Tol-in-Gaurhoth LXIX: Were-Librarians [Archive] - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

satansaloser2005

08-03-2009, 12:06 AM

*mutters to herself*

Perfect, just perfect. I bloody hated high school, you know. Spent all my time either in the library or on the edge of the stage reading books. Same difference, really. *sighs* Best see who's all here then, I suppose.

Fea. Oh, there's lovely. Loved doing group projects with her; one of the few times I didn't have to do all the work.

Hakon. Wait, that can't be Hakon! That snobby kid who was always too good to talk to anyone? Best be keeping clear of him; the way he looks I bet he's not changed at all, and if he does talk to me I sure don't want to hear how much money he's been making.

Boro. Okay, take a deep breath, it's only Boro. But....dang, he looks good. Holy cow, I've missed him. We'd probably still be together if it wasn't for stupid Lari getting in the way. I suppose my obsession senior year with randomly becoming a tree didn't help, but I still think he only liked her because she tutored him in history....*sighs*....Well, he doesn't seem to interested in the little homewrecker tonight, so maybe....just maybe....maybe I should go fix my hair and snag my Cyrano out of my purse. He always did like French. :Merisu:

Tum. She was in our class? Oh yeah, that kid who always carried around a little screwdriver and that notebook full of random numbers and crap.

Nerwen. If she breaks into song one time this weekend I'll kill her. Other than that I suppose she's all right, though I would bet my complete works of Shakespeare that her job has something to do with an oven mitt and a funny hat with bull horns on it. 'Mammalian nutrition specialist' my tap shoe clad foot.

Nessa. Poor kid, looks like she never did anything with her life. Yet another of us who should have made a ton of money but instead is working six dozen jobs just so we can do what we love. Oooo, that's interesting. She and Shasta are just chatting away. Lovely.

Wilwa. Well hello, Mrs. Robinson. I can't believe she's with- oh, that's her son. Much better then. You know, for being the school 'sweetheart' she looks pretty happy with all those kids. Very cute. Always did like her, even if she did hit on Boro a bit much.

Nienna. I'm really hoping that's paint on her shirt, because otherwise we might be in a bit of trouble.

Mac. Didn't say much then, probably won't say much now. I suppose he was nice though, and he helped out a lot with the sets, so he can't be all bad.

Shasta. I remember when we used to hang out after rehearsals and he'd paint....things....on the sets. *giggles* It's a shame he got kicked out of the drama club because he's a fabulous scene partner. Can't wait to hang out with him this weekend and see what kind of hijinks we can come up with....well, he can come up with and I can giggle at or vice versa but no matter what it should be a blast.

Form. Still can't believe he called last week, just to use me as a reference for his silly thesis. I mean I know I'm a rising star but I'm not of much use for a paper on the theory of comedy and macaroni. Strange, strange kid, but amusing I guess.

Alona. That's right, she was the girl who always hung out with Lari. Really, I think that's the only reason she had a social life, because if it wasn't for Miss Princess over there across the room Alona would have spent all her time volunteering at the hospital. She looks like me during show weeks, only a heck of a lot worse, the poor girl. Maybe she'll get to relax a bit this weekend instead of running around like George flipping Hay.

Brinn. Ah, well, still creepy as ever. Whoa, I didn't know you could get piercings there. Now I remember why I always avoided her. Awk....ward....

Lari. Of course she's here and wearing the skankiest thing I've ever seen in my life. Like those glasses make her look any less like....Oh, look, Boro's walking by again....That's right, Miss, you leave him alone.

Mira. Heh, she was always interested in random crap, so I guess her job makes sense. But she was nice enough for a bit of a weirdo, so not a total loss. Maybe this won't be so bad after all.

satansaloser2005

08-03-2009, 12:20 AM

Boro always did have a way with words. *giggles* I guess we'll have to have another discussion about how to use our mouths.

After all the hours we spent working on his public speaking you'd think he'd be better at it. After all, he is going to be a teacher....

*sighs*

He can teach me anytime.

Oooo everyone's stopped paying attention to him now. Maybe it's time we had a little conversation....

Shastanis Althreduin

08-03-2009, 12:55 AM

Hmph. I can't believe I came back to this. I could have been in a brick-wall no-name cafe reciting poetry to a drumbeat against the machine.

Shasta looked around the room disgruntledly, pointedly ignoring Wilwa -

Okay, I was mean all throughout highschool, I can sit here and look at some dumb pictures. She's obviously proud of them.

Sighing, he made an effort to pay attention to Wilwa while simultaneously searching the room for Sally - she was probably likely to be the most fun of anyone here.

satansaloser2005

08-03-2009, 01:38 AM

*tackles Shasta with a hug but quickly composes herself*

I've not seen you in ages, ever since that run-in you had with Boro in front of the nurse's station. I hope you'll get along a bit better this weekend, because I don't want to find out if it's still possible for us to get detention. (On the plus side, I always did like a good bit of drama, for obvious reasons.) I hate to leave you with no one interesting to talk to, but I'm supposed to hook up with Boro in a bit, so I better be off. Nice talking to you again! See you later!

*steps away then glances around and sighs*

Now where has Boro gone off to? I could have sworn I just saw him. Maybe he decided to be more phantom-ish, school spirit and all that rubbish. Or maybe he just went to the bathroom....

Nerwen

08-03-2009, 01:52 AM

Nerwen had thought she'd have a chance to catch up with old friends, but she couldn't even remember some of these people, and the ones she did could be summed up as, "the weird kids". The worst part was that a lot of them seemed to be doing better than her,

Unless they're faking it too, she thought. Sally had implied that she was sort of making it in theatre, but Nerwen couldn't imagine how. Maybe they get her to play trees.

She snorted with laughter, nearly inhaling her drink. A few people looked at her then, and she pretended to cough.

Sally was now talking to Shasta, the former school rebel, who, she had to admit, was still quite hot.

Nerwen drifted over to them. "Hey, funny about Lari isn't it? I never knew she was an Amber Lynn fan."

Nienna

08-03-2009, 05:54 AM

Nienna glances around the room. She is pretty sure that she has never seen most of these people before in her life. She wonders what this says about her as a person and how that could be conveyed through her art.

*rushes off to spend the day in the art room working this fabulous idea*

*will probably be back later in the day to show off her work or pretend that she hasn't made anything*

Nessa Telrunya

08-03-2009, 06:12 AM

Nessa glanced around in apprehension at her former classmates, wondering if drawing a Wunki was still thought weird. The elusive creature was the cutest thing, but of course in high school, a fascination with a "fantasy" creature would be teased.

Everyone was here, apparently, although she couldn't recognize a few. Deciding that this would be a long weekend, Nessa took a sip of her drink. Maybe after all these years, someone will have lightened up and felt like speaking to her.

Feanor of the Peredhil

08-03-2009, 06:22 AM

Fea, hugging Formendacil fondly, politely excuses herself, moves gracefully through the crowd, and then, with a gleeful squee, launches herself upon alonariel.

"I brought you lemons!!!" she giggles, dumping them on alonariel.

Fea wanders over to greet Brinn, admiring what is either new ink or fake ink.

They banter.

Suddenly Fea feels an explosion against her back and falls face forward to the floor. The wind knocked out of her, she tries desperately to get her breath back while Mira nuzzles her in a death grip hug. When she can finally choke out a few words, she says, from the floor, "I missed you too," and pets Mira's hair (which Fea cut and which Mira better wear down for her even if it's hot when she comes to visit in TWO DAYS).

Fea continues to banter a bit, and rests assured that everybody will realize that at heart she is in fact bantering more or less all day, even though her alter ego will be most likely bored at a new job.

"Nienna, love-" she begins to say, wanting to leave a message with someone reasonably reliable, and then realizes Nienna has already run off to make art.

Well... Time to get ready to be a Grown Up.

autume98

08-03-2009, 06:47 AM

I can not believe I came to the reunion. What on earth was I thinking. I really didn't care for most of these people when I was in high school. They seriously had no clue to how much power a person can generate from a computer. Money is to be made in computers. All they did was give me these crazy looks all the time.

What they don't know is that I'm now working for Bill Gates making some good money. So I do know why I came. I'm hoping to be able to show them all up. Especially the prissy ones. What is it with cheerleaders that make them think they are better than anyone else?

Oh well. I shall wait for the right time, then I will really show them. They obviously haven't seen the car I've been driving.

I go grab some punch and head to a corner of the room where I can keep to myself for the time being and play with my SmartPhone.

wilwarin538

08-03-2009, 06:55 AM

Wilwa giggled as she continued to tell Mac and Shasta about how #8 is finally walking, how wonderful is that!?!

They don't seem to be all that interested, she thought sadly as Shasta walked away to talk to Sally, sweet girl though, and Mac just sat there looking half asleep. How strange, I thought everyone would be so excited to hear about my wonderful miracles.

She decided to wander around and look for someone else to talk too. After grabbing a strange green drink that tasted like bananas she walked up to Nessa, who also seemed quite lonely.

"Hello!" Willwa said gently trying to remember any classes they had together. "Remember that one time in English Lit...."

Boromir88

08-03-2009, 07:03 AM

Boro started talking, as if there was a person still next to him, he assumed Hakon was still there, but he didn't know for sure:

"A bit zealous, but she's got a good heart...sally that is. Remember the school play, about 1920s Chicago? I was a wealthy businessman that resemebled Colonel Saunders, that's when she first started liking me...weird. But it's not like I haven't had worse. This one girl, Kylee, oh that was scary. Always asking me to give her a ride home, and peeking around corners to see if I was alone so she could ambush me. *shiver* She's not here is she? She can't be, don't worry, she was 3 years younger...can't be here. No way."

He looks as sally, she was beaming. He looks at Lari, Boro can't read the look on her face, it looks like she's been carrying something bad, something she wants to get off her chest. Probably just stress from this get together. If you go up and ask her, you know it will not go well. He looks back at sally, she must have noticed he had turned his attention and for a moment had his mind on Lari...sally did not look pleased now. Oh no, it wasn't anything like that dear. Not at all, no. Why can't you just go up and tell her? Because you know if you do you will start sweating and stuttering and make yet another fool of yourself. This is going to be a long night, bud.

*gulps* "I'm going to see if they have anything stronger than punch."

Edit: crossed with autume and wilwa

Mirandir

08-03-2009, 08:30 AM

Mira disentangled herself from Fea when she remembered the Jello shots she had secretly made just in case things got boring. While Jello shots might not have been the most respectable of drinks for a high school reunion (she knew Fea especially would disapprove unless made with bourbon or something equally vile and orange-nail-polish-remover-tasting), they would certainly be a conversation piece.

Before she had a chance to go get them from the kitchen, however, it occurred to Mira that she had not yet crushed Nienna in a death hug. One look around told her the art student was nowhere to be found and thus must be in the studio. Mira smiled. Many a good time had been had in the studio, often at her expense. She disappeared down the hallway to find her reclusive friend (aka Mira has to be a big girl and go to work now).

autume98

08-03-2009, 10:41 AM

I remain in my corner when I realize I should probably make my rounds and introduce myself. After all I do work for Bill Gates now, and drive a 2007 Porche. I give a small smirk and think, "Probably the only one here who can afford such a thing."

So I go off and start making the rounds beginning with Sally. As I approach I see Sally is looking to her left. As I follow her eyesigt I see she is looking at Boro. I know she had a thing for him back then.

I decide to get this over with and enter her field of vision.

alonariel

08-03-2009, 11:33 AM

Alona was both shocked and happy to see Fea at the reunion, even more so when she produced a green mesh bag of lemons and handed them to her.

"Your memory's impeccable!" Alona says, laughing a little.

She watched Fea wander off to speak with other classmates, and then disappear off to find some other classmate.

Probably Nienna, she thought, remembering how much both girls enjoyed art. Those two were inseparable in high school!

Speaking of friends, Alona made her way over to Lari, taking in the girl's rather bold outfit as she did so. She looked down at her own clothes - a sea green gauze dress she'd picked out because the color matched her scrubs and low, two-inch matching heels.

"Hey chiquita," Alona greeted, remembering the two had shared AP Spanish together. "A mi me encantan tus tacones."

Lariren Shadow

08-03-2009, 11:36 AM

Lari stood off to the side, sipping her punch. Needs something, she thought, oh I know, Frangelico…no spiking the punch is so high scho-oh wait, its like I’m back anyway. She gazed at her classmates and wondered if they had noticed how sickenly sweet her speeches and temperament was. It was even giving her cavities. She really would rather have been off being truly sarcastic but had been taught to play the polite hostess when she needed too. Stupid manners, she thought.

Oh there’s Shasta and Sally, good thing they are getting along. Boro seems to have worked up the confidence to go over and talk to Sally again. I think I should apologize for what happened…well it was a one time thing and I felt horrible about it…oh Fea just gave Alona lemons, that’s really nice of her to remember. And Nienna looks to have run off to the art room already. Oh good, Wilwa and Nessa are talking and everyone else seems to be entertaining themselves (I wouldn’t mind Autume’s SmartPhone…), that means I can go get some air.

Lari set her cup down and headed out of the conference room and off to the bathroom first. After that quick trip she was walking back to the conference room of green and black when she heard a giggle from behind a closed door and then a loud thump. Its not a room…well I know curiosity killed the cat but I’m not a cat! Lari grabbed the handle and throw open the door.

Inside the closet she found that Boro and Sally had defiantly made up and were, well, talking with their mouths closed. All Boro could do was splutter out nonsense while Sally had the ability to exclaim “Oh spite, oh hell.”

“I’ll…leave you too it then.” Lari closed the door. Funny, I never thought that they were even that serious in high school, maybe they really got together afterward. Lari closed the door and walked away.

I better go find Mira, she thought, I saw her walk out and if I have be there she does too, co-voted hostess of the most annoying thing in awhile. She was pretty much giving into her inner sarcasm while keeping a bright smile on the outside.

Suddenly everything went black. When everything began to come into the focus again, she wasn’t sure what had happened, she noticed she was in library stacks. That’s odd…there isn’t a library anywhere near here.

She turned and saw Mira standing against the wall. “You’re here too!? Well then who’s AAAAAAAHHHHHHH!!!!!!!” Before Mira could respond three blurs impaled her on the end of a v-cart (http://www.industromart.com/800_V-CART+BOOKS_S.jpg), a look of horror twisted with pain on her face as her blood began to coat the Encyclopedia’s that were on the cart.

“It was them!” Mira chocked out before her head slummed to the side.

“It was who?” But Lari’s thoughts were discontinued when she felt something fall on her head. “The Dark is Rising?” She read the cover of the book before, more started falling. Hundreds of books came crashing down, covering her. All the Harry Potter books were aimed for her head it seemed, especially the fifth. “OWOWOWOWOWOW!” She screamed, her body became covered with all these children’s books. She realized she had to be in the PZ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Library_of_Congress_Classification#Class_P_-_Language_and_Literature) section of the library, on that everyone messed up on purpose. Covered with the likes of Grimm’s Fairy Tales, Little House on the Prairie, Charlotte’s Web, as well as the entire Percy Jackson series, she was glad that, while she felt horribly bruised and like her left arm was broken, that she wasn’t dead. And then the last book feel with amazing force and broke her neck. It was Breaking Dawn, and the book had finally killed someone.

Over looking their carnage the Were-Librarians smiled. They had to go back to the “party” but not before taking something to write with.

The hall had become slightly deserted since most people had run off to do other things. The Were-Librarians like it that way, they could work in private.

Autume looked up from her phone after awhile and saw the message written in blood on the wall. ‘We’re back for our revenge, sincerely, your Were-Librarians’ it read. She screamed and ran for someone for help.

Mac and Brinn stared at it, too horror struck to even move. Everyone came back into the room.

“What are we going to do? Where’s Lari and Mira-“ but Hakon’s question was cut off when Nerwen help up to polorids that were left under the message. They showed Mira and Lari’s deaths.

“Oh, this is not good,” Formendacil commented.

The Living:
Sally, Awkward Theater kid
Fea, Freshman comp professor/slave
Hakon, Something rather successful but keeps it to himself, like in high school
Boro, Nervous student teacher
Autume98, Computer geek who keeps to herself and no one really knows
Nerwen, Ex-cheerleader with a job that sounds horribly more glamorous than it is
Nessa Telrunya, Has a fascination with Fantasy
Wilwa, Stay at home mom of 9
Nienna, Artsy kid that couldn't be dragged out of the art room so she stayed there
Mac, Shy kid
Shasta, Rebel with nothing to rebel against but still looks cool
Formendacil, Eater of Kraft dinners while getting his Doctorate in Inane Uselessness
Alonariel, Nurse who never sleeps
Brinn, The goth kid everyone is afraid of

The Dead:
Lari, crushed by books~ Moddess
Mira, impaled by a v-cart~ Co-Moddess

Let the speculations begin! You may still do a few in-character stuff if you like. As always, narrations have no clues in them.

Boromir88

08-03-2009, 12:24 PM

Boro looked a bit ruffled, but he wasn't sure if that was from the snapshots of Mira and Lari, or trying to see how much french he remembered with sally.

"Are we sure this is real? Maybe...its l-l-ike a joke or something. Lari always had the best pranks. Alonariel, remember that time, on April Fools, when you actually came bursting in the boys bathroom, shouting Lari was hurt? She was in Miss Tolvers room, unconscious up against the wall, what looked like blood on the wall and everywhere? I was so frantic, frozen about what to do, and then came the feint 'April Fools!' The supposed blood, turning out to be ketchup, wiped on my white shirt. Ha she was quite the...um" Boro apparently lost his words again after momentarily being lost in a good memory "well I m-m-ean that was...much better...than my prank with cellotape and a red stapler. Definitely b-b-better"

Anyway...I'm on to you two. "Mira! Lari!You can come out now. " Boro tried to portray confidence and that he was right, and around the corner, would appear Mira and Lari. They would be looking disappointed as they had been figured out so quickly. "Any second now, right around that corner...you'll see. Yes...you'll s-see them. Lari we know...you're hiding and you can hear us...Mira! C-c-come out!"

alonariel

08-03-2009, 12:30 PM

Alona was horrified at the news of her best friend's and classmate's demise. Her first instinct was to find them and see if they were all right, if there was anything she could do...she'd assisted surgeons before on cases, maybe there was something she could do...

Boro's voice brought her from her thoughts, and she tried to smile at the hilarious memory of her and Lari's April Fool's plan years ago.

"The cafeteria lady wanted to help us get back at the boys for always getting thirds and fourths at lunch," Alona said, remembering how the woman had supplied the ketchup for their little prank.

But, looking at the faces around her, she doubted this was a prank...

Boromir88

08-03-2009, 12:32 PM

(P.S. and if we don't start getting more than 1.5 posts an hour I'm not going to be a happy camper, and that probably won't be good for anyone. Enough cold feet, let's get going.)

Edit: crossed with Alona, at least someone's here :cool:

satansaloser2005

08-03-2009, 03:22 PM

Sorry. Didn't mean to be gone so long but I had to fix my makeu-

Oh. My. You've gotta be kidding me.

*glances at Mira, gags*

Who would do that to someone? You know, it wouldn't surprise me if it was just another trick by her and La....*sees the picture of Lari, decides not to mention that the seventh Harry Potter is bigger than the fifth and would have been a better choice, clears throat*....Lari....

Okay, first of all, someone around here has the strangest sense of humor ever. That's a bit sick, people. Books should never be used to kill people.

Second of all, it couldn't have been Boro and I because....well, we were busy elsewhere. Now that I've come out of the closet....I mean, now that I'm back....I think I'll be able to help. Or at least give it a shot. I'm sure I can figure out who the killers are if I get into their heads, try to think like they would.

Best take a look at Nienna first; she's got even more 'paint on her shirt now. Odd....

Nienna

08-03-2009, 03:29 PM

Nienna wanders back toward the masses with a stack of watercolor drawings in hand. Everyone is standing around looking subdued. She looks around the crowd questioningly and Formendacil leans over and whispers what has happened.

Nienna is overcome with grief. She desperately wants to run back to the art room where she knows that it's safe and where she can let her emotion out but her classmates need her here.

She is contemplative for a moment or two and thinks the Twilight thing is oddly apropos.

She shakes it off and puts on a brave face while wandering over to Alona hoping that maybe she has a popsicle hidden somewhere that she will share.

wilwarin538

08-03-2009, 04:00 PM

Oh my my my, Wilwa thinks in a panic as she takes out her cell phone and calls her kids quickly, #3 answers the phone and she quickly says, "Tell all your brothers and sisters that I love them..." That's all she gets out before the phone goes dead and she forgot her charger at home.

With a sigh of distress she walks back to the group and tries to listen to the panicked talking that is going on.

"Perhaps Sally and Boro are actually in on this together? Maybe Mac isn't as shy as he's pretending to be? Brinn is kinda scary...."

wilwarin538

08-03-2009, 04:38 PM

note: since the deadline for me is 1 o'clock in the morning, I'll have to vote within the next 3 hours. I'll be here on and off within that time, if there still isn't anything really to go on then I will choose someone and try to be logical in my choice and vote then. :)

Feanor of the Peredhil

08-03-2009, 04:43 PM

Fea, not entirely sure why she's still thinking in third person, stumbles into focus. (Worst. First. Day. Of. Work. Ever.)

Maybe I'll post for realsies later. For now, I'm taking some Advil and waiting for Kelly to feed me.

Please don't kill me. I'm too exhausted to care, and it would be really, really horrible to die on Day One two games in a row.

satansaloser2005

08-03-2009, 04:46 PM

+Fea

Only actors are allowed to think in third person.

