WW LXXX: It's About Time!

[Inziladun]

As the passengers exited the train at the Blandford station in Dorset, England, they recalled what the e-mail had said: "I'll be holding a sign, and the sign will have a particular character you will instantly recognize." They looked around the platform and saw a man in a white lab coat standing there, smiling, holding a large placard bearing the Tolkien Sigil: a central line both a "T" and a "J", with two mirror-image "R";s on either side. He beckoned them to follow him. They did so, and walked behind him outside. There was a small, old bus at the curb, with its storage compartment open. The man said "Place your luggage in there and hop on board." The man closed the door of the storage bin and climbed onto the bus himself, perching himself on the driver's seat. As the bus pulled away, he picked up the PA system microphone. "I know you're all intensely curious, and I promise you once we arrive at our destination all will be explained." The passengers looked at one another, then out the windows, watching the city streets give way to open countryside.
After about twenty minutes of driving, with no houses or other buildings having been seen for a while, they saw a dirt road ahead on the right. The bus slowed, and turned onto that road. As the bus bounced and lurched along the narrow lane, its riders wondered (not for the first time) what they'd gotten themselves into.
After another ten minutes or so, a large three-story house appeared, surrounded by a high wrought-iron fence. The bus came to a stop in front of a gate, while the bus driver reached into his pocket and removed a small device on which there were two buttons. He pressed one, and the gate opened. The bus passed through, and the gate shut quietly behind it.
As the bus stopped in from of the house, the passengers spoke for the first time.
"The windows- they've been bricked up!", said Sally in surprise. Indeed they had.
"And look at the door", said Pitchwife. Where once had probably been a front door made of fine wood, there was now a heavy-looking metal one, such as one expected to see in a prison.
"What's this all about, anyway?" Fea asked.
"What? Oh, don't be alarmed! Just some security precautions, that's all", the man in the lab coat said reassuringly. He opened the bus's storage compartment. "Just get your things and follow me."
As they retrieved their bags and cases, the man reached into his pocket and brought out the same device he'd used to open the gate. He pressed the other button, and the metal door into the house opened. "Come along!", he said, waving his hand.
With no small amount of uneasiness, the 13 people followed him inside.
As they walked over the threshold, someone gave a yell. The looked back and saw Wilwa clutching Shasta's arm, apparently having nearly fallen. "I tripped on that!" she said, pointing at a tool box just inside the door.
"Sorry!" said the man in the coat. "I meant to clean up some, but I forgot." He reached into another pocket and pulled out an old-fashioned micro-cassette recorder. He spoke into it, "Note to self: 'Tidy up this place!'" He replaced the device.
"Everyone inside? Let's see...one, two, three....yes! All here." He walked over to the metal door, and they noticed a small control panel on one side of it. He stepped in front of it, so that they could not see what he was doing, but the door closed with a crash, making them all jump.
"Now", he said, turning back to them. "Would you all like to know why you're here?"

[Inziladun]

"Would you all like to know why you're here?"
"Ummm....Yes!" answered Boro.
"Well, we know that you all responded to an advertisement I put out. I placed it all over the internet, in places I thought were likely to be visited by my target audience. It read as follows: 'Calling all fans of the written works of J.R.R. Tolkien: you have the opportunity to join in a great project to preserve the artistic integrity and general dignity of Lord of the Rings and other Middle-earth related works. Assist in this matter and your reward will be great. Send replies to...' etc. And one by one you all wrote back to me. And here you are."
"So what's this "great project"?", inquired The Elf-warrior.
"And who are you?", asked Shasta.
"Well, the answer to your second question, is that you may call me "Professor Inzil". "As for the first one....well...who all here has seen the LOTR movies put out in the last ten years?"
Everyone raised a hand.
"Now, how many of you were completely happy with those movies?"
No hands were raised.
"Not I, either", said the Professor. "Any movie based on these books has to be an abysmal failure, at least as far as integrity to the books is concerned. The deeper meaning is lost, in favor of mass-market attraction. Why did they bother making the movies if they were going to fundamentally change so much? Why couldn't Jackson have done an original script and left Tolkien alone? I'll tell you why! MONEY!"
"There's no need to shout", said Greenie quietly.
"Sorry", said the Professor. "Anyway, I decided to do something about it. I'm going to prevent those movies from being made. Prevent anyone from making Tolkien-based movies."
"Slight problem there", said Nerwen. "The movies have already been made for LOTR, and one based on The Hobbit is underway."
"Ah", said the Professor, "but I have a way to undo that. Follow me!"
The group followed him through a door, exchanging uneasy glances. Clearly they had been lured here by a lunatic.
When they emerged into the next room, they were dumfounded. What before had apparently been a large dining room at one time, now contained several computer consoles, surrounding a central, egg-shaped chamber with a door in it. Pipes and cables ran out of the contraption in all directions.
"This", said the Professor, 'is a time machine."
"Of course it is", said Boro, "and I have a fusion reactor in my basement."
There were several laughs.
"I expected no less", said Professor Inzil. "So here's a demonstration". He strode over to the door to the central chamber and pressed a button beside it. It opened. The room inside was quite small, no bigger than a large bathroom. There was nothing inside it, but a half-sphere bulged from the ceiling. There were several foot-long rods jutting from it, and from the walls.
The Professor picked up a small cage from among the general clutter, and withdrew a white rat.
"Here you go, my beastly", said the Professor, and set the creature on the floor in the chamber. He then shut the door, and pointed to a set of buttons on the console, all glowing green.
"This", he said, "is where the action is, so to speak. The number keys allow you to input your destination, which is displayed here." He pushed buttons, and an LED readout above showed that day's date, with a time one minute in the future. He then pressed the largest of the buttons, in the center. "Gzzthktkk!", came a loud noise from the chamber.
"What did you do to it?", cried Sally.
"Sent it into the future. It'll be back in one minute. Have a look in there." He went to the door and opened a cover of a round window like a porthole, covered in safety wire. They all crowded round.
"It's gone!", exclaimed Fea. There were murmurs from the group.
"Ok, let's say you aren't totally insane, and you aren't having us on", said Lottie. "Why do you need us? And what exactly are you going to do?"
"I intend to go back in time to 1969 and buy the movie rights myself", was the reply. That's why I chose this location. Tolkien lived in Poole then, and that isn't all that far from here. I can't do it alone though; I need some assistants to go with me, and some to stay here and monitor the equipment."
"Gzzthktkk!' from the chamber made all but the Professor jump. They looked into the porthole again.
"It's back!", exclaimed Pitchwife.
"Told you so", said the Professor.
"Wow!", said Shasta. "You could do all kinds of things! Like take an I-POD back and sell it for lots of money!" The Professor looked affronted.
"Never!", he said. "I didn't build it for personal gain. Besides, electronic objects don't seem to transport. They, well, break. He picked up an object from the floor. It was burned-looking, but appeared to have been a digital watch.
"I tried to use this while experimenting", he said, "but it didn't do so well. "I'm not sure why."
"You could still do other things", said skip. "Like prevent the Titanic from sinking."
"Or stop the assassination of JFK", said Nerwen.
"Or keep Lady Gaga from having a music career", said Lottie.
"Those are good ideas, especially the last one", said Professor Inzil. "And other things will come. Think of this as a trial run."
"The ad said something about a reward", said Shasta.
"Ah, well, about that, I can't exactly pay you all. Your reward will be the honor of being part of all this!" Seeing the looks on some of their faces, he added, "I'll feed you while you're here, and you have bedrooms prepared upstairs. Nice ones! Go ahead and take your bags and claim one. This used to be a writing school, so there's room to spare. The stairs are through there, and the door
opposite is the kitchen. There's plenty of food here, enough for weeks, so help yourselves! Fair warning, though," he added as they moved to pick up their luggage, "If you brought cell phones and such, they won't work here. Nor internet. It might be something to do with the ionic fields. And there's no phone service. I never had it installed."
Mumbling, the group trudged away.

[Inziladun]

After dinner, everyone was again grouped around the time machine.
"I intend to get seriously cracking on this tommorow", said Professor Inzil. "Anyone have any questions before bed?"
Several hands shot up. "Yes?" he said, pointing at skip.
"I'm not sure about this", said skip. "What if we just leave?" Others nodded in agreement.
"You can't, I'm afraid".
"Why not?", replied skip heatedly, over the sound of many murmurs.
The Professor sighed. "The only way out is the door we entered through. It's on a timer, and it won't open until the time's up."
"When will that be?", demanded Wilwa.
"Only I know", replied the Professor. "Like I said, it's all for security purposes. I've had serious threats because of the way I've been so critical of the movies. There's a lot of money tied up in them, and there are those who think I'm too outspoken. And it doesn't help that I've tried before to destroy the movie industry's ability to exploit Tolkien's work."
"What did you do?", asked Lottie.
"It isn't important. But because of those past incidents, I wanted this project to be as safe and secure as possible. There are lots of safeguards. For instance, any attempt to tamper with or destroy the machine, without first performing a small action, will likely result in a tremendous explosion." He looked at the group's faces, satisfied. "What else would you like to know"?
"What does the machine use for fuel?", asked The Elf-warrior.
Professor Inzil laughed. "Oh, I'm not telling you that just yet! It's actually made from several ingredients that are fairly cheap, and easy to come by. I've got enough for what we need to do. I can make more with no problem when necessary. Anything else? Yes?" He pointed at Nerwen.
"Where did you get the money to do all this?", she asked.
"Well, ummm..."
"And how did you figure out how to build a time machine?", inquired Boro. The Professor looked nonplussed.
"There are perfectly good answers to those questions, but I'm afraid they'll have to wait for another time. Good Night! See you all in the morning!"

IT IS NOW NIGHT 1. Wolves may discuss, Seer may send me a dream-pick.

[Inziladun]

Time To Get Down To Business

It was now very late, so late that it was early.
Professor Inzil was walking around the time machine, checking various things. Every so often he made a note for himself on his micro recorder. He went behind the apparatus and picked up a 5 gallon clear plastic container resting against the wall. Written upon it in black Sharpie marker was the word "FUEL". He carried it to the machine, to a round port curiously also marked "FUEL". He removed the canister's lid and poured the contents into a round aperture in the machine. A reddish-orange liquid flowed out. He poured the entire can into it, thinking that it would be enough for what they needed. That was the entire stock of fuel, but, as he'd told everyone, it wasn't exactly difficult to compound. He closed the Fuel Port and watched as the needle above it swung over from "DEP", which meant "depleted", over to "OPT", which meant "optimal".
He set down the can and once again took out his recorder. "Note to self," he began "Make more fuel."
Before he could press the recorder's "STOP" button, he started as he heard a stealthy sound behind him.

IT IS STILL NIGHT 1

[Inziladun]

The early sun was shining brightly outside, but inside the house it might as well have been midnight. No friendly sunshine pierced the walls and windows of that secret enclave in the countyside.
The "guests" (who at the moment thought of themselves more as conscripts) were walking downstairs, quietly talking of yesterday's strange events. They had seen or heard no sign of Professor Inzil since the previous evening. Some of the party went into the kitchen to find something for breakfast. Others assumed the Professor was probably in the dining room with the time machine, and went there first. Those in the kitchen heard yells from the dining room, and quickly followed their sound. What they found in the dining room was most disturbing.

The Professor lay motionless on the floor beside the machine, with many people huddled closely around him. There was drying blood on the side of his head, and a quantity of it on the floor beside.
Shasta knelt down and checked the Professor's pulse. After a few moments, he shook his head.
"He's dead!" There were several gasps.
"What happened to him?", asked Sally.
"Look! There's more blood on the edge of that console!", exclaimed Aganzir.
"That would explain how he died", said Eomer. "But how did this happen"?
A sliding sound and a "Thump!" made them all jump. They looked down, then were relieved.
"Someone kicked the Professor's little recorder, that's all", said Fea.
The idea seemed to occur to them simultaneously that it might contain clues to what had befallen the Professor, and several hands reached for the device. Greenie came up with it, and pressed "Play". The button immediately popped back up.
"It must be at the end", said Wilwa. "Rewind it." After doing so for a few moments, Greenie pressed "Play" again.
"Note to self", said the Professor's voice. "Make more fuel". Then there was a gasp.
"Oh! You startled me! What are you three doing up? Insomnia? I understand that you're eager to get this going, but you really must get some sleep. I...hey! What are you doing? Let go!"
They heard the sounds of an apparent struggle, then a "Thud" sound, followed by a more final sliding sound which told them the Professor was then going down for the count.
Footsteps could be heard walking away, more than one set. The sound of a door opening and closing, then silence.
As the group stood there, three of their number gazed upon their work with inner satisfaction.
Three others had secret thoughts of their own.

One of them thought of the dream xe'd had last night. Xe had had clairvoyant dreams before, and they'd never led xem wrong. Now, xe felt certain xe had some powerful insight to help find the killers.

A second person was torn with pity and anger. How could xe have let this happen? Xe decided then and there that xe would do whatever was in xyr power to stop whoever it was from killing again.

A third onlooker did not have such benevolent thoughts. Xe had been furious when the Professor informed them they would not be paid, and xe felt wronged. Now, dark words ran through xyr mind.
"Serves him right. He shouldn't have lied to us. Anyway, I did like the movies."
Xe made up xyr mind that even though xe wasn't willing to kill the way this had been done, xe would do what xe could to help whoever was responsible.
"Maybe they'll reward me!", xe thought.

And the rest just wondered what to do next.

IT IS NOW DAY 1. Away we go. Wolves stop PMing.

The Living
Nerwen
Pitch
Wilwa
Shasta
Sally
Lottie
Greenie
skip
Boro
The Elf-warrior
Fea
Eomer
Agan

The Dead
Professor Inzil- Head full of knowledge cracked open Night 1

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Poor Professor... I was looking forward to going back in time. Haha, looking 'forward' to go 'back'.

In any case, let's get the ball rolling, shall we? I'd like to accuse the lovely Fea for no real reason other than that she's pretty. Defend yourself!

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

I'd like to accuse the lovely Fea for no real reason other than that she's pretty. Defend yourself!

It's not my fault. I haven't even shampooed my hair in like two days. My cuticles are ragged and I'm sure my mascara's probably done that smudge-at-the-corner-of-your-eyes thing because I'm too lazy to wash my face before bed like a good human ought to do.

I'd like to blame Agan for nothing in particular and tell her specifically that I'm a wolf.

[wilwarin538]

I'd like to accuse the lovely Fea for no real reason other than that she's pretty. Defend yourself!

Ha, it amuses me that this is not the first time I've heard someone use 'she's pretty' as a reason for suspicion. ;)

So than our situation: we're trapped in a house with a bunch of psychos who actually liked the LotR movies, and we can't just put someone in the time machine and send them back so they can see who did this, because the only one who knew how to use the machine is dead. Well....that's not so bad....at least we have food....*whimpers*


Anyway, I'll be back in the morning and should be around a lot.

x'ed with Fea, and I love that we both made Genevamoot references. :D

[Loslote]

we can't just put someone in the time machine and send them back so they can see who did this, because the only one who knew how to use the machine is dead.

Just because it'll almost certainly result in an explosion doesn't mean we can't try! After all, three of us are evil anyway - let's make them try it! So...who wants to confess?

[Boromir88]

Do you think it can be converted to be a useful teleportation machine? All these machines, time, teleport, washing, operate on the same equipment. It's just a matter of doing some re-arranging of wires.

[The Elf-warrior]

I doubt it, Boromir. As far as I know, the machine always stays in one place as it travels through time. Therefore, unless we have a super genius like Rodney McKay of Stargate Atlantis here, I'd say we're stuck. But remember, where there's life there's hope, and good thing we've got vittles.

[Loslote]

I doubt it, Boromir. As far as I know, the machine always stays in one place as it travels through time. Therefore, unless we have a super genius like Rodney McKay of Stargate Atlantis here, I'd say we're stuck. But remember, where there's life there's hope, and good thing we've got vittles.

If all we needed was a super genius, we'd be home free. As it happens, we need a super genius who we can trust - different story entirely.

[satansaloser2005]

Just because it'll almost certainly result in an explosion doesn't mean we can't try! After all, three of us are evil anyway - let's make them try it! So...who wants to confess?

To wolvery, or to being awesome?

Okay, you caught me. I'm pretty much amazing.


Are we lynching people for that now? :eek:



ETA: x'd since the post I quoted. And okay, okay, I get the hint. But can I rest before I hop in my TARDIS and save the Day?

[Loslote]

To wolvery, or to being awesome?

Okay, you caught me. I'm pretty much amazing.


Are we lynching people for that now? :eek:

Yes. ++Stan The Amazing.

:Merisu:

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Alas! How wretched it is for such a noble, if technically insane, man to meet such a diabolical end. Who are these fiends among us?

Well, I obviously didn't do it. Any chance to go back in time and alter the Wargs and the Ents to appropriate levels of awesomeness is, for me, the chance of a lifetime! Anyone else with such an alibi? We've got a whole lot of Downs movie posts to catch up on...

[Nerwen]

I doubt it, Boromir. As far as I know, the machine always stays in one place as it travels through time. Therefore, unless we have a super genius like Rodney McKay of Stargate Atlantis here, I'd say we're stuck. But remember, where there's life there's hope, and good thing we've got vittles.

No, no we'd only need to travel back to a time when Professor Inzil was still living. Or, in case he didn't believe us, back further, before he set the timer on the door. Or into the future, after it expires.

Of course, this is probably just wishful thinking– I'm sure whoever murdered him thought of this already, and has sabotaged the machine.

[Boromir88]

I'd like to blame Agan for nothing in particular and tell her specifically that I'm a wolf.

I'm a smelly armpit pickle! At least it's a good smell.

[Aganzir]

I'd like to blame Agan for nothing in particular and tell her specifically that I'm a wolf.
Good, so am I. So sorry I didn't show up last night.

Ha, it amuses me that this is not the first time I've heard someone use 'she's pretty' as a reason for suspicion.
Last time I heard it, they were wrong.

I, on the other hand, would like to blame Shasta for my own special reasons, and apologize to the rest of the village if I don't make sense - playing does feel different when you've met more than half the village in person. Also, I think Greenie's way of phrasing things looks forced, and I disagree with Fea on the significance of day 1. Oh and guess what skip? I would've finished writing this post about half an hour earlier if I hadn't got stuck watching BWO/Army of Lovers videos on Youtube. Åååååh the bells of freedom!

Anyway I would like to remind everybody that the seer's dreams can't be trusted 100% because she sees the cobbler as an ordo, even if the cobbler counts for us in the tally. Etc.

[A Little Green]

All right folks - just to be fair I think we could cut the inside jokes. Thanks. Those and the speculation on the nature of time machines aside, what have we got? (Clue: not much. :rolleyes: ) So, erm, I think I should now proceed to saying something noncommittal and obvious about the rules or the number of wolves or the size of the village, or else make some complex calculations. I won't.

I can't really read anything into the posts that have been posted this far, but I'm sure they'll come in handy later. This far, no one is really standing out as innocent if not over-fishy, either. The thing is, everyone is looking slightly fishy at the moment. What is more, what I've said is no more useful to the game than the inside jokes I was complaining about. Argh. I'll be back in a bit, hopefully with something to say.

Oh, and Lommy asks me to say hi from her to all of you. :)

[Aganzir]

Inzil - looks like me so can't be evil. Oh wait he wasn't. Therefore, because I look like him, I can't be evil. On the contrary, I'm rather clever and might prove useful if we try to use the machine (oh where's Legate when you need him?).

Shasta - the first to post which is always a sign of wolfishness. Trying to butter Fea up, or alternatively wolfish banter.

Fea - also posts early which supports the theory of her and Shasta being wolves (they were obviously around just before the day started). Admits being a wolf, and based on past experience I'm inclined to believe her.

wilwa - either genuinely clueless or just bluffing when saying the only one who knew how to use the time machine is dead. I mean, how do you know Inzil didn't have very precise instructions written down somewhere?

Lottie - asks who wants to confess while totally ignoring the fact that Fea just did. Looks cobblerish behaviour to me. Also, who of us do you think is a super genius?

Boro - suggests we turn the time machine into a teleportation machine. And that way there's obviously no chance at all that we can go back and buy the movie rights. Wolf. His post about being a smelly armpit pickle is sure to contain secret hints, and I can only add "Yes, pickles smell fantastic, but when it comes to armpits, it depends."

Elf-Warrior - talks of other fandoms which means he can't care too much for Tolkien and doesn't therefore care whether the movies get made or not.

sally - gets the hint, which is always mighty suspicious.

Eomer - is sorry about Inzil's face. That means he's feeling guilty about it. Is very quick to defend himself and is jumpy before even accused.

Nerwen - talks about the machine being sabotaged which never occurred to me. Looks like a wolf who knows too much. However last time I played I made her mad and now I'm scared of her so I will refrain from suspecting her for now. Like, for this post.

Pitch - yay I get to play with him at last!

Greenie - as I said I think her posts look forced, as if she was just trying to look helpful without actually being.

skip - weird arguments, slightly suspicious.

GUILTY
Shasta
Fea
Boro
Eomer
Greenie
skip
Lottie (more likely the cobbler)
Elf-Warrior (more likely the cobbler)

INNOCENT
Nerwen

EITHER
wilwa
sally
Pitch

[Aganzir]

what I've said is no more useful to the game than the inside jokes I was complaining about.
I don't really think we can avoid inside jokes. I mean, the whole Barrow-Downs is full of them, and naturally WWers have even more. Now it just happens that lots of people met each other in the summer which led to more jokes for the time being. I made inside jokes when I commented on you & skip's playing styles before you had even posted, only those are jokes everyone that has been playing WW potentially knows. And if there had been a newbie playing, I wouldn't have let it stop me doing it.

Besides, even if inside jokes feel annoying, they aren't completely useless. Imagine I was the seer and dreamed of wolf!you. Not wanting the wolves to turn their attention to me, I could say "A Little Green is all innocent, truly indeed" and if Lommy was playing, she would know I wasn't quite so convinced that was the case. ;) (That's something that has to do with our RPG.)

[skip spence]

Okay, I could easily lynch Agan for her poor taste in Swedish music. Or Eomer, because I'd never trust a man with a kilt (you know that whole underwear situation :eek:). Or Fea, for wearing stilettos. No woman of honest intentions would do that. Or Greenie, for trying to make me fat. But somehow it doesn't seem fair...

So a kind request: could someone please do something suspicious before I get back from work? Okay?

[Nerwen]

Nerwen - talks about the machine being sabotaged which never occurred to me. Looks like a wolf who knows too much. However last time I played I made her mad and now I'm scared of her so I will refrain from suspecting her for now. Like, for this post.
:D That is all.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Or Fea, for wearing stilettos. No woman of honest intentions would do that.

I think you have the wrong word, darling. I have never been anything but completely honest about what I intend to do while wearing stilettos. I am very forthright.

Also, as a casual point to me being one of the first posters, you realize that the DL is at the exact time I'm most likely to be curled up in bed in my pajamas, cuddling my lap top every night? It's habitual. By around 8:30, I'm hanging out in bed doing schoolwork or messing around online, and my doggy conks out on the floor next to my bed. So yep, I'll probably be around at DL most of the time.

Agan, darling, I see what you've done there with your list of guilty and innocent. I'm amused. You seem to have left yourself off the list entirely. But then, you already said you were a wolf. :p

[Aganzir]

Okay, I could easily lynch Agan for her poor taste in Swedish music.
It was Lommy's fault! Last night I witnessed how her opinion on Army of Lovers changed from "they're horrible!" to "I can't stop watching this video!"

So a kind request: could someone please do something suspicious before I get back from work? Okay?
I'm a wolf rawrrr! Happy?
Seriously though, I really don't like it when people complain about no one acting suspiciously enough. Many people seem to find it more difficult to come up with suspicions when they're wolves themselves (I, however, am not one of those people - I always find suspecting others easy). It's just something I've seen. :p

So yep, I'll probably be around at DL most of the time.
Ahhaa the wolf is giving excuses for being online at deadline! Tsk tsk.

I'm amused. You seem to have left yourself off the list entirely.
I considered listing myself under the Innocent headline but figured my list would appear more objective if I didn't include myself, and because these are serious matters it's best not to play around too much.

[Boromir88]

All right folks - just to be fair I think we could cut the inside jokes.
Why are you rubbing the back my head so evilly!? :p

Shasta - the first to post which is always a sign of wolfishness. Trying to butter Fea up, or alternatively wolfish banter.

Shasta butters you up just by looking at you! :D

His post about being a smelly armpit pickle is sure to contain secret hints, and I can only add "Yes, pickles smell fantastic, but when it comes to armpits, it depends."

Armpits are ordinary (if shaved).
Pickles are ordinary food items.
My armpit pickle smells pleasant.
Get the hint now?

Also, as a casual point to me being one of the first posters, you realize that the DL is at the exact time I'm most likely to be curled up in bed in my pajamas, cuddling my lap top every night? It's habitual. By around 8:30, I'm hanging out in bed doing schoolwork or messing around online, and my doggy conks out on the floor next to my bed. So yep, I'll probably be around at DL most of the time.
That is a rather...exhaustive...explanation if all you're saying is that you will probably be around at the DL most of the time.

Time for my own exhaustive explanation of how I went the wrong way. DL works more perfect than I thought. When our cracked professor gave the GMT time, I added 4 hours, thinking...shoot this is going to mean DL is 5 am for me, looks like somewhat early voting. However, I needed to subtract!

