WW LXXIX: Fall From Olympus

[satansaloser2005]

Nog, I don't want you to leave. I want you to help the village. If you need to go, don't make us lose an innocent (as you claim) to modkill and then possibly lynch another. (Yes, I know, we could catch a wolf toMorrow, but we could not as well.) If our seer(s) dream you toNight we'll be able to gauge the validity of their dreams based on your role. You'd be helping the village immensely, both in reducing the kill count (by keeping our loss down to one toMorrow, at least in theory) and in helping us obtain information for the seers.

Personally, I don't care which seer is which. In my ideal world they can stay hidden for Days, even the rest of the game, rather than parading around and cheapening the game with their knowledge and doing our work for us. I'm fine with not knowing who they are or which is which. I just think they should know.

[the phantom]

Sally- you obviously didn't read everything I said. Want to know why my Werewolf alarm went off? I'll say it slowly so that you don't miss it. It wasn't necessarily due to the Seer revealing, but due to the fact that-

...it... keeps.... the... Rangers... busy.... which... would... avoid... a... repeat... of.... the... save... last... night... which... had... to... be... the... number... one... thing... on... the... minds... of... the... Wolves... after... that.... incident... And... better.... yet... it... may... turn... out... to... be... a... worthless... Seer.... anyway.... plus... the... Seer... will... know... soon... enough... without... having... to... fabricate... some.... fake.... test.... plus... it's... weird... that... you're... trying... to... set.... up... tomorrow's... lynch.... today.

[autume98]

So I've been thinking. I know I'm innocent. I really don't feel like getting lynched toDay. Is there anyone else you feel who is more guilty looking than I? Obviously I haven't been doing a good job at proving my innocence. I feel like I'm letting the village down, and I really don't like that. I wish I knew what to do to help you see that I'm innocent. Alas, I'm pretty much out of ideas other than telling you we need to look for somebody else to lynch. I'd be willing to go for any that phantom mentioned earlier. I just need enough people to do that.

Edit: x-ed with Nog, Sally, phantom

[Folwren]

Good grief! I just finished reading everything. I will look over the notes I wrote, try to make them make sense, and then post them and then maybe attempt to vote.

I'd just like to say...people...this may be a game and we may all know we like each other, but please try to be nice. I'm not even talking so much about Nogrod and Nerwen, although things have gotten somewhat nasty there, but...be nice to Autume, folks. Please. I don't mean to change your opinion of her, but at least be all the way civil, and not just half-way decent to her.

-- Foley

Edit: Cross posted with Sally, Phantom, and Tum.

[Nogrod]

So the phantom, anyone but Lottie?

How does this sound like a lover-stuff to me?

And you know one of every lover-pair is a wolf.

[Folwren]

Okay, my notes turned into a hopefully readable post:

Nogrod’s reasoning seems really screwy. Nerwen hits the nail on the head when she evaluates what she dubs his ‘fork reasoning’. However, it is hard for me to take everything Nerwen says completely seriously. The first day or two, I felt some suspicion towards her, though I could not and still cannot say exactly why. (It does not help that I did not read all of Day 2 very thoroughly.)

But then I read Nogrod’s first post after returning, post number 666 (good blazes, what a number!). He seemed genuinely angry. Wow, it’d be nice if he could put that much feeling into his RPG posts. ;) (I love you Nogrod, really do.) I have nothing definite to say concerning this, but in my mind, he seemed to refute Nerwen’s post against him pretty darn well. He also seemed to have feeling that a true guilty wouldn’t have.

Although it is true that his posts do not necessarily hold a great deal of meat in them, they seem un-wolfish to me. So, now I’m suspecting both Nogrod and Nerwen, but am leaning more towards Nerwen being guilty. NOT because of what Nogrod said, but because of my previous gut feeling about Nerwen.

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At first, Lottie’s post about Tum made little sense to me (as has been noted by others) and my impression of Tum after reading half of it (I confess, I didn’t read it all) was that, “She’s a newbie and likely is innocent. If she’s new, it’s not really surprising she agrees with everyone.”

But then I started to see different quotes from her (mostly, her talk about Eonwe being innocent, her comment about Rikae and then in post 600 she takes it back) and saw how absolutely non-uniform they all were and my alarm bells started going off in my head.

Concerning Tum’s post 670 – Sadly shallow. I don’t like saying mean things about people, but that was my impression. Why’d she probably vote for Sally or Rikae when she thought Nogrod was looking more and more suspicious?

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I noted the few accusations about Phantom, and I still hold to my opinion that I briefly stated yesterday and say that I am getting a feeling that he is innocent.

I know this is a bone of contention for Sally. Why did I defend him when there had been few votes against him? Answer: I had absolutely NO time on my hands to read the thread, I saw he was being voted for, voting time had barely started, and I just wanted to say I thought he wasn’t a wolf. I feared that many people might suspect him and vote for him, that is all.

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I do not understand why everyone is saying we have two seers. I seriously need to go back and check the admin thread, but I don’t have time tonight and won’t have time tomorrow, neither. Blah.

Sally’s plan of possibly sacrificing Hestia seemed dangerous. Now, understand that as I write this, I don’t quite understand what part exactly Hestia plays and all, or how we even know who Hestia is. Whatever. It seemed odd to be willing to sacrifice her. BUT, as Mac said in post 620, it didn’t seem like a plan a wolf would put forth. My opinion of her is uncertain.

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Something that has stood out to me twice by the time I get to post 632 is that Mac says that he distrusts Inzil and Wilwa, but he cannot say why. Odd that he should even mention that he has a gut feeling….I don’t think a wolf would do that. I think that a wolf would find something to peg on someone, instead of just saying, “I have a feeling, but I don’t know why….”

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Okay......I'm posting this without knowing if it's any good at all, but I need to get it out, because I think I'm almost out of time.

[Glirdan]

Forty minutes left to vote people.

Tally is as follows

Nog --> Lottie
Greenie --> Nog
Lalaith --> Lottie 2
Zil --> Tum
Wilwa --> Tum 2
Mira --> phantom
Mac --> Lottie 3
Rikae --> Tum 3

[Nienna]

Ok kids, I can no longer keep my eyes open. I don't like any of Phantom's suggestions and Tum is my best suspect.

++Tum

Which leaves the votes at:

Nog --> Lottie
Greenie --> Nog
Lal --> Lottie
Zil --> Tum
Wilwa --> Tum
Mira --> Phantom
Mac --> Lottie (3)
Rikae --> Tum
Nienna --> Tum (4)

[the phantom]

I'm not a lover, Nog, and I'd bet my bank account that Lottie isn't either. I mean, fine, if you're so sure about it, why don't you bet your life? Lynch her, and if I'm right then you give up without a fight tomorrow. How's that?

[autume98]

Ok. I was really hoping I didn't have to do this, but it looks like do this or die. :(

If it's the wrong move I'm sorry. I'm the other Seer. I dreamt last night that Rikae was a wolf. Which is why I was going after her today.

[autume98]

Oh and I forgot my vote.

++Rikae

[Folwren]

Oh dear.

[Rikae]

Sorry, but you're a false seer.

[satansaloser2005]

Ahhhh....I see we clearly have a communications barrier.

That....was....only....one....suggestion. We....could....just....lynch....a....test....subje ct....and....let....the....seers....work....it.... out....for....themselves....without....involving.. ..the....rangers. Why....can't....you....see....that?

That rudeness thing? We're doing it. Let's not, okay?

Let me make sure I understand. You're unhappy about the ranger aspect of this plan, I get that. Is that your main problem? I know it could be cumbersome to the village but at the same time (especially if Nog's unable to play any further) the test would give us information. We don't have to out the seers. Heck if I care if we do; I just said I didn't want to know anyway. I'd rather keep it simple, but I feel it's important that our gifteds (which our, of course, a gift, and therefore to be used and taken care of) get the information they need to help the village as best they can.

Nog's leaving. Why not cut our losses?

Heck, I'd be happy with him leaving of self-inflicted causes and finding out that way. I just feel it's a good way to clear up the false seer issue for good, at least for the seers themselves. (And for the record no, I'm not super after Nog just to get him to leave. He mentioned it, and I think he's evil anyway, and I know how much it sucks to not be able to participate in the game when you know you want to help your team.) We don't have to do Nog; I don't care. But what happens if I'm Hestia (I'm not, by the way) and I dream Dun toNight and find out he's a wolf? I campaign to get him lynched, succeed, and find out he's Eros! We've just killed a ranger because I thought my dream was correct and I banked on it. Obviously our seers can't do that right now, but what if they could? What if they (or he or she, whichever if not both is the true seer) could dream with the definite knowledge that their dreams would be correct? What if their dreams were *gasp* concrete?

That's the objection I don't understand. If you don't like the plan, fine. But you can't sit around, say you're innocent, and then go absolutely against a line of planning that leads to the innocents gaining more definite information. Tell me where I'm wrong on that point, just that point. Tell me that I'm wrong for wanting to help the seers know if their dreams are accurate. Tell me why that's evil, or else drop the subject, because that's the only issue up for debate.

P.S. Sorry, I know I'm getting cranky, but this isn't an issue of people saying my plan has flaws, this is people saying that I'm evil for trying to help a gifted. My role is designated to help gifteds, one as much as the next. I'm an innocent, and thus I want to help everybody I can. Don't tell me I'm not doing my job. I'm doing my best.

EDIT: x'd since the post I was obviously responding to. Oh bloody....

[autume98]

Sorry, but you're a false seer.

Well we can lynch you and find out. ;)

[Nogrod]

A hint to anyone around...

Both tp and Tum are more or less fiercely against lynching Lottie. That amount of interest should tell you something as there aren't that many innocents who know each others - and how wrong have we been thus far?

I say go for Lottie (the best chance we have of getting one of them - Tum might be related but I'm not sure if that's so clear - tp hasn't stood for her that openly or strongly. But he has really stood out for Lottie the entire game I think.

[Folwren]

Autume, tell us who you dreamed of the previous nights?

[satansaloser2005]

I'm not a lover, Nog, and I'd bet my bank account that Lottie isn't either. I mean, fine, if you're so sure about it, why don't you bet your life? Lynch her, and if I'm right then you give up without a fight tomorrow. How's that?

I like this plan. Well, apart from lynching Lottie, that is.

Ok. I was really hoping I didn't have to do this, but it looks like do this or die. :(

If it's the wrong move I'm sorry. I'm the other Seer. I dreamt last night that Rikae was a wolf. Which is why I was going after her today.

Oh bugger. Whether you're lying or honest, real seer or false, bugger. Bugger.

Well we can lynch you and find out. ;)

No, we can't do that! That was my plan, and everyone hated it! :cool:

[Rikae]

Sorry dear, but Sally's the only real seer.

[satansaloser2005]

Autume, tell us who you dreamed of the previous nights?

NO!

[the phantom]

Um, Tum. If you were wishing not to die today, I'm not sure if that was the best vote. Understand- I'm not saying you're lying, but... I mean- we can't prove you're the Seer, so we can't for certain believe you. Plus you may be false. And I don't think Rikae was likely to attract a run of votes.

I can understand revealing in your position, but to go ahead and cast your vote like that? Not a good plan at all.

[satansaloser2005]

Sorry dear, but Sally's the only real seer.

I'm not sure if you're insulting me or teasing. Either way, I laughed a little. Thanks for that.

[Folwren]

NO!

Why not? Do I not understand something? Why not?

Cross posted with Phantom and Sally again.

[satansaloser2005]

Um, Tum. If you were wishing not to die today, I'm not sure if that was the best vote. Understand- I'm not saying you're lying, but... I mean- we can't prove you're the Seer, so we can't for certain believe you. Plus you may be false. And I don't think Rikae was likely to attract a run of votes.

I can understand revealing in your position, but to go ahead and cast your vote like that? Not a good plan at all.

This. You just condemned yourself to die, more or less.

[the phantom]

Sorry dear, but Sally's the only real seer.
No she's not. She's Hestia.

[autume98]

Autume, tell us who you dreamed of the previous nights?

Is this a good idea? If the general consensus is yes then I will.

Edit: x-ed with bunches

[satansaloser2005]

Is this a good idea? If the general consensus is yes then I will.

No, no, no, no, no. Not unless you dreamed someone who is dead. Then yes.

What is Rikae's role then? You said wolf, but not goddess. Speak up, be heard! Tell all!

[satansaloser2005]

No she's not. She's Hestia.

I'm far smarter than that (as usual). :Merisu:

[autume98]

No, no, no, no, no. Not unless you dreamed someone who is dead. Then yes.

What is Rikae's role then? You said wolf, but not goddess. Speak up, be heard! Tell all!

Ares. Plain 'ole wolf. No lover.

[Folwren]

This. You just condemned yourself to die, more or less.

Good heavens, I feel like a moronic newbie. I still don't understand. You mean, she may be false, therefore if she lists names that are really false, innocents could die? Eh...it's true. But it is possible that we will be able to decipher what her dreams told her and determine of they are true or not.

-- Foley

x-posted with Tum, Sally, and Sally.

[Nogrod]

Oops... it seems we have a totally new situation...

And Rikae's comment about Sally being the seer compared with Tum's message of Rikae being as wolf would kind if fit together.

So how many votes do we have to check Rikae out? Can we make it?
Or is there a possdibility that Tum might sacrifice for something we don't want to stay alive?

[the phantom]

You just lost the game, Sally. :p

[Rikae]

I'm not sure if you're insulting me or teasing. Either way, I laughed a little. Thanks for that.
Aren't you? Bugger.

Really, Autume, I believe you dreamed me and got wolf - it explains the nonsensical way you went after me more than anything, but I'm still not a wolf. I suppose my death would be one way to find out, but I kind of hope the other seer might know something tomorrow that will straighten all this out.

[satansaloser2005]

Good heavens, I feel like a moronic newbie. I still don't understand. You mean, she may be false, therefore if she lists names that are really false, innocents could die? Eh...it's true. But it is possible that we will be able to decipher what her dreams told her and determine of they are true or not.

-- Foley

If she's legit and she names innocent names then yes, people could be killed. If she's false I don't care, but we don't know yet, so I'd much rather wait.

If she's even telling the truth, that is.

[Nerwen]

Seriously? I mean if yes, then I have to consider refraining from these multi-role games. I have nothing against you as a person and I really feel bad if that is the feeling you have - if you're innocent that is; as a wolf you need to be prepared to take everything, you knew that?

But seriously, if you're honestlly feeling bad I will apologise immediately...

*Apologises*
Okay, Nog, I'm sorry I said you were being a jerk. But understand– normally you're someone I like playing with, and consider one of the more valuable players. This time around I'm just... perplexed. You really sound like you're much more interested in lashing out at anyone who disagrees with you in any way, than you are in actually catching wolves... or even in giving the appearance of wanting to catch wolves.

And why are you so interested in saving Lottie? I mean why do you especially ask for my reasons to suspect her?
Well, you know... you did vote her. Lottie is in the lead at the time of posting, and I really can't see why.

Or why do you think my off-hand "counter-attack on Greenie"didn't loook good? Looking at how she's been treating me I think mine was even easier than any immediate retalitation so many hear tend to do. And at the same time I was trying to find out who would stretch their necks for her - if she was a wolf I think she could very well be - okay, I don't need to explain you these basics to you, do Í?
It looked to me like you were seeing how easy a lynch she'd be.

EDIT:X'd with everyone for ages.

[autume98]

This. You just condemned yourself to die, more or less.

I didn't realize that. Newbie mistake. If you lynch me I guarantee you that I will NOT be a wolf and will be revealed as the Seer. Besides do you really think that I could come up with a plan to reveal as a Seer as a wolf. This would only be my second game. I know I'm smart, but I'm not sure I'm that smart. Besides that'd be bad taste. At least for me.

[satansaloser2005]

I didn't realize that. Newbie mistake. If you lynch me I guarantee you that I will NOT be a wolf and will be revealed as the Seer. Besides do you really think that I could come up with a plan to reveal as a Seer as a wolf. This would only be my second game. I know I'm smart, but I'm not sure I'm that smart. Besides that'd be bad taste. At least for me.

Well we could still coordinate enough to save you. I need to look at votes.

Again, assuming we want to save you.

See, this is why plans are bloody good things. *whimpers into her pillow*

[Folwren]

My bet is she's not bluffing.

But...guys...listen. It doesn't make sense that if Tum is the Seer that she is the false one, because Boromir seemed to be false, didn't he? He seemed to be pointing to Eonwe being a wolf, and Eonwe was our only completely innocent chap around.

x-posted with Sally.

[satansaloser2005]

Tum, are you Hestia or Apollo? My apologies if you said and I missed it.

[autume98]

Nog --> Lottie
Greenie --> Nog
Lal --> Lottie
Zil --> Tum
Wilwa --> Tum
Mira --> Phantom
Mac --> Lottie (3)
Rikae --> Tum
Nienna --> Tum (4)
Tum --> Rikae

[Nogrod]

Don''t you know wolves that you may win the mind-games at the last minutes but most of us (well prolly not me) have time to look closely at these last moments during the Night and a few should read it right after the facts by the Mod?

So should you start with Rikae or tp?

Rikae would be the safest bet if we have votes enough.

[autume98]

Tum, are you Hestia or Apollo? My apologies if you said and I missed it.

Apollo

[Loslote]

But if you are really able to say that there are some good points, I'd really love to see them. I mean actual points other than annoyed retaliations or Lottie's "I don't like him" (and for the second time, despite your denial, you Lottie said that! word by word). I mean which are the points?

