Game thread - Werewolf C - The Father Christmas Murders

[Morsul the Dark]

G55 The ranger can't stop a lynch if the wolves are trying to set you up for a lynch there's no one rotecting you... I still don't understand what you mean by that. And I'm talking abut the wolvews trying to lynch an innocent any innocent is a lpus for them they only the only reason for them to have a better candidate than you as you say would be if you're the cobbler.

[satansaloser2005]

It's ~0:15 until DL, yes?

[Loslote]

It's ~0:15 until DL, yes?

Yes, ma'am.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

It's ~0:15 until DL, yes?

Yes.

[Galadriel55]

G55 The ranger can't stop a lynch if the wolves are trying to set you up for a lynch there's no one rotecting you... I still don't understand what you mean by that. And I'm talking abut the wolvews trying to lynch an innocent any innocent is a lpus for them they only the only reason for them to have a better candidate than you as you say would be if you're the cobbler.

I was not talking about a lynch. I was talking about the Night-kill That Did Not Happen. During the Night, wolves discuss which villager to nom on. Any villager would do, but gifteds are extra tasty and Ranger-on-the-side adds some unpleasant aftertaste. That's all there is to it. You were just thinking of toDay when I was talking about last Night.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

++G55

I have not seen enough suspicious activity from Legate himself to warrant a vote, and a vote for Eonwe would be a throwaway.

[Coppermirror]

It is already pretty interesting.

True. But it's only going to get more active.

Let's see, who has yet to vote?

Nerwen, and Eonwe, I think. You've got twelve minutes, by my clock.

[Galadriel55]

Whichever way it goes, lynch Legate toMorrow if not toDay. I would rather toDay, but that is not up to me.

[Morsul the Dark]

I was not talking about a lynch. I was talking about the Night-kill That Did Not Happen. During the Night, wolves discuss which villager to nom on. Any villager would do, but gifteds are extra tasty and Ranger-on-the-side adds some unpleasant aftertaste. That's all there is to it. You were just thinking of toDay when I was talking about last Night.

Ah now I see what you mean...

[Nerwen]

It *has* to be Legate or G55 now, doesn't it?
EDIT:X'd since Cop.

[Galadriel55]

It *has* to be Legate or G55 now, doesn't it?

Yes. Legate is one vote ahead. So yours will be decisive unless Steve shows up.

[Coppermirror]

If my count is right, there have been three votes for G55, and five for Legate. I see that Eonwe said he was abstaining, so Legate will certainly be lynched no matter how Nerwen votes.

[Galadriel55]

If my count is right, there have been three votes for G55, and five for Legate. I see that Eonwe said he was abstaining, so Legate will certainly be lynched no matter how Nerwen votes.

I must have missed one, then. My apologies.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Lommy - G55 (G55 1)
Legate - G55 (G55 2)
G55 - Legate (G55 2, Legate 1)
Inzil - Legate (G55 2, Legate 2)
McCaber - Legate (G55 2, Legate 3)
Sally - Legate (G55 2, Legate 4)
Cop - Legate (G55 2, Legate 5)
Shasta - G55 (G55 3, Legate 5)

I hadn't realized the lynch was so in favor of Legate. Hmm....

[Coppermirror]

I'd better double check once more.

Votes for Legate: G55, Inzil, McCaber, Sally, me. Yep, five.

Edit: cross-posted since G55's last.

[Coppermirror]

Nerwn, you need to vote now or else you'll probably get mod-fired.

[satansaloser2005]

Morsul-->McCaber
Lommie-->Gal
Legate-->Gal (2)
Gal-->Legate
Dun-->Legate (2)
McCaber-->Legate (3)
Sally-->Legate (4)
Cop-->Legate (5)
Shasta-->Gal (3)


X'd with two others who said the same thing. Oops.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

I also forgot Eonwe had abstained today. Would a wolf do that? :eek:

Something to think about...

[Nerwen]

I didn't see this about Steve abstaining.

Well, now it doesn't make any difference how I vote.

Still

++Legate

It seems to make the most sense out of the two.

EDIT:X'd since Cop at #262.

[Galadriel55]

Well, good Night, people!


Last minute thoughts - Shasta gets extra reindeer noses for reading so quickly, and he still looks innocent. Morsul looks merely confused. Nerwen - depends on her vote. Interesting....... yessss......

Edit: xed with Shasta and Nerwen

[Loslote]

DL. Please stop posting. Legate has been lynched. Narration to follow.

[Loslote]

As the sun finally started to drift behind the mountains, the Christmastowners cast wary glances over their shoulders. The brief confidence they had felt when they realized there had been no kill that Night had faded, and tension was running high.

The Grinch was the first Christmastowner to snap. “I think it was Tiny Tim,” he accused. “Let’s take a look at his cane – is that blood I see on the end there?”

“No,” Tiny Tim said, “it’s wet. Wood gets wet. In the snow.”

“A likely story,” sniffed the Grinch.

Paksu shook her head. “I think it was Rudolph,” she said. “That red nose gives me the willies. Always has.”

“I agree,” Santa said. “Ever since Rudolph hit his teens, his behavior has been simply appalling.”

“It’s not me,” Rudolph said, mysteriously, “but I do know who it is!”

All the Christmastowners gathered around.

“It was….” Rudolph paused and made a drumroll with his front feet. “Santa Claus!”

“Santa Claus,” Jack Frost repeated skeptically. “Really? Of all the people to go with, you pick Santa Claus?”

“He’s a murderer! I know it!” Rudolph insisted.

“I can’t see why she would be lying,” Frosty said.

“I can!” the Grinch protested. “This makes no sense.”

“It does! I promise!” Rudolph said.

“I believe him,” Tiny Tim said. “Santa never gave me what I wanted for Christmas.”

“I don’t know,” Valotukka mumbled. “I’m not taking part in this. This is wrong! How do we know they’ll even kill toNight? How do we know they even tried last Night? Maybe we’re just making a big deal out of nothing! Maybe we killed Olive for nothing!”

“No,” said Little Cindy Lou Who, “I agree with Rudolph. I think Santie Claus is a murderer!”

“But, Cindy,” protested Santa, “I always brought you presents on Christmas! You loved me!”

“I don’t believe in that,” Cindy said, “I know it was always the Grinch!”

“What can I say?” the Grinch said, shrugging and grinning.

“It must have been Santa Claus,” the Ghost of Christmas Present wailed, “his very garb screams his red-stained guilt!”

“It’s festive,” Santa protested.

“I don’t think so,” the Sugar Plum Fairy said sadly. “I can hardly believe it of you, Santa. But believe, I suppose I must.

Rudolph untied his be-belled harness and quickly tied it around Santa’s wrists. “You’ll get what you deserve, old man,” the reindeer said.

“What’ll we do with him?” Frosty asked.

“Stuff him down a chimney,” Tiny Tim suggested. “With a lit fire.”

“Poetic justice!” Little Cindy Lou Who cheered.

“And rid us once and for all of this wicked old elf,” the Ghost moaned.

