WW LXXIII: Arkham Asylum: Holding Cells(Game Thread)

[Morsul the Dark]

Batman sat in the Stopped Elevator alone. He Bangedthe Console. The Welcome Screen Fizzled to life. "Hey Bats! Sorry for the Delay! We had to tweak the party a bit before the Game could begin. HAHAHA"

With that the elevator shuttered into motion. He descended into the depths of the madhouse. When the bottom was finally reached he walked into a Hallway with rooms on either side not marked in any way.

Another screen was at the end of the hall. . (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ZHKUVTraWg) "Hey Bats! Change of plans. We have 5 Wackos down here Two Guards. Two Bad Guys and Twoface! Tick-Tock Tick-Tock I hear a Croc. And I'm Itchy maybe some Poison Ivy? Have fun trying to sort it out! HAHAHA"


2 Guards
5 Patients
2 Baddies
1 Cobbler(NOT cursed)
1 Ranger

Alive(For Now HAHAHA)

Nerwen
Glirdan
Sally
Durelin
Boro
Nogrod
Wilwa
Isabel
Kitanna
Pitchwife
Loslote

[Morsul the Dark]

DL will still be tomorrow night at Midnight however I've made you wait long enough you may begin posting when you feel so inclined!

[Boromir88]

Woot! This means I get first post. :D

I actually have a humorous topic-related story. So, this one time, there was a high school test over Immigration and an ID on Jane Addams. To which the student answered "I have no idea, so I'm going to draw you a picture of the batmobile exploding and batman tripping off a tall building...you know you're jealous."

Aside from the fact it was a pretty good drawing, I wanted to award full points for the question for the very fact that Batman was defeated by tripping over his own feet and falling from a great height, even though it had nothing to do with Jane Addams. Clearly this student was mocking the failure of the most disturbingly insane villain ever, the Joker, at defeating the Great Bat.

[Loslote]

In that case...

Originally posted by Pitchie

Now where's Lottie to start the Day properly with a song and pointing out that we're probably both evil?

Here I am! All sparkly and fun and singing so awfully the wolves will have no choice but to flee!

Party in the Barrow Downs!

I logged online at five today
with a role and some time to spare
welcome to the game of werewolves, (woah)
am I gonna survive?

Went to the Downs,
Here I'm posting, I'm the first one
Look up above and I see only the mod's posts
This is all so boring
Nobody's posted

My eyes are rolling and I'm feelin a little boredom
Not much pressure and I'm not very nervous,
That's when I clicked reply, googled the lyrics
and chose a silly song
and chose a silly song
and chose a silly song

So I click reply now
And parody the song,
And the werewolves run away
Typing the words like yeah,
Singing the song like yeah,
And I google lyrics,
To parody the song
I know I'm gonna be normal
Yeah, It's a party on the Barrow Downs
Yeah, It's a party on the Barrow Downs

Well I'm the first post of the day
Everybody's lookin at me now
Like “who's this Lottie, that's posting first?
She's gotta be a werewolf, yeah.”

So hard without a seer playing
Its definitely smaller than I'm used to
Cause nothing's going on yet
But I'm not good at quiet

My eyes are rolling and I'm feelin a little boredom
Not much pressure and I'm not very nervous,
That's when I clicked reply, googled the lyrics
and chose a silly song
and chose a silly song
and chose a silly song

So I click reply now
And parody the song,
And the werewolves run away
Typing the words like yeah,
Singing the song like yeah,
And I google lyrics,
To parody the song
I know I'm gonna be normal
Yeah, It's a party on the Barrow Downs
Yeah, It's a party on the Barrow Downs

Feel like lynching a wolf now (a wolf now)
Win the game for the crazies (the crazies)
Something stops me everytime (mean wolves)
Then people post more and I feel alright!

So I click reply now
And parody the song,
And the werewolves run away
Typing the words like yeah,
Singing the song like yeah,
And I google lyrics,
To parody the song
I know I'm gonna be normal
Yeah, It's a party on the Barrow Downs
Yeah, It's a party on the Barrow Downs

So I click reply now
And parody the song,
And the werewolves run away (running away)
Typing the words like yeah (typing the words like yeah)
Singing the song like yeah, (singing the song like yeah)
And I press submit reply,
In the Arkham Asylum
I know I'm gonna be ok (I'm gonna be okay)
Yeah (Yeah), It's a party on the Barrow Downs
Yeah (hahaha), It's a party on the Barrow Downs (Party on the Barrow Downs!)

PS. Y'all are evil. ;)

EDIT: Boro beat me to first post. He's must be evil. *grumps*

[Loslote]

Nerwen - evil. First post in the admin thread.
Glirdan - evil. Just look at his avie! :eek:
Sally - evil. Has a themed avie.
Durelin - evil. I've never played with (her?) before, so clearly evil.
Boro - evil. Messed up my first post song plus spoke sense last Night.
Nogrod - evil. Signed up later than several other people.
Wilwa - evil. Likes Alice in Wonderland.
Isabel - evil. Is sharing a room with Nerwen, which clearly means they're in cahoots! And, as Nerwen has already been established as evil, she must be too!
Kitanna - evil. I've never played with her before, either.
Pitchie - evil. Predicted exactly what I just did.
Lottie - amazingly good. Just sayin'. :Merisu:

[wilwarin538]

Oooh, it's starting. *claps*

More Alice quotes?

There's a large mustard-mine near here. And the moral of that is -- The more there is of mine, the less there is of yours

Lottie, Alice in Wonderland is the bestest story ever. You're clearly evil for thinking otherwise. :p

All of the players are as follows:

Nerwen
Glirdan
Sally
Durelin
Boro
Nogrod
Wilwa
Isabel
Kitanna
Pitchwife
Loslote

That is 11. So hypothetically if we never lynch a wolf then it would take them until about Day 4 to win. Which is 4 lynches. That is also assuming though that the Ranger never makes a save. SO, we have quite wonderful chances, since 4 lynches is a lot and we have a Ranger. But I guess there's a cobbler too out there, so we kinda have to watch out for them, but them not being cursed is actually one less thing to worry about.

Anyway, I'm exhausted and have 2 tests tomorrow, so I need to go sleep. I should be on randomly in the morning.

[Durelin]

So is this a party? I don't like parties. They make me nervous. Too many people, all acting like they like each other.

And I have a headache.

They tell me I should be left alone, but I don't really like being alone. But I'd really just rather you all went away.

I'm hungry. I think I could lunch any of you right now. I mean lynch.

[Glirdan]

Okay, so Boro is a Wolf because he talked about a student killing Batman in a picture, and had first post, and I just plain think he's going to be no help on this camping trip. Sure, he's good at cleaning and cooking, but we're in the middle of the Sahara Dessert with no bathroom in sight!

Durelin is a Wolf because of the lunch thing. We're all hungry, but if we don't get rid of this peskiness now, we'll be hearing it for the rest of this camping trip. Oh, and I call NOT sleeping in the same tent...or doing dishes for that matter....that's just a big no....

Oh, and Wilwa is a Wolf just on principle. :p


Glirdan - evil. Just look at his avie!

I resemble that remark!! :(

[Loslote]

Okay, so Boro is a Wolf because he talked about a student killing Batman in a picture, and had first post, and I just plain think he's going to be no help on this camping trip. Sure, he's good at cleaning and cooking, but we're in the middle of the Sahara Dessert with no bathroom in sight!

Actually, if there is any merit to that, he could be Two-Face trying to hint. That should definitely be taken with a hint of salt, though, and hinting is always doubtful.

[Nerwen]

So hypothetically if we never lynch a wolf then it would take them until about Day 4 to win.

Yay! Go wolves!

(Hey, I AM insane, you know...):p

Actually, if there is any merit to that, he could be Two-Face trying to hint. That should definitely be taken with a hint of salt, though, and hinting is always doubtful.

Or he could be a wolf hinting to Two-Face.

[Loslote]

Yay! Go wolves!

(Hey, I AM insane, you know...):p

Or he could be a wolf hinting to Two-Face.

Or that could be a hint. Really, we can't read too much into this...and I do think we're blowing it quite out of porportion. My "hints" the last game were a) I meant to include a line in my song parody of "everyone's got a helpful cobbler" but forgot and b) I said "we're all evil". My hinting failed. :rolleyes: But I actually did have a point with all this: cobbler hinting is not neccessarily straight forward, and I don't think we should automatically assume Boro's evil. However, I'm also not saying he's cleared, either - just don't blow it out of porportion. Much. Some blowing out of porportion is fun, methinks. :p

[Isabellkya]

Tick-Tock and Crocodiles make me think of Captain Hook and Peter Pan.
Batman makes me think of Captain planet.
The joker makes me think of Jack Nicholson.
Jack Nicholson makes me think of The Shining.
The Shining makes me think of Stephen King.
Stephen King makes me think of IT.
IT makes me think of Clowns.
Clowns make me laugh.

Summation: I hope no one is afraid of Clowns, I like Clowns. xD

[Nerwen]

Okay, so Boro is a Wolf because he talked about a student killing Batman in a picture, and had first post, and I just plain think he's going to be no help on this camping trip. Sure, he's good at cleaning and cooking, but we're in the middle of the Sahara Dessert with no bathroom in sight!

Oh, but you won't need a bathroom in the Sahara, Glirdan. Just rub yourself down with sand. It's a wonderful exfoliant!:cool:

Originally Posted by Lottie
Glirdan - evil. Just look at his avie!

I resemble that remark!! :(

Look– a confession! Lynch him!

But I actually did have a point with all this: cobbler hinting is not neccessarily straight forward, and I don't think we should automatically assume Boro's evil.

*shrugs* Oh you want a serious answer? Well, then: wolves and cobblers don't often jump straight in and start hinting away in the very first post of the game. So it probably wasn't a hint. But then again it might be. Or maybe not. Who knows?

Tick-Tock and Crocodiles make me think of Captain Hook and Peter Pan.
Batman makes me think of Captain planet.
The joker makes me think of Jack Nicholson.
Jack Nicholson makes me think of The Shining.
The Shining makes me think of Stephen King.
Stephen King makes me think of IT.
IT makes me think of Clowns.
Clowns make me laugh.

Summation: I hope no one is afraid of Clowns, I like Clowns. xD

Me too. Why, none of us would be having such a wonderful time right now if it wasn't for the Joker!

[wilwarin538]

Oh, and Wilwa is a Wolf just on principle. :p



Ditto. ;) After last game I'm never ever trusting you again. <3


I don't like clowns. :(


and the moral of that is--be what you would seem to be--or if you'd like it put more simply--never imagine yourself not to be otherwise than what it might appear to others that what you were or might have been was not otherwise than what you had been would have appeared to them to be otherwise.

[Nerwen]

Now I am eating a dear little apple named Jonathan.

"Please! Please don't eat me!" Jonathan begged. Alas! He was so crisp and tasty, I swallowed him in half-a-dozen delicious bites.

Poor, poor Jonathan.:(

Luckily, though, all Jonathan's friends are named Jonathan too, so they'll never know he's missing.;)

EDIT:X'd with Wilwa.

[Glirdan]

I don't like clowns either.... they're scary and evil and are out to get me!! HELP!! :(

And I think Lottie and Nerwen are reading into this whole first post thing a little too much. Starting to unnerve me and if they don't stop I'm going to go and tell mom!!

Anyways, I have to go see these people in white for some happy pills and probably won't be back until MUCH later in the Day to post again (please refer to admin thread). See ya everybody!!

[Morsul the Dark]

How Wonderful Everyone's enjoying my little game! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gTghUoScGO8)

[Kitanna]

I'm hungry. I think I could lunch any of you right now. I mean lynch.
Does this mean you're going to revert to eating everyone who is lynched? I don't think I like that idea.

Or that could be a hint. Really, we can't read too much into this...and I do think we're blowing it quite out of porportion.
This whole post blows it out of proportion seems to me. Though you're advising us not to do so. :rolleyes: Interesting.

[Nogrod]

`Twas brillig, and the slithy toves
Did gyre and gimble in the wabe:
All mimsy were the borogoves,
And the mome raths outgrabe.

And poor, poor old Granny Smith as well... and all her cousins & relatives.


Otherwise it has been just like I thought a madhouse would be.

Whatever her role, Dury's "I think I could lunch any of you right now" looks plain calculated.

Or Lottie saying "I don't think we should automatically assume Boro's evil" looks just soo out of place. I mean really.

And talking of cobbler hints, Nerwen's "Yay! Go wolves!" is on a class of its own. That she pleads insanity doesnt't do away the fact that she decided to voice that sentence in the first place.

[Pitchwife]

Well, blowing things out of proportion is, I think, a legitimate way to start a discussion on Day 1 - often the only way, with nothing but banter and in-character lunacy to go on. So please stop jumping on Lottie for her attempt to get the game going (she seems to consider that her special duty of late, and she does it quite well).
Glirdan, it's way too early to be unnerved yet. Unless I misunderstood something, the whole cobbler-hinting-to-wolves-or-vice-versa business was about Boro, not you, so what reason do you have to be unnerved (unless you happen to be packmates, of course)?

I hope no one is afraid of Clowns, I like Clowns. xD
Violator? No, sorry, wrong comic...

EDIT: x-ed with Nog

[wilwarin538]

`Twas brillig, and the slithy toves
Did gyre and gimble in the wabe:
All mimsy were the borogoves,
And the mome raths outgrabe.


I love you. Just sayin'.

Beware the Jabberwock, my son!
The jaws that bite, the claws that catch!
Beware the Jubjub bird, and shun
The frumious Bandersnatch!



The whole Boro thing, I don't know. I suppose it could be a cobbler hint, but then I suppose it could not be. But really, is our objective to kill the cobbler or to kill the wolves??? Cobblers, in my oppinion, are more dangerous later on in the game, not really as much in the beginning.

Though like I said earlier it would take 4 Days with no wolf lynch in order for the wolves to win, so that does give us a lot of wiggle room, I suppose lynching a cobblerish person wouldn't be a totally terrible idea. And I wouldn't put it past a wolf to act like a cobbler in order to slip through anyway.

My point: I personally do not see it as cobblerish, and I personally would rather look for wolfish behaviour rather then cobblerish behaviour, but lynching a cobbler would obviously not be a wasted lynch, and we do seem to have a wide window.

I need food. *follows Glirdan and the white coats*

x'ed with Pitch

[Nogrod]

I suppose lynching a cobblerish person wouldn't be a totally terrible idea. And I wouldn't put it past a wolf to act like a cobbler in order to slip through anyway.That's exactly why I think we should also pay heed to cobblerish looking action early in the game... That would be the easiest cover early on if there is a general feeling that the possible cobblers will be "dealt with" only later on.

Talking of which... could somebody tell me what was that "cobbler hint" you guys read from Boro's post? Beats me.

[Nogrod]

Hey Wilwa, I can see your green dot!

[Pitchwife]

could somebody tell me what was that "cobbler hint" you guys read from Boro's post? Beats me.
This:
I wanted to award full points for the question for the very fact that Batman was defeated by tripping over his own feet and falling from a great height
Could be read as "Likes Batman to fail -> is evil", I suppose - but only if you ignore the context. After all, the same post ends with
Clearly this student was mocking the failure of the most disturbingly insane villain ever, the Joker, at defeating the Great Bat.

[Nogrod]

Could be read as "Likes Batman to fail -> is evil", I suppose - but only if you ignore the context. After all, the same post ends with Clearly this student was mocking the failure of the most disturbingly insane villain ever, the Joker, at defeating the Great Bat.I read the ending as you did and that's exactly the thing which made me confused. I was afraid there was some intertextual / cultural reference I had totally missed...

[wilwarin538]

Hey Wilwa, I can see your green dot!

I know! I'm usually good for remembering that, but I guess I forgot. All fixed now.

*Wilwa starts to disappear, her large grin being the last thing to go*

I don't see anything weird in Boro's post. I think it was just a funny story he wanted to share with the class, since it fit the theme and all.

[satansaloser2005]

*Wilwa starts to disappear, her large grin being the last thing to go*

That little line was delicious. In fact....


Wilwa regrets to inform the rest of you that she won't be returning to the game. She seems to have been eaten. Oh shuckmuffins. (Or rather, Wilwamuffins.)



Popping out now but I'll be back and when I am I'll have mad interwebs. ^_^

[wilwarin538]

Oh shuckmuffins. (Or rather, Wilwamuffins.)


om nom nom nom nom nom

wait....I don't want to be eaten. :eek:

I think Sallycakes would be far more desirable. :p

*Goes back to paying attention in class.*

[Pitchwife]

Examining the alleged hints a little further, here's my tuppence on Nerwen. Sure, anybody who cheers for the wolves is asking for being questioned. I'm ready to make allowance for being in character and hence in poor mental health, but the problem is, it's quite easy to use lunacy as a disguise.
That said, I think a Cobblerwen might amuse herself by playing crazy and confusing the brains out of our poor skulls (see her resreveR act in Boro's D-League game!), but I can't quite see her doing something that blatant. And a Nerwolf would, of course, be waaaay more circumspect.

Or Lottie saying "I don't think we should automatically assume Boro's evil" looks just soo out of place. I mean really.
I see your point - like "Of course I'm not saying he's a wolf, but I'd like to keep the idea hovering in the background". Subconscious doesn't know negations, and all that. Hmmm...

[satansaloser2005]

I think Sallycakes would be far more desirable. :p

++Wilwa for representative

Because Sallycakes is probably my favorite nickname ever. ^_^

[wilwarin538]

++Wilwa for representative

Because Sallycakes is probably my favorite nickname ever. ^_^

for Sallycakes: http://th00.deviantart.net/fs27/300W/i/2009/246/b/8/Muffin_or_Ugly_Cupcake__by_SpeciosusNihilum.jpg

:Merisu:

[satansaloser2005]

Haha! That is amazing! ^_^



Okay, so I should actually look at stuff with a critical eye now rather than just enjoying my new nickname. ;)

Back in a tick, circumstances permitting.

[wilwarin538]

That said, I think a Cobblerwen might amuse herself by playing crazy and confusing the brains out of our poor skulls (see her resreveR act in Boro's D-League game!), but I can't quite see her doing something that blatant. And a Nerwolf would, of course, be waaaay more circumspect.


I think this is also more likely. Every Day 1 there has to be atleast one person who jokingly says they're for the wolves/are a wolf, when they likely are not, just to joke around and stir the pot and whatnot. Especially in a nut house like this one. I wouldn't put too much into something like that, it's almost impossible to know if someone is joking or not. Could be more useful in a few Days though I suppose, if other stuff piles up about her or something.

I have to leave again, eye appointment. I will be back on later for some seriousness and not so many muffins....

[Morsul the Dark]

Boy Watching You guys no wonder your in here you act like your in your own little worls with lives, jobs, hell even families HmHmHMHMHAHAHAHA

[satansaloser2005]

Guys, I'm a bit worried. Boro said he was living in room 4 (among others, but still) but I don't see any of his stuff.

Well, that's not entirely true. I found a knife under his pillow. Worried? A bit. :eek:

[Pitchwife]

Boy Watching You guys no wonder your in here you act like your in your own little worls with lives, jobs, hell even families HmHmHMHMHAHAHAHA
Well, since you, as the guy who's running this loony bin, obviously haven't heard of occupation therapy, we've got to make things up for ourselves, don't we?

[Pitchwife]

sally, if you call that 'looking at things with a critical eye', I suggest you go back to your bakery.:rolleyes:
And why jump on the Boro train? It's not like there isn't lots of other folks around...

[satansaloser2005]

sally, if you call that 'looking at things with a critical eye', I suggest you go back to your bakery.:rolleyes:
And why jump on the Boro train? It's not like there isn't lots of other folks around...


Heh. Actually, I just couldn't resist the comment. I'm reading through stuff right now. ^_^

[Boromir88]

Why is it always me at the focus of controversy on Day 1s!? Why!?

My time in this stint's limitted because usually I want to pass out by 10 pm, and have to be up at 6 am, and as the week progresses I get more and more cranky. I have to go in about 15 minutes to take care of some RL business, but should be back for about 4-5 hours until I am ready to knock out for the night.

Anyway, I don't know who pointed it out first, but my first post was a funny story that happened when I gave a test last Friday, and you know how long I waited to be able to share that realizing it was perfect in this situation! I wanted to give some kind of credit for the creative brilliance, but alas it had nothing to do with Jane Addams. :p

Sorry for disrupting your first song-post Lottie. Ok, not really. But please people, stop using me as a guinea pig. How many times do I apparently say something controversial on Day 1, and how many times does the discussion start reverting to what I actually 'meant,' what I was hinting, and than who jumped on an attacking bandwagon, then who defended it, and who jumped off, back on, all around...and where does it lead?

(Lots of ands and incorrect grammar, in the above paragraph...yep I know that, but I needed to point out this entire conversation over what I said, what I didn't, what hints is silly. Buh bye, catch ya later).

[Kitanna]

sally, if you call that 'looking at things with a critical eye', I suggest you go back to your bakery.:rolleyes:
And why jump on the Boro train? It's not like there isn't lots of other folks around...
There are other folks around? Surely you jest!

On a serious note I don't see how there could possibly be a Boro train at all. Though I'd hardly call what's going on as a train. Most of the comments made about Boro's first post/game's first post have been wishy-washy statements like "could be a cobbler hint, but maybe it couldn't be." Obviously I'd be naive to expect anything else at this point, but these sorts of posts worry me because in the days to come wishy-washy statements like those are easy for baddies to hide behind.

But please people, stop using me as a guinea pig. How many times do I apparently say something controversial on Day 1, and how many times does the discussion start reverting to what I actually 'meant,' what I was hinting, and than who jumped on an attacking bandwagon, then who defended it, and who jumped off, back on, all around...and where does it lead?
Awfully touchy, aren't you? No one likes being the sacrificial lamb on Day 1, yet someone must fill the void. And no one has really committed to you or your post as anything substantial. As I said before most comments revolve around "It's a hint, but then again it probably isn't." So far no one has really pointed an accusing finger at you and screamed "WOLF!"

[Loslote]

Well, blowing things out of proportion is, I think, a legitimate way to start a discussion on Day 1 - often the only way, with nothing but banter and in-character lunacy to go on. So please stop jumping on Lottie for her attempt to get the game going (she seems to consider that her special duty of late, and she does it quite well).

Thaaank you. I almost never mean what I say on Day 1, guys. Honestly, I barely read his post, and doubt if there's really anything there. I just enjoy war-mongering (or something similar whose name I can't think of right now).

[satansaloser2005]

Woot! This means I get first post.

I actually have a humorous topic-related story. So, this one time, there was a high school test over Immigration and an ID on Jane Addams. To which the student answered "I have no idea, so I'm going to draw you a picture of the batmobile exploding and batman tripping off a tall building...you know you're jealous."

Aside from the fact it was a pretty good drawing, I wanted to award full points for the question for the very fact that Batman was defeated by tripping over his own feet and falling from a great height, even though it had nothing to do with Jane Addams. Clearly this student was mocking the failure of the most disturbingly insane villain ever, the Joker, at defeating the Great Bat.

Heh. Heh. If nothin else he has good stories. And it was the first post, so we can hardly expect an epic analysis. Apart from the first post bit I think he's fine so far.

In that case...



Here I am! All sparkly and fun and singing so awfully the wolves will have no choice but to flee!

Party in the Barrow Downs!

I logged online at five today
with a role and some time to spare
welcome to the game of werewolves, (woah)
am I gonna survive?

Went to the Downs,
Here I'm posting, I'm the first one
Look up above and I see only the mod's posts
This is all so boring
Nobody's posted

My eyes are rolling and I'm feelin a little boredom
Not much pressure and I'm not very nervous,
That's when I clicked reply, googled the lyrics
and chose a silly song
and chose a silly song
and chose a silly song

So I click reply now
And parody the song,
And the werewolves run away
Typing the words like yeah,
Singing the song like yeah,
And I google lyrics,
To parody the song
I know I'm gonna be normal
Yeah, It's a party on the Barrow Downs
Yeah, It's a party on the Barrow Downs

Well I'm the first post of the day
Everybody's lookin at me now
Like “who's this Lottie, that's posting first?
She's gotta be a werewolf, yeah.”

So hard without a seer playing
Its definitely smaller than I'm used to
Cause nothing's going on yet
But I'm not good at quiet

My eyes are rolling and I'm feelin a little boredom
Not much pressure and I'm not very nervous,
That's when I clicked reply, googled the lyrics
and chose a silly song
and chose a silly song
and chose a silly song

So I click reply now
And parody the song,
And the werewolves run away
Typing the words like yeah,
Singing the song like yeah,
And I google lyrics,
To parody the song
I know I'm gonna be normal
Yeah, It's a party on the Barrow Downs
Yeah, It's a party on the Barrow Downs

Feel like lynching a wolf now (a wolf now)
Win the game for the crazies (the crazies)
Something stops me everytime (mean wolves)
Then people post more and I feel alright!

So I click reply now
And parody the song,
And the werewolves run away
Typing the words like yeah,
Singing the song like yeah,
And I google lyrics,
To parody the song
I know I'm gonna be normal
Yeah, It's a party on the Barrow Downs
Yeah, It's a party on the Barrow Downs

So I click reply now
And parody the song,
And the werewolves run away (running away)
Typing the words like yeah (typing the words like yeah)
Singing the song like yeah, (singing the song like yeah)
And I press submit reply,
In the Arkham Asylum
I know I'm gonna be ok (I'm gonna be okay)
Yeah (Yeah), It's a party on the Barrow Downs
Yeah (hahaha), It's a party on the Barrow Downs (Party on the Barrow Downs!)

PS. Y'all are evil.

EDIT: Boro beat me to first post. He's must be evil. *grumps*


Well I'm not a wolf and I fled so I think we'll be safe. Unless of course Lottie's a wolf and is just trying to screw with us. o_O

Nerwen - evil. First post in the admin thread.
Glirdan - evil. Just look at his avie!
Sally - evil. Has a themed avie.
Durelin - evil. I've never played with (her?) before, so clearly evil.
Boro - evil. Messed up my first post song plus spoke sense last Night.
Nogrod - evil. Signed up later than several other people.
Wilwa - evil. Likes Alice in Wonderland.
Isabel - evil. Is sharing a room with Nerwen, which clearly means they're in cahoots! And, as Nerwen has already been established as evil, she must be too!
Kitanna - evil. I've never played with her before, either.
Pitchie - evil. Predicted exactly what I just did.
Lottie - amazingly good. Just sayin'.

Well she's using extremely twisted logic because I almost alway have a themed avvie. Clearly she's evil. *nods sagely*

Oooh, it's starting. *claps*

More Alice quotes?

There's a large mustard-mine near here. And the moral of that is -- The more there is of mine, the less there is of yours

Lottie, Alice in Wonderland is the bestest story ever. You're clearly evil for thinking otherwise.

All of the players are as follows:

Nerwen
Glirdan
Sally
Durelin
Boro
Nogrod
Wilwa
Isabel
Kitanna
Pitchwife
Loslote

That is 11. So hypothetically if we never lynch a wolf then it would take them until about Day 4 to win. Which is 4 lynches. That is also assuming though that the Ranger never makes a save. SO, we have quite wonderful chances, since 4 lynches is a lot and we have a Ranger. But I guess there's a cobbler too out there, so we kinda have to watch out for them, but them not being cursed is actually one less thing to worry about.

Anyway, I'm exhausted and have 2 tests tomorrow, so I need to go sleep. I should be on randomly in the morning.

Nice commentary on the logistics of the game, but it seems a bit too much of a "ra ra village we can do this" post to me. I'm just sayin'.

So is this a party? I don't like parties. They make me nervous. Too many people, all acting like they like each other.

And I have a headache.

They tell me I should be left alone, but I don't really like being alone. But I'd really just rather you all went away.

I'm hungry. I think I could lunch any of you right now. I mean lynch.

Glaringly innocent. I mean just look at the last line of that post. An angel!

Okay, so Boro is a Wolf because he talked about a student killing Batman in a picture, and had first post, and I just plain think he's going to be no help on this camping trip. Sure, he's good at cleaning and cooking, but we're in the middle of the Sahara Dessert with no bathroom in sight!

Durelin is a Wolf because of the lunch thing. We're all hungry, but if we don't get rid of this peskiness now, we'll be hearing it for the rest of this camping trip. Oh, and I call NOT sleeping in the same tent...or doing dishes for that matter....that's just a big no....

Oh, and Wilwa is a Wolf just on principle.



I resemble that remark!!

His logic is undeniable. And he's my hunny, so he must be innocent. :Merisu:

Actually, if there is any merit to that, he could be Two-Face trying to hint. That should definitely be taken with a hint of salt, though, and hinting is always doubtful.

Heh. Anything could be a hint at anything. Or a hint at nothing.

Yay! Go wolves!

(Hey, I AM insane, you know...)



Or he could be a wolf hinting to Two-Face.

Like I said....

*rolls eyes at Nerwen* I thought you of all people would survive this nuthouse.

Or that could be a hint. Really, we can't read too much into this...and I do think we're blowing it quite out of porportion. My "hints" the last game were a) I meant to include a line in my song parody of "everyone's got a helpful cobbler" but forgot and b) I said "we're all evil". My hinting failed. But I actually did have a point with all this: cobbler hinting is not neccessarily straight forward, and I don't think we should automatically assume Boro's evil. However, I'm also not saying he's cleared, either - just don't blow it out of porportion. Much. Some blowing out of porportion is fun, methinks.

Just a bit yeah. I mean it's only Day One and everyone's trying to be a bit silly so I'm taking nearly everything with nothing right now.


Tick-Tock and Crocodiles make me think of Captain Hook and Peter Pan.
Batman makes me think of Captain planet.
The joker makes me think of Jack Nicholson.
Jack Nicholson makes me think of The Shining.
The Shining makes me think of Stephen King.
Stephen King makes me think of IT.
IT makes me think of Clowns.
Clowns make me laugh.

Summation: I hope no one is afraid of Clowns, I like Clowns. xD

Izzy must stay. She has amazing posts. Erm, post. Whatever. ^_^

Oh, but you won't need a bathroom in the Sahara, Glirdan. Just rub yourself down with sand. It's a wonderful exfoliant!



Look– a confession! Lynch him!