I did not deny that I said those words, I denied that it was personal. I had a bad feeling about you would be better, I suppose. Personally, you are awesome. Game-wise, you look furry.

~~~~~~~

Bugger.

Besides do you really think that I could come up with a plan to reveal as a Seer as a wolf. This would only be my second game. I know I'm smart, but I'm not sure I'm that smart. Besides that'd be bad taste. At least for me.

I've been your packmate before, Tum. And false revealing as a Seer definitely came up in Night pms. Just throwin' that out there.

[satansaloser2005]

Apollo

Anyone want to counter that? I sure can't.

[Nogrod]

Four votes still required... or woulld three suffice (the last to gain it was it?)?

[autume98]

I've been your packmate before, Tum. And false revealing as a Seer definitely came up in Night pms. Just throwin' that out there.

Really. I don't remember this. I thought I was packmates with BG and Rikae.

[Folwren]

So should you start with Rikae or tp?

Rikae would be the safest bet if we have votes enough.

Why would we kill the Phantom?

x-posted with Tum, Nogrod, Sally, Lotty, and Tum again.

[Rikae]

False reveals are bad taste? *headdesk*

Autume, I wanted to like you, really.

Folwren, you seem to forget that Boro was pointing even more blatantly to Phantom being Zeus, and we still don't know anything about that; not to mention the wolves would probably not have killed him in the first place if he wasn't right about something.

[satansaloser2005]

I've been your packmate before, Tum. And false revealing as a Seer definitely came up in Night pms. Just throwin' that out there.

I suspected as much. I tried not to meta, but we've talked about it in RL before (between games, of course) so it wouldn't surprise me. (Drat.) However, I'm not sure either way. This could be gifted shiftiness or it could be wolfism.

Can we just kill a fur face and let me go to bed? Please?

[Nogrod]

But...guys...listen. It doesn't make sense that if Tum is the Seer that she is the false one, because Boromir seemed to be false, didn't he? Our only chance is to check her out. I think we're not in that dire straits we couldn't afford it - even if they got a fifth and a sixth wolf...

I mean don't trust tp's optimism if he's one of them.

[Loslote]

Really. I don't remember this. I thought I was packmates with BG and Rikae

In Shasta's game? No! You were packmates with Boro, BeiGei, and I.

[satansaloser2005]

False reveals are bad taste? *headdesk*

Autume, I wanted to like you, really.

Folwren, you seem to forget that Boro was pointing even more blatantly to Phantom being Zeus, and we still don't know anything about that; not to mention the wolves would probably not have killed him in the first place if he wasn't right about something.


Boro could have been random. I'm not saying it was, but they could have been after their cursed or a ranger or just about anything. We don't know the wolves' motives.

[satansaloser2005]

In Shasta's game? No! You were packmates with Boro, BeiGei, and I.

I remember the game well. Tum went down in a semi-classy fashion, didn't she?

[autume98]

In Shasta's game? No! You were packmates with Boro, BeiGei, and I.

My bad. Sorry. :)

[Folwren]

I still don't think she's bluffing. That idea of her being a wolf and getting the idea of bluffing the seer being introduced during Night PMs is far stretched. Why would they give the job to her? She's new at the game and liable to handle it roughly, as is evidenced by what has happened here this night.

[autume98]

So why not vote for Rikae toDay. If she's not a wolf then the Hunters can kill me toNight.

[Nogrod]

Showing qualities time... :rolleyes:

[the phantom]

Note: If Tum does end up being the Seer, I will pat myself on the back and say, "See, told you I wasn't happy with her as a candidate!" Problem is, at the same time I am not overly happy about testing her powers on Rikae, as I've been operating under the impression that Rikae was, well, something else (not Ares). I mean- you have hinted at your role, haven't you Rikae? Very quiet like? Things that only obessive WW junkies would catch? Or have you been hood-winking me?

Nog- you're totally off yet again. It frankly ticks me off that you're not going to get lynched.

[Loslote]

Folwren[/B], you seem to forget that Boro was pointing even more blatantly to Phantom being Zeus, and we still don't know anything about that; not to mention the wolves would probably not have killed him in the first place if he wasn't right about something.

Or he dreamed Mira as Ranger, which may or may not be a false dream - though it seems that way. Thing is, we really have no solid idea which it was.

[satansaloser2005]

You just lost the game, Sally. :p

Oh just....you'll pay for that this weekend. Right now I'm busy wolf-hunting.

[Rikae]

Sally, I think you know something useful here. Am I right?

Look, I can see that no one wants to risk losing a seer, but would you rather lose a false seer or a ranger?

[satansaloser2005]

Note: If Tum does end up being the Seer, I will pat myself on the back and say, "See, told you I wasn't happy with her as a candidate!" Problem is, at the same time I am not overly happy about testing her powers on Rikae, as I've been operating under the impression that Rikae was, well, something else (not Ares). I mean- you have hinted at your role, haven't you Rikae? Very quiet like? Things that only obessive WW junkies would catch? Or have you been hood-winking me?

Nog- you're totally off yet again. It frankly ticks me off that you're not going to get lynched.

Let's kill him then. ;)

[Nogrod]

I mean really. What's the thing now? Are you alll wolves or something? (Nice to know for tomorrow As I think / hope our numbers still win you)

[satansaloser2005]

Sally, I think you know something useful here. Am I right?

Look, I can see that no one wants to risk losing a seer, but would you rather lose a false seer or a ranger?

Neither. Let's kill Nog.

And yes, I know things. But not seerish things exactly, and I'm not telling.

[Folwren]

Folwren[/B], you seem to forget that Boro was pointing even more blatantly to Phantom being Zeus, and we still don't know anything about that; not to mention the wolves would probably not have killed him in the first place if he wasn't right about something.

I didn't forget...that all never made any sense to me, so I just didn't understand. The Zues statements were astonishingly sketchy - you all agreed come Day2. The Eonwe statement was not.

[Loslote]

I remember the game well. Tum went down in a semi-classy fashion, didn't she?

Yup.

So why not vote for Rikae toDay. If she's not a wolf then the Hunters can kill me toNight.

How would the Hunters kill you toNight? That makes no sense.

Nog- you're totally off yet again. It frankly ticks me off that you're not going to get lynched.

We could anyway, Ranger-protect Tum, and deal with the whole situation toMorrow, when we're not down to the last ten minutes of the Day.

EDIT: xed since the TP post I quoted

[Folwren]

We have, what, nine minutes? Dang.

[autume98]

Sally, I think you know something useful here. Am I right?

Look, I can see that no one wants to risk losing a seer, but would you rather lose a false seer or a ranger?

Or would you rather risk losing the real seer or a wolf? Listen it's like I said. If she's not a wolf that means I'm the false seer. Which means you better hope Hestia is the real seer. I don't care if I get killed toNight or toMorrow if I'm proven wrong about Rikae.

[the phantom]

We could anyway, Ranger-protect Tum, and deal with the whole situation toMorrow, when we're not down to the last ten minutes of the Day.
Precisely.

[satansaloser2005]

I mean really. What's the thing now? Are you alll wolves or something? (Nice to know for tomorrow As I think / hope our numbers still win you)

Nog, post once more (so I can congratulate you on 7,000!) then go to bed. When you wake up in the morning there'll be no pain, no stress, no nothing.

++Nog


I love you muchly, but you have to go. Good Night, and good luck to us all.

[Folwren]

We could anyway, Ranger-protect Tum, and deal with the whole situation toMorrow, when we're not down to the last ten minutes of the Day.


Sure. But in the meantime, who are we killing?

[satansaloser2005]

Precisely.

Do it.

[Nerwen]

My bet is she's not bluffing.

But...guys...listen. It doesn't make sense that if Tum is the Seer that she is the false one, because Boromir seemed to be false, didn't he? He seemed to be pointing to Eonwe being a wolf, and Eonwe was our only completely innocent chap around.
As I said, there's been no evidence that any of his (several) possible hints were accurate. But that's hardly proof...
EDIT:X'd with everyone again.

[Rikae]

Look, if I live, wolves be aware toNight: I quite strongly suspect dear old Mac. So chew on that.

[autume98]

Nog --> Lottie
Greenie --> Nog
Lal --> Lottie
Zil --> Tum
Wilwa --> Tum
Mira --> Phantom
Mac --> Lottie (3)
Rikae --> Tum
Nienna --> Tum (4)
Tum --> Rikae
Sally --> Nog (2)

[Loslote]

Sure. But in the meantime, who are we killing?

++Nog

[satansaloser2005]

Crap; I deleted a P.S. to my post before posting and it erased the reason.

Nog's the safest choice and the most dangerous. He'll keep us free of having to deal with this Tum and Rikae business (for toDay) and he's also looking darn guilty. That and he's acting so bloody weird. :p

[Nogrod]

Will Sally be our next lynchee...?

It's nice to be proved innocent this way, though...

[the phantom]

Do it.
...said Emperor Palpatine to young Anakin, attempting to turn him to the dark side, heh heh. :p

But yes, I think I will. I like it better than all the other options.

++ Nog

[Folwren]

Nogrod? Really?

[Glirdan]

Five minutes remaining

[Nerwen]

I still don't think she's bluffing. That idea of her being a wolf and getting the idea of bluffing the seer being introduced during Night PMs is far stretched. Why would they give the job to her?

Huh?:confused:

...That's not how it works, Fowlren.

EDIT:X'd with everyone again.

[Nogrod]

Oh, and Lottie as well...

Two revealed already on top of Rikae?

YOu guys don't know how bad you hit your head now...

[Folwren]

Eh....No. I can't bring myself to do it. I don't mistrust him entirely. I'm sorry.

++Lottie

[autume98]

Nog --> Lottie
Greenie --> Nog
Lal --> Lottie
Zil --> Tum
Wilwa --> Tum
Mira --> Phantom
Mac --> Lottie (3)
Rikae --> Tum
Nienna --> Tum (4)
Tum --> Rikae
Sally --> Nog (2)
Lottie --> Nog (3)
Phantom --> Nog (4)

[satansaloser2005]

Will Sally be our next lynchee...?

It's nice to be proved innocent this way, though...

Sally's clever. Sally ain't goin' nowhere, and that's 'cause I'm the girl with the pearl (and the plan, but that doesn't rhyme and I wasn't going to call myself a guy).

[Loslote]

Will Sally be our next lynchee...?

I dearly hope not - I trust her - but I hope you'll have a nice death anyway. :)

[Loslote]

Oh, and Lottie as well...

Two revealed already on top of Rikae?

YOu guys don't know how bad you hit your head now...

Eh? How's that?

[satansaloser2005]

Eh....No. I can't bring myself to do it. I don't mistrust him entirely. I'm sorry.

++Lottie

Did I mention that I think she's guilty too?

[Nogrod]

What!?!?

YOu must be crazy... all of you...

Maybe this is again that cobbler-game where everyone's a cobbler? :rolleyes:

[Folwren]

Huh?:confused:

...That's not how it works, Fowlren.

I just thought that if the wolves discussed it in their night PMs, they would say, "So, one of us could pretend to be the seer." And the others would be like, "Okay, who'd like to do that?" And then if someone said, "Me! Me! Me!" The other wolves could either be like, "Okay, yeah, you'd be convincing enough." Or, "Er...no...not a good idea at all."

But I guess I'm wrong.

x-posted with a whole BUNCH of people! Yay for busy times on the Downs. It's so much fun knowing that as I type here alone in my room with my dog sleeping beside me at this ungodly hour that there are half a dozen and likely more people scattered about the world sitting in front of their computer screens reading the same things I am reading, writing those very things, and also practically biting their nails with anticipation of how this will all turn out.

[the phantom]

A message for Nog, if you truly are innocent...

You were just thinking completely different than me from start to finish, which usually isn't the case. I could never, ever get on board with you, and given a couple of your suspicions or votes you had obviously missed things that you don't usually miss. In the end, perhaps it was due to time constraints, but I could not ignore the possibility that you knew exactly what you were doing.

You say you're happy to be proven innocent? I also will be proven innocent sooner or later. And if we're both innocent, well- very sorry, and we have an awful lot to work out come post-game.

[Nogrod]

I dearly hope not - I trust her - but I hope you'll have a nice death anyway. :)Dearie... I will come to haunt you unlike some others... :rolleyes:

[Loslote]

Well this is fun. :p

[satansaloser2005]

What!?!?

YOu must be crazy... all of you...

Maybe this is again that cobbler-game where everyone's a cobbler? :rolleyes:

Well I was so sad I couldn't play in that game....you know. ;)

If you've got something to say, say it. I'd legitimately love to hear dying words from you, especially if you turn back into the Nog we all know and love.

(Also, go check your facebook. There's snuggles waiting for you. :))

[Glirdan]

1 minute

[autume98]

I dreamed that Nog was the unicorn.

[the phantom]

If that's true, then I'm waaaaay off, Tum, as I've believed for days that I know who the unicorn is.

And is Lottie actually in the lead now?

[Nogrod]

You say you're happy to be proven innocent? I also will be proven innocent sooner or later. And if we're both innocent, well- very sorry, and we have an awful lot to work out come post-game.Let's see how this turns out?

[Nerwen]

Okay... I was backing away from voting Nog, because I'm afraid I'm not being objective enough about him– but now it looks like the best option.

++Nogrod

And if he's a wolf, let's look at Fowlren toMorrow.

EDIT:X'd with a host... and I've missed the DL. Sorry, Glirdy, but my internet keeps running slow at this time.

[satansaloser2005]

I just thought that if the wolves discussed it in their night PMs, they would say, "So, one of us could pretend to be the seer." And the others would be like, "Okay, who'd like to do that?" And then if someone said, "Me! Me! Me!" The other wolves could either be like, "Okay, yeah, you'd be convincing enough." Or, "Er...no...not a good idea at all."

But I guess I'm wrong.

It can happen like that, but most of the time people volunteer, not get designated. And seer reveals are generally only for last-ditch efforts. Again, usually....

Best shut up, but I'll hopefully explain this more fully for you tomorrow! :)

[Nogrod]

She's very correct indeed...

[Glirdan]

And Time

Everyone stop posting.

[satansaloser2005]

Okay... I was backing away from voting Nog, because I'm afraid I'm not being objective enough about him– but now it looks like the best option.

++Nogrod

And if he's a wolf, let's look at Fowlren toMorrow.


Can we look at her anyway? Please? Hestia? Apollo? Anybody?


EDIT: x'd with the Mod, I swears, precious.

[Folwren]

Ha. If he's a wolf, don't expect me to play that stupidly. I may be somewhat confused about how this particular game is played out with all the roles, but by golly, I'm not a complete dunce.

[Rikae]

I think that was after deadline, Nerwen

[satansaloser2005]

Wow, isn't it nice to not have people posting when they're not supposed- Oh. Never mind.

Sorry, Glirdan, love, I'll shut up now. But somebody had to say it. ;)

[Nerwen]

I dreamed that Nog was the unicorn.
Ah, well, if he is, that'll settle the question of what you are as well.

[Glirdan]

With a total of 5 votes, Nog has been lynched. He was Poseidon, God of the Sea, which means the Unicorn.

I will have the narration up at some point later tomorrow (for once this week, I'm actually exhausted and need bed NOW). I will reveal to everyone in my narration for the Night kill, or my Midnight posts, on whether or not you gained a few Ordo's.

Another quick rule change that will kind of affect things, but only Demeter and Athena really need to pay attention to this: There will be no revealing for these two roles!!

For everyone in this time zone, Good night! :D

PS:

The Night has begun, everyone do what you must do.

PPS: I did not see the time on Nerwen's post when she posted it, therefore I have tallied it in with the votes. :( Like I said, me is tired...

PPPS: I AM NOW GOING TO BED SO SHHHHH!

[Glirdan]

The Gods congregated again for the ending of the Day, as has been the ritual for the past few days since the discovery of Thanatos's body in the Grand Hall. Yet their spirits were high due to the protection of the Night before.

Yet it was time once more to try and discover the culprits behind these attacks, the ones that were attempting to bring them the Twilight. And it seemed that today, The God of the Sea was the one to be questioned.

Zeus looked at his brother in sorrow. Out of his two brothers, he liked Poseidon best and was sorrowful at the very thought that his favorite brother would be responsible for these attacks. But, as King of the Gods, he had to do his duty.

Yet the Gods were growing restless and fed up with Poseidon. Due to him having been away so long, he seemed to be acting rather strange, and they just wanted him gone. And before Zeus could so much as put in a word, the Gods surrounded Poseidon and picked him up and started carrying him towards the fountain that stood in the middle of the hall.

"You seem to like water so much, Uncle, why don't go for a swim!" Artemis yelled. Yet Poseidon did nothing to stop them...he knew his innocence.

The Gods threw Poseidon into the pool, and before he even had a chance to stand up out of it, all of them zapped the pool. When the smoke had cleared, they looked into the pool and saw that he had vanished...

Dead
Night 1 - Glirdan aka. Thanatos (Mod) - Scythe through the stomach
Day 1 - BeiGei aka. Aphrodite (Lover) - Suicide of a broken heart
Night 2 - Boro aka. Hermes (Seer) - Wings through the eyes
Day 2 - Eonwe aka. Only True Ordo - Plummeted to an untimely, mortal death
Day 3 - Nog aka. Poseidon (Unicorn) - Is he dead? No one knows...yet!

Alive
Wilwa
Kath
Mira
Zil
Lottie
Nienna
Nerwen
Folwren
Tum
Lalaith
Greenie
Rikae
Shasta
Mac
Phantom
Sally

IT IS NOW NIGHT 4
Do what you gotta do.

[Glirdan]

The Gods sat up through the Night in their own separate chambers, wondering what had happened to Poseidon after the mysterious vanishing act.

Yet the Night went on as usual. The halls being patrolled, the baddies plotting away, and Zeus and Hera doing only they knew what....

-------------------------------------
EARLIER THAT DAY

Down on the bank of a river, a fisherman was just reeling in his last catch of the day when he noticed something large floating in the river. He waded into the river and gasped.

For their was the body of Poseidon, burnt to a crisp. It seems that he used the last of his strength to try and move himself, using the water, to whisk him away before he got zapped...But he was a little slow.

The God of the Sea had passed.

-----------------------------------

Back on Mount Olympus, Zeus felt a pang in his heart and knew that the worst had befallen his brother....

IT IS STILL NIGHT 4

Dead
Night 1 - Glirdan aka. Thanatos (Mod) - Scythe through the stomach
Day 1 - BeiGei aka. Aphrodite (Lover) - Suicide of a broken heart
Night 2 - Boro aka. Hermes (Seer) - Wings through the eyes
Day 2 - Eonwe aka. Only True Ordo - Plummeted to an untimely, mortal death
Day 3 - Nog aka. Poseidon (Unicorn) - Fish-fried by the other Gods

Alive
Wilwa
Kath
Mira
Zil
Lottie
Nienna
Nerwen
Folwren
Tum
Lalaith
Greenie
Rikae
Shasta
Mac
Phantom
Sally

[Glirdan]

The Night came and with it, a certain calm in the weather outside. Yet the fear was still running as high as ever in Olympus.

Artemis was making her usual patrolling rounds, stopping to say hi to Eros and have quick little discussions with him along the way. After their brief little chat, she wandered off by herself to go check the Grand chamber...After all, that seemed to be the place where the ones doing these terrible things seemed to enjoy putting their triumphs on display. She walked into the room and sensed danger immediately. She drew an arrow from the pouch hanging off her shoulder and notched it to her bow before progressing any farther into the room.

