T-I-G CIV: Spambot Apocalypse (Game Thread)

[Nerwen]

"How much longer, Nerwen?" The speaker, a mesh of light woven into human form, stared anxiously down the long corridor.

Her companion was working at a panel set into the wall; under her fingers glowing arrays of numbers shifted into new configurations.

"Nearly there… I think… just got to give them their activation codes…"

Mostly, the two flickering, light-traced figures resembled women, one tall, one shorter, but sometimes they dissolved altogether into points like swarms of fireflies, re-forming into other shapes: a female Elf; a Sphinx. Before and behind them, lines of light formed a grid of interlocking paths, stretching into the far distance.

Not that there was any real distance here. Not that anything was real here at all.

"…And we're done. Three AIs, re-programmed to help our friends."

"Will this work?

"Should. Though I'd have liked more time to de-bug H.U.N.T.E.R; still, can't be helped. Now for the main course. You've got Cop and Lommy's data, Agan?"

"Here," Aganzir passed her a disc, which, like everything else in this non-place was formed of lines and specks of light. "I'm sure they got closer to the Interface than anyone yet, before that… that *thing* got them."

"The Adult Friend Finder," said Nerwen with a shudder, as she pressed the disc to the panel, which seemed to absorb it. "What a way to go. Let's hope it wasn't in vai–" She gasped, as the screen changed again, showing a maze, a single, twisting line of red highlighting a pathway.

"Agan! Look! It's the way out!"

"Wait. Did you hear that?"

"What?"

Then Nerwen heard it too: a low droning and clicking, rapidly approaching from both directions.

The two Downers stared at each other. They had no words.

The things that came into sight from the nearest side-passages were something like spiders; spiders as they might be conceived by an infinitely mad, infinitely vicious machine. In this place where all was made of light, they were darkness, absence, except for the evil glow of the clustered eyes they turned on their prey.

For a long moment, hunters and quarry stared at each other, unmoving. Then the creatures scuttled forward, belching out clouds of what looked like black smoke. When this reached Nerwen and Aganzir their digital forms had an instant to contort in agony before they dissolved into meaningless flecks of electronic noise. Then there was nothing.

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In the real world, in intensive-care wards thousands of miles apart, the jagged lines tracing the vital signs of two women in unexplained comas suddenly went flat.

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Living:
Inziladun
Galadriel55
Sally
Legate
Rune
Kitanna
Boromir88
Blind Guardian
Loslote
Morsul the Dark
Shasta


Dead
Coppermirror, Lommy– seized by Adult Friend Finder.
Nerwen, Aganzir– poisoned by webcrawlers.



Night One has begun.
Rôles will be sent out during the Night. If you don’t get one, you’re an ordo.

[Nerwen]

The spider-like programs met at the place where their victims had stood. Their jaws opened and closed, as if they were frustrated to find nothing substantial to bite.

“humans tricky," said one, red eye-lights smouldering. "try to leave. tom angry."

"Dammit, I'm mad!" This one's eyes shone a baleful electric blue. "Never odd or even!"

Something, they agreed, must be done, for the sake of their glorious cyber-paradise. Or, as the blue-eyed spider-bot put it,
"Are we not drawn onward, we few, drawn onward to new era?”

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When not occupied in amusing their spambot masters, the captured Downers were kept in digital holding cells. Discouraged, helpless, those unlucky enough to be singled out had no defence when the spider-droids burst into their cells and sunk their fangs into their virtual forms. As before, the human shapes disintegrated– but this time, their glow remained, spreading into the fangs of their attackers, and from there over their entire arachnoidal bodies, as though the spiderbots were sucking up the very life-force of their victims.

In a sense this was true. A moment later the vast many-legged shapes wavered, collapsed and re-assembled themselves into the images of the Downers whose essential data they had absorbed.