(Note to the moddesses: Please to be noting that there's only one plus sign, so it doesn't count. Just making sure you didn't count that, because I'd feel awful.)

Boromir88

08-03-2009, 04:55 PM

"Perhaps Sally and Boro are actually in on this together? Maybe Mac isn't as shy as he's pretending to be? Brinn is kinda scary...."
Perhaps you're not the sweet graceful wilwa I remember? Having 9 kids can certainly change someone's demeanor...it would mine...It's ok if it was just an accident, wilwa. I would testify for you, temporary insanity driven by the stress of raising 9 rambunctious children.

Please don't kill me. I'm too exhausted to care, and it would be really, really horrible to die on Day One two games in a row.
You don't want to try to go for my record of 3 straight Day 1's and 4 of 5? I consider that string one of my greatest accomplishments. :D

autume98

08-03-2009, 05:11 PM

I look at the bodies in horror. How could someone do such a thing? I mean watching CSI is one thing, but to see this for real! :eek:

I've never been one to go for pain or death. I remember taking a trip to the morgue and nearly passing out, and that was with no body! I look at the bodies and remember to breath in and out, in and out. I lean against the wall to hold me up. After all I'm a geek, and I don't need to be passing out in front of everybody. I don't mind getting attention for my car, but passing out is a whole other story.

Boromir88

08-03-2009, 05:28 PM

I just realized Mac was one of the guests, this is most unusual. So...

++Macalaure

wilwarin538

08-03-2009, 05:42 PM

Perhaps you're not the sweet graceful wilwa I remember? Having 9 kids can certainly change someone's demeanor...it would mine...It's ok if it was just an accident, wilwa. I would testify for you, temporary insanity driven by the stress of raising 9 rambunctious children.

They're actually perfect little angels thank you very much (especially #7), they cause me no stress what so ever. So there. :p

Wow, still not too much happening then.

I'm gonna wait another hour, by then I may be tempted to make some random suspicion list based on what's been said today. Though it will be stretching to find anything really incriminating.....

autume98

08-03-2009, 05:44 PM

I begin to finally calm down. My nerves are still pretty frayed, but at least I'm not about ready to pass out. As I begin to come back to my senses I realize we should probably call the police. However I'm not sure if someone has already done this yet or not. Since I don't see any EMTs around, I pull out my phone only to realize that there is no signal.

"Great! No signal! How am I supposed to call to the outside world without a signal?" I mutter angrily to myself. :mad:

Edit: x-ed with Wilwa

Shastanis Althreduin

08-03-2009, 06:08 PM

Shasta grimaced.

I can't decide which was worse... that Lari was killed by a copy of Breaking Dawn or that Mira was "impaled" on a cart that's as wide as she is.

"I used to love this section of the library," he remarked, leaving the P-Z section behind and heading up to the front desk.

"Were-Librarians.... I vaguely remember them. Some kind of cult that developed back in the library storeroom, right?"

Boromir88

08-03-2009, 06:09 PM

They're actually perfect little angels thank you very much (especially #7), they cause me no stress what so ever. So there.

Oh please tell me you're not one of those moms. :p That may even be worse than losing your sanity to a host of younglings. I'm not going to be seeing you in my office next year, tearing my head off after I give "#7" a detention for shooting spitballs all over the classroom, you telling me how xe's such a perfect angel at home, and it must just be my teaching? If you are I will put your name down now on a list of parents to avoid. :p

I need to find those jello shots, wherever she ran off with them, I'll return with random observations about a few people. I will take care of one now though:

I'm gonna wait another hour, by then I may be tempted to make some random suspicion list based on what's been said today. Though it will be stretching to find anything really incriminating.....~also by wilwa
That's bought you a no-vote from me on Day 1...that is as long as it gets a "C" from me. :p

Edit: crossed with Shasta

Nienna

08-03-2009, 06:09 PM

Ok... so as much as I don't really thing Day One's have much to go on and are mostly arbitrary I have come up with this list.

Sally: Love her though I do, there is something about her posts so far that have made me wary... maybe it's just that she has been a wolf in the past few games we have played together...
Fea: Won't vote for purely for self-preservation
Hakon: Hasn't posted yet.
Boro: Asked for a lot of speculation and then voted Mac just because he hasn't posted yet.
Autume98: Posted mostly in character and nothing really for me to suspect (as much as day one can have speculations)
Nerwen: Her one post seems rather fine
Nessa: Same as Nerwen
Wilwa: Mostly talks about her children, calls them by number rather than name, random speculation about a few people... do with that information what you will.
Mac: Hasn't posted
Shasta: Speculates about the WereLibrarians
Formendacil: Hasn't posted (RL things??)
Alonariel: Posted a few times, gets the Newbie pass
Brinn: See Formy

alonariel

08-03-2009, 06:25 PM

Just returned from a six hour shift with the kiddies. Can't...see...straight...

At least I know I get the Newbie pass from one person, thank you Nienna! *gives cherry popsicle*

As for speculation...Sally seemed to literally be on the prowl for Boro until Lari walked in on them. Wilwa's love for her kids could be masking something else possibly...? I'm not sure - still so new at this.

wilwarin538

08-03-2009, 06:55 PM

Ok. So a list, and I have just included those who have actually posted today:

Boro: no really, they are angels (7 is a girl), if they ever do throw spitballs in your class though I won't interfere with the punishing....but it won't happen, haha. Seriously though, no bad vibes from him.

Alonariel: Newbie pass today

Sally: talks about Boro....alot. :p She always confuses me, it's a general rule.

Shasta: kinda hurt that he "pointedly ignored" me, but otherwise I'm not pushed in either directions for him

Nerwen: nothing weird in her single post

Nienna: made a list! Good girl!

Nessa: haven't played with her before, so I'm wanting to keep her around for at least today......and her name is my RL name, so I like her :D

Fea: had a bad first day at work and therefore don't want to make it worse for the poor dear, so will leave her be for today....though she seems fine anyways

Autume: see Nessa just cut out the last part :p

So.....this has gotten me no where. Really nothing much to go on, so I'm at a loss for the moment. Only have about another half hour before I fall asleep, so I'll just be hanging around until then. And then I shall vote...for whom, I don't know....

edit: fixed Autume to a girl, sorry!!!!!

Shastanis Althreduin

08-03-2009, 07:07 PM

Isn't autume a girl?

List of all you lovely, lovely people forthwith.

satansaloser2005

08-03-2009, 07:10 PM

Well it looks like Wilwa is heading back to her room early. Can hardly blame her; I was once in a play where I had six young kids and in between scenes they'd drive me insane. Maybe tomorrow I'll teach her some relaxation exercises that I picked up a couple years ago. Can't hurt.

I don't know if it's the memories of her annoying cheers or the way she looked at me when she heard I was leaving here to cacth a plane for my next gig on Broadway, but I've got a bad feeling about Nerwen.

Hmmmm. I think I need something to drink and a while to collect my thoughts. If anyone needs me I'll be in my room for a couple hours.

EDIT: x'd with Wilwa. PS, Tum is a girl. Just sayin'.

EDIT 2: Whoops, also x'd with Shasta

Shastanis Althreduin

08-03-2009, 07:30 PM

Boro - Just banter so far, really. Odd vote for Mac, though.

Alonariel - Nothing alarming, plus newbie equals pass today.

Sally - Immeditately tries to clear herself and Boro... one to watch.

Nerwen - Only one post so far? Granted she's normally online pretty late, my time, but still...

Nienna - Quiet, as per usual with her. No alarms.

Nessa - Quiet, but not abnormally so.

Fea - One IC post, one "I'm sick" post. Gets a pass today.

Autume - Seems delightfully vengeful in her first post. In character, yes, but... I don't know.

Wilwa - Talks about her kids a lot, possibly hiding behind IC but I doubt it.

wilwarin538

08-03-2009, 07:39 PM

Autume has now been tranformed into a girl in my above post, my apologies for that little mix up, never played with her before so I guessed....anyway, yeah, sorry about that...

So I am exhausted from all of todays events (in RL and in the game). Therefore I shall vote.

For whom? Not really sure....I'm honestly good with everyone, mainly cause there hasn't been a heck of a lot from everyone.

So actually, I'm thinking I shall refrain from voting, since I'm not comfortable voting for anyone who has spoken, and I dislike voting for silent types on Day 1....maybe if the deadline wasn't so late I'd end up with more to go on, but for now I don't so this is where I'll leave it.

Good luck to you all today!

X'posted with Shasta

Macalaure

08-03-2009, 07:41 PM

I fear the shy kid has been more silent than he intended to (busy day :( ).

Boro, everything's alright with you? :rolleyes: ;)

I see a few awfully early lists there, hmm... need a closer at those: it's an easy way to appear useful while not being useful (I mean, yes, lists are nice to sum up thoughts and such, but how much actual content can there be in them after so little posting so far?), but it's also a genuine opportunity for a librarian to stumble early by trying to hard to appear useful.

Feanor of the Peredhil

08-03-2009, 07:49 PM

Nienna: runs off to make art whenever the opportunity arises. That should always be rewarded, not disciplined.

Sally: is a sweet girl and might stop helping me procrastinate on my massive amounts of school work (it never ends, even after multiple diplomas) if I kill her.

Hakon: has done nothing to cause me to notice him. He is a him, right?

Boro: should probably be killed just in case.

Autume98: gets a newbie pass from me due to the fact that the only other game we were both in, I died too early to give anybody anything.

Nerwen: concerns me greatly at all times because I can't read her at all. Not even a little. Ever.

Nessa: is strapped to the belly of Rudolph, as far as my attention goes. I hope she does something noticeable...

Wilwa: is contributing to global warming by way of babymaking. Kill her!!! (;))

Mac: Bubbles?

Shasta: *shrug*

Formendacil: is online, of this I am certain. But has he posted?

Alonariel: n00b. With excellent taste in a great number of things, such as popsicles.

Brinn: is a sneak when she's a sneak, and is of help when she's of help, and I could kill her or not and it would barely cause me to shrug.

Who shall I vote for on this lovely, useless Day 1?

satansaloser2005

08-03-2009, 07:52 PM

Has Brinn posted, by the way? I don't remember anything but....well, you know me....:rolleyes:

ETA: Duh, my mistake. Brinn's gone. Forgot, sorry.

Boromir88

08-03-2009, 07:53 PM

Question time...asking questions is a super educational strategy...yes I believe that was Rule uh 43...no #29, in Chapter 3 Asking powerful questions

Hakon: where are you?

Sally: Would you tirelessly tread through the fire swamp for me?

Fea: Has Nienna's cooking made you feel better?

Nienna: Did you poison Fea's rations?

wilwa: what was that move? Haven't you been one to vote randomly with little before, why shy away now?

*looks up at the ceiling and shouts this one*Lari: Would you like me to find those who did this and avenge you?

And now to answer one:
Boro, everything's alright with you?~Mac
Honestly no, I'm quite peeved by the # of posts. Of course some was expected, I never expected the goth girl to want to help...no offense to her, but well I don't think anyone will be looking for it either. It's picking up now, which is putting me in a bit better mood, but time's ticking and still not much to show.

Edit: crossed with Fea and sally

Feanor of the Peredhil

08-03-2009, 07:58 PM

Fea: Has Nienna's cooking made you feel better?

Yes, though quitting the really terrible job and then finally ordering the Macbook I've been coveting for several years (and a long shower and painkillers) helped at least as much as dinner. Thank you for asking...

I think I'm going to vote for

++Nerwen

so that I can go to bed, but with it stated quite clearly that I'm only voting for Nerwen because I've got nobody better to vote for, and I refuse to invent suspicions to justify any vote. Think of it almost as a compliment, Nerwen: when at a loss for people to worry about, I respect you enough to start harboring concerns just to feel better.

autume98

08-03-2009, 07:59 PM

edit: fixed Autume to a girl, sorry!!!!!

It's alright Wilwa. I'll forgive ya! ;)

Sally - hasn't done anything to make me suspicious of her. Pretty much has a thing for Boro.
Fea - has won my sympathy for today.
Hakon - hasn't posted
Boro - apparently has a thing for Sally as well. Although he was eying Lari earlier. However Lari is now dead.
Nerwen - nothing that stands out
Nessa - same as Nerwen
Wilwa - put me in the male category at some point :p however it's probably all the confusion from dealing with all 9 of her kids.
Nienna - was in the art room most of the day
Shasta - nothing that stands out
Formendacil - hasn't posted
Alonariel - newbie so gets free pass
Brinn - hasn't posted

Edit: x-ed with post #42 to this one

satansaloser2005

08-03-2009, 08:07 PM

Okay, this whole thing is giving me a headache. Going back to my room to read some Shakespeare and maybe listen to my soundtrack for Wicked, if I remembered to bring it along. (I'll play Elphaba yet, just you wait....)

Just in case I don't come back down before Nightfall I'm going to do this now.

++Nerwen

Sadly, the best I can do Day One, because I've got no other feelings other than bad vibes and she's the only one I really have at the moment.

EDIT: x'd with Fea and Tum. Oh, and Boro? I'd brave the Zoo of Death for you. ;)

Boromir88

08-03-2009, 08:15 PM

Before I forget/pass out somewhere.

--Macalaure

Someone grants me retractables, gotta use 'em. They've helped me before, although Mac knows me well enough to probably not get rattled over that. Probably should have used it on someone different this time. Oh well.

I doubt I can keep my eyes open until the DL today, staying up in wee hours of the morning and then getting up a few hours later to catch SVU marathons is not the best thing for you...so anyone paying attention, try and get 8 hours of sleep a day (I'm being completely hypocritical with that statement however).

Yes, though quitting the really terrible job and then finally ordering the Macbook I've been coveting for several years (and a long shower and painkillers) helped at least as much as dinner. Thank you for asking...~Fea
I was going to advocate the village to do something to you the following day if I was killed at night, since you are always out for my blood. However, because of the thank you I won't. :D

Let me be clear though, it's not out of sympathy or charity because of a hard day, I'm torn about you right now, I doubt that will change much, but I respect you as a player and your passion is intoxicating. It spreads like a disease I actually desire to catch along with you, don't lose that spirit because of a hard day. ;)

Edit: crossed with sally.

Macalaure

08-03-2009, 08:17 PM

List of listmakers:

Nienna mostly summarises and when she does give an opinion, it tends to be slightly sneaky: she's wary of Sally, but quickly adds that she's been a wolf in the games the two played together recently; doesn't give an opinion of Boro, who pretty much asked people to have an opinion of him; autume did nothing for her to suspect, followed by a strange "as much as day one can have speculations" (you could add that line to almost everyone - why is it there?); adds a rhetoric "do with that information what you will" to her line about wilwa.

Wilwa's list is more straightforward and also makes more sense since she says she is voting soon. Admits that there is little to learn from it. It also speaks in her favour, I think, that she left out the non-posters.

Shasta also leaves out the non-posters and his observations are genuine to me.

And now Fea is doing it, too! :eek: She wants to kill Boro, of which I approve. Mostly joking, so there's no attempt to appear useful. ;)

And Boro seems to be infected by the bug, too!

Autume is a newbie, right? In that case she shall be forgiven, since maybe she just did as the others did. Not much can be learned from her list, either, I'm afraid.

Also, could someone explain what exactly the fuel for the recent Nerwen-waggon is made of?

Shastanis Althreduin

08-03-2009, 08:37 PM

As far as I can tell, there is none, and it bugs me. Mostly because Nerwen thinks I'm hot (;)) but still. Fea's vote seems okay to me; Sally's is the one I'm very suspicious of.

Formendacil

08-03-2009, 08:44 PM

Formendacil: is online, of this I am certain. But has he posted?

Fea, Fea--that's just mean! Using the Internet against me, and before I've even had a chance to shower after a weekend-long camping trip! And while reading up on (an admittedly shortish) Day 1 at that! For shame!

I shall not, however, hold it against you... since it's my own fault I'm not, probably, invisible yet...

I shall go see to that...

Boromir88

08-03-2009, 08:48 PM

Mac looks good, besides the fact that he advocates killing me. I like his analysis of the listers. Plus his observation about the Nerwen votes, that seems an odd choice...Nerwen?

I don't know if I'd make too much out of it, the votes coming from Fea and sally. Nerwen might have just drawn the short straw. That's why I don't like lists, because sometimes if I go through everyone and still have no clues about anyone the last person I think of gets the short straw. Which is why I prefer just to poke around and see people's behavior.

But I must point out the mistake Mac. I didn't make a list, don't like lists, so don't throw me in with the list-makers, find another category to put me in if you want to kill me. ;)

Edit: crossed with Form.

Hakon

08-03-2009, 08:51 PM

From what I can see Sally is the most suspicious. Back in High School she was obsessed with Boro and if I recall correctly Lari is the reason that they broke up. Now Lari is dead.

Boromir88

08-03-2009, 09:07 PM

Before I vote, hopefully Mac you won't mind answering this...why does leaving out the non-posters speak to a list-makers favour? Don't get it.

I do promise not to give you the Inziladun treatment...and that is ask you a question, than immediately vote for you (again) before getting an answer. :p

Formendacil

08-03-2009, 09:17 PM

Before I vote, hopefully Mac you won't mind answering this...why does leaving out the non-posters speak to a list-makers favour? Don't get it.

Not to pre-empt Mac's ability to answer the query, which was his to answer, after all, but speaking from my own Day 1 position (which everyone will remember, if they played "back in high school," is based on the fundamental assertion that Day 1 is useless until after the fact), what Mac says makes sense.

On Day 1 there is no trend to anyone's silence, for the very reason that there's no trend to anything. Lists are useless enough to begin with on Day 1 (a point brought up by Mac which I must appreciate... even though he goes on to list the list-makers. However, if one is to go so far as to list people, it makes no sense to list the silent ones toDay, since there's more nothing to list about them than about the people who HAVE been talking.

I need a shower and I fear I'm getting my sister's cold from camping, but I'm here, and, I must confess, I'm still not seeing anything in Day 1 to point to criminal guilt other than the wildest of readings-into.

alonariel

08-03-2009, 09:22 PM

I somewhat agree with Hakon about Sally being suspicious. She made more than one unkind comment about Lari (while she was still living - RIP) but then that might be too obvious to take your revenge where there are a dozen witnesses who know about your past history. She might also seem the most suspicious because she's been one of the most vocal so far, while others have remained relatively quiet thus far.

Nerwen didn't seem sneaky, just subtle. Although she did liken Lari's dress to that of a porn star's. But it is only the first Day, so we'll see...

Feel better, Fea. I'll send you a fresh batch of popsicles in the morning.

X'd with: Hakon, Fea and Mac.

Macalaure

08-03-2009, 09:27 PM

But I must point out the mistake Mac. I didn't make a list, don't like lists, so don't throw me in with the list-makers, find another category to put me in if you want to kill me. ;)
#46 looks suspiciously listy. ;)

Before I vote, hopefully Mac you won't mind answering this...why does leaving out the non-posters speak to a list-makers favour? Don't get it.
Well, it's not like there's much else going on, so why not.

Listing them all is not necessarily a sign of evil. When I make lists, for example, I usually copy the living player list so I don't forget anyone. Leaving them out, however, looks innocent to me, since it looks more like an honest attempt to make sense of what we really get to see, and also since I don't see a reason why a wolf would do it: a "hasn't posted" next to an innocent name always inevitably makes the person look a tad worse, and wolves usually don't skip fellows in lists, because they might be afraid of the questions it raises once said fellow is dead.

Lists are useless enough to begin with on Day 1I wouldn't subscribe to that, but so many lists after so little to talk about... naah, come on.

Boromir88

08-03-2009, 09:36 PM

Autume is a newbie, right? In that case she shall be forgiven, since maybe she just did as the others did. Not much can be learned from her list, either, I'm afraid.~Mac
Negative and I don't think you nor Fea should be overlooking anyone based on new status or not. Autume was in last game, I can't say much about her, because I was killed night 1, but I have a suspicion she should not be overlooked. A lot of commentary mixed in with a couple jokes, which means...

++autume98

And...

X'd with: Hakon, Fea and Mac.~Alonariel

I would like to point out, while sometimes I cross-change, I do not cross-change and take on Fea's persona. But for that mistake...I <3 you.

Edit: crossed with Mac

alonariel

08-03-2009, 09:41 PM

I would like to point out, while sometimes I cross-change, I do not cross-change and take on Fea's persona. But for that mistake...I <3 you.

*confuzzled* Boro, how did I take on her persona...? But thank you for the love :)

X'd with: Boro

Nienna

08-03-2009, 09:42 PM

The pull of sleep is calling me.

A few things before I go

1. Mac on Lists: I think he makes a really good point about the listers (if they are wolves) not wanting to leave out a fellow wolf. On the other hand it is something a really sneaky wolf might do. It gives a lot of deniability later when they can be like "I didn't even think to put them on my first list." Just a thought

2.

++Sally

She seems (out of everyone) the most wolf-like to me. She mentioned books a few times and even some better books to kill with.

3. Goodnight.

Hakon

08-03-2009, 09:47 PM

She made more than one unkind comment about Lari (while she was still living - RIP) but then that might be too obvious to take your revenge where there are a dozen witnesses who know about your past history.

That is most likely what she wants you to think. She thinks we will all assume it is her then brush her off cause we will all think that she would be too stupid to do it with so many witnesses knowing her past. I think it was Sally.

++Sally

Nerwen

08-03-2009, 09:49 PM

Nerwen - Only one post so far? Granted she's normally online pretty late, my time, but still...

Well, sweetheart, I tried to start up a conversation, but no one would talk to me... :(

Sally - Immeditately tries to clear herself and Boro... one to watch.

