WW: LXXXVI - The Halls of Mandos

[Rikae]

This is an experimental game with an additional game thread for the dead.

Activities on the living thread:
Plain old werewolf, except: Roles are not revealed upon death.

Activities on the dead thread:
Every Day, the dead people get to vote on giving one of the living an extra vote. Their voting ends at the same time as the living vote ends, so it will be unknown to the living who among them has the extra vote. The identity of the double voter will be revealed in the narration. Every Night (beginning when there are at least 3 dead), the dead people vote for one among themselves . At the end of the vote it will be revealed whether the person counts for the wolves or the innocent. (In other words, they will be told whether a fellow dead person is a wolf or not.)

The living may not look into the dead thread. There is, of course, no way to actually enforce that, so players are on the honor system.
The dead can continue reading the living thread, but, of course, may not post there. They may also read the entire dead thread, including parts posted before their own death.

Participation in the Mandos thread is optional. No modfire is awaiting anyone.
Living players who do not vote for two consecutive days will be modfired (moved to the dead thread).

Players who don't abide by the lovely werewolf rules will be modfired (for real), glazed, and used to mix cookie dough. :P

Macalaure will be my co-mod, and we can start the game once we have a full village (ideally 20, but we'll go ahead with fewer if signups are slow).

Deadline will probably be around 10 or 11 PM EST.

Multiple lynches of any number of players are allowed. In Mandos, tied votes will be decided by a coin toss.l


The roles (let us know if you have any suggestions/comments):

-3 wolves. Normal wolf pack.
Clarification:
Living wolves can PM one another by Night, and dead wolves can PM one another at any time. Living wolves, however, cannot communicate with dead wolves.

-3 cobblers. No special powers.

-Beren and Lúthien - Lovers: when one dies, xe spends 1 Day among the dead, then returns to the living for 1 Day, after which both die. Aligned with the village, win if village wins.

-Glorfindel - Ranger: like the lovers, Glorfindel will spend 1 Day in Mandos and then return to the living the Day after that. Before his return, he has one protection per Night; after his return, he will have the ability to protect two people every Night. He can protect himself. He cannot protect a person twice in a row.

-Seer. Normal seer, except that xe continues to dream after xer death. Can only dream of the living when alive, can only dream of the dead after his death. Can detect cobblers.

-Hunter. Normal illogical hunter.


Players:

Shasta
Nogrod
Aganzir
Glirdan
A Little Green
elronds_daughter
Mänwe
Nerwen
Loslote
Wilwa
Legate
Lommy
Nessa
Blind Guardian
satansaloser2005
the phantom
Boromir88
Mithalwen
Anguirel
Fea

[Loslote]

Oh, wow. This looks like so very much fun! I am definitely in.

[wilwarin538]

This looks too amazing to pass up, so despite being sorta busy with school I have to join! School isn't that important anyway. :p

[Nogrod]

Oops! A cool idea indeed!

Wouldn't you wish to lynch me early, Please! This is the first time I'll beg for it! :)

I like the new Ranger & seer -rules! :cool:

I do hope you'll bring the number of cobblers down if we don't have 20 players though...? I mean if the living are not able to know what was the alignment of the dead, a bunch of cobblers will make it just... nightmarish. :eek:

Like they would know in turn... heh.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

How can Glorfindel die for real? Just wondering, because the way I'm reading it now, it's that at the beginning he protects one person per night, wolves kill him, he spends a day in Mandos, comes back the next day powered up. Is it just that if he dies again he dies for real?

Also, for the roles that can vacillate between the two threads - can information from the Mandos thread leak into the 'alive' thread that way, or are players that vacillate on the honor system not to reveal anything from there?

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Now that sounds really too interesting! Sign me in for sure.

And for that matter, I think Lommy also wanted to sign up (Greenie had said that as part of her own sign-up).

Multiple lynches of any number of players are allowed.

Ai, ai, I predict that this will not end well... but anyway, does this mean it works also for Mandos? I assume not, because it won't make much sense, so what are the rules for a tie of votes for Mandos?

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by Rikae
Multiple lynches of any number of players are allowed.
Ai, ai, I predict that this will not end well...
Hey, it worked fine in the Orc-game... for the Orcs anyway.;)

[Macalaure]

How can Glorfindel die for real?

First time he dies he returns after spending one Day in Mandos. Second time he dies, he goes to Mandos for good.

Also, for the roles that can vacillate between the two threads - can information from the Mandos thread leak into the 'alive' thread that way, or are players that vacillate on the honor system not to reveal anything from there?

Yes. That's the point, in fact. We should have mentioned that.

