell defence)

Tol-in-Gaurhoth to defeat Mordor. (Sauron playing for T-i-G instead of Mordor will tip the scale in favour of the home team)

Formenos to defeat Amon Rhud. (Amon Rhud have done extremely well to come this far. Formenos are too strong though.)

Nargothrond to defeat Tuna. (Orodreth is not dependable in goal and would probably rather have liked to play for the home team as well. Glaurung will roast him.)

Gondolin to defeat Umbar. (Gondolin will prevail despite the flair of Queen Beruthiel)

Doriath to defeat Armenelos (Armenelos have done extremly well thus far but I'm hoping the Girdle of Melian will hold, and Doriath to create un upset. It might go to penalties though).

Hithlum to defeat Mirkwood. (Turin, Hurin and co are too good for the unorganized Mirkwood defence)

Angband to defeat Fornost. (The might of Melkor and the Balrogs is too much for the rangers without their captain Aragorn)

[Nogrod]

Okay. Here's my predictions for the first play-off round.



Rivendell beats Valimar

Rivendell has been one of the most consistent teams in the tournament and their defence is solid as a rock. Valimar's game has not convinced me and they will lose the game.

Tol-in-Gaurhoth beats Mordor (in extra time or in a penalty shoot-out)

This will be a tough one and the Mordor team will finally test the skills of T-I-G. T-I-G has had an easy tournamet this far and they will have hard times with Mordor's brilliant and tough offence. But as it is the T-I-G it will finally go through...

Formenos beats Amon Rhud

Amon Rhûd just doesn't stand a chance here. Formenos is far superior team in every field of the game and takes an easy win if they don't come to the game too self-assuredly.

Nargothrond will be beaten by Tuna

A wise predicter would not put all his eggs to a same basket and as I have chosen a Tuna player to my squad I'd be sensible to go here for a Nargothrond victory. But I'm going for the jackpot. So it's time for the next giants to drop out of the games. Nerdanel, Miriel and Finwë will outscore Gwindor and Finrod. Plain and simple.

Gondolin beats Umbar

Umbarians have already exceeded the limits of their capabilities and have no chance against one of my favourites to win the whole tournament. Gondolin is just too tough a team for Umbar to beat.

Armenelos loses to Doriath

Another risky prediction. But Melian's girdle will hold against the waves of Numenorian attacks and Mablung & Beleg rise to the occasion. It will be tight game though and may go to extra-time or even penalties. Actually I believe it to be otherwise but who cares...

Hithlum is beaten by Mirkwood

It will not happen but I'm being consistent here and going for the surprise and the jackpot once again. Thranduil, Legolas and Scatha will outscore Turin, Hurin and Fingon. Lots of goals in this game - might go to overtime...

Angband beats Fornost

One of the easy ones here. Fornost has done well to come this far but now they meet some real teams that actually play football and their time is out.

[McCaber]

Trades:
-- Ulmo (Valimar)
++ Celebrimbor (Formenos)

-- Belegund (Nargothrond)
++ Eol (Gondolin)

G- Melian (Doriath)
DF- Tar Atanamri (Armenelos)
DF- Gandalf (Rivendell)
DF- Celebrimbor (Formenos)
MF- Melkor (Angband)
MF- the phantom (Tol-in-Gaurhoth)
MF- Hurin (Hithlum)
MF- Eol (Gondolin)
FW- Gothmog (Angband)
FW- Ecthelion (Gondolin)
FW- Maedhros (Formenos)

Picks:
Rivendell over Valimar
T-I-G over Morder
Formenos over Amon Rudh
Nargothrond over Tuna
Gondolin over Umbar
Armenelos over Doriath
Hithlum over Mirkwood
Angband over Fornost

[the phantom]

You have 48 hours to make your predictions and trades. Tomorrow morning I will send pms to people who I haven't heard from yet.

[Gwathagor]

Predictions

Rivendell vs Valimar = Rivendell
TIG vs Mordor = TIG
Formenos vs Amon Rhud = Formenos
Nargothrond vs Tuna = Tuna
Gondolin vs Umbar = Gondolin
Armenelos vs Doriath = Armenelos
Hithlum vs Mirkwood = Hithlum
Angband vs Fornost = Fornost

Trades

--Melkor
++Nerdanel (Tuna)

--Ar-Adunakhor
++Boromir II (Rivendell)

--Eomer
++Hurin (Hithlum)



Updated Team

G- Elrond (Rivendell)
DF- Celebrimbor (Formenos)
DF- Tar-Atanamir (Armenelos)
DF- Gandalf (Rivendell)
MF- the phantom (TIG)
MF- Boromir II (Rivendell)
MF- Nerdanel (Tuna)
MF- Aredhel (Formenos)
MF- Eol (Gondolin)
MF- Hurin (Hithlum)
FW- Maeglin (Gondolin)

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Predictions:

Rivendell < Valimar
Tol-in-Gaurhoth > Mordor
Formenos >>> Amon Rhûd
Nargothrond > Túna
Gondolin >>> Umbar
Armenelos > Doriath
Hithlum >>> Mirkwood
Angband >>> Fornost

EDIT: My team already had the Round of 16 in mind ( ;) ), so no need to change anything.

[Cailín]

Rivendell over Valimar
Tol-in-Gaurhoth over Mordor
Formenos over Amon Rhûd
Túna over Nargothrond
Gondolin over Umbar
Doriath over Armenelos
Mirkwood over Hithlum
Angband over Fornost

And the team:

Lose: Old Man Willow, Vana, Yavanna, Treebeard, Bilbo, Witch-King

Gain: Tuor, Grimbeorn, Elenwe, Lhuna, Balrog 4, Maedhros

G - Tuor (Gondolin)
DF - Elenwe (Tuna)
DF - Luthien (Doriath)
DF - Balrog 4 (Angband)
MF - Eomer of the Rohirrim (T-i-G)
MF - Lhuna (T-i-G)
MF - Aredhel (Formenos)
MF - Aragorn (Rivendell)
MF - Boromir II (Rivendell)
MF - Grimbeorn (Mirkwood)
FW - Maedhros (Formenos)

[the phantom]

Here are the standings heading into the playoffs. Gwath has done awfully well thus far, but if anyone happens to hit on their pre-tournament predictions (top goal scorer, assister, fantasy point scorer, overall winner) then there is still a chance to even the score as all of those are worth ten points each.

The first game of the playoffs will be posted in about 21 hours. Best of luck to everyone. If you haven't made predictions are trades yet, hurry it up! :)

1. Gwath- 140
2. McCaber- 120
3. Eomer- 114
4. Skip- 109
5. Lhuna- 105
-- Ang- 105
7. Cailín- 101
8. Nog- 100
9. Form- 93
10. Nilp- 91
11. Elmo- 87

[Formendacil]

First things first... which players have to be culled...

Hmm... Unless I'm missing something, I can't find any. My team remains as was.

G- Elros
DF- Lúthien
DF- Gandalf
DF- Hookbill the Goomba
DF- Balrog #2
MF- Amrod
MF- Ar-Adunakhor
MF- Aragorn II
FW- Formendacil
FW- Gwindor
FW- Glorfindel

Now, then, to predictions...

Rivendell will defeat Valimar
Tol-in-Gaurhoth will defeat Mordor
Formenos will defeat Amon Rudh
Nargothrond will defeat Túna
Gondolin will tie Umbar
Armenelos will defeat Doriath
Mirkwood will defeat Hithlum
Angband will defeat Fornost

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Gondolin will tie Umbar (Formendaga)In the playoffs, a game never ends in a tie. There will be extra times uncountless, and, if the tie persists, there shall be a penalty shoot-out. One of them has to advance, after all. ;)

[Formendacil]

In the playoffs, a game never ends in a tie. There will be extra times uncountless, and, if the tie persists, there shall be a penalty shoot-out. One of them has to advance, after all. ;)

Then I append to that that Umbar will break the tie. But they will tie.:p

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

I see . . . though you could have said that earlier. :p

[Nogrod]

AMON RHUD
G- Ebor 2
DF- Sagroth
DF- Forweg
DF- Forhend -1
MF- Avranc
MF- Ragnir
MF- Asgon -1
MF- Gethron
MF- Grithnir -1
MF- Algund
FW- Androg

ANGBAND
G- Carcharoth 5
DF- Balrog #2 4
DF- Uldor 4
DF- Balrog #3 3
DF- Balrog #4 4
MF- Balrog #5 1
MF- Balrog #6 1
MF- Ulfast 0
MF- Melkor 1
FW- Gothmog 7
FW- Ancalagon 7


ARMENELOS
G- Elros 5
DF- Tar Atanamir 3
DF- Tar Ciryatan 4
DF- Tar-Telperien 7
MF- Ar Zimrathan 1
MF- Tar Calmacil 0
MF- Ar Adunakhor 4
MF- Ar Gimilzor 6
FW- Tar Ancalimon 3
FW- Tar Minastir 4
FW- Ar Pharazon 4

DORIATH
G- Melian 1
DF- Elured
DF- Luthien
DF- Elurin
DF- Saeros -1
MF- Nellas
MF- Daeron
MF- Dior
MF- Elwe -1
FW- Mablung -1
FW- Beleg


