Who is your favorite "Bad Guy".

[Gandalfer]

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<FONT FACE="Verdana,Arial" SIZE=2>Choose your favorite villan....

<FONT FACE="Verdana,Arial" SIZE=2>Results (total votes = 146):<table bgcolor=#FFFFFF border=0 cellpadding=3 cellspacing=0 width="75%"> <tbody> <tr><td bgcolor="#000000" colspan=3 height=1></tr><TR BGCOLOR=#E0E0E0><TD NOWRAP> <FONT FACE="Verdana,Arial" SIZE=2>Melkor/Morgoth&nbsp</td> <td height><FONT FACE="Verdana,Arial" SIZE=2>32&nbsp;/&nbsp;21.9%&nbsp</td><td><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/images/bar.gif width=65 height=10 hspace=3>&nbsp;</td></tr> <tr><td bgcolor="#000000" colspan=3 height=1></tr><TR BGCOLOR=#E0E0E0><TD NOWRAP> <FONT FACE="Verdana,Arial" SIZE=2>Sauron&nbsp</td> <td height><FONT FACE="Verdana,Arial" SIZE=2>25&nbsp;/&nbsp;17.1%&nbsp</td><td><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/images/bar.gif width=51 height=10 hspace=3>&nbsp;</td></tr> <tr><td bgcolor="#000000" colspan=3 height=1></tr><TR BGCOLOR=#E0E0E0><TD NOWRAP> <FONT FACE="Verdana,Arial" SIZE=2>Saruman&nbsp</td> <td height><FONT FACE="Verdana,Arial" SIZE=2>18&nbsp;/&nbsp;12.3%&nbsp</td><td><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/images/bar.gif width=36 height=10 hspace=3>&nbsp;</td></tr> <tr><td bgcolor="#000000" colspan=3 height=1></tr><TR BGCOLOR=#E0E0E0><TD NOWRAP> <FONT FACE="Verdana,Arial" SIZE=2>Lord of the Nazgul&nbsp</td> <td height><FONT FACE="Verdana,Arial" SIZE=2>31&nbsp;/&nbsp;21.2%&nbsp</td><td><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/images/bar.gif width=63 height=10 hspace=3>&nbsp;</td></tr> <tr><td bgcolor="#000000" colspan=3 height=1></tr><TR BGCOLOR=#E0E0E0><TD NOWRAP> <FONT FACE="Verdana,Arial" SIZE=2>Gollum&nbsp</td> <td height><FONT FACE="Verdana,Arial" SIZE=2>40&nbsp;/&nbsp;27.4%&nbsp</td><td><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/images/bar.gif width=82 height=10 hspace=3>&nbsp;</td></tr> <tr><td bgcolor="#000000" colspan=3 height=1></tr></tbody> </table>

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Re: Who is your favorite &quot;Bad Guy&quot;.

Poor little Gollum...I felt so sorry for him. I think he had a good heart, way deep down.

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<img src="http://www.barrowdowns.com/images/posticons/onering.jpg" align=absmiddle> Re: Who is your favorite &quot;Bad Guy&quot;.

The baddest of the bad himself: Morgoth Bauglir!


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<img src="http://www.barrowdowns.com/images/posticons/onering.jpg" align=absmiddle> Re: Who is your favorite &quot;Bad Guy&quot;.

I like the Witch King, but I had to go with Morgoth. After all, he defied the best efforts of elves and men to defeat him. Only by direct &quot;divine&quot; intervention was he vanquished.


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[Orald]

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<img src="http://www.barrowdowns.com/images/posticons/onering.jpg" align=absmiddle> Re: Who is your favorite &quot;Bad Guy&quot;.

Well, i guess Gothmog isn't a choice, and neither are Gluarung or Smaug. Out of the ones listed, Sauron was pretty cool, he was just so damn persistant(you have to admire that), just kept reforming and coming back to terrorize. My favorites I think are Gluarung and Smaug. Gluarung helped make one of my favorite stories, and Smaug help start the books off.

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<img src="http://www.barrowdowns.com/images/posticons/onering.jpg" align=absmiddle> Re: Who is your favorite &quot;Bad Guy&quot;.

Of these I picked Sauron, though I've often said Glaurung was my favorite bad guy.

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<img src="http://www.barrowdowns.com/images/posticons/onering.jpg" align=absmiddle> Re: Who is your favorite &quot;Bad Guy&quot;.

What!?!?!? Not the Barrow Wight!?!? *shock* <img src=wink.gif ALT=";)">

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<img src="http://www.barrowdowns.com/images/posticons/onering.jpg" align=absmiddle> Re: Who is your favorite &quot;Bad Guy&quot;.

