WW LXXXVIII: What Lies in the Dark (Game Thread)

[satansaloser2005]

Opening narration should be up later today.

DO NOT POST HERE UNTIL IT IS DAY 1.

[satansaloser2005]

IT IS NOW NIGHT 1. DO NOT POST.



Players
Nienna
Lottie
Dun
Nog
Bom Tombadillo
Wilwa
Nerwen
Glirdan
Boro
Lhuna
Phantom
Shasta
laurab2333

[satansaloser2005]

Game on. It's dark, and you're all afraid.

[the phantom]

I was looking forward to playing, but then I spotted this on the Admin Thread-
If you’re a jerk, you will be modfired.
So.... yeah. I'm dead soon.

Even if I somehow behave myself temporarily, it won't change who I am. I suspect our ModGoddess instituted that policy and then allowed me to join just so she'd have the pleasure of modfiring me no matter what I did.

I'm onto your little game, Sally! :mad:

[satansaloser2005]

++Phantom for representative

[Bom Tombadillo]

But . . . but . . . then I'll have nobody to blindly follow! Whhhhaaaaa! *sniffle*

Anyway, this ought to be fun, phantom or no phantom (sorry, phantom's ego). I'll probably not be posting as much as I planned to, due to the fact that I ordered a new computer game that arrived today (:D) without thinking of how it would affect my TiG-ing. (:()

Now, down to business. Phantom is obviously innocent, being infallible and all. Laurab2333 is suspicious, seeing as I don't recall her joining (was it by PM or something?), but I'll give her the benefit of newbie-doubt in hopes that I will be given the same. I'm innocent too, of course, being the Master (or would that make me guilty? Well yeah, but not of being a spider.)

Everybody else is guilty, guilty, guilty! They're all accomplices! As to who's the spider xyrself, though, that's obviously Boromir88, referred to as the "sweet prince" of the one responsible for inflicting this on us all - sally!*


*Bom Tombadillo, Inc. takes no responsibility for the truth of this message. Content may or may not be biased, erroneous, or blatant lies.

Ninja'd by the Moddess herself! Truly this is an honour!

[Inziladun]

It's dark and I'm afraid! :eek:

[the phantom]

See, this is where the arrogance comes from. It's not even a Republic style game and I already got a rep-vote after one post. (Thanks Sally, I won't let you down! I support public funding for more beef jerky factories and promise to eradicate hermit crabs world wide!)

And how is it that this rather fresh-faced member Bom seems to know me? I realize the ego reference may have been simple reasoning based upon my sig, but he also seems to know how deserved my smugness is, as he specifically recognizes my infallability. Should I be flattered or frightened?

Of course we know Inzil has decided upon fear. Judging from his post, Inzil seems especially vulnerable to suggestion this afternoon. Hmmm... perhaps I shall test the extent of it-

*waves hand Obi Wan style*

This isn't the spider you're looking for. Move along. And fetch me a sandwich.

[Inziladun]

Of course we know Inzil has decided upon fear. Judging from his post, Inzil seems especially vulnerable to suggestion this afternoon. Hmmm... perhaps I shall test the extent of it-

Some measure of fear seems to be in order, maybe. At least for those that aren't a loathsome eight-legged monstrosity or its brood.

This isn't the spider you're looking for. Move along. And fetch me a sandwich.

Shall we save ourselves mountains of headaches and uncertainties and just lynch phantom now? :p

[Loslote]

Ooh, look, there are some people here! And they've all made me laugh already. So...yay them and all. :D

Now onto logistics...if I'm right (which I may well not be), there's only Shelob right now, and someone who will turn into a spider come Nightfall. (Unless she started out with a fully-fledged spider, and I think that was dependant on how many people. I'm guessing based on the numbers that it's a Bitten, not a Fledged - this may be wildly inaccurate.) If we kill the Bitten, would it show up as a spider, or as an innocent?

Edit: Xed with Zil

[Glirdan]

Laddy daddy da fear and all that jazz (with some jazz hands in there possibly....sorry, in total theatre mode right now)

Anyways, on to some pretty useless stuff.

Phantom is evil, let's lynch him now to avoid any further complications.

Phantom's ego we can leave around as it will modfire itself.

Inzil is a spider because I said so.

Lottie is already too intuitive and needs to be lynched so she doesn't steer us in the wrong direction.

BT needs to be lynched for impersonating Tom Bombadil yet I agree with him that Laura also needs to be lynched for being secretive.

We can keep Lhuna as I haven't seen her in ages (good to have you back my dear!! :D ) but we can lynch her on Day 2.

Boro is a Cobbler and needs to go now before he gives me headaches.

Shasta can stay around a long time because I feel terrible for the past few games I've played with him.

Nienna gets to stay cuz she hasn't played in awhile and also because of some awesome RL excitment!! (*squees in excitment*)

Nog is evil as always. Lynch him.

Nerwen can stick around so that Shasta isn't lonely.


Wilwa needs to be lynched just for old time sake and our ModGoddess gets a cookie and snuggles (with a side dish of pie and muffins) for an amazing Doctor Who reference :D

I think that covers everything :)

[Loslote]

Glirdy, you're being quite see-through at the moment. Making lots of newbieish, green mistakes. You are visibly spiderish. We absolutely should lynch you right now. ;)

Edit: Or, well, now you look better. :D

[Glirdan]

Hehehe, I noticed that myself actually. Guess I changed it after the last game and didn't think of looking before we started this one. :D

[the phantom]

You call that a suspicions list, Glirdy? Ha!

This is a proper list, with the added bonus that it is more accurate.

Nienna- Just Nienna.
Lottie- Just Lottie.
Inzil- Spiderling in training!
Nog- Will be stung Night 3.
Bom- An enigma.
Wilwa- A brave little butterfly.
Nerwen- A sneaky dingo.
Glirdy- Doctor Who!
Boro- A stubborn wolverine.
Lhuna- Will be modfired for non-participation.
Shasta- The seer?!
Laura- I know her not.
Phantom- Evil. But not Shelob.

Really, the only problem I see is that my list does not include Shelob. But of course as the object is to lynch her.... hmmm....

I think the Moddess has some explaining to do. Make the object of the game lynching Shelob, and then don't give us one?! What kind of sick experiment are you running here?!

Though I suppose it's technically possible my list is wrong, but, well.... For now I'm going to assume I'm right.

[the phantom]

Also, just to get people talking....

Talk about the merits of Samwise standing up and shouting "I'm Sam!!"

I mean- he can only be killed through lynching, right? So why not make himself unlynchable on Day 1 by declaring himself? Is that an acceptable trade-off for forfeiting the possibility of Shelob trying to sting him?

At this stage of the game there's absolutely no possibility of a counter-reveal, as only Shelob could do it and it would be suicidal, as then the village would simply lynch both claims to secure the win. Correct?

So....?

[satansaloser2005]

There shall be NO reveals, false or otherwise. Kthnxdie.

[the phantom]

Well that's a conversation killer. So... umm.... How about that Green Lantern trailer, eh? Looks like it's going to be pretty cool.

[Nerwen]

Some measure of fear seems to be in order, maybe. At least for those that aren't a loathsome eight-legged monstrosity or its brood.
Tch! Tch! A grown man like you, afraid of a harmless little– well, not so little– spider? All we need is a jar! A BIG jar...

[Glirdan]

Though I suppose it's technically possible my list is wrong, but, well.... For now I'm going to assume I'm right.

On second thought....I'm quite alright with a double lynch: phantom and his ego

[Inziladun]

Tch! Tch! A grown man like you, afraid of a harmless little– well, not so little– spider? All we need is a jar! A BIG jar...

I must confess that I shake my shoes every morning before putting them on. No creepie-crawlie's getting my foot! :mad:

That said, I was really only obeying the moddess's direction:

Game on. It's dark, and you're all afraid.

See?

Anyway, do we have an answer to Lottie's question? Are we dealing with a full-fledged spawn yet?

[the phantom]

Considering my faithful service last time I played with you, I would've thought you'd be inclined to be nice to me, Glirdy.

Also, I seem to recall the rules forbidding double-lynches, so that would be a no-go anyway.

And I've just now realized how awful the "no reveals" and "no false reveals" rules are for me personally. I mean- that's what I do! Revealing and false revealing is the only thing I'm good for other than being entertaining. *bangs head*

First I'm forbidden to be a jerk, and now this? Bleh.

[satansaloser2005]

Shelob has claimed a victim, but there is still hope for them. (Aka they're not fully turned yet.)

And now the moddess must slumber. Do be entertaining while I'm gone. ;)

*snuggles you all*

[Nerwen]

On second thought....I'm quite alright with a double lynch: phantom and his ego

Seconded!

Now onto logistics...if I'm right (which I may well not be), there's only Shelob right now, and someone who will turn into a spider come Nightfall. (Unless she started out with a fully-fledged spider, and I think that was dependant on how many people. I'm guessing based on the numbers that it's a Bitten, not a Fledged - this may be wildly inaccurate.) If we kill the Bitten, would it show up as a spider, or as an innocent?
I can't find the answer to either of those in the Admin thread. Perhaps our Moddess would be so good as to clarify?

Btw– fledged? You mean like this? (http://www.xs4all.nl/%7Eednieuw/australian/salticidae/Peacock_spider_Maratus_volans.htm)

Laurab2333 is suspicious, seeing as I don't recall her joining (was it by PM or something?)
Sally, you...er... couldn't possibly have signed up a spambot, could you? Just wondering.:Merisu:

EDIT: X'd with Sally.

[the phantom]

Okay- so here's a nice little list of important facts.

SHELOB & MINIONS

Shelob attempts to sting each night
person she stings knows they're stung, but can't tell
the following night they join her side and can converse with her, but not other minions
Shelob can't reveal minions to each other
Shelob stung someone during Night 1
Stinging Sam does nothing
Shelob death = game over
Shelob + minions greater than innocents = game over


SAM

picks someone to protect from stinging each night
picks someone to cure from sting after each night
cannot be stung
loses power the night after Frodo dies
if he picks Frodo as cure-pick after Frodo stung, Shelob loses a night sting and Frodo & Sam can talk


DOCTOR

examines someone each night, can tell if they've been stung, but not role


FRODO

dies night after he is stung
can converse with Sam if Sam picks him as his bite-cure target
if picked by Sam for bite-cure, Shelob does nothing the next night and Sam does nothing the night after that
Frodo lynch makes Sam do nothing the next night


RULES IN GENERAL

You can NOT retract votes.
Double-plus & highlight all votes
If vote is a tie, NO ONE is lynched
If stung, your vote has a 50% chance of not counting the next day
No reveals or fake reveals

[Lhunardawen]

There shall be NO reveals, false or otherwise.

I reveal... That it's dark, and I'm very much afraid. Will someone hold my hand? No eight-legged creatures, please.

[Loslote]

So, since we can never clear anyone based on how they've acted in the past (because they could have been stung in the meantime), we're going to have to rely a lot more on looking at how people's behavior changes each Day than how it fits together throughout the game in its entirety. So this game especially, it's really, really important for people to talk a lot on Day 1, and even if we don't accomplish anything, lay down a basic standard for comparing behavior the next Day. After all, only one person is evil toDay. Every Day after this, there's only going to be more. And, if we play our cards right, we could be able to tell who's switching sides mid-game.

[the phantom]

After all, only one person is evil toDay. Every Day after this, there's only going to be more. And, if we play our cards right, we could be able to tell who's switching sides mid-game.
This is true, but keep in mind that in our search for Spiderlings we may in fact be deciding which person not to lynch, because- if an individual is clearly a spiderling then that person is clearly not Shelob.

Basically, I'm wondering if we should treat the lynching of Spiderlings as a happy mistake (i.e. never purposefully lynch them). Shelob is the target. Always. The identification of spiderlings is only helpful in so much as it may offer a window into Shelob's thinking, or perhaps if we're lucky the Spiderling may have supported Shelob on the thread.

Without reveals or a true wolf-pack this thing has the potential to be extremely random. What if Shelob purposefully stings people that seem to already be on her side? That would negate any switching, and any support offered her would not smell of spiders due to the support starting at a point too early for that person to have been a minion at the time.

Ah, and it seems we have a Lhuna. I find that extremely suspicious in light of my prediction that she would be modfired for non-participation. Not to mention she seems to be engaged in a bit of fishing, if you see what I mean. The fiend!

[the phantom]

*yawn*

It's late. Bed. I'll be around for the final six hours or so.

[Loslote]

Basically, I'm wondering if we should treat the lynching of Spiderlings as a happy mistake (i.e. never purposefully lynch them). Shelob is the target. Always. The identification of spiderlings is only helpful in so much as it may offer a window into Shelob's thinking, or perhaps if we're lucky the Spiderling may have supported Shelob on the thread.

The game is over if we lynch Shelob, yes. But it's also over if the Spiders outnumber the Innocents. Lynching the Spiderlings would buy us more time. If we don't know who Shelob is, I'd be more comfortable lynching someone who looks like a Spiderling than taking a shot in the dark, hoping to find Shelob.

[Lhunardawen]

Ah, and it seems we have a Lhuna. I find that extremely suspicious in light of my prediction that she would be modfired for non-participation.

So much for having an accurate list. :p

Not to mention she seems to be engaged in a bit of fishing, if you see what I mean. The fiend!

I have every right to be afraid, after all this is my first game in around two years (I think). And it's dark. And there's a giant spider somewhere. Have I mentioned it's dark?

If you ask me, I think sally just wants to be entertained, so we should just lynch those who do not pull their weight in that department.

[Glirdan]

Wow....I was really hoping for a little more while I was sleeping and now I can't even stick around to really get any ball rolling as I have to leave for work. I'll be back in eightish hours when I will HAVE to vote as I have rehearsal tonight and will miss DL if I don't. Sorry guys, see you all later!

PS: As weird as this is and all bantering aside, I'm actually inclined to keep phantom around for a little while. His actions seem genuine....for the time being.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Fact - Phantom is a ladykiller.

Fact - there are more than two females playing.

Fact - it is dark and spooky.

Correlation - Phantom will want to hold all the girls' hands (see Fact 3).

Fact - humans have two hands.

Fact - spiders have X arms, where X is 8 minus the number of legs any cruel schoolchildren have pulled off of them.

Assumption - Shelob eats schoolchildren.

Correlation - Shelob will have X legs, where X > 2 (and is most likely 8).

Fact - a human being with 2 hands can not hold the hands of X females, where X > 2.


Therefore, Phantom is Shelob. Game over. :)

[Boromir88]

So.... yeah. I'm dead soon.


But, but, I've only just caught a bad case :( ...this is not fair!

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by the phantom
Basically, I'm wondering if we should treat the lynching of Spiderlings as a happy mistake (i.e. never purposefully lynch them). Shelob is the target. Always. The identification of spiderlings is only helpful in so much as it may offer a window into Shelob's thinking, or perhaps if we're lucky the Spiderling may have supported Shelob on the thread.
The game is over if we lynch Shelob, yes. But it's also over if the Spiders outnumber the Innocents. Lynching the Spiderlings would buy us more time. If we don't know who Shelob is, I'd be more comfortable lynching someone who looks like a Spiderling than taking a shot in the dark, hoping to find Shelob.

Agreed. And tp, even if it weren't the case that Spiderlings count for the... er.... colony(?), what you're saying would be no different from the old "don't lynch cobblers" argument, anyway.

[Boromir88]

The game is over if we lynch Shelob, yes. But it's also over if the Spiders outnumber the Innocents. Lynching the Spiderlings would buy us more time. If we don't know who Shelob is, I'd be more comfortable lynching someone who looks like a Spiderling than taking a shot in the dark, hoping to find Shelob.

Start of today we have Shelob and a spiderling, yes?

Because I also recall our dear modSally saying if we lynch Shelob early enough, than the spiderling will become the new Shelob anyway.

I'm not sure there would be a way to differentiate between spiderling and Shelob either. Also, spiderlings won't know eachother, they will only be in communication with Shelob.