FORMENOS
G- Huan 4
DF- Celegorm 4
DF- Caranthir 4
DF- Curufin 4
DF- Celebrimbor 4
MF- Amrod 3
MF- Amras 1
MF- Maglor 6
MF- Aredhel 6
FW- Maedhros 7
FW- Feanor 7

FORNOST
G- Aragost 2
DF- Aravir
DF- Argonui
DF- Arador
DF- Amlaith -1
MF- Aranuir
MF- Arahad -1
MF- Aranarth
MF- Arassuil -1
FW- Arahael
FW- Arathorn

GONDOLIN
G- Tuor 3
DF- Salgant 2
DF- Galdor 2
DF- Meleth 2
DF- Turgon 2
MF- Rog -1
MF- Idril 3
MF- Penlod
MF- Eol 4
FW- Ecthelion 7
FW- Maeglin 7


HITHLUM
G- Huor 3
DF- Galdor 2
DF- Marach 2
DF- Gundor 1
DF- Hador 2
MF- Angrod 3
MF- Aegnor
MF- Fingon 8
MF- Hurin 8
FW- Fingolfin 4
FW- Turin 7


MIRKWOOD
G- Oropher 2
DF- Lagduf
DF- Galion -1
DF- Muzgash -1
DF- Gorbag
MF- Nazgul #8 -1
MF- Grishnakh 3
MF- Grimbeorn -1
FW- Thranduil
FW- Legolas
FW- Scatha 4

MORDOR
G- Shelob 1
DF- Nazgul #7
DF- Shagrat -1
DF- Gothmog II
DF- Nazgul #6 -1
MF- Nazgul #5
MF- Nazgul #4 -1
MF- Nazgul #3
MF- The Mouth 8
FW- Khamul 3
FW- The Witch King 4


NARGOTHROND
G- Beor 2
DF- Bregolas
DF- Bregor -1
DF- Belegund
DF- Gelmir
MF- Baragund
MF- Barahir -1
MF- Glaurung 8
MF- Finrod 8
MF- Beren
FW-Gwindor


RIVENDELL
G- Elrond 4
DF- Gildor 2
DF- Celeborn 2
DF- Erestor 1
DF- Gandalf 2
MF- Valandil
MF- Elladan -1
MF- Elrohir
MF- Aragorn 3
MF- Boromir II
FW- Glorfindel 4


TUNA
G- Orodreth
DF- Elenwe
DF- Guilen
DF- Ingwe
DF- Duilin -1
MF- Egalmoth
MF- Finarfin
MF- Nerdanel 3
FW- Mahtan 3
FW- Finwe 7
FW- Miriel 8

UMBAR
G- Pelendur 1
DF- Calimehtar
DF- Ulrad
DF- Brodda -1
DF- Folcred
MF- Angamaite -1
MF- Sangahyando
MF- Fastred
FW- Beruthiel 3
FW- Nazgul #9 -1
FW- Castamir 4

VALIMAR
G- Ungolient 3
DF- Ulmo 2
DF- Alatar 1
DF- Pallando 2
DF- Radagast 2
MF- Arien -1
MF- Orome
MF- Tilion
MF- Earendil 3
FW- Tulkas
FW- Eonwe 4

TOL-IN-GAURHOTH
G- Drauglin 1
DF- Hookbill -1
DF- Gwathagor
DF- Cailin 3
MF- Lhuna
MF- Thuringwethil 3
MF- Eomer -1
MF- the phantom3
FW- Formendacil 4
FW- Nogrod 3
FW- Sauron 4

[Gwathagor]

When do we find out the match-ups for the next round?

[the phantom]

Quarterfinals-

Rivendell vs Tol-In-Gaurhoth
Formenos vs Tuna
Armenelos vs Gondolin
Angband vs Hithlum

Go ahead and make trades if you wish, so long as you state clearly who is leaving and who is replacing them.

Make predictions as well for bonus points. Since there were eight points up for grabs in the first round I have decided that there should be eight bonus points again. So, every match is worth two points.

In about 12 hours I will count up fantasy points and release new standings, unless Nogrod happens to be available before then and has the urge to do it himself.

You have 36 hours to change your fantasy rosters and make predictions. Good luck. :)

[Gwathagor]

Predictions
Rivendell beats TIG
Formenos beats Tuna
Gondolin beats Armenelos
Angband beats Hithlum

Trades and Switch to 4-3-3 Formation
--Tar-Atanamir
++Gildor (Rivendell)

--the phantom
++Balrog #2 (Angband)

--Nerdanel
++Ancalagon (Angband)

--Hurin
++Feanor (Formenos)

G- Elrond (Rivendell)
DF- Celebrimbor (Formenos)
DF- Gandalf (Rivendell)
DF- Gildor (Rivendell)
DF- Balrog #2 (Angband)
MF- Boromir II (Rivendell)
MF- Aredhel (Formenos)
MF- Eol (Gondolin)
FW- Ancalagon (Angband)
FW- Feanor (Formenos)
FW- Maeglin (Gondolin

[Nogrod]

There seems to be three obsolete players again in my team.

DF- Luthien (Doriath)
MF- Glaurung (Nargothrond)
FW- Scatha (Mirkwood)

Sticking with policies seems to be a bit challenging and probably not leading into the exact direction I'd wish but I'm not giving up just yet... so here it comes.


-- Luthien (Doriath)
++ Elenwë (Túna)

Having two Formenos and two Túna players in the roster isn't the brightest idea but let's see... well at least some survive to the next round.

-- Glaurung (Nargothrond)
++ Melkor (Angband)

It's sad to let Glaurung go. It has given me a lot of points in this tournament. I wavered a bit between Nerdanel and Melkor as I would have loved to see Nerdanel back in my team, but betting so heavily on Túna winning over Formenos felt like a bit idiotic. And after all as the Hithlum team will not be able to provide me a single player it's better they drop out asap. and thence I will be backing the Angband team to take a full advantage of that... :)


-- Scatha (Mirkwood)
++ Sauron (Tol-In-Gaurhoth)

As I thought the last round, this change was about to come. As Rivendell team is another one that won't help me at all being just fair elves, wizards and men - and all male - I will love to see them drop from the tournament and will go betting on behalf of T-I-G -team.


Beasts and Beauties (Nog)

G- Huan (Formenos)

DF- Tar Telperien (Armenelos)
DF- Cailín (Tol-In-Gaurhoth)
DF- Elenwë (Túna)
DF- Balrog #4 (Angband)

MF- Idril (Gondolin)
MF- Aredhel (Formenos)
MF- Melkor (Angband)

FW- Ancalagon (Angband)
FW- Miriel (Tuna)
FW- Sauron (Tol-In-Gaurhoth)



And the predictions then...

Rivendell gets beaten by Tol-In-Gaurhoth

The last match showed that the famous Rivendell defence can be broken and that's just where T-I-G will hit the hardest plain outscoring the Imladris-sissies... ;)

Formenos will lose it to Túna

It's clear all the reasons speak for Formenos to win but I'll stick to Túna having now found the fighting spirit and led by Miriel they should fly forwards from this tight match to meet T-I-G in the semifinals.

Armenelos will be brought down by Gondolin

Armenelos defence has been rock solid and they have pretty intimidating offence as well but they have been playing a bit easier opponents thus far (Taniquetil turned out to be just paperback heroes) and will be tested only now. Gondolin will make it to the finals so they need to win this one.

Angband beats Hithlum

Hithlum is a great team but even the greatest find their superiors one day. And this is the day for Hithlum. Old rivals from Angband will do it once again and will march towards Gondolin for the semifinals.

[the phantom]

I'm working on an updated list of fantasy rosters and adding up points. I'll have it up soon.