Though I've chosen the Barrow-Wight as a nick for here and at the web page, the wight was really just a subordinate of te Witch-king who in turn was a slave of Sauron!

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<img src="http://www.barrowdowns.com/images/posticons/onering.jpg" align=absmiddle> Re: Who is your favorite &quot;Bad Guy&quot;.

Gotta be Sauron. Ultimate evil.

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Hey!

Hey! Didn't I just do something like this? Well not just it was I little while ago and it wasn't a pole just a question but still! I'm just kidding you have every right to post what ever you like <img src=smile.gif ALT=":)">

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Re: Hey!

Sauron of Course, The Ring Lord....but in the Silmarillion I think he shows the true depth of his evil:

Sauron talking to Gorlim after capturing him:

&quot;Sauron said: 'I hear now that thou wouldst barter with me. What is thy price?' And Gorlim answered that he should find Eilinel again, and with her be set free; for he thought that Eilinel also had been made captive. Then Sauron smiled, saying: 'That is a small price for so great a treachery. So shall it surely be. Say on!' Now Gorlim would have drawn back, but daunted by the eyes of Sauron he told at last all that he would know. Then Sauron laughed; and he mocked Gorlim, and revealed to him that he had seen only a phantom devised by wizardry to entrap him; for Eilinel was dead. 'Nonetheless I will grant thy power,' said Sauron; 'and thou shalt go to Eilinel, and be set freeof my service.' The he put him cruely to death.&quot;

Oh!!! Talk about evil. That defines it. Right there.

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Re: Who is your favorite &quot;Bad Guy&quot;.

Sauron certainly seems the most deliberately cruel whereas Morgoth seems more big picture. Kind of like Mengele vs Hitler. However, Ungoliant (who is not on the list) would probably be a good candidate for &quot;most&quot; evil in the raw sense of the word. I guess she's not in the running since she's not likely to be anyone's &quot;favorite&quot;.

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Re: Who is your favorite &quot;Bad Guy&quot;.

It has to be the Lord of the Nazgul, Witch-king of Angmar, Lord of the Nine, Black Rider, Servant of Sauron! Sure, he may be slightly lesser than the rest but hey, give him a break! Riding on a giant black thing resembling a...um, turd, would be cool, especially flying that quickly. Hmmm...not being able to see properly is a bit of a drawback though.

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<img src="http://www.barrowdowns.com/images/posticons/redeye.jpg" align=absmiddle> Nope nope

Has to be Gollum for me.
He was good once... and he WAS a hobbit.

*sigh*


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<img src="http://www.barrowdowns.com/images/posticons/sting.jpg" align=absmiddle> Favorite Bad Guy?

Everybody has a soft spot for old Morgoth. Me, personally, I love to hate him. Did I mention I could take him anyday? <img src=wink.gif ALT=";)"> He gives some real purpose to the books. If not for him, Arda would be Arda Unmarred, but hey, how interesting is that? Would you read a book about how well the harvest did this year, or how happy everyone was? YAAAAAWWWWN Boring! The Books NEED him.


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[Orald]

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<img src="http://www.barrowdowns.com/images/posticons/sting.jpg" align=absmiddle> Favorite Bad Guy?

True, Evil is bad and causes much sadness, but it is good to have been.

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[SonofElessar]

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Re: Who is your favorite &quot;Bad Guy&quot;.

I would have to go with the Witch King of Angmar.While his power was not on the level of Morgoth or Sauron his interaction with the Fellowship ( stabbing Frodo, the face-off with Gandalf,etc.) made him a more tangible evil and he served the unblinking eye with undead resolve.

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<img src="http://www.barrowdowns.com/images/posticons/redeye.jpg" align=absmiddle> Re: Who is your favorite &quot;Bad Guy&quot;.

Sauron, no doubt about it. He's so cool, so good, so... stupid!
He lost his war 'coz he didn't pay attention to a little, small, weaponless hobbit...
He's the best!

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[Orald]

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Welcome to the Downs Son of Elessar and The Last Elf.

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hmmm who can guess who I voted for.

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well...<img src=roll.gif ALT=":rollin"> me must say me ONE fav bad guys is Ungoliant, but there are so many me cant name them all!!<img src=rolleyes.gif ALT=":rolleyes"> ................................<img src=laugh.gif ALT=":lol"> check out my own wicked discussion board at Ost-in-Edhil:The City Of The Elves at http://pub48.ezboard.com/bostinedhilpub48.ezboard.com/bostinedhil</a>

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I'll have to go with Gollum...I felt sorry for the little guy. And I think that he had potential to be good again.