The Grinch and Paksu roughly man-handled Santa over to the Cindy and Sugar Plum’s card shop. Little Cindy ran inside to light the fire. As the Christmastowners hoisted Santa onto the roof, Santa started to struggle.

“You fools!” he rasped. “All in defense of the Christmas spirit, I’d wager. Well, your Christmas cheer will be the death of you all! The time of Christmas is over! ‘Stuff Day’ will never happen again without me! The holidays are doomed! Doomed!”

With that, Frosty gave a great push, and Santa tumbled down his last chimney.

Living

Sally - Little Cindy Lou Who
Shasta - Jack Frost
G55 - Rudolph
Coppermirror - The Ghost of Christmas Present
Steve - Valkotukka
Morsul - The Grinch
Nerwen - The Sugar Plum Fairy
Zil - Frosty
McCaber - Tiny Tim
Lommy - Paksu

Dead

Lottie - Suzy the Snowflake - Moddess
Boro - Olive the Other Reindeer - Ordo
Legate - Santa Claus - Wolf

[Loslote]

After Santa went up in flames, all the Christmastowners wandered back to their houses, locking their doors as securely as they could after them. All, that is, but one. The last of the conspirators went back home, but there would be no sleeping there toNight. As soon as everyone else was sleeping, the murderer crept back to the scene of the 'crime' - Santa's death. Carefully opening the door, the murderer walked in on a very familiar scene.

"You again?" asked the Sugar Plum Fairy. She glanced around nervously for her protector from the Night before.

"Your guardian isn't here to protect you toNight," the murderer chucked ominously.

"Why are you doing this?" the Fairy asked.

"As my dear partner said, Christmas is doomed."

"What does that even mean?"

"Christmas has gotten old," elaborated the villain. "It's time to end Christmas, once and for all. It's gotten too big, too commercial. And you're one of the reasons why, Sugar, with your little card business."

"They're lovely!" protested the Fairy. "Everyone loves them. They bring joy to so many people!"

"And they bring you a lot of money," sneered the murderer.

"That's just a nice bonus," tittered Sugar Plum.

The murderer shook his head. "They've destroyed Christmas. And they'll destroy you." So saying, the murderer grabbed a fistful of Christmas cards lying about on the shelves. Opening the Sugar Plum Fairy's mouth and stuffing them in, the murderer held her jaw closed and covered her nose with the other hand until she stopped moving. The body dropped limply to the floor. "And that is what you deserve for killing dear Santa," sneered the murderer.

Living

Sally - Little Cindy Lou Who
Shasta - Jack Frost
G55 - Rudolph
Coppermirror - The Ghost of Christmas Present
Steve - Valkotukka
Morsul - The Grinch
Zil - Frosty
McCaber - Tiny Tim
Lommy - Paksu

Dead

Lottie - Suzy the Snowflake - Moddess
Boro - Olive the Other Reindeer - Ordo
Legate - Santa Claus - Wolf
Nerwen - The Sugar Plum Fairy - Ordo

[Nerwen]

Nerwin was killed during the Night. Nerwin was an ordo. The Day has started. Narration to follow.

Ghostly voice: It's NerwEn!

*goes back to being dead*

[Morsul the Dark]

instead of posting a post by post These are some folks I've read every post from and found not really much in the incrimination category

Zil- Nothing suspicious seems very helpful but not overeagerly so...

Copper- though one wolf appearing helpful and posting a lot(Legate) is likely I doubt both would be so loud. Copper seems innocent to me for now

Now Shasta... I didn't have anything on him(Ha remembered this time!) until I got to yesterday's voting and his impressions:

197:
I do have to say my initial impression of the G55-wagon is that of... convenience, almost,

and

218
Lots of Legate voting going on. It's really almost unanimous, actually, which raises my hackles a bit.

Now maybe he doesn't like either bandwagon in general, Or maybe he wanted to look innocent and defended G55 then backstepped when his partner Legate came under fire...

[McCaber]

Well blast. Nerwen was the only one of you lot I trusted completely, which might be why the wolves killed her. I'll have to go back and search her paper trail to be sure, though.

On the plus side, Legate was actually a wolf!

[Coppermirror]

I think that at this stage of the game, the wolf isn't in a position where they can afford to kill people off just in order to cause disorder or remove people whom others might not suspect much. I can only assume that they killed Nerwen because they thought she was the Seer. It makes no sense for them to be trying to target anyone else when the wolf is in such a weak position.

I'll be back later.

[Coppermirror]

Ghostly voice: It's NerwEn!

*goes back to being dead*

For a second I could have sworn that I wasn't the only ghost currently in Christmas Town!

Ahem, it must have been my imagination.

My current plan is to examine possible wolf pack configurations. During this I will from time to time be considering each person's reaction to people I know to be innocent (Boro, Nerwen, and myself) and to people I consider very likely to be innocent (G55) with a view to seeing whether they and Legate might be working together to lay suspicions.

...And in the end I only managed to go over two people, and it's not as if I looked in depth at every post of the first possibility. This is so time consuming.

G55 and Legate

I still need to consider this one . This could work if...it was all a plan to have G55 gain our trust and slowly pick us off. A very elaborate plan. Since Legate did turn out to be a wolf, I don't think it's possible for G55 to be the Cobbler, because something like this would need to be planned via private communication and also because it would be plain ridiculous for a Cobbler to do this.

No. No way. If this is true then the wolves deserve to win. I just don't believe it. If anyone has an analysis they think shows otherwise, I'll definitely listen, but right now the provisional conclusion is that G55 is innocent. Would a wolves really choose to halve their pack on Day 2? No.

Eonwe and Legate

Page 1, Day 1 - No interaction or mentions of each other. Legate posts but Eonwe isn't there yet.

Page 2, Day 1 - Eonwe arrives, says his time has been limited. Legate cross posts and in list of current notes on everyone says "Steve - strangely absent."

Eonwe gives a list of current suspicions.
Thinks G55 looks good so far.
Mixed views about me.
Not sure what to make of Nerwen due to lack of posting.
Thinks Boro doesn't feel like the innocent Boro he's used to.
Thinks Legate asked useful questions but those don't speak for his innocence or guilt, and considers Cobblerhood.


People I'd rather not for just yet:
Legate
Morsul
G55

People I need to see more of before I begin to make any sort of judgement:
Shasta
Sally
Nerwen

Page 3, Day 1 - Eonwe says he doesn't suspect me of Cobblerhood, but that doesn't mean he thinks I'm innocent. Says of Legate that "I'm not really finding him that innocent now that I look over him" and is not inclined to vote for him that Day because he's generating discussion.

Eonwe considers the possibility of a Boro-Legate pack but isn't sure they'd be that obvious when there are only two of them.

Other than those, I could potentially see myself going for Lommy, McC or Sally. Coppermirror or Nerwen could be possibilities, but only if the other option is someone I haven't mentioned so far.

edit: I completely forgot about Shasta, which is a bit worrying, but then, his most recent post seems quite good, so I probably won't be voting him toDay.