[the phantom]

Gwath- 44
G- Elrond (Rivendell)- 4
DF- Celebrimbor (Formenos)- 4
DF- Tar Atanamir (Armenelos)- 3
DF- Gandalf (Rivendell)- 2
MF- the phantom (TIG)- 3
MF- Boromir II (Rivendell)-
MF- Nerdanel (Tuna)- 3
MF- Aredhel (Formenos)- 6
MF- Eol (Gondolin)- 4
MF- Hurin (Hithlum)- 8
FW- Maeglin (Gondolin)- 7

McCaber- 47
G- Melian (Doriath)- 1
DF- Tar Atanamir (Armenelos)- 3
DF- Gandalf (Rivendell)- 2
DF- Celebrimbor (Formenos)- 4
MF- Eol (Gondolin)- 4
MF- Melkor (Angband)- 1
MF- the phantom (TIG)- 3
MF- Hurin (Hithlum)- 8
FW- Gothmog (Angband)- 7
FW- Ecthelion (Gondolin)- 7
FW- Maedhros (Formenos)- 7

The Rage of Ten Thousand Wargs (Eomer)- 38
G- Elrond (Rivendell)- 4
DF- Bregor (Nargothrond)- -1
DF- Turgon (Gondolin)- 2
DF- Cailin (T-I-G)- 3
DF- Celeborn (Rivendell)- 2
MF- Idril (Gondolin)- 3
MF- Melkor (Angband)- 1
MF- the phantom (T-I-G)- 3
FW- Feanor (Formenos)- 7
FW- Gothmog (Angband)- 7
FW- Ancalagon (Angband)- 7

Shadwell Army (Skip)- 39
G- Huan (Formenos)- 4
DF- Ulmo (Valimar)- 2
DF- Caranthir (Formenos)- 4
DF- Salgant (Gondolin)- 2
DF- Celeborn (Rivendell)- 2
MF- Melkor (Angband)- 1
MF- Earendil (Valimar)- 3
MF- the phantom (TIG)- 3
FW- Turin (Hithlum)- 7
FW- Feanor (Formenos)- 7
FW- The Witch King (Mordor)- 4

Lhuna- 30
G- Huan (Formenos)- 4
DF- Luthien (Doriath)-
DF- Ulmo (Valimar)- 2
DF- Turgon (Gondolin)- 2
MF- Fingon (Hithlum)- 8
MF- Eowyn (Edoras)-
MF- Finrod (Nargothrond)- 8
MF- Eomer (TIG)- -1
MF- the phantom (TIG)- 3
MF- Varda (Taniquetil)-
FW- Fingolfin (Hithlum)- 4

Ang- 36
G– Galadriel (Lothlorien)-
DF– Goldberry (Breeland)-
DF– Luthien (Doriath)-
DF– Celegorm (Formenos)- 4
DF– Curufin (Formenos)- 4
MF– Daeron (Doriath)-
MF– Maglor (Formenos)- 6
MF– Finrod (Nargothrond)- 8
FW– Maedhros (Formenos)- 7
FW– Maeglin (Gondolin)- 7
FW– Eomer (Edoras)-

Cailin- 21
G- Tuor (Gondolin)- 3
DF- Elenwe (Tuna)-
DF- Luthien (Doriath)-
DF- Balrog #4 (Angband)- 4
MF- Eomer of the Rohirrim (TIG)- -1
MF- Lhuna (TIG)-
MF- Aredhel (Formenos)- 6
MF- Aragorn (Rivendell)- 3
MF- Boromir II (Rivendell)-
MF- Grimbeorn (Mirkwood)- -1
FW- Maedhros (Formenos)- 7

Beasts and Beauties (Nog)- 54
G- Huan (Formenos)- 4
DF- Cailin (TIG)- 3
DF- Tar Telperien (Armenelos)- 7
DF- Luthien (Doriath)-
DF- Balrog #4 (Angband)- 4
MF- Idril (Gondolin)- 3
MF- Aredhel (Formenos)- 6
MF- Glaurung (Nargothrond)- 8
FW- Ancalagon (Angband)- 7
FW- Miriel (Tuna)- 8
FW- Scatha (Mirkwood)- 4

Form- 28
G- Elros (Armenelos)- 5
DF- Lúthien (Doriath)-
DF- Gandalf (Rivendell)- 2
DF- Hookbill the Goomba (TIG)- -1
DF- Balrog #2 (Angband)- 4
MF- Amrod (Formenos)- 3
MF- Ar Adunakhor (Armenelos)- 4
MF- Aragorn II (Rivendell)- 3
FW- Formendacil (TIG)- 4
FW- Gwindor (Nargothrond)-
FW- Glorfindel (Rivendell)- 4

Silmarillion Squad (Nilp)- 45
G- Elrond (Rivendell)- 4
DF- Tar Atanamir (Armenelos)- 3
DF- Celeborn (Rivendell)- 2
DF- Tar Telperien (Armenelos)- 7
MF- Beren (Nargothrond)-
MF- the phantom (Tol-in-Gaurhoth)- 3
MF- Glaurung (Nargothrond)- 8
MF- Eomer (Tol-in-Gaurhoth)- -1
MF- Finrod (Nargothrond)- 8
MF- Ar Adunakhor (Armenelos)- 4
FW- Túrin (Hithlum)- 7

Dwarves the Opposition (Elmo)- 15
G- Melian (Doriath)- 1
DF- Forweg (Amon Rhud)-
DF- Aule (Taniquetil)-
DF- Gram (Helm's Deep)-
DF- Elendur (Annumunas)-
MF- Melkor (Angband)- 1
MF- Denethor II (Minas Tirith)-
MF- Eomer (TIG)- -1
FW- Azog (Moria)-
FW- Ecthelion (Gondolin)- 7
FW- Finwe (Tuna)- 7

[the phantom]

McCaber- you seem to have switched to an illegal 3-4-3 formation at some point and I didn't catch it. So please switch to one of the approved formations given in the first post. Thanks.

And remember from the first post-
After each playoff round you will be allowed three trades.
So three trades only, every one. And still no more than four players from one single team.

Updated standings-
Gwath- 191
McCaber- 174
Nogrod- 160
Eomer- 159
Skip- 153
Nilp- 142
Anguirel- 141
Lhuna- 135
Cailin- 128
Form- 126
Elmo- 102

[McCaber]

McCaber- you seem to have switched to an illegal 3-4-3 formation at some point and I didn't catch it. So please switch to one of the approved formations given in the first post. Thanks.
Sorry, I didn't even catch that. It will be amended.

--Melian (Doriath)
++Elrond (Rivendell)

--the phantom (TIG)
++ Balrog #2 (Angband)

G- Elrond (Rivendell)
DF- Tar Atanamir (Armenelos)
DF- Gandalf (Rivendell)
DF- Celebrimbor (Formenos)
DF- Balrog #2 (Angband)
MF- Eol (Gondolin)
MF- Melkor (Angband)
MF- Hurin (Hithlum)
FW- Gothmog (Angband)
FW- Ecthelion (Gondolin)
FW- Maedhros (Formenos)

Picks:
Rivendell over TIG
Formenos over Tuna
Gondolin over Armenelos
Angband over Hithlum

[Gwathagor]

McCaber- you seem to have switched to an illegal 3-4-3 formation at some point and I didn't catch it.

So THAT'S how he's been closing in on me!




So three trades only, every one.


Drat.

[Gwathagor]

So, with the regulation three trades, this is what my team ought to look like. Sorry about that, tp.

--the phantom
++Balrog #2 (Angband)

--Nerdanel
++Ancalagon (Angband)

--Hurin
++Feanor (Formenos)

G- Elrond (Rivendell)
DF- Celebrimbor (Formenos)
DF- Gandalf (Rivendell)
DF- Tar-Atanamir (Armenelos)
DF- Balrog #2 (Angband)
MF- Boromir II (Rivendell)
MF- Aredhel (Formenos)
MF- Eol (Gondolin)
FW- Ancalagon (Angband)
FW- Feanor (Formenos)
FW- Maeglin (Gondolin)

[the phantom]

And remember everyone, you're not out of it!

Your four pre-tournament predictions are worth 10 points each, so there are still 40 points to be gained from that. I'm looking at my list here and several of you look likely to pick up 10 extra points anyway, and a couple of you stand a very real chance of gaining 20 or 30 extra points!

You can also make up ground on the leaders via your picks (there are still seven games left to pick) and also by hitting slightly better with your fantasy team. You never know when you might just have the perfect team during a given round.

[Nogrod]

Miriel (Túna) 30

Hurin (Hithlum) 27

Maeglin (Gondolin) 25

Aredhel (Formenos) 24

Ar Pharazon (Armenelos) 23
Eöl (Gondolin) 23
Finrod (Nargothrond) 23

Maedhros (Formenos) 22
The Mouth (Mordor) 22
The Witch King (Mordor) 22
Turin (Hithlum) 22

Eärendil (Valimar) 20
Fëanor (Formenos) 20
Nerdanel (Túna) 20
Scatha (Mirkwood) 20


PS. If I have time today I will send you the fantasy-points of all the teams left just for curiosity's sake...

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Rivendell over TIG
Formenos over Tuna
Armenelos over Gondolin
Angband over Hithlum

Lose Bregor and Idril, Gain Tar-Atanamir and Maglor

G - Elrond (Rivendell)

DF - Tar-Atanamir (Armenelos)
DF - Turgon (Gondolin)
DF - Cailin (T-I-G)
DF - Celeborn (Rivendell)

MF - Maglor (Formenos)
MF - Melkor (Angband)
MF - the phantom (T-I-G)

FW - Feanor (Formenos)
FW - Gothmog (Angband)
FW - Ancalagon (Angband)

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Replacing Nargothrond players. ( :( )

--Finrod
++Melkor

--Beren
++Eöl

--Glaurung
++Húrin

Updated:

Silmarillion Squad (Nilp)
GK - Elrond (Rivendell)
DF - Celeborn (Rivendell)
DF - Tar-Telperiën (Armenelos)
DF - Tar-Atanamir (Armenelos)
MF - Eöl (Gondolin)
MF - Melkor (Angband)
MF - Húrin (Hithlum)
MF - Eomer (Tol-in-Gaurhoth)
MF - the phantom (Tol-in-Gaurhoth)
MF - Ar-Adûnakhôr (Armenelos)
FW - Túrin (Hithlum)

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v77/Elenrod/AWC-quarter-pre.png
Hithlum I believe!