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Re:Who's your favourite &quot;Bad Guy&quot;

I have to go with gollum too. The poor guy was just so corrupted by the ring,
and I was sad when he fell into the fire, even though it was for &quot;the better&quot;...

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<img src="http://www.barrowdowns.com/images/posticons/sting.jpg" align=absmiddle> Re: Who is your favorite &quot;Bad Guy&quot;.

Melkor. Sauron was a disciple of Melkor and a shadow (though a big one to be sure!) of his master. They were both jerks! (I wish Fingolfin would have got Melkor in a headlock, rubbed his face in the dirt, and then gave him a big wedgie in front all the onlooking hosts of Angband!)

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Bill Ferny, the schemin' ne'er do well hisself!

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Morgoth, of course!

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<img src="http://www.barrowdowns.com/images/posticons/onering.jpg" align=absmiddle> Re my favorite bad guy?

Sauron deffinatly if he hadnt have made such a stupid mistake as putting most of his power in a stupid little destructable thing than I wouldnt have been able to see elves and all.But if you think about it than none of the bad guys would be a favorite,but just to have some fun......why do I like sauron?and not like the others?I like sauron 'cause of what that one person said about him not seeing two harmless little hobbits bearing one thing that should have been so easy for him to detect in his own land no less.And i dont like him 'cause he sent so many enemys after mister Frodo and all.I never liked Gollum,to slinky and when he jumped on mister Frodo (when I was carrying him up the mountain)I almost kicked him.What do I know about Morgoth? Nothing,I'm just a hobbit
although I had a lovly fight with that wretched spiderand she ranks only second so it goes Sauron and whats her name?....... Shelob
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<img src="http://www.barrowdowns.com/images/posticons/onering.jpg" align=absmiddle> Re: Gollum owns j00!

Welcome gollum! I like the site, nice layout. But I can't find any links to other pages? <img src=ohwell.gif ALT=":/">

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<img src="http://www.barrowdowns.com/images/posticons/onering.jpg" align=absmiddle> Well well

GolluM Im glad you decided to join us, Im the one you were speaking to yesterday.. I still love that drawing on your page.. Hmmm my favorite abd guy... I would have to say morgoth himself... without morgoth there would be no Sauron, no balrogs, nor dragons, no orcs goblins and hobgoblins... Life would simply be boring. After all good cannot exist without evil, so we might as well give credit to teh guy that started it all <img src=devil.gif ALT=":evil"> And besides Morgoth did alot in his time including wrecking the world earl on.. quite an accomplishment.. but thats simply my views

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<img src="http://www.barrowdowns.com/images/posticons/onering.jpg" align=absmiddle> Re: Gollum owns j00!

I was going to say &quot;Don't advertise your page if you aren't going to join our conversations.&quot; but I decided to visit your page first. The picture of Gollum has at leat 26 dagger-like teeth. Gollum only had six. If you had joined in the conversation before making your page you'd never have such a glaring error on your site!

Now please put your link in your sig and join in the conversations or your link will be tossed into the void within a few days.

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<img src="http://www.barrowdowns.com/images/posticons/onering.jpg" align=absmiddle> ?

Favorite bad guy?
call me old -fashioned but my answer is
None.
<img src=smile.gif ALT=":)">

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[Orald]

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<img src="http://www.barrowdowns.com/images/posticons/onering.jpg" align=absmiddle> Re: ?

lol, I realy like the the sig.

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my favourite bad guy is of course sauron. he's just cool isnt he? well, maybe slightly stupid and somewhat blind but well i like him.


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My favorite is Melkor/Morgoth

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<img src="http://www.barrowdowns.com/images/posticons/onering.jpg" align=absmiddle> bad guys

i think you can look to the free peoples to discover a few bad guys, for example, Maeglin was possibly the &quot;baddest&quot; of all because of his evil lustfull desire for Idril and the throne of Gondolin and hatred of Tuor and Earendil. Also, the three middle sons of Feanor had a lot to be disired. Although Caranthir was named the dark, Celegorm probably showed most evil intent. Grima also was a slimy little sod. However i hate al the above characters, may favourite would have to be the Witch King, the most visible face of all that is bad.

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[The Barrow-Wight]

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<img src="http://www.barrowdowns.com/images/posticons/onering.jpg" align=absmiddle> Re: bad guys

Many good examples, careneon. Welcome to the board.

The Witch King was awesomely bad!!

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[Gilthalion]

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<img src="http://www.barrowdowns.com/images/posticons/sting.jpg" align=absmiddle> Re: Who is your favorite &quot;Bad Guy&quot;.

