Tol-in-Gaurhoth LIV: The Council of Evil- Admin Thread

[Gollum the Great]

The Fourth Age of Middle-Earth

All was well with the Reunited Kingdoms of Gondor and Arnor and the Kingdom of Rohan. Sauron, that scourge of the earth was vanquished, various minor uprisings in Rhun and Harad were crushed or pacified, and the Free Peoples suffered from no internal strife. It appeared that a time of peace and joy was to be enjoyed after the last three ages of warfare, swaying power, and hatred. Dwarves, men, hobbits, and wood elves looked into their envisioned future and saw no flaw in the outlook. Life seemed good to them.

Yet it was not so with the remnants of evil. From their hiding places in the underground, in the mountains and in forgotten lands they watched the children of light with hatred and jealousy. The combined might of all the forces of darkness might have rivaled the Free Peoples, but most of Sauron's remaining servants were undisciplined and disorderly and the direct servants of Morgoth unwilling to quit their rest and endure war once more.

It appeared that no final strike was to be made against the good and beautiful.


But the Council of Evil was formed, great beasts and monsters of darkness banded together; and a shadow grew over the earth...



Players:

Aganzir
Boromir88
Brinniel
Eonwe
Gwathagor
Ilya
Isabellkya
Kath
Meneltarmacil
Nogrod
Sally
Shasta
Strongbow

[Nerwen]

Uh... Gollum... I don't know how to break this to you... but if you want to mod a WW game, you have to put your name down on the waiting list.

[Macalaure]

As far as I can see (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=571240&postcount=4146), Gollum is next in line for modding. ;)

You should have waited til the present game is over, though...

[Nerwen]

Well, my mistake. Sorry, Gollum. I just assumed you hadn't been around long enough.:o

[Gollum the Great]

You should have waited til the present game is over, though...

Perhaps you're right, but wanted to get the thread up and not worry about it later. I can wait for the players before I start.

[Nogrod]

Perhaps you're right, but wanted to get the thread up and not worry about it later. I can wait for the players before I start.That's indeed quite a decent idea - and not unheard of or not done before... I think you can have a "beginning discussion" and enlistment to your game going on quite well even if the previous game is underway.

But then it would actually have to concern the nature of the game and such things. Posting only a teaser will not get all the people interested. Some people just love experimental games and others love the basic-ones. Giving some information of this might affect who would be interested in joining.

Also some mods are a bit more authoritative while others call for suggestions about what kind of a game the possible players would like to play. This thread could be just the place for you to tell us your stance on these issues and get some discussion going on.

Though it sure would be polite to wait with the starting of the game until the previous game has finished so that people from that game might join yours and maybe have a day or two to just comment and laugh about the incidents of that one before engaging to a new one.

[Gollum the Great]

But then it would actually have to concern the nature of the game and such things. Posting only a teaser will not get all the people interested. Some people just love experimental games and others love the basic-ones. Giving some information of this might affect who would be interested in joining.

Also some mods are a bit more authoritative while others call for suggestions about what kind of a game the possible players would like to play. This thread could be just the place for you to tell us your stance on these issues and get some discussion going on.

Being a newbie mod I'm not exactly sure what is meant by basic and experimental, but I think this game will lean toward being ordinary with couple of twists. Votes will probably be non-retractable and ties for lynching will result in the first chosen to be killed.

I welcome suggestions but doubt if I will use many.

Thanks for the advice Nogrod.

[Aganzir]

I think the main difference with basic and experimental games is, which roles there are; basic games are games with a team of three or four wolves (depending on the number of players) and a seer, maybe a ranger and a hunter as gifted roles as well, whereas experimental games might have pretty much anything (eg. Di's game was rather experimental). I recommend skimming through some old games and admin threads - they might give you both help and ideas. :)

I'd prefer a very basic game myself but I'm alright also with a bit more experimental game. However, if you are going to include some twists of your own, I'd really prefer them to be public information because if there's something I can't stand, it's rule discussion in the game. ;)

Anyway do you have any idea what would be the deadline?

Oh and you can sign me up. I won't have much time to play next spring so I want to do it now as much as I can.

[Gollum the Great]

I'd prefer a very basic game myself but I'm alright also with a bit more experimental game. However, if you are going to include some twists of your own, I'd really prefer them to be public information because if there's something I can't stand, it's rule discussion in the game. ;)

Anyway do you have any idea what would be the deadline?

I think the deadline will be about 5 PM EST. The twists I am still thinking about, and I'm not sure yet as to what I will do, but when I've decided I will let them out (unless they are intended to be kept secret).

I imagine I will start the Monday following Fea's game, but a change could readily be made if a player(s) require another time.