[Pitchwife]

This situation seems all too familiar somehow. When will I ever learn not to accept invitations by mysterious Tolkien enthusiasts? The last one turned out to be a former Vala out of BoLT in disguise, this time we've got your typical mad scientist (although his intentions were certainly laudable, don't get me wrong) - what's next?
As for finding the culprits, isn't it blatantly obvious? I mean, who would have the best motive to stop the Professor from accomplishing his plan - who but the hellish triumvirate that was responsible for those wretched movies and made loads of money by mangling Tolkien's plot and characters? No idea how they managed to sneak in here, but they must still be in this house - so let's find them and see that justice is done for this crime and their many others. This is our chance to at least make sure that Peter Jackson won't direct The Hobbit!

OK, what have we got?
- Shasta is guilty of making lame jokes;
- Fea and Agan have both confessed to being wolves, trusting that we'll dismiss that as inside jokes; shame on whoever thinks of signalling to the cobbler, I suppose?
- Greenie says she won't say something obvious and noncommittal and with her next breath does exactly that;
- Lottie's untypically laid back and non-pot-stirring;
- Nerwen, on the other hand, is typically laid back and inscrutable;
- wilwa doesn't really say much, but doesn't display the fake optimism which is her wolvish trademark;
- sally confesses to being amazing (which tells us nothing new) and gets mysterious hints;
- Eomer uses Downs movie posts as an alibi, which is plain meta-reasoning;
- Boro apparently is an armpit pickle with a degree in engineering, quite an enigma;
- TEW watches too much TV and is blandly optimistic;
- skip seems content to banter and wait for things to happen.
So where do we go from here?

[satansaloser2005]

To clarify, before this "I get the hint" thing gets too out of hand....

If all we needed was a super genius, we'd be home free. As it happens, we need a super genius who we can trust - different story entirely.

I was replying to that, hence my request that I sleep before I save the world. ;)

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

I'll have to vote now as I'm not sure I'll be back later. Yeah, it'll be my worst ever Day One participation but there you go. I might be able to nip in again right before DL.

But let's get a vote on the table, and get the discussion flowing, eh? :smokin:

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

++A Little Green

Her post seemed the most obviously nice and 'let's get down to business'y - obviously something a wolf could do to look respectable and not overly jokey.

Yeah, it's a snap decision.

[wilwarin538]

To clarify, before this "I get the hint" thing gets too out of hand....


Haha, we're all just so used to you with all your 'I know something you don't know' and other such hintings.

All right folks - just to be fair I think we could cut the inside jokes. Thanks. Those and the speculation on the nature of time machines aside, what have we got? (Clue: not much. :rolleyes: ) So, erm, I think I should now proceed to saying something noncommittal and obvious about the rules or the number of wolves or the size of the village, or else make some complex calculations. I won't.


Aww, but those are all the things that make Day 1s oh so much fun. ;) And if we had a game with a time machine and no one bantered about it, I'd be very disappointed, cause time machines rock.

But seriousness than. I think Eomer's vote is pretty good (not that I necessarily agree with it). But usually votes this early in the game are just random or based off some strange meta reasoning, but he actually had a legitimate reason, and I approve.

And I agree with this:

Seriously though, I really don't like it when people complain about no one acting suspiciously enough. Many people seem to find it more difficult to come up with suspicions when they're wolves themselves.

Though on Day 1s I tend to be more understanding of lack of suspicions (since sometimes not much happens), but Day 2 and on, it's definitely fishy if someone has no suspects.

Lottie's untypically laid back and non-pot-stirring

And there was no song, I miss Lottiepop's songs. She should do this one (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p8sZcmQr6KY). :Merisu:

[skip spence]

I have never been anything but completely honest about what I intend to do while wearing stilettos.

Trying to walk relatively straight and upright? Or perhaps sitting down with the shoes in sight, preferably? ;)
I am very forthright.
Yes, admitting to being a wolf is indeed very forthright, dear. Or did you think that would make us think that you are not?

It was Lommy's fault! Last night I witnessed how her opinion on Army of Lovers changed from "they're horrible!" to "I can't stop watching this video!"
Yes, I'm sure you are just an innocent victim of circumstances beyond your control. :rolleyes:
I'm a wolf rawrrr! Happy? Yes. Two down, one to go.


Eomer's vote is interesting, kind of. Did seem like an innocentish reason, not saying the hunch is correct.

But remember, where there's life there's hope, and good thing we've got vittles.
Who exactly has got... vittles?

I'll go out for a bit soonish but should be back in maybe 4-6 hours!

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Trying to walk relatively straight and upright? Or perhaps sitting down with the shoes in sight, preferably?

Sitting down. Some shoes are made for walking, and that's just what they do, but if you wear stilettos, they'll walk all over you... if you don't sit down. With the shoes in sight. Occasionally one can pull of standing around in a museum or gallery, or perhaps cocktail party, wherein one is not expected to walk a great deal and can concentrate fully on balance and posture.

Yes. Two down, one to go.

Ah, therein lies the rub. Who's the third? (And the first and second?)

[Shastanis Althreduin]

One of those reasons has got to be 'who but a wolf could fit thirty little green grapes in between their jaws!', right?

No?

Okay then.

Moving on.

Greenie has been really the only one to try and get things moving - I probably won't vote for her today. I could easily vote for Lottie, though - she's said next to nothing which is entirely unlike her.

[Nerwen]

Yes, admitting to being a wolf is indeed very forthright, dear. Or did you think that would make us think that you are not?
You are thinking too simplistically, my friend. If either of the parties claiming to be wolves are, in fact, wolves, it'd be more like a quadruple-bluff. At least. You see, it's not that saying "I'm a wolf" makes you look innocent because a wolf wouldn't say that. It's more like because everyone knows a wolf might say it as a double-bluff, but then again probably wouldn't, just because everyone knows about double-bluffing. Which once again gives the wolf a reason to say it. Etc, etc.

Mind you, no matter what stage of this infinite regression of bluffing we happen to be at, in the end a player is either a wolf or not.

EDIT:X'd with the fire of my heart.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

She for whom the moon doth shine, what dost thou think of Eomer's vote?

[Aganzir]

Armpits are ordinary (if shaved).
Pickles are ordinary food items.
My armpit pickle smells pleasant.
Get the hint now?
Boro's armpits last time I saw them = not shaved = not ordinary.
And some people find pickles extremely bad. Like Greenie (at least I seem to remember she didn't want to eat one so she gave it to me a few days ago). I think they're good though.
So yes I think I get the hint. ;)

Fea and Agan have both confessed to being wolves, trusting that we'll dismiss that as inside jokes; shame on whoever thinks of signalling to the cobbler, I suppose?
Of course I can't speak for Fea, but what I'm doing (besides having fun) is making things more difficult for the cobbler. If everybody keeps telling they're wolves it will be more difficult for her to spot the real ones. Not that she's too likely to succeed in that, anyway, as she doesn't have a way to contact them in secret, but still.

Her post seemed the most obviously nice and 'let's get down to business'y - obviously something a wolf could do to look respectable and not overly jokey.
Actually, she's always more or less like that, and that's why I always suspect her. (Usually I turn out to be wrong.) But she's definitely one of the easier suspects...

But seriousness than. I think Eomer's vote is pretty good (not that I necessarily agree with it). But usually votes this early in the game are just random or based off some strange meta reasoning, but he actually had a legitimate reason, and I approve.
I don't think it was particularly good-looking because as I said Greenie's style makes her quite easy to suspect, but then I do acknowledge it's only day 1 and he had to vote early.

Though on Day 1s I tend to be more understanding of lack of suspicions (since sometimes not much happens), but Day 2 and on, it's definitely fishy if someone has no suspects.
Exactly. And it's not only the fact that he didn't have suspects but he was also kind of flaunting it - saying "please could you be more suspicious so I have an excuse to suspect you" is always very apologetic, as if he thinks if he's the first to point out he doesn't have suspects, others will not accuse him of it.
However I also came to think it might be the cobbler's hint to the wolves: "Could you do something to help me identify you? Pretty please?"

One of those reasons has got to be 'who but a wolf could fit thirty little green grapes in between their jaws!', right?
Now that you mention it, maybe, but I was rather thinking you might not want to hurt Peter Jackson (unless he wanted it). :)

[A Little Green]

I don't really think we can avoid inside jokes. I mean, the whole Barrow-Downs is full of them, and naturally WWers have even more. Now it just happens that lots of people met each other in the summer which led to more jokes for the time being. I made inside jokes when I commented on you & skip's playing styles before you had even posted, only those are jokes everyone that has been playing WW potentially knows. And if there had been a newbie playing, I wouldn't have let it stop me doing it.Of course we can't completely avoid inside jokes, they are bound to come up and it isn't a problem if they do, but I just think there were a little too many of them around and it wasn't really fair anymore.
But seriousness than. I think Eomer's vote is pretty good (not that I necessarily agree with it). But usually votes this early in the game are just random or based off some strange meta reasoning, but he actually had a legitimate reason, and I approve.Agreed, his vote looks reasonable.
I don't think it was particularly good-looking because as I said Greenie's style makes her quite easy to suspect, but then I do acknowledge it's only day 1 and he had to vote early.Really? Generally I tend to get Night-killed for not being suspected by anyone at all. And seriously, I've never heard anyone say my style makes me an easy suspect. Therefore I'm not sure I buy your argument, either.
Greenie has been really the only one to try and get things moving - I probably won't vote for her today. I could easily vote for Lottie, though - she's said next to nothing which is entirely unlike her.Ah, I disagree about both myself and Lottie. My effort at giving the village a nudge forwards was abysmal; and as for Lottie, well she admittedly hasn't said much on topic but who had, at the point when she posted? Why single her out? Is it that unusual for her to banter super early on Day 1 when nothing has really happened yet?

Just in general, then. I agree with Wilwa a lot and disagree with Agan a lot. Old news? Ploughing on, then - Pitch's post made me chuckle aloud at my screen, but apart from summarising everyone else's more or less unfruitful contributions to the game it didn't really say much. Eomer looks pretty innocentish. My hunch would say the same about Shasta, but then again I've long ago lost count of the times a Shastawolf has fooled me completely and I have sworn never to trust him again.. :rolleyes:

[Pitchwife]

Hmm, that was a hasty vote by Eomer, based on a single post, but that post basically said nothing very substantial in a self-conscious way, so I think I see where he's coming from.

On the other hand, I'm still worrying about those possibly multiple-bluffing "I'm-a-wolf" jokes by Fea and Agan - especially Fea, who seems to think that writing a user manual for stilettos is of paramount importance, compared to the trivial matter of wolf-catching (yes, I know, it's all very much like her - so what?); Agan slightly less, as she has at least bothered to give some half flippant / half serious opinions on the rest of the world.

skip is still walking the line between inside banter and getting on topic game-wise... I probably won't be awake when he comes back, so I hope I'll hear more from him toMorrow.

wilwa is getting more involved and looks OK so far.

No read on Shasta and Nerwen yet. And finally, there's an appalling amount of people dozing under my caribou (sally, Lottie, Boro, TEW - OK, only four, but that's enough). This is some quiet village.

EDIT: x-ed since #36.

[Boromir88]

Of course I can't speak for Fea, but what I'm doing (besides having fun) is making things more difficult for the cobbler. If everybody keeps telling they're wolves it will be more difficult for her to spot the real ones. Not that she's too likely to succeed in that, anyway, as she doesn't have a way to contact them in secret, but still.


Quite an interesting strategy, because from your first post I was going to ask if your putting in an application for cobblery. I didn't think about doing that.

In Fea's case, impossible to tell. Because just when I have the fortitude to declare, yep this time she's an ordo who's just attempting to entertain and have some fun, she winds up a wolf. In your case, you are looking innocent in comparison to Fea's "I have no clue." Also, you clearly want to take the lead in this game, which makes me smile, because if innocent this is good news for us, if a wolf, I will catch you slip soon enough and you know it. :p

My computer wants to go into update and run virus scan mode, it always starts up at around this time. It's going along very sluggishly, so for now will have to go into a sketchy, unlit corner, until it finishes.

Edit: crossed with Pitch and Greenie

[Aganzir]

Agreed, his vote looks reasonable.
Wait, he votes for you and you call it reasonable? :p

Really? Generally I tend to get Night-killed for not being suspected by anyone at all.
It's ages since I've played actively but last time I participated in a game, Lottie was after you all the time. Plus I'm always suspicious of you. But now that you said it I do remember your getting night-killed pretty often, too. It's just that because you're one of my most common suspects, I automatically assume everyone else finds you fishy as well, but because I'm wrong about you most of the time I get suspicious when others suspect you. If you know what I mean. ;)

Ah, I disagree about both myself and Lottie.
Me too. I am of the opinion my contributions were much more substantial than Greenie's. ;)

[A Little Green]

On the other hand, I'm still worrying about those possibly multiple-bluffing "I'm-a-wolf" jokes by Fea and AganJust to make sure you know - the "I'm-a-wolf" jokes are another inside joke. :rolleyes:
Wait, he votes for you and you call it reasonable?Yes, I do. He gave reasons for his vote that looked sound from his perspective.
I am of the opinion my contributions were much more substantial than Greenie's. ;)Oh really? Four posts that consist mainly of the infamous inside jokes. I can definitely see what you mean. :p

Anyway, it's my bedtime about now (I have to get up ridiculously early for work), which means, obviously, that I need to vote in a bit.

[Pitchwife]

Of course I can't speak for Fea, but what I'm doing (besides having fun) is making things more difficult for the cobbler. If everybody keeps telling they're wolves it will be more difficult for her to spot the real ones. Not that she's too likely to succeed in that, anyway, as she doesn't have a way to contact them in secret, but still.
I see. Next thing you're probably going to suggest we all confess to be wolves and lynch those who don't, right?
I'm not sure I'm convinced by that explanation - sorry, but I've become a little paranoid about that kind of over-obvious jokes; you can blame our resident expert on multiple bluffing (aka Nerwen) for that (*cough Yay!Go wolves! cough*).

Ah, I disagree about both myself and Lottie. My effort at giving the village a nudge forwards was abysmal; and as for Lottie, well she admittedly hasn't said much on topic but who had, at the point when she posted? Why single her out? Is it that unusual for her to banter super early on Day 1 when nothing has really happened yet?
No, that's not at all unusual, but in the past she's quite often actively nudged the game out of the banter phase into some serious discussion, hence my comment about her being untypically non-pot-stirring this time. However, she said on the Admin thread that she'd have limited time for participation, so that's nowhere near voteworthy for me.

(x-ed since #40)

[Aganzir]

On the other hand, I'm still worrying about those possibly multiple-bluffing "I'm-a-wolf" jokes by Fea and Agan
Either we're wolves or we aren't - there's a 50-50 chance!

This is some quiet village.
Yes but that was to be expected - after all we're only 13. Of course it's sometimes nice to play in a big and noisy village, but games this small are also really refreshing (and besides this is much better for my schedule, not the least because chances are good enough I'll be dead before I have to start playing a host).

Quite an interesting strategy, because from your first post I was going to ask if your putting in an application for cobblery. I didn't think about doing that.
I'm so clever. ;)

Also, you clearly want to take the lead in this game, which makes me smile, because if innocent this is good news for us, if a wolf, I will catch you slip soon enough and you know it.
No you won't! :smokin: Whoops I mean...

Just to make sure you know - the "I'm-a-wolf" jokes are another inside joke.
If it is, it should be one that most WWers share. Yes, it happened when we played real life werewolf, but it wasn't really anything new or unheard of. (However my apology for not showing up last night was a Geneva-related joke - one of the wolves apparently misread their role so there were only two of them.)

Yes, I do. He gave reasons for his vote that looked sound from his perspective.
When I'm innocent, I always get wary of people who suspect me. Why? Because I know for sure they're suspecting an innocent. It's all the information I have so it's all I can base my own thoughts and suspicions on. You have to start from somewhere, and it's easier to use the things you actually know as a basis.

I'm not too worried about Fea at the moment (I'll start paying closer attention to her when she starts paying closer attention to the game, that is on day 2). I'm slightly concerned about skip and Eomer, but I'd rather wait and see (at least a few hours :p) because my points against them aren't very big. I'm torn about Greenie but that's nothing unusual. And I'd like to see sally and EW post more. The rest of you haven't really left an impression.

Tea-time!

[Pitchwife]

Just to make sure you know - the "I'm-a-wolf" jokes are another inside joke.
I supposed as much, and a lot of people playing in this game would know that and therefore dismiss them as being exactly that; which is why it could be a safe way of hinting to the cobbler, couldn't it?

[A Little Green]

No, that's not at all unusual, but in the past she's quite often actively nudged the game out of the banter phase into some serious discussion, hence my comment about her being untypically non-pot-stirring this time. However, she said on the Admin thread that she'd have limited time for participation, so that's nowhere near voteworthy for me.All right. I can see now, I think, where Shasta was coming from.. But then again, Lottie's only posts are really ridiculously early, so not nudging the game on at that time seems pretty natural.
Either we're wolves or we aren't - there's a 50-50 chance!Eh? Count your percentages again, will you, dear? You will find that half the village aren't actually wolves. :eek:

When I'm innocent, I always get wary of people who suspect me. Why? Because I know for sure they're suspecting an innocent. It's all the information I have so it's all I can base my own thoughts and suspicions on. You have to start from somewhere, and it's easier to use the things you actually know as a basis.I can see your point, though I don't necessarily think that way myself. I get wary of people suspecting me if their arguments are far-fetched; but generally I'm more suspicious of people who are pronouncedly trying to get in my good books.
Tea-time!Check your watch, girl, it's bed-time here!

EDIT: x-ed with Pitch

[A Little Green]

I supposed as much, and a lot of people playing in this game would know that and therefore dismiss them as being exactly that; which is why it could be a safe way of hinting to the cobbler, couldn't it?Ah. I see what you mean.

Also, it's more than about time I went to bed (my alarm clock will go off in too few hours), so I'll vote

++ Fea

Since I really don't suspect anyone more than I suspect everyone, I'm going after someone who has
a) posted many times (including after the full banter-phase ended) and hardly any of it on topic or non-joking - I know what her views on the importance of Day 1s are but still
b) a smug tone (yeah I know she always does)
and c) confessed to being a wolf. Now I know it could well be just innocent Fea joking about what she did in Genevamoot, but it just struck me that while I'm not sure that particular joke would have occurred to an innocent Fea, I'm pretty sure it would have to a Feawolf.

I'm not sure if I'm making sense, but regardless of that, I need to be off to bed now. Sweet dreams!

[Aganzir]

Mmm yerba-mate. :cool:

I see. Next thing you're probably going to suggest we all confess to be wolves and lynch those who don't, right?
I'm not sure I'm convinced by that explanation - sorry, but I've become a little paranoid about that kind of over-obvious jokes;
Hahaha no, but if I had actually ended up suggesting something like that, I would've kept pursuing it and possibly even semi-suspected people who refused to do it. Sometimes I'm stubborn like that. :p

I usually like to adopt a role or two on day 1 if I'm an ordo. At times I keep making seerish comments (because it's better if the wolves think I'm the seer and attack me. It's actually quite funny that I should think so because I'm not a huge fan of gifteds) and sometimes it's nice to be the cobbler. I might get more serious when the game moves on, or I might not. I don't really know what kind of me is the most annoying to play with. ;)

I supposed as much, and a lot of people playing in this game would know that and therefore dismiss them as being exactly that; which is why it could be a safe way of hinting to the cobbler, couldn't it?
As far as you can say there exists any way a wolf could drop hints to the cobbler safely. Even if it seems like a joke, it's bound to draw attention - especially if you do it early on day 1 when you know there's very little actual substance yet and people go after anything that's even mildly suspicious. If I was a wolf I wouldn't want to risk getting suspected for leaving hints to the cobbler, simply because I don't think the cobbler is worth it. She's just one more player and doesn't have any special ability. (However I could say I'm a wolf even if I actually were one, just for the fun of it - but I can also do it as an innocent.) In any case, I think you're making the issue sound bigger than it actually is. It's fine if you want to suspect us because we revealed as wolves, but it's a strain to keep claiming we did it because we wanted to alert the cobbler. Of course I don't know about Fea's motives, but I simply don't think it would be worth it.

Eh? Count your percentages again, will you, dear? You will find that half the village aren't actually wolves.
It makes perfect sense - if the answer can only be yes or no, there's obviously a 50% chance for each! ;-)

Check your watch, girl, it's bed-time here!
My watch clearly says it's tea-time.

[Pitchwife]

Anybody who consumes mate at this time of day must preparing for Nightly activities. Highly suspicious!:p

For me, it's time to prepare for my rendezvous with the bedbugs, so...

Kidding aside, Agan's posts apart from the early joke thing look fair enough - active and speaking her mind, as far as I can tell. Same for Greenie's later posts since her comeback.
The only other person who has really stuck out for me toDay is Fea, and at the moment it looks like she'll get my vote. Never mind the cobbler-hint theory, but she's made three rather conspicuous posts which are so content-free and studiedly inscrutable that she might as well be a submarine; plus she elaborately explained her early posting (in reaction to Agan's 'suspicion', which didn't look very serious to me), which seems over-defensive. So that's my best bet for toDay:

++Fea

Good Night.

[Loslote]

And there was no song, I miss Lottiepop's songs. She should do this one (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p8sZcmQr6KY). :Merisu:

When I get the chance, I will. :p

Ah, I disagree about both myself and Lottie. My effort at giving the village a nudge forwards was abysmal; and as for Lottie, well she admittedly hasn't said much on topic but who had, at the point when she posted? Why single her out? Is it that unusual for her to banter super early on Day 1 when nothing has really happened yet?

Only when there are people around to banter with.

Agan, Greenie, Boro, Pitchie, and Sally look pretty normal. No one else jumped out at me as noteworthy...my joke about voting Zil is beginning to look more plausible. :rolleyes:

Other than that, I don't have much to say, and I have to go soon. I'll be back in a couple hours or so.

[Aganzir]

Anybody who consumes mate at this time of day must preparing for Nightly activities. Highly suspicious!
Interestingly enough, I became really tired. Now I'm probably just going to vote and when I go to bed I'll lie there staring at the roof, my mind racing. (If that happens I'll probably just come back. :p)

Anyway even though we've managed to avoid the quiet/loud discussion thus far, I'm going to throw in my two cents.

This is a small village. It means it's going to be much quieter than in the bigger games. While it makes it easier to pay attention to everybody, it also means we run out of loud players faster. I seem to remember talking to some of you about why I don't like quiet players, but to recap: it's unfair to everybody. I've been innocent in a game where a quiet wolf led the wolves to victory because no one paid attention to them, but I've also been a wolf in a game where the seer who had barely 10 posts on day 4 outed half my pack, myself included. Not fun. Thus, in lack of a real suspect, I think I'm going to vote for either sally or EW.

I'm too lazy to make a real list, but I'm going to keep an eye on our European males (Pitch, skip, Eomer, and yes I think you can count Greenie among them ;)). I'm not entirely happy about what is possibly going to turn into a Feawagon because 1) it's day 1 and 2) she's Fea, so it's pretty much impossible to tell her role so early. Personally I just don't see saying "I'm a wolf!" as a sufficient reason to lynch somebody. ;)

++sally

Sorry hun but I know I'm going to get frustrated later on if you top the post count with half your posts being jokes.

[satansaloser2005]

Aaaand I'm back! My internet is being rubbish but I'll read up the best I can and be back soon. :D



ETA: x'd with Agan. Thanks, love. I was at work, by the way. :(

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

The only other person who has really stuck out for me toDay is Fea

You say 'toDay' like I don't stand out all the time. Saying that I stand out is like saying that my name is Fea. We already know this to be true.

she's made three rather conspicuous posts which are so content-free and studiedly inscrutable

Just because you can't read the alphabet doesn't mean those squiggly lines and dots don't tell a story, dear. I've already determined the trustworthiness of at least one player based on those three conspicuous posts. And I say trustworthiness in a, "Yes I said I'm a wolf, but only because being an ordo is boring," sort of way. I have no proof, but I have a conditional hunch.

plus she elaborately explained her early posting (in reaction to Agan's 'suspicion', which didn't look very serious to me), which seems over-defensive.

I'm not over-defensive, I'm just elaborate. You can really expect nothing else of somebody that's so well known for being 'The Beautiful Lady Without Mercy' that I was granted a second personal title just to broadcast it to people who might not have gotten the original memo.

I mean really, dear, saying I stand out is like calling the sky blue and pretending that's abnormal.

Still, I'm going to reserve the right not to fault you for it.

My list currently looks like

Probably Not Evil:

Pitch
Agan
Vanilwa
Boro

Everyone Else:

Probably Evil

[Shastanis Althreduin]

After reading, I don't see Pitch voicing any particular suspicion of Fea, so for him to say that she's the only one that stuck out to him seems odd to me. Especially after Greenie's vote. I'm not sure that a Pitch-wolf would be clumsy enough to bandwagon so shamelessly, but it's all I have to go on so far. Deadline is in four and a half hours or so, correct? I'm really bad with timezones.

[satansaloser2005]

After reading, I don't see Pitch voicing any particular suspicion of Fea, so for him to say that she's the only one that stuck out to him seems odd to me. Especially after Greenie's vote. I'm not sure that a Pitch-wolf would be clumsy enough to bandwagon so shamelessly, but it's all I have to go on so far. Deadline is in four and a half hours or so, correct? I'm really bad with timezones.

Um, honey, I think it's in like an hour and fifteen minutes.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Um, honey, I think it's in like an hour and fifteen minutes.

