Admin Thread for WW LXXVIII: Yar Har Har and a Bottle o' Rum

[Paranoia]

Yes, this is going to be pirate themed.


Yes, I am encouraging piratey talk. I also encourage humor. Strongly.


I'm also noting a tweak in roles. Note that things are slightly different this time around; there will be only one investigative power on the field, one protective power, and one power with the potential for extra wolf deaths. What's in play at the start of the game can only be guessed at.

~Good~
(Investigative)
The Insomniac (tracker) - May select one matey each night to track each night, and will be told upon the night's end who the tracked visited.

The Psychic Pirate (i.e. seer) - May Select one person each night. Upon that night's end, they will be told whether or not the pirate in question is actually a fishman in disguise or not.

(Protective)
Doctor Stitches (Ranger) - May select one fellow pirate each night; if that pirate is targeted for the fishmen's kill, it will not go through. May not select the same person the following night.

Sword Fighter (body guard) - May protect one person each night. if they are selected for the night kill, they will be fought off with the following results. 50% of just a normal save occuring, 25% chance of a fishman dying, and a 25% that the bodyguard will die in place of the protected.

(Offensive)
The Red Queen (this name'll never change Izzy. You know this.) - The Red queen gets a single shot (or multiple depending on how many sign up for the game) day kill power. She may select one person during the day and that person will be instantly killed, regardless of votes. I will then reveal the alignment of the player after a short intermission. The red queen's powers are activated via proclaiming in thread "OFF WITH <NAME'S> HEAD!"

The Hunter - The hunter won't differ from a normal hunter, with the stipulation that the hunter starts off with multiple hunts should they die, and the number will decrease as the game goes along. The number will never be enough to ensure that the town will automatically lose upon their death.



And on the side of evil we have...

The Cultist (cobbler) - You worship the Fishmen as some sort of angel figure to your rather dark and rather nasty god, of which they could potentially be. As such, you are incredibly, fanatically loyal to them. Loyal enough to die for them. You will PM me each night with the name of someone you believe to be a Fishman. If that person would be lynched, you'll be lynched in their place.

The Fishmen (wolves) - Your goal is to commander this ship in the name of your unquestionably vile master. You also think you're pulling off the perfect disguise of humanity by smelling really fishy and looking some sort of haggard. Wait 'till you get to shore. One amongst the Fishmen will have a gifted ability blocking power; if I deem this too powerful it will be removed.

That should be everything...

EDIT: OH WAIT! Rules! Yarrrr the rules. The rules are the same ye' landlubbers are used to. Phases will be 24 hours. Roles will be handed out intermittently throughout night one, starting with the fishmen and ending with the Cultist. Edit: The game will start upon 12 signups; there is one last stipulation. I'm thinking the maximum number of players for this round is 12, unless there are objections. I also think smacking the mod until he remembers not to say something twice is a fair rule and is encouraged.

People who fail to vote twice in a row will be promptly keelhauled.

Me Hearties:
Zul
Nerwen
Blind Guardian
Rikae?
Macalaure?
Gilrdan
Wilwarin
Boromir
The Elf-warrior
Eönwë
Morsul the Dark
autume98
Shasta

[Inziladun]

Yarr, me hearty, g' ahead and gi' me a berth. I be doin' one more turn at this, then I be preparin' for me own game. ;)

[Nerwen]

Arr, Para ye can be givin' me a berth on yon ship too.

This be the third time I ha' shipped as a buccaneer.

The first time I were Queen o' the Sea, along o' me peerless treasure Shasty Althreduin, who were King o' the Corsairs o' Umbar. (We be keepin' up a runnin' gag along o' that to this very day.) 'Twas a fine victory over yon shriekin' lubbers o' Ringwraiths, that it were.

The next time I were navigator on yon ghost-ship o' Cap'n Black Death Brin's. That were a rum voyage, to be sure. *shakes head*

[Inziladun]

The next time I were navigator on yon ghost-ship o' Cap'n Black Death Brin's. That were a rum voyage, to be sure. *shakes head*

Yarr, I remember that 'un. I were the helmsman, and got caught by them scurvy Mutineers, who tied me t' the wheel.

[Nerwen]

Yarr, I remember that 'un. I were the helmsman, and got caught by them scurvy Mutineers, who tied me t' the wheel.