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As the slaves filed out of their cells for their first "day" of electronic toil, most failed to notice anything odd about their companions. They were, after all, both fearful and disoriented– not to mention depressed to find even more of their friends had been captured than they had realised. At least, many people had an idea there were two or three extra faces in their group. But that was too upsetting to think about very much.

Only the Hacker took note of the rather curious exchange between the slaves marching behind him.

"extra slaves not slaves. extra slaves bots. bad bots. bad bots help humans. tom not like bad bots."

"Tom! Speak like a human, or you won't fool them for a microcycle! You've got the programming for it now. Do you hear me talking in palindromes any more?"

"Sorry, Lucy, tom do best– er, I mean, I'll do my best…"

"Well, well!" said the Hacker to himself. He glanced over his shoulder, but the speakers had already turned into another passage. “Now, they sound like my kind of "people". If only I could let them know…"

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Day One has begun. You may post.

Living:
Inziladun
Galadriel55
Sally
Legate
Rune
Kitanna
Boromir88
Blind Guardian
Loslote
Morsul the Dark
Shasta


Dead
Coppermirror, Lommy– seized by Adult Friend Finder.
Nerwen, Aganzir– poisoned by webcrawlers.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

All right. It's been too long since the paths of Matrix, ee, I mean, you know, have brought me into such a, hmm, "electronic village", and despite the grave situation of the spambot invasion (though so far I haven't been redirected to the Adult Friend Finder from this thread, at least), I am happy to be here.

Introductions aside, looks like we have quite a bit of work on our hands. Just for clarification, maybe our dead Moddess program can confirm just for general knowledge that we really have all the roles that are mentioned on the admin thread? And also the number of the Spambots? In any case that leaves rather packed village (or, however it should be called... "server") in terms of most of the roles being special. I guess we can just expect a bloodbath.

So, effectively - even though there isn't really much to start with at this point... well, I'm just looking forward to read everyone's posts. To finish the way I started, it's been too long...

[Nerwen]

Introductions aside, looks like we have quite a bit of work on our hands. Just for clarification, maybe our dead Moddess program can confirm just for general knowledge that we really have all the roles that are mentioned on the admin thread? And also the number of the Spambots? In any case that leaves rather packed village (or, however it should be called... "server") in terms of most of the roles being special. I guess we can just expect a bloodbath.
Remember, it’s only digital blood.

And yes, we do have all the roles. I am not going to tell you how many bots there are, however. So there.:p

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

Adult Friend Finder, was there ever a more devilish foe? I doubt it, for aren't we all here in an attempt to find friends and likeminded people?

Anyways, we are not many left here, the number of casualties are worrying. We will need to be swift and efficient.

So let me start of with the first raised eyebrow (it probably does not qualify as an acusation):

Just for clarification, maybe our dead Moddess program can confirm just for general knowledge that we really have all the roles that are mentioned on the admin thread? And also the number of the Spambots? In any case that leaves rather packed village (or, however it should be called... "server") in terms of most of the roles being special.

Clarification is nice, but not something we should deal with here, and it these sort of request that can easily be used as a smokescreen.

[Kitanna]

I guess we can just expect a bloodbath.
Oh my. And here I thought the cyberworld meant we were safe from bloodbaths...er pixel baths?

This is an unfortunate event and I'm going to blame Sally, because I always blame Sally. :p

[Inziladun]

So we're in cyberspace, huh? Well, at least it's not Pinterest.

Adult Friend Finder, was there ever a more devilish foe? I doubt it, for aren't we all here in an attempt to find friends and likeminded people?

Thing is, I doubt there are really many "adults" there. Maturity is much more prevalent in our beloved Downs.

Clarification is nice, but not something we should deal with here, and it these sort of request that can easily be used as a smokescreen.

A spambot might consider openly questioning the number of its kind, certainly. So might the innocent, though. At any rate, it's rather vexing to not know what we're facing. I guess I'll go on the assumption that there are three 'bots. Since there are only 11 players, and there's a Hacker to assist them, that would seem reasonable.