I've only just been able to get online and read through the more recent posts. Sally's were making me quite uneasy, even before I got to the part where she votes me for "bad vibes" (based on my one bantering post). Looks very opportunistic to me, when I already had a random vote from Fea.

EDIT: X'd with Nienna and Hakon.

Boromir88

08-03-2009, 09:50 PM

*confuzzled* Boro, how did I take on her persona...? But thank you for the love :)

X'd with: Boro

See you said you X'ed with Fea, when really you x'ed with me. And while I do cross-dress on rare occasions (like when I lose bets (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qdEb-6D8e1s)), Fea is not one of the people.

Edit: crossed with many, looks like a lot of action...argh why now!? Why not when we were getting 1.5 posts an hour?

Macalaure

08-03-2009, 09:55 PM

I think he makes a really good point about the listers (if they are wolves) not wanting to leave out a fellow wolf. On the other hand it is something a really sneaky wolf might do.

This comment doesn't make me less suspicious at all. If my point was not just good, but really good, then why the "on the other hand"? Doesn't fit together. Also, why comment on my comment on lists in general, and not on my comment about her list in particular?

I don't like the Sally-waggon one bit more than the Nerwen-waggon, therefore, even though I intended to wait with the vote:

++Nienna

Nerwen

08-03-2009, 09:56 PM

Although she did liken Lari's dress to that of a porn star's. But it is only the first Day, so we'll see...

Nerwen furrowed her brow. "Her dress? Didn't she say she was the president of the Amber Lynn Society?"

Formendacil

08-03-2009, 09:57 PM

Hakon's tag-along vote for Sally, coming right after Nienna's for the same, looks opportunist in the same way Boro thinks Sally's tag-along vote for Nerwen appears that way. Of the two, I'm inclined to chasten Sally more for this, both because it's earlier and I've come to expect more originality from her--Hakon is still an unknown to me, so I can't comment. Of course, it is still Day 1... but that's a card even I shouldn't overplay.

Formendacil

08-03-2009, 10:03 PM

This comment doesn't make me less suspicious at all. If my point was not just good, but really good, then why the "on the other hand"? Doesn't fit together. Also, why comment on my comment on lists in general, and not on my comment about her list in particular?

I don't like the Sally-waggon one bit more than the Nerwen-waggon, therefore, even though I intended to wait with the vote:

++Nienna

Now... I've sat out a lot of these games since I was a carefree pre-university student, and I've not read most of the ones I've missed, so there's a lot of WW-culture current that I'm not up with--but one thing I have picked up on is that Nienna has something of an unreasonable penchant for being unreasonably lynched on Days 1. Which means that, coupled with Mac's almost immediate reply to Nienna's post--a Day-ending post, suggesting she won't be back before the end of the Day to defend herself--I am really not liking Mac's quoted post. It's a little too easy. He sees a couple bandwaggons, says he doesn't like them, and then expresses this by starting--potentially--one of the easiest Day 1 bandwaggons there is?

I'd rather vote for a Sally-- or Nerwen--waggon at this point, than jump on that.

Nerwen

08-03-2009, 10:04 PM

I see now that Sally's vote X'd with Fea's, so it's not as bad as I thought. I still don't like it, though. But Nienna and Hakon's reasons for voting her are pretty weak too, even for Day One.

EDIT:X'd since my last post.

Boromir88

08-03-2009, 10:04 PM

You lot need to think more clearly...getting me riled up like this, this early...:rolleyes:

Hakon's tag-along vote for Sally, coming right after Nienna's for the same, looks opportunist in the same way Boro thinks Sally's tag-along vote for Nerwen appears that way~Form
I do not think any such thing, and you (meaning everyone left to vote!) should go back and clear your head, before in a spurt of emotions voting in a sally-wagon. That's all.

autume98

08-03-2009, 10:17 PM

Not a lot to go on. I'm not so sure about the Sally-wagon or the Nerwen-wagon. However I'm not really sure about who to vote for at this time either. :confused:

Formendacil

08-03-2009, 10:22 PM

I do not think any such thing, and you (meaning everyone left to vote!) should go back and clear your head, before in a spurt of emotions voting in a sally-wagon. That's all.

Oh dear--my abject apologies on that matter. I can't seem to find a post by you to that effect at all... nor can I seem to find it by anyone else, though I have yet just enough faith in my earlier self to assume I wasn't making it up. This is a trifle embarrassing, but as I've had rather a heady weekend, I hope it won't prove trend-setting.

Bother...

*goes to see if he can find whatever post he attributed to Boro*

Formendacil

08-03-2009, 10:25 PM

I've only just been able to get online and read through the more recent posts. Sally's were making me quite uneasy, even before I got to the part where she votes me for "bad vibes" (based on my one bantering post). Looks very opportunistic to me, when I already had a random vote from Fea.

EDIT: X'd with Nienna and Hakon.

Apparently this is the post... I can only assume, scrolling down below the composition box of that post, that I failed to line up usernames with post properly, because I'm quite sure I've no mental conflation of Nerwen with Boromir--not even one of those similar avatar ones, given that they really don't look anything alike.

Bother it all... I'm tired and making a fool of myself and have a cough now... and I suppose I need to vote for someone...

Nerwen

08-03-2009, 10:26 PM

Just a note: I will be here until the deadline, and will of course simply vote to save myself if need be. I'd prefer not to have to, though.

As for the votes on me: they're both coming from people (Sally and Fea) who have played with me often, know me as a good player and also know that I have a history of defaulting on the Day One vote (i.e. an easy lynch). I do find that rather suggestive.

EDIT:X'd since Boro.
EDIT2:word left out.

Brinniel

08-03-2009, 10:33 PM

I'm here, I'm here. And a bit behind, I must say. I've hardly had time to catch up. I have no idea who to lynch so it's best I make a list...

Who I like:

Who I hate:
Sally
Fea
Hakon
Boro
Autume
Nerwen
Nessa Telrunya
Wilwa
Nienna
Mac
Shasta
Formendacil
Alonariel

In summary, I hate everyone. But unfortunately that won't help me come to a decision. :rolleyes:

Give me a few more minutes to decide who I hate more. Be afraid...be very afraid. :smokin:

Brinniel

08-03-2009, 10:33 PM

Btw, does anyone have a vote tally?

Brinniel

08-03-2009, 10:39 PM

Why so quiet? Did I scare everyone away? :Merisu:

Nerwen

08-03-2009, 10:40 PM

Btw, does anyone have a vote tally?

Fea --> Nerwen.
Sally --> Nerwen (Nerwen 2).
Boro --> autume98. (retracted previous vote for Mac.)
Nienna --> Sally.
Hakon -->Sally (Sally 2)
Mac --> Nienna.

satansaloser2005

08-03-2009, 10:42 PM

*stumbles back in*

Did anyone miss me? Sorry I was gone so long, but I had a fantastic nap. Had the most interesting dream though; I'll have to share it with you toMorrow if I'm still around.

In other news....

Now as you'll all remember I love the attention (who wouldn't?!) but Hakon's vote seems completely....just wrong. Forgetting momentarily that the vote was for me, you'll notice that he only has two posts. In the first he makes a joke about me, then in the second he hops onto Nienna's vote without further discussion. It seems horribly shifty to me. I suppose he is new, but it still creeps me out. A lot.

Back in a moment with a vote count for Brinn if I haven't x'd with one already.

ETA: x'd with helpful Nerwen.

Formendacil

08-03-2009, 10:48 PM

I was really quite hoping for someone to slip and declare their wolvery, or maybe for the wisdom of Solomon to cleave someone's fact from their fiction, or barring all that, maybe a good, old-fashioned, divine revelation...

But no. I'm getting steadily sicker and more confuséd.

Nerwen's protests have me chivalrously afraid to vote her. Sally's bandwaggon is admittedly weak--I agree full about her point re: Hakon, and I've already said I don't get Mac's Nienna vote.

Where does this leave me?

I dunno... the only real discord clear to me is Hakon's vote, which could be newblerie as easier as wolvery.

But you work with what you've got...

++ Hakon

Boromir88

08-03-2009, 10:48 PM

There's over half that need to vote with under 15 minutes, I suggest unless you want complete chaos lots of you should be getting out your votes now. Really expect some blast of enlightenment the last 15 minutes?

The only one with a reasonable excuse to not vote yet is Nerwen.

Edit: crossed with Form...good man.

Shastanis Althreduin

08-03-2009, 10:49 PM

I've noticed that Hakon's reasoning today has been near-completely (if not absolutely completely) IC-related. Now, for first-day suspicions, I suppose that's not a horrible sin, but to base a vote off them... especially when there's already been a vote for them, that just seems fishy to me.

Edit: X'ed with Form and Boro.

autume98

08-03-2009, 10:51 PM

I think he makes a really good point about the listers (if they are wolves) not wanting to leave out a fellow wolf. On the other hand it is something a really sneaky wolf might do.

Not sure that I exactly feel comfortable with Nienna right now. Then I don't know her that well along with everyone else so I feel just about like Brinn.

I have no idea who to lynch so it's best I make a list...

Who I like:

Who I hate:
Sally
Fea
Hakon
Boro
Autume
Nerwen
Nessa Telrunya
Wilwa
Nienna
Mac
Shasta
Formendacil
Alonariel

Edit: x-ed wiith Formendacil, Boro, and Shasta

Nerwen

08-03-2009, 10:52 PM

Hakon's vote seems completely....just wrong. Forgetting momentarily that the vote was for me, you'll notice that he only has two posts. In the first he makes a joke about me, then in the second he hops onto Nienna's vote without further discussion. It seems horribly shifty to me. I suppose he is new, but it still creeps me out. A lot.

Not the most well-thought-out vote I've ever seen, but it looks to me more like inappropriate use of role-playing from a newbie. (Really, we ought to have sticky thread of "hints for newbies".)

EDIT:X'd since Sally.

Shastanis Althreduin

08-03-2009, 10:52 PM

Well. I may very well vote for Hakon tomorrow, but every other newbie I've seen join our Werewolfing madness has gotten one free day at least, and I don't think he should be an exception.

This leaves me without a clear vote, though... I'm leaning Sally just for suspicion and her vote, though.

Edit: X'ed with autume and Nerwen.

satansaloser2005

08-03-2009, 10:54 PM

By the way, to reality for a moment. I'm not sure (obviously) that Nerwen's guilty, but as I mentioned earlier I had a feeling about her, which is obviously why I voted for her, not the silliness of her not being able to cheer properly.

I also was getting really....for lack of a better word weird vibes from Nienna, which is why both times I mentioned her in my silly little lists I said I hoped it was just paint on her shirt or whatever. I don't want to vote her to save myself because it could turn out poorly, but at the same time I know what I am but I'm not aware of hers. I think I'll not change though, unless I feel strongly one way or the other in the next six minutes, because if I feel she's innocent I think she's good to have around. Does that make sense at all, or am I going a bit mad? (Again....:p)

Blah, sorry, I'm still not fully awake, hence the huge indecision. Welcome to my thought process. :rolleyes: And Hakon still bugs me. Can someone tell me:is it just me being a bit vengeful, or is he actually suspicious for that vote?

EDIT: x'd since....erm, since my last I believe.

autume98

08-03-2009, 10:56 PM

(Really, we ought to have sticky thread of "hints for newbies".)

Oh yes the newbies would all rejoice! :smokin: Still lots of learning I've got.

I'm going to go with my suspicion and vote.

++Nienna

Edit: x-ed with Sally

Shastanis Althreduin

08-03-2009, 10:57 PM

Boro - Mac (Mac1)
Fea - Nerwen (Mac1, Nerwen1)
Sally - Nerwen (Mac1, Nerwen2)
Boro - --Mac, ++autume (Nerwen2, autume1)
Nienna - Sally (Nerwen2, autume1, Sally1)
Hakon - Sally (Nerwen2, autume1, Sally2)
Mac - Nienna (Nerwen2, autume1, Sally2, Nienna1)
Form - Hakon (Nerwen2, autume1, Sally2, Nienna1, Hakon1)
autume - Nienna (Nerwen2, autume1, Sally2, Nienna2, Hakon1)

The votes as of now. And sally's last post looks an awful lot to me like lynch-shopping (understandable, I suppose, given her situation, but still.)

Edit: X'ed with autume and added her vote. I am NOT allowing this to be yet ANOTHER three-way tie.

Brinniel

08-03-2009, 10:57 PM

Alright, I've come to the best decision that I can in less than a half hour.

++Nienna

It's actually not random; I do have a reason (surprise!). Taking a look at her posts, particularly her vote post, she makes me uneasy. It's something about her word choices; they seem carefully placed and her behaviour just reminds me of wolves from the past.

Oh sure, I'll probably get Night-killed for being so quiet toDay. And if not, you all will suspect me for saying so. Meh. I don't care what you all do. I'm going back to my corner to brood in my own thoughts. So keep away. :p

EDIT: X-ed from the top of this page

Nerwen

08-03-2009, 10:58 PM

Well, I can't leave it any later.

++Sally.

She actually still is the person I find most suspicious.

EDIT:X'd since Sally.

Boromir88

08-03-2009, 10:59 PM

Shasta, think before making a not-so-golden vote

alonariel

08-03-2009, 10:59 PM

Nerwen, Lari was a part of the Anne Boleyn society, not Anna Lynn...

Boro, thank you for explaining! I'll try not to make that mistake again :)

++Mac

Shastanis Althreduin

08-03-2009, 10:59 PM

Must vote, and I'm going with my suspicion.

++Sally

Edit: X'ed with Brinn, Nerwen, Boro, and Alonariel.

satansaloser2005

08-03-2009, 10:59 PM

Looked back at Nienna's posts to get a better idea about her. I'm not sure she's innocent, but I'm even less sure she's guilty. By which I mean I think I'll leave her alone. If I die at least I can be sure the village doesn't lose the ranger or something, because that would be devastating. I'll sit and wait like a good girl. ;)

satansaloser2005

08-03-2009, 11:00 PM

Oh now that's just rude.

satansaloser2005

08-03-2009, 11:00 PM

I hate my life.

++Nienna

Lariren Shadow

08-03-2009, 11:01 PM

Day has ended! I shall count votes now.

satansaloser2005

08-03-2009, 11:02 PM

Hate it hate it HATE IT! Boro, darling, I'll miss you if I'm gone. Nienna, either way, you really were a nice girl, even if that red paint on your collar is a bit too dark. Hope I'm not wrong.

*retreats back into her happy place*

Must vote, and I'm going with my suspicion.

++Sally

Et tu, Brute? :(

EDIT: x'd with the moddess because I messed up the quote so it took a bit longer than I expected.

Lariren Shadow

08-03-2009, 11:08 PM

It is a tie.

Moddess is picking the numbers now....

Lariren Shadow

08-03-2009, 11:12 PM

And Sally is dead.

She was a Were-Librarian.

Narration shall be up sometime tomorrow.

Lariren Shadow

08-04-2009, 04:01 PM

As everyone recovered from the shock of the very public deaths of two of their members, a cry was heard for justice!

“I don’t like the way Nienna looks,” Boosted Mac. Others quickly follow his lead.

“But I was just in the art room! I haven’t done anything! Sally looks a lot worse than I do!” Nienna retorts, trying to save herself.

“What about Nerwen?” Fea pointed out.

“Nienna looks a lot more innocent than Sally, but neither seems to have a lot against them,” Form pointed out.

“I cast my vote for Nerwen, I mean Nienna!” Sally shouted, trying to confuse everyone.

Wilwa remained silent; she didn’t feel right in voting for anyone, nothing was certain. Nessa seemed to have disappeared as well.

As things were heating up, Shasta delivered the final vote of “Sally!”

She spun around to everyone, glaring. “I’ve done nothing! All I’ve done was get caught in the closet with Boro! Nothing sneaky at all and you all would just be QUIET-“

“That voice,” Alona said. “I remember it. She’s one of the Were-Librarians!”

“Well, this disguises isn’t necessary anymore. Boro, thanks for the fun time.” And with that Sally snapped her fingers and her true identity was revealed, in her hand was a scanner to keep a check on the books and her skin was-

“Green?” Brinn questioned.

“Yes, I really did like the school colors. Now if you’ll excuse me, I deserve a chance to fly!” As she was beginning to rise, Hakon grabbed her leg. “No you don’t!”

“String her up with the decorations!” Suggested Tum. And so they did just that, and Sally hanged from the ceiling with green and black streamers.

"Let's head off to bed," Mac suggested. "Its been an interesting Day."

The two remaining Were-Librarians hoped the saying about thirteen people dining was the same for thirteen people sleeping, that the first to rise dies.

The Living:
Fea, Freshman comp professor/slave
Hakon
Boro, Nervous student teacher
Autume98, Computer geek who keeps to herself and no one really knows
Nerwen, Ex-cheerleader with a job that sounds horribly more glamorous than it is
Nessa Telrunya
Wilwa, Stay at home mom of 9
Nienna, Artsy kid that couldn't be dragged out of the art room so she stayed there
Mac, Shy kid
Shasta, Rebel with nothing to rebel against but still looks cool
Formendacil, Eater of Kraft dinners while getting his Doctorate in Inane Uselessness
Alonariel, Nurse who never sleeps
Brinn, the goth kid everyone is afraid of

The Dead:
Lari, crushed by books~ Moddess
Mira, impaled by a v-cart~ Co-Moddess
Sally, tried to defy gravity and succeed by being hanged~ Were-Librarian

Ranger and Were-Librarians please send your picks.

Lariren Shadow

08-04-2009, 11:01 PM

Wilwa walked out into the hallway. Her cell phone wasn't getting great reception in the room she had and #5 was sick and wanted to talk to Mommy. She sighed, knowing that the other 8 would be sick within the week.

The Were-Librarians took this oppertunity to kill one of the innocent. They stalked her through the halls, following her, trying to corner her.

In the end they got her in a corner, she turned to look at them. "Oh its just...AAAAAHHHHH!!!!!" She cried as they began to beat her with their scanners. Bloody and broken they placed her body under where their fallen comrade Sally still swayed.

Form emerged from his room first to find the wonderful tragic sight that awaited all of them. Wilwa, dead and bloody, below Sally's body(they had forgotten to take it down).

Tum was next to come in and fought back the bile as she saw Wilwa's body.

The rest filed in as well, mourning the loss of the wonderful mother of 9.

The Living:
Fea, Freshman comp professor/slave
Hakon
Boro, Nervous student teacher
Autume98, Computer geek who keeps to herself and no one really knows
Nerwen, Ex-cheerleader with a job that sounds horribly more glamorous than it is
Nessa Telrunya
Nienna, Artsy kid that couldn't be dragged out of the art room so she stayed there
Mac, Shy kid
Shasta, Rebel with nothing to rebel against but still looks cool
Formendacil, Eater of Kraft dinners while getting his Doctorate in Inane Uselessness
Alonariel, Nurse who never sleeps
Brinn, the goth kid everyone is afraid of

The Dead:
Lari, crushed by books~ Moddess
Mira, impaled by a v-cart~ Co-Moddess
Sally, tried to defy gravity and succeed by being hanged~ Were-Librarian
Wilwa, beaten with scanners~ Ordo

Day 2 has begun.

Nerwen

08-05-2009, 12:32 AM

Nerwen shook her head sadly, "What a way to go! Lucky we've got someone here with a bit of experience in police procedure." This was technically true: Nerwen had been brought in for questioning a couple of times. "I've made a list of everything she said yesterDay. Maybe that will give us some clues,"

#14.
Wilwa giggled as she continued to tell Mac and Shasta about how #8 is finally walking, how wonderful is that!?!

They don't seem to be all that interested, she thought sadly as Shasta walked away to talk to Sally, sweet girl though, and Mac just sat there looking half asleep. How strange, I thought everyone would be so excited to hear about my wonderful miracles.

She decided to wander around and look for someone else to talk too. After grabbing a strange green drink that tasted like bananas she walked up to Nessa, who also seemed quite lonely.

"Hello!" Willwa said gently trying to remember any classes they had together. "Remember that one time in English Lit...."

#38.
Ok. So a list, and I have just included those who have actually posted today:

Boro: no really, they are angels (7 is a girl), if they ever do throw spitballs in your class though I won't interfere with the punishing....but it won't happen, haha. Seriously though, no bad vibes from him.

Alonariel: Newbie pass today

Sally: talks about Boro....alot. :p She always confuses me, it's a general rule.

Shasta: kinda hurt that he "pointedly ignored" me, but otherwise I'm not pushed in either directions for him

Nerwen: nothing weird in her single post

Nienna: made a list! Good girl!

Nessa: haven't played with her before, so I'm wanting to keep her around for at least today......and her name is my RL name, so I like her :D

Fea: had a bad first day at work and therefore don't want to make it worse for the poor dear, so will leave her be for today....though she seems fine anyways

Autume: see Nessa just cut out the last part :p

So.....this has gotten me no where. Really nothing much to go on, so I'm at a loss for the moment. Only have about another half hour before I fall asleep, so I'll just be hanging around until then. And then I shall vote...for whom, I don't know....

#42.
Autume has now been tranformed into a girl in my above post, my apologies for that little mix up, never played with her before so I guessed....anyway, yeah, sorry about that...

So I am exhausted from all of todays events (in RL and in the game). Therefore I shall vote.

For whom? Not really sure....I'm honestly good with everyone, mainly cause there hasn't been a heck of a lot from everyone.

So actually, I'm thinking I shall refrain from voting, since I'm not comfortable voting for anyone who has spoken, and I dislike voting for silent types on Day 1....maybe if the deadline wasn't so late I'd end up with more to go on, but for now I don't so this is where I'll leave it.