I'm in the minority who've voted for Saruman.

While Morgoth and Sauron are a lofty unreachable evil, and while Gollum is a pitiable tortured fool, Saruman is a vindictive traitor.

And he just doesn't quit! Knowing that there is nothing to accomplish, he still does his dirty work in the Shire, just for spite!

His fallen stature, and the inevitable comparison with Gandalf, make him a first rate villain in my book!


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[burrahobbit]

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My favorite &quot;Bad Guy&quot; is Sam. He was rather not nice to Smeagol.

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[enep]

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<img src="http://www.barrowdowns.com/images/posticons/sting.jpg" align=absmiddle> Re: Who is your favorite &quot;Bad Guy&quot;.

Poor Smeagol. <img src=frown.gif ALT=":(">

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[Gilthalion]

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<img src="http://www.barrowdowns.com/images/posticons/sting.jpg" align=absmiddle> Re: Who is your favorite &quot;Bad Guy&quot;.

How odd! I had just commented on enep's personal pic in another thread. Now he has appropriated my personal pic!

I should sue for copywight infringement!


(Get it?)


Or is that just some bizarre trait of my display? His pic seems to incorporate whatever is a space above it...

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[Orald]

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<img src="http://www.barrowdowns.com/images/posticons/sting.jpg" align=absmiddle> Re: Who is your favorite &quot;Bad Guy&quot;.

I noticed that also. You need to fix that enep. It always has someone elses pick as its background. I wonder...

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[Samwise of the shire]

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<img src="http://www.barrowdowns.com/images/posticons/onering.jpg" align=absmiddle> Re: okay were you kidding or did you mean it?

Ok who ever you are I wouldnt call Sam a bad guy he doesnt like Gollum because he is a good guy-does that make sense?-Gollum had turned bad and you cant really blame Sam for not trusting Gollum,he could never be good again.I asked a question once about Gollum if he had lived would he ever be free of the lust of the ring?The answer was no Frodo had born the ring only a short while and he would never be free-remember he was deppressed and sick every March 25-and Gollum bore that darn thing for ages and ages so he was permantly CORRUPT.And Sam -being an honest,loyal caracter-could never trust Gollum,so really Sam is a major good guy and without Sam,Frodo would never had made it to Mordor(hint:Shelob)alone.Did that make sense?
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[burrahobbit]

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<img src="http://www.barrowdowns.com/images/posticons/onering.jpg" align=absmiddle> Re: okay were you kidding or did you mean it?

First, Gollum almost turned good at least once, before Shelob's lair, but it was *Sam* that insulted him and pushed him back to bad, for good.

And second, it was a joke, dude, get a sense of humor.

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[Samwise of the shire]

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<img src="http://www.barrowdowns.com/images/posticons/onering.jpg" align=absmiddle> Re: not really burrahobbit

I act before I think alot of times but I gotta ask ya a question BH.what would you have done?I know you wouldnt just sit there and say &quot;oh hello where've you been Gollum?Whats next?you'd probably freak out.right?
And yes I admit Sam did contribute to Gollum's relapse into evil,but Gollum could never be good again because he NEVER WAS. How did he get the ring?Just ask Deagol nicley?Heck no!-I'll let you figure it out-.when you have, e-mail me at
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[burrahobbit]

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<img src="http://www.barrowdowns.com/images/posticons/onering.jpg" align=absmiddle> Re: not really burrahobbit

What would I have done? I probably wouldn't have woken up for several hours. If I had? I probably would have said something like &quot;What're you doin'? Oh, ok&quot; and gone back to sleep.

While Gollum may have never been &quot;good&quot;, he used to be a whole lot nicer.

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[Aldaron]

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<img src="http://www.barrowdowns.com/images/posticons/onering.jpg" align=absmiddle> Re: Favorite Bad Guy

An interesting discussion, albeit not very deep. But it all goes to show that Tolkien knew what he was doing. Not just one bad guy but a series to keep tension in the stories and to give us some suspense. At times the up-close bad guy makes us forget about the faraway bad guy, Morgoth. You can't have the master bad guy on the scene all the time or in each and every scene. Just one more piece of evidence that Tolkien knew very well how a story goes together.

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[Orald]

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<img src="http://www.barrowdowns.com/images/posticons/onering.jpg" align=absmiddle> Re: Favorite Bad Guy

If I woke and found Gollum pawing Frodo, I think I would have just started making lots of noise, but do it in a way that makes Gollum think that I didn't notice, and then I would tell Frodo later to keep a closer I on him.