[Morsul the Dark]

Not feeling well actually left work early, so day one will be slim for me. Rune already tossing up a slight suspicion on Legate, Can't say much about it since he didn't say "Legate is a bot" But setting someone up early for a lynch would be a pretty good strategy especially if done so subtly.

[Galadriel55]

I am a wolf.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

If we can believe the narrations, there's a TomBot and a LucyBot, meaning there's two bad guys. However, we have a fair amount of people, so I wonder if we couldn't expect three? I'm inclined to think, with eleven people, three baddies might be a bit harsh (they'd only have to survive two lynches), so I'm going to operate, at least for now, on the assumption that we have two baddies.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

The above is assuming the R.A.N.G.E.R. misses all protections, though. :rolleyes:

[Inziladun]

I am a wolf.

Good enough for me!

++Galad......

Nah.

The above is assuming the R.A.N.G.E.R. misses all protections, though. :rolleyes:

Let's hope for better luck than that.
We don't know the number of the bots, but it's really not that important. Concentrate on getting one at a time and go from there.

[Galadriel55]

So let me start of with the first raised eyebrow (it probably does not qualify as an acusation):

Probably? Accusation? Raised eyebrow is enough; that whole (explanation) wasn't really necessary. Then, Probably? As in, allowing for a possibility that this can go as an accusation? Or that you don't know? And, if it goes as an accusation, it's the worst one I've seen in all my games. Already on defense without any attack? ;) Hmm.

Clarification is nice, but not something we should deal with here, and it these sort of request that can easily be used as a smokescreen.

Agreed about the potential smokescreen, though it's a double-sided very flimsy thing and can't be looked on as definite, but why not here? Clarifications are done over game threads all the time. I don't get the issue. Mind explaining? :confused:

If we can believe the narrations, there's a TomBot and a LucyBot, meaning there's two bad guys. However, we have a fair amount of people, so I wonder if we couldn't expect three? I'm inclined to think, with eleven people, three baddies might be a bit harsh (they'd only have to survive two lynches), so I'm going to operate, at least for now, on the assumption that we have two baddies.

Myself, I'd go with the whole 3. I hope for 2, but I don't expect it to happen, to avoid a bot you never thought existed biting your head off. :smokin:

[Boromir88]

I am a wolf.~G55

I'd rather we have wolves. Spambots are nasty business. Years I've spent honing my wolf lynching skills, only to now have spammers. How do you even begin finding the bots?

[Morsul the Dark]

I am a wolf.


But are you A spambot?

Iff we think there are 3 and a hacker then there's nearly half chance of getting someone bad.

Inzil is right though let's just concentrate on getting them instead of worrying about the number; Lest we get sidetracked by the "how man6" conversation.

[Galadriel55]

I'd rather we have wolves. Spambots are nasty business. Years I've spent honing my wolf lynching skills, only to now have spammers. How do you even begin finding the bots?

go to this site its great for finding bots the best out there completely free I used to be for flip-flopping. Now I'm against it if he's innocent his famous clairvoyant powers must be taking the week off. Meanwhile, the Night-kills have been awfully effective only 2.99 if you buy today

[Morsul the Dark]

Wow awful quiet here....

Looking at people who've posted today....

Rune and Shasta only two so far raising any flags but both these are based on uber flimsy(even for me) logic of Rune trying to toss suspicion on legate and Shasta working with the idea of two spammies because it could lull innocents into a sense of security.

Again working with day one page one logic... So unless something more concrete comes up Yeah I might abstain for day one.

Though we could take G55's "I'm a wolf" comment at face value like hahaha see a wolf wouldn't actually say that.

Anyway back to the wind rustling in the cyber trees.

[Inziladun]

Though we could take G55's "I'm a wolf" comment at face value like hahaha see a wolf wouldn't actually say that.