While the living officially know nothing about the roles of the lynched/killed, the dead accumulate knowledge one by one and the two people who can return from the dead can provide some light for the living.

Ai, ai, I predict that this will not end well... but anyway, does this mean it works also for Mandos? I assume not, because it won't make much sense, so what are the rules for a tie of votes for Mandos?

Ah, we missed that, I think. No double choices for the dead, but we haven't thought about the tie-breaker, yet. Will soon be added.

[Nessa Telrunya]

Woah, this sounds great! I may be slow this week because I'm starting a new semester, but go ahead and sign me up! :)

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Hey, it worked fine in the Orc-game... for the Orcs anyway.;)

That's exactly what I was thinking. I was among those who got lynched back then... ;)

[Aganzir]

This sounds fabulous.

This is a silly question, but when a person dies, is she allowed to read the entire Dead Thread and not just from her death on?

[Macalaure]

You're allowed (and encouraged) to read the entire dead thread.

[Rikae]

Great to see everyone!

Do you think it's too difficult for the village? They do have the reincarnating ranger, as well as a way to access the dreams of a dead seer, but I'm not sure if that is enough to balance the large number of baddies & lack of knowledge. Perhaps I could add another advantage for the innocents.

Cobblers are important so that the dead thread can potentially be a den of cobblery (more so the better the village does, even) & wolf kills won't automatically be known innocents. If the innocents do badly, the influence of the dead will be more positive, too.

You can imagine, I love being able to force people to rely more heavily on interpreting posts... ;)

[Mänwe]

Multiple lynches of any number of players are allowed.

Sorry Rikae and Mac, but could you clarify how this works please?

[Rikae]

If two (or more) players are tied for the highest number of votes, they both (all) get lynched.

[Mänwe]

Ah! Thanks :)

[Aganzir]

Ah, we missed that, I think. No double choices for the dead, but we haven't thought about the tie-breaker, yet. Will soon be added.
So I take it that the Dead Thread doesn't sleep (ie. they post both night and day)? And when the first person is lynched, she can just vote to reveal her role, right? :p

Does the seer see cobblers as ordos?

[Glirdan]

Just a forewarning to all that with the added adition to now being a part of my local community theatre group in my life (yes, the same one that I was a part of last year and had to leave Boston early for :P), my time may be cut back quite substantially. Everything is all up in the air so don't be surprised if I am not posting frequently.

Oh, and in case anyone is wondering, we're performing Miss Saigon :D

[Rikae]

Yep, the dead vote night and day. I'm not sure whether to give the seer the power to see cobblers or not yet.

[Kitanna]

The DL for Nog's game was too pressing for me because it was right when I got out of work. Buuut....despite my better judgement I might have to play. Please put me down as a maybe. I'll look at my work schedule and let you know.

[elronds_daughter]

This sounds like lots of complex fun. It'll make me feel better if I get dead too quickly. :)

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Yep, the dead vote night and day. I'm not sure whether to give the seer the power to see cobblers or not yet.

Well, you were looking for another advantage to give the innocents... but on the other hand, making it that simple to find the cobblers may make them too harmless.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

You're allowed (and encouraged) to read the entire dead thread.
Oh, that might be quite a lot of reading... especially if Cobblers wreak havoc there... well, I guess that's the point...

Do you think it's too difficult for the village? They do have the reincarnating ranger, as well as a way to access the dreams of a dead seer, but I'm not sure if that is enough to balance the large number of baddies & lack of knowledge. Perhaps I could add another advantage for the innocents.

Cobblers are important so that the dead thread can potentially be a den of cobblery (more so the better the village does, even) & wolf kills won't automatically be known innocents. If the innocents do badly, the influence of the dead will be more positive, too.
Not sure if difficult, I would say more like totally different. They will have strong Ranger and such, but there will be basically no immediate knowledge gained from lynching somebody etc. You may as well be in the dark for several Days.

You can imagine, I love being able to force people to rely more heavily on interpreting posts... ;)
I would have expected you not to overestimate interpreting posts after the last game's experience... ;)

So I take it that the Dead Thread doesn't sleep (ie. they post both night and day)? And when the first person is lynched, she can just vote to reveal her role, right? :p
Hey, that's actually an important point - and it could be a problem. How are you going to solve it during the first days? Because by Night 2, you'll have 1 person on the dead thread, by Night 3, three people, if everything goes "normal". Will there be a vote in Mandos only from Night 3 onwards, or after there are at least 3 dead people (in case there is a Ranger save the previous Night and so on, because then you could not effectively have a vote if there are just two people voting)? The point is, if the first person could simply vote herself, then of course she would do so if she is innocent, and clearly, if she is a Cobbler/Wolf, she probably wouldn't want to do that... unless you make it e.g. so that person who dies first is automatically revealed in any case, etc...