He then votes Boro, that being the second vote out of four for him. Shasta comments that it looks as if that vote was carefully set up over the course of the Day, and Eonwe replies that it was more that he'd prefer voting for Boro than Sally or Zil, both of whom were on two votes at the time he voted.

Page 3, Day 2 - Eonwe talks to McCaber about a few things.

Page 4, Day 2 - Eonwe banters with some people. He then goes through a summary of people's suspicions in the game so far. It's useful, so I'll link it: http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=678347&postcount=144

I find his wording summarising Legate's post #65 interesting. "VERY light suspicion of CM".

Eonwe then abstains on voting for the Day and leaves.

Legate then shows up with some views. Of Eonwe he says...


From new things toDay I am feeling somewhat uncertain about Steve (his replies to McCab), though that's more just the air of it, nothing specific.

In post #157 I consider and provisionally discard the possibility of a Legate-Eonwe pack.

Page 5, Day 2 - Legate goes through his suspicions. He says "I was hoping for more from Steve, and I still hope he will show up." and says similar things about a few others. Then Legate goes through another suspicions list.

Steve - I would just hope to see him around more. On re-read, I don't seem to recall what seemed so strange to me about his posting earlier. Actually, his posts have been toDay largely only short things, some lists etc. with not much content altogether. Some people said his vote yesterDay could have been a Wolf jumping on a bandwagon, though again, he could have jumped on either of the existing ones by the time he voted, unless he didn't care and/or there was a Wolf being voted for (though since there are only two Wolves, they would not have been both if Steve was one as well). All in all, needs more input, that's about it. But watching.

And that's the last mention of Eonwe before Legate left.

I doubt that those two were in a pack together, but I can't rule it out. The backtracking from Legate in the last post mentioning Eonwe confuses me a bit. It might be that Legate was initially trying to lay bait for later suspicions of Eonwe (with his talk about an air of uncertainty about him) but then thought better of it for the time being.

It seems a bit odd that Eonwe decided to not vote for Legate partially on the basis of the latter's reasonable activity level, and Eonwe did vote for Boro-innocent. On the other hand, Eonwe has been reasonably suspicious of Legate throughout, and he wasn't the only one, so it's not as if he was being suspicious towards a totally unlikely person.

I do still think that given the Day 1 voting, it would be strange for there to be an Eonwe-Legate pack.

And just now, I wonder if I've found a reason for why Legate took back his vague suspicion of Eonwe later in the Day. The post after Legate gave those suspicions was the one where I decided that an Eonwe-Legate pack would be unlikely. Thinlomien later said that was fair reasoning. Possibly, Legate wanted to back away from laying the groundwork for an Eonwe lynch right then. Might be true, might not. I'm a bit too sleepy to be able to look at this clearly right now so I'm not sure.

But before I go, while looking at one of Legate's last bunch of posts, this stood out to me a bit:

Lommy - her thought processes seem similar to mine ;) Now I wonder if I should be worried, but I can't imagine her mentioning that being e.g. a trick aimed only at me to lull me into trusting her or something similarly unlikely. So only in case you found my dead body toMorrow, then perhaps she should be looked at. On a bit more serious note, I really don't see anything suspicious about her so far, she seems to try to make an effort and not really sounding in any way false or anything.

That bit at the start there looks as if it could be a wolf trying to contact someone he thinks is the Cobbler.

And now I'm barely awake and have got to get some sleep. Since I didn't get very far in that analysis, does anyone else want to pick somebody or two and do some analysis of the possibility of them being in a pack with Legate? I'll try to do more when I wake up in the morning, anyway, it's just that at this rate I won't be able to get it done for everyone by the end of the Day.

[Inziladun]

Well, it's nice to see a gamble pay off with a wolf-lynch. It's a little disquieting though that G55 is still with us. Would she not have been a tempting target as a potential Seer? Still, maybe the Ranger was a deterrent.

I think that at this stage of the game, the wolf isn't in a position where they can afford to kill people off just in order to cause disorder or remove people whom others might not suspect much. I can only assume that they killed Nerwen because they thought she was the Seer. It makes no sense for them to be trying to target anyone else when the wolf is in such a weak position.

I would agree that there should have been a good reason. I don't at the moment recall her strongly suspecting anyone, or doing anything particularly Seerish. She didn't vote Day 1, and her late vote for Legate yesterDay was a non-factor in his lynch.

[Thinlómien]

Well...?!?

I have to say I'm humbled. When I was reading through yesterDay (without checking first what happened) I was so sure the village is going to fail big time. I didn't trust Galadriel one bit and I wasn't really convinced about Legate's guilt. I'm glad you guys were right though. Anyway, I remain unconvinced by Galadriel. I wouldn't be surprised at all if she was the cobbler (who failed big time yesterDay), but as it's pretty obvious she's not a wolf I think we can leave her be.

I'm not surprised about Nerwen's death either. YesterDay when I was trying to think who might have been attacked on Night2, I was pretty sure it was Nerwen, just because she was paying attention to Coppermirror's seer-flushing comments and might have looked seerish with a knee-jerk logic.

What now then? I'd like to have a look at what Legate said about everyone and what they said about him, but I'm not sure I have time (I have a bunch of 'downers here! <3) Just off the top of my head I'm the most suspicious of Eönwë and Inzil right now, and McCaber seems possibly the most innocent. I'll have another look at yesterDay's posting and reply some quotes from yesterDay and toDay once I have a bit more time.

[Thinlómien]

Just quickly looking at this without the context:

Morsul-->McCaber
Lommie-->Gal
Legate-->Gal (2)
Gal-->Legate
Dun-->Legate (2)
McCaber-->Legate (3)
Sally-->Legate (4)
Cop-->Legate (5)
Shasta-->Gal (3)
Nerwen-->Legate (6)

Inziladun actually looks pretty good so I might take back what I said about him just a minute ago (or then he's really sneaky). McCaber looks equally good.

Sally and Cop were basically beating a dead horse, so their votes prove nothing. Morsul's vote is equally informative.

Shasta baffles me, especially as he said (if I recall correctly) something like "woops, I didn't realise Legate already had so many votes". That's so incriminating that it shouldn't be incriminating but maybe it is because it's Shasta whom I can see more likely doing double-bluffing than bluffing.

[Morsul the Dark]

Lommy - G55 (G55 1)
Legate - G55 (G55 2)
G55 - Legate (G55 2, Legate 1)
Inzil - Legate (G55 2, Legate 2)
McCaber - Legate (G55 2, Legate 3)
Sally - Legate (G55 2, Legate 4)
Cop - Legate (G55 2, Legate 5)
Shasta - G55 (G55 3, Legate 5)

I hadn't realized the lynch was so in favor of Legate. Hmm....

Shasta seems disappointed Legate has more votes at this point. That "hmmm..." just strikes me as odd.

[Galadriel55]

I wouldn't be surprised at all if she was the cobbler (who failed big time yesterDay)

No, I did not fail big time yesterDay. I big time won the game yesterDay. I am not the Cobbler. I am not a Wolf either. Nor a Ranger. As it happens, I am not an Ordo either.