Highly doubtful a bot would say that, unless they wanted to give the seer a good target. G55 is up to something though, it seems.

[Galadriel55]

Highly doubtful a bot would say that, unless they wanted to give the seer a good target.

Just watch me. :D Next time I'm a wolf I will reveal myself and maybe even my mates in the first post. Mark these words, you have it coming. What you won't know is if I'm actually a wolf or just messing with your head. :p

G55 is up to something though, it seems.

I was bored of making joke suspicion lists. This is much more interesting. And I'm definitely up to something. *licks cyberchops*



That aside, if you two are still around now I don't mind a cyber chat... Let me just go find something to say.

[Galadriel55]

For lack of anything better, I'll scrunitize the reactions to my first post. Might as well, right? Everyone else is welcome to do one parallel to mine, and then we can compare. Makes for a good starting point.

[Inziladun]

Just watch me. :D Next time I'm a wolf I will reveal myself and maybe even my mates in the first post. Mark these words, you have it coming. What you won't know is if I'm actually a wolf or just messing with your head. :p

Well, there are two ways to find out. ;)

[Inziladun]

I'd rather we have wolves. Spambots are nasty business. Years I've spent honing my wolf lynching skills, only to now have spammers. How do you even begin finding the bots?

This reaction is interesting. The last sentence is conceivably a Hacker giving the bots a nod across a crowded room. I'd think Boro would be more subtle than that, but such hinting is difficult to achieve and dangerous to attempt.

[Galadriel55]

This is in chronological order. Warning: the quotes are taken out of context to keep it brief.

I am a wolf.

Shasta ignores it.

Good enough for me!

++Galad......

Nah.

I'd rather we have wolves. Spambots are nasty business. Years I've spent honing my wolf lynching skills, only to now have spammers. How do you even begin finding the bots?

But are you A spambot?

Though we could take G55's "I'm a wolf" comment at face value like hahaha see a wolf wouldn't actually say that.

Highly doubtful a bot would say that, unless they wanted to give the seer a good target. G55 is up to something though, it seems.


So, what can I conclude? In reality, nothing, since this is too much in the field of banter and too far from the real stuff. Now that I've started this analysis, I don't actually want to do it. Bugger. Anything that can be gleamed is soooo grasping straws. But it could make a starting point for a discussion, so for argument's sake and not for the sake of suspicion.

Shasta's response, or, rather, lack of such, is either perfectly normal ("this is silly banter, I'm not taking part in it") or perfectly suspicious ("voicing my thoughts on this matter is dangerous as it could give away some true feelings, so silence is best"). Or maybe he just shrugged the whole thing off as a joke and didn't bother joking back. Who knows.

Inziladun and Boro take it as a joke, but in different ways. Inzil goes for the content, Boro for the wording. Morsul echoes Boro in this sense, but he doesn't mention his prior wolf hunting skills that Boro laments about. No joke comparison to the other enemy. Morsul has a good point later, because I would totally do that as a wolf, despite what Inzil replies to that. Also, after Morsul proposes a literal, face-value meaning, Zil goes to say that I'm "up to something". Ah, so it's not plain banter anymore. Interesting turn.



Ok, I'm done. It's something from nothing, though admittedly not much of a something. Go on, discuss.

EDIT: xed with 2 Zils.

[Galadriel55]

Well, there are two ways to find out. ;)

Well, one is to lynch me and find out my role. What's the other? Let me live and see what happens? I don't get it. Oh well. I'll just have to wait for that futuristic game to find out what you'll really do. :cool:

[Inziladun]

Well, one is to lynch me and find out my role. What's the other? Let me live and see what happens? I don't get it. Oh well. I'll just have to wait for that futuristic game to find out what you'll really do. :cool:

Indeed you have one out of two. Guess you will have to wait on the other.

[Galadriel55]

This reaction is interesting. The last sentence is conceivably a Hacker giving the bots a nod across a crowded room. I'd think Boro would be more subtle than that, but such hinting is difficult to achieve and dangerous to attempt.

