Admin thread for TIG Whatever - Mith's game

[Mithalwen]

UPDATE:

I will post the game intro in time for the start but this is the basic game set up for the benefit of all (the gifted know a little about their roles).

18 players (singers)

3 wolves (Critics in this game - they do all the off stageslaughtering in the opera!). they PM at night and attack one player each night. They win when their number equal the number of non-wolves.

1 cobbler/spy (Walter Plinge - the name is a theatre joke and should not be taken as gender identification - opera is a gender bending environment - if Walter gets referred to as he it is because it is a male name) Walter gets to spy on one other player each night and learns their role. This information is passed to the critic by a dead drop at the beiginning of the next night before Walter goes spying again. So the critics and Walter are ignorant of each other's identities. If Walter is "lynched" the wolves will obviously not receive the previous nights info.

1 seer - a dreamer of dreams. Will learn the truth of a player's identity each night.

1 Diva/Divo. A singer so great that they are impervious to the attacks of the critics (unless they become an overwhelming force at endgame) . May be "lynched" or killed in error by the avenging soulmate. (see below)

2 soulmates - opera throws up some great partnerships and these 2 know each other so well that they cannot be decieved as to the other's identity. The may PM during day phases only.
If one dies the other lives but may try to avenge them by taking out one other singer. NB As I said, opera is a mixed up world for gender and no restriction was placed on gender combination when drawing for these role.


You are invited to "audition " for my forthcoming Opera themed Werewolf game. I hope to start as soon as I can after the current game finishes and would like an idea of numbers so I can decide special roles.

Anyone interested in playing please post stating preferred voice type/or non singing role (this does not have to be your true vocal range - this is a game ;) ), region you wish to represent and ME race, stage name if different, and whether you are a definite (DVWP) or a maybe.

Yours as ever,

Mithalwen.

Audition List : In approximate order of altitude....

Satansaloser?, soprano
Feanor of the Peredhil, Belfalas (mezzo-)soprano
Ilya, mezzo-soprano
Kath
Aganzir, Minas Tirith contralto
Gwathagor (Gwathagorio), lyric tenor/spinto
Shastanis Althreduin (tenor leggierio / lyric tenor)
Nogrod (typically indicisive - anywhere between lyric and buffo - or baritone )
The Phantom (typically versatile and with great range)
TGWBS
Meneltarmacil - baritone
Macalaure
Gollum the Great? - bass-baritone
Boromir 88 basso profundo, Rohan

“I warn you, if you bore me, I shall take my revenge.”

[satansaloser2005]

Oooo sounds intriguing.

Before I consider signing up, though, do you have any idea when the deadline will be? Like, a rough guess? (I'm going back to college next week and I'm not sure what my work schedule will be, so I would hate to join the game and then have to pull out)

:D

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Once I get back to college, my internet won't be nearly as sporadic. I can play. :)

I'm Shasta (obviously), I'm a high tenor, and I'm definately playing.

[Nogrod]

I'm absolutely in! The last game was the poorest I've ever made (join D1 two hours before the DL, miss D2 and get killed the following Night... :() so it's time to make that one good. And Mith's game! I'm looking forwards to this.

In the choir I'm in I'm also a high tenor but I have to admit I have great trouble reaching those highest pitches. So I could be a second tenor or being truthful a baritone.

[Meneltarmacil]

I'm in, and I'm probably a baritone myself. I'll be the guy that always wants the "bad guy" roles and does really well at them for some reason.

[Aganzir]

I'll be the guy that always wants the "bad guy" roles and does really well at them for some reason.
Bah I want them too! :Merisu: Besides the only song I can sing properly is Be Prepared (http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=L0AiN8vrn9Y). Hmm you could play the masculine bad guys and I have the feminine male baddies?

I am Aganzir and I suppose I am an alto. Also, I'd like to have a question mark after my name for now.

And I would have applied to a non-singing role if you hadn't said you want to have the bad guy roles, Menel. ;)

[Ilya]

This looks cool. I'd like to be in as well. I suppose I'm a mezzo-soprano, although I (and the rest of the world) would be comfortable with me in a non-singing role.

[Meneltarmacil]

Aganzir, could we perhaps be rivals for the villain role in this opera, carrying out diabolical plots to sabotage each other's attempts at getting said role?

[Mithalwen]

Lovely ... as a contralto/mezzo myself, I have to say that the lower ranges often have the most interesting parts - bad girls are nearly always mezzos Agan!!!
for the men, Baritones tend to be bad guys or the hero's friend who gets killed - baritones tend to die a lot.. but there are a couple of splendid tenor villains in Handel ( when the hero would have been a castrato originally now counter tenor or mezzo on "trouser role") and also Rigoletto.

I may have to use artistic licence but if Nogrod insists he is tenor I may have to resist the image (and cultural stereotype sorry) of the wonderful basses from his part of the world ... hope there will be a few since one of the arias I want to rip off is... well nvm ... :D

Deadline... well I am a lady of leisure atm but I can't be certain of that being the case for the duratio of the game. So it will surely be early evening UK time which should be lunchtime or later in the states. There is likely to be retractable votes - though not unlimited ones since people got silly last time and annoyed me ;) so I hope the deadline won't be an insurmountable problem.

[Gollum the Great]

Looks fun... I'm just afraid I may not have the time. Do we have to use our real voices Mith? Bass or baritone is I think what I am (I don't sing much anymore).

[Boromir88]

I'm in, and I'm most definitely a bass, and the bass who has no range/can't get out of the lower octave. :rolleyes: :p

[satansaloser2005]

I'm in with a question mark and I'm a soprano (I'm pretty sure) but you really don't want me to sing. :p

[Aganzir]

Aganzir, could we perhaps be rivals for the villain role in this opera, carrying out diabolical plots to sabotage each other's attempts at getting said role?
Alright. *gives Menel some helium* :smokin:

[satansaloser2005]

This is definitely going to be an adventure~! Can't wait!

And of course Nog would be a wonderful singer. He's always so full of hot air! :Merisu:

(I wish Phantom were here. :( It fits him so much better. Hehe.)

[Gollum the Great]

Are we actually singing in this game? :eek:

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Me me me me me
I'm in
me
pick me
please pick me?

I sing most comfortably somewhere vaguely below a soprano. It sounds pretty when my friend's soprano sister and I sing together. :) No solos, pretty please, as my voice really isn't strong enough to carry a part alone, but I'm pretty darned good at harmonies.

Speaking of... *ponders*

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Oh yes.

I'm well pleased.

[Gwathagor]

I'm in, and I'm probably a baritone myself. I'll be the guy that always wants the "bad guy" roles and does really well at them for some reason.

I thought villains usually sang bass in operas. I suppose it depends on whether the opera is comic or tragic.

My name is Gwathagorio and I imagine I am either a lyric or a spinto tenor. If the game starts soon, I am a definite.

[Mithalwen]

Well generally higher voices tend to be associated with youth/goodness and lower with age/and ambiguity if not evil. Of course there are exceptions and extremely high vocal ranges may have supernatural associations (eg Queen of the Night, Oberon). However please note that these associations should not be related to the game .... you cannot assume that the bass-baritones will be wolves and a lyric soprano the seer. You will not be required to sing exactly it is just to give me the chance to have fun with my narrations - and you can all camp it up like the prima donnas / primo uomos that you are :p


Also sorry to be a pain in the proverbial but I have slightly altered the concept for the scenario from an opera festival to an operatic competition a la Cardiff Singer of the World so to add to amusement and give a ME connection please also let me know which Middle Earth race you wish to be and preffered region to represent. Also your operatic name (thanks Gwathy I knew there was a reason I asked for names originally despite the fact that unlike a paper notice board the writer is obvious. :D ).