Aye, they was swabs, they was. That Teflon Wolf were the scurviest dog o' the whole crew . Keelhaulin' were too good fer the likes o' he!:mad:

[Blind Guardian]

Yar! Sign me up!

[Nerwen]

*slips back into normal English*

Para, shouldn't the Crow's Nest Lookout be an "investigative" rather than "protective" role?

[Loslote]

*whimpers and twitches* Want...to...play...

But I cannot. :( It looks like a good game, too...:(

[Paranoia]

*slips back into normal English*

Para, shouldn't the Crow's Nest Lookout be an "investigative" rather than "protective" role?

Hmm... yes you'd be right. Alright, that'll change.

[Rikae]

I'll have to double check with him, but could you sign me and Macalaure up with question marks?

[satansaloser2005]

I'll have to double check with him, but could you sign me and Macalaure up with question marks?

Oh, that's just not fair....

[Glirdan]

Oooo, I need to get back into a game before modding....Sign me up me hearty!

[Loslote]

I'll have to double check with him, but could you sign me and Macalaure up with question marks?

:eek: You've got to be kidding me! Is a Rikae...and is a Mac...gaaaaaaaaaaaaah...

Okay, okay, I'm hushing...

[Inziladun]

:eek: You've got to be kidding me! Is a Rikae...and is a Mac...gaaaaaaaaaaaaah...

Okay, okay, I'm hushing...

It's calling you, Lottie.

Come on, just one won't hurt....just a little game..... :p

[Loslote]

It's calling you, Lottie.

Come on, just one won't hurt....just a little game..... :p

It won't hurt me; I wouldn't be posting. :rolleyes: Unless the game doesn't start until the 10th (unlikely in the extreme) I shan't have Interwebs.

[Isabellkya]

Do you have a prospective DL ?

[Eönwë]

Depending on the DL, I may finally be able to play again.

[Paranoia]

Any where between 6 P.M. CST or Midnight CST. Maybe 1 A.M. CST; all really depends. I don't mind being flexible with it; just state the hours you'd like and I'll see if they'll work for me.

[wilwarin538]

I would like to sign up please! :D

[Blind Guardian]

OOOOOHHHHHHHH
Who lives in a glass bottle under the sea?
Piece o paper pants!
Who's coares and white and fragle as he!
Piece o paper pants!
Who fell off the deck and into the sea!
Piece o paper pants!
And there now he lives in the sea!!
Piece o paper pants!
Piece o paper pants!
Piece o paper pannnttttsss!!
Do don do do do don tiddy do!


~Jaci (Blind Guardian)

[Boromir88]

I'm comin' aboard this vessel! :smokin:

[The Elf-warrior]

Sign me up fer this here game of pirate werewolf. I be thinkin' I likes a deadline of 1am CST.

[Rikae]

Armpit pickle and vanilwuffin! Hooray!

:D

[Paranoia]

Armpit pickle and vanilwuffin! Hooray!

:D


.... ............


Woopsies XD. Thanks to Rikae to I guess somehow pointing out something I missed. x_x

[Rikae]

That would be "Boro and Wilwa, hooray", Noia.

[wilwarin538]

Armpit pickle and vanilwuffin! Hooray!

:D

Haha, yay!!!

I love pirate themes by the way, though I'm not that great at pirate talk, I'm still very excited!!!

[Paranoia]

Hmm... 9 people. I could start with this... but part of me would rather wait for 3 more. So I'll let you all decide. How many people think this is enough players for the game?

I may remove some roles just so things don't get ridiculous.

[Blind Guardian]

Hm, is there enough people? I'm mean 12 people avalible? If we could get 12 people I'd rather wait.

[Inziladun]

If you're going to have three Fishmen, I think a minimum of twelve players is in order.
Maybe give it another day or two, to see if there are any last minute signups?

[Glirdan]

I agree with Inzil, however, we should also bear in mind that school is now over for a lot of us which means vacationing with families will be occuring (ie. The Finns all here in North America on a month long visit), so we may only have the 9. It's your call Noia

[Eönwë]

Yarr! I think I be a-playin' now.

[Morsul the Dark]

I'm in

[Blind Guardian]

That makes 11. The way we're going we could be starting today :P

[Paranoia]

One more person. :D Glad I didn't start this sooner.