[Inziladun]

The game is over if we lynch Shelob, yes. But it's also over if the Spiders outnumber the Innocents. Lynching the Spiderlings would buy us more time. If we don't know who Shelob is, I'd be more comfortable lynching someone who looks like a Spiderling than taking a shot in the dark, hoping to find Shelob.

I think this is sensible. But no songs, Lottie? I'm inclined to be suspicious. ;)

Fact - Phantom is a ladykiller.

Fact - there are more than two females playing.

Fact - it is dark and spooky.

Correlation - Phantom will want to hold all the girls' hands (see Fact 3).

Fact - humans have two hands.

Fact - spiders have X arms, where X is 8 minus the number of legs any cruel schoolchildren have pulled off of them.

Assumption - Shelob eats schoolchildren.

Correlation - Shelob will have X legs, where X > 2 (and is most likely 8).

Fact - a human being with 2 hands can not hold the hands of X females, where X > 2.


Therefore, Phantom is Shelob. Game over. :)

Makes perfect sense to me! Get the fiend!

Because I also recall our dear modSally saying if we lynch Shelob early enough, than the spiderling will become the new Shelob anyway.

Our odds of getting Schlob (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bored_of_the_Rings) today are pretty slim, but that's a good point.

I have no idea at all who I might vote for at this time. I'm hoping our current four non-appearers will show up soon. Looking at you, Nog! Submarine!

[wilwarin538]

I'm here, and will be here randomly for about the next 3 hours, and then that's it. Today wasn't the best day for me for us to start (yesterday would have been better), but oh well. Day 2 will be far better I think. (I have 3 jobs, I'm a busy girl, but I couldn't pass up this game and desperately needed WW time).

Alright so as it stands right now we have the Evil Spider Lady and she's stung someone (who knows they've been stung) and Sammy has a chance to save them today, if he fails then that person is a spawn by the end of the Night. And if we get lucky enough to lynch Shelob today then this person will become the new Shelob. If we lynch the person who is currently stung we can be half happy, partly happy because they were almost a baddie, partly sad because they were technically not yet a baddie. Lynching anyone else would be bad.

It's really different having only 1 person we want to kill, because we can't really look at how people interact with each other (atleast not on day 1 when she's still alone). Atleast when there's 3 wolves we might be able to spot them because they seem too chummy with each other, but in this case Shelob can way more easily blend in.

I think in the long run the best way to get her will be to see who some people are defending (but those people aren't necessarily defending each other). What I mean is that if A, B and C are all defending D, but A, B and C aren't really paying attention to each other, than D could be Shelob and A, B and C could be spawn. They want to be sure she stays alive, but they also want to keep themselves alive, and they'll actually probably be trying to spot each other to make sure the other spawn survive as well, since there needs to be a lot of them for them to win.

Now if Shelob attacks Sam nothing happens (are we told when this happens? and are we informed each time Sam is successful or each time a new spawn is created? I would assume so), so basically Shelob will now know who Sam is and will try to get him lynched (or she'll get her spawn to try to get him lynched). But then if we lynch Sam and realise who he is, I would say we go after whoever originally wanted him to be lynched, especially if we've recently been informed that no one was successfully bitten recently.

Wow, this game is confusing (but awesome). Anyway, I need to go for a bit, I'll be back very soon, and will have to vote quite early. (it will probably be random)

x'ed with Inzil

[satansaloser2005]

If you don't want to die, go watch this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=54VJWHL2K3I) now. I will know if you have. There are dire consequences for not watching.

Seriously. You will be SO lame. Do you really want that?

[Nogrod]

I'm hoping our current four non-appearers will show up soon. Looking at you, Nog! Submarine!Fair enough. :p

I actually do hate the games where people change from goodies to baddies as it makes any decent and / or consistent analysis more or less impossible. Also having only one "real baddie" seems like a challenge. I think wilwa has a good point in suggesting we look for those who defend someone without especially defending each other. But then again - and that being said - Shelob may wish to give her minions different orders as to avoid that kind of attention. Although that is something we probably should consider seriously on D3 or 4 the earliest.

But my two cents at this point would be that Shelob would probably like to avoid attention in the first place (yeah, everyone plays by their own style but still). Ergo, I would be less interested in people who give rise to controversies than those who seem like especially trying to avoid them. At least to begin with.

Okay. I have to go now but I should be able to give this a more decent go a bit later toDay.

Sally: where was the pizza?

[satansaloser2005]

Sally: where was the pizza?

More importantly, where were the d20s?



In case anyone's interested, I totally selected roles by rolling a d12 for everyone.

[wilwarin538]

Sally, that video just made my life. ^_^

I need to leave in about an hour, so that's when I'll be voting. And not much else has been happening and I don't know what else to say....

So I'll be back to vote and everything, and I have no idea who that vote will be for.

[Nerwen]

But my two cents at this point would be that Shelob would probably like to avoid attention in the first place (yeah, everyone plays by their own style but still). Ergo, I would be less interested in people who give rise to controversies than those who seem like especially trying to avoid them. At least to begin with.

Is it... can it be...? It is! The obligatory loud-quiet debate!:smokin:

Well, then– may I point out that for all we know we may have a phantlob. Do you imagine such a beast would want to avoid controversy? I think not.

X'd with Wilwa.

[satansaloser2005]

Is it... can it be...? It is! The obligatory loud-quiet debate!:smokin:

Well, then– may I point out that for all we know we may have a phantlob. Do you imagine such a beast would want to avoid controversy? I think not.

X'd with Wilwa.

DID YOU WATCH THE VIDEO?!?!?!?! :p



Back shortly with a surprise. Surprise?

[Nerwen]

DID YOU WATCH THE VIDEO?!?!?!?! :p
All right, all right, I'll watch it! Don't yell at me!:(:eek:

[satansaloser2005]

All right, all right, I'll watch it! Don't yell at me!:(:eek:

There's a good minion. <3

*snuggles you*

[Lhunardawen]

Well, then– may I point out that for all we know we may have a phantlob. Do you imagine such a beast would want to avoid controversy? I think not.

This is the wisest thing that has been said all Day - not that much has been said.

*sigh*

There's not really much to go on at this point, is there? I've never felt so useless.

[Nerwen]

All right, O Moddess, I have watched the video. Is there to be a quiz?

[satansaloser2005]

laurab2333 shivered in the corner. She couldn't make out any of the faces, which didn't really matter because she didn't know any of them anyway.

"No one's even talking to me," she huffed, curling her arms around herself tighter. She didn't realize that, had she actually said something first, they might have.

Unfortunately, it was too late for her.

"Who's there?" she whispered, turning around in the dark as she heard a rock shift. "Hello?"

"Gimme a hand, will ya?" a harsh voice replied.

laurab2333 felt blindly in front of her until her hands rested against some rocks. She couldn't tell if it was the cave wall or if there was a small passage that the group hadn't previously noticed, but she couldn't be bothered to mention it to the rest, instead scratching at the rocks until she felt something warm and soft.

"Actually," the voice said slowly, "I probably need both hands."

laurab2333 hesitantly reached out and placed her other hand on the rocks as well. Before she could react, she was tugged sharply into the rocks.

"Help!" she shouted, but everyone was so used to her being silent that they didn't notice.

"I'm taking your place," the voice informed her, then paused. "Newbie."

laurab2333 screamed as she was pulled through the rocks, the echo of her voice quickly fading as another body slithered through the small opening.

"Heeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeere's Fea!"

laurab2333 did not re-emerge. Whether she somehow escaped or was frightened to death is anyone's guess.






The Playing:
Nienna
Lottie
Dun
Nog
Bom Tombadillo
Wilwa
Nerwen
Glirdan
Boro
Lhuna
Phantom
Shasta
Fea


The Played:
laurab2333





Note: laurab2333 is a RL friend who had wanted to try her hand at WW, but due to a sudden case of RL duties isn't actually able to play. Fea, however, is, now that her THESIS OF DOOM is finished. laurab2333's role, if she had one, has now been taken over by Fea.

[satansaloser2005]

All right, O Moddess, I have watched the video. Is there to be a quiz?

Quite possibly. :Merisu:


Nah, not really.

[wilwarin538]

*attack snuggles Fea*


Okee....so I have to go to work now, and I won't be able to come back, so I need to vote.

Uhm....

Did Pie say you should lynch me for old times sake? (affirmative, he did) I think perhaps I'll vote for him for old times sake, because I literally have nothing to go on right now, and he'll eventually look crazy suspicious to me anyway, so:

++Glirdan

Good luck, and I should be around far more on Day 2.

[Lhunardawen]

"Heeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeere's Fea!"

Great. As if this game can't be crazier than it already promises to be. :p

[Inziladun]

Ha! Brought him out of the woodwork. :D

But my two cents at this point would be that Shelob would probably like to avoid attention in the first place (yeah, everyone plays by their own style but still). Ergo, I would be less interested in people who give rise to controversies than those who seem like especially trying to avoid them. At least to begin with.

Well, it's the old debate about evil loudmouths vs. evil submarines. In this case, though, I suspect you might be right. I look for the spider-spawn to be much more in the forefront than the old Attercop herself, after she acquires one or two of them.

In case anyone's interested, I totally selected roles by rolling a d12 for everyone.

How did you determine our levels for Charisma, Strength, Dexterity, and Lynchableness? :p

Hm, I still don't have much to go on here, and odds are I'll have to vote early. I'll have a shower then some food while I think it over.

x/d with Lhuna- we do indeed have a Fea

[satansaloser2005]

Ha! Brought him out of the woodwork. :D

Serious awesome points for this. Serious points.

[satansaloser2005]

How did you determine our levels for Charisma, Strength, Dexterity, and Lynchableness? :p

Heh. Actually meant for the awesome points to be for this, but the other is funny too.


Okieday, I need to go put a narration where it's supposed to go. Entertain me.

[the phantom]

Not to mention she seems to be engaged in a bit of fishing, if you see what I mean. The fiend!
I have every right to be afraid, after all this is my first game in around two years (I think). And it's dark. And there's a giant spider somewhere. Have I mentioned it's dark?
Psh... don't make excuses. The being scared bit is just a ruse for you to fish about. I see what you're up to, trying to draw out certain individuals. Very slick.
If you ask me, I think sally just wants to be entertained, so we should just lynch those who do not pull their weight in that department.
Ah, and now here you are clearly trying to win me over, as adopting this strategy would benefit me quite nicely. You are a devious little devil, aren't you?
Because I also recall our dear modSally saying if we lynch Shelob early enough, than the spiderling will become the new Shelob anyway.
And if we get lucky enough to lynch Shelob today then this person will become the new Shelob.
Quite correct, you two. And that is why I'm considering not lynching Lhuna today, as the spiderness would just shift to someone else. Better to wait a day and then end it all. (Or do we have to wait two days?)

Shasta- thanks much, your accusation is as flattering as any I've seen.

Sally- video makes me happy. :)

Regarding Laura being replaced with Fea- there was actually a part of me that was wondering if Laura was just Fea in disguise anyway (a rather obvious disguise!) and so my approach will not change.

[satansaloser2005]

Regarding Laura being replaced with Fea- there was actually a part of me that was wondering if Laura was just Fea in disguise anyway (a rather obvious disguise!) and so my approach will not change.

Bloody. He caught me. >.<

:p

[Lhunardawen]

And that is why I'm considering not lynching Lhuna today, as the spiderness would just shift to someone else.
You're considering lynching me?

I honestly do not know whether to feel threatened or pleased with myself.

[Bom Tombadillo]

Everahbody seems to be after the phantom. Even disregarding my inherent tendency to defend our shadowy overlord, this seems to be excessive. He's acting his usual self as far as I can tell, so that leaves me with the question of whether this is a justified attack based on evidence that everybody but me can see, or a cunningly initiated bandwagon.

Still, I agree with the resident Lhunatic: There doesn't seem to be much to go on. Thus, this may just be an apparent "safe lynch," given that phantom has already stated that he's likely to be out of the game before long.

OR it could just be me overreacting to joking accusations. After all, the only actual vote slung so far is for Glirdan.

En-ny-way, I'll be back in about an hour to vote, as the next time I can get on will be past deadline.

[Lhunardawen]

The best thing we could hope - dream - to find toDay is Shelob defending/protecting whoever she stung. I say best, but really mean unlikely. So for toDay we're all just really groping around in the dark, literally and figuratively.

I can't help wondering, though, if in the later Days Shelob will be more or less likely to sacrifice her little spiders, knowing there's always a chance to spawn a new one the next Day, as opposed to werecreatures which are fixed in number for the entire game. Would there be a point to that?

[the phantom]

You're considering lynching me?

I honestly do not know whether to feel threatened or pleased with myself.
Oh really? Well then, perhaps you can help. Would it be better for me to lynch you today, or wait a day or two?

Anyway, I've come to the conclusion that Wilwa, Lottie, and I are entirely innocent, and unlikely to be converted by Shelob, so I'm going to use that as my primary base of operations for the remainder of the contest. Just fyi.

[Inziladun]

Serious awesome points for this. Serious points.

I aim to please, O Moddess. :)

Regarding Laura being replaced with Fea- there was actually a part of me that was wondering if Laura was just Fea in disguise anyway (a rather obvious disguise!) and so my approach will not change.

The same thought crossed my mind, but I really wanted to see Laura in action to have a standard for comparison. Pity, really....

The best thing we could hope - dream - to find toDay is Shelob defending/protecting whoever she stung. I say best, but really mean unlikely. So for toDay we're all just really groping around in the dark, literally and figuratively.

That'll be tough to spot. Even if the spawn is in dire straits, it's not in Shelob's best interest to be seen overtly defending them. As the spiderlings increase in number, the chance of one of them getting lynched goes up as well, and that, (pun intended), could come back to bite her.

I can't help wondering, though, if in the later Days Shelob will be more or less likely to sacrifice her little spiders, knowing there's always a chance to spawn a new one the next Day, as opposed to werecreatures which are fixed in number for the entire game. Would there be a point to that?

Depends on how many spawn there are at the time. If there were several she might sacrifice one.

Another thought I had is that the spawn might go out of their way to try and save an innocent at some point. That way, if the spiderling is later lynched and thus found out, it could put the one they'd defended in a pretty poor light.

x/d with tp

[Lhunardawen]

Oh really? Well then, perhaps you can help. Would it be better for me to lynch you today, or wait a day or two?
I don't know about you, but it would be better if I do not get lynched toDay, or after a day or two. Or at all, for that matter.


Alas, it is late (read: past 2 AM) and so I must vote.

++Loslote

Although I don't believe we've played together before. Luck o' the draw.

[Inziladun]

Ok, it's crunch time. Got to leave for the next couple or hours. I'm not crazy about voting for the two who already have votes. Sooo....

++Boro

Just because he's been strangely quiet and I'm getting even less of a read on him than usual. Really, that's all I've got.

Choose well, folks.

[the phantom]

Just doing some quick number crunching here. We have 13 players, and currently we have 1 Shelob, 0 Spiderlings, 1 Stung, and 11 Innocents. So, let's see how many failed attempts we can afford.

DAY 1: 1-0-1-11
DAY 2: 1-1-1-9
DAY 3: 1-2-1-7
DAY 4: 1-3-1-5
DAY 5: 1-4-1-3 *game over*

So, four bad lynches gets us dead. And given the odds on Day 4 I'd say realistically three bad lynches in a row nearly kills us.

A successful protection from Sam would keep us alive on Day 5, but the numbers would be 4-5, so all of the Innocents would have to vote correctly and together.

If Sam gets both a protection and a cure we would still be alive on Day 6, but with dead even numbers we'd be as good as dead.

A successful Spiderling lynch would also keep us alive on Day 5, but again it would be tough sledding. A Spiderling lynch paired with a Sam save would again give us a longshot miracle hope for Day 6 but that's about it.

Now, if we manage to get THREE breaks to go our way (Spiderling lynches or Sam protections) then that would give us an actual chance on Day 6.

To summarize- if we kill Sam it seems to me that we're screwed. Because really, we cannot expect to be able to lynch Spiderlings with any regularity given the fact that they are not a true pack and do not have a dependable history to examine.