*shrugs* Oh you want a serious answer? Well, then: wolves and cobblers don't often jump straight in and start hinting away in the very first post of the game. So it probably wasn't a hint. But then again it might be. Or maybe not. Who knows?



Me too. Why, none of us would be having such a wonderful time right now if it wasn't for the Joker!

Erm, I do. But not this game, obviously, because I've nothing to hint at. *pouts*

Ditto. ;) After last game I'm never ever trusting you again. <3


I don't like clowns.


and the moral of that is--be what you would seem to be--or if you'd like it put more simply--never imagine yourself not to be otherwise than what it might appear to others that what you were or might have been was not otherwise than what you had been would have appeared to them to be otherwise.

Heh. Whyever not (http://www.bloody-disgusting.com/photosizer/upload/it031209.jpg)?

Now I am eating a dear little apple named Jonathan.

"Please! Please don't eat me!" Jonathan begged. Alas! He was so crisp and tasty, I swallowed him in half-a-dozen delicious bites.

Poor, poor Jonathan.

Luckily, though, all Jonathan's friends are named Jonathan too, so they'll never know he's missing.

EDIT:X'd with Wilwa.

Mummy, I'm afraid....

I don't like clowns either.... they're scary and evil and are out to get me!! HELP!!

And I think Lottie and Nerwen are reading into this whole first post thing a little too much. Starting to unnerve me and if they don't stop I'm going to go and tell mom!!

Anyways, I have to go see these people in white for some happy pills and probably won't be back until MUCH later in the Day to post again (please refer to admin thread). See ya everybody!!

I rather concur about the overanalyzing thing. But at the same time there's not much else productive to do, so meh.

Does this mean you're going to revert to eating everyone who is lynched? I don't think I like that idea.


This whole post blows it out of proportion seems to me. Though you're advising us not to do so. Interesting.

If we do that all game we'll be donners....erm, I mean goners. So let's not.

`Twas brillig, and the slithy toves
Did gyre and gimble in the wabe:
All mimsy were the borogoves,
And the mome raths outgrabe.

And poor, poor old Granny Smith as well... and all her cousins & relatives.


Otherwise it has been just like I thought a madhouse would be.

Whatever her role, Dury's "I think I could lunch any of you right now" looks plain calculated.

Or Lottie saying "I don't think we should automatically assume Boro's evil" looks just soo out of place. I mean really.

And talking of cobbler hints, Nerwen's "Yay! Go wolves!" is on a class of its own. That she pleads insanity doesnt't do away the fact that she decided to voice that sentence in the first place.

Well she is a bit mad, so for now I'm going to ignore it. Like I said, for now. Oh, and Nog must also survive toDay for he is quiet but entertaining.

Well, blowing things out of proportion is, I think, a legitimate way to start a discussion on Day 1 - often the only way, with nothing but banter and in-character lunacy to go on. So please stop jumping on Lottie for her attempt to get the game going (she seems to consider that her special duty of late, and she does it quite well).
Glirdan, it's way too early to be unnerved yet. Unless I misunderstood something, the whole cobbler-hinting-to-wolves-or-vice-versa business was about Boro, not you, so what reason do you have to be unnerved (unless you happen to be packmates, of course)?


Violator? No, sorry, wrong comic...

EDIT: x-ed with Nog

Hmmmm. Interesting idea about Glirdan, joking or not.

I love you. Just sayin'.

Beware the Jabberwock, my son!
The jaws that bite, the claws that catch!
Beware the Jubjub bird, and shun
The frumious Bandersnatch!



The whole Boro thing, I don't know. I suppose it could be a cobbler hint, but then I suppose it could not be. But really, is our objective to kill the cobbler or to kill the wolves??? Cobblers, in my oppinion, are more dangerous later on in the game, not really as much in the beginning.

Though like I said earlier it would take 4 Days with no wolf lynch in order for the wolves to win, so that does give us a lot of wiggle room, I suppose lynching a cobblerish person wouldn't be a totally terrible idea. And I wouldn't put it past a wolf to act like a cobbler in order to slip through anyway.

My point: I personally do not see it as cobblerish, and I personally would rather look for wolfish behaviour rather then cobblerish behaviour, but lynching a cobbler would obviously not be a wasted lynch, and we do seem to have a wide window.

I need food. *follows Glirdan and the white coats*

x'ed with Pitch

Yes, but at the same time the wolves may often hide by posing as cobblers. So looking for cobblerish behavior can in fact help us. Of course no two wolves are the same so we have to employ a variety of wolf-hunting strategies. *nods*

Also, again with the 'oh we have loads of time' sentiment. It's disconcerting.

That's exactly why I think we should also pay heed to cobblerish looking action early in the game... That would be the easiest cover early on if there is a general feeling that the possible cobblers will be "dealt with" only later on.

Talking of which... could somebody tell me what was that "cobbler hint" you guys read from Boro's post? Beats me.

And we agree yet again. *snuggles Nog* As for the hint, I really don't get it either.

Hey Wilwa, I can see your green dot!

:eek: This is a family site!

This:

Could be read as "Likes Batman to fail -> is evil", I suppose - but only if you ignore the context. After all, the same post ends with

Exactly. Without context anything can be twisted into anything.

I read the ending as you did and that's exactly the thing which made me confused. I was afraid there was some intertextual / cultural reference I had totally missed...

*shrugs* I'm American and read it more or less as you guys did.

I know! I'm usually good for remembering that, but I guess I forgot. All fixed now.

*Wilwa starts to disappear, her large grin being the last thing to go*

I don't see anything weird in Boro's post. I think it was just a funny story he wanted to share with the class, since it fit the theme and all.

Seconded.

om nom nom nom nom nom

wait....I don't want to be eaten.

I think Sallycakes would be far more desirable.

*Goes back to paying attention in class.*

*pets Wilwa*

Examining the alleged hints a little further, here's my tuppence on Nerwen. Sure, anybody who cheers for the wolves is asking for being questioned. I'm ready to make allowance for being in character and hence in poor mental health, but the problem is, it's quite easy to use lunacy as a disguise.
That said, I think a Cobblerwen might amuse herself by playing crazy and confusing the brains out of our poor skulls (see her resreveR act in Boro's D-League game!), but I can't quite see her doing something that blatant. And a Nerwolf would, of course, be waaaay more circumspect.


I see your point - like "Of course I'm not saying he's a wolf, but I'd like to keep the idea hovering in the background". Subconscious doesn't know negations, and all that. Hmmm...

To be fair I do think a wolf Nerwen would actually be more bold than a cobbler. But bold isn't crazy, and I think I remember a game with a cobbler Nerwen and she was....well, a nutter. So maybe you're right. I don't know though.

I think this is also more likely. Every Day 1 there has to be atleast one person who jokingly says they're for the wolves/are a wolf, when they likely are not, just to joke around and stir the pot and whatnot. Especially in a nut house like this one. I wouldn't put too much into something like that, it's almost impossible to know if someone is joking or not. Could be more useful in a few Days though I suppose, if other stuff piles up about her or something.

I have to leave again, eye appointment. I will be back on later for some seriousness and not so many muffins....

Exactly. However, this is another one Wilwa's posts that simply doesn't ring true to me. *frowns*

Well, since you, as the guy who's running this loony bin, obviously haven't heard of occupation therapy, we've got to make things up for ourselves, don't we?

Heh. Fair enough. Who brought the silly string?!

Why is it always me at the focus of controversy on Day 1s!? Why!?

My time in this stint's limitted because usually I want to pass out by 10 pm, and have to be up at 6 am, and as the week progresses I get more and more cranky. I have to go in about 15 minutes to take care of some RL business, but should be back for about 4-5 hours until I am ready to knock out for the night.

Anyway, I don't know who pointed it out first, but my first post was a funny story that happened when I gave a test last Friday, and you know how long I waited to be able to share that realizing it was perfect in this situation! I wanted to give some kind of credit for the creative brilliance, but alas it had nothing to do with Jane Addams.

Sorry for disrupting your first song-post Lottie. Ok, not really. But please people, stop using me as a guinea pig. How many times do I apparently say something controversial on Day 1, and how many times does the discussion start reverting to what I actually 'meant,' what I was hinting, and than who jumped on an attacking bandwagon, then who defended it, and who jumped off, back on, all around...and where does it lead?

(Lots of ands and incorrect grammar, in the above paragraph...yep I know that, but I needed to point out this entire conversation over what I said, what I didn't, what hints is silly. Buh bye, catch ya later).

Because you're so adorable. Duh.

And yes, yes there was, but we'll keep you around anyway. And besides, someone has to start discussion, whether it's by saying something or having something said about them. You're just too popular! *chuckles*



EDIT: x'd since Boro's. And please forgive any and all typos; my computer's being silly.

[Pitchwife]

*points up at Kit's #40)
Hear, hear!

So how did this thing-that-can't-be-called-a-train get rolling? Let me try a little resumé.

#8 Glirdan makes a typical Day1 banteresque remark that Boro likes to see Batman killed + posted first -> is guilty.
#9 Lottie comments on Glirdan's post that if there's anything at all in Boro's post, it could be a cobbler hint; then immediately cautions against taking that too seriously.
#10 Nerwen replies with what could be seen as a hint of her own and says Boro could be wolf hinting to cobbler.
#11 Lottie takes notice of Nerwen's maybe-hint and cautions further against taking apparent hints too seriously; "don't think we should automatically assume Boro's evil."
#13 Nerwen points out that obvious hints from baddies early in game are rare and continues with maybe/maybe not.
#16 Glirdan is starting to get unnerved by Lottie and Nerwen making more of his remark than he intended. I don't know how serious he was about the unnerving - could be overreaction.
#18 Kit comments on Lottie's ambiguity about the hint question.
#20 Pitch (that's me) questions Glirdan on his reaction.
#21 wilwa doesn't see anything cobblerish in Boro.
#22 Neither does Nog.
#29 Pitch (see above) comments on Nerwen's wolf-cheer and Lottie's ambiguity, is wishy-washy himself.
And thus it goes on with nothing really new, apart from sally's knife joke, which made me coin the metaphor Kit objects to.

So the interesting question is, what, if anything, can we glean from how this whole thing has gone until now?

(x-ed w/ Lottie and sally)

[Durelin]

Quoting shouldn't be allowed.

Wolves - Round 1

Nogrod
Loslote

Wolves - Round 2

Glirdan
Kitanna

Cobbler - Wilwa, Isabel, Nerwen, Pitchwife, Boro

Should be lynched anyway - Sally

[satansaloser2005]

Crap crap and double crap. Erm, I totally didn't mean to quote everything, but when I pasted it back in I forgot to take bits back out. I don't suppose you'll complain if I fix it, will you? *shifty eyes, goes to repair the whoopsie*

EDIT: x'd with Durelin

[Pitchwife]

epic post, sally!
To be fair I do think a wolf Nerwen would actually be more bold than a cobbler.
Maybe. I thought of the game when I was a wolf together with her, but on that occasion she was teamed up with three unpredictable cubs and bent on surviving, which could have been good reason for her to be more cautious than usual. Don't know.

About wilwa - this "we've got loads of time and no reason to worry" attitude is something I'd usually overlook (as in not notice), especially as she's so reasonable otherwise. But you're right, it's not exactly conducive to catching wolves.

EDIT: P.S. sally, keep it as it is. Nice to know where to find a quote if you need it.

[satansaloser2005]

EDIT: P.S. sally, keep it as it is. Nice to know where to find a quote if you need it.

Meh, whatever ya like. *shrugs*

[Pitchwife]

Quoting shouldn't be allowed.

Wolves - Round 1

Nogrod
Loslote

Wolves - Round 2

Glirdan
Kitanna

Cobbler - Wilwa, Isabel, Nerwen, Pitchwife, Boro

Should be lynched anyway - Sally

Care to give reasons for your grouping?

[Boromir88]

Awfully touchy, aren't you? No one likes being the sacrificial lamb on Day 1, yet someone must fill the void. And no one has really committed to you or your post as anything substantial. As I said before most comments revolve around "It's a hint, but then again it probably isn't." So far no one has really pointed an accusing finger at you and screamed "WOLF!"

Perhaps, but I always get my stuff examined by a giant, fine-toothed comb. It's always the same..."What's Boro mean?" "Where's the hint?" "The only way we'll find out is if we open him up like a fish...*gutted like a fish* Ah, we still have no idea what he was going on about."

I feel like Tolkien and allegory, it's a good story folks...laugh! :p

sally[/B]]Because you're so adorable. Duh.

I don't know who you are in here, so I'm not going to be roped in by charm. ;)

[Loslote]

*#16 Glirdan is starting to get unnerved by Lottie and Nerwen making more of his remark than he intended. I don't know how serious he was about the unnerving - could be overreaction.

Well, judging by the fact that he threatened to go tell "mom":

And I think Lottie and Nerwen are reading into this whole first post thing a little too much. Starting to unnerve me and if they don't stop I'm going to go and tell mom!!

I would think he's pretty much joking.

[Loslote]

Just a bit yeah. I mean it's only Day One and everyone's trying to be a bit silly so I'm taking nearly everything with nothing right now.

I'm not trying to be silly - it's my default setting. ;)

[Loslote]

Quoting shouldn't be allowed.

Wolves - Round 1

Nogrod
Loslote

Wolves - Round 2

Glirdan
Kitanna

Cobbler - Wilwa, Isabel, Nerwen, Pitchwife, Boro

Should be lynched anyway - Sally

I am a wolf? Exciting. Why am I a wolf? Tell, tell! The snowflakes need to know...

[Nogrod]

In the order of the Joker's list...

Nerwen - I feel uncomfortable with her right now. The more people say she was probably just joking with her "Go wolves!" the more plausible it seems as a cobbler-tactics (or even wolf-tactics)... if you see what I mean. Your tendency to believe it a joke makes it a worthwhile deception.
Glirdan - Confused about him, like I tend to be...
Sally - A bit overagreeable even if she is being just Sally: now is that possible?
Durelin - A tough one: first she was to "lunch" anyone of us and now a list with no reason whatsoever on anyone. A bit too attention-seeking to be a wolf but then again she's bold and been around long enough.
Boro - Low key. Very low key indeed.
Wilwa - I seem to get my usual latter-days-suspicions (referring to her new ww-career) on her which probably means she's inmnocent.
Isabel - One post. Amusing but quite void of any content. It's early though.
Kitanna - Could be a wolf actually: calm, quiet, collected but still contributing enough to look very good indeed.
Pitchwife - I liked his summary and he looks like doing the right thing (unless in cahoots with Lottie).
Loslote - Looks more or less the active stirrer of discussion and the ball-roller she is; feels better than not (unless in cahoots with Pitch).

[Loslote]

Pitchwife - I liked his summary and he looks like doing the right thing (unless in cahoots with Lottie).
Loslote - Looks more or less the active stirrer of discussion and the ball-roller she is; feels better than not (unless in cahoots with Pitch).

Ooh. Nice theory, but it raises a point: I don't think wolves are going to be very close to each other at all, since there's only two. I would think we should be looking more for people studiously ignoring each other and maybe saying "oh, I don't know, maybe they're evil..." than "ooh they're so awesome/evil!!!"

Just throwin' that out there.

[Boromir88]

Ooh. Nice theory, but it raises a point: I don't think wolves are going to be very close to each other at all, since there's only two. I would think we should be looking more for people studiously ignoring each other and maybe saying "oh, I don't know, maybe they're evil..." than "ooh they're so awesome/evil!!!"

Just throwin' that out there.

*catches*

Or with no seer threat they feel they can afford to play closer and a bit tighter. The strategy is probably more of matter dictated by who, and not the situation.

[Pitchwife]

Well, judging by the fact that he threatened to go tell "mom" [...]I would think he's pretty much joking.
But we know who "mom" is, don't we?
four(4) Patients: All Clinicly insane some even think I'm their mommy isn't that cute?
Too much 'joking' going on there...

Seriously though, I think we should let Glirdan be for toDay, as he's got a RL time issue and may not be able to speak for himself in time.

The more I think about it, the less I'm inclined to suspect Lottie and Nerwen for the whole hint-or-no-hint business. Wolves don't need to stir the pot like that. Unsubstantial suspicions are an endemic Day 1 disease and pop up no matter what, as the innocents desperately look for signs of wolvishness in any- and everybody. Wolves don't need to do that - not to the same extent, at least, and not as early; they've got to think about who to vote and prepare some reasons for their votes to reduce the appearance of open bandwagoning, but otherwise they can afford to be laid back and pretend to be the voice of reason (except nervous first-timers, but I don't think we have any of these in the present line-up).
So let's look at the people who have been most reasonable up to now - which would be Kit, Nog and wilwa (sally too, now she's started actually playing, but to me at least, she just screams 'innocent' - much too straightforward and spot-on for any hidden agenda). Of these, the only one that has presented any point of attack seems to be wilwa, with her "take it easy/Yes we can!" attitude which sally pointed out... Hmmm. *ponders*

(x-ed w/ Nog & Lottie)

[Loslote]