Oh dear. Okay, so that's 7pm for me. Fair enough, I can make that.

[wilwarin538]

These two:


However I also came to think it might be the cobbler's hint to the wolves: "Could you do something to help me identify you? Pretty please?"


I supposed as much, and a lot of people playing in this game would know that and therefore dismiss them as being exactly that; which is why it could be a safe way of hinting to the cobbler, couldn't it?

But see both of those hints (Fea and Agan's "I'm a Wolf" and Skip's "someone do something suspicious") would be disregarded by a cobbler/wolf just as easily as we are disregarding them as reasons for suspicious, and therefore a wolf/cobbler wouldn't bother trying. Since Fea and Agan out right saying they're wolves would just be taken as a joke by most people, why would the cobbler think it was hint, it's too out in the open to be taken seriously. And Skip's 'someone act suspicious please' is something that someone says at least once every game, it's just a common little phrase we say sometimes, and therefore a wolf wouldn't take that as a cobbler hint either.

Besides, with a seer and ranger around that can do more harm than a cobbler can do good, I doubt the wolves care enough about them to risk hinting. Cobbler's only usually come in handy for the wolves at end game when they can swing the votes for a win, until then, since they don't know each other, they can't be a lot of help to them and are therefore not worth the risk of hinting.


Ah, I disagree about both myself and Lottie. My effort at giving the village a nudge forwards was abysmal; and as for Lottie, well she admittedly hasn't said much on topic but who had, at the point when she posted? Why single her out? Is it that unusual for her to banter super early on Day 1 when nothing has really happened yet?


Lottie does just banter a lot at the beginning, and she was around early enough that it made sense for her to do just that, if she was still bantering when everyone else had turned serious, then that would be strange, but that wasn't the case here.


I'll be back in a bit.

x'ed with sally and shasta, and now I'm confused about the DL

[satansaloser2005]

Nerwen is evil. Always. Or she's the seer. Either way, let's lynch her, because she'll end the game far too quickly. ;)

Pitch's case against Fea puts him on my hit list, because....well, it's just not quite right somehow. I'll agree with what Shasta said a few posts above, and add that I do think a Pitch-wolf could do that, because it would be too obvious to be so. That and we know how tricksy he can be. :rolleyes:

Wilwa is sweet, but I have to say, the wicked vibes coming from her make me think my muffin may be a little past her sell-by date. I'll look at her closer and see why I'm getting that feeling.

Shasta seems....strange to me somehow. I'll take a look at his posts and see if it's just my tired brain or if there's really something there.

Sally is sweet, innocent, and gives people cute nicknames. Don't kill her. That'd be stupid.

Lottie isn't giving off much to me. I think she's probably innocent.

Greenie doesn't like the in-jokes, which I can understand, but she seems overly fixated on them to me. I'm trying to decide if it's a natural dislike of meta or if she has a more specific reason to not want people communicating covertly. I'll be keeping a close eye on her, to be sure.

Skip is sadly not giving off vibes to me. I'm not voting him, but I'm not trusting him either. That said, I'm happy he's playing of course!

Boro is up to something, as always. Need to figure out what it is before I shove him off a cliff, as he may be completely innocent. But if the cobbler turns up dead come Morning....o_O

Elf hasn't said enough for me to judge guilt or innocence. Not getting my vote.

Fea is getting a lot of unhealthy attention. Nothing unusual there, but the bandwagon (because that's what it is!) forming against her is fishy. Regardless of Fea's role, I don't like to see this kind of rather simple voting, especially toDay.

Eomer is always talking about his wargs and stuff, thus he must be evil. Or just silly. Really, though, I think he's all right, at least for now. We'll see.

Agan is standing out to me, and I'll completely admit it's mostly a knee-jerk because of her vote for me. She knows I have a job, and that I can't post during my work time. I don't expect her to consider all the meta, because that ruins the game, but to say she wants me dead before I can joke around, when I haven't even begun to do so, is really odd, especially for her. It seems like she's trying to get rid of me before I can sort out what she is. And the fact that I'm getting that feeling gives me the feeling that whatever she is, it isn't good. However, as I said, part of that is knee-jerk (though I would have said it had she opportunity voted for anyone else as well) so while she'll remain higher on my BOLO list, I will not be voting for her toDay, alas.


Basically, my suspects for toDay are Pitch, Muffin, and Greenie, with Shasta coming in at fourth. Agan is a leader too, but I'm trying to step back from my suspicion because I know part of it is me protecting myself. Also, I'm rather hoping I just pinned the entire wolf pack and will be able to rub it in some faces again. :p



EDIT: x'd with my snuggle muffin

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Extremely, extremely odd, considering that you actually agree with me about Pitch. Very fishy, m'dear.

[skip spence]

I doubt it, Boromir. As far as I know, the machine always stays in one place as it travels through time. Therefore, unless we have a super genius like Rodney McKay of Stargate Atlantis here, I'd say we're stuck. But remember, where there's life there's hope, and good thing we've got vittles.Okay, I'm back and as I should have been in bed hours ago I gotta take a quick shot from the hip (and in all fairness any vote at this point is just that).

The Elf-Warrior has only made one post so far but there's just something about the timing and the subject matter and the phrasing of that post that seems a bit sinister to me.

Especially the last part, which I highlighted. There's something potentially euphemistic about that phrase. Possibly veiled wolfish banter. Only one way to find out:

++The Elf-warrior

[satansaloser2005]

Extremely, extremely odd, considering that you actually agree with me about Pitch. Very fishy, m'dear.

Just because we agree on Pitch doesn't mean I trust you. I'm just sayin'.

[Loslote]

Pitch's case against Fea puts him on my hit list, because....well, it's just not quite right somehow. I'll agree with what Shasta said a few posts above, and add that I do think a Pitch-wolf could do that, because it would be too obvious to be so. That and we know how tricksy he can be. :rolleyes:

Wilwa is sweet, but I have to say, the wicked vibes coming from her make me think my muffin may be a little past her sell-by date. I'll look at her closer and see why I'm getting that feeling.

I dunno about Pitchie. As Pitchwolf, he's generally Mr. Agreeable with a vague sort of "wise man" air about himself. I haven't seen that so far. If anything, he's been jumping into conflict a teeny bit.

As for Vanilwuffin, I'm beginning to have a pattern of always suspecting her Day 1, so I'm not bothering her until toMorrow.

The Elf-Warrior has only made one post so far but there's just something about the timing and the subject matter and the phrasing of that post that seems a bit sinister to me.

Especially the last part, which I highlighted. There's something potentially euphemistic about that phrase. Possibly veiled wolfish banter. Only one way to find out:

Personally, I think it's just banter. It came early in the Day and I think someone else had even mentioned food in their banter post earlier.

Fea doesn't look all that bad to me, and I don't really see where this bandwaggon is coming from. Is there something other than the "I'm a wolf" joke post that I'm not seeing?

I'm witholding any ideas about Shasta for the moment - I'll keep an eye on him, but I'm going to wait to actually suspect him.

Oh, and I'm sort of here now.

EDIT: xed with Sallycakes.

[satansaloser2005]

++Pitch


Yeah, sorry, I know, quiet. Talking to my mum and super busy now.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Fea doesn't look all that bad to me, and I don't really see where this bandwaggon is coming from. Is there something other than the "I'm a wolf" joke post that I'm not seeing?

It's quite simple, really. Everybody knows that Fea is Teh Vary Bad Eevle all the Tiem.

And if she's not Teh Vary Bad Eevle, then we're better off lynching her, just in case!

[wilwarin538]

Fea doesn't look all that bad to me, and I don't really see where this bandwaggon is coming from. Is there something other than the "I'm a wolf" joke post that I'm not seeing?


Not really, they seem to be wanting to vote for her for being Fea. She's always fun to keep around for a while, so I'd prefer not to see her become an 'easy' lynch on the first Day.

And I'm going to regret that I had said I don't like when people have no suspects....since at the moment I have no suspects. :rolleyes:

When is DL exactly? About an hour?

x'ed with Fea, haha

[Inziladun]

When is DL exactly? About an hour?

Exactly 52 minutes.

[Boromir88]

I've made it back, and shall be here 'til DL tonight, there may be some nights where I'll have to vote uber early, but not tonight.

And I quite love small, simple villages. Little to catch up on, and no plot twists to spend the day debating, exploding up page counts. Granted it means I can't say some controversial thing that gets most everyone talking about me, as it's more just come in throw out a few jokes, random suspicions, vote, then wrap it up. But, makes for a relaxing change after some craziness.

[satansaloser2005]

Exactly 52 minutes.

Blimey. What?!

0100GMT=7pm here, which was twenty minutes ago. Abigail even tells me so! Hence my vote.


(No, I'm not really cross, I just feel dumb for misunderstanding the deadline.)



EDIT: x'd with Boro. And by "hence my vote" I of course mean hence the timing/rushed nature of my vote.

[Inziladun]

Blimey. What?!

0100GMT=7pm here, which was twenty minutes ago. Abigail even tells me so! Hence my vote.



(No, I'm not really cross, I just feel dumb for misunderstanding the deadline.)

Aren't you in CDT? That should be GMT -5.

[satansaloser2005]

Aren't you in CDT? That should be GMT -5.

Yeah, I know. Abigail was set to the wrong GMT, or whatever thingiemabob. Fixed now. o_O


On the plus side, that's almost a better DL for me. *headdesks anyway*


Now I have time for more thoughts! Allow me to collect them and I'll return.

[Loslote]

Bleh. I went through the thread, giving people checks under "wolf", "cobbler", and "innocent", and now the person I suspect most is also the person I trust most. :rolleyes: Agan, thank you for confusing me. :p

Anyways, the only people who got checks under "wolf" are Agan, Vanilwuffin, and Boro. Boro also has three "innocent" checks, however, while Vanilwuffin has one "innocent" check. The only other people of note were Fea, who got a whopping four "cobbler" checks and one "innocent" check, and Eomer and TEWie, who got nothing. I might vote for one of them for being so quiet.

[wilwarin538]

Exactly 52 minutes.

So, how tired I must be: I started writing a post along the lines of "Yay, a suspect, Inzil doesn't contribute all day and when he shows up all he does is give us the DL time". And then I realised why. :rolleyes:

xed with Sally and Lottie

[satansaloser2005]

So, how tired I must be: I started writing a post along the lines of "Yay, a suspect, Inzil doesn't contribute all day and when he shows up all he does is give us the DL time". And then I realised why. :rolleyes:

xed with Sally and Lottie

Bahahahaha! Muffin, I love you!

~~Cupcake~~



Boro's last post looks weird. Or is just my zapped brain?



Also, I've gone entirely too many posts without making gratuitous Doctor Who references. I swear, I'll improve.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

++Elf

Not because I particularly suspect her (I reserve opinions until Day 2, as everyone knows) but because I have nobody better to vote for and because with a village this small, odds are solid that if I threw a rock I'd hit a wolf. And because she's quiet, and you can't analyze a statue.

[Inziladun]

So, how tired I must be: I started writing a post along the lines of "Yay, a suspect, Inzil doesn't contribute all day and when he shows up all he does is give us the DL time". And then I realised why. :rolleyes:

Can't even escape suspicion when I'm dead. :p

Current Vote Tally

Eomer--> Greenie (1)

Greenie--> Fea (1)

Pitch--> Fea (2)

Agan--> Sally (1)

skip--> The Elf-Warrior (1)

Sally--> Pitch (1)

Fea--> The Elf-Warrior (2) (I think he's a "he", by the way. ;))

[Loslote]

++Elf

Not because I particularly suspect her (I reserve opinions until Day 2, as everyone knows) but because I have nobody better to vote for and because with a village this small, odds are solid that if I threw a rock I'd hit a wolf. And because she's quiet, and you can't analyze a statue.

Isn't TEWie a him?

Also, Vanilwuffin? Your post was win. Insanely hilarious win. :p

EDIT: xed with Sir Mod God Of Epic Wonder

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Isn't TEWie a him?

Well let's just label me a non-observant failure. I was thinking I was playing with TheGreatElvenWarrior. My humble apologies, The Elf-Warrior. My bad.

[Boromir88]

Anyways, the only people who got checks under "wolf" are Agan, Vanilwuffin, and Boro. Boro also has three "innocent" checks, however, while Vanilwuffin has one "innocent" check.


I've got good marks! Woot!

Hopefully this post doesn't come too late, let me try to organize my thoughts here. I betch I'm gonna cross with people, but with how we're getting down to the wire I can't guarantee reading it before making my vote.

No lynch Fea today. Possibly playing sacrificial wolf, since she figures to be an early seer dream, but I'm detecting more innocence than Fea throwing herself to the gallows. When she thinks she's had enough fun, and caught most the attention, if innocent she'll more than likely step back and I'd love to see her around then. If a wolf, she'll sacrifice herself first among her other packmates knowing she's an early seer target. I'm a gonna write this off as an innocent Day 1 pass.

No lynch Agan either, she highly active today, and I like it. I think I've already explained well enough about her in an earlier post.

No lynch Pitch either. Look, before you lot consider rushing to Fea's defense here, just remember Pitch might not be too familiar with many of our playing habits. If I had only a few games with Fea I would be following. That is, his logic makes sense for someone who may not be familiar with all of our habits. You see someone say I'm a wolf and then banter about stilettos, you saying that's not reasonable logic to vote someone? So, before rushing onto Pitch to be Fea's savior, think about that.

[satansaloser2005]

Well let's just label me a non-observant failure. I was thinking I was playing with TheGreatElvenWarrior. My humble apologies, The Elf-Warrior. My bad.

I've made the same mistake on more than one occasion. Don't fret about it. :)

*snuggles you*

Now then, to business. Lottiepop, what were your checks based upon? Care to share?

EDIT: x'd with Boro....again! :o

[wilwarin538]

Ok, so half the people have voted, and they are spread over 5 people: Greenie, Pitch, Fea, Sally and TEW. I'd rather not add another name into the mix, since it would be a bit of a throwaway, and since I don't have a real suspect this will give me a direction to go, so I'll likely go with one of those five.

Not Fea, cause I think that's silly, she tends to be more useful after Day 1s are out of the way.

Not Sally, because she amuses me, and I'm getting good vibes right now.

I feel ok with Greenie I think, but am rather clueless about Pitch and TEW. So I may go for one of those two. I'll read through their stuff quickly.

x'ed since Lottipop

[The Elf-warrior]

Apology accepted. However, I feel compelled to vote for...

++Feanor

It's a matter of self preservation, mah dear.

[Loslote]

Now then, to business. Lottiepop, what were your checks based upon? Care to share?

Anything that jumped out at me as innocent, wolvish, or cobblerish, I marked down. It wasn't a very sophisitcated system at all. :p

As for the voted people, I won't vote Pitch (he's my second most trusted person, apparently). Not Sally or Greenie, either...and almost definitely not Fea. TEWie it probably is, then...

EDIT: xed with TEWie, and maybe more people, since I haven't checked to see who ended the last page yet.

[satansaloser2005]

I feel ok with Greenie I think, but am rather clueless about Pitch and TEW. So I may go for one of those two. I'll read through their stuff quickly.

x'ed since Lottipop

I'd prefer holding off on Elf, since he's not been here in hours. I'd hate to lynch him in his absence, at least on Day One. It could end really poorly.

EDIT: x'd sine Muffin's quoted post. Ah, the prodigal Elf appears....

[Boromir88]

Apology accepted. However, I feel compelled to vote for...

++Feanor

It's a matter of self preservation, mah dear.

The votes are spread out enough where surely you could have gone with someone else maybe a little suspicious other than "for self-preservation"

Now you are forcing my hand to you or Fea, and you weren't someone I said "no lynch."

[wilwarin538]

I'd prefer holding off on Elf, since he's not been here in hours. I'd hate to lynch him in his absence, at least on Day One. It could end really poorly.

Yeah, once I went back and realised his only posts are one banter and a vote, I really don't want to. And I feel quite good about the girls on the line,
so that leaves me with:

++Pitch

x'ed with Boro

[Loslote]

++Elf

Sorry, TEWie. :(

[Boromir88]

++Elf-Warrior

Edit: crossed with Lottie.

[Inziladun]

DL. Silence.

[satansaloser2005]

The votes are spread out enough where surely you could have gone with someone else maybe a little suspicious other than "for self-preservation"

Now you are forcing my hand to you or Fea, and you weren't someone I said "no lynch."


This. You didn't have to vote for Fea, you chose her because she was an easy target. There wasn't self-preservation on your mind there.



EDIT in advance: x'd with the mod?

EDIT #2: Yup. Rubbish interwebs. *grumbles*

[Inziladun]

All day the group had discussed ways to escape their unfortunate predicament.
Various plans had been posited, such as figuring out a means to convert the machine to allow simple distance transportation, or traveling back to when the Professor was still alive. The base problem remained though: even if they tried to use the machine to travel as a group, Someone would be obliged to stay behind to operate it. Who would it be? Knowing there were killers among them, the party was not too keen on being at the total mercy of someone who might use the machine to do who knew what.

As they debated, they heard a muffled ringing sound coming from behind the machine, on the far side of the room from the door to the stairway and kitchen. Cautiously, they peeped around the far end of the machine's computer consoles in the direction of the noise.
There was a door back there, too, slightly ajar. They walked over to it and pushed it open. Inside, there was a very small room that might once have been a pantry. In it now were a bed, and a tiny desk covered in papers, notebooks, and spiral binders. An old-fashioned alarm clock on the desk was revealed as the culprit of the noise.

"The Professor was a late sleeper", said Sally, turning it off.

"Look at this stuff!", said Fea. "I guess those are his notes and things."

"There's probably some useful info here, but it would take weeks to look through all this," said Nerwen.

The Elf-warrior picked up the notebook nearest the door. It had the distinction of
being on top of the general clutter. He leafed through it.
"Hm," he said. Most of this isn't even legible. Listen to this, though: 25 Feb- Trnspt process must NOT be interrupted once begun. Harmonic vibrations... can't read that part....pol. rvrsl....destruction!."

"So don't try to stop the traveling once you start it. Important safety tip there," observed Shasta.

"The only other thing I can read is this," said the Elf-Warrior. "03 Mar- Inter. phenom with field harmonics- cause subj to declare truth on whatever's on their mind. During expmt, found myself confessing my deep infatuation w/ Kate Winslet. Only obsrvd just b/f trnsprt harmonics cnvrge at point to init travel."

"So, right before you go, you tell the truth about what you're thinking about?", asked Wilwa. "Hmm."

The Elf-Warrior passed the notebook around, but no one else was able to read any more of the Professsor's jottings. There appeared to be nothing else of immediate interest in the room.
They filed out, closing the door behind them.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Discussion continued for hours more.
In the end, only one alternative presented itself: to try and eliminate the killers
and hope that in the mean time the door to the outside opened.
"How do we do it, though?", wondered Lottie.
"We don't have to kill one another, do we?", asked skip.
"How would we go ahead executing someone anyway"?, inquired Fea.
"We could use the machine to send them away. Even if they're still alive in some other time, they'd be away from us, and that's the main idea, isn't it?" said Boro.
"That's a pretty good idea", said Sally, slowly nodding."Plus, we could have a way of knowing if we send one of the killers or not.'
All agreed that was the best option.
So the question became who would be the first to go.

They decided to settle the question democratically, with each giving a vote for one of the party.
By that manner, it was decided that The Elf-warrior would be sent away.

"You're making a mistake!" he cried. "I didn't kill anyone!".

"Get in there!", said Fea. "It isn't as though we're killing you."

They backed him into the chamber door. Once he was inside, it was shut with a clang.

"Right then," said Lottie. Which button was it?"

"The big one in the middle, I think," replied skip. "but we need to enter a time, don't we?"

"How about 1000? Nice round number," said Fea. She pressed the numbered buttons and a readout above flared up with an LED, showing "1000".

"Here goes," said Boro. He pushed the center button.

As the machine cycled up and began to hum, the Elf-warrior began to yell loudly.

Instead of confessing anything, he said "You're all going to die! My friends will....." His voice sounded strangely metallic., and became crazily disjointed.

"Movies! protect......kill....you......merchandising.....ca sh cow.....aggkkk......."

His voice became weaker and weaker, but there was no sign of the "Gzzthktkk" sound they'd heard when the Professor transported the mouse. Finally, there was silence from the chamber.

"What just happened?", whispered Nerwen.

They crept to the porthole in the chamber and slowly peeked inside.

The Elf-warrior was lying on the floor. Smoke boiled out of his ears and nose. The machine did not transport electronic objects, the Professor had said.
They were looking at a robot.

The Living
Nerwen
Pitch
Wilwa
Shasta
Sally
Lottie
Greenie
skip
Boro
Fea
Eomer
Agan

The Dead
Professor Inzil- Head full of knowledge cracked open Night 1
The Elf-Warrior-Robot Killer (wolf)- Fried like foil in a microwave Day 1

Night 2 has begun. Wolves may PM and send a kill. Seer and Ranger may send a pick.

[Inziladun]

The still form of The Elf-warrior had been removed from the transport chamber, and the inoperable mechanoid had been placed in the bedroom it had claimed.
Unfortunately, no clues as to the identities of its mates had been found, either on it, or in the bedroom.

"Robots!", Lottie had exclaimed as they'd looked on the deactivated killer. "This is like a bad movie or something."

"Even Uwe Boll wouldn't come out with something this cheesy," commented Eomer.

"Sure he would,", said Sally.

Shaking their heads, they all left the dining room, full of their own thoughts and fears.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Much later, the two WOLFs (Worker Optimized for Lifeform Finishing) conspired and vented their frustrations to one another.

"That was a bad day", said one. "How'd they know"?

"Beats me," said the second. "What now"?

"Well, we already agreed that there couldn't be any witnesses to all this. Let's keep on with the plan: we'll take out one while they're off guard each night, and help them put each other in that blasted machine by day. After they're all gone, we can figure out how to destroy the stupid thing and go back home."

"Good deal," said the other. "Who sounds good tonight?"

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

In another room, the self-appointed guard was tinkering with xyr IPOD, using tools xe'd found in the dining room.

Good thing I used to work at Radio Shack, xe thought. Those things are probably not gonna stop coming after us, but I think I know a way to mess with them. If I can modify this to emit an EMP pulse, it should interfere with their thinking for a few seconds, and that could help their target to escape.

Xe finished, and closely examined xyr work.

Looks good, xe said to xemself, satisfied. It'll only be good for one use at a time, though, since that pulse will put a massive drain on the batteries. And it'll have a very short range. I'll have to make a good guess about where they're going to strike, or it won't affect them.

Xe decided who xe thought might be a likely target for the robots, and set about patrolling that area.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Shasta got out of bed in the wee hours of the morning thinking he would go down to the kitchen and look for a snack. He was only half-awake, and didn't notice that two figures had quickly recoiled into the shadows when he exited. About to enter his room, they decided to follow him.
Shasta padded into the kitchen and opened the refrigerator. He never saw the raised hand made into a knife-edge which sliced down into his neck. He fell unconcious. His attacker dragged him to the door of the large walk-in freezer, while its companion opened the freezer door. Noting with glee that the door had no handle on the inside, the mechanical fiend pulled Shasta inside. The other adjusted the thermostat, which was helpfully on the outside wall, to -20° C. For good measure, he was doused with water before the door was shut fast.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~

The next morning, when the group began preparing breakfast, Shasta's lifeless body was found next to the frozen fish.

The Living
Nerwen
Pitch
Wilwa
Sally
Lottie
Greenie
skip
Boro
Fea
Eomer
Agan

The Dead
Professor Inzil- (mod) Head full of knowledge cracked open Night 1
The Elf-Warrior- Robot Killer (wolf)- Fried like foil in a microwave Day 1
Shasta- (ordo)- Made into a Shastacicle Night 2

It is now Day 2.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Is it bad that though I'll super-miss Shasta, I love the word 'Shasticle'?

[satansaloser2005]

Is it bad that though I'll super-miss Shasta, I love the word 'Shasticle'?

I concur on both counts. My poor darling. :(

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

I suppose they'll have to update the nicknames list now...

Pity he died, since I'd have put Shasticle on my list of people I don't think are outright eeeeeves.

Anyway, my current line of thought is along the lines of:

Not evil:

Wilwa, Sally, Boro, Agan

No opinion:

The rest of you.

[Loslote]

I pretty much trust Agan, Pitchie, Sally, and Boro, in that order. Wilwa's looking more evil than anyone else at this point, but she's still not looking excessively so.

And I agree with Shasicle being rather excellent.

[Boromir88]

Shasta was someone I had as unknown, at this time, so thanks wolves for taking care of one question mark. :D

RIP buddy, you died with honour.

[satansaloser2005]

Shasta was someone I had as unknown, at this time, so thanks wolves for taking care of one question mark. :D

RIP buddy, you died with honour.


Boro is strangely cheery about this. o_O

Also, meta, since when are you British? :p

[satansaloser2005]

Also, might I say that I'm relieved to have been proven wrong about lynching Elf possibly being a bad idea. I hate to ambush someone, especially on Day One, but for once it turned out (as did he, right before he died :p).

I'm busy tonight filling my nose with dust particles but I hope to be active a bit later, and then the last few hours of the Day as usual.

[Boromir88]

Boro is strangely cheery about this. o_O

Also, meta, since when are you British? :p

I'm just saying if it was someone I had formed a pretty solid, favourable opinion on, such as Eomer or Fea, it would have been bigger damper.