If you didn't get it yet, I am the Seer.

(go on, shake your heads, roll your eyes, I won't blame you for it.)

My original original plan was to keep my head down. Well, I failed at that big time. Interpreting the events of Night2 as I have already said yesterDay (that part of my fake-reveal was completly true) I realised that I will most likely be killed on Night3, since the Ranger cannot protect the same person twice in a row. I could reveal. Or I could give the wolves a darn good reason not to kill me that Night. So I started playing the Cobbler with Legate.

However, at that point I had one known innocent in addition to Legwolf. My plan rested on communicating to him/her that I am the Seer and Legate is the wolf, as a back-up. Unfortunately, the said innocent did not respond to me in time, and I did not dare to go full-scale cobbler until I got confirmation from them. When I realised that Legate wasn't buying my half-hearted cobbler attempt, I changed my plan. I still had to give a reason for the wolves not to kill me the following Night, so I revealed as the next best thing - Ordo.

I admit that my biggest fear this Night was that I would still be killed, either because the wolf did not trust a word I said about my un-Seerness, or simply because they thought I would bee to much of a trusted/known inocent. My hope was that someone would look more Seerish that I did to the wolf (whom I did not know yet), or at least more profitable to kill. And, here I am, with a third name up my sleeve. I dreamed Inzil.

Unfortunately, I cannot give you his role, other than that he is a baddie. I know I'm not supposed to quote the Mod's PMs, but I don't really have a choice. Lottie said that Zil is Legate's "henchman", and I am not sure if that refers to the cobbler or the other wolf. I've bombarded her with PMs asking for clarification, but she has not answered yet. I will tell you Zil's role as soon as I get a reply. Either way, he is evil. I am more inclined to think wolf, but I'm not taking chances.

I will not be here for a good chunk of the Day, but I will be back a couple hours before DL. So if you have any questions I should answer - either now or at the end of the Day.

By the way, I am waiting with the name of the innocent, and I will or will not reveal it depending on Inzil's role.

[Coppermirror]

Dropping in quickly, just have time to ask one question.

Anyway, I remain unconvinced by Galadriel. I wouldn't be surprised at all if she was the cobbler (who failed big time yesterDay), but as it's pretty obvious she's not a wolf I think we can leave her be.

Could you explain what you think G55 might have been trying to do yesterDay, if she was the Cobbler? You seem to have an idea there.

YesterDay I thought there was an outside chance that G55 was the cobbler, but only if it was all a shockingly big scheme to get a Seer-Legate. But Legate was a wolf. Right now I haven't got a scenario in mind where G55 could possibly be a Cobbler.

Edit: cross-posted with G55! I'm surprised. I thought she might be the Ranger.

[Morsul the Dark]

generally speaking evil means wolf, most cobblers are revealed to seers as innocent.

Though you're asking us to swallow you picked two wolves in a row... We'll have to see if someone tries to counter you.

[Galadriel55]

generally speaking evil means wolf, most cobblers are revealed to seers as innocent.

Lottie did not say evil. She said henchman. That means Zil is evil, but it's unclear whether cobbler or wolf.

And Lottie said that the cobbler appears as cobbler to the Seer.

Though you're asking us to swallow you picked two wolves in a row... We'll have to see if someone tries to counter you.

I do recall a game where Seeromer picked two wolves in a row in the first two Nights, and for such a silly reason that it was almost unbelievable. That's much more impressive than two wolves in a game. Plus, I don't know 100% yet that Zil is a wolf, I just think he's more wolf than cobbler. Once again, I'll tell you what his role is when Lottie clarifies.

As for how it happened that I dreamt Inzil... I made a list of people I was considering: Nerwen, Eonwe, Inzil, Lommy, and Cop. And one by one I discarded them until I was left with Inzil. Lommy looked more like cobbler material, and I wanted to get a wolf. Cop I felt that if she's a wolf the village would be able to figure her out. Eonwe and Nerwen I discarded based on why they are suspicious; they didn't feel that wolvish to me. Then I factored in the possibility that my dream will come out innocent, and I still got that Inzil would be the most useful to know. Hence, Inzil.

[satansaloser2005]

generally speaking evil means wolf, most cobblers are revealed to seers as innocent.

Morsul is correct, though I honestly believe "henchman" would indicate cobbler rather than wolf, especially since it seems no confirmation of alignment was given. Assuming Gal is telling the truth, I believe Lottie will clear up the issue when she has a chance. In the meantime, I'm going to see who else I suspect.


EDIT: x'd with Gal

[satansaloser2005]

I do recall a game where Seeromer picked two wolves in a row in the first two Nights, and for such a silly reason that it was almost unbelievable. That's much more impressive than two wolves in a game.

And then there's the amazing Nerwen.... :rolleyes:

[Eönwë]

Ok, I've finally caught up. And wow, a lot seems to have happened.

Well, it's nice to see a gamble pay off with a wolf-lynch. It's a little disquieting though that G55 is still with us. Would she not have been a tempting target as a potential Seer? Still, maybe the Ranger was a deterrent.
The three most likely options I see are:
They didn't actually vote her the Night before last, so the ranger could indeed have protected her.
She is a wolf.
The wolves want us to believe that she's a wolf.

Given that I can't see anything particularly incriminating about her and that I have limited time toDay (this is turning out much worse in terms of time than I expected), I'm going to leave her for toDay, especially as she'll be in the spotlight the whole time anyway for the rest of the game.

At the moment, I think I need to give Lommy and Shasta a closer look.


edit: Whoa, it looks like I hadn't clicked send. This was before G55's reveal.
edit 2: fixed formatting

[Eönwë]

If G55 is the Seer
Zil is either the wolf or cobbler. It makes sense to kill him either way.

If G55 is another innocent
It would be very risky and end in her getting killed toMorrow.

If G55 is the cobbler
This is exactly what she'd do. She'd die toMorrow, after taking out an extra ordo.

If G55 is a wolf
She thinks she's found the cobbler, and is willing to give xem up to look good.



Of course, her claim of henchman is an issue, because it means that either she's telling the honest truth or she's claiming something out-of-game, which is much worse than McCaber's "I didn't realise the game was starting until toDay".


So, at the moment, I'm inclined to believe that it'd be best to go along with her reveal.

[Eönwë]

Ok, so I'm going to go in about an hour, but I pretty much think that going with Zil seems the best option at the moment. If anyone's around with a differing opinion, now would be a good time to tell me.

[Inziladun]

Well, it seems G55 is the Cobbler after all. I would not advise the real Seer to do anything risky.

[Eönwë]

Well, since I'll most likely not be back (though I should be free for most of toMorrow)

++Zil

[Thinlómien]

Great... so either G55 is the seer or the cobbler. I'm more likely to believe she is the seer and we can just try it by lynching Zil.

I bet the henchman thing is something Lottie threw in to make the game a bit more interesting when the village is totally owning the game.