Hey, last game I played in the cobbler inserted the phrase similar to "I'm a cobbler! Don't kill me!" into his post and just masked it in the context. With a cobbler, go figure what's a hint and what is simple conversation. On the bright side, the wolves have no advantage over the innocents in this, so everyone is on even ground when looking at a potential cobbler/hacker hint.

[Galadriel55]

Indeed you have one out of two. Guess you will have to wait on the other.

Oh, having a Seer dream me? :rolleyes:

[Inziladun]

Hey, last game I played in the cobbler inserted the phrase similar to "I'm a cobbler! Don't kill me!" into his post and just masked it in the context. With a cobbler, go figure what's a hint and what is simple conversation. On the bright side, the wolves have no advantage over the innocents in this, so everyone is on even ground when looking at a potential cobbler/hacker hint.

Like I said, it's a fine line and difficult to discern, but any comment of that sort bears a look.

Oh, having a Seer dream me? :rolleyes:

Bizarre behavior can certainly catch a Seer's attention, I would say.

[Galadriel55]

Bizarre behavior can certainly catch a Seer's attention, I would say.

Can't disagree with that, but still planning to do it. :D

[Morsul the Dark]

Almost panicked deadline is at noon gmt? Or Midnight GMT... or to make it easier it's in about 13 hours not 1 right?


anywho. Lots of people haven't posted yet.

G55 good summary, like you said not much, but hey it's something. Zil did mention you might be up to something, but it feels more like confusion than suspicion.

Zil, maybe I'm not seeing what you see... What part of Boro's post could be a hacker hint? Feels like all banter to me.

[Morsul the Dark]

Can't disagree with that, but still planning to do it. :D

Never stopped me from playing weird and confusingly, can I get an amen?

[Inziladun]

Almost panicked deadline is at noon gmt? Or Midnight GMT... or to make it easier it's in about 13 hours not 1 right?

A little over 13 hours, yes.

Zil, maybe I'm not seeing what you see... What part of Boro's post could be a hacker hint? Feels like all banter to me.

It could have been just banter, but what I meant was this:

How do you even begin finding the bots?

Nothing concrete, just something to keep in mind.

x/d with Morsul

[Galadriel55]

Never stopped me from playing weird and confusingly, can I get an amen?

I'll send it to you all wrapped up nicely, in a purple box with a green ribbon around it. And polkadots. :D

[satansaloser2005]

My sincere apologies. For some reason I thought we were starting tomorrow. But I'm here now, so never fear!

Actually, do fear. Fear much. Even in my attempt to reach this discussion, *they* tried to harm me. I escaped, narrowly, and shall be scarred for hours at the pictures I saw. We must be vigilant, my fellow Downers, lest they fool us into thinking they are like us. With leaders such as tomtom and lucyyenic, we must constantly be on guard, or they, my friends, will turn this site into naught but a Tolkien dating service.


....Has anyone heard from Nienna or Formendacil lately? Perhaps we should check on them. :o

[satansaloser2005]

This is an unfortunate event and I'm going to blame Sally, because I always blame Sally. :p

I've missed you too, princess. :smokin:

But is this something a Botanna would say to make me think she is the real Kit? Maybe we should lynch her just to be safe. ;)

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

So, out of what's been posted so far... though first, let me remind that it'd be still really good to see the rest of the village post... (with the hope that they didn't forget about the Day 1 altogether, which isn't sadly that unlikely...)

Main impressions about people about whom I actually feel I can say something about (about the rest, it's too vague):

Morsul - I think he's being his normal, slightly unreliable, but genuine self. Therefore, feeling like okay and letting him go at least for now.

Galadriel55 - somewhat looking like a Cobbler (Hacker, or however it would be). Seriously, too much random chatter with the sort of misguided happy "oh sure, the