Too much 'joking' going on there...

~~~

(sally too, now she's started actually playing, but to me at least, she just screams 'innocent' - much too straightforward and spot-on for any hidden agenda). Of these, the only one that has presented any point of attack seems to be wilwa, with her "take it easy/Yes we can!" attitude which sally pointed out... Hmmm. *ponders*

1. You can never have too much joking.

2. Actually, I'm not sure about her. Sally dear, are you innocent? :Merisu:

[Pitchwife]

Or with no seer threat they feel they can afford to play closer and a bit tighter.
Nope. With no Seer, traces of collaboration are one of the few signs of wolvery detectable by the unaided innocent eye, so the wolves would do their damnedest to avoid that, I think; especially if there are only two of them. (Like the Sith - always two there are of them, master and disciple. Hmmm...) *gets carried away, calls himself to order*
The strategy is probably more of matter dictated by who, and not the situation.
That I agree with.

[Nogrod]

The Doctor: Now Mr. Nogrod, I have the good news and I have the bad news. Which one would you like to take first?

Nog: Beautiful Soup, so rich and green,
Waiting in a hot tureen!
Who for such dainties would not stoop?

Doc: Don't try that on me. It won't work. Here's the good news: you'll soon be blissfully ignorant of what goes on. How's that?

Nog: Soup of the evening, beautiful Soup!
Soup of the evening, beautiful Soup!
Beau--ootiful Soo--oop!
Beau--ootiful Soo--oop!

Doc: Nuu-urse! The straightjacket, please!

*a mild struggle ensues*

Nog: Soo--oop of the e--e--evening!

Doc: Okay that's it.

*hits Nog with a hammer so that blood spills all around*

Doc: The bad news then... You suffer, beside your overt madness, from a rare syndrom called Europeanismus narcolepticus. It means you will fall in a deep sleep quite so soon...

*starts staring Nog in the eye and swinging a pendulum in front of his eyes*

Nog (resignedly): Beautiful, beautiful soup...

*hits Nog to a head with a hammer, more blood around*

Nog (hardly audible): Beautiful soup! Who cares for fish,
Game, or any other dish...

Doc: Nuu-urse! Nuu-urse! Get this weirdo to room 9, will you?

[satansaloser2005]

1. You can never have too much joking.

2. Actually, I'm not sure about her. Sally dear, are you innocent? :Merisu:

Depends on whether you're asking me because you wanna know if you should lynch me or you want to know if you should Night kill me. Which is it?


Nah, I'm completely innocent. Well, not completely, but as far as the game is concerned I'm as pure as the UNdriven (which makes so much more sense) snow.


EDT: x'd with Pitch and Sir Nog

[Nogrod]

*Nogrod wrestles away from his tormentors; the nurse and the doc give him a chase through the corridor*

If you look for the reasonable and careful, look for Kit, Boro and Pitch.

If you look for the bold, look for Nerwen or Dury

Or Pitch and Lottie. Funny you both recognized what I was talking about even if I gave no open reason for tying you two together... :cool:

I do agree with Boro here: with no seer around the wolves may play also "the supporting game". No one would believe the wolves could fex. try to save each other on every lynch possible etc. (it has happened, and the last remaining wolf *coughValiercough* won that time as no one believed she could play it that openly).

Interesting spotting this "mom"-thing there with Glirdan (heh "tell mom" = tell Morsul/Joker to get rid at Night of someone threatening him?). I'd not recommend lynching him for that though.

Sally I'm quite baffled with, like...


*The Doc and the nurse finally catch up with Nog and hit him unconscious with a baseball bat*

Doc: Get him the medication. No more running amok for this guy.

*Nog is given a serum and dragged away*

[wilwarin538]

How many times do I apparently say something controversial on Day 1, and how many times does the discussion start reverting to what I actually 'meant,' what I was hinting, and than who jumped on an attacking bandwagon, then who defended it, and who jumped off, back on, all around...and where does it lead?


I think someone said that what Boro was saying here was taking it too far, or making too big a deal of it or something, but I don't agree. Boro has a point, this does happen to him a lot, so I don't think this reaction is out of place.


About wilwa - this "we've got loads of time and no reason to worry" attitude is something I'd usually overlook (as in not notice), especially as she's so reasonable otherwise. But you're right, it's not exactly conducive to catching wolves.


It's called optimism. Boosts up the moral of the village and makes the wolves think they're chances are lower. I always find the statistics to make it seem like the village has better chances, it makes me more relaxed and then I can think more clearly and enjoy the game better.

Nope. With no Seer, traces of collaboration are one of the few signs of wolvery detectable by the unaided innocent eye, so the wolves would do their damnedest to avoid that, I think; especially if there are only two of them. (Like the Sith - always two there are of them, master and disciple. Hmmm...) *gets carried away, calls himself to order*


Yeah, I actually disagree. I think since there are only 2 of them and they do have to survive together a while they would actually be more adament about their trust, they don't want to risk one of them dying so they should be more likely to defend each other. I would suggest we spread the votes out a bit every day, and try to avoid too many bandwagon type voting. This way when we get the first one we should have a lot of voting information to help us find the other.


Nog: Beautiful Soup, so rich and green,
Waiting in a hot tureen!
Who for such dainties would not stoop?



Nog, again, I love you.

My turn! :D

New Patient: But I don't want to go among mad people.
Wilwa: Oh, you can't help that. We're all mad here. I'm mad. You're mad.
New Patient: How do you know I'm mad?
Wilwa: You must be. Or you wouldn't have come here.


edit: x'ed with Nog

[Nogrod]

Heh, the Cheshire Cat acting catch-22? :D

[Pitchwife]

Depends on whether you're asking me because you wanna know if you should lynch me or you want to know if you should Night kill me. Which is it?
If the latter, she wouldn't have to ask; as you should know quite well. So -?*frowns*

Or Pitch and Lottie. Funny you both recognized what I was talking about even if I gave no open reason for tying you two together...
I suppose you mean something along the lines of Lottie for stirring, me for - let's call it "damage control"? Yep, once you mentioned it, it occurred to me we might make a good team. Maybe in another game.
For the record, though, while Lottie replied to your "P&L-in-cahoots"-theory, I didn't up to now, as far as I can remember. So even though you're right, how could you know we both recognized what you were talking about? I don't suppose you can read my mind, or can you?

[Nerwen]

I am getting very concerned about Jonathan now. He is just too sweet and crunchy (all of him). What does he have to hide?:eek:

So let's look at the people who have been most reasonable up to now

That'll teach 'em.

Nope. With no Seer, traces of collaboration are one of the few signs of wolvery detectable by the unaided innocent eye, so the wolves would do their damnedest to avoid that, I think; especially if there are only two of them. (Like the Sith - always two there are of them, master and disciple. Hmmm...) *gets carried away, calls himself to order*

Ah, isn't treachery the way of the Sith?;) How do you know they won't be merrily (and obviously) stabbing each other in the back?

Actually... *assumes serious expression* I'm not sure what we can expect from the current set-up. We've got three unusual factors: two wolves, no Seer, and a tiny village. Would the wolves be able to ignore each other?

That's if we're hunting wolves. We seem to be hunting cobblers toDay. Tally-ho!

EDIT:X'd since Sally at #60.; clarification.

[Nogrod]

Okay the drugs are doing their work and I feel soo sleepy...

On the one hand I could go for Kit as just a lucky shot meeting the description of a wise and careful wolf.

On the other hand I'm tempted to vote for Nerwen because she not only made that infamous "Go wolves" (followed by the IC underlining of her madness as an excuse to say that). It would be bold but intelligent from a wolf or a cobbler. Also her part in opening up / maintaining the Boro-issue back there looks sneaky indeed. Someone said the wolves would just like to sit down, but they also like to steer the first targets of discussion as then it's publicity away from them (the ones who are talked about end up being high on the lynch-list).

Then there would be this Pitch - Lottie duet... but to go for it I'd need to be able to hear more from them (Well, needing to get out at this time leaves the same taste for everyone of you) and right now I have no hope of getting rid of two vocal players who seem to make sense. If Wilwa is right about her math then there should be time to read them more.

A vote in a moment...

[Nogrod]

IFor the record, though, while Lottie replied to your "P&L-in-cahoots"-theory, I didn't up to now, as far as I can remember. So even though you're right, how could you know we both recognized what you were talking about? I don't suppose you can read my mind, or can you?Nope. But you went into a kind of round-about damage control eg. speaking how implausible a close working together of the wolves would be... :smokin:

[Boromir88]

There's a 3/11 chance to lynch someone we'd want to.

7/11 regrettable, but ultimately canon-fodder lynch chance.

1/11 chance at lynching someone we really don't want to.

What's the point in listing the captain obvious stats? Really no point in making tentative, cautious voting, because there's a better chance for the lynch to be a good result, a high chance it'd be bad but only be a flesh wound, and a very minimal chance at a terrible lynch.

[Nogrod]

Why did you have to post that way Pitch?

I was kind of thinking that I'll choose my vote between Kit and Nerwen and now I need to consider brining you guys to the mix as well...

Blah... another cigarette.

[satansaloser2005]

Why did you have to post that way Pitch?

I was kind of thinking that I'll choose my vote between Kit and Nerwen and now I need to consider brining you guys to the mix as well...

Blah... another cigarette.

Alas there's no smoking in this facility. I apologize for the inconvenience.

[Pitchwife]

Nope. But you went into a kind of round-about damage control eg. speaking how implausible a close working together of the wolves would be... :smokin:
*slaps forehead*
Will you believe that my thoughts were nowhere near your theory when I wrote that? If you were right, I'd honestly have to rep you after-game for a damn good catch, but as things are, that was pure coincidence. (Damn - just when I thought I'd caught you trying to fabricate a case...)

[Nerwen]

It's called optimism. Boosts up the moral of the village and makes the wolves think they're chances are lower. I always find the statistics to make it seem like the village has better chances, it makes me more relaxed and then I can think more clearly and enjoy the game better.

Now that those pesky villagers have been lulled into a false sense of security, right?:p

Yeah, I actually disagree. I think since there are only 2 of them and they do have to survive together a while they would actually be more adament about their trust, they don't want to risk one of them dying so they should be more likely to defend each other.

Ye-es.... only it'll be harder then usual for the wolves to control the lynch this early, and if one dies and leaves a clear trail to the other– game over. (Poor widdle fings :( )

So I could see them turning on each other, if it came to that... I mean, it depends on who they are, and what happens.

What we should do is ask everyone what they'd do if they were wolves, and the ones who do the exact opposite are the actual wolves.

Like so:

Nerwen: Jonathan, what would you do if you were a wolf?

Jonathan (squeaky voice): Oooo.... let me see... if I were a wolf, Nerwen, I'd be long, squishy, green and tasteless. Definitely.

Nerwen: Whereas you are in fact round, crisp, red and delicious? *voice drips with irony* Oh, how very convenient!

Nog: Beautiful Soup, so rich and green,
Waiting in a hot tureen!
Who for such dainties would not stoop?

Doc: Don't try that on me. It won't work. Here's the good news: you'll soon be blissfully ignorant of what goes on. How's that?

Nog: Soup of the evening, beautiful Soup!
Soup of the evening, beautiful Soup!
Beau--ootiful Soo--oop!
Beau--ootiful Soo--oop!

Doc: Nuu-urse! The straightjacket, please!

*a mild struggle ensues*

Nog: Soo--oop of the e--e--evening!

Doc: Okay that's it.

*hits Nog with a hammer so that blood spills all around*

Doc: The bad news then... You suffer, beside your overt madness, from a rare syndrom called Europeanismus narcolepticus. It means you will fall in a deep sleep quite so soon...

*starts staring Nog in the eye and swinging a pendulum in front of his eyes*

Nog (resignedly): Beautiful, beautiful soup...

*hits Nog to a head with a hammer, more blood around*

Nog (hardly audible): Beautiful soup! Who cares for fish,
Game, or any other dish...

Doc: Nuu-urse! Nuu-urse! Get this weirdo to room 9, will you?

Stop! Stop! I'll go mad! Mad, I tell you!

...Oh, wait, I already am.

Carry on, then.:)

[wilwarin538]

What we should do is ask everyone what they'd do if they were wolves, and the ones who do the exact opposite are the actual wolves.


What a wonderful plan! But then of course the wolves would do exactly what they said they would so that they look good, so then we have to lynch the ones who do what they say they would do. :rolleyes:

What's the point in listing the captain obvious stats? Really no point in making tentative, cautious voting, because there's a better chance for the lynch to be a good result, a high chance it'd be bad but only be a flesh wound, and a very minimal chance at a terrible lynch.

Yay for optimism!!!

I really have to do homework, I'll keep popping on and off for the next little while. Once this assignment is done I'll skim through and try to establish some suspicions.

[Nogrod]

Okay.

I went back to see what Nerwen actually said in the beginning and am a bit less enthusiastic in voting her. What Pitch summed up in his resumé was in a way correct but Nerwen's actual comments are not actually that much driving the discussion towards Boro but more like just reacting to things said just before.

But to see Pitch being the main source of my heightened suspicion of Nerwen makes me actually raise my eyebrow. A coincidence?

The sudden reaction to my throw-away mention looks suspicious to me (I think it was clear I was suspecting other people more and it was just a mentioning of a possibility). But both Pitch and Lottie went for it immediately.

If one of you two (Pitch & Lottie) is a wolf willing to make friends with an ordo, I'd say it would be Pitch. You have defended her from quite early on with no actual suspicions flying on her and with no good arguments as to why you "trust" her that much.

Then again I see Nerwen posting and adamantly avoiding any talk about her even if she comments my posts...

You guys make me crazy!

Wait... I am crazy already. Does it mean you make me sane again? :D

[Pitchwife]

What we should do is ask everyone what they'd do if they were wolves, and the ones who do the exact opposite are the actual wolves.
Now that's really helpful, thank you.:rolleyes:And that right after making a really good point about wolf strategy in this game. (Yes, Nog and wilwa, I've noted your objections, but I'm not quite convinced yet.)
But d'you know what, Nerwen, this mixture of perfect sense and madness is getting on my nerves...

(x-ed with wilwa)

[Boromir88]

Wait... I am crazy already. Does it mean you make me sane again? :D

'Fraid not, crazy can't cancel out crazy, that just makes you crazy-squared.

[Nogrod]

this mixture of perfect sense and madness is getting on my nerves... The game is working it's theme quite beautifully... beautifully... beautiful Soup!

[Isabellkya]

I did not see anything in Boro's post that looked nefarious.
If there was something to it, then ha; otherwise o.O

Another note about Clowns, and a bit of a fun story. When I was a younger lass; I walked into an arcade with my sister, and the gal behind the counter ran from me. I thought it odd, I did not know her and I am just a young kid, why would I warrant a running away from. I guess she was terrified of clowns, and I had been wearing a sweatshirt with a clown on it. I found it amusing. xD

I do not think it far fetched to say that the majority of posts toDay will be filled with banter that perhaps far surpasses the typical crazy antics of first Days. So things being exploded out of proportion every which way, is I think overoffensive or overdefensive. Whichever way the Jester hat jingles. ;)

I disagree with the sentiment that you can never have too much joking. If the amount of joking is weighted against the actual playing, and is found to be heavier; then it is a bad time we will have in catching the wolves. As it means people can just hide behind the joke aspect of the game, which includes the wolves and cobblers. Then it will mean a tougher time distinguishing between actual joking around and showboat joking. Savvy? (I felt the need of a pirate ending to that statement.)

Yossarian :D

[Nogrod]

I think the last cigarette didn't make me any wiser, and the clock ticks... tic-tic-tic-tic-tic-tic-tic...

(Yes Sally, there's a lavatory that is not guarded and where one can smoke without the guards noticing... made me feel like a teenager again!)

I'd like to vote you Boro indeed!

If for nothing else, then to make you speak your mind at last and not get away with it just defending yourself and being smart & agreeable on general issues.

You have been around, you have been nice, cool and reasonable - and defending. And you have also avoided all possible controversies. Your suspicions? None.

If you're a wolf, then your points I have appreaciated about the wolves being very much able to play together in this kind of game turn out quite cynical points where you loved trying to lead us astray while knowing how the things are...

[Loslote]

Or Pitch and Lottie. Funny you both recognized what I was talking about even if I gave no open reason for tying you two together... :cool:

I'd say this is pretty open:

Pitchwife - I liked his summary and he looks like doing the right thing (unless in cahoots with Lottie).
Loslote - Looks more or less the active stirrer of discussion and the ball-roller she is; feels better than not (unless in cahoots with Pitch).

If one of you two (Pitch & Lottie) is a wolf willing to make friends with an ordo, I'd say it would be Pitch. You have defended her from quite early on with no actual suspicions flying on her and with no good arguments as to why you "trust" her that much.

*shrugs* I can't tell. He could be slipping into being Mr. Agreeable again, but I'm not sure. I'd like to look at him more toMorrow.

I disagree with the sentiment that you can never have too much joking. If the amount of joking is weighted against the actual playing, and is found to be heavier; then it is a bad time we will have in catching the wolves. As it means people can just hide behind the joke aspect of the game, which includes the wolves and cobblers. Then it will mean a tougher time distinguishing between actual joking around and showboat joking. Savvy? (I felt the need of a pirate ending to that statement.)

The statement about joking? 'Twas a joke, dear. ;)

[Kitanna]

I feel like Tolkien and allegory, it's a good story folks...laugh! It really was a good story.

Ack, I have to cast my vote now unfortunately because of my horrendous work schedule today.

I haven't been able to go into detail on all of the posts since my last, but I'll try to make a few hurried comments before returning to work.

Suspicions:
Boro- reaction to the whole hint thing seemed strange to me (I'll try to explain below)
Loslote: the whole hinting thing

1) I understand Boro's unhappiness with having his words picked apart, but seeing as he's such an accomplished player his posts (along with others who fit this category, Nogrod comes to mind) will be picked apart because he's been tricky in the past. However, he should know this is how it works and not get so up in arms about it.
2) Sally's monster post broke things down, but didn't actually provide a whole lot of commentary. Fairly typical behavior, but can't say I agree with this seeing as it could be a possible hiding tactic.
3) Glirdan was the first to say Boro is a hinting baddie. However, looking at the context of the post it's mostly a joke. Loslote jumping onto that and making it something has both a good and a bad side. The good side is it has stirred up conversation, the bad side is that she latched on to that particular idea in a somewhat serious manner. Nerwen does the same sort of thing.
4) I'd like to see Durelin explain her groupings:

Wolves - Round 1

Nogrod
Loslote

Wolves - Round 2

Glirdan
Kitanna
5) About wilwa - this "we've got loads of time and no reason to worry" attitude is something I'd usually overlook (as in not notice), especially as she's so reasonable otherwise. But you're right, it's not exactly conducive to catching wolves. Interesting point and I had actually overlooked Wilwa's post about that. But the part about it not being conducive to catching wolves can also go along with those who are back and forth on Boro's "hinting" issue.

I apologize for this rushed post, but...

++ Loslote

As I said above she took hold of the hinting idea that Glirdan appears to have put forth as a joke. This did stir up conversation, but at the same time Loslote didn't commit to the idea one way or the other. This sort of vague, flip-flipping is an easy way to hide a baddie on Day 1.

[Pitchwife]

Nog, go for me if it makes you happy; I'll deal with that toMorrow (hopefully), right now it just distracts me.

My rendezvous with the bedbugs is drawing near, and so is voting time. So...

Will not vote for:
- Glirdan, for reason given in #56, and I don't really know what to make of the little he posted.
- Kit, because being reasonable is not enough evidence.
- Lottie, not because I 'trust' her, but because I haven't seen any real evidence against her so far.
- sally: she does look innocent to me (too innocent to be true? don't know, wait & see).
- Boro: need to see more of him to get a picture.

Unsure about:
- wilwa: I'm flip-flopping quite a bit about her, with her "Yes-we-can"-attitude...
- Nog: maybe he's trying to fabricate something after all, but I admit I'm biased here.
- Izzy. I considered her lynchworthy for lack of contribution, but I see she's just turned up.

Might vote for:
- Dury for combination of submarining and unexplained suspicions
- Nerwen: another one I'm flip-flopping bigtime about; I'd highly appreciate it if she'd commit to either lunacy or reason, and I usually suspect her way too little - maybe it's time to break that habit.

[Nogrod]

*shrugs* I can't tell. He could be slipping into being Mr. Agreeable again, but I'm not sure. I'd like to look at him more toMorrow.
:eek:
How much more lupine can you get?
:eek:

You're all wolves methinks... :eek:


EDIT: X'd with this page

[wilwarin538]

I think the last cigarette didn't make me any wiser, and the clock ticks... tic-tic-tic-tic-tic-tic-tic...



Croc!!!!

:p

One more little paragraph to perfect and then I can come back on and make a list perhaps, and vote. So be back soon.

[Durelin]

I'm not going to explaining myself this time. No one ever listens anyway.

Too many people... (I know, there's really not as many as usual...)

I'll try to come up with something.

[Durelin]

Aw, I have to double post? I want to give you guys something before people go to bed.

So the reasons for my groupings: the voices in my head? It's like gut feeling. It tells me things. Indigestion does make the voices more talkative.

Basically, Nogrod's first couple posts gave me a vibe of some vague sort. Loslote is annoyingly agree-able and like 'im going to be helpful!' But so is Sally.

Glirdan seemed like low-radar wolf somehow, and Kitanna seemed like 'I'm going to be the sense in this chaos and skate through silly Day 1 mwaha.'

But Pitchwife could be the same thing.

And Isabel is low-radar skater wolf.

Hehe.

[Pitchwife]

OK, a shot in the dark:
++Durelin
Sorry, but we might actually listen if you gave us something to listen to...

EDIT: x-ed with Dury...

[Nogrod]

An inner monologue.

- You should say what you mean.

- I do, at least I mean what I say - that's the same thing you know.

- You might just as well say that "I like what I get" is the same thing as "I get what I like".

- You might as well say that "I breathe when I sleep" is the same thing as "I sleep when I breathe..."

- Say? Mean? Like? Sleep?

- Breathe... Sleep...



Well Pitch, this doesn't make me especially happy, but with Lottie's latest "I'd like to see him toMorrow" I need to stick to something I do think plausible.

++ Pitch


EDIT: X'd with Dury and Pitch

[Pitchwife]

Loslote is annoyingly agree-able
Take that!:D:D:D

You all confuse me. Hopefully the Morning will bring some clarity... Good night.

[Nerwen]

Just a note: my internet has been dying on and off for the last hour or so, so please excuse lack of participation at the moment.

Originally Posted by Loslote
*shrugs* I can't tell. He could be slipping into being Mr. Agreeable again, but I'm not sure. I'd like to look at him more toMorrow.

:eek:
How much more lupine can you get?
:eek:

Hmmn. I'm actually getting more of a cobblerish vibe from Lottie toDay, but maybe that's a hangover from last game.

Now, I may be taking this too personally, but Pitch himself is starting to creep me out:

But d'you know what, Nerwen, this mixture of perfect sense and madness is getting on my nerves...

Might vote for:
- Dury for combination of submarining and unexplained suspicions
- Nerwen: another one I'm flip-flopping bigtime about; I'd highly appreciate it if she'd commit to either lunacy or reason, and I usually suspect her way too little - maybe it's time to break that habit.

Because I made some actual arguments in between being silly– on Day One. In a lunatic asylum. Really.

EDIT:X'd since Durelin at #85.

[Durelin]

"Have you abandoned reason for madness?"

[Nerwen]

"Have you abandoned reason for madness?"

No, I'm perfectly sane. Please ignore the straitjacket.

[wilwarin538]

Actually, if there is any merit to that, he could be Two-Face trying to hint. That should definitely be taken with a hint of salt, though, and hinting is always doubtful.

So initially this post seems quite fine to me. But her later ones don't so much, she did focus on this subject a bit too much, kind of going back and forth between "it looks weird" but then "well, we can't take it too seriously". So I don't know, fishy.

Boro's first post, I don't see anything wrong with it, just a fun story he wanted to share. But afterwards he defended it, then again, then just some little comments here and there and not really much more than that. So I find he spent too much time focusing on something that was not really that big of a deal, and really it's not like someone was gonna vote him just for that, so it didn't really merit the defence. Just seems like he could have said something more pertinent.

Pitch, seems ok I guess, he looks a bit touchy about the joking atmosphere, but I mean this is a game, set in an insane asylum, of course we're going to joke around. If it was Day 3 and we were still doing it, then I get it, but on Day 1 it's no big deal. Otherwise though, I don't see anything odd here.

Nerwen's "go wolves" thing, I don't know why people are taking it so seriously, it was a joke, it's Day 1, we're being silly. Sally wanted to eat me. I wanted to eat Sallycakes. Durelin wanted to eat all of us (oh, and people are suspecting her for that too, everyone is crazy).

I just find that people are looking at the wrong stuff. We look at votes once we have them, we look at interactions between people, we look at peoples' reactions and suspicions and who they trust, and their contributions and such. We should not be looking at random Day 1 in character banter, or stories about our students or clowns. Just seems like grasping at straws to me.

*breaths* Anyways. So Pitch and Lottie do look a bit off to me, but I think Boro is the worst. I just find he made a big deal about people making a big deal out of something little he said. And then there wasn't much else (RL, I know, but he did make some random comments here and there, if he knew he couldn't come back he *should* have said something substantial instead). So. My vote could very well go here.

[Loslote]

:eek:
How much more lupine can you get?
:eek:

I can get a lot more lupine. Like, when I'm a wolf, I'm totally lupine-esque! When I'm not, like now, not so much, no.

But to answer the actual point...

"I'd like to look at him toMorrow" means "I don't find him suspicious and my only problem with him is I'm worried because I don't find him suspicious so I'm going to leave him be for now and look more closely at him later". Better? :rolleyes:

EDIT: xed with Wilwa

[Boromir88]

*breaths* Anyways. So Pitch and Lottie do look a bit off to me, but I think Boro is the worst. I just find he made a big deal about people making a big deal out of something little he said. And then there wasn't much else (RL, I know, but he did make some random comments here and there, if he knew he couldn't come back he *should* have said something substantial instead). So. My vote could very well go here.

Well, I always coming back dear, the thing is I've got nothing. I mean what, throw out a random suspicion about, or throw together an unexplained list? I guess I could do that...won't help me any.

Aside from Nerwen, everyone seems to be playing a bit tight to the vest, and as an admission I've only read half of Nog's posts because I didn't feel like reading arguments with the doctors. (No offense champ)

[Loslote]

Nerwen is actually quite bothering me right now. She speaks sense, but then won't stop evil bantering - and we're all laughing right with her. I think she's pushing it, and she's one of my top suspects.

I feel pretty good about Glirdy, but that's mostly gut feeling. He doesn't have much time to post, so I'm inclined to leave him be for now.

I'm pretty sure about Sally now. I was a bit conflicted before, but she looks much better now...plus I know that Sally doesn't lie about her role. Ever. And she says she's innocent, so I believe her (barring horrible proof against her, that is).

Dury voted for me, so by my Lottie Code of Leaving People Who Vote For Me Be So I Don't Retaliate Angrily, I must...well...leave her be.

I don't know about Boro. He could go either way for me. I'd want to see more from him before I voted him, though.

I also don't know about Nog. I don't think he's a wolf, though. *shrugs*

Wilwa - see Nerwen. Literally, she keeps bantering with her. I'd almost think they were Two-Face/Wolfie, having nice cobbler/wolf bonding time or something.

Izzy hasn't posted much, and what she has posted hasn't had much content. Could be a sub, could just be busy.

I have never played with Kit before, so I'm probably not going to vote for her toDay. She seems to be making sense, though, which could either be furry or nice, depending on how you look at it.

Pitchie has been a little too agreeable for my taste. When he's agreeable, he's often a wolf. Then again, I haven't really been noticing him much, and I think there are others more deserving of my vote, so...

Lottie - what can I say? I'm amazing. :Merisu:

~~~

Suspects:

Nerwen
Wilwa

Sorta suspects...:

Pitchie
Boro
Nog
Dury

No idea:

Glirdy
Izzy
Kit

Sorta trust...:

Sally

Trust:

Lottie

EDIT: xed with Boro

EDIT2: swap all mentions of Kit and Dury. Ups.

[Durelin]

I didn't vote for you, Loslote.

But I'm glad you fear me.

[Boromir88]

Dury voted for me, so by my Lottie Code of Leaving People Who Vote For Me Be So I Don't Retaliate Angrily, I must...well...leave her be.

That's a silly code, if wilwa votes for me I fully plan to retaliate. The problem is I will most likely have to vote before her, so I can only go on what I expect would happen.

[Loslote]

I didn't vote for you, Loslote.

But I'm glad you fear me.

...dang it that was Kit. I'm sowie, I totally switched your names. Lottie fail. :rolleyes::(

[Loslote]

That's a silly code, if wilwa votes for me I fully plan to retaliate. The problem is I will most likely have to vote before her, so I can only go on what I expect would happen.

It is a silly code. I am a silly girl. It all works out in the end. :p

[wilwarin538]

That's a silly code, if wilwa votes for me I fully plan to retaliate. The problem is I will most likely have to vote before her, so I can only go on what I expect would happen.

It's kind of silly to vote people simply because they suspect you. Find something more on me then maybe I won't care, but that on it's own is faulty.

And actually, I have to vote now, so now you don't have to guess:

++Boro

Because of aforementioned reasons and the above quote. No, not because he wants to vote for me, but because he plans to vote for me if I vote for him. There's a difference.

Exhausted. Need sleep.

[Boromir88]

Because of aforementioned reasons and the above quote. No, not because he wants to vote for me, but because he plans to vote for me if I vote for him. There's a difference.


Why so serious? Much <3

[Isabellkya]

Loslote. Nerwen and Wilwa are your top suspects because they speak sense and are bantering?

Why is that suspicious?

[satansaloser2005]

Nog, you are a nutter. A proper, deep, scary nutter. And I love you for it. <3

(And oi, I'm narcoleptic. You trying to imply something? Hehe.)



Now a list.


Suspicious

Wilwa: Like I said, she seems good enough but the tone of her posts just seems off to me, as if she's playing at something more than what she's saying. You know my record of mixing up wolves with gifteds, but I'm going to put her toward the top of my list because she just seems too unreal to be innocent.

Nerwen: I'm recognizing a change from 'normal' Nerwen behavior and whether she's cobbler or wolf I'm leaning toward an evil roled Nerwen more than a gifted Nerwen.

Durelin (?): I think I'm just not used to playing with her since it's been quite a while but she seems off to me. She's not my first choice for the Day (partly because it has been a while since I've played with her) but she's not my last either.


Erm, yeah, that's really as far as I got. Sorry; I'm distracted. But still. Here's a quick and dirty one so you can see where I stand, even if I don't explain all the way.

Guilty
Wilwa
Nerwen

Not as guilty
Lottie
Pitch
Durelin

No real feeling
Izzy
Nog
Glirdan
Kit
Boro



So, erm, yeah. I totally had this post done hours ago but then I left and never submitted it. *shifty eyes* I know. I suck a bit at life. ;)

[Loslote]

Loslote. Nerwen and Wilwa are your top suspects because they speak sense and are bantering?

Why is that suspicious?

No, I think it's suspicious that Nerwen's saying "Oh I'm soooo evil! Haha isn't it hilarious???" and Wilwa's playing along. I doubt if they're both wolves, but I'm pretty sure one is. I think it's Nerwen. Soo...

++Nerwen

[Isabellkya]

What purpose would it serve her, if she were nefarious to go around proclaiming it?
To see if it would be passed off as first Day banter and play?

If she is nefarious and is lynched because of her proclamations; then that would be quite the silly wolf. Or do you supposed she is the Cobbler?

[Loslote]

What purpose would it serve her, if she were nefarious to go around proclaiming it?
To see if it would be passed off as first Day banter and play?

If she is nefarious and is lynched because of her proclamations; then that would be quite the silly wolf. Or do you supposed she is the Cobbler?

She might have been hoping people would say "oh, a wolf would never be so bold, she must be innocent!"

[Glirdan]

Okay, so I'm back after that really long sleep I had...Doctors gave me some meds for my....*attention is grabbed* Oooo!! Look, pretty butterfly! And no I don't mean that crazy girl who only thinks she's a butterfly. :p

Anyways, will go back and read through the posts a little more carefully (only had time to briefly scan through) and make some judgments and a vote.

X'ed with Lottie

[Nerwen]

Back again.

She might have been hoping people would say "oh, a wolf would never be so bold, she must be innocent!"

Yeah, and I might have just been having fun. I mean, your "case" against me seems to be based entirely on one early joke-post. Opportunistic, no? And I also don't like the fact that you really went in on me after I mentioned that I was having problems with internet access.

[Loslote]

Back again.

Yeah, and I might have just been having fun. I mean, your "case" against me seems to be based entirely on one early joke-post. Opportunistic, no? And I also don't like the fact that you really went in on me after I mentioned that I was having problems with internet access.

Actually, I didn't see that. And it was based on more than one post...you do this several times.

[Morsul the Dark]

I just LOVE the Democratic process! Hehe The Rasmussin Poll has the following votes so far!

Kitanna----->Loslote
Pitch------>Durelin
Nogrod----->Pitch
Wilwa----->Boro
Loslote---->Nerwen

Confusion Confusion Everywhere!

Tick....Tock....Tick... (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b6Np5ab-Az4)Tock

[Nerwen]

Actually, I didn't see that. And it was based on more than one post...you do this several times.

Um... not that I recall...:confused:

Unless you call the Jonathan apple-schtick "evil bantering".:rolleyes:

EDIT:X'd with the Joker.

[Isabellkya]

Your reasons, or lack there of confuse me Loslote. Should these of been things that you yourself had thought of before making your vote. As opposed to speculating when I asked after your vote?

Roughly 1.5 hours until deadline Mod?

[Boromir88]

Ummm I've got nothing, another name doesn't seem like not a bad idea...

++Wilwa

[Loslote]

Yay! Go wolves!

One...

Me too. Why, none of us would be having such a wonderful time right now if it wasn't for the Joker!

Two...

Now that those pesky villagers have been lulled into a false sense of security, right?:p

Three after a quick skimming.

Your reasons, or lack there of confuse me Loslote. Should these of been things that you yourself had thought of before making your vote. As opposed to speculating when I asked after your vote?

Roughly 1.5 hours until deadline Mod?

I *had* noticed this before I voted. And I mentioned it in my list post.

EDIT: xed with Boro

[Morsul the Dark]

Roughly 1.5 hours until deadline Mod?

Oh yes Midnight, I'm a man of my word you can trust me http://fc01.deviantart.net/fs32/f/2008/213/1/a/Emoticon___Joker_by_Chfutzin.jpg

[Nerwen]

Two...
Originally Posted by Nerwen
Me too. Why, none of us would be having such a wonderful time right now if it wasn't for the Joker!

Er... Why is that "evil banter"?

Originally Posted by Nerwen
Now that those pesky villagers have been lulled into a false sense of security, right?

Nope. That's a semi-joking accusation. I didn't like the way Wilwa kept repeating that we had plenty of time and nothing to worry about, and I was seeing how she'd react.

That the best you can do?

EDIT:X'd with the Joker.

[Isabellkya]

She might have been hoping people would say "oh, a wolf would never be so bold, she must be innocent!"

My last post had been referring to that comment, Loslote.

[Loslote]

My last post had been referring to that comment, Loslote.

Which comment? I'm afraid you've lost me...

@ Nerwen: It's not so much evil as it is laughing at evilness that could potentially be in you...and acting as though it's funny to pretend.

[satansaloser2005]

Do we seriously have six votes for six different people? You've got to be kidding me....

[Glirdan]

Don't worry, Sally, currently in the midst of going through ALL the posts and trying to come up with an informed decision...Hard to do when you've missed more then half the Day :rolleyes:

[Isabellkya]

What purpose would it serve her, if she were nefarious to go around proclaiming it?
To see if it would be passed off as first Day banter and play?

If she is nefarious and is lynched because of her proclamations; then that would be quite the silly wolf. Or do you supposed she is the Cobbler?

She might have been hoping people would say "oh, a wolf would never be so bold, she must be innocent!"

Your reasons, or lack there of confuse me Loslote. Should these of been things that you yourself had thought of before making your vote. As opposed to speculating when I asked after your vote?

From the your post here in the middle, it had not sounded like you considered the motive behind a Nerwolf playing around in evil banter.

[satansaloser2005]

Gah. I'm really quite tired and have things I want to do before I go to bed, so....

++Wilwa

For the feelings I expressed earlier. If I'm overruled on this fine, but I'm going to go with my gut. And then I'm going to go to bed. ;)

[Nerwen]

Which comment? I'm afraid you've lost me...

The one she just quoted, surely?

@ Nerwen: It's not so much evil as it is laughing at evilness that could potentially be in you...and acting as though it's funny to pretend.

Oh. So... not evil, then? Is that your way of backing down?

Okay, I don't want to focus too much on Lottie–

–Now, other people: I've said I don't like the look of Pitch.

Durelin– nothing really, except that she hasn't contributed much... and Lottie did that odd thing of saying she suspected her, but wouldn't vote her because of her "code".

Wilwa and Boro voting each other in the rather theatrical way they did is kind of interesting. And Wilwa had taken pains to say she thought the baddies would go out of their way to support each other...

EDIT:X'd since Sally at #120.

[satansaloser2005]

Aaaand that's your Daily dose of Sally. If I'm needed I think a good third of you have my number and I can come back if necessary. Now good night! :D


ETA: x'd with Nerwen

[Morsul the Dark]

Kitanna----->Loslote
Pitch------>Durelin
Nogrod----->Pitch
Wilwa----->Boro
Loslote---->Nerwen
Boro---->Wilwa
Sally----->Wilwa


and then there were four...http://msn.mess.be/data/thumbnails/417/batman-the-dark-knight.jpg

[Glirdan]

So one thing I'm noticing right off the bat here is the constant Lottie versus Nerwen posts. Really eyebrow raising for me. Perhaps Wolf on Wolf? However, I do not believe that either of them would be that blatant about it. Yet we cannot count out the fact that they might like us to think this way and thus avoid detection....Hmm.....

Anyways,


Well, that's not entirely true. I found a knife under his pillow. Worried? A bit.

That's funny as I found a blowtorch in YOUR room! :eek:


Why is it always me at the focus of controversy on Day 1s!? Why!?

Certainly not because of your comedic timing cuz you don't have any. I for one was actually just being a nuisance and felt like stirring things up a bit seeing as there was nothing but in character posting (with the odd few here and there).


Nice commentary on the logistics of the game, but it seems a bit too much of a "ra ra village we can do this" post to me. I'm just sayin'.

Which is typical innocent Wilwa (still don't trust you though :p)

To help prove my point a little further about the Lottie versus Nerwen debacle, highlighting the points I find most interesting:


#8 Glirdan makes a typical Day1 banteresque remark that Boro likes to see Batman killed + posted first -> is guilty.
#9 Lottie comments on Glirdan's post that if there's anything at all in Boro's post, it could be a cobbler hint; then immediately cautions against taking that too seriously.
#10 Nerwen replies with what could be seen as a hint of her own and says Boro could be wolf hinting to cobbler.
#11 Lottie takes notice of Nerwen's maybe-hint and cautions further against taking apparent hints too seriously; "don't think we should automatically assume Boro's evil."
#13 Nerwen points out that obvious hints from baddies early in game are rare and continues with maybe/maybe not.
#16 Glirdan is starting to get unnerved by Lottie and Nerwen making more of his remark than he intended. I don't know how serious he was about the unnerving - could be overreaction.
#18 Kit comments on Lottie's ambiguity about the hint question.
#20 Pitch (that's me) questions Glirdan on his reaction.
#21 wilwa doesn't see anything cobblerish in Boro.
#22 Neither does Nog.
#29 Pitch (see above) comments on Nerwen's wolf-cheer and Lottie's ambiguity, is wishy-washy himself.
And thus it goes on with nothing really new, apart from sally's knife joke, which made me coin the metaphor Kit objects to.

The next four posts after my typical Day 1 banter were by none other then the two in question. Bandwagon forming, or am I just delirious?


Glirdan - Confused about him, like I tend to be...

Good to know that some things never change.


Ooh. Nice theory, but it raises a point: I don't think wolves are going to be very close to each other at all, since there's only two. I would think we should be looking more for people studiously ignoring each other and maybe saying "oh, I don't know, maybe they're evil..." than "ooh they're so awesome/evil!!!"

Or perhaps you're just saying this to throw us off because in actuality you and Nerwen are the Wolves and you just don't want us to catch onto it?


Seriously though, I think we should let Glirdan be for toDay, as he's got a RL time issue and may not be able to speak for himself in time.

FINALLY someone who reads the posts in the Admin threads! Thank you!


Nog, again, I love you.

The fact that this is the second time that she said this unsettles me. Her and Nog are usually at each other's throats....Hmmm.....And after reading all of these points brought up about her constant "We have enough time" schpeals, I'm really actually starting to question her motives.


Ye-es.... only it'll be harder then usual for the wolves to control the lynch this early, and if one dies and leaves a clear trail to the other– game over. (Poor widdle fings )

This post makes me leary. I am still quite adamant that she is no ordinary villager...but this makes me lean towards her being a Cobbler and not a Wolf...Thanks for possibly shooting a hole in my Wolf on Wolf theory. :rolleyes:


I'm not going to explaining myself this time. No one ever listens anyway.

Too many people... (I know, there's really not as many as usual...)

I'll try to come up with something.


Aw, I have to double post? I want to give you guys something before people go to bed.

So the reasons for my groupings: the voices in my head? It's like gut feeling. It tells me things. Indigestion does make the voices more talkative.

Basically, Nogrod's first couple posts gave me a vibe of some vague sort. Loslote is annoyingly agree-able and like 'im going to be helpful!' But so is Sally.

Glirdan seemed like low-radar wolf somehow, and Kitanna seemed like 'I'm going to be the sense in this chaos and skate through silly Day 1 mwaha.'

But Pitchwife could be the same thing.

And Isabel is low-radar skater wolf.

Hehe.

Okay, these two posts make me uneasy, but more of "Look at me, I'm the Cobbler" sort of way. No explanation of any sorts from the first post and the second just seems like a "I'm going to just be a menace and make no sense but try to seem helpful" kinda thing...Or maybe that's the delirium again.

Another post to throw me off kilter with Wilwa:


Boro's first post, I don't see anything wrong with it, just a fun story he wanted to share. But afterwards he defended it, then again, then just some little comments here and there and not really much more than that. So I find he spent too much time focusing on something that was not really that big of a deal, and really it's not like someone was gonna vote him just for that, so it didn't really merit the defence. Just seems like he could have said something more pertinent.

And then later, in the EXACT same post (highlighting the important bit):


*breaths* Anyways. So Pitch and Lottie do look a bit off to me, but I think Boro is the worst. I just find he made a big deal about people making a big deal out of something little he said. And then there wasn't much else (RL, I know, but he did make some random comments here and there, if he knew he couldn't come back he *should* have said something substantial instead). So. My vote could very well go here.

Why go out of your way to defend him and then do a complete 180 to discredit him? This post is too flip-floppy for me (which is hilarious considering that I'M usually the flip-floppy one!)


I didn't vote for you, Loslote.

But I'm glad you fear me.

Too obvious to be an outright Wolf confession....and perhaps even a little too outright as a Cobbler...But something just isn't sitting right with me when I see her posts.


No, not because he wants to vote for me, but because he plans to vote for me if I vote for him. There's a difference.

No, no there really is no difference at all. Hmmm......

And that brings me to the end of my extremely long post rummaging....Now for a list of suspects.