If G55 is the cobbler, she's just going to win her team one more day, and what then? We're still winning. I guess G55 could be a wolf trying to play time but that would be such a ridiculous gamble that it would be only cool.

So, without further ado

++Inzil

If the game doesn't end now, we'll see tomorrow.

[Morsul the Dark]

I suppose testing her claim isn't too bad an idea...

++G55

[Morsul the Dark]

Gah! I was thinking about G55 and meant to vote zil...

flipping....freaking why did I do that..

[Inziladun]

Cobbler or not, she's trying to get me killed, so

++G55

[McCaber]

Listen, G. I was willing to give you innocent, but I have reasons to believe you're not the seer you claim to be.

++G55

[Loslote]

Sorry, guys! I was away from the Internet for about twenty-four hours, and had a RL friend open the Day for me. I had no idea henchman was not clear. I've replied to G55, but to clear up confusion - yes, to me, henchman does mean partner in crime, not blind supporter. AKA, wolf. My apologies - I did not mean to mislead G55.

[McCaber]

Sorry, guys! I was away from the Internet for about twenty-four hours, and had a RL friend open the Day for me. I had no idea henchman was not clear. I've replied to G55, but to clear up confusion - yes, to me, henchman does mean partner in crime, not blind supporter. AKA, wolf. My apologies - I did not mean to mislead G55.

Well ****. There goes any attempt at what I can try to do toDay. Shot down by the Word of Moddess herself.

[satansaloser2005]

That....that's a bit more specific than I was expecting. Okay then. :rolleyes:

[Loslote]

Well ****. There goes any attempt at what I can try to do toDay. Shot down by the Word of Moddess herself.

I'm sorry. I considered waiting for G55 to get back so that it wouldn't be, you know, instant death, but since it was my mistake and my being gone that caused the problem, I didn't want to risk G55 not being able to get back in time. This whole kerfluffle was badly done on my part. I'm really very sorry about that. :o

[McCaber]

I'm sorry. I considered waiting for G55 to get back so that it wouldn't be, you know, instant death, but since it was my mistake and my being gone that caused the problem, I didn't want to risk G55 not being able to get back in time. This whole kerfluffle was badly done on my part. I'm really very sorry about that. :o

It's ok. I panicked when I tried the counter-reveal gambit and kicked myself afterwards for a good five minutes.

[Inziladun]

Well then. Snowcream all around? :p

[Morsul the Dark]

So basically the mddess came in and said Zil is the wolf... so...

everyone vote so we can win(Ignore my stupid vote) :rolleyes:

[McCaber]

I just wanted some coal for Christmas to keep my family warm. Everyone knows the best way to get coal is to be as naughty as you possibly can.

Except it didn't work! I was so bad I killed Santa, but it turned out I was working for him the whole time and had RUINED EVERYTHING!

[Inziladun]

I just wanted some coal for Christmas to keep my family warm. Everyone knows the best way to get coal is to be as naughty as you possibly can.

Except it didn't work! I was so bad I killed Santa, but it turned out I was working for him the whole time and had RUINED EVERYTHING!

Don't take on so, my lad. Your loyalty is noted. ;)

[Inziladun]

Frosty the Snowman was an anti-Christmas fiend
With his buddy Claus he watched the cheer
and it really got him steamed.

Frosty the Snowman had a really special plan
To off the village and emerge unscathed
Saying "Lynch me if you can!"

There must have been some bad luck when
that first kill went awry
For when he sent it to the Mod
He could only sigh.

O, Frosty the Snowman still thought he had a chance
So he checked the wind and bussed his mate
Without a backward glance.

Thumpety thump thump
Thumpety thump thump
Look at that bus go
Thumpety thump thump
Thumpety thump thump
Much to Legate's woe.

Frosty the Snowman knew the Seer began with "G"
But he thought "She's likely a Ranger pick"
And he had to let her be.

Down in the village
The Seer gave a shout
"I know the wolf and now we can
Get this mess sorted out.

Get the gallows nice and ready
For a lynching here this Day.
We'll laugh and smile and have a toast
As the evil goes away."

For Frosty the Snowman it was a dreary time
Evil schemes and victorious dreams
Turned suddenly on a dime.

Thumpety thump thump
Thumpety thump thump
Let's do Frosty in
Thumpety thump thump
Thumpety thump thump
But he will rise again! :p

[Galadriel55]

Back and reading.

Zil is a wolf.

[McCaber]

Back and reading.

Zil is a wolf.

Little bit redundant there.

[Loslote]

Back and reading.

Zil is a wolf.

Sorry, dear. I didn't know if you'd be back, and it was late in the Day, so I spilled the beans for you. :o

[Morsul the Dark]

Well uh.... friends?
Thus the game Ends
All nice and quick
just Frosty to kick
in the end Christmas was saved
and you little poppits can rave
at least until next year
then I must say with fear
I think I'll dressup my good friend Max
And load my sleigh up with Sacks
and away with your trees and toys
there will be no happiness or joy
I must to mny cave to plan and scheme
A world without noise, now there's the dream.

[Galadriel55]

Little bit redundant there.

I didn't know Lottie updated you already, I just read those posts. And, by the way, you're all awfully quiet.

++Inzilawolf

Thumpety thump thump
Thumpety thump thump
Let's do Frosty in
Thumpety thump thump
Thumpety thump thump
But he will rise again! :p[/I]

So you will in a future game, I'm sure! :) Too bad I dreamt you and you didn't kill me, as I was sure you would have.



Shastanis Rangerduin, or Zil, whoever happens to be around - what exactly happened on Night 2? Judging by Zil's comments it looks like I wasn't the pick after all. In that case, all this scheming was such elaborate paranoia on my part. :rolleyes:

I feel like two things. Firstly, I got to be the phantom for a Day. And secondly, I feel like one of the characters from a comedy movie, or like one of the Three Stooges, or something like that. I did so many incredibly stupid things, and yet it turns out ok in the end.


EDIT: xed with Lottie and Morsul

[Galadriel55]

Sorry, dear. I didn't know if you'd be back, and it was late in the Day, so I spilled the beans for you. :o

I'm just sorry that you had to confirm the truth of the dream as you did it. I guess that the word of a Mod convinces the village like no Seer can. ;)


By the way, Cabbie, what? You're the cobbler? I was like a gazillion percent sure it was Lommy! Especially after I found out that Zil is evil. She buddied up with both him and Legate yesterDay. Oh goodness!

[McCaber]

I'm just sorry that you had to confirm the truth of the dream as you did it. I guess that the word of a Mod convinces the village like no Seer can. ;)


By the way, Cabbie, what? You're the cobbler? I was like a gazillion percent sure it was Lommy! Especially after I found out that Zil is evil. She buddied up with both him and Legate yesterDay. Oh goodness!

Yeah. I felt that Legate drawing attention to himself with scurrilous attacks was not something he'd do as a wolf. Imagine my shock when it turned out he was.

On the plus side, I did get to make this post (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=678174&postcount=41), so I guess it was all a wash.