It seems fate is not without a sense of irony.</p>

[Zoe]

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<img src="http://www.barrowdowns.com/images/posticons/onering.jpg" align=absmiddle> Re: Favorite Bad Guy

Sam: Gollum did not start out bad. It was the influence of the Ring. (There's a topic somewhere called &quot;Gollum's motives&quot; or something, where enep and I discuss this.)

Because the Ring had so much influence over Gollum, it is hard to say that he is &quot;bad&quot;, when it is not his will but the will of the Ring which is directing him.

Frankly, I think that if Sam had been in Gollum's original position, at the river with Deagol, he quite likely would have done the same thing, and ended up in much the same way.


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[Orald]

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<img src="http://www.barrowdowns.com/images/posticons/onering.jpg" align=absmiddle> Re: Favorite Bad Guy

He kinda was, he didn't take the ring from Frodo, he never even really tried. On the other hand, Deagol didn't even put it on and Smeagol took it. Or something like that. Anyway, Sam seems to have been a better person than Smeagol was.

It seems fate is not without a sense of irony.</p>

[Elenanna]

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<img src="http://www.barrowdowns.com/images/posticons/onering.jpg" align=absmiddle> Re: Favorite Bad Guy

i think who ever deagol was to sam it would depend on wether sam did the same thing or not because he had a very strong sense of loyalty. smeagol didnt even before the ring

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<img src="http://www.barrowdowns.com/images/posticons/sting.jpg" align=absmiddle> Re: Who is your favorite &quot;Bad Guy&quot;.

Only Gilthalion agrees with me!!
How can you not like Saruman! Oh sure I'm sorry for Gollum but he's one of the istarii! He started out as the wisest, cleverest, best of the lot! (Unless you were wise enough to know that was really Gandalf.)
And he turned into a low down mean evil wicked villian reduced to spitefully cutting down trees! He's spitefull and nasty and, well, evil!
I always did like the wizards best <img src=wink.gif ALT=";)">

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[The X Phial]

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<img src="http://www.barrowdowns.com/images/posticons/sting.jpg" align=absmiddle> Re: Who is your favorite &quot;Bad Guy&quot;.

I hafta agree with Hanna on this one. I think Saruman was the best villain. He was charming and a deep thinker. While Sauron and Melkor were the most evil, Saruman managed to figure out what would hurt his enemies most and then strike there. A good little sociopathic trick, if I do say so myself. <img src=devil.gif ALT=":evil">

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[Mithrandir]

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<img src="http://www.barrowdowns.com/images/posticons/sting.jpg" align=absmiddle> Re: Who is your favorite &quot;Bad Guy&quot;.

I would also have to agree with Saruman as my favorite bad guy. He just wouldnt give up, after he was beaten and knew that he would never again become a great, powerful, and respected wizard by all, he still had the nerve to torture the poor hobbits back in the Shire! What a nasty nasty guy! <img src=mad.gif ALT=">:">

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<img src="http://www.barrowdowns.com/images/posticons/sting.jpg" align=absmiddle> Re: Who is your favorite &quot;Bad Guy&quot;.

I have to go with saruman too.
I don't think he would have realized that it's over if Gandalf had beaten the crap out of him (am I allowed to say crap???)The worst thing about him is that he's a traitor, betraying the people who trust him! Pfui!!!
One person i always saw as a bad guy is Denethor.. even though sauron just scared that poor guy so much that he went insane.....

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[burrahobbit]

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<img src="http://www.barrowdowns.com/images/posticons/sting.jpg" align=absmiddle> Re: Who is your favorite &quot;Bad Guy&quot;.

You can say worse than that if you want, just don't do it too often.

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[Findorfin]

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<img src="http://www.barrowdowns.com/images/posticons/sting.jpg" align=absmiddle> Re: Who is your favorite &quot;Bad Guy&quot;.

Mine has to be the 'Witch King' Lord of Nazgul, Khamul, Black Rider etc, etc.

He just creeps me out. The reason for this is cos you get to 'meet' him close up in LOTR whereas Sauron is just a presence from afar.

Fear seems to be his main weapon, and it certainly works on me ! LOL


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[burrahobbit]

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<img src="http://www.barrowdowns.com/images/posticons/sting.jpg" align=absmiddle> Re: Who is your favorite &quot;Bad Guy&quot;.

Khamul and the Lord of the Nazgul are two different characters. Khamul is the number 2.

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[Meron]

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Re: Who is your favorite &quot;Bad Guy&quot;.

When it comes to &quot;favorite&quot;, I'd have to say poor Gollum, because at least we see some vulnerability in him, and can imagine that he has at least some shred of decency in him.