As ME's senior principality, Belfalas will be the host for the "Dol Amroth singer of Middle Earth" competition which will start as soon as there are a decent number of participants.

[Macalaure]

I'm curious how playing werewolf mixes with having four kids screaming and/or running around in my back and using an Internet connection which makes my browser die randomly. :D

In other words, I'm in!

Baritones tend to be bad guys or the hero's friend who gets killed - baritones tend to die a lot..

Now that sounds just right for me. :D Sign me up for baritone! I leave it to you what kind. I shall be Barney Broadbottle, a Bree-lander from Staddle, who goes under the pseudonyme of "Macalaure".

[Gwathagor]

I am, of course, a Sindarin elf from the cold northern wilds of Eriador.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

I think I shall hail from Dol Amroth. Being 'half elven' as I so hastily decided I was so many years ago, I can only guess that it's not anywhere near half, and that the truth of the matter is that Mithrellas's blood flows - in a very diluted manner - through my veins, as it does through pretty much everybody else's in those parts.

[Boromir88]

The obvious choice I guess would be Gondor, but I'm feeling so much more spiritted and Rohirric like; so I want Rohan. :p

[Aganzir]

I should probably go with a dwarf but since I don't feel dwarven at all right now, I pick a race that suits my baddie roles better and be of pure Númenorean blood. ;) Then Aganzir is a good enough name for me.

[Kath]

Of course I'm playing Mith! Just didn't realise sign ups had started already! Umm, I don't sing so I have no idea what my voice is ... back in school choir days I was an alto I believe.

[Meneltarmacil]

I will be a Nazgul, from Minas Morgul of course.

[the guy who be short]

I have no idea about opera, so make me anything you want - you've heard my voice!

I will be a hork-bajir. Er, sorry, dunlander.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

TGWBS! Do you know how long it's been since we've werewolfed together?

[the guy who be short]

No. Do you? :p

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

No. Do you? :p

Absolutely no idea. :)

[Mithalwen]

Needless to say I am a very happy mod..... just a few more...

[Lhunardawen]

Sorry mummie, I am not quite mad enough to sign up for this game, but oh if only I were. Just one look at the player list tells me this is going to be insane. :D

Have fun modding, though. :)

[Mithalwen]

That is ok darling.... you are with us in spirit :D

[Durelin]

Hate to be one of those conditional players, but I can play if the game doesn't begin till the 11th (Sunday). I haven't been keeping up with the current game so don't have any sense of when this might start.

Anyway, if I'm able to join, I'm going to be boring and say that I'm a contralto as I probably am in real life. But really I should have a non-singing role...and even more really I should have a non-speaking role. Could I play scenery or something? So maybe I should be an Ent (I guess from Fangorn then)? :D

Edit: Ah, the previous game's over. :o Ignore my post here, I'm sure you'll get started long before next Sunday!

[Cailín]

After a short, enthusiastic discussion with Eomer, we have decided that we'll also be singing a schizophrenic duet in this game (I shall naturally be in the foreground).

I'm a mezzo, and most comfortable with mid-range / second soprano parts, though I can do a fair high alto when I put my mind to it. When Eomer's voice takes over, he'll sing in a lovely, manly bass. We shall be humans from Forodwaith in the freezing north. :cool:

[Strongbow]

My range varies. I can (in this reality thing) sing from tenor to bass. I prefer to do baritone. I'd like to be Bowissimo of Gondor.

This is a brilliant concept, I might add.

Edit: I'm a definite, too.

Edit2: Specifically in Gondor, of Lossarnach. Sounds like Lammermoor, almost.

Edit3: This is awesome.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

I'm trying to convince one of my room mates to register and play... I'll let you know how I succeed.

[the phantom]

I'm trying to convince one of my room mates to register and play.
I seriously doubt she'll play.

She's scared of me.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

I seriously doubt she'll play.

She's scared of me.

Wanna bet some money on it, hunny?

[Lariren Shadow]

You doubted wrong.

I'm Fea's suitemate.

Prefer Lariren, soprano(as I am one) and from Ithilien. I think that's all. I seriously hope this is better than the game I played before(on a different sight with messed up rules).

[the phantom]

Oh, she wouldn't admit it to you.

But at night, when she's alone in the dark, she pulls the covers over her head and trembles, fearing that once again her dreams will be invaded by Phantom-Wolf.

The Phantom of the Barrow-Downs is there... inside her mind.

[Lariren Shadow]

So I find it ironic that I finished singing two songs from Phantom in my voice lessons last semester and you quote one.

And I have a question for you, because I've seen your avatar before, and I was wondering where its from. I have a theory. And yes I realize there was no question mark in that sentence.

And yes in the dark of the night I will possibly slightly cower with fear.

[the phantom]

The avatar question... When I joined, I needed an avatar. So I searched for "avatars". I found thousands. I scrolled through them looking for the one. The one that would scream "pick me!".

I found it.

So there you go. Don't you love stories with happy endings?
So I find it ironic that I finished singing two songs from Phantom in my voice lessons last semester
Very nice.
And yes in the dark of the night I will possibly slightly cower with fear.
Mmm... I like you so far.

[the phantom]

TGWBS? Eomer? Cailin?

Wow. Old school reunion here. Now all we need is Kuru and Ang to return.

Oh, and Boro- I say we only talk to each other the entire game.

And there are filibusters, right?

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Wow. Old school reunion here.

Delicious, no?

Oh, and Boro- I say we only talk to each other the entire game.

But... but... what about me?

[the phantom]

As soon as Boro's dead I'll talk to you.

If we go to plan and only talk to each other, the village will likely be annoyed, and the Wolves will fear a deadly alliance, so he will probably be lynched Day 1 or killed Night 2.

So it'll only be for one day. After that I'll speak exclusively to you.

After you're gone I'll spend all my time talking to the Mod-Goddess. Because really, once you and Boro are gone, what's left to discuss in the village?

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Fair enough.

Of course I intend to spend my lifetime amusing Mith.

[Brinniel]

Ooh, I see tgwbs has joined for the first time in just about forever. :)

But tp and Boro in another game together...should I dare join? So long as neither are the seer again. :p

Sign me up as a mezzo-soprano...and I think I'll be from Harad.

[Mithalwen]

I think that is going to be plenty..splendid ..will send roles this afternoon... can Gollum and Sally confirm participation?


And Fea..explain to your chum about Lab rats :D

Right I think this is the list subject to a couple or personal invitations and confirmations

Satansaloser?, soprano
Lariren , soprano, Ithilien
Feanor of the Peredhil, Belfalas (mezzo-)soprano
Ilya, mezzo-soprano, vales of Anduin.
Brinniel, mezzo-soprano, Harad
Kath contralto
Aganzir, Minas Tirith contralto
Gwathagor (Gwathagorio), lyric tenor/spinto
Shastanis Althreduin (tenor leggierio / lyric tenor)
Nogrod (typically indicisive - anywhere between lyric and buffo - or baritone )
The Phantom (typically versatile and with great range)
Meneltarmacil - baritone err Nazgul from Minal Morgul
Strongbow, Bowissimo of Lossarnach
Macalaure (Barney Broadbottle), a Bree-lander from Staddle, Baritone
Gollum the Great? - bass-baritone
TGWBS - bass, woodwose,
Boromir 88 basso profundo, Rohan
Cailineomer, trouser role, Forodwaith

Any omissions or additions of location voice type please flag.

