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Feanor of the Peredhil
10-28-2008, 05:53 AM
The Moddesses:
Fea
Mithalwen
Rikae
The Players:
3 – corrupt politicians (werewolves)
1 – zealous reporter (seer)
X – ordinary villagers
The Concept:
A rider swept into the village one night carrying a package: he was directed to the home of the village scholar. He stayed only briefly, and then wasn’t seen again. The scholar spent the following days in seclusion, studying the plague of werewolves upon the world.
One day, about a week later, the scholar stepped forth from his home and called a town meeting.
“I know why people keep misdiagnosing lupine symptoms!” he cried to the people.
“Why?” they asked.
“It’s because the uneducated rabble are allowed a popular vote and we all know that they oughtn’t to be allowed to make such significant decisions when they’re merely uninformed blockheads!” he responded at full volume.
The people were rather offended. “Why shouldn’t we kill you for what you’ve just said?” they asked.
“Because I have a solution!” he cried.
“And that is?” asked a villager, eyebrow raised.
“Everybody will still get a vote,” he assured, to people’s relief, “but they will vote for the best and the brightest to represent their interests.”
His statement was met with blank stares.
He tried again. “The next time we have a problem with werewolves, witches, demons, vampires, or other unsavory sorts, rather than each villager picking who he wants to kill, each villager should choose somebody they believe to represent their best interests, and then the representatives chosen will put their smarter-than-average heads together and get us out of the mess.”
The villagers began to nod, some sooner than others, comprehending. One villager spoke up. “So instead of voting on issues, we vote on people to solve our issues for us?”
“Exactly! You delegate responsibility! It will simplify everything!” cried the scholar.
The village was dubious, but he was a scholar, and everybody knows that scholars are always right. Thusly the democratic village evolved into a wee bit of a republic overnight.
Night Time:
Nights will last 24 hours.
The wolves have the right and ability to communicate amongst themselves. They will choose a villager to kill. They will send the name of this villager to the moderator at least one hour before Day is to begin. That villager will be found dead at dawn.
The seer has the right and ability to request the identity of one villager per night from the moderator.
Day Time:
Days will last 48 hours.
During the Day, wolves are forbidden from communicating amongst themselves via Private Message.
The Day will contain two deadlines.
Deadline One will occur at the end of the first 24 hours. It is by Deadline One that the villagers must choose who will represent their interests in the final vote. Villagers will not vote for the player they believe to be a wolf. Villagers will vote for another villager to represent them: these chosen players are thence forward called Representatives. A player must acquire two non-retractable votes of confidence in order to become a Representative. A player may never vote for his or herself. A Representative’s vote carries as much power as there were votes to make said player a Representative, therefore: the final vote of a Representative who was chosen by four villagers will have exactly twice as much weight as the final vote of a Representative who was chosen by only two villagers. As long as a villager has received at least two non-retractable votes of confidence from the village before Deadline One, s/he will be considered a Representative for the final vote.
Votes of confidence (which elect Representatives) should appear as:
++Fea
Deadline Two will coincide with the end of the Day (24 hours after Deadline One). It is by Deadline Two that the village’s chosen Representatives must decide upon who will be lynched. To reiterate: the village will have 24 hours during which to choose Representatives, who will have a further 24 hours to vote for who they think should be lynched as a wolf. Representatives are by no means obligated to vote according to the wishes of their constituents, though it should be obvious that voting against the wishes of the people who elected you will probably result in bad karma.
The final non-retractable lynch-vote given by a Representative as a means to choose which villager is to be killed at the end of Day should appear as:
++Fea++
All villagers are allowed to talk for the entire duration of the Day, but only Representatives may vote after Deadline One.
Deadlines will be measured by the Barrowdowns clock.
Summarized Rules:
Votes are non-retractable.
You may never vote for yourself.
In the event of a tie-vote amongst Representatives, multiple lynches will occur.
Wolves may only PM at Night.
Dead players may communicate with each other about the game if they so desire, but not with players who are still alive. No crossing planes of existence.
Deadlines occur at X:00 ‘Downs time. Any votes logged at X:01 or later will not be counted.
As this game could easily fall into discussions of politics, role-playing is strictly prohibited. This game is absolutely not to break Barrowdowns Policy in any manner, but specifically in regard to political opinions. Keep ‘em to yourselves. Any breach of this rule will result in immediate and merciless modfire. If the delinquent player’s vote has already been cast, the vote will be disqualified. This remains true even if the player is a chosen Representative. Keep that in mind: if you’re a Rep and you get modfired, you’re throwing away the vote of every person who chose you. There will be no exceptions to this rule. Absolutely no personal politics, end of story.
Player List:
the phantom
Eönwë
Lommy
Legate
Diamond18
Gwathagor
Aganzir
Shasta
mormegil
Nogrod
Boromir88
Greenie
McCaber
Nerwen (?)
Rune
Brinniel
Gil-Galad
Ilya
Sally
The Ka
Feanor of the Peredhil
10-28-2008, 05:55 AM
Sign ups start now. We will begin as soon as possible after the end of Diamond's game.
Deadline is negotiable due to the nature of the game: a significant number of players must be able to be around for deadline. Let me know what will be the best deadline for you and I'll make an executive decision.
Eönwë
10-28-2008, 06:25 AM
Sign me up please.
A quick question: If you are voted to be a representative, if you vote for another representative, does that mean that your votees' weight (as in how many people voted for you) gets passed on to your representative, or do you still vote as a representative, just not representing yourself?
Feanor of the Peredhil
10-28-2008, 06:28 AM
Gotcha.
Thinlómien
10-28-2008, 07:21 AM
I have a feeling this will be horrible, but please sign me in. :D
Legate of Amon Lanc
10-28-2008, 07:27 AM
I am sure this will be great, it looks most, most interesting. Whenever it's going to take place, already now I am sure I'd like to attend this one.
Diamond18
10-28-2008, 08:29 AM
My work schedule is nigh impossible to work a deadline around. Ergo, I will play under the caveat that no one is allowed to make me a Representative on days I can't be around. There may be days where I'd be around in the last two hours, but surely there will be days when I won't. It doesn't matter what the deadline is, I work anytime between 4 AM and 1 AM on any given day, and I reserve the three hours in between for sleep. ;)
So, that said (I'm already making speeches about why I shouldn't be elected, hah) I'll play.
Gwathagor
10-28-2008, 09:15 AM
I'll play.
Rikae
10-28-2008, 09:39 AM
I love the concept! I would like to sign up, however, first I should add this disclaimer -
If I behave in a manner or express opinions (about my role as a voter/representative within the game, of course, not about any real-life issues) which mirror those of any RL politician, present or past, that won't be dubbed 'roleplaying', will it? Politics being politics, I think it's pretty much impossible that art won't imitate life to some degree here - if we don't point out the resemblence, I assume we're safe, right?
(I'm not talking about an outright caricature, such as mimicking the verbal idiosyncrasies of a real politician, for instance (would I do that? :Merisu:), but similarities in strategy only.)
If that's ok, please sign me up!
Aganzir
10-28-2008, 09:42 AM
Wow, this sounds really good.
Sign me in, please. :)
The best deadline for me would be something between 4 and 10 pm gmt.
Feanor of the Peredhil
10-28-2008, 11:44 AM
Politics being politics, I think it's pretty much impossible that art won't imitate life to some degree here - if we don't point out the resemblence, I assume we're safe, right?
It is impossible to be neutral and it would be no fun if everybody was. So of course you must somewhat imitate your political stance in RL... you can't avoid it. But the role playing I mean is, as you said, outright caricature.
Saying, "I believe that Fea should be our Representative because she's so much smarter than me!" and having somebody counter with, "Yeah, but that's a problem! I think my Representative should be enough like me that I'm certain of his/her motives, and can we ever really trust Fea even when she doesn't have more power than us?"
That's not problematic.
But if it veers anywhere toward oh, I dunno, terrorist fist jabbin', doncha know, or maybe somethin' about Putin rearin' his ugly head, or oh, say, the economy or international relations or lipstick or etcetera, I might just have to jump in with, "Say it ain't so, Joe (Plumber, Sixpack, Lunchbox)! I'm just gonna have to pull out my nuke-u-ler Moddess weapon of mass destruction and make sure all that--
You get the picture.
No caricature, no extended metaphor, no identifiable reference to RL politics beyond any way in which your natural political stance will affect your voting In Game.
Is that clear enough?
And I'm not just talking American politics. I'll just have an easier time noticing references to them than I will references to international politics. So just-- honor system, 'k guys?
I'm sure it won't be a problem.