[the phantom]

So, first Lhuna looks suspicious in her first post, and then she tries to appease me, and then she goes and votes for one of the two people I declared innocent forever (Lottie).

You're just begging for my attention, m'dear.

[satansaloser2005]

To summarize- if we kill Sam it seems to me that we're screwed.

So don't lynch Sam then. Really, it's very simple.

What do you mean you don't all know who he is? I do! Oh. Right....

:Merisu:

[the phantom]

It seems the Mod is determined to have the highest post count. :rolleyes:

(You know, even I don't do that in my games, and I'm as chatty as anyone. I'm thinking Sally must be terribly bored today.)

[satansaloser2005]

I'm thinking Sally must be terribly bored today.


How did you know?

[Nogrod]

Back and reading...

After finishing my jobs I decided to install my new audio software before turning into this - and it took ages with all the different "activations", "registrations", "USB-licenses" and whatnots. Cryptical things. And it doesn't even work yet... :rolleyes:

Anyway, I'll be around now for most of the time, first reading.

[Boromir88]

++Boro

Just because he's been strangely quiet and I'm getting even less of a read on him than usual. Really, that's all I've got.


I always like to do the unexpected, it takes people by surprise.

I'm keeping tabs, just got nothing groundbreakingly brilliant to say, and don't particularly feel like making up stuff that will only add to the page count.

Edit: removing the highlight so it doesn't confuse Ms. Sally.

[Bom Tombadillo]

In light of my forgetting to vote earlier, I'm taking just an eetsy-beetsy second off of what I'm supposed to be doing (you won't tell, will you?):

++Lhunardawen

This may be the pervasive influence of the phantom, but she is acting a bit odd. Although that may be normal, since I can't recall what she's acted like in any of the games I've read . . .

[satansaloser2005]

*cough* Highlight your vote. *cough*


Same way you tag bolding, except put highlight instead of b.

[Nogrod]

Seventy posts with less than two hours to the deadline? That's all we can manage? (okay, I admit I'm one to blame myself but I'm only one of thirteen) No rows between people, no one hurt, no nothing to raise an eybrow?

What I said about Shelob's wishes to stay low as she is alone...

Two quick ones to begin with.

Nerwen: Not quite the traditional "loud-quiet" -discussion as this game is different (there is no team so the lonely spider could much more easily just hunker down - especially looking at the way this game is coming forwards quite lazily).

But what you say about the tspider is just the reason I added that everyone will of course play by their styles - or what I meant more exactly; that a spider wouldn't deviate from her "normal playing style" in a too obvious way, which makes my point a bit less attractive, but still valid, I think.

Referring to tp's count, we basically have two to three Days to bag at least one baddie / get someone saved. So let's not take even this D1 lightly even it looks like there's not much to say or base your vote on.


Btw. If Shelob dies but has already spawned, let's say two spiderlings to maturity, will killing of Shelob end the game or can the two still win together? There is this rule that if Shelob is killed before she has a minion the first stinged will turn into a new Shelob, but how about the situation where there are two or three spiders and Shelob dies?

[Nogrod]

There was actually a quite straightforward answer to my question in the rules...The game ends with a village victory when Shelob is slain. Upon that time, the effect on the children will wear off and they will revert to their current form (though possibly with some extra limbs or teeth).So basically we are only after one player in here.

[satansaloser2005]

Btw. If Shelob dies but has already spawned, let's say two spiderlings to maturity, will killing of Shelob end the game or can the two still win together? There is this rule that if Shelob is killed before she has a minion the first stinged will turn into a new Shelob, but how about the situation where there are two or three spiders and Shelob dies?


Straight up answer. If Shelob is not lynched toDay or toMorrow, she will just die. ToDay or toMorrow, however, I will be cross that you all ended the game so early and will upgrade the primary spawn (if there is more than one, I will roll it off) to Shelob: the Sequel.



Also, one of you is feeling rather ill at the moment. You have my sympathy (but not my tasty corpse, at least not yet).


EDIT: x'd with....myself? Sort of?

[satansaloser2005]

Current vote count is as follows.



Muffin-->Pie
Lhunatic-->Pop
Dramatic Sound Effects-->My Sweet Prince
Stealth Yellowboots-->Lhunatic



I'll count Bom's vote because he sounded like he was popping off, ne'er to return.

[Boromir88]

Moderately suspect voting so far.

Wilwa goes for Glirdan because if he doesn't look crazy suspicious yet he will. Although, she says she doesn't have any suspicions at the most...if she has to make a vote with bad reasoning she probably would feel most comfortable voting for Glirdan. Because it is Glirdy, and everyone does it. :rolleyes:

Lhuna appears to have drawn Lottie's name out hat. Her voting suggests she doesn't care, but her posting says she doesn't want to be lynched yet. Can't blame her, first time back in a while, hate to make a quick exit.

Inzil based on me being more quiet than usual. Fairy nuff for a Day 1 vote, when I'm having just as difficult of a time deciding.

Bom's looks decent enough too, since it's actually based on what Lhuna's done in the present, and not skewed by past, subjective experiences.

[the phantom]

The voting to this point-

Wilwa ++ Glirdan
Lhuna ++ Lottie
Inzil ++ Boro
Bom ++ Lhuna

Still to vote-

Nienna
Lottie
Nog
Nerwen
Glirdy
Boro
Phantom
Shasta
Fea

[Boromir88]

Seventy posts with less than two hours to the deadline? That's all we can manage? (okay, I admit I'm one to blame myself but I'm only one of thirteen) No rows between people, no one hurt, no nothing to raise an eybrow?


Usually I think you jump on the slow activity too early, and also considering the size (and generally busy-ish schedules of many of us), I wouldn't be expecting a lot of posts. But, it's not really the amount of posts it's just been...boring today. Blue and boring. Blue...boringas?

[Nogrod]

Skimming through the thread for any hints...

The way Lottie and Glirdy rant in the beginning looks a bit odd but could just be an inside-joke I just didn't understand. If they are shelob and the stinged though... well it's surely possible if not exactly wise in a game where Shelob needs to stay alive and can do it easily not making mistakes.


The most careful ones? Nerwen, Inzil, Boro? Or the one just making a joke-list? Shasta of course (why I always end up suspecting you?)

I'm not voting for Lhuna for obvious reasons, toDay.

Neither will I vote for Bom T. I have never played with her/him (or at least I don't remember doing that - and s/he seems to do some pretty decent work, if not too much of it).

Also I don't think Fea is Shelob as all this playing around Laura12345 (or whatever) probably means she's not The Baddie.

tp I have no reason to believe is Shelob either. He "forgot" to mention that he does other things than just reveal and false-reveal in games, and I think he has been up to a few nice ones thus far.

Okay. Needs to draw a list now to help my mind. Where are you others?


Heh... call one and get one...
But, it's not really the amount of posts it's just been...boring today.Exactly!

[the phantom]

Ooo!! Ooo!! I may actually have a meaningful post to make! :)

It will be up soon. Gimme two minutes...

[satansaloser2005]

Ooo!! Ooo!! I may actually have a meaningful post to make! :)

It will be up soon. Gimme two minutes...

Interesting. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G1IMM5XOwaM)



(Relevant bit's at ~1:15.)

[the phantom]

Today has been super quiet. Bleh. Quiet days are ugly.

Down to business now. There is someone that has been stung. I've been trying to keep my eye out for someone who appears to be in need of serious help, or who is practically begging to be lynched.

Possible posts that fit those requirements-
It's dark and I'm afraid!
But then later he rationalizes his comment and even says-
I must confess that I shake my shoes every morning before putting them on. No creepie-crawlie's getting my foot!
Which I doubt a sting victim would say. So no, not Inzil.

So moving on...
But, but, I've only just caught a bad case:( ...this is not fair!
My my- sounds like someone saying "I'm sick!" doesn't it? Not that he could admit as much, and perhaps his next post in which he theorizes the existence of a Spiderling rather than a training-Spiderling, he is attempting to cover up his "reveal" which he feared may have been too obvious and thus worthy of modfire? Hmmm...

I'd say Boro is a possibility for last night's stinging.

But first let's take a look at the person who has BY FAR been the most interesting to watch... Lhuna!
I reveal... That it's dark, and I'm very much afraid. Will someone hold my hand?
Now, leading with "I reveal" and mentioning holding hands, to me anyway, screams of someone attempting to draw out Sam and/or Frodo. Did anyone else have that immediate reaction? That would make Lhuna a good Shelob candidate.

But it's also technically possible she was trying to get Sam's attention because she was stung, making her a Been-Stung candidate.

Then later-
There's not really much to go on at this point, is there? I've never felt so useless.
Feeling useless? Sounds like a Been-Stung.
You're considering lynching me?

I honestly do not know whether to feel threatened or pleased with myself.
Again, sounds like a Been-Stung.
The best thing we could hope - dream - to find toDay is Shelob defending/protecting whoever she stung.
Now here she mentions the person that was stung and even invites a "dream", or the closest thing we have to it in this game, the Doctor's ability to dream if someone has been stung. Is this another "I've been Stung" clue?

Of course it could also be Shelob boldly attempting to get Sam to waste his cure ability and the Doctor to waste his examine ability on her, thus leaving her minion alone.

In summary I am very very suspicious of Lhuna. Only problem is, if she's Shelob, I'd rather kill her Day 3 and end it. Perhaps we can request that Sam check her with his cure if he feels at all inclined just in case? Bah, but if she's Shelob it'd be a waste. Bleh. I don't like you, Lhuna.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Today has been super quiet. Bleh. Quiet days are ugly.

Down to business now. There is someone that has been stung. I've been trying to keep my eye out for someone who appears to be in need of serious help, or who is practically begging to be lynched.

Possible posts that fit those requirements-

But then later he rationalizes his comment and even says-

Which I doubt a sting victim would say. So no, not Inzil.

So moving on...

My my- sounds like someone saying "I'm sick!" doesn't it? Not that he could admit as much, and perhaps his next post in which he theorizes the existence of a Spiderling rather than a training-Spiderling, he is attempting to cover up his "reveal" which he feared may have been too obvious and thus worthy of modfire? Hmmm...

I'd say Boro is a possibility for last night's stinging.

But first let's take a look at the person who has BY FAR been the most interesting to watch... Lhuna!

Now, leading with "I reveal" and mentioning holding hands, to me anyway, screams of someone attempting to draw out Sam and/or Frodo. Did anyone else have that immediate reaction? That would make Lhuna a good Shelob candidate.

But it's also technically possible she was trying to get Sam's attention because she was stung, making her a Stung candidate.

Then later-

Feeling useless? Sounds like a Stung.

Again, sounds like a stung.

Now here she mentions the person that was stung and even invites a "dream", or the closest thing we have to it in this game, the Doctor's ability to dream if someone has been stung. Is this another "I've been Stung" clue?

Of course it could also be Shelob boldly attempting to get Sam to waste his cure ability and the Doctor to waste his examine ability on her, thus leaving her minion alone.

In summary I am very very suspicious of Lhuna.

Except that you're suspicious of Lhuna being a stung and not Shelob at all, which by your logic means you shouldn't focus on her.

Anyway...

I literally have no idea what to look for. I'm used to looking for connections between baddies, and there aren't really going to be any in this game, so...

But then I don't want to vote randomly, either. That's quite a cop-out.

And I wouldn't put it past Phantlob to try and carry the game himself based on sheer charisma - what better way to not get lynched than by being a personality that never gets lynched?

But then that's my anti-ego bias talking. :p Love ya, Phanty, you know it.

Hmmm.

[satansaloser2005]

Hmmm.

Did you watch the video?! *is suspicious*

[Boromir88]

Also I don't think Fea is Shelob as all this playing around Laura12345 (or whatever) probably means she's not The Baddie.


Yeah, she's a beautiful woman, probably.

[Nogrod]

So we'd need to catch Shelob toDay... or the one she stinged. Both would be good deals. Possibly the latter even better!

Not voting on D1 without a good last hour reason:
Bom T. (my first game with her/him)
Lhuna (long time no see)
tp (makes sensible effort)
Fea (because of this Laura-stuff)

I'm probably not voting my usual D1 suspects - I'm more often wrong with them than not...
Lottie
Glirdan
Shasta

Torn with:
Wilwa (makes sense and effort to think but is very careful - but with her vote)

Are a bit too careful to my taste thus far (looking at my point of Shelob wishing to be noncontroversial)
Inzil
Nerwen
Boro


Has Nienna posted?


EDIT: X'd with a host it seems. Good we start playing (fifteen minutes before the DL... )

[the phantom]

Except that you're suspicious of Lhuna being a stung and not Shelob at all
Not true. I stated two times in that last post that her behavior could point to Shelob.
Now, leading with "I reveal" and mentioning holding hands, to me anyway, screams of someone attempting to draw out Sam and/or Frodo. Did anyone else have that immediate reaction? That would make Lhuna a good Shelob candidate.
Of course it could also be Shelob boldly attempting to get Sam to waste his cure ability and the Doctor to waste his examine ability on her, thus leaving her minion alone.
In other words, I suspect she is possibly a desperate Been-Stung or a rather clever Shelob. Her behavior would fit either.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Did you watch the video?! *is suspicious*

Of course I watched the video. *is suspicious of your suspiciousness*

[the phantom]

Is this thread going to explode, Sally?

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Not true. I stated two times in that last post that her behavior could point to Shelob.


In other words, I suspect she is possibly a desperate Been-Stung or a rather clever Shelob. Her behavior would fit either.

The first case - no, I didn't have that reaction. And in any case, wouldn't someone who's been stung already be working for Shelob? So wouldn't they also have an interest in drawing out Sam/Frodo?

The second - you say it could be either or. That doesn't necessitate that you think one over the other. So I think my point is more "true" than "not true". :)

[the phantom]

During this game I will never lynch-
Phantom
Wilwa
Lottie

In addition, ToDay I am not willing to lynch-
Nienna
Nog
Bom
Shasta
Inzil

[satansaloser2005]

Has Nienna posted?

Nienna may have something going on in the land of RL. I've not heard from her.


Of course I watched the video. *is suspicious of your suspiciousness*

There's my good Shasticle. <3

[satansaloser2005]

Is this thread going to explode, Sally?

satansaloser2005 likes this.

[Boromir88]

Phantom, I'm taking it then you would be most acceptable with Lhuna. What about Glirdan?

[the phantom]

And in any case, wouldn't someone who's been stung already be working for Shelob? So wouldn't they also have an interest in drawing out Sam/Frodo?
It was my understanding that the Been-Stung was still on the side of good until fully turned, thus the first Night's victim in order to be faithful to the rules and alliances should have done whatever possible this day in order to get Sam to turn him back.
The second - you say it could be either or. That doesn't necessitate that you think one over the other. So I think my point is more "true" than "not true".
Except that you said I thought Lhuna was "not Shelob at all", but only the Been-Stung. I said she could be either.

[Nogrod]

Fair points on Lhuna being the stinged one tp. So what to do? Lynch or let Sam give it a go? Both could be argued and counter-argued for.

[satansaloser2005]

It was my understanding that the Been-Stung was still on the side of good until fully turned, thus the first Night's victim in order to be faithful to the rules and alliances should have done whatever possible this day in order to get Sam to turn him back.

This is correct.

I'm trying to decide if I should tell you whether or not they made their saving throw.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

During this game I will never lynch-
Phantom
Wilwa
Lottie

In addition, ToDay I am not willing to lynch-
Nienna
Nog
Bom
Shasta
Inzil

Your diehard assurance that neither Wilwa nor Lottie is or will be evil bothers me, Phantom. I could just as easily say "I will never lynch Nerwen or Fea and have just as much proof/evidence on my side as you have on yours. In any case, what happens if either one of them gets stung?

[Shastanis Althreduin]

This is correct.

I'm trying to decide if I should tell you whether or not they made their saving throw.

Oh, okay, then I misunderstood. My apologies.

[satansaloser2005]

Yeah, she's a beautiful woman, probably.