This won't be a completely standard game - I will have a couple of variants on the roles but basically it should be 3 wolves, cobbler and assorted others depending on final numbers .... though they will have other names. :D

[Macalaure]

Would you add my voice and name and all that? :)

[Mithalwen]

Sorry I thinkI was too impressed by your bravery to take it in ... great to have you. And are you of the big folk or little of Bree?

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

And Fea..explain to your chum about Lab rats

Yes ma'am. She's lived vicariously through a few of my games, and has played elsewhere on the web, but never with anyone as cool as us. I'll let her know (once her plane comes back in contact with earth) that she's your slave until she dies.

We live to serve, O Lovely Moddess...

[the guy who be short]

Seeing as my previous request to be a Dunlander hasn't been put on that list, could I be a Drúadan instead (aka Wose, Wild man of the woods, Púkel-man; thank you Wikipedia)?

I think it should follow that I am a bass.

And yes... Mith talked me into it, and I am on holidays so I had no real excuse to refuse.

[Boromir88]

Oh my, what have I gotten myself into here... :rolleyes:

Oh, and Boro- I say we only talk to each other the entire game.
That would actually make an interesting game...I wonder how long it would take before the village agrees to ignore us, yet still feel the need to talk to us. :p

But, I have to say not this time, there's so many new faces and so many others I haven't WWed with a long, long, time ago, in a galaxy far, far away. :D

[Nogrod]

Well this is looking absolutely fabulous! Good to see all of you, especially tgwbs & cailineomer for it has been some time since you played the last time.

So a place... I could be from the Old Forest. :rolleyes:

[Mithalwen]

Game thread will be up tomorrow morning. Day one starts by 6pm GMT

Walter Plinge (Cobbler/sneak) and seer send me your picks.

Critics (Wolves) talk.

Rest wonder ;)

PM me as necessary.

[Gollum the Great]

If it's not to late, can I be from Isengard?


I must mention that my first couple days will only have a post or two. A little busy presently.

[satansaloser2005]

My dear mod goddess, feel free to place me wherever you care to make me from. But I'd rather like to be a hobbit, being short and all. :D

(Also, feel free to list me as Sally, if you like. Up to you, though, of course.)

[Mithalwen]

Okey dokey... will havemore details up soonish.

Um I was unexpectedly Miss Popular on the PM front - despite celaring a good amoun tof space, I know a few of you din't get through . Should be ok now :)

[Mithalwen]

I have placed a summary of the mechanics of the game in an EDIT of the first game of this thread for easy reference.

This is the largest game I have modded so I hope that 3 wolves and one cobbler is enough enemy for a game of 18 players .... with slightly unusual gifteds

Not to late to add a cursed or guardian if there is a sense they are needed

I will allow retractable votes but they should not be used frivolously - offenders will be modfired.

Inclined to allow perhaps a double lynching but no higher - I don't want mad schemes - thoughts?

If not I shall decide as I see fit......

Otherwise the scenario will be completed in time for a 6pm GMT start.

Satansaloser, soprano
Lariren , soprano, Ithilien
Feanor of the Peredhil, Belfalas (mezzo-)soprano
Ilya, mezzo-soprano, vales of Anduin.
Brinniel, mezzo-soprano, Harad
Kath contralto
Aganzir, Minas Tirith contralto
Gwathagor (Gwathagorio), lyric tenor/spinto
Shastanis Althreduin (tenor leggierio / lyric tenor)
Nogrod (typically indicisive - anywhere between lyric and buffo - or baritone )
The Phantom (typically versatile and with great range)
Meneltarmacil - baritone err Nazgul from Minal Morgul
Strongbow, Bowissimo of Lossarnach
Macalaure (Barney Broadbottle), a Bree-lander from Staddle, Baritone
Gollum the Great - bass-baritone
TGWBS - bass, woodwose,
Boromir 88 basso profundo, Rohan
Cailineomer, trouser role, Forodwaith

Please let me know if I have missed your location preferences else I shall make summat up...

[Ilya]

Here's the voter recount, as best as I can reckon, given the number of retractions at the last minute. I counted everything that went before you posted, o moddess, but another person had better recheck my math before the curtain goes down on somebody.

Menel - 6
Nog - 5
Ilya - 2
Wild Man - 1
Strongbow - 1
Sally - 1

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

It is a double lynch between Nog and Menel

UNLESS

you count Sally's one-minute-after-deadline retraction.

In which case it's Menel.

Your call, Miss Moddess.

[the phantom]

Let's just have a do-over.

You know. Just do Day 1 again. Start now? :cool:

[Mithalwen]

Yes I make it that..... hmmm

[Boromir88]

You know. Just do Day 1 again. Start now?

You know what's funny, for about half the day I was thinking about who I wanted as a representative. :rolleyes:

[the phantom]

Ha, ha, Boro!

I know what you mean. We were spoiled by those extra long Days. As today was wrapping up I was thinking no, no, it can't be over already!

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

I would have voted Mith as my rep. :Merisu:

[Strongbow]

Ha, ha, Boro!

I know what you mean. We were spoiled by those extra long Days. As today was wrapping up I was thinking no, no, it can't be over already!

A game of Mafia I played once had a Day 1 deadline of six weeks.

[Mithalwen]

The moddess has decided .. the judgement will be posted on the game thread.

[Kath]

Mith, we in no way intended to upset or hurt you. What we did we intended as a silly joke! Just something to make you laugh when you opened the thread. Did you play in that game where Bethberry randomly popped up as a cameo and some people jokingly voted for her? That was the idea behind this. It wasn't a plot to derail the game, it wasn't a plan to ruin it, the fact that we were talking together had no bearing on the outcome of the game because nobody mentioned a role.

Basically, this genuinely wasn't deliberately malicious at all. Had we known it would upset you we would never, never have done it.

[Mithalwen]

it is the off thread discussion - as well as the specific ban that make this situation untenable. It is so grossly unfair on tho others. Now I kniow it was premeditated I thinkIeither have to mod fire the lot of youor pull the plug onteh game. It breaks the trust that surrounds the game.

At least Bethberry was actually there and I took the consequence of my vote for her in Fea's mystery game.

I have spent literally years thinking about this game and now it is all it tatters.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

You should know that the only werewolf discussion in that chat was about games in the past. Nostalgic reminiscing about the first time we were wolves, or 'Do you remember that time that-?' or 'Do you remember the gae when-?". The idea to vote Legate came after no discussion of the current game apart from, "Wow, half of the village is in this chat right now." Most of our conversation actually centered around trying to convince the phantom that Shasta was Lari, and discussions of fortune cookies.

We did not discuss this game at all in terms of mechanics, roles, or strategies because the game is in play.

The vote for Legate was a silly prank which we hoped would bring about laughs, but it had no basis in the structure or play of this game.

I do hope that you decide to let us continue, as the joke was in no way intended to mock or hurt anybody, especially you, and because the discussion of the build up to the joke did not violate game rules.

If any one person must take the blame for the actions of others, let it be me. I will be no loss, and mine was the last word that determined the decision to go ahead with the scheme.

They hadn't decided on anything until I arrived.

If nothing else, please don't allow our foolishness to ruin the game for those who were not involved in it. The phantom, for instance, was not part of the plan, and posted after we did. He should therefore not be held accountable for our actions.

Please forgive us the hurt we have caused you, and please understand that it was not intended to in any way cause you to believe that we would break the rules of your game, or that we would try to intentionally throw it off track.