Shastanis Althreduin
10-28-2008, 11:57 AM
Me, please. The deadline right now in Di's game is perfect for me, for future reference.
Rikae
10-28-2008, 12:12 PM
no extended metaphor
Not even a teensy, weensy one? :Merisu:
Well, I guess *grumble grumble* I can play by the rules. :D
The deadline right now in Di's game is perfect for me, for future reference.
Pesky midwesterners!
Feanor of the Peredhil
10-28-2008, 12:18 PM
Not even a teensy, weensy one?
*grins*
Just to give everybody an idea:
The best deadline for me would be between 6-11pm EST. I'd have to get wildly creative to accommodate a DL that wasn't between those times.
the phantom
10-28-2008, 02:33 PM
I'm with Shasta. The later the better.
11 PM EST is the best time from the window you offered. I'd be absolutely thrilled to see a 1 AM EST deadline, but I don't want you screwing up your sleep schedule.
Aganzir
10-28-2008, 02:47 PM
The best deadline for me would be between 6-11pm EST. I'd have to get wildly creative to accommodate a DL that wasn't between those times.
I guess I speak for all Europeans when I say that 11pm EST would be quite impossible for us. I think it would be four in the morning for the Brits, five for Central Europeans, and six for us Finns. I'd really prefer 6pm EST (which is 1am for us).
Feanor of the Peredhil
10-28-2008, 03:16 PM
Here's an idea-
Rather than having that two hour end-of-day thing I could split the day in half: Deadline One, when you'd need to choose Reps, would be the middle of the day and then there'd be much more time at the end of day?
I'll think about the logistics of it during my night class and people should tell me if there are any major glaring flaws to that idea.
Rikae
10-28-2008, 03:26 PM
Any time in the range you listed is great for me, Fea.
Hooray for having a mod in my own time zone!
As for splitting the day -if you mean making the first deadline something like 6am, I could see it being difficult for people to vote in time.
Diamond18
10-28-2008, 04:41 PM
If you split the day, you would inevitably have one side of the Atlantic choosing the Representatives and the other half being the Representatives. Because one group would be around in the first half of the day and the second would be around in the latter. I believe am I correct in this summation, anyway.
And midwesterners ftw. I'm suggesting right away that you make the deadline at night and defer all important matters to phantom, Shasta, and myself. And also make us the three wolves, of course.
Shastanis Althreduin
10-28-2008, 05:08 PM
Pesky whatever region you're in, Rikae! :p
And midwesterners ftw. I'm suggesting right away that you make the deadline at night and defer all important matters to phantom, Shasta, and myself. And also make us the three wolves, of course.
Seconded. :D
A perfect deadline for me would be 11pm CST, which is... is that 9 pm EST or is that 12 am EST? I always get confused that way.
Edit: Fea, maybe split the day into thirds, with the first 16 hours being Representative and the last 8 hours being Wolf?
Durelin
10-28-2008, 05:14 PM
How about 48 hour days?
(Sorry, not a sign up post, just being nosey. I'd like to take part in this but really don't think I can.)
Feanor of the Peredhil
10-28-2008, 06:52 PM
Not a bad idea at all...
Anybody opposed to 24 hours Nights and 48 hour Days?
24 hours to choose your reps
24 hours for them to function
24 hours for night time activities to occur.
I like it very, very much.
Yes, that's a very good idea.
That's how it will go, I've decided.
Thinlómien
10-29-2008, 03:09 AM
48-hour days is probably the fairest system you can come up with, but it does make the game a little slow-paced...
Aganzir
10-29-2008, 06:05 AM
I agree it sounds the best. Then the deadline doesn't really matter to me, although the earlier the better.
Feanor of the Peredhil
10-29-2008, 06:22 AM
it does make the game a little slow-paced...
I thought about that, but I really want the game to work in multiple timezones. Since there are two very specific portions of the Day, I might as well give each of them a full twenty-four hours to develop, as opposed to what somebody suggested about one side of the Atlantic always getting to be the Reps due to necessity.
Don't worry- I've just had an idea about how I can add interest to those long, long days... :smokin:
Legate of Amon Lanc
10-29-2008, 09:09 AM
Well, if you can make these long Days interesting, the better, because I am somewhat worried they might be pretty long and silent. But whatever way you wish. Originally, when I just skimmed through the thread, without reading properly the rules, I caught myself later during the day thinking how are you going to do that, and since I was not by the computer, I started to imagine possibilities and I came up with one conclusion, which was quite different from the one you present here, so I may as well save it for some game of mine. :)
But let me say it just for the sake of saying it - if we discounted Day 1, then every other Day people could vote for everybody regardless of timezone, because they will have some basis for trusting or not trusting them based on their expereince from former Days. Of course, I will have more current posts from those who are online by the start of the Day, but still I should have enough material from the others, too.
But that's just a comment.
mormegil
10-29-2008, 10:02 AM
I'm in...that is if you'll have me.
the phantom
10-29-2008, 11:51 AM
Well, if you can make these long Days interesting, the better, because I am somewhat worried they might be pretty long and silent.
No reason to worry about that sort of thing, Legate.
the phantom is playing.
Legate of Amon Lanc
10-29-2008, 12:12 PM
the phantom is playing.
Mwa ha ha. In that case, I already know what I am going to do...
Okay all people, let's NOT vote Mr.P. as our representative at all!!!
Aganzir
10-29-2008, 12:16 PM
Okay all people, let's NOT vote Mr.P. as our representative at all!!!
Except if I tell you to. Seriously. ;)
mormegil
10-29-2008, 12:35 PM
Now if I understand this correctly, there will essentially be 3 full periods to complete a cycle, evertime. So we have 24 hours to elect a representative, 24 to lynch, 24 to night, then start all over with a new 24 hour period to elect new reps...correct?
Feanor of the Peredhil
10-29-2008, 01:39 PM
Now if I understand this correctly, there will essentially be 3 full periods to complete a cycle, evertime. So we have 24 hours to elect a representative, 24 to lynch, 24 to night, then start all over with a new 24 hour period to elect new reps...correct?
Yes.
Shastanis Althreduin
10-29-2008, 03:30 PM
No reason to worry about that sort of thing, Legate.
the phantom is playing.
Oh lord.... :rolleyes:
Nogrod
10-29-2008, 05:08 PM
I'm in... how could one miss this? :)
Boromir88
10-29-2008, 05:14 PM
Yes Legate, no need to worry...
the phantom is playing.
Because I will be joining in the melee too, Fea. :D
A Little Green
10-30-2008, 01:39 PM
Gah. I'd really love to play, the concept is very interesting, but I don't know if I have the time... Can you sign me in as a questionmark please? I'll verify a bit later whether I'm able to participate. It depends on the date on which the game starts..
McCaber
10-30-2008, 03:19 PM
I'll do this one. I like the rules twists.
Shastanis Althreduin
10-30-2008, 07:54 PM
Yes Legate, no need to worry...
Because I will be joining in the melee too, Fea. :D
Double oh lord. :rolleyes:
Fea, they both deserve to have me eat their faces. Make me a wolf! :smokin:
Feanor of the Peredhil
10-30-2008, 08:00 PM
Make me a wolf! :smokin:
I haven't decided yet whether or not I'll select roles in such a manner. If I do, rest assured: I won't let you know.
Nerwen
10-30-2008, 11:18 PM
Can I do a provisional sign-up? I have exams coming up... but then I think I'm suffering from WW withdrawal...:eek:
Thinlómien
10-31-2008, 04:24 AM
Boro and Nerwen! Yay! I missed you! :D:)
Mithalwen
10-31-2008, 07:32 AM
This looks good.
Lots of favourite people .... :D
Boromir88
11-01-2008, 07:37 AM
Lommy, say the word "politics" and I will immediately race in. :rolleyes:
Lots of favourite people ....
There you go, Mith, causing division in a time when we need unity. Splitting the 'Downs up into your favourites and those in ill-favour. :p
Feanor of the Peredhil
11-01-2008, 07:58 AM
There you go, Mith, causing division in a time when we need unity. Splitting the 'Downs up into your favourites and those in ill-favour. :p
Yes, well, we all know that it's perfectly okay for her to do that, because the ill-favor ones? They're anti-Downs anyway. They go against everything we stand for.
Rikae
11-01-2008, 09:43 AM
I think I'll withdraw from this game. Sorry, Fea. I just can't stomach being accused of being manipulative any more right now, and that's just part of the game, so I should probably take some time off from WW entirely.