She waited, like a seasoned Hunter, for any sign of movement, but noticed nothing. She slowly stepped into the room, careful to check behind her in case someone approached from behind. But nothing happened. She made her way to the center of the room and turned in a circular motion to take a quick glimpse into every recess of the Chamber. Then she heard it, from right behind her. She turned quickly and fired...but a little too late.

Hera had already done the damage she needed to do and had sent an energy blast right at Artemis, who took it full in the face. When it connected, Hera jumped and screamed for joy! "This is too easy!" she thought to herself. "Like taking candy from a little baby!"

She turned and started walking back to her room when she felt a terrible pain. She looked down and noticed an arrow protruding from her a chest. She let out and little "Oh!" of shock, before crumpling to the ground.

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THE START OF THE DAY

The Gods all made their way to the Grand Chamber, and before even stepping foot through the archway, they all noticed the dead body of their Queen on the ground. They looked a little farther and noticed that there was another body, still smoking from the energy blast that had hit Artemis square in the face.

It seems that the Gods had lucked out in finding one of the one's responsible for bringing the Twilight...but at a price.

Zeus finally came up to the Gods and looked down at the dead body of his beloved wife......

Dead
Night 1 - Glirdan aka. Thanatos (Mod) - Scythe through the stomach
Day 1 - BeiGei aka. Aphrodite (Lover) - Suicide of a broken heart
Night 2 - Boro aka. Hermes (Seer) - Wings through the eyes
Day 2 - Eonwe aka. Only True Ordo - Plummeted to an untimely, mortal death
Day 3 - Nog aka. Poseidon (Unicorn) - Fish-fried by the other Gods
Night 4 - Lottie aka. Artemis (Hunter) - Face full of energy blast from Hera
Night 4 - Wilwa aka. Hera (Wolf) - Pierced by Artemis's last shot

Alive
Kath
Mira
Zil
Nienna
Nerwen
Folwren
Tum
Lalaith
Greenie
Rikae
Shasta
Mac
Phantom
Sally

IT IS NOW DAY 4
Everyone but Shirrifs stop PMing

Start posting

[Boromir88]

Your Great and Magnificent mod is unable to be here today, but do not fret, Hermes is back to deliver dire messages to you lovable Gods.

The wolves have killed Lottie, bye bye, Artemis (Hunter), rest in peace with the knowledge that you have slain the mighty Hera. That means, bye bye to you too Wilwa, serves you right....witch! :p

Let day Commence!

Edit: And checking the Admin thread, this means Zeus, PM a name to Glirdan and choose to either kill, protect, discover person's role, or cast extra vote by Days end.

[A Little Green]

Wow. Cheers Lottie! What I'm wondering about right now, though, is why the wolves picked her. She had dropped a rather clear Hunter hint on Day 2:Do it. Really, go ahead. I'm not upset, I'm not tired of the game in any way, and this is not said in anger. I wouldn't mind being lynched.Did the wolves a) miss or forget that, or b) think she was double-bluffing to avoid being Night-killed (or for some other reason), or c) have something rather more complicated in mind?

Also, concerning Poseinog's death.
Poseidon- God of the Sea – Poseidon is this games Unicorn. When Poseidon dies I will put the names of all of the dead in a hat, including the Unicorn’s name. If the name I pick out is of an innocent (or Cobbler) that person will come back to life ALONG WITH Poseidon. If a Wolf or the False Seer is chosen, no one comes back.Unless I have misunderstood something, the fact that he didn't come back must mean that Glirdan picked either a wolf or a false seer to be brought back with him - and since we had not killed a wolf yet, it must logically follow that Boro was picked and was the false seer. Which, in turn, would make autume the real seer, which, in turn, would confirm Rikae as a wolf, which, in turn, would mean we'll have two wolves dead after toDay. (An addition: we also have two seers who both know whether they are true or false.) I kind of like all that. ;) On the down side, though, even after Rikae we still have two wolves (Hades and Hephaestus) to find.

[A Little Green]

Now I might be way off with this, but I'm getting worse vibes from Mac again. Partly because he's being overly nice to me (makes me think he's trying to mess with my head because I suspect him - he would know that it's always harder to suspect someone who is quite convinced you are innocent). Partly because of the Hades thing that was discussed quite much on Day 2. And partly because I got the impression, when reading over yesterDay with the knowledge that Rikae is a wolf, that her sudden suspicion of him (after defending him for the first couple of Days) seemed wolf-on-wolf-ish. (I'll try to bring up actual quotes soon, I have a horribly busy day but I'll try anyway.)

Moving on to another thing that caught my eye yesterDay:
Points out his own failings. phantom doesn't make mistakes. Who can PM during the Day?Erm.. what? I fear I don't quite get this. Like, are you implying that because phantom doesn't usually admit to making mistakes it must mean he was PMing with somebody who told him he made a mistake, and he then proceeded to post an admission of it? But if that's your reasoning, you basically voted for someone who was innocent by your own logic (the only ones who could PM during Day 1 are the Shirriffs). I hope I misunderstood something.

[Nerwen]

Also, concerning Poseinog's death.
Originally Posted by Glirdan on the Admin thread
Poseidon- God of the Sea – Poseidon is this games Unicorn. When Poseidon dies I will put the names of all of the dead in a hat, including the Unicorn’s name. If the name I pick out is of an innocent (or Cobbler) that person will come back to life ALONG WITH Poseidon. If a Wolf or the False Seer is chosen, no one comes back.
Unless I have misunderstood something, the fact that he didn't come back must mean that Glirdan picked either a wolf or a false seer to be brought back with him - and since we had not killed a wolf yet, it must logically follow that Boro was picked and was the false seer.
You must be right– unless "Cobbler" means one of the shifting-alignment roles. Or is it just left over from an earlier version of the rules? But the odds are against tum having picked the Unicorn correctly by chance, anyway.

–And there goes my theory that Nog was trying to get lynched on purpose, so as to die before he could bring a wolf back (didn't read the Unicorn role-description properly).

EDIT:X'd with Greenie.

[A Little Green]

You must be right– unless "Cobbler" means one of the shifting-alignment roles. Or is it just left over from an earlier version of the rules? But the odds are against tum having picked the Unicorn correctly by chance, anyway.

–And there goes my theory that Nog was trying to get lynched on purpose, so as to die before he could bring a wolf back (didn't read the Unicorn role-description properly).I believe the Cobbler there is just a leftover. I definitely hope so. ;) And I agree about tum. Yay for Gifted doing their job! As for Nog - I considered that as well before I took a second look at the role definitions. I wonder - could he have wanted to die rather sooner than later for some other reason? He did seem rather suicidal at times. Like, maybe thought he could do the dying when there are bigger chances for him to bring back an innocent and himself (ie. before we have lynched wolves that would make it more probable for no one to come back)? Don't know if that makes sense though.

[Nerwen]

I wonder - could he have wanted to die rather sooner than later for some other reason? He did seem rather suicidal at times. Like, maybe thought he could do the dying when there are bigger chances for him to bring back an innocent and himself (ie. before we have lynched wolves that would make it more probable for no one to come back)? Don't know if that makes sense though.
I suppose he might have been hoping to bring Boro back– though I'd have wanted some indication first that Boro was in fact the true Seer, if it had been me.

Anyway, somebody had better go through Wilwa's posts.

[A Little Green]

I suppose he might have been hoping to bring Boro back– though I'd have wanted some indication first that Boro was in fact the true Seer, if it had been me.Might be - though it would be rather odd to want to get lynched solely because of that (given that the one who comes/doesn't come back is picked randomly). Though actually it could make sense - the earlier he gets himself killed, the bigger the chance of getting Boro back with him (or proven to be false). Or maybe he was just generally aiming at being killed at some point, because obviously the Unicorn is just a random ordo until they die.

Anyway, somebody had better go through Wilwa's posts.I definitely agree! I don't think I have the time to do that, I'll have to vote and be off in less than two hours and have a million other things to do meanwhile..

[A Little Green]

So, a list of sorts. Facts first. Looks like autume is a true seer and Rikae is a wolf. That leaves two wolves in the following eleven:

Kath
Mira
Zil
Nienna
Nerwen
Folwren
Lalaith
Shasta
Mac
Phantom
Sally

I'm disinclined to think are wolves:
Nerwen - Usually I can never read her, but this time I'm fairly convinced she's not a wolf.
Folwren - Her posts seem very genuine. Fairly convinced she's not a wolf.
Phantom - Either innocent or a mastermind. I'm rather more inclined to think the former.

I'm confused about (okay, I'm confused about everyone, but these most of all):
Kath - Where is she, anyway? Can't form an opinion on this little evidence, but if I had to guess I'd say innocent.
Mira - Posts little, and when she does it's something that makes my head ache. ;) I'd really like an answer from her to the question I asked earlier toDay. Other than that - she just confuses me, plain and simple. I would call her a cobbler if there was one.
Zil - Still can't get a read on that guy. Worrying.
Nienna - No idea.
Lalaith - She feels innocent, she is consistent, she is sharp and nice, and yet I can't shake off the thought that she is a wolf mastermind messing with my head.
Shasta - No idea. I've been wanting to look through his posts for a while now, I have a feeling there might be something interesting there.. The bad news? I still don't have time for that.
Sally - I get both innocent and wolf vibes from her. (Read: I have no idea.)

My best bet for a wolf (unfortunately only one):
Mac - Like I said in my previous post. I'll try to look for those Rikae quotes.

[A Little Green]

Are you guys kidding me? This is pretty much the most quiet early Day ever. My fellow Europeans, where are you? Well, at least I had Nerwen.

Anyway, I have to go now. I won't be back toDay, and like I said in the admin thread I'll miss all of toMorrow. While I'm away, will you catch us some more wolves? Please? I wouldn't mind if you tried Mac toMorrow. As for toDay, I think it's pretty obvious:

++ Rikae


See you the Day after toMorrow, provided that a) I'm still alive, and b) that the game is still on! With the best possible luck, the village could have won by then. (It would take a successful lynch toMorrow and Zeus choosing to revenge-kill and picking a wolf, but it's possible.)

[Folwren]

It has been quiet today. Considering what happened last night, I figured more people would be eager to post something. I got out of bed particularly early just to see what was going on. :rolleyes:

How are we certain that Nerwen isn't a wolf? She was really at Nogrod's throat yesterday. But, then, a wolf probably would not make such a fuss against anybody because of the suspicion possibly placed on them later. A clever wolf might, and might be able to get away with it.

I wish Greenie were not gone. I'd like to know why she suspects Mac. He said this in post 620:

I'm getting uneasy about Wilwa, but I can't put my finger on why. I need to take a closer look at what she said when I get to it. Same with Inzil. And Nienna.

He expressed his concern again, later in thread, in post 632, when he lists out all the players to say who he suspects and the ones he suspects most are Wilwa and Inzil.

I'm going back to bed.

-- Foley

[Nerwen]

Wilwa, Day One.

#22. (http://www.forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=634797&postcount=22) Banter. Comments on Boro's post (#19) (http://www.forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=634787&postcount=19), discusses game mechanics with regard to the Lovers. Is unsure why Boro has singled Zeus out.

Comment: May be trying to persuade the remaining Lovers that it's in their interests to turn cobbler. As Boro's post contained obvious Seer-hints, it may also be Wolfwa had noticed this and was hoping to draw him out as to who he had dreamed.


#26. (http://www.forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=634801&postcount=26) Thinks that Boro's "allied with almighty Zeus" line referred to phantom as Hera.


#35. (http://www.forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=634812&postcount=35) Accepts Rikae's suggestion that the phrase simply referred to the village.


#38. (http://www.forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=634815&postcount=38) Will check out roles.


#46. (http://www.forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=634825&postcount=46) Lists roles.

#50. (http://www.forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=634829&postcount=50) Explains Sally's statement (#44) (http://www.forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=634822&postcount=44) that there are "essentially ordo" roles in the game.
Unicorn is like an Ord, something only happens with their death. Persephone and Aphrodite are like Ordos until they've been found (and will remain so if their matches die before finding them). Mytho could become an Ordo if they choose certain people. The Cursed is like an Ordo until (if) they get chosen by the Wolves.
Comment: Possibly a subtle attempt to influence the Cursed and Lovers?


#63. (http://www.forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=634849&postcount=63) Talks about the Lovers' alignment; ponders the meaning of the "cobbler" reference in the Unicorn role-description.


#65. (http://www.forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=634851&postcount=65) More about the Lovers.


#70. (http://www.forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=634857&postcount=70) Answers a question by Nog about the rules.


#178. (http://www.forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=634987&postcount=178) Doesn't want to discuss False Seer; says Lover-talk has taken up too much of the Day. Says Boro's and my own "hints" wereprobably just banter. Doesn't want to lynch Eonwe.But if he's the Cursed we shouldn't be killing him. Well, there is another option for what he could be doing (to help the village). But if I'm right than me saying it could kind of ruin it, so I'll stay quite for now.
Considers whom she'll vote– BG for lack of participation, or Mac for claiming Boro's "Zeus" remark was a Lover-hint, as this "makes no sense".

Comments: Had Wolfwa bought the theory that Eonwe was the Cursed? If so, it seems her packmates talked her out of it.


#182. (http://www.forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=634991&postcount=182) Says that the narration would have to reveal the Cursed's role, just not whether he's been turned.


#187. (http://www.forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=634997&postcount=187) Might vote for Blind Guardian; will not vote for Boro or me, nor for Eonwe since he might be doing something "awesomely helpful". Will probably not vote Mac, as he makes her at most "uneasy".


#196. (http://www.forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=635006&postcount=196) Doesn't know who to vote.


#201. (http://www.forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=635011&postcount=201) Votes for Blind Guardian.


General Comments: No names, no pack drill. The only living players she mentions at all are me and Mac. She suspects the latter, but in a non-committal way. I'd not like to guess, at this point, if it was wolf-on-wolf or not.

EDIT:X'd with Foley.

[Nerwen]

How are we certain that Nerwen isn't a wolf? She was really at Nogrod's throat yesterday.
Yeah, because he was acting very suspiciously. I wasn't the only one to think so.

I wish Greenie were not gone. I'd like to know why she suspects Mac. He said this in post 620:
I'm getting uneasy about Wilwa, but I can't put my finger on why. I need to take a closer look at what she said when I get to it. Same with Inzil. And Nienna.
He expressed his concern again, later in thread, in post 632, when he lists out all the players to say who he suspects and the ones he suspects most are Wilwa and Inzil.
That doesn't really prove anything, and besides, she's already said why she suspects Mac: Now I might be way off with this, but I'm getting worse vibes from Mac again. Partly because he's being overly nice to me (makes me think he's trying to mess with my head because I suspect him - he would know that it's always harder to suspect someone who is quite convinced you are innocent). Partly because of the Hades thing that was discussed quite much on Day 2. And partly because I got the impression, when reading over yesterDay with the knowledge that Rikae is a wolf, that her sudden suspicion of him (after defending him for the first couple of Days) seemed wolf-on-wolf-ish.

[satansaloser2005]

Okay, so let's recap yesterDay Evening.

Sally suggests that Hestia comes out and we test one of his/her dreams (with a more specific suggestion being the lynching of Nog). No one likes Sally's plan. :(

Apollo (Tum) is forced to come out at the end of the Day to save herself.

Nog is lynched to save Tum (and in a way to test her legitimacy).

Nog's role matches the role Tum was shown.

Tum is proven to be our true seer, and is now in danger because she had to come out.


Notice the bit where we followed my plan, except pretty much backward? Yeah, I'm just sayin'.

Also, I want to know why Nog had such a problem being lynched if he was the Unicorn. This was the best point for him to get lynched; the odds of him bringing someone back were the highest they possibly could be. (I know, he didn't get to come back, but I mean to say that any point after this his chances would have gone down.) Add that to his inability to participate *squishes* and I don't see the issue. Meh.

Oh, did I mention? MY PLAN WAS FLIPPING BRILLIANT AND WOULD HAVE SAVED OUR SEER! *chills* I'm. Just. Sayin'. *snuggles Tum tightly, hopes the rangers love her enough to protect her properly and LISTEN TO ME for a change* Okay, I'm done here.

I have to go to church in a bit, and then I'll be with Phantom and Tum all day, but I'll see what I can do about looking into people a bit more. I've been really bad at concentration this game, hence more commentary and plotting than analyses.

[Lalaith]

Morning all. Firstly I'd like to give kudos to our Eros/Artemis duo, a successful save and a wolf-kill, a very impressive record indeed.
Secondly, I am out at a wedding and won't be around much at all

Luckily there's very little debate about who to vote for which is handy.
++Rikae

Just in case I don't get back on toDay.

Also, I don't have time to analyse wilwa today, I'm glad Nerwen is but perhaps someone else can do it too - no offence Nerwen but its good to get two perspectives when we don't know who to trust. That might give us some ideas for toMorrow.
Also, Tum will have had another dream so more may be revealed later today I expect.
One thing I did have time to do yesterday is try to make sense of Day 3 voting.
Nog --> Lottie
Greenie --> Nog
Lal --> Lottie
Zil --> Tum
Wilwa --> Tum
Mira --> Phantom
Mac --> Lottie (3)
Rikae --> Tum
Nienna --> Tum (4)
Tum --> Rikae
Sally --> Nog (2)
Lottie --> Nog (3)
Phantom --> Nog (4)
Folwren ---> Lottie (4)
Nerwen ----> Nog (5)
__________________
Non-voters - Shasta and Kath

I think that's right, but please feel free to check my tally to make sure it's correct.

[satansaloser2005]

Aso, Tum, did you catch us a wolf last Night? *is hopeful*


Really going now. Back later.

[Nerwen]

Wilwa, Day Two.