[Strongbow]

As you already know, Gollum, I'm eager for Tol-in-Gaurhoth.

Consider this an official notice of signing up.

[Gollum the Great]

I'm eager for Tol-in-Gaurhoth.


The right spirit.

[Kath]

If you intend to start on the ... is it the 19th? If so you might find that you need to have a break over Christmas because people will obviously be very busy/away etc. :)

[Aganzir]

If you intend to start on the ... is it the 19th? If so you might find that you need to have a break over Christmas because people will obviously be very busy/away etc. :)
In the game that was running last Christmas, we had a 48-hour first day and night during the Christmas period, I think, and switched back to 24 hours then. That might work also here.

[Strongbow]

I imagine I will start the Monday following Fea's game, but a change could readily be made if a player(s) require another time.

So will we be starting this Monday, December 15th, or has this been redacted/revised?

[Gollum the Great]

So will we be starting this Monday, December 15th, or has this been redacted/revised?

It depends on when enough players have signed up. At present we have too few players to begin, I hope more arrive shortly.

[Aganzir]

So who have actually signed up? Just Strongbow and me?

If players don't start to appear soon you could send a few invitations.

Also, what about the roles and such?

[Nerwen]

Count me in.:)

[Shastanis Althreduin]

I'll play as well.

[Gollum the Great]

Welcome Nerwen and Shasta (we'll need your powers of clairvoyance to see us through this time!)

Also, what about the roles and such?

Ok, this should be something like what will happen:

x ordos
1 Seer
1 Guardian or Hunter
2 Werewolves
1 Modified Werebear

You ought to get the general idea of what roles there are (especially the wolves and bear) from the opening scene once you read it.

And one other thing. I thought out what various races the players will assume, but do you fellows think I should assign them in the prologue, or post them here and have you choose? I suppose that in the case of the former alternative you could PM requests. The nature of the species will probably have a bearing on the story.

[Strongbow]

Post the roles up, and let us PM you choices, methinks.

Just a newbie's $.02.

[Gwathagor]

I will play.

[Isabellkya]

I would like to play, please.

[Ilya]

I'd like to be in as well.

[Nogrod]

Count me in as well.

nb. Gollum you should make a list of players in thus far and possibly edit that list into your first post or something so that it's easy to check the situation - and then keep on upgrading it as the number of players grows.

If I counted it right we have now 8 players. So Monday might be a wee bit optimistic starting date...

[Gollum the Great]

I thought of the list just a few hours ago but didn't get to it. It'll be up on the first post shortly...

And about the starting date. What would work best for you guys? I see that Monday looks a bit early, but would a week from then be ok?

Also, welcome Nog, Gwath, Ilya, Isabellkya.

[Meneltarmacil]

Well, I've been away for so long that it's about time I joined up. Count me in.

[Nogrod]

Well, I've been away for so long that it's about time I joined up. Count me in.Good to see you Menel! It's been a long time indeed!

I'll promise not to suggest lynching you on Day1 this time - and I will even speak on behalf of you if someone gets that unheard-of bad idea... :)

[Brinniel]

If you don't plan to start the game until the 22nd, I might consider joining. An extra week will give me a breather from the last game (as well as from RL stress), which has left me exhausted. And I definitely wouldn't join a game before the 19th, as I promised myself not to be part of another WW game until I've returned home for the holidays..

Though a question I don't think has been answered yet: Will this game be running during Christmas, or will there be a break?

Anyways, you can put me down with a question mark for now. It's a probably, but I'm not sure just yet.

[Eönwë]

Put me down- definately.

[Gollum the Great]

Glad to see you Brinn (?), Eonwe, and Meneltarmacil. I especially look forward to watching you, Menel, as I haven't yet had the pleasure of playing (or modding) with you, but I recollect something of your style from reading The Fellowship of Saruman and being fascinated.

If you don't plan to start the game until the 22nd, I might consider joining. An extra week will give me a breather from the last game (as well as from RL stress), which has left me exhausted. And I definitely wouldn't join a game before the 19th, as I promised myself not to be part of another WW game until I've returned home for the holidays..

Though a question I don't think has been answered yet: Will this game be running during Christmas, or will there be a break?

Anyways, you can put me down with a question mark for now. It's a probably, but I'm not sure just yet.

At this point it seems improbable that the game will begin any sooner that Dec. 22. Only if several players start clamoring to begin quickly could the date be pulled forward.

As for a Christmas break, I vote that we pause for 24 or even 48 hours, but this point should I think be left to all participating to decide on.