[Cailín]

TIG over Rivendell
Formenos over Tuna
Gondolin over Armenelos
Angband over Hithlum

Lose Luthien and Grimbeorn, Gain Turgon and Melkor

G - Tuor (Gondolin)
DF - Elenwe (Tuna)
DF - Turgon (Gondolin)
DF - Balrog 4 (Angband)
MF - Eomer of the Rohirrim (T-i-G)
MF - Lhuna (T-i-G)
MF - Aredhel (Formenos)
MF - Aragorn (Rivendell)
MF - Boromir II (Rivendell)
MF - Melkor (Angband)
FW - Maedhros (Formenos)

[skip spence]

If I'm allowed to make a few late transfers I will do the following changes to my team (obviously I've not traded with any players from Tuna or Formenos):

Out:
Eärendil, Witch King, Ulmo

In:
Gothmog (Angband), Turgon (Gondolin), Eöl (Gondolin)

Predictions:
TIG to beat Rivendell
Gondolin to beat Armenelos
Angband to beat Hithlum

If you won't allow these changes tp, I'm cool with that. :)

[the phantom]

Since those results aren't up yet the transfers and predictions will be allowed, Skip.

[Nogrod]

Predictions:
TIG to beat Rivendell
Gondolin to beat Armenelos
Angband to beat Hithlum

You lack one prediction my friend... Formenos - Túna?

[Formendacil]

Okay, then... the following are out:

--Gwindor, --Lúthien

And also --Aragorn II, Gandalf, Glorfindel, since I am predicting a Rivendell loss to TiG.

That means we'll be adding:

++ Sauron, ++Tar Atanamir, ++Fëanor, ++Aredhel, ++Cailin

Making my team as follows:

G- Elros (Armenelos)
DF- Tar-Atanamir (Armenelos)
DF- Cailin (TiG)
DF- Hookbill the Goomba (TIG)
DF- Balrog #2 (Angband)
MF- Amrod (Formenos)
MF- Ar Adunakhor (Armenelos)
MF- Aredhel (Formenos)
FW- Formendacil (TIG)
FW- Fëanor (Formenos)
FW- Sauron (TIG)

If, as usual, I've done something illegal... I'm sure you'll inform me.

Predictions:

Tol-in-Gaurhoth will beat Rivendell.

Formenos will beat Túna.

Armenelos will beat Gondolin.

Angband will beat Hithlum.

[Formendacil]

You may discount the previous post...

I replied here before checking the other thread.

[the phantom]

Because I am gracious and merciful I will take your word that you did not know the results when you made that previous post.

But you are only allowed to make three trades, so you can't do all of that anyway.

In addition you were late, and must not escape completely unscathed.

So I have come to this decision, Formendacil... Because I am quite certain that your TIG over Rivendell pick was a completely honest one, I will allow you to make your exchanges between those two teams (Sauron for Glorfindel, Cailin for Gandalf), as well as give you your two prediction points for getting that match correct.

I hope this is an acceptable compromise.

[the phantom]

FORMENOS vs TOL-IN-GAURHOTH

ARMENELOS vs HITHLUM

The semifinals will begin 48 hours from now. You have till then to make your THREE TRADES and predictions.

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

--Elrond
++Elros

--Celeborn
++Hador

--Eöl
++Lhunardawen

(I believe that my sister will do something in this tournament other than collect yellow cards. :D )

Updated:

Silmarillion Squad (Nilp)
GK - Elros (Armenelos)
DF - Hador (Hithlum)
DF - Tar-Telperiën (Armenelos)
DF - Tar-Atanamir (Armenelos)
MF - Lhunardawen (Tol-in-Gaurhoth)
MF - Melkor (Angband)
MF - Húrin (Hithlum)
MF - Eomer (Tol-in-Gaurhoth)
MF - the phantom (Tol-in-Gaurhoth)
MF - Ar-Adûnakhôr (Armenelos)
FW - Túrin (Hithlum)

[the phantom]

I believe that my sister will do something in this tournament other than collect yellow cards.
Oh, absolutely. She'll do much more than collect yellow cards. I believe in the next match she somehow manages to pick up three red cards. :D

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Oh, absolutely. She'll do much more than collect yellow cards. I believe in the next match she somehow manages to pick up three red cards. :D (the phantom)Lies.

Those weren't cards, those were merely flattened roses (from Aragorn II, Boromir II, and Glorfindel II). :p

Vzv, she authorised me to make the following changes:

--Eowyn
++Ar Adunakhor

--Varda
++Hurin

--Finrod
++Fingon

Lhuna
G- Huan (Formenos)
DF- Luthien (Doriath)
DF- Ulmo (Valimar)
DF- Turgon (Gondolin)
MF- Fingon (Hithlum)
MF- Ar Adunakhor (Armenelos)
MF- Fingon (Hithlum)
MF- Eomer (TIG)
MF- the phantom (TIG)
MF- Hurin (Hithlum)
FW- Fingolfin (Hithlum)

TIG over Formenos
Hithlum over Armenelos (Lhunardawen)

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Predictions!
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v77/Elenrod/AWC-semi-pre.png

[skip spence]

I think we're going down but I'm the captain and will not abandon ship.

Out:
Turgon, Eöl, Gothmog

In:
Hurin, Formendacil, Cailin


Shadwell Army
G- Huan (Formenos)
DF- Salgant (Gondolin)
DF- Cailin (T-I-G)
DF- Caranthir (Formenos)
DF - Celeborn (Rivendell)
MF- Melkor (Angband)
MF- Hurin (Hithlum)
MF- The Phantom (T-I-G)
FW - Formendacil ((T-I-G)
FW- Turin (Hithlum)
FW- Feanor (Formenos)

Predictions:
TIG to beat Formenos
Hithlum to beat Armenelos

You lack one prediction my friend... Formenos - Túna?

Oh yeah, you're quite right. I think Formenos will beat Tuna with ... let's see ... 3-1 I think.

Is it too late to change my other predictions?

[Nogrod]

ANGBAND
G- Carcharoth 1
DF- Balrog #2
DF- Uldor -1
DF- Balrog #3
DF- Balrog #4
MF- Balrog #5 -1
MF- Balrog #6
MF- Ulfast -1
MF- Melkor 8
FW- Gothmog 3
FW- Ancalagon 4


ARMENELOS
G- Elros 1
DF- Tar Atanamir -1
DF- Tar Ciryatan
DF- Tar-Telperien
MF- Ar Zimrathan -1
MF- Tar Calmacil 1
MF- Ar Adunakhor 3
MF- Ar Gimilzor 2
FW- Tar Ancalimon 3
FW- Tar Minastir 7
FW- Ar Pharazon 4

FORMENOS
G- Huan 3
DF- Celegorm 2
DF- Caranthir 2
DF- Curufin 2
DF- Celebrimbor 2
MF- Amrod 1
MF- Amras
MF- Maglor 3
MF- Aredhel 3
FW- Maedhros 8
FW- Feanor 7


GONDOLIN
G- Tuor 1
DF- Salgant
DF- Galdor
DF- Meleth -1
DF- Turgon -1
MF- Rog -1
MF- Idril 3
MF- Penlod
MF- Eol 3
FW- Ecthelion 4
FW- Maeglin 4


HITHLUM
G- Huor 1
DF- Galdor
DF- Marach -1
DF- Gundor
DF- Hador
MF- Angrod
MF- Aegnor -1
MF- Fingon 3
MF- Hurin 5
FW- Fingolfin 3
FW- Turin 4



RIVENDELL
G- Elrond 2
DF- Gildor -1
DF- Celeborn
DF- Erestor
DF- Gandalf
MF- Valandil
MF- Elladan
MF- Elrohir -1
MF- Aragorn 5
MF- Boromir II
FW- Glorfindel 3


TUNA
G- Orodreth 1
DF- Elenwe
DF- Guilen
DF- Ingwe -1
DF- Duilin -1
MF- Egalmoth -1
MF- Finarfin
MF- Nerdanel 3
FW- Mahtan
FW- Finwe
FW- Miriel 4

TOL-IN-GAURHOTH
G- Drauglin 2
DF- Hookbill 2
DF- Gwathagor 2
DF- Cailin 2
MF- Lhuna -1
MF- Thuringwethil -1
MF- Eomer
MF- the phantom 3
FW- Formendacil
FW- Nogrod 4
FW- Sauron 7

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Formenos over TIG
Hithlum over Armenelos

Lose: Melkor, Gothmog, Elrond

Gain: Hurin, Turin, Huan



G - Huan (Formenos)

DF - Tar-Atanamir (Armenelos)
DF - Turgon (Gondolin)
DF - Cailin (T-I-G)
DF - Celeborn (Rivendell)

MF - Maglor (Formenos)
MF - Hurin (Hithlum)
MF - the phantom (T-I-G)

FW - Feanor (Formenos)
FW - Turin (Hithlum)
FW - Ancalagon (Angband)



Unfortunately for me, my team required six changes. :rolleyes:

[Cailín]