Truth, the young man speaks it. They're both very pretty. (For serious.)


Five(ish) minutes.

[Nogrod]

Blasted last minutes... That shoud be checked (what you discuss Shasta & tp). If the stinged knows s/he is stinged... hmm. blah.

EDIT: Sally beat me with the answer...

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Fair points on Lhuna being the stinged one tp. So what to do? Lynch or let Sam give it a go? Both could be argued and counter-argued for.

This post bothers me. Here's how it reads to me -

"Hmm, Phantom is going after Lhuna. That's a fine choice since it's not me or my Stung, so I'm going to subtly put my assistance behind it without actually supporting a Lhuna lynch."

[satansaloser2005]

Blasted last minutes... That shoud be checked (what you discuss Shasta & tp). If the stinged knows s/he is stinged... hmm. blah.

EDIT: Sally beat me with the answer...

The victim knows they have been stung. They were notified at Dawn.

ETA: Nog and I keep having information cross-posts. FTW.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Well, a last minute vote isn't going to help matters any.

Best guess -

++Nogrod

[the phantom]

Boro- I'm okay with Glirdan as a dark-shot I suppose, and giving Sam a save at Lhuna. If it comes back empty, I'd have her on the menu for later. If a successful cure is made, I will dance a little jig and sing the told-everyone-so song. :p

[Nogrod]

Five minutes? Jesus.

Why does it always end like this? Ideas, anyone?

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Boro- I'm okay with Glirdan as a dark-shot I suppose, and giving Sam a save at Lhuna. If it comes back empty, I'd have her on the menu for later. If a successful cure is made, I will dance a little jig and sing the told-everyone-so song. :p

Will a successful cure be in the narration? I don't recall reading about that.

[satansaloser2005]

Language, Noggins. *blows a kiss*

[the phantom]

Your diehard assurance that neither Wilwa nor Lottie is or will be evil bothers me, Phantom.
It bothers you now, but you'll pat me on the back later. You'll see.

I'm voting Glirdan if no one else suggests something good.

[satansaloser2005]

Wilwa-->Glirdan
Lhuna-->Lottie
Dun-->Boro
Bom-->Lhuna
Shasta-->Nog

[Boromir88]

++Glirdan

[Nogrod]

Okay.

I'd rather save Lhuna for Sam... if he wishes to try her.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

It bothers you now, but you'll pat me on the back later. You'll see.

I'm voting Glirdan if no one else suggests something good.

And balrogs will fly.

[the phantom]

++Glirdan

[Nogrod]

Okay: GLirdan and Lottie... possible


++ Glirdan

[the phantom]

And balrogs will fly.
Indeed they will, lad. ;)

[satansaloser2005]

Wilwa-->Glirdan
Lhuna-->Lottie
Dun-->Boro
Bom-->Lhuna
Shasta-->Nog
Boro-->Glirdan (2)
Phantom-->Glirdan (3)
Nog-->Glirdan (4)


Although Nog's vote needs to be highlighted....

EDIT: There's a good lad. *gives Nog a cookie*

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Okay: GLirdan and Lottie... possible


++ Glirdan

Not that it matters now, but don't forget to highlight your vote, Nog. :)

[the phantom]

Highlight, Nog.

EDIT: ha ha! x-post + already fixed :D

EDIT: Just realized Glirdy is who I listed on my early list as Doctor. *facepalm* For once I hope I'm wrong. :p

[satansaloser2005]

This line is dead. Shut up.

[satansaloser2005]

Glirdan is dead. He was an uninfected cave-trawler.


"Glirdy Pie"
(Parody of "Cherry Pie" by Warrant, and way safer for little ghouls)

It’s Pie’s time to die
He’s lynched all the time so it’s no surprise
Killed so much. Why’s he even try?
Poor Glirdy pie

Killed for keepin’ quiet
Killed for bein’ gone
Killed for bein’ here
And tellin’ everyone he’s on (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=653891&postcount=12)
Voted by the goodies
Voted by the bad
There’s very few votes
Poor Glirdy hasn’t had

Killin’ Glirdy all the time’s
Stoppin’ him from winnin’
This time’s cool though
He’d rather be singin’
Killin’ him without even
Havin’ a good case?
You’ll bring the Doctor (http://www.geekscape.net/img/cache/425x425/angry_doctor.jpg) down
And he’ll come with an Ace (http://30.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ljodwn74pL1qbbc71o1_500.jpg)

I guess the lynch
Didn’t go too well, huh?
Maybe you’ll have
Better luck toMorrow

Poor, poor Glirdy pie
Somebody tell me
Why he always dies
Plays real well
But he keeps gettin’ fried
Poor Glirdy pie

Poor, poor Glirdy pie
Got bandwaggoned on
The poor, poor guy
Innocent
But he’s still gotta die
Poor Glirdy pie

Killin’ him Day One’s
Takin’ it a bit far
Lynchin’ someone else (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showthread.php?p=653890#post653890)
Is it really that hard?
Poor little Glirdy
He’ll really be missed
And killin’ other sugars
Gets you on the Cupcake’s list

I guess the lynch
Didn’t go too well, huh?
Maybe you’ll have
Better luck tomorrow

Poor, poor Glirdy pie
Somebody tell me
Why he always dies
Plays real well
But he keeps gettin’ fried
Poor Glirdy pie

Poor, poor Glirdy pie
Got bandwaggoned on
The poor, poor guy
Innocent
But he’s still gotta die
Poor Glirdy pie

*insert a solo of pie tins being thrown into a wall....and drums*

Flippin’ werewolf veterans. :rolleyes:

Wilwa was just kiddin’
But Boro, Phantom, no
Then Nog added one
And he had about four
In comes the moddess
Crossin’ votes with the flow
Said, “You ain't gonna lynch
Little Glirdy no more....oh.”

Poor, poor Glirdy pie
You’re all in trouble
‘Cause he’s not alive
What’d he do
To deserve to die? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ)
Poor Glirdy pie

Poor, poor Glirdy pie
Your votes made him leave so
Say goodbye
Innocent
But he’s still ‘bout to die
Poor Glirdy pie
Die, Glirdy, die



(I need to link a few things into this, but it's done. I hope you like it, Sir Pie.)


Shelob, Doctor, Sam, send me picks. Frodo, find your security blanket. Everyone else, don't sleep too hard.



Lynchables:
Wilwa
Lhuna
Dun
Bom
Shasta
Nog
Boro
Phantom
Lottie
Nerwen
Fea
Nienna

Lunchables:
Glirdan (ordo, lynched Day 1)



These people will be modfired if they do not vote toMorrow:
Nerwen
Lottie
Glirdan (oh wait....)
Fea
Nienna will get a pass because I think she may have an understandable RL issue. We'll see.

[satansaloser2005]

The sound of dripping water echoed throughout the cavern, as did the sleepy mumblings of its inhabitants. Shelob looked around, up, down, left, right, then left and right again. She thought she was safe, but then....then she saw a soft blue glow from the corner. The light wasn't much, but it would be enough to give away her identity, and that of her victim, should anyone happen to awake. Knowing she could do nothing this night, Shelob returned to her slumber.


Alive:
Wilwa
Lhuna
Dun
Bom
Shasta
Nog
Boro
Phantom
Lottie
Nerwen
Fea
Nienna

Dead:
Glirdan (ordo, lynched Day 1)

[Inziladun]

So, I've done an exhaustive analysis of the Night-kill and here's what I've....oh, right. No one's dead.

Anyway, why did we kill Glirdy?

[the phantom]

Anyway, why did we kill Glirdy?
It was just his time to go.

(Yours is Day 4, fyi.)

Also, do we know if anyone was stung last night? Do we have to wait for the narration, or will we not be in the loop on protections and cures?

[the phantom]

Ah, I see the Moddess put in an answer to my question-
I'll tell you that Shelob was not able to sting anyone last Night.
Ha ha ha! :D

And Sam has struck a blow already. And with these kind of odds, no less. Quite impressive. He must possess nearly Phantom-level awesomeness. Either that or he himself was the sting target, and if that's the case I will take credit for it, as no doubt some scheme of mine made Sam look like an attractive sting target. You watch, it'll totally be to my credit.

Nothing much has changed since yesterday. Wilwa, Lottie, and I are still entirely innocent and I will defend them forever.

Lhuna still is extremely shady, and Inzil looks like he's up to no good. In my opinion we should all shake hands and agree that those two shall be lynched Day 3 and Day 4. I'm still undecided on Day 5 though. Hmmm....

[Nogrod]

do we know if anyone was stung last night?
I'll tell you that Shelob was not able to sting anyone last Night.Hurray for Sam!

D1's voting was quite disasterous. I mean there was to be sure quite a high probability that we misslynch as there was only one baddie to hit and one stung person as the second best choice, but the way we voted and how many people did not... There's little to say in there, but I'll look at it shortly before I turn to sleep...


Nicely X-posted with tp... :)

[the phantom]

And Nog is here. I don't know if he's still good today, but he was good yesterday (aka not Shelob). I think I'm pretty safe in saying that given the way things turned out with what I believed he spotted and what I theorize happened last night etc.

We still on the same page, Nog?

[Inziladun]

We still on the same page, Nog?

Says the spider to the spawn? :p

Hurray for Sam!

Indeed. If, of course, he merely wasn't Shelob's choice.

Wasn't Sam led to believe he should target Lhuna last Night?

D1's voting was quite disasterous. I mean there was to be sure quite a high probability that we misslynch as there was only one baddie to hit and one stung person as the second best choice, but the way we voted and how many people did not... There's little to say in there, but I'll look at it shortly before I turn to sleep...

I don't see that much can be gained from the voting, especially with the fact that there was only one spawn, and they had a 50% chance of their vote not counting.

Lhuna still is extremely shady, and Inzil looks like he's up to no good. In my opinion we should all shake hands and agree that those two shall be lynched Day 3 and Day 4. I'm still undecided on Day 5 though. Hmmm....

I'm "up to no good", am I? YesterDay you apparently weren't all that concerned about me. You yourself haven't earned an "automatic innocent" pass yet, by any means.

[wilwarin538]

Yay, good job Sammy!

Well that's definitely an awesome start. So the person who had already been stung from the start, have they been turned? If so then we have Shelob and one spawn to worry about, but another spawn won't be able to be created for another two Nights (since they would need to be stung toNight, and wouldn`t be fully turned until the following Night, right?). Pretty good start I think.

I'll be able to pop on randomly for the next couple of hours before I go to sleep, but most of my participation will be occuring tomorrow, and I should be aound a lot then.

xèd with Inzil

[Inziladun]

So the person who had already been stung from the start, have they been turned? If so then we have Shelob and one spawn to worry about, but another spawn won't be able to be created for another two Nights (since they would need to be stung toNight, and wouldn`t be fully turned until the following Night, right?). Pretty good start I think.

I think the original spawn is turned now. I think you're right about the next spawn not taking its place until at least Day 4.

[Nogrod]

Early votes (with the approximate time before the DL the vote was given)

- 4.40 Wilwa -> Glirdy
- 2.30 Lhuna -> Lottie
- 2.20 Inzil -> Boro
- 1.40 Bom -> Lhuna

Last minute votes (with the exact time of the vote)

.55 Shasta -> Nogrod
.59 Boro -> Glirdan 2
.59 tp -> Glirdan 3
.00 Nogrod -> Glirdan 4

Did not vote

Nerwen
Lottie
Fea
Nienna


I'd bet quite a lot for Shelob hiding somewhere among the early voters or the non-voters. Which is no argument that one's time-zone or RL hurries make one guilty (or innocent to that matter), but that these would be the crowds Shelob would like to hang with.

The reason for that is, that as I said alreayd yesterDay, in this kind of a game setting that's the best place for Shelob, not to stand out and always be in the middle of many similar kind of candidates. But also I find it pretty improbable that either Shelob or her stinged-one were seriously at fray yesterDay. If either of them was, then they must be found among the list of those who had one vote before Glirdan got his three additional votes:

This brings me back to this speculation about Lhuna's possible hints of being infected (my theory about Glirdy and Lottie has already been proven wrong).

And in regards it. I think there is a thing we should know for sure.

Sally: Did Sam have a chance to heal someone already last Night or did his activity only start last Night so that the first healing of someone in the process of transformation he could do would have been possible at the beginning of this Day?

In plain talk: did he have a chance to heal someone last Night or did Shelob get one minion for free?


Let's talk a bit more toDay, shall we?

We still on the same page, Nog?I don't know how much stuff you have on that page, but I do think I understand at least the important part of what you're doing.

[satansaloser2005]

Nienna regrets to inform you that she has to withdraw. She, too, was an unpunctured innocent.

[the phantom]

Wasn't Sam led to believe he should target Lhuna last Night?
Indeed, and I'd be very interested to know if Sam did in fact attempt to cure her.

Tell me people- could any harm come from me asking everyone to say who they would've attempted to cure if they were Sam? That way, if you or I have an inkling as to who Sam is, we'd see their answer and know for certain whether they attempted to turn Lhuna.

Is there something obviously bad that could happen as a result of that plan? (I can't think about it properly without distraction until I'm home, so I'm leaving it up to you people to vote the plan up or down.)
I'm "up to no good", am I? YesterDay you apparently weren't all that concerned about me. You yourself haven't earned an "automatic innocent" pass yet, by any means.
Calm down lad, you still have a couple days to have fun before you die. No need to be defensive. It's simply the way of things. ;)
Yay, good job Sammy!
Every time I see "Sammy" I think of Wayside School's dead rat visitor. Raise your hand if you know what I'm talking about. :)

But yeah, don't refer to him as "Sammy". I realize it's a cute version of the name that fits how adorable he is, and you have as much right to determine his nickname as anyone, but it just confuses me. How about "Samantha"?

[Bom Tombadillo]

Hoom Hoom. Thinking about what you said, Nogrod, led me to consider further my suspicions about the Glirdy-wagon, and to come to the opposite conclusion: Boromir88 and you are Shelob and spawn! :eek: I noticed that you two had voted Glirdan - poor, innocent Glirdan - with no apparent reason, not even trying to justify it. Even phantom gave some warning.

And then you attempt to place (Noglob? Sherod? or maybe Shelob88?) in either of the other two categories! I'm onto you . . .

Plus, by your own logic:

But also I find it pretty improbable that either Shelob or her stinged-one were seriously at fray yesterDay.

As noted by the illustrious wilwarin538 and myself, respectively, both Boromir88 and your (eight-legged?) self were quite quiet yesterday.

Now, due to the lack of retractable votes, I won't vote for you juuuuuust . . . yet. But I'mma be watching you, I is, preciousssss.

__________________________________________________ _______________

And phantom, that sounds like an excellent idea. Full disclosure where Sam is concerned can't hurt (can it?). Just watch for misdirection, everybody - Shelob and her minions will be trying to steer us wrong as much as possible.

Also, I would appreciate more justificationizing of your accusationizing of Inziladun. Although I'm certain you're right (:rolleyes:) I don't quite see the undoubtedly impeccable reasoning.

[the phantom]

And phantom, that sounds like an excellent idea. Full disclosure where Sam is concerned can't hurt (can it?).
Well, can it? That's what I'm asking. I guess you're voting that the plan sounds good then?

Let's have some more input. Inzil, Nog, Wilwa- still around? Anyone else?

(For those that don't know what I'm talking about, it's this-
Tell me people- could any harm come from me asking everyone to say who they would've attempted to cure if they were Sam? That way, if you or I have an inkling as to who Sam is, we'd see their answer and know for certain whether they attempted to turn Lhuna.

[Inziladun]

Tell me people- could any harm come from me asking everyone to say who they would've attempted to cure if they were Sam? That way, if you or I have an inkling as to who Sam is, we'd see their answer and know for certain whether they attempted to turn Lhuna.

Is there something obviously bad that could happen as a result of that plan? (I can't think about it properly without distraction until I'm home, so I'm leaving it up to you people to vote the plan up or down.)