[Aganzir]

As for a Christmas break, I vote that we pause for 24 or even 48 hours, but this point should I think be left to all participating to decide on.
The thing is, Christmas is celebrated on different days in different places. We in Finland have it mainly on the 24th while most of you others celebrate it on the 25th. Therefore I think it would be best to have a 48-hour-day and/or night around Christmas: everyone could pop in every now and then to play when it best suits them.

Do you have any specific number of players you'd like to have before starting?

[Strongbow]

Therefore I think it would be best to have a 48-hour-day and/or night around Christmas: everyone could pop in every now and then to play when it best suits them.

I agree with this. I am also fine with the starting date being the 22nd.

[Nogrod]

I do agree both with the Christmas going for 48 hours Day & Night and starting on 22nd - or possibly 21st if it's the Night phase that starts the game...

Do you have any specific number of players you'd like to have before starting?I think we have played one game with something like 11 players but that was a bit too little - although it was quite an amusing game so long as it lasted. 14-16 has been the standard number for a long time and with that sized village you can make three wolves and a full house of goodie-specials (three) and still it makes almost 2/3 of the players normal innocents. That has been quite a good working ratio thus far to my knowledge.

[Gollum the Great]

I think I need approximately 15 players. 14 or even as high as 17 would work.

Now that I think of it, I don't believe I ever found a definition of a Werebear. I understand that his main purpose is survival, but are any other chief characteristics?

[Gollum the Great]

And one other thing. I thought out what various races the players will assume, but do you fellows think I should assign them in the prologue, or post them here and have you choose? I suppose that in the case of the former alternative you could PM requests. The nature of the species will probably have a bearing on the story.

This question needs to be answered. So far I have a grand total of 1 replies and the 10 other present players have not (yet) spoken. Please do so soon.

[Meneltarmacil]

I think posting them in the thread and letting us decide would be a good idea.

[Boromir88]

I want another go, just as long as you grant me the opportunity to take out Menel on Day 1. :p Oh, hi Menel, long time no see. :D

[Meneltarmacil]

It's nice to be back. And yes, I remember the Werewolf Wars with Boromir88 quite well. I'm looking forward to the game.

*sharpens sword*

[Aganzir]

I agree that posting them here sounds good.

[Kath]

I would like to play if there's still room? I need an excuse to escape various family members. :D

[Gollum the Great]

Hi Kath and Boro.

I think I'll have the different strains of evil up tomorrow. I need to revise the story slightly first.

Will a 5 PM EST deadline meet with approval?

[Eönwë]

Will a 5 PM EST deadline meet with approval?

Definately, though 6pm would probably be better for me.

[Strongbow]

Definately, though 6pm would probably be better for me.

I second this.

[Aganzir]

Bah I'd prefer the 5pm. :p

[Boromir88]

*sharpens sword*

*Loads cannon* :p

[Kath]

What's that in GMT?

[Boromir88]

I believe for

5 pm EST = 10 pm GMT
then 6 = 11

[Kath]

Then I'd prefer the later one if possible because I have a really, really bad time making a 10pm deadline.

[Gollum the Great]

Ok, if anyone signs up late, I'll find some way of squeezing him in. And I'm not going by the story that only a few Balrogs ever existed.

3 Trolls
4 Balrogs
2 Fire-Drakes
2 Winged Dragons
1 Werewolf
The Blue Wizard Alatar

I just assume the last named went bad. Don't ask why.

[Strongbow]

Do we PM you our choice?

[Gollum the Great]

Do we PM you our choice?

Go ahead and do so now, but if someone sees a reason for everyone to proclaim on this thread what they've chosen, please do that.

So far I have received 9 choices.

(I'll update that regularly.)

[Nogrod]

Go ahead and do so now, but if someone sees a reason for everyone to proclaim on this thread what they've chosen, please do that.
If the choices will be known by everyone from Night1 narration I see no reason to hide the choices - and it would be easier to see which "roles" have been taken already. But if there is a reason storytellingwise or other to conceal the choices then we should of course hold our mouths...

[Nerwen]

Sorry, Gollum, I'm going to have to pull out of this one.

[Gollum the Great]

Sorry, Gollum, I'm going to have to pull out of this one.

Tinkertytonk! See you in later games.

[Gollum the Great]

Hmm. We may have to go with only 12 players. That ought to be ok, but I will have to cut back on one of the trolls or Alatar. The game begins in less than twenty-four hours, so those of you who have not sent me your choice, please do so soon or I will assign you one when the game begins. Roles will be PMed within a few hours.

Any last minute votes for DL? It is presently 5 or 6 PM EST, and looks like it will be 6, since 3 players have favored it and only myself and Agan want 5.