Mithalwen
11-01-2008, 03:30 PM
There you go, Mith, causing division in a time when we need unity. Splitting the 'Downs up into your favourites and those in ill-favour. :p
You surely aren't accusing me of croneyism are you, Mister 88? Suggesting that "Friends of Mithalwen" may enjoy special favours in this game? You might very well think that - I of course could not possibly comment. Besides executive power resides with Fea. I am more of a Humphrey, maybe a spook - my influence is going to be limited by being spark out at crucial moments . :Merisu:
Feanor of the Peredhil
11-01-2008, 03:41 PM
It is definitely a sham government... We all know I'm the puppet master of these events.
Mithalwen
11-01-2008, 03:49 PM
I vote for Graces, Fates or Furies since if we go for that Triple Moddess thing I will end up being the Crone. I'm in my prime I tell you....
Feanor of the Peredhil
11-01-2008, 04:14 PM
I thought it would be more thematically appropriate to go with executive, judicial, and legislative. Checks and balances, and all that... Of course with my sham government firmly in place, the system won't actually be balanced... We may need to work on that...
Boromir88
11-01-2008, 04:25 PM
I thought it would be more thematically appropriate to go with executive, judicial, and legislative.
Ooh, that would give me the chance to emulate Eisenhower's biggest regret, Judge Warren. :p
Mithalwen
11-01-2008, 04:46 PM
Ooh I am going to have to mug up my US constitution aren't I? I took a class on that way back when I studied in France but otherwise my tutors are Messrs Jon Stewart and PJ O'Rourke - interesting combo that....
Feanor of the Peredhil
11-01-2008, 06:06 PM
Jon Stewart's tutorials on life should suit you just fine. Besides- if I was really emulating the system, we'd have an electoral college to deal with.
Nerwen
11-01-2008, 11:13 PM
Boro and Nerwen! Yay! I missed you! :D:)
I missed you too!:D
Rune Son of Bjarne
11-02-2008, 04:02 AM
oh Politics. . .YAY
I actually thought there would be no signing for quite a while, otherwise I would have signed up earlier. . .
I hope to be done with my papers and such by the time this starts, so if it is not yet full I would like to sign up.
Feanor of the Peredhil
11-02-2008, 06:41 AM
so if it is not yet full I would like to sign up.
The more the merrier.
Gwathagor
11-02-2008, 08:13 AM
Can I just say that politicians are scum? They really are. I thought I'd get that out of the way early so I won't feel tempted to harp on it during the game.
the phantom
11-02-2008, 06:23 PM
Okay all people, let's NOT vote Mr.P. as our representative at all!!!
There will arise a point in the game where you will be convinced of something, Legate, and no one in the village will believe you, except me....
You'll cry to the heavens, "If I cannot gain voting power, please let Phantom be a representative!!"
And your plea will be met with laughter, and a scornful reply from the ModGods and ModGoddesses above. "Now you want his help? Ha ha ha! Sorry, but it's too late. Your hasty statement in the admin thread has already done its work. You're doomed! DOOMED!!"
Or at least that might happen.
the phantom
11-02-2008, 06:26 PM
Ah, Boro is playing! See, I told you this village wouldn't be a quiet one.
Well, if he and I are the first to go, you'll know to go after Shasta. :D
Feanor of the Peredhil
11-02-2008, 06:28 PM
If the game is quiet, I'll pout.
Feanor of the Peredhil
11-02-2008, 06:29 PM
Oh, I forgot to mention:
Filibusters are allowed.
Boromir88
11-02-2008, 06:40 PM
Filibusters are allowed.
Can a filibuster-proof majority be reached? :p
Feanor of the Peredhil
11-02-2008, 06:43 PM
Can a filibuster-proof majority be reached? :p
Sure have at it. :p
Shastanis Althreduin
11-03-2008, 02:04 AM
Filibusters? I think I may die of shock. :p
Mithalwen
11-03-2008, 07:32 AM
Ah, Boro is playing! See, I told you this village wouldn't be a quiet one.
Well, if he and I are the first to go, you'll know to go after Shasta. :D
Or one of your moddesses - Mr 88 has made himself extremely vulnerable to modfire from me.... :p
But I shall try to curb imperialist tendancies to reclaim territory in the name of my soveriegn lady.:Merisu:
Boromir88
11-06-2008, 09:46 AM
Or one of your moddesses - Mr 88 has made himself extremely vulnerable to modfire from me....~Mith
If it helps, I've also compared my niece to her, and the response was far more severe than a modfire. :eek:
A Little Green
11-06-2008, 10:38 AM
Does anyone have an idea of the starting date?
Brinniel
11-06-2008, 10:40 AM
I should be getting a new laptop sometime this weekend (hopefully tomorrow), so I'm in. Though in all preference, I'd rather not have the game start until after tomorrow.
Feanor of the Peredhil
11-06-2008, 04:25 PM
Does anyone have an idea of the starting date?
Since I have a major paper due tomorrow that I haven't yet started, I work most of Saturday, and I've got tickets to a sweet concert Sunday night, I'm thinking I'll send the roles out Sunday afternoon before I leave and kick off Day One on Monday.
Anybody not okay with that?
Aganzir
11-06-2008, 04:30 PM
Hmm have we agreed on a deadline yet?
Feanor of the Peredhil
11-06-2008, 04:32 PM
Also, deadlines are going to be 10:30pm EST unless somebody makes an argument for another time that won't kill me.
Shastanis Althreduin
11-06-2008, 04:42 PM
Also, deadlines are going to be 10:30pm EST unless somebody makes an argument for another time that won't kill me.
That's 9:30pm CST... pity it can't be half an hour later. :( I'm afraid I may miss deadlines because rehearsals will run long, in which case I'll have to vote four hours early.
the phantom
11-06-2008, 05:09 PM
Also, deadlines are going to be 10:30pm EST unless somebody makes an argument for another time that won't kill me.
Make an argument, eh? All right...
Blah-blah-blah a little later. Yadda-yadda wouldn't kill you. Dooby-doo just like Shasta. Sha-na-na 1 AM is perfect. Horse-with-no-name settle for less. Dino-BBQ-chips please a little later?
There! A brilliant argument if I may say so.
Brinniel
11-06-2008, 05:23 PM
10:30pm is lovely because then I will neither have class or have to stay up later than necessary for deadline.
Though for Shasta's sake, if you bumped it to a half hour later, I'd be perfectly okay. ;)
Feanor of the Peredhil
11-06-2008, 05:35 PM
11pm's fine. Later will result in a cranky moddess due to loss of sleep. This semester's schedule of getting up obnoxiously early every day is sort of eating me.
Phantom: your memory goes back far.
Boromir88
11-06-2008, 05:43 PM
To warm up my true diplomatic spirit, are you fine with a compromise of 10:45 EST? :p
Feanor of the Peredhil
11-06-2008, 05:55 PM
To warm up my true diplomatic spirit, are you fine with a compromise of 10:45 EST? :p
I am, but you'll need to get the votes of your fellow villagers for the proposition to pass. :smokin:
Shastanis Althreduin
11-06-2008, 06:24 PM
11pm's fine. Later will result in a cranky moddess due to loss of sleep. This semester's schedule of getting up obnoxiously early every day is sort of eating me.
Phantom: your memory goes back far.
I vote this! :D
the phantom
11-06-2008, 06:46 PM
Compromise, Boro?
Psh... Compromise is just a word for everybody-loses-because-nobody-stood-up-and-took-charge. :D
Phantom: your memory goes back far.
Farther than that even. I seem to recall orange streaks at one point- as well as a time when Earth Science/Geology teacher was the second path of choice.
My little grey cells retain quite a bit.
Feanor of the Peredhil
11-06-2008, 06:58 PM
I seem to recall orange streaks at one point- as well as a time when Earth Science/Geology teacher was the second path of choice.
That was at least four years ago...
the phantom
11-06-2008, 07:28 PM
Perhaps more.
Time flies.
Mithalwen
11-07-2008, 06:53 AM
If it helps, I've also compared my niece to her, and the response was far more severe than a modfire. :eek:
Not really given that she has the advantage of proximity. But I was mentally holding her coat. Your niece's that is....
:Merisu:
Rune Son of Bjarne
11-07-2008, 08:25 AM
To warm up my true diplomatic spirit, are you fine with a compromise of 10:45 EST? :p
So you would have us settle for a time that does not suit any of the parts in the argument and instead use a time that suits no one. . . .
Should we not try to find the time that is best for most people, instead of seaking weak compromises that will be to the benefit of no one. :p
(Oh I see Phantom already spoke on the matter)
Anyways about this filibustering. . . Is it american style which means that there is no restrictions on speaking time?
Or do we have subcommittees we can make inquireries to and such?