[Coppermirror]

I get back late and the game is over and I basically don't need to cast my vote any more...:smokin:

But oh well, I will anyway! ++Inzil

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Phooey. The mod ruins your big reveal, so you get to ruin mine? I see how it works. :rolleyes:

Anyway, Lommy had it correct. Nerwen was killed because the wolves failed to kill her on the previous Night. :Merisu: I didn't protect anyone last Night on purpose - I had realized that G55 was probably the Seer, but was pretty certain the wolves would go after Nerwen again; if I protected G55 and the wolves killed Nerwen as I suspected they would, I wouldn't be able to protect her toNight. G55 revealing Inzilawolf wraps things up nicely, though.

++Inzil

[Coppermirror]

I shall sprinkle incense upon the poor of Christmastown, in celebration of these tidings. Indeed, we have changed the path of the future and erased our Doom.

Tiny Tim McCaber, it is unfortunate that you who were once so full of cheer became weary. Ignorance and Want do indeed lead you humans astray...

But Frosty the Snowman! You, who has a heart of snow, chose to betray us all, along with Santa Claus. It's too late for Legate Claus, but I suggest we try to rekindle the joy of Christmas within poor Inzil the Snowman. Let us sing carols to him for every hour of every day.

Do we really need to lynch him? No, no! Christmas cheer will be enough. Re-education. It worked for Scrooge. I'll gather my ghostly siblings and we shall apply our skills of persuasion. Between scaring him and jolly meals, it will surely work. Tiny Tim McCaber, you should come along too.

[Galadriel55]

Phooey. The mod ruins your big reveal, so you get to ruin mine? I see how it works.

I'm sorry? :Merisu: Please?

http://dvice.com/pics/shrek_cat.jpg

Anyway, Lommy had it correct. Nerwen was killed because the wolves failed to kill her on the previous Night. I didn't protect anyone last Night on purpose - I had realized that G55 was probably the Seer, but was pretty certain the wolves would go after Nerwen again; if I protected G55 and the wolves killed Nerwen as I suspected they would, I wouldn't be able to protect her toNight. G55 revealing Inzilawolf wraps things up nicely, though.

*headdesk* So basically all my nervewracking Day2 scheming was for nothing. *goes to beat head on the wall a couple times*

I guess I should have realized, but I already fake-revealed/hinted as so many roles that it wouldn't have made a difference at that point. But I should never have underestimated your skills with this game. :smokin: That's some first-class Ranger scheming, if I may be a judge in such matters.

[Galadriel55]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rQj7ng8bcyY

[Galadriel55]

Incidentally, I still haven't told you the stupidest of my incredibly stupid things I did this game. I haven't even dreamt Legate on Night1. :eek::rolleyes: My first dream was Shasta.

[Coppermirror]

And the third one was Inzil. So, who was the second dream?

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by Shasta
Anyway, Lommy had it correct. Nerwen was killed because the wolves failed to kill her on the previous Night. I didn't protect anyone last Night on purpose - I had realized that G55 was probably the Seer, but was pretty certain the wolves would go after Nerwen again; if I protected G55 and the wolves killed Nerwen as I suspected they would, I wouldn't be able to protect her toNight. G55 revealing Inzilawolf wraps things up nicely, though.
*headdesk* So basically all my nervewracking Day2 scheming was for nothing. *goes to beat head on the wall a couple times*

I guess I should have realized, but I already fake-revealed/hinted as so many roles that it wouldn't have made a difference at that point. But I should never have underestimated your skills with this game. :smokin: That's some first-class Ranger scheming, if I may be a judge in such matters.
Some first-class Seer-scheming also. You fooled the wolves, after all.

[Loslote]

Final DL. You all can keep talking, though. Inzil was lynched and is the final wolf (:eek:) and the game is over. Final narration to follow.

[Galadriel55]

Some first-class Seer-scheming also. You fooled the wolves, after all.

Fooling myself half a dozen times in the process. Realistically, we weren't supposed to win, I wasn't supposed to dream of both wolves, and I certainly wasn't supposed to survive to tell the tale considering how many blunders I've made. I don't get how that happened. I seriously have the feeling that I've just been part of one of these comedy (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dcELyKkOAak)films where despite everything going ridiculously wrong everything ends up right.

And the third one was Inzil. So, who was the second dream?

Legate. At first I thought to bluff and dream someone else, and try to piece Legate together based on reactions, but then I thought that the wolves could bluff and double bluff too, and I wouldn't get the picture anyways, and what if I'm killed/lynched and everyone thinks Legate is wolf while he's really innocent... so I ended up dreaming him.

Don't trust:
Legate
Dun

sally, what did you bribe the Psychic Man with to get him to share his secret? ;)

[Inziladun]

Some first-class Seer-scheming also. You fooled the wolves, after all.

Indeed. We'd discussed getting her Night 2, but decided she was a likely protect. :rolleyes:

You were a last-minute pick as the possible Ranger.

I took the chance that my attack on Legate would deflect attention away from me long enough to allow me to get her.

[Inziladun]

For those keeping track, that's two games in a row a wolf-me has been dreamt. :rolleyes:

[Galadriel55]

Indeed. We'd discussed getting her Night 2, but decided she was a likely protect. :rolleyes:

Well, what can I say? Shasta knows his business far better than I do.

And my scheming only began after the fact... and was quite pointless in the end because it was based on a false assumption.

[Boromir88]

I took the chance that my attack on Legate would deflect attention away from me long enough to allow me to get her.

After being lynched and guessing then Lottie kindly satisfying my curiosity on the roles. I thought

"woah, both wolves voted for me...Risky but that was probably going to be their best chance to lynch me and while the opportunity was there they might as well take it."

And of them, I was convinced Legate's vote looked the furriest...Shasta's had been reasoned as sort of the best choice in a bad set of options for him, and while your vote shocked me the most could have been explained away as self-preservation.

Then upon hearing G55 dreamed you the previous night I was sad-facing because the dynamics had been setting up I just couldn't tell what would happen next. Both wolves voted the same Day 1...Inzil casts a critical vote for Legate and the cobbler also voted for the wolf.

I was dreaming up a scenario that if Inzil could possibly pull off a convincing case G55 was the cobbler there remained a small chance. But that also meant G55 could not be killed, or the gig was up, and you would also have had to identify the cobbler to somehow get on the same page. So really...no chance, but I was semi-rooting for you today. (In the end avenging my unjust lynching wins out. Fantastic job, go village!) :p

[Coppermirror]

McCaber was a good Cobbler. He managed to get away with literally saying "I'm the Cobbler wolves please don't kill me", which takes some nerve, and nobody specifically picked him up on it. His effort at a fake seer-hint toDay was valiant.

G55 did an amazing job as the Seer, so congrats! She managed to pick out Legate as a wolf on Day 1 despite not dreaming of him until Night 2, and picked out Inzil for Night 3. The whole fake reveal then real reveal gambit was excellently handled.

Shasta was very crafty. At the end of yesterDay I was thinking that he seemed like an innocent Shasta in tone, but some of the things he was saying and doing at the end of Day 2 were suspicious. And given toDay's revelation, they were evidently on purpose! Nicely done.