[satansaloser2005]

Well, if you need someone....I suppose I could be persuaded to join. :rolleyes:


Either deadline I'll be away for, but I'll do my best if you want me.


If not, no hard feelings. I'm rather busy, but you look a few people short and I'm always good lynch fodder.

[Gollum the Great]

Thanks, Sally.

For those of you who have not chosen a 'role', these are what remain:

Alatar
2 Trolls
1 Fire-Drake

[satansaloser2005]

Thanks, Sally.

For those of you who have not chosen a 'role', these are what remain:

2 Balrogs
Alatar
3 Trolls



We're to PM choices to you, right?

*does so*

[Gollum the Great]

All votes are final. No retractions.

DL is 6 PM EST

Roles:

2 Werewolves
1 Werebear
1 Seer
1 Hunter
x innos

Wolves, PM only at night.

Game thread up soon...

[Aganzir]

So what are we going to do with Christmas?

At least we in Finland (Nog & I) will probably be rather busy tomorrow but as it's Night then, it shouldn't be that bad.
So would we have a prolonged night (ie tomorrow and the day after tomorrow), or a normal night and a prolonged day after that? Or something else?
And should we tell our preferences here or PM them to you?

[Strongbow]

I can't see why Night preferences should be PM'd.

I'm totally fine with having a prolonged Night, because that just means the Wolves have longer to talk and the Bear has longer to pick who s/he is going to rip to shreds.

[Gollum the Great]

Don't send me anything regarding these long night phases unless you have to. I'm getting to many PMs as it is.

[Aganzir]

Bowie neither could I but I wanted to play it safe.

I'd prefer a normal night and a prolonged day that lasts 48 hours. I'd be fine with a normal day as well though.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Sorry Gollum. Our internet went out unexpectedly, and still is. :( My time may be limited. We'll have to see.

[Eönwë]

So Gollum is it a long Day or Night then?

I'd prefer a long night because I definately won't be able to post tomorrow.

[Boromir88]

Long day? Long night? either or, doesn't matter to me. :D

[Gollum the Great]

I think we'll stick with a long night. No objections, I hope?

[satansaloser2005]

Yes, I know, I'm thick. Sorry.

So was Ilya bad or good? (It would probably help the dummies like me if you put the person's role next to their name when they die, by the way.) Then again, I'm sure when I read the narration with the help of a proper nap it'll make more sense. Sorry again, I'm just a bit confused today.

I just wanted to know so I didn't interpret the game thread wrong when I read through it tomorrow.

*hushes*

[Brinniel]

FYI, Ilya is a female...even if her screen name may indicate otherwise.

And yes, I know I'm dead...so I'm gone now.

[Nogrod]

Is the next Day going to start in five hours or is there an extended Night-shift also on this Night?

[Boromir88]

I'm glad I was eaten on day 1, I made a switch to windows vista and it's been a severe pain. I've been internet-less for 2-days, and was going to come in to apologize for me entire day's absense. But, I see I didn't have to. :p

Good luck to all.

[Gwathagor]

Hey, my family and I are going to the ocean for a couple days. I won't be around until Wednesday or so.

[Gollum the Great]

I think the posting rate is going be about 10 posts/day now with Gwath gone.

Sorry I didn't get your suicide in, Bowie, but I hope you liked your end none the less.

[satansaloser2005]

Hey, I probably won't be around for the first few hours of the Day. Just depends on how things go at work, but I figured I'd let you all know.


There best be lots of posts when I get back though~!

~~Sally~~

[Strongbow]

Sorry I didn't get your suicide in, Bowie, but I hope you liked your end none the less.

Well, it was only had I voted myself, but I did like the (my) end. Very fitting.

[satansaloser2005]

I'm actually not working tonight because there was nothing for me to do, so I will in fact be around whenever the Day starts. (Assuming of course that I'm alive, but I'm an optimist.)

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Hey, Gollum. I think you're going to have to go ahead and modkill me; I don't really feel comfortable coming in at such a late date, and probably the best thing I can do right now is take myself out of consideration so the innocents don't concentrate on me. I'm really sorry, you guys, and I hope to be able to participate in the next game.

:(

[satansaloser2005]

Hey, Gollum. I think you're going to have to go ahead and modkill me; I don't really feel comfortable coming in at such a late date, and probably the best thing I can do right now is take myself out of consideration so the innocents don't concentrate on me. I'm really sorry, you guys, and I hope to be able to participate in the next game.

:(


*hugs you*

Sorry you had so much trouble with your connection, sweetie. :(

[Isabellkya]

I apologize everyone for my absence. With the Arctic storm that hit our area, we lost power. Then had to continue to stay away because of possible flooding. We were only just now about to return. I'm sorry.