[Kath]

Mith I am truly sorry that this has upset you, please hold on to the fact that it was never our intention to do so. It was a joke, a silly joke - no trust has been broken because we didn't mention the actual game, the roles, the rules, the players, none of it. I can PM you the entire IM discussion if you would like and you will see that at no point did we do anything to alter the fundamental idea of the game that everyone has to work things out for themselves.

We never, never intended to mess up your game, it truly was just supposed to be something silly to make you laugh.

[satansaloser2005]

Again, I apologize if we've upset you. As Fea and Kath said, at no point did we discuss the game amongst ourselves (except when we planned our little stunt) and I also would be happy to PM (or e-mail, or whatever you prefer) you the entire discussion so you can see what transpired.

[Lariren Shadow]

I'm truly sorry for this :(. I never meant anything by voting that way. I wasn't really part of the conversation(as in participating with my own screen name) but I was there with Fea. Nothing came up about roles came up at all. It really was a sort of "why isn't Legate playing...let's vote him off for fun! That should be laugh worthy!" nothing more than that. Well and Shasta was pretending to be me.

[Kath]

Mith, I feel physically sick at the idea that I have hurt you. You know me, you know that I would never deliberately do that to you. I don't care if you modfire me in response to my idiocy, I only hope you forgive me. We didn't mean to hurt you - why on earth would we want to.

[Aganzir]

So so sorry Mith. :(

I agree with everything that has been said - it was not supposed to upset you nor anyone else. I'm truly sorry others have to suffer because of our prank, and at least I'd be happy to be modfired if it means the game can keep going.

edit: xed with Kath & can second her.

[Mithalwen]

I am going to have to sleep on this or try too. Maybe I will see the funny side of half the players having a discussion off thread and ganging up to do the ONE thing I asked you didn't. Maybe I will find someone to take over the modding. I know at least one of the players not involved isn't happy. I can't decide what is fairest.

[Brinniel]

There's not much to add to the explanation than what's already been said. But I do want to extend my apologies. Surely you know that none of us ever intended to hurt or offend you or any of the players that weren't involved. I hate the idea that I have hurt someone and it makes me tearful to know that I have. :(

I understand perfectly if you do choose to modfire all of us. It's ultimately your decision and we deserve whatever you think is fair. However, I do request that you at least keep Lariren in the game. She wasn't part of the chat itself (only simply watching it) and was encouraged by all of us to take part. I'd hate to see her kicked out of her first game because of us. And of course, the phantom must stay; he had nothing to do with this.

I hate to think your game completely destroyed, Mith, and if modfiring all of us will make things even worse, then I hope you will consider otherwise. And I most certainly hope you choose to stay the mod as you have done a wonderful job so far and no one else could do you justice. If you wish to see at least someone modfired, I'll happily remove myself from the game. I feel rather guilty, especially since I invited everyone into the chat in the first place. I never intended for us to discuss WW; I simply wanted to revive the earlier days when I used to chat with several BDers at once. But obviously, things got out of hand. It's apparent now that BDers probably shouldn't be involved in any sort of IM with one another during a WW game as only bad things seem to come from it. After this disaster, I don't think I can bring myself to do anymore chatting anytime soon. And I'm seriously considering abstaining from future WW games as well, I feel so awful.

I could say sorry a hundred more times, but I don't think the words could even begin to express how I truly feel.

[Boromir88]

It doesn't sound like anything that would compromise the game went on. It was a joke, perhaps one in poor taste, but a joke to get some laughs nonetheless. I would hate to see so many great and fun players booted after this. It probably wasn't thought out well, and looks more like a group of singers who wanted to give you a good show, not to cause anyone harm, or to grab an unfair advantage. One thing though, you're the judge, and we'll all accept your decision.

[Nogrod]

It seems werewolf-games draw catastrophies to themselves like magnets... :(

Just as someone already off the game I'd just like to say a few things.


The basic rule says that people should not interact amongst themselves privately while a game is underway eg. like no PM's or such. The reason for that is simple and understandable but very hard to follow. Many people like to socialise both online and in RL with their mates even if a game is going and it's hard and foolish to try and deny anyone from social relationships. Like in my case, I may play a WW-game during a weekend / holidays when Lommy & Greenie are at my place and are in the game as well - but I couldn't imagine myself refusing their company because there is a WW-game on.

So the question - as I see it - is not so much whether you are in contact with other people in the game while the game is on but about the nature of your contact with those other players. And here I do understand why Mith feels hurt.

Yes, it happens every now and then that we (Lommy, Greenie, myself) fex. read the thread together and there are spontaneous reactions to things said in the thread as well as some calculated or forced ones made in that company while reading but we at least try to minimize that kind of exposure because of the danger lurking there. I mean it's probably one or two times Lommy has gotten a more than a good hint of my role because I have slipped something unintentionally. And that is bad, gamewise.

But gathering around to actually discuss the Werewolf - even if not specifically this one as you say and which I honestly do believe - seems to be a bit off the mark. And making a mutual decision that goes into the game just makes it worse. It's like some of the people had their own "meta-game" when all were not in place. So I can also see why some who were not involved in the msn-discussion feel left as outsiders of the game as well.

And clearly Mith had specifically said she wouldn't like to see the retracktable votes being used carelessly and that the unnecessary use of them was subject to a modfire...


I don't see a reason for anyone to restrain themselves from meeting each other in RL or in msn (or myspace or other Downs-discussions) but some restraint could be in place as to what is discussed while a game is going - even if it is basically "harmless".

Yes it was half the players (or just almost a half?) but still the other half of the players and the mod were outside the discussion which led into those votes that were "true" in-game.

Had that vote for Legate been spontaneous it would have been hilarious - at least to my view it would have been. But put yourselves into the shoes of a mod who realises that the people playing have been plotting outside the game to act in one way or another in the actual game. I'm probably too sanguine a person to have been offended by that personally but it would have led me to think about those who were not part of the practical joke and how they would feel about it.


Anyway I do suggest that you Mith let the game go on and maybe give those who partook in the Legate-vote an official "warning" meaning fex. that they have no longer a right to use a retractable vote or something like that. That way there would be a consequence and still the game could go on.

It would be sad to see such an interesting set up & story and a fabulous gathering of players go wasted just because of an ill-advised prank.

Hoping to see this game to the end!

[Boromir88]

Nog, it is absolutely understandable in a Mod's shoes. Now, I've never been a mod, I told Mith before this one, I don't have the responsibility. We all know the time, and effort, Mods put (especially Mith) to creating a great and enjoyable game. Was it not thought out and a bad prank? Yes. But sometimes knowing you've upset a dear and respected friend, when you didn't mean to at all, is punishment enough.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Most of the reasoning behind the voting was that we thought since Legate wasn't playing, it wouldn't be a "real" vote. :( I apologize if we upset you, Mith.

[Nogrod]

But sometimes knowing you've upset a dear and respected friend, when you didn't mean to at all, is punishment enough.So true. :(

I was just trying to suggest an honourable way out of the stale-mate for you to continue the game...

[Gwathagor]

Wow...seems I missed quite a Day.

[Ilya]

As someone else who's now off the game? This is an awesome game. Conceptually, all the players, the mechanics of it, in all ways. I'd really hate to see it shut down, as it sounds like the rules were broken but maybe not in an unfixable way. Nog's suggestion is a good one, I think, if Mith wants the game to continue. Anyway, that's my 2 cents.