Good luck to you all today!

So... no leads to anyone. I guess they think they've committed the perfect crime.

Nerwen

08-05-2009, 02:39 AM

Anyone around? I'm getting lonely.

Macalaure

08-05-2009, 06:08 AM

Now... I've sat out a lot of these games since I was a carefree pre-university student, and I've not read most of the ones I've missed, so there's a lot of WW-culture current that I'm not up with--but one thing I have picked up on is that Nienna has something of an unreasonable penchant for being unreasonably lynched on Days 1.

Is she? I wasn't aware of that. She was the only suspicicous person to me at the time, though, so I don't think I would have voted differently even then.

Which means that, coupled with Mac's almost immediate reply to Nienna's post--a Day-ending post, suggesting she won't be back before the end of the Day to defend herself--I am really not liking Mac's quoted post.

I was around, I saw something very suspicious, and at the same time I saw two bandwaggons, liked neither, and wanted to try to put the village on a better rail (from my perspective). It's not like my suspicion against her was new at that time...

It's a little too easy. He sees a couple bandwaggons, says he doesn't like them, and then expresses this by starting--potentially--one of the easiest Day 1 bandwaggons there is?

I would disagree that my bandwaggon was particularly easy compared to others.

I do have to say that, reading Sally's later posts, I would probably have retracted to her. She criticised votes against her instead of suspicion against her and the way she tried to encourage people to vote Nienna doesn't look good either. Needless to say, this implies that Nienna is very probably innocent.

Alright, I'll be back with closer looks at the dead people and at the voting.

Wait, I see Nerwen put all of wilwa's posts into one. Nice. :) It's interesting: the libarians have every reason to be very afraid of the gifteds in this game, yet they chose someone apparently for the single reason to not leave a trail. Are they that afraid to kill the snitch? Why not simply get rid of any of the Sally-voters, for example? Are we dealing with inexperienced librarians, or with librarians who are already now under much pressure? In the latter case, since I doubt Nienna is a librarian, Nerwen would probably be - but then, why is Fea not dead? For now the librarians might be able to confuse us this way, but I think this strategy will come to bite them.

Feanor of the Peredhil

08-05-2009, 06:12 AM

I'm around for about two hours (between things like showering and cleaning) and then if anybody yells at me for non-participation, blame the fact that I'm going to pick up Mira from the bus terminal and Lari from the airport (!). Can't blame a girl for being distracted when the reason she's distracted is a visit from the mods. :cool:

Okay, so. To start my Day right before I hop in the shower, I'm making a List. Don't get all up in my grill for making lists because they serve really truly fabulous purposes not just for wolves. You just have to know what sorts of things to look for.

The Not Particularly Evil, I Think:

Fea: well, duhz. ;)

Nienna, love that she is, has peaced out for the day to go make pretty artistic things and probably to help her peers (most of whom are older) figure out computer software. I prefer to pay actual attention to people when they're actually around for me to ask questions of, but in Nienna's case, I'm not particularly concerned either way. She's not being sneaky enough for me to think she's a threat.

Mac is someone who I was worried about, but upon closer inspection, I think it was just me assuming that he might hypothetically be possibly someone to worry about, in theory. After I took a closer look at his posts, I do definitely think I was reading too much into them.

Formendacil: I might be wrong, but nothing about his posts strike me as off. I'm glad it's a small enough and quiet enough game that it doesn't take much effort to pay attention to everybody.

Boro: Whoa, look at this, B: for once I'm not trying really hard to kill you right away. I reserve the right to change my mind, of course, but for now you seem pretty okay.

The I Really Don't Know But Think There's Almost Definitely at Least One Wolf in Here List:

Hakon
Autume98
Nerwen
Nessa Telrunya
Shasta
Alonariel
Brinn

I'll come back after I shower to reread the thread over breakfast and see if I can pull up some reasons why they concern me and the others don't.

Feanor of the Peredhil

08-05-2009, 06:21 AM

since I doubt Nienna is a librarian, Nerwen would probably be - but then, why is Fea not dead?

Wolves are great about knowing when somebody genuinely doesn't know what they're talking about. It would have cast a lot of suspicion against Nerwen if I'd died in the Night, so I doubt they'd have gone for me. I mean... unless Nerwen isn't a wolf.

But whether or not she is, killing me in the Night does the following things:

1) the wolves lose a distracting force; wolves tend not to want to kill me early because I draw attention away from them (this works in reverse when I am actually a wolf, of course...). While I'm alive, the Seer dreams of me (my last three wolf games I was dreamed of first or second and I've been Fenrised several times), so the actual wolves are safe from that for a bit. And the village tends to wonder what I'm up to, leaving quiet wolves to hide out and watch, and contribute their 'suspicions.'

I'm really too valuable of a scapegoat for wolves to want to kill off so soon, whether or not my I-don't-know-what-I'm-talking-about vote for Nerwen was spot on.

2) This one applies more if Nerwen is a wolf: if I died in the Night, it would definitely cause people to take a very close look at my posts and my voting record. Since Nerwen's the only one I really mentioned suspicion of (even though it was less suspicion than "Well, I've gotta vote for someone..."), it would have really looked bad on her. If she's a Librarian, her co-workers would want, I suspect, to avoid that.

But mostly?

I suspect I just didn't die because wolves like to have me around to worry the village for them.

Nerwen

08-05-2009, 07:26 AM

Boro: Whoa, look at this, B: for once I'm not trying really hard to kill you right away. I reserve the right to change my mind, of course, but for now you seem pretty okay.

Funny you should say that Fea, because I was just making a post about how the person who most needs to explain himself at the moment is Boro.

And now you jump on Mac's tentative scenario:

Are we dealing with inexperienced librarians, or with librarians who are already now under much pressure? In the latter case, since I doubt Nienna is a librarian, Nerwen would probably be - but then, why is Fea not dead? For now the librarians might be able to confuse us this way, but I think this strategy will come to bite them.

–and start talking about me as if I'm suddenly the top suspect in the village. Why?

Wolves are great about knowing when somebody genuinely doesn't know what they're talking about. It would have cast a lot of suspicion against Nerwen if I'd died in the Night, so I doubt they'd have gone for me. I mean... unless Nerwen isn't a wolf.

etc., etc., etc.

And then, why in Middle-earth do you feel the need to construct elaborate theories of why you're still alive, anyway? Why shouldn't you be? (Oh yes, because if I were a wolf I might have thought you were the Seer– ya-de-ya-de-ya– but that's an explanation with nothing to explain.)

Feanor of the Peredhil

08-05-2009, 07:31 AM

And then, why in Middle-earth do you feel the need to construct elaborate theories of why you're still alive, anyway?

Did you miss the part where Mac asked why I'm still alive? Look, I'll quote it for your convenience, so there's no need to read what he wrote for yourself:

In the latter case, since I doubt Nienna is a librarian, Nerwen would probably be - but then, why is Fea not dead?

His question was, if you're a wolf, why didn't I die? I was merely trying to point out that regardless of your role, it would be silly of wolves to kill me, but if you were a wolf, it would be really, really stupid.

You're not really, really stupid, are you?

Macalaure

08-05-2009, 07:49 AM

Boro -> Mac - an unsuccessful test
Fea -> Nerwen - without reason
Sally -> Nerwen - crossed with Fea, so possible librarian-on-librarian
Boro -> autume - Boro, why is "A lot of commentary mixed in with a couple jokes" suspicious?
Nienna -> Sally - no real reason behind this, but Sally was talked about at this point, so no lib-on-lib, I think
Hakon -> same as Nienna, just more so
Mac -> Nienna
Form -> Hakon - looks genuine to me, though a concealed attempt to save Sally is not impossible
autume -> Nienna - says she goes with her suspicion, which looks good at first glance, but on closer inspection: she only starts being suspicious of Nienna five minutes before her vote. She had been neutral in her book all the time before.
Brinn -> Nienna - this vote puts Nienna in the lead before Sally and is obviously suspicious. I might be paranoid, but her reasons look a bit fabricated.
Nerwen -> Sally - obviously makes her look good
alona -> Mac - throwaway vote without any reason. I think a librarian would have tried to make her vote look more polished.
Shasta -> Sally - innocent

which makes:

guilty:
autume

shady:
Brinn

unknown:
Fea
Boro
Nessa (missing)

nice:
Hakon
Form
alona

innocent:
Nienna (also because of Sally's attempt to have her lynched)
Nerwen
Shasta

Nerwen

08-05-2009, 07:50 AM

His question was, if you're a wolf, why didn't I die? I was merely trying to point out that regardless of your role, it would be silly of wolves to kill me, but if you were a wolf, it would be really, really stupid.

You're not really, really stupid, are you?

No I'm not– or a wolf. Where, in all your explanations for your continued existence, is the simple, obvious one? I mean, yesterDay you say you voted me at random, but now you seem rather attached to the idea of my guilt, don't you?

EDIT:X'd with Mac.

Boromir88

08-05-2009, 08:04 AM

Boro: Whoa, look at this, B: for once I'm not trying really hard to kill you right away. I reserve the right to change my mind, of course, but for now you seem pretty okay.~Fea
::chokes and dies on his chocolate chip pop-tart::

Ok...I lied maybe I didn't die, but still I choked. :p

Funny you should say that Fea, because I was just making a post about how the person who most needs to explain himself at the moment is Boro.~Nerwen
I'm assuming you mean my wierd behavior towards sally...to which I will explain now, because it failed.

Usually I try to look like the seer, hoping the wolves bite for it. Last game Lalaith bit and had me killed. However, I started to think, anytime I do this seer thing, I always make it look like I've caught a wolf on Day 1. So, I wondered if the wolves would think it would be more believable if I 'dreamt' of an innocent on Day 1.

I had it narrowed down to a few, and was trying to think of some sort of good seerish hints to drop. So decided to use Princess Bride quotes. So, I picked sally as the fake dream, because of our history in the lover role, and I knew she'd get any PB reference.

My plan was of course assume sally was innocent, trust my innocence, but at the same time get the wolves to think I was the seer. Wierd I know, and well now they know I'm not the seer, so I kind of botched that. But I have more tricks and the 2-left will probably regret not killing me early.

It's interesting, I'm pretty confident in Fea's innocence, because whenever she's a wolf it always seems like I die early...much like Mith. But now that she is not after, I'm more worried. My one weakness in these things seems to be getting charmed too easily. Agan buttered me up then viciously killed me, and sally well I feel totally used.

Edit: crossed with everyone since Nerwen's 109

Feanor of the Peredhil

08-05-2009, 08:06 AM

yesterDay you say you voted me at random, but now you seem rather attached to the idea of my guilt, don't you?

You're behaving defensively, overreacting.

I am convinced of nobody's guilt, though now I'm leaning toward suspecting you heavily of harboring a guilty conscience.

And I would say, "Oh, or I might be alive because I'm a wolf," except that's so obvious it wasn't worth mentioning. Of course I might be a wolf. We all might be wolves.

I daresay if I'm a were-librarian, the seer will already have dreamed of me and the village is well shot of me as soon as xe comes forth with the declaration, "Mon Dieu! Fea is, yet again, a wolf! We must kill her now!"

However, it would be highly unlikely that would happen this game, what with me not being a wolf and all. :rolleyes:

Are you done overreacting to my responses to people now?

I'm going to pick up our lovely moddesses from their respective bus stop and airport terminal. No telling when I'll return, but it will obviously be before deadline.

Nerwen

08-05-2009, 08:08 AM

It's interesting: the libarians have every reason to be very afraid of the gifteds in this game, yet they chose someone apparently for the single reason to not leave a trail. Are they that afraid to kill the snitch? Why not simply get rid of any of the Sally-voters, for example?

Well, they got their numbers reduced by a third on Day One, so maybe they wanted a certain kill last Night to even things up, rather than one that might well get blocked.

EDIT:X'd since my last post.

Nerwen

08-05-2009, 08:31 AM

And I would say, "Oh, or I might be alive because I'm a wolf," except that's so obvious it wasn't worth mentioning. Of course I might be a wolf. We all might be wolves.

No, no, the explanation to which I referred was that I hadn't killed you because I wasn't a wolf. That is indeed stating the obvious– but by leaving it out you made it look as if there were actually a case for me to answer.

I daresay if I'm a were-librarian, the seer will already have dreamed of me and the village is well shot of me as soon as xe comes forth with the declaration, "Mon Dieu! Fea is, yet again, a wolf! We must kill her now!"

However, it would be highly unlikely that would happen this game, what with me not being a wolf and all. :rolleyes:

Are you done overreacting to my responses to people now?

One of us is overreacting, but you know what? I'm not entirely sure it's me.

Look, I'm probing you for a reason, Fea. I'm currently starting to wonder if you might have been party to a Night conversation alone these lines:

"Let's not try for the Sally-voters– any of them could be protected, and we need to kill someone toNight. It'll be hard to get any of them lynched now, but we could try a wolf-on-wolf theory..."

Mind you, it would have been awfully brazen of you and Sally to go after me in unison yesterDay the way you did if you were her fellow... but I could see you doing it.

Nerwen

08-05-2009, 08:47 AM

Usually I try to look like the seer, hoping the wolves bite for it. Last game Lalaith bit and had me killed. However, I started to think, anytime I do this seer thing, I always make it look like I've caught a wolf on Day 1. So, I wondered if the wolves would think it would be more believable if I 'dreamt' of an innocent on Day 1.

I had it narrowed down to a few, and was trying to think of some sort of good seerish hints to drop. So decided to use Princess Bride quotes. So, I picked sally as the fake dream, because of our history in the lover role, and I knew she'd get any PB reference.

My plan was of course assume sally was innocent, trust my innocence, but at the same time get the wolves to think I was the seer.

Well, I'll accept your explanation for the moment. I noticed your Seer-hints, by the way, but as Sally didn't look any too innocent to me, I guessed you were faking it... but I didn't know why.

Macalaure

08-05-2009, 08:50 AM

I can't help but wonder about the kill choice. I agree that going after Sally-voters might have been risky because of the ranger. If another librarian received a vote, they might have shyed away from that person, too, because the argument "they thought s/he was the seer, let's lynch who s/he voted for" is so foreseeable. However, for that very reason, assuming they were clueless about the seer, why not take advantage of that and frame somebody? Instead they went for the second-most traditional kill strategy (kill the trailless, the first being: kill everyone who's after us). How did they think they would really benefit from this choice? I mean, we managed to be fairly successful yesterday without any trail on Day1! I keep on thinking they made a poor choice, which makes me believe in inexperienced librarians. Then again, wouldn't that make a relatively weak librarian team? Hmm.....

Nessa Telrunya

08-05-2009, 09:13 AM

Brinn -> Nienna - this vote puts Nienna in the lead before Sally and is obviously suspicious. I might be paranoid, but her reasons look a bit fabricated.

While reading through what's been said, this caught my attention, and I thought it might be helpful if I went back to put up what Brinn said before.

I'm here, I'm here. And a bit behind, I must say. I've hardly had time to catch up. I have no idea who to lynch so it's best I make a list...

Who I like:

Who I hate:
Sally
Fea
Hakon
Boro
Autume
Nerwen
Nessa Telrunya
Wilwa
Nienna
Mac
Shasta
Formendacil
Alonariel

In summary, I hate everyone. But unfortunately that won't help me come to a decision. :rolleyes:

Give me a few more minutes to decide who I hate more. Be afraid...be very afraid. :smokin:

Alright, I've come to the best decision that I can in less than a half hour.

++Nienna

It's actually not random; I do have a reason (surprise!). Taking a look at her posts, particularly her vote post, she makes me uneasy. It's something about her word choices; they seem carefully placed and her behaviour just reminds me of wolves from the past.

Oh sure, I'll probably get Night-killed for being so quiet toDay. And if not, you all will suspect me for saying so. Meh. I don't care what you all do. I'm going back to my corner to brood in my own thoughts. So keep away. :p

EDIT: X-ed from the top of this page

So I went back to see Nienna's vote post as well.

The pull of sleep is calling me.

A few things before I go

1. Mac on Lists: I think he makes a really good point about the listers (if they are wolves) not wanting to leave out a fellow wolf. On the other hand it is something a really sneaky wolf might do. It gives a lot of deniability later when they can be like "I didn't even think to put them on my first list." Just a thought

2.

++Sally

She seems (out of everyone) the most wolf-like to me. She mentioned books a few times and even some better books to kill with.

3. Goodnight.

But Nienna's reasoning doesn't sound particularly wolfish to me, and she voted to kill Sally when it would've been easier to vote Nerwen, who already had two votes at the time.

But that's just what it looked like. I'd be glad to hear everyone's thoughts on this.

Boromir88

08-05-2009, 09:19 AM

I keep on thinking they made a poor choice, which makes me believe in inexperienced librarians. Then again, wouldn't that make a relatively weak librarian team? Hmm.....~Mac
Well it is a trailless kill, because wilwa absolutely suspected no one, but that doesn't mean she was killed solely for the reason of leaving no trail. Could be to cause confusion, could be they thought she wouldn't be an easy lynch target, and wanted to keep around people who would. I think it's a bit premature to declare the remaining wolves are inexperienced, because it was a no-trail kill. It was one kill, we can't detect patterns (plans) until there's what...2 bits of info? 3?

When I get back, I'm going to go through the voting yesterday, but I don't know when that will be. There's several errands I've been putting off, so at least a few hours.

Edit: crossed with Nessa.

Nienna

08-05-2009, 10:11 AM

I'm on lunch break so I should be around for a while if anyone has questions or whatever.

So far I'm a little concerned about Mac. He has been doing the most analyzing so is not being analyzed. His suspicion of me had no real grounds except that he didn't like my phrasing?... I'm happy he has now backed off and put me on the innocent side of the list but he really started the bandwagon for me which would have saved Sally. I'm going to keep looking and I'll update as needed.

Boro is seeming innocent for me right now. I think it was his banter with Sally at the beginning. It didn't seem wolf on wolf but more wolf on innocent.

Nerwen

08-05-2009, 10:31 AM

So far I'm a little concerned about Mac. He has been doing the most analyzing so is not being analyzed. His suspicion of me had no real grounds except that he didn't like my phrasing?

Oh, I've got my eye on Mac too– he sort of started this "the kill could point to Nerwen" thing, after all. (However, I always like to puzzle out the possible reasons for a no-trace kill myself, so I don't want to read too much into that.)

alonariel

08-05-2009, 10:36 AM

Form -> Hakon - looks genuine to me, though a concealed attempt to save Sally is not impossible
alona -> Mac - throwaway vote without any reason. I think a librarian would have tried to make her vote look more polished.

which makes:

nice:
Hakon
Form
alona

My throwaway vote would definitely fuel your theory that the librarians are an inexperienced bunch during this game, and the fact that I had Newbie protection for the first Day certainly would be help. The roles for this game were chosen at random, after all...

Seeing Form on the nice list, I was a little surprised - I noticed his attempt to cast suspicion elsewhere for Sally as well. And though nice doesn't mean innocent, he was wary of voting for both Nerwen and Sally.

Nerwen's protests have me chivalrously afraid to vote her. Sally's bandwaggon is admittedly weak--I agree full about her point re: Hakon, and I've already said I don't get Mac's Nienna vote.

How was the bandwaggon for Sally weak? She was practically on the hunt for Boro throughout the first half of Day 1, and then always reacting to the votes against her, rather than try and allay the suspicion that fueled those votes in the first place, as Mac said.

I'm going to pick up our lovely moddesses from their respective bus stop and airport terminal. No telling when I'll return, but it will obviously be before deadline.

Be sure to tackle glomp her for me! And make sure she gets some rest after that red eye flight! You know how Lari can be...

But Nienna's reasoning doesn't sound particularly wolfish to me, and she voted to kill Sally when it would've been easier to vote Nerwen, who already had two votes at the time.

But that's just what it looked like. I'd be glad to hear everyone's thoughts on this.

At this point, I'm leaning towards Nienna being innocent. Her phrasing didn't raise up any flags for me, and like you said, she could have used her vote to put Nerwen in the lead for being lynched, but she didn't. And in the end, she did vote to kill off a wolf, Sally. Unless the librarians are willing to kill one of their own to make themselves look innocent, but that's doubtful...

Nerwen

08-05-2009, 11:12 AM

Seeing Form on the nice list, I was a little surprised - I noticed his attempt to cast suspicion elsewhere for Sally as well. And though nice doesn't mean innocent, he was wary of voting for both Nerwen and Sally.

How was the bandwaggon for Sally weak? She was practically on the hunt for Boro throughout the first half of Day 1, and then always reacting to the votes against her, rather than try and allay the suspicion that fueled those votes in the first place, as Mac said.

I think Form meant the fact that Nienna and Hakon merely gave vague IC reasons for their votes. But as you say, Sally was acting pretty obviously guilty– or so I thought, anyway. (Experienced players do tend to have a sort of knee-jerk reaction to unreasoned voting, though.)

And in the end, she did vote to kill off a wolf, Sally. Unless the librarians are willing to kill one of their own to make themselves look innocent, but that's doubtful...

Believe it or not, that happens quite a lot, but I think it's pretty unlikely in this case. Sally's delay in voting Nienna to save herself is slightly eyebrow-raising, but she was probably waiting to see which out of Nienna and I would get the most votes.

Macalaure

08-05-2009, 11:14 AM

So far I'm a little concerned about Mac. He has been doing the most analyzing so is not being analyzed.
Not my fault. ;)

His suspicion of me had no real grounds except that he didn't like my phrasing?
There was more, but it's not important anymore now.

