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Opether
08-19-2001, 10:13 PM
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What do you think was Galadriel's power?
I mean, we all know she had her ring, but it served her the protect her land.

But what if someone will attack her personally,
how can she defendfight better than others, after all she is considered &quot;Powerful&quot;.

and also, why would the one ring enhance her power so much? she is no Maia or anything...just an elf.


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Telchar
08-20-2001, 12:22 AM
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Re: Galadriel's Powers

Just an elf ... Hmmfff! She is according to HoME X greatest af all the Noldor save Fanor only (maybe) but she was wiser thatn he!

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Opether
08-20-2001, 12:51 AM
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Re: Galadriel's Powers

yeah, but what i meant is: define her greatness !
Can she use magic? can she fight? is she just smart?
things like that. <img src=smile.gif ALT=":)">

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GandaIf The White
08-20-2001, 06:17 PM
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Re: Galadriel's Powers

I dont think you can be sure what Galadriel would do if she was in Battle. The attack on Dul Guldur is the only time it ever said she had been in battle (as far as I know). But I suppose she would weild a sword and a sheild just like any other Elven Warrior.. maybe a bow for long range combat.

I dont know about any kind of 'magic' though.

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Halbarad
08-20-2001, 11:44 PM
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Re: Galadriel's Powers

It said that in the attack on Dol Guldur Galadriel tore down the walls- of a fortress of Sauron! So she can rip down stuff- pretty impressive if you ask me


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Telchar
08-21-2001, 02:40 AM
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Re: Galadriel's Powers

I have read this passage about the attack on Dol Guldur, but I cant find it??
Can you guy senlighten me????

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08-21-2001, 05:02 AM
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Re: Galadriel's Powers

The destruction of Dol Guldur is in Appendix B, RoTK.

<blockquote>Quote:<hr> .....when the Shadow passed, Celeborn came forth and led the host of Lrien over Anduin in many boats. They took Dol Guldur, and Galadriel threw down its walls and laid bare its pits, and the forest was cleansed.<hr></blockquote>

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Telchar
08-21-2001, 07:57 AM
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Re: Galadriel's Powers

Sound alot like Luthien on Tol-in-Gaurhoth - I wonder what Melian taught the girls <img src=laugh.gif ALT=":lol">

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08-21-2001, 09:11 PM
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Re: Galadriel's Powers

Before to much is made of it note that Luthien was only able to do so after gave her mastery of the tower, and Galadriel only after the destruction of the Ring (though with what that implies to her as well) and Sauron's fall.

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Helkahothion
06-20-2003, 05:20 AM
I wonder what Melian taught the girls

Well, it's a darn good abilety to be able to overthrow walls. smilies/wink.gif

But what bugs me: What would happen if an Orc would charge her and she was alone. You know, she never caried around weapons, so she should have a way to defend herself. What was that?

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Aredhel Idril Telcontar
06-20-2003, 05:25 AM
I think it says she took part in the first Kinslaying, though I'm not sure. If she did, it's obvious she could wield a sword and protect herself. I doubt thousands of years of *relatively* peaceful ruling would have diminished those abilities... smilies/wink.gif

Morwen Tindomerel
06-20-2003, 09:33 AM
According to Tolkien Galadriel fought in defense of her Telerin kin at Alqualonde. He also describes her as a bit of an amazon, at least in her youth, rather like her cousin Aredhel. I guess all those brothers gave both ladies a tomboy streak.

Olorin
06-20-2003, 02:43 PM
JRRT was trying to create a myth and in myths there are always questions left unanswered for the readers to wonder about. Unanswered questions are some of best and worst parts about JRRT's works because the reader will always be wondering about the unsolved mysteries. That could be a good thing or a bad thing.

The power and magic of the elves is one such mystery that can never be truly solved by substantial evidence. There's only speculation.

Atleast that's my take on it. If any of you know better than I do, please feel free to correct me. smilies/smile.gif

Arwen Melian
06-20-2003, 08:43 PM
Well, Galadriel is the keeper of Nenya....the Ring of Adament also known as the Ring of Water. Therefore it is my opinion that she can call upon the land itself(or water...but perhaps that has more to do with her mirror)to defend her.

Arwen Melian
06-20-2003, 08:44 PM
Well, Galadriel is the keeper of Nenya....the Ring of Adamant also known as the Ring of Water. Therefore it is my opinion that she can call upon the land itself(or water...but perhaps that has more to do with her mirror)to defend her.

Helkahothion
06-21-2003, 04:55 AM
I'm beginning to see a pattern in your posting Arwen Melian smilies/wink.gif

No, the ring did not have the power to alter earth or water. Someone been watching too much captain planet? smilies/wink.gif

It did not posses the power to, I don't know, buildt up a rock wall in front of her to block a sword or anything. I think she could defend herself like gandalf's staff. Knock people out with a swoop of her arm. I think her power was also mental.

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Suilad,

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Aredhel Idril Telcontar
06-21-2003, 09:45 AM
One thing for sure, I doubt Galadriel could do *magic* tricks like Gandalf. And the Elven Rings were made to preserve, not to destroy.
I guess in war she would depend upon her skill and upon her soldiers.
If she fought for the Teleri, how could she have joined the Noldorin host later? Sorry, it's been a long time since I last read Sil.. smilies/rolleyes.gif

Helkahothion
06-21-2003, 01:24 PM
Well, you can hide a lot of things under a dress. Just ask Maikadilwen, Durelin or Amanaduial the Archer. smilies/evil.gif

Suilad,

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Arwen Melian
06-21-2003, 01:47 PM
You have quite a sense Helkahothian, this is for you "captain planet he's a hero!" No I am not going to sing it smilies/smile.gif. I relly did't mean it that way. Can you picture Galadriel holding out her hand with Nenya , cying "water!" That would be sad and scary. smilies/smile.gif

FingolfintheBold
06-21-2003, 02:08 PM
I think as for magic, elves define it differently. Luthien was a tremendous minstrel, who could put Morgoth himself under with her song. Fingon battles Sauron in a tune. Perhaps Galadriel could rend the stone of the walls with a song that spoke against them. Words are powerful in ME. Gandalf's magic seems to be partially word-activated. What Galadriel did probably wouldnt be magic to elves, but to us it certainly would be!

Finwe
06-21-2003, 02:09 PM
Oh dear, I just had a mental picture of Gandalf crying out "Fire," Galadriel "Wind!" Elrond "Wind!" It's a very funny mental picture!

I think that Galadriel was fully capable of defending herself, she just didn't need to. After all, one who fought against Feanor (and his sons) during the Kinslaying (and survived!) has to have been one pretty powerful warrior indeed. It is also said that Galadriel "was a match for the athletes and the loremasters of the Noldor in their youth." That doesn't seem like the kind of thing that you can easily forget.

After all, she had loads of men around to defend her, and she didn't even have to lift a finger. Galadriel spoke, they all served. Isn't that every girl's dream? smilies/biggrin.gif

Helkahothion
06-21-2003, 02:12 PM
That would be horrible. Not even that, it would also be quite pathetic. Tolkien would have gone into a very low place if would have done that. I think that Galadriel carried a weapon in those days.

Yeah, it would be every girls dream. Faye has one warrior though. So does Maikadilwen. If they would combine their powers, they would have an army of two soldiers. Hm, I hope they snap their fingers.

But I think that in that time, Galadril carried a weapon.

Roccotari Eldandil
06-24-2003, 03:17 PM
where are all these references to Galadriel's youth coming from?

Helkahothion
06-24-2003, 03:24 PM
Silmarillion. Another book written by Tolkien.

Suilad,

Anuion