Perhaps I'm dense (entirely possible), but I don't see what it would accomplish. Anyway, you're counting on the baddies among us to be honest, aren't you?

Calm down lad, you still have a couple days to have fun before you die. No need to be defensive. It's simply the way of things. ;)

I'm quite calm, sir. Just doing a bit of poking and prodding of my own. Maybe something useful will come of it.

x/d with Bom and tp

[satansaloser2005]

I'll allow the hypotheticals, as long as no one says "Well, I'm Sam and I protected...."


Also, Noglob is now the official term. Sherod confused me. :p

[the phantom]

Perhaps I'm dense (entirely possible), but I don't see what it would accomplish. Anyway, you're counting on the baddies among us to be honest, aren't you?
Psh, I know the baddies will lie. Everyone will lie other than Sam in a manner, as no one but him honestly tried to cure someone, so they'll just be making it up.

I would just like to see the percentages for one thing (i.e. if every person says Lhuna then we can all know it to be true), and even if there are disagreements there are certain individuals that will matter more to me and others (I'm sure we'll all have our suspicions about Sam, right?) and we can use our guesses to help guide us. Or at least I will.

[Inziladun]

I would just like to see the percentages for one thing (i.e. if every person says Lhuna then we can all know it to be true), and even if there are disagreements there are certain individuals that will matter more to me and others (I'm sure we'll all have our suspicions about Sam, right?) and we can use our guesses to help guide us. Or at least I will.

I don't suppose I see the harm in it, at any rate. I know who I'd have likely been interested in last Night as Sam.

[the phantom]

All right then, we have the go-ahead from Bom and Inzil, but I'd like to wait for at least a couple other people to give it a stamp just in case I missed something obvious.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Psh, I know the baddies will lie. Everyone will lie other than Sam in a manner, as no one but him honestly tried to cure someone, so they'll just be making it up.

I never lie. Never. :Merisu:

I should like to first register my complete indifference to most of the rules of this particular game.

Here are the rules I shall be playing under:

The Doctor is obviously a phony, or xe'd have used xer sonic screwdriver by now. Therefore we can't rely on the nimwit saving us, therefore let's ignore the role entirely. There is no Doctor.

Shelob must be either Wilwa, Lhuna, Lottie, or Nerwen. Henceforth, I shall refer to all of them as Shewa, Shena, Shetie, and Shewen.

Since all of the animals in the park have been specifically engineered to be female, it is fair and rational to guess that all of Shelob's spawn is also female. (I looked under their skirts.)

However, in the event of life finding a way even in the midst of gender identity crisis, I shall not vote today for the first person to tell me - in layman's terms - what automictic parthenogenesis is, and how it relates to the phantom, who I won't be listening to, because his advice always takes too long to follow.

Savvy?

[Inziladun]

I shall not vote today for the first person to tell me - in layman's terms - what automictic parthenogenesis is, and how it relates to the phantom, who I won't be listening to, because his advice always takes too long to follow.

Isn't that the delusion that one is a Greek god and all mortals are merely here for his amusement? What could that have to do with phantom? :p

[the phantom]

I have no father. I am too awesome to have been a product of any dude. I sprung forth out of Athena's forhead, all wise and stuff (and dressed as Batman, no less).

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

I have no father. I am too awesome to have been a product of any dude. I sprung forth out of Athena's forhead, all wise and stuff (and dressed as Batman, no less).

I'll count this as a win.

[satansaloser2005]

I have no father. I am too awesome to have been a product of any dude. I sprung forth out of Athena's forehead, all wise and stuff (and dressed as Batman, no less).

I cracked my head open when I was five. I spent two days more or less unconscious, and kept mumbling about Batman. I'm afraid now. >.<

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Give Me Winning Post. Sally.

[Inziladun]

I have no father. I am too awesome to have been a product of any dude. I sprung forth out of Athena's forhead, all wise and stuff (and dressed as Batman, no less).

Batman, eh? Something like this (http://www.amazon.com/Fruit-Loom-Batman-Underoos-Prints/dp/B001XUQQPE)?

[satansaloser2005]

Batman, eh? Something like this (http://www.amazon.com/Fruit-Loom-Batman-Underoos-Prints/dp/B001XUQQPE)?

Now I know what I'm getting Phantom for his birthday. ^_^




Fea:

It's not your turn. Princess.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Fea:

It's not your turn. Princess.

But I WANT it. Moddess.

[the phantom]

I give Fea my post of the day award, as it was the inspiration for my post, contained the very funny names "Shewa, Shena, Shetie, and Shewen", and is the ultimate reason I will be receiving Batman PJs for my birthday.

(Ha ha- say Fea's version of Lottie out loud. :D )

[the phantom]

One question Inzil- does it come in black?

[satansaloser2005]

Phantom, you're spoiling her. Jerk.

[satansaloser2005]

Nienna is gone and no one's said anything. I am disappoint.

[the phantom]

Wait.... you just called me "jerk".

So.... does that mean I'm modfired? For violating the "no jerks" policy? :(

I knew this would happen! Please can you make a special rule just for me so I can keep playing? Phantom can be a jerk, but no one else?

[satansaloser2005]

Phantom can be a jerk, but no one else can.


I want something nice for my birthday. :Merisu:

[Inziladun]

One question Inzil- does it come in black?

If not, that's what shoe polish is for.

Nienna is gone and no one's said anything. I am disappoint.

I hate that she had to bow out so quickly. I had an idea what could be going on, but I was hoping I was wrong.

[Boromir88]

First things first...well two things actually.

Legs! Good. Arms! Nice. Hands! With lots of fingers. How many? Oh great there's ten. Ears! Even better. Nose! Woot, I'm fine.

Yeah, she's a beautiful woman, probably.

I feel safe enough to also add...Nice hair. Clever girl. She has a gun. And unlike me, she really has no problems shooting shelobs.

[satansaloser2005]

Nice hair. Clever girl. She has a gun. And unlike me, she really has no problems shooting shelobs.

Thanks, sweetie. :Merisu:

[satansaloser2005]

....so I'm going to bed.


Does anyone know where Nerwen is? :eek:

[Inziladun]

Does anyone know where Nerwen is? :eek:

Some weird place called "Australia". I hear they have to wear velcro shoes to keep from falling off the earth.

[the phantom]

Okay, so, since no one has objected to it, would everyone please tell me which person you would have selected for your cure yesterday/last night if you were Sam?

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

(Ha ha- say Fea's version of Lottie out loud. :D )

:Merisu:

And she called you a jerk because she loves that tunnel more than she loves you.

[satansaloser2005]

:Merisu:

And she called you a jerk because she loves that tunnel more than she loves you.

It's your turn now. Lovely.

[Inziladun]

Okay, so, since no one has objected to it, would everyone please tell me which person you would have selected for your cure yesterday/last night if you were Sam?

Probably Bom for me. He came out of the gate acting as if he'd known you for years. That, or he's been stalking you here. Uncanny, I called it. :eek:

[the phantom]

Probably Bom for me. He came out of the gate acting as if he'd known you for years. That, or he's been stalking you here. Uncanny, I called it. :eek:
If you'll recall, I actually remarked on that yesterday. Old member, new account? Longtime lurker? Certainly seems to know whose back to scratch anyway.

[Inziladun]

If you'll recall, I actually remarked on that yesterday. Old member, new account? Longtime lurker? Certainly seems to know whose back to scratch anyway.

Exactly.

[Nerwen]

I am here. Alas, my velcro shoes came off and I floated off into space for a bit, but all is well now.

Which is to say, I was seeing my brother and sister-and-law off at the airport on a late flight, and because they're both loonies who couldn't organise their way out of a paper bag, there were many, many hassles. Didn't get much sleep.

I'll give my thoughts in due course.

[Bom Tombadillo]

I've only been lurking since . . . sometime late last year? I forget. But I latched on to phantom the first time I saw him . . . reading Tol-in-Gaurhoth I and being amazed by his deduction. :D

Anyway, yeah, given that phantom had impressed me so much previously, I went straight to following him around. I just hope I don't turn out to be blindly following a phantlob.

Anyway, were I Sam, I would've cured Lhuna.

[Loslote]

I'm here, and my brain is 'sploding with words, and only some of them have to do with Fea's awesome/hilarious nickname. :p

Zil: It's been a while since I've played with him, but something strikes me as off...not sure yet, but he tops my list.

tp: The way he labelled Wilwa and I innocent yesterDay made me think that he could be Shetom, preparing excuses for links between him and future Spiderlings, but I think he'd choose different people if that were the case. Since he's tp, unexplained assertions really wouldn't go questioned, no matter who he chose to unexplainedly assert things about.

Fea and BomTom strike me as innocent. And fun. But for the purposes of this post, primarily innocent. ;)

Everyone else is just sort of hovering in the blackness like some sort of unidentified thing that hovers. UFOs, they are... :eek:

EDIT: xed with BomTom

[Lhunardawen]

phantom, dear, you never cease to amaze with your uncanny powers of interpretation.

How you jumped from "Will someone please hold my hand?" to "Lhuna is either Shelob or a Been-Stung" baffles me. Well of course there were a lot of other skippingstones along the way - which you enumerated - but I dare think that if my first post didn't give you that idea, you would have reached a different hypothesis about me. Or reached the same hypothesis, but felt less strongly about it. Or ignored me completely.

[the phantom]

IMPORTANT NOTE: This post is especially for Bom. If you are not Bom, read at your own risk. If you particularly dislike me or are feeling hostile towards me at the moment, definitely don't read this post, as it will result in uncontrollable fist-shaking, temporary gagging, and spasms of eye-rolling.
I've only been lurking since . . . sometime late last year? I forget. But I latched on to phantom the first time I saw him . . . reading Tol-in-Gaurhoth I and being amazed by his deduction.
Ah, but WW 1 was only the beginning- when all of us were at our least refined. If you truly wish to see Phantom masterpieces, read these threads-

WW 2 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showthread.php?t=11925)- This one was hosted by SPM, and though our styles hadn't entirely settled, I still have to include it as it was a well earned Wolf victory for me.

WW 4 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showthread.php?t=11980)- This game, modded by TGWBS, was notable in that it was the first ever innocent win. I did my part to help, but the most notable thing about my involvement was my request for lynching volunteers on the first day of the game. It was hilarious and sort of set the tone for what it meant to be Phantom- amusing and predictably unpredictable.

One Saga to Rule Them All!! (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showthread.php?t=12232)- This Wilwa modded game was just delightful for Boro, Lal, and I, the unlynched victorious WWs. If you enjoy slaughter of Ordos, this is a game for you.

Psychotic Penguins (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showthread.php?t=12872)- This gem, hosted by Nog and Lommy, definitely ranks as one of my favorites. In a period of four days we villagers managed to lynch the three WWs and the Cobbler, and thanks to a lovely set-up from SeerLal I was able to pretend to be the Hunter though I was but an Ordo. It was a riot!

Dueling Wizards II (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showthread.php?t=14849)- This mountain of a game was masterfully hosted by Nog and took a huge huge investment of time on my part (I was a wizard). The extremely memorable thing in this game is (besides my entertaining posts obviously) the incredible accuracy of all of my nightly selections. The Opera Ghost was on fire, my friends.

At the Source of Darkness (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showthread.php?t=15011)- This ruins-exploring adventure, dreamed up by Mac & Rikae, required my partner Wolf (Lommy) and I to walk a fine line, and we did it! Want to learn how to be a good WW? Take notes on this one.

The Republic (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showthread.php?t=15163)- Fea's amazing Rep-voting style game was arguably as great a performance as I've ever had as a good-guy. Boro and I ran an amazing double-act that is just gripping to read, and we successfully put three WWs into the ground before we were Night-killed. Unfortunately the remaining WW was never caught (Brin managed quite the escape), but it doesn't undo the previous brilliance.

Chess Game For Middle Earth (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showthread.php?t=15330)- This extremely creative contest, Shasta's baby, was absolutely thrilling beginning to end! The end was notable in that it in fact didn't happen, but we all still remember it fondly, and I was un-friggin-believable as the Cobbler. But believe it or not, it's possible that it wasn't my best ever Cobbler performance, because....

Halls of Mandos (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showthread.php?t=17113)- I was just beautiful in this recent Mac & Rikae hosted party. I mean, seriously, if I'm not mistaken I actually danced a little jig and jumped up and down at the finish- quite the reaction for someone who always expects to be awesome. That ought to tell you that I went beyond the normal bounds of greatness.

Now, the following games are special due to the fact that they were moderated by yours truly. *bows* Each was quite revolutionary in its time, and the play was fantastic!

Erbar Telamarth (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showthread.php?t=12312)- I set out quite a fun story in this one, and even after the game was over there was fun to be had, as I had hidden various "Easter Eggs" throughout my narratives that players were encouraged to find after the contest. Also, my final day final narration that came in bits and pieces was just edge-of-seat stuff (I kept everyone guessing).

With a Twist (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showthread.php?t=14479)- I'd love to tell you all about this game, but it would ruin the twist. Fea helped me with writing the confusing narration which then makes sense at the finish when a huge twist is revealed! It was definitely one of the most evil plots I've ever come up with.

Werewolf- this time it's real! (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showthread.php?t=15413) Now this one was very unique in that the game started out like an RPG and then turned into a horrifying game of real life Werewolf! The premise- present day, and Middle Earth is real! You'll just have to read it.

And then also deserving a spot on the list is the brave Legate who dared to enact an evil plot of mine that I discussed with him privately. The plot? Have a false Day 1. *snicker*
Prison of Ice (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showthread.php?t=15999)

(PS Bom- if you read too many of these threads at once, you may experience what is known as a Phantogasm. Though it is an amazingly awesome thing, there are negative side-effects which may include temporary blind obedience, loss of reasoning skills, and depression when reading any thread Phantom hasn't posted on. If I were you, I'd take it slow.)

[the phantom]

phantom, dear, you never cease to amaze with your uncanny powers of interpretation.
Aw, shucks.
but I dare think that if my first post didn't give you that idea, you would have reached a different hypothesis about me. Or reached the same hypothesis, but felt less strongly about it. Or ignored me completely.
You are correct. My entire approach to you was entirely shaped by that first post. Yes, Shena, that was what did it. And that is why tomorrow I plan to squash you like the spider queen you are. (Again, I'm not doing it today because the Shelob gift would just shift people and then I'd be at square one again.)

But until then we can be friends. So, first question- who would you have cured yesterday/night?

Second question- what is your estimate on how many episodes before Castle and Kate get together?

[Nerwen]

Ah, so now if Bomderling appears too knowledgeable for a noob we'll all understand why, right, phantlob?:p

EDIT:X'd with phantom.

[the phantom]

He already is too smart for a Noob, Shewen (not accusing you, just using Fea's delightful names). I was just sort of wanting an excuse to sing my praises. :p

(I finished with my finals today, you see, and I did great on them and I'm feeling super super happy to be done and pleased with myself in general. Then in comes Bom and.... like gasoline on a flame.)

[the phantom]

Side note- Ever since I posted that list of threads I've been waiting for Shasta to run in and say, "That does it!!" and declare me evil on grounds that I'm annoying. :D

He must be busy tonight.

[the phantom]

Bleh. I need sleep. I'll be around the final five hours or so. *waves*

[Loslote]

So I watched Batman tonight. You know, the one with the plant lady? Yeah. And the last scene, where they're running all sillouette-y with their capes fluttering? Best scene of the movie. :p

So what that basically boils down to is, I wish wish wish that I could call tp evil, but...:rolleyes:

Now: I've never played with Lhuna before, so I don't know if it's normal for her, but her most recent post especially reads kind of forcedly to me. Not sure what that's about, but I'll wait for people who know her playing style better to start talking about her.

[Nerwen]

Side note- Ever since I posted that list of threads I've been waiting for Shasta to run in and say, "That does it!!" and declare me evil on grounds that I'm annoying. :D

He must be busy tonight.
Well, my pearl is generally right about these things... so is this a confession?

Besides, why in Middle-earth isn't Under the Misty Mountains (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showthread.php?t=16850) on that list?