Barring we have a ranger with some good wits, someone's going to die each night, and it's helps me out more if they take care of people I've formed no solid conclusions on (the question marks) than one's I've had.

[satansaloser2005]

I'm just saying if it was someone I had formed a pretty solid, favourable opinion on, such as Eomer or Fea, it would have been bigger damper.

Barring we have a ranger with some good wits, someone's going to die each night, and it's helps me out more if they take care of people I've formed no solid conclusions on (the question marks) than one's I've had.

Fair enough, I just found it a little weird, that's all. :)

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

People Shasta talks about:


'accuses' Fea for "no real reason other than that she's pretty."
points out that Greenie's the only one to try to get things moving
points out that Lottie's quietness is very out of character and that he may vote for her
asks 'she for whom the moon doth shine' what she thinks of Eomer's vote (for Greenie); as a side note, I'm not at all certain who this question was directed to, and I've been wondering if he meant me
notes that Pitch's suspicion of Fea seems sudden and forced, since he hadn't mentioned any suspicion prior; not sure Pitchwolf would be clumsy enough to bandwagon so shamelessly
points out that it's odd that Sally agrees with him about Pitch being wolfy and trying to bandwagon FeaNote: Shasta does not vote

People Who Interact with or mention Shasta:


Fea: lazily argues that his assessment of her physical beauty is shoddy, since she's not all that, blah blah blah.
Wilwa: points out that Shasta's suggestion that Fea is pretty is not original
Agan: 'blames Shasta for [her] own special reasons' (citing that playing is different once you've done it in person with your co-village); jokes that Shasta's first post means he's evil (which is a traditional first Day joke); points out that his banter with Fea is either buttering her up or two wolves playing; says Shasta doesn't seem to want to kill Peter Jackson;
Boro: says that Shasta butters people up just by looking at them;
Pitch: says Shasta's guilty of making lame jokes; claims he has no read on Shasta;
Greenie: says she's lost count of the number of times Shastawolf has totally fooled her; notes that she can understand Shasta's suspicion of Lottie, but that she understands Lottie's lack of participation at that point;
Sally: corrects Shasta's mistake about DL; says Shasta seems 'strange'; agrees with Shasta that Pitch's suspicion of Fea seems bogus; ranks Shasta in 4th place on her suspicion list
Lottie: specifically reserves judgment on Shasta---

Now, it's possible that the wolves killed Shasta for a multitude of reasons.

Either Shasta seemed like the Seer, or he didn't.

If he did, that makes Fea and Pitch look suspicious. Fea because he accused her at all (for being pretty), but mostly Pitch, since Shasta's suspicion of him was based on Pitch's attempts to discredit Fea.

Since it was attempts to discredit Fea that made Pitch look bad to Shasta, that suggests that Shasta didn't actually believe Fea was bad.

If Shasta was killed for looking Seerish, this exonerates Lottie, since Shasta said she might be the cobbler, and the wolves would not know who the cobbler is, nor would Shasta-seer be able to actually tell the difference between cobbler and ordo. Ie: if Lottie was a wolf, she wouldn't think Shasta is seer for claiming she might be cobbler. Ie: If Shasta died because the wolves thought he was seer, it means that Pitch is a wolf and Lottie is not.

If Shasta wasn't killed for looking like the seer:

It means that he was killed either to make somebody look bad, or not to make anybody look bad.

If he was killed to make somebody look bad, it would make Aganzir, Greenie, and Sally look poorly due to their comments about him, and it would make Pitch and Lottie look poorly due to his comments about them. If he was killed to make non-wolves look bad, it means that the remaining wolves are most likely within this group: Nerwen, Wilwa, skip, Boro, or Eomer. There is a corollary here that the wolves may have wished to direct suspicion toward themselves so as to hide in the open. Since those who look bad due to the death of Shasta are Agan, Greenie, Sally, Pitch, and Lottie, one must try to decide if any of them are likely to double bluff (answer: yes).

If he was killed as a trail-less to make nobody look bad, on the other hand, it could be anybody.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Something I think I forgot to add to that last post is what I actually think...

Which is that I'm assuming Shasta was killed to be 'trail-less', since all arguments for or against end up being, "Yeah, it's obvious it was totally this person! (Or that one)."

[Boromir88]

Which is that I'm assuming Shasta was killed to be 'trail-less', since all arguments for or against end up being, "Yeah, it's obvious it was totally this person! (Or that one)."

I noticed that too! :p

[Nerwen]

(...)Now, it's possible that the wolves killed Shasta for a multitude of reasons.

Either Shasta seemed like the Seer, or he didn't.

If he did, that makes Fea and Pitch look suspicious. Fea because he accused her at all (for being pretty), but mostly Pitch, since Shasta's suspicion of him was based on Pitch's attempts to discredit Fea.
*applauds Fea's objectivity*

...explores various reasons why Shasta might have been killed...

Thing is, the immediate question isn't so much "why was my shining jewel killed?":( as, "why wasn't one of the EW voters killed?"


The Elf-Warrior Voters

1. Skip.
Okay, I'm back and as I should have been in bed hours ago I gotta take a quick shot from the hip (and in all fairness any vote at this point is just that).

The Elf-Warrior has only made one post so far but there's just something about the timing and the subject matter and the phrasing of that post that seems a bit sinister to me.

Especially the last part, which I highlighted. There's something potentially euphemistic about that phrase. Possibly veiled wolfish banter. Only one way to find out:

++The Elf-warrior


2. Fea.
++Elf

Not because I particularly suspect her (I reserve opinions until Day 2, as everyone knows) but because I have nobody better to vote for and because with a village this small, odds are solid that if I threw a rock I'd hit a wolf. And because she's quiet, and you can't analyze a statue.


3. Lottie.

++Elf

Sorry, TEWie. :(

Lottie's reasons are given at #71.
The only other people of note were Fea, who got a whopping four "cobbler" checks and one "innocent" check, and Eomer and TEWie, who got nothing. I might vote for one of them for being so quiet.


4. Boro.

++Elf-Warrior

Edit: crossed with Lottie.

Boro's reasons are given at #84.
The votes are spread out enough where surely you could have gone with someone else maybe a little suspicious other than "for self-preservation"

Now you are forcing my hand to you or Fea, and you weren't someone I said "no lynch."

Comments: If Elf had turned out innocent, this would have looked like one blatant, eeevilll bandwagon. Boro's vote is the only one with even a remotely adequate reason behind it. I find it interesting that all four of these people are still alive, actually. You'd think they'd all look like Seers!

Conclusion? I'd say the wolves probably had either a particularly good reason for killing Shasta, or for not killing any EW-voters (the latter reason would likely be "one of them's a wolf"). Of course, it's possible they just couldn't make up their minds who looked the most dangerous, or else wanted to avoid the Ranger.

I have to go out now, but in the meantime, here's yesterDay's votes for your general perusal:

Day One votes

Known wolves in italics, known innocents underlined.

Eomer--> Greenie (1)

Greenie--> Fea (1)

Pitch--> Fea (2)

Agan--> Sally (1)

skip--> The Elf-Warrior (1)

Sally--> Pitch (1)

Fea--> The Elf-Warrior (2)

The Elf-Warrior--> Fea (3)

Wilwa––> Pitch (2)

Lottie––> The Elf-Warrior (3)

Boro--> The Elf-Warrior (4)

Didn't vote: Nerwen, Shasta.

EDIT: X'd since Fea at #101.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Hello everyone. I hope to contribute much more today. It will be in two stages: the first, pretty sporadic, as I'll be trying to post when I think no-one at work is watching me; but probably in more detail tonight.

Right, I was pleasantly surprised to see we bagged a wolf on Day One - more so because I was convinced EW was innocent! Looking back at the chain of events, the lynching of EW seems suspicious (I see Nerwen has already made similar comments today). I just couldn't see it - why all those votes for, to my mind, innocuous behaviour? And lo and behold: wolf dead.

Food for thought, anway.

Excuse me if I missed it (the Downs deleted one of my posts a week or so ago - can you believe that?) but I didn't see a vote from Shasta.

Actually, the annoying thing about EWolf being dead is that there's so little record of any interaction. Not a lot to go on, but maybe something will stand out.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Ok, just seen Nerwen's list. Thanks.

Will go over Shasta's posts at work. Hopefully it's quiet today. :D

[Loslote]

Right, well, participation from me is going to be hopefully a bit more than yesterDay, but still not that much. So a list:

Looks best:
Agan
Pitch
Boro
Sally
Lottie

Looks decent:
Greenie
skip
Eomer

I dunno...*suspicious eyes*:
Nerwen
Vanilwuffin
Fea

I might vote for those in my "dunno" category. I might vote for those in my "decent" category. I probably will not vote for those in my "best" category, but things may change. I will also probably go to sleep soon, but I hope to be online a bit more often.

[skip spence]

Making a quick pop-in.

To be honest I'm glad to be alive seeing how yesterDay unfolded. Had the nagging feeling the wolves might be coming for me, poor thing.

I do have some thoughts to share but that will probably have to wait until I'm back from work, which is hopefully not that late.

[Nerwen]

I might vote for those in my "dunno" category. I might vote for those in my "decent" category. I probably will not vote for those in my "best" category, but things may change. I will also probably go to sleep soon, but I hope to be online a bit more often.

And I hope you'll actually explain why you've put people in each category. No, it's not that you (sort of) suspect me, it's that I don't like lists without analysis on principle.

[Aganzir]

Aww. :(

why would the cobbler think it was hint, it's too out in the open to be taken seriously
One doesn't have to take it seriously, it can be more like making oneself known. Yes I know it was day 1 and it's not too unusual for people to complain about having no suspects, but comments like that still creep me out.

I doubt the wolves care enough about them to risk hinting.
Me too. However, being useful to the wolves requires the cobbler to survive (or take the bullet for them), and that's best done if the wolves don't attack her. It's much more likely that the cobbler tries to let the wolves know who she is than the other way round (thus I'm still somewhat disturbed by skip's plead that somebody behave suspiciously).

or if she has a more specific reason to not want people communicating covertly.
And what might this reason be?

Boro is up to something, as always. Need to figure out what it is before I shove him off a cliff, as he may be completely innocent. But if the cobbler turns up dead come Morning....o_O
I don't get this. Is Borowolf known for accidentally killing the cobbler or what?

She knows I have a job, and that I can't post during my work time.
Actually, I didn't. Or, well, I did but it wasn't anything I'd think of actively, and I didn't know you were working right then, so if you don't post I merely think "she doesn't post" instead of "why doesn't she post?".

to say she wants me dead before I can joke around, when I haven't even begun to do so, is really odd, especially for her.
Nope, I don't think so. I was voting for somebody I consider a submarine - not post count wise, but serious content wise. That sounds much ruder than it should, but I can't think of a better way to put it. I just usually have a hard time figuring you out (and telling the jokes from the serious stuff), so if I have to make a more or less random vote on day 1, you are not out of the question.
In any case, sally reacted unnecessarily strongly to my vote.

I think skip's reasoning for his vote looks awfully fishy, but being the first to vote for a wolf makes him look better. We can't obviously rule out the option that a wolf voted for EW, but I find it unlikely that a wolf would've started a bandwagon against a fellow.

Sally voted for Pitch after the first EW vote was cast. Back then it wasn't obvious yet that EW would be lynched, but if she was a wolf, wouldn't she rather have voted for somebody who already had a vote (Greenie maybe, as she said she'd keep an eye on her. Fea had more votes but she had already said the bandwagon against her was fishy)? She misunderstood the deadline, though, and if the day had ended when she thought it did, Fea would've died.

Agan, thank you for confusing me.
The pleasure is mine. :Merisu:

"Yay, a suspect, Inzil doesn't contribute all day and when he shows up all he does is give us the DL time".
♥

Fea's (random-ish) vote pushed EW to the lead, and EW countered by voting her. Speaks rather strongly in her favour. Also, I've seen wolves pretend to be confused about their fellow's gender in order to make each other look better, but doing so doesn't necessarily mean Fea is a wolf. ;)

Lottie decides to vote for EW by method of elimination (fair enough). She made her intention clear before voting, and in the end hers was the decisive vote. Sally, on the other hand, said she'd rather not vote for him in his absence (thoughtful, but given EW was a wolf, might also be a convenient way to direct votes off her fellow).

Now you are forcing my hand to you or Fea, and you weren't someone I said "no lynch."
I think he looks the most suspicious of the EW voters, simply because everybody else's votes were kind of random "in lack of a better suspect", and a Borowolf would totally do that to a fellow if need be. If I had to name a wolf in the EWagon, it'd probably be him.

It can be argued wilwa tried to save EW, but when she voted (tying Pitch & EW), Fea was leading with three and EW had two votes. Voting for Fea would have made more sense in that situation.

I hate to ambush someone, especially on Day One, but for once it turned out
That's why, if I don't have a real suspect, I prefer to vote for a quiet-ish person I can't really read. That saves me from the trouble of having to worry about submarines later. ;-)

I find it interesting that all four of these people are still alive, actually. You'd think they'd all look like Seers!
They just had good luck. If there had been a bandwagon like that for example against you, they'd probably look like seers, but EW had few posts and was therefore quite a random lynch. I agree it's interesting none of them was killed, though.

I was convinced EW was innocent!
How can you be convinced someone is innocent if they have only posted once?

I quite like it Lottie thinks I'm the best-looking here! ;-)

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by sally
Boro is up to something, as always. Need to figure out what it is before I shove him off a cliff, as he may be completely innocent. But if the cobbler turns up dead come Morning....o_O
I don't get this. Is Borowolf known for accidentally killing the cobbler or what?
Is he ever!:D:rolleyes:

I think skip's reasoning for his vote looks awfully fishy, but being the first to vote for a wolf makes him look better. We can't obviously rule out the option that a wolf voted for EW, but I find it unlikely that a wolf would've started a bandwagon against a fellow.
Whatever skip may be, he didn't start a bandwagon. If you must know, it rather annoys me when people talk of the first vote on a player as the start of a bandwagon, when generally there's no indication at that point of how the voting will go. I'm not saying I suspect skip, either, understand just that that's a pretty poor reason not to suspect him.

This comment I don't quite understand:
Originally Posted by Nerwen
I find it interesting that all four of these people are still alive, actually. You'd think they'd all look like Seers!
They just had good luck. If there had been a bandwagon like that for example against you, they'd probably look like seers, but EW had few posts and was therefore quite a random lynch. I agree it's interesting none of them was killed, though.
I'm not disputing that our spectacular drive-by Fenrissing may have been good luck and nothing more– they often are, I think, and this is a small village anyway. But what does randomness have to do with it? Why should that alarm Team Evil less?

[Aganzir]

Whatever skip may be, he didn't start a bandwagon.
If you have to vote relatively early and you have lots of options, would you really put your fellow under the spotlight by voting him? I don't think so. Of course it's possible, but it's unlikely enough to make me feel better about skip not being a wolf.

But what does randomness have to do with it? Why should that alarm Team Evil less?
It might be just me, but if we get a quiet wolf on day 1, I find it much more likely that we just got lucky than that the seer was behind it. When it comes to louder/more involved players, it takes a lot more to get them lynched. Not that that's too difficult on day 1, either, but bandwagoning against a quiet player is simply easy (and sometimes useful, sometimes not). In my opinion, it would be slightly paranoid of the wolves to presume EW died because of being seer-dreamed.

[Nerwen]

To clarify my last comment:

Agan, I quite agree that getting a Fenris wolf completely at random is not that tall an order in such a small village, and when the votes were so spread out. (It took only three votes to lynch EW.) However, it's not easy for the wolves to be so objective– I'd think the voters behind an apparently random Fenrissing would be more likely to get their attention.

EDIT:X'd with Agan.

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by Nerwen
Whatever skip may be, he didn't start a bandwagon.
If you have to vote relatively early and you have lots of options, would you really put your fellow under the spotlight by voting him? I don't think so.
Well, you may not think so, but wolves have voted their fellows often enough in the past, and in fact the first vote is arguably the "safest".

Again, I don't particularly suspect Skip– I just don't get your reasoning.

In my opinion, it would be slightly paranoid of the wolves to presume EW died because of being seer-dreamed.
I agree– but as I said, wolves are often exactly that.

[Aganzir]

However, it's not easy for the wolves to be so objective– I'd think the voters behind an apparently random Fenrissing would be more likely to get their attention.
Yes I understand what you mean and am equally surprised none of the EW voters died. I still think the wolves don't get paranoid & think EW was dreamed of so easily, though... But even so, why didn't someone who voted for him die? After all, being part of a random bandwagon against a wolf on day 1 should make them look much more innocent. Even if there was a wolf on the bandwagon, there are three innocents (or two, if the wolves decided to be really mean), and they could easily have gone after one of them. Or were they so afraid of the ranger? Or did they just want to confuse us? Or whatever.

Well, you may not think so, but wolves have voted their fellows often enough in the past, and in fact the first vote is arguably the "safest".
That's true, but everybody knows quiet players stand a higher risk of getting lynched on day 1, so why make it worse by voting your fellow? In this small a game, even one vote can make a difference.

I'm not saying skip is innocent, I just think that voting for EW makes him look more so - as well as everybody else who did that.

I have to leave now, will be back in a few hours.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Light defence of Greenie.

Seems to trust... Nerwen?... in asking what she (?) thinks of my vote for Green. I think he was referring to Nerwen but could be wrong.

Suspects Pitch for Pitch's vote for Fea.

Suspects Sally, I think, for reasons totally unclear to me. Post #59



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Not sure why the wolves picked Shasta. On Day One there's not usually a direct link between their kill and the Seer-Fear (hey, that rhymes!) i.e. wolf dinner was pointing to a wolf.

In this case the slaying of Shasta could point to Pitch or Sally (not sure about this - maybe someone who knows Shasta and Sally better can advise here?), but reading through the thread it looks like Shasta only suspected Pitch after Pitch's vote. So he didn't 'have it in for him' so to speak.

I did, though, get the feeling Shasta was talking in riddles. I will try to get some examples now.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

"One of those reasons has got to be 'who but a wolf could fit thirty little green grapes in between their jaws!', right? "


What does this mean? Anything? :confused:

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"She for whom the moon doth shine, what dost thou think of Eomer's vote?"

Meaningful? Or just an in-joke that no-one else can understand?




Well, that was it. Probably nothing; but it's possible the wolves took these weird phrases for gifted hints.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

I got nothing on this one. As I already said (yes, Aganzir) I was convinced he was innocent. No reasoning, just a hunch. Saw a lot of people jumping on him and couldn't understand why. His vote for Fea, if you look at the post again, with its almost total lack of content, looks like a rushed post. His lack of participation, as a whole, adds credence to that idea.

To borrow one of Shasta's other sayings: "very fishy". Looks to me like there's something going on with those EW voters.

[A Little Green]

I'm going to keep an eye on our European males (Pitch, skip, Eomer, and yes I think you can count Greenie among them ;)).I'm your man.
Fea is getting a lot of unhealthy attention. Nothing unusual there, but the bandwagon (because that's what it is!) forming against her is fishy. Regardless of Fea's role, I don't like to see this kind of rather simple voting, especially toDay.Question 1: are two votes a bandwagon? Question 2: Why "especially toDay"? Isn't Day 1 the Day when simple voting is the most pardonable due to lack of substance? For myself, I find "simple" votes much more worrisome later on when there would actually be more to build on.
asks 'she for whom the moon doth shine' what she thinks of Eomer's vote (for Greenie); as a side note, I'm not at all certain who this question was directed to, and I've been wondering if he meant me I thought he was talking about Nerwen, but I could be wrong..
Something I think I forgot to add to that last post is what I actually think...

Which is that I'm assuming Shasta was killed to be 'trail-less', since all arguments for or against end up being, "Yeah, it's obvious it was totally this person! (Or that one)." I would be inclined to agree. He didn't look seerish at all, and if the wolves wanted to frame someone with their kill they would probably have picked someone with more pronounced opinions.
If you have to vote relatively early and you have lots of options, would you really put your fellow under the spotlight by voting him? I don't think so. Of course it's possible, but it's unlikely enough to make me feel better about skip not being a wolf.I'm not sure. Making a random-ish Day 1 vote on a fellow who has not been suspected at all during the Day is relatively safe (or at least is if you forget to consider the size of the village). I'm not convinced though that a skipwolf would do it, so I don't really know.
"One of those reasons has got to be 'who but a wolf could fit thirty little green grapes in between their jaws!', right? "


What does this mean? Anything?I believe he was referring to something he did in RL this summer when we met him, so I'd put it down as banter.

[Boromir88]

This is going to come off as an "I wouldn't do that, if I was a wolf, ergo I'm not a wolf" posts, but Agan, you asked for it. So keep up and listen.


I don't get this. Is Borowolf known for accidentally killing the cobbler or what?

Nerwen gave the short answer. Last two times as a wolf, I've killed the cobbler first night (it may have even be 3 now, come to think of it). Last time I was a cobbler, the wolves killed me first night. So yeah, the last several experiences with having some sort of involvement with the cobbler has just failed.

I think he looks the most suspicious of the EW voters, simply because everybody else's votes were kind of random "in lack of a better suspect", and a Borowolf would totally do that to a fellow if need be. If I had to name a wolf in the EWagon, it'd probably be him.


You are right, I will throw packmates under the bus, but to think I do it randomly and whenever the chance comes to "look better" is just wrong, hun. I won't go into the details, because there's better things to do, after the game if you're interested in hearing my WW-philosophy I'll send you a message.

But that's wrong, in a small village with only 3 wolves, if I was one, I wouldn't just randomly sacrifice a packmate if there was no need to. Actually, chances are, I would have voted a lot earlier to help TEW out towards the end where he wasn't in that situation come the DL.

My vote may look more reasonable than some of the other random votes, but you're only looking at the situation from after the fact. Take out the hindsight bias, and you will realize I made a really silly choice, that turned out fortunately. When I got back a little after 8, I wasn't seriously considering thinking about voting for TEW, I really had no clue who I was going to vote for. All I knew is I reached the conclusion that I did not want Fea or Pitch to be lynched, and they both had votes, and Pitch may have come under a swift bandwagon based on his suspicions of Fea. I'd say my top "suspects" were sally, Lottie, and wilwa.

Then TEW votes, and it was his reason of "self-preservation" that I thought looked fabricated. I mean yes since he and Fea both had 2 votes, I guess he was feeling a bit of pressure in needing to save himself. With time running down, not only was he essentially making it a 2-person race, but it looked like opportunistic, almost false, reasoning.

So, the way I saw it, he really wasn't in a must "self-preservate" situation. He may have been feeling some pressure, but he knew there were several of us around there to vote. And you know, if one of the late voters after him was a fellow packmate, he should have felt a bit of security. Which begs the question, maybe he had no packmates left to vote and he was really feeling the heat? Anyways, it was the "This is only for self-preservation, sorry Fea" that just stood out to me. I thought, ya know, if he was innocent, and he couldn't find better reasons to vote for Fea, the votes were spread out enough surely he could have been more suspicious about someone else. But no, he tried to make it look like he didn't want to vote for Fea at all, the only reason he wanted to was to save himself.

After the clouds clear, I made a good vote. That's it, but it was lucky to turn out the way it did, because I was really going out on a limb to put my trust Fea. "Yes, this time she is innocent, she's not being all manipulative and opportunistic, only using people until they're of no more use. She's innocent, and since she is, I really could use her help if we can get past the silly randomness of Day 1."

[wilwarin538]

"She for whom the moon doth shine, what dost thou think of Eomer's vote?"

Meaningful? Or just an in-joke that no-one else can understand?


Inside joke, Shasta and Nerwen always call each other by overly romantic nicknames. So he was directing the question to Nerwen.

I think the reason Shasta was killed is probably simply because he didn't vote. On the first Night I think most packs just want an easy kill without any trail, and someone who didn't vote is the perfect candidate for that.

Even though TEW ended up being a wolf, that whole bandwaggon still erks me. He had posted only once when people started voted him, and it was banter. It's kind of mean killing someone when they aren't around to even try and defend themselves, and haven't really had the chance to say anything.

For the TEW voters, I think Skip's vote looks alright, he had to vote fairly early in the Day, when for all he know TEW would be around quite a bit, and he went off a gut thing, which is a normal thing when you vote early, not usually much to go on. Fea's vote is okish. Boro's vote atleast has a pretty good reason, kind of.

It's Lottie's that bugs me. She had done this whole 'check' system, and ended up voting for someone that had no 'checks' for anything, rather than one of the people she had given 'wolf checks' for. Here's the post:

Anyways, the only people who got checks under "wolf" are Agan, Vanilwuffin, and Boro. Boro also has three "innocent" checks, however, while Vanilwuffin has one "innocent" check. The only other people of note were Fea, who got a whopping four "cobbler" checks and one "innocent" check, and Eomer and TEWie, who got nothing. I might vote for one of them for being so quiet.

So there were 3 of us who had a 'check' for wolf, but when she voted none of us had votes so maybe she didn't want to throw away a vote. But she seemed to really think Fea could be the cobbler, though later said she'd almost definitely not vote for her. So why vote for someone who had no 'wolf' checks, over someone who had four 'cobbler' ones? At the time she voted, voting for Fea would not have been a throwaway. Oh, I know now you're saying 'but she sealed TEWs fate, she mustn't be a wolf', but when she voted Boro had basically said he'd be voting for TEW, and I had recently said I was planning to before I changed my mind. So it could still be a wolf on wolf.

I don't know, out of the 4 votes for him, this one is the fishiest.

So, I have to go to work in about 3 hours, and my shift extends past the DL, so I will be voting very early.