[Inziladun]

We need just one more person, hm? Anyone in a position to do a little "friendly" persuasion? ;)

[Paranoia]

Hmm... I haven't seen Shasta on AIM since Spies 8 started, and I think Izzy is having a few scheduling conflicts... so I'm left without an out.

Anyone else got any ideas? :(

[Blind Guardian]

I can create another account! So if I get lynched one Day one its not a big deal!

[Paranoia]

I can create another account! So if I get lynched one Day one its not a big deal!

No clones. :P They always end with blood, tears, and the gnashing of teeth.

[Pitchwife]

I'd love to help out, and the roles'n'rules sound interesting, but - I had a serious discussion with my wife today about spending too much time at the computer, and I'd really like to get more things done in RL. So it wouldn't be a good idea - sorry. But good luck everybody, or as we say in German 'Mast- und Schotbruch'!

[satansaloser2005]

I'd love to help out, and the roles'n'rules sound interesting, but - I had a serious discussion with my wife today about spending too much time at the computer, and I'd really like to get more things done in RL. So it wouldn't be a good idea - sorry. But good luck everybody, or as we say in German 'Mast- und Schotbruch'!

Well we must keep Pitchwifewife's interests in mind too! Not everything is Werewolf, right? Right?

....Right? :rolleyes:

[Blind Guardian]

Wrong!!

Can our lovely mod at least put our names in a hat (with one extra) so we can see what our rolls are :P

And I'm Queen of Stealing Pages :P 8)

[satansaloser2005]

I can create another account! So if I get lynched one Day one its not a big deal!

Erm....you are kidding, right?


Wrong!!

Can our lovely mod at least put our names in a hat (with one extra) so we can see what our rolls are :P

And I'm Queen of Stealing Pages :P 8)

That won't work because if person 12 is a wolf they won't have the ability to talk to their fellows as long. It wouldn't be fair.

Dear, you really can wait until someone else joins. I know it seems hard, but the wait won't kill you. Besides, I have faith in Paranoia that as soon as he gets another person he'll send out all the roles.

Also, can you PLEASE kill someone by stuffing them full of poisoned rolls? You'll seriously make my day (or Day, as the case may be).

[satansaloser2005]

What is it with pirate-themed games when Sally's away at camp? :(

[Blind Guardian]

Yeah I was joking :D

no I meant just so we know what our rules are so we can ask questions if we are confused. If the 12th person is say wolf number three they are wolf number three. Either way we wait.

[Rikae]

Just get your wife to play, then, Pitch!

++Wifewife

[Inziladun]

I've been trying to get my wife to join up here for years: nothing doing. :rolleyes:

[autume98]

Sign me up! Sounds like a lot of fun. :cool:

[Blind Guardian]

YES! lets start!

[Eönwë]

YES! lets start!
I think ye be meanin':

Ahoy! Let us set sail!

[Paranoia]

Heh. Roles will then be going out soon; wolves expect your PMs first along with the first bit o' story. i.e. SIGNUPS ARE CLOOOOOOOOSED.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Boo, I got back just a smidge too late.

[Paranoia]

Actually... I haven't sent roles out yet, so I might be lying. I'll squeeze you in. <_<

[Paranoia]

Further FYI; roles WILL NOT GO OUT until 1:00 AM CST.

[Paranoia]

Roles are going out; reply back to me as soon as you've gotten yours.

[Paranoia]

All roles are out. If you did not get one, you are an ordo.

Also, the first bit of narration will be up later today. Night Zero ends at 1:00 A.M. CST.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Woo, thanks Noia.

[Glirdan]

Just to forewarn everyone that I may not be around much till closer to the end of the Day. It's Canada Day (YAY!! :D) and I've got plans pretty much all day so don't expect too much from me.

[Pitchwife]

Oy, Rikae an' Nerwen, ye wenches, lay off a-slanderin' me missus! Jus' me bein' on shore leave dinna mean I canna hear what the wind's a-whisperin'! Ye're jus' jealous is what ye be!

Just get your wife to play, then, Pitch!
++Wifewife
I'm working on it. She likes her new nickname btw, maybe that's a start.:D

[Boromir88]

So this one time I have been occupied with a ton of work, and not having time to get on-line to check the 'Downs in about a week. Which led me to forgetting I even signed up for a WW game a while ago, and led me to forgetting that it was possibly starting soon. My bad and apologies Paranoia.