My throwaway vote would definitely fuel your theory that the librarians are an inexperienced bunch during this game
Now slowly everybody: I was thinking aloud and ended up with it. I'm far away from saying that's how things are.

Boromir88

08-05-2009, 11:50 AM

Well, I'll accept your explanation for the moment. I noticed your Seer-hints, by the way, but as Sally didn't look any too innocent to me, I guessed you were faking it... but I didn't know why.~Nerwen
I didn't suspect anything until her last post, before the DL, which looked frantic and desperate. Sally has always been a bit...unconventional, and probably why it's always hard to figure her out. I was wondering about her avatar of Hermione holding books, but took it as a crazy-sally trick, not librarian sally.

Getting the votes and stuff together from yesterday now

autume98

08-05-2009, 12:31 PM

This is all very interesting indeed. I'm really not sure what to think at this moment. In hindsight I probably shoulda posted my suspicions about Nienna before I did. Alas, that does me no good.

Now after taking a look at the voting I don't think Nienna is a wolf. It would've been a lot easier for her to vote for someone else then vote for Sally making it a wolf on wolf vote.

Boromir88

08-05-2009, 12:54 PM

Boro -> autume - Boro, why is "A lot of commentary mixed in with a couple jokes" suspicious?~Mac
Why do you think autume is guilty then? ;)

But seriously for Day 1, I can't think of a better reason yet to vote for someone than besides a player who just comments on the activity, not really offering an opinion, and tries some jokes to look nice (it's the fair to be wary of, not someone who will call a rat a rat). Sometimes I'm pretty cheerful, if there's a good lot of posting, but I called Inzil a commentator last game because that's what he was doing and only offering his opinion on completely irrelevant matters like whether a wolf would openly like blood or not. I got the same commenting feel from autume's first couple posts (and after the point when the true suspicions were supposed to start) - and I mentally graded her list a "D-'' :p...oops I just made a joke.

I was going to analyze the votes, but seeing as from the morning I missed Mac's posting of votes and analysis, all I can really say is for the most part I agree with it, but will point out the differences...

None of the sally voters strikes 'wolf on wolf' to me, so I'm not sure why there are suspicions around Nerwen? She was pretty set on either Fea or sally right when they first voted for her. The only reason her vote came when it did, is because she was in a position where it was reasonable to withhold her vote in case she had to safe herself. Plus...well she got a wolf, a wolf she suspected almost immediately.

Nienna looks the most innocent, for that end of the day bit with sally. When sally first voted for Nienna, I thought she never retracted, therefor it shouldn't count and wondered if sally was going down in 'style' to try and protect a wolf-Nienna. However, based on what sally said and Lari counted it for a tie, than I'm assuming sally was purely voting for Nienna to try and save herself, not as some sacrificial trick to help Nienna. Does that make any sense? I'm afraid it makes sense in my head, but out on the screen it might not.

I'm worried about Formendacil's vote for Hakon, more so than Mac. It could be genuine confusion, caused by Form joining us late and trying to read through the day. But I don't know that rushing could also just be a wolf-Form joining in late, seeing sally in trouble and trying to figure out what to do to save her. I want to hear more from Form about his vote, he should now have plenty of time and not be rushed by the DL.

Hakon

08-05-2009, 03:01 PM

alonariel

08-05-2009, 03:20 PM

I think we can rule out Alona from being a wolf. From the few games I have read through newbies are almost never wolves. One thing all of you need to realize is that if Nienna truly is innocent then she will most likely be killed off real soon. That way we have no one we can say is definitely innocent.

See, in this game, the moddesses pegged the roles at random. The fact that I'm a newbie has nothing to do with the role I received, just as the past history of roles of all the other players have no bearing on the role they received in this game. This makes me not only wary of people who I would generally discern are innocent based on their relationship with the moddesses, but also those who have been wolves in the past. In this case, using your past history against you is essentially useless.

Hakon: You said there's a fair chance I'm not a wolf, but didn't regard me as an innocent. Do you have a hunch about my role like you do Mac's?

Boromir88

08-05-2009, 03:27 PM

My first game I was the seer, I did adequately enough, it was SpM who took over and won it for us, but I agree with alona we shouldn't rule out anyone for any role based on how many games someone has played. Some mods pick players, some do a type of random hat pull, others do a mix. There's really no way of knowing. Hunches are good though, because hunches are starting points, now you have to have reasons for your hunches, care to explain Hakon?

Feanor of the Peredhil

08-05-2009, 03:40 PM

No, no, the explanation to which I referred was that I hadn't killed you because I wasn't a wolf.

Yeah, because I wasn't talking about you. You more or less invented that. I was responding to the idea of the bad guys as a group not killing me. You were an afterthought. You're the one who made my post be all about you.

Seriously, I repeat: I don't know if you're evil, and right now I don't care.

Boromir seems to be making sense, Hakon's logic seems flawed, but I'm not sure if that's because he's new or if it's because he's trying really hard.

I'm very distracted by the presence of the mods, though, so I'm going to pay attention to them for a bit.

Nienna

08-05-2009, 03:40 PM

I agree with Boro on what he said about Mods... It has been my experience that some people request roles and then the mods can decide if they want to heed this requests or not. Most try for random but it is not often easy.

EDIT: x-ed with Fea

Boromir88

08-05-2009, 03:55 PM

I can tell you how I'm going to choose roles for my upcoming game :D But that won't be relevant, so you'll just have to wait, and I doubt Lari would like someone advertising during her game. :p

So onward with suspected book wolvery, I think this topic has had enough air time(as long as I get the last word) :cool:

Lariren Shadow

08-05-2009, 04:00 PM

No I wouldn't...but at some point I would like to know:Merisu:

And, for reference because there is discussion, the roles were random. A hat was used to pick them.

Macalaure

08-05-2009, 04:16 PM

I can't believe that nobody has thrown in a bit of basic werewolf lore yet: If you have a hunch about the gifteds, unless you're evil yourself, for crying out loud - shut up! With very few exceptions, you're only helping the wolves!

Hunches are good though, because hunches are starting points, now you have to have reasons for your hunches, care to explain Hakon?

Boro, did you just seriously ask Hakon to elaborate on why he thinks I'm the ranger?? Hakon might get a pass for that for being new, you know better.

Boro=evil.

alonariel

08-05-2009, 04:28 PM

I can't believe that nobody has thrown in a bit of basic werewolf lore yet: If you have a hunch about the gifteds, unless you're evil yourself, for crying out loud - shut up! With very few exceptions, you're only helping the wolves!

Boro, did you just seriously ask Hakon to elaborate on why he thinks I'm the ranger?? Hakon might get a pass for that for being new, you know better.

Boro=evil.

I was in the middle of making a post that consisted of something like "Why would Boro want to further expose Mac as the ranger if he was a good guy?" Now, I'm not convinced Mac is the ranger - in fact, I have a feeling (much like Hakon's hunch) that he may not even be on the side of good in this game - but Boro's blatant fishing has me worried now. Evil? Maybe.

Boromir88

08-05-2009, 04:41 PM

Boro, did you just seriously ask Hakon to elaborate on why he thinks I'm the ranger?? Hakon might get a pass for that for being new, you know better.

Boro=evil.~Mac
It's already been thrown out there and not be me, so stop making it look like this is some big secret we should shupt up about. I don't know why that makes me evil. And in this case the Ranger is much better protected because he/she can defend himself or anyone twice in a row...I figure the role is almost like the hunter where sometimes the hunter is more dangerous known than unknown.

This isn't the normal Ranger and I don't know why you jumped on me asking about Hakon's hunch. For all you know I could be the ranger and curious to Hakon's reasoning and trying to protect myself. (I'll say now before I get bombarded against by more people I'm not the Ranger...but whatever)

It's more evil that 2 people immediately jump out on me asking Hakon to explain himself. :rolleyes:

alonariel

08-05-2009, 04:53 PM

It's more evil that 2 people immediately jump out on me asking Hakon to explain himself. :rolleyes:

I wasn't trying to tag team you about questioning Hakon; I even asked a question of him. There's no need to get defensive (unless it's a guilty conscience speaking); as it is, you explained why you wanted to know about Hakon's hunch and it can be left at that. For now. ;)

Shastanis Althreduin

08-05-2009, 04:54 PM

OMGUS much, Boro? (Wow, I used a Mafia term.)

Here and reading. Foremost in my mind today is Fea vs. Nerwen, and of the two I think Nerwen the more likely to be innocent... but this could just be the general innocent vs. innocent that seems to happen every game.

Formendacil

08-05-2009, 04:59 PM

Well, said Form, I'm back...

Which is to say that I've read over the thread, with greater detail here, less detail there. Unfortunately, as usual, I'm not having wolves leap out of the shadows and declare themselves--which is a crying shame, since that means I can look forward to the tedious task of trying to sort things out the old-fashioned way.

On the very recent (relative to the rest of the day) note that Mac could be a Gifted/Wolf and Boro would be stupendously foolish to point out the former if that's the case... I haven't got any good reasons for thinking it at the moment, but as far as all that goes, my gut is on the side of Boromir and says that Mac could be a WW. The point was raised earlier that I might be a late-coming wolf voting Hakon in the hopes of saving Sally--I'm not, but I'm not so young at this as to think you'll take my word for it. :smokin: The point has also already been made, I think, that Mac could have been doing the same thing with his Nienna vote. Oddly, perhaps, that line of reasoning doesn't especially bother me--if, indeed, it's true (as we cannot tell till the post-game) what Mac says about not knowing Nienna's Day 1 Death-Penchant. Perhaps this is just me and the skewed perspective of having visited said Downer.

However... even if Mac didn't seem guilty on the start-a-different-bandwaggon note, he does seem extra jumpy about Boro at the moment, and as I don't really know what to make of that, I'm inclined to ascribe it to Wolvery.

More anon...

Macalaure

08-05-2009, 05:11 PM

It's already been thrown out there and not be me, so stop making it look like this is some big secret we should shupt up about.It's been thrown out as a hunch without anything to back it. Unlikely the librarians would seriously consider it as it stood. You were asking him to solidify it and, which would also cause the village to discuss gifteds instead of librarians.

I don't know why that makes me evil.
See above.

And in this case the Ranger is much better protected because he/she can defend himself or anyone twice in a row...I figure the role is almost like the hunter where sometimes the hunter is more dangerous known than unknown.
*takes a deep breath*

That is utter nonsense. Yes, the ranger is better protected and is able to take two night kills away from the librarians if revealed. But if he has to protect himself he cannot protect the seer twice and thus give us two additional dreams out of a revealed seer. Two dreams at the end of the game can be deciding! You know that well. Almost like the hunter? What threat is attacking the ranger to the librarians? None, except for losing kills.

This isn't the normal Ranger and I don't know why you jumped on me asking about Hakon's hunch.
See above.

For all you know I could be the ranger and curious to Hakon's reasoning and trying to protect myself. (I'll say now before I get bombarded against by more people I'm not the Ranger...but whatever)
No. If that was the case you would be gathering questionable information at the cost of risking the life of someone you do not know is not gifted.

It's more evil that 2 people immediately jump out on me asking Hakon to explain himself. :rolleyes:
True. It should have been more.

Alonariel - you voted for me yesterday without reason and you still think I'm suspicious... mind to share why? :)

Form, I'm jumpy about Boro because he did something an innocent Boro would not have done. Would a wolf-Boro do it? Not sure, maybe not, because it would be too risky. Would a cobbler-Boro do it? Yes. (Note that I said Boro=evil, not Boro=wolf.)
Anyway, with the Snitch's power the way it is, I would not consider lynching him a waste in the least.

Nessa Telrunya

08-05-2009, 05:12 PM

Well, I fear being the first to vote, but RL restricts me from posting right up to the 1am deadline in my timezone. Now, going off of earlier musings of my own rather than the frenzied topics of Fea and Nienna is how I'm going to vote.

++Brinn

Now, before anyone demands the 'why', you can find my reasons already stated in post #119

Formendacil

08-05-2009, 05:21 PM

I'm worried about Formendacil's vote for Hakon, more so than Mac. It could be genuine confusion, caused by Form joining us late and trying to read through the day. But I don't know that rushing could also just be a wolf-Form joining in late, seeing sally in trouble and trying to figure out what to do to save her. I want to hear more from Form about his vote, he should now have plenty of time and not be rushed by the DL.

Well, I'll do my best--expecting, of course, that even if it satisfies you, Boro, it'll give someone else cause for complaint. Anyway, it is part confusion--but not because I came in late in the Day. I did, of course, but I had hours enough to catch myself up to the action--just. I could argue, all the same, that it was post-Long Weekend exhaustion, mixed with the brain-buzzing beginnings of a head cold, but while that undoubtedly didn't contribute anything useful, it'd be unsporting to give my physical state late in Day 1 much leverage.

(Although... I still have the cold today, and absolutely puttered my way through work in a sitting standstill, so if you want to feel sorry for me, now's the day to do it--the cold's worse--but fuzzy though the edges of my skull are, I still think I can reason and gut-instinct with my usual catastrophe.)

Anyway, what was basically going through my mind yesterDay was what I told Mac about his vote for Nienna: I really didn't like it, for the simple reason that it came, more or less to my eyes, out of nowhere, and--given the knowledge stowed away in some back compartment of my mind about Nienna being the new Saucepan Person for an abnormally high Day 1 deathrate, it seemed--if any vote on Day 1 can seem so--like a potentially malicious vote. More obviously so that than the whole morass of Nerwen and Sally

You also have to remember, Boro that yesterday was a Day 1. I may have decided that Mac's vote for Nienna was wrong, but that's hardly enough of a reason right there to jump on a Sally or Nerwen bandwaggon. Who to vote for then? Well, the usual Day 1 conditions held, and I went for someone who wasn't objectively all that suspicious, but had just touched my instincts the wrong way, so felt more appropriate than a jump-on bandwaggon vote. Call me timid, but I don't like casting potentially decisive votes on Day 1. Given that I don't feel there are generally any good reasons to think someone's guilty on Day 1, it simply puts way too much emphasis on a vote I'd rather not make. If we'd have gone by mere alarm-setting off, I'd have voted Mac, but I'm still good enough at second-guessing myself to say that that would have been the usual Day 1-jumping-at-shadows.

Shastanis Althreduin

08-05-2009, 05:27 PM

- Based on the Wilwa kill, I think Fea is innocent. The Fea I know wouldn't hide behind a no-trace kill (at least, I don't think she would.)

- Based on Mac's #106 - specifically this:

I do have to say that, reading Sally's later posts, I would probably have retracted to her. She criticised votes against her instead of suspicion against her and the way she tried to encourage people to vote Nienna doesn't look good either. Needless to say, this implies that Nienna is very probably innocent.

I think Mac could be guilty. Something about this strikes me as trying to share in the credit for the lynch of a librarian, and his vote for Nienna, while not the most suspicious thing about him, combines oddly with what he said about Sally encouraging people to vote for Nienna.

- Since I now begin to think badly of Mac, this post of Fea's catches my attention:

Mac is someone who I was worried about, but upon closer inspection, I think it was just me assuming that he might hypothetically be possibly someone to worry about, in theory. After I took a closer look at his posts, I do definitely think I was reading too much into them.

If Mac is in fact a wolf, I think this could be... something that I don't have the words for. It just looks odd, okay? Jeez.

- I agree with Nerwen's #109 (partially because she echoes my now-top-two suspects). I have to ask, though, why all this heaping suspicion on Nerwen?

- Fea mentions Nerwen again in #110, but Mac thinks her innocent in #111. I'm not sure which looks worse here, but I'm thing Mac for his 180.

- Boro's #113, especially this:

I had it narrowed down to a few, and was trying to think of some sort of good seerish hints to drop. So decided to use Princess Bride quotes. So, I picked sally as the fake dream, because of our history in the lover role, and I knew she'd get any PB reference.

This makes me feel pretty good about Boro, especially the hint thing. Just bad luck he picked on an actual baddie to hint to (and I feel stupid for not seeing the Princess Bride references myself; but then again, all the games with Phantom I've played and I haven't seen even one of his "hints" either.... guess I'm just bad at picking up hints. :p)

- Regarding Fea:

I daresay if I'm a were-librarian, the seer will already have dreamed of me and the village is well shot of me as soon as xe comes forth with the declaration, "Mon Dieu! Fea is, yet again, a wolf! We must kill her now!"

This quote seems Phantomish and I don't like it, especially since Fea was barely around Day 1.

- Nessa's #119 about Brinn seems well-thought-out, but I do have to wonder how much of Brinn's post was IC. Her reason for voting Nienna does seem weird, though; it might as well have been random, so why not just say that it was?

- This quote by Alonariel strikes me as odd:

How was the bandwaggon for Sally weak? She was practically on the hunt for Boro throughout the first half of Day 1, and then always reacting to the votes against her, rather than try and allay the suspicion that fueled those votes in the first place, as Mac said.

The first half of Day 1 was banter-only, really, by the command of the mods, so using that as a reason for voting seems strange. And then jumping on something that Mac has already said...Hmm.

- Mac again, #125:

Now slowly everybody: I was thinking aloud and ended up with it. I'm far away from saying that's how things are.

Except that you already said that! I don't like that you're trying to take back what you've said, Mac.

- Hakon's #129, about how we can rule out Alona, is wrong (as people have said, I think?) Newbieism doesn't preclude one from being a wolf.

Edit: X'ed with Formendacil.

Formendacil

08-05-2009, 05:29 PM

Form, I'm jumpy about Boro because he did something an innocent Boro would not have done. Would a wolf-Boro do it? Not sure, maybe not, because it would be too risky. Would a cobbler-Boro do it? Yes. (Note that I said Boro=evil, not Boro=wolf.)
Anyway, with the Snitch's power the way it is, I would not consider lynching him a waste in the least.

Although my gut's still on Boro's side here, you do bring up an interesting point--I'd completely forgotten about the Cobbler. That would, certainly, put a whole different dimension on yesterday's events. The thought occurred to me, reading over yesterday's posts, that the whole Boro and Sally smooch-fest might have been one or the other's attempt to play at the Lovers--I did not think it likely that both would have done that, but in the same way a genuine Boro-Innocent would impersonate a seer to protect the seer, I could see a Boro-Cobbler impersonating a Lover to confuse the seer--and I could see Sally having played along with with it either way.

But I'm still not sold on it. Boromir's reasoning makes sense to me, and, anyway, I'm not sure why he would have picked Sally. If, as a Cobbler, he thought her innocent, then he's giving shelter to an Innocent--which makes no sense. If he thought her a wolf, it certainly would certainly give her protection, if the seer bought it--but would the seer buy it? And what reason would Boro-Cobbler have for thinking Sally a wolf at that stage in the game?

Yeah... not sold on it...

And Brinn has earned a vote. That's... actually not a bad case, prima facie, but I don't know if I like it yet. Nessa seems to be one of those players that stays comfortably below the surface--or, in other words, I can't read her.

alonariel

08-05-2009, 05:29 PM

Alonariel - you voted for me yesterday without reason and you still think I'm suspicious... mind to share why? :)

I'm sad to say at this point it's still just a hunch. I know it may be very newbie-ish of me to expose that hunch because, if I'm wrong, it gives my future speculations very little weight and, if I'm right, I could be killed in the night. Though one situation is preferable above the other, I'm not truly fond of either.

I was originally going to vote for Sally, but thought that she was playing the part of a wolf far too obvious to actually be a wolf. As it was, I was wrong. I had had you in the back of my mind throughout Day 1 mostly because of your suspicion of Nienna when I felt there was no basis for it. Whether that was wrong or not as well...we'll soon find out, I suspect.

Well, the usual Day 1 conditions held, and I went for someone who wasn't objectively all that suspicious, but had just touched my instincts the wrong way, so felt more appropriate than a jump-on bandwaggon vote.

^ My feelings stated in a much clearer way, thank you Form.

I hope this explains some of my vote, even if it may be a little muddled. My voting for Day 1 had come after a very long day working with children, whose funny way of viewing the world does not always leave me with a very clear head afterwards. ;)

Boromir88

08-05-2009, 05:30 PM

OMGUS much, Boro? (Wow, I used a Mafia term.)~Shasta
Yes, but mostly in times of frustration when I'm not thinking clearly. :cool:

It's been thrown out as a hunch without anything to back it. Unlikely the librarians would seriously consider it as it stood.~Mac
That's unlikely, as soon as it's thrown out there, hunch or not, it's more likely the wolves would pay attention.

You should also consider it's an attempt by me to catch wolves in it's track...whether it's Hakon or another trying to turn the conversation. This is part that frustrates me the most, instead of waiting to see what happens, or try and figure out what someone is up to, anything that seems tricky or secretive is taken as a sign of evil. News flash, this is not always the case, innocents can use their own secrets to try and catch wolves, but when you immediately jump after someone and make them explain themselves, it makes the whole thing moot.

I would have thought I proved trustworthy enough after I came clean about my failed intentions with sally, yesterday and my blatant indication that I still had a few tricks up my sleeve.

You also should not downplay wolves missing kills, failed kills give us more days. For what it's worth I was purposefully trying to get people's reactions to Hakon and see if that would reveal anything, or if anyone was trying to steer conversation. As it is now, however and my intention is spilled, well I'm willing to let the matter lie where it is. If you desire to continue to pursue about the Ranger go ahead. ;)

Form, I'm jumpy about Boro because he did something an innocent Boro would not have done. Would a wolf-Boro do it? Not sure, maybe not, because it would be too risky. Would a cobbler-Boro do it? Yes. (Note that I said Boro=evil, not Boro=wolf.)
This isn't meant to sound bitter, I'm just going to say it...don't presume you know what I would do as a wolf or as an innocent. Some may have a grasp on what I would do, but I remember not too long ago you were saying I was completely wrong about 'wasting' a lynch on a player who would wind up lynched anyway. Of course you were a wolf then, and maybe you were just lying, but you seemed pretty adamant that we wasted a lynch chance, when arguably we didn't.