408. (http://www.forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=635325&postcount=408) We shouldn't take too much notice of what Boro-Hermes said, as he might be false. "Speculates" on why he was killed. (Wolves enjoy doing that, sometimes.) Doesn't get the "Hades-hints" that some players saw in Mac's posts. Doesn't like reasoning in Steve's self-defence; favours lynching him. Says the "Cobbler" reference in the Hestia role-description is just a mistake by Glirdy. Now agrees with Nog that my "Hades" comment could have been a hint.


#436. (http://www.forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=635359&postcount=436) Suspicion-list. Lalaith, Kath, Rikae and I look good. Tum, Nienna, Zil, Lottie, Mira and Shasta are under her radar. Is "confused" about Sally, phantom, Folwren, Greenie, Nog and Eonwe. Might vote for the last-named.

Comment: Generally, wolves distribute their fellows amongst the categories; this is a minor argument against Lalaith and Kath being wolves.


#439. (http://www.forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=635362&postcount=439) Left Mac off list; corrects this and says he should be in her "okay" category, because she doesn't thinking he was hinting. Tells tum BG's "good looks" remark is probably a hint.

#445. (http://www.forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=635369&postcount=445) Tells the phantom that, contrary to his belief (#443) (http://www.forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=635366&postcount=443) she did not say he was "touchy". Tells tum again about the Aphrodite hint.


#456. (http://www.forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=635386&postcount=456) Votes Eonwe.

General Comments:Still not that much to go on; link to Mac possible, though. So far, Wilwa seems to have been careful to leave a small trail. I wonder what tipped Lottie off?

EDIT:X'd with Sally, Lal and Sally again; added comment.

[Inziladun]

The wolves have killed Lottie, bye bye, Artemis (Hunter), rest in peace with the knowledge that you have slain the mighty Hera. That means, bye bye to you too Wilwa, serves you right....witch!

Let day Commence!

Edit: And checking the Admin thread, this means Zeus, PM a name to Glirdan and choose to either kill, protect, discover person's role, or cast extra vote by Days end.

Well, done, Artemis! You did your task well. I wonder what Zeus will decide to do? Getting a Seer dream would be the most productive, especially since he's now on the side of the village. That is, of course, unless he's bloody sure of another wolf.

Wow. Cheers Lottie! What I'm wondering about right now, though, is why the wolves picked her. She had dropped a rather clear Hunter hint on Day 2:Did the wolves a) miss or forget that, or b) think she was double-bluffing to avoid being Night-killed (or for some other reason), or c) have something rather more complicated in mind?

Lottie does seem like an odd choice. She had garnered a fair amount of suspicion on her own, and could well have been yesterDay lynch. I wonder if she may have said something that made them exceptionally nervous yesterDay.

Also, concerning Poseinog's death.
Unless I have misunderstood something, the fact that he didn't come back must mean that Glirdan picked either a wolf or a false seer to be brought back with him - and since we had not killed a wolf yet, it must logically follow that Boro was picked and was the false seer. Which, in turn, would make autume the real seer, which, in turn, would confirm Rikae as a wolf, which, in turn, would mean we'll have two wolves dead after toDay. (An addition: we also have two seers who both know whether they are true or false.) I kind of like all that. ;) On the down side, though, even after Rikae we still have two wolves (Hades and Hephaestus) to find.

I don't think there's any question Tum is one of the real Seers. Nog's death proved it for me. And the fact that she's the real one ought to be a good clue to Hestia: DON't leave us any clues about your dreams if you picked Boro.
And two wolves are not good, but they're better than four, at least.

Now I might be way off with this, but I'm getting worse vibes from Mac again. Partly because he's being overly nice to me (makes me think he's trying to mess with my head because I suspect him - he would know that it's always harder to suspect someone who is quite convinced you are innocent). Partly because of the Hades thing that was discussed quite much on Day 2. And partly because I got the impression, when reading over yesterDay with the knowledge that Rikae is a wolf, that her sudden suspicion of him (after defending him for the first couple of Days) seemed wolf-on-wolf-ish. (I'll try to bring up actual quotes soon, I have a horribly busy day but I'll try anyway.)

It's certainly possible. Rikae is both nervy and experienced enough to do some convincing wolf-on-wolf. I don't know about Mac though. My wariness about him has gradually been diminishing over the last Day or two, but he does need some scrutiny.

I suppose he might have been hoping to bring Boro back– though I'd have wanted some indication first that Boro was in fact the true Seer, if it had been me.

I think Nog was trying to get lynched just so he could bring any innocent back. If any one had come back, they'd have done so as an ordo, wouldn't they? And there was a 2/3 chance he would have been successful and brought back either BG or Steve. Three known innocents running around would have been such a headache for the wolves. ;)

It is very quiet, considering all the drama. I'm waiting for what Tum can tell us toDay about her latest dream. Let's just hope it wasn't Lottie or Wilwa. Also, Tum should have had one more dream in addition to Nog and Rikae, I think.

x/d with all since # 874

[Inziladun]

++Rikae

[Nerwen]

Also, I want to know why Nog had such a problem being lynched if he was the Unicorn. This was the best point for him to get lynched; the odds of him bringing someone back were the highest they possibly could be. (I know, he didn't get to come back, but I mean to say that any point after this his chances would have gone down.) Add that to his inability to participate *squishes* and I don't see the issue. Meh.
Well, Greenie and I both think he was trying to get lynched, and that's why he was acting so weird. I know he kicked and screamed a lot on the way to the gallows, but maybe he thought that was called for.

Oh, did I mention? MY PLAN WAS FLIPPING BRILLIANT AND WOULD HAVE SAVED OUR SEER! *chills* I'm. Just. Sayin'.
All right, yes, you win. Only may I point out that tum would have been forced to reveal regardless of whether we'd agreed to your plan or not?

EDIT:X'd with Zil.

[Inziladun]

He just posted on the Admin thread that he's dropping out. He says he's one the Shirrifs, Hercules. :(

x/d with Nerwen

[Inziladun]

Trying to look at possible links of people with Rikae, I thought this was interesting.

Well, I'd say that was a nice scene I just wrote, and...
people, people, people. Can't say I was wild over the original candidates, but this last minute scrambling isn't likely to do much good either... :( I mean, Nienna? Why her? You'd do as well to lynch me, and I already have a vote.

She's a wolf. Why would she care about Nienna's death, unless the latter is a packmate? It couldn't mean Nienna is her lover, either, since Tum has already told us Rikae is Ares.

Rikae - 2.5 hours of analysis later.

29 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=634805&postcount=29) – Mostly banter, doesn’t think much of Boro’s Zeus comment
32 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=634808&postcount=32) – Jokes at being a wolf
69 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=634856&postcount=69) – First post of content, explains to Foley that we don’t always need to be serious to be useful, mentions how another role will be revealed when Poseidon comes back
76 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=634864&postcount=76) – explanation and call for Mod-god interference about lovers and their goals
80 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=634868&postcount=80) – She mentions that the false seer can lead the village astray with false information and that that is worse than baddies being able to narrow down their potential-seer list
82 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=634870&postcount=82) – Mentions lovers or anyone trying to save wolves can happen especially in a game like this. Also reiterates how moot the point about Romeo-Juliet lovers is concerning what happens when a partner dies
83 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=634871&postcount=83) – Both seers are probably leaving trails
88 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=634877&postcount=88) – Admits that she may misread seer/false seer hints
90 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=634880&postcount=90) – Nerwen’s “Hades” comment could be leaving hints at Persephone but could just as easily be something else
100 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=634897&postcount=100) – Converses with Phantom about his lovers talk, mentions how his way can create a suspect where there may actually be no grounds as people’s playing styles vary so much
104 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=634902&postcount=104) – Mentions how there isn’t generally any reason for the false seer to keep quiet though maybe there is in some circumstances
108 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=634906&postcount=108) – Thinks Nog’s idea about Seers revealing is interesting but that if there is a false reveal it may tie up a ranger
111 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=634911&postcount=111) – Says it’s up to individuals to play as they want to. The wolves also get the same information that the village gets and there is no reason to suppose they will miss seer-hints
121 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=634923&postcount=121) – Didn’t think that Nerwen was trying to get Persephone to pick her and that maybe Mac was trying to confuse Persephone into picking her
128 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=634931&postcount=128) – Mentions that joking banter may contain hints too Interesting with her own joking banter which could be wolvish – see later as well
133 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=634938&postcount=133) – Mentions that Steve joking about Dionysus could just be him having too much to drink
137 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=634942&postcount=137) – Is most suspicious of those seeing hints everywhere than those supposedly leaving hints
142 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=634947&postcount=142) – Didn’t know Steve’s age and thinks we can just lynch the cursed after they are turned
145 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=634950&postcount=145) – If Steve is the cursed then he helped the village without knowing it because the wolves wouldn’t pick him now anyway
158 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=634965&postcount=158) – On Boro’s Zeus-hints: Phantom started it, and Lal kept it going – wonders about Phantom’s intentions in that were
179 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=634988&postcount=179) – “allied to Zeus” could mean wolf’s lover but she doesn’t think that’s what Boro meant
194 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=635004&postcount=194) – Doesn’t think that Mac is a lover just because he was suspicious of Boro being a lover
198 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=635008&postcount=198) – Thinks because the narration will say when the cursed is turned there is no reason to lynch Steve now. Doesn’t want to vote BG because she hasn’t really shown she’s a wolf but she may vote for her because of not participating. Other suspects include Nerwen (though she thinks her suspicion might be based on IC banter and nothing else), Phantom but he hasn’t explained himself and it would be a throwaway, and Wilwa for trying to stir up suspicion about Boro but still keeping her hands clean (also thinks that would be a throwaway)
213 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=635027&postcount=213) – Admits it must be frustrating for BG but says she has to participate more or why bother. Won’t vote BG (too harsh) or Steve (hasn’t had time to explain himself). Votes Phantom because it should happen more on Day Ones. This doesn’t actually bother me at all… she suspected Phantom a little bit and it seems like as reasonable for a Day One vote as any other
223 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=635037&postcount=223) – Says she always defends Mac even when they aren’t on the same side

Day 2

334 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=635226&postcount=334) – Thinks Boro must have coupled his Seer-hints with correct suspicion (accidental or not) as he was killed. Boro also could have coupled Seer and Hunter hints so maybe he didn’t point to a baddie at all and the wolves called his bluff… or he could be the false seer
336 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=635228&postcount=336) – Mentions it’s weird that Nerwen argued her and Mac weren’t wolf-on-wolf when that’s not even what Nog said
345 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=635244&postcount=345) – Torn about Mac’s wording about “frustrating to be alone”… chalks it up to second language
350 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=635250&postcount=350) – Says she knows what Phantom is up to and is more concerned about Nerwen. Doesn’t like people picking on her “sweetie” so much, calls him sweetie again in an edit to the post interesting use of pet names which as I’ve mentioned I don’t believe I’ve seen before…maybe her being playful, maybe not
352 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=635252&postcount=352) – Now wondering where all the Steve-is-not-the-cursed stuff is coming from, leaning toward Phantom being Zeus and that being what Boro dreamed
354 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=635254&postcount=354) – Still thinks Phantom is Zeus but not that he should be lynched, it’s debatable anyway
378 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=635287&postcount=378) – After re-reading Mac’s “frustrating” comment she is pretty sure it is because of English being his second language
412 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=635331&postcount=412) – Explains that Nerwen was probably talking about Hades the place not the person
467 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=635403&postcount=467) – Wants to look at the Inzil/Tum stuff and Tum’s voting of BG after finding her innocent
474 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=635412&postcount=474) – Doesn’t buy Tum being a wolf, doesn’t buy Mac being a wolf, doesn’t buy Steve being a wolf. Votes herself saying that she is the “wolviest wolf that ever howled at the moon” This is the second time she joked at being a wolf and on Day Two when voting matters a little more
485 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=635426&postcount=485) – More fake (?) lover banter with Mac
526 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=635469&postcount=526) – Doesn’t like the last minute scrambling for a random lynch candidate
529 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=635472&postcount=529) – Thinks Mac is behind the lynch-someone-not-Steve business so now she wonders if maybe it would be wise to lynch him

Day 3

593 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=635614&postcount=593) – Has some problems with Lottie’s Tum-analysis, doesn’t think Sally’s Hestia plan is best, she doesn’t approve of bandwagons
602 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=635627&postcount=602) – Doesn’t want to get lynched with chat-speak
608 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=635633&postcount=608) – Sadly doesn’t have any assassination power

Conclusions: Generally she has been very helpful and even reprimanding to the village where it is needed. She's been logical and consistent. The only thing that worries me a tiny bit is her joking about being a wolf. I don’t think she is a wolf but it is interesting. She is also very flippant about her own lynching which leads me to think that maybe she doesn’t have one of the more important roles... maybe a lover (with all the lover banter) which could mean she can have assassination powers later.

I find it notable that at the end she writes a glowing summary of how good Rikae is, but leaves that very small bit of doubt based around Rikae's joking declarations of lupinity. Did anyone who's innocent really take Rikae seriously there? She says things like that all the time! It seems a strange thing for someone to choose as a reason to be wary of Rikae. More like a packmate saying "Hmm. I don't need to be totally in favour of Rikae, so I'd better put an inconsequential reason as to why I don't completely trust her". And the bit about Rikae possibly being a lover? Could that have been intended to dissuade the Seer from dreaming her? "Doesn't have one of the more important roles"?

[satansaloser2005]

Well, Greenie and I both think he was trying to get lynched, and that's why he was acting so weird. I know he kicked and screamed a lot on the way to the gallows, but maybe he thought that was called for.

You have a point. It would make a lot more sense, and definitely explain why he was being so....yeah, not Nog. Makes sense to me.


All right, yes, you win. Only may I point out that tum would have been forced to reveal regardless of whether we'd agreed to your plan or not?

Flippin' right I do. :p

Erm, how so? If Hestia came out yesterDay we'd likely have concentrated on what he/she said rather than this Tum wagon. (And might I say, I understand her weirdness now. First time gifteds can be uber-twitchy.) Then again, I can't predict what people would have done, but I think we'd still have not had such a wagon against her yesterDay if she hadn't been a huge topic of discussion. *shrugs*

[Rikae]

Oh, did I mention? MY PLAN WAS FLIPPING BRILLIANT AND WOULD HAVE SAVED OUR SEER! *chills* I'm. Just. Sayin'. *snuggles Tum tightly, hopes the rangers love her enough to protect her properly and LISTEN TO ME for a change* Okay, I'm done here.


Oh yeah, because the seer is in so much danger with two rangers about.
:rolleyes:

Just wanted to apologize, people. Everything that's gone wrong has been my fault, from picking the wrong kills to getting myself dreamed of. I really have no idea why people consider me such a formidable player; I'm just an idiot.

[Nerwen]

Erm, how so? If Hestia came out yesterDay we'd likely have concentrated on what he/she said rather than this Tum wagon. (And might I say, I understand her weirdness now. First time gifteds can be uber-twitchy.) Then again, I can't predict what people would have done, but I think we'd still have not had such a wagon against her yesterDay if she hadn't been a huge topic of discussion.
Well, maybe not– but we did still have to lynch somebody, didn't we?

EDIT:X'd with Rikwolf.

[satansaloser2005]

Oh yeah, because the seer is in so much danger with two rangers about.
:rolleyes:

Just wanted to apologize, people. Everything that's gone wrong has been my fault, from picking the wrong kills to getting myself dreamed of. I really have no idea why people consider me such a formidable player; I'm just an idiot.

Shut it, fuzzy wuzzy. Go wage war on another village.


Well, maybe not– but we did still have to lynch somebody, didn't we?

True, but it might not have been Tum. Really, I just think it's hilarious that we followed my plan except not the way I said and it ended rather poorly. (Then again, Nog would have still been dead and you're right to say that Tum may have still had to come out, but I'd rather have had Hestia out and about than Tum being forced to reveal.)

Oh, and I really felt like being a brat this morning. :p

[Nerwen]

Really, I just think it's hilarious that we followed my plan except not the way I said and it ended rather poorly.
Okay, but it hasn't really ended poorly.

From the Wolf's mouth:
Oh yeah, because the seer is in so much danger with two rangers about.
:rolleyes:

[satansaloser2005]

I said rather poorly, not rocks fall everybody dies poorly.

Did we miss the part where I'm being a brat? :smokin:

[Nienna]

Ok so of course all the interesting stuff happened right after I went to bed yesterDay ;). Anyway... I'm glad we are going to be two wolves down after toDay and know another role with Tum's dreams... or at least wolf v. non-wolf as if I was Tum I'd be hesitant to give out actual roles unless it is necessary for us to know.