[Mithalwen]

Right while Nogrod has put a lot of the situation correctly, I want to speak for myself.

I do not expect that WW game players do not speak to each other at all off game - I know many of us are friends (or related) and incidentally, for myself, I don't intend to let this effect those friendships. I do realise that this was thoughtlessness not malice but the fact is that you put me in a horrible situation and caused me a lot of upset.

This game of deception is based on trust that other than special roles discussion concerning the game is on the game thread. To have half the extant players form a clique to make an in game joke is unacceptable . This is not a private game but open to all downers not just the ones the mod knows also on LJ or Facebook. I hope you can see that the behaviour was unfair. It crossed the boundary of careless remark. I know that it must be particularly hard for some players not to talk but I know as a "lone" player you sometimes get the feeling that you are at a disadvantage so I have to say (without wishing to offend anyone) that I wasn't particulary sorry that there was only one player from some notable werewolfing households. Social interraction fine - discussing votes even joke votes wrong.

I wasn't ecstatic when I was tipped off about this incident but it was the IM aspect of it that was the main problem and how that would affect the players who were "out of the loop".

However I am going to let the game go ahead. No one is modfired.

Day will end 6pm tomorrow because frankly I need a night off from the lot of you. :rolleyes:

[the phantom]

I told you I knew what you were up to, Boro. ;)

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Posthumous victory!

Positive success that taking one for the team totally works!

Boromir you sly dog! By the way, I ALREADY KNEW I WAS A CRITIC! I really didn't need that piece of insight. :p

Anybody wondering about the reasoning behind the first two night deaths, Lari wasn't kidding when she said that was all me. I was systematically removing players who stood a chance of identifying my motives. I screamed when the phantom didn't stop talking after I'd offed him!

:D

[Mithalwen]

Roles -

Kath, Boro and Phantom were preselected. I had one request for ordo status which I granted - the rest were literally pulled out of a bag. I nearly redrew when I saw that Fea was a wolf again - as in both other games but since it seemed to give a balanced game inc a newbie wolf (and since they live in such close proximity it seemed better that they were in roles where they didn't have to hide!!) I left it. My only real wildcard was Strongbow but I am told he was very active on his last game so I can only assume force Majeur and hope he is ok.

[Mithalwen]

Posthumous victory!

Positive success that taking one for the team totally works!

Boromir you sly dog! By the way, I ALREADY KNEW I WAS A CRITIC! I really didn't need that piece of insight. :p

:D

I know.. but I thought it might help you to knew he knew.

Wildman's dreams were Fea, Mac, and Aganzir I think - I'll just check.

EDIT No it was Fea, Kath and Aganzir

[the phantom]

Just so you people know, I did try and help in a small way a couple of times. But the one strict rule Mith gave me from the beginning was not to step on Walter's toes. So I didn't feel that I could attack Boro.

I did, however, try to make him more likely to be Night-killed. Remember when I said this-
Heh. Boro aint the Divo. If he was, he'd have let me know somehow.

No, no, he's an Ordo, and thus he fears death at night. No doubt that is why he chose to greet the village the way he did- with a pseudonym. He greeted us as "Smithee" (from "Alan Smithee" I assume), the director's version of "Walter Plinge". He wanted to plant the idea with the Wolves from the beginning that he was Walter, thus decreasing his chances of dying and increasing the chances that the real Walter would be done in.
I was trying to make it look like he was an Ordo fooling the Critics into thinking he was Walter, thus making him a possible Critic target. As things were, I knew he wouldn't be Night killed, for I figured the Critics suspected him as Walter. So I tried to shake that assumption.

[Mithalwen]

Just so you people know, I did try and help in a small way a couple of times. But the one strict rule Mith gave me from the beginning was not to step on Walter's toes. So I didn't feel that I could attack Boro.



Oh bother did I say that? That was when I thought they were at a disadvantage.... gah

[the phantom]

Oh bother did I say that?
Yes. You told me I was free to do whatever I wished, except for "step on Walter's toes".

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

I knew he wouldn't be Night killed, for I figured the Critics suspected him as Walter. So I tried to shake that assumption.

Yeah, I guessed he was Walter about the same time I decided you needed to go. I'm glad my co-critics didn't off him once I'd died, as I know they were thinking about it...

Speaking of, did one you save the PMs? Can we see them?

[Mithalwen]

You shouldn't take me so seriously..... I am sure that must have made sense at the time.. I dont' think I meant don't attack him at all... oh well

[Mithalwen]

I kept some but I will only post with the consent of the senders.

[the phantom]

and since they live in such close proximity it seemed better that they were in roles where they didn't have to hide
I did consider that reasoning as the game began (thought that perhaps you'd pair them as Lovers or Critics to make things simpler for them), but I thought that it was something that didn't need to be brought up. RL reasoning and all that, you know.

[the phantom]

I dont' think I meant don't attack him at all
Oh, it's fine. I attacked him in my own way. For instance, I pointed out to everyone that today was indeed "lynch-a-baddie" time, and not "lynch-a-Critic" time, thus encouraging anyone who feared he was but Walter and not a Critic to just go ahead and vote him anyway.

[Mithalwen]

It really was chance... I had a name list and wrote the available roles on pieces of polystyrene from my christmas hamper and drew them from the bag ...when I saw Fea and LAri.. I thought hmm..then no it works. I hadn't done well when I engineered the roles in my previous games and they had been completely onesided so I left it. I thought it had a good balance and I was sufficiently content not to restart when I had a late request to admit new players....

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

I meant the PMs between us critics (I didn't keep them, and I didn't get the ones from after I died), but I'd love to see some of the stuff others wrote. :p

I certainly have no problem with my PMs being posted, though you might need to edit some. I seem to remember my reaction to finding out the phantom didn't really die being a little... enthusiastic.

[the phantom]

No, no... Unedited versions, please.

[Mithalwen]

Oh that was classic ... on the lines of

Fea : Sorry but kill the phantom

Me: You don't have to apologise

Fea: I know but I am really sorry because he is so entertaining ...

Me: No you REALLY don't have to apologise..


MWahahahaaha

[the phantom]

Ha ha ha! :D

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

That wasn't even the one I meant. :D

[Mithalwen]

Sorry I dont' seem to have kept everything.... the bit about TP dining in hell for example.... but there was this... :D

About what?

(Fea)
My whole ridiculous goose chase event yesterday was solely me trying to figure out if he 'knew' something or if he 'noticed' something.

By the end, I knew he was special.

I was so hoping we'd bagged a seer...

(Mith)
Oh darling we all know Phantom is special ... he just doens't have any special power in this game other than that inherent within him.....

[the phantom]

By the end, I knew he was special.

I was so hoping we'd bagged a seer...
Ah, so I was partly right when I made this statement on Day 2-
Give Fea some credit. She's a tricksy back-stabber if I ever saw one. She would totally play along with a ploy and then kill me. Especially if she thought the ploy was real. Or a cover for a gifted (Seer pretending to be the Divo pretending to be a Lover).

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Ha! I forgot about that.

As you can see, I always think the phantom is almost as special as he thinks he is. :p

[Mithalwen]

Steady on there..... mind you I Boro's ego will give tp's a run for his money now...

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Ah, so I was partly right when I made this statement on Day 2-

You were so accurate with your summary of what I might have been up to that I just about spat my drink out on my keyboard giggling.

I was soooo irritated you were still alive because I had no idea if you were going to peg me for the baddie that I was. That was why I'd tried killing you in the first place! And then you were still conversant and had the added information of somebody having tried to kill you.