[Boromir88]

I think the reason Shasta was killed is probably simply because he didn't vote. On the first Night I think most packs just want an easy kill without any trail, and someone who didn't vote is the perfect candidate for that.

I don't know, I never get the "trail less" kill theory while the seer is still alive. I would think losing one of their own this soon they would be trying to kill the seer with each choice, at least that's my opinion.

Unless they think they've got the seer already and maybe feared the ranger picked up on it too and would immediately protect. Or they could feel like they aren't necessarily going to grab the attention of the seer this soon, so they can go for some other, less predictable kills.

I just always operate under the opinion, as a wolf, get the seer first, but that could be more because I tend to be ousted by the seer at some point or another, so getting rid of seer before xe can do so is always my top priority. Might not be the same for all packs, I admit.

[Nerwen]

Reactions to The Wolf-warrior's plight.

Note:"irrelevant" posts are those in which players defended themselves or other players (other than EW), or replied to earlier comments. Posts judged relevant are those including any comment on EW, any suspicion of another player, and vote-posts. (Also banter, just in case it's an attempt at distraction..)

Missing numbers are posts by Inzil, who I think is in the clear.;)

#60.
Okay, I'm back and as I should have been in bed hours ago I gotta take a quick shot from the hip (and in all fairness any vote at this point is just that).

The Elf-Warrior has only made one post so far but there's just something about the timing and the subject matter and the phrasing of that post that seems a bit sinister to me.

Especially the last part, which I highlighted. There's something potentially euphemistic about that phrase. Possibly veiled wolfish banter. Only one way to find out:

++The Elf-warrior

At this time there was one vote on Greenie (Eomer), two on Fea (Greenie and Pitch) and one on Sally (Agan).


Sally (#61) –irrelevant.


Lottie (#62). On EW "Personally, I think it's just banter. It came early in the Day and I think someone else had even mentioned food in their banter post earlier." (In same post, mildly defends Pitch, Wilwa and Fea; will "keep an eye" on Shasta.)


(#63) Sally votes Pitch.


Fea (#64) –irrel.


Wilwa (#65). –irrel.


Boro (#67). Banter.

Sally (#68). –irrel.


Sally (#70). –irrel.


#71. Bleh. I went through the thread, giving people checks under "wolf", "cobbler", and "innocent", and now the person I suspect most is also the person I trust most. Agan, thank you for confusing me.

Anyways, the only people who got checks under "wolf" are Agan, Vanilwuffin, and Boro. Boro also has three "innocent" checks, however, while Vanilwuffin has one "innocent" check. The only other people of note were Fea, who got a whopping four "cobbler" checks and one "innocent" check, and Eomer and TEWie, who got nothing. I might vote for one of them for being so quiet.


Wilwa (#72) –banter.


Sally (#73). Banter, thinks Boro's post at #67 is "weird".


#74.
++Elf

Not because I particularly suspect her (I reserve opinions until Day 2, as everyone knows) but because I have nobody better to vote for and because with a village this small, odds are solid that if I threw a rock I'd hit a wolf. And because she's quiet, and you can't analyze a statue.


Lottie (#76) corrects Fea on EW's gender; banter.


Fea (#77) apologies to EW, saying she thought he was The Great Elven Warrior.


Boro (#78). –semi-irrelevant: explains why he will not vote Agan, Fea or Pitch.


Sally (#79) asks Lottie to explain her "checks" (see #71).


Wilwa (#80) comments on the wide spread of the votes; has no real suspect but will probably vote someone already voted so as not to make a throwaway. Does not want to vote Fea, Sally or Greenie; "clueless" about Pitch and The Wolf-warrior. Might vote one of them.


And now Mr Fenris himself, on Fea's mistake:
#81.
Apology accepted. However, I feel compelled to vote for...

++Feanor

It's a matter of self preservation, mah dear.
Comment: Oddly, nobody seems to pick up the rather sinister tone of this post– Wolf-warrior was, after, casting a likely death-vote, and in danger himself. He just seems so relaxed about it– could this all have been planned? A foolhardy strategy with only three wolves in the pack, though.


#82.Reply to Sally (#79) asking about "checks".
Anything that jumped out at me as innocent, wolvish, or cobblerish, I marked down. It wasn't a very sophisitcated system at all.

As for the voted people, I won't vote Pitch (he's my second most trusted person, apparently). Not Sally or Greenie, either...and almost definitely not Fea. TEWie it probably is, then...

EDIT: xed with TEWie, and maybe more people, since I haven't checked to see who ended the last page yet.


#83.Originally Posted by wilwarin538
I feel ok with Greenie I think, but am rather clueless about Pitch and TEW. So I may go for one of those two. I'll read through their stuff quickly.
I'd prefer holding off on Elf, since he's not been here in hours. I'd hate to lynch him in his absence, at least on Day One. It could end really poorly.

EDIT: x'd sine Muffin's quoted post. Ah, the prodigal Elf appears....


#84. Response to The Wolf-warrior's vote-post.
The votes are spread out enough where surely you could have gone with someone else maybe a little suspicious other than "for self-preservation"

Now you are forcing my hand to you or Fea, and you weren't someone I said "no lynch."
A weak reason for voting EW– he was in danger precisely because the votes were spread out. It does indeed look "forced".
(You know, I don't know about likely, but it would certainly be bloody hilarious if the wolves were EW, Fea and Boro, and this post respresented Boro wringing his hands in despair.:D)


#85. Response to Sally at #83.
Yeah, once I went back and realised his only posts are one banter and a vote, I really don't want to. And I feel quite good about the girls on the line,
so that leaves me with:

++Pitch

x'ed with Boro



#86.++Elf

Sorry, TEWie.


#87
++Elf-Warrior

Edit: crossed with Lottie.


#89. (Response to Boro at #84 and EW's vote-post. 2 minutes after DL.)
This. You didn't have to vote for Fea, you chose her because she was an easy target. There wasn't self-preservation on your mind there.


Comments: Well, I'll take my hat off to the baddies. If any wolves were around in the latter part of the Day, when The Wolf-warrior started to get into trouble, they played it very cool indeed. Nobody hit the panic button at any point; however Sally (#83) and Wilwa (#85) are the ones who look most as if they might be trying to rescue him at the eleventh hour. (Sally does a Legate-180 at #89, but that's too late to mean anything, either way.)

Lottie and Boro look better– they both cast what each must have thought would be the decisive vote on The Wolf-warrior. (Boro crossed with Lottie.) At this point both Fea and Pitch were also available for lynching, and they couldn't both be wolves if either of the others were.

EDIT: X'd since Agan at #115 (this took a long time, and there were interruptions.)

[skip spence]

Okay, I’ve been looking at the voting yesterDay to see what can be learned from it, trying to be reasonably objective. We must also remember that DL is in the middle of the night for the Europeans and that they therefore as a general rule must vote earlier than the North American who often can be around up until the DL.

*First there was Eomer giving Greenie an early vote. To me it looked like a random yet honest vote. But it is of course possible that he’s wolf trying to look inconspicuous too.

*Then Greenie votes Fea, because she stood out for being smug and confessing to be a wolf. Looks potentially a bit opportunistic too me (in the scenario that Fea is innocent and she is not), but I understand she had to be in bed early and can perhaps be excused for being a bit hasty.

*Third to vote is Pitch who puts Fea in a tight spot, giving her a second vote. Her post are “content-free and studiedly inscrutable” and her defence of earlier post are “over-defensive”. As a second vote for anyone at this point can be crucial this vote should be remembered.

*Then Agan votes Sally because she is very quiet and because Agan don’t want to be part of a Fea bandwagon. Agan also states that she considered voting Elf-warrior for the same reasons.

I then give Elf-warrior his first vote.

*Sally votes Pitch because “[his] case against Fea puts him on my hit list, because....well, it's just not quite right somehow”

*With less than an hour until the DL, Fea gives Elf his second vote. “not because I particularly suspect her (I reserve opinions until Day 2, as everyone knows) but because I have nobody better to vote for” It’s notable how careful she is not to mention self-preservation, as this surely is an issue at this point?


Now with less than 10 minutes left of the Day, almost than half the village - and at least one wolf - is yet to vote, so anything can still happen. Vote tally at this point: 2 Fea, 2 Elf, 1 Pitch, 1 Greenie, 1 Sally


*Elf is first to make the move, going for Fea to save his own furry backside. This decision makes me think better of Fea, as there were other alternatives the wolf could have gone for as well. It doesn’t clear her.

*Next to vote is Wilwa who in a rather non-committing way opens up the Pitch-alternative by giving him a second vote, something which can be seen as an indirect support for Elf, which also Agan has pointed out. Wilwa states that she feels pretty good about the girls on the line, and has already said she’d probably vote for either Elf of Pitch. If she really wanted Fea to live a vote on Elf and not Pitch would make more sense to me. Yet she goes for Pitch.

*Then, just before the bell tolls, Lottieand Boro seals Elf-wolf’s fate. Although anything is possible, I really don’t think they would've made that choice if either one of them are wolves. Unless Fea, or to a lesser degree Pitch, is also a wolf, in which case it would make perfect sense.

People I feel slightly better about now: Fea (more for Elf's vote on her that her vote on him), Boro and Lottie

People I feel more worried about: Wilwa (and I don't really like her accusation of Lottie either) Edit: and, I forgot (thanks Nerwen!), Sally, who also appears with a plead not too lynch Wolf, I mean Elf. But too obvious if she also is a wolf perhaps?

[wilwarin538]

Uh, so I hate doing this, but I really have to go, and I definitely won't be able to come back (can't go on the internet at work). I wish I had more time to make a stronger case on someone, but I don't

++Lottie

Based off her vote yesterDay and the inconsistency that it had with her 'check' system, not very strong, but all I got right now. My participation should be far better next Day.

[Nerwen]

As several people have asked about this: Shasta's "she for whom the moon doth shine" definitely refers to me. This is a long-standing joke between us.

Then, just before the bell tolls, Lottie and Boro seals Elf-wolf’s fate. Although anything is possible, I really don’t think they would've made that choice if either one of them are wolves. Unless Fea, or to a lesser degree Pitch, is also a wolf, in which case it would make perfect sense
I'm not sure about that. Say Lottie was a wolf and so was Fea– then what's to stop Lottie voting Pitch, who couldn't, in this version of events, also be a wolf?

I don't say this is quite conclusive, mind you– either of them might have guessed the other would vote The Elf-warrior, and so written him off.

People I feel more worried about: Wilwa (and I don't really like her accusation of Lottie either) Edit: and, I forgot (thanks Nerwen!), Sally, who also appears with a plead not too lynch Wolf, I mean Elf. But too obvious if she also is a wolf perhaps?
No, because all the reasons people were giving for voting EW were pretty flimsy– it wouldn't look that surprising if someone objected. The problem's more the other way: it really isn't that surprising that someone objected. That is, it's a long way from being a clear sign of guilt, for either the Cupcake or the Muffin. (Interesting that Sally hung around the whole time though, when she'd cast her vote ages ago.)

I think the reason Shasta was killed is probably simply because he didn't vote. On the first Night I think most packs just want an easy kill without any trail, and someone who didn't vote is the perfect candidate for that.
That's nice, Wilwa– but people have been talking about this very point a lot, and have already raised the question of why the wolves didn't try for the Seer, or eliminate one of the Elf-voters who might be hard to lynch now, or frame someone.

Even though TEW ended up being a wolf, that whole bandwaggon still erks me. He had posted only once when people started voted him, and it was banter. It's kind of mean killing someone when they aren't around to even try and defend themselves, and haven't really had the chance to say anything.
It irks you that the village caught a wolf on Day One? Really?

So there were 3 of us who had a 'check' for wolf, but when she voted none of us had votes so maybe she didn't want to throw away a vote. But she seemed to really think Fea could be the cobbler, though later said she'd almost definitely not vote for her. So why vote for someone who had no 'wolf' checks, over someone who had four 'cobbler' ones? At the time she voted, voting for Fea would not have been a throwaway. Oh, I know now you're saying 'but she sealed TEWs fate, she mustn't be a wolf', but when she voted Boro had basically said he'd be voting for TEW, and I had recently said I was planning to before I changed my mind. So it could still be a wolf on wolf.

I don't know, out of the 4 votes for him, this one is the fishiest.
Thing is, though, it's not really clear what reasons Lottie had for voting EW at the time, and I'm not sure "cobbler checks" mean much when you're talking about Fea. (I'd certainly like Lottie to clarify this when she gets back, however.)

I actually agree that it's at least possible for her vote to have been wolf-on-wolf; however, calling it "the fishiest" of the four is quite a stretch, indeed. Not to mention all those other votes that weren't for a known wolf.

So, Wilwa isn't looking too good, after this post. But then she goes ahead and votes Lottie, who is probably not going to be lynchable toDay– not a good example of lupine opportunism.

I'm going to have to vote now, though, and it will probably be Vanilwa Muffin.

EDIT:typo.

[Nerwen]

Anyway–

++Wilwa.

I probably won't be back before DL, so good luck!

[Aganzir]

Okay I'm here, not much time now but I'll do what I can.

His vote for Fea, if you look at the post again, with its almost total lack of content, looks like a rushed post. His lack of participation, as a whole, adds credence to that idea.
The few times I've played with him, he's been rather silent regardless of his role, and quietness shouldn't really speak in favour of someone's innocence, anyway.

To borrow one of Shasta's other sayings: "very fishy". Looks to me like there's something going on with those EW voters.
What do you mean? That the people who voted for him are suspicious - because they chanced to kill a wolf?

I'm your man.
I want a doctor! ;)

Question 1: are two votes a bandwagon?
When they come relatively early, I think you could call it the start of a bandwagon even though people don't necessarily join it later.

He didn't look seerish at all, and if the wolves wanted to frame someone with their kill they would probably have picked someone with more pronounced opinions.
I agree. I kind of wonder if it means the wolves thought they were so safe they could afford to kill someone who didn't look like the seer.

Making a random-ish Day 1 vote on a fellow who has not been suspected at all during the Day is relatively safe (or at least is if you forget to consider the size of the village).
I find it highly unlikely the wolves forget that - they're probably fully aware of how many days they have to survive in order to win, and losing even one fellow is too much. Of course I might be wrong - maybe they decided to sacrifice one of them at an early stage so the others would look better... But it makes so much less sense to me, I wouldn't be too worried about it at the moment.

So yeah, the last several experiences with having some sort of involvement with the cobbler has just failed.
Ahh, I wasn't aware of that. Poor you - it must have felt almost as bad as being busted by a quiet gifted. ;)

You are right, I will throw packmates under the bus, but to think I do it randomly and whenever the chance comes to "look better" is just wrong, hun.
And I (or anybody else) have no way of knowing if it was actually random or not. Just pointing out.

Which begs the question, maybe he had no packmates left to vote and he was really feeling the heat?
That's a fair point.

But no, he tried to make it look like he didn't want to vote for Fea at all, the only reason he wanted to was to save himself.
The same way I could say you looked like you didn't want to vote for him, the only reason you wanted to do so was because he had just screwed up by making a vote that forced you to choose between him and Fea (who you had already said you didn't want to vote for).

On the first Night I think most packs just want an easy kill without any trail, and someone who didn't vote is the perfect candidate for that.
Sounds sensible - except it doesn't solve the riddle why they didn't go after someone who looked a bit more like the seer. Or didn't they simply have any clue about the seer's identity? Grr now I'm obsessed about this...

He had posted only once when people started voted him, and it was banter.
Yeah, you could argue it was unfair - but regardless of his role, it can also be said it was unfair for the rest of us he didn't post much and let us know what he thought. If we hadn't killed him, he would probably have slipped under everybody's radar - and if he had been eg. the seer, the wolves couldn't probably have detected him. Not that it would necessarily have been a bad thing, but personally I would've felt sorry for the wolves (completely regardless of my role).
A few months ago, I would have been at wilwa's throat for looking like she tried to save a wolf and even daring to say afterwards that she felt bad he was killed the way he was, but having met her in person I can totally see her doing that also as an innocent because, well, she's just sweet like that. I'm sorry if this sounds somehow exclusive, but I can't really help it.

It's Lottie's that bugs me. She had done this whole 'check' system, and ended up voting for someone that had no 'checks' for anything, rather than one of the people she had given 'wolf checks' for.
Yeah that was a bit weird. But you have to remember it's sometimes easier to go for a submarine on day 1 (like, I voted for a quiet one rather than somebody I suspected a bit)... And she only voted after you said you'd rather not spread the votes too much.
I, too, am kind of curious about why she didn't vote for Fea though. Not that I mind because I have no major qualms about Fea's behaviour, but I'm of the opinion anybody shouldn't be ignored because she might be "just" the cobbler. It's almost as important to find the cobbler as the wolves, even though she isn't quite as strong in this game as she's been in some others, and if I had to choose between someone I was mildly suspicious of and someone I was pretty certain was the cobbler, I'd totally vote for the cobbler.

getting rid of seer before xe can do so is always my top priority.
It's of course possible we have sneaky under-the-radar type of wolves who believe they will not be early dreams... Or wolves who want us to believe so.

(You know, I don't know about likely, but it would certainly be bloody hilarious if the wolves were EW, Fea and Boro, and this post respresented Boro wringing his hands in despair.)
Hahaha that would be hilarious! Poor Boro! :p

If any wolves were around in the latter part of the Day, when The Wolf-warrior started to get into trouble, they played it very cool indeed.
Well, statistically it's likely we have at least one European wolf. I'm generally not a big fan of statistics, but I, too, noticed the lack of "should I vote for him or try to save him yes no yes no aieee" kind of wavering at deadline. Boro came closest to it, but even he wasn't very bad.

Eomer --- To me it looked like a random yet honest vote.
How can it look honest (or dishonest) when there's so little to base it on?

If she really wanted Fea to live a vote on Elf and not Pitch would make more sense to me.
But did she? If you don't have a really strong feeling about someone's role, you don't usually care that much about whether they die or not, so accusing wilwa of not saving Fea by voting the proper person seems far-fetched to me. And actually I think wilwa's reason for choosing Pitch over EW was quite decent. Yes she might be a wolf, but she could also have done it as an innocent.

I have to go now. I'll try to pop in every now and then, but I'm not sure how much time I have to post.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Aganzir, how can you make such a long post on Day Two? It's quite frankly ridiculous. :p

I'm not sure what you don't understand about my position, though. I already explained why I think the EW voting was suspicious: that being, I didn't see any good reasoning for it. And what do you know? They caught a wolf. I don't see how it was deduced, so I'm guessing it was either lucky or contrived.

Of course the tendency is to say that, though there may be a wolf in among them, the EW voters are squeaky-clean. But I have a bad feeling about it. If the two wolves are among the four voters, one at least is gonna get a free ride right to the end of the game.

But it's dangerous to get fixated on one hypothesis, so I'm going to have to think about other villagers now.

Be back soonish.

[Pitchwife]

Got home late and just caught up. Some quick thoughts:

I couldn't find anything that would have looked particularly Seerish in Shasta's few posts, but I'm puzzled by this:
If Shasta was killed for looking Seerish, this exonerates Lottie, since Shasta said she might be the cobbler, and the wolves would not know who the cobbler is, nor would Shasta-seer be able to actually tell the difference between cobbler and ordo.
Where did Shasta say anything about Lottie being the cobbler? All I could find was this:
I could easily vote for Lottie, though - she's said next to nothing which is entirely unlike her.
No mention of cobblery here.

(Speaking of Lottie, I too would be very interested in hearing what those checks she mentioned were based on, and how she got from giving Fea 'four cobbler checks' to 'almost definitely not' voting her.)

If Elf had turned out innocent, this would have looked like one blatant, eeevilll bandwagon.
Yep. When I read the thread and saw the votes piling up against him, my first thought was 'Oh no, another Blind Guardian!' - only this time it turned out lucky. So I totally understood sally's reservations against it.

And you know, if one of the late voters after him was a fellow packmate, he should have felt a bit of security. Which begs the question, maybe he had no packmates left to vote and he was really feeling the heat?
Possible. If so, this would obviously speak for wilwa, Lottie and (by lucky coincidence) yourself.

As for wolvish involvement in the TEWagon, I have a hard time imagining that they would sacrifice one of their own so early. If he'd been a little further ahead in the votes, I could see a packmate deciding he was burnt meat anyway and giving him the final push, but with him and Fea being tied until Boro's decisive vote, that doesn't seem plausible.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

It irks you that the village caught a wolf on Day One? Really?

While I find it difficult to get a read on Wilwa, I think this is pretty unfair word-twisting, Nerwen. I believe she has the same feeling I have about EW's lynching, but she just phrased it in a different way.

Just a note: all these nicknames are confusing me. It's hard to tell who you're talking about, referencing various confectionary treats. I'll probably vote for those who use this ploy too frivolously. :p

[Boromir88]

I didn't realize how late it was and I'm not going to be back until after the DL, so my vote will be coming in this post.

In response to Agan. I don't approach Day 1s with the same contempt that others do, but I have probably a much different method than what is normal. That is, I find it very hard to come up with random suspicions against anyone, everything winds up "could be doing this, or could be doing that, I have no idea about..." So, in the experimental larger games, I typically say something controversial, to get attention and people talking about me and from there I can sort out who looks evil and rotten and who doesn't. But in the straight-forward ones like this, I can't make some kind of hint about the "great and almighty Zeus" if Zeus isn't a role, ya know?

What happens is I find it far easier to figure out who I trust more, and don't want to see lynched than coming up with actual suspicions. This narrows down my list, like...ok don't want Fea, Agan, or Pitch gone today. (Note, these are all flexible at anytime. Like for instance, today I'm feeling far more trusting of Skip today than yesterday. Mostly because some of his comments, I don't know just don't look like what a wolf would think about making. Fea and Eomer haven't done anything to make me feel better about them, but they also haven't done anything to make me lose trust). I look to see who has votes. Shall the list stay at the number? Do I want to add in another name of someone I'm more suspicious of? And as you can see, the way I approach Day 1 typically winds up with me making a vote because I don't want someone lynched, more so than I DO strongly want to lynch someone. I put quotes suspects yesterday (sally, Lottie, and wilwa) because I use that term loosely. Yesterday looked like they were trying to do something, something that was off-character, but no idea whether it was for better or worse.

I'm pretty wary of all this attention being focused around the 4 TEW voters. I mean to assume that it was too lucky to have hit and one of them had to be a packmate is not necessarily right. Agan you said that I forced myself into that position by declaring earlier that I did not want Fea lynched. But you're not looking at how late that post came. If I'm a wolf with TEW, just think if how late that post came if it makes sense for a wolf to actually make it? Had I been concerned about saving, TEW or not, I wouldn't have even made that post. I would have caught up on what I missed, and made my vote earlier to not leave TEW in that situation.

You may not believe me, but Lottie is probably the most familiar one here with my wolf habits now, because of our most recent history. I saved her rear-end on Day 1, because I cast an early vote for her and made it purposefully look like a bandwagon, so the "counter save Lottie from bandwagon liberation front" would start. I guarantee, not to boast, but if I was TEWs packmate, he would not have been stuck in that situation with 5 minutes left in the DL. I would have either went ahead and pushed him in the lead to seal his death, or voted in an attempt to save him. I did neither, I held to the very last minute to make up my mind already, and got fortunate. My primary focus that last hour would have been what to do to help TEW, or myself, not writing a post about who I felt good about and not want to see lynched.

++sally

This is going to be a terrible Day 2 vote, but I've gotta be gone in 20 minutes and won't be back til after DL. Basically it boils down to I don't like the look of all her little posts hinting towards people shouldn't trust me. If you don't, and think I'm suspicious, or whatever, fine that's your choice. But The several posts of "Boro's post here is creepy." "Boro's up to something, just don't know what" look like attempts to sow distrust and suspicion. And I have to wonder why an innocent sally would be trying to do something like that. Can't think of a reason.

[A Little Green]

I didn't realize how late it was, either! :eek: And I was supposed to not be busy this week, but it seems I am after all. Well, here I am, anyway, I'll post, then vote, then go to bed.

So, a quick summary of what I think of my fellow villagers:
Agan - My gut says innocent; my logic would warn me against an Agan who doesn't annoy me at all. So I don't know.
Pitch - Mr. Agreeable is a bit less pronouncedly agreeable than the average Pitchwolf, but I don't entirely trust how easy and careful he is.
Boro - Confuses me to no end. I was about to write that I'm leaning towards thinking he's not a wolf, but then I realised I'm not. :rolleyes: I don't like his constant "I wouldn't do this if I was a wolf" -arguments.
Sally - Another confusing one, might be worth a closer look.
Lottie - Hmm. I'm getting both good and evil vibes from her, more the latter, though. I agree that her vote was somewhat fishy.
skip - Seems genuine, I'm not worried about him right now.
Eomer - Likewise, though I could actually also see him as a wolf.. Eurgh, this game is making me paranoid.
Nerwen - Ouch. Every time I hazard a guess at her role I'm wrong. This time though I have no guesses at all. Could be anything.
Wilwa - Leaning suspicious. Her vote yesterDay is not improving her in my book. But I'm quite baffled by this thing between her and Lottie - they both look rather fishy I think, but I'm not sure if their mutual suspicion could be wolf-on-wolf.. Somehow I think it improbable that the last two wolves would want their names linked together in any way whatsoever, they need to be careful.
Fea - I'm not discarding the possibility of a happily sniggering Feawolf, but I'm not going to vote her toDay.