As for who is best at being a bad guy, I have to admit that the Mouth of Sauron has always fascinated me. He was described as being &quot;crueler than any orc&quot;, and I'll bet that a recounting of his (mis)deeds would prove pretty ugly.

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[Amandil]

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Re: Who is your favorite &quot;Bad Guy&quot;.

How can you possibly choose a favorite? Even losing one would diminish the stories so much. <img src=devil.gif ALT=":evil">

How can you not choose Sauron? <img src=devil.gif ALT=":evil"> <img src=devil.gif ALT=":evil"> <img src=devil.gif ALT=":evil">
&gt; Leading Gorlim the Unhappy into thinking that he would be reunited with his lost wife after Gorlim betrays his companions to their deaths, and then telling him she was already dead and cruelly putting him to death . <img src=devil.gif ALT=":evil">
&gt;After fighting a battle of Song with Finrod (Yay!) Felagund and defeating him and casting him into a pit to be killed by a werewolf. boo hiss!!!! <img src=devil.gif ALT=":evil">
&gt;After tormenting Thráin for YEARS in Dol Guldur <img src=devil.gif ALT=":evil"> (He didn't give up the Keebler secret....wait the Elves have that!)
&gt;After setting up the Cirith Ungol petting-zoo featuring Shelob? <img src=smile.gif ALT=":)">
&gt;After getting the Númenóreans to chop down Nimloth <img src=devil.gif ALT=":evil"> No more Christmas for them! <img src=devil.gif ALT=":evil">

I mean look at all he got done after he got his finger chopped off! Frodo didn't do too much after he lost his digit! Neither did Beren after he lost his hand. Well, he did father Dior. You gotta give him credit for that. But he was married to Luthien. How hard could that have been? <img src=tongue.gif ALT=":p">
And don't forget, he was the one you can give major credit for dispoiling Saruman and Denethor and to some extent even poor old Sméagol.

That being said, I think I choose Saruman. <img src=tongue.gif ALT=":p">

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[Earendilyon]

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<img src="http://www.barrowdowns.com/images/posticons/onering.jpg" align=absmiddle> Re: Who is your favorite &quot;Bad Guy&quot;.

My 'favorite' bad guy is Gollum: he's the best developed of the bad characters in the LotR.


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[Teleri]

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<img src="http://www.barrowdowns.com/images/posticons/onering.jpg" align=absmiddle> Favorite....

I agree with Findorfin...the Witch King is a great bad guy, because he is really scary. Even though we know he was once a man, he has become a Shadow being. I think it's great the way we are introduced to them in the LOTR books-they were shadows in the night! Who's not afraid of the dark and unknown! Not knowing exactly what he IS , and what he is capable of, makes him terrifying. Whereas, Morgoth and Sauron ARE really bad, but they often get others to do their dirty work while they sit back and watch.

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[Aldaron]

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<img src="http://www.barrowdowns.com/images/posticons/onering.jpg" align=absmiddle> Re: Favorite....

How about the Dark Riders, as they confront the hobbits just before they reach Rivendell? That's right up close, not somebody doing dirty work for Sauron who sits far away. Scared the heck out of me the first time I read it.

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[Telchar]

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<img src="http://www.barrowdowns.com/images/posticons/onering.jpg" align=absmiddle> Re: Favorite....

When I was little I was terryfied by Smaug, to an 7 year old he seems pretty nasty the way JRRT described him ... I usually wanted the lights on after my mother read those parts to me <img src=cool.gif ALT="8)">

<img src=smokin.gif ALT=":smokin"> Telchar

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[hegemonmatt]

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<img src="http://www.barrowdowns.com/images/posticons/onering.jpg" align=absmiddle> Re:Fav. &quot;Bad Guy&quot;

Melkor, no doubt. He was the biggest, strongest, and coolest. Even Sauron was afraid of him. He rocked, and scares me to death.

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[Estel de la Tarda]

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<img src="http://www.barrowdowns.com/images/posticons/onering.jpg" align=absmiddle> My favourite

No one is more glamorous thatn the Black Riders!!!! <img src=devil.gif ALT=":evil">

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<img src="http://www.barrowdowns.com/images/posticons/onering.jpg" align=absmiddle> Re: My favourite

GOLLUM!!!!!!!

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[GandaIf The White]

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Re: Who is your favorite &quot;Bad Guy&quot;.

Sauron was a big ninnyhammer! If he himself had gone out to Minas Tirith.. WAM BAM! YOU B DEAD! But, as you all know, he was too busy worrying about Aragorn. You have to admit Im right. He could not be destroyed and yet he would not help his army.