Suspect
Wilwa
Nerwen
Dury
Lottie

[B]Unsure
Boro
Nog
Izzy
Kit

Inclined to Trust
Sally
Pitch

Trust
Glirdan
Mod God

Will vote shortly.

[Durelin]

I'm sorry, but don't expect a lot of contribution. I'll be around, but I'm always so busy...busy, busy... Time is a terrible thing to waste. Or is that the mind?

I'm pretty lost and rather wanting to vote people who have no votes. But that is not a good idea at this time. So...of the people who have votes.

++Loslote

Seems the worst to me, though it could very well be her style. I normally suspect Sally because of hers, though I now suspect her more because of her way of going about voting Wilwa. But I don't feel great about Wilwa either.

Ohhh bleh.

[Nerwen]

So one thing I'm noticing right off the bat here is the constant Lottie versus Nerwen posts. Really eyebrow raising for me. Perhaps Wolf on Wolf?

Nope. She's been going after me in what I think is a very opportunistic way, and I've been defending myself. It really is that simple.

EDIT:X'd with Durelin.

[Glirdan]

Gah!!! Don't know who to vote for....Okay, listen to gut instincts time....

++Lottie

Haven't been trusting her since the start of the game after she jumped on the bandwagon after my bantering comment about Boro and everything else that has been said toDay just made me trust her less.

[Isabellkya]

It being the first Day, one can not expect people to make full and substantial cases against whom they are voting for.

I do not particularly like how Boromir said he was going to vote for Wilwa because he thought Wilwa would vote for him. Then it ended up happening.

More that I don't particularly like is the seemingly odd reason that Loslote voted for Nerwen. Could Nerwen be a wolf or Cobbler? Sure, but we all could.

++Loslote


X'd with Glirdan. Bah.

[Isabellkya]

Are there vote retractions?

[Morsul the Dark]

Kitanna----->Loslote
Pitch------>Durelin
Nogrod----->Pitch
Wilwa----->Boro
Loslote---->Nerwen
Boro---->Wilwa
Sally----->Wilwa(2)
Durelin------>Loslote(2)
Glirdan-------->Loslote(3)
Isabel---->Loslote(4)


14 minutes one more votes..... I here 'Hook's Bane' ticking away




NO VOTE RETRACTIONS

It would be unfair to those who had to vote early

[Nerwen]

So I believe we have Wilwa and Lottie in the lead?

I'll probably vote for one of them, but I'm not sure which yet... just a moment...

EDIT:X'd since Glirdan.

[Nerwen]

Oh, well, then–

++Lottie.

[Nerwen]

Like I said, my gut feeling is that she's only the cobbler– but heck, she was a pretty lethal cobbler last time.

Let's hope for the best.

[Morsul the Dark]

DEADline

LOSLOTE shall be lynched. a harmless guard she was

[Morsul the Dark]

"The People Have Spoken... Our first candidate to play a little game with me is LOSLOTE!" Two henchmen came to her room and dragged her out of the hall. A few moments passed then she appeared on screen with the Joker. "Ah Lottie Lottie Lottie. Do you like games? Here's one of my favorites." Joker pulled a monopoly box from under his chair. "Would you like to play?"

Frightened Loslote nodded slowly unsure what was happening.

"Oh look a get of jail free card. That's always helpful. Tell you what I'm feeling charitable have this card. I'll let you use it for real. Like The Monopoly man you'll fly away from here. Sound good?"

Loslote began to weep overjoyed that she would live.

"Alright then if your going to fly out of here you'll need wings!HEHEHAHAHA" The two henchmen grabbed here slamming her face down on the table Joker Took a staple gun and began painfully attached a pair of costume wings up and down her back. "Fly little bird Fly HAHAAHAHA!"

With that Loslote was sent through the window a camera from the security room caught the poor young woman plummet into the ocean.. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QWSeBu1Ef58)..dead.


Night Folk do your thing

Alive(For Now)
Nerwen
Sally
Wilwa
Pitch
Glirdan
Boro
Kitanna
Isabel
Nogrod

DEAD
Loslote-Ordo-Guard

[Morsul the Dark]

Two-Face flipped his coin... Heads He decided to venture into the hall. Looking left and right he couldn't decide He once again flipped his life became dependent on the coin. It was his entire thought process his conscience. He was useless without it.

He took a few steps before hearing the growl behind him. There was no way the ring had betrayed him. He turned and faced the monstrosity know as Croc. Croc ate human flesh the jury was out wether or not it could be called Cannibalism or not. "HEHEHE.... I like Dark Meat mmmm" Two-Face couldn't decide whether to run or Fight. Before the coin hit the floor his body was already torn in half. The Human side left bleeding out across the floor as a trail followed Croc eating as he went.

The sun had rose. And Hopes had risen the wretched Boro, Two-Face was gone.

Alive(For Now)
Nerwen
Sally
Wilwa
Pitch
Glirdan
Kitanna
Isabel
Nogrod

DEAD
Loslote-Ordo-Guard
Boro- Two-Face(Cobbler)

[Kitanna]

Boro as the victim? Erm...I'll get into that later. First off I'll like to go over the votes from yesterday.

Me: voted Loslote for her overly agreeable nature toward Glirdan's comment about Boro hinting.
Pitch: stated it was a shot in the dark and voted Durelin, saying we'd listen if she'd say more.
Nogrod: voted Pitch, didn't really give a reason in the vote post (I'll dig it up later I suppose)
Wilwa: voted Boro on the basis of his defense toward his first post. At one point she states his first wasn't what raised her suspicions, but it was his defense of it.
Loslote: votes Nerwen No, I think it's suspicious that Nerwen's saying "Oh I'm soooo evil! Haha isn't it hilarious???" and Wilwa's playing along. I doubt if they're both wolves, but I'm pretty sure one is. I think it's Nerwen.
Boro: votes Wilwa, though he admits to having nothing
Sally: votes Wilwa, feeling her tone is off. "too unreal to be innocent"
Durelin: votes Loslote, not entirely sure why. Loslote wasn't in her pairing group from her earlier posts and she's not mentioned in her explanation post either.
Glirdan: votes Loslote as well. Comments on her jumping onto the hinting joke he had made in regards to Boro's first post.
Isabellkya: voted Loslote. Seemed to be more interested in Nerwen or Boro as a baddie though, at least that's how I read it.
Nerwen: voted Loslote thinking maybe she was a cobbler.

So...who looks the worst?
I'm assuming I'll be looked at because I cast the first vote for Loslote.
But I think Durelin, Glirdan, and Wilwa to some extent look the worst.
Durelin: She pairs off some possible wolves, but doesn't mention Loslote and yet still ends up casting her vote for her. Now Durelin has said she's busy and can't contribute much, so does her lack of explanation have to do with lack of time or something more sinister?
Glirdan: His vote breaks the Wilwa-Loslote tie bringing Lottie's vote count to 3 while Wilwa's is 2.
Wilwa: her vote for Boro is suspect because he died. It's probably too early for a daring bluff of having a wolf vote for that night's victim, but I wouldn't put it past wolf-Wilwa.

I was inclined to include Isabellkya because of her Lottie vote, but I don't find it overly suspicious right now. I'll be taking a closer look at posts after some sleep so this opinion is inclined to change. For now the three listed above look the most suspicious to me based on their votes.

[Durelin]

Oh that's hilarious!

Also hilarious:

Durelin: votes Loslote, not entirely sure why. Loslote wasn't in her pairing group from her earlier posts and she's not mentioned in her explanation post either.

She pairs off some possible wolves, but doesn't mention Loslote and yet still ends up casting her vote for her. Now Durelin has said she's busy and can't contribute much, so does her lack of explanation have to do with lack of time or something more sinister?

More quotes!!

Wolves - Round 1

Nogrod
Loslote

Loslote is annoyingly agree-able and like 'im going to be helpful!' But so is Sally.

P.S. - I also don't care to contribute much.

[Durelin]

Btw, forgive me my sillyness.

*gives everyone cookies before she scuttles off*

I don't care if you think I'm furry or not, I just don't want you to hate me. <3

[Kitanna]

Wolves - Round 1

Nogrod
Loslote
Hax! I was rushed and focused on Nogrod, Glirdan and myself when I was rereading. I strike my earlier comments about Durelin from the records because I'm stupid and clearly unable to read. :rolleyes:

[Isabellkya]

Haha.
The Cobbler as the First Night kill choice.
I am not sure you can get better, save for a wolf killing themselves I suppose.

[Nerwen]

Haha.
The Cobbler as the First Night kill choice.
I am not sure you can get better, save for a wolf killing themselves I suppose.

We certainly owe Lottie an apology! I mean, she was right about him all along... and we went and lynched her.:rolleyes: Lucky we have such nice, helpful wolves...

Now, the obligatory why-was-he-killed? bit:

Wilwa: her vote for Boro is suspect because he died. It's probably too early for a daring bluff of having a wolf vote for that night's victim, but I wouldn't put it past wolf-Wilwa.

It's at least possible. Also the reason she gave for voting him wasn't the best, even by Day One standards.

Glirdan: His vote breaks the Wilwa-Loslote tie bringing Lottie's vote count to 3 while Wilwa's is 2.

He does makes a case against Wilwa herself here (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=624769&postcount=127). All the same, it's rather wishy-washy and doesn't make that much sense, and in the same post he also describes her "ra-ra village" posting that other people found suspicious as "typical innocent Wilwa". Hmmn.

EDIT: formatting.

[Pitchwife]

Haha.
The Cobbler as the First Night kill choice.
I am not sure you can get better, save for a wolf killing themselves I suppose.
Joining wilwa in the optimist camp?:)
To be sure, it's nice to be rid of the cobbler this early, and the only way we could have fared better up to now would have been catching a wolf yesterDay instead of that (sadly predictable) Lottiewagon. Let's just not get over-confident; pride comes before the fall, and all that.
Speaking of said wagon, I'm more than a bit puzzled by Izzy going after Lottie so aggressively after this earlier post of hers:
I disagree with the sentiment that you can never have too much joking. If the amount of joking is weighted against the actual playing, and is found to be heavier; then it is a bad time we will have in catching the wolves. As it means people can just hide behind the joke aspect of the game, which includes the wolves and cobblers. Then it will mean a tougher time distinguishing between actual joking around and showboat joking.
which, unless I'm completely misunderstanding something, seems to support Lottie's (and my own) uneasiness about Nerwen's jokes with good reasons. So whence the later attack on Lottie for saying that Nerwen's bantering looked like a disguise for evil? Wasn't she saying the same thing in other words?

And Nerwen, I'm sorry if I've come across as a humourless git, and I appreciate your playing according to the theme and all that, but it freaked me out because I found it impossible to get a read on you from that behaviour (not that it's that much easier when you're being serious, but still), and I suspected that could well be the purpose behind the whole act. The reason why I didn't actually vote you was that by voting time, I'd flip-flopped from "no she wouldn't" to "but then again, she might" and back to "but not really" so much that I wasn't sure myself anymore what I was currently thinking...
In clear Daylight, I'm inclined to think your performance yesterDay would fit a cobbler better than a wolf, and as the real cobbler is now accounted for, I'd have to say you look better toDay - if it wasn't for your vote driving the last nail into Lottie's coffin. Now that looks opportunistic to me...

[wilwarin538]

Wow. It's quite unusual for us to actually be happy about the person who dies at night, haha.


So first I have to comment on this post quite a bit, since it's bugging me, so I'm gonna get it out of the way right off the bat.


Another post to throw me off kilter with Wilwa:

Boro's first post, I don't see anything wrong with it, just a fun story he wanted to share. But afterwards he defended it, then again, then just some little comments here and there and not really much more than that. So I find he spent too much time focusing on something that was not really that big of a deal, and really it's not like someone was gonna vote him just for that, so it didn't really merit the defence. Just seems like he could have said something more pertinent.

And then later, in the EXACT same post:

but I think Boro is the worst.

Why go out of your way to defend him and then do a complete 180 to discredit him? This post is too flip-floppy for me (which is hilarious considering that I'M usually the flip-floppy one!)

This is just wrong. I did not do a 180 in that post, because that first quote is certainly not me defending him, it's actually me making my case against him (yes, it was weak, but it was Day 1). I did in an earlier post say that his defense was all right, but my problem grew when he was making little, and somewhat useless posts instead of contributing. So my point became that if he knew he wouldn't be able to contribute that much later on because of RL, then he shouldn't have bothered making that long defensive post and should have talked about something else instead. I would not call that me "going out of my way to defend him".

And you're still the flip-floppy one. :p


I'm not voting him because he voted me, I'm voting him because he wants to vote me for voting him. There's a difference.

No, no there really is no difference at all. Hmmm......


Yes, yes there really is. If he voted me with some reason for suspecting me, then cool, whatever. But he didn't have anything against me except that I voted him, and that's not quite so cool.

Then Glirdan first says my optimism is typical innocent Wilwa, and then later in the EXACT same post (yes, I'm mocking) he says that that makes me look bad, because other people brought points against me for that. So he himself didn't find it suspicious, rather innocent looking actually, but later after seeing that others found it suspicious, now he does too. Yes, still the flip-floppy one.

Glirdan, if you insist on always suspecting me then please atleast try a bit harder to interpret what I say properly instead of twisting my words around, cause that only leads me to suspect you, and you're usually innocent when I suspect you, so I'd rather not continually be wrong.

Ok.


Joining wilwa in the optimist camp?

It's fun here guys, you know you want in. :Merisu:


I need to get some breakfast.

I'll be around randomly throughout the day.

[Pitchwife]

Concerning the other riders on the tragic wagon, it should be considered that Kit and Dury haven't played much (if at all) with Lottie before, and therefore may be excused for finding suspicious what looked to me at least more or less like typical regular ordo-Lottie. Not quite the same for Glirdan.

Others:
Nogrod: voted Pitch, didn't really give a reason in the vote post (I'll dig it up later I suppose)
He didn't really have to, he'd been suspecting me for quite a while before because of me supporting Lottie and vice versa and me saying the wolves wouldn't do such a thing.
Having slept over it, I must admit his case against me doesn't look as fabricated as I thought yesterDay - meaning I sort of see how he got there; the only thing that's wrong with his theory is that it happens to be - well, wrong.:p

Boro and wilwa voting each other: it's obvious from the Night-kill that the wolves had no idea Boro was the cobbler (and isn't it sort of strange that they didn't even consider the possibility after yesterDay's controversy about his first post?), so I'm afraid wilwa's vote doesn't really tell us anything about her, neither pro nor con. It's quite clear, however, that Boro thought her innocent.

sally voting wilwa: consistent with her earlier suspicion of wilwa on the grounds of forced optimism. That's not that much of a reason, but seems OK for a Day 1 vote.

(x-ed with wilwa. Interesting points about Glirdan...)

[wilwarin538]

it's obvious from the Night-kill that the wolves had no idea Boro was the cobbler (and isn't it sort of strange that they didn't even consider the possibility after yesterDay's controversy about his first post)

It is rather odd. Maybe they didn't think a cobblerBoro would do something so obvious? Or they may have seen something in another person's post that they took as a cobbler hint? It's hard to tell, but yeah, they certainly didn't see it as a possibilty, unless they wanted to kill the cobbler or didn't care about the cobbler, but both of those seem unlikely. But whatever the reason, it definitely boosted up my optimism. ;)

[Nogrod]

A lot has been talked about the Lottie-wagon but there has been a relative silence as to what makes that wagon suspicious in the first place. Voting an innocent is not a mark of suspiciousness as such - we all do it all the time.

That means we should also consider why voting Lottie was suspicious if we say it is suspicious.

To my mind there are two things of some importance in any bandwagon in general.

Firstly if there is a kind of consensus about who to lynch it is easy for the wolves to blend in. Especially if they have been careful enough earlier not to make too elaborate points on other people so as not to look like making a 180.

This could fit the last voters of Lottie.

Secondly they might wish to join a rising tide in hopes of saving their mate from trouble.

The only competition for Lottie was Wilwa so this could fit those who voted to bring Lottie even and past her. Also if Wilwa is a wolf, the wolves might have felt uneasy with Boro's vote and thus be more inclined to kill him at Night.

The problem for me is that at least now I don't feel Wilwa to be especially suspicious, but that is in no way an informed position. I need to check her posting a bit more closely when I come back.

[Pitchwife]

Some musings on Glirdan:
To help prove my point a little further about the Lottie versus Nerwen debacle, highlighting the points I find most interesting:
[extensive quote of the summary provided by yours truly, Pw.]
The next four posts after my typical Day 1 banter were by none other then the two in question. Bandwagon forming, or am I just delirious?
and later
++Lottie
Haven't been trusting her since the start of the game after she jumped on the bandwagon after my bantering comment about Boro
Maybe I'm being dense, but which bandwagon exactly is this he keeps talking about? To the extent that there was any such thing at all in the posts he's referring to, it was directed at Boro, and it never really got rolling as far as actual votes were concerned (although, with hindsight, that wouldn't have been such a bad thing), as Lottie and Nerwen were busy at each other's throats by then, so why this strong reaction?

And some musings on Nog:
But to see Pitch being the main source of my heightened suspicion of Nerwen makes me actually raise my eyebrow. A coincidence?
Really? After this
And talking of cobbler hints, Nerwen's "Yay! Go wolves!" is on a class of its own. That she pleads insanity doesnt't do away the fact that she decided to voice that sentence in the first place.
and this
Nerwen - I feel uncomfortable with her right now. The more people say she was probably just joking with her "Go wolves!" the more plausible it seems as a cobbler-tactics (or even wolf-tactics)... if you see what I mean. Your tendency to believe it a joke makes it a worthwhile deception.
and this
If you look for the bold, look for Nerwen or Dury
you still needed me to heighten your suspicion? And after I'd discussed both the pro's and cons of a cobbler- or wolf-Nerwen acting like she'd been doing?
And speaking of coincidences, I can't help but find it funny (not furry, but funny) that right after I'd suggested looking for wolves among the reasonable people (including you, and thanks for returning the favour) your very next post was the entertaining rhapsody to 'Beautiful Soup'...:D

[Nogrod]

you still needed me to heighten your suspicion?
Actually yes, I did.

The thing that raised my eyebrow first was her open declaration of supporting the wolves, in a joking manner of course. A joke or not, but you can see the end-result: most people think she is not a baddie because a baddie wouldn't do such a thing. Ergo: what should a wise wolf do? Just that.

Think of it from the perspective of a tight lynching with Nerwen and someone else facing the gallows, and how people would pick and choose their votes if they had no better ideas: "Gosh I can't say which one I suspect more but one of them is going to get lynched... what am I gonna do? Hey, Nerwen made that joke on D1! Surely a wolf wouldn't do that, would one? Oh, she must be the innocent one so I'll vote the other candidate."

Now someone of you say: "hey, but we're discussing her post now so it is not true it was a good move for a wolf!" But how much would it have been discussed if I hadn't incessantly kept it up?


But *back to the subject* yes, your analysis raised my suspicions to the next level - at least at first. The fact that Nerwen made that one post saying "Go wolves!" is quite a little in the end - and not a reason to campaign against a brilliant mind like hers on D1.

On Day1 mind you.

Anyway, when I came back to the computer and read your analysis of how the Boro-suspicion was born and how it developed it looked to me (on the basis of your analysis) that Nerwen was being the proponent who nicely drove the discussion towards Boro and that could be said to look wolvish as well: taking points from others and carrying them forwards to keep up the discussion and suspicions on safe-people (so not one of your own).

So your analysis really made me think about Nerwen's guilt with added strength. There were now two things I suspected her on. And there's a difference there. You have a thought "this might be suspicious indeed". Good but quite thin. You have another thing that fits well with your first suspicion... it starts to be much more believable.

Then I looked back at the first posts just to be on the safe side with my suspicions of Nerwen and found out that the feeling I got from there was quite different from what I got from your analysis. Thus it made me suspect Nerwen less and, not miraculously, to suspect you more for willing to make Nerwen look bad.


On the Glirdan's bandwagon issue: I think Glirdy meant the continuous talk about Boro. At least that is how I read it. Also I'm not sure if I would call it a strong reaction. It might as well be just falling short of any better reason.

Votewise Glirdy's vote is crucial though as he puts Lottie in the lead over Wilwa. So I'm not saying I think him innocent. I think none of you as innocents right now. But I'd say the thing that makes Glirdy suspicious is not his "strong reaction".

[Kitanna]

After some wonderful sleep I'm back and plan to look into those I listed as my top suspects earlier.

Glirdan:
Post 1:Okay, so Boro is a Wolf because he talked about a student killing Batman in a picture, and had first post, and I just plain think he's going to be no help on this camping trip. Sure, he's good at cleaning and cooking, but we're in the middle of the Sahara Dessert with no bathroom in sight!
This is what started the whole discussion of Boro hinting at something. This looks to be pretty much in-game banter. The same goes with his remarks toward Durelin in the same post. He lists Wilwa as a wolf based on principle.
Post 2: And I think Lottie and Nerwen are reading into this whole first post thing a little too much. Starting to unnerve me and if they don't stop I'm going to go and tell mom!! Mentions Lottie and Nerwen because of how they have responded to his in-game banter against Boro.
Post 3: Nothing of substance, just a "hi, I'm back post"
Post 4: Another of the same, stating he's trying to come up with an informed decision.
Post 5: So one thing I'm noticing right off the bat here is the constant Lottie versus Nerwen posts. Really eyebrow raising for me. Perhaps Wolf on Wolf? However, I do not believe that either of them would be that blatant about it. Yet we cannot count out the fact that they might like us to think this way and thus avoid detection....Hmm..... Again makes mention of Lottie and Nerwen as a possible pair.
In this post he also responds to Boro's frustration at having his joke post picked apart. Yet he does nothing but defend his own joke post about Boro possibly hinting. Also he says once more he doesn't trust Wilwa, he says it with a smile so clearly she's not a real suspect to him.
He highlights a post by Pitch that breaks apart the Boro-hint posts thus far. Calls it a bandwagon.
Quotes one of Lottie's posts and accuses Nerwen and Lottie of being wolves.
Then he goes after Wilwa.

Nog, again, I love you.
The fact that this is the second time that she said this unsettles me. Her and Nog are usually at each other's throats....Hmmm.....And after reading all of these points brought up about her constant "We have enough time" schpeals, I'm really actually starting to question her motives. He turns his attention that has been consistently on Nerwen and Lottie to Wilwa who until now has been nothing more than a running joke "I don't trust you on principle, haha." I find it odd that he continually accuses Wilwa (not seriously of course), but questions her motives in regards to Nogrod when she is not doing anything toward Nogrod that he's not doing toward her.
This post makes me leary. I am still quite adamant that she is no ordinary villager...but this makes me lean towards her being a Cobbler and not a Wolf...Thanks for possibly shooting a hole in my Wolf on Wolf theory. Now the post of Nerwen's he comments on suggests two wolves will distant themselves so as not to leave a line to the other so early. It seems to me he abandons his thoughts of Nerwen as a wolf based on this. Why should she be the cobbler and not the wolf? Why couldn't it be Lottie who was the cobbler in his mind?
Okay, these two posts make me uneasy, but more of "Look at me, I'm the Cobbler" sort of way. No explanation of any sorts from the first post and the second just seems like a "I'm going to just be a menace and make no sense but try to seem helpful" kinda thing...Or maybe that's the delirium again. This is in regards to Durelin.
Next he goes after Wilwa again saying she's doing a 180 on Boro. To me it doesn't look like she is and rather he's twisting her meaning.


I didn't vote for you, Loslote.

But I'm glad you fear me.
Too obvious to be an outright Wolf confession....and perhaps even a little too outright as a Cobbler...But something just isn't sitting right with me when I see her posts.
Shenanigans.
Suspect
Wilwa
Nerwen
Dury
Lottie
Is this list in order of top suspects? If so Lottie is at the bottom and Wilwa is his top suspect. If not then, well call me Stumpy because I don't have a leg to stand on with this particular post.
Post 6: Votes Lottie Haven't been trusting her since the start of the game after she jumped on the bandwagon after my bantering comment about Boro and everything else that has been said toDay just made me trust her less.
He had been suspecting her throughout, but in the post before this he seemed to be making a case for Wilwa. Interesting.

I'm moving him to the top of the list because he pushed Lottie out of the tie with Wilwa. Now I have a few theories on this.
Wolf-Wolf: Glirdan and Wilwa are both wolves. Glirdan changed his tune about Nerwen when she stated wolves wouldn't be interacting too much so soon. This could be a plan to say "hey look, I wouldn't have gone after Wilwa on Day 1 as a wolf" should Wilwa die and be shown a wolf. If they're both wolves it would explain why he broke the tie when it seemed like he wanted to vote Wilwa.
Glirdan Wolf- Wilwa Innocent: Glirdan kills Boro at night in the hopes it will make Wilwa look bad today. Obviously Wilwa had just enough suspicion to garner two votes yesterday and Glirdan thinks he can use it to his advantage.

I feel like Glirdan's interaction with Wilwa and his vote for Lottie (vote placement especially) are too neat and tidy. RL is taking him away from posting much, but when he does post the conclusions he comes to are not right to me.

x-post with Nogrod and Pitch

[Isabellkya]

Pitch. Loslote was suspicious of Nerwen over her "evil bantering"; not the entirety of joking. That post of mine that you quote was in response to a Loslote post where she stated that "you can never have too much joking". In response to my sentiments of disagreement, she stated that she had been joking.

Which bugged me just a bit.
It looked like she had not thought about why Nerwen would be "evil bantering" on the First Day if she were wolf, before she voted. Which struck me as odd. Which can be quoted.

What is wrong with optimism? Perhaps you are on the wrong side of the village to appreciate not having a cobbler around any longer. ;)


X'd with Kitanna.

[Kitanna]

Wilwa:
Post 1: Her "ra-ra, go village" post. This optimism seems to have struck a chord with some. Honestly, that isn't that odd to me.
Post 2: Doesn't trust Glirdan on principle, like he doesn't trust her. Banter, banter, banter.
Post 3: Says she doesn't see Boro's "hinting" post as suspicious. Is back and forth on if it's a hint or not, but states she's more concerned with catching wolves not cobblers.
Post 4: Reaffirms not being suspicious of Boro amongst banter.
Post 5: Banter
Post 6: Muffin vs. cupcake, the final battle
Post 7: I think this is also more likely. Every Day 1 there has to be atleast one person who jokingly says they're for the wolves/are a wolf, when they likely are not, just to joke around and stir the pot and whatnot.
Post 8: Defends Boro's reaction in regards to his post being scrutinized. Defends her optimism from her very first post.
Post 9: Comments on Nerwen's plan of asking everyone how they would act if they were wolves.
Post 10: Nothing of real substance.
Post 11: Comments that lottie's original post suggesting taking hints with a grain of salt weren't troubling, but the more she posted on the matter the more uncomfortable Wilwa was made.
Boro's first post, I don't see anything wrong with it, just a fun story he wanted to share. But afterwards he defended it, then again, then just some little comments here and there and not really much more than that. So I find he spent too much time focusing on something that was not really that big of a deal, and really it's not like someone was gonna vote him just for that, so it didn't really merit the defence. Just seems like he could have said something more pertinent. This is one of the quotes Glirdan claimed Wilwa was doing a 180 on Boro. She's pretty against him here. However earlier she had defended Boro's defense of himself. But like Lottie's initial post about hinting she changes her mind the more Boro goes on about it.
Comments that pitch is touchy about the silly aspect of the gaming atmosphere. She continues on about the different between jokes and serious. Mostly in regards to Nerwen's "go wolves" comment.
I just find that people are looking at the wrong stuff. We look at votes once we have them, we look at interactions between people, we look at peoples' reactions and suspicions and who they trust, and their contributions and such. We should not be looking at random Day 1 in character banter, or stories about our students or clowns. Just seems like grasping at straws to me.
Some real sense amongst all her silly banter. ;)
So Pitch and Lottie do look a bit off to me, but I think Boro is the worst.
I find it interesting she cites Pitch as a top suspect. Mostly because earlier in this post she says: Pitch, seems ok I guess
Post 12: Votes for Boro because her aforementioned things. Also she doesn't like that he's voting for her if she votes for him.

From yesterday's posts there's nothing that is overwhelmingly suspicious to me. Wilwa provides a good blend of silly and serious for Day 1. Though she raises my eyebrows because of how she goes from defense to attack (for Boro and Lottie specifically), but it doesn't feel sinister to me. I'm not inclined to trust Wilwa just yet, but I'll be moving my suspicions to the back-burner at present.

[wilwarin538]

Ok, some thoughts.

Durelin's first post today is interesting. She pointed out that Kit was mistaken in saying that Lottie hadn't been on her original list and that she never explained her vote for her, but actually Lottie had been on her list and she did explain her vote for her. Kit, were you perhaps mixing her up with someone else?

I find it interesting she cites Pitch as a top suspect.

I think I said I found him a bit off, I didn't really list him as a top suspect. He just seemed a bit touchy about the joking atmosphere, really I don't see anything else wrong with him.

So at this present time I find myself in the situation that I often find myself in. Not having enough suspects. :rolleyes: Nog looks good, Pitch looks good, Kit looks good. Izzy and Sally are in my "under the reindeer" category. Dury and Nerwen confuse me, I don't necessarily see them as being suspicious, but I certainly don't trust them either, it's more like I'm having a crazy hard time getting a read on them. Glirdan, well you all know how I feel about him.

So basically at this time he looks worse to me. If I absolutely had to suspect someone else I'd probably go with Dury or Nerwen, since the others I either feel kind of good about or just have nothing at all on them, while these two I'm more on the fence.

Question: was it ever clarified whether there would be a secret role or not? I remember Morsul mentioning at some point that it was possible, but I can't remember if he ever confirmed...

[Pitchwife]

Anyway, when I came back to the computer and read your analysis of how the Boro-suspicion was born and how it developed it looked to me (on the basis of your analysis) that Nerwen was being the proponent who nicely drove the discussion towards Boro
That may have been in the eye of the beholder, or it may be a case of brevity distorting what I meant to say. Nerwen's part in the Boro discussion wasn't what I found suspicious about her, as most if not all of it was comments on Lottie's posts; I thought that would be clear from the analysis, but obviously it wasn't.:o
I suppose I could claim in turn that your constant harping on Nerwen's mad wolf cheer fuelled my suspicion, but to be fair, I remembered it myself. Let's just use our own minds and not follow leaders, OK?