Eönwë
11-07-2008, 08:36 AM
Hmm. Seems like it'll be another American-second-half game.
Diamond18
11-07-2008, 10:27 AM
Since I have a major paper due tomorrow that I haven't yet started, I work most of Saturday, and I've got tickets to a sweet concert Sunday night, I'm thinking I'll send the roles out Sunday afternoon before I leave and kick off Day One on Monday.
Anybody not okay with that?
I'm more than okay with it -- I was just about to post saying that if the game is starting now, I won't be around at all from Friday evening to Monday morning, and if anyone *coughnogcough* were to fault me for not being around I will do my best to lynch them for the rest of the game. :p (See, modding a "Lovers" game for a week without having seen my own for three can get me all cranky, especially after sifting through all those pictures of Cupid/Psyche, Tristan/Isolde, Romeo/Juliet snogging.) :rolleyes:
In short, you will not see me until Monday. So that's the perfect day to start.
The deadline time itself isn't going to matter to me, as there is absolutely no time that will work for me every day. See? Makes things easy. I defer to our Dead Moddess' schedule. She's the only one who HAS TO be around at deadline, yes?
Legate of Amon Lanc
11-07-2008, 10:32 AM
The deadline time itself isn't going to matter to me, as there is absolutely no time that will work for me every day. See? Makes things easy. I defer to our Dead Moddess' schedule. She's the only one who HAS TO be around at deadline, yes?
Yup, it's similar with me. And in fact, even better, as the voting won't hopefully be such a rush as usually as we always first have these delegates... *hint hint* ;)
Diamond18
11-07-2008, 10:57 AM
Hmm. I meant to say "Dear Moddess" not "Dead Moddess." Oh well, it's werewolf, must have death on the brain. ;)
Gil-Galad
11-07-2008, 11:49 AM
alright lets get this over with, add me to the list good madam.
Been a long time since I werewolfed it up, but I'd like to play if there's still room.
Feanor of the Peredhil
11-07-2008, 01:15 PM
Been a long time since I werewolfed it up, but I'd like to play if there's still room.
Certainly. Welcome on board.
Boromir88
11-07-2008, 04:14 PM
Rune, you and phantom think far too negatively towards compromise. All-or-nothing ends in destruction. Nations are formed on compromise. :rolleyes:
Maybe we should save this for the showdown, and maybe Fea is regretting her decision to allow me in. ;)
the phantom
11-07-2008, 04:34 PM
All-or-nothing ends in destruction.
Is that not what we're aiming for?
Besides, so long as the destruction isn't your own, you win, right? ;)
Nogrod
11-07-2008, 05:08 PM
11pm's fine.11PM EST that is? It seems to be 6AM our time... So you should expect some early voting from the finnish representatives at least. And I do believe the British caucus will join our ranks in that electional behaviour as it will be 4AM to them... unless some of them are real hardcore politicians staying up that late - or some of us are even more serious to wake up that early... :D
Which is no bad thing as we Finns - among other Europeans - have largely dominated the late calls for votes in a host of games lately, so now it's time for you in the US to make the final choices like you did in Di's game! Lead us on America! ;)
Brinniel
11-07-2008, 05:15 PM
Anyways about this filibustering. . . Is it american style which means that there is no restrictions on speaking time?
Well, surely you'll have at least until deadline...
See, modding a "Lovers" game for a week without having seen my own for three can get me all cranky, especially after sifting through all those pictures of Cupid/Psyche, Tristan/Isolde, Romeo/Juliet snogging.
Pah, at least you have one...unlike many of us here. :p
unless some of them are real hardcore politicians staying up that late - or some of us are even more serious to wake up that early
And would you be one of those, Nogrod? I noticed you staying up until the wee hours of the morning some of those Days during the last game. Not like it's something I don't do either... ;)
Nogrod
11-07-2008, 05:25 PM
And would you be one of those, Nogrod? I noticed you staying up until the wee hours of the morning some of those Days during the last game.Well that depends... One of them was a weekend-night and the other was the US election night (when I had no school the next day).
So depending... I might be a politician enough like you. :)
Feanor of the Peredhil
11-07-2008, 06:48 PM
maybe Fea is regretting her decision to allow me in. ;)
Mr. 88, you know better than that.
Well, surely you'll have at least until deadline...
I was partially joking when I said that about filibustering, but at least half serious. I just haven't worked out the best way to include it. I'm in love, you see, with the concept of a filibuster which is, for those unfamiliar:
The use of obstructionist tactics, especially prolonged speechmaking, for the purpose of delaying legislative action
I think the only practical way to manage it would be if the player in question declared their filibuster and then was forced to post continuously, at least once per minute or two, about the specific topic in question (which would need to be declared at the onset). If the player lapsed, the filibuster would end. Until the filibuster ceased, votes could not be cast.
Can others think of a better way to institute this?
Of course I should also mention that a filibuster-proof majority can be reached. By this I mean that if at least 2/3 of the village votes that filibusters aren't allowed, they can't happen.
Boromir88
11-07-2008, 07:20 PM
Besides, so long as the destruction isn't your own, you win, right?~the phantom
Point taken, but we can scratch eachother's backs until the inevitable destruction. Really it's two different means that hopefully reach the same end. You either take what you want and use you're royal authority to axe opponents, or do some insider trading to gain it. There still are winners and losers in compromising, ask Hitler who took advantage of the soft Allied leaders. :p
Fea, are you assigning character roles, or can we choose? If so, I would like to be...the Senator who was so gaffe-prone he got run out of his country. :D
Feanor of the Peredhil
11-07-2008, 07:34 PM
Fea, are you assigning character roles, or can we choose? If so, I would like to be...the Senator who was so gaffe-prone he got run out of his country. :D
There will be no character roles. I'll handle narrative characterization by referencing in-game events. I cannot, of course, stop you from being gaffe-prone. :)
satansaloser2005
11-07-2008, 08:33 PM
Doo doo doo doo.
When are you thinking of starting, love? I'm thinking about taking a couple games off but if this starts after Thursday or so I may just have to join. Seriously, how often does a concept like this pop up?
Feanor of the Peredhil
11-07-2008, 08:51 PM
When are you thinking of starting, love? I'm thinking about taking a couple games off but if this starts after Thursday or so I may just have to join. Seriously, how often does a concept like this pop up?
Monday. If I hold off longer I'll be fettered by travel, term papers, and holidays. I'd very much like you to play, though.
satansaloser2005
11-07-2008, 08:52 PM
Monday. If I hold off longer I'll be fettered by travel, term papers, and holidays. I'd very much like you to play, though.
Hmmmm. I'll think about it. Several papers on deck and a scene to direct, so I'll let you know hopefully sometime tomorrow.
satansaloser2005
11-07-2008, 11:15 PM
I'm in.
Brinniel
11-08-2008, 12:34 AM
I think the only practical way to manage it would be if the player in question declared their filibuster and then was forced to post continuously, at least once per minute or two, about the specific topic in question (which would need to be declared at the onset). If the player lapsed, the filibuster would end. Until the filibuster ceased, votes could not be cast.
Hmm...I think that could be a way to do it. I don't know how else...it becomes a bit difficult when everything must be written out.
Can the topic be about anything? A teacher once told my class about how someone simply read out of a phone book for hours... :D
satansaloser2005
11-08-2008, 12:43 AM
Hmm...I think that could be a way to do it. I don't know how else...it becomes a bit difficult when everything must be written out.
Can the topic be about anything? A teacher once told my class about how someone simply read out of a phone book for hours... :D
Hmmmm. I'm almost tempted to say that happened in Nebraska. Because I know a certain man who would do something like that. :rolleyes:
Alternatively, that happens in "Mr. Smith Goes to Washington" if I'm not mistaken.
Shastanis Althreduin
11-08-2008, 12:54 AM
Hmm...I think that could be a way to do it. I don't know how else...it becomes a bit difficult when everything must be written out.
Can the topic be about anything? A teacher once told my class about how someone simply read out of a phone book for hours... :D
Strom Thurmond read out of a dictionary.
the phantom
11-08-2008, 01:02 AM
I'm torn on this.
Filibustering seems like a hilarious idea that would be true to the spirit of this village, but all it would take would be one occurance- some devious manipulative jerk (aka Phantom) would come along and actually do it for a solid two hours before the deadline and negate people's votes, and then everyone would be ticked off and wish we had never adopted the filibuster rule.
Because I know a certain man who would do something like that.
Good old Ernie. :rolleyes:
Shastanis Althreduin
11-08-2008, 01:12 AM
I'm torn on this.