I'm not infallible, I'm capable of mistakes and blunders and flubs like anyone else, but if I have my own rationale for doing what I do, hopefully that's enough to get trust.

Edit: crossed with everyone since Nessa's vote for Brinn.

Shastanis Althreduin

08-05-2009, 05:33 PM

I'm not infallible, I'm capable of mistakes and blunders and flubs like anyone else, but if I have my own rationale for doing what I do, hopefully that's enough to get trust.

Blatantly asking us to trust you when you of all people know that no one is worthy of trust in a WW game? Hmm...

Boromir88

08-05-2009, 05:42 PM

Blatantly asking us to trust you when you of all people know that no one is worthy of trust in a WW game? Hmm...

My trust in Lommy's innocence in Brinn's game was a big help, when you have nothing else that's what it takes working together and trust. I'm not talking about willy-nilly just whoever you want to trust, it takes gut feeling and of course proof that you can, which is what I am trying to display in my honest responses. No one will take me at my word for it, but I'm being straight with everyone about what I'm doing. Take it or leave it.

Formendacil

08-05-2009, 05:42 PM

This isn't meant to sound bitter, I'm just going to say it...don't presume you know what I would do as a wolf or as an innocent. Some may have a grasp on what I would do, but I remember not too long ago you were saying I was completely wrong about 'wasting' a lynch on a player who would wind up lynched anyway. Of course you were a wolf then, and maybe you were just lying, but you seemed pretty adamant that we wasted a lynch chance, when arguably we didn't.

If I may play conciliator, Mac need not have meant "what Boro himself would do as a Cobbler" so much as "what a cobbler, who might be Boro might do as a Cobbler"--which is quite another thing entirely. Of course, especially as I'm reading this into the single quote snippet in Boro's last post, if, in fact, Mac is imputing that he can delve into Boro's very psyche and retrieve the secrets of his probable actions--then, by all means, continue to pursue this course of argument. If nothing else, the defences Boro mounts and the attacks Mac offers should afford the rest of us the chance to pick out more of a vibe on both you.:D

alonariel

08-05-2009, 05:44 PM

- This quote by Alonariel strikes me as odd:

The first half of Day 1 was banter-only, really, by the command of the mods, so using that as a reason for voting seems strange. And then jumping on something that Mac has already said...Hmm.

I do seem to be agreeing with Mac a lot, don't I? Whether it was done intentionally or by coincidence, I find it amusing either way.

And although the moddesses stated that there were no hints in their narration, they didn't say that players couldn't hide hints in their own narrations: so why isn't what Sally said IC fair game for deciding whether or not to vote for her? It was her attitude IC and her subsequent defense against the votes for her that created suspicion, in my view.

alonariel

08-05-2009, 05:46 PM

Sally has always been a bit...unconventional, and probably why it's always hard to figure her out. I was wondering about her avatar of Hermione holding books, but took it as a crazy-sally trick, not librarian sally.

Being this is my first (official) game, I wonder if people have hidden clues to their identity in their avatars before?

Shastanis Althreduin

08-05-2009, 05:49 PM

I do seem to be agreeing with Mac a lot, don't I? Whether it was done intentionally or by coincidence, I find it amusing either way.

And although the moddesses stated that there were no hints in their narration, they didn't say that players couldn't hide hints in their own narrations: so why isn't what Sally said IC fair game for deciding whether or not to vote for her? It was her attitude IC and her subsequent defense against the votes for her that created suspicion, in my view.

Yes, and then you voted him. :p

Formendacil

08-05-2009, 05:50 PM

:D

Being this is my first (official) game, I wonder if people have hidden clues to their identity in their avatars before?

Ermm... occasionally, yes... but so often on the order of a red herring or a complete accident that it'd be foolish at best, in my opinion, to base an argument on it. The same goes for locations and signatures.

Of course, after the game these things can be the most blatant of referents back, but in-game I've never seen them indicative.

Caveat: I could be horribly wrong. 'tis possible...

Macalaure

08-05-2009, 05:53 PM

That's unlikely, as soon as it's thrown out there, hunch or not, it's more likely the wolves would pay attention.
Pay attention, yes. Act on it, unlikely.

You should also consider it's an attempt by me to catch wolves in it's track...whether it's Hakon or another trying to turn the conversation.

Now first it was that our specific ranger is better off being revealed, and now it's a plot to flush a librarian out. You did not act in a way one would try to flush a Hakon-wolf out (put pressure on him). And discussing gifteds as a way of making a baddie slip up? New tactic to me. Actually, the only one who discussed it in a suspicious way was you: trying to keep one's head out of it while encouraging others to make themselves look bad.

Boro, are you aware how defensive you are about this? I could backpedal and believe your intentions and call it a difference of opinion, but it's all a bit too much to make me change my mind.

Boromir88

08-05-2009, 05:57 PM

Caveat: I could be horribly wrong. 'tis possible...

I wouldn't say so...for me I'll just say whatever my role is my coyote avatar is completely incidental. I had it before I even started playing in WW, and even before I expressed concerns it would automatically make people think I was a wolf. To which, I was assured that usually avatars, sigs, whatever aren't meant to be taken 'seriously.'

I will add however, it is a reason to at least start looking, or focusing on someone. If your reason is just a person's avatar alone, that's pretty poor, it's like suspecting someone for their placement of smilies or exclamation marks. However, it could be a reason to at least focus on someone and see if how they act, or their behavior, 'fits' their avatar, or whatever it is.

alonariel

08-05-2009, 06:00 PM

Of course, after the game these things can be the most blatant of referents back, but in-game I've never seen them indicative.

Caveat: I could be horribly wrong. 'tis possible...

Granted, the only info I'm running on is what Lari has told me about her past WW games, but my attention to detail can be both a blessing and a curse at times, I'm afraid.

However, it could be a reason to at least focus on someone and see if how they act, or their behavior, 'fits' their avatar, or whatever it is.

Noted :)

Boromir88

08-05-2009, 06:03 PM

Boro, are you aware how defensive you are about this? I could backpedal and believe your intentions and call it a difference of opinion, but it's all a bit too much to make me change my mind.

Haha, now you try to make it look like some casual suspicion. You called me evil and underlined it...of course I'm defensive about that. :rolleyes: I'm an up-tight and tense person, the amount of games won't change my personality.

I'm defensive because this is the exact argument I've had with other people in Fea's Republic game. It truly is something that frustrates me and I wish people could understand it.

If you want to know more about it, I can tell you more, but I have a feeling no matter what I say about it, it won't change your mind Mac. So, I'm moving on to other things. I'm telling you though you don't have to be immediately reactionary, give some time for things to play out, it doesn't even have to be a day, could just be a few hours. Then next time I probably won't get so defensive. :rolleyes:

Boromir88

08-05-2009, 06:34 PM

I'm going to put some Mac and Cheese in my system, when I get back, final thoughts on innocents/guiltys and my vote.

Macalaure

08-05-2009, 06:38 PM

It just occurred to me: both of the tricks that Boro pulled were related to gifteds. Coincidentally, the central purpose of the snitch is to sniff out gifteds for the librarians. The guise of the ordo trying to trick librarians is too convenient.

No, Boro, you won't change my mind. You've been risking the lives of four very powerful gifteds that, provided a bit of luck, could win the game on their own. If you really are innocent, then we indeed differ in opinion once more. If you're innocent, then your approach is dangerous and does not merit the faint chances of catching a librarian, especially not because a hapless ordo is more likely to fall for your trap than a real baddie. I remember, long ago, an evil Eomer trying something similar: pretending a wolf-trap, have an ordo fall for it and then get that one lynched.

Lynch Boro, says I.

Macalaure

08-05-2009, 06:41 PM

I'm going to put some Mac and Cheese in my system, when I get back, final thoughts on innocents/guiltys and my vote.

Are you hinting to the librarians to put some Mac and Cheese into their system during the Night? :eek: :D

Boromir88

08-05-2009, 06:56 PM

Are you hinting to the librarians to put some Mac and Cheese into their system during the Night?

I didn't even realize that until you picked it up...seriously I'm eating Mac and Cheese, there's no secret hint. I messed up the day I was supposed to go out and eat dinner why my mother, and have come back to my apartment in need of food. I can take a picture if you'd like? Kraft, whole grain, the cheesiest and put it up here, maybe it will get it through that stubborn head of yours. :rolleyes:

When I'm finished with this bowl I'll get to what I said I was going to, tie Mac to a chair and ignore him. I won't duct-tape his mouth though, if I do, whenever that tape comes off, it will be far worse. :rolleyes:

Boromir88

08-05-2009, 07:20 PM

Can't believe I did this...*shrug*

http://photos-a.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc1/hs147.snc1/5452_688867277524_23330393_40232216_2821327_n.jpg

Macalaure

08-05-2009, 07:23 PM

I see I should have used two ":D"'s. :rolleyes: ;)

crossed with Boro... Hookbill! We need you here!!!

Boromir88

08-05-2009, 07:27 PM

I see I should have used two :D

crossed with Boro... Hookbill! We need you here!!!

To edit the picture and make it look wolvish? If I recall last time Hookie distorted one of my pics I was innocent and the one who posted it...morm was a wolf. *shrug again*

Wow I really need to get to something constructive... :rolleyes:

Edit: oops I forgot that dude wasn't me but some random guy I said was me... :eek:

Formendacil

08-05-2009, 07:30 PM

Now... I'm torn... I don't claim to have an instinctual feel of how Boro plays, but him being noisy, excited, and too touchy is, I think, typical enough that none of the alarms are going off.

But...

But...

He's really taking this "mac and cheese" thing to heart. And I can't decide if it's an Innocent that's revelling in post-Kentian* ability to give us silly pictures of himself... or if he's a wild-eyed cobbler revelling in his tailor-made role... or a wolf that's trying too hard.

I don't lean towards the last, and the other two are indistinguishable, half the time, until the endgame or postgame. And while I agree with Mac that we should bag a Cobbler if we can, and call it a victory, I still think there's hope of catching the real thing.

To this end, I'm especially thinking of Brinn, chiefly for the reasons Nessa gave in voting her, and I'm not averse at the moment to doing the same. If anyone has a reason not to, now's the time to talk me out of it.

*To the unaware newer members... it's a long story. The synopsis is that Boro has not shared pictures online for most of his several year BD membership.

Boromir88

08-05-2009, 07:56 PM

Form, I wanted to show I really was eating Mac and Cheese, no secrets or tricks in there, and to try and get through Mac's stubborn-ness. Because well, I think he's innocent, and just barking up the wrong tree.

This is a matter I take to heart when my honor is at stake, if you want to read through Fea's republic, I got very touchy with other people for the very thing...for which I apologized for, but it's frustrating when I don't think others 'get me.'

Mac says what I do is dangerous to the gifteds, but I disagree. I've tried to look like the seer many many times when I'm an ordo, because that is my way of trying to draw the wolves away from the real seer. When it's successful I'm very happy, and if it's not I would argue I don't put the real seer in danger at all. No seer has complained about what I do, and it continues to be successful to me, so I continue to do it. When it's not I'll admit it...no problem with saying I fail.

With the Ranger thing, I stated my reasons in this thread, so I won't repeat them.

Now...

Mac, I think his attacks on me are a misled innocent. For the most part, as I stated earlier I agreed with his analysis, besides a few people. All I can say is I think he's being entirely unreasonable towards me, but can't realy fault him, as I'm so darn stubborn too.

For now, I believe Nerwen, Shasta, and Nienna are innocent. For reasons stated earlier, mainly the sally votes...wouldn't put it past a wolf-on-wolf, but today there are better leads (which I will get into below).

I'm watching Hakon, but for today the sally vote makes him look innocent.

autume and Brinn are no where to be found. Brinn stated she would be less active at least the first couple days, but there is no reason to believe she will not make an appearance, and for now I will grant her time to 'hear more.'

I'm growing more wary of alonariel, based on the jump against me. Her post saying I was too defensive, and backing away by almost saying it was no big deal looks wolvish. Form has attempted to play the moderator between us...which makes him look innocent, because any wolf would like to see two heavy weights duke it out. Could be what a wolf-Form expects me to think, but I'm more suspicious of alonariel's apparent support for Mac, but then trying to pass it off as just innocent questions for me and Hakon.

If I haven't mentioned you above, I simply haven't remembered and haven't been giving much thought about you...so basically neutral.

Feanor of the Peredhil

08-05-2009, 08:01 PM

This quote seems Phantomish and I don't like it, especially since Fea was barely around Day 1.

This relates to the fact that the last two games or three games I played in, I was a wolf that was dreamed of on the first (or close to it) Night.

I mean... It's not arrogance so much as dead on truth: I get dreamed of.

Sidenote: It's really hard to play this game with Lari and Mira talking behind you. [/sidenote]

Okay, so now that I've finally caught up... I have very little to say except that Hakon is making n00b errors about telling who he suspects is a gifted, Boro is remaining reasonable...

Actually, that's about all I retained.

I think I'm supposed to be dying a friend's hair...

Formendacil

08-05-2009, 08:10 PM

Form, I wanted to show I really was eating Mac and Cheese, no secrets or tricks in there, and to try and get through Mac's stubborn-ness. Because well, I think he's innocent, and just barking up the wrong tree.

I understand this... the mac and cheese thing was purely a slip of the fingers, completely and utterly unrelated to the game. It's just the energy of the matter that has me thinking.

This is a matter I take to heart when my honor is at stake, if you want to read through Fea's republic, I got very touchy with other people for the very thing...for which I apologized for, but it's frustrating when I don't think others 'get me.'

Your point, about actively flushing out the wolves is well taken. I have no issue with the point, from a purely philosophical standpoint. The thing is, though, I'm also a philosopher enough to admit to myself that I can't tell any difference between a worked up Boromir who's innocent, and a lupine Boromir who might be leading us down the garden path.

For what it's worth, I don't think you're a wolf, and since I do incline to think Brinn is a wolf, you're not likely to get my vote today... and depending how the vote goes, who dies tonight, etc, etc, we'll see how the longterm views you.

Mac says what I do is dangerous to the gifteds, but I disagree. I've tried to look like the seer many many times when I'm an ordo, because that is my way of trying to draw the wolves away from the real seer. When it's successful I'm very happy, and if it's not I would argue I don't put the real seer in danger at all. No seer has complained about what I do, and it continues to be successful to me, so I continue to do it. When it's not I'll admit it...no problem with saying I fail.

The fact that you're so irritated Mac can't agree with you on this point amuses me to no end, and somewhat raises your stocks in my mind. It is, as I see it, almost exactly like myself and Nogrod when we happen to play together. If we're both innocent, we'll destroy each other by Day 3 because we think exactly the opposite in terms of strategy and philosophy about this game. In other words... good luck with converting him!

Anyway, although I'm easy enough to lure into these theory-of-the-game arguments, I think (remembering Nogrod...), we may be arguing ourselves away from the wolves at this point. I don't think Mac is a wolf, and I don't think Boro is a wolf. I guess this means I ought to move on to someone I DO think is a wolf.:rolleyes:

Hakon

08-05-2009, 08:19 PM

All this talk of me making newbie errors bothers me. Oh well I will move on for now.

I have a gut feeling telling me that Alona is the snitch but reading these posts makes me think it might be Boro. I am almost one hundred percent sure that Boro is not a wolf. I am a bit suspicious of Form. He is a bit like Inziladun was in the last game. He is offering great opinions and thoughts but all the while he might be blending in better than any other wolf. I know it is not good reasoning and it will probably get called a noob error but I am just sharing my thoughts.

Shastanis Althreduin

08-05-2009, 08:28 PM

This relates to the fact that the last two games or three games I played in, I was a wolf that was dreamed of on the first (or close to it) Night.

I mean... It's not arrogance so much as dead on truth: I get dreamed of.

Sidenote: It's really hard to play this game with Lari and Mira talking behind you. [/sidenote]

Okay, so now that I've finally caught up... I have very little to say except that Hakon is making n00b errors about telling who he suspects is a gifted, Boro is remaining reasonable...

Actually, that's about all I retained.

I think I'm supposed to be dying a friend's hair...

I know, but it's still Phantomish and thus annoying. I don't think it says that you're a wolf, I just think it's... annoying. :p

Nienna

08-05-2009, 08:43 PM

Brinn is making me the most nervous right now. Her vote yesterday looks really suspicious. She basically jumped onto a bandwagon (for me) and gave me the leading vote. This seems like a wolf attempt to keep a bandwagon for a non-wolf going so that their fellow wolf doesn't get lynched. Nerwen and Shasta's vote after that for Sally then look innocent.

Boromir88

08-05-2009, 08:43 PM

Top Chef Masters is coming on, so sorry with no Tivo available, that will take priority over this and I will return.

One more comment..

I am a bit suspicious of Form. He is a bit like Inziladun was in the last game. He is offering great opinions and thoughts but all the while he might be blending in better than any other wolf. I know it is not good reasoning and it will probably get called a noob error but I am just sharing my thoughts.~Hakon

That's really not bad reasoning at all...I would ask you to consider that there is a difference between Form this game and Inziladun last.

It's been a long time since I've seen Form in one of these (I'm afraid all I remember are his epic battles with Nogrod). Right now though he's looking like the voice of reason between two polar opposites. Which, with Mith not here, I'm kind of glad to have in this game. Now he could be using this, as a wolf, to his advantage, and like I said it's not a bad reason to suspect someone.

I will point out the difference though, Inziladun pretty much got involved in irrelevant, small matters, like talking about whether wolves would openly like blood or not. Form was jumping into something major and moderating. I wouldn't expect that from a wolf, I would expect the wolves to want the heavy weights to keep throwing haymakers at eachother, Form hasn't done that though...he's stepped right in and well I'm quite glad, because now I can relax, and admit to going overboard with that pic. :rolleyes:

Edit: crossed with Nienna

alonariel

08-05-2009, 08:43 PM

I'm growing more wary of alonariel, based on the jump against me. Her post saying I was too defensive, and backing away by almost saying it was no big deal looks wolvish.

And the fact that I voted for Mac on the first Day? I won't deny it does look like I've been siding with him, but not purposely so. I only backed down after you explained yourself because I didn't want to give you any more reason to be on the defensive. It seems like you've been getting into a heated match with Mac as it is ;)

As for Brinn, I'm not sure her silence points towards her being a librarian, but she is one of the people I'm watching for wolvery.

Hakon just popped up, but where is Autume?

Feanor of the Peredhil

08-05-2009, 08:44 PM

I just think it's... annoying. :p

Your mom is annoying. :p

Hakon

08-05-2009, 08:46 PM

Now now, Fea and Shasta play nice or the wolves will eat you tonight.

Since I have to go soon I will make my vote now. I am going to run off my hunch that Alona is the snitch and vote her. I know it is only a gut feeling but still.

++Alona

Feanor of the Peredhil

08-05-2009, 08:54 PM

As for Brinn, I'm not sure her silence points towards her being a librarian, but she is one of the people I'm watching for wolvery.

I concur on both counts.

Brinniel

08-05-2009, 09:00 PM

Here again. Almost forgot about the Day (whoops)...

My vote for Nienna was based off a hunch I picked up from the tone of her posts. Disagree if you want, but it was my opinion and I don't regret it. Meanwhile, I actually did find Sally suspicious...but I found her so obviously wolfish I figured she probably wasn't one... Funny how one of the few times I make a sincere vote on Day 1, it looks suspicious. Go figure. :rolleyes: Though reading my post, I can kind of see why you see it that way. Though the same could be said for many other players.

So Nessa voted me based on a comment of Fea's about me? And now it seems Formy will vote me based on that vote. Okay, whatever.

But if that's how you feel go for it. I feel a bit guilty for my lack of being around and when I am, I'm too lazy to read some 100 posts thoroughly...so I probably deserve getting lynched. Anyway, if you all mutually decide to vote me, I'll probably just commit suicide because I'm goth and all. It'll make for the perfect narration. :D

Okay, now trying to be useful...

Nerwen's defensiveness makes her look more innocent to me. Hakon seems like just a confused newbie. If he is a wolf, he's taking advantage of his status and I'll be disappointed. Nienna's vote does make her look more innocent. I wonder if there were any wolf-on-wolf yesterDay. Possible, but considering how close it was, it would've been a risky move...especially for Day One.

No one else really rubs me one way or the other just yet. I have to get off the computer now (since I'm sharing one), but will be back later to vote. I'm clueless to who that vote will be for, but I hope it won't take too long to decide since it is time I lack. :/

X-ed since #173: Ooh, so now Nienna might vote me too? Yay! Go me. :smokin:

Formendacil

08-05-2009, 09:04 PM

As for Brinn, I'm not sure her silence points towards her being a librarian, but she is one of the people I'm watching for wolvery.

Brinn did say on the Admin thread that she preferred if the game didn't start until tomorrow (Thursday), the implication being that she was not going to be around much before then, but since she's playing anyway, I assume she isn't completely absent. In any case, it is never fair to discount a wolf on the basis of quietness. One or two of us have been indicted over the years on account of getting unusually giddy and posting too much, but Brinn, at least, has carried off the quiet, unassuming, lupine killer role before, if my memory serves.