Izzy - the way you explain it, I suppose it makes sense. But
Perhaps you are on the wrong side of the village to appreciate not having a cobbler around any longer.
Go back to #146 and read my second and third sentence again. Do not pass Go.:rolleyes:

(EDIT: pedantic bolding)

[Pitchwife]

More on Glirdan: I agree that he was twisting wilwa's position about Boro, and while that could be explained (if not excused) by assuming that he skimmed over the thread in a haste with no time to read properly (RL time constraints and all that), taken together with his critical vote for Lottie it does look suspicious.
And I don't really know why, but his whole reaction to the Boro-discussion still just doesn't feel right to me. Now I've got this little hypothetical scenario in the back of my head which I'm gonna put out there for you to tell me if it makes any sense or shoot it down if it doesn't:
- Glirdan jokes that Boro is evil because of his first post
- finds that Lottie is taking his joke seriously and interpreting it as a possible cobbler-hint by Boro; and (assuming for the purpose of this little story that he's a wolf) realizes, "Gosh, she may be right! What have I done?"
- attempts some damage control by attacking Lottie (and Nerwen) for taking him seriously and starting what he calls a bandwagon against Boro
- attacks wilwa because she turned from defending Boro to suspecting and voting him
- votes Lottie because she started the whole wretched affair, and maybe also because it looks less like an open support for Boro than following up on his alleged suspicion of wilwa.
What doesn't seem to fit this scenario is the Night-kill, obviously; except if the wolves
- decided that Boro had already attracted too much attention to do them much good as a cobbler,
- tried to frame wilwa,
- knowingly killed the cobbler because they thought we'd think they never would.
Truly and honestly, I don't know if that makes any sense. You tell me.


-

[wilwarin538]

I have to head out to work now, so I'll be back in about 5.5 hours, that's when I'll vote and such.

[Pitchwife]

Now come on people, where is everybody? Don't make me triple-post! And what crazy game is this anyway where I'm heading the post-count? The world turned upside down...


I didn't vote for you, Loslote.

But I'm glad you fear me.
Too obvious to be an outright Wolf confession....and perhaps even a little too outright as a Cobbler...But something just isn't sitting right with me when I see her posts.
While I obviously agree with his general feelings about Dury (who would have guessed?;)), I'd just like to point out that this post of hers in itself doesn't look suspicious to me. Some players just take it as a compliment to be feared, regardless of their current role.

(x-ed with wilwa. Oh well...)

[Kitanna]

Durelin's first post today is interesting. She pointed out that Kit was mistaken in saying that Lottie hadn't been on her original list and that she never explained her vote for her, but actually Lottie had been on her list and she did explain her vote for her. Kit, were you perhaps mixing her up with someone else?

This was a mistake on my part. I was focusing on vote posts pretty exclusively and in Durelin's vote post there didn't seem to be much of a reason. When Durelin pointed out my folly I went back to read her posts and realized I'd made a mistake.

[satansaloser2005]

Sorry, sorry. I've been avoiding the computer (to some extent at least) and alas won't be around for much more of the Day. So some quick thoughts.


Pitch is thinking too much. I don't think he's necessarily guilty for it, but he's giving me a headache. (Okay, I already have a headache, but still.)

Durelin's gone bloody mad. Maybe she thinks she'll look better if she's insane? ;)

After looking through Nog's posts (sorry, but I'm too lazy to type out all my analyses for you to see at this time, though I'll try to do better on another Day) I think he's probably innocent. A bit of a nut job, but not lethal.

Nerwen's clearly not the cobbler, since he's dead. Therefore I stick to my earlier suspicion; she's acting like she has a role, and I'm fairly certain that if she's got one I know what it is.

Wilwa's still snuggling me the wrong way, but I'm strangely more certain of my position on Nerwen at this point so I may let the muffin slide toDay.

Kit put up that lovely post on Wilwa but to me it didn't contain anything but "she said"s and "by which she meant this"ses. She looks fishy....erm, wolfy. But I don't know what she's thinking exactly so it could be that (as she said) she just didn't get a vibe from Wilwa one way or another.

Speaking of which, there's far too much discussion about Wilwa. If she's a wolf, fine, but she's not the only one, so let's diversify some more, kthnxbye.

I've got nothing on Izzy, and it disappoints me.

Glirdan's insanely busy and as bad as it sounds I'm willing to give him a pass for toDay just because I know he wants to participate more. Hopefully that participating more doesn't involve eating me. :eek:



And with that I've got to get to a few things around the house, and possibly have a short nap. I'll be voting majorly early (probably in the next three or four hours) so apologies in advance. And now I'm off!

[satansaloser2005]

Clarification: I should say that that post by Kitanna looks wolfish to me. I've yet to decide on Kit herself. Sorry, I realized I'd phrased that completely wrong.

[Pitchwife]

Pitch is thinking too much. I don't think he's necessarily guilty for it, but he's giving me a headache. (Okay, I already have a headache, but still.)
I know; it's giving me a headache, but with time on my hands and the village buzzing with this much action [/irony], what am I supposed to do?
Actually, a short nap sounds like a good idea. I'll set my alarm clock to wake me in time before DL. See ya.

[satansaloser2005]

I know; it's giving me a headache, but with time on my hands and the village buzzing with this much action [/irony], what am I supposed to do?
Actually, a short nap sounds like a good idea. I'll set my alarm clock to wake me in time before DL. See ya.

Meh, fair enough. May as well make yourself useful while you can, eh? And enjoy the nap! :)

[Nogrod]

what crazy game is this anyway where I'm heading the post-count?We'll need to do something about that... :)


Okay. I was looking back at yesterDay's voting and what was said before it by those who were elemental in lynching Lottie.

Sadly I'm not sure if I'm any wiser now.


Dury ties Lottie with Wilwa 27 minutes before the DL.

She is absolutely non-readable. She's had Lottie on her list (of four to seven) from the very beginning but the only reason given is that she is "annoyingly agree-able and like 'im going to be helpful".

The final voting argument is: "Seems the worst to me, though it could very well be her style".

The only people she never mentions are Nerwen and... Wilwa!


Glirdy puts Lottie in the lead 17 minutes before the DL.

Holds on to his Lottie & Nerwen are wolves idea from early on. Has also Dury on his list of suspects. The familiar "never trust Wilwa" there but also points against her; especially the controversial 180...

Says he doesn't know who to vote and to go with guts - clearly knowing he put Lottie in the lead. Then again they're friends (Wilwa and him that is) so it might be an understandable choice. But not a redeeming one.


Izzy adds to Lottie's lead 13 minutes before the DL.

Joined Nerwen in grilling Lottie quite heavily. Finally ends up not liking the way Boro voted Wilwa (premeditated retaliation) and Lottie voted for Nerwen ("seemingly odd reason" was the phrase).

To me Lottie's vote was one of the most reasonable ones so I can't quite get that oddity involved. And the determination with which Izzy pursued her would have earned her a medal were Lottie a wolf. :)

She asked after her vote whether there are vote retractions. I'm quite puzzled about that. It seems like underlining the "fact" that she X'd with Glirdy's vote and was taken aback by the sudden wagon of votes... So was it looking too obvious or were she genuinely surprised? Her post is short enough to have been written in four minutes anyway.


Nerwen sealed the deal 6 minutes before the DL.

I'll come back to that in a minute. *Sorry about the inconvenience*

[Nogrod]

So Nerwen then...

She joined Izzy in grilling Lottie after saying she looked more like a cobbler than a wolf. Didn't want to focus too much on Lottie after the interrogation was over. Didn't think Dury suspicious, suspected Pitch and mentioned Wilwa as an interesting case.

Faced finally a choice between Lottie and Wilwa and went for Lottie seeing it was a done deal. Though she elaborated after her vote that: "my gut feeling is that she's only the cobbler".

I'm not sure if I like that add-on. No more than I like Izzy's question for retractables. It makes one sense some bad conscience there, in both cases.


Well anyway. As I said in my earlier post: I'm not sure if I got any wiser. There are points to suspect all the four and there are reasons not to.

I try to do something else before I need to vote.

[Durelin]

Hey there -- even though Kit isn't looking shiny to me, don't take up anymore about her messing up my posts. They were hardly clear, anyway, much less full of substance. Besides, I never read every post in a thread, and most of the ones I do 'read' I really skim. (Now you all know why you love me so much!)

Anyway...my gut is full of bad feelings for people. Except Sally all of a sudden for some reason. I'm kinda not caring about Glirdan or Wilwa (except for her last post, esp. her first lines which make no sense...I need to go back and look) right now. Isabel is bothersome in her barely existing, and Nerwen...I have no idea. Kitanna is creepy.

Nogrod and Pitch are bothering me. They've both taken opportunities to say how much they thought Loslote was innocent and reasonable. How nice and dandy of you two, but does it matter? Yes yes, you'll say I'm just bitter that I didn't get it right and voted for her...hah! If I was bitter every time I lynched a helpless innocent... Also, Nogrod for his thing on Nerwen's 'yay wolves' comment. Yay innocents = wolf, yay wolves = wolf...

Nogrod - I don't think I mentioned Boro either (technically I mentioned everyone in my list post, tyvm), but seeing as he was Two-Face I guess that won't get me very far. :P

[Durelin]

Hmm, so...Kitanna gets a free pass? I know you said that you though the later voters more likely to be wolves, but does #2 really count as later? :Merisu:

Interesting point about Isabel's question about retraction.

[Nogrod]

I was actually reading Kit as she gives the creeps to me as well... but if you're online Dury we could discuss about your irresponsibility of not reading the thread. :rolleyes:

[Nogrod]

Kitalysis ("kita" in Finnish means roughly "a gaping mouth", like one of a wild beast :eek:)


DAY 1

#18
Shortly coming into the discussion with two short comments.

#40
Doesn't understand the discussion of a Boro-train and says most comments have been wishy-washy and thence easy places for wolves to hide. Questions Boro's touchiness.

#81
Says she can only make a few hurried comments - and gives a full page of analysis...
Suspects Boro for overreacting and Lottie for the "hint-issue".

The final reason for her vote on Lottie was: As I said above she took hold of the hinting idea that Glirdan appears to have put forth as a joke. This did stir up conversation, but at the same time Loslote didn't commit to the idea one way or the other. This sort of vague, flip-flipping is an easy way to hide a baddie on Day 1.


DAY 2

#140
Starts the Day with a voting analysis that ends up with the following: So...who looks the worst?
I'm assuming I'll be looked at because I cast the first vote for Loslote.
But I think Durelin, Glirdan, and Wilwa to some extent look the worst.I don't like the middle-line.

Dury and Glirdy are her suspects because of their votes to bring Lottie over Wilwa and that is understandable logic. Her reason to include Wilwa is a more interesting one. She says she wouldn't put it past Wilwa to vote for Boro and then kill him at Night to daringly bluff herself to look innocent. I do think this quite far-fetched indeed and do wonder whether there could be something there revealing some thought processes of the wolves?

#143
She corrects her error after Dury notified her of it (that Dury had listed Lottie as a wolf early on D1 contrary to what she had said). But the interesting part here is the explanation why she had not seen that post by Dury: I was rushed and focused on Nogrod, Glirdan and myself when I was rereading.Now that is interesting. She said of me in her analysis: Nogrod: voted Pitch, didn't really give a reason in the vote post (I'll dig it up later I suppose)!!!
I think I discussed Pitch quite a many times in quite a many posts yesterDay and she hadn't noticed it although she said she had read the thread focusing on me (with Glirdy and herself?). And what does it mean that you read the thread focusing on yourself? A wolf would focus on the impression she gives or how others talk of you... There is something wrong here.

#153
Makes a lengthy analysis on Glirdan and concludes that he is suspicious. Comes up with alternate theories of Glirdy and Wilwa being either wolf-wolf or wolf-innocent. Ends up with: I feel like Glirdan's interaction with Wilwa and his vote for Lottie (vote placement especially) are too neat and tidy.

#155
Makes a lengthy analysis on Wilwa and concludes there is nothing overwhelmingly suspicious in her (so bye-bye G&W wolves-theory then?). Wilwa provides a good blend of silly and serious for Day 1. Though she raises my eyebrows because of how she goes from defense to attack (for Boro and Lottie specifically), but it doesn't feel sinister to me. I'm not inclined to trust Wilwa just yet, but I'll be moving my suspicions to the back-burner at present.

A short break now. Then some comments. A vote. And to bed.

[satansaloser2005]

Well I have to vote very soon. Gah, I hate it.

I'm thinking Kit; not only do I suspect her*, it appears others do too. Reassures me that I'm not completely crazy (or that others are too, but then again....) so I'm willing to take the risk as she's one of my top suspects.


Other than that, I'd go for Wilwa or quite possibly Nerwen. Actually, in the opposite order from what I've just listed, though either would be fine with me. I will not vote for any of our fine men folk, save Nog, who appears to be a bit different than usual. Then again, we are in a mad house, so perhaps I'll let him slide. ;)


*I looked over her posts and decided that it wasn't just that one post that bothered me. I'm sorry I don't have time to do a complete explanation.

[Nogrod]

Well I have to vote very soon. Gah, I hate it.
As well.

I trust innocent:
none

Might be innocent:
Dury - Declaring that openly that she doesn't bother to read the thread and playing in that manner would be just mocking the game all the others are trying to play if she were to win that way. So it's hard for me to believe she's a wolf.
Sally - A gut feeling mostly, amybe also because her suspicions seem to quite near my own and thus it feels like she talks sense... :)

Two wolves here (?), in the Joker's lists order:
Nerwen - I would really liked to have seen more of her toDay. YesterDay I suspected her more than I do now. It would have been nice to see whether that would have changed had she posted more.
Wilwa - The enigma. A key to many riddles but not suspicious enough to me to vote I quess. Still a host of controversies seem to entangle around her which could make it reasonable to check her.
Pitch - Mr. Reasonable again. I hate it when he's polite and nice and stabs you at the back at Night. I'm wavering with him. I might vote him again but my feeling says not to.
Glirdan - He's been somewhat erratic but that is the reason why I hesitate as I know he can surpass even Lommy in that. :D
Kitanna - Very cool and collected, active, substantive... and still I feel something is wrong with her. NB. also the problems I brought forwards in my "kitalysis".
Isabel - She has been careful, much too careful to my taste. YesterDay she only jumped on Lottie and practically had nothing to say on anyone else (she notified Boro's reason to vote Wilwa to be sure) and toDay she has just defended herself.

[Nerwen]

Okay... just finished reading the thread.

First off, I'd like to say that I'm not sure why this suspicion of Kit (from Nogrod, Sally and Dury), as she hasn't struck me playing evilly, and in fact seems to me one of the most reasonable and useful players.

Now, to comment on something Kit herself said–

#153.

This post makes me leary. I am still quite adamant that she is no ordinary villager...but this makes me lean towards her being a Cobbler and not a Wolf...Thanks for possibly shooting a hole in my Wolf on Wolf theory

Now the post of Nerwen's he comments on suggests two wolves will distant themselves so as not to leave a line to the other so early. It seems to me he abandons his thoughts of Nerwen as a wolf based on this. Why should she be the cobbler and not the wolf? Why couldn't it be Lottie who was the cobbler in his mind?

Also– this is perhaps a little thing– but why is he "adamant" that I'm "no ordinary villager"– when his suspicion of me was based entirely on the theory that Lottie and I were wolves staging a fight? It sounds to me like he's just echoing Sally at #104, where she says

I'm recognizing a change from 'normal' Nerwen behavior and whether she's cobbler or wolf I'm leaning toward an evil roled Nerwen more than a gifted Nerwen.

And in fact all his suspicions have that "going with the flow" look to them. Reminds me a lot of the way he played last game.

As for Sally herself– in that same post, all her suspicions are variants of "Just seems evil. Yeah." Which is, at best, very lazy playing.

[Nogrod]

It is between Kit and Izzy for me.

Kit has been more active - and I don't mean only the number or length of her posts - but the fact that she makes opinions of people and argues suspicions. That is something I appreciate (that is what I call playing this game in the first place) and something which enables us others to read her like we when posting our thoughts make it possible for the othjers to read us.

There are some problematic issues with her (like her odd claim that she had focused on me while reading and admitting she needs to go back to check my points on Pitch as she hadn't read my posts) but also things that look pretty innocent (like she first entertains a Glirdy-Wilwa wolves-theory while analysing Glirdy but after analysing Wilwa throws it away).

Of Izzy I'd like to quote from Dury actually: And Isabel is low-radar skater wolf.She has been very careful not to make anyone feel bad or unhappy with her. She only jumped on Lottie, secured she was lynched and went *puff* away again. Yes, she mentioned Boro: I do not particularly like how Boromir said he was going to vote for Wilwa because he thought Wilwa would vote for him.But unless I'm mistaken, that was the only critical word she made on anyone (except Lottie that is).

I smell opportunism, "do not rub anyone the wrong way"-tactics and "low-radar skating". All of them wolvish approaches to werewolf. And if she's going to continue that way there will be no way of saying anything more of her even later, whereas Kit comes forwards making points and analysis from which we can later either catch her or start to carefully trust her.

*Runs to have a final cigarette to think it once again... and then to bed with a vote.*

EDIT: X'd with Nerwen... good to see someone online for a change!

[satansaloser2005]

K, so alas I have to go. Like, erm, now. So I must vote.



++Kit




Best of luck to all the innocents at lynching a wolf toDay (hopefully Kit lol) and I hope to see you all toMorrow. :)


Oh, and Nog? Go to bed, darling. ;)

[Nogrod]

Oh, and Nog? Go to bed, darling.I'm going... I'm going...

++ Izzy

For the reasons mentioned in my last two posts above.

[Pitchwife]

Not going to vote for:
- Kit: I find her analyses sound and helpful, with no misrepresentation or other signs of wolvery as far as I can detect; don't quite get what's supposed to be so creepy about her;
- Nog: speaks sense and seems to be himself so far;
- wilwa: she is a bit of an enigma, but doesn't seem terribly furry all in all;
- sally: would have liked to see some more of her, but she still seems to ring true;

Unsure about:
- Izzy: don't know, I can't really make head or tail of her;
- Dury: pity she's so detached from the game, makes it hard to read her;

Still suspect (but not to the point of voting for now):
- Nerwen: hasn't said much toDay that would appease my doubt, but I feel I may have been tunnel-visioning on her, so need more to decide;

Probably going to vote for:
- Glirdan: looks most furry at the moment, for various reasons addressed in #158 above.

[Pitchwife]

So to be done with it:
++Glirdan

Back to bed. Good night/Night.

[wilwarin538]

So I've just come back from an epicly terrible shift, where I felt sick the whole time, and so I kind of just want to crawl into bed and die. I was originally planning on re-reading everything tonight before voting, but I don't think I can last that long, so I'm just gonna vote now.

++Glirdan

Shouldn't come as a suprise.

*enjoys being labelled The Enigma*

*takes the drugs the nice man in the white suit gives her, crawls into her padded cell, and hopefully sleeps for many many hours so she can be well rested to see Wonderland tomorrow*

x'ed with Pitch

[Nerwen]

More on Sally:

Well I have to vote very soon. Gah, I hate it.

I'm thinking Kit; not only do I suspect her*, it appears others do too. Reassures me that I'm not completely crazy (or that others are too, but then again....) so I'm willing to take the risk as she's one of my top suspects.

Then she votes her.

Which would all be fine– except that I was apparently Sally's top suspect earlier, for some reason, while she was on the fence about Kit– until Nogrod and Dury started going after her and looked like they might vote her.

EDIT:X'd since Nogrod.

[Durelin]

Now, while I don't like Sally's attitude there, I think that it's interesting that you're acting like I was going after Kitanna when I called her 'creepy' along with other simple negative remarks about people.

Apparently it was picked up by both Nog and Sally, but I must say they took 'creepy' and somehow turned it into 'ah yes I agree with your case against her.' Sorta.

The mind is such an annoying thing...

[Isabellkya]

I do not think that people should be excused for their votes because they may not of played with someone previously. All games are open to be read and viewed by non-playing and playing participants alike. Each player is new to the game once, and thusly can be treated like a new player - but they are not given a free pass from lynchings and Night Kills.

Perhaps the wolves were thinking that the Cobbler was still cursed.

I believe on the post where Morsul said what the roles would be before he sent them, he stated their "might" be a Secret role. The actual word was 'maybe', but it did not fit in that sentence cohesively

Yes, that is a point Pitch; however we are playing Werewolf here, where the tools involve manipulating and deceit - especially for the nefarious side.

I had not expected a vote for Loslote from Glirdan, Nog. It appeared bandwagony to me, which is why I had asked if there were retractions.

:rolleyes: @ Nog.
98% of the time I am labeled as a submarine, under-the-radar player. Last game you said that I was "careful", I do recall you being a wolf then. Repeat performance?


Nerwen - I now think of her in terms of the other Loslote voters, and I believe there to be atleast one wolf amongst us. Knowing it is not I. There are the other four. I have a bad gut feeling, that Nerwen was holding on to her vote to see where things went - and it involved finagling of players. Hard to describe it, but when Durelin cast her vote for Loslote yesterday, it made me question a Loslote vote in my head, but I placed it anyhow. Then when I saw Glirdan vote for Loslote. Summation: Bad gut feeling.

Sally - I do not like how she has said some things and insinuated others. Especially given her previous statements and her voting of Kitanna in relation.


Wilwa - I had been thinking that Boro's behavior and vote from yesterday could of been an attempt at a signal to the wolves? "Wilwa is going to vote for me (if she is a wolf, she will.) Then she votes for him (I see you Cobbler.) Then Boro votes her in return, as he predicted (I see that you see me.) But no. I do not like her interactions with Glirdan; she seemed to be asking him to say or do something suspicious, so she could suspect him - and then use metagame to say he was innocent.

Pitch - I do not like how he wanted to give Durelin and Kitanna excused passes for their votes yesterday. Could he be wolfmate to one of them? His defense of Loslote as well struck me as odd, his certainty. There are very little certainties of information in werewolf, and this game - only the Wolves can be certain.

Glirdan - I do not like his bandwagon vote of yesterday.

Kitanna - I do not see the nefarious attributes that others do.

Izzyl - me

Nogrod - I do not like how he insinuated that I feigned crossposting with Glirdan. That is just dirty play. The majority of my reason to suspect him are meta-game, soo..

X'd with Durelin.

[Isabellkya]

Pssst Morsul, Durelin was left off of the player list.

Durelin - I really do not know what to think about her. My gut says middle-nefarious.

[Kitanna]

(like her odd claim that she had focused on me while reading and admitting she needs to go back to check my points on Pitch as she hadn't read my posts)
It wasn't that I hadn't read your posts. It was at the time I made that post I was only rereading the vote posts and that was my focus, rather than what had been said earlier. As for focusing on you, Glirdan, and myself those were the three names I remembered from Durelin's grouping. I have obviously been unclear in some of my statements as of late, which never goes well for me. :rolleyes:

Anyway...

++ Glirdan

As I stated before I haven't really liked his interaction regarding Wilwa or how his suspicions ran yesterday. His vote placement was odd and it broke a tie. Was it to save his fellow Wilwa or was it to cast suspicions on her? Or was he just trying to seal an innocent's fate?

[Durelin]

My gut says middle-nefarious.

That's chaotic evil to you, Ms.!

I don't like how Nogrod decided I was apparently innocent all of a sudden and started actually...quoting me and re-iterating things I've said about people. Well, he did it twice. That's...more than once.

I have no idea about Glirdan. And I have no idea who to vote for.

Isabel - the way I saw Pitch's giving of free passes was that really he meant it as a 'i of course knew Loslote was innocent, but these other peoples well...maybe they're problem is that they don't know her like I do...'

So it still bothers me.

I forget what else I was going to say bc I have someone talking in my ear...

[Isabellkya]

I was going to say neutral-nefarious. But neutral implies neither side, so I changed it to middle.

[Durelin]

Let's change things up.

Sally or Nogrod? Both are bothering me, both seem opportunistic. I don't like the tactics (for lack of a better word) they are using for their choosing who to suspect and who to deem probably innocent. They seem calculated. Funny I'm lumping those two together...

As I said, I have someone talking in my ear...

++Sally (satansaloser2005)

[Isabellkya]

My gut is saying pretty much everyone toDay, and I do not think I ate anything rotten.

+Durelin

[Nerwen]

So, I'm running out of time here. Out of the people who already have votes, I'll go for

++Sally.

Not liking Glirdan either, but she's started looking even creepier lately.

EDIT:X'd with Izzy.

[Morsul the Dark]

Deadline counting votes and making narration

[Morsul the Dark]

"Glirdan my boy!" Joker ushered Glirdan into a seat. "You're our lucky Winner! Too bad you're a Whack-a-Doodle.... You know what that kind of sounds like a fun game!" Joker reached for a baseball bat.

Batman looked on in disgust as Joker beat the poor patient to death for no other reason than to entertain himself. Blood oozed from Glirdan mouth and nose as it pooled on the floor from his wounds. Only by the mercy of chance was the horrid site blocked as blood splattered the camera.

"Don't worry Bats your turn soon.... I Promise"

Amongst the Living

Nerwen
Sally
Wilwa
Pitch
Kitanna
Isabel
Nogrod

Dead...Dead....Dead!! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iDj03tDeUMY)
Boro-Two Face
Glirdan-Ordo Patient
Loslote-Ordo Guard

[Morsul the Dark]

The living(If you call it that)

Nerwen
Wilwa
Kitanna
Isabel
Nogrod
Durelin

Dead...Dead....Dead!
Pitch-Ordo Patient
Boro-Two Face
Glirdan-Ordo Patient
Loslote-Ordo Guard
Sally-Ordo Guard

[satansaloser2005]

I don't mean to complain, Morsul dear, but could you possibly list the dead in the order that they died from now on? I got so confused when I logged on to find Lottie apparently dead a second time. :rolleyes:



Alas, poor Pitch, I thought he was innocent. :(


I'm very tired but I'll make some fancy conjectures and things later, when I'm more likely to make sense. Until then, good night. :)

[satansaloser2005]

No posts? Really? Sadness. Ah, well, a list then before I actually fall asleep.


So as a note, I made this list without the benefit of my internet; that way I can just pop on and post it later. With that in mind, please forgive the lack of actual evidence evidence; I’ll do some analyses later but right now I just am being lazy. Or, as Boro would say (maybe lol) if he were here and not semi-evil: I simpwy can’t be bovvered to twy anyfing at vis time.

Sally: Clearly innocent as the snow that’s melting in my backyard.

Nerwen: Her tone and overall Nerwen-ness just leads me to believe she’s guilty, and she’s trying to discredit me which makes me think I’m on the right track. It’s possible I’m paranoid, but of course each time I think I’m paranoid about her I turn out to be exactly correct. Thus, I say she’s a wolf until proven innocent.

Wilwa: I’m still leaning guilty, but the majority of my feelings were based on her first Day posts so I’m willing to let her go for right now. She’s still in suspicion for me though; I just consider Nerwen to be both less of a risk and more of a priority. Besides, if Nerwen’s a wolf, I’m pretty sure Wilwa will turn out to be her partner.

Durelin: Sillier than usual? And yet not? I’m confused. I need to take a good, solid look at her and decide what I think, as I keep changing my mind.

Izzy: I’d like to tell you all a very personal story about my dearly departed grandmother. One day, around the holidays, she went out to the local pharmacy, as she’d run out of her heart pills and needed to refill her prescription. She never came back, and I’ll never forget the look on my grandfather’s face when they buried her. I’ve no idea what happened, but we weren’t allowed to see Santa at the mall ever again. (All of which to say that Izzy’s playing Rudolph. I don’t know if it’s intentional or not, as she may be busy, but even when she does post I find myself forgetting what she’s said, or that she’s said anything at all. Disconcerting? Ya think?) All in all I need to watch her, but I’m probably going to be unwilling to vote for her toDay.

Nog: He’s another that I’m taking for granted. I seem to be agreeing with him a lot, though, and for Nog and I to do that he either is majorly screwing with me or he’s innocent; we generally don’t agree on a whole lot. *snuggles him, gives him a cookie* At this point I’m still leaning toward innocence in his case, and I’m fairly comfortable with that (at least for the time being) so unless he does something really outlandishly stupid I won’t vote for him either.

Kit: Still suspicious of her based on the way she’s acted, but considering how sure I am about Nerwen I’m not entirely sure she can be a wolf, as I’m picking up no buddy vibes (for lack of a better word) between them. Of course a good wolf leaves absolutely no trace of her packmates, but....I don’t know. I need to look at interactions between Kit and others and decide where she fits in the grand scheme of grand and wolf hunting. If I’m wrong about Nerwen, however, I’m going to be insanely certain that Kit is a wolf.


So basically I’m picking up a few ideas for wolf packs, just based on me remembering what I’d seen yesterDay and the Day before. Some of them are very unlikely, while others just make too much sense to be the case. Then again, isn’t that the way a good wolf pack should be?

Wilwa/Nerwen
Wilwa/Durelin (just a hunch and a gut, really, nothing to base it off of)
Kit/Izzy (would be good for a wolf like Kit to have a quiet partner)
Nog/Durelin (we would so be screwed, no joke)
Nog/Nerwen (ah, a crafty team indeed, and if Nog was a wolf it would make sense)
Nerwen/Izzy (again with the quiet partner, and I just sense a vibe thing between them)
Wilwa/Kit (very possible, though I’d need to investigate it more)
Durelin/Kit (an unlikely pairing, but lack of likelihood based on their behavior makes me think)
Sally/Fea (Clearly the evil ones. Let’s lynch them straightaway!)

[Nerwen]

Nerwen: Her tone and overall Nerwen-ness just leads me to believe she’s guilty, and she’s trying to discredit me which makes me think I’m on the right track. It’s possible I’m paranoid, but of course each time I think I’m paranoid about her I turn out to be exactly correct. Thus, I say she’s a wolf until proven innocent.

That's nice, Sally. Do you ever plan to make a genuine case against me, or indeed anyone? Or is it going to remain, "Just, you know, feels evil... *shrug*"

And why am I back at the top of your suspicion-list toDay? Why did you switch from me to Kit yesterDay, and now back again? Well?

[Isabellkya]

I don't get your Rudolph reference. Rudolph had a red nose, how can one forget Rudolph? He has his own song.