I can still play (certainly more than I managed on Day 1 :rolleyes: ), but work schedule will wipe out half of my day (and I've got a busy holiday weekend).

[satansaloser2005]

++Wifewife (for Downership!)


If she ever actually joins with that username I may fly there and hug her. ;)

[Morsul the Dark]

I'm going to be in Boston Tomorrow so I probably won't be able to post until Late into the day.

[Paranoia]

woops. Kinda fell asleep on my end for a bit. <_< Busy day and dead tired at phase change... so the narrations'll probably be up in an hour or two of each other. x_x

Note to Boromir: Accepted. XD And don't worry too much; we all forget things sometimes. Just don't make it a habit. :D

[Nerwen]

I'll probably be able to post no more than once or twice toMorrow as I'm currently visiting my family for the weekend, and I have to go into town to use the internet. Just letting you know.

[Blind Guardian]

I think Monday is a night phrase but: our ac is about to crap out on us and our fridge isn't working right. At the moment we have a appointment for them to keep it 24 hours. We might have to stay in a hotel or they might let us stay in the RV with electric to their building. We have Internet on the computer but not on iPod, which I have used for the last two games. So I might not be on or I might not vote.

[Paranoia]

I'll probably be able to post no more than once or twice toMorrow as I'm currently visiting my family for the weekend, and I have to go into town to use the internet. Just letting you know.

Alright; if you don't happen to vote today, it won't be held against you as per what the rules state.

Same to BG regarding monday, which unfortunately is a day phase. :(

[Glirdan]

So I myself may have to vote early due to Birthday parties, bonfires, and family visitations all in one day, so please do not hold it against me.

[Glirdan]

Watch this space like a hawk.

Have been since I stepped through my door :rolleyes:

[Morsul the Dark]

Umm... there was a tie... so who was out?

[wilwarin538]

and a note Para, it's usually customary that votes that come in on the DL count, and ones a minute after don't. Like if the DL is 1:00, then a vote at 1:00 counts, but at 1:01 it doesn't. So Mac's vote should count.

[Macalaure]

Hmm... we know that the lynched one is an ordo, but we don't know who it was. That is somewhat dissatisfying. ;)

And, as Wilwa said, if the deadline is 1am, then a vote at 1am is at the deadline, not after it, and the vote should count. If you do it differently (which would be ok, of course), you should have clarified it in the rules.

[Paranoia]

Actually that should be noted; I usually DO NOT accept votes at deadline. I accept them all the way *UP* to deadline. As soon as deadline hits, it's a lynch, and voting is no longer allowed.

[Rikae]

Yes, that should have been noted before you started the game, Paranoia.

It also should have been noted that you considered it acceptable to PM players with the roles of other players who had neither been lynched nor been targeted by any gifted ability. Did you think I would be happy to hear a certain person's role? Certainly not. My sense of fair play is just as offended when I'm the one being given an unfair advantage as when I'm the wronged party.

I don't need your advice on how to play this game. I've been playing it for quite some time, you know, and I've been in pretty much every imaginable situation. I do, however, expect a mod to play fair - and that means being upfront about the rules from the beginning and abiding by them. Your little twist concerning the cobbler, mentioned in your PM to me, is another thing that should have been mentioned from the beginning.

I apologize to the other players, but I will have to withdraw from this game as it is not being run fairly.

[Nerwen]

Wasn't able to get on the net at all, as it turned out.

I'll be all right toMorrow... except that I am now very confused as to what's going on.:confused:

[Macalaure]

What exactly is going on right now?

We still don't know for certain who has been lynched. We have a dropout with all kinds of behind-the-scenes stuff going on. A day that didn't start. Did I miss something?

Mod?

[Boromir88]

I apologize to the other players, but I will have to withdraw from this game as it is not being run fairly.

No need to apologize, I don't appreciate that kind of tinkering with the game play either. Mods need to be like good football refs and that is, be invisible. Sorry, but I'm out too.

[Macalaure]

Mods need to be like good football refs and that is, be invisible.Right now, our mod is a bit too invisible. ;)

I lost a lot of my motivation about this game, too, but I was going to wait for the mod to handle the situation and not drop out yet. But with the way things are progressing (or rather, not progressing), I don't see much point anymore. Out, too.