Filibustering seems like a hilarious idea that would be true to the spirit of this village, but all it would take would be one occurance- some devious manipulative jerk (aka Phantom) would come along and actually do it for a solid two hours before the deadline and negate people's votes, and then everyone would be ticked off and wish we had never adopted the filibuster rule.
Good old Ernie. :rolleyes:
If we have a filibuster rule, we need a cloture rule as well. Perhaps if a majority of the people alive PM the mod, the filibuster is stopped?
Feanor of the Peredhil
11-08-2008, 08:14 AM
some devious manipulative jerk (aka Phantom) would come along and actually do it for a solid two hours before the deadline and negate people's votes
Its precise purpose, of course...
I'd have to make it so that any votes cast before the beginning of the filibuster were counted.
and then everyone would be ticked off and wish we had never adopted the filibuster rule.
I could make it so that you could either have or not have a filibuster depending on how the voting goes each day...
Yes, oh I'm aware- this game contains like twenty times more voting opportunities than any other. :cool:
Nogrod
11-08-2008, 09:11 AM
How about just deciding that if someone decides to go for the filibuster s/he could announce it prior the deadline (like if someone is thinking that the vote is going the wrong way) and s/he could then fill the time for as long as s/he can over the deadline - within certain limits (like the "a post per two minutes" or something) - to convince the others the vote is going the wrong way. And after that those who had already voted would have a short time-span to re-vote if they thought the filibusterer was right?
Or should the filibuster-thing be more like just trying to fill the talking space so that no one else can say or do anything - thus effectively denying others a possibility to cast their votes or share their points? Like if you say you're filibustering then no one else has a right to post on the thread and the clock ticks towards the deadline all the time? That would be insane indeed... I mean looking at the people joining this game! :D
Feanor of the Peredhil
11-08-2008, 09:43 AM
I was leaning toward the idea that people could still post and talk-
but they wouldn't be able to vote while the filibuster was occurring.
So essentially the filibuster would serve the purpose to indefinitely delay the vote as the clock ticked away toward deadline. Any votes prior to the filibuster would be counted whereas until the filibuster ends, no votes can be cast?
I would make the rule, "Only one filibuster at a time." :cool:
Boromir88
11-08-2008, 10:53 AM
I would make the rule, "Only one filibuster at a time."
I would say that's a good idea.
Also, I agree with Shasta, if we do a filibuster (where no voting can take place once the filibuster has started and until it is ended) there has to be a cloture, so those diligent representatives who do want to get business done can.
Fo that, I would suggest to cast a vote (in the thread) for a cloture?
++cloture
Because, I think if we were to send PM's to the mods, that would cause a bit of an overload, and when it's getting towards the deadline, that could also cause extremely slow action at a bad time.
(Just so everyone is on the same page, a cloture is different from a filibuster-proof majority. The former ends a filibuster that has started, the latter prevents a filibuster from ever beginning).
For a cloture, obviously not everyone can be around all the time, (or at the deadline), so my idea would be a certain base vote (5-6?) to end a filibuster, instead of going with "majority" rule, because it could be hard to get that majority vote for those who can't be around at the deadline.
For a filibuster-proof majority, the way I understand it is in the States, it's a 2/3 majority that prevents a filibuster from ever starting. So, would we want to in the first 24 hours, while voting for our representative, also want to vote on the filibuster rule for the next 24 hour period? If 2/3 is reached there can be no filibusters for the next 24 hours?
Now you see why Government can be extremely slow in taking actions :p
Gwathagor
11-08-2008, 11:13 AM
Sooo complicated. :confused:
Thinlómien
11-08-2008, 11:30 AM
Sooo complicated. :confused:My words exactly. But I'm not even supposed to understand since I'm not American... ;)
Legate of Amon Lanc
11-08-2008, 11:48 AM
I think the only practical way to manage it would be if the player in question declared their filibuster and then was forced to post continuously, at least once per minute or two, about the specific topic in question (which would need to be declared at the onset). If the player lapsed, the filibuster would end. Until the filibuster ceased, votes could not be cast.
I say this sounds really interesting, the only problem being that I am afraid it will be horribly complicated. Also, some players would really like to filibuster just for the sake of it, even if they had no other reason to! (Like me :D Yay!) But then, filibustering does not have much sense in other time than around DL, which would again mean that half of the players would actually miss that :( Of course us Europeans could mess around the time when the rest of the Europeans votes, or anybody could start to filibuster after somebody (not very cleverly) says "I have to rush in half an our, but will post yet and cast my vote meanwhile". But that's still nothing much set, and especially when the times when us Europeans may go to sleep may differ greatly. (However, it will be in this case really about the thing who will get annoyed earlier: whether the filibuster, or the voter who would just ignore and go to sleep :) )
Feanor of the Peredhil
11-08-2008, 11:52 AM
Re: Boromir's most recent post:
Yes.
And I've just had a thought- since there will be so much voting in this game, I ask that rather than bolding your votes, you highlight them like so:
++Fea
Which is done by way of using tags just like quote tags, except with the word 'highlight' replacing the word 'quote'. Is that clear?
Thinlómien
11-08-2008, 12:02 PM
Just for the record, filibusters are going to rocket to the top of my lynch list!!! :mad::p:D
Legate of Amon Lanc
11-08-2008, 12:38 PM
And I've just had a thought- since there will be so much voting in this game, I ask that rather than bolding your votes, you highlight them like so:
++Fea
Just the voting votes (for lynching) or the representative-voting votes as well?
Just trying...
++Huh
Yes, it works.
Just for the record, filibusters are going to rocket to the top of my lynch list!!! :mad::p:D
Heijjj, but I want to be a filibuster!
And, Fea, how would then the filibustering be discerned? Would somebody post something like:
++filibustering++
and when he decided to end it
/filibustering
(or simply ceasing to post).
By the way, also, it will be, I think, really complicated to maintain the rule whether somebody is filibustering or not. For, unless the Mod were to sit by the computer and moderate it in some way (which is impossible anyway), it could (possibly) come to a situation "Hey, he voted when I was still filibustering!" - "No, I didn't! You weren't filibustering already for a minute!" - "No, according to my clock it had not been a minute yet!" etc.
Thinlómien
11-08-2008, 12:48 PM
Heijjj, but I want to be a filibuster!
I know, and I have no doubt I would love trying it too. But on the other hand, I'm sure all the filibustering is going to drive me crazy, so I'm going to vote filibusters just out of annoyance. :D;)
And I agree that there should be some easy way of discerning when someone's filibustering and when s/he's not.
Eönwë
11-08-2008, 03:43 PM
By the way, also, it will be, I think, really complicated to maintain the rule whether somebody is filibustering or not. For, unless the Mod were to sit by the computer and moderate it in some way (which is impossible anyway), it could (possibly) come to a situation "Hey, he voted when I was still filibustering!" - "No, I didn't! You weren't filibustering already for a minute!" - "No, according to my clock it had not been a minute yet!" etc.
I can imagine the chaos!
I'm sure some people *cough*tp*cough* will love it! ;)
++Yay it works
Feanor of the Peredhil
11-08-2008, 04:22 PM
I certainly can't sit around and watch for a filibuster all day. So what will need to happen is the person who is filibustering will post
Initializing Filibuster
and must post on one specific topic which directly relates to werewolf. People may continue to post while the filibuster is in progress, but they may not vote until it ends.
The filibuster will end either when:
1) the player in question types End Filibuster
2) at least half of the surviving village votes
++cloture
which will force the filibuster to end
3) the player who is filibustering fails to post within the required time, which is every two minutes according to what the 'Downs clock says.
Example:
If Filibuster Post 1 occurs at 12:01pm EST Downs Time, then Filibuster Post 2 must occur before the clock changes to 12:04pm EST Downs Time.
This will be self-moderated, as players will be able to see for themselves what time the post went through.
No player is allowed more than one filibuster per game. I'm looking at you, Misters Phantom and 88.
Of course the simplest way to deal with a filibuster will be to keep it from happening at all, in which case one votes prior to it occurring:
++No Filibuster
At least one half of the village must vote against a filibuster every Day to keep one from occurring.
---
Summary:
You'll want to either approve or deny a filibuster every day.
If a filibuster occurs, the only way to end it is to vote it down with ++cloture. Voting to end a filibuster is not the same as voting for a Representative or voting for a werewolf.
A filibuster may occur at any time during the Day, meaning that if a player filibusters before Representatives are chosen, no Representatives may be chosen until the filibuster ends.
A filibustering player is equally disallowed from voting while s/he is filibustering.
My advice to you all? Don't let a filibuster happen and you won't have to figure out how to stop it.