On a more serious note: what's all this about?
And Nog is here. I don't know if he's still good today, but he was good yesterday (aka not Shelob).

EDIT:X'd with phantom and Lottie.

[Lhunardawen]

You are correct. My entire approach to you was entirely shaped by that first post. Yes, Shena, that was what did it.
May I at least know why? Or, more appropriately, how?

(Again, I'm not doing it today because the Shelob gift would just shift people and then I'd be at square one again.)
I was under the impression that the shifting happens only when Shelob is lynched without a definite spawn. But now she does.

But until then we can be friends. So, first question- who would you have cured yesterday/night?
Could ex-fiancees in the distant past ever be friends? :p I'm not entirely sure your question would be as helpful as you think it would be (but then I could never hope to think like you, my brain would probably explode), but for the sake of discussion...

Hmm. Not me, because I know what I am. Also because you hinted at Samming me yesterDay, and as much as possible I wouldn't want you to direct my actions.

So. I think I'll pass. Maybe for now, maybe not.

Second question- what is your estimate on how many episodes before Castle and Kate get together?
Now this one's more tricky. I predict the season finale will drive a wedge between them, but not for long. I'd say within the first half of the next season.


x'd with the phantom, Loslote, and Nerwen

[Lhunardawen]

Not me, because I know what I am.
If I may add, I also know what I am not. In case that sentence standing alone gives you ideas.

I am a bit wary of the phantom declaring wilwa and Lottie innocent, I can't put it past you to hide behind that. Also there's not much to suspect concretely at this point because it's been relatively quiet (albeit slightly chatty :p) in this darkness.

[Boromir88]

IMPORTANT NOTE: This post is especially for Bom. If you are not Bom, read at your own risk. If you particularly dislike me or are feeling hostile towards me at the moment, definitely don't read this post, as it will result in uncontrollable fist-shaking, temporary gagging, and spasms of eye-rolling.

Well, you'll notice that all of my masterpieces have been when we are on the same side working a tremendous duo of smiting. Whilst all my failures typically happen when we are opposed and I try secret plots to undo all your brilliant scheming.

I feel safe to say, I think I see what you're up to now and I'm on board. I will also point you to my posts, where I'm sure you can deduce what I have been doing....obviously. I live dangerously, you know this... :p

If I was Sam, and I wanted to use my one cure chance, it would have been Lhuna last night. I may not have spent it so early considering the odds. However, if the ones I trusted more were leaving Lhuna to cure in my hands, I would have done it.

[Nogrod]

Okay. I'm not sure whether this "who would you have protected were you Sam" -thing is a good idea or not. If everyone says they would have protected Lhuna (well, she was the only person based on yesterDay one could have a reason to try and heal, others I think would have been more or less shots in the dark) and Sam goes along saying the same truthfully, then we know that Lhuna is innocent toDay whether stinged on N1 or not. That would be good.

But the downside is that if Sam didn't try to heal Lhuna last Night for whichever reason he had he's now in trouble. Saying he tried to heal Lhuna gives us a possibly misleading confidence that Lhuna is a "known innocent", but giving another name would make him stand out from the others in a way Sam wouldn't probably like to.

If I was Sam, and I wanted to use my one cure chance, it would have been Lhuna last night. I may not have spent it so early considering the odds.I think we read the rules differently here. I think Sam has a right to try to heal someone every D/N -cycle + he acts as a ranger during the Night. Here is the rule:
He can save people from being stung by Shelob in the Night, but if he does not succeed, his obligation to them is not finished. He may still save the person who was bitten, and has one chance to do so within the Day/Night following a victim’s attack. He may use this one chance at any time between the Dawn following an attack and the Dawn at which a victim would turn into one of Shelob’s children. This second chance to save someone will be in addition to regular Nightly save until such time as it would be too easy for him to prevent Shelob’s attacks entirely (which I will be happy to discuss with the village).
So, Sam does two things, plays the ranger and the healer, both of them unlimited times but only once in a D/N cycle. Is this correct, Sally?

On another thought. There was one "prime time" discussion set while I slept and what you guys managed to do was one page of banter and tp beating Zaphord Beeblebrox characterwise. ;)

Sadly I'm not able to hang around right now, but I will be back later and will try to do something better than this.

(There is an ice hockey world championships match between Finland and Slovakia beginning three hours from the DL, but I'm not that enthusiast ice hockey fan I'd need to concentrate on it the whole game, but it will certainly distract me for a while... :))

[Nerwen]

Okay. I'm not sure whether this "who would you have protected were you Sam" -thing is a good idea or not. If everyone says they would have protected Lhuna (well, she was the only person based on yesterDay one could have a reason to try and heal, others I think would have been more or less shots in the dark) and Sam goes along saying the same truthfully, then we know that Lhuna is innocent toDay whether stinged on N1 or not. That would be good.

It's not "who would you have protected?", it's "who would you have healed? ("Who would you have protected?" really would be a Sam-trap!) And it couldn't actually make Lhuna a known innocent, just a known not-stung– disproving phantom's theory that her first post was a cry for help. (Which I don't see much in, anyway.)

[Nerwen]

I am going to have to vote soon, anyway.

[Lhunardawen]

If everyone says they would have protected Lhuna (well, she was the only person based on yesterDay one could have a reason to try and heal, others I think would have been more or less shots in the dark)
This caught my eye and made me think.

In the first place, whose idea was it yesterDay that Lhuna might need Sam's help?

And who's attempting to tap into Sam's mind toDay by trying to get everyone to think like a Sam?

No, phantom, I'm not saying you're manipulative. I'm really not sure how to describe you at this point.

[Inziladun]

I am here. Alas, my velcro shoes came off and I floated off into space for a bit, but all is well now.

Ah, good to hear. Just watch out for the koalas. I hear they have five-inch teeth and acid for blood.

Anyway, yeah, given that phantom had impressed me so much previously, I went straight to following him around. I just hope I don't turn out to be blindly following a phantlob.

That's why you've got to watch the tricksy phantom. He's always got some plot going, and the ends of those plots are not always clear.

Zil: It's been a while since I've played with him, but something strikes me as off...not sure yet, but he tops my list.

I'm quite 'off', but no more than usual. ;)

tp: The way he labelled Wilwa and I innocent yesterDay made me think that he could be Shetom, preparing excuses for links between him and future Spiderlings, but I think he'd choose different people if that were the case. Since he's tp, unexplained assertions really wouldn't go questioned, no matter who he chose to unexplainedly assert things about.

And that's how he does it; things others would be suspected for are written off as just phantom being phantom.

Fea and BomTom strike me as innocent. And fun. But for the purposes of this post, primarily innocent. ;)

I don't see what makes either of them particularly innocent. I haven't seen much of Fea. And I can't go along with what Nog said about her subbing for the mysterious Laura being a sign of her likely innocence. That shouldn't be a factor.

Lottie is coming across as rather quiet and careful. And no songs, still! Worrisome.

Side note- Ever since I posted that list of threads I've been waiting for Shasta to run in and say, "That does it!!" and declare me evil on grounds that I'm annoying.

Where is Shasta? Busy innocent or sinister spider?

Okay. I'm not sure whether this "who would you have protected were you Sam" -thing is a good idea or not. If everyone says they would have protected Lhuna (well, she was the only person based on yesterDay one could have a reason to try and heal, others I think would have been more or less shots in the dark) and Sam goes along saying the same truthfully, then we know that Lhuna is innocent toDay whether stinged on N1 or not. That would be good.

I still question the value, because there's no way of knowing if people are being truthful.

x/d with two Nerwens and a Lhuna

[wilwarin538]

Okay. I'm not sure whether this "who would you have protected were you Sam" -thing is a good idea or not. If everyone says they would have protected Lhuna (well, she was the only person based on yesterDay one could have a reason to try and heal, others I think would have been more or less shots in the dark) and Sam goes along saying the same truthfully, then we know that Lhuna is innocent toDay whether stinged on N1 or not. That would be good.

But the downside is that if Sam didn't try to heal Lhuna last Night for whichever reason he had he's now in trouble. Saying he tried to heal Lhuna gives us a possibly misleading confidence that Lhuna is a "known innocent", but giving another name would make him stand out from the others in a way Sam wouldn't probably like to.


There's another possibility. Maybe Sam did choose Lhuna, but Lhuna wasn't the target; Sam was. In that case knowing Same chose Lhuna would really not mean much at all, Lhuna could have still been the one stung the day before, or she could be Shelob. If I was Sam I probably would have chosen Lhuna, because a lot of people seemed to think that was a good idea, and I think a lot of people will say they would have chosen Lhuna if they were Sam (which makes me think Shelob did not sting Lhuna, knowing Sam had probably chosen her; therefore Shelob's target was likely Sam himself). So if Sam was the target, then knowing who his choice was isn't really important. That's why to me the whole exercise doesn't seem overly productive.

We have to consider the distinct possibility that Sam was the target (I feel like this is the likely situation), which means Shelob knows who he is and super wants him dead. (and her spawn also wants him dead) So we just need to keep an eye out for two people who seem to really want a certain person dead, with maybe weak reasons for it, and they could be guilty. Also, if we do end up accidently lynching Sam, then we could just look into who seemed to really want that person dead.

I think it could end up being a positive thing if Shelob is aware of Sam's identity this early. She can't kill him at Night, being lynched is the only threat to him, so in order to get him killed Shelob and her spawn need to really push a case against Sam, and if they succeed then a lot of attention could be brought to them the next Day, so it's super risky for them.

[Nerwen]

Ah, good to hear. Just watch out for the koalas. I hear they have five-inch teeth and acid for blood.
Yes, but they mostly keep to the trees. It's the man-eating kangaroos that are the real hazard.:eek:

Originally Posted by Loslote
Fea and BomTom strike me as innocent. And fun. But for the purposes of this post, primarily innocent.
I don't see what makes either of them particularly innocent. I haven't seen much of Fea. And I can't go along with what Nog said about her subbing for the mysterious Laura being a sign of her likely innocence. That shouldn't be a factor.

Yes– what is with people in this game just declaring other people to be innocent? They can't be preparing for reveals (false or otherwise), and it doesn't really make sense as hinting either, so what is it?

There's another possibility. Maybe Sam did choose Lhuna, but Lhuna wasn't the target; Sam was. In that case knowing Same chose Lhuna would really not mean much at all, Lhuna could have still been the one stung the day before, or she could be Shelob.

If I was Sam I probably would have chosen Lhuna, because a lot of people seemed to think that was a good idea, and I think a lot of people will say they would have chosen Lhuna if they were Sam (which makes me think Shelob did not sting Lhuna, knowing Sam had probably chosen her; therefore Shelob's target was likely Sam himself). So if Sam was the target, then knowing who his chose was isn't really important. That's why to me the whole exercise doesn't seem overly productive.


As I understand it, Sam has had a shot at both healing someone and at protecting someone– not necessarily the same person– in fact probably not. (If I'm wrong about this, could our moddess please clarify?) We know the protection was successful, unless as you say the target was Sam himself. I've been assuming the cure was unsuccessful, or Sally would have said something about it. Though now I think about it, she didn't say, "the stung has been turned", either.

Anyway, I wouldn't be so sure Sam followed phantom's orders. For all you know he might have found the way he was pushing for Lhuna alarming.

[Lhunardawen]

It just occurred to me - sally said "Shelob was not able to sting anyone last Night." What if it means just that, Shelob missed the DL and was indeed not able to sting? Do we get to be told details like this, Moddess, or are we left to speculate how it is that there is no new Been-Stung?

[Nerwen]

Okay, really got to vote, and I haven't come up with anything better, so–

++the phantom++

Simply because he's the person most clearly up to something. Of course he always is, and maybe I'm being really unfair, and it's all some brilliant scheme to save the village. About half the village seems to be part of it anyway.:rolleyes: However it seems to me that, though the Lhuna scheme did make some sense, having everyone discuss Sam so much was rather in the villains' interests. The Glirdywaggon was a shady-looking vehicle, too.

Well, that's the best I can come up with right now.

Good luck.

EDIT:X'd Lhunatic.

[Nerwen]

It just occurred to me - sally said "Shelob was not able to sting anyone last Night." What if it means just that, Shelob missed the DL and was indeed not able to sting? Do we get to be told details like this, Moddess, or are we left to speculate how it is that there is no new Been-Stung?
That didn't occur to me– but anyway, the way Sally worded it, I think she's being as ambiguous as possible. But maybe she'll surprise us.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

That does it. Phantom is obviously evil on the grounds that he's being annoying.

Now that that I'd out of the way... I'm still uncomfortable with Nog from yesterday, but I'd like to put Boro and His Egotisticalness on notice - these veiled hints and other shenanigans aren't going to fly this game. Right now, when we only have one spiderling to worry about, is fine. Once there are two, though, remember that they aren't allowed to communicate except through Shelob, and they don't want to kill each other off (obviously), leaving the thread their only means of finding each other at all. Shenanigans only benefit the spiderlings, in my opinion, since there aren't really nightkills to speak of. So if you're lings, you'll use them to communicate right under our noses, and if you're not then the real lings will be using your antics as cover to communicate. Either way it's bad, right? :)

[Boromir88]

I think we read the rules differently here. I think Sam has a right to try to heal someone every D/N -cycle + he acts as a ranger during the Night. Here is the rule:
So, Sam does two things, plays the ranger and the healer, both of them unlimited times but only once in a D/N cycle. Is this correct, Sally?


Clarification would be appreciated here, because I read the "one chance" to heal the suspected bitten person, as only a one time change. And then Sam each night, is like a standard ranger with protecting someone.

However, the "second chance" is a bit confusing and definitely changes things, if your interpretation is correct, Nog, then I would say Sam did not cure Lhuna and chose to protect someone. Either that, Sam did choose to cure Lhuna and Shelob tried to sting Sam. *sigh* Nerwen's right, our dear moddess is being dubiously ambiguous.

[the phantom]

All right. Even though not everyone has spoken, enough people have spoken to strengthen my resolve on a few ideas I had, and that will have to be enough for today.

1) I believe Shelob has a spiderling now
2) I believe Shelob attacked Sam
3) Possible Shelobs are Lhuna, Nog, Shasta, Inzil
5) Possible Spiderlings are Boro, Fea, Nerwen

If my hunches are correct, Phantom, Wilwa, Lottie, and Bom would be our worst choices for a lynch.

Fea, Nerwen, and Inzil aren't particularly great choices either, as they have been included more on the grounds that I felt I could not rule them out.

Shasta and Nog I was hoping to see more from in hopes that I could remove them from the list, but they haven't had opportunity to post much. So the jury is still out on them until such time as I get to talk with them a bit today.

Lhuna is, to my mind, playing oddly (not how I remember her in times past). I don't believe her to be a Spiderling, but she could well be a Shelob knowing that if she dies her gift would transfer anyway. I'm still tempted to lynch her on Day 3.

Now Boro could very well be our not-so-friendly neighborhood Spiderman (Spiderling). You'll see that yesterday I pointed out that his opening post indicated he was potentially sick (had been stung), and if Sam did indeed attempt to cure Lhuna but Boro was the bite victim, he is now a fully fledged Spiderling and has switched sides on us.

Also, to address the possibility that Sam was attacked and thus Shelob knows who Sam is.... Rather than attack Sam immediately, Shelob could very well opt to spend the first day attempting to off anyone that looks likely to support Sam (try to lynch a supporter and then try and sting a supporter) and then go after Sam, but in a way that gets her hands less dirty (e.g. send orders to her Spiderling to try and get a certain individual lynched). We ought to keep an eye out for that as well.

[Boromir88]

Now that that I'd out of the way... I'm still uncomfortable with Nog from yesterday, but I'd like to put Boro and His Egotisticalness on notice - these veiled hints and other shenanigans aren't going to fly this game.

Glad to hear it and glad to see you're the one who will do it. I don't see everyone's paranoia with the phantom. I mean yeah it's easy to hate the ego, but not all plots are devised by evil. Heard of that Elrond and Gandalf guy sending Mr. Frodo to sneak into Mordor? I was nodding to the fact that I see what he's trying to do by vehemently declaring Wilwa and Lottie innocent and that I shall let him go about his business, unopposed, because I feel safe to say we want the same thing.