Alive:
Kath
Mira
Zil
Nienna
Nerwen
Folwren
Tum - Seer
Lalaith
Greenie
Rikae - Wolf
Shasta
Phantom
Sally

Roles left:
Zeus
Hestia - Seer (real or false)
Hades – wolf-lover
Persephone – lover of Hades
Demeter
Hebe - other sheriff
Apollo - Tum
Ares – Rikae
Hephaestus – wolf
Pan - Ranger
Dionysus - cursed
Eros - Ranger-like
Athena - goddess of Wisdom

So there are two wolves left... and one innocent (Persephone) who wants the wolves to win (but only with Hades as the remaining wolf) so that she can win too. Basically there are those 3/12 (unless the cursed is playing cobbler-like) (or 4/13 if we count Rikae) that don't really have the village's best interest at heart.

Edit: x-ed with lots

[Nerwen]

He just posted on the Admin thread that he's dropping out. He says he's one the Shirrifs, Hercules. :(
Well, there goes that theory. So Wilwa's Day One and Two posts have pointed exactly nowhere.

I find it notable that at the end she writes a glowing summary of how good Rikae is, but leaves that very small bit of doubt based around Rikae's joking declarations of lupinity. Did anyone who's innocent really take Rikae seriously there? She says things like that all the time! It seems a strange thing for someone to choose as a reason to be wary of Rikae. More like a packmate saying "Hmm. I don't need to be totally in favour of Rikae, so I'd better put an inconsequential reason as to why I don't completely trust her". And the bit about Rikae possibly being a lover? Could that have been intended to dissuade the Seer from dreaming her? "Doesn't have one of the more important roles"?
Hmmn. Interesting.

EDIT:X'd with Nienna and Sally.

[Nienna]

Trying to look at possible links of people with Rikae, I thought this was interesting.



She's a wolf. Why would she care about Nienna's death, unless the latter is a packmate? It couldn't mean Nienna is her lover, either, since Tum has already told us Rikae is Ares.



I find it notable that at the end she writes a glowing summary of how good Rikae is, but leaves that very small bit of doubt based around Rikae's joking declarations of lupinity. Did anyone who's innocent really take Rikae seriously there? She says things like that all the time! It seems a strange thing for someone to choose as a reason to be wary of Rikae. More like a packmate saying "Hmm. I don't need to be totally in favour of Rikae, so I'd better put an inconsequential reason as to why I don't completely trust her". And the bit about Rikae possibly being a lover? Could that have been intended to dissuade the Seer from dreaming her? "Doesn't have one of the more important roles"?

Now you're grasping at straws. I picked out the stuff I thought could mean that Rikae is a wolf though I didn't think it likely (I know now that I was wrong :o) ... if you'll note in the analysis I did of you as well I picked out the weird things you said that could point to your wolf-dom as well.

[the phantom]

I probably won't be around much today. Church right now, then leaving for Lincoln. I'll try to read up and post briefly at noon, and again sometime in the evening.

[Nerwen]

I said rather poorly, not rocks fall everybody dies poorly.

That would be more like the last game. Or rather, "rocks fall, mod disappears".

EDIT:X'd with phantom and Nienna.

[Boromir88]

As interim Mod until Glirdan returns, I've been told to deliver yet another message. Zeus has decided to strike down...Tum. The seer, Apollo has immediately been kicked off from Mount Olympus. Tum, you're dead, no more posting for you.

Carry on you rabble rousers.

[satansaloser2005]

I probably won't be around much today. Church right now, then leaving for Lincoln. I'll try to read up and post briefly at noon, and again sometime in the evening.

What he said. (Just repeating for kicks and giggles.)

That would be more like the last game. Or rather, "rocks fall, mod disappears".

Darn it. I can't rep you again. *grumbles*


EDIT: x'd with the messenger. Oh bother.

[Inziladun]

As interim Mod until Glirdan returns, I've been told to deliver yet another message. Zeus has decided to strike down...Tum. The seer, Apollo has immediately been kicked off from Mount Olympus. Tum, you're dead, no more posting for you.

Carry on you rabble rousers.

Now why did you do that, Zeus? You can't win with the wolves! See? Lovers are never to be trusted. :mad:

[Nerwen]

As interim Mod until Glirdan returns, I've been told to deliver yet another message. Zeus has decided to strike down...Tum. The seer, Apollo has immediately been kicked off from Mount Olympus. Tum, you're dead, no more posting for you.

Carry on you rabble rousers.
What?

I thought we nutted this out on Day One: Zeus is supposed to be on the side of the village now!

EDIT: X'd with Zil and Sally.

[Nienna]

Zeus!! :mad: We aren't friends.

[Nerwen]

...I mean, I think there's technically nothing in the rules to stop him doing this– but why? Was Wilwa that charming?

EDIT: got roles confused.

[Inziladun]

...I mean, I think there's technically nothing in the rules to stop him doing this– but why? Was Rikae that charming?

No, he's allowed to kill anyone he wants, but I can't see why he'd want to. His lover is dead, and his only chance of winning lies with the village. A chance, by the way, that he has now seriously reduced.

[Inziladun]

All right, Hestia. If you happened to pick Tum instead of Boro, now's your moment to shine.

[Inziladun]

Now you're grasping at straws. I picked out the stuff I thought could mean that Rikae is a wolf though I didn't think it likely (I know now that I was wrong :o) ... if you'll note in the analysis I did of you as well I picked out the weird things you said that could point to your wolf-dom as well.

I may be wrong, but I don't think I'm "grasping at straws". It just seems like an odd thing to single out as your reason for having some misgivings about Rikae, when you'd been so otherwise positive about her.

[Nerwen]

Anyway, I was going to look at Wilwa on Day Three.

Oh, and–

++Rikae.

[Nienna]

I may be wrong, but I don't think I'm "grasping at straws". It just seems like an odd thing to single out as your reason for having some misgivings about Rikae, when you'd been so otherwise positive about her.

You're allowed your opinion and I'm glad you are looking at other people today instead of just wasting the day because we have a wolf. I'm just letting you know that I pointed those things out because they stuck out to me and I wanted others to see what I saw.

[Rikae]

Shut it, fuzzy wuzzy. Go wage war on another village.


Shut it yourself. I had no intention of posting toDay, but thought I should apologize to my mates. I may be a wolf, but that doesn't mean you need to kick me when I'm obviously depressed, Sally.

[Folwren]

Interesting way to make the game...interesting, Zues. Good gravy, this is insanity itself.

And Mac, a ranger, has dropped out, too? We're in dire straights, folks.

I've got to go for a bit, we're about to read the Bible.

-- Foley

x-posted with Rikae.

[Nienna]

Interesting way to make the game...interesting, Zues. Good gravy, this is insanity itself.

And Mac, a ranger, has dropped out, too? We're in dire straights, folks.

I've got to go for a bit, we're about to read the Bible.

-- Foley

x-posted with Rikae.

He was capable of a ranger power at some point but we do still have two active rangers. We may also still have a true seer. We need not despair but we do need to be cautious.

[satansaloser2005]

Shut it yourself. I had no intention of posting toDay, but thought I should apologize to my mates. I may be a wolf, but that doesn't mean you need to kick me when I'm obviously depressed, Sally.

Oh. Erm, sorry? I just assumed you were going to cause trouble as usual and decided I'd cut you off before you got started.

Why does no one love me this game? :(

And Mac, a ranger, has dropped out, too? We're in dire straights, folks.

Mac wasn't a ranger in the typical sense; we still have two of those.



Hestia, whatever you do, stay the heck hidden (unless you've found wolves, of course). Much as I really do hate to depend on seers' dreams I don't want you dead.



Here's a wacky idea that's zany. Maybe Zeus didn't want us to have a ranger (read, seer, because I'm an idiot and got distracted as I was typing) so we'd do the work ourselves. In that case, who would do that? Phantom?

[Folwren]

Oh, sorry...I see now. He was Sherrif, not ranger.

Here's a wacky idea that's zany. Maybe Zeus didn't want us to have a ranger so we'd do the work ourselves. In that case, who would do that? Phantom?

I assume you mean Seer, not Ranger. That's an interesting idea, and I guess one that would make some sense...kinda. Poor Tum, though, now matter how she played it she was shot.

Phantom did say, "You just lost the game." I'll see if I can go find that quote.

[Folwren]

Never mind. He was talking to Sally, and it was a joke. Forget it.

[satansaloser2005]

Oh, sorry...I see now. He was Sherrif, not ranger.



I assume you mean Seer, not Ranger. That's an interesting idea, and I guess one that would make some sense...kinda. Poor Tum, though, now matter how she played it she was shot.

Phantom did say, "You just lost the game." I'll see if I can go find that quote.

Bugger. Yeah, I did mean seer. I'll fix it (or rather add it into my post that I'd made a mistake).


Phantom, look what you did!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Foley, he was making a reference to something completely silly. I doubt it meant anything.


EDIT: x'd with Foley

[Nerwen]

Wilwa, Day Three

#581. (http://www.forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=635599&postcount=581) No way to know yet if Hestia is False or not. Explains Day Two vote. Very puzzled as to why Nienna was proposed as the alternative lynchee to Eonwe:
Was her name just randomly chosen? Are we just going to lynch random people now without any real suspicion? Later today I'm taking a closer look at that, because the whole thing just makes me uneasy. Eonwe made at least a bit of sense, even if he maybe didn't look *that* suspicious, he had been discussed to be a possible Cursed and if anything it would have stopped us from just considering him again toDay and wasting time. It was ideal, but it made more sense than Nienna.
Finds Lottie's analysis of tum (#564) (http://www.forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=635580&postcount=564) unreadable. Agrees with my points about "Nogrod's fork".

Comments: Nienna again... However, a wolf can be honestly curious, too, and it seems Nienna was indeed picked at random.


#617. (http://www.forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=635643&postcount=617) Doesn't like Sally's plan. Is against reveals in general:
In a game like this where there are already a bunch of people who know other's identities (Seer, Lovers, Shirriffs, Hunter-Hunter/Guardian, those Protectors, Hestia knows the Seer, and possible extra dreams if a Lover dies), if we start getting a bunch of reveals than that's just too much role knowledge going on, and it could start unbalancing the game.
Tum is weird, but so is Lottie. Doesn't like Nog, but doesn't want to lynch him if he won't be around.

Comments: That bit about reveals unbalancing the game may have been what alerted Lottie.


#628. (http://www.forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=635656&postcount=628) Suspicion list. Okay with Lalaith, me, Rikae, Mac, Sally and Greenie. Neutral about Kath, Nienna, Inzil, Mira, phantom and Folwren. Suspicious of tum, Lottie, Shasta and Nog.


#631. (http://www.forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=635659&postcount=631) Agrees with Greenie (#630) (http://www.forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=635658&postcount=630) that tum looks bad, but might be a misguided innocent. Agrees with Zil (#627) (http://www.forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=635655&postcount=627) that the boldness of Sally's plan makes her look good.


#691. (http://www.forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=635722&postcount=691) Comments on Nog, tum, and Lottie. Nog's last post makes her feel better about him, Lottie is all right, tum looks worst. Votes tum.

General Comments: Still precious little to say about living players. Somewhat supportive of Nienna and Sally– however, her strong opposition to Sally's plan would tend to indicate they're not on the same side. (Wouldn't want to rely on any of this, though.)

[the phantom]

Just checking in here...

I haven't read much of anything except the opening post, but I would just like to say that I was totally right about Lottie. *pats back*

And, now that I see Nog was the Unicorn I don't feel nearly so bad about lynching him, as in hindsight the point of his role was to die, and thus he was no doubt playing in a different and wreckless manner. So- sorry Nog, but not really sorry. :p

And isn't my optimism to open yesterday being proven correct? Overnight- bang, one WW dead. Soon today- bang, one WW dead. Now just two to find, and we have loads of gifteds to help. We've got this thing, people, just make sure and don't get yourself modfired!

After I get to Lincoln I'll try and get caught up. I'm assuming we're voting Rikae today?

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Here and reading. I'm going to have to vote early and won't be on the rest of the day, so -

++Rikae

Also, what the heck was Zeus thinking!?

[Glirdan]

Everyone scattered throughout Olympus as soon as Zeus entered, terrified that he or she may be the victim of his wrath. Zeus was trembling in fury. His anger could be felt by the mortals below as the ground quaked and shook. Yet there was one brave person on Olympus, the one person who was never terrified of his father's wrath.

Hercules, with Apollo behind him, approached his father in an attempt to persuade him to listen and calm down. Yet nothing would soothe the King of the Gods. His anger could be compared to none ever felt before.

"Dad! Listen to me!" Hercules tried to reason with him. "Artemis was just doing what you wanted! She was trying to stop the Twilight!" Yet Zeus would not hear any of it.

"Get out!! Both of you!" Zeus's voice rumbled through the halls of Olympus for all to hear.

"Not until you have listen to us father!" Apollo piped up from behind Hercules.

Apparently, the time for listening was long gone. Zeus started shooting thunderbolts all over the room. The room began to shake. Cracks started to appear on the columns and in the ceiling. Then Zeus looked directly at Apollo, eyes pure white with shocks literally flying from them, and tossed an electric bolt at Apollo, which hit him square in the chest.

Hercules shouted in anger at his father and rushed at him, checking him into the wall. Zeus hit the wall with such tremendous force, that it reverberated up to the ceiling, where one of the cracks were located. A piece of the roof came tumbling down on to the unsuspecting Hercules, literally turning him into a pancake.

Zeus looked around the Grand Chamber, first at the hulking piece of ceiling that just crushed his illegitimate son, then to the burnt face of his daughter Artemis, to his son Apollo with the hole in his chest that he had caused, to his dead wife, with an arrow protruding from her back, and walked out of the room, a single tear falling from his eye...

Dead
Night 1 - Glirdan aka. Thanatos (Mod) - Scythe through the stomach
Day 1 - BeiGei aka. Aphrodite (Lover) - Suicide of a broken heart
Night 2 - Boro aka. Hermes (Seer) - Wings through the eyes
Day 2 - Eonwe aka. Only True Ordo - Plummeted to an untimely, mortal death
Day 3 - Nog aka. Poseidon (Unicorn) - Fish-fried by the other Gods
Night 4 - Lottie aka. Artemis (Hunter) - Face full of energy blast from Hera
Night 4 - Wilwa aka. Hera (Wolf Lover) - Pierced by Artemis's last shot
Day 5 - Tum aka. Apollo (Seer) - Killed by a bolt of lightning from Zeus
Day 5 - Mac aka. Hercules (Shirrif) - Pancaked by a piece of ceiling

Alive
Kath
Mira
Zil
Nienna
Nerwen
Folwren
Lalaith
Greenie
Rikae
Shasta
Phantom
Sally

[Nienna]

Just so I don't forget:

++ Rikae

There hasn't been much going on except Nerwen going through Wilwa's posts (thank you) and I don't want today to be an entire waste.

I'm going to look at Meeper as she seems to be flying under the radar without much consequence. I may also look at Foley or Lal.

[Nienna]

Mira aka Meeper aka Keeper Mira:

55 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=634835&postcount=55) – Agrees with Phantom about lover loyalties
154 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=634961&postcount=154) – Confused, doesn’t think Boro’s Zeus comment or Nerwen’s Hades comment were slips
202 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=635012&postcount=202) – Not happy about Steve suspicion. Won’t be voting: Boro, Nerwern, Steve, Shasta; will probably vote BG for not posting substance
209 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=635022&postcount=209) – Votes BG
235 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=635053&postcount=235) – Defends her vote

Day 2
362 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=635263&postcount=362) – Boro overestimated her thinking that she could protect him
453 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=635380&postcount=453) – Concerned that Phantom is making so much sense, may not vote, doesn’t like the bandwagons

Day 3
657 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=635686&postcount=657) – Thinks Sally’s idea may be plausible if things get desperate, is going to analyze Phantom
683 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=635714&postcount=683) – Phantom Day One analysis: finds him sketchy - for no realy good reason
713 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=635748&postcount=713)– Votes Phantom so she doesn’t forget to vote again.

Conclusions: She doesn't feel like a wolf. She isn't doing much and what she is doing doesn't seem suspicious. Her going against Phantom, though odd, doesn't seem evil. I don't know what to do with this girl.

Edit: Didn't x-post... Is anyone around??

[satansaloser2005]

I'm here. Do you still like me? :Merisu:

[satansaloser2005]

Also, Nienna, darling, what makes you so sure I'm innocent?

(I'm not complaining, mind, but she's been far too trusting of me and I want to know why, so's I know she's not trying to make me all snuggly and then eat me or something.)

[Nienna]

Also, Nienna, darling, what makes you so sure I'm innocent?

(I'm not complaining, mind, but she's been far too trusting of me and I want to know why, so's I know she's not trying to make me all snuggly and then eat me or something.)

You just don't seem like Wolf-Sally.

Are you a wolf?

[Inziladun]

Here's a wacky idea that's zany. Maybe Zeus didn't want us to have a ranger (read, seer, because I'm an idiot and got distracted as I was typing) so we'd do the work ourselves. In that case, who would do that? Phantom?

I seriously doubt that, because he's made it harder for himself to win as well The only real motive he could have had for that is revenge, twisted though it is.

Since examining the comments and interactions of the known (and all but known) wolves is our best option at the moment, I remembered this from I think, yesterDay.

I feel like making a list:


Look good to me

Lalaith: I feel quite good about, makes good sense.
Kath: though she hasn't posted much I'm getting very good vibes, I especially appreciate her last post, she couldn't come on much but still was sure to cover basically every major topic.
Nerwen: though I get what Nog was trying to say, I'm going to give Nerwen the benefit of the doubt here, I really think it was just banter.
Rikae: just seems like regular Rikae to me

Obviously there's at least one packmate in her "looks good" list, very possibly two, but probably not all three of them. That would be a bit risky, even though Wilwa hadn't been under any major suspicion up to that time. Rikae is a wolf, leaving Kath, Nerwen and Lalaith. What she says about Kath could be noteworthy. More on that in a moment.

Under my reindeer/not enough posts

Tum
Nienna
Zil (but he's posted a lot, so I don't know why, just nothing has stood out I guess)
Lottie
Mira
Shasta

If there's a wolf here, the likelihood is that it's Nienna. I'm not convinced of it, but she looks worse than the other two. I feel pretty good about Mira, and really don't know about Shasta. I keep forgetting about him.

Iffy/Confused about, but not necessarily willing to vote for