What have we got, then? The ones I'm least easy with are Wilwa and Lottie, but I don't think they are wolves together, so even if I'm right about one I'm probably wrong about the other.. My vote will go for one of the two toDay anyway, probably Wilwa because I've seen more of her than Lottie.

Back with my vote post soon.

[Loslote]

It's Lottie's that bugs me. She had done this whole 'check' system, and ended up voting for someone that had no 'checks' for anything, rather than one of the people she had given 'wolf checks' for. Here's the post:



So there were 3 of us who had a 'check' for wolf, but when she voted none of us had votes so maybe she didn't want to throw away a vote. But she seemed to really think Fea could be the cobbler, though later said she'd almost definitely not vote for her. So why vote for someone who had no 'wolf' checks, over someone who had four 'cobbler' ones? At the time she voted, voting for Fea would not have been a throwaway. Oh, I know now you're saying 'but she sealed TEWs fate, she mustn't be a wolf', but when she voted Boro had basically said he'd be voting for TEW, and I had recently said I was planning to before I changed my mind. So it could still be a wolf on wolf.

I don't know, out of the 4 votes for him, this one is the fishiest.

I didn't vote Fea for the same reason I didn't vote Agan, Boro, or Wilwa - even though they all had "wolf" checks, they also had "innocent" checks. In short, they were being noticeable.

Now, something I noticed - if TEWie thought he'd be lynched, he could well have voted his packmate to try and make whichever one survived look better. I'm not saying this makes Fea a wolf; it's a random thought that popped into my head. Or he could have been trying to deflect attention away from a packmate who was on the chopping block; but again, this could well be a random, nonsensical thought.

As for Boro, he's not acting like the Boro-wolf I've played with, and I'm inclined to trust him.

Agan posts too many words, but she seems innocent, too.

EDIT: xed with Greenie

[skip spence]

OK, just an open query:

I'm rather new at this game and frankly, I don't see why the lynch of Wolf-warrior is so inherently fishy. Even in the hypothetical scenario that he were innocent. Because on Day 1 any judgement (barring inside knowledge the wolves and the Seer have) is bound to be highly subjective. You look at the behaviour of people and try to guess if they are acting in the interest of the village or not. Not posting much may also be a reason for suspicion as good as any other, and Boro is right in that one can also vote because you trust someone else more without necessarily suspecting the person you vote for in any particular way.

Yes, we were lucky to catch a wolf (even if there was a Seer involved) but for me it's kind of hard to see that happening any other way. Most people here (I believe) are experienced players who wouldn't make an obvious slip, so catching a wolf at that point would require a bit of luck regardless.

I'm certainly not discounting a wolf or two among the TEW-voters, or that the whole lynching is an elaborate scam, but I don't see why this lynch should be such a stand-out in that respect.

[A Little Green]

Lottie's latest makes me feel better about her, so

++ Wilwa

And now I'm really off to bed. Sweet dreams my lovelies!

[skip spence]

To me it looked like a random yet honest vote.
How can it look honest (or dishonest) when there's so little to base it on?
I dunno what to say. To me it looked like an honest guess. On Day 1 there always little to base anything on (for innocent villagers). But I'm not trusting Eomer in any way.

If she really wanted Fea to live a vote on Elf and not Pitch would make more sense to me.
But did she? If you don't have a really strong feeling about someone's role, you don't usually care that much about whether they die or not, so accusing wilwa of not saving Fea by voting the proper person seems far-fetched to me. And actually I think wilwa's reason for choosing Pitch over EW was quite decent. Yes she might be a wolf, but she could also have done it as an innocent.
I seem to remember her saying that the girls looked okay and that she could vote for either Pitch or Elf. That implies that she'd rather see Fea alive than either of these two. I could be wrong though.

[Aganzir]

Friends are doing stuff I'm not needed for, so I'm going to make a quick summary. I haven't reread the thread, so it's mostly just the general opinions & impressions I have on people.

GUILTY
sally. Reacted unnecessarily jumpily to my vote (come on, it was day 1 and I wasn't super suspicious of anybody, it's nothing personal), and some things she says about people in #58 rubbed me the wrong way. Or maybe it's not the things she says but the way she says them that feels off to me. She also jumped on wilwa's suggestion we don't lynch EW in his absence which was her biggest game-related contribution after voting.
skip. Not necessarily a wolf (I'm still kind of doubtful whether he would've cast the first vote for a fellow) but he feels somehow awfully off. I'm toying with the idea he's the cobbler.
Eomer. Weird. I don't seem to get his reasoning at all, and his Greenie vote looks opportunistic.

INNOCENT
Fea. She voted for EW, and EW voted for her. While it's totally possible it's a wolfish scheme (you can't really rule out anything when we're talking of Fea), I think survival is in the wolves' best interests. However, I'm not actually trusting her, either.
wilwa. If she had really wanted to save EW, why didn't she vote for Fea who had more votes? Generally she makes sense and has good points, and although I'm by no means convinced of her innocence, I'm willing to trust her for now. Besides I'm somewhat concerned about how she seems to be today's easy lynching candidate.
Greenie. Seems innocentish enough and I'm not too worried about her at the moment, although I'm fully aware of how capable she's fooling me. I will probably want to have a look at her at some point though.

EITHER
Nerwen. I don't really like her vote for wilwa (she seems like such an easy target after defending EW yesterday), but apart from that she hasn't given me a reason to be suspicious.
Lottie. Voted for EW which makes her look more innocent, but why didn't she choose Fea or someone else she had expressed suspicion of? Hmm actually now that I think of it, her giving Fea four cobbler checks and saying very soon afterwards that she wasn't going to vote for her might be interpreted as a hint from a wolf to the cobbler... Not sure about that though because I still think giving hints to the cobbler wouldn't be worth the risk.
Boro. He generally seems to make sense, and he voted for a wolf, but there was something forced-looking in his decision.
Pitch. Apart from a slightly bad feeling yesterDay, he's been escaping my attention so far. Will have to remedy that when I can.

I'm probably going to vote for someone either on the Guilty or Either list.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Nerwen: I felt like I was agreeing with everything Nerwen said, until her last post. Had she not made this post I would therefore have assumed her guilty. She makes good posts though, so whatever side she's on I want her in the village for now.

Pitch: can't get a read on him. Seems to make reasonable posts but that says nothing for his innocence or guilt. Haven't noticed him too much, really.

Wilwa: see Pitch. However, I always think the same of Wilwa so she obviously has some sort of power which prevents me from analysing her properly.

Sally: I know she always appears like a cobbler, but... I just get a feeling from her.

Lottie: need to re-read her posts, sorry. No opinion on her yet.

Greenie: don't know if it's because of my vote yesterday and I'm a stubborn fool, but she looks a bit suspicious to me. A bit too smooth, really.

skip: see Loslote. Sorry, no opinion yet.

Boro: same old Boro. No read on him but I would definitely keep him around for now because he often makes points which no-one else thinks of.

Fea: same old Fea. No read on her either. Leaning towards innocent (though if anyone could pull off lynching a packmate on the first day...)

Agan: I always, always, always suspect Aganzir. I am completely irrational so you shouldn't bother reading this post.

Eomer: pretty irrational and a no good drunkard. Lynch.

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The sharp observers among you will realise all my suspicions come from hunches. I honestly think that's very unusual for me.

[Pitchwife]

Some thoughts about the rest of the votes:

Eomer -> Greenie
I've commented on this yesterDay: early vote based entirely on her first post, which was too 'obviously nice and let's get down to business'y'. Not too bad for early on Day 1.

Greenie -> Fea
for posting off-topic, too many jokes, smug tone & joking wolf-confession. Can't find fault with that, thought similar at the time.

me -> Fea(2)
I'd like to note that I'd repeatedly stated being worried by Fea 's and Agan's wolf-joking thing and in Fea's case also her not posting anything seriously game-related, so it's not like this came totally out of the blue.
It was the best I'd got at the time, and I wasn't going to drop it just because Greenie went there ahead of me (so much for 'blatant bandwagoning').

Agan -> sally
reason: ' I know I'm going to get frustrated later on if you top the post count with half your posts being jokes'.
Interesting, since in the same post she said her suspects were skip, Greenie, Eomer and me.

sally -> Pitch
for bandwagoning against Fea. See explanation above, but I must admit it was a fair reason.

wilwa -> Pitch (2)
apparently for no other reason than not wanting to spread the votes further and not wanting to lynch anybody else. If that was an attempt to save either TEW or Fea, did she think it would succeed? Shasta might very well have voted me, if he had voted at all, but both Lottie and Boro had already stated they weren't going to; would have depended on Nerwen.

Conclusion: Inconsistency between suspicions and vote in Agan's case, and wilwa could be either/or; rest looks decent for Day 1.

[skip spence]

Getting a bit tired and should probably vote soon.

Might go for Pitch for his opportunistic Fea-vote and because of a sneaking suspicion and in order to open up another alternative.

Might also go for Sally because of her odd behaviour yesterDay.

Or Wilwa for reasons already stated.

Agan is clearly evil but I'm not convinced she's assigned to that part in this game.

I'm pretty good about Boro, Lottie and Fea.

Nerwen, Greenie and Eomer I've no read on.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

I've just read through all Loslote's posts and the one thing that struck me is how inoffensive she is. Even when she gets closest to pinpointing someone:

"Wilwa's looking more evil than anyone else at this point, but she's still not looking excessively so."

she's careful to soften it.

Maybe it's just your character but I'd feel a lot more comfortable with you if you were wielding a sword like a crazy person and hurling abuse at people.

[skip spence]

Maybe it's just your character but I'd feel a lot more comfortable with you if you were wielding a sword like a crazy person and hurling abuse at people.
You know what, that is a bit odd. I've only played one game here on the downs but in that game Lottie was just that person, throwing all kinds of wild accusations all round. And in that game she was innocent and also correct on most accounts in her assessments.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

You know what, that is a bit odd. I've only played one game here on the downs but in that game Lottie was just that person, throwing all kinds of wild accusations all round. And in that game she was innocent and also correct on most accounts in her assessments.

That is very intriguing, skip.

Although, in the interest of balance, I would say that I remember Loslote as being fairly quiet from a previous game. A bit Jekyll and Hyde, is she?

Some of us are considerate enough to be consistently and predictably irritating. :p

[Loslote]

I've just read through all Loslote's posts and the one thing that struck me is how inoffensive she is. Even when she gets closest to pinpointing someone:

"Wilwa's looking more evil than anyone else at this point, but she's still not looking excessively so."

she's careful to soften it.

Maybe it's just your character but I'd feel a lot more comfortable with you if you were wielding a sword like a crazy person and hurling abuse at people.

You know what, that is a bit odd. I've only played one game here on the downs but in that game Lottie was just that person, throwing all kinds of wild accusations all round. And in that game she was innocent and also correct on most accounts in her assessments.

That is very intriguing, skip.

Although, in the interest of balance, I would say that I remember Loslote as being fairly quiet from a previous game. A bit Jekyll and Hyde, is she?

Some of us are considerate enough to be consistently and predictably irritating. :p

This interaction caught my eye (of course, as I was the main topic!). In my mind, Skip came out looking a lot more innocent, and Eomer a lot less so. The only game he could have been talking about was Nerwen's. Now, the logical way to proceed with this line of reasoning is, "was she a wolf in that game"? As it happens, no. I was Gifted. If I die toNight, may I ask that Eomer not be overlooked? ;)

Also, other than this, I've gotten practially no read on Eomer, while Skip has looked pretty innocent, so my interpertation of this conversation may be biased.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Loslote, for the benefit of those of us who don't reside inside your head, can you explain what you mean in that post? I really can't figure it out.

I'd like to highlight to you that Skip insinuated you had changed your playing style, whereas I balanced his subtle accusation by claiming you hadn't.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Wilwa votes for Loslote

Nerwen votes for Wilwa

Boromir votes for Sally

Green votes for Wilwa



That's all? :rolleyes:

[skip spence]

Okay, here goes.

++Wilwa

I feel kind of apprehensive about jumping on this particular bandwagon, but still, it's probably best to trust my original impression.

Good night and may a lucky star shine on us!

ps. you know who I mean by us!

[Pitchwife]

This interaction caught my eye (of course, as I was the main topic!).
Mine as well. There's something going on here.

I'd like to highlight to you that Skip insinuated you had changed your playing style, whereas I balanced his subtle accusation by claiming you hadn't.
You mean your post about how she was so very inoffensive and careful to soften her suspicions wasn't a subtle accusation?

(Aside to Lottie: How does it feel to be Miss Agreeable for a change?:p)

EDIT: x-ed with skip

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Lottie's latest makes me feel better about her, so

++ Wilwa

And now I'm really off to bed. Sweet dreams my lovelies!

This feels dodgy. Also, in your previous post you had narrowed it down to Wilwa and Loslote. They both already had a vote apiece at this stage. On the face of it, this looks quite manipulative.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

You mean your post about how she was so very inoffensive and careful to soften her suspicions wasn't a subtle accusation?skip

Well Pitch, if my original post on Loslote was 'a subtle accusation' then Skip's was a stronger one, and I then balanced it.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Ok, I'm keeping my vote the way it is. Not convinced a choice between Wilwa and Loslote is the way to go. Sally always looks wrong to me but I haven't assessed her properly so I'll give her the benefit of the doubt for now.

++A LITTLE GREEN

For reasons above.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Wilwa votes for Loslote

Nerwen votes for Wilwa

Boromir votes for Sally

Green votes for Wilwa

Skip votes for Wilwa

Eomer votes for Green

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Oh man, is it 5 posts in a row? And have I got the deadline completely wrong? :D

I'm awa' to bed.

[Aganzir]

Aganzir, how can you make such a long post on Day Two? It's quite frankly ridiculous.
Aren't you interested in what I have to say? :Merisu: Hmm I believe Cailín played in the game in which I made a 2300-word case against Mac, but that wasn't Day 2! (Oh yes she did because I remember assassinating her.)

I already explained why I think the EW voting was suspicious
I still quite don't understand if you thought so only yesterday or also today (I got the impression it was the latter). I mean, it feels odd if you find a bandwagon suspicious that killed a wolf, even if it was mostly good luck... Do you really expect the wolves had planned it (or it was the seer's work)?

If the two wolves are among the four voters, one at least is gonna get a free ride right to the end of the game.
I know we shouldn't ignore anybody just because they happened to kill a wolf, but it looks mighty cobblerish to me to try to direct our attention to the people who voted for EW.

In response to Agan. I don't approach Day 1s with the same contempt that others do --- in the experimental larger games, I typically say something controversial, to get attention and people talking about me and from there I can sort out who looks evil and rotten and who doesn't.
Hmm what was that a response to? I mean, I don't think I had any more questions about your day 1 activities. You're beginning to look rather jumpy with your lengthy explanations of your behaviour.
For the record, I don't think there are many people here who actually hate day 1s so much. See, even Fea, who seems to post mostly nonsense, sets traps in her posts and draws conclusions based on how people react to them. And what stops you from being controversial in traditional games? I don't think it's all that difficult.
I just realised something (which I'm not going to speak about right now - hope that makes me seem more like normal me, ie. annoying, Greenie ;)) and am actually beginning to get somewhat bad vibes from Boro.

Had I been concerned about saving, TEW or not, I wouldn't have even made that post.
We others have no way of knowing whether you'd actually have done it. We have no way of knowing if the wolves had an ingenious plan to lynch EW (or somebody else, it could've been any one of them) to make the others look better. Unlikely as it is, we can't really ignore it. Besides, I've seen a Borowolf before who behaved exactly the way I didn't expect him to, and I got to pay for it.

my logic would warn me against an Agan who doesn't annoy me at all.
If you'd like, I can try my best to fix that. :)

Greenie's summary looks relatively genuine.

To me it looked like an honest guess. On Day 1 there always little to base anything on (for innocent villagers). But I'm not trusting Eomer in any way.
What do you mean by an honest guess, and how can you tell it from a dishonest guess or a simple "I need to get someone lynched so I'll just throw there a few reasons and that should be enough" kind of vote? And when saying you don't trust Eomer in any way, do you mean you're not convinced he's innocent, or you find him completely unworthy of your trust?

That implies that she'd rather see Fea alive than either of these two.
I think that only implies she didn't want to vote for Fea. If she had said she thought Fea was innocent, I would have expected her to try to save her, but she didn't say so. If I don't have any strong suspects, I'm usually happy whichever way the lynch turns out - after all, others might have noticed things I never paid attention to.

I felt like I was agreeing with everything Nerwen said, until her last post. Had she not made this post I would therefore have assumed her guilty.
Huh? She appeared guilty to you because you agreed with her? I wonder what that makes you. ;-)

Sally: I know she always appears like a cobbler, but... I just get a feeling from her.
I know exactly what you mean.

Agan: I always, always, always suspect Aganzir. I am completely irrational so you shouldn't bother reading this post.
Aww, why? :-p

Agan is clearly evil but I'm not convinced she's assigned to that part in this game.
Trying to flatter me eh?

Maybe it's just your character but I'd feel a lot more comfortable with you if you were wielding a sword like a crazy person and hurling abuse at people.
I definitely agree with you. The Lottie I'm used to (based on only one game with her, though) was really, how shall I phrase it, strong with her suspicions. ;-)

Okay I had to leave for a while and you guys posted some more...

can you explain what you mean in that post? I really can't figure it out.
I believe she thinks you accuse her because her behaviour is similar to a gifted!Lottie's... But to be honest I'm not entirely sure about the meaning of that post either.

ps. you know who I mean by us!
Huh?? Okay skip just rose much higher on my cobbler list.

Alright they need me again, will read & comment on the rest of the posts later.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Ok, one more post. :p

Aganzir, I haven't played WW much recently, but in one of the last games I played I basically trusted Wolf-Nerwen right until the end.

I trusted her because she said everything I was thinking before I had the chance to post it. If she ever does that again I will be forced to try to lynch her.

Does that make sense now? ;)

Right, really away now. I have to get up early tomorrow as I have a visitor from the Barrow-Downs this weekend: fellow Warg-appreciator SamwiseGamgee! Maybe he can help unwrap the mystery of the two remaining wolves...

Or, far more likely, we'll get lost in the pub and I'll be mod-fired. :p

[Loslote]

Loslote, for the benefit of those of us who don't reside inside your head, can you explain what you mean in that post? I really can't figure it out.

I'd like to highlight to you that Skip insinuated you had changed your playing style, whereas I balanced his subtle accusation by claiming you hadn't.

I was pointing out that you'd just liked my behavior now to my behavior as a Gifted, and that if I died, I'd be highly suspicious of you...although, now that I've said that, we have to take even that with a heaping spoonful of salt.

(Aside to Lottie: How does it feel to be Miss Agreeable for a change?:p)

Bit boring, actually. If I had real suspicious (other than a really, really weak case against Eomer and an unsupported gut feeling about Greenie), I'd start waving my torch and pitchfork.

That wasn't meant to be a hint to Pitchie, but I don't want to bother rephrasing.

I believe she thinks you accuse her because her behaviour is similar to a gifted!Lottie's... But to be honest I'm not entirely sure about the meaning of that post either.

No, I believe it's somewhat suspicious to link someone's behavior to that of a Gifted's, because only wolves are actively looking for Gifteds. It's not really an accusation; just throwing that point out there.

EDIT: xed with Eomer

[satansaloser2005]

My shoddy interwebs and I are back. What's the vote count?

*is a bum*

[Pitchwife]

Looking mostly OK

Agan - I still don't get the reason for her vote yesterDay and disagree with her aboutsally and Boro, plus she seems to be looking for cobblers all over the place rather than wolves, but she doesn't give me the impression of having a hidden agenda.
Boro - sounds reasonable and genuine, and bonus points for giving TEW the coup de grace; most of his posts toDay were explaining/defending his vote, I'd like to see some more from him.
Fea - better toDay, now she's started applying her extraorbitant awesomeness to the game, and bonus points for giving TEW his second vote; would still like to see more, but I'm not going to vote her again for the time being.
Greenie - not that much to go on, but looks decent altogether.
Nerwen - always a big unknown, but most of what she's said toDay looks good.
sally - looks more or less like her normal silly self, only a bit more mysterious; may be 'up to something' (to use her own words), but doesn't give me any downright evil vibes yet.


Could go either way

Lottie - I see how her vote yesterDay could cause some doubts, but I don't think she'd have pushed The Elf-Wolf to the lead as a packmate; could theoretically have been the move of a clueless cobbler, but that would depend on either Fea or me being a wolf.


Somewhat suspicious

skip - looked OK to me earlier in the Day, but his interaction with Eomer - both about Lottie and earlier about the 'fishiness' of the TEWagon - rings some subtle bells; I'm still leaning toward innocent newbie seeking advice, but wouldn't rule out wolf-cub looking for guidance from senior packmate.
wilwa - I'm torn about her: her vote could have been an attempt to look like she was trying to save Fea without doing anything decisive, or an attempt to save TEW, and I think her case against Lottie stands on thin legs, but all this depends on too many unknowns; so I'll be watching her, but not voting her toDay.


Somewhat more suspicious

Eomer - I'm a bit uneasy about the way he's been harping on the theme of wolves among the TEW voters (not that it's impossible, but it'd take some very daring and confident wolves to pull off such a manœuver that early in the game); almost makes me think of a wolf trying to avenge his fallen packmate. His list basically amounts to 'no clear opinion of anybody'. And see above under skip.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Where did Shasta say anything about Lottie being the cobbler?

You know, I have no idea. I just searched every single one of Shasta's posts and didn't find anything, and then I reread my post summarizing all the interactions he had with people and the things people said about him, and I have NO clue where I got that. I think I must have been in the middle of writing something and started reading or thinking about something different, and the thoughts combined.

Perhaps it's because others have mentioned Lottie as a possible cobbler suspect? Honestly, I'm quite ashamed at that oversight. I mean, I summarized all of Shasticle's posts myself, like three sentences before my brain spontaneously decided to attribute that statement to Shasta.

Sorry about that.

Well, there goes that entire argument about Shasta's death more or less exonerating Lottiepop...

I've been thinking all day about how Shasta "said" Lottie might be the cobbler. Brain-fail.

Now I'll need to re-think, but I haven't been home very long, so rethinking will have to come pretty quickly to meet deadline...