So, yeah, I think you're wrong about tp, but I was extremely close to following your vote against Nog. I wish you didn't make your case that close to the DL, I had not enough time to think and make such snap vote when I was trying to see what tp wanted to do with Lhuna.

[Nogrod]

It's not "who would you have protected?", it's "who would you have healed?Heh. One of the main points of my post was to remind everyone of the double role Sam has as both a ranger and a healer, and then I myself use the term "protecting" when I mean "trying to heal someone"... And all that arose from the fact that reading the thread seemed like people were confusing the two roles - and then I do it myself. :(

But I hope we're all on the same page now with Sam. He's our double-ability precious whom the enemy wants... to lynch! Like wilwa said, Sam can not be turned into a spiderling and thus Shelob needs to get her lynched. So let's not lynch him, or at least be ready to read closely who got him lynhced if that is done. *curses the "no-reveal"-rules*

Anyway. Unless something quite remarkable emerges, I take the preliminary results of phantom's gallup as an indicator that whoever Sam is, he has most probably tried to heal Lhuna aka. we most probably should not lynch her.

So what is our next step then? With three hours to go, maybe we should start trying to find candidates for lynching? I see why some people have been making more or less direct claims against tp but I tend to disagree at this point. Even if he is an arrogant egoist (to put it mildly! :D), he seems to be doing good work in this anemic village where more or less everyone seems to hunker down. With one stinging failed by Shelob I think we should see whether his ideas prove benefical in the future as we have at least one more Day to play before Shelob gets her troops together in a mass needed to win.

To think then... (and to watch some ice hockey ;))

[the phantom]

*frowns* I'm really having some trouble with Boro here. On Day 1 his first post reads-
But, but, I've only just caught a bad case :(
Which, as much as anyone else, would invite the attention of Sam's cure, if it weren't for the fact that in the following post he seems not to know if Shelob has a Spiderling or a sting victim. If Boro was indeed the Been-Stung, he did us quite a disservice, throwing Sam off the trail like that. But if he wasn't the Been-Stung, why say that initial bit in the first place?

And then he leads off today hinting either- 1) "I was cured", 2) "I'm the Doctor", or 3) "I survived Shelob's attack" (i.e. "Sam protected me" or "I'm Sam").
First things first...well two things actually.

Legs! Good. Arms! Nice. Hands! With lots of fingers. How many? Oh great there's ten. Ears! Even better. Nose! Woot, I'm fine.
I'm going to dismiss option three immediately, leaving 1 and 2. But wouldn't option 1 have been given in the narrative? Not to mention it would be darn unlikely given the likely Sam cure choices. So that leaves option 2.

But I'm debating whether or not a Doctor would hint much anyway. His "powers" aren't useful except for his own reasoning, and in the event that he knows something others don't seem to realize. But hint too much too early and you run the risk of being converted to Shelob's side. I'm not sure I buy it, unless Shelob happened to be lucky enough to select the Doctor for her Night 1 sting. (I'm assuming she was allowed to select Night 1, or was her Been-Stung just handed to her?)

[Boromir88]

But I hope we're all on the same page now with Sam. He's our double-ability precious whom the enemy wants... to lynch! Like wilwa said, Sam can not be turned into a spiderling and thus Shelob needs to get her lynched. So let's not lynch him, or at least be ready to read closely who got him lynhced if that is done. *curses the "no-reveal"-rules*

All the more reason for Sam and the Doctor to leave crystal clear clues and trails. I've made sure, on my end of things, you won't have to worry. Now it's just a question of whether Shelob will bite or not. I've missed being risky where I'm at my best.

[Bom Tombadillo]

I won't be posting much today, since I will be out and about constantly until DL (I am posting from my IPad at present). Here is my suspicious list:

Phantom and Wilwa for Glirdy-wagon suspiciousness, plus Lottie by association. Phantom has shown some good reasoning so far however, aside from his declarations about Wilwottie, so if anybody is to be lynched for the Wagon, it should be

Nog and Boro, as I've previously stated. Still, I haven't noted a third supporting them just yet, which there should be if they are the original duo.

Lhuna is also interesting, as I don't recall her giving any opposition to Phantom's position about her on D1 (although I may prove myself wrong on this when I can check properly), but now she suddenly opposes the notion.

I think that's it for now, but I will return to post when I can.

[the phantom]

Of course Boro could totally be Shelob too, as it would be entirely worth it to fake needing a cure on Day 1 to ensure that his Been-Stung survived to be a Spiderling, and that would also make his next post make sense, pretending as if he didn't know if Shelob was granted a Spiderling or a Been-Stung. He was trying to kill two birds with one stone and hope that people didn't notice the two contradicted?

[Loslote]

That's why you've got to watch the tricksy phantom. He's always got some plot going, and the ends of those plots are not always clear.

. . .

And that's how he does it; things others would be suspected for are written off as just phantom being phantom.

That's the thing...my post didn't say that. It said that, if he were Shetom, I think he'd have declared different people innocent. I think he'd have declared people he wanted as future Spiderlings innocent so that no one would question his trust in them. Declaring me innocent wouldn't make sense to a Shetom, because he knows that, judging by past performences, I'm not at all the best person to have in a pack. So I think that his choice in who he declared innocent indicates that this isn't a Shetom plot, but rather an innocent tp's plot.

I don't see what makes either of them particularly innocent. I haven't seen much of Fea. And I can't go along with what Nog said about her subbing for the mysterious Laura being a sign of her likely innocence. That shouldn't be a factor.

They struck me as innocent-er than everyone else. I'm not saying they're definitely innocent. I'm simply saying that, for toDay, I'm going to trust them more than the rest of you, whose innocence I haven't gotten an idea of yet. I start over on my lists every Day, in case of possible Stings, and I haven't even mentioned the Laura thing, so I don't know why you brought that up.

Lottie is coming across as rather quiet and careful. And no songs, still! Worrisome.

And, of course, accusing you. Which has been rather successful in the past, so yeah. I really want to lynch Zil toDay.

EDIT: xed with BomTom and TP

[Loslote]

plus Lottie by association.

Wait a minute...association with what? :confused:

Lhuna is also interesting, as I don't recall her giving any opposition to Phantom's position about her on D1 (although I may prove myself wrong on this when I can check properly), but now she suddenly opposes the notion.

That acutally is a good point. I think Lhuna makes much more sense as a Spiderling than Shena. I wouldn't mind seeing her lynched toDay, either (though Zil is still my favorite candidate. ;)).

[satansaloser2005]

That acutally is a good point. I think Lhuna makes much more sense as a Spiderling than Shena

....Arachnid Princess? :smokin:




Shelob DID make a choice last Night. If she ever doesn't....well, I wouldn't tell you anyway, because that would be nice. ;)


Sam tries to prevent stings in the Night and then, if he was unsuccessful, he has an opportunity to heal them during the next Day. He has two opportunities per victim.

For instance....

Rikae was stung last Night. Pitch (Sam) did not pick her as a protection. During the Day, he heals Lommie, who was never stung. During the Night, he tries to protect Rikae, but she's already been stung, and has no chance of her condition being reversed because Pitch missed his two chances to keep her from being a spawn.



Also, I have to leave in about half an hour to go to a graduation. I'd love for someone to give me a completed vote tally at DL, and I'll trust you all to stop talking at that time. Excellent!

~~Sally~~

[Inziladun]

Okay, really got to vote, and I haven't come up with anything better, so–

++the phantom++

Simply because he's the person most clearly up to something. Of course he always is, and maybe I'm being really unfair, and it's all some brilliant scheme to save the village. About half the village seems to be part of it anyway.:rolleyes: However it seems to me that, though the Lhuna scheme did make some sense, having everyone discuss Sam so much was rather in the villains' interests. The Glirdywaggon was a shady-looking vehicle, too.

Well, that's the best I can come up with right now.

Hm. Tempting as it might be at times to vote tp due of an inability to work out what he's up to, I don't think he's my choice toDay.

I was nodding to the fact that I see what he's trying to do by vehemently declaring Wilwa and Lottie innocent and that I shall let him go about his business, unopposed, because I feel safe to say we want the same thing.

Glad someone feels safe. :rolleyes:

That's the thing...my post didn't say that. It said that, if he were Shetom, I think he'd have declared different people innocent. I think he'd have declared people he wanted as future Spiderlings innocent so that no one would question his trust in them. Declaring me innocent wouldn't make sense to a Shetom, because he knows that, judging by past performences, I'm not at all the best person to have in a pack. So I think that his choice in who he declared innocent indicates that this isn't a Shetom plot, but rather an innocent tp's plot.

That seems rather convoluted, lass. Though tp may not be Shelob, I don't think your reason for thinking so is sound. He wouldn't key in on you because you're not successful as a villain?

They struck me as innocent-er than everyone else. I'm not saying they're definitely innocent. I'm simply saying that, for toDay, I'm going to trust them more than the rest of you, whose innocence I haven't gotten an idea of yet. I start over on my lists every Day, in case of possible Stings, and I haven't even mentioned the Laura thing, so I don't know why you brought that up.

No, you didn't say that about Laura, Nog did, a fact that I merely threw in to note my own opinion.

And, of course, accusing you. Which has been rather successful in the past, so yeah. I really want to lynch Zil toDay.

Saying I seemed "off" is accusing me? Nah. You didn't ramp that up until I poked at you a bit. ;)

x/d with the Moddess

[Loslote]

That seems rather convoluted, lass. Though tp may not be Shelob, I don't think your reason for thinking so is sound. He wouldn't key in on you because you're not successful as a villain?

My thinking in being worried about the Declarations was that he might be trying to line up easy Stings - people who he already had a reason for defending and such. An evil tp wouldn't have keyed in on me as a future Spiderling, not when there are other people here who have been incredible wolves before. But an innocent tp has a reason to declare me innocent - he thinks I am.

Saying I seemed "off" is accusing me? Nah. You didn't ramp that up until I poked at you a bit. ;)

Of course not. You hadn't posted enough for me to make a definitive accusation yet. I've seen enough now to feel very comfortable pointing at you and dancing around while screaming "Spider, Spider, Spider". And I'm not the one who starting accusing someone when they started poking at them. ;)

[Boromir88]

My thinking in being worried about the Declarations was that he might be trying to line up easy Stings - people who he already had a reason for defending and such. An evil tp wouldn't have keyed in on me as a future Spiderling, not when there are other people here who have been incredible wolves before. But an innocent tp has a reason to declare me innocent - he thinks I am.

Or, as I suspect, he was trying to goad Shelob into choosing certain people to sting, thus making Sam's and the Doctor's tasks a bit easier. Now if one of you is Shelob, then he's making a big mistake.


And I'm not the one who starting accusing someone when they started poking at them. ;)

Come on Lottie, you know as well as I do that is not solid reasoning. Particularly since there is no seer to worry about, and the Doctor poses no threat to Shelob.

[the phantom]

I'm interested to know what everyone thinks of this (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=654191&postcount=195) post here, as well as this (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=654194&postcount=198) and this (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=654197&postcount=201) which discuss Boro.

In particular- Wilwa & Lottie as I trust them most, Nog & Shasta because I really am anxious to get a feel for them one way or another, and of course Boro as the posts say quite a bit about him.

EDIT: x-post Boro

[Loslote]

Come on Lottie, you know as well as I do that is not solid reasoning. Particularly since there is no seer to worry about, and the Doctor poses no threat to Shelob.

It's never been solid reasoning with Zil. His posts read differently when he's evil. He takes on a different tone. Solid reasoning generally pops up later, but I always spot evil Zil because of his tone. And just because I'm no Seer doesn't mean an evil Zil can't get jumpy.

Edit: xed with tp

[Nogrod]

I do agree with Lottie that Shelob would like to pick people with "staying power" aka those who tend to stay alive a long time. And Lottie sure isn't one of those people... She could be Shelob, of course, but I wouldn't bet on that for now.

And yes, I said Fea most probably is not Shelob with all that hassle about who is Laura1234567 (whatever).

Interesting "clarification" by Sally: I'm not dure if she made it clearer... I thought I understood the rule but I'm not so sure anymore... Why do you talk of "two per victim"? Does it mean that Sam has two tries per individual persons on the level of the whole game? Like Pitch tried to ranger Rikae on N2 and tried to heal her on d3 so after that no more tries on Rikae?

I think it is not that way. It must be the straightforward way: Sam rangers everyNight + can heal someone during the "incubation period" of every Night's stinging (aka the next Day or Night - as the person stinged turns into a spiderling after a Day and a Night has passed).


Sorry about the inactivity, but the ice hockey game is actully pretty interesting (Finland is down 0-1 - and itäs about who goes forwards)

[the phantom]

My thinking in being worried about the Declarations was that he might be trying to line up easy Stings - people who he already had a reason for defending and such. An evil tp wouldn't have keyed in on me as a future Spiderling, not when there are other people here who have been incredible wolves before. But an innocent tp has a reason to declare me innocent - he thinks I am.
Or, as I suspect, he (Phantom) was trying to goad Shelob into choosing certain people to sting, thus making Sam's and the Doctor's tasks a bit easier.
I'm not sure why you had to go and say it, but yes, since you said it- ding ding ding. Bingo.

(And btw, I'm 99% certain it worked.)

[Inziladun]

My thinking in being worried about the Declarations was that he might be trying to line up easy Stings - people who he already had a reason for defending and such. An evil tp wouldn't have keyed in on me as a future Spiderling, not when there are other people here who have been incredible wolves before. But an innocent tp has a reason to declare me innocent - he thinks I am.

You give yourself too little credit. Also, an evil tp might sting someone on the basis of that person being thought an unusual choice. It looked to me like you were reaching for something you could point to that would indicate you were innocent. Actual innocents don't normally feel the need to do that.

Of course not. You hadn't posted enough for me to make a definitive accusation yet. I've seen enough now to feel very comfortable pointing at you and dancing around while screaming "Spider, Spider, Spider". And I'm not the one who starting accusing someone when they started poking at them. ;)

"Haven't posted enough"? Give the pot my regards, Miss Kettle. :rolleyes:
And point away, if you like.

x/d with all since # 206

[Loslote]

You give yourself too little credit. Also, an evil tp might sting someone on the basis of that person being thought an unusual choice. It looked to me like you were reaching for something you could point to that would indicate you were innocent. Actual innocents don't normally feel the need to do that.

Proving my own innocence was never my intent. I said that tp thought I was innocent. tp could be dead wrong. He isn't, but my post was not trying to prove that bit. And as it happens, tp does seen to have had some sort of innocentish plot going. He could, of course, have that as a cover for a Shetomish plot, but I don't think that's very likely, because, as I've said, the Shetomish plot has holes in it.

"Haven't posted enough"? Give the pot my regards, Miss Kettle. :rolleyes:
And point away, if you like.

You hadn't posted enough for me to get a good grip on your evilness, Mr. Pot. You had posted enough for that by the time I actually accused you.

[Boromir88]

I'm not sure why you had to go and say it, but yes, since you said it- ding ding ding. Bingo.

(And btw, I'm 99% certain it worked.)

If you are that certain it worked than your theory of me being Shelob wouldn't hold water. You should know by now, I wouldn't follow what you say about anyone if I wasn't sure we were on the same side.

I guess it's possible that as a stung and changing spiderling, I wished to blow up that plan and report back to Shelob to ignore you. But that could be done in private. And again if you are certain it worked then me being a stung and now spiderling doesn't hold water again.

So what does hold water? Baths hold water. Washing machines too.

Wait, head went to steamy baths for a moment. Where was my train of thought? Ah, yes, that by me pointing this out at the time I did, and not doing any sort of rewind, I was sure it either worked, or by saying it now it does not spoil the plan from working if it hasn't already succeeded.

[Inziladun]

Ok, Lottie. I think you've at least dissuaded me from voting you toDay.