Sally: I can't even explain why, it's purely a gut a thing, and the usual confusion that comes along with her.
Phantom: cause he's the Phantom, and ya never know with him. But he seems to be fairly logical, and I don't see what's so touchy about his posts. I really wouldn't want to get rid of a big poster though either. So I'll stick with being 'wary of' but not willing to get rid of yet.
Folwren: she seems to constantly be second guessing herself, or making it sound like we should overlook her posts or not take them seriously. Which I find fairly odd.
Greenie: plain and simple, I just have no idea.
Nog: mostly is quite reasonable, but he accuses tp of being touchy, and then seems quite touchy himself. And even though I understand his point about Nerwen, I just feel like he got overly sensitive about people not agreeing with him (even if there was some confusion about english curse words). But again, like the Phantom, I'd hate to get rid of a big poster so early.

I cut off her remarks on Steve, but they obviously don't matter. Hard to tell anything from that, except that she casts a bit of suspicion on Folwren with a specific point, which may make Foley look less likely as a mate. Or not.

The post from Kath that induced Wilwa to put her at the top of the trust list was this one:

Warning: stream of consciousness.

The major Nog/Greenie/phantom argument is revolving around the idea of hints, yes? Basically, that hints were seen in Boro's posts, and it turned out that rather than the Hades hint that everyone leaped on being an actual hint, it was those relating to being the Seer that was in fact real. I'm not quite sure where I'm going here. It just feels like a lot of people are saying 'well look Boro's hints turned out to be truthful ... therfore Nerwen's and Mac's potential hints must also be right'. But Nerwen mentioned Hades not anything else (that I noticed - though I didn't notice Boro's Seer hints so that's not saying much) - and Boro's Hades 'hint' turned out to be nothing. I'm confusing myself. It just feels slightly hypocritical I think. If you'd been right about Boro hinting to be Hades you can't be right about Boro hinting to be the Seer and vice versa - he wasn't both. Also, whatever hints Boro may or may not have left, and whether he was the true Seer or the false Seer - it is likely we'll need more than the evidence from one Day to be able to read a huge amount into them.

In short (ish) - those who are focused so heavily on these hints seem suspicious to me. I know, I know that right now these are interesting and discussion-producing ... but the focus is causing these major ructions that are a beautiful distraction whether for the current loudmouths or for those who are quietly letting them get on with it.

Couple of questions probably aimed at the Mod - do we get any information in the narrations as to what has happened with the Mythomaniac? I think I saw that asked earlier but didn't see an answer. Will we know if we've not got more wolves? Also, there were questions about the Cobbler - is there a Cobbler as a separate role or is the Cursed pretty much a Cobbler?

Then there was the Eonwe/Dionysus business. I don't really know Eonwe's playing style. There are players who might well announce their role (within the boundaries of the game) Day 1 and sit back to watch everyone argue it out. Fea comes to mind. Is Eonwe that bold a player?

I'm glad those who were a bit quieter yesterDay seem to be back toDay and getting involved. :) In this game I don't think so many quiet players are likely to be lynched - Blind Guardian was probably a bit of an exception and unlucky to be playing in a game with so many veterans who just wanted to get on with it. That said, and despite my appalling hypocrisy here given I'm going to manage one post toDay, I hope the attention keeps up. Like I said, with loudmouths arguing it's too easy for quieter players to slip under the radar ... not actually that we have that many.

Anyway. Bedtime for me, especially as I'm starting to ramble. So from what I've said above my main suspects have to be Nogrod, phantom and Greenie. Nog and phantom have both reacted over-zealously, bringing emotion and sarcasm into play much more than Greenie which sort of logically makes me suspect them more. Nog I have seen act this way before. phantom I don't recall having done it. phantom is generally calm (as I recall) when suspected as a wolf, but I wouldn't put it past him to put on a show to negate that. Nog's 'do you read what other's post thing' I found quite odd and actually quite rude, and despite having seen him overreact in this way before this does seem to have blown up over two different ways of looking at a point - a dichotomy he has accepted in the past.

So:

++NOGROD

Nog quickly questioned Wilwa's trust for Kath based on that post.

Talking about finding anomalies...
Oh my! That (ADDED: Kath's post) was the most un-educated and well, muddled up post I've seen for a while. I mean she totally messed things up, like talking about Boro's Hades-hints (which?) being an issue or generally just saying that most that we have actually achieved is suspicious.

It's clear Kath has not have time to read or to think. She actually more or less admits it in her post. And that's fine. Everyone does not have time everyDay. And she's also a most lovable person. But still, and because of that, her post doesn't in any case earn that praise Wilwa makes of it. Which makes me wonder what the purpose of that praise was...

This was Wilwa's response.

That was kind of the point that I was ok with it. She clearly didn't have a lot of time to read or post, and yet still managed to at least somewhat touch on the big subjects. I didn't say that it made a ton of sense, just that I appreciated her effort, which is much more than other less active people have done. It was far better than just saying "oh, I have no time to even try and post so I'll just vote random".

I was focused on Tum yesterDay, I admit, so I just took note of this mentally and moved on. Now that Wilwa's known to be a wolf, this ought to be examined.
Was Kath's effort worthy of her going into Wilwa's most trusted ranks? It does seem to stick out, in that Wilwa looks to have been waiting for a reason to praise Kath, who had been about as submarine-like as one could be.
Kath if I'm not mistaken though, is looking at a modfire toDay if she doesn't vote. And if she's a wolf, she's been extremely uninvolved with helping her mates.

x/d with a couple of Niennas and Sallys.

[Kath]

Are you kidding Inzil? I missed yesterDay due to busyness and ... ahem ... drunkenness. :p But I caught up on yesterDay and I know the rules - I'm not about to cause the player list to drop any further after toDay's happenings with a Shirriff AND our true Seer gone. The latter of which by the way ... what?! What was that about? We clearly have a maniacal Zeus or one who has decided they're not on the side of the village.

Plus my vote is obvious in light of Tum being proven right about Nog.

++RIKAE

I do need to read over things in more depth, but I'm around for the next three hours to do that - I just wanted to vote now so as to avoid any possible modfiring!

[Inziladun]

Are you kidding Inzil? I missed yesterDay due to busyness and ... ahem ... drunkenness. :p But I caught up on yesterDay and I know the rules - I'm not about to cause the player list to drop any further after toDay's happenings with a Shirriff AND our true Seer gone. The latter of which by the way ... what?! What was that about? We clearly have a maniacal Zeus or one who has decided they're not on the side of the village.

Plus my vote is obvious in light of Tum being proven right about Nog.

++RIKAE[/B]

I do need to read over things in more depth, but I'm around for the next three hours to do that - I just wanted to vote now so as to avoid any possible modfiring!

As my last sentence indicated, I didn't conclude that you must be a wolf. As a matter of fact, looking over things myself the last half hour or so has given me another possibility about you.

[Kath]

I can't keep up this not doing lists thing so I apologise but that is what is coming in the next couple of posts as it will help me work out where we are right now. And hey it might be useful to some others too!

Known roles:
Blind Guardian - Aphrodite so Lover.
Boro - Hermes and false Seer (by default).
Eonwe - mortal.
Tum - Apollo and true Seer.
Nog - Poseidon.
Lottie - Artemis so Hunter.
wilwa - Hera so wolf and Lover.
Mac - Hercules so Shirriff.
Rikae - Ares so wolf (by Tum's dream).

Which means we have left:
Zeus - who is apparently not on the side of the village. Had the choice to kill, protect, see the role of a player or have an extra vote. Chose to kill the true Seer. Now powerless - should be an innocent from now ... apparently not.
Hestia - mythomaniac who is either true or false Seer.
Hades - wolf and Lover.
Persephone - Lover.
Demeter - protector of Persephone.
Hebe - only remaining Shirriff and so now just an innocent.
Hephaestus - wolf.
Pan - ranger.
Dionysus - cursed ... who as far as we know has not been turned?
Eros - Hunting Guardian.
Athena - Goddess of Wisdom.

Soooo, those who are actually evil and intending to harm the village:
Hades
Hephaestus
Persephone (possibly)

Those who potentially may be harmful to the village:
Zeus ... apparently.
Demeter
Dionysus - as they know they're the cursed they could choose to be on the wolves side.

Those who are definitely on the side of good:
Hestia - by now they must know if they're the true or false Seer and either way they're on the side of the village.
Hebe
Pan
Eros
Athena

Unknown roles:
Mira
Inzil
Nienna
Nerwen
Folwren
Lalaith
Greenie
Shasta
phantom
sally
Kath - putting myself in so this list tallies with the number of roles.

So, looking at those unknowns next.

[Nienna]

Foley:
24 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=634799&postcount=24) – Lottie talks a lot, Nerwen seems sensible, Wilwa seems all right
30 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=634806&postcount=30) – Doesn’t want to lynch Phantom; thinks Rikae’s idea of lynching the seer sounds dangerous
84 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=634872&postcount=84) – Hunch that Kath and Nog are NOT among the lovers but if they are then they aren’t innocent lovers (for discussing the role)
96 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=634893&postcount=96)– Votes Steve for trying but not succeeding at being natural

Day 2
420 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=635342&postcount=420) – Doesn’t think we should kill Nog or Phantom

Day 3
756 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=635791&postcount=756) – Thinks Nog and Nerwen (and their interaction) is suspicious but Nerwen more so than Nog (for gut feelings); thinks Tum looks suspicious; thinks Phantom still innocent; opinion of Sally uncertain; Mac’s distrust of Zil and Wilwa stands out.
834 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=635869&postcount=834)– Can’t bring her self to vote Nog because she doesn’t mistrust him. Votes Lottie instead.
841 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=635876&postcount=841) – Talks about possible nightly PMs. This post is the strongest that makes me think she’s not a wolf. I don’t know if a wolf would be daring enough to talk about possible PMs openly on the thread

Day 4
872 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=635930&postcount=872) – Isn’t sure why people are sure Nerwen’s not a wolf I’m wondering the exact same thing… I’m actually becoming rather suspicious of Nerwen just from reading other people’s posts including Wilwa’s and Rikae’s; wishes Greenie weren’t gone so she could explain her suspicion of Mac

Conclusions: I’m thinking that she is probably not a wolf. Her posts and ideas regarding roles and wolves just don’t seem like stuff a wolf would say. This isn’t to say she’s not a very sneaky wolf but I don’t think so.

[Nienna]

List:

Inoocent:
Nienna

Leaning Innocent:
Foley
Sally
Mira
Kath

Unsure:
Zil
Lal
Greenie
Shasta
Phantom

Leaning Wolf:
Nerwen

Wolf:
Rikae

[Kath]

Right, couple of disclaimers. This takes hours. And with Day 1 being 8 pages (!!!) I'm not going to have time to do more than that. Now, you might say, why not look at later Days. Well, because I think that on Day 1 people are slightly less cautious - feeling more able to hide in early banter. By Day 3 with some roles revealed by kill/lynch and just generally fewer people hiding is not so easy. Also, we know the lynch toDay, so I have toMorrow to continue this. (Listens for groans of despair at that statement!)

Mira - thinks the hints being talked about were probably not serious. Repeats that Boro couldn't be Lover-hinting if Zeus. Refused to vote for possible hinters given what she said earlier - fair enough. Boro and Eonwe turned out to be innocent though, so this could be good cover for Nerwen if she and Mira are both wolves.

Inzil - "Singling out possible gifteds? You're clearly a wolf." To Rikae. Probably joking but possibly not if also a wolf. Supported Nog on suspecting Eonwe. Says Boro doesn't sit right, suspects Mac just because, and wants to vote BG for no substance. Pretty much going with the top talkers/suspects of the Day. The BG vote was the same lines as mine, I just wonder about it because Inzil seemed to have more reasoning for a Mac vote.

Nienna - ignores phantom, praises wilwa (for what?). Says Eonwe 'slipping' bears watching. Votes for Eonwe in case he's the Cursed. Well it's consistent.

Nerwen - please, tell me for my sanity, are you typo-ing Folwren every time deliberately? Hmm, and about Zeus says: "Well, I'd hope so, but some people will have it that a surviving Lover has automatically lost anyway" - so could be someone who if Zeus would want the village to lose. Defending herself against Mac using 'he only suspected me after I suspected him'. Didn't think Eonwe was the Cursed. Voted Nog as wasn't happy with the BG/Eonwe bandwagons.

Folwren - Day 1 felt bad about Lottie, thinks Nerwen sensible and wilwa seems alright. Defends phantom and suspects Rikae. Not sure Foley would mention packmates at all ... which makes me think fairly well of Nerwen. Voted Eonwe as he seemed to be trying to hard to be innocent.

Lalaith - under the radar to me. But: "many seem to have taken too freely of Ganymede's cups" - Dionysus hint? And: "particularly as Zeus himself is not whole-heartedly allied to the village" - our odd Zeus? Voted Boro because the vote 'could throw up something useful'. Need to check if that was ever explained - as in, did it?

Greenie - said wouldn't vote wilwa or Foley Day 1 and thought Nerwen innocentish. If Greenie were a wolf this would make me think Foley and Nerwen probably weren't. List post, only suspicions were of Mac, voted him. Clearly proven wrong now ... but then Gifteds often get confused for wolves.

Shasta - thinks Nerwen and Nog both innocent, Boro wasn't hinting, and votes Eonwe in case he's the Cursed. By the way what was the bolding on 'light of my life' about?

phantom - may not be our odd Zeus given his comment to Boro about not feeling too free about where to place loyalties. Also as when talking about lynching the Seer he says: "Quite right, it will keep him from leading us astray with his false dreams later on. Good idea!" And as he was talking with Boro about his Seer hints I'm fairly sure this means he thought Boro the false Seer. Not sure he'd be so blase about offing the true one. Plus he says: "If Hera dies, then isn't he at that point on the side of the village." Thinks Mac and Nerwen innocent. Also doesn't agree that Eonwe is Dionysus.

sally - hints toward maybe being an ordo. So you know what I hate? A post with 3 paragraphs about not being able to post properly and an edit ... that then contains an unexplained vote. Just saying. Anyway, votes BG without explanation - did we get one later?

Ok, posting this now. Thoughts in addition to those I've noted as I've gone to follow.

[satansaloser2005]

This is for my own convenience, because I'm OCD about having lists of stuff so I can remember what's going on.

The Known
Wilwa (Hera, lover wolf)
Boro (Hermes, false seer)
BG (Aphrodite, wolf lover)
Lottie (Artemis, hunter)
Steve (mortal)
Tum (Apollo, true seer)
Rikae (Ares, wolf)
Mac (Hercules, shirriff)
Nog (Poseidon, unicorn)


Therefore, unknown players....
Kath
Mira
Zil
Nienna
Nerwen
Folwren
Lalaith
Greenie
Shasta
Phantom
Sally (to the rest of you anyway)

And unassigned/unfound roles....
Zeus (lover wolf)
Hestia (seer, but which?)
Hades (lover wolf
Persephone (wolf lover)
Demeter (special knowledge ordo)
Hebe (shirriff, now ordo since Mac’s gone)
Hephaestus (lover wolf, now wolf since BG’s dead)
Pan (ranger)
Dionysus (cursed, so far unturned)
Eros (ranger/hunter combination)
Athena (special knowledge ordo)


Back in a second with lists of guilt/innocence.

[satansaloser2005]

Guilty, period
Rikae

Leaning guilty
Foley (for both her talking freely of possible gifteds and just plain weirdness, among other things)

Feeling icky about them
Mira
Nerwen (?)
Nienna (she's being too nice to me maybe?)

No idea
Kath
Shasta

Leaning innocent
Greenie
Phantom (although a possible Zeus)
Lal
Dun

Brilliant and safe
Sally

[Kath]

Ok, final thoughts.

Mira - I don't really know. If Nerwen's a wolf I think Mira more likely to be, but then she's most likely too good a player to leave such obvious trails. Not sure.

Inzil - just wondering about the choice of BG over Mac. If that's explained well then I'm leaning innocent.

Nienna - was consistent but not so much involved. Not sure.

Nerwen - don't know. Avoiding the BG/Nog thing completely can equally be a sign of a confused innocent or an avoiding wolf. Nerwen I kind of doubt would be an avoiding wolf. I don't doubt she'd be a wolf masquerading as a confused innocent. Not sure about her. Would like to know her role as I find others dependent on it. But that's not a good enough reason for a lynch really.

Folwren - feels innocent. Could be tricksy and false. If a wolf then I think Nerwen innocent. Not sure.

Lalaith - somehow avoided all the hint talk that surrounded Boro/Nerwen/Eonwe. Interesting. A wolf with packmates avoiding it? Or had everyone decided hints meant nothing by now?

Greenie - could have been a wolf going after a beleaguered Mac. Could have been an innocent misunderstanding a Gifted way of playing. Not sure.

Shasta - nothing to go on there.

phantom - well I don't think he's Zeus. Not sure if he's a wolf.

sally - again another who got away with hints. Well, not so much hints as kind of announcing she has some kind of innocent role.

So:
I'd be interested to find out Nerwen's role because I think it will give out quite a lot of information. Lalaith I think could be wolvish. sally could easily be bluffing. Deeper looks at these three tomorrow.

And now to bed.

[Kath]

Oh and sally? Did your roles list about two posts further up. :p

[Inziladun]

Inzil - just wondering about the choice of BG over Mac. If that's explained well then I'm leaning innocent.

Busy, and about to walk out the door for a bit, but I thought I'd address this. As I said (once or twice ;)) Mac and I seem to have a history of suspecting one another from the start of every game. Because of that, I've become hesitant of voting for him early without more to go on.

[Nienna]

Sally, dear? (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=635985&postcount=921)

[Nerwen]

Nerwen - please, tell me for my sanity, are you typo-ing Folwren every time deliberately.
Nah, I kept reading her name that way. I only just realised the proper spelling. Sorry, Foley.

Now I just want to correct a couple of things you've said here:
Hmm, and about Zeus says: "Well, I'd hope so, but some people will have it that a surviving Lover has automatically lost anyway" - so could be someone who if Zeus would want the village to lose.
No. People– starting with Rikae, I might add– have been reading evil plots into the fact that I said this– but at the time, the rules about the Lovers hadn't been clarified– that was the point of the discussion. I was worried that if Hera died, and Zeus had no way to win, he'd take it out on the village. (Which he did anyway, for some reason– and no, I wouldn't have done that, if it was me. I like winning.)

Defending herself against Mac using 'he only suspected me after I suspected him'.
No– because he didn't start suspecting me until other people went after him because he'd said I could be Hades, then did nothing about it. Do you see the difference?