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<img src="http://www.barrowdowns.com/images/posticons/onering.jpg" align=absmiddle> Re: Who is your favorite &quot;Bad Guy&quot;.

it will be Ringwraiths

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<img src="http://www.barrowdowns.com/images/posticons/onering.jpg" align=absmiddle> Re: Who is your favorite &quot;Bad Guy&quot;.

Actually Gandalf, Sauron wasn't that stupid. Although he didn't do the physical fighting, he was the brains of the operation, so to speak. He thought up the evil schemes himself, but sent others to do it. Besides, if I were Sauron, I wouldn't want to be seen without a body.

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[The Watcher in the Water]

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Yes... what would the neighbours think?

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[obloquy]

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Re: Who is your favorite &quot;Bad Guy&quot;.

Sauron wasn't always a sheerly &quot;behind-the-scenes&quot; kind of guy, and it's very likely that once he had recovered his Ring he would've become quite the military badass. I wouldn't discredit him for knowing when to be strategic and when to assert himself with personal confrontation. I highly doubt anyone in Middle-earth at the time of the War of the Ring would've welcomed a fight with Sauron...even with an army behind them.

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[Theodred21]

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Re: Who is your favorite &quot;Bad Guy&quot;.

Although Sauron, Melkor, and the Witch King are all very bad villains, my favorite bad guy was Gollum. In some parts of LotR, I felt sorry for Gollum, but in other parts I hated him ( Like when Shelob stung Frodo and I thought he was dead for a while). But overall, he was good deep down inside, below the layers of corruption. I also enjoyed the way he talked too!

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[LionPixie]

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Bad Guys

Was nobody spooked on the Paths of the Dead? Was Shelob a sweety? The Balrog a hug-a-bear?

But seriously, who really was the brains behind all the cruel mischief? It seems that Goldberry had everyone fooled all along.....

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[moonsaulter]

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Re: Who is your favorite &quot;Bad Guy&quot;.

id have to say gollum he way pretty sweet

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[Evenspire]

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Favorite Bad Guy.


I enjoyed the combined humor and intrigue of Gollum, Bilbo's evil twin.

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[merry linger]

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Re: Favorite Bad Guy.

flame of udun...

those dooming drums from the orcs of moria was definitely a squirmish moment...

He planted himself squarely in front of Faramir, his hands on his hips, and a look on his face as if he was addressing a young hobbit who had offered him what he called 'sauce' when questioned about visits to the orchard.</p>

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I'd have to say my favorite bad guy is the Newly Deceased Wight who re-opened the Balrog wings thread <img src=wink.gif ALT=";)">
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[The Abbreviator]

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Fav baddie?
Stupid q.
M'self, course.

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Fiend! Do not trouble this fair community with your twisted, scofflaw abbreviations! Fear not, Barrow Downs citizens -- Spellcheck Man is here to revise this evildoer's post!

&quot;Who is my favorite bad guy?
That is a foolish question.
I am my own favorite bad guy.&quot;

POW! Take that, you anti-grammarian!

I'm Spellcheck Man!</p>

[KM Tinuviel]

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<img src=laugh.gif ALT=":lol"> <img src=laugh.gif ALT=":lol"> <img src=laugh.gif ALT=":lol">

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[Belegheru]

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The ultimate villain is definitely Melkor. He was so mighty and so cruel. The way he handeled with Hurin and his family was the most evil and horrible deed that was ever done in the history of Arda. Anyways Melkor is the bloody CREATOR and MASTER of all evil itself so there mustn't be any doubt that Melkor is the greatest villain of all.

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[aLATAR]

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I liked Saruman the best i dont exactly know y but Saruman, isengard, and orthanc have just always held my interest from the first time i read the book

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[Astroduriel]

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Re: Who is your favorite &quot;Bad Guy&quot;.

Well... I must think about it...

... Witch-King of Angmar, I think. Lord of the Nazgul is cooler than Sauron... Of chourse!

And the way he died makes him more cooler. No man could kill him; so it must be woman and hobbit killing him! What an idea!

So... I voted Lord of the Nazgul. Sauron is also cool, but he was too easy to slain.. Nice if he could be seen in book. Anyway, he's good bad guy.

About Morgoth I don't know, I've not readen Silmarillion.

Saruman was one fool thinking he serves himsef, but really helped Sauron the Great!

And Gollum... I don't think his bad at all. He was just poor little guy who wanted the Ring... He's not bad. It's wrong to say him bad.