[wilwarin538]

Ok, so we know no one was stung last night, but the person who was bitten from the start, did they get saved by Sam or have they been completely turned, I'm still super confused about that. (Moddess?? have you already said something about this and I just missed it, or are you not going to tell us?) I know from the admin thread that the way it worked was that Shelob sent Cupcake a list of a few she would like on her side, and the Moddess picked one randomly, and that's who was bitten from the start, and who Sam had a chance to save yesterDay.

I'm inclined to trust phantom, not because he is so utterly convinced of my innocence, but because I understand what he was doing and I'm also 99% sure it was successful. And I'm mostly inclined to trust Boro, but I am still undecided because I don't think I have a complete grasp of what's going on right now (hence my question for the Cupcake up there ^).

I don't know how I feel about Lhuna, I'm sorta confused about what was going on yesterDay, why people wanted Sam to choose her, and now why people are sort of suspecting her. I don't totally get that. I feel pretty good about Lottie and Nog (though I seem to always trust them, so I don't want to put too much weight on that), and everyone else is a mystery to me. I'm not sure who I want to vote for yet.

I'll be back soon.

x'ed with Boro and Inzil

[Inziladun]

Ok, so we know no one was stung last night, but the person who was bitten from the start, did they get saved by Sam or have they been completely turned, I'm still super confused about that. (Moddess?? have you already said something about this and I just missed it, or are you not going to tell us?) I know from the admin thread that the way it worked was that Shelob sent Cupcake a list of a few she would like on her side, and the Moddess picked one randomly, and that's who was bitten from the start, and who Sam had a chance to save yesterDay.

I don't think Our Moddess is coming back before DL.

If Sam had stopped the original spiderling from changing all the way, doesn't that mean someone else would have been stung last Night?

[Nogrod]

Boro? :confused:

You make me really nervous with your answer!

I thought your reaction to tp would have been, "yay, great, so we're on the same wavelength!" but you go on defending yourself against a non-existant "Boro is Shelob" -theory? Or did I miss something of importance?

[Loslote]

I'm pretty okay with Boro. I've got an idea about what he's doing, and I'm okay with it. (Also, this is the first time I've ever had a proper idea about what someone is doing, and it made me all excited when I got the brainflash.) So, yeah, rather opposed to lynching him right now.

Edit: xed with Noggins

[Boromir88]

Ok, so we know no one was stung last night, but the person who was bitten from the start, did they get saved by Sam or have they been completely turned, I'm still super confused about that. (Moddess?? have you already said something about this and I just missed it, or are you not going to tell us?) I know from the admin thread that the way it worked was that Shelob sent Cupcake a list of a few she would like on her side, and the Moddess picked one randomly, and that's who was bitten from the start, and who Sam had a chance to save yesterDay.

That I doubt we will know as it would fall under Sam's and the absolute *no reveal* stuff. I would imagine Sam knows, and since Sam is not under any threat from Shelob, can be as aggressive as Sam desires in leaving the clear path to his actions (without directly saying "Hey I'm Sam and I cured this person!")

Boro? :confused:

You make me really nervous with your answer!

I thought your reaction to tp would have been, "yay, great, so we're on the same wavelength!" but you go on defending yourself against a non-existant "Boro is Shelob" -theory? Or did I miss something of importance?

Phantom's post at the top of page 6. It's not much, but then later he asks for others opinions on his theories about me being stung or Shelob.

[Nogrod]

wilwa: I don't think anyone wishes to lynch Lhuna toDay as we have more or less good ideas that Sam probably would have tried to heal her last Night - thus making her innocent toDay even if stinged.

[Lhunardawen]

I don't know how I feel about Lhuna, I'm sorta confused about what was going on yesterDay, why people wanted Sam to choose her, and now why people are sort of suspecting her. I don't totally get that.
I'm with you on that.

And for some reason I'm not making much sense out of toDay (combined with yesterDay) so I'll go with what little I understand. We're after only one person ultimately: Shelob. And I would like to think that at this point Shelob would prefer sitting pretty in the middle of her web, keeping herself as safe as possible while waiting for the numbers to fall on her side.

So.

Bom strikes me as the most careful player thus far, and he looks worse for giving the impression of following the phantom around blindly. But at the same time he mentioned him first in his suspicions list. What's up with that?

While at this point I doubt the phantom is Shelob, I am wary of those who trust him too much. I really don't understand why some of you think Lhuna was stung yesterDay and was probably healed by Sam last Night. And based on what I remember, Nogrod seems to be among those people.

The rest... I don't know yet. I'll be back, perhaps with my vote. I do need sleep, too.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Boro is probably evil.

Maybe I'll vote for him, just for fun.

[Nogrod]

Oh my, Boro. I could parrott Lottie in a way as having an idea on what you were doing overall.

But I refer to tp's latest

Or, as I suspect, he (Phantom) was trying to goad Shelob into choosing certain people to sting, thus making Sam's and the Doctor's tasks a bit easier.
I'm not sure why you had to go and say it, but yes, since you said it- ding ding ding. Bingo.

(And btw, I'm 99% certain it worked.) So you said tp was trying to suggest Shelob picking certain people making them know to all & thus making the jobs of Sam & the Doc easier. tp answers that Bingo, that's what I was doing... (only being slightly annoyed you said it out aloud)

And then your reaction is to start to defend ypourseöf against a theory of you being Shelob? I don't understand... and I thought I had an idea of you as an innocent doing a thing...

(Finland got 2-1 lead against the Slovakian surperstars... I might be watching something of the rest of the game :rolleyes:)

[Lhunardawen]

For now I feel comfortable about Zil.

I'm uneasy about Lottie but she won't be getting my vote toDay.

I want to figure out Boro so I won't vote for him, either.

wilwa seems to be playing safely. Not good.

[Boromir88]

Boro is probably evil.

Maybe I'll vote for him, just for fun.

Weak. We both know the only reason you are making that choise is because

You. Me. Handuffs. It always ends that way.

[Bom Tombadillo]

I'm confused . . . *sigh* Anyway, tp, wilwa, and Lottie are making me suspicious, as I said earlier, and my suspicions of usin' mah Noggin and Double-O-88 have decreased some; hearing little from Lhuna is also fascinating me, but for now I want to test my theory about the dynamic trio by voting

++Loslote

'cause wilwa hasn't done anything interesting yet and phanty is a valuable asset if innocent.

EDIT: Irony-ninja'd by the very person I commented on not being active toDay (and Boro. James Boro.)

[the phantom]

All right, so, information important to which way I will be inclined to vote today.

In looking back I think I should've placed Bom on the potential Shelob list, but I consider him one of the least likely of the ones I can't rule out yet. So yeah, not voting for him.

And as you know not voting for Phantom, Wilwa, or Lottie.

Nog and Shasta- they haven't done anything to make me want to vote for them, so they're unlikely at this stage.

Fea is not Shelob, and is almost certainly not a Spiderling (but techinically can't cross her off yet). I'm not voting for her.

Nerwen is a possible compromise for me, primarily because I can't rule her out and she voted for me. Not strong reasoning at all, but there it is. I'd vote for her to save someone I like, but I wouldn't form a bandwagon against her.

Lhuna cannot be a Spiderling, but may be Shelob, and I'd really like to do my thorough cross-examination of her tomorrow, so I'd prefer to give her a pass for one more day. Like I said before, I'd rather take out Shelob Day 3 than Day 2.

Boro is looking... bleh... by simple elimination he appears to be the best candidate, as well as the possible suspicious behaviors I pointed to.

[the phantom]

What? Why the Lottie vote? Given the dynamics I created and the failure to sting last night she's about the least likely evil-doer here.

Evidently you didn't read enough of those threads to have a Phantogasm, Bom.

[Nogrod]

Let's make it better toDay than yesterDay and make our ideas known before the last minutes.

Everyone coming in at this hour and only saying I'll vote for X should be really looked after with a magnifying-glass toMorrow.

I think Lhuna is innocent toDay.

I think Lottie would have been a too risky choice from Shelob.

I think tp has a good thing going.

I'm torn with Boro as I thought he had a good thing going on but am not so sure any more. It would help me to decide if you Boro told us why you reacted to that last post of tp in that defencive way as it should have been an offering of a hand to you?


Last minutes of the ice hockey game going on... Finland still leads... back soon.

[Lhunardawen]

Lhuna cannot be a Spiderling, but may be Shelob, and I'd really like to do my thorough cross-examination of her tomorrow, so I'd prefer to give her a pass for one more day.Can't wait.


++Bom Tombadillo

Still my best Shelob guess at this point.

[Loslote]

++Zil

I don't want to cut it too close, and he's the one person whose guilt I'm closest to being sure of.

[Boromir88]

I'm torn with Boro as I thought he had a good thing going on but am not so sure any more. It would help me to decide if you Boro told us why you reacted to that last post of tp in that defencive way as it should have been an offering of a hand to you?

Fairy nuff. Phantom gets frustrated when his plots are suddenly revealed and usually believes anyone who tries to foil them by making them known has to be evil. I took the "I'm not sure why you had to say it" as a suspicion, or in the very least a sarcastically frustrated tp, not a helping hand.

Still. If he gets me lynched simply because of a process of elimination, when he's continuing to dangle the more suspicious Lhuna out, that will lie on him.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

++the phantom

Love you tons, sweetums.

[Nogrod]

Finland won and went to the play-offs...

And a slight comment on my last one. I think Lhuna and Lottie are not spiderlings.

And I would add that I think Fea is not Shelob (as said before).


So who then?

[the phantom]

Psh.... Fea just swooped in and stated Boro was probably evil and expressed an interest in voting for him, but then voted for me despite promising earlier today that she wouldn't.

Only problem is, it actually weakens my Boro argument slightly, as when she made her second to last post I was wondering if perhaps she was the Healer and was hinting she had examined Boro and discovered he had been stung.

But now that it appears that it wasn't the case (obviously, otherwise she would've voted him), I see nothing wrong with voting for her instead on grounds that she's given us almost nothing to this point other than randomness. So add her to my list of compromise candidates.

[the phantom]

Btw, if anyone else votes for me, you had better be Shelob or Spiderling- otherwise there is no excuse.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

then voted for me despite promising earlier today that she wouldn't.

I lied.

[Boromir88]

And a slight comment on my last one. I think Lhuna and Lottie are not spiderlings.


I agree with you about Lottie. Not Lhuna though, so if having to decide between them I'd vote Lhuna.

This would leave Inzil and Bom as other possiblities it seems. After the vote I need more time on Bom. So, I'd prefer Inzil there, but still not willing to pass off on Lhuna and make another shot in the dark...

++Lhuna

[Bom Tombadillo]

I haven't had a chance to read any of them yet, tp.

Lhuna - as I have said, when I first came out of the gate I was sort of using the phantom as a crutch. I'm making an effort to stop that, both to save my neck (and his, to an extent; though he's made me suspicious, the very reason I'm voting Lottie and not him is because, as I've said, he could be a major asset if innocent.) and because of my suspicions of him.

[Boromir88]

And before I forget, one more thing.

Wilwa is also a beautiful woman, probably.

[Nogrod]

Nerwen-> tp
Bom -> Lottie
Lhuna -> Bom
Lottie -> Zil
Fea -> tp 2

So?

I might be inclined towards Bom as s7he has been mostly careful not to suspec t too many people or to be too open with her/his thoughts about people, but also on his (her) suspicions on me have been basically forged or untrue. That is more like a mark of a spiderling than of Shelob, but we'd do good to get rid of one spiderling as well.

Also I'm a bit weary about Shasta for the same reason (although I could think of him as Shelob as well), but as he has been soo quiet it's hard to say anything definitive about him. A question: who would like to be playing in a subdued mode as to make people make their decisions this way when they weigh a few candidates ("yeah, I don't really have such a feel on him as he has posted so little / left so little mark of him"). Perfect Shelobbery...

Humm...

[the phantom]

Nerwen ++ TP
Bom ++ Lottie
Lhuna ++ Bom
Lottie ++ Zil
Fea ++ TP (2)

Fea and Nerwen are possibilities so long as we have enough votes to clinch them. Inzil- meh. I don't have strong feelings on him, but I'm unlikely to go for him because I kind of need his help. Bom would be easier to take down, but not as satisfying to me personally (though he did ignore my orders not to vote Lottie).

I don't want Lottie dead, and I sure as heck don't want me dead.

As far as Boro- it may simply be too risky to try and lynch him, as that would push him to vote for me.

Can I just request, Boro, if you are innocent- you may wish to consider taking one for the team if it does happen to come down to you versus me. But with these remaining voters I'm guessing you'll end up getting a pass today.

EDIT: x-post with Boro's vote, scratch that last bit... updated tally->
Nerwen ++ TP
Bom ++ Lottie
Lhuna ++ Bom
Lottie ++ Zil
Fea ++ TP (2)
Boro ++ Lhuna

So that means, so far as I'm concerned, that Boro is back on the menu, Nog, Inzil, and others that are around.

[Inziladun]

Hmm. Let's see. Who do I not want to go for?

I guess tp gets a pass, though I still don't trust him totally.

Wilwa seems fairly sensible and innocent, though I tend to have hard time reading her.

Lottie, for now anyway.

I could possibly go for Boro again, since I'm not sure about Nog, and knowing something about Boro could help in that. Also, Boro himself is supported by Lottie, and I could possibly get a better idea about her too.

Then again, Bom's vote looked pretty easy, as Lottie isn't exactly at high risk for a lynch at the moment. He said in his vote-post that she, Wilwa, and tp were "making him suspicious". In the same post , he discounted Wilwa because she "hasn't done anything interesting yet". Yet, here (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=654196&postcount=200) he said Wilwa was suspicious because of her involvement in the Glirdy-wagon. No explanation from one to the other why Wilwa was no longer a consideration, and Lottie still was.

To think....

x/d with all since # 232

[wilwarin538]

If Sam had stopped the original spiderling from changing all the way, doesn't that mean someone else would have been stung last Night?

No. I don't think people are understanding how this worked.

Night 1 someone on a list of people (handed in by Shelob) was chosen to be stung.

Day 1 Sam had an oppurtunity to heal that person.

Night 2 if Sam had been unsuccessful that person would have turned completely, if he had been successful then that person would have been returned to being just an innocent. That Night Sam also got another choice to protect another person from being stung. He was either successful, or he was the one who was stung (I'm pretty sure it's the second one).

Since Sally hasn't said anything about a Spawn existing, I think Sam was successful in his choice on Day 1, and by the way Boro is talking I think he is that person. I know that if I was Sam, Boro would have been an option for me on who to try and heal Day 1, cause a lot of people probably would have put him on their list to be on their team if they were Shelob. So I think Sam healed him Day 1, and then Night 2 Shelob chose Sam and was unsuccessful, which would mean we still only have Shelob. But I'm not really sure about the whole Boro thing, since Sally hasn't really clarified whether Shelob has a spawn or not.

[Boromir88]

Can I just request, Boro, if you are innocent- you may wish to consider taking one for the team if it does happen to come down to you versus me. But with these remaining voters I'm guessing you'll end up getting a pass today.

Sure. I am afterall, an inconsequential nitwit.

[the phantom]

Sure. I am afterall, an inconsequential nitwit.
I don't think you are today, but you appeared to be saying that yesterday, hence my Spiderling belief. Don't blame me for you acting like you were stung.

[wilwarin538]

Wilwa is also a beautiful woman, probably.

Not probably. Definitely. ;)

I don't think phantom is a good choice everyone, but I'm not really sure who is. Gah, I hate last minute voting.

[Nogrod]

Boro. Have you lost your marbles for good?

If we should think someone is innocent that would be Lhuna as Sam most probably tried to heal her?

Also Bom's last was an odd one, like an insecure baddie trying to make a ast minute save which actually just makes her look worse - or is it just confusion?

[the phantom]

Okay people, we need to vote!

I wish to save myself, so I can't really vote right now until the rest of you do, so it's up to you to start the train.

I prefer Boro, but I'll pretty much hop onto any train I have to in order to save myself.