[Loslote]

Boro - sounds reasonable and genuine, and bonus points for giving TEW the coup de grace;

~~~~~~

Lottie - I see how her vote yesterDay could cause some doubts,

I'd just like to point out that, as far as either of us knew, our votes were basically identical. ;)

But, also:

Eomer - I'm a bit uneasy about the way he's been harping on the theme of wolves among the TEW voters (not that it's impossible, but it'd take some very daring and confident wolves to pull off such a manœuver that early in the game); almost makes me think of a wolf trying to avenge his fallen packmate. His list basically amounts to 'no clear opinion of anybody'. And see above under skip.

I rather agree. Does anyone else have any strong feelings why Eomer shouldn't be lynched? At the moment, he's looking like where my vote will go.

[satansaloser2005]

All of Eomer's "cases" are flimsy enough, and I'm not the biggest fan of his lists, but I'm not sure he's not just an overeager ordo. Blah, indecisiveness.

Of course if he's lynched and is another wolf, I'll be epically cross, so for the sake of not semi-defending two wolves, I have to agree that he looks bad.

That and he really does. :rolleyes:


ETA: That second line should say "two possible wolves", for clarification. I just realized it looked a bit strange.

[Loslote]

Right, well, to get this out of the way:

++ Eomer of the Rohirrim

for being vague and noncommital, and for making my gut have feelings of nervousness.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Not going to be around for DL (gotta leave right now for something unexpected; no worries, not an emergency, just something I didn't know I'd be asked to do). Sorry I'm a day two failure. Since I don't know who to vote for and I refuse to vote rushed, I'm abstaining so that I don't vote stupidly and cause a bigger problem.

[satansaloser2005]

I hate when my list looks so much like everyone else's. o_O

Guilty
Muffin
Eomer

Mehbe
Lottiepop
Agan (overdefensive, seriously? only if you had a real reason to vote me, heh)
Greenie (she's still fishy to me)

Innocent for now
Nerwen (I suspect her, thus she's innocent....heh)
Pitch
skip
Boro
Fea


I'm too tired to consider loads of candidates. Blah.


I want to look at Muffin's posts again, but she's seriously looking furry to me. o_O


EDIT: x'd since my last

[Pitchwife]

I'd just like to point out that, as far as either of us knew, our votes were basically identical.
Guess what, I totally hadn't noticed the X-ing. You're quite right.

[Inziladun]

DL in 30 minutes.

[Aganzir]

Agan -> sally
reason: ' I know I'm going to get frustrated later on if you top the post count with half your posts being jokes'.
Interesting, since in the same post she said her suspects were skip, Greenie, Eomer and me.
Whoops I apparently forgot to quote this post. No, I only said I was going to keep an eye on you. It's not the same as suspecting you. If I don't have a real suspect on day 1, I rather vote for someone quiet (because I'm mean like that).

Aganzir, I haven't played WW much recently, but in one of the last games I played I basically trusted Wolf-Nerwen right until the end.
Ah alright. I really should play more often. Now it doesn't look quite so sinister any more.

No, I believe it's somewhat suspicious to link someone's behavior to that of a Gifted's, because only wolves are actively looking for Gifteds.
But if he's only played with you when you were a gifted?

I'm really at a loss as to whom to vote... I have so many options, and something fishy that I can't really put my finger on seems to be going on all around me. I'm also seriously flip-flopping on Eomer, about every second post of his looks furry and the rest seem to more or less mirror my thoughts.
I'll most likely be here till deadline.

[Aganzir]

Agan (overdefensive, seriously? only if you had a real reason to vote me, heh)
That's exactly why you seem overdefensive. My vote was, after all, quite random.

[Loslote]

But if he's only played with you when you were a gifted?

Actually, that's a good point. And I think he died pretty early on, too...

[Aganzir]

Votes

Wilwa - Loslote (1)
Nerwen - Wilwa (1)
Boromir - Sally (1)
Green - Wilwa (2)
Skip - Wilwa (3)
Eomer - Green (1)
Lottie - Eomer (1)
Fea - no vote

Left: Pitch, sally, Agan

I'd rather we didn't lynch wilwa because I feel better about her than I feel about the others who have votes. I could go for sally, or maybe Lottie or even Eomer. Will have to do some quick reading...

[Aganzir]

Oh and actually I could also vote for skip, but I'm not going to spread out the votes if nobody else is interested in lynching him.

[satansaloser2005]

That's exactly why you seem overdefensive. My vote was, after all, quite random.

Fair enough. Let me expound on why this bothers me, especially now.

Agan said she would vote for one of the quiet players. A typical Agan move, I'll give it. Her choices are thus me (who had two posts, one of them sort of game related, or at least attempting to be) and Elf (who had one post of pure fluff). Both of us posted early on, both of us had barely any content. Fair enough. I don't mind getting votes, really, as long as they don't kill me. :p

So what made her vote me over Elf? The fact that I was funny, it seems. Really? Elf's entire first (and only) post was a joke, whereas I'd made a joke and then nipped its misunderstanding in the bud. Not a lot, I'll admit, as I was busy, and I can't fault Agan for voting me for being quiet, but she voted me over Elf, who we now know is a wolf. Her flimsy excuse just happened to make me a better choice than Elf, who had less posts than me? I'm not buying it.

That is what I have a problem with, really. Not that she voted me, but that she voted me over Elf. Perhaps she was concerned that if she voted the Wolf-Warrior (to steal the clever title from Miss Nerwen) others would jump on? Could be. I'm just saying. It makes sense.

Of course I could be wrong and it could have been random, but I'm tired and have rather little to go on at the moment (well, sort of) so when I see something bothersome I'm going to mention it.


EDIT: x'd with Agan's last. I'll be back in five. I need to conjure up a sandwich and steal a drink from a small child.

[Aganzir]

Nope, it was the fact that I thought I'd have an easier time reading EW than you, so I'd rather be rid of you first. I didn't have a reason to believe one of you was a wolf, but I didn't have a reason to believe you were innocent, either. And how come you only say this when I've been questioning you about it quite long?

Anyway who do you plan to vote? And Pitch?

[satansaloser2005]

And how come you only say this when I've been questioning you about it quite long?

....Because I've actually had more than five minutes for the first time all Day? :rolleyes:

[Inziladun]

1 minute til DL.

[Aganzir]

....Because I've actually had more than five minutes for the first time all Day? :rolleyes:
If I were you I would probably tried to bring it up earlier (like, the first post you talked about it today), but however.

Who are you going to vote?

[Aganzir]

++Eomer

I have no idea how this is going to turn out...

[Inziladun]

DL.

[Pitchwife]

++Eomer

EDIT: x-ed with DL

[satansaloser2005]

Bother. Internet died.


And I did, Agan. I know you don't have to believe me, but the post was eaten and I only realized it when I got home, at which point....well, I brought it up.


I know, I know, shut up. I hope this actually posts this time.

ETA: It did, but crossed with Sir Mod. Sowwie, love.

[Inziladun]

Pitch, your vote was too late to count.

Wilwa has been lynched. A mere ordo.

[Inziladun]

The trapped people settled in for another day of trying to figure out who the killers among them were. Various comments, accusations, and defenses were bandied about as time wore on. The majority eventually decided the one they most feared was Wilwa.

"No!" She cried. "I couldn't hurt anyone! Don't let them get away with this!"

"Whatever," said Nerwen . "In you go."

"That's right," added Greenie. "No more stalling."

Casting frightened glances around the room, Wilwa tremblingly walked into the chamber. Nerwen shut the door.

"Now," said skip. "Where to send her? Or it?"

"Hmm," said Nerwen. "What's that button there? "RNDM DST"? Does that mean the year will be random?"

"I guess so," said Greenie. "Doesn't matter anyway, if she's not human."

Skip pressed that button, then the large one in the middle.

"Nooo!" "I didn't do anything! The butterflies need me!"

"Gzzthktkk" went the noise from the chamber.

They all walked to the window and looked in.

But Wilwa was gone.

The Living
Nerwen
Pitch
Sally
Lottie
Greenie
skip
Boro
Fea
Eomer
Agan

The Dead
Professor Inzil (mod) Head full of knowledge cracked open Night 1
The Elf-Warrior Robot Killer (wolf)- Fried like foil in a microwave Day 1
Shasta (ordo)- Made into a Shastacicle Night 2
Wilwa (ordo)- Found her big chance to get away from it all Day 2.

NIGHT 3 HAS COMMENCED Wolves, Seer, and Ranger know what to do.

[Inziladun]

Boro sat in his room in deep thought, holding the specially modified IPOD. He wanted desperately to stop the evil mechanoids from killing anyone this night. Who will they want now?, he thought to himself. Think.

Finally, he made up his mind who he would try to protect, grasped the IPOD firmly, and opened his door. Standing before him was one of his housemates, grinning at him menacingly. It's you! he thought, but did not have the time to say. For at that moment it shot out a hand and grabbed his throat, forcing him back into his room. He did the only thing he could think of: he pressed the button for the EMP pulse.
The fiend made a startled, mechanical noise, "EEMMRRR!", and let go.

Gasping for breath, Boro ran for the door. He didn't get one step out into the hall before the robot's mate, which had been in the hallway keeping a lookout, came to its fellow's aid.

It saw the device in Boro's hand and clamped its own hand on Boro's wrist, forcing him to drop the IPOD. The first robot, by now recovered from its momentary mental fugue, stomped hard on it, smashing it to bits. It grabbed Boro in a choke hold and yanked his head as hard as it could into the room's window, which of course had been bricked up. Boro shuddered, and lay still.

The two mechanical beings quickly left the room, glad to have a troublesome obstacle out of their way.

The Living
Nerwen
Pitch
Sally
Lottie
Greenie
skip
Fea
Eomer
Agan

The Dead
Professor Inzil (mod) Head full of knowledge cracked open Night 1
The Elf-warrior Robot Killer (wolf)- Fried like foil in a microwave Day 1
Shasta (ordo)- Made into a Shastacicle Night 2
Wilwa (ordo)- Found her big chance to get away from it all Day 2.
Boro (Ranger)- Learned to stop worrying and love the brick Night 3

DAY 3 HAS BEGUN

[satansaloser2005]

Noooo! Oh, honey, why? *weeps*

Okay. That's it. Heads will roll.

[satansaloser2005]

Also, because it's too appropriate to resist....

"If you die, can I have your iPod?"

[Loslote]

Ranger + Night-kill should be good. This is not good. Thus, something clearly is wrong, and we ought to get rid of the silly people who messed with the variables to produce a less than optimal result.

Also, :mad:

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Sigh. I didn't think he was the Ranger (I keep sort-of forgetting that role)... but I did think he was innocent. So now I'm a bit bummed that my list of people I trusted is slimmed down that much more.

[Aganzir]

I'm having yet another RPG night so I can't really concentrate on playing right now, but I'm here every now and then.

I know we shouldn't presume there are hints in the narrations, but it looks like Boro actually decided to protect one of the wolves. Interesting. When somebody goes through his posts (I would do it but my darlings might kill me), they should probably also pay attention to whoever he possibly found worth protection.

I am displeased about the wilwawagon and wouldn't be the least bit surprised if there was a wolf/cobbler involved. She was just way too easy a lynch - would she really have spoken so strongly against lynching EW if she had been his fellow?

Sally and Pitch, why did you leave voting until so late?

[Loslote]

I know we shouldn't presume there are hints in the narrations, but it looks like Boro actually decided to protect one of the wolves. Interesting. When somebody goes through his posts (I would do it but my darlings might kill me), they should probably also pay attention to whoever he possibly found worth protection.

I think the "opened his door" think refered to Boro's own door. If it had refered to a wolf's door, it would've been a really strong hint, though.

[satansaloser2005]

Sigh. I didn't think he was the Ranger (I keep sort-of forgetting that role)... but I did think he was innocent. So now I'm a bit bummed that my list of people I trusted is slimmed down that much more.

This. I mean it's not so bad for me, because I semi-trust a few people, but I was almost certain he was innocent. Now both my princes are dead, as well as my beloved muffin. What shall I do? :(

Sally and Pitch, why did you leave voting until so late?

Exactly the reason I mentioned last night. My internet kept blinking out. And, again as I mentioned last night, I was out most of the day/evening at work and visiting friends and their unforunately non-were-spawn. *pets him* I was busy.

For the record, I had planned to vote Eomer, because I didn't like our odds of ambushing two people in a row and getting good results both times. That and I noticed that Greenie voted Wilwa, which for reasons I can't currently remember made me very uneasy. I'd decided Eomer was the better choice, but wasn't able to submit my vote in time, for which I apologize.


EDIT: x'd with Lottie

[Aganzir]

I think the "opened his door" think refered to Boro's own door. If it had refered to a wolf's door, it would've been a really strong hint, though.
Oh yeah of course. This is what happens when you only skim through the narration (don't worry Inzil, I usually read them properly ;))...

Exactly the reason I mentioned last night. My internet kept blinking out.
If your internet doesn't really cooperate with you, it might be a good idea to consider voting earlier in the future?

I had planned to vote Eomer --- and I noticed that Greenie voted Wilwa, which for reasons I can't currently remember made me very uneasy.
And Eomer had been after Greenie on both days. If you were suspicious of her, one might imagine it would've made you feel better about him...

[satansaloser2005]

If your internet doesn't really cooperate with you, it might be a good idea to consider voting earlier in the future?

Erm, when? I mean thanks for the advice but it simply wasn't possible. Are we having communication issues here or something? I couldn't get on until I did.


Anyway, Boro's untimely demise is making me think about a few things. I need to re-read the thread. Hopefully I'll be back in a bit, but I've stuff to do so we'll have to see.

[Nerwen]

I'm having yet another RPG night so I can't really concentrate on playing right now, but I'm here every now and then.

I know we shouldn't presume there are hints in the narrations, but it looks like Boro actually decided to protect one of the wolves.
Not to me. Why do you think that?

wilwa[/B]wagon and wouldn't be the least bit surprised if there was a wolf/cobbler involved. She was just way too easy a lynch - would she really have spoken so strongly against lynching EW if she had been his fellow?
Well, I feel bad about voting her, of course– but I had to vote early, and she looked the best bet at the time. As I pointed out yesterDay, she actually didn't really "speak out strongly" against lynching The Wolf-Warrior – it was a pretty mild, non-committal defence, such as I thought a prudent wolf might perhaps try at the last minute. Okay, I was wrong.

That said, I can't say I'm all that happy with the other Wilwa-voters.

[Loslote]

So, Eomer voted for Greenie, which was, at that point, a throw-away vote. No one had really expressed suspicion of her, and Vanilwuffin was by far the leading lynch candidate. This could well have been a wolf clearing his hands of what he knew to be a bandwagon against someone who wasn't a wolf. So far, Eomer does, in my opinion, look like a Big Bad Wolf.

[Aganzir]

Erm, when? I mean thanks for the advice but it simply wasn't possible. Are we having communication issues here or something? I couldn't get on until I did.
Yes but you came here more than an hour before the deadline and posted more or less regularly right until the deadline. I know you can't really help your connection dying, rather I was wondering why you wanted to hold your vote till the last possible minute - especially if you know you don't have the best of net connections.

Not to me. Why do you think that?
I was eyeing the narration while talking to my friends & not paying enough attention, and I got the impression Boro met his killer when opening the door to the room of the one he protected instead of his own door. You can basically just ignore that comment...

she actually didn't really "speak out strongly" against lynching The Wolf-Warrior – it was a pretty mild, non-committal defence, such as I thought a prudent wolf might perhaps try at the last minute.
Yes but it wasn't only that - it's also that she actually repeated yesterday that she felt bad about how he was lynched. To me it didn't look like a wolfish thing to do - I mean, why draw more attention to yourself by defending your dead fellow?

[Aganzir]

On day 1 Boro made those armpit pickle jokes, saying armpits are ordinary if shaved. As far as I've seen, he tends not to shave his, so my initial thought was "Hey is he claiming to be a gifted?", but I wonder if the wolves would actually have fallen for that, given that he often drops gifted hints on day 1 (especially if he isn't one).

He didn't want to lynch Fea, me, or Pitch, and his top suspects (clarified on day 2) were sally, Lottie and wilwa. He saved Fea by voting EW. If the wolves wanted to go after the seer, Boro's death makes Fea look good.

Barring we have a ranger with some good wits, someone's going to die each night
:p

He spent most of his day 2 explaining what he wouldn't do as a wolf, but he pointed out (rather late) that he felt much better about skip than the previous day. Again, if the wolves were aiming at the seer, skip looks better. Or sally looks worse because he voted for her.

It could be argued he looked seerish because he didn't seem to have very strong opinions on anybody, and when he said something more definite about people, he was only talking of one or two at a time. It also made him leave few trails, though.

I see three options:
a) the wolves thought he was the seer. Fea is innocent, skip is innocent ("feel much better about him than yesterday" without a further explanation can easily be interpreted as "I got extra information during the night".) or sally is evil. Once again I don't know how paranoid the remaining wolves are, but in this scenario, the possibility of a skip dream looks more likely to me than a sally dream.
b) Boro looked relatively innocent because of his EW vote and was considered a trailless kill because he never spoke much about anybody but himself. ;)
c) the wolves took eg. the quote posted above as a ranger hint. I admit I got ranger vibes when I first read it, basically because people dare to be more questioning (or even rude) about the skills and abilities of a certain role if they're talking about themselves, if you know what I mean.

I'd still like to go through what others said of Boro and how the voting went, but I have to wake up ridiculously early compared to what time it is now.

[Aganzir]

Option D: the wolves wanted to frame an innocent sally, or maybe even make (wolfish?) Fea and/or skip look better. Boro would've been a very convenient kill if one of them is a wolf.

Bedtime!

[satansaloser2005]

Yes but you came here more than an hour before the deadline and posted more or less regularly right until the deadline. I know you can't really help your connection dying, rather I was wondering why you wanted to hold your vote till the last possible minute - especially if you know you don't have the best of net connections.

My connection had been working fine (well, not THAT bad) since I got home, so I assumed I wouldn't have issues. It's not like I could predict that it would suddenly hiccup around DL.


Anyway, I must say that I'm feeling poorly about Eomer, which isn't much of a surprise. In fact, if I can put forth a theory, I'd like to point out his random vote for Greenie. Not random as in without any sort of reason, but random as in she didn't have any other votes, and he says he's not happy going between Lottie and Wilwa. From this I draw the following conclusions (that involve him being a wolf).


Eomer and Greenie are partners and he voted her in hopes that if he was killed she would be less suspected.
Eomer and Lottie are partners and he was trying to make sure that there was a more acceptable secondary candidate in case votes swung away from Wilwa.
Eomer and Greenie are partners and Eomer's insane. :p
Eomer is not a partner with Greenie (Lottie is irrelevant here) and he thought Wilwa might be the cobbler, so he tried to create another candidate to draw votes away from his "assistant". (Perhaps he thought the same as Nerwen, that she was unhappy about Elf's lynch because she thought him a wolf.)
Eomer's a giant pool noodle and me saying this means I need some sleep.


And with that I'm getting a drink. I mustn't stay up too much longer, but I'll see what else I think of before I pop off to sleep.

[Loslote]

I'm inclined to think that Boro was more of a trailless kill, but who can fathom the warped minds of the evil? :rolleyes:

(Lottie is irrelevant here)

Lottie is never irrelevant, Sallycake. But I do agree with you that these three are most likely:

Eomer and Greenie are partners and he voted her in hopes that if he was killed she would be less suspected.

Eomer and Greenie are partners and Eomer's insane.

Eomer's a giant pool noodle

[Inziladun]

Just a quick note to say that I find this

Eomer's a giant pool noodle

extremely amusing. :D

[satansaloser2005]

I live to serve, oh modly one.

:)




Also, silly me, I just saw/remembered that Lottie voted for Eomer. If they were packmates, she'd be headdesking pretty hard right now. I'm fairly certain she wouldn't wolf-on-wolf at that stage, not when Wilwa was such a certain lynch. There'd be no reason for it and I can't see Lottie doing it anyway.



Also also, quick announcement. I'll be gone the last third or so of the Day, which means I'll be voting somewhere in the next 12-14 hours. Sorry for any inconvenience, etc., etc., but I'm not sure I'll be back and I want to keep my modfire-less record fully intact. :D

[Nerwen]

Yes but it wasn't only that - it's also that she actually repeated yesterday that she felt bad about how he was lynched. To me it didn't look like a wolfish thing to do - I mean, why draw more attention to yourself by defending your dead fellow?
Wilwa's been known to make some rather rash statements in the heat of the moment before, though. I mean last game she (then a wolf) went on about how nobody should reveal because it would make it too easy for the village.

About Greenie and skip: I can hardly judge them for voting the same way I did, but I don't like the fact that neither of them seemed to pay attention to my reservations.

On day 1 Boro made those armpit pickle jokes, saying armpits are ordinary if shaved. As far as I've seen, he tends not to shave his, so my initial thought was "Hey is he claiming to be a gifted?", but I wonder if the wolves would actually have fallen for that, given that he often drops gifted hints on day 1 (especially if he isn't one).
Not "often". Always. But they didn't kill him on Night 2 anyway.

He didn't want to lynch Fea, me, or Pitch, and his top suspects (clarified on day 2) were sally, Lottie and wilwa. He saved Fea by voting EW. If the wolves wanted to go after the seer, Boro's death makes Fea look good.
Up to a point. If the wolves thought he'd dreamed EW, then he couldn't have dreamed Fea too, could he?

I'm inclined to think that Boro was more of a trailless kill, but who can fathom the warped minds of the evil? :rolleyes:
Not just a trailless kill, if he was– the fact that he'd voted EW on Day One gives the pack a reason to kill him, regardless of anything else.

So, Eomer voted for Greenie, which was, at that point, a throw-away vote. No one had really expressed suspicion of her, and Vanilwuffin was by far the leading lynch candidate. This could well have been a wolf clearing his hands of what he knew to be a bandwagon against someone who wasn't a wolf. So far, Eomer does, in my opinion, look like a Big Bad Wolf.
Quite possibly. However his "vendetta" (if that's what it was) against the EW voters really would be foolhardy for a wolf– more so than anything Wilwa did.

[Loslote]

Quite possibly. However his "vendetta" (if that's what it was) against the EW voters really would be foolhardy for a wolf– more so than anything Wilwa did.

Or it could be a double bluff. No one would expect a wolf to be that obvious, so his behavior, and him, are written off. Is Eomer known for being tricksy?

[Nerwen]

Or it could be a double bluff. No one would expect a wolf to be that obvious, so his behavior, and him, are written off. Is Eomer known for being tricksy?
As an ordo or gifted he's generally pretty straight forward. Can't recall what he's like as a wolf, actually. I don't think he's been one for ages.

[A Little Green]

All right, I'm warning you all that I have to vote ridiculously early toDay, like in an hour or so.

Good night and may a lucky star shine on us!

ps. you know who I mean by us!I think someone already pointed this out, but at least it seems I'm not the only one who found this quote more than slightly cobblerish.
I just realised something (which I'm not going to speak about right now - hope that makes me seem more like normal me, ie. annoying, Greenie ) and am actually beginning to get somewhat bad vibes from Boro. Actually more than the normal you this reminds me of somebody else I know.. :rolleyes: Actually, in the light of Boro's death and what Agan said toDay about having got ranger vibes from him, what on earth is this about?
All of Eomer's "cases" are flimsy enough, and I'm not the biggest fan of his lists, but I'm not sure he's not just an overeager ordo. Blah, indecisiveness.

Of course if he's lynched and is another wolf, I'll be epically cross, so for the sake of not semi-defending two wolves, I have to agree that he looks bad.

That and he really does. Sally's decided indecisiveness about Eomer in this post looks a bit wolf-on-wolf-y to me. Or just wolvish.
So what made her vote me over Elf? The fact that I was funny, it seems. Really? Elf's entire first (and only) post was a joke, whereas I'd made a joke and then nipped its misunderstanding in the bud. Not a lot, I'll admit, as I was busy, and I can't fault Agan for voting me for being quiet, but she voted me over Elf, who we now know is a wolf. Her flimsy excuse just happened to make me a better choice than Elf, who had less posts than me? I'm not buying it.

That is what I have a problem with, really. Not that she voted me, but that she voted me over Elf. Perhaps she was concerned that if she voted the Wolf-Warrior (to steal the clever title from Miss Nerwen) others would jump on? Could be. I'm just saying. It makes sense. This is a very interesting point, actually. Agan explained herself pretty well (I don't have the exact quote right now), and now I'm flip-flopping between an innocent and sharp Sally and an evil Agan wriggling out of the accusation, and an innocent Agan and a Sallywolf trying to turn the suspicion from herself to Agan. Ouch. I don't know. But at any rate, that was a very interesting exchange.
I know we shouldn't presume there are hints in the narrations, but it looks like Boro actually decided to protect one of the wolves. Interesting. When somebody goes through his posts (I would do it but my darlings might kill me), they should probably also pay attention to whoever he possibly found worth protection.Now while I know she explained that this one was due to misinterpreting the narration, it still got me thinking.. Unless she is bluffing to have misinterpreted the narration (which, I think, is not something she'd do), this makes her look pretty good. Because if an Aganwolf would have thought the narration pointed to one of her pack being protected by the ranger, she wouldn't exactly point it out and encourage people to check who it was, would she?
On day 1 Boro made those armpit pickle jokes, saying armpits are ordinary if shaved. As far as I've seen, he tends not to shave his, so my initial thought was "Hey is he claiming to be a gifted?", but I wonder if the wolves would actually have fallen for that, given that he often drops gifted hints on day 1 (especially if he isn't one).Loved that argument. That is all. :D
Also, silly me, I just saw/remembered that Lottie voted for Eomer. If they were packmates, she'd be headdesking pretty hard right now. I'm fairly certain she wouldn't wolf-on-wolf at that stage, not when Wilwa was such a certain lynch. There'd be no reason for it and I can't see Lottie doing it anyway.I don't have time to go and check it right now so I ask: wouldn't voting for a packmate be an especially good idea if an innocent was a certain lynch?

[Loslote]

I don't have time to go and check it right now so I ask: wouldn't voting for a packmate be an especially good idea if an innocent was a certain lynch?

Maybe, but if so, that would incriminate Eomer's voting for you more than my voting for Eomer. When Eomer voted for you, there was no support for that lynch. When I voted for Eomer, there was considerable support for his lynch. He would've been lynched if Pitchie and Sally hadn't both missed the DL.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Bit disappointed I'll hardly be here at all today, because it's obvious that I'd get plenty of action were I to stay. Lack of men in the village, and all that. :p

It would be futile to counter every point because the village is getting smaller and I know that everyone - including me - can look like a wolf. (Possibly not Fea, though; I tend to think Boro's slaying makes her look even better than she already did. The one person I feel pretty confident is innocent.)

I will, however, say to Sally that my vote for Greenie was certainly not 'throwaway', or 'random', or 'pointless'. I already had an uneasy feeling about her, and as explained just before voting I felt that she was trying to narrow the voting choice for the day down to Wilwa and Loslote. There were more votes still to come that day (I actually thought we were coming up to deadline and that more posters would be there any moment) so I think it was entirely reasonable and honest to vote for Green, as I was undecided about Wilwa/Loslote.