TIG over Formenos
Armenelos over Hithlum

Lose: Melkor, Aragorn, Boromir

Gain: Tar Calmacil, the phantom, Fingon




G - Tuor (Gondolin)
DF - Elenwe (Tuna)
DF - Turgon (Gondolin)
DF - Balrog 4 (Angband)
MF - Eomer of the Rohirrim (T-i-G)
MF - Lhuna (T-i-G)
MF - Aredhel (Formenos)
MF - the phantom (T-i-G)
MF - Fingon (Hithlum)
MF - Tar Calmacil (Armenelos)
FW - Maedhros (Formenos)

[the phantom]

Points gained during the quarterfinals! (with prediction points added in)

Gwath- 24 + 2 = 26
G- Elrond (Rivendell)- 2
DF- Celebrimbor (Formenos)- 2
DF- Tar Atanamir (Armenelos)- -1
DF- Gandalf (Rivendell)-
DF- Balrog #2 (Angband)-
MF- Boromir II (Rivendell)-
MF- Aredhel (Formenos)- 3
MF- Eol (Gondolin)- 3
FW- Feanor (Formenos)- 7
FW- Ancalagon (Angband)- 4
FW- Maeglin (Gondolin)- 4

McCaber- 34 + 2 = 36
G- Elrond (Rivendell)- 2
DF- Tar Atanamir (Armenelos)- -1
DF- Gandalf (Rivendell)-
DF- Celebrimbor (Formenos)- 2
DF- Balrog #2 (Angband)-
MF- Eol (Gondolin)- 3
MF- Melkor (Angband)- 8
MF- Hurin (Hithlum)- 5
FW- Gothmog (Angband)- 3
FW- Ecthelion (Gondolin)- 4
FW- Maedhros (Formenos)- 8

Beasts and Beauties (Nog)- 34 + 2 = 36
G- Huan (Formenos)- 3
DF- Cailin (TIG)- 2
DF- Tar Telperien (Armenelos)-
DF- Elenwe (Tuna)-
DF- Balrog #4 (Angband)-
MF- Idril (Gondolin)- 3
MF- Aredhel (Formenos)- 3
MF- Melkor (Angband)- 8
FW- Ancalagon (Angband)- 4
FW- Miriel (Tuna)- 4
FW- Sauron (TIG)- 7

The Rage of Ten Thousand Wargs (Eomer)- 30 + 4 = 34
G- Elrond (Rivendell)- 2
DF- Tar Atanamir (Armenelos)- -1
DF- Turgon (Gondolin)- -1
DF- Cailin (T-I-G)- 2
DF- Celeborn (Rivendell)-
MF- Maglor (Formenos)- 3
MF- Melkor (Angband)- 8
MF- the phantom (T-I-G)- 3
FW- Feanor (Formenos)- 7
FW- Gothmog (Angband)- 3
FW- Ancalagon (Angband)- 4

Shadwell Army (Skip)- 32
G- Huan (Formenos)- 3
DF- Turgon (Gondolin)- -1
DF- Caranthir (Formenos)- 2
DF- Salgant (Gondolin)-
DF- Celeborn (Rivendell)-
MF- Melkor (Angband)- 8
MF- Eol (Gondolin)- 3
MF- the phantom (TIG)- 3
FW- Turin (Hithlum)- 4
FW- Feanor (Formenos)- 7
FW- Gothmog (Angband)- 3

Silmarillion Squad (Nilp)- 24 + 8 = 32
G- Elrond (Rivendell)- 2
DF- Tar Atanamir (Armenelos)- -1
DF- Celeborn (Rivendell)-
DF- Tar Telperien (Armenelos)-
MF- Eol (Gondolin)- 3
MF- the phantom (Tol-in-Gaurhoth)-
MF- Hurin (Gondolin)- 5
MF- Eomer (Tol-in-Gaurhoth)-
MF- Melkor (Angband)- 8
MF- Ar Adunakhor (Armenelos)- 3
FW- Túrin (Hithlum)- 4

Ang- 19
G– Galadriel (Lothlorien)-
DF– Goldberry (Breeland)-
DF– Luthien (Doriath)-
DF– Celegorm (Formenos)- 2
DF– Curufin (Formenos)- 2
MF– Daeron (Doriath)-
MF– Maglor (Formenos)- 3
MF– Finrod (Nargothrond)-
FW– Maedhros (Formenos)- 8
FW– Maeglin (Gondolin)- 4
FW– Eomer (Edoras)-

Lhuna- 11
G- Huan (Formenos)- 3
DF- Luthien (Doriath)-
DF- Ulmo (Valimar)-
DF- Turgon (Gondolin)- -1
MF- Fingon (Hithlum)- 3
MF- Eowyn (Edoras)-
MF- Finrod (Nargothrond)-
MF- Eomer (TIG)-
MF- the phantom (TIG)- 3
MF- Varda (Taniquetil)-
FW- Fingolfin (Hithlum)- 3

Cailin- 23 + 2 = 25
G- Tuor (Gondolin)- 1
DF- Elenwe (Tuna)-
DF- Turgon (Gondolin)- -1
DF- Balrog #4 (Angband)-
MF- Eomer of the Rohirrim (TIG)-
MF- Lhuna (TIG)- -1
MF- Aredhel (Formenos)- 3
MF- Aragorn (Rivendell)- 5
MF- Boromir II (Rivendell)-
MF- Melkor (Angband)- 8
FW- Maedhros (Formenos)- 8

Form- 21 + 2 = 23
G- Elros (Armenelos)- 1
DF- Lúthien (Doriath)-
DF- Cailin (TIG)- 2
DF- Hookbill the Goomba (TIG)- 2
DF- Balrog #2 (Angband)-
MF- Amrod (Formenos)- 1
MF- Ar Adunakhor (Armenelos)- 3
MF- Aragorn II (Rivendell)- 5
FW- Formendacil (TIG)-
FW- Gwindor (Nargothrond)-
FW- Sauron (TIG)- 7

Dwarves the Opposition (Elmo)- 12
G- Melian (Doriath)-
DF- Forweg (Amon Rhud)-
DF- Aule (Taniquetil)-
DF- Gram (Helm's Deep)-
DF- Elendur (Annumunas)-
MF- Melkor (Angband)- 8
MF- Denethor II (Minas Tirith)-
MF- Eomer (TIG)-
FW- Azog (Moria)-
FW- Ecthelion (Gondolin)- 4
FW- Finwe (Tuna)-

[Gwathagor]

--Elrond
++Huan

--Ancalagon
++Ar-Pharazon

--Maeglin
++Tar-Minastir


G- Huan (Formenos)

DF- Celebrimbor (Formenos)
DF- Gandalf (Rivendell)
DF- Tar-Atanamir (Armenelos)
DF- Balrog #2 (Angband)

MF- Boromir II (Rivendell)
MF- Aredhel (Formenos)
MF- Eol (Gondolin)

FW- Ar-Pharazon (Armenelos)
FW- Feanor (Formenos)
FW- Tar-Minastir (Armenelos)

I am in much the same situation as Eomer. I need to make at least four more trades.

[the phantom]

Updated standings-
Gwath- 217
McCaber- 210
Nogrod- 196
Eomer- 193
Skip- 185
Nilp- 174
Anguirel- 160
Cailin- 153
Form- 149
Lhuna- 146
Elmo- 114

There are still points to be gained in the semis and finals from players and predictions. And some of you are still eligible to receive pre-tournament prediction bonuses.

[Gwathagor]

Uh oh. Someone (:rolleyes:) had a bad round.

[Nogrod]

I think we all need to change at least half of our squads... I have six to change... :rolleyes:

I'll leave my defences and lower-midfield as they are and concentrate on the attacking players now. So Balrog #4 of Angband, Elenwë of Tuna and Idril of Gondolin will stay.

My changes will then be:

-- Melkor (Angband)
++ the phantom (T-I-G)

tp is a beast as you all know - and fair enough to be called a beauty as well. Gah, I just don't seem to have too many chances anymore... so I need to explain more... Yeah, I had a chance to pick Lhuna for his place and stick for a real beauty but somehow I do not share Nilp's optimism of her getting other things done in the field but taking cards... :)

-- Ancalagon (Angband)
++ Nogrod (T-I-G)

I'm bringing myself back to the team. As a beast to be sure. Giving myself a second chance then...

-- Miriel (Tuna)
++ Ar Pharazon (Armenelos)

Just look at the guy... pure beast in man's clothing, the attacker on the blessed realm, forging a marriage against the will of the wife, the greed, the lust, the pride... That's just for my team now that the real beasts are out...


Beasts and Beauties (Nog)

G- Huan (Formenos)

DF- Tar Telperien (Armenelos)
DF- Cailín (Tol-In-Gaurhoth)
DF- Elenwë (Túna)
DF- Balrog #4 (Angband)

MF- Idril (Gondolin)
MF- Aredhel (Formenos)
MF- the phantom (Tol-In-Gaurhoth)

FW- Nogrod (Tol-In-Gaurhoth)
FW- Ar Pharazon (Armenelos)
FW- Sauron (Tol-In-Gaurhoth)



And predictions then...