I mean, the ploy was sort of legit... I wanted to find out if you were gifted, and I wanted to make the village suspect Nog. Both of my goals succeeded, which delighted me. I also wanted to find out what you knew about Nog, because gifted or not, you tend to have excellent insight (hence my attempted assassination).

Sigh.

This was such an excellent game...

[Mithalwen]

Only thing that rankles - of all the blooming times I have tried to get Nogrod lynched day one when he WAS a wolf.... anyway I think it has set up a good day 2

That was my comment to TGWBS after the double lynch day one...:rolleyes:

[Gwathagor]

Great game everybody!

[Lariren Shadow]

Yes woah! Good game everyone!

I do have some/most of the PMs...just not the ones I sent that I deleted. So here goes:

Fate dictates
that you, Fea, Lariren, and Gwathagor are my wolves (critics in this game) - what are the odds Fea but I swear it is the way the cookie crumbled.

You get to talk at night and have the help of Walter Plinge - a cobbler/spy. Walter will dead-drop a snippet of information at the beginning of each night game night that he lives - bit like a reverse seer. Try not to kill him too soon

Fellow wolves,

I won't be around today (I'm watching the LotR Trilogy straight through), but please PM away. I'll read everything this evening.

-Gwath


Quote:
Originally Posted by Gwathagor
Fellow wolves,

I won't be around today (I'm watching the LotR Trilogy straight through), but please PM away. I'll read everything this evening.
No worries. Lariren and I are doing first-day-of-class things, like going to classes, and then running haven't-been-here-in-a-month errands.

Obviously (or maybe not obviously, for Lariren's benefit) we don't get to choose a kill on Night One, only discuss strategies. Here's the goal for Day One: don't get killed.

Lariren, you'll get the benefit of the doubt, particularly if I plant the seed of, "I picked the roles in my game. Do you really think Mith would choose a brand new player to be a wolf in her revival game of old faces?"

I'd go with asking a lot of questions, figuring out the rules, making yourself known to people, but without them forgetting that you've never done this before. Everybody feels guilty about killing a newbie on the first Day.

Gwath, I have complete faith in your ability to not-die.

Me? Well, if the phantom or Boro (or Brinn! She was so my downfall in the last game I played for real...) are Seer, I'm distinctly in trouble, so unless I come up with a foolproof way of getting village trust (like give them one of you on a silver platter), don't support me too publicly. I'm bad news to be friends with, especially if you're on my side.

Night Two we can deal with when Night Two rolls around. Nights are for Seer-Hunting, but also for covering your tracks.

Since there's not much to discuss, and I've got a new issue of Cosmo to read, I'll leave off for now.

Re: Fate dictates
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lariren Shadow
It could also be good to through out there that it would be stupid to give the newbie a wolf roll as well as Fea being one.
We could do that... if we wanted to suggest to them that I'm a wolf.

Which we don't.

Because we don't want me to die.

Or at least I don't want me to die.

I say we play it by ear, aim for self-preservation, and pretend none of us have ever had anything to do with each other.
Fea

Night 2
Ah ha ha ha ha ha ha! Double lynch! Oh man! Ha ha ha!

Anyway - Fea, what was all that stuff between you and the Phantom? It made me feel awfully stupid.

-Gwath

Re: Night 2
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gwathagor
Anyway - Fea, what was all that stuff between you and the Phantom? It made me feel awfully stupid.
Yeah, sorry about that... I'm just a sadist and I thought it would be funny to send him off on a chase through all of his posts so he'd learn what it's like to try and critically assess everything he says.

In summary: it was almost entirely just me giggling evilly over here.

However it was me playing jokes with a purpose behind them.

Get this: I was talking about how on page three the phantom said "*whispers to werewolves* You want to kill Nog."

It just seemed downright weird that he would name a specific player to tease the wolves with, you know? Especially after having said point blank on page one that Nogrod would "help me catch the critics." The phantom rarely makes direct statements unless he has direct knowledge. Notice how he said that a bunch of us were up to something, that he's not allowed to talk to Boro, that Sally's innocent, but will make mistakes. He usually hedges. And he was being exceptionally blatant.

So I figured that it didn't actually mean anything about Nog, but that it might mean something about the phantom, but I also remembered Nog saying he was the divo, and thinking "It would be funny if he really was."

So my point of that ridiculous series of vaguenesses was to get the phantom to lead me to anything he'd said that was actually of any substance so that I could make a better informed guess of his role. I didn't expect him at any point to come and say anything real, but I was intending for him to think I'd spotted what he said about Nog 'singing' (which Boro also noticed) , and let me know if he was goofing around or if he had (wink wink) solid knowledge of anything.

My secondary goal, besides to learn whether or not the phantom is gifted (I think yes), was to direct the village to kill off Nogrod, who is always a threat, thereby curing us of a player who is a dangerous ordo without us having to do any of the dirty work, and thereby incriminating the phantom (and, conveniently, Boro) while we're at it.

Of course I never could have suspected the fantastic double lynch bandwagon that ended up happening. I only hope we didn't nail our Cobbler in the fray.

But yeah...

That thing with the phantom was me testing him to see if he would drop a few gifted hints, which he did. So now all I have to do is figure out if they were real hints, or if they were "kill me and give the seer another night" hints.

Now I eagerly await the narration...

Re: Night 2
Woo hoo! Double ordo kill!
Gwath

[Lariren Shadow]

Gwath:
Re: Night 2
Do we want to try to kill a gifted (and risk attacking dear Walter or the diva/o), or do we want to shoot for an ordo? I am tempted to suggest that we kill the phantom, if only for his remark toDay that he could direct the nightly kills through clever manipulation.



Quote:
Originally Posted by Lariren Shadow
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gwathagor
Woo hoo! Double ordo kill!


Now who do we kill tonight?

Fea:
Re: Night 2
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gwathagor
I am tempted to suggest that we kill the phantom, if only for his remark toDay that he could direct the nightly kills through clever manipulation.
I say yes, we kill the phantom. Because I know well that he can manipulate. Mostly just because while I'd LOVE to keep him around for entertainment value, who would ever think I'd choose to kill him at night?

Anyway...

Yes, I think we should kill the phantom. We can always use our knowledge of Mac's ordo-ness to our advantage later. Why kill off a perfectly good piece of cannon-fodder early?

Gwath:
Re: Night 2
Ok, well, let's kill the Phantom then. I doubt that he is the divo - surely our Mod wouldn't do anything so...obvious? Intuitive? Expected? I really couldn't say whether he's the cobbler or not, but I'm willing to risk it.

And, hey, Lariren, we can talk about WHATEVER we like in our PMs. But, yeah, you've got the right idea.

-Gwath


Quote:
Originally Posted by Lariren Shadow

Sounds like a good plan. Plus killing the phantom kind of throws suspicions off of all of us. He might not think Fea would kill him and I'm under his "protection" and he seems to not think anything bad of Gwath. There are a lot of others out there attacking him, we could use that to our advantage. At least I think there are other suspicious of him. I really hope that made sense.

Plus I have a feeling Ilya and Boro are the lovers.

And tell me if that's not what this messaging is for.

Fea:
Re: Night 2
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lariren Shadow
And tell me if that's not what this messaging is for.
Nope. You're dead on. Good girl.

Fea:
Re: Night 2
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gwathagor
Ok, well, let's kill the Phantom then.
Okay, I'm on it.

Fea:
Tonight
Lari and I would really like to pick off TGWBSuspecting Me.

Do you mind/have a different preference?