Legate of Amon Lanc
11-08-2008, 04:44 PM
Hmm... one note at least, Fea. Isn't it a bit complicated with the cloture and no filibuster voting? Wouldn't it be easier to simply place only one unified voting there, and count f.ex. the original "no filibustering" votes into the cloture later?
And especially with cloture, I really don't believe there will be half village around at the time of filibustering, just because of the time (not everybody will be online at the same time).
And I still have these doubts I voiced in my earlier post. (Gah, this sounds like WW itself!) But whatever, you are the Mod, not me. But I just think I should point that out.
Nogrod
11-08-2008, 05:19 PM
And especially with cloture, I really don't believe there will be half village around at the time of filibustering, just because of the time (not everybody will be online at the same time).But isn't that just the point? :D
Well anyhow, we Europeans will probably not be in a position to need to think about these weird political devices used in the American democracy as the deadline is what it is. So to me at least that's just okay as long as the Americans can settle that between themselves. I will be sleeping or sometimes trying to wake up a little after the deadline eg. the time of any reasonable filibusters going on so... :rolleyes:
++ Trying though
Okay, I know now how to react if it becomes possible or necessary... :)
Anyway, the most intriguing concept Fea - if I haven't said that before. Just marvellous!
Wikipedia is the best thing ever.
The filibuster procedure seems very sound to me. The one thing, and it may be too impractical given all the complexities of the existing rules, is that in a filibuster, the only time anyone else gets to talk on the floor is if the senator yields to a question. It follows that in order for other players to post on the board, the village filibuster also would have to yield the board for a question. Other players would still all be able to PM each other, and indeed it might be a courtesy for anyone around to let the those on whichever side of the pond is in the dark that a filibuster is going on.
This is going to be a fantastic game, y'all. I'm psyched.
satansaloser2005
11-08-2008, 10:24 PM
Dumb question. How do you highlight? I don't see a tool for it anywhere. (Sorry, I'm tired and already horrible with computer, so please forgive me)
THE Ka
11-09-2008, 02:06 AM
*comes in a whirlwind and covered with birthday confetti*
Am I too late to join? Sorry to come all of the sudden, but Aganzir and Sally convinced me that this would be awesome. Plus, it would work perfectly with my horrible work schedule. I'm really looking forward to 24 hour days and nights, and the representative element. Oooh, reminds me of Political Science 210 all over again! This sounds fun, so, if there's room for one more, please may I join?
Representatives are by no means obligated to vote according to the wishes of their constituents, though it should be obvious that voting against the wishes of the people who elected you will probably result in bad karma.
... And a guillotine. Please?
In a way, I really shouldn't be attracted to this after two bloody years of the same thing, but it's much sweeter actually knowing your representatives now. :smokin:
Also, I'm really wondering if this experiment is going to morph into a completely tyrannical form later on, like maybe a Jacobian Club.
~ Ka
Boromir88
11-09-2008, 08:28 AM
like maybe a Jacobian Club.~Ka
I was thinking more of the Salem Witch trials, but I like this reference much better. Good to have you on "the floor" Ka. :p
testing, testing...
Sally, wrap whatever you want to highlight in quotes, and just replace the word "quote" with "highlight". ;)
satansaloser2005
11-09-2008, 09:24 AM
I was thinking more of the Salem Witch trials, but I like this reference much better. Good to have you on "the floor" Ka. :p
testing, testing...
Sally, wrap whatever you want to highlight in quotes, and just replace the word "quote" with "highlight". ;)
Oho!
Thanks, Boro! :)
Feanor of the Peredhil
11-09-2008, 09:44 AM
It follows that in order for other players to post on the board, the village filibuster also would have to yield the board for a question. Other players would still all be able to PM each other, and indeed it might be a courtesy for anyone around to let the those on whichever side of the pond is in the dark that a filibuster is going on.
I'm going to say no to this for a couple reasons. Mostly it's practicality. Partly it's that I'll be jealous that I won't be privy to the PMs. My official stance is that I want a transparent government, doggonit, and the only PMing that should occur during this game is the traditional Night Time shenanigans of the Wolves and Seer.
Feanor of the Peredhil
11-09-2008, 09:45 AM
if there's room for one more, please may I join?
Yes. I'll be mailing out the roles some time in the next couple hours. Anybody know if Nerwen's still in?
Aganzir
11-09-2008, 10:27 AM
Given that we have quite a few players, would a pack of four wolves sound fair?
Feanor of the Peredhil
11-09-2008, 10:42 AM
Given that we have quite a few players, would a pack of four wolves sound fair?
I think yes. I was actually pondering that this morning.
Shastanis Althreduin
11-09-2008, 01:27 PM
Wow, four wolves? I haven't seen a four-wolf game in ages. This should be interesting.
Testing the highlight...
Legate of Amon Lanc
11-09-2008, 01:45 PM
... And a guillotine. Please?
That's what I have been hoping for from the beginning. What more appropriate matter of execution for the newly formed Republic anyway?
P.S. Vive la Commune de Paris!
the phantom
11-09-2008, 01:52 PM
++ ŁÂńŘŽ
Feanor of the Peredhil
11-09-2008, 01:53 PM
Special roles have been sent out. There are four wolves and one seer. If you did not receive a PM, you are an ordinary villager.
Any PMs which are sent to the moddess should be sent, I'm sure you know, to all three moddesses.
Day One will begin tomorrow night.
Let the insanity begin.
THE Ka
11-09-2008, 02:14 PM
but otherwise my tutors are Messrs Jon Stewart and PJ O'Rourke - interesting combo that....
His book America is hilarious, but has some little truths. I really like the, "Ages of Democracy: A Guide".
Ah filibuster, horrifically adament while at the same time surprisingly too polite to just say 'no'. In the end it'll just end up with a contest between who can stay awake the longest, sounds fun.
That's what I have been hoping for from the beginning. What more appropriate matter of execution for the newly formed Republic anyway?
Indeed, this whole experiment sounds delightfully Robespierre. I wonder who will be our David?
~ Bill 103 (http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_6952/is_/ai_n28700176) Ka
Brinniel
11-09-2008, 02:22 PM
Perhaps I missed this while reading the rules, but how many representatives are elected each Day?
Oh, and:
++testing
the phantom
11-09-2008, 02:29 PM
I think anyone who receives two or more votes becomes a rep.
Nogrod
11-09-2008, 04:20 PM
Do we get something like the full & updated rules in somewhere at sometime or do we have to assume that the ones in the begining of this thread are the final word on all matters?
And what is the last word on the filibusters etc.?
mormegil
11-09-2008, 09:39 PM
Testing
Okay, so I haven't come to the Downs for the past 3 or 4 days so I'm trying to catch up on all the things...will there be a synopsis of the rules when this is all decided?
Feanor of the Peredhil
11-09-2008, 11:05 PM
will there be a synopsis of the rules when this is all decided?
Tomorrow after I'm done with classes I'll put up a synopsis so that you guys don't have to trawl your way through the thread in search of information.
As for now, my voice is shot and I'm tired. Yay for amazing concert-going experiences.
A Little Green
11-10-2008, 03:35 AM
I can't get the red thing... :( How does it work?
Thinlómien
11-10-2008, 03:41 AM
I can't get the red thing... :( How does it work?
Take Boro's advice that follows:
wrap whatever you want to highlight in quotes, and just replace the word "quote" with "highlight".
;)
A Little Green
11-10-2008, 03:47 AM
Greeniwe
Legate of Amon Lanc
11-10-2008, 03:49 AM
Another very good thing, if you don't know how it works, is to quote some post of some person who has a highlighted word in it. Because if you quote it, it will show to you in your post...
Thinlómien
11-10-2008, 03:55 AM
GreeniweAiieee, you're evil. :eek::D Glad that you learnt it, though. :D
Eönwë
11-10-2008, 11:29 AM
Another very good thing, if you don't know how it works, is to quote some post of some person who has a highlighted word in it. Because if you quote it, it will show to you in your post...
Hey, thats what I do! :D
Sorry, I'm just in a good mood.
Feanor of the Peredhil
11-10-2008, 11:31 AM
The Moddesses:
Fea
Mithalwen
Rikae
The Roles:
4 corrupt politicians (werewolves)
1 zealous reporter (seer)
X ordinary villagers
Night Time:
Nights will last 24 hours.
The wolves have the right and ability to communicate amongst themselves. They will choose a villager to kill. They will send the name of this villager to the moderator at least one hour before Day is to begin. That villager will be found dead at dawn.
The seer has the right and ability to request the identity of one villager per night from the moderator.
Day Time:
Days will last 48 hours.