Shall we just call it a day and abort the game in the mod's absence?

[Nerwen]

Shall we just call it a day and abort the game in the mod's absence?

I'd rather we didn't. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if Para has been influenced somewhat by the way I ran "Metamorphs" recently: I tinkered a bit with that, e.g. adding a "no gifted-reveal" rule after Day One had started. That was just in the interest of balance, mind you; telling a player another player's role just out of the blue is a bit different...

Look, Para, I'd certainly appreciate some idea of when we're to start the Day, and of who got lynched yesterDay. Even if someone's an ordo, as it seems er... Glirsul was, it can be useful to read his posts in that light.

[Inziladun]

Very strange goings on here. I hope nothing has happened to Paranoia. It's odd that there are so many loose ends left dangling like this, and no reaction from Paranoia about all the drama here on the Admin Thread.

[Nerwen]

Very strange goings on here. I hope nothing has happened to Paranoia. It's odd that there are so many loose ends left dangling like this, and no reaction from Paranoia about all the drama here on the Admin Thread.

Well, the usual thing that happens to people is that their internet connection goes on the blink... but there might be some other reason, too. Either way, I think it might be an idea for people to give him a bit longer before abandoning ship.

[Rikae]

Well, at any rate, Nerwen, I think one crucial difference is that the tinkering you did in your game was out in the open for all players to see.

What happened here was that I complained by PM to Paranoia about the way he did the narration, which I thought already broke a few unspoken "rules" of BD WW, and he responded with encouragement not to give up and the revelation of a certain gifted's role (\not even a confirmation of a guess I made or anything, but new information altogether). He also revealed that he had been planning to treat the cobbler role differently than expected without mentioning it - not cool in my book, since the village couldn't take this into consideration.

So clearly I couldn't keep playing with this additional unearned knowledge - any victory would be stripped of all honor. It's a shame, since I was quite enjoying this game and I hate to let my team down, but without a level playing field (or an uneven playing field everyone knows about) there can't be a real game.

Someone (who can step forward if/when they like) mentioned to me that we should have a minimum number of games a person must play before being allowed to be a mod, and I think this is an excellent idea. We have a sort of culture that has evolved around Barrowdowns werewolf: some rules are understood to be the norm, and when a mod changes them, xe should know that this needs to be pointed out to the players, etc. A mod has a responsibility to the players, and most mods around here take that seriously (even ones who, like Nerwen and Fea, have a few surprises up their sleeves tend to do so in a way that is fair to the players and their contributions to the game). We seem to have a very complex process for getting started in the RPGs, and though I'm not suggesting something that extreme is needed here, a games-played requirement for modship sounds reasonable to me.

[Rikae]

Very strange goings on here. I hope nothing has happened to Paranoia. It's odd that there are so many loose ends left dangling like this, and no reaction from Paranoia about all the drama here on the Admin Thread.

It could just be that he's sulking/hiding because of the controversy - in fact, it seems most likely to me, especially since he already nearly left the 'downs in the last game. Not very responsible modding, but what can you say.

[Nerwen]

Well, at any rate, Nerwen, I think one crucial difference is that the tinkering you did in your game was out in the open for all players to see. What happened here was that I complained by PM to Paranoia about the way he did the narration, which I thought already broke a few unspoken "rules" of BD WW, and he responded with encouragement not to give up and the revelation of a certain gifted's role (\not even a confirmation of a guess I made or anything, but new information altogether). He also revealed that he had been planning to treat the cobbler role differently than expected without mentioning it - not cool in my book, since the village couldn't take this into consideration.

So clearly I couldn't keep playing with this additional unearned knowledge - any victory would be stripped of all honor. It's a shame, since I was quite enjoying this game and I hate to let my team down, but without a level playing field (or an uneven playing field everyone knows about) there can't be a real game.
Oh, I agree– you can't have the mod telling players each others' roles just on a whim like that. But all the same, it occurred to me that Para might have got the idea from the last game that it's how we do things here.

Someone (who can step forward if/when they like) mentioned to me that we should have a minimum number of games a person must play before being allowed to be a mod, and I think this is an excellent idea.
Agreed; that could save us a lot of grief in future.