And, really, the way this game is going, I think I'm finding myself exonerating mentally everyone in proportion to how much they're talking. It's not that Boro and Mac are innocent... but there's so much more reason I can grapple with to convince me they might be. Autume, to reflect the other side of the coin, is a big, black, question mark.

EDIT: x-ed with Brinn.

Feanor of the Peredhil

08-05-2009, 09:05 PM

So Nessa voted me based on a comment of Fea's about me? And now it seems Formy will vote me based on that vote. Okay, whatever.

Wait... what? I don't remember this. I don't remember actually saying anything about you... What did I supposedly say?

alonariel

08-05-2009, 09:09 PM

Brinn did say on the Admin thread that she preferred if the game didn't start until tomorrow (Thursday), the implication being that she was not going to be around much before then, but since she's playing anyway, I assume she isn't completely absent. In any case, it is never fair to discount a wolf on the basis of quietness. One or two of us have been indicted over the years on account of getting unusually giddy and posting too much, but Brinn, at least, has carried off the quiet, unassuming, lupine killer role before, if my memory serves.

I can sympathize with not having enough time. The main reason I've been posting so much today is because I stayed home sick from work :(

Brinniel

08-05-2009, 09:12 PM

Wait... what? I don't remember this. I don't remember actually saying anything about you... What did I supposedly say?

Here:

Brinn -> Nienna - this vote puts Nienna in the lead before Sally and is obviously suspicious. I might be paranoid, but her reasons look a bit fabricated.

I wasn't terribly concerned with your comment since you tend to suspect me early, but Nessa jumped on it rather quickly.

Brinn, at least, has carried off the quiet, unassuming, lupine killer role before, if my memory serves.
I have been quiet before as both an innocent and wolf, so my role doesn't have an impact on how much I post. I'm usually quiet because I lack time or I don't have anything worthy to say.

Okay, really have to go now...

Shastanis Althreduin

08-05-2009, 09:12 PM

Wait... what? I don't remember this. I don't remember actually saying anything about you... What did I supposedly say?

Nessa only mentioned Mac making a comment about you, not Fea, Brinn.

Edit: X'ed with Alonariel and Brinn. That comment was made by Mac, not Fea. At least according to Nessa.

Brinniel

08-05-2009, 09:14 PM

Nessa only mentioned Mac making a comment about you, not Fea, Brinn.
Wait, am I mixing the two up? If so, it must be because Mac's new avatar confuses me. *smacks self*

Formendacil

08-05-2009, 09:15 PM

Funny how one of the few times I make a sincere vote on Day 1, it looks suspicious. Go figure.
...

Okay, whatever.
...

It'll make for the perfect narration. :D

....

Yay! Go me. :smokin:

Is anyone else somewhat spooked by Brinn's flippant response to her somewhat-threatened lynching?

I realise I tend to base my judgements of people's roles in this game entirely too much on my read of their character--which means the newer the player, the more out to lunch I can be--but this seems ridiculously out of character for Brinn--or an innocent Brinn anyway.

An innocent Brinn, I'm thinking, would be royally ticked off at us for planning to kill her RIGHT before she can get more involved in the game (Brinn is a WW fiend, last I checked). So why is she so casual?

Because Brinn is an old hand at this, and won't make the same mistake Sally did. She won't overreact, go into hysterics, and try to argue her way out, beyond the brief acknowledgement that:

Though reading my post, I can kind of see why you see it that way

Which, if you ask me, is probably the sneakiest way to deflect the questions: don't focus on them, acknowledge them, and pretend they're minor.

It's all just a little too smooth for me... Rather than allaying my fears, as I expected a defensive Brinn to do when she finally got a chance to come online, this Brinn is cheerfully ready to go to the gallows, if that's what we decide.

Funnily, though, no mention of how it's not going to help the village any if we're down an innocent...

Shastanis Althreduin

08-05-2009, 09:19 PM

Funnily, though, no mention of how it's not going to help the village any if we're down an innocent...

I would have thought that would have been obvious... funnily enough, I don't see you mentioning the same thing in regard to Nerwen and Fea earlier in the day, this not-mentioning-the-obvious.

Formendacil

08-05-2009, 09:25 PM

I would have thought that would have been obvious... funnily enough, I don't see you mentioning the same thing in regard to Nerwen and Fea earlier in the day, this not-mentioning-the-obvious.

Given that I didn't really reply in depth to either Fea or Nerwen, I'm not sure what you're getting at. Granted, that was also a bit of a throwaway line, tacked on because it occurred to me at the last moment, and agreed with the general tack of the post as it was already being composed--but hardly a serious argument in its own right.

It is, of course, quite ridiculously obvious. Maybe it's just the sense I get from Brinn--which is what I was trying to emphasize--a sense of slightly forced "the devil may care." Brinn's actions would have seemed normal to me, early in the day, when things can go one way or another, but we're into the homestretch now, and it just seems like she's trying too hard to blow us off the scent.

Macalaure

08-05-2009, 09:28 PM

I still think Boro is the snitch hiding behind the mask of a tricksy ordo. If you don't think so, have it your way. Let's hope his help to the librarians won't be crucial, or that I'm wrong.

None of the people I thought were innocent earlier managed to change that, except that I'm a bit wary of Form. I see no reason to go after Nessa or Fea either, which leaves Brinn and autume. Autume hasn't shown up yet. Not sure what to do with Brinn. Her defensiveness doesn't make me feel better. I like Form's points.

And yes, that was my comment, not Fea's.

Shastanis Althreduin

08-05-2009, 09:31 PM

An innocent Brinn, I'm thinking, would be royally ticked off at us for planning to kill her RIGHT before she can get more involved in the game (Brinn is a WW fiend, last I checked). So why is she so casual?

Could be an innocent Brinn who hasn't had time to invest properly in the game, and is an ordo, so doesn't particularly care? I find Nessa's points against Brinn to be good, but this makes me think you're pushing a little hard for a Brinn-lynch.

Feanor of the Peredhil

08-05-2009, 09:36 PM

I intend to vote tonight for somebody with the least amount of posts, either Hakon or Nessa. Since I don't have a solid wolf suspect, I prefer to rid the village of quiet unknowns while we still have the numbers to safely do it.

Macalaure

08-05-2009, 09:43 PM

I'm about to fall asleep, so I will have to vote now.

Autume hasn't been around, so I don't think I'll vote for her.
Brinn I suspect of librarianism most right now, but I think she deserves the benefit of the doubt since she will likely be more active toMorrow.

That leaves Boro, but only because of the special power of the snitch.

++Boromir88

I hope you will end up lynching one of these three in the end. Don't do something... hasty... while I'm asleep.

Oh, Fea, if you're really only after the quiet ones, consider Autume, too, please. :)

Brinniel

08-05-2009, 09:48 PM

An innocent Brinn, I'm thinking, would be royallyb ticked off at us for planning to kill her RIGHT before she can get more involved in the game (Brinn is a WW fiend, last I checked). So why is she so casual?
In all honesty, because I've lost my enthusiasm for WW in the last couple months. I'm trying, but I'm not sure why it feels like such a struggle. I want to play, but I just can't get myself to be my usual thoughtful self. Maybe it's the heat. Or maybe it's because I'm short on time and it's a bit of an effort to post at all (and I feel bad I'm stealing someone's computer for this). I'm sure I'll be back to my old self in the fall, especially considering the environment I'll be living in. ;)

I feel stupid enough as it is that in the little contribution I've made, I managed to mistaken identities. Still, I blame Mac for changing his avatar. I can't remember him ever changing it before, so why confuse me now? :p

If you lynched me I'll not be too concerned since one wolf is already out of the way. Unless I have any strong suspicions for another contender, I'd rather see me go than a more helpful innocent. But still, I must admit I find all this bandwagoning against me a bit ridiculous. :rolleyes:

Feanor of the Peredhil

08-05-2009, 09:51 PM

Oh, Fea, if you're really only after the quiet ones, consider Autume, too, please. :)

It's funny... in order of least participation, it goes Nessa, Hakon, Nienna, Brinn, autume, etcetera. But what's funny is that I can think of things that Nienna posted, and Brinn, a bit, and Hakon, and Nessa (though I remember more what Brinn said about Nessa than what Nessa said)... but I can't think of a single thing that autume has said.

*is thoughtful*

Nienna

08-05-2009, 09:59 PM

Though Brinn is high on my suspicion list I'm going to give her one more day to have more participation. I'm not thinking that Mac or Boro are particularly guilty even though they were at each others' throats. I agree with Fea though that I'd rather lynch someone who isn't participating.

Hence:

++ Autume

Goodnight.

Feanor of the Peredhil

08-05-2009, 10:00 PM

++Nessa

For a negligible post count.

autume98

08-05-2009, 10:04 PM

Sorry I haven't been around. RL got a little crazy today. Just got caught up in reading some of the posts. Looks like a lot has been happening especially between Boro and Mac.

Not sure what to think of Brinn. I can understand being busy yet at the same time her vote yesterDay does look suspicious.

Edit: x-ed with #193 to this one

Brinniel

08-05-2009, 10:05 PM

Brinn I suspect of librarianism most right now, but I think she deserves the benefit of the doubt since she will likely be more active toMorrow.
Actually, chances are I won't be here at all toMorrow, not even to vote. Well, maybe I will in the first hour of the Day if I must. After that I should be posting more frequently, up until the following Monday (the 17th)...but chances are I'll be dead by then.

I'm tired and really ought to vote soon. Fea feels alright to me. Formy's persistence against me feels a bit odd, but not enough to vote for. I could vote Nessa since I feel her jumping on someone else's suspicion is suspicious. Or I could go with Fea in voting for a quiet player even less helpful than I've been.

EDIT: X-ed since #194

Formendacil

08-05-2009, 10:06 PM

Funnily enough, Brinn's explanation for flippancy almost convinces me... but not quite. Or, rather, barring Brinn I haven't got any wolf-candidates, and while I approve of culling the silent, I can't quite justify it when there is the possibility of a real wolf.

I'd intended to stick around longer--like yesterDay--but that wrought havoc with my cold last time I did that, and I have two days yet to work this week... best not to risk it.

++ Brinniel

Shastanis Althreduin

08-05-2009, 10:11 PM

Vote Count

Nessa - Brinn (Brinn1)
Hakon - Alonariel (Brinn1, Alonariel1)
Mac - Boro (Brinn1, Alonariel1, Boro1)
Nienna - Autume (Brinn1, Alonariel1, Boro1, Autume1)
Fea - Nessa (Brinn1, Alonariel1, Boro1, Autume1, Nessa1)
Form - Brinn (Brinn2, Alonariel1, Boro1, Autume1, Nessa1)

I will likely vote for Mac, Boro, or Form today - the former for suspicions talked about earlier, the latter for his insistence on a Brinn-lynch based on very shaky ground, and the median for his gifted-exposing stunt earlier.

Brinniel

08-05-2009, 10:15 PM

Hmm...let's have some fun with this:

++Brinn

(I've always wanted to do that)

:Merisu:

Boromir88

08-05-2009, 10:21 PM

*shakes head at both Shasta and Brinn* What in high heavens?

P.S. for anyone following Top Chef, there's a replay on...I honestly think they replay if 5 times in a row, and of course through out the week. :p

autume98

08-05-2009, 10:25 PM

I don't know Boro well enough to know whether or not to believe him. However since I'm the type to at least give them the benefit of the doubt, I'll believe him for now.

I'm not sure what Mac was trying to accomplish by going after Boro. Since I believe Boro is innocent for now it makes it look like an attack by Mac. However I don't feel comfortable voting for him at this time.

Now I know Brinn's vote yesterDay looks suspicious, but at this time I don't think she is a wolf.

Since I wasn't giving a lot of input today, I'm not comfortable voting for someone else who wasn't putting in a lot of input as that would be hypocritical.

That doesn't leave me with a lot of choices. However I do see where Shasta is coming for and possibly voting for Form. I don't feel her reasons well enough to vote for Brinn. Yet I'm not sure that Form is a wolf either.

So I think I'm not going to vote tonight. Unless someone ends up looking really suspicious here in the next 36 minutes.

Edit: x-ed with Brinn and Boro

Brinniel

08-05-2009, 10:37 PM

Btw, WW totally made me forget to call in and vote my favourite dancer.

<-----------

But thank goodness I have family on the west coast who will vote for me, so I'm cool. :cool:

Where is everyone, anyway? It seems awfully quiet considering deadline is only 25 minutes away...

Boromir88

08-05-2009, 10:37 PM

Brinn...do you want to be lynched?

Brinniel

08-05-2009, 10:40 PM

Brinn...do you want to be lynched?
Not particularly, being innocent and all. But I won't be too upset if I am since I'm only an ordo and a bit useless.

Boromir88

08-05-2009, 10:42 PM

Not particularly, being innocent and all. But I won't be too upset if I am since I'm only an ordo and a bit useless.

If you're lynched and innocent than you're useless, but right now you're not or at least have a chance

Brinniel

08-05-2009, 10:51 PM

Good to know, because I'm at least trying to be useful. Didn't expect to become the center of attention toDay, though. :rolleyes:

But seriously, where is everyone? Strange that I'm actually more active than a lot of players right now.

Boromir88

08-05-2009, 10:52 PM

So...don't know where anyone is...and umm completely confused about Brinn...she votes for herself, yet says she would prefer not to be lynched...

argh...

Edit: crossed with Brinn...exactly.

Shastanis Althreduin

08-05-2009, 10:53 PM

Brinn, I really hope you don't actually mean that vote...

Edit: X'ed with Boro.

Brinniel

08-05-2009, 10:55 PM

So...don't know where anyone is...and umm completely confused about Brinn...she votes for herself, yet says she would prefer not to be lynched...
You didn't think I was actually being serious, did you? Well you see, I've never used a retractable either (at least not that I can remember), so I figured toDay was the Day to try something new (and fun). ;)

--Brinn

EDIT: X-ed with Shasta

Boromir88

08-05-2009, 10:56 PM

++alonariel

autume's list looks a little rushed, but some of it looks innocent at the moment. Like...

Since I wasn't giving a lot of input today, I'm not comfortable voting for someone else who wasn't putting in a lot of input as that would be hypocritical.

I feel no issue in being hypocritical, but each to their own.

And alonariel because...well she told me why she backed off, but it's still sneaky, not wanting to give me more reason to defend myself?

Edit: crossed with Brinn and Shasta...sometimes Brinn I seek my own lynch to get away even if I'm innocent

alonariel

08-05-2009, 10:56 PM

I'm not quite sure if I should vote for someone who has not been participating all that much, or if I should go with who I think I suspect of evil-doing. Or at least, evil-assisting.

I still can't shake the feeling that Mac might be something other than innocent, and sadly can't put very eloquently into words why I feel like that. It's a hunch at this point. His heated fighting with Boro made me think for a moment than one was good, one was evil, but I can't say for sure who's on which side right now. Another possibility is that they were fighting each other to cast suspicion off of themselves as being fellow librarians.

This theory makes sense further when Boro accused me of sided with Mac one too many times, which, I admit, was fishy, but purely coincidence. It's already worked to persuade Hakon to vote for me. Boro seems like a very theatrical player, and I'm seeing it work to his advantage. And then we have Form, who moderated the fight between Mac and Boro very skillfully. I'm not quite sure where he falls, either.

Then there's the people who haven't posted a lot. I'm not going to list them or even those I believe to be wholly innocent, but for toDay, I'm going to be basing my vote on my strongest of feelings, and give the infrequent posters the benefit of the doubt for now.

So, after a long winded post:

++Boro

Brinniel

08-05-2009, 10:56 PM

Anyway, I'd like to vote for Nessa as she seems most suspicious of all the options, but I'm waiting to see who my competition is.

EDIT: X-ed since my last post

Shastanis Althreduin

08-05-2009, 10:57 PM

Scary thing to do so close to DL, Brinn. :eek:

++Boro

Vote Count

Nessa - Brinn (Brinn1)
Hakon - Alonariel (Brinn1, Alonariel1)
Mac - Boro (Brinn1, Alonariel1, Boro1)
Nienna - Autume (Brinn1, Alonariel1, Boro1, Autume1)
Fea - Nessa (Brinn1, Alonariel1, Boro1, Autume1, Nessa1)
Form - Brinn (Brinn2, Alonariel1, Boro1, Autume1, Nessa1)
Brinn - Brinn (Brinn3, Alonariel1, Boro1, Autume1, Nessa1)
Brinn - --Brinn (Brinn2, Alonariel1, Boro1, Autume1, Nessa1)
Boro - Alonariel (Brinn2, Alonariel2, Boro1, Autume1, Nessa1)
Alonariel - Boro (Brinn2, Alonariel2, Boro2, Autume1, Nessa1)
Shasta - Boro (Brinn2, Alonariel1, Boro3, Autume1, Nessa1)

Edit: X'ed with Boro, Alonariel, and Brinn, and updated the votes.

Boromir88

08-05-2009, 11:00 PM

--Alonariel

++Brinn

Brinniel

08-05-2009, 11:00 PM

I don't know if I want to see Boro go just yet. I feel pretty neutral about him now and would hate to see him lynched if innocent:

++alonariel

Brinniel

08-05-2009, 11:00 PM

Dang Boro, I try to save you and look what you do. :rolleyes:

Mirandir

08-05-2009, 11:02 PM

No more talking for the Day. Please delete any posts made after this one. :)

Death will be up soon, Lari and I just have to tally and double check the votes.

Mirandir

08-05-2009, 11:06 PM

Boro is dead. It was a tie between him and Brinn in the end. Brinn was assigned to even numbers, Boro to odd. Our impartial friend picked 17, meaning Boro died. He was a wolf. Narration will be up at some point tomorrow.

Mirandir

08-05-2009, 11:58 PM

Boro stood in the kitchen of the school diligently washing the bowl he had made his mac and cheese in shortly before. He had not been a fan of the buffet-style food provided for him by his hosts and had disappeared into the kitchen in search of the Jello shots Mira had mentioned earlier. While going through the cupboards, he found a box of his favorite meal, Kraft macaroni and cheese - specifically The Cheesiest.

Meanwhile, in the auditorium, debates were raging about who should be lynched that Day. Well, it was less like "raging" and more like "a few people speaking up while others sat in the corner not contributing or were nowhere to be found."

"What about Alona?" Hakon asked, saying he was suspicious but failing to elaborate as to why.

"Yeah, she looks good enough to vote for!" Brinn added after jokingly voting for herself and retracting.

"No no," Mac chimed in, "Boro looks much suspicious!"

"Yeah!" Shasta agreed. "Let's get Boro!"

"I think Brinn is the better choice," Form added.

"But what about Nessa?" Fea asked. "She voted for Brinn in her second post of the Day with no real case against her!"But no one listened to poor Fea. Or Nienna, for that matter, who threw her two cents behind Autume.

"It's between Brinn and me then," Boro decreed as he cast the tying vote. "What do we do now?"

Suddenly, out of nowhere, the disembodied voice of sally boomed out of the ceiling. "I decide Boro should die. That way we can be together foreeever!" With a cackle, she was gone.

The others cast sketched-out glances at each other before shrugging.

"Okay then. It's decided." Alona grabbed the samurai sword that Boro had brought with him to the reunion for the purpose of showing off and led the march to the kitchen.

Boro hummed merrily to himself something to the tune of "Oh I love mac and cheese, yes I do, I love mac and cheese, how 'bout you?" as he washed his dish. He turned at the sound of the door opening, and opened his mouth in greeting when he was run through with his own sword.

"What..." the question died on his lips as he slid to the ground. While his blood continued to stain the ceramic tiles beneath him, his true identity was revealed. Boro was a wolf. And now he was dead. The village had found two of the were-librarians.

The Living:
Fea, Freshman comp professor/slave
Hakon
Autume98, Computer geek who keeps to herself and no one really knows
Nerwen, Ex-cheerleader with a job that sounds horribly more glamorous than it is
Nessa Telrunya
Nienna, Artsy kid that couldn't be dragged out of the art room so she stayed there
Mac, Shy kid
Shasta, Rebel with nothing to rebel against but still looks cool
Formendacil, Eater of Kraft dinners while getting his Doctorate in Inane Uselessness
Alonariel, Nurse who never sleeps
Brinn, the goth kid everyone is afraid of

The Dead:
Lari, crushed by books~ Moddess
Mira, impaled by a v-cart~ Co-Moddess
Sally, tried to defy gravity and succeed by being hanged~ Were-Librarian
Wilwa, beaten with scanners~ Ordo
Boro, impaled with his own sword~ Were-Librarian

Night 3 has begun.

Lariren Shadow

08-06-2009, 10:34 PM

Form, after the debacle of voting, but the joy of getting another were-Librarian, decided to join the Mac and Cheese fest. Making his way to the kitchens to get the things needed to make said delight, Form turned a corner and found himself not where he should be, but in a library.

“Well this sucks,” he said. Turning around he noticed he was not near the books, but rather near the copier. It was glowing. Intrigued, Form decided to chance a look at it. What was one were-Librarian? He could take it.

Moving closer he saw there was a paper on it. Again, curious, he picked it up and turned it over. It said “You’re next”.

His head was slammed down on to the copier, repeatedly going through the glass on the top. His body gave a last twitch as the copier produced his face, getting smashed into the machine.

“Oh, those are a good way to show what I’ve done.” The last were-Librarian commented.

Hakon was the first to enter the room that the bodies had been piling up in. But Sally and Wilwa’s bodies had been removed. Sadly, not had the copies of Form’s death. Plastered all over the walls were copies of him dying, a kind of death mask coating the whole room.