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<img src="http://www.barrowdowns.com/images/posticons/wight.jpg" align=absmiddle> Ugluk

There was no mention of either Ugluk or Grishnahk which created a problem for me. However, Saruman was a real bad guy but was destroyed by the direct consequences of his evil- i.e Grima. Reduced to his most pathetic form he lost hius form in a way similar to Sauron: shadow rising up and blown away. However, my favourite bad guy was Ugluk- the only real example of an orc- and an Uruk at that- that was characterized. It took Eomer to slay him- he even had to get off his horse to do it. Not to mention Ugluk's driving of the orc party so far- he beat even Wingfoot himself! (several hours start, lengthened to a couple of days). There is something about evil driven to desperation that strikes a chord. Anyone agree?

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Saruman, He has cool lines, is inventive, great lackeys,
smokes a pipe and lived in two of the coolest places in middle-earth. Not to mention all the betrayal involved, betraying those who trust you makes for great villiany .
cheers

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[Glorfindel the resurected]

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I say Sauron because he's cool, cold and calculated. Undetered, no matter how great his defeats, in a applying his plan. Where as Morgoth (using Morgoths Ring as a source) suffered from &quot;nihilistic madness&quot;. He just wanted to destroy everything untill there wasn't anything left to destroy.
The psycho.

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I voted Saruman, but after reading the replys, i've changed my mind.

Saruman - The arguement was made that Saruman was the baddest because he was a Maiar and became a traitor. By that logic Melkor would be the baddest, as a former Vala. By TA 3000 he was being heavily influenced by Sauron vai the palantir, much the same way Denethor II was. He was simply powerhungry. And sure he was spiteful, but many would be after such a fall from glory.

Gollum - The guy you love to hate, but he really wasn't that bad, blame it on the ring.

Witch King - Its really hard to say how bad this guy was, i've not read about him as he was previous to becoming a slave to Sauron. With Sauron in complete control of him through the ring, he might have been a mere puppet, a long distance reflection of Sauron himself. Who knows if his true nature shown through any at all.

Sauron - I don't doubt there are passages in HOME expressing the full extent of his maliciousness, but in the big picture, he was just playing his cards trying to take over middle-earth. I don't see any great deeds of terror from him.

Melkor - The greatest of traitors. Cause of all evil and wrong in Arda. Leader of the rebellion including several Maiar. The light of the Two Trees would not have been ended by Ungoliant had it not been for him. His theft of the Silmarilli led to the loss of two of them. While Sauron may have been content with Middle-Earth, there can be little doubt that Melkor wanted it all. &quot;Bad Guy&quot;

P.S. None of these guys come even close to the grotesque evil horor that is Lord Foul. -Thomas Covenant Chronicals by Steven Donaldson.

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I have to say Sauron. I mean Morgoth was great but he didn't strike a deep fear and since of dread in me. That doesn't mean I would go up to him and **** on his boot and then laugh at him, just that he didn't scare me enough. Saruman scared me but not as much as Sauron. I mean he did some of his cruelest work in The Simarillion. Those of you that say that the reason you didn't vote for him was because he didn't think of one little thing. It is almost always the little things that get you in the end. As for some guy named Lord Foul being better than all of them. I have never really heard of him except for an obscure reference to him on some website but I doubt that he could take on and defeat most of the people on this poll. But I won't say why because I don't know the guy.

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[Babidi Buu]

Favorite villains from Lord of the Rings(has not read the books yet so i'll do movie version)
1: Witch King
2: Gothmog
3: Sauron
4: Lurtz
5: Durins bane

Favorite Villain from the Hobbit(has not read book but has watched animated movie and done game)
1: Smaug

Favorite Villains from Silmarillion(is in the middle of reading)
1: Glaurong
2: Ancalagon
3: Scatha
4: Morgoth
5: Gothmog, LotB(Lord of the Balrogs)

I cant really decide Who's my all-time favorite in LOTR, it's a really close tie with Witchy, Gothy(orc) and Smaugy

[Miss Squadilla]

Morgoth is hardcore.

[Gollum the Great]

1st. Curunir (I mean, wheels and forges and weapons and fires and an unbreakable tower...)

2nd. Gollum (small, corrupt, agile, aged, I could go on for days listing his marvelous qualities) and Morgoth (he's awesome)

3rd. Glaurung. Able to make a strong-willed person lose her memory, and destroy a forest and hold men still with his eyes, and notice things he can't see, and on and on...

4th. A tie between Carcharoth (did I miss spell that?) and the Witch-King. One broke the Girdle of Melian and scorned a Silmaril-well, I guess it was unwise- and the other spread fear like nobody's business and was one of the pinnacles of sheer awesomeness.

5th. All dragons and Balrogs from M-E collectively.

[Gwathagor]

Eol. No question.

[Morthoron]

Eol. No question.

Ditto. By far one of the most interesting characters of the Silmarillion.