[Nerwen]

sally - again another who got away with hints. Well, not so much hints as kind of announcing she has some kind of innocent role.
But everyone has a role in this game, Kath.

[Nerwen]

Those who potentially may be harmful to the village:
Zeus ... apparently.
Er... you call what he did "potential"?

[satansaloser2005]

But everyone has a role in this game, Kath.

She said she though I had some kind of innocent role, not just a role in general.

Er... you call what he did "potential"?

Potentially (and in fact definitely) harmful, yes.


Nerwen, have you taken to not understanding/twisting words?

[the phantom]

Okay then, it may end up that I don't participate at all in the debate today. I'm RL socializing with Tum and Sally (no we're not discussing Werewolf Devin!), plus it's obvious who we're lynching today. If I'm still around tomorrow I'll try and do some good reading and extensive commentary and accusing etc.

And since everyone voting the same way is boring...

++ Sally :p

[Nienna]

*cough cough* Sally you are avoiding my question.

[Nerwen]

Nerwen, have you taken to not understanding/twisting words?

No, have you?:rolleyes: She said you "got away with hints" because you suggested you were an innocent gifted.

sally - again another who got away with hints. Well, not so much hints as kind of announcing she has some kind of innocent role.

I was pointing out that that's not fair. It illustrates what I don't like about Kath's approach: she basically wasn't playing the first few Days, and now she's analysing early posts by just skimming and guessing at the context. Yes, I accept that it takes too long to read the whole thing, but I've just got to question how useful it is at all.

As a more general thing, I just don't like it– who does?– when submarine players finally surface late in the game, and then trade on how "clean" they've managed to keep themselves. And we've got a whole fleet of subs in this game (though what subs are doing on Mt Olympus is another matter).

EDIT:X'd with Nienna.

[satansaloser2005]

*cough cough* Sally you are avoiding my question.

It's fun to see you squirm, m'dear. :p

[satansaloser2005]

No, have you?:rolleyes: She said you "got away with hints" because you suggested you were an innocent gifted.



I was pointing out that that's not fair. It illustrates what I don't like about Kath's approach: she basically wasn't playing the first few Days, and now she's analysing early posts by just skimming and guessing at the context. Yes, I accept that it takes too long to read the whole thing, but I've just got to question how useful it is at all.

As a more general thing, I just don't like it– who does?– when submarine players finally surface late in the game, and then trade on how "clean" they've managed to keep themselves. And we've got a whole fleet of subs in this game (though what subs are doing on Mt Olympus is another matter).

Okay, got it now. Sorry, I thought you were questioning her wording on my innocent role hints rather than just role hints. Misunderstood. *blushes*

[Nienna]

It's fun to see you squirm, m'dear. :p

Fine then, it's very easy to move you to the top of my suspects list. You are now acting like Wolf-Sally. Not good, my dear, not good. It also doesn't help that Tum suspected you heavily and you had an interesting interaction with Rikae yesterDay.

[satansaloser2005]

Fine then, it's very easy to move you to the top of my suspects list. You are now acting like Wolf-Sally. Not good, my dear, not good. It also doesn't help that Tum suspected you heavily and you had an interesting interaction with Rikae yesterDay.

Whatever makes you happy. It's not like I can say who I am anyway.

:Merisu:

Goodness, is there no power in subtlety anymore? ;)

[Nienna]

Whatever makes you happy. It's not like I can say who I am anyway.

:Merisu:

Goodness, is there no power in subtlety anymore? ;)

I didn't ask you who you were... just if you were a wolf :p

[satansaloser2005]

I didn't ask you who you were... just if you were a wolf :p

I've already said numerous times that I was an innocent.

[Nerwen]

Now I feel like I'm out of the loop. Okay, Nienna, I presume there's some reason why you think asking Sally if she's a wolf will get results. Care to share it with the class?

[satansaloser2005]

Now I feel like I'm out of the loop. Okay, Nienna, I presume there's some reason why you think asking Sally if she's a wolf will get results. Care to share it with the class?

She's just trying to be tricksy, that's all.

[Nerwen]

She's just trying to be tricksy, that's all.
But... but... :confused:

[Nienna]

Now I feel like I'm out of the loop. Okay, Nienna, I presume there's some reason why you think asking Sally if she's a wolf will get results. Care to share it with the class?

I was wondering how she would respond. Some people would joke, others become nervous, etc. I believe I've gotten what I was looking for.

[Inziladun]

Okay then, it may end up that I don't participate at all in the debate today. I'm RL socializing with Tum and Sally (no we're not discussing Werewolf Devin!), plus it's obvious who we're lynching today. If I'm still around tomorrow I'll try and do some good reading and extensive commentary and accusing etc.

And since everyone voting the same way is boring...

++ Sally :p

Thank you, phantom. Isn't he great, ladies? Now Mr. phantom, if you'll just go with these nice men...:rolleyes:

I was wondering how she would respond. Some people would joke, others become nervous, etc. I believe I've gotten what I was looking for.

If you say so.

[Inziladun]

To recap the voting for Day 4 thus far (not that it's difficult):

Greenie--> Rikae
Lalaith--> Rikae
Inzil--> Rikae
Nerwen--> Rikae
Shasta--> Rikae
Nienna--> Rikae
Kath--> Rikae
tp--> Sally

Hasn't voted: Sally, Folwren, Mira

[satansaloser2005]

I was wondering how she would respond. Some people would joke, others become nervous, etc. I believe I've gotten what I was looking for.

And I got what I was looking for. Isn't sharing a beautiful thing? :Merisu:

[Nienna]

And I got what I was looking for. Isn't sharing a beautiful thing? :Merisu:

Mmmhm as long as you all stay away from a particular Formy :D

[satansaloser2005]

Mmmhm as long as you all stay away from a particular Formy :D

Bahahahaha!

[Folwren]

No time to read a word. Just wanted to get here and vote -

++Rikae

[Keeper of Dol Guldur]

Ridiculous amount of family drama going on. No time to comment, but sort of read.

++Rikae

[the phantom]

Has anyone posted a complete voting break-down (every single day in one post)? That would be super.

And I see old Mac is dead. See? I was right about him too. Hey, I realize I'm not setting the world on fire this game, but I have at least correctly called BG, Steve, Lottie, and Mac. That earns me some points, right?

I don't like Folwren as much any more. I thought it was possible that she was a Seer actually because of some things she said Day 1 and 2, and now I wonder if she was paving for a false reveal.

And Meeper- I still think she's insane, but probably innocent.

Kath- she looks pretty good. Nothing to do with being a Wolf, of course, but just thought I'd mention it.
Oh, did I mention? MY PLAN WAS FLIPPING BRILLIANT AND WOULD HAVE SAVED OUR SEER! *chills* I'm. Just. Sayin'
No, it wasn't. And no, it wouldn't have. You're deluded.

And your mother is a hamster.

[Nerwen]

Voting tally for all three Days.

Known roles at time of posting:
Blind Guardian: Aphrodite (Lover). Boro: Hermes (False Seer). Eonwe: Ordo. Nogrod: Poseidon (Unicorn). Lottie: Artemis (Hunter). Wilwa: Hera (Wolf). Mac: Hercules (Shirriff). tum: Apollo (true Seer). Rikae: Ares (Wolf).


Day One votes

Folwren --> Eonwe
Greenie --> Mac
Kath --> Blind Guardian
Lalaith --> Boromir
Zil --> BG 2
Nienna --> Eonwe 2
Sally --> BG 3
Nog --> Nerwen
Wilwa --> BG 4
Mira --> BG 5
Rikae --> the phantom
Mac --> Nerwen 2
Blind Guardian --> Zil
Shasta --> Eonwe 3
Lottie --> Eonwe 4
Tum --> BG 6
Boro --> Eonwe 5
Eonwe --> BG 7
Nerwen --> Nogrod

Didn't vote: the phantom.


Day Two votes

Greenie --> Mac
Shasta --> Nog
Kath --> Nog (2)
Lalaith --> Eonwe
Nog --> Eonwe (2)
Wilwa --> Eonwe (3)
Nienna --> Eonwe (4)
Inzil --> Eonwe (5)
Rikae --> Rikae
Loslote --> Nog (3)
autume --> Nog (4)
the phantom --> Eonwe (6)
Mac --> Eonwe (7)
Eonwe --> Nog (5)
Nerwen --> Eonwe (8)

Didn't vote: Wilwa, Mira, Folwren, Sally.


Day Three votes

Nog --> Lottie
Greenie --> Nog
Lal --> Lottie
Zil --> Tum
Wilwa --> Tum
Mira --> Phantom
Mac --> Lottie (3)
Rikae --> Tum
Nienna --> Tum (4)
Tum --> Rikae
Sally --> Nog (2)
Lottie --> Nog (3)
the phantom --> Nog (4)
Folwren --> Lottie (4)
Nerwen --> Nog (5)

Didn't vote: Kath, Shasta.

[Inziladun]

Has anyone posted a complete voting break-down (every single day in one post)? That would be super.

Here you are, the dead included.

Day 1:

Folwren--> Steve
Greenie--> Mac
Kath--> BG
Lalaith--> Boro
Inzil--> BG
Nienna--> Steve
Sally--> BG
Nog--> Nerwen
Wilwa--> BG
Mira--> BG
Rikae--> tp
Mac--> Nerwen
BG--> Inzil
Shasta--> Steve
Lottie--> Steve
Tum--> BG
tp--> Steve
Boro--> Steve
Steve--> BG
Nerwen--> Nog

Result: BG (Aphrodite) lynched.

Day 2:

Greenie--> Mac
Shasta--> Nog
Kath--> Nog
Lalaith--> Steve
Nog--> Steve
Lottie--> Steve
Nienna--> Steve
Inzil--> Steve
Rikae--> Rikae
Lottie--> Nog
Tum--> Nog
tp--> Steve
Mac--> Steve
Steve--> Nog
Nerwen--> Steve

Result: Steve (ordo) lynched.

Day 3:

Nog--> Lottie
Greenie--> Nog
Lalaith--> Lottie
Inzil--> Tum
Wilwa--> Tum
Mira--> tp
Mac--> Lottie
Rikae--> Tum
Nienna--> Tum
Tum--> Rikae (at this point, Tum revealed as a Seer who dreamed Rikae.
Sally--> Nog
Lottie--> Nog
tp--> Nog
Folwren--> Lottie
Nerwen--> Nog

Result: Nog (Unicorn) lynched.

What I don't get about Day 3 is this: Couldn't Tum's legitimacy have easily been checked by voting for Rikae then? I don't understand why you all went for Nog anyway. No time for further. Off to bed for me.

x/d with Nerwen, but I went to all that trouble and I'm posting it anyway!

[Nerwen]

What I don't get about Day 3 is this: Couldn't Tum's legitimacy have easily been checked by voting for Rikae then? I don't understand why you all went for Nog anyway.

Because tum might have been a bluffing wolf, or the False Seer, and because Nog looked a lot like a wolf at that point. At least that's the "official' reason– of course one or more baddies might have been involved in pushing the lynch that way.

[satansaloser2005]

We're down a wolf toDay. Let's get an early start on toMorrow, shall we?

And now....

++Fowlren

I've stated basic reasons throughout the thread, but alas my analysis post (which wasn't submitted yesterDay due to the chaos that ensued close to DL) was eaten last night when Abigail rebooted herself to install some updates. I'll try to do it over (and it shouldn't take long, fortunately) but basically I don't see much good in Foley, and I see a lot of potential for evil. ToDay's vote is a throwaway; hopefully it won't be when I likely repeat it toMorrow.

There are eleven of us left. Three of us are evil; eight of us (myself included) are goodies. By toMorrow that number will likely be three to seven. We can totally do this.

I'm really hoping I'm not among the dead come morning, because I have the feeling I can help save the village if we get in a tight spot later on. So....yeah. Being alive is good stuff.

Maybe my vote toMorrow will gain us another wolf, maybe not, but it definitely won't cost us a gifted; I'm hoping we're over that phase. I'm definitely for changing my ideas if someone can give me a good reason not to suspect Foley, but for now she's looking mighty fuzzy. Is it just me? Am I just not used to her playing style?

However, I've got to admit that my opinion of Nienna is dwindling. The way she reacted to my "oh, do you want to know who I am?" toDay wasn't exactly what I thought it would be, but I also might expect the same reaction from an innocent Nienna who honestly began to doubt me. I wish I knew more about her.

Either way you look at it Phantom's insane. Seriously insane. We love him anyway? (I'm rather convinced he's Zeus, to be honest. It'd crack me up I must admit.)

Really, I still can't get a lock on Kath, Shasta, Mira, and Greenie. Or Lal, for that matter. That's a lot of unknowns, my friends. The odds of one of them being Hestia are quite good in my opinion, and I say this because I want them to be gifted (especially since I think Hestia's an extra false seer) rather than under the radar wolves. That many people getting by unscathed rather frightens me.

Erm....Nerwen then. I can't get anything from her, but I'm now not inclined to trust her. She's being very strange, and I could see her being the lover of a wolf very easily. She could also be Demeter, though I rather doubt it.

Dun. He looks good enough to me, but one can never be sure if the people they trust can be counted on or not. I'll have to look in on him more and see what he's up to before I pass judgement one way or the other. Also, there's a severe lack of bickering between us. You promised! :p

[Glirdan]

So, would anybody object to me starting the Night now and whatever time is left I will add on to the next Day? All that means is that I would start the Day this time tomorrow an end it at the regular time.

[satansaloser2005]

Okay, that's it for me for tonight. Hope to see you all come toMorrow. :)

ETA: x'd with the mod, and that's fine with me

[Glirdan]

Just before Apollo went with Hercules to attempt to stop their father from loosing total control, he left a note in his private chamber, revealing that he had had a vision of Ares aiding Hera in the murder of some of their fellow Gods.

So the Gods trussed up Ares in the strongest metals that Hephaestus had with him, and tossed him in the middle of the now completely ruined Grand Chamber, with the four bodies of still lying about on the floor. The fountain that was there was now a pile of rubble and water was starting to flow everywhere. The archway had completely fallen away and the columns that were about the room, holding up the ceiling, were visibly cracked. The strain on them was also quite visible as every once in awhile, the crack would extend up the column towards the roof, threatening to crush them all at any given moment. The only thing that remained completely unharmed was Zeus's throne, where he was sitting, staring at the floor where the bodies of his children and wife still lay.

The Gods pushed Ares in front of Zeus who took one look at him before nodding to the Gods: permission to do whatever it was they pleased.

They dragged Ares out of the Chamber, and out up to the peak of Mount Olympus. They tied him up out there, intending on letting the mountain have his way., but he did nothing. He just looked at them all and started laughing. The Gods proceeded back down into their home, Ares's laughter still ringing in their ears as they all settled in for the Night.

Dead
Night 1 - Glirdan aka. Thanatos (Mod) - Scythe through the stomach
Day 1 - BeiGei aka. Aphrodite (Lover) - Suicide of a broken heart
Night 2 - Boro aka. Hermes (Seer) - Wings through the eyes
Day 2 - Eonwe aka. Only True Ordo - Plummeted to an untimely, mortal death
Day 3 - Nog aka. Poseidon (Unicorn) - Fish-fried by the other Gods
Night 4 - Lottie aka. Artemis (Hunter) - Face full of energy blast from Hera
Night 4 - Wilwa aka. Hera (Wolf Lover) - Pierced by Artemis's last shot
Day 4 - Tum aka. Apollo (Seer) - Killed by a bolt of lightning from Zeus
Day 4 - Mac aka. Hercules (Shirrif) - Pancaked by a piece of ceiling
Day 4 - Rikae aka. Ares (Wolf) - Left to freeze on the peak of Mount Olympus.

Alive
Kath
Mira
Zil
Nienna
Nerwen
Folwren
Lalaith
Greenie
Shasta
Phantom
Sally

Night 5 HAS BEGUN
Everyone do what you gotta do.

[Glirdan]

Eros was out on the hunt, even after the affairs of the previous Day AND Night. He was not going to let the other two upstarts bring the rest of the Olympian Gods down, not while he was on watch.

He was just walking by the room that happened to be where Persephone was resting when he noticed a shadow approaching from the other end of the Hallway. He quickly pressed himself against the wall so as to hide from the mysterious figure and quietly drew his sword. But it was too late, the figure had seen him and quickly turned around, running from him. He swore under his breath and started giving chase.

Just as he was starting to close the gap between the two, he collided with someone else. Thinking it was the second of the two, he swung his sword for where he estimated was the neck. There was a dull thunk as the figure's head hit the floor. Just then, a sliver of moonlight peaked in through the window across the hall and illuminated the face...It was Demeter.

Eros collapsed to the floor. There was no way that Demeter could have been one of the scoundrels that was bringing the Twilight upon them. She was just there, on her way to keep an eye on Persephone.

And then he heard it, directly behind him, something was slinking thier way toward him.

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START OF THE DAY

The rest of the Gods gathered again in the ruins of the Great Chamber. Zeus had gotten rid of the bodies of his children and wife before closing himself off in his quarters, but the place was still an utter mess.

And there, on top of the slab that had crushed Hercules, lay Eros. As the Gods approached, they noticed that a cross had been carved into his chest, and his sword was stuck right in the middle of the cross, with Demeter's head jammed onto the hilt of the sword.

The Gods all dispersed, completely disgusted by the sight of their fellow Gods. It was Day 5 of the ending of their lives.


Dead
Night 1 - Glirdan aka. Thanatos (Mod) - Scythe through the stomach
Day 1 - BeiGei aka. Aphrodite (Lover) - Suicide of a broken heart
Night 2 - Boro aka. Hermes (Seer) - Wings through the eyes
Day 2 - Eonwe aka. Only True Ordo - Plummeted to an untimely, mortal death
Day 3 - Nog aka. Poseidon (Unicorn) - Fish-fried by the other Gods
Night 4 - Lottie aka. Artemis (Hunter) - Face full of energy blast from Hera
Night 4 - Wilwa aka. Hera (Wolf Lover) - Pierced by Artemis's last shot
Day 4 - Tum aka. Apollo (Seer) - Killed by a bolt of lightning from Zeus
Day 4 - Mac aka. Hercules (Shirrif) - Pancaked by a piece of ceiling
Day 4 - Rikae aka. Ares (Wolf) - Left to freeze on the peak of Mount Olympus.
Night 5 - Greenie aka. Demeter (Protector of Youth) - Accidental beheading by Eros
Night 5 - Zil aka. Eros (Hunting Guardian) - Cross-carved stabbing

Alive
Kath
Mira
Nienna
Nerwen
Folwren
Lalaith
Shasta
Phantom
Sally

THE DAY HAS BEGUN
Wolves stop PMing.

Everyone start posting.

[the phantom]

Okay, so, 9 of us left. We still have, what, a Ranger with us? And a Shirrif, but he doesn't have powers. And Athena, who possibly knows the Ranger. And a Seer, but he is possibly false. And Zeus, but who knows what he's up to. And Persephone, who I assume is helping the Wolves. And then there's the two Wolves. And the Cursed, who can be turned (or perhaps he is just an Ordo and the deceased Eonwe was Dionysus, as the rules clearly say Dionysus won't be correctly identified upon death).

Here's what we know-

POSSIBLY GUILTY

Kath- Hasn't been around much. Sneaky girl. Drinks too much.
Mira- Has failed hardcore at voting, especially on Day 3.
Nienna- After a couple days of being quiet, she's picked up her game. Pressure?
Nerwen- Named after Galadriel. Very lame.
Folwren- Looked a bit Seerish the first two days. Ploy?
Lalaith- Scary smooth wolf.
Shasta- Unusually quiet this game.
Sally- Proposes evil plans!

DEFINITELY GUILTY

Phantom- Has been found in possession of large quantities of win, has been convicted on numerous occasions for deeds that exceeded the acceptable level of epic and awesome, and stands accused of stealing all the world's sexy.

And now... sleep time.

[Folwren]

I'm about to head off for work. Sometime today I'll catch up on yesterDay's activities and see what's up. I briefly glanced through what had occurred last night when I returned home. Things don't look exactly good.

-- Foley

[Nerwen]

I'm about to head off for work. Sometime today I'll catch up on yesterDay's activities and see what's up. I briefly glanced through what had occurred last night when I returned home. Things don't look exactly good.

Could be worse. We still have one Ranger, and maybe a Seer, and Dionysus wasn't turned. We do need to get another wolf toDay, though.