Sally said that she thought you had a role, and if you did, she knew what you were. Which there are two known roles left in the game, so.. since she did not vote for you, that leaves one known role. Which if it were true would be a silly thing for her to say. So, I think it a bunch of bologna. I don't like bologna, it is the equivalent of a pancaked hotdog. You could insert the almost obligatory "why did you point it out"; well It was pretty obvious, and I doubt the wolves are thaaat daft.

[Nerwen]

I don't get your Rudolph reference. Rudolph had a red nose, how can one forget Rudolph? He has his own song.

Maybe Prancer would have been better?

Sally said that she thought you had a role, and if you did, she knew what you were. Which there are two known roles left in the game, so.. since she did not vote for you, that leaves one known role. Which if it were true would be a silly thing for her to say. So, I think it a bunch of bologna. I don't like bologna, it is the equivalent of a pancaked hotdog. You could insert the almost obligatory "why did you point it out"; well It was pretty obvious, and I doubt the wolves are thaaat daft.

Well, I've taken it as an accusation, since in the next line she uses it a reason not to vote Wilwa, while claiming to suspect her:

Wilwa's still snuggling me the wrong way, but I'm strangely more certain of my position on Nerwen at this point so I may let the muffin slide toDay.

[Morsul the Dark]

I don't mean to complain, Morsul dear, but could you possibly list the dead in the order that they died from now on? I got so confused when I logged on to find Lottie apparently dead a second time. :rolleyes:

Ahh but If you read the Narration you'd know who had died.... I mean there's only maybe what? 5 lines Hardly long winded don't you think

[wilwarin538]

Pitch? I suppose it makes sense, I know more then one person commented on how he was acting a bit differently this game so he could have been seen as a possible Batman.


I don't get your Rudolph reference. Rudolph had a red nose, how can one forget Rudolph? He has his own song.

Sally said that she thought you had a role, and if you did, she knew what you were. Which there are two known roles left in the game, so.. since she did not vote for you, that leaves one known role. Which if it were true would be a silly thing for her to say. So, I think it a bunch of bologna. I don't like bologna, it is the equivalent of a pancaked hotdog. You could insert the almost obligatory "why did you point it out"; well It was pretty obvious, and I doubt the wolves are thaaat daft.

*giggles at first line and doesn't like bologna either*

See my bolded and underlined parts, nice little pattern going on here:



Sally: Clearly innocent as the snow that’s melting in my backyard.

Nerwen: Her tone and overall Nerwen-ness just leads me to believe she’s guilty, and she’s trying to discredit me which makes me think I’m on the right track. It’s possible I’m paranoid, but of course each time I think I’m paranoid about her I turn out to be exactly correct. Thus, I say she’s a wolf until proven innocent.

Wilwa: I’m still leaning guilty, but the majority of my feelings were based on her first Day posts so I’m willing to let her go for right now. She’s still in suspicion for me though; I just consider Nerwen to be both less of a risk and more of a priority. Besides, if Nerwen’s a wolf, I’m pretty sure Wilwa will turn out to be her partner.

Durelin: Sillier than usual? And yet not? I’m confused. I need to take a good, solid look at her and decide what I think, as I keep changing my mind.

Izzy: I’d like to tell you all a very personal story about my dearly departed grandmother. One day, around the holidays, she went out to the local pharmacy, as she’d run out of her heart pills and needed to refill her prescription. She never came back, and I’ll never forget the look on my grandfather’s face when they buried her. I’ve no idea what happened, but we weren’t allowed to see Santa at the mall ever again. (All of which to say that Izzy’s playing Rudolph. I don’t know if it’s intentional or not, as she may be busy, but even when she does post I find myself forgetting what she’s said, or that she’s said anything at all. Disconcerting? Ya think?) All in all I need to watch her, but I’m probably going to be unwilling to vote for her toDay.

Nog: He’s another that I’m taking for granted. I seem to be agreeing with him a lot, though, and for Nog and I to do that he either is majorly screwing with me or he’s innocent; we generally don’t agree on a whole lot. *snuggles him, gives him a cookie* At this point I’m still leaning toward innocence in his case, and I’m fairly comfortable with that (at least for the time being) so unless he does something really outlandishly stupid I won’t vote for him either.

Kit: Still suspicious of her based on the way she’s acted, but considering how sure I am about Nerwen I’m not entirely sure she can be a wolf, as I’m picking up no buddy vibes (for lack of a better word) between them. Of course a good wolf leaves absolutely no trace of her packmates, but....I don’t know. I need to look at interactions between Kit and others and decide where she fits in the grand scheme of grand and wolf hunting. If I’m wrong about Nerwen, however, I’m going to be insanely certain that Kit is a wolf.


Ok. So the reason I bolded some bits are because for many people she says "I need to look at" or "I need to watch". The reason this bothers me is because it's Day 3. People saying such things on Day 1 makes sense, because it's like you're laying out who you plan to watch on the other days, but by Day 3 you should have been able to make enough observations to substantiate stuff. Obviously everyone keeps watching people and says that here and there, but I just don't like how much she's saying it for so many people, like she doesn't have a case but she's assuring us that's she's working on getting one. The highlighted bits are all of the "I feel" and "I sense" bits. I know she's just going off by memory when she posted this. But still, it seems that's always her reason.

I don't know. I find myself still feeling quite good about Nog and Kit. Nerwen and Izzy are still not doing anything I find overly suspicious, while at the same time not doing anything I find totally trust worthy, so I'm neutral there for now. Dury and Sally are the ones that I haven't completely understood the whole game and by now I just feel they should be a bit more solid, though Dury was not quite as mysterious yesterDay as she had been the Days before.

I'm kinda not caring about Glirdan or Wilwa (except for her last post, esp. her first lines which make no sense...I need to go back and look)

Yes, the part where I had mentioned that one post of yours and then asked Kit if she had gotten you mixed up with someone else. I had somehow missed her post right after yours where she had explained it, so really I was trying to get clarification for something that had already been clarified. My mistake.

[wilwarin538]

Knock Knock. Anyone there?


Anybody?


*looks inside the teapot*


OK then.


Well even though I feel like I could faint at any moment I still have to go to work in 1.5 hours. So I'll show up randomly until then but after that I won't be back for quite a while, til about 2.5 hours before DL.

At this present time I would be prepared to vote for Sally. Possibly Dury, but still don't feel like I really have enough of a feel for her yet, hopefully after her contribution today I'll start to lean more in some sort of direction.

edit: oooh, page 6, and it only took 3 Days to do it. ;)

[wilwarin538]

A list, because I'm running out of time and I want to get people posting! (I wrote this in a bit of a rush)

Nogrod: is acting like his usual self in my opinion.

Kit: I actually feel very good about her, she has good reasoning and I was surprised to see that she has almost the least amount of posts, because to me it seems like she's contributed quite a bit.

Durelin: so I took a closer look, see these posts:

even though Kit isn't looking shiny to me, don't take up anymore about her messing up my posts. They were hardly clear, anyway, much less full of substance. Besides, I never read every post in a thread, and most of the ones I do 'read' I really skim. (Now you all know why you love me so much!)

Anyway...my gut is full of bad feelings for people. Except Sally all of a sudden for some reason. I'm kinda not caring about Glirdan or Wilwa (except for her last post, esp. her first lines which make no sense...I need to go back and look) right now. Isabel is bothersome in her barely existing, and Nerwen...I have no idea. Kitanna is creepy.

Nogrod and Pitch are bothering me.

Now, while I don't like Sally's attitude there, I think that it's interesting that you're acting like I was going after Kitanna when I called her 'creepy' along with other simple negative remarks about people.

Apparently it was picked up by both Nog and Sally, but I must say they took 'creepy' and somehow turned it into 'ah yes I agree with your case against her.' Sorta.

The mind is such an annoying thing...

(she later votes for Sally, choice between her and Nog)

So first she suspects Nog and Pitch, and says she does not have bad feelings for Sally. She also says Kit is creepy and not shiny. The thing with Kit is that later (in that second quote, bolded part) she then says basically (atleast the way it seems to me) "oh, I called her creepy but I don't suspect her", and she doesn't seem to understand why someone would come to that conclusion in the first place, since she called it "interesting" (to me, creepy=suspicious, doubt I'm the only one to think that). Which seems odd to me. Then later she votes for Sally, when in that first quote it looks like Sally was the only one she felt good about.

So basically she goes from feeling good about Sally to suspecting her, and finding Kit creepy to saying she isn't going after her.


Sally: already made some comments earlier on her. Everyone goes by their feelings and gut sometimes, but all the time is a little much.

Nerwen: has slipped slightly under my radar, I know lots of people have found some odd stuff with her but I just see regular Nerwen everywhere, I don't really feel strongly about her either way. Kinda the same with Izzy, I read their posts and seem to tend to agree with a lot of what they say, and what I don't agree with doesn't really strike me as suspicious. Unless one of them does something whacko I probably will continue to leave them alone.


Ok, gotta go to work super like now. I *may* have the chance to pop on, on my break, but that is a very slim chance, so this will probably be all from me til right before DL.

[satansaloser2005]

Well please excuse Sally if she was trying to make posts even without her internet. Or did Nerwen miss that part while she was staring at my fleshy legs and deciding which one to nibble on first? Gah, seriously? I made a 'Hey I don't have access to posts to quote right now' disclaimer for a reason. I didn't.

Anyway responding to a few things then loading up posts, snuggling down, and showing you lot the evidence behind my feelings. (Sorry I couldn't do it last night but I was admittedly lazy and very tired, so I decided to go to bed.)


That's nice, Sally. Do you ever plan to make a genuine case against me, or indeed anyone? Or is it going to remain, "Just, you know, feels evil... *shrug*"

And why am I back at the top of your suspicion-list toDay? Why did you switch from me to Kit yesterDay, and now back again? Well?

Erm, you never really weren't. I had to leave early and I thought there was a better chance of lynching Kit (my number 2-ish at the time) based on what I'd been seeing. Of course you'd have known that if you'd read:

I'm thinking Kit; not only do I suspect her*, it appears others do too. Reassures me that I'm not completely crazy (or that others are too, but then again....) so I'm willing to take the risk as she's one of my top suspects.

Other than that, I'd go for Wilwa or quite possibly Nerwen. Actually, in the opposite order from what I've just listed, though either would be fine with me. I will not vote for any of our fine men folk, save Nog, who appears to be a bit different than usual. Then again, we are in a mad house, so perhaps I'll let him slide.

So where do I write you off exactly? Granted I do vote Kit in the end but I made that intention pretty clear, so perhaps you should pay closer attention to what I'm saying before accusing me of flipflopping when I clearly did not.

Oh, and apologies, by the way. My post last night should have said you had tried to discredit me, not you were trying to discredit me. I was referring to post....174 I believe, but used a rather misleading tense. My mistake.

I don't get your Rudolph reference. Rudolph had a red nose, how can one forget Rudolph? He has his own song.

Sally said that she thought you had a role, and if you did, she knew what you were. Which there are two known roles left in the game, so.. since she did not vote for you, that leaves one known role. Which if it were true would be a silly thing for her to say. So, I think it a bunch of bologna. I don't like bologna, it is the equivalent of a pancaked hotdog. You could insert the almost obligatory "why did you point it out"; well It was pretty obvious, and I doubt the wolves are thaaat daft.

I was trying to be cute. Nyah. ;)

Well I'm fairly certain she's not the ranger; I can peg a gifted Nerwen pretty well. So if she's not the ranger she has to be....everyone say it with me now....

And bologna is disgusting. Ham is much better. *noms*

Maybe Prancer would have been better?



Well, I've taken it as an accusation, since in the next line she uses it a reason not to vote Wilwa, while claiming to suspect her:

And again, you misquote me. (Well, you know what I mean.) I said I wanted you lynched before Wilwa because if you're a wolf I'll easily conjecture that she's your partner. That and I can bribe Wilwa not to kill me. ;) I didn't say that was a reason not to vote her, I said it was a reason to vote you first. Big difference.

And the tried became trying for real this time. Does no one else see the twisting?

Ahh but If you read the Narration you'd know who had died.... I mean there's only maybe what? 5 lines Hardly long winded don't you think

Well yes, dear, and that's how I figured it out. But when I read the list of the dead I was sure I'd read the narration wrong. Bah. Whatever you like; I'll make my own happy list so I can keep track of the order without having to look back each Day to check my memory. That'll work just as well. :)

[Kitanna]

*cough cough wheeze* I'm sick today so chances are I'll probably only be making this one long post where I look at those who are still alive. And then I'll vote closer to deadline, but don't expect too much else out of me today.

Onto business:
Nerwen:
Day 1: Post 1: Starts out the day with a "go wolves" statement, that eventually becomes a topic of debate. She also comments like Lottie did on Boro possibly hinting to the wolves.
Post 2: Banter to begin with, but shifts to something more serious in regards to Boro hinting. Well, then: wolves and cobblers don't often jump straight in and start hinting away in the very first post of the game. So it probably wasn't a hint. But then again it might be. Or maybe not. Who knows?
She won't pin herself to a theory one way or the other.
Post 3: Banter
Post 4: Banter for part, but switching to another serious remark, poising the question to the village: We've got three unusual factors: two wolves, no Seer, and a tiny village. Would the wolves be able to ignore each other?
Post 5: Between her usual banter Nerwen does make the point that wouldn't wolves want to distance themselves early on since the village is so small and a trail would be easier to follow.
What we should do is ask everyone what they'd do if they were wolves, and the ones who do the exact opposite are the actual wolves. An interesting notion, but...
Post 6: Says she's getting a cobbler vibe from Lottie and that Pitch is creeping her out. Judging by the quotes she highlighted it seems her issue with Pitch is that Pitch doesn't appreciate the in-game banter she has been employing thus far.
Post 7: Banter
Post 8: Calls Lottie opportunistic because she feels Lottie is basing her statements on joke posts.
Post 9: Continues a defense of herself against Lottie's reasons for voting for her.
Post 10: More of the same
Post 11: Backs off her defense with Lottie to mention Pitch, Durelin, Wilwa, and Boro. She's not sure how she feels about Durelin, doesn't think Pitch looks right, and questions Wilwa and Boro's voting for one another. Though it looks more like she's suspicious of Wilwa.
Post 12: Comments on Glirdan's idea that her and Lottie are doing some wolf on wolf arguing. States she's defending herself as she sees fit.
Post 13: Says she'll vote Lottie or Wilwa.
Post 14: Votes Lottie
Post 15: Has the gut feeling Lottie is only the cobbler
Day 2: Post 1: Apologizes to Lottie for being right about Boro and because the village lynched her. Also mentions my idea that Wilwa is a wolf who daringly killed Boro in the night, says it's possible and that Wilwa's reasons for voting weren't good. Talks about Glirdan's vote for Lottie as well.
Post 2: Questions why suspicions came up about me. Questions Glirdan as to why he's adamant she's the cobbler and not Lottie (the conversation quoted is from Day 1). Says his accusations are "with the flow" and says Sally's are from lazy playing.
Post 3: Says she was Sally's top suspect until Nogrod and Durelin mentioned me and then comments how Sally voted me.
Post 4: Votes Sally, but says she's not liking Glirdan either.
Day 3: Post 1: Asks Sally why she switched back to Nerwen as her top suspect. Asks when Sally will commit to a suspicion rather than saying this person "feels evil".
Post 2: Responds to Isa about Sally and her accusations.
Conclusion:: Nerwen looked better to me on Day 1 than she did Day 2. She has lots of banter, but also raising questions that if they achieve no other end at least stir up conversation. The one thing I wonder about is her suggestion to ask "if you were a wolf what would you do? How would you act?" This seems like an exercise in futility because who would answer that honestly? On Day 2 though it looked to me like she was going to vote Glirdan, yet she voted Sally. Her case against both seems to revolve mostly around them being somewhat opportunistic. And in fact all his suspicions have that "going with the flow" look to them. Reminds me a lot of the way he played last game.

As for Sally herself– in that same post, all her suspicions are variants of "Just seems evil. Yeah." Which is, at best, very lazy playing.
Today she's sticking with Sally rather than looking at anyone else. Though she still has time too, but if her vote were to be cast now I'd be surprised and concerned if she voted for anyone other than Sally.
Also, Nerwen says the wolves would be distancing themselves from each other. If Nerwen is a wolf she's being careful to distance herself from plenty of players so as not to leave a trail.
Sally:
Day 1: Post 1: Banter
Post 2: Banter
Post 3: Banter, says she's going to look at things with a more critical eye.
Post 4: Banter
Post 5: Banter
Post 6: This is her epic post where Sally seemed to forget how to use the quote button. Says Boro looks fine. Says Wilwa looks to like "ra-ra village". Agrees with Glirdan that there's too much overanalyzing of Boro's "hint", but says there's nothing else going on.Yes, but at the same time the wolves may often hide by posing as cobblers. So looking for cobblerish behavior can in fact help us. Of course no two wolves are the same so we have to employ a variety of wolf-hunting strategies. *nods* Probably the most helpful thing she had said so far. A lot of stuff in the post is vague statements like "it could be this way, unless of course it's not." She highlights this and that, but doesn't really give a solid opinion one way or the other.
Post 7: Apologizes for epic post of quotes.
Post 8: Nothing substantial
Post 9: Banter
Post 10: Banter
Post 11: Lists top suspects. Wilwa, Nerwen, and Durelin with details. Wilwa feels off, Nerwen has changed her playing style from what innocent Nerwen would do, and Durelin also seems off to her. Wilwa and Nerwen are her top suspects and Durelin falls into "not as guilty" pile. Lottie and Pitch are there also.
Post 12: Comments that there are six votes for six people
Post 13: Votes for Wilwa based on previous suspicions. Which were...? Wilwa seemed off to her.
Post 14: Banter
Day 2: Post 1: Says Pitch is thinking too much, Durelin is insane, Nogrod is probably innocent, Nerwen is acting like she has a role, Wilwa is still off, I'm both wolfish and maybe not wolfish at the same time, Izzy has nothing, and wants to give Glirdan more time to respond.
Speaking of which, there's far too much discussion about Wilwa. If she's a wolf, fine, but she's not the only one, so let's diversify some more Interesting...
Post 2: Says my post is wolfish, but maybe I'm not.
Post 3: Banter
Post 4: Says she'll vote me when, as Nerwen put it, before she was on the fence. Lists Wilwa and Nerwen as well.
Post 5: Votes for me
Day 3: Post 1: Banter
Post 2: Gives a list she made without use of the internet. Nerwen is guilty, Wilwa is likely guilty, needs to look harder at Durelin, doesn't say much about Izzy instead tells a story, Nogrod is most likely innocent, says I'm guilty if Nerwen isn't. Wilwa/Nerwen
Wilwa/Durelin (just a hunch and a gut, really, nothing to base it off of)
Kit/Izzy (would be good for a wolf like Kit to have a quiet partner)
Nog/Durelin (we would so be screwed, no joke)
Nog/Nerwen (ah, a crafty team indeed, and if Nog was a wolf it would make sense)
Nerwen/Izzy (again with the quiet partner, and I just sense a vibe thing between them)
Wilwa/Kit (very possible, though I’d need to investigate it more)
Durelin/Kit (an unlikely pairing, but lack of likelihood based on their behavior makes me think)
Sally/Fea (Clearly the evil ones. Let’s lynch them straightaway!)
Conclusion: I find it interesting Sally only acts on people who seem off, but doesn't provide any real evidence. I find it extremely bizarre she is pretty consistent in her stance against Wilwa, but doesn't like that at one point the village seemed focused on her. That waves a red flag in my face. Sally has been loud, but not exactly committed to her ideas. Rather she's vague which is a pretty easy way to hide.
Wilwa: Since I looked at Wilwa's Day 1 I will skip them and move into Day 2 and beyond.
Day 2: Post 1: Defends herself against Glirdan's accusation she did a 180 on Boro. Most of the post is a response to things Glirdan had said against her.
Post 2: Says/agrees wolves probably didn't kill Boro because they thought he was the cobbler.
Post 3: Says who looks good and admits she doesn't really have any suspects. Durelin and Nerwen confuse her and she says Glirdan looks the worst (she had pointed out some stuff in her first post of the day, so no surprise there.)
Post 4: Nothing
Post 5: votes Glirdan.
Day 3: Post 1: Comments that Sally is still going by feelings rather than evidence. She doesn't like how Sally says it for so many people (in the post she highlights where Sally has said it). Says she doesn't understand Durelin and Sally.
Post 2: Prepared to vote for Sally or possibly Durelin.
Post 3: Digs up some stuff on Durelin. Sally and Durelin seem to remain at the top of her list. Izzy and Nerwen give her no reading. Everyone else feels semi-good to her.
Conclusion: Since the Day 1 bantering is over and done with I feel better about Wilwa. I thought maybe she could be a wolf pair with Glirdan, but he's been proven innocent and her side of their Day 1 argument didn't look nearly as suspicious as his did. Right now, I'm not worried about her.
Isabel:
Day 1: Post 1: Banter
Post 2: Doesn't think Boro looks suspicious. Says joking and serious should balance each other out.
Post 3: Asks Lottie why Nerwen and Wilwa are her top suspects based on bantering.
Post 4: Asks why nerwen would proclaim herself as evil. Says this is a silly wolf move, but maybe not so silly for the cobbler.
Post 5: Continues to question Lottie.
Post 6: I'm not entirely sure of the context of this post and I don't feel like backtracking to figure it. (there I admit fully my laziness :P)
Post 7: Continued argument with Lottie.
Post 8: Votes Lottie.
Day 2: Post 1: Glad to see cobbler dead.
Post 2: "Recaps" argument Lottie and Nerwen had among other things.
Post 3: Nerwen held on to her vote to potentially finagle it. Says Nerwen gives her a bad gut feeling, doesn't like what Sally has said, says Wilwa is baiting Glirdan, says Pitch gave myself and Durelin free passes for our Lottie votes and that he was too confident Lottie was innocent, doesn't like Glirdan's bandwagon vote, doesn't see me as evil, and suspects Nogrod mostly for meta-game and thinks he's playing dirty in regards to her crossposting with Glirdan.
Post 4: Doesn't know what to feel about Durelin. Gut tells her mildly-evil
Post 5: Back and forth with Durelin.
Post 6: Votes Durelin on gut. (based on her reason could have voted anyone)
Day 3:Post 1: Doesn't like Sally's reasoning toward Nerwen.
Conclusion: Day 1 Izzy doesn't provide any real suspects. She questions Lottie a bit, but doesn't say if she really suspects her until her vote. Day 2 doesn't give much else either. She says anyone could be evil the way she's feeling, but to me she had more suspicions for Pitch or maybe even Nerwen, but not Durelin.

Ugh Nogrod and Durelin remain, but the thought of this continued analysis is killing me. So, I will return in an hour or so to finish those two and then list my top suspects.

[Nogrod]

Bad Bolognese is terrible - like any crappy food is. But you can make it heavenly as well.

Fry bacon in a pan, add onion, garlic and carrot and saute well (do not burn). Add the meat (good meat chopped finely or quality mince). When the meat is browned add some milk and let it evaporate. Then add some red wine and let it evaporate as well. Season to your taste (thyme, oregano, basil, chili...), salt and pepper of course. Then add canned tomatoes, some tomato puré and little water. Cover and simmer gently for 3 hours (or more) adding water occasionally to not let it dry.

Enjoy with spaghetti or as part of a lasagne. Ab fab!


Hmm... Pitch was an interesting choice. I could see people that would have been harder to get lynched than him, so was there something in there or were they just scared of the Batman? Or both at the same time as someone suggested?

[Isabellkya]

You have still left me confused Sally. The only remaining known roles are wolf and Ranger. You say she is not the Ranger, so that leaves wolf. Why have you not voted for her?

[Nogrod]

Interesting. On D1 Nerwen and Izzy made a joint cross-examination of Lottie and that led to her lynch. Now they are again together pressing on Sally... That looks so like team-effort - or the other trying to please the other sharing the points and creating a good feeling & an illusion of "mutual understanding".

Now Sally may be a baddie. And Izzy & Nerwen can be both innocents. But what bothers me is their clear lack of interest to take a wider picture or trying to look outside the box they have chosen to stay in both of them.

Concentrating one's effort on someone who is a good lynch candidate and being careful not to offend or suspect anyone else is just soo wolfy...

Izzy and Nerwen have done that twice now.

Like I said, I'm not as yet convinced they both are wolves, but the way they "hunt together" one target at the time sure raises eyebrows...

[Nogrod]

You have still left me confused Sally. The only remaining known roles are wolf and Ranger. You say she is not the Ranger, so that leaves wolf. Why have you not voted for her?This is actually a legit question. I thought Sally was hinting at Nerwen being wolf but why then change for Kit?

Like you said earlier Izzy: an ordo talking out aloud about her thoughts on who would be Batman would be soo bad...

[satansaloser2005]

So hypothetically if we never lynch a wolf then it would take them until about Day 4 to win.
Yay! Go wolves!
(Hey, I AM insane, you know...)

Actually, if there is any merit to that, he could be Two-Face trying to hint. That should definitely be taken with a hint of salt, though, and hinting is always doubtful.

Or he could be a wolf hinting to Two-Face.

Or this post (well, the last line anyway) could be a wolf hinting to what she hopes is a two-face hint. Never noticed that before, but as soon as I was looking back at posts I noticed it and went “Whoa....”. And we know Nerwen’s crafty so I’d not put such games past her.



But I actually did have a point with all this: cobbler hinting is not neccessarily straight forward, and I don't think we should automatically assume Boro's evil.

*shrugs* Oh you want a serious answer? Well, then: wolves and cobblers don't often jump straight in and start hinting away in the very first post of the game. So it probably wasn't a hint. But then again it might be. Or maybe not. Who knows?

Add this to my previous thoughts. As we all know, joking and facetiousness are good masks for actual hinting.

Also, for some reason the fact that she said ‘wolves and cobblers’ rather than ‘wolves’ strikes me; it’s as if she knows Boro isn’t a wolf, so she needs to put up both possibilities. Of course to be fair she could have just been being thorough, but still, my earlier observations stand.


Now I am eating a dear little apple named Jonathan.

"Please! Please don't eat me!" Jonathan begged. Alas! He was so crisp and tasty, I swallowed him in half-a-dozen delicious bites.
Poor, poor Jonathan.

Luckily, though, all Jonathan's friends are named Jonathan too, so they'll never know he's missing.

You know, I’m sure this is just a coincidence, but....nah, it’s meta. Doesn’t matter. Still, this is just creepy. (Not wolf creepy, creepy creepy. And hilarious, of course.)


Nerwen - I feel uncomfortable with her right now. The more people say she was probably just joking with her "Go wolves!" the more plausible it seems as a cobbler-tactics (or even wolf-tactics)... if you see what I mean. Your tendency to believe it a joke makes it a worthwhile deception.

My thoughts exactly. There’s a fine line between jokes and actual hinting, and since we’re in a madhouse I think it’s safe to say that Nerwen would be a little more cavalier even than usual with her hints, knowing that most people would brush them off as simply being funny.


I am getting very concerned about Jonathan now. He is just too sweet and crunchy (all of him). What does he have to hide?

Actually... *assumes serious expression* I'm not sure what we can expect from the current set-up. We've got three unusual factors: two wolves, no Seer, and a tiny village. Would the wolves be able to ignore each other?

That's if we're hunting wolves. We seem to be hunting cobblers toDay. Tally-ho!

Again with this Jonathan the apple business. Can I ask, Nerwen, does this mean something? (As in is it a reference to something? ‘Cause I don’t get it.) And then the ‘what does he have to hide?’ business at the end. What does Nerwen have to say, should be the question.

Yeah, we do. What with less than a dozen people to start with and two wolves in such closed quarters, it’s certainly a different dynamic than we’re used to. But can wolves really ignore each other in any situation? Leave little trace, sure, but in any game no matter what the size wolves will at some point interact. So really there’s not a whole lot to that statement. Sorry, love.

And again, this just feels off to me. “Oooo, let’s go cobbler hunting!” Sounds like something a wolf would say, and again it seems Nerwen’s hiding her role behind a joke.


Now that those pesky villagers have been lulled into a false sense of security, right?

Yeah, I actually disagree. I think since there are only 2 of them and they do have to survive together a while they would actually be more adament about their trust, they don't want to risk one of them dying so they should be more likely to defend each other.

Ye-es.... only it'll be harder then usual for the wolves to control the lynch this early, and if one dies and leaves a clear trail to the other– game over. (Poor widdle fings)

So I could see them turning on each other, if it came to that... I mean, it depends on who they are, and what happens.

What we should do is ask everyone what they'd do if they were wolves, and the ones who do the exact opposite are the actual wolves.

Like so:

Nerwen: Jonathan, what would you do if you were a wolf?

Jonathan (squeaky voice): Oooo.... let me see... if I were a wolf, Nerwen, I'd be long, squishy, green and tasteless. Definitely.

Nerwen: Whereas you are in fact round, crisp, red and delicious? *voice drips with irony* Oh, how very convenient!

Again with the jokes. Time and a place, Nerwen, time and a place. (Of course this is still the first Day but all of her jokes seem too pointed. Am I just being paranoid?)

This (the bolded bit) also is a nice bit of give and take with Nerwen and Wilwa....possibly between packmates? Then more joking from Nerwen and teasing about the wolves being poor things, etc. Then back to the wolves turning on each other. It seems like hinting to me.

Okay, please forgive the madness, but I’ve got an interesting idea. What if Morsul’s a nutter and decided that the wolves are blind? Well, not blind, but mad, and unable to talk to each other. Like they have to PM through Morsul or something equally odd. This idea came out of nowhere, but it would rather make sense given the theme of the game, and I could see Morsul doing it since there’s not a lot else that’s different about the game. Dunno, just found it interesting.

And of course Nerwen’s obsessed with her little apple friend. Nutter. :p

So lemme ask you, Nerwen, what would you do if you were a wolf?


I went back to see what Nerwen actually said in the beginning and am a bit less enthusiastic in voting her. What Pitch summed up in his resumé was in a way correct but Nerwen's actual comments are not actually that much driving the discussion towards Boro but more like just reacting to things said just before.

But to see Pitch being the main source of my heightened suspicion of Nerwen makes me actually raise my eyebrow. A coincidence?