During the Day, wolves are forbidden from communicating amongst themselves via Private Message.
The Day will contain two deadlines.
Deadline One will occur at the end of the first 24 hours. It is by Deadline One that the villagers must choose who will represent their interests in the final vote. Villagers will not vote for the player they believe to be a wolf. Villagers will vote for another villager to represent them: these chosen players are thence forward called Representatives. A player must acquire two non-retractable votes of confidence in order to become a Representative. A player may never vote for his or herself. A Representatives vote carries as much power as there were votes to make said player a Representative, therefore: the final vote of a Representative who was chosen by four villagers will have exactly twice as much weight as the final vote of a Representative who was chosen by only two villagers. As long as a villager has received at least two non-retractable votes of confidence from the village before Deadline One, s/he will be considered a Representative for the final vote.
Votes of confidence (which elect Representatives) should appear as:
++Fea for Representative
Deadline Two will coincide with the end of the Day (24 hours after Deadline One). It is by Deadline Two that the villages chosen Representatives must decide upon who will be lynched. To reiterate: the village will have 24 hours during which to choose Representatives, who will have a further 24 hours to vote for who they think should be lynched as a wolf. Representatives are by no means obligated to vote according to the wishes of their constituents, though it should be obvious that voting against the wishes of the people who elected you will probably result in bad karma.
The final non-retractable lynch-vote given by a Representative as a means to choose which villager is to be killed at the end of Day should appear as:
++Lynch Fea
All villagers are allowed to talk for the entire duration of the Day, but only Representatives may vote after Deadline One.
Deadlines will be measured by the Barrowdowns clock.
On Filibustering:
I certainly can't sit around and watch for a filibuster all day. So what will need to happen is the person who is filibustering will post
Initializing Filibuster
and must post on one specific topic which directly relates to werewolf. People may continue to post while the filibuster is in progress, but they may not vote until it ends.
The filibuster will end either when:
1) the player in question types End Filibuster
2) at least half of the surviving village votes
++cloture
which will force the filibuster to end
3) the player who is filibustering fails to post within the required time, which is every two minutes according to what the 'Downs clock says.
Example:
If Filibuster Post 1 occurs at 12:01pm EST Downs Time, then Filibuster Post 2 must occur before the clock changes to 12:04pm EST Downs Time.
This will be self-moderated, as players will be able to see for themselves what time the post went through.
No player is allowed more than one filibuster per game. I'm looking at you, Misters Phantom and 88.
Of course the simplest way to deal with a filibuster will be to keep it from happening at all, in which case one votes prior to it occurring:
++No Filibuster
At least one half of the village must vote against a filibuster every Day to keep one from occurring.
Summarized Rules:
Votes are non-retractable and should be highlighted.
You may never vote for yourself.
In the event of a tie-vote amongst Representatives, multiple lynches will occur.
Wolves may only PM at Night.
Dead players may communicate with each other about the game if they so desire, but not with players who are still alive. No crossing planes of existence.
Deadlines occur at 11:00pm EST Downs time. Any votes logged at 11:01 or later will not be counted.
As this game could easily fall into discussions of politics, role-playing is strictly prohibited. I'll handle narrative characterization by referencing in-game events. This game is absolutely not to break Barrowdowns Policy in any manner, but specifically in regard to political opinions. Keep em to yourselves. Any breach of this rule will result in immediate and merciless modfire. If the delinquent players vote has already been cast, the vote will be disqualified. This remains true even if the player is a chosen Representative. Keep that in mind: if youre a Rep and you get modfired, youre throwing away the vote of every person who chose you. There will be no exceptions to this rule. Absolutely no personal politics, end of story.
You'll want to either approve or deny a filibuster every day.
If a filibuster occurs, the only way to end it is to vote it down. Voting to end a filibuster is not the same as voting for a Representative or voting for a werewolf and is therefore not blocked by the filibuster the same way those two types of votes are.
A filibuster may occur at any time during either two parts of the Day.
A filibustering player is equally disallowed from voting while s/he is filibustering.
Players may continue to post on the thread during a filibuster, they simply cannot vote.
The voting options at your disposal:
Day, Part One:
++Fea for Representative by anybody
++No Filibuster by anybody
++cloture by anybody, if a filibuster begins
Initializing Filibuster and End Filibuster by a player wishing to use his right to speak at length
Day, Part Two:
++Lynch Fea only by Representatives
++No Filibuster by anybody
++cloture by anybody, if a filibuster begins
Initializing Filibuster and End Filibuster by a player wishing to use his right to speak at length
Player List:
Aganzir
Boromir88
Brinniel
Diamond18
Eönwë
Gil-Galad
Greenie
Gwathagor
Ilya
Kath
Legate
Lommy
McCaber
Mormegil
Nerwen
Nogrod
Rune
Sally
Shasta
The Ka
the phantom
Feanor of the Peredhil
11-10-2008, 11:32 AM
Kath and I talked ages ago about her playing and I never remembered to include her on the play list because she didn't post to the thread. She was, however, on my personal planning list, and her role was assigned at the same time as other roles. My apologies for any confusion.
Feanor of the Peredhil
11-10-2008, 11:34 AM
Also, players: go invisible!
the phantom
11-10-2008, 06:08 PM
I wouldn't be surprised to see the highlight vote become a staple in future WW games. It makes important things very easy to find.
So long as villagers don't abuse it, that is.
mormegil
11-10-2008, 07:35 PM
Agreed phantom. I think it would be a helpful tool to use for voting but should not be overused.
Feanor of the Peredhil
11-10-2008, 08:05 PM
Agreed phantom. I think it would be a helpful tool to use for voting but should not be overused.
I chose it knowing it's frowned upon in other locations simply because of the number and variety of votes that will occur in this game. People bold players names, main points, and all manner of other things in werewolf games. A highlight stands out much more clearly and reduces the chance of a vote being looked past.
Rune Son of Bjarne
11-12-2008, 06:16 AM
Rune, you and phantom think far too negatively towards compromise. All-or-nothing ends in destruction. Nations are formed on compromise. :rolleyes:
I am against the nation state!
Anyways I was not thinkin in all or nothing terms as such (not yet). . .I was actually looking at my history paper where a historian had made the mistake of compromising instead of finding the truth. One source said the event happened at 10 am, the other said 11 am and the historian then concluded that it must have happened at 10:30 am.
I'd better test that thingy for voting
RED ALERT
Gil-Galad
11-12-2008, 11:59 AM
sorry if my posts seem... weak. i have three term papers to write in the next 2 weeks and my mind is really running in circles right now so if my writing seems weirder then usual, dont take it too seriously.
satansaloser2005
11-12-2008, 11:00 PM
Yes, I know, I'm stupid, but....
Why is Di dead? (Or should I not know for some reason?)
Gah, I hope asking isn't a really bad plan, but I'm rather confused. *scurries*
Brinniel
11-13-2008, 03:10 AM
Di requested to be dropped from the game, so she was modfired. Fea mentioned it in the game thread.
Legate of Amon Lanc
11-13-2008, 06:04 AM
Well, people, only to add to what you already read by Fea on the game thread, I hope all of you who are innocent and had a hand in voting me have really bad feeling in conscience now. And I hope the others too. I was really enjoying this game, probably the most of all for a long time. Well, somebody had to go. And as I am dead, I am not bound to say anything more. Alas, for I would tell you all a lot more :p (Yes, I confess it, you really ****ed me off, even though I counted with that possibility. This is the first game where I really, really, really pity being out.) To all Moddesses, big cheers! This far the game is really great. To those of you who are still alive, enjoy this setting - it's really brilliant.
EDIT: huh. That was seemingly too much of a strong word, the editor checked me :D
satansaloser2005
11-13-2008, 09:13 AM
Di requested to be dropped from the game, so she was modfired. Fea mentioned it in the game thread.
Ah. Okay, thanks. I haven't caught up with everything fully yet. Figured I just missed something, but wasn't sure. Thanks! :)
Feanor of the Peredhil
11-13-2008, 10:40 AM
I would rather appreciate it if the Admin thread was used solely for administrative purposes at this point.
Unless you need to tell us you're going to miss the next three days, be a set of dears and hush?
And Legate- Shh. You're dead.
satansaloser2005
11-13-2008, 11:51 AM
I would rather appreciate it if the Admin thread was used solely for administrative purposes at this point.
Unless you need to tell us you're going to miss the next three days, be a set of dears and hush?
And Legate- Shh. You're dead.
Erm....sorry. I was just trying to figure out what was going on.