Legate did well in not being taken in by G55's Cobbler act.

[Galadriel55]

Legate did well in not being taken in by G55's Cobbler act.

Legate did far better than that. He was freakish on Day2 when he was around, so much that I wrote in my notes next to his name something along of the lines of "I hate his guts". No, not really, but I was so mad and frustrated because I just couldn't catch him and he was way stronger than I was, even though I knew who he was and he could only guess who I am.

PS: Legate, it's all my fault. ;)

[Loslote]

The first words the next morning came from Valkotukka. "Who's next, Rudolph?" asked the small boy.

"Wait!" cried Jack Frost, "we're missing somebody."

Everyone fell silent. They had hoped the mysterious guardian had kept the last murderer at bay again - but it seemed that was not the case. "Where's the Sugar Plum Fairy?" asked Little Cindy Lou Who with a bit of a scream to her voice. Everyone shared a look, then ran to the card shop over which the Fairy lived.

"Sugar Plum?" called Cindy as she burst through the door. The Ghost, having skipped the door and floated right through the bedroom wall, floated down, moaning.

"The poor woman," he wailed. "Suffocated with her own cards! The ones about Santa, too. What a wicked, cruel beast!"

Cindy sank to her knees, sobbing.

"Who did it?" Paksu asked. "Rudolph, please say you know!"

"I think I might," Rudolph said. "I'm not sure, though. I could be wrong..."

"You weren't wrong before!" the Grinch encouraged him. "Who do you think it was?"

"Well," Rudolph said slowly, "I know Frosty's evil. I don't know if he's a murderer, though!"

"Frosty?" Tiny Tim asked. "That's ridiculous!"

"I agree," Frosty said, "especially considering you're trying to get me killed!"

"She's right," said Jack Frost. "I should know - I remember now - I was the guardian who saved Sugar Plum the first time, and I don't know why I didn't recognize you earlier!"

"It must be Frosty," Paksu said.

"If you killed Sugar Plum," Little Cindy Lou Who said, getting to her feet, her tears frozen on her cheeks, "you're going to pay."

"What do you mean?" Frosty asked nervously, backing away from the furious Who.

"Does anybody have a hair dryer?"

"Come, now!" Frosty protested. "That's just cruel!"

"And suffocated Sugar Plum wasn't? Electrocuting Suzy wasn't?"

Frosty spread his arms innocently. "C'mon, now, forgive and forget! You don't want to stoop to my level, do you?"

"Y'know, I think I'm feeling a bit stoopy," Cindy snarled.

"I'm with you," Jack said. "I never did get my payback for Suzy's death - or at least, not enough."

"You can borrow my travel-size, if you like," Cindy offered. She ran inside to fetch the hair dryers.

"Any last words?" Valkotukka asked.

Frosty hemmed and hawed for a minute, then tried to make a break for it. The Christmastowners chased him down the streets of town until he hollered stop, out of breath. "Do what you like," he huffed. "Christmas is ruined this year, anyway. Christmas is ruined forever!"

"Yours is, anyway," Jack said, turning on the hair dryer Cindy had just passed him. While the Grinch and the polar bears held him still, the two grieving Christmastowners slowly melted him down.

"Better destroy the hat, too," warned the Ghost, "or we'll never be truly safe. Not that we will anyway..."

"Wait, wasn't this what you were warning us about?" asked Tiny Tim, surprised.

"Nonsense," the Ghost said. "This is nothing. Disappointing, yes, but nothing compared to what is coming."

As Cindy took vindictive scissors to Frosty's magic hat, Tiny Tim's eyes shone in renewed hope.

Living

Sally - Little Cindy Lou Who
Shasta - Jack Frost
G55 - Rudolph
Coppermirror - The Ghost of Christmas Present
Steve - Valkotukka
Morsul - The Grinch
McCaber - Tiny Tim
Lommy - Paksu

Dead

Lottie - Suzy the Snowflake - Moddess
Boro - Olive the Other Reindeer - Ordo
Legate - Santa Claus - Wolf
Nerwen - The Sugar Plum Fairy - Ordo
Zil - Frosty - Wolf

The game is over. The village wins! :D

[Nerwen]

Fooling myself half a dozen times in the process. Realistically, we weren't supposed to win, I wasn't supposed to dream of both wolves, and I certainly wasn't supposed to survive to tell the tale considering how many blunders I've made. I don't get how that happened. I seriously have the feeling that I've just been part of one of these comedy (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dcELyKkOAak)films where despite everything going ridiculously wrong everything ends up right.
Ah, but let me tell you my reaction last Night, after learning the result of the lynch. Even though I'd been inclined to trust you, I thought your stated reason for saying Legate was a wolf rested on some pretty dubious assumptions. And yet– he was a wolf. "Luck?" I asked myself. "Or– could it be that G55 is actually the Seer? That would be awesome!" And so it was.:smokin:

EDIT:X'd with final narration.

[Galadriel55]

Ah, but let me tell you my reaction last Night, after learning the result of the lynch. Even though I'd been inclined to trust you, I thought your stated reason for saying Legate was a wolf rested on some pretty dubious assumptions. And yet– he was a wolf. "Luck?" I asked myself. "Or– could it be that G55 is actually the Seer? That would be awesome!" And so it was.:smokin:

In that case, I suppose I'm simply glad you were not the wolf. :cool:

[Thinlómien]

Ah, but let me tell you my reaction last Night, after learning the result of the lynch. Even though I'd been inclined to trust you, I thought your stated reason for saying Legate was a wolf rested on some pretty dubious assumptions. And yet– he was a wolf. "Luck?" I asked myself. "Or– could it be that G55 is actually the Seer? That would be awesome!" And so it was.That was my thoughts exactly, except that I first thought she must be an unlucky cobbler and then I figured out she must be a lucky seer and I thought everyone figured that out before me. Sorry for playing suspicious on the last Day though, I thought it might be the only way to help you (Gal) survive the game longer! Fortunately that wasn't necessary.

By the way, Cabbie, what? You're the cobbler? I was like a gazillion percent sure it was Lommy! Especially after I found out that Zil is evil. She buddied up with both him and Legate yesterDay. Oh goodness!You simply overestimated my wolf-finding skills. Although, to be fair, I voted Inzil on Day1 on gut-feelingy reasons and before I rechecked the votes on Day3 I suspected him too on gut-feelingy reasons. So seems I have a good inzildar but I just shouldn't mix logic with it. ;)

Anyway, Lommy had it correct. Nerwen was killed because the wolves failed to kill her on the previous Night. Glad I had something right. ;) Anyway, am I imagining things, or are you always protecting her on Night2? :p

Now I need a new game! This was certainly too short and "easy" to satisfy my werewolf-hunger.

[McCaber]

Shasta, you played a heck of a game. I was pretty sure you were the ranger but you didn't give me anything I could use to discredit you, and your protections were spot on. G55, nice seering. Eying out two solid picks in two straight nights is an accomplishment, especially against a team like Inzil/Legate. Inzil, it's too bad they caught you early. You're a cold enough customer that if you didn't get seered I could easily see you turning the game around after Legate bit it early.