[Macalaure]

Re: tie-breakers in the dead thread. Rikae edited it into the original post, but just so everyone knows: they will be decided by a die.

It should also be added that dead wolves and living wolves may not pm. Two dead wolves may pm again, Night and Day. The same rule holds for the lovers.

Oh, that might be quite a lot of reading...
It will be interesting, I think, whether it will be or not. Participation is not required after all, and the first few nights and days there will only be a few people.

How are you going to solve it during the first days? Because by Night 2, you'll have 1 person on the dead thread, by Night 3, three people, if everything goes "normal".
Another rule we talked about, but failed to put down here: the voting for the extra vote will start once the first person joins the dead. The vote for the revealing of roles starts once the population reaches 3.

[Aganzir]

Well, you were looking for another advantage to give the innocents... but on the other hand, making it that simple to find the cobblers may make them too harmless.
I don't think so. They'd have to look suspicious enough so the wolves don't kill them but innocent enough so the seer doesn't dream them... Which provides some additional challenge for them. And a known cobbler isn't necessarily a harmless cobbler.

[Rikae]

I think I will give the seer the ability to see cobblers; after all, the seer might be a cobbler for all the village knows, and only the dead (or someone who returns from the dead) will be able to verify the seer's identity. For the village to detect a cobbler with certainty will still take several steps and a bit of luck.

[Macalaure]

Actually, with the way we have it right now, the seer's role can't be verified with certainty at all, since the dead people can only distinguish wolves and non-wolves. The seer can only be told apart from an imposting cobbler by circumstantial evidence.

[elronds_daughter]

I'm assuming, even though it wasn't stated outright, that the dead are allowed to read the living's conversation so as to best choose the recipient of an extra vote... Unless of course the extra vote is meant to be rather random...which I could see having some benefit, but....oh, dear, now I'm just confusing myself.

[Blind Guardian]

Finally! A game where the Dead participate!

Heck yeah I'll play!

[Rikae]

Yes, the dead can read the living thread.

BG - yep, this is the ideal game for anyone who fears being lynched/killed early on. :D

[Glirdan]

Hence why I am here....after all, I'll be dead in two Days anyways :rolleyes:

[wilwarin538]

Hence why I am here....after all, I'll be dead in two Days anyways :rolleyes:

Aww. *snuggles* I promise not to vote for you.......unless you act suspicious. :p

I have to say that this player list is pretty awesome. This is going to be epic. :D Hopefully I have time to participate more than last game.

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

I just want to say that this game looks amazing and I am very much looking forward to following it.

[Inziladun]

I just want to say that this game looks amazing and I am very much looking forward to following it.

Ditto. I'm taking a long overdue WW break, and it'll be nice to watch everyone else in the pressure cooker. :p

[Boromir88]

I came in to check if the DL was do-able, but didn't even get that far, you had me at "additional thread for the dead." Mwahaha no way anyone can miss this new creative idea (including the Lovers and Glorfindel roles! :D). And it just so happens that the DL works fine, preferably 11 pm, but 10 works out too.

[Nogrod]

The DL for me (and the other Finns) will be quite bad indeed, so we'll have to vote quite early.

But on top of that, I'm once again trying to play a bit more easily (not topping the posters' list... just not to lose my sleep).

Let's see how I can manage with that.

I'm trying... :)

[Rikae]

Nog - well, that's a good way for you to get lynched early! :p

So, if Fea and Kitanna are in, we're good to go. Otherwise, there's room for two more... (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kSUYoizkhMg&playnext=1&list=PL126EB24AFEBE8341&index=41)

[Kitanna]

I'm afraid I can't join. Too much to do at work, not enough time to play.

[Anguirel]

I have to say I'm kind of toteing it up

(is that how you spell toteing?)

(toting? totting? surely not.)

((if you'd have me. I must say I'd be quieter and more temporally challenged than previous form))

[Mithalwen]

Oh Captain, my Captain!

[Thinlómien]

Oh Captain, my Captain!Hahahahaha. Not that I'm not to see him play though - as long as I'm not a wolf with him. ;) PS. Great to see you playing too Mith! :)

This game will undoubtedly make my head hurt, but I can't say I'm not looking forward to it. We ww'ers seem to be a bunch of masochists.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

You can take away the question mark.

I might have some hit or miss participation on a few days, because I've got a crazy few weeks, but I should be able to eke out some solid playing time.