*hushes up*
THE Ka
11-19-2008, 10:24 AM
Ozymandiass daughter
Now you're convincing me to read Watchmen, sly you...;)
Have fun everyone, and good luck!;) *wicked laugh*
~ Et in cenerem reverentis Ka
Feanor of the Peredhil
11-19-2008, 11:14 AM
Now you're convincing me to read Watchmen, sly you...
What? Who, me? :cool:
Mithalwen
11-21-2008, 06:58 AM
I assume that Rikae may also be occupied over the US thanksgiving period so unless you are saved at the eleventh hour you will be at my tender mercies.
Unless you hear otherwise (IE Rikae or a guest mod says she can take over), PLEASE assume that day will end at its proper time and you will have to wait till a more civilised time im my part of the world to get the result. I will try to drag my sorrycarcass to the library when it opens at 9.30 - which will be quite an achievement for me on a Saturday so you won't be kept in suspense too long
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the phantom
11-21-2008, 12:30 PM
Since Fea ruled that sports discussion is out, I assume Mith will be booted for insulting football on the thread? :p
And since I cannot respond to her there, I must respond to her here.
We shouldn't be upset with her, Boro. We should've remembered that many of those living across the pond prefer the less tactical/technical/intelligent sort of games where you just run around and bash into people. In American football there are hundreds of plays which can be run out of multiple formations against the opposition who could be running any of hundreds of various rush and zone schemes.
American football is like a mix of rugby and chess- far too cerebral for the likes of Mith. It ought to be clear that the game is more intelligent due to the fact that the American players are smart enough to wear protective equipment- which is necessary of course seeing as they're generally bigger and faster and hit harder.
Nogrod
11-21-2008, 12:43 PM
We should've remembered that many of those living across the pond prefer the less tactical/technical/intelligent sort of games where you just run around and bash into people. In American football there are hundreds of plays which can be run out of multiple formations against the opposition who could be running any of hundreds of various rush and zone schemes.American football is intelligent? Compared to the real football which all the people in the world are intelligent enough to cherish outside the US.? Now give me a break! :) What does it tell that someone "intelligent-enough" guy up there thought one should call a game where the ball is mainly carried by hand or thrown with hand - and where you basically just ram on others with your body-weight - "football"? In real FOOTball it's penal to take the ball into one's hands or just punching others down. :D
Someone said that as long as football (not the American masked-violence) is the most favourite global sport the humanity has hope: slow game, pure tactics and aesthetics, maybe even goalless games - but the beauty, the skill, the drama, the eloquence of movement, the tactics, the love, the passion...
(Bah, I'm not that great a football fan, but couldn't resist that) ;)
Mithalwen
11-22-2008, 05:40 AM
Since Fea ruled that sports discussion is out, I assume Mith will be booted for insulting football on the thread? :p
And since I cannot respond to her there, I must respond to her here.
We shouldn't be upset with her, Boro.
American football is like a mix of rugby and chess- far too cerebral for the likes of Mith. It ought to be clear that the game is more intelligent due to the fact that the American players are smart enough to wear protective equipment- which is necessary of course seeing as they're generally bigger and faster and hit harder.
Balderdash. Both the Phantom and Noggin are wrong. I could rebut this point by point using my clearly substandard 143-155IQ but I think 2 words could be enough Jonah Lomu (http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=KYt1TOSni4E).
Mithalwen
11-22-2008, 05:42 AM
Post moved to game thread.
Mithalwen
11-22-2008, 06:14 AM
Those concerned are fully entitled to take their full time but if I get the night choices in time - ie before about 9pm GMT I can post the start of the day early. Otherwise you will have to hope that Rikae can bail you out again or wait for me and I could be some time. Please PM choices to us all.
Many thanks
Rikae
11-22-2008, 08:51 AM
I'll be here to start the Day toNight, so make sure you get your night choices to me, folks.
Mith, that's a great narration, you could have put it in the thread, you know - I just thought I'd better mark the deadline, but assumed you or Fea would want to say more.
Mithalwen
11-22-2008, 01:10 PM
I'll be here to start the Day toNight, so make sure you get your night choices to me, folks.
Mith, that's a great narration, you could have put it in the thread, you know - I just thought I'd better mark the deadline, but assumed you or Fea would want to say more.
I thought I had:o ..the Phantom confused me ..*whispers* can we modfire him?:p That and the wretched library computer.
I'll go move it.
Nogrod
11-22-2008, 04:31 PM
I just watched Godfather II from the tv (I have seen it only once before and that was a long time ago).
What a pice of werewolf-game that was! :D
Have fun everyone!
Brinniel
11-25-2008, 05:22 PM
Any chance there will be a break in the game sometime during this holiday week?
I don't know about the other Americans, but I'm leaving town tomorrow for Thanksgiving to visit family and won't be back until Monday afternoon. I should have internet access, but don't expect a whole lot of activity from me since I don't get to see my family very often.
Feanor of the Peredhil
11-27-2008, 06:57 PM
Hi guys. I'm checking in to apologize profusely for the fact that I honestly believed I'd have unmitigated internet access between last Friday and this coming Sunday. And then I didn't, and I still really don't because the computer I'm on right now is effectively off limits to me for most of the next two days (Sunday I'm back).
Here are some options as I can think of them, without having caught up on the game thread since last Friday when I went unexpectedly off-radar:
My favorite: we can pause the game until Sunday so the Americans can sleep off their turkey and travel and I can stop making my co-moddesses do all the work (I feel guilty).
Another option: you guys can keep muddling through (I just sort of assume there's a little muddling, not due to anybody incompetance but due to Mith's timezone and Rikae's being rather busy and all) without me.
I have full faith that y'all could get on fine without any interference from me, but I do feel absolutely awful that I ended up dumping a week of work on my co-mods without warning.
I owe them my life, really.
Let me know. I'll try to sneak on early tomorrow to see responses.
I hate not having my own computer right now. :(
Again, sorry I've deserted you all... I owe you big time.
Nerwen
11-27-2008, 07:18 PM
I'm happy to pause the game.
satansaloser2005
11-27-2008, 07:44 PM
Hi guys. I'm checking in to apologize profusely for the fact that I honestly believed I'd have unmitigated internet access between last Friday and this coming Sunday. And then I didn't, and I still really don't because the computer I'm on right now is effectively off limits to me for most of the next two days (Sunday I'm back).
Here are some options as I can think of them, without having caught up on the game thread since last Friday when I went unexpectedly off-radar:
My favorite: we can pause the game until Sunday so the Americans can sleep off their turkey and travel and I can stop making my co-moddesses do all the work (I feel guilty).
Another option: you guys can keep muddling through (I just sort of assume there's a little muddling, not due to anybody incompetance but due to Mith's timezone and Rikae's being rather busy and all) without me.
I have full faith that y'all could get on fine without any interference from me, but I do feel absolutely awful that I ended up dumping a week of work on my co-mods without warning.
I owe them my life, really.
Let me know. I'll try to sneak on early tomorrow to see responses.
I hate not having my own computer right now. :(
Again, sorry I've deserted you all... I owe you big time.
If the living players decide to keep the game going, I'd be happy to assist. (Or at least call the days' end for you.) I know I've never modded on here before but if you need the help the DL is at a really good time for me and I've got the entire weekend off. Let me know~!
Oh, and to all you Americans: Happy Thanksgiving!
~~Sally~~
Brinniel
11-27-2008, 10:25 PM
If the game doesn't end toDay, a pause would be nice...even preferably until Monday. Of course, the moment I get back from vacation is when crunch time begins for school project due dates, but at least I wouldn't have to worry about WW during the holiday. I honestly don't really care to participate much when I'd rather spend what little time I have with my family.
Thinlómien
11-28-2008, 03:26 AM
Whatever is okay with me. :)
Btw, where's our narration and results?
Feanor of the Peredhil
11-28-2008, 09:42 AM
Okay. I vote we go on break until Sunday night, when I promise I'll make everything make all kinds of sense again. That way game commitment doesn't conflict with family commitments.
A break would actually be fantastic for me because I was just about to say that I'm going to be really time-limited until Sunday afternoon so I'm good with this.
satansaloser2005
11-28-2008, 12:25 PM
Cool with me. Glad everything's working out! :)
*goes back into the shadows, ne'er to return....at least until the game's finished*
Feanor of the Peredhil
11-30-2008, 04:34 PM
Okay, so I've read through everything I've missed and intend to resume the game tonight at 11pm EST ('downs time).
I'm currently tying up a few loose ends.
See you guys on the thread later!
the phantom
12-08-2008, 04:45 PM
Go ahead and post it, Fea. Whenever you're ready. Then we can all post on the thread again.
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