Tol-In-Gaurhoth beats Formenos

Even if the Formenos forwards and Aredhel will make it a tough day for T-I-G defences the phantom and Nogrod will score two goals each and sink the hopes of the elven lords foor good.

Armenelos gets beaten by Hithlum

Now this is the tricky prediction... I have no chances to use Hithlum players as they are a bunch of straight males but I might try to profit from their prowess this way... Gondolin already showed that the great Armenelos defence can be broken and my God how Hurin and Turin will execute that!

[McCaber]

I'm in quite a bit of trouble here. I was banking on the exact opposite scenario than what happened.

--Elrond (Rivendell)
++Elros (Armenelos)

--Ecthelion (Gondolin)
++Sauron (TIG)

--Gothmog (Angband)
++ Feanor (Formenos)

Let's hope that's enough to pull through.

G- Elrios (Armenelos)
DF- Tar Atanamir (Armenelos)
DF- Gandalf (Rivendell)
DF- Celebrimbor (Formenos)
DF- Balrog #2 (Angband)
MF- Eol (Gondolin)
MF- Melkor (Angband)
MF- Hurin (Hithlum)
FW- Sauron (TIG)
FW- Feanor (Formenos)
FW- Maedhros (Formenos)

Picks:
Formenos over TIG
Hithlum over Armenelos

[skip spence]

I have no chances to use Hithlum players as they are a bunch of straight males

Why, surely Turin's a beauty at least. He had the prettiest face of all the mortal men in all the ages of the world, as far as I remember (which isn't saying much though I'm afraid). Or does a man have to be gay (no, not the happy-gay) to be a potential beauty?

[Nogrod]

Or does a man have to be gay (no, not the happy-gay) to be a potential beauty?Oh no... I was indeed thinking about assigning Fëanor to my team but just realised that he was in the wrong team from my angle... He's probably the least gay-one there is, but still fair. :D

But the Hithlum players are just those "right-minded and stout male-heroes" I feel it hard to assign under my team of females and beasts...

[Nogrod]

Miriel (Túna) 34

Hurin (Hithlum) 32

Maedhros (Formenos) 30

Maeglin (Gondolin) 29

Aredhel (Formenos) 27
Ar Pharazon (Armenelos) 27
Fëanor (Formenos) 27

Eöl (Gondolin) 26
Sauron (T-I-G) 26
Turin (Hithlum) 26

Finrod (Nargothrond) 23
Nerdanel (Túna) 23

Aragorn (Rivendell) 22
Fingon (Hithlum) 22
Tar Minastir (Armenelos) 22
The Mouth (Mordor) 22
The Witch King (Mordor) 22

Gothmog (Angband) 21
the phantom (T-I-G) 21

Ar Adunakhor (Armenelos) 20
Eärendil (Valimar) 20
Melkor (Angband) 20
Scatha (Mirkwood) 20

[Formendacil]

Because I am gracious and merciful I will take your word that you did not know the results when you made that previous post.

But you are only allowed to make three trades, so you can't do all of that anyway.

In addition you were late, and must not escape completely unscathed.

So I have come to this decision, Formendacil... Because I am quite certain that your TIG over Rivendell pick was a completely honest one, I will allow you to make your exchanges between those two teams (Sauron for Glorfindel, Cailin for Gandalf), as well as give you your two prediction points for getting that match correct.

I hope this is an acceptable compromise.

You are vastly too generous, Lord the Phantom, as I would have been willing to surrender all.

I shall now go read what has happened on the other thread before adding predictions here...:p

[Formendacil]

Well, limited to three trades, I'm clearly going to have to think things through here...

--Gwindor, --Aragorn II, --Balrog #2

leaving Lúthien as my token deadweight, I guess, and adding

++Fëanor, ++Aredhel, ++Tar-Atanamir


G- Elros (Armenelos)
DF- Lúthien (Doriath)
DF- Cailin (TIG)
DF- Hookbill the Goomba (TIG)
DF- Tar-Atanamir (Armenelos)
MF- Amrod (Formenos)
MF- Ar Adunakhor (Armenelos)
MF- Aredhel (Formenos)
FW- Formendacil (TIG)
FW- Fëanor (Formenos)
FW- Sauron (TIG)

And, for my predictions:

Tol-in-Gaurhoth defeats Formenos.

Armenelos defeats Hithlum.

[the phantom]

Goal scoring leaders-

7
Miriel of Tuna
6
Ar Pharazon of Armenelos
Maedhros of Formenos
5
Tar Minastir of Armenelos
Turin of Hithlum
Sauron of Tol-In-Gaurhoth
4
Feanor of Formenos
Hurin of Hithlum
Nogrod of Tol-In-Gaurhoth
Ancalagon of Angband
Maeglin of Gondolin
The Witch King of Mordor

Assist leaders-

6
Nerdanel of Tuna
5
the phantom of Tol-In-Gaurhoth
4
Tar Ancalimon of Armenelos
Ar Adunakhor of Armenelos
Fingon of Hithlum
Hurin of Hithlum
Feanor of Formenos
Eol of Gondolin
Melkor of Angband

[Gwathagor]

Gwathagor Predicts:

Formenos will beat TIG
Armenelos will beat Hithlum

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

I realised I'm the only one who got all four predictions correct.

Maybe putting them in the bracket is a charm? :D

[the phantom]

The semis take place in Minas Tirith. Nogrod will be posting the first semifinal. If it's up when I'm off work tonight then I will try and get the second semifinal up before I go to bed.

And just so you are aware, though two teams will be eliminated from the championship hunt, no individual players can be eliminated from the fantasy competition this round as there is a championship game and a bronze medal game. So all four teams will play again, giving you a chance to rack up points. :)

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

And just so you are aware, though two teams will be eliminated from the championship hunt, no individual players can be eliminated from the fantasy competition this round as there is a championship game and a bronze medal game. So all four teams will play again, giving you a chance to rack up points. :)(motnahp eht)Ooh, right, I forgot about this! So I can still change the last extraneous player in my team during the next round. :D

[Nogrod]

I'll be trying to write the first match this evening, but because Legate is coming over today I'm not going to make a novel out of it but maybe a bit more modest one... :)

Sorry. I just didn't have time yesterday to write it...

[the phantom]

I haven't had much time either, so don't worry about it. I've been busy preparing for my trip.

Everyone, now that you know the setup for the championship and bronze medal matches, start making your trades in the usual manner, and make predictions as well. Since this is the final round we'll extend the deadline to give everyone some time, and also to give ME time to leave town and find internet at my destination and get in contact with Nogrod again.

Let's set the deadline at three days rather than two- so at this exact time three days from now. Some of you still have a shot at earning bonus points, so make your picks and hope for the best.

[Nogrod]

Well, it seems my trials with non-beasts and non-beauties give me tough luck... :)

So let's see... hard as it seems to be to find them from the remaining teams.

-- Idril (Gondolin)
++ Lhunardawen (T-I-G)

One beauty found and getting rid of and obsolete player! Perfect. I will now join Nilp in his hopes that the day is near Lhuna will give all Arda a show they won't forget.

But then I will have 5 players from the T-I-G and two of them forwards... against Armenelos... :eek:

So to be able to fit Lhuna into my team:

-- Nogrod (T-I-G)
++ Fëanor (Formenos)

Everytime I've had myself in my team I have performed badly. So I seem to be neither a beauty or a beast then. :p But I'll try Fëanor then this last round - he will probably fit both descriptions better than any of my other possible choices.

One more choice then and two obsolete ones...

-- Balrog #4 (Angband)
++ Caranthir (Formenos)

Trusting here Lommy about Caranthir being the choice of fitting both descriptions then...


That will result in:

Beasts and Beauties (Nog)

G- Huan (Formenos)

DF- Tar Telperien (Armenelos)
DF- Cailín (Tol-In-Gaurhoth)
DF- Elenwë (Túna)
DF- Caranthir (Formenos)

MF- Lhunardawen (Tol-In-Gaurhoth)
MF- Aredhel (Formenos)
MF- the phantom (Tol-In-Gaurhoth)

FW- Fëanor (Formenos)
FW- Ar Pharazon (Armenelos)
FW- Sauron (Tol-In-Gaurhoth)



Then the predictions.

Armenelos will beat Tol-In-Gaurhoth in the bronze match

So if Armenelos wins I will have at least this right... if T-I-G wins I might get a few points from my wide variety of players on the field...

Formenos beats Hithlum in the final

First I thought I'd cling to the same tactics as in the bronze-match but c'mon now... Great heroes they are - the Hithlum guys - but Huan and Aredhel have been the backbones of my team all along the tournament, so let them win and let me believe in it!