So now that we know Pitch was innocent what does that do to your opinions, dear?

And yes, you’re right about Nerwen not driving the discussion. However, she was involved in it to an extent and that’s what a good wolf does; they participate without being too noticed.


Now that's really helpful, thank you. And that right after making a really good point about wolf strategy in this game. (Yes, Nog and wilwa, I've noted your objections, but I'm not quite convinced yet.)
But d'you know what, Nerwen, this mixture of perfect sense and madness is getting on my nerves...

I concur. Nerwen’s simply too smooth. And the fact that Pitch was killed last Night....I think a wolf Nerwen would make the risky kill in hopes that we innocents would think it was a set-up. I wouldn’t put it past her. (Of course it could have nothing to do with his suspicions of her, meh.)


Basically, Nogrod's first couple posts gave me a vibe of some vague sort. Loslote is annoyingly agree-able and like 'im going to be helpful!' But so is Sally.

Glirdan seemed like low-radar wolf somehow, and Kitanna seemed like 'I'm going to be the sense in this chaos and skate through silly Day 1 mwaha.'

But Pitchwife could be the same thing.

And Isabel is low-radar skater wolf.

So this may be irrelevant, but in this post she didn’t mention Nerwen. Coincidence? No idea. (In fact, she leaves out Boro, Nerwen, and Wilwa. I’ll go with this more when I analyze Durelin but I find it interesting that one of them was the cobbler and the other two are my two top-ish suspects.)


Nerwen is actually quite bothering me right now. She speaks sense, but then won't stop evil bantering - and we're all laughing right with her. I think she's pushing it, and she's one of my top suspects.

And again, I agree. Of course as mentioned before it was only Day One, but people are letting this joking slide when to me it looked more evil than most. I miss Little Lottie, btw. =(


No, I think it's suspicious that Nerwen's saying "Oh I'm soooo evil! Haha isn't it hilarious???" and Wilwa's playing along. I doubt if they're both wolves, but I'm pretty sure one is. I think it's Nerwen. Soo...

++Nerwen

And again, Lottie and I agree. (Oooo, and an interesting theory. I could be completely wrong about a Nerwen/Wilwa pairing, and Nerwen’s just trying to set Wilwa up. That’d be a trip.)


What purpose would it serve her, if she were nefarious to go around proclaiming it?
To see if it would be passed off as first Day banter and play?

If she is nefarious and is lynched because of her proclamations; then that would be quite the silly wolf. Or do you supposed she is the Cobbler?

Well yes, it would be silly, but you just proved that it works. Being silly will be seen as either being silly or as being silly to seem silly, which either way will likely be dismissed. You just proved my point. People will dismiss her because no wolf would possibly be that silly.


Yeah, and I might have just been having fun. I mean, your "case" against me seems to be based entirely on one early joke-post. Opportunistic, no? And I also don't like the fact that you really went in on me after I mentioned that I was having problems with internet access.

Actually, I’ve been drawing the same conclusions from multiple joke posts. It’s not the jokes that’s a problem, it’s the tone and placement of them. And again, she seems to be trying to make Lottie look bad and thus keep people from listening to her. Seems pretty nasty to me. (Of course with the internet thing, fine, as I completely feel your pain.)


Nope. That's a semi-joking accusation. I didn't like the way Wilwa kept repeating that we had plenty of time and nothing to worry about, and I was seeing how she'd react.

Seems pretty flimsy defense to me. Sorry dear, I’m not buying it. Try putting it on eBay.


Like I said, my gut feeling is that she's only the cobbler– but heck, she was a pretty lethal cobbler last time.

Let's hope for the best.

Yes, but last time she was a cursed cobbler. So....erm, nope, not seeing your logic. I think you knew she was innocent and were taking your best opportunity to get her out of the way before people started believing her. (Of course at this point Lottie was dead anyway so it hardly mattered but in appearance how Nerwen voted. Still, she got what she wanted, she did.)


Also, I point to Nog’s #152. He sums up quite a lot of things beautifully, but I’ll not quote it here as I’ve not a lot to add to it.


So at this present time I find myself in the situation that I often find myself in. Not having enough suspects. Nog looks good, Pitch looks good, Kit looks good. Izzy and Sally are in my "under the reindeer" category. Dury and Nerwen confuse me, I don't necessarily see them as being suspicious, but I certainly don't trust them either, it's more like I'm having a crazy hard time getting a read on them. Glirdan, well you all know how I feel about him.

And again, Wilwa here looks at Nerwen and then just dismisses her. “Can’t make up my mind. Oh well, moving on....”


Anyway...my gut is full of bad feelings for people. Except Sally all of a sudden for some reason. I'm kinda not caring about Glirdan or Wilwa (except for her last post, esp. her first lines which make no sense...I need to go back and look) right now. Isabel is bothersome in her barely existing, and Nerwen...I have no idea. Kitanna is creepy.

Nogrod and Pitch are bothering me. They've both taken opportunities to say how much they thought Loslote was innocent and reasonable. How nice and dandy of you two, but does it matter? Yes yes, you'll say I'm just bitter that I didn't get it right and voted for her...hah! If I was bitter every time I lynched a helpless innocent... Also, Nogrod for his thing on Nerwen's 'yay wolves' comment. Yay innocents = wolf, yay wolves = wolf...

And again, Durelin was very careful not to say anything on Nerwen. Other people are ‘creepy’ or ‘bothersome’ but Nerwen....meh, she doesn’t seem to care. Interesting....

The bolded bit is interesting indeed, and to me quite wolfish. But the bit that interests me is how she dislikes Nog’s ‘case’ on Nerwen. Erm, he didn’t just dislike that one comment....


First off, I'd like to say that I'm not sure why this suspicion of Kit (from Nogrod, Sally and Dury), as she hasn't struck me playing evilly, and in fact seems to me one of the most reasonable and useful players.
....
As for Sally herself– in that same post, all her suspicions are variants of "Just seems evil. Yeah." Which is, at best, very lazy playing.

Heh. So because she’s reasonable she’s innocent? Riiiight. I’m going to hazard a guess that Nerwen is (subconsciously, but still) just wanting to keep Kit around because she wants to keep her around. (As in Kit isn’t trying to lynch Nerwen so Nerwen’s not gonna lynch Kit, if that makes sense.) And notice that she then moves on to second some things that Kit’s said. Yeah.

Oh, and this is (as I mentioned before) a point of potential attack. She’s trying to discredit me just like she did with Lottie, and I won’t be standing for it. Nope, nope, not a bit. Neener.


Which would all be fine– except that I was apparently Sally's top suspect earlier, for some reason, while she was on the fence about Kit– until Nogrod and Dury started going after her and looked like they might vote her.

Erm, if you’ll notice, in my post #172 I said I’d looked at her and my suspicions had increased. I voted for her because in my opinion supporting a possible wolf lynch is better than throwing away a vote on you when I didn’t think it was likely you’d be the lynch of the Day. So again, putting words in my mouth. (Although I can understand the mistake, as I wasn’t able to properly voice my opinions when I voted. Still, who’s being opportunistic now?)


So, I'm running out of time here. Out of the people who already have votes, I'll go for

++Sally.

Not liking Glirdan either, but she's started looking even creepier lately.

Oh, so me making a case based on creeps is guilty, but you doing it is all right? I see. Thanks so much for clearing that up. I was very confused. Then again, you’re the one voting an innocent.


That's nice, Sally. Do you ever plan to make a genuine case against me, or indeed anyone? Or is it going to remain, "Just, you know, feels evil... *shrug*"

And why am I back at the top of your suspicion-list toDay? Why did you switch from me to Kit yesterDay, and now back again? Well?

Oh, and yours was air-tight. “She’s started looking even creepier lately.” Brilliant reasoning, m’dear. (Then again, Glirdan was also innocent, so voting him wouldn’t have been much better. That’s beside the point.) And you saw my post quite clearly, so again, I say you’re just trying to make me look bad. And of course I’ve explained my thing about you and Kit so I shan’t say it again. *nods sagely*


Nerwen: has slipped slightly under my radar, I know lots of people have found some odd stuff with her but I just see regular Nerwen everywhere, I don't really feel strongly about her either way. Kinda the same with Izzy, I read their posts and seem to tend to agree with a lot of what they say, and what I don't agree with doesn't really strike me as suspicious. Unless one of them does something whacko I probably will continue to leave them alone.

I dislike the level of meh in this bit. She can’t see Nerwen as evil and she admits it, which makes me consider the possibility that she’s just blinded, as I don’t think an evil Wilwa would have phrased it like that, but at the same time it makes me question things.



All in all Nerwen jests and expects it to be taken as that, even seems to be laughing at us as if to say ‘see, no matter what I do I can talk myself out of it’. She’s slippery and isn’t saying nearly enough of proper consequence; that and what she does say makes me nauseous. I smell fur.

Nerwen, you wanted me to analyze you? Now you got it. Thanks for helping me to solidify my suspicions against you.


EDIT that's not an edit: x'd since my last, as I just hit 'post reply' and haven't had the chance to read anything else yet. Oh, and may as well make it official....

++Nerwen

[Nogrod]

I looked at toDay's posting from an angle of who actually suspects anyone.

Sally seems to suspect Nerwen, Wilwa and Kit (and is confused about Dury).

Wilwa seems to be suspecting indirectly Dury and Sally.

Kit thinks Sally somewhat suspicious and seems to be undecided with Nerwen (Dury & me not done).

Nerwen and Izzy have only jumped on Sally.

Dury hasn't posted toDay.


On the one hand I might say this is also the trust-list of mine - unless that would not be so foolish to take it only by itself. But there is something I think everyone should consider.

Like this quote from the infamous Werewolf for Dummies -handbook.

Chapter II: Playing a wolf.

Part 3 - Social relations.

Rule 1.

Avoid enemies, avoid enemies, avoid enemies...

You can only be killed by the vilagers in a lynch-vote (except in the hands of a hunter, refer to the section 7 "Playing against different hunters") so it is of utmost importance you look agreeable enough to enough many players while not looking too agreeable. The best way to do that is not to step on too many toes at the same time. Pick those few (the one) you suspect carefully, don't suspect too many people at the same time as that makes you unpopular and adds to the chances of
you getting lynched.



Well, it's not as easy as that I'd say. But worth remembering. The wolves will wish to make you feel good, agree with you, play along, not suspect you.


EDIT: X'd with Sally and need to get home... back later.

[Kitanna]

Nogrod:
Day 1: Post 1: Mentions Nerwen's "go wolves" statement, Durelin's lunch statement, and Lottie's "let's not assume Boro is bad" statement.
Post 2: Pay attention to cobbler remarks now and not just later.
Post 4: Comments on Boro's post, but doesn't read it as a hint.
Post 5: Uncomfortable with Nerwen, confused with Glirdan, Sally is overagreeable, says Durelin is too attention seeking to be a wolf, but is bold enough at the same time, Boro is low-key, Wilwa is probably innocent, nothing on Izzy, I'm possibly a wolf for being calm and collected, feels okay about Pitch and Lottie unless they're in cahoots.
Post 7: Suggests who to look at based on personality. If you look for the reasonable and careful, look for Kit, Boro and Pitch.

If you look for the bold, look for Nerwen or Dury
Says he's baffled by Sally.
Post 9: Says he could vote for me as the wise and careful or could vote for Nerwen because her "go wolves" remark could be an intelligent move for a wolf. Wants to hear more from Pitch and Lottie.
Post 10: Comments on something Pitch said in regards to his "roundabout" response to Nogrod's Lottie-Pitch pairing.
Post 11: Says he was going to vote Nerwen or myself, but thanks to Pitch is reconsidering.
Post 12: Comments that Pitch and Lottie jumped as his mild suspicions of them being a pair. Suggests Pitch could be trying to strike up a friendship with an ordo.
Post 14: Talks about Boro
Post 16: Votes Pitch
Day 2:Post 1: Says the last voters of Lottie could blend in better, hiding their evil sides if they in fact have one. The only competition for Lottie was Wilwa so this could fit those who voted to bring Lottie even and past her. Also if Wilwa is a wolf, the wolves might have felt uneasy with Boro's vote and thus be more inclined to kill him at Night. However, at this point he doesn't think of Wilwa as that suspicious.
Post 2: Discusses just what had his eyebrows raised on Day 1 in regards to Nerwen. But also why he suspected Pitch.
Post 3: Discusses the votes for Lottie, starting with Durelin who had tied Lottie with Wilwa. States Durelin has never mentioned Wilwa or Nerwen. Points out Glirdan breaks this tie. If I haven't misread says Izzy went after Lottie with determination and Nerwen's vote sealed the deal.
Post 4: Doesn't like that Nerwen voted Lottie though she suspected her only of being the cobbler.
Post 5: Says I give him the creeps.
Post 6: Kitalysis
Post 7: Durelin and Sally could be innocent. Lists why the rest are suspicious.
Post 8: It's between myself and Izzy for him.
Post 9: Votes Izzy after making his case in previous posts.
Day 3:Post 2: Comments that Nerwen and Izzy pressed on Lottie, both voting for her and appear to be doing the same now. Now Sally may be a baddie. And Izzy & Nerwen can be both innocents. But what bothers me is their clear lack of interest to take a wider picture or trying to look outside the box they have chosen to stay in both of them.

Concentrating one's effort on someone who is a good lynch candidate and being careful not to offend or suspect anyone else is just soo wolfy...

Izzy and Nerwen have done that twice now.
Conclusion: Um, almost none. He's been committed and has given plenty to ponder, but I don't see anything wolfish in him or anything truly innocent. I am completely on the fence in regards to Nogrod.

Durelin:
Day 1: Post 2: Pairs her wolves as Nogrod-Lottie, Glirda-Me. Cobblers = everyone else and lynch Sally regardless.
Post 4: Explains grouping. Basically, Nogrod's first couple posts gave me a vibe of some vague sort. Loslote is annoyingly agree-able and like 'im going to be helpful!' But so is Sally.

Glirdan seemed like low-radar wolf somehow, and Kitanna seemed like 'I'm going to be the sense in this chaos and skate through silly Day 1 mwaha.'

But Pitchwife could be the same thing.

And Isabel is low-radar skater wolf.
Post 7: Votes Lottie, but has at least mild suspicions for Sally and Wilwa.
Day 2: Post 3: Says she's not caring for Glirdan or Wilwa, now is that not caring as in no opinion or not caring for them in a "they're evil" way? Says Izzy is bothersome in her quietness and I'm creepy. Seems to suspect Pitch and Nogrod the most.
Post 4: Comments on some of Nogrod's points. One being that I got a free pass for not being a later voter for Lottie and also Izzy's question about vote retraction was interesting.
Post 5: Responds to Sally going after me based on Durelin's "Kit is creepy to me" remark. Says Nogrod and Sally both took this remark as Durelin thought I was sinister.
Post 6: Explains why she thought Pitch was giving free passes. Doesn't know how to vote and doesn't know how she feels about Glirdan (who at this point had a few votes I believe).
Post 7: Sally or Nogrod? Votes Sally
Conclusion: As far as her Day 1 accusations in that first set of groupings go I like how she accuses several people of trying to fly under the radar when she has been doing that. She's been a slippery one so far, keeping low, commenting enough to get by and sticking pretty well to those she suspects. Yet if people (Sally and Nogrod) in particular quote from her she distances herself from them. That's pretty unsettling to me

My top suspects are as follows:
Sally: She's been very vague in her suspicions and abandons suspects for those who seem to be gaining a potential lynch following. Day 1 she votes Wilwa, she had a few "gut feelings" about her. Wilwa had one vote at this point and she was talked about enough that more could have followed. She also asks people to stop looking so much at Wilwa because there are two wolves in the village, but she votes Wilwa...
On Day 2 she votes for me, moving herself off the fence only after Durelin and Nogrod calls me creepy. At the time of her vote there was a 50-50 chance Nogrod would also vote for me.
Izzy: She's a vague one too. As Nogrod put it she doesn't try to get on anyone's bad side really. This sort of vague playing and going on gut feelings after Day 1 (as Sally has done) is a good way for a wolf to hide. However, if Sally is a wolf I'd say Izzy isn't (and vice versa) because it seems unlikely that both wolves would be so non-committal.
Durelin: She's been just active and reasonable enough to garner attention, but not to actually gain much momentum as a lynch choice. As I said above, yesterday she distanced herself from Nogrod and Sally when they began quoting her. I find that an interesting move.

I'll be back a few hours before deadline to vote.

x-posted with Sally and Nogrod

[satansaloser2005]

Interesting. On D1 Nerwen and Izzy made a joint cross-examination of Lottie and that led to her lynch. Now they are again together pressing on Sally... That looks so like team-effort - or the other trying to please the other sharing the points and creating a good feeling & an illusion of "mutual understanding".

Now Sally may be a baddie. And Izzy & Nerwen can be both innocents. But what bothers me is their clear lack of interest to take a wider picture or trying to look outside the box they have chosen to stay in both of them.

Concentrating one's effort on someone who is a good lynch candidate and being careful not to offend or suspect anyone else is just soo wolfy...

Izzy and Nerwen have done that twice now.

Like I said, I'm not as yet convinced they both are wolves, but the way they "hunt together" one target at the time sure raises eyebrows...



I'd rather noticed that too. Of course it could be unintentional on one of their parts but you never know. It seems too easy, but I'd love for it to be so.


Also, go Kit on the epic post. Now get some rest. *gives tea and cookies*


As I mentioned before (although I just posted it so whoops on my part heh) I found them both a threat, but decided that taking a marginal risk to lynch Kit was better for the village than me wasting a vote on Nerwen when I wasn't sure anyone else would vote her. I voted for the lesser of two evils (if you will) with hopes of catching any evil at all. Does that make more sense?


EDIT: x'd since my last

[Isabellkya]

A quick note.

Nerwen and I are not hunting together Nog.
I have no more idea to her alignment as I do anyone else's.

Your insistence that I have only focused on a single person each day is wrong. Which leads me to believe that you are picking and choosing specific details regarding people, to set-up your vote to make it look better. Who would need to set-up their vote? Wolves only.

[satansaloser2005]

Sorry to be a pain, but I've a headache coming on and I'll be needed more later tonight than I will be right now. I'm going to pop off for a bit, but I'll be back. :)

[Durelin]

commenting enough to get by and sticking pretty well to those she suspects

Oh my, really? And according to Wilwa I'm in trouble for changing my mind about Sally.

You're reading me the wrong way, Kit. You read perhaps the most into my posts of anyone's (and mine are the shortest and the fewest! maybe that's why?) You're grasping but you're not grasping as much as some. Like Wilwa and...

Sally acting like a wolf under some pressure?

Nogrod still bugs me. He seems more agreeable than usual (in a trying to be nice and pleasant sort of sense), but I haven't really agreed with him much. And he just discussed how the wolves would try to be as pleasant as possible and stick to suspecting the fewest people possible. Hm.

I am getting similar feelings from Isabel and Nerwen (similar between them, not similar to Nog), but don't particularly suspect them right now, actually. And that's bugging me, too.

[satansaloser2005]

Sally acting like a wolf under some pressure?


I'm under some pressure where? And I'm acting like a wolf where?


Thought not. Thanks for sharing though. Here, have a cookie.


You do have a point about Nog, strangely enough. I'm rather frightened by how much we're agreeing. *hides in her hidey hole*

[Nogrod]

Your insistence that I have only focused on a single person each day is wrong.Nope. I haven't said that.

I said you and Nerwen made a co-cross examination on Lottie on D1 and it looked like you were doing the same toDay. In any case after your interrogation was over Lottie was more or less done with - and same looks true toDay for Sally.

Also you can't quite honestly say you have been suspecting people left and right. "Timid" would be the word to suit the spread of your suspicions. You have been careful not to suspect too many people at the same time (which is different thing to say that you have only suspected one person per Day - which I didn't say).

Add to that, that I said I'm not thinking it is somewhat plain simple you two guys are the wolves. I would actually be surprised if you were even though I don't think it impossible. But I could bet quite a lot one of you is a wolf.

Sally's spicy defence and attack does make me wonder though...


Heh, Dury: are you claiming that I have not suspected people? Well you said you haven't read the thread so maybe you should then not comment on that kind of issues? Read the thread first and come back then with your opinion whether I have played it safe or not, or trying to please everyone or not.

With all love, that is. But really. You just couldn't make that kind of claim if you had read the thread. Sorry. :p

[satansaloser2005]

Sally's spicy defence and attack does make me wonder though...

I'm spicy am I? Oooo, lovely. :Merisu:


(No really, though, what do you mean? 'Cause you're too young for me, mate. I'm saving myself for a nice older gentleman, not some overgrown Finnish kid. ;)Aaaand now I'm gonna run away before someone shoots me.)



I need dinner. Oh, and Wilwa? I'm making muffins tonight. Just thought that might entertain you. :D

[Nogrod]

Somethging that caught my eye from Sally's post on Nerwen...
Yeah, and I might have just been having fun. I mean, your "case" against me seems to be based entirely on one early joke-post. Opportunistic, no? And I also don't like the fact that you really went in on me after I mentioned that I was having problems with internet access.
Actually, I’ve been drawing the same conclusions from multiple joke posts. It’s not the jokes that’s a problem, it’s the tone and placement of them. And again, she seems to be trying to make Lottie look bad and thus keep people from listening to her. Seems pretty nasty to me. (Of course with the internet thing, fine, as I completely feel your pain.)

Nope. That's a semi-joking accusation. I didn't like the way Wilwa kept repeating that we had plenty of time and nothing to worry about, and I was seeing how she'd react.
Seems pretty flimsy defense to me. Sorry dear, I’m not buying it. Try putting it on eBay.
The underlined parts are the ones that bother me here big time.

First: "Yeah, and I might have just been having fun". Well yeah. But if you were just having fun and you are innocent would you have phrased it like that? Maybe we go here into language issues and I'm no native speaker but to my eyes that looks more like avoiding things or trying to take a cloak of an innocent than plain being one.

Secondly: "I was seeing how she'd react". Okay. It's an old and sometimes working idea to test someone you suspect by making an attack or open suspicion and waiting to see how the one you suspect reacts to that. But you said the reason for that "trial" was the fact that you didn't like how wilwa repeated her optimism. Now how come I get the feeling this is an explanation invented afterwards?

Also I'm a bit confused with that case for "you went on me after I said I had internet problems". Some of us have internet problems, some of us live in different timezones (you Nerwen should know that!), some of us have more time while some of us have busier days, some of us have time to use for this in the afternoon, others in the evening and some at night etc. So I don't think you can say there's immunity from suspicion for anyone who fits one or another restriction? If there was such a restriction you could fex. never lynch me in these American-run games as I always have to sign off hours before the DL. :rolleyes:

And there really is a difference between evilly timed suspicions made at the crucial moment or giving the final blow to someone who has just about cleared her/himself from the edge at the last minute (I know that from experience... *coughRoacoug*) and making points when one has time for it. (I'm not claiminng anything on behalf of Sally here, I'm just stating my feeling of you over-reacting to Sally's suspicions).



Sally: I mean that you dropped off that joking mask and started really working to both show your innocence and even more to show Nerwen's guilt. And that was a huge effort, everyone can see that. So that made me wonder whether you have reason to invest more in this game you usually do... and being a Batman I think is no option with you in this case. You make just too much noise to work in the best interests of the asylum as the one who would need to stay alive both Days and Nights. So a wolf then? Or just one who suddenly decided to give her best effort?

[satansaloser2005]

Oooo, good thoughts, Noggins....


Sally: I mean that you dropped off that joking mask and started really working to both show your innocence and even more to show Nerwen's guilt. And that was a huge effort, everyone can see that. So that made me wonder whether you have reason to invest more in this game you usually do... and being a Batman I think is no option with you in this case. You make just too much noise to work in the best interests of the asylum as the one who would need to stay alive both Days and Nights. So a wolf then? Or just one who suddenly decided to give her best effort?

Well to be honest I was just going to go through and have a think. But I was quite comfy in bed and figured I may as well prove to Nerwen that I suspected her for a reason, discredit her attempts to discredit me. And as you know I can be very loud and participatory even as an ordo, and have on a few occasions. I plan to make a whole lot more noise in this game, actually, because I've got the time and I'm in a state where I can just sit and chatter, then load up epic posts if I care to. I won't be every Day, of course, but toDay I'm feeling under the weather so I thought I'd be of help to the village while I can. Pitch did the same thing, after all. And you know me, I like to make noise.

(And not that I'm saying I am, but why can't I be Batman? Did I miss someone reveal? 'Cause I think until then we should keep quiet about all things flying rodent related. I'm far too old to have nightmares about vampires. Except, of course, if I ever lame out and watch Twilight, then they'll never cease. I get your point but one who always acts the same as a role is one who doesn't keep their role very long. I'm different every game, at least to some extent, so I could be anything. (Well, anything good, that is, 'cause I'm certainly not a crap sack of fur.) Just sayin'.)

Definitely the latter then. No ulterior motives here, or at least none the innocents need to worry about. The wolves, on the other hand, should fear and respect. I may send them cookies, after all, and I really don't cook very well. *shifty eyes* After all, Nerwen did win my game, and I do owe her a batch, so, ya know....



Yeah, I know. I've gone mad. But it's okay. We're all mad here. :rolleyes:

[satansaloser2005]

K, kiddos, I'm out for a while. Going to be on Durie-alysis while I'm away so hopefully I'll be back with hot muffins and a really good grip on Durelin's role.


And here we go. *poofs*

[Nogrod]

My bedtime is closing in... so a few thoughts before a vote.

As Wilwa said on D1, we have/had four Days to get it right. Now we have failed twice. If we fail toDay the wolves need only to succeed toMorrow to win the game. And on that situation (toMorrow that is) they only need one innocent vote to another innocent to win openly with plain numbers.

So we should really get it right toDay.

I don't basically trust anyone of you right now. Maybe Dury a bit for her blatant admission she doesn't read the thread.

I thought yesterDay Sally was more innocent than not, being her over playful self doing all that nonsense, but her effort toDay - and kind of forced-looking playfulness - has made me suspect her.

I still think Nerwen is high on my suspicion list for things I've said already - and some of Sally's points were actually legitimate.

Also I think Izzy is too careful. Mainly suspecting just the "easy targets" and defending herself. Not constructive play for a villager.

Wilwa's posting has been careful as well. And she has been flying under my radar thus far. A thing I sadly can't help at this point on the Day but will try to correct if I'm alive toMorrow. If she is a wolf I will curse myself for I have suspected her in most of the games after her comeback and she has mainly been just a well-meaning ordo who has tried to open the conversation. BUt maybe she's a bit more careful this time? I can't say.

Kit is the enigma this time. I do appreaciate her analysis and her effort - and her reasonableness. And that's just the thing that bothers me still. In a way I think if she is a wolf she really has earned her possible victory. That would be an outstanding performance.

My nightmare scenario: the wolves are Wilwa and Kit... If it is that we will probably lose. :(


But toDay, it will be Sally, Nerwen or Izzy as my vote.
*Goes to have a cigarette and to see if anyone gives an input meanwhile*


EDIT: X'd with Sally X 2

[satansaloser2005]

Well, Nog, you know how I feel. I'd much prefer Nerwen, as of your top three I know I'm innocent and I'm not entirely sold on Izzy being guilty. Also, I think killing Nerwen will tell us a lot more than we could learn from anyone else.


Besides. You don't want to kill me. I'm the other guard, and without me you're all in deep trouble. AND TAKE THAT CIGARETTE OUTSIDE! :p

[Nogrod]

The cigarette didn't solve the problem and it did solve it...

I really can't say who's the most suspicious but a lynch - or the process of how the lynch developes - might serve other ends as well. And with some luck we can get it right anyway, it's 2/5 anyway.

++ Nerwen

This way there will be something to read toMorrow, no matter who gets finally lynched.


EDIT: X'd with Sally again.

[Nogrod]

AND TAKE THAT CIGARETTE OUTSIDE! :pThe guard... wait, you... didn't let me out... I'd be happy to be outside this asylum indeed! :D

(I do smoke on the balcony RL - who would like to have the stench in their home? Even if it was just normal in the seventies... :eek:)

[Nerwen]

Okay... I'll answer Nogrod and Sally together, then.
Also, for some reason the fact that she said ‘wolves and cobblers’ rather than ‘wolves’ strikes me; it’s as if she knows Boro isn’t a wolf, so she needs to put up both possibilities.

Um... why would I have "needed" to, in that case? And Lottie thought (correctly) that he was a cobbler, so it seemed relevant.

And... much of the rest of Sally's post is: "Ooo, she defended herself against Lottie! She joked about Jonathan apples on Day One! Eeevilll!"

And finally, her defence of her voting yesterDay... I don't buy it.

Erm, if you’ll notice, in my post #172 I said I’d looked at her and my suspicions had increased. I voted for her because in my opinion supporting a possible wolf lynch is better than throwing away a vote on you when I didn’t think it was likely you’d be the lynch of the Day.

You said: I'm thinking Kit; not only do I suspect her*, it appears others do too. Reassures me that I'm not completely crazy (or that others are too, but then again....) so I'm willing to take the risk as she's one of my top suspects.

And yet, before that you had simply been ambiguous about her.

Oh, so me making a case based on creeps is guilty, but you doing it is all right? I see. Thanks so much for clearing that up. I was very confused. Then again, you’re the one voting an innocent.

I had already given my reasons for voting you at that point. And thanks for letting us all know you're innocent.

First: "Yeah, and I might have just been having fun". Well yeah. But if you were just having fun and you are innocent would you have phrased it like that?

I was replying to an accusation of Lottie's (I think– this is from memory) where she said I "might" have been doing such-and-such.

Secondly: "I was seeing how she'd react". Okay. It's an old and sometimes working idea to test someone you suspect by making an attack or open suspicion and waiting to see how the one you suspect reacts to that. But you said the reason for that "trial" was the fact that you didn't like how wilwa repeated her optimism.

Yes, exactly. What's your point? I suspected her somewhat, so I was testing her– already said so. :confused:

Also I'm a bit confused with that case for "you went on me after I said I had internet problems". Some of us have internet problems, some of us live in different timezones (you Nerwen should know that!), some of us have more time while some of us have busier days, some of us have time to use for this in the afternoon, others in the evening and some at night etc.

I'm pretty sure I only mentioned that once, and only because I was in fact struck by the timing of her rather sudden attack on me.

