Melodrama in Middle-earth

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Aye, aye. :)

I'm reading Quenta Silmarillion again (and have been able to confirm it's my favourite book) and happened upon a thought. It was right at the start of 'Nirnaeth Arnoediad' - in that little bit which is a continuation of 'Beren and Luthien'. The text reads:

"But Melian looked in her eyes and read the doom that was written there, and turned away; for she knew that a parting beyond the end of the world had come between them, and no grief of loss has been heavier than the grief of Melian the Maia in that hour."

It's about Luthien choosing to die with Beren rather than hanging around in Valinor forever.

Now, does anyone else find this a bit strange? That this event should be described in such grave terms? I get it: it's sad when a child leaves her mother never to return. But was there really no grief greater than this in history?

[Bêthberry]

Aye, aye. :)

Now, does anyone else find this a bit strange? That this event should be described in such grave terms? I get it: it's sad when a child leaves her mother never to return. But was there really no grief greater than this in history?

Tolkien is exploring the difference between those who, being essentially immortal, never know loss, and those who, being mortal, live constantly with that knowledge.

Here, for the first time, Melian experiences what it means to be human. And does so within deeply personal terms, a dreaded and almost primal fear of most human parents: outliving their own child. Nothing in her experience as an immortal has prepared her for this.

Such poignant recognition of the limit of life is one of the central themes of Tolkien's mythology. Anyone who has lost someone they deeply love, let alone a parent who has lost a child, is faced with the enormity of this irrevocable, final act.

Middle-earth offers no solution to this, unless one reads, very carefully, for the hints of the answer which Tolkien clung to in his own life.

[Galadriel55]

This scene reminds me of the one in The Tale of Aragorn and Arwen when Aragorn dies. I can't quote from the book right now, but Arwen says soething like this: "Not until now did I understand in full measure the bitterness of the fate of Men". Even though this is a different kind of relationship than a mother---daughter one, it is still a loosing a loved one. Could Melian perhaps be experiencing something similar? Maybe she also took for granted that Men die, and she might have grieved a bit for the death of some of them (not that she knew any of them close until Beren came). She probably felt sympathetic towards their losses, and as much as she could empathetic, but the real thing was unknown to her until Luthien left her.
And, like Bêthberry said, she was unprepared for this, not only because she was immortal, but also because Luthien was the first immortal to marry a man. No such a thing existed before for elian to take comfort in.
But Melian has noone to blame but herself for Luthien's choice. Luthien followed her other's steps - Melian was first maia to marry a non-ainur, and Luthien the first elf to marry a man. Melian passed it on, didn't she? :) *I didn't really mean that. I was just joking. :)*

[Puddleglum]

Now, does anyone else find this a bit strange? That this event should be described in such grave terms? I get it: it's sad when a child leaves her mother never to return. But was there really no grief greater than this in history?
It's not just a matter of a child leaving the home. You have to understand the essence of what "The Gift of the One to Men" is.

Eru created the universe (Ea) and the Valar/Maier entered into it. There to remain AS LONG AS EA ENDURED.
The Eldar, Eru created so that they also would remain within Ea AS LONG AS EA ENDURED. Their bodies may be destroyed (and their spirits go to Mandos) but the Valar could rebuild the body and rehouse the spirit so that fellowship was only interupted.

But the essential gift to Men (Atani) was that they would leave the universe (Ea), NEVER TO RETURN.

For Melian, it meant that she would NEVER see Luthien again as long as the universe lasted!
It's that *NEVER AS LONG AS EA LASTS* that makes the grief so great.

And it is made more poignant by the fact that Melian had always EXPECTED that she and Luthien would HAVE fellowship, not just for a few years (like Atani) - but that their fellowship would LAST - - AS LONG AS EA ENDURES.

From the expectation of Universe-Enduring Fellowship, to the reality of Universe-Enduring Separation.
The closest I can think of in our experience would be for a young newlywed, terribly in love with their spouse, to have that spouse unexpectedly and tragically die on their honeymoon. No more lifetime of growing and loving together - all ripped away with no hope of remedy.

That is the same grief that Elrond later experienced when Arwen chose mortality.

The flip-side, however, was that Beren and Luthien TOGETHER passed beyond Ea. And, similarly, Aragorn and Arwen TOGETHER passed beyond Ea. And there, as Aragorn told Arwen would be (for them) MORE THAN MEMORY.

[Galadriel55]

Originally death was meant to be a relief from "earthly pains and troubles". Elves should really be jealous of Men, in my opinion. But Morgoth convinced many men that death is bad and in their curse - basically turned it all around. I don't think that the Valar ever thought that some elves will choose to die, especially after Morgoth's lies about that subject. I won't even speculate on what Eru thought of that matter.

"For Melian, it meant that she would NEVER see Luthien again as long as the universe lasted! That is the same grief that Elrond later experienced when Arwen chose mortality."

Yes, but Elrond's situation is less severe, because a) he predicted this outcome, and b) he could take cofort in a similar story that happened before. I think that it plays a big part that Luthien was THE FIRST to choose this. And yes, I totally agree that Melian's loss is heavier than those of men, since she won't see Luthien until the world ends.
I won't call it melodrama, but rather reality like it is.

[Puddleglum]

Yes, but Elrond's situation is less severe, because a) he predicted this outcome, and b) he could take comfort in a similar story that happened before.
That's a good point, Galadriel55, I hadn't thought of that. Though it is also <possible> the foresight worked more to mitigate the initial emotional shock, rather than the underlying or continuing grief of loss.

There is one other tidbit I just ran across again from LOTR/ToTK "Many Partings", after the funeral of Theoden and official betrothal of Faramir & EowenArwen ... said farewell to her brethern. None saw her last meeting with Elrond her father, for they went up into the hills and there spoke long together, and bitter was their parting that should endure beyond the ends of the world.That "beyond the ends of the world" caught my eye and, on considering, brought back to mind something I had forgotten. Namely, that:

While Atani had a promise (tho often not really believed or understood) that they would depart Ea and go beyond "the circles of the world" (ie, to where Eru still dwealt).
The Eldar had NO SUCH PROMISE. All they knew was that "Elves die not till the world dies" (Sil, chp 1). They had no promise for what would happen after that.

Finrod (in the Athrabeth in HoME vol 10) put it this wayThe end will come. That we all know. And then we must die; we must perish utterly, it seems, for we belong to Arda., Beyond THE DAY ... we have no knowledge. And no one speaks to us of hope.
So, while men may have a hope of an afterlife (as it is called now), Melian and Elrond had a basis for seeing the loss as absolutely ETERNAL - never to see Luthien/Arwen again even after the end of Arda.
Thus "A parting that should endure beyond the ends of the world."
For me, while elevating the poignancy of the episode, this also highlights Elrond's nobility and wisdom: that even with this terrible loss before and around him (with Aragorn as the proximate cause) he continued to love and aid and support Aragorn - and delivered, of free-will, Arwen's hand to Aragorn in marriage sealing and afirmming his loss.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Thanks for the replies, and it seems to me that I missed this significance due to my belief that there is no afterlife. Of course you will never see her again, I automatically think. But for Melian, that wasn't so. Good points. :)

[Morthoron]

Would melodrama in Middle-earth be measured on an angstrom scale?

Sorry, too much coffee this morning.

[Bêthberry]

Would melodrama in Middle-earth be measured on an angstrom scale?

Sorry, too much coffee this morning.

Sounds more like some pipeweed mellowdrama to me, Morth. :D