It could just be that he's sulking/hiding because of the controversy - in fact, it seems most likely to me, especially since he already nearly left the 'downs in the last game. Not very responsible modding, but what can you say.
All right, but you're going to feel pretty bad if it turns out he was run over by a bus or something. I'm just saying...:rolleyes:

[Blind Guardian]

This reminds me of all those Star magazines. :) sooo...now what? I feel kind of lucky I wasn't a gifted. :p

[Blind Guardian]

Oh, I agree– you can't have the mod telling players each others' roles just on a whim like that. But all the same, it occurred to me that Para might have got the idea from the last game that it's how we do things here.


Agreed; that could save us a lot of grief in future.


All right, but you're going to feel pretty bad if it turns out he was run over by a bus or something. I'm just saying...:rolleyes:

+1 Thats a good idea.


My first grade teacher was hit by a bus. We had subs the whole year.

[Rikae]

BG, you're signed up to mod, right? How many game shave you played?

I think five or six would be a good minimum (maybe we should move this discussion to the general WW thread?)

[Boromir88]

This reminds me of all those Star magazines. :) sooo...now what? I feel kind of lucky I wasn't a gifted. :p

Well with what's happened and a Mod lost in cyberspace, I can't see how the current game can pick up and continue. But that's for every individual to decide.

I would hate to see a new member's first modded game crash and burn in a fiery blaze, but take it as a learning experience. Modding and playing in other Mafia games does not mean you understand Barrow-downs werewolf. This game is allowed by the Admins of the forum because originally it was loosely based off Tolkien. This is after all a Tolkien forum, and the game has strayed far away from the original design. Too much more, and attempts to alter the way WW is played on this forum, you'll find many of us just deciding not to play anymore, the Admins will shut it down for good (as they should) and that is something none of us want to see happen. So, I'm glad Rikae's said something about the PM.

I would suggest for Para, to re-do signups and reassign roles if he wants his first BD-WW modship to go better. As far as this game as it is, like I said I'm out. I simply won't play in a game that's been unfairly treated by the mod or anyone. Also, no mod right now was a big factor. I remember when another member (who was actually a long time member) signed up to mod a game, began the thread, game was filled, then he disappeared for 2 weeks. I couldn't wait around, neither could some others so we had to drop out. If I'm told to "watch the thread like a hawk" I will, but you best be ready to keep the game rolling and not leave us waiting around. But like I said, everyone's going to have to decide if they wish to continue with this game or not.

There's a couple things about organization and how the last couple of these games have been going that I think we need to have a conversation about. But, I don't think this is the thread to do it in. This should be left open for the planning of Para's game, and whatever winds up happening with it. I'm going to the original thread (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showthread.php?t=11911&page=115) to post my opinion on general Barrow-Downs WW stuff.

[Inziladun]

I don't believe that I could, with a clear conscience, continue this game with what I feel to be unearned knowledge of a wolf's identity. If that helped in identifying the others it would feel rather cheap.

I wasn't doing particularly well in the game, I don't think, but I was having fun. Ah, well. :(

[Glirdan]

I'm in agreement with Zil. I was having fun, but after all of this ruckus, I'm not sure I want to continue.

[Macalaure]

I don't believe that I could, with a clear conscience, continue this game with what I feel to be unearned knowledge of a wolf's identity. If that helped in identifying the others it would feel rather cheap.

Even though I dropped out, I don't think knowing the identity of a wolf should influence that decision. Wolves dropped out before, their role became known and the game continued. Not such a big deal.

[Inziladun]

Even though I dropped out, I don't think knowing the identity of a wolf should influence that decision. Wolves dropped out before, their role became known and the game continued. Not such a big deal.

If this was a "normal" modfire situation I might agree. This seems different, though.

[mormegil]

There's a couple things about organization and how the last couple of these games have been going that I think we need to have a conversation about. But, I don't think this is the thread to do it in. This should be left open for the planning of Para's game, and whatever winds up happening with it. I'm going to the original thread (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showthread.php?t=11911&page=115) to post my opinion on general Barrow-Downs WW stuff.

Agreed, I don't see that there is much else to talk about specifically on this game. I think the discussion is going to continue on the main admin thread. Please direct all comments and suggestions there. For now however this thread will be closed so unless Paranoia sends me a PM and wants it reopened it will remain closed. Boromir suggested the chance to redo the game and that would be a situation where this thread would be reopened.