McCaber was a good Cobbler. He managed to get away with literally saying "I'm the Cobbler wolves please don't kill me", which takes some nerve, and nobody specifically picked him up on it. His effort at a fake seer-hint toDay was valiant.

Many thanks. Although I'm pretty sure this is the only time I've lost out of the four I've played the cobbler, this one was definitely a fun one. I do wonder if the wolves picked up on that secret hidden message, though.

Now I need a new game! This was certainly too short and "easy" to satisfy my werewolf-hunger.
This. I've been away for far too long, and this in no way satisfied my WW pangs. I didn't even get to vote for myself!

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Ah well. I guess our ancient WWing losing streak together with Zil is not going to get better with this game, not at all, preciouss. I doubt it could have gone worse, actually. Spot-on Seer picks, a Ranger save on our first kill, heavy suspicion of Zil from the start and then me...

Absolutely congratulations to G55, though, and all the honor - is it your Seer-debut? Because that was just deadly aim. It seemed to us on Day 1, if I recall correctly, that you were acting weird, but to the point that it seemed weird to consider you being the Seer - possibly Ranger or somesuch, or that's what I thought. On Day 2, I was wondering whether you aren't the Cobbler, but then I saw that whatever you were doing was not very Cobbler-wise and that you were getting yourself killed (aka "a 180 turn at the beginning of the Day about me, is that normal?"). My thoughts on Day 2 were "she must be absolutely the worst Cobbler I have seen in a while". Alas, you weren't, instead you were the best Seer I have seen in a while. *Hat off*

Shasta's save was also an important factor, though that was more random stroke of luck, since our original plan was not actually to go for Nerwen. Also, one of the picks was G55, whom we still debated, because we feared she might be protected (!) - had we killed her, things might indeed have been possibly markingly different... Lommy and Cop were the other two options for our first kill... I am sure Zil can better elaborate what happened :)

So, G55, why exactly did you go after me on Day 1, if you have dreamt of me only on the second Day?

Anyway, I think I have been saying it during the last few games I have played, because it was always like this, after a long pause; it is really nice to play WW again. Even if for just this short while. (After the initial crisis of Day 1, when I thought I might lose Zil already, I have actually been quite hopeful... especially once G55-wagon seemed to start rolling... and then she had to reveal. Ah well.)

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Many thanks. Although I'm pretty sure this is the only time I've lost out of the four I've played the cobbler, this one was definitely a fun one. I do wonder if the wolves picked up on that secret hidden message, though.

We have considered you being a Cobbler, actually, you were one of the tops, but I am not aware of any message... so what message was it?

sally, what did you bribe the Psychic Man with to get him to share his secret? ;)

And I second this. That positively scared me.

[Inziladun]

Shasta's save was also an important factor, though that was more random stroke of luck, since our original plan was not actually to go for Nerwen. Also, one of the picks was G55, whom we still debated, because we feared she might be protected (!) - had we killed her, things might indeed have been possibly markingly different... Lommy and Cop were the other two options for our first kill... I am sure Zil can better elaborate what happened :)

Well, I decided you could be right about G55 being protected, so she was out. The more I looked at it, the less Gifted Cop and Lommy appeared. Then the Good Idea Fairy showed up and convinced me Nerwen could be the Ranger. She was also a good bet for a trailless kill, so I thought "Why not"? Stymied there by bad luck and good Ranger intuition. :rolleyes:

By the way, I'm glad we had that talk about bussing. ;) I thought the wind was blowing for a Legate-lynch, and nothing I did would stop it. If I tried, I might be setting myself up as a Seer target. Once again though, nefarious plans come to nought,

[Galadriel55]

Absolutely congratulations to G55, though, and all the honor - is it your Seer-debut? Because that was just deadly aim. It seemed to us on Day 1, if I recall correctly, that you were acting weird, but to the point that it seemed weird to consider you being the Seer - possibly Ranger or somesuch, or that's what I thought. On Day 2, I was wondering whether you aren't the Cobbler, but then I saw that whatever you were doing was not very Cobbler-wise and that you were getting yourself killed (aka "a 180 turn at the beginning of the Day about me, is that normal?"). My thoughts on Day 2 were "she must be absolutely the worst Cobbler I have seen in a while". Alas, you weren't, instead you were the best Seer I have seen in a while. *Hat off*

Thank you for your compliments! But you flatter me. Most of it was just luck and failed plans.

This is my second time as Seer. My first was way back when in Boro's game.

But did you actually consider me as a possible cobbler for so long? I thought you were thinking about it, but then thought better in your last posts, which is why I got desperate and grabbed the last role out there that might not be targeted.

So, G55, why exactly did you go after me on Day 1, if you have dreamt of me only on the second Day?

I suspected you based on feel. And I knew it was really dangerous to do this, in case I'm killed and you're actually innocent, but I didn't suspect Boro much anymore by voting time, and you were my only suspect, and I couldn't explain it better than "feel" because there wasn't much to explain, and I din't have time to hint at Shasta either (and didn't want to overdo it and risk him getting killed)...

By the way, I'm glad we had that talk about bussing. ;) I thought the wind was blowing for a Legate-lynch, and nothing I did would stop it. If I tried, I might be setting myself up as a Seer target. Once again though, nefarious plans come to nought,

Actually, a major factor in my dream choice was how easily you seemed to go along with what I said. I was thinking "he's so supportive it seems like he's overdoing a bit of fake feeling". I guess bussing is a tough business - you can't hesitate too much, you can't not hesitate too much...

But, Zil, why did you go for Nerwen on Night3? The Ranger cannot self-protect. Was it just the trusted innocent factor?

[Inziladun]

But, Zil, why did you go for Nerwen on Night3? The Ranger cannot self-protect. Was it just the trusted innocent factor?

That, and a frustrated desire to get a certain kill.

[Galadriel55]

By the way, before I forget - what's "Roger, wolf tower"?

[McCaber]

We have considered you being a Cobbler, actually, you were one of the tops, but I am not aware of any message... so what message was it?
Top post of page 2, where I said "I'm the Cobbler wolves please don't kill me."

[Shastanis Althreduin]

By the way, before I forget - what's "Roger, wolf tower"?

Way back, in a game Glirdan hosted, Rikae and I were packmates, and Nerwen a Lover whose purpose was to find me. I hinted to her early on (obviously not something hard to do ;)) and Rikae mentioned at the end of the game that she was worried it would come back to bite us - Nerwen had responded to something I said, and Rikae thought it looked too obviously like acknowledging my wolfishness - hence, "roger, wolf tower!"

[satansaloser2005]

Top post of page 2, where I said "I'm the Cobbler wolves please don't kill me."

When you said that, I thought to myself, "You know, a McCobbler would absolutely do that." I wasn't going to point it out for the benefit of the wolves though, of course, and I wasn't entirely sure you were the cobbler anyway (as opposed to a wolf hinting at cobblerism).