[Gwathagor]

--Gandalf
++Tar-Telperien (Armenelos)

--Boromir II
++Hurin (Hithlum)

--Eol
++the phantom (TIG)


G- Huan (Formenos)

DF- Celebrimbor (Formenos)
DF- Tar-Telperien (Armenelos)
DF- Tar-Atanamir (Armenelos)
DF- Balrog #2 (Angband)

MF- Hurin (Hithlum)
MF- Aredhel (Formenos)
MF- the phantom (TIG)

FW- Ar-Pharazon (Armenelos)
FW- Feanor (Formenos)
FW- Tar-Minastir (Armenelos)

Formenos beats Hithlum
Armenelos beats TIG

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

First off:
--Melkor
++Maglor

Formenos's backside seems more solid now, so:
--Elros
++Huan

and:

--Tar-Telperiën
++Caranthir

Updated:

Silmarillion Squad (Nilp)
GK - Huan (Formenos)
DF - Hador (Hithlum)
DF - Caranthir (Formenos)
DF - Tar-Atanamir (Armenelos)
MF - Lhunardawen (Tol-in-Gaurhoth)
MF - Maglor (Formenos)
MF - Húrin (Hithlum)
MF - Eomer (Tol-in-Gaurhoth)
MF - the phantom (Tol-in-Gaurhoth)
MF - Ar-Adûnakhôr (Armenelos)
FW - Túrin (Hithlum)

Predictions and bracket for the game thread will come later. :)

[McCaber]

--Melkor (Angband)
++the phantom (TIG)

--Gandalf (Rivendell)
++Hookbill (TIG)

--Eol (Gondolin)
++Aredhel (Formenos)

G- Elros (Armenelos)
DF- Tar Atanamir (Armenelos)
DF- Hookbill (TIG)
DF- Celebrimbor (Formenos)
DF- Balrog #2 (Angband)
MF- Aredhel (Formenos)
MF- the phantom (TIG)
MF- Hurin (Hithlum)
FW- Sauron (TIG)
FW- Feanor (Formenos)
FW- Maedhros (Formenos)

Picks:
FORMENOS!! over Hithlum
Armenelos over TIG

[Gwathagor]

Nice to see that I'm not the only one stuck with Balrog #2, McCaber!

[McCaber]

Nice to see that I'm not the only one stuck with Balrog #2, McCaber!
Hey, at least he won't get carded.

[skip spence]

Out: Salgant; Melkor; Celeborn

In: Maglor (Formenos); Gwathagor (T-I-G); Tar Ciryatan (Armenelos)

Shadwell Army
G- Huan (Formenos)
DF- Gwathagor (T-I-G)
DF- Cailin (T-I-G)
DF- Caranthir (Formenos)
DF - Tar Ciryatan (Armenelos)
MF- Maglor (Formenos)
MF- Hurin (Hithlum)
MF- The Phantom (T-I-G)
FW - Formendacil ((T-I-G)
FW- Turin (Hithlum)
FW- Feanor (Formenos)

Predictions:
TIG to beat Armenelos
Formenos to beat Hithlum

[Nogrod]

The finals will be held in the great city of Menegroth for the reason that it's good grounds looking at the teams, because of the prowess showed by their own team in the first rounds and because of the pure splendour of the place worth the finals.

The results of the games (the final, the bronze-match) will be posted tomorrow after the deadline for changes tp has set. After that I will be able to be online on Sunday for some last result-statistics and the phantom may post some of those before that if he has a chance to do that during his trip.

So the final results about the phantasy-championship will come... eventually.

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

I realised I had no space in the brackets to put predictions in, so:

Armenelos < Tol-in-Gaurhoth
Formenos > Hithlum

Plus this for my sister (I thought she'd do it herself. :/ )

--Luthien
++Cailin

--Ulmo
++Celebrimbor

--Turgon
++Hador

Lhuna
G- Huan (Formenos)
DF- Cailin (TIG)
DF- Celebrimbor (Formenos)
DF- Hador (Hithlum)
MF- Fingon (Hithlum)
MF- Ar Adunakhor (Armenelos)
MF- Fingon (Hithlum)
MF- Eomer (TIG)
MF- the phantom (TIG)
MF- Hurin (Hithlum)
FW- Fingolfin (Hithlum)

TIG over Armenelos
Hithlum over Formenos (Lhunardawen)

[the phantom]

Well, I'm back!

My vacation was lovely, but awfully tiring at the same time. Thanks to Nogrod and Skip for keeping everything rolling.

As soon as I have everything here at home caught back up I will get to work on final tallies and such. :)

[the phantom]

I made each of the semi-final predictions worth 3 points. The points are added into the total already.

Gwath- 23
G- Huan (Formenos)- 3
DF- Celebrimbor (Formenos)- 2
DF- Gandalf (Rivendell)-
DF- Tar-Atanamir (Armenelos)-
DF- Balrog #2 (Angband)-
MF- Boromir II (Rivendell)-
MF- Aredhel (Formenos)- 5
MF- Eol (Gondolin)-
FW- Ar-Pharazon (Armenelos)- 3
FW- Feanor (Formenos)- 7
FW- Tar-Minastir (Armenelos)-

McCaber- 26
G- Elros (Armenelos)- 2
DF- Tar Atanamir (Armenelos)-
DF- Gandalf (Rivendell)-
DF- Celebrimbor (Formenos)- 2
DF- Balrog #2 (Angband)-
MF- Eol (Gondolin)-
MF- Melkor (Angband)-
MF- Hurin (Hithlum)- 2
FW- Sauron (TIG)- 4
FW- Feanor (Formenos)- 7
FW- Maedhros (Formenos)- 3

Beasts and Beauties (Nog)- 20
G- Huan (Formenos)- 3
DF- Tar Telperien (Armenelos)-
DF- Cailín (Tol-In-Gaurhoth)-
DF- Elenwë (Túna)-
DF- Balrog #4 (Angband)-
MF- Idril (Gondolin)-
MF- Aredhel (Formenos)- 5
MF- the phantom (Tol-In-Gaurhoth)- 3
FW- Nogrod (Tol-In-Gaurhoth)- -1
FW- Ar Pharazon (Armenelos)- 3
FW- Sauron (Tol-In-Gaurhoth)- 4

The Rage of Ten Thousand Wargs (Eomer)- 28
G - Huan (Formenos)- 3
DF - Tar-Atanamir (Armenelos)-
DF - Turgon (Gondolin)-
DF - Cailin (T-I-G)-
DF - Celeborn (Rivendell)-
MF - Maglor (Formenos)-
MF - Hurin (Hithlum)- 2
MF - the phantom (T-I-G)- 3
FW - Feanor (Formenos)- 7
FW - Turin (Hithlum)- 7
FW - Ancalagon (Angband)-

Shadwell Army (Skip)- 26
G- Huan (Formenos)- 3
DF- Salgant (Gondolin)-
DF- Cailin (T-I-G)-
DF- Caranthir (Formenos)- 1
DF - Celeborn (Rivendell)-
MF- Melkor (Angband)-
MF- Hurin (Hithlum)- 2
MF- The Phantom (T-I-G)- 3
FW - Formendacil ((T-I-G)-
FW- Turin (Hithlum)- 7
FW- Feanor (Formenos)- 7

Silmarillion Squad (Nilp)- 17
G- Elros (Armenelos)- 2
DF- Tar Atanamir (Armenelos)-
DF- Hador (Hithlum)-
DF- Tar Telperien (Armenelos)-
MF- Lhuna (TIG)-
MF- the phantom (Tol-in-Gaurhoth)- 3
MF- Hurin (Gondolin)-
MF- Eomer (Tol-in-Gaurhoth)-
MF- Melkor (Angband)-
MF- Ar Adunakhor (Armenelos)- 5
FW- Túrin (Hithlum)- 7

Ang- 6
G– Galadriel (Lothlorien)-
DF– Goldberry (Breeland)-
DF– Luthien (Doriath)-
DF– Celegorm (Formenos)- 2
DF– Curufin (Formenos)- 1
MF– Daeron (Doriath)-
MF– Maglor (Formenos)-
MF– Finrod (Nargothrond)-
FW– Maedhros (Formenos)- 3
FW– Maeglin (Gondolin)-
FW– Eomer (Edoras)-

Lhuna- 20
G- Huan (Formenos)- 3
DF- Luthien (Doriath)-
DF- Ulmo (Valimar)-
DF- Turgon (Gondolin)-
MF- Fingon (Hithlum)-
MF- Ar Adunakhor (Armenelos)- 5
MF- Fingon (Hithlum)-
MF- Eomer (TIG)-
MF- the phantom (TIG)- 3
MF- Hurin (Hithlum)- 2
FW- Fingolfin (Hithlum)- 4

Cailin- 11
G - Tuor (Gondolin)-
DF - Elenwe (Tuna)-
DF - Turgon (Gondolin)-
DF - Balrog 4 (Angband)-
MF - Eomer of the Rohirrim (T-i-G)-
MF - Lhuna (T-i-G)-
MF - Aredhel (Formenos)- 5
MF - the phantom (T-i-G)- 3
MF - Fingon (Hithlum)-
MF - Tar Calmacil (Armenelos)-
FW - Maedhros (Formenos)- 3

Form- 23
G- Elros (Armenelos)- 2
DF- Lúthien (Doriath)-
DF- Cailin (TIG)-
DF- Hookbill the Goomba (TIG)-
DF- Tar-Atanamir (Armenelos)-
MF- Amrod (Formenos)-
MF- Ar Adunakhor (Armenelos)- 5
MF- Aredhel (Formenos)- 5
FW- Formendacil (TIG)-
FW- Fëanor (Formenos)- 7
FW- Sauron (TIG)- 4

Dwarves the Opposition (Elmo)-
G- Melian (Doriath)-
DF- Forweg (Amon Rhud)-
DF- Aule (Taniquetil)-
DF- Gram (Helm's Deep)-
DF- Elendur (Annumunas)-
MF- Melkor (Angband)-
MF- Denethor II (Minas Tirith)-
MF- Eomer (TIG)-
FW- Azog (Moria)-
FW- Ecthelion (Gondolin)-
FW- Finwe (Tuna)-

Updated standings after semifinals-
Gwath- 240
McCaber- 236
Eomer- 221
Nogrod- 216
Skip- 211
Nilp- 191
Form- 172
Anguirel- 166
Lhuna- 166
Cailin- 164
Elmo- 114

[the phantom]

Points after the final round! Each prediction was worth 4. They've already been added in.