[Mithalwen]

Oh Ang, you have to play now Fea is.. be quite like old times....

[Rikae]

Village is full, game thread will be up asap! If anyone else wants to sign up, you can do so up until roles are sent.

You will all (ordo or not) be getting your roles PM'd to you tonight or tomorrow, and if everyone is ok with it, Night 1 begins tomorrow (January 24) at 11pm EST or:

10pm January 24 US Central
4am January 25 GMT
6am January 25 GMT+2
3pm January 25 AEDT

And this makes me feel a bit guilty, but then I remember that I never complain about other mods' deadlines... :p

[Mithalwen]

Ah well my rubbish sleep patterns mean I am quite often awake then...but I shan't be trying to stay up to deadline..

[Anguirel]

It seems my decision has been made for me, I wish that happened more often...

...till soon!

[Rikae]

Oh, sorry Ang - I misunderstood your post!

[Mithalwen]

Don't apologise Rikae.. :D Il Lupo Fenriso has returned!

[Nogrod]

It's just absolutely fabulous to see you both Ang and Mith! "Long time, no see", surely is a fitting saying here. :)

[Glirdan]

Uh oh, it's going to be one of THOSE games. :p

We ww'ers seem to be a bunch of masochists.

I would so rep you for this...but I can't...for some reason :rolleyes:

[elronds_daughter]

Let the madness begin! <deranged laughter>

[Aganzir]

I will have a very limited internet access from Thursday to Sunday but I'll do my best to post every now and then.

[satansaloser2005]

I may die from how amazing this player list is. :D



That being said, I'll be around hardly at all (if at all) Days One and Two. After Friday, I should be able to hang out a bit more. So please don't kill me before then, yes?

[Anguirel]

May die?

Clearly a wolf/gifted/cobbler hint, or a bluff

Yeah, I'm kind of ready to start

[wilwarin538]

Uhm, oops :o. So I totally forgot that we had started, and Glirdy tried to call me and tell me we had but I missed the call and by the time I got his message it was too late. I'm so sorry! I have the morning off tomorrow, and the late evening available, so I should be able to participate then.

[Nerwen]

Apologies for missing the vote; didn't get back in time.

[Nogrod]

I do apologise my possibly abrasive conduct late on D2, and I hope no one was insulted. That was never my intention and never is.

Being too enthusiastic about a game, playing it trough the night and into the morning, and having a few glasses of wine too much is a bad mixture for me. I should have learned that by now (and I think I have done pretty well the last years), but it seems I can still lose the control of my moped... :confused:

Love you all and always will.

*puts on monk's robes on and goes to make penitence*


PS. I did edit two of my last posts as I was just too embarrassed to read them... I have not touched on any "substance" of them (there's pretty little of that there) but only removed some of the over-pathetic wailings repeated time after time, and which I'm just too ashamed to look at anymore... I did save them to my computer in case someone demands them to be re-installed or wishes to see them.

I know this is exceptional, but I was exceptionally stupid yesterday as well - and no game-related point have been removed.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Love you all and always will.

*nuzzle*

I'm sure we'll find a way to forgive you. :)

[Mänwe]

I'm sure we'll find a way to forgive you. :)

With his apology I personally can say all is forgiven already.

[Glirdan]

Oh Noggins, we love you too.

[Boromir88]

As far as I'm concerned, there's nothing to forgive. Don't let it weigh you down :)

[Nogrod]

Don't let it weigh you down :)If it was in my power I wouldn't let it, but sadly it does it without me being able to do anything about it. I just feel like a complete moron. :confused:

But well, time heals and being able to forget turns things into more or less hilarious memories about major stupid moments in life one can smile at detachedly looking backwards. :)

[Thinlómien]

You know people, you're all seriously cute.

[satansaloser2005]

Awwww, Nog, darling, you're too adorable. No harm done, precious. <3

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

If it was in my power I wouldn't let it, but sadly it does it without me being able to do anything about it. I just feel like a complete moron. :confused:

But well, time heals and being able to forget turns things into more or less hilarious memories about major stupid moments in life one can smile at detachedly looking backwards. :)

Hey, exactly. I think this might be simply one of such things. And I don't know how about the others, but I think it's the case of things when you feel thousand times worse about it than the others, if they have even barely noticed it. So let's keep going :)

[satansaloser2005]

Phantom would like everyone to know that he's been tied up (figuratively speaking, unfortunately :Merisu:) and will not return until later this evening.

[Anguirel]

Yeah. So I actually did fall asleep and not wake up.

So much for the tactical nap, Mith, urkh, now to read the thread. Perhaps I'm a graduate of the second one by now!?