I'm just stating my feeling of you over-reacting to Sally's suspicions).

Look– why am I over-reacting? I asked her if she was ever going to make a proper case. She's spent most of the game making vague accusations, based on "feelings", and her vote yesterDay certainly required an explanation.

Edit:X'd since Nogrod at #219.

[Nerwen]

I wonder if it is Nogrod and Sally? Would they play that openly? But then no-one else is seeming that suspicious to me at the moment.

[satansaloser2005]

I wonder if it is Nogrod and Sally? Would they play that openly? But then no-one else is seeming that suspicious to me at the moment.

Oh, I so wish....but alas, no. Innocent as the spring rain outside of Los Angeles.

[Nogrod]

Look– why am I over-reacting? I asked her if she was ever going to make a proper case. She's spent most of the game making vague accusations, based on "feelings", and her vote yesterDay certainly required an explanation.You might be right about the overall picture, but what I meant there was your "fury" at Sally making points of you when you had internet problems. That particular annoyance to me was over-reacting.

Not to say that I have used to you being more wide-minded person. Now it seems you're happy with just bashing Sally.

Of whom I need to say the following: her way of trying to talk me over there just a few moments ago (like the last three-four posts) looks suspicious to me indeed.

But with you two votes ahead maybe we'll finally see some action that would help us toMorrow.


EDIT: X'd with Nerwen & Sally

[Nogrod]

AND NO-ONE BETTER PLAY IGNORAMUS TODAY! :eek:

[satansaloser2005]

The cigarette didn't solve the problem and it did solve it...

I really can't say who's the most suspicious but a lynch - or the process of how the lynch developes - might serve other ends as well. And with some luck we can get it right anyway, it's 2/5 anyway.

++ Nerwen

This way there will be something to read toMorrow, no matter who gets finally lynched.


EDIT: X'd with Sally again.

Good decision, I must say. Hopefully we're right (we better be!) and hopefully the others see our (or my, or your, or any at all) reason about her. And if we are wrong (which I'm thinking we're not, but nothing is sure until it's proven) we'll learn quite a bit about others in our little asylum. Oh, and cigarettes are evil.



The guard... wait, you... didn't let me out... I'd be happy to be outside this asylum indeed! :D

(I do smoke on the balcony RL - who would like to have the stench in their home? Even if it was just normal in the seventies... :eek:)

*headdesks* Dear, it's fenced in. You still can't get out. Sorry to spoil your....erm, trip. Now come inside and I'll give you a nice homemade brownie.

(On another topic I find that very good of you. I mean, it's your home and all, but that's a very good choice indeed, especially if you have guests who don't like the smell of smoke. And, alas, not being around in the 70's, I don't know, but I'll believe it anyway.)


EDIT: x'd with some Nog

[satansaloser2005]

AND NO-ONE BETTER PLAY IGNORAMUS TODAY! :eek:

No reason why, but I got the funniest mental picture just now....


Off to work on my post about Durelin. I trust no one will suspect me for being productive? ;) Back later. :D

[Nerwen]

What else, then? I find it likely Sally's a wolf, now... no, not just because she voted me. And again, the way she and Nog support each other, yet keep claiming to find each other a bit suspicious...

Other possibilities:

Sally + Dury? Sally did get the lynch-Kit idea from her. However, it's true she only really questioned why Kit was apparently getting a free pass, and the other two took it from there.

Sally + Wilwa? That would be very bold playing, but then she does keep saying Wilwa is "suspicious... but not enough to vote..."

Sally + Kit would be bolder yet, to the point of being highly unlikely. I suppose anything's possible, though.

Sally + Izzy? Meh... I'll have to go back and look.

EDIT:X'd since my last post.

EDIT:words left out.

[satansaloser2005]

What else, then? I find it likely Sally's a wolf, now... no, not just because she voted me. And again, the way she and Nog support each other, yet keep claiming to find each other a bit suspicious...

Other possibilities:

Sally + Dury? Sally did get the lynch-Kit idea from her. However, it's true only really questioned why Kit was apparently getting a free, and the other two took it from there.

Sally + Wilwa? That would be very bold playing, but then she does keep saying Wilwa is "suspicious... but not enough to vote..."

Sally + Kit would be bolder yet, to the point of being highly unlikely. I suppose anything's possible, though.

Sally + Izzy? Meh... I'll have to go back and look.

EDIT:X'd since my last post.


Wow. Erm, that's just....so very wrong. First of all, that no one can be a wolf without me. (I feel so important!) Second of all that I've voted Wilwa before and have said on at least one occasion said I'd happily vote for her again. I suspected Kit on my own, certainly before Durelin brought her up, and Izzy and Kit....well, I've not said anything exceptionally conclusive (about Izzy anyway) so if she is a wolf I will admittedly look bad, but not because I'm her partner, but because I'm crazy. You're grasping at straws, I'm afraid, and bad straws at that.

[Nerwen]

You might be right about the overall picture, but what I meant there was your "fury" at Sally making points of you when you had internet problems. That particular annoyance to me was over-reacting.

Nogrod, that was something I said to Lottie on Day One– and I dropped it when she said she hadn't noticed. Besides, I don't recall my tone at the time as being one of "fury" either.

Not to say that I have used to you being more wide-minded person. Now it seems you're happy with just bashing Sally.

My "bashing"– as you call it– of Sally toDay was just asking her to make a proper case and explain herself. That's "bashing"? Really.

[satansaloser2005]

My "bashing"– as you call it– of Sally toDay was just asking her to make a proper case and explain herself. That's "bashing"? Really.

Considering that I've already done so and you won't leave me alone, yeah, a bit. (Of course I wouldn't have used that exact word, but you are picking on me a bit.)


*sniffs* Oooo, I smell a nervous wolfie. *grins* Now where's her partner? ;)

[Nerwen]

Wow. Erm, that's just....so very wrong. First of all, that no one can be a wolf without me.

I said I think it's likely you're a wolf, and I'm looking at possible partners for you based on that theory. Interesting you read it that way.

(I feel so important!) Second of all that I've voted Wilwa before and have said on at least one occasion said I'd happily vote for her again. I suspected Kit on my own, certainly before Durelin brought her up, and Izzy and Kit....well, I've not said anything exceptionally conclusive (about Izzy anyway) so if she is a wolf I will admittedly look bad, but not because I'm her partner, but because I'm crazy. You're grasping at straws, I'm afraid, and bad straws at that.

Nope, just trying to look at possibilities.

–I notice that you don't mention Nogrod in any of this.

EDIT:X'd with Sally.

[Isabellkya]

I took Johnathan the Apple to be either a reference to the type of apple such as Granny Smith or Golden Delicious; or a reference to Johnny Appleseed.

Apples have worms to hide.

I find it disconcerting that Sally perhaps one of the people in these games that jokes the most, is getting on Nerwen's case about joking.

Perhaps I am blinded by the humor, but I just find all of it funny. If there is an ulterior motive to Nerwen's joking, then bravo?

The last time that I can recall someone asking another person what would they do if they were wolf. I believe it was wolfNog asking Nerwen. Or did Nerwen turn out to be the wolf. I forget which game it was, but it occurred.

Sally's case against Nerwen to me looks like a vendetta, where she has written Nerwen off as wolf, and is thusly fitting the facets of what Nerwen has said into that mold. That is backwards Wolf hunting. You should be judging the actions first not fitting them to a preconceived mold.

The entire situation I do not like. Nerwen has seemingly sat back while others seem to argue for her, perhaps mostly me. Then add to the mix where Nogrod says we are hunting together. Are you not doing pretty much the same with other people?

I would not call my interactions with Sally before this post jumping on her, Nog. She used a Rudolph reference which made no sense what so ever. She claimed that she knew Nerwen's role if she had one, which as I said before - there are only two known roles left in the game. Seeing as Sally did not vote for Nerwen yesterDay, that can only be left to assume that Sally thought Nerwen could be the Ranger. Which is an absurd thing to do. Unless the entire thing was a stunt on Sally's part, be her wolf or no - still inexcusable from the light side of the village. Yet toDay she says she does not think that. And has decided to ignore the entire deal toDay.

I believe it is quite the opposite Nog if you had read my rundown of all the players yesterDay, I suspected mostly everyone.

Keep quiet about all things batman related Sally? You already were not quiet about it..


X'd with Sally x2 and Nerwen x2.

[satansaloser2005]

I notice that you don't mention Nogrod in any of this.

Well to be honest it's 'cause I'm honestly trying to pull myself away from the computer and Nog wasn't in that post, so I didn't say anything about him.


Gah, I need to be productive on so many levels. Hopefully I'll really leave now.


EDIT: x'd with Izzy. And Johnny Appleseed was my first idea, but it's an American thing, and it's spelled differently, so I assumed I was wrong.

[Isabellkya]

I am beginning to think I am in the Twilight Zone...

This apple talk makes me want an apple.

[satansaloser2005]

I am beginning to think I am in the Twilight Zone...

This apple talk makes me want an apple.

Oooo, apple muffins....so tempting. *drools*

[Durelin]

are you claiming that I have not suspected people?

No, I don't believe I am. What I am getting from you is your usual philosophying self, but more removed and involved in theory than any nitty-gritty wolf-attacking.

Kitanna seems very by-the-book and opportunistic (with her Loslote and Glirdan votes).

Sally is acting jumpy.

Nerwen...maybe she is a wolf, but I'm not feeling it. She seems too bold to me. She and Sally as the wolves would be interesting, though.

Wilwa and Izzy are just...well, Izzy makes more sense to me. Wilwa seems to pick and choose her suspicions carefully, and I see her arguments as struggling to find something.

Basically...my vote will be a surprise. :p

[Nerwen]

Sally's case against Nerwen to me looks like a vendetta, where she has written Nerwen off as wolf, and is thusly fitting the facets of what Nerwen has said into that mold. That is backwards Wolf hunting. You should be judging the actions first not fitting them to a preconceived mold.

What does give me pause is that Sally's done exactly this– that is, totally fixated on the idea that I must be a wolf, regardless, and then interpreted everything to fit that– quite a few times as an innocent. And she had the same nervous-jokey tone, too.

But then Nogrod's rushing to defend Sally, this talk of "jumping" on her and "bashing" her... it doesn't seem the way an innocent Nogrod would read what's been happening. It also seems to me that an innocent Nogrod would want to vote a bit more carefully at this stage of the game–

This way there will be something to read toMorrow, no matter who gets finally lynched.

and

But with you two votes ahead maybe we'll finally see some action that would help us toMorrow.

–is what you say on Day One, not Day Three. He seems to be saying, "yeah, well, I don't really mind if you're innocent, it's all good", And by that time he'd admitted he was voting me for little or no reason.

If they're not in it together, and one of them's an ordo duped by a wolf, it could be Nogwolf and ordo-Sally. I say this this because they seem to be acting too much like partners for it to be true– though I suppose that could be the idea.

I would not call my interactions with Sally before this post jumping on her, Nog. She used a Rudolph reference which made no sense what so ever.

I that's a very oblique way of saying you're under the radar (Rudolph = reindeer = radar). Though I think there's been a fair bit of talk about you. It's one of those easy things to say.

EDIT:X'd with Dury.

[Kitanna]

++ Izzy

As I said before I think she could be playing the very careful wolf. She hasn't really gone after anyone, but has sort of floated this fine line. She questions players, but doesn't show much of an opinion. post #183 is the first that really lists her suspicions, but she doesn't follow through on some that she lists as possible suspects and decides to vote Durelin who seemed like her middle ground candidate.

And then there's this statement: My gut is saying pretty much everyone toDay Once again showing Izzy doesn't want to commit to someone.

Like I said in my last post I feel either her or Sally could be a quiet wolf, but if one is guilty the other probably isn't. But there's only one way to find out the truth.

[Isabellkya]

I really do not think that Day three in such a small village as this, is the proper time to lynch someone because it could give information.
Unless I am mistaken, this insane village is in the Wolf hunting business; not the information gathering business.

If you lynch Nerwen for information, what information do you expect to get out of it?

Wilwa, Kitanna, Durelin - other members of this village.

Durelin. She is just sitting back and trying not to get into this limelight we have going here. Does that make her wolfy? Depends on her motives. Unless a moth to the dramatics, people tend to avoid controversy and drama.

Kitanna. Her analyses give very little of her own opinions, they are mostly organizing a summation of her targets posts.

Wilwa. I still do not like her Glirdan interactions.

If we take the Glirdan voters of yesterDay. Pitch, Wilwa, and Kitanna. Is there at least one wolf amongst these voters? Which would be Wilwa or Kitanna, or was there no wolf at all, and they just stayed off and voted thusly to not get another challenger, knowing Glirdan would go? Which would point to Durelin, Izzy, and Nerwen.

I know I am not a wolf, so it would leave Durelin and Nerwen.

X'd with Kitanna.

[Isabellkya]

Why Izzy over Sally?
Did not want to vote for your wolfmate? xD

[Durelin]

Another simple, opportunistic vote from Kitanna (I mean really, that quote says nothing...and Sally as a 'quiet' wolf?), but not a vote for Nerwen. Why? Because a particular other is going after Nerwen...

I have very strong suspicions for Kitanna and Nog, and to a slightly lesser extent Sally. My problem right now is that I am normally wrong.

[wilwarin538]

Oh, and Wilwa? I'm making muffins tonight. Just thought that might entertain you. :D

It does. ^_^

Wilwa seems to pick and choose her suspicions carefully, and I see her arguments as struggling to find something.


Honestly, I am struggling to find something. But I would much rather struggle to find some tiny bit of suspicion that might not be totally solid, then trust everyone like my gut is telling me too. I'm having a tough time this game, everyone looks good, or atleast doesn't look terrible, so yes. I am stretching, I'll admit it.


OK. What are the votes so far?

Sally -> Nerwen
Nog -> Nerwen (2)
Kit -> Izzy

Left to vote: Wilwa, Dury, Izzy, Nerwen

I'd feel most comfortable voting Sally. But I think I'll wait a bit longer.

[wilwarin538]

gah.

I'm exhausted and probably about to fall over so I'm gonna do this now. Since the two who have votes are currently still in my "neutral" group, I don't feel comfortable voting for either of them, so I'll toss another name in the mix.

++Sally

Good night everyone.

*instantly falls asleep on her computer*

[satansaloser2005]

Sorry I took so long, but I got loads of distracted. Without further ado....




Durelin’s first post is that ‘evil’ lynch/lunch pun. That to me seems just silly, no evil intent. Now of course she could be evil, but the post itself seemed to be just in good fun.


Wolves - Round 1

Nogrod
Loslote

Wolves - Round 2

Glirdan
Kitanna

Cobbler - Wilwa, Isabel, Nerwen, Pitchwife, Boro

Should be lynched anyway - Sally

There is absolutely no reasoning behind this. None. (I know, she says something about it later. The point I was making was that she didn’t say anything at all when she put it up, and had given no prior suspicious, defenses, or thoughts of any serious kind. Or any kind, for that matter.)


In post #48 Pitch asks Durelin for her reasonings. Erm, and Pitch is dead. (Heh, I just wanted to be mean and put that out there. The odds of his death being related to this particular post are nil.) Also, Lottie seconds Pitch’s question in her #52.


Durelin - A tough one: first she was to "lunch" anyone of us and now a list with no reason whatsoever on anyone. A bit too attention-seeking to be a wolf but then again she's bold and been around long enough.

How is she attention-seeking exactly? More like she’s trying to stay under the radar (at least as far as actual suspicion). But she is bold, as you say, and I do think it’s possible she’s playing very wildly (although up to this point that is defined by near-silence) in order to seem less obvious.


Might vote for:
- Dury for combination of submarining and unexplained suspicions

And again, Pitch and I agree. Durelin’s drawing attention to herself by thus far not drawing attention. Of course a wolf wouldn’t really be that unobviously obvious, would they? Perhaps.


I'm not going to explaining myself this time. No one ever listens anyway.

Too many people... (I know, there's really not as many as usual...)

I'll try to come up with something.

*snuggles you* Poor defeated Durelin. Then again, she’s just making another post of nothing. (Of course to be fair I often make reactionary posts with not a lot of substance, so I’m certainly not going to lynch her just based on this.)


So the reasons for my groupings: the voices in my head? It's like gut feeling. It tells me things. Indigestion does make the voices more talkative.

Basically, Nogrod's first couple posts gave me a vibe of some vague sort. Loslote is annoyingly agree-able and like 'im going to be helpful!' But so is Sally.

Glirdan seemed like low-radar wolf somehow, and Kitanna seemed like 'I'm going to be the sense in this chaos and skate through silly Day 1 mwaha.'

But Pitchwife could be the same thing.

And Isabel is low-radar skater wolf.

Hehe.

Another insanity plea. Hehe. Anyway, to business. As mentioned before, she leaves out Nerwen, Wilwa, and Boro. Funny, ain’t it, that one of them was the cobbler and the other two are (especially for Nerwen) very suspicious looking. I find it interesting. Also, mind that I’ve had things said about me not giving ‘actual’ reasons for my suspicions. Well, look what’s going on here. Nothing. Although I do enjoy a good evil cackle, I must say.


OK, a shot in the dark:
++Durelin
Sorry, but we might actually listen if you gave us something to listen to...

And....he ended up dead. I meah, yeah, it wasn’t the same Night, and it may have had nothing to do with that, but I still find it interesting. (Thus it’s either wolf!Durie trying to protect her interests or someone trying to set her up. Of course mind you that I drew the same conclusions when I was analyzing Nerwen so it’s possible I’m paranoid, but given that and a couple other things I may be leaning toward them being packmates. Maybe. Not sure yet. Gah, I’m conflicted.)


Lottie said in #96 that she wouldn’t vote Durelin because of her little non-retaliation code, but after she realized she’d made a mistake she didn’t say anything about her in correction.


Durelin– nothing really, except that she hasn't contributed much... and Lottie did that odd thing of saying she suspected her, but wouldn't vote her because of her "code".

And Nerwen didn’t say anything about her here, except that she’s so quiet. Fair enough.


Okay, these two posts make me uneasy, but more of "Look at me, I'm the Cobbler" sort of way. No explanation of any sorts from the first post and the second just seems like a "I'm going to just be a menace and make no sense but try to seem helpful" kinda thing...Or maybe that's the delirium again.

Hmmmm....interesting. In general Glirdan tends to get a bad feeling from her. (I’m just pointing this out because we know he’s innocent, so he clearly didn’t have ulterior motives.)


I'm sorry, but don't expect a lot of contribution. I'll be around, but I'm always so busy...busy, busy... Time is a terrible thing to waste. Or is that the mind?

I'm pretty lost and rather wanting to vote people who have no votes. But that is not a good idea at this time. So...of the people who have votes.

++Loslote

Seems the worst to me, though it could very well be her style. I normally suspect Sally because of hers, though I now suspect her more because of her way of going about voting Wilwa. But I don't feel great about Wilwa either.

Ohhh bleh.

I just don’t get this post at all, actually. It’s an amalgamation of....stuff, and I don’t see sense in it. Other than that it created the tie between Lottie and Wilwa, of course, and may or may not have prevented Durelin from getting lynched that Day. I’m not happy with it.


Her next couple posts are correcting and defending against Kit’s mistaken accusation. The tone of them seems fair enough, but almost too calculatedly ‘meh, don’t worry about it’.


Dury ties Lottie with Wilwa 27 minutes before the DL.

She is absolutely non-readable. She's had Lottie on her list (of four to seven) from the very beginning but the only reason given is that she is "annoyingly agree-able and like 'im going to be helpful".

The final voting argument is: "Seems the worst to me, though it could very well be her style".

The only people she never mentions are Nerwen and... Wilwa!

Once again, Noggins’ noggin is noticing the same thing I did. (Weird, that, no joke.) Durelin is very careful to not leave a huge trace to anyone, and her lack of commentary on Nerwen and Wilwa is disconcerting. As I noted, she doesn’t have any reason for voting Lottie (which I’ll kind of excuse since it was Day One) but the rest of her doesn’t make sense either.


Hey there -- even though Kit isn't looking shiny to me, don't take up anymore about her messing up my posts. They were hardly clear, anyway, much less full of substance. Besides, I never read every post in a thread, and most of the ones I do 'read' I really skim. (Now you all know why you love me so much!)

Anyway...my gut is full of bad feelings for people. Except Sally all of a sudden for some reason. I'm kinda not caring about Glirdan or Wilwa (except for her last post, esp. her first lines which make no sense...I need to go back and look) right now. Isabel is bothersome in her barely existing, and Nerwen...I have no idea. Kitanna is creepy.

Nogrod and Pitch are bothering me. They've both taken opportunities to say how much they thought Loslote was innocent and reasonable. How nice and dandy of you two, but does it matter? Yes yes, you'll say I'm just bitter that I didn't get it right and voted for her...hah! If I was bitter every time I lynched a helpless innocent... Also, Nogrod for his thing on Nerwen's 'yay wolves' comment. Yay innocents = wolf, yay wolves = wolf...

Nogrod - I don't think I mentioned Boro either (technically I mentioned everyone in my list post, tyvm), but seeing as he was Two-Face I guess that won't get me very far. :P

The bothersome part here I’ve sort of already mentioned, but I’ll expound upon it now. The following people really have nothing to their name in Durelin’s mind: Glirdan, Wilwa, and Nerwen. Like, she doesn’t even have an opinion on them one way or another. I’m good (I think?) to her and Nog and Pitch are troublesome. Says that Nog is overreacting to Nerwen’s silliness and that she never really reads the thread closely.


Hmm, so...Kitanna gets a free pass? I know you said that you though the later voters more likely to be wolves, but does #2 really count as later?

Interesting point about Isabel's question about retraction.

So now she suspects Kit? I mean, not really, and she did say she was creepy before, but that looks to me like she’s trying to push people to suspect Kit (so they don’t suspect her?) more. She does have a point though, as I totally thought I was the only one taking a look at Kit’s posts.


Nog agrees with Durelin on Izzy in his post #175. Like he actually quotes her. Interesting.


In #178 Pitch says this of her:

Dury: pity she's so detached from the game, makes it hard to read her

I concur. Like I’ve said above, it’s hard to get any clear opinion on her because she seems to be all smoke and mirrors. She’s skirting the edge and it’s worrying.


Apparently it was picked up by both Nog and Sally, but I must say they took 'creepy' and somehow turned it into 'ah yes I agree with your case against her.' Sorta.

The mind is such an annoying thing...

Yeah, and if you’re evil I’m going to feel like crap for (sort of) listening to you. I suspected Kit already but I’ll admit you did push me over the edge a bit. And now she’s turning it around.


Izzy’s #183 mentions all the living except Durelin. Again, a point of interest. (Actually I’m a bit confused. In her Nerwen section she mentions Glirdan and Durelin but I’m not entirely sure who she’s talking about. Still, Durelin’s the only one who doesn’t get her own commentary.)


Erm, just kidding. Lol in the next post Izzy says she doesn’t know anything for sure, but that Durelin’s ‘middle-nefarious’. Sounds pretty lackluster to me. Dunno if it’s a wolf connection but it’s a point of interest. *shrugs*


That's chaotic evil to you, Ms.!

I don't like how Nogrod decided I was apparently innocent all of a sudden and started actually...quoting me and re-iterating things I've said about people. Well, he did it twice. That's...more than once.

I have no idea about Glirdan. And I have no idea who to vote for.

Isabel - the way I saw Pitch's giving of free passes was that really he meant it as a 'i of course knew Loslote was innocent, but these other peoples well...maybe they're problem is that they don't know her like I do...'

So it still bothers me.

I forget what else I was going to say bc I have someone talking in my ear...

Fair point on Nog, but at the same time he was already considering Kit on his own. See here.

I was actually reading Kit as she gives the creeps to me as well... but if you're online Dury we could discuss about your irresponsibility of not reading the thread.

So he’s not agreeing with you here, at least not in an “I agree with Durelin” fashion. He happens to have the same opinion, yes, but he’s not parroting you. Also, he follows this post with an analysis of Kit, which he might have even started (and probably did) before you made that post. (I’m not defending Nog here so much as saying that Durelin’s logic is illogical.)

And other than that this post is, again, full of nothing useful or actually informative.


Let's change things up.

Sally or Nogrod? Both are bothering me, both seem opportunistic. I don't like the tactics (for lack of a better word) they are using for their choosing who to suspect and who to deem probably innocent. They seem calculated. Funny I'm lumping those two together...

As I said, I have someone talking in my ear...

++Sally (satansaloser2005)

So in her last post she attacked (for lack of a better word) Nog and said she had no idea for whom to vote, but now I’m tied for suspicion along with Nog. Gasp! She’s only really mentioned me once, and even then it wasn’t with any sort of definitiveness. Yes she votes me over Nog, whom she’s suspected as a wolf allegedly since Day One? Nonsensical? I think so!

(On another note, please notice that Nerwen voted for me after Durelin did. Just as a side note.)


So first she suspects Nog and Pitch, and says she does not have bad feelings for Sally. She also says Kit is creepy and not shiny. The thing with Kit is that later (in that second quote, bolded part) she then says basically (atleast the way it seems to me) "oh, I called her creepy but I don't suspect her", and she doesn't seem to understand why someone would come to that conclusion in the first place, since she called it "interesting" (to me, creepy=suspicious, doubt I'm the only one to think that). Which seems odd to me. Then later she votes for Sally, when in that first quote it looks like Sally was the only one she felt good about.

So basically she goes from feeling good about Sally to suspecting her, and finding Kit creepy to saying she isn't going after her.

See, Wilwa’s noticed it too. So I’m no crazier than she is....erm, never mind. But this sums up Durelin’s pattern; she goes after or says she likes someone, then changes her mind on a whim it seems to go along with whatever she thinks will make her look....popular? Shiny? Innocent? Either way, she’s calculated and clever and still seems to be trying to avoid notice, even in who she suspects. I’m very worried by this pattern.


But there is something I think everyone should consider.

Like this quote from the infamous Werewolf for Dummies -handbook.

Chapter II: Playing a wolf.

Part 3 - Social relations.

Rule 1.

Avoid enemies, avoid enemies, avoid enemies...

You can only be killed by the vilagers in a lynch-vote (except in the hands of a hunter, refer to the section 7 "Playing against different hunters") so it is of utmost importance you look agreeable enough to enough many players while not looking too agreeable. The best way to do that is not to step on too many toes at the same time. Pick those few (the one) you suspect carefully, don't suspect too many people at the same time as that makes you unpopular and adds to the chances of
you getting lynched.

Well, it's not as easy as that I'd say. But worth remembering. The wolves will wish to make you feel good, agree with you, play along, not suspect you.

K, so I know he’s not talking specifically about Durelin here but it’s a good note, and one I think Durelin’s been very careful to follow so far. Almost too careful.


As far as her Day 1 accusations in that first set of groupings go I like how she accuses several people of trying to fly under the radar when she has been doing that. She's been a slippery one so far, keeping low, commenting enough to get by and sticking pretty well to those she suspects. Yet if people (Sally and Nogrod) in particular quote from her she distances herself from them. That's pretty unsettling to me.

I concur. And I don’t know why someone agreeing with you is so disconcerting. Both Nog and I had thought of voting Kit before Durelin brought it up, so I don’t see her problem. And good point on the reindeer thing too, as she’s hardly practicing what she posts.


Oh my, really? And according to Wilwa I'm in trouble for changing my mind about Sally.

You're reading me the wrong way, Kit. You read perhaps the most into my posts of anyone's (and mine are the shortest and the fewest! maybe that's why?) You're grasping but you're not grasping as much as some. Like Wilwa and...

Sally acting like a wolf under some pressure?

Nogrod still bugs me. He seems more agreeable than usual (in a trying to be nice and pleasant sort of sense), but I haven't really agreed with him much. And he just discussed how the wolves would try to be as pleasant as possible and stick to suspecting the fewest people possible. Hm.

I am getting similar feelings from Isabel and Nerwen (similar between them, not similar to Nog), but don't particularly suspect them right now, actually. And that's bugging me, too.

K, first of all, she corrects what Kit has said of her, saying that she’s being overanalyzed. (Heh.) Then I’m confused, as I’m not sure if she meant to trail off or if I’m meant to be the end of ‘like Wilwa and....’. Care to explain, Durelin? Just so I understand your meaning clearly?

Other than that Nog seems too agreeable to her and she gets chummy (?) feeling from Izzy and Nerwen. (Funny, ‘cause Nog said that too. Aaaand of course I can’t find it now. If he said it first I’ll accuse her of parroting and hypocrisy, and if she said it first I’ll kick Nog in the knees. Fair enough?) Nothing besides that though. Yet again.


Nog has a bit of a go at her in #217 for not reading the thread before making accusations. Meh.


No, I don't believe I am. What I am getting from you is your usual philosophying self, but more removed and involved in theory than any nitty-gritty wolf-attacking.

Kitanna seems very by-the-book and opportunistic (with her Loslote and Glirdan votes).

Sally is acting jumpy.

Nerwen...maybe she is a wolf, but I'm not feeling it. She seems too bold to me. She and Sally as the wolves would be interesting, though.

Wilwa and Izzy are just...well, Izzy makes more sense to me. Wilwa seems to pick and choose her suspicions carefully, and I see her arguments as struggling to find something.

Basically...my vote will be a surprise.

You know, after this stuff, I’m rather wishing I hadn’t voted Nerwen so I could vote for Durelin. (Yet, I’m mostly kidding.) She seems too disconnected and nonchalant to be a wolf, yet so much that I can’t help thinking it’s a mask of carelessness to cover up her furry face.


Durelin. She is just sitting back and trying not to get into this limelight we have going here. Does that make her wolfy? Depends on her motives. Unless a moth to the dramatics, people tend to avoid controversy and drama.

Very true on the last bit, but she’s avoiding any kind of anything most of the time. (And again, a shrugging off of Durelin suspicion by Izzy. I may be noticing a slacking pattern here.)


In her last post Durelin calls Kit opportunistic and says Nog and I are her next suspects, Nog more so than me. So then why did she vote for me? It’s truly puzzling!


Anyway, needless to say, I suspect Durelin a way lot. If Nerwen doesn’t turn out to be a wolf, Durelin has to be. Either that or she doesn’t deserve to survive out of pure slack.



EDIT: x'd with a very sleepy Wilwa. *snuggles her*