So, a couple of things: I was thinking about who Zeus might be– that is, which player might have acted like that as Zeus. Now, I agree with Sally that it's the sort of thing the phantom might do... but I could actually see Sally herself doing it, just because no-one was expecting it. On the other hand, it could be someone who hasn't been around much and just didn't realise Zeus could still win without Hera. (Kath? Mira? Shasta?)

Also, wouldn't it be worth reading through Greenie's posts for a hint of who Persephone might be? I don't feel up to it right this minute, though.

[the phantom]

Greenie was convinced early on that Mac was Hades, and so we merely need to look through his Day 1 posts and see who he might've looked he was hinting at to figure out who Persephone is.

From Greenie on Day 2-
Hmm. I was pretty sure yesterDay that Mac was Hades (a big part of why I voted for him in the first place), but didn't want to say it because I kind of hoped against all hope that Persephone had failed to notice what I did (a big part of why I voted for him with such flimsy reasons instead of my real ones). That obviously doesn't matter anymore now that all his possible Hades hints are out in the open anyway.

I have some doubts yet (among them the classic "Can it be this easy?"), but unless something drastic happens I'd be willing to vote for Mac toDay
Got it? Good.

And if you reread Greenie, you'll see that only one living player consistently remains on all of her innocent lists. So, if that player is also the player that Mac appears to hint at, that player is without any doubt Persephone. Case solved.

And no- I'm not going to do all of your work for you.

[satansaloser2005]

Could be worse. We still have one Ranger, and maybe a Seer, and Dionysus wasn't turned. We do need to get another wolf toDay, though.

So, a couple of things: I was thinking about who Zeus might be– that is, which player might have acted like that as Zeus. Now, I agree with Sally that it's the sort of thing the phantom might do... but I could actually see Sally herself doing it, just because no-one was expecting it. On the other hand, it could be someone who hasn't been around much and just didn't realise Zeus could still win without Hera. (Kath? Mira? Shasta?)

Also, wouldn't it be worth reading through Greenie's posts for a hint of who Persephone might be? I don't feel up to it right this minute, though.

Well it certainly ain't me. Did you miss the part where I was trying to protect her and her dreams? (In a non-rangery fashion, that is.)

Speaking of rangery fashion, rubbish. That didn't work out at all like I wanted. :(

*cryptic!Sally continues to be cryptic*

Good thoughts on someone who wasn't paying attention to the rules, etc. I think in that case Shasta would be a good candidate. Either way, though, we don't want to kill Zeus, so for the moment at least I don't really care who he/she is.

Kath, however, said something interesting the other Day. I need to find out who she said it to. *goes hunting*

[satansaloser2005]

Are you kidding Inzil? I missed yesterDay due to busyness and ... ahem ... drunkenness. :p But I caught up on yesterDay and I know the rules - I'm not about to cause the player list to drop any further after toDay's happenings with a Shirriff AND our true Seer gone. The latter of which by the way ... what?! What was that about? We clearly have a maniacal Zeus or one who has decided they're not on the side of the village.

Plus my vote is obvious in light of Tum being proven right about Nog.

++RIKAE

I do need to read over things in more depth, but I'm around for the next three hours to do that - I just wanted to vote now so as to avoid any possible modfiring!


Ping! Is this too obvious to be a Dionysus hint? (Like I should talk about lack of subtlety. :rolleyes:)

[Folwren]

Ping! Is this too obvious to be a Dionysus hint? (Like I should talk about lack of subtlety. :rolleyes:)

Why, yes, I should say so.:rolleyes:

Kath's fairly experienced, isn't she? Any one who's experienced and who has the Dionysus role would keep quiet, lest the villagers suspect them and kill them beforet he wolves get to them. I mean, honestly. Who would throw it blatantly out there? "Kill me! Kill me!" No one is quite that sacrificial, even if they do want the villagers to win.

-- Foley

[satansaloser2005]

Back to work. :(

I'll be back in....six hours or so, and will hopefully have a guess at everyone's role, blah blah blah. Oh, and Phantom?

You just lost the game. Jerk. :Merisu:

*hums Rick Astley, toddles off for now*

[satansaloser2005]

Why, yes, I should say so.:rolleyes:

Kath's fairly experienced, isn't she? Any one who's experienced and who has the Dionysus role would keep quiet, lest the villagers suspect them and kill them beforet he wolves get to them. I mean, honestly. Who would throw it blatantly out there? "Kill me! Kill me!" No one is quite that sacrificial, even if they do want the villagers to win.

-- Foley

The cursed isn't evil until they're turned. We've not been informed that they're turned, so they're in effect still an ordo. Thus, it's not really "kill me, kill me".

Thus, if Kath is Dionysus, we shouldn't lynch her....yet. We need to keep an eye out for them, though, because if the wolves turn them we'll be in a bit of a pickle.

However, Kath's other posts have been appearing wolfish to me the more I look at them. She could be dropping fake Dionysus hints (or she could have thought Dun was Dionysus and was trying to hint to him....

POST INTERRUPTED. PARENTHESES BE....BE DEADED.

Kath's totally a wolf. No joke, she has to be. She hinted at Dun with the drunkenness so he'd know she was a wolf when he got turned last Night. Except he wasn't turned, he was killed.

PLEASE tell me this makes sense outside of my head?!?!

Crap. I have to go or I'll be late back to work. But I'm totally exploring this later.

[Nerwen]

Kath's totally a wolf. No joke, she has to be. She hinted at Dun with the drunkenness so he'd know she was a wolf when he got turned last Night. Except he wasn't turned, he was killed.

PLEASE tell me this makes sense outside of my head?!?!
Sally, why would she need to let him know she's a wolf?

Dionysus – God of Wine – Dionysus is the Cursed. If the Wolves choose to Night kill him, he will join their ranks. Only the player and I will know that they are Dionysus. I will not reveal the Cursed until the end of the game.
Are you taking this to mean that Dionysus wouldn't be made known to the other wolves even after being turned? I'm not getting that from it.

That said, it does look like a hint. I'd say too obvious to be real, except for the liberal use of the subtlety mace we've already seen throughout this game.

–While we're on the subject, what's your story, Sally? With all the not-exactly-subliminal hinting, I mean?

[Folwren]

The cursed isn't evil until they're turned. We've not been informed that they're turned, so they're in effect still an ordo. Thus, it's not really "kill me, kill me".

Thus, if Kath is Dionysus, we shouldn't lynch her....yet. We need to keep an eye out for them, though, because if the wolves turn them we'll be in a bit of a pickle.

Wait, what? It seems to me that if the villagers know who Dionysus is, the wolves also know who he is, and therefore the wolves would know their next night's kill. In order to save the village from being plagued by another wolf, the villagers may as well kill thek nown Dionysus as wait until he's turned into a wolf - if, that is, they don't know of any real wolves to kill.

But I kind of see your point...provided we can find a real wolf, killing Dionysus would be pointless and would be killing an ordo.

However, I stll don't think Kath is Dionysus. A wolf? Maybe. I'll go read her posts.

Kath's totally a wolf. No joke, she has to be. She hinted at Dun with the drunkenness so he'd know she was a wolf when he got turned last Night. Except he wasn't turned, he was killed.

PLEASE tell me this makes sense outside of my head?!?!

No, it doesn't. Not really. I'll look into it.

-- Foley

[the phantom]

Kath's fairly experienced, isn't she? Any one who's experienced and who has the Dionysus role would keep quiet, lest the villagers suspect them and kill them beforet he wolves get to them. I mean, honestly. Who would throw it blatantly out there? "Kill me! Kill me!" No one is quite that sacrificial, even if they do want the villagers to win.
False. It is in fact probable that Dionsysus wishes to be turned, and thus he would have no qualms about shouting it out. And if we lynch him, so what? It's not as if that hurts the Werewolves. Dionysus is a bit of a Cobbler I'd say. And again, Dionsysus may already be dead, so it doesn't do us much good to worry about him.

And just a reminder- the last post I made *points up 7 posts* is by far the most useful thing that has been said today. You'd better not ignore it for too long or it will be obvious that you're not particularly interested in figuring out who people are. ;)

[Folwren]

And just a reminder- the last post I made *points up 7 posts* is by far the most useful thing that has been said today. You'd better not ignore it for too long or it will be obvious that you're not particularly interested in figuring out who people are. ;)

Well, I've found who Mac referred to. I'll look now to see who Greenie thought it was....

Ah. I see your point. I think I kind of understand. Persephone had to find out who Hades was, but Hades already knew who Persephone was. Therefore, no matter how early in the game Persephone was killed, Hades could still take a revenge kill - he didn't have to wait until he found her, I mean.

If Nerwen is indeed Persephone...killing Nerwen would be a very bad thing. But how are we certain that Greenie knew who she was talking about?

-- Foley

[Folwren]

I have a question that I've had for a few days now - how do we know Hestia chose one of the seers?

[the phantom]

But how are we certain that Greenie knew who she was talking about?
The primary point of Greenie's role was that she was told by the Mod from the beginning who Persephone was (Greenie was Demeter).

[Folwren]

Oh, I see. I had misread her character description. That is, I mistook her for another characer.

[the phantom]

Well, now that we've got that settled, I believe I'll disappear for a while. I've already given you folks more than enough help for today.

[Folwren]

Thanks a lot, Phantom. I just love it when people give grudgingly and then sneer at people they help. One feels so...appreciated.

[the phantom]

Heh heh heh... Sorry, but I simply must stay in character.

[Folwren]

I am so tempted to just say, "Jerk", like I would to any old friend of mine, but I don't know you well enough to feel that free. I'll just say "Meanie" instead. :p

[the phantom]

Oh, it's fine, you can call me a jerk. I'm totally being one. ;)

[Folwren]

Nah. I told you I didn't feel comfortable enough calling you that. In my mind, I only call friends who are being mildly mean jerks, and to call someone I didn't know well that name would indicate that they were being really, really, really nasty, and I don't think you have been. So it'd be rude for me to say so.

Okay...If Nerwen is Persephone, then she's an innocent. I believe Phantom is innocent - I haven't gotten any gut feelings or indications that he is not.

I have few thoughts concerning Kath. Looking over her posts, she seems to think that Nerwen and I were somehow connected...look here in post 928:

Folwren - Day 1 felt bad about Lottie, thinks Nerwen sensible and wilwa seems alright. Defends phantom and suspects Rikae. Not sure Foley would mention packmates at all ... which makes me think fairly well of Nerwen. Voted Eonwe as he seemed to be trying to hard to be innocent.

And then in post 931:

Folwren - feels innocent. Could be tricksy and false. If a wolf then I think Nerwen innocent. Not sure.

Why does she attach me to Nerwen? Because I am suspicious of Nerwen?

As for Kath dropping hints for Inzil - Sally's theory on that sounds bogus to me. The cursed doesn't need hints. I think the post she is basing her thoughts off of is post #923, where she said,

Are you kidding Inzil? I missed yesterDay due to busyness and ... ahem ... drunkenness.

But this is her response and her excuse when Inzil threw harsh accusation into her face:

Was Kath's effort worthy of her going into Wilwa's most trusted ranks? It does seem to stick out, in that Wilwa looks to have been waiting for a reason to praise Kath, who had been about as submarine-like as one could be.

This is at the end of a very long, very noteworthy post numbered 922. You may want to look into it.

Question: Why would the wolves kill Inzil? Was he close to one of their pack member's scent and they didn't want him to find out? Or, are they trying to frame Kath?

I don't know what to think of Kath.

What do you supposed this means? Post 924:

As my last sentence indicated, I didn't conclude that you must be a wolf. As a matter of fact, looking over things myself the last half hour or so has given me another possibility about you.

As for Sally...well, my opinion is that if Kath is innocent, Sally's a wolf, but if Kath is guilty, Sally is probably innocent. I'm more inclined to doubt Sally than Kath. Why? Gosh...... She just seems flippant and careless, accusing people right and left with little basis. I don't like it.

I don't know what to think of Mira, Nienna, Lalaith, and Shasta just now. I'll have to do more reading.

-- Foley

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Oh, it's fine, you can call me a jerk. I'm totally being one. ;)

He is, and he's good at it.

Meanwhile, I'm back and currently reading. I'm still in shock that Zeus chose to take out Apollo yesterDay - how is that aiding his side, again? Seems very unsporting and unfair, but there's no use crying over spilled milk, I suppose. Sally is being overly cryptic until my head is spinning, and I don't know why Fowlren would just blurt out what he just blurted out (even though phantom did basically the same thing). In any case, I'm going to go back and look at Lalaith, who is the only person that I've consistently forgotten was playing.

[Kath]

Um ... wasn't hinting guys. You can ask Glirdy. I apologised to him for missing the Day because I went out and got plastered Friday evening, came home and passed out. :D

Folwren, we're assuming Hestia chose a Seer because in the narration it states that 'her eyes are opened and she saw things she'd never seen before' or something along those lines. Eyes and see/saw pretty much = Seer.

Nerwen makes an interesting point about sally. She has been being teasing enough to potentially be our errant Zeus.

If phantom is going to sulk instead of helping then let's just lynch him anyway.

If Foley's a wolf she's played a blinder and probably deserves the win! If Mira is she does not. :p

To answer Folwren's last post:
I don't think you and Nerwen are connected. That's actually what I was trying to say. I was saying that you had mentioned Lottie (turned out to be innocent), wilwa (turned out to be evil) and Nerwen - who we don't yet know about. I was saying that if you were a wolf I would doubt you'd mention a packmate, ergo Nerwen is probably not wolvish if you are. Sorry, bit convoluted, and completely meaningless if you're not a wolf anyway.

[Lalaith]

I´ve been trying to do an analysis of stuff that happened since I was gone, but keep getting RL interruptions. I won´t be able to get back on for a couple of hours so I´ll post what I´ve got so far. Apologies again for being bitty – this is what I´ve got as far as middle of page 24.

Inzil´s point about Rikae´s defence of Nienna was interesting, coupled with Nienna´s own analysis of Rikae, where she found Rikae consistent and logical (something I found odd at the time) But would one wolf focus on another for analysis? A very bold approach – I´ve never played with Nienna before I don´t think...is that her style? Also, her hassling of Sally yesterday – what was all that about? Boredom? Distraction? Diversion?
Also – Inzil pointed to wilwa´s approval of a rather woolly post of Kath´s. Wilwa looks to have been waiting for a reason to praise Kath, who had been about as submarine-like as one could be.

Sally – her list of guilty/innocents is very similar to mine, and her schemes and plans feel like those of an enthusiastic innocent. But I don´t think I ever have played with a Sally-wolf so I don´t know what to expect from one.
Nerwen´s analysis of wilwa was helpful and incisive enough for me to feel inclined to trust her. Also her annoyance with surfacing submarines feels like that of an innocent.
More later tonight....

[Folwren]

Um ... wasn't hinting guys. You can ask Glirdy. I apologised to him for missing the Day because I went out and got plastered Friday evening, came home and passed out. :D

Ha, see! I told 'e so!

Folwren, we're assuming Hestia chose a Seer because in the narration it states that 'her eyes are opened and she saw things she'd never seen before' or something along those lines. Eyes and see/saw pretty much = Seer.

Gotcha! I totally missed that.

Nerwen makes an interesting point about sally. She has been being teasing enough to potentially be our errant Zeus.

Or an errant wolf.

If phantom is going to sulk instead of helping then let's just lynch him anyway.

No, because sulky or not, so long as he's not a wolf, he's still valuable.

If Foley's a wolf she's played a blinder and probably deserves the win! If Mira is she does not. :p

Ah, thank you, that's sweet. But I'm not a wolf, so don't worry about it.

I don't think you and Nerwen are connected. That's actually what I was trying to say. I was saying that you had mentioned Lottie (turned out to be innocent), wilwa (turned out to be evil) and Nerwen - who we don't yet know about. I was saying that if you were a wolf I would doubt you'd mention a packmate, ergo Nerwen is probably not wolvish if you are. Sorry, bit convoluted, and completely meaningless if you're not a wolf anyway.

Oh, I think I see. Well, alright.

Edit: x-posted with Lalaith

[the phantom]

I went out and got plastered Friday evening, came home and passed out.
Before you passed out you, erm, sent me some rather interesting photos. May want to check your sent messages. But don't worry, I won't forward them to anyone else. Unless of course they're willing to hand me a bit of cash. ;)

[Folwren]

Before you passed out you, erm, sent me some rather interesting photos. May want to check your sent messages. But don't worry, I won't forward them to anyone else. Unless of course they're willing to hand me a bit of cash. ;)

....if that is true, Phantom, this is the wrong place to say it.

If it is false, that was completely unappropriate and I disapprove.

[Kath]

Foley! Of course it's not true. What do you think of me woman? :p And he's just being mean 'cause I said he was sulking.

[Folwren]

:mad:

[the phantom]

Foley! Of course it's not true. What do you think of me woman?
She thinks either that you drink too much or that you can't hold your beer very well. :p
unappropriate and I disapprove
But why? I never said what the photos were of. Since I guess I need to clarify, they were nearly all of the lense cap. You can understand then why Kath would be so embarrassed, as these pictures would provide further proof of her utter lack of common sense. And the pics that weren't of the cap, well- they were of various city scenes, but her choices in perspective and lighting and her post-pic adjustments to the exposure and the like showed no eye for artistry whatsoever. So, perhaps now you can better understand why she doesn't wish for these photos to be released?

[Folwren]

Good grief.

Who do YOU suspect is a wolf, Phantom? What do you think, Kath?

[Kath]

Haha ignoring is a good plan, Foley!

Who do I think is a wolf? Maybe Lalaith. The wolves who have been found out (by lynch or clever Gifteds) have been fairly loudmouthed. I think it's possible we have a quiet wolf in the pack too.

I'm thinking not Mira. She's just TOO uninvolved. As a wolf I feel she'd make some effort.

Shasta is a possibility. He's been quiet but is reasserting himself now. Could be a wolf getting more involved as his packmates go down. Could be an innocent with more time on his hands now.

Nienna I'm not sure about. She hasn't really ... made an impression.

sally could be a wolf. I'm more tempted to think of her as a Cursed who wants to be turned or our errant Zeus though.

Foley could be a newbie wolf. Easy to play the confused innocent card if a lot actually is new to you. That said, I didn't think she'd mention packmates in a post, and she did mention wilwa.

Might have a look at some voting records.