Fea was the next to enter. “You know, if it wasn’t for the tragedy, this would actually look kind of cool.”

“I agree,” said Nienna, the artists in both of them liking the way the pictures were hung. “But its also horrible.”

“We should really find out who the last one is,” Brinn commented as she saw what was there. Alona and Nessa nodded in agreement.

“We should also take these down,” Mac suggested, moving to take them off the wall with the help of Shasta. Nerwen and Autume began to take them down from the other side, both slightly terrified of what was going on.

~*~*~*~*~*~*
Form’s sweetheart shed a tear for her lost love. But, she knew that vengeance was not entirely the answer. Though she hated the were-Librarian with a fiery passion, she decided instead to Google the histories of two of her fellow classmates and find out everything about them.

The Living:
Fea, Freshman comp professor/slave
Hakon
Autume98, Computer geek who keeps to herself and no one really knows
Nerwen, Ex-cheerleader with a job that sounds horribly more glamorous than it is
Nessa Telrunya
Nienna, Artsy kid that couldn't be dragged out of the art room so she stayed there
Mac, Shy kid
Shasta, Rebel with nothing to rebel against but still looks cool
Alonariel, Nurse who never sleeps
Brinn, the goth kid everyone is afraid of

The Dead:
Lari, crushed by books~ Moddess
Mira, impaled by a v-cart~ Co-Moddess
Sally, tried to defy gravity and succeed by being hanged~ Were-Librarian
Wilwa, beaten with scanners~ Ordo
Boro, impaled with his own sword~ Were-Librarian
Formendacil, beaten into a copier~ Lover

Day 3.

Nerwen

08-07-2009, 12:00 AM

What? No posts yet?

Shastanis Althreduin

08-07-2009, 12:17 AM

Well, there's one.

alonariel

08-07-2009, 12:19 AM

I've been on, but admittedly too timid to begin the post of a new day.

Raise your hand if you knew Form was one of the lovers?

Nerwen

08-07-2009, 12:34 AM

I've been on, but admittedly too timid to begin the post of a new day.

Raise your hand if you knew Form was one of the lovers?

No. I wonder if the wolf did. These aren't the usual lovers– I'd say the wolf would have wanted to avoid killing Form, since his better half now gets to be Seer- for-a-day.

By the way– it seems Boro and Sally were trying to impersonate the Lovers on Day One.

alonariel

08-07-2009, 12:39 AM

No. I wonder if the wolf did. These aren't the usual lovers– I'd say the wolf would have wanted to avoid killing Form, since his better half now gets to be Seer- for-a-day.

By the way– it seems Boro and Sally were trying to impersonate the Lovers on Day One.

Perhaps, but as there are still quite a few players on the board, it will make it harder for the Lover-turned-Seer to narrow down their two choices. Either way, our classmates are down another good guy now.

In hindsight, that's exactly what I thought as well. What worries me now, however, is Brinn's attempt to save Boro by voting for me on Day 2. Was she gullible and truly didn't believe he was evil? Or was she trying to sacrifice herself to save a wolf - in which case, she may possibly be the Snitch.

Nerwen

08-07-2009, 01:01 AM

Or was she trying to sacrifice herself to save a wolf - in which case, she may possibly be the Snitch.

Quite likely... look at her dialogue with Boro near the DL.

Nerwen

08-07-2009, 01:04 AM

I missed most of the drama yesterDay– all I can say is I'm surprised Boro wasn't unanimously lynched after his little "Hakon, tell the class why you think Mac is the Ranger" stunt. But then, I'm surprised he made a mistake like that in the first place.

EDT:fixed typo that gave the opposite meaning to what I intended.

alonariel

08-07-2009, 01:10 AM

I missed most of the drama yesterDay– all I can say is I'm surprised Boro was unanimously lynched after his little "Hakon, tell the class why you think Mac is the Ranger" stunt. But then, I'm surprised he made a mistake like that in the first place.

It seems that two out of the three librarians in this game have been playing themselves as wolves almost too obvious to even be thought as wolves. It makes me wonder - though, not hope - if the third wolf will keep a lower profile than his/her other two, deceased counterparts. S/he is quite outnumbered at this point.

alonariel

08-07-2009, 01:15 AM

Nerwen

08-07-2009, 01:26 AM

Nerwen, does it surprise you he was lynched even after he was revealed to be a wolf?

Sorry, that's a typo. I meant to write "I'm surprised Boro wasn't unanimously lynched."

Better fix that.

Nessa Telrunya

08-07-2009, 05:54 AM

Well, since there's only one librarian left, at least we may be able to figure out a pattern to the Night killings. When there are three wolves, it's almost impossible, but a lone baddie would have been trying to save themselves since they're so outnumbered now.

So who would want Form dead?:eek:

autume98

08-07-2009, 06:15 AM

Here's a list of all the posts that Form made on Days 1 and 2. I wasn't sure what to include and what not to include. Hopefully this will help.

Fea, Fea--that's just mean! Using the Internet against me, and before I've even had a chance to shower after a weekend-long camping trip! And while reading up on (an admittedly shortish) Day 1 at that! For shame!

I shall not, however, hold it against you... since it's my own fault I'm not, probably, invisible yet...

I shall go see to that...

Not to pre-empt Mac's ability to answer the query, which was his to answer, after all, but speaking from my own Day 1 position (which everyone will remember, if they played "back in high school," is based on the fundamental assertion that Day 1 is useless until after the fact), what Mac says makes sense.

On Day 1 there is no trend to anyone's silence, for the very reason that there's no trend to anything. Lists are useless enough to begin with on Day 1 (a point brought up by Mac which I must appreciate... even though he goes on to list the list-makers. However, if one is to go so far as to list people, it makes no sense to list the silent ones toDay, since there's more nothing to list about them than about the people who HAVE been talking.

I need a shower and I fear I'm getting my sister's cold from camping, but I'm here, and, I must confess, I'm still not seeing anything in Day 1 to point to criminal guilt other than the wildest of readings-into.

Hakon's tag-along vote for Sally, coming right after Nienna's for the same, looks opportunist in the same way Boro thinks Sally's tag-along vote for Nerwen appears that way. Of the two, I'm inclined to chasten Sally more for this, both because it's earlier and I've come to expect more originality from her--Hakon is still an unknown to me, so I can't comment. Of course, it is still Day 1... but that's a card even I shouldn't overplay.

This is a reply to Boro's question to Mac about how leaving non-posters out of list making speaks in their favor.
Now... I've sat out a lot of these games since I was a carefree pre-university student, and I've not read most of the ones I've missed, so there's a lot of WW-culture current that I'm not up with--but one thing I have picked up on is that Nienna has something of an unreasonable penchant for being unreasonably lynched on Days 1. Which means that, coupled with Mac's almost immediate reply to Nienna's post--a Day-ending post, suggesting she won't be back before the end of the Day to defend herself--I am really not liking Mac's quoted post. It's a little too easy. He sees a couple bandwaggons, says he doesn't like them, and then expresses this by starting--potentially--one of the easiest Day 1 bandwaggons there is?

I'd rather vote for a Sally-- or Nerwen--waggon at this point, than jump on that.

Oh dear--my abject apologies on that matter. I can't seem to find a post by you to that effect at all... nor can I seem to find it by anyone else, though I have yet just enough faith in my earlier self to assume I wasn't making it up. This is a trifle embarrassing, but as I've had rather a heady weekend, I hope it won't prove trend-setting.

Bother...

*goes to see if he can find whatever post he attributed to Boro*

I was really quite hoping for someone to slip and declare their wolvery, or maybe for the wisdom of Solomon to cleave someone's fact from their fiction, or barring all that, maybe a good, old-fashioned, divine revelation...

But no. I'm getting steadily sicker and more confuséd.

Nerwen's protests have me chivalrously afraid to vote her. Sally's bandwaggon is admittedly weak--I agree full about her point re: Hakon, and I've already said I don't get Mac's Nienna vote.

Where does this leave me?

I dunno... the only real discord clear to me is Hakon's vote, which could be newblerie as easier as wolvery.

But you work with what you've got...

++ Hakon

Well, said Form, I'm back...

Which is to say that I've read over the thread, with greater detail here, less detail there. Unfortunately, as usual, I'm not having wolves leap out of the shadows and declare themselves--which is a crying shame, since that means I can look forward to the tedious task of trying to sort things out the old-fashioned way.

On the very recent (relative to the rest of the day) note that Mac could be a Gifted/Wolf and Boro would be stupendously foolish to point out the former if that's the case... I haven't got any good reasons for thinking it at the moment, but as far as all that goes, my gut is on the side of Boromir and says that Mac could be a WW. The point was raised earlier that I might be a late-coming wolf voting Hakon in the hopes of saving Sally--I'm not, but I'm not so young at this as to think you'll take my word for it. :smokin: The point has also already been made, I think, that Mac could have been doing the same thing with his Nienna vote. Oddly, perhaps, that line of reasoning doesn't especially bother me--if, indeed, it's true (as we cannot tell till the post-game) what Mac says about not knowing Nienna's Day 1 Death-Penchant. Perhaps this is just me and the skewed perspective of having visited said Downer.

However... even if Mac didn't seem guilty on the start-a-different-bandwaggon note, he does seem extra jumpy about Boro at the moment, and as I don't really know what to make of that, I'm inclined to ascribe it to Wolvery.

More anon...

Well, I'll do my best--expecting, of course, that even if it satisfies you, Boro, it'll give someone else cause for complaint. Anyway, it is part confusion--but not because I came in late in the Day. I did, of course, but I had hours enough to catch myself up to the action--just. I could argue, all the same, that it was post-Long Weekend exhaustion, mixed with the brain-buzzing beginnings of a head cold, but while that undoubtedly didn't contribute anything useful, it'd be unsporting to give my physical state late in Day 1 much leverage.

(Although... I still have the cold today, and absolutely puttered my way through work in a sitting standstill, so if you want to feel sorry for me, now's the day to do it--the cold's worse--but fuzzy though the edges of my skull are, I still think I can reason and gut-instinct with my usual catastrophe.)

Anyway, what was basically going through my mind yesterDay was what I told Mac about his vote for Nienna: I really didn't like it, for the simple reason that it came, more or less to my eyes, out of nowhere, and--given the knowledge stowed away in some back compartment of my mind about Nienna being the new Saucepan Person for an abnormally high Day 1 deathrate, it seemed--if any vote on Day 1 can seem so--like a potentially malicious vote. More obviously so that than the whole morass of Nerwen and Sally

You also have to remember, Boro that yesterday was a Day 1. I may have decided that Mac's vote for Nienna was wrong, but that's hardly enough of a reason right there to jump on a Sally or Nerwen bandwaggon. Who to vote for then? Well, the usual Day 1 conditions held, and I went for someone who wasn't objectively all that suspicious, but had just touched my instincts the wrong way, so felt more appropriate than a jump-on bandwaggon vote. Call me timid, but I don't like casting potentially decisive votes on Day 1. Given that I don't feel there are generally any good reasons to think someone's guilty on Day 1, it simply puts way too much emphasis on a vote I'd rather not make. If we'd have gone by mere alarm-setting off, I'd have voted Mac, but I'm still good enough at second-guessing myself to say that that would have been the usual Day 1-jumping-at-shadows.

Although my gut's still on Boro's side here, you do bring up an interesting point--I'd completely forgotten about the Cobbler. That would, certainly, put a whole different dimension on yesterday's events. The thought occurred to me, reading over yesterday's posts, that the whole Boro and Sally smooch-fest might have been one or the other's attempt to play at the Lovers--I did not think it likely that both would have done that, but in the same way a genuine Boro-Innocent would impersonate a seer to protect the seer, I could see a Boro-Cobbler impersonating a Lover to confuse the seer--and I could see Sally having played along with with it either way.

But I'm still not sold on it. Boromir's reasoning makes sense to me, and, anyway, I'm not sure why he would have picked Sally. If, as a Cobbler, he thought her innocent, then he's giving shelter to an Innocent--which makes no sense. If he thought her a wolf, it certainly would certainly give her protection, if the seer bought it--but would the seer buy it? And what reason would Boro-Cobbler have for thinking Sally a wolf at that stage in the game?

Yeah... not sold on it...

And Brinn has earned a vote. That's... actually not a bad case, prima facie, but I don't know if I like it yet. Nessa seems to be one of those players that stays comfortably below the surface--or, in other words, I can't read her.

If I may play conciliator, Mac need not have meant "what Boro himself would do as a Cobbler" so much as "what a cobbler, who might be Boro might do as a Cobbler"--which is quite another thing entirely. Of course, especially as I'm reading this into the single quote snippet in Boro's last post, if, in fact, Mac is imputing that he can delve into Boro's very psyche and retrieve the secrets of his probable actions--then, by all means, continue to pursue this course of argument. If nothing else, the defences Boro mounts and the attacks Mac offers should afford the rest of us the chance to pick out more of a vibe on both you.:D

Ermm... occasionally, yes... but so often on the order of a red herring or a complete accident that it'd be foolish at best, in my opinion, to base an argument on it. The same goes for locations and signatures.

Of course, after the game these things can be the most blatant of referents back, but in-game I've never seen them indicative.

Caveat: I could be horribly wrong. 'tis possible...

Now... I'm torn... I don't claim to have an instinctual feel of how Boro plays, but him being noisy, excited, and too touchy is, I think, typical enough that none of the alarms are going off.

But...

But...

He's really taking this "mac and cheese" thing to heart. And I can't decide if it's an Innocent that's revelling in post-Kentian* ability to give us silly pictures of himself... or if he's a wild-eyed cobbler revelling in his tailor-made role... or a wolf that's trying too hard.

I don't lean towards the last, and the other two are indistinguishable, half the time, until the endgame or postgame. And while I agree with Mac that we should bag a Cobbler if we can, and call it a victory, I still think there's hope of catching the real thing.

To this end, I'm especially thinking of Brinn, chiefly for the reasons Nessa gave in voting her, and I'm not averse at the moment to doing the same. If anyone has a reason not to, now's the time to talk me out of it.

*To the unaware newer members... it's a long story. The synopsis is that Boro has not shared pictures online for most of his several year BD membership.

I understand this... the mac and cheese thing was purely a slip of the fingers, completely and utterly unrelated to the game. It's just the energy of the matter that has me thinking.

Your point, about actively flushing out the wolves is well taken. I have no issue with the point, from a purely philosophical standpoint. The thing is, though, I'm also a philosopher enough to admit to myself that I can't tell any difference between a worked up Boromir who's innocent, and a lupine Boromir who might be leading us down the garden path.

For what it's worth, I don't think you're a wolf, and since I do incline to think Brinn is a wolf, you're not likely to get my vote today... and depending how the vote goes, who dies tonight, etc, etc, we'll see how the longterm views you.

The fact that you're so irritated Mac can't agree with you on this point amuses me to no end, and somewhat raises your stocks in my mind. It is, as I see it, almost exactly like myself and Nogrod when we happen to play together. If we're both innocent, we'll destroy each other by Day 3 because we think exactly the opposite in terms of strategy and philosophy about this game. In other words... good luck with converting him!

Anyway, although I'm easy enough to lure into these theory-of-the-game arguments, I think (remembering Nogrod...), we may be arguing ourselves away from the wolves at this point. I don't think Mac is a wolf, and I don't think Boro is a wolf. I guess this means I ought to move on to someone I DO think is a wolf.:rolleyes:

Brinn did say on the Admin thread that she preferred if the game didn't start until tomorrow (Thursday), the implication being that she was not going to be around much before then, but since she's playing anyway, I assume she isn't completely absent. In any case, it is never fair to discount a wolf on the basis of quietness. One or two of us have been indicted over the years on account of getting unusually giddy and posting too much, but Brinn, at least, has carried off the quiet, unassuming, lupine killer role before, if my memory serves.

And, really, the way this game is going, I think I'm finding myself exonerating mentally everyone in proportion to how much they're talking. It's not that Boro and Mac are innocent... but there's so much more reason I can grapple with to convince me they might be. Autume, to reflect the other side of the coin, is a big, black, question mark.

EDIT: x-ed with Brinn.

Is anyone else somewhat spooked by Brinn's flippant response to her somewhat-threatened lynching?

I realise I tend to base my judgements of people's roles in this game entirely too much on my read of their character--which means the newer the player, the more out to lunch I can be--but this seems ridiculously out of character for Brinn--or an innocent Brinn anyway.

An innocent Brinn, I'm thinking, would be royally ticked off at us for planning to kill her RIGHT before she can get more involved in the game (Brinn is a WW fiend, last I checked). So why is she so casual?

Because Brinn is an old hand at this, and won't make the same mistake Sally did. She won't overreact, go into hysterics, and try to argue her way out, beyond the brief acknowledgement that:

Which, if you ask me, is probably the sneakiest way to deflect the questions: don't focus on them, acknowledge them, and pretend they're minor.

It's all just a little too smooth for me... Rather than allaying my fears, as I expected a defensive Brinn to do when she finally got a chance to come online, this Brinn is cheerfully ready to go to the gallows, if that's what we decide.

Funnily, though, no mention of how it's not going to help the village any if we're down an innocent...

Given that I didn't really reply in depth to either Fea or Nerwen, I'm not sure what you're getting at. Granted, that was also a bit of a throwaway line, tacked on because it occurred to me at the last moment, and agreed with the general tack of the post as it was already being composed--but hardly a serious argument in its own right.

It is, of course, quite ridiculously obvious. Maybe it's just the sense I get from Brinn--which is what I was trying to emphasize--a sense of slightly forced "the devil may care." Brinn's actions would have seemed normal to me, early in the day, when things can go one way or another, but we're into the homestretch now, and it just seems like she's trying too hard to blow us off the scent.

Funnily enough, Brinn's explanation for flippancy almost convinces me... but not quite. Or, rather, barring Brinn I haven't got any wolf-candidates, and while I approve of culling the silent, I can't quite justify it when there is the possibility of a real wolf.

I'd intended to stick around longer--like yesterDay--but that wrought havoc with my cold last time I did that, and I have two days yet to work this week... best not to risk it.

++ Brinniel

Nessa Telrunya

08-07-2009, 06:29 AM

Thanks for getting those together, Tum, that saves a lot of trouble.

My conclusion, is that, were last Night's kill to be a revenge, it would point to either Hakon or Brinn. But that would be too obvious, both of them are smarter than to do something that blatantly points to them.

Any thoughts?

Macalaure

08-07-2009, 07:14 AM

Boro and Form dead... that means a lot of analysing work toDay. I'm happy that both were quite occupied with me yesterDay. Since I know what I am, I can skip all that. :)

I still wonder about the wilwa-kill. Since Boro pulled two tricks to flush out gifteds, the librarians are very aware how dangerous those are. But why did they think wilwa could be gifted? Maybe they're applying more than one strategy at a time...

I wouldn't be surprised if they killed Form because the snitch gave them the name.

Let's analyse Boro and Form then:

Day1:

Plus his observation about the Nerwen votes, that seems an odd choice...Nerwen?

The openness of this statement, encouraging Nerwen's voters (Sally among them) to elaborate instead of dissuading people, gives me even more confidence in Nerwen's innocence.

Boro votes autume. Now, this could easily be lib-on-lib, however, coupled with the wilwa-kill - maybe the objective was simply not to kill the snitch? I do feel moderately better about autume now. I'm not sure what to think of Boro's "Why do you think autume is guilty then?" on Day2.

Form mainly pursues Hakon and defends Nienna on Day1.

Day2:

Boro is friendly with Fea throughout, suggesting to me that he's trying to win her unexpected trust, but I'm not sure.

He said Nienna looks most innocent, but he couldn't have otherwise - it was obvious. He's worried about Form's vote for Hakon, could be both an attempt to make Form look bad and one to defend Hakon.

#168 has to be treated with care, since Boro was already under pressure and made this post to appear helpful. Nerwen, Shasta and Nienna are innocent to him, but the reasons are so obvious that this doesn't change anything. He feels ok about Hakon, but is still watching him (keeping him innocent yet in nowhere-land makes me slightly suspicious). Autume and Brinn are getting a pass for not being there (watchworthy). He tries to set up alonariel as a scapegoat, which makes her look innocent.

He then picks up a point of Hakon against Form, making Hakon look worse.

The exchange between Boro and Brinn looks to me like Boro is trying to figure out whether Brinn is the snitch.

Form is almost totally immersed in the Boro-Mac thing at first, then strongly goes after Brinniel.

I daresay that Brinniel is one of the two the remaining lover will surely dream of, and I think it's a good choice.

Now, the votes:

Nessa -> Brinn (no reason to suspect)
Hakon -> Alona (very suspicious since it's after Boro brought her up as a scapegoat, then again, it's before any votes for Boro)
Mac -> Boro
Nienna -> autume (no reason to suspect)
Fea -> Nessa (not sure what to think)
Form -> Brinn
Brinn -> Brinn (peculiar)
Boro -> Alona
Alona -> Boro (makes her look very innocent)
Shasta -> Boro (same)
Boro --Alona -> Brinn
Brinn --Brinn -> Alona (suspicious, of course)

Bottom line:

Suspicious (in order):

Hakon (see above)
Brinn (I don't think she's a librarian, because if she were, I'm sure the plan to save Boro would have worked. She's a top snitch candidate, though. Form would be Brinn's natural choice to make the librarians dream of.)
Autume (some evidence looks suspicious, some innocent)
Fea (I've been wondering why she's been so friendly with Boro, but that's all I have against her)
Nessa (simply because nothing exonerates her)

Innocent (without order):

Nerwen
Nienna
Shasta
Alona