Gwath:
Re: Tonight
Quote:
Originally Posted by Feanor of the Peredhil
Lari and I would really like to pick off TGWBSuspecting Me.

Do you mind/have a different preference?
Why him in particular? Do you think people are likely to listen to him? If so, then let's by all means kill him.

Fea:
Re: Tonight
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gwathagor
Why him in particular? Do you think people are likely to listen to him? If so, then let's by all means kill him.
Him in particular because if he's the Seer, I'd love to knock him off now, and if he's not the Seer, it still keeps him from pointing out with such enthusiasm that I'm obviously evil.

I'm always willing to take my chances with "Would Fea have done that?" but I sort of hate not cleaning up threats while it's still easy to do so.

Gwath:
FW: Tonight
Quote:
Originally Posted by Feanor of the Peredhil
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gwathagor
Why him in particular? Do you think people are likely to listen to him? If so, then let's by all means kill him.
Him in particular because if he's the Seer, I'd love to knock him off now, and if he's not the Seer, it still keeps him from pointing out with such enthusiasm that I'm obviously evil.

I'm always willing to take my chances with "Would Fea have done that?" but I sort of hate not cleaning up threats while it's still easy to do so.
Ok, let's do it and see how it turns out.

Gwath:
Re: Who do we want to kill?
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lariren Shadow
So, Fea is dead. Now who do we want to kill tonight in an attempt to not throw suspicion on us? I'm thinking someone we both think is innocent. What about you?
Yes. We also want to kill someone smart, someone who is likely to bring unwanted direction and accuracy to the village.

Obviously, we do not want to kill either Mac or Aganzir just yet because of the suspicion they are under.

I don't want to kill Boro, because I think he might be the cobbler. He made a few comments toDay about Fea that made me wonder, so let's hold off on him.

What about Brinniel? Do you have any ideas?

Gwath:
Re: Who do we want to kill?
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lariren Shadow
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gwathagor
What about Brinniel? Do you have any ideas?
I was thinking her or Sally or Kath, but Kath is the Diva so that doesn't help. I like going with Brinn, she thought we were both innocent on Day 2.
Ok, I'll send a message to Mith.

Gwath:
Night Stuff
No way are we killing Mac or Sally. They got votes toDay, which means they might draw votes toMorrow, and anyone who is going to draw votes who isn't us is someone we want to keep around. Let's kill someone who is not going to get lynched otherwise. Boro maybe?

Also, who do you think the cobbler is?

-Sir Gwathahad

Gwath:
Night
Oh yeah. Or we could definitely kill Aganzir, as you say. That would be a very very obvious lynch, and therefore attributable to anybody. They would have a hard time pinning it on us specifically.

Gwath:
Night Stuff
Hey Lariren, I'm sorry about my inbox being full! My internet has been down for the past 15 hours or something like that, so I couldn't do anything about it. I hope you just took the initiative and PMed a kill choice to Mithalwen.

-Gwath

And message I never actually sent to Gwath(his inbox was full):
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Oh yeah. Or we could definitely kill Aganzir, as you say. That would be a very very obvious lynch, and therefore attributable to anybody. They would have a hard time pinning it on us specifically.

Yeah thats the thing. She did accuse me when I teamed up with Mac to get Gollum(I just wanted him gone) but then I said I regretted my vote. And explained it all.

I think Agan would be a good kill, but I'm still having a hard time figuring out who the cobbler is. Part of me wants to say its Boro but then again he(he right?) been working a case against Kath.

Maybe it is Mac because he said he wasn't the divo.

Anyway I think Agan is a dangerous player at the moment but I'm up for her or Mac(because, really, we could then get Boro/Kath lynched for that).

[Lariren Shadow]

PS: Gwath I totally freaked out at your vote. Especially since I wasn't going to be on the computer for that much longer.

[Gwathagor]

You needn't have worried. I waited until the BD clock changed to GMT 6:59, counted to 35, and then voted.

[Boromir88]

Boromir you sly dog! By the way, I ALREADY KNEW I WAS A CRITIC! I really didn't need that piece of insight.~Fea
Hehe, but that piece of info helped me make probably my best decision the next spy.

Night 1: Mac (Ordo) - And that first post was without a doubt a "I'm the cobbler, wolves! I was the one who spied on Mac. Don't kill me" post.

Night 2: I had down to either tp or Fea, with all that trickery one had to be a wolf, and I did want to find at least one. I figured with all of tp's Walter talk, he would not draw that much attention to an ally if he was a wolf, so went with Fea. Found a critic.

Night 3: Kath (divo). I never spied on tgwbs, :D. I think I PMed Mith, that knowing Fea was a critic, tgwbs is either also one and they are planning a sacrifice. Or tgwbs is the seer and the wolves would be wise to get rid of him now anyway. So, instead of spying on him, I stumbled on the divo early.

Night 4: Agan (soulmate), and that is why I was planning such a monstrous defense for you. Cailin was right. :p

Night 5: sally. I thought Agan was going to get killed during the night, and this way I could have both Mac and sally as safe targets to go after during the day. But with Mac's death, I was down to sally, and after I spotted the stuff in Fea's post about Lari I was fairly confident she was one of the remaining critics. But between Gwath and Shasta I had no clue.

I thought I botched it the last day, because I wasn't quite sure what I wanted to do. I thought about building a case against sally, with my presumed innocence, but didn't think I could milk that for another day. Then I thought I could reveal to be Walter and make it look like I knew sally and was trying to save her from the gallows. That was going to be difficult, and when Kath voted sally, it was a good escape, and hoped the two critics would help me.

After Lari voted for sally, I knew she was a wolf, I was still unsure about Gwath and was waiting on his vote, if he voted me we're good, if he voted sally, I was going to retract and vote for myself to end it. But hey didn't have to do that. Amazing job fellows. :D

I told you I knew what you were up to, Boro.~tp
Haha, on Day 1 when you said me, Fea, and two others, and said something about probably being a critic and Walter in there, I was stunned. Mostly because it reminded me of Fea's game where you jumped on Brinn and Morm for the #of reps and unbeknownst had two wolves, you made a very similar comment and this time again.

Also, I thought when posted about me not being the Divo but an ordo who's trying to look like Walter, you knew by then for sure. And the shoe comment...well I walked right into that one.

[Nogrod]

So I was right about Gwath on Day1! I just didn't stick to it... :rolleyes:

Cool game critics - and Walter!

And a fascinating concept Mith!

Hah, we opera-singers were just soo lousy! :)

[Kath]

Haha, I think it has become a rule now that in Mith's games the wolves win. :D Well I'm pleased to know that I was right about Boro. As for Lari - brilliantly played! I'm not even going to say especially for a newbie because pfft to that, she played better than many of us more experienced players I think!

It's strange, in one way I'm gutted that I missed out on the Day, it would certainly have been an experience! But then on the other hand I'm so, so glad because I know I'd have been climbing the walls if I'd had to sit and wait and watch.

I'm also ridiculously pleased that I got spied on, it makes me feel special. :D

So thanks for a fantastic game Mith! It was well worth the amount of time you've spent on it methinks, I loved the special roles. Even the soulmates one which could have gone to pieces a bit with Strongbow's disapperance gave us the tense ending to yesterDay!

[the phantom]

And the shoe comment...well I walked right into that one.
Ha ha! Boro, you made my day with that one. The response I gave to you- "And you know precisely where to find shoes, don't you? ;)" was perhaps my favorite thing that I got to say the entire game.