EDIT: nope, still alive. Funny old world innit?

[Mithalwen]

Yeah I was starting to worry about you when it got to the sleeping the clock round point... mentally tapping on door and offering tea.... :rolleyes: You must have some cat DNA.

[Blind Guardian]

Sorry for not playing you guys. Verizon crapped out on us and we haven't had internet for at least two weeks. I am very sorry that I couldn't even come on line to tell you! This happened at the worst time didn't?

Very sorry, BG

[Mithalwen]

Glad to know that there wasn't a worse reason, From what Rikae posted on her narration it looks like you are able to join the deliberations of the dead if you are so inclined, :D

[Blind Guardian]

Glad to know that there wasn't a worse reason, From what Rikae posted on her narration it looks like you are able to join the deliberations of the dead if you are so inclined, :D

Yeah, I'm kind of reading through it, but the internet is still on and off for the next week or so, so I might not post much. Sorry about everything guys. I didn't do this deliberately: I really wanted to play.

Oh and my PM box is full and i can't download anything (another cause of the internet) so NO ONE PM ME! Thank you


Edit: PM box now empty.

[Glirdan]

Okay, just so no one thinks I've gone missing (or on hiatus :p), I'm here but not posting to the game as I'm going to bed to be up relatively early again for work. I'll try and get caught up on all the shenanigans before I leave for work, but I can't promise anything. I will be back about seven hours before DL though, so no worries, I'll be back to vote.

[Thinlómien]

Hey folks,

Legate asked me to tell you that he hasn't been and can't be around because he is sick (I guess a rather bad case of flu, but at least not anything worse although it does sound quite nasty). Let's hope he gets better soon, poor one.

[the phantom]

I received a voicemail from Sally which said, (paraphrasing here) "Please inform everyone that I don't feel well and can't get on the Downs and wish to vote for Lottie, but of course I understand that Rikae probably won't accept this as a proper vote, but just pass it along please."

[Boromir88]

And I feel very terrible about yesterday. I had a host of distractions and then mind block forgetting that it was not a Night-phase time anymore, with the 24-hr extension due to the BD crashing.

By the time I saw Fea's message...you voting? it was about 10 mins before DL. And I couldn't rush to get on a computer, read what the heck had been taking place and then make a vote.

So very sorry Rikae and Mac. :(

[Rikae]

No problem, Boro. Hope you don't mind that your vote didn't get posted - I got the PM at the exact moment I made the DL post.
Also, I'd like to apologize to everyone for the lack of narration yesterDay. :(

[wilwarin538]

So, I wasn't able to come on....again. And looking ahead to what I have coming up it doesn't look like my participation will improve at all. I feel bad, because I really wanted to play this game, but there's not much I can do about it.

I think the fairest thing to do would be to withdraw, since me not playing (and yet being allowed to live), isn't really fair to those who are playing. I'm sorry guys. :( And I'll probably have to take a break from WW until summer, since I will soon become even more busy.

Thanks for a great game Rikae, sorry I couldn't take part more!

[Rikae]

Wilwa and Legate have both dropped out today. I think I'll put them in a special "dead dead" category and reveal their roles, since there is no way for anyone to learn them otherwise.

I'm sorry, by the way, that I wasn't able to provide a more interesting game. It was an experiment, and some experiments fail. *sigh*

[Aganzir]

I'm sorry, by the way, that I wasn't able to provide a more interesting game. It was an experiment, and some experiments fail. *sigh*
Nonsense. I love this game (and if I've been frustrated it's always been because of in-game reasons, not the mechanics ;)) even though it has kept me up way later than intended. :p You can't do anything about people's time constraints.

Lommy apologises for not posting but she's been really busy today. She also tells me to write that Legate is feeling better already and will be able to join us in Mandos if it's not too late yet... (Not that having also the modfired to worry about will make our deaths any easier. :p)

[Rikae]

Oh dear - I just messed something else up, then. :mad:

[Rikae]

If Legate has not opened my last PM to him, tell him to delete it without reading if he wants to post in Mandos!

[Aganzir]

If Legate has not opened my last PM to him, tell him to delete it without reading if he wants to post in Mandos!
I texted him. (Yeah I'm not supposed to be still around but you know how it is...)

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Oh dear - I just messed something else up, then. :mad:

Nope, don't worry, that was purely Lommy's conjecture (older than my pm definitely, anyway). What I have said remains, simply count me off.

[Glirdan]

I'm apologizing now for my lack of posting....Something in RL has come up...I'm not withdrawing, but I am just taking a quick littler breather toDay and may not post a whole lot. And I may be voting quite last minute, really early or not at all.