I will be back in a hour or two to give my thoughts on everyone, and then vote. Won't make it back afterwards as off on a jaunt to Amsterdam with a certain other Barrow-Downer (of impeccable repute).

[A Little Green]

There are two wolves among the following eight.

I don't think are wolves:
skip - I'm inclined to believe he's either innocent or a cobbler, both because of his behaviour and Boro's death.
Fea - Boro's death does point to her innocence, and while I don't trust her entirely I won't worry about her right now.
Agan - Her suggestion about the narration (that I talked about in my previous post) makes me think she's innocent.

I guess the wolves are then among:
Nerwen - Too smooth for me to say anything, could be either and I would never know.
Pitch - No idea at all! I know I'm rubbish at reading him, but I think I should give it a try and analyse him at some point. I don't have the time now. I'm kind of worried about how he slips by without anyone paying much attention to him even though he participates.
Sally - Worries me. Her point against Agan (yesterDay, the thing about why Agan voted her and not Elf-Wolf) looks like a wolf trying to turn the suspicion away from her furry self; her indecisiveness on Eomer looks like wolf-on-wolf or just wolf trying to keep their nose clean. She will probably get my vote toDay.
Lottie - Confuses me way too much right now. Half the stuff she does makes me think "Wolf!", the other half "Innocent!"
Eomer - I don't have that much on him, actually. Except that if Sally is a wolf I might think that he is one, as well.

[A Little Green]

All right, going for the best I've got..

++ Sally

Reasons in my previous post. Now I've got to dash.

[Aganzir]

Up to a point. If the wolves thought he'd dreamed EW, then he couldn't have dreamed Fea too, could he?
No, but he clearly voted for EW only because he wanted to save Fea.

Actually more than the normal you this reminds me of somebody else I know.. :rolleyes:
:)

Actually, in the light of Boro's death and what Agan said toDay about having got ranger vibes from him, what on earth is this about?
The ranger vibes were only one single comment, and even that wasn't very serious, it just made me stop and think for a while.
But heck. I have no idea, either, what that comment is about. I remember it had something to do with the gifted vibes, and something with his jumpiness, but that's about as far as I can retrace my thought process.

Unless she is bluffing to have misinterpreted the narration (which, I think, is not something she'd do), this makes her look pretty good.
I don't need to bluff when it's 4am and I've had a few drinks. ;) But you're right, I wouldn't lie about misreading something.

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by A Little Green
I don't have time to go and check it right now so I ask: wouldn't voting for a packmate be an especially good idea if an innocent was a certain lynch?
Maybe, but if so, that would incriminate Eomer's voting for you more than my voting for Eomer. When Eomer voted for you, there was no support for that lynch. When I voted for Eomer, there was considerable support for his lynch. He would've been lynched if Pitchie and Sally hadn't both missed the DL.

But, Lottie, did you notice that Sally's reasoning is completely the other way round? She regards Wilwa as having been doomed by the time you voted, and argues from that that your vote on Eomer couldn't have been wolf-on-wolf:

Also, silly me, I just saw/remembered that Lottie voted for Eomer. If they were packmates, she'd be headdesking pretty hard right now. I'm fairly certain she wouldn't wolf-on-wolf at that stage, not when Wilwa was such a certain lynch. There'd be no reason for it and I can't see Lottie doing it anyway.

So, that really doesn't make that much sense. She's talking as though wolf-on-wolf is something you only do when your packmate's clearly for it anyway– but she ought to know that's not so.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Nerwen - could go either way. I believe Greenie's vote for Wilwa looks way dodgier than Nerwen's.

Pitch - voted for me but I think he was thinking along my lines .i.e. didn't want to vote Wilwa or Loslote. Understandable, maybe a bit bandwaggony, but inclined to say innocent.

Sally - hard to be objective because I think she's being unfair on me and my vote for Greenie. It also looks a bit like she's feeling the pressure of being suspected.

Lottie - gave a pretty big gifted hint yesterday but is still alive. Pretty suspicious of her now.

Greenie - still suspicious of her. She's very smooth, and her post yesterday where she seemed to want to narrow it down to Wilwa and Loslote, after both of them had received a vote, strikes me as manipulative.

skip - could be going over my head but good chance that he's innocent.

Fea - probably innocent.

Agan - surprisingly, I don't find her very suspicious. She's taking way, way too much for one thing (despite claiming that she's busy) and it looks to me like she's being really open.

Eomer - probably makes no sense.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

++A LITTLE GREEN

If Greenie's innocent, and obviously depending on what happens in the night, I'd kill Loslote tomorrow.

Sally is my other most suspicious person.

See you. :)

[Aganzir]

I have to go now, and my opinions haven't really changed much because I haven't had time to, well, change them.

++skip

I'll have to do some serious thinking before being able to determine who in this bunch is a wolf, and I don't really suspect skip of wolvery but he looks like a very possible cobbler to me (for reasons I've mentioned in my previous posts). It's now two wolves & the cobbler against six villagers, and despite the fact that they can't be sure of each other's identities, lynching the cobbler wouldn't do any harm.

See you (hopefully) some time toMorrow.

[skip spence]

I'm here and gonna give this an hour or so, reading back to try to make some sense of what's been happening. Not too happy about how yesterDay and Night unfolded...


++skip
I'll have to do some serious thinking before being able to determine who in this bunch is a wolf, and I don't really suspect skip of wolvery but he looks like a very possible cobbler to me (for reasons I've mentioned in my previous posts). It's now two wolves & the cobbler against six villagers, and despite the fact that they can't be sure of each other's identities, lynching the cobbler wouldn't do any harm.

Not so happy about this vote. If you think I'm a wolf, fair enough, but a vote on solely the account of some flimsy cobblery accusation seems suspect.

I mean. like Agan says, the cobbler has no way of knowing the identity of the wolves at the moment. Doesn't this mean that cobbler can just as easily do the wolves harm as he/she can be of help to them, really? In the light of this, going for the cobbler when there are two wolves out there seems odd. But as much as I'd like to quarrel with Agan about this, it looks like she's gone for the Day.

Okay, will do some reading now...

[Nerwen]

Not so happy about this vote. If you think I'm a wolf, fair enough, but a vote on solely the account of some flimsy cobblery accusation seems suspect.

I mean. like Agan says, the cobbler has no way of knowing the identity of the wolves at the moment. Doesn't this mean that cobbler can just as easily do the wolves harm as he/she can be of help to them, really?
Indeed, it might be argued that if you're the cobbler we should certainly keep you around.;)
However–
In the light of this, going for the cobbler when there are two wolves out there seems odd.
It's not really that odd, if you've got no idea who else to vote– cobblers who survive into the endgame are very dangerous, because then the wolves can reveal openly, and they all vote together.

It is also true, of course, that going after "the cobbler" can be a lupine excuse for failure to hunt wolves.

[skip spence]

Indeed, it might be argued that if you're the cobbler we should certainly keep you around.;)
It might...

It's not really that odd, if you've got no idea who else to vote– cobblers who survive into the endgame are very dangerous, because then the wolves can reveal openly, and they all vote together.

True that. Still I'd argue that would be more of a concern for the wolves trying to make sure they don't accidentally kill the cobbler, then a concern for the village trying to actively hunt down the cobbler.

[satansaloser2005]

I don't have time to go and check it right now so I ask: wouldn't voting for a packmate be an especially good idea if an innocent was a certain lynch?

No, because there were people who suspected Eomer. Thus, voting him could (and in fact did) put up fairly high on the potential lynch list very quickly. At least four people had previously said that they suspected, didn't trust, etc. Eomer. If Lottie is his packmate and she knows there is a possibility that people will jump onto her vote, would she really vote for her packmate, especially when she could just sit still and wait for Wilwa to die? I don't think so.

I could be wrong, of course, but I don't see Lottie making that move at that time.

Sally - Worries me. Her point against Agan (yesterDay, the thing about why Agan voted her and not Elf-Wolf) looks like a wolf trying to turn the suspicion away from her furry self; her indecisiveness on Eomer looks like wolf-on-wolf or just wolf trying to keep their nose clean. She will probably get my vote toDay.

I think this is interesting, considering that before she wasn't sure about whether I was wolf hunting or a wolf myself, and now she seems certain that I was deflecting. She seems to have just magically made the decision just so she can vote me with a semi-clear conscience and have a good "case" on me. Bwah?


*blinks* Heh. It's been a while since I've been a regular ordo. I forgot how much I focus on making sure people suspect wolves rather than me. I do so hate for people to waste their time on frivolous accusations. Then again, at this point I'm thinking Greenie's likely a wolf, so that's comforting. :p


EDIT: x'd with Skip

[Nerwen]

True that. Still I'd argue that would be more of a concern for the wolves trying to make sure they don't accidentally kill the cobbler, then a concern for the village trying to actively hunt down the cobbler.

Yes, but what I'm saying is that the cobbler can make an acceptable fallback lynch if you're not sure who else to vote. (Wolves, as I also said, may also hunt the cobbler to look useful.)

EDIT:X'd with Sally.

[satansaloser2005]

Now this is interesting....

Now with less than 10 minutes left of the Day, almost than half the village - and at least one wolf - is yet to vote, so anything can still happen. Vote tally at this point: 2 Fea, 2 Elf, 1 Pitch, 1 Greenie, 1 Sally


How could he possibly know that? Skip, care to explain?

I can't decide if he's going by statistics or actual knowledge. *ponders*




A list, I see, a list indeed, but first a few thoughts.

Agan and Greenie's cases on me make no sense, Greenie's especially. While before I had thought Eomer a possible top suspect, Agan seemed to hop onto me quite suddenly, and since I started suspecting her she's pressed harder. A possible panicked wolf? Greenie, however, looks a wolf based on most of her behavior. Her vote for Wilwa (and then for me, when she had said in a closely previous post that she was so far undecided on me) makes me extremely worried.

I think that either Eomer or Greenie HAS to be a wolf, because while I don't think them being wolves together is an option any longer, I think they're both rather independently evil, Greenie especially. I can't get a feel on who Agan's pack would be, which makes me think that perhaps she's not a wolf after all, but she, too, feels furry and opportunistic. Perhaps a Finnish pack? I'm not sure.

Greenie's #206 is the most worrisome post for me. She gives the possibility both of me catching Agan and me trying to set her up, and then quickly seems to decide that I must be the evil one in the situation. Quick hop of logic there.


Basically my main suspects are Greenie and Eomer, because I'm almost certain that one of them is evil, and Agan as third place. Skip too depending on how he answers my question above.


EDIT: x'd with Nerwen.

[skip spence]

Okay, looking at how the voting and discussion unfolded yesterDay there is one thing that makes me stop to wonder.

The whole thing just sort of died out after Wilwa got her third vote (by me, terribly sorry about that!), didn't it? Here's how it went down:

Wilwa votes for Loslote

Nerwen votes for Wilwa

Boromir votes for Sally

Green votes for Wilwa (2)

skip votes for Wilwa (3)

Now we know that Wilwa and Boro were innocent and their motivations can't be mistrusted. Me, Nerwen and Greenie vote for Wilwa rather early, for reasons that did turn out to be faulty, but were rather clearly expressed early on. Then nothing really happened up until the DL.

Thing is, with the knowledge that Wilwa was an ordo, any wolves left to vote at that point would have been perfectly happy just sit back and waiver back and forth in indecision, wouldn't they? Their hands clean and all that.

Now I'm not saying that Nerwen and Greenie are necessarily innocent, but there's just something about the situation that makes me think that there were no wolves among the Wilwa-voters. Could be wrong, of course, yet:


Sally and Pitch, why did you leave voting until so late?
Yes indeed. Why did you?

[skip spence]

Now with less than 10 minutes left of the Day, almost than half the village - and at least one wolf - is yet to vote, so anything can still happen. Vote tally at this point: 2 Fea, 2 Elf, 1 Pitch, 1 Greenie, 1 Sally
How could he possibly know that? Skip, care to explain?
Yes. Elf was a wolf, remember?

[Nerwen]

No, because there were people who suspected Eomer. Thus, voting him could (and in fact did) put up fairly high on the potential lynch list very quickly. At least four people had previously said that they suspected, didn't trust, etc. Eomer. If Lottie is his packmate and she knows there is a possibility that people will jump onto her vote, would she really vote for her packmate, especially when she could just sit still and wait for Wilwa to die? I don't think so.
All right, that makes more sense.

EDIT:X'd with Sally and Skip.

[satansaloser2005]

Yes. Elf was a wolf, remember?

Wait a minute....wait a minute....*looks* Oh bother. I'm terribly sorry. I'd been page hopping and for some reason I thought that was on Day Two, not Day One. :o


Never mind then....:rolleyes:

[Nerwen]

Greenie's #206 is the most worrisome post for me. She gives the possibility both of me catching Agan and me trying to set her up, and then quickly seems to decide that I must be the evil one in the situation. Quick hop of logic there.

Yes, but she did give a reason for that in the same post:
Because if an Aganwolf would have thought the narration pointed to one of her pack being protected by the ranger, she wouldn't exactly point it out and encourage people to check who it was, would she?

EDIT:X'd with Sally.

[Nerwen]

Wait a minute....wait a minute....*looks* Oh bother. I'm terribly sorry. I'd been page hopping and for some reason I thought that was on Day Two, not Day One. :o


Never mind then....:rolleyes:
Do you know, I made the same mistake? For a moment I thought I'd been privileged to witness one of the great wolf-slips of all time. But alas!

[satansaloser2005]

She would if she thought it wouldn't point back to her or her packmate. In fact, it woud be a wise move, because people would do two predictable things....

1. Waste time checking through Boro's posts for hints that may not even exist.

2. Follow up on those hints by voting people he clearly trusted/might have protected, thus not voting for Agan or her partner.



I'm not saying it's the case, I'm just saying that it would be a clever move. And, as we both know from past pack experience, Agan is a very clever wolf.

[satansaloser2005]

Do you know, I made the same mistake? For a moment I thought I'd been privileged to witness one of the great wolf-slips of all time. But alas!

Oh good, it's not just me. Heh.


And I know, right?!?! *is disappointed* :(

[Nerwen]

She would if she thought it wouldn't point back to her or her packmate.
Oh yes, she might have, indeed. I'm not putting forward Greenie's argument because I agree with it, because I don't, but to point that she did give a reason for suspecting you rather than Agan.

[satansaloser2005]

Oh yes, she might have, indeed. I'm not putting forward Greenie's argument because I agree with it, because I don't, but to point that she did give a reason for suspecting you rather than Agan.

Oh don't worry, I get that. I just realized that Agan would totally do that, and wanted to put it forward to people who may not have thought of it.


I have to vote in like two hours. For now, however, I need to get ready to go....erm, where I'm going today (o_O) so I'll be gone for a bit.

[satansaloser2005]

Well it's that time, crazy kids. I have to vote, and it's far too quiet.

++Greenie


If she isn't a wolf, then Eomer almost certainly is. However, I'm not sure if I'll be back before DL and she's marginally more suspicious to me right now, so yeah.


Play nice while I'm away, kids. And don't forget....

You gotta find the Bad Wolf
Make a case for demise
Type your votee's name in
And press the plus key twice
But it's the highlight tag that really seals their doom,
Let's kill another wolf soon!

[skip spence]

Okay, still working on my theory that both remaining wolves were still to vote when Wilwa got her third vote.

That leaves Eomer, Lottie, Fea, Agan, Pitch and Sally.

Starting with Eomer who did end up voting for Greenie soon after me. I'm not entirely happy about this one-man crusade, since it can be seen as a bit of a throwaway, and I am divided about his lupine credentials.

Lottie voted for Eomer for pretty suspect reasons. It was mostly mine and his comments about her alterered playing-style that did it I think. She also made a fairly obvious gifted hint, as someone else pointed out, yet lived through the night. On the other hand, her decisive role in killing off Wolf-warrior speaks for her.

Fea didn't vote which isn't too reassuring, but I'm not overly worried about her at this point.

Agan voted Eomer and set him up as a serious alternative for the lynch. I sort of like the decisiveness about that. Although I think that Agan is acting rather cobblerish too, bringing up very minor points, making hens out of feathers in a somewhat disturbing manner. I know this might sound like throwing the accusation right back, but well, there you go.

Then Pitch throws out a late vote for Eomer, which would've killed him had it come on time. Was that really an accident? Obviously one wonders now about the identity of Eomer. A good scenario for the wolves, if Eomer is innocent, surely?

And then there's Sally, claiming she missed the DL because of her shoddy internet connection. I'm very concerned about Sally actually. If you are still around, who did you mean to vote for?

[skip spence]

Vote tally:

Greenie --> Sally

Eomer --> Greenie

Aganzir --> skip

Sally --> Greenie (2)

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

I don't at all care how suspicious it makes me look to not be around all Day and then just spontaneo-vote for somebody I've not expressed feelings about. Particularly since I'm not going to bother trying to make myself look good by giving you a bunch of bogus reasons as to why this doesn't look suspicious. Of course it does, and I'd be lying if I was like, "No, really, it's completely legitimate to just show up and vote for somebody without giving any good reason."

++Skip

I would much rather see him go than Greenie. If I'm wrong, well, my bad. And if I'm right, I hope the wolves kill me so the seer can get another night.

And more importantly, I hope the seer's dream targets are all still alive so that we get a few known innocents instead of just one or none.

[skip spence]

Oh, hello Fea! :)

Shame on you though.

Gotta go now and since I don't know whether I'll be back before DL:

++Sally

[Pitchwife]

Interesting choice of Night-kill. If Boro was killed because he looked gifted to the wolves, I'd guess he would have seemed more seerish than rangerish - he didn't talk about a lot of people, but was quite explicit and decided about who he didn't want to see lynched, so maybe they thought he was protecting a dreamed innocent.

And wilwa turned out an ordo - which means we have our first bandwagon against a known innocent to analyze. I'll have to look closer at skip toDay, and maybe reconsider about Greenie.

Sally and Pitch, why did you leave voting until so late?
Why indeed? I could kick myself - one of the few Days ever when I have a chance to actually stay around till DL and make a difference, and I botch it. Pity for wilwa.
Basically, I had some last-minute second thoughts about Eomer - nothing concrete, more a concern that I might be tunnel-visioning and exaggerating things (last time I had too much confidence that I'd found a wolf, it led to a little disaster - see Nerwen's game), so I went back to skim through his posts once more in a hurry, was none the wiser (it was getting late too) and decided to go with my suspicion anyway. Now the stupid thing is that my computer clock isn't quite in synch with the Downs clock, and I hadn't refreshed for a while, so I miscalculated the time I had left by a few crucial minutes. Blargh.

[Loslote]

But, Lottie, did you notice that Sally's reasoning is completely the other way round? She regards Wilwa as having been doomed by the time you voted, and argues from that that your vote on Eomer couldn't have been wolf-on-wolf:

I was the first to vote Eomer, yeah, but Sally and Pitchie had both expressed suspicion of him. I'm not going to add Agan there, because I don't remember if she expressed suspicion of him before or after I voted for him. It wasn't a throwaway; I was honestly trying to get him lynched.

Lottie - gave a pretty big gifted hint yesterday but is still alive. Pretty suspicious of her now.

I did what now?

I mean. like Agan says, the cobbler has no way of knowing the identity of the wolves at the moment. Doesn't this mean that cobbler can just as easily do the wolves harm as he/she can be of help to them, really? In the light of this, going for the cobbler when there are two wolves out there seems odd. But as much as I'd like to quarrel with Agan about this, it looks like she's gone for the Day.

Oh, my...Agan and her cobber-hunting ferver again. She does this every game, you know, and someone always disagrees with her. :p

Lottie voted for Eomer for pretty suspect reasons. It was mostly mine and his comments about her alterered playing-style that did it I think. She also made a fairly obvious gifted hint, as someone else pointed out, yet lived through the night. On the other hand, her decisive role in killing off Wolf-warrior speaks for her.

As Eomer himself pointed out. And I still don't know what "fairly obvious hint" you guys are talking about! :rolleyes:

[Pitchwife]

I still don't know what "fairly obvious hint" you guys are talking about! :rolleyes:
Presumably this
The only game he could have been talking about was Nerwen's. Now, the logical way to proceed with this line of reasoning is, "was she a wolf in that game"? As it happens, no. I was Gifted. If I die toNight, may I ask that Eomer not be overlooked?
and this
I was pointing out that you'd just liked my behavior now to my behavior as a Gifted, and that if I died, I'd be highly suspicious of you...although, now that I've said that, we have to take even that with a heaping spoonful of salt.
At the time, I took Eo's comment about your behaviour as an accusation of wolvery rather than a speculation about your possible giftedness, so it was actually you who dragged the question of gifteds out into the open; but I don't know that you'd have done that if you were one, so I don't see the big hint here.

[Loslote]

Presumably this

and this

At the time, I took Eo's comment about your behaviour as an accusation of wolvery rather than a speculation about your possible giftedness, so it was actually you who dragged the question of gifteds out into the open; but I don't know that you'd have done that if you were one, so I don't see the big hint here.

Oh, that? I didn't even think about how it might look like a Gifted hint. It wasn't meant to be one. :rolleyes:

[Pitchwife]

I must say I find Eomer's unrelenting crusade against Greenie more than a bit puzzling. This is the third Day in a row that he's voted her. Now I'm not at all familiar with his wolfing habits, but would he really do something that eye-catching and questionable as a wolf? Maybe someone who's had more experience with him could answer this.

[Pitchwife]

Speaking of voting patterns, does anybody see one here?

D2
Nerwen -> wilwa
Greenie -> wilwa (2)
skip -> wilwa (3)

D3
Greenie -> sally
skip -> sally (2)

Now I doubt that wolves would coordinate their votes so obviously, but if skip were the cobbler and thought he'd found a wolf in Greenie, it would make sense, wouldn't it? (Whether or not she is one is irrelevant to this.) I may be coming round to Agan's view after all...

[Loslote]

Now I doubt that wolves would coordinate their votes so obviously, but if skip were the cobbler and thought he'd found a wolf in Greenie, it would make sense, wouldn't it? (Whether or not she is one is irrelevant to this.) I may be coming round to Agan's view after all...

I thought this was pretty interesting, so here's a look at some of Skip's posts toDay:

Now we know that Wilwa and Boro were innocent and their motivations can't be mistrusted. Me, Nerwen and Greenie vote for Wilwa rather early, for reasons that did turn out to be faulty, but were rather clearly expressed early on. Then nothing really happened up until the DL.

Thing is, with the knowledge that Wilwa was an ordo, any wolves left to vote at that point would have been perfectly happy just sit back and waiver back and forth in indecision, wouldn't they? Their hands clean and all that.

Now I'm not saying that Nerwen and Greenie are necessarily innocent, but there's just something about the situation that makes me think that there were no wolves among the Wilwa-voters. Could be wrong, of course, yet:

So here he's defending the Vanilwuffin voters, including Greenie. If he were the cobbler, and he did think Greenie was evil, that is the sort of thing I'd expect - and he does it with enough of a reserved air not to attract much attention to himself.

Starting with Eomer who did end up voting for Greenie soon after me. I'm not entirely happy about this one-man crusade, since it can be seen as a bit of a throwaway, and I am divided about his lupine credentials.

Here he's putting a negative light on Eomer's crusade against Greenie. Since a lot of people think that one or the other must be a wolf, this could easily be interperted as Skip trying to nudge us towards Eomer and away from Greenie.

[*highlight]++Sally[/highlight*]

And finally he votes Sallycake. At that time, there were two votes for him, one vote for Sally, and two for Greenie. Obviously he couldn't vote for himself, so instead he follows Greenie's lead, because if he were the cobbler, he couldn't very well vote for what he thought to be a wolf - unless, of course, he wanted to pull a Boro and force a "save Greenie" bandwagon. But I don't think he played that game, so his only real option was to vote Sallycake.

So yeah, I do think Skip could well be the cobbler. But I'd prefer to lynch Eomer or Greenie, who I think could well be wolves.

[Pitchwife]

Hmmm... I don't really know what to think of Greenie now. Haven't seen anything particularly wolvish in her up to now, and thought she looked quite good (pun intended;)). But I've fallen for the charms of a Greenwolf once before, so...?

To be fair, she called skip's you-know-who-I-mean remark 'more than a bit cobblerish'; if she really thought he's the cobbler I don't think she'd done that as a wolf (unless one of the wolves was in serious danger, in which case it could make sense to sacrifice the cobbler instead).

But then I don't like her vote on sally today based on the exchange between Agan and sally about Agan's Day One vote. I didn't find Agan's vote very well-reasoned myself at the time, and I think it was OK for sally to question her about it. Greenie's interpretation that a sallywolf was trying to deflect suspicion (of which there wasn't really a lot) from herself to Agan there looks a bit stretched.

[Pitchwife]

It's getting late again on this side of the ocean, and after what happened yesterDay I should take care not to vote at the last minute again, so...

As for wolf-suspects, it's between Eomer and Greenie for me (obviously they can hardly be packmates); which most likely means that I'm overlooking somebody, but no time to examine everybody else toDay.

I can't really make up my mind between them toDay (my brain not being in perfect working condition at this hour), so I think I'll go for the probable cobbler:

++skip

I hate to do this in his absence, but I've got to sleep, and there's still hope he'll be back.
Good night.

[Loslote]

Greenie --> Sally

Eomer --> Greenie

Aganzir --> skip

Sally --> Greenie (2)

Fea --> skip (2)

Skip --> Sally (2)

Pitchie --> skip (3)

Lottie --> Greenie (3)

++Greenie

Still to vote: Nerwen.

Oh, and I voted Greenie because of her odd reasoning about Agan and Sally, and because of her strange/evil-looking voting record.

[Inziladun]

Greenie--> Sally (1)
Eomer--> Greenie (1)
Agan--> skip (1)
Sally--> Greenie (2)
Fea--> skip (2)
skip--> Sally (2)
Pitch--> skip (3)
Lottie--> Greenie (3)

Left to vote:Nerwen

DL is in 30 minutes.

[satansaloser2005]

Back for the rest of the evening. :)

Quick forum question. Is multi-quoting acting up for anyone else?

Anyway, in repsonse to Skip's question earlier toDay (about who I planned to vote for yesterDay) I've already answered it. I intended to vote Eomer.


Truthfully right now I'd be happy with either Eomer or Greenie being gone, but I feel we could learn a bit more from Greenie's death, which is why I voted her toDay instead of Eomer.


Need to get settled in and such, and then I'll be back. :D

[Nerwen]

Okay, sorry for not being around.

I'm just thinking what to do– despite my reservations earlier, I wouldn't mind giving Greenie a shot (I feel rather better about Sally after her responses to me).

However, the other candidate's skip, and after sounding him out I do think he might well be the cobbler. (Which Greenie pointed out... Hmmn...)

And if we don't get one of the baddies toDay we're in trouble.

EDIT: X'd with Sally.

[satansaloser2005]

However, the other candidate's skip, and after sounding him out I do think he might well be the cobbler. (Which Greenie pointed out... Hmmn...)

Then you know who your vote has to be, don't you?