[satansaloser2005]

Ha ha! Boro, you made my day with that one. The response I gave to you- "And you know precisely where to find shoes, don't you? ;)" was perhaps my favorite thing that I got to say the entire game.




*headTARDISes*

Oh my giddy aunt, I so should have picked up on that!

[Gwathagor]

Great job as the cobbler, Boro! I thought it might be you, but I really wasn't sure - and I was quite scared of you on the last day.

[Lariren Shadow]

Boro: I tried to tell you I was a critic when I pretty much listed who you spied on. I had forgotten about Mac...until I read through all the spied on messages I got.

And Fea will attest to my whole sort of flipping out on Day 1(I kind of screamed and was worried...a lot) when Agan posted about who she randomly thought was guilty...and listed all of us. She was right the first Day.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Yeah, that was funny. I assured her later that it happens all the time.

[Mithalwen]

Haha, I think it has become a rule now that in Mith's games the wolves win. :D Well I'm pleased to know that I was right about Boro. As for Lari - brilliantly played! I'm not even going to say especially for a newbie because pfft to that, she played better than many of us more experienced players I think!



Actually it is alternating ... the secret may be to have Boromir on your side but he didn't paly the first game. I never thought he would live so long when he annonced he was Walter with his first words - I couldn't believe my eyes. Did none of you google Walter Plinge?

[the phantom]

*raises hand*

I Googled it. Before I ever posted.

[Cailín]

Congratulations, baddies. Quite a good game, and Mith's modding was awesome: rarely seen a mod who is so involved with the proceedings.

I was reading over my posts the night after Aganzir passionately murdered me, and found myself quite obnoxious and arrogant, really. So, apologies, though you can imagine how frustrated I was (we've all been there) especially after Sally's outrageous analysis. ;)

You may not be surprised to hear I was the one who requested to be an ordinary villager. And I had too little time even for that at the start of the game. Still, feel pretty pleased that I did identify Boromir as the Cobbler, and was close on the trail of the two remaining Critics.

Oh, and thanks Mac, for the vote of confidence there. :)

[Mithalwen]

*raises hand*

I Googled it. Before I ever posted.

And you didn't pick up on the Smithees thing?

[the phantom]

And you didn't pick up on the Smithees thing?
I was the one who finally pointed it out, m'dear. Definitely noticed. :)

[Mithalwen]

Just must kick myself harder for not giving you free rein... hey ho...

[the phantom]

I wouldn't have said anything about it until I did anyway. There was more than one possibility as to what Boro was up to early on, and I wasn't about to jump up and down and point it out before I had some sort of plan of action.

I'm a firm believer that you don't mess with someone's plan unless you have some specific purpose for it. Let people play. Let them do their thing. If you're not exactly sure what sort of ploy you are witnessing, just keep your mouth shut until you think you know. Then act accordingly.

[Gwathagor]

Did none of you google Walter Plinge?

You bet I did.

[Aganzir]

Aieeeeee!
Guilty
Boro & Mac. Boro's joke about voting Mac and retracting is clearly critic-on-critic. Then Boro is trying to take some distance by saying he doesn't know German.
Gwath. Last time he asked for an explanation concerning the rules, he was guilty himself.
Fea. Popping in without saying anything but that she's here.
Lariren. Popping in just to say she's here.
:p
From now on I always stick to my day 1 suspicions.

I grew rather suspicious about Lari at the end of the last day when she said who the cobbler could have spied on & analysed the wolf kills. They just felt.. wrong. However I didn't have time to go through her posts & had more serious suspects as well.

I did, however, try to make him more likely to be Night-killed. Remember when I said this-
I noticed that and tried to play along first by saying he looked innocent. But then I read through his posts and realised that the critics most likely knew who he was by then.

Did none of you google Walter Plinge?
I did. And although Smithee was mentioned in the Wikipedia article I read, I didn't remember it when I saw Boro's post.

Aganzir passionately murdered me
Sorry about that. Later I realised I suspected you mostly because I had misread that one post of yours so completely that it looked plain suspicious.

Anyway thank you all, especially Mith. This game was really awesome and I enjoyed every moment.

Also, my apologies to Mac. I don't remember when I last did not suspect you.

Congrats for the victory, critics - I dare say you deserved it. Especially kudos to Lari - you were simply awesome.

[Gwathagor]

Aieeeeee!

:p
From now on I always stick to my day 1 suspicions.


Oh wow!

[Nogrod]

Aieeeeee! From now on I always stick to my day 1 suspicions.

Oh wow!

Just check your back every once in a while Gwath. There will be two of us!

I mean there will be no mercy from me to anyone who appears suspicious on Day1. They have been too often proved to be the wolves for me to skip that piece of information any more. So I'm going from this on after those who look suspicious whatever their track-record is and how unfairly they have been lynched early this far. :rolleyes:

[Gwathagor]

Ha ha ha. :rolleyes: Great.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

I googled Walter. But like heck was I going to point my cobbler out to people. :)

[Lariren Shadow]

Aieeeeee!

I grew rather suspicious about Lari at the end of the last day when she said who the cobbler could have spied on & analysed the wolf kills. They just felt.. wrong. However I didn't have time to go through her posts & had more serious suspects as well.

Congrats for the victory, critics - I dare say you deserved it. Especially kudos to Lari - you were simply awesome.

*blushes*bows* I'm pretty sure my whole tactic was to play the innocent newbie.

And I was trying to tell Boro that I was a wolf/critic. With the people that Boro spied on that is.

[Lariren Shadow]

By the way, I don't know if I did say this but really great game everyone!

And I think I might have been the only one not to google Walter.:rolleyes:

[Macalaure]

Congrats, wolves, and Lariren especially - that was an impressive debut!

I guess I have to echo Cailín there - I played it a bit too aggressive now and then. Well, the game did not go well for the innocents, I was dissatisfied with my own vague suspicions, and then I read statements I completely disagreed with and went a bit overboard criticising them. I guess I have to re-learn that this is a game and having fun is way more important than winning.

Anyway, thank you Mith for an entertaining game in a great setting. Thank you for your work - and your patience.

If feel honoured that I was dreamt of by both the seer and the cobbler. Tgwbs, will you explain your hints to us?

Oh, and thanks Mac, for the vote of confidence there.You're welcome.

Also, my apologies to Mac. I don't remember when I last did not suspect you.No need to apologise - it was fun! But when you were happy that the critics killed me... that hurt. :( ;)

And I think I might have been the only one not to google Walter.You're not. ;)

[Brinniel]

Gah! I have to admit I was rather upset when you all lynched Gollum as he was one of the few I truly believed was innocent (along with Shasta). Then I was disappointed to find out that lynching Mac instead wouldn't have made much difference. :rolleyes:

Good job to the baddies! You all played well from the very beginning, which indeed helped to make for the big win (I don't think us innocents had much of a shot by the last Day). Fea, who knows how much longer you would've lasted if tgwbs hadn't put you on the top of the suspect list. Lari wasn't someone I was concerned about until the end when she wasn't dead yet. Then her reaction to Kath's reveal made me quite suspicious. And Gwath I never suspected at all. When Boro wasn't Night-killed, I began to worry he was a baddie. And after his little stunt I decided he was indeed the cobbler; his ploy somewhat reminded me of when he was seer.

What a great game, Mith, and excellent narrations. :)

[satansaloser2005]

Incidentally, did anyone ever figure out my quote?

"Permit me thus to be torn from thee."


I just wondered if anyone had got it and I'd missed it. ;)

(And I made my 1k post and didn't realize it. So yay me~!)