Gwath- 22
G- Huan (Formenos)- 3
DF- Celebrimbor (Formenos)- 2
DF- Tar-Telperien (Armenelos)-
DF- Tar-Atanamir (Armenelos)-
DF- Balrog #2 (Angband)-
MF- Hurin (Hithlum)-
MF- Aredhel (Formenos)- 2
MF- the phantom (TIG)- 4
FW- Ar-Pharazon (Armenelos)- 4
FW- Feanor (Formenos)- 3
FW- Tar-Minastir (Armenelos)-

McCaber- 22
G- Elros (Armenelos)- 1
DF- Tar Atanamir (Armenelos)-
DF- Hookbill (TIG)- -1
DF- Celebrimbor (Formenos)- 2
DF- Balrog #2 (Angband)-
MF- Aredhel (Formenos)- 2
MF- the phantom (TIG)- 4
MF- Hurin (Hithlum)-
FW- Sauron (TIG)- 3
FW- Feanor (Formenos)- 3
FW- Maedhros (Formenos)- 4

The Rage of Ten Thousand Wargs (Eomer)- 18
G - Huan (Formenos)- 3
DF - Tar-Atanamir (Armenelos)-
DF - Turgon (Gondolin)-
DF - Cailin (TIG)- -1
DF - Celeborn (Rivendell)-
MF - Maglor (Formenos)- 5
MF - Hurin (Hithlum)-
MF - the phantom (TIG)- 4
FW - Feanor (Formenos)- 3
FW - Turin (Hithlum)- 4
FW - Ancalagon (Angband)-

Beasts and Beauties (Nog)- 27
G- Huan (Formenos)- 3
DF- Tar Telperien (Armenelos)-
DF- Cailín (TIG)- -1
DF- Elenwë (Túna)-
DF- Caranthir (Formenos)- 2
MF- Lhunardawen (TIG)- 3
MF- Aredhel (Formenos)- 2
MF- the phantom (TIG)- 4
FW- Fëanor (Formenos)- 3
FW- Ar Pharazon (Armenelos)- 4
FW- Sauron (TIG)- 3

Shadwell Army (Skip)- 29
G- Huan (Formenos)- 3
DF- Gwathagor (TIG)-
DF- Cailin (TIG)- -1
DF- Caranthir (Formenos)- 2
DF - Tar Ciryatan (Armenelos)- -1
MF- Maglor (Formenos)- 5
MF- Hurin (Hithlum)-
MF- The Phantom (TIG)- 4
FW - Formendacil ((TIG)- 2
FW- Turin (Hithlum)- 4
FW- Feanor (Formenos)- 3

Silmarillion Squad (Nilp)- 35
G- Huan (Formenos)- 3
DF- Hador (Hithlum)- -1
DF- Caranthir (Formenos)- 2
DF- Tar-Atanamir (Armenelos)-
MF- Lhunardawen (TIG)- 3
MF- Maglor (Formenos)- 5
MF- Húrin (Hithlum)-
MF- Eomer (TIG)- 4
MF- the phantom (TIG)- 4
MF- Ar-Adûnakhôr (Armenelos)- 3
FW- Túrin (Hithlum)- 4

Form- 12
G- Elros (Armenelos)- 1
DF- Lúthien (Doriath)-
DF- Cailin (TIG)- -1
DF- Hookbill the Goomba (TIG)- -1
DF- Tar-Atanamir (Armenelos)-
MF- Amrod (Formenos)-
MF- Ar Adunakhor (Armenelos)- 3
MF- Aredhel (Formenos)- 2
FW- Formendacil (TIG)- 2
FW- Fëanor (Formenos)- 3
FW- Sauron (TIG)- 3

Ang- 12
G– Galadriel (Lothlorien)-
DF– Goldberry (Breeland)-
DF– Luthien (Doriath)-
DF– Celegorm (Formenos)- 2
DF– Curufin (Formenos)- 1
MF– Daeron (Doriath)-
MF– Maglor (Formenos)- 5
MF– Finrod (Nargothrond)-
FW– Maedhros (Formenos)- 4
FW– Maeglin (Gondolin)-
FW– Eomer (Edoras)-

Lhuna- 17
G- Huan (Formenos)- 3
DF- Cailin (TIG)- -1
DF- Celebrimbor (Formenos)- 2
DF- Hador (Hithlum)- -1
MF- Fingon (Hithlum)- -1
MF- Ar Adunakhor (Armenelos)- 3
MF- Fingon (Hithlum)-
MF- Eomer (TIG)- 4
MF- the phantom (TIG)- 4
MF- Hurin (Hithlum)-
FW- Fingolfin (Hithlum)-

Cailin- 15
G - Tuor (Gondolin)-
DF - Elenwe (Tuna)-
DF - Turgon (Gondolin)-
DF - Balrog 4 (Angband)-
MF - Eomer of the Rohirrim (TIG)- 4
MF - Lhuna (TIG)- 3
MF - Aredhel (Formenos)- 2
MF - the phantom (TIG)- 4
MF - Fingon (Hithlum)- -1
MF - Tar Calmacil (Armenelos)- -1
FW - Maedhros (Formenos)- 4

Dwarves the Opposition (Elmo)-
G- Melian (Doriath)-
DF- Forweg (Amon Rhud)-
DF- Aule (Taniquetil)-
DF- Gram (Helm's Deep)-
DF- Elendur (Annumunas)-
MF- Melkor (Angband)-
MF- Denethor II (Minas Tirith)-
MF- Eomer (TIG)-
FW- Azog (Moria)-
FW- Ecthelion (Gondolin)-
FW- Finwe (Tuna)-

[the phantom]

Point standings after the final round-

Gwath- 262
McCaber- 258
Nogrod- 243
Skip- 240
Eomer- 239
Nilp- 226
Form- 184
Lhuna- 183
Cailin- 179
Anguirel- 178
Elmo- 114

All that is left is to add in bonus points for pre-tournament predictions.

[the phantom]

Okay, here are some real quick final stats. Nogrod has the complete list of fantasy point totals I believe.

MOST GOALS

7
Miriel (Tuna)
Maedhros (Formenos)
Turin (Hithlum)
Ar Pharazon (Armenelos)
6
Sauron (TIG)
Tar Minastir (Armenelos)
5
Feanor (Formenos)

MOST ASSISTS
6
Nerdanel (Tuna)
Feanor (Formenos)
the phantom (TIG)
5
Hurin (Hithlum)
Tar Ancalimon (Armenelos)

EDIT: According to my list Turin, Maedhros, and Feanor all ended with 37 fantasy points.

[the phantom]

Bonus points!!

Gwathagor- 10 points!
predicted the phantom for most assists

Skip- 10 points!
predicted Turin for most goals

Nilp- 10 points!
predicted Turin for most goals

Anguirel- 20 points!
predicted Maedhros for most fantasy points
predicted Formenos as tournament champion

Formendacil- 20 points!
predicted Miriel for most goals
predicted Turin for most fantasy points

All right, so unless Nogrod or someone finds an error in my scoring, here are the final fantasy totals...

Gwath- 272
McCaber- 258
Skip- 250
Nogrod- 243
Eomer- 239
Nilp- 236
Form- 204
Anguirel- 198
Lhuna- 183
Cailin- 179
Elmo- 114

I know some of you couldn't be around all the time to edit your teams and so had a tough time keeping up in the point totals, but thanks anyway for entering a team! :)

[Gwathagor]

:cool::cool::cool:

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Congratulations Gwath, and good game everyone. :)

[Nogrod]

I'll check the total points some time this evening... and there's the Arda Kicker magazine -stuff coming as well.

Congrats to Gwath for an excellent campaign!

[Nogrod]

Maedhros (Formenos) 37
Turin (Hithlum) 37

Ar Pharazon (Armenelos) 34
Hurin (Hithlum) 34

Miriel (Túna) 34

Sauron (T-I-G) 33

Fëanor (Formenos) 31

Maeglin (Gondolin) 29
Aredhel (Formenos) 29

Ar Adunakhor (Armenelos) 28
the phantom (T-I-G) 28

Eöl (Gondolin) 26
Tar Minastir (Armenelos) 26

[Gwathagor]

Sooo...are we doing this again next year? I want to see if my strategy was actually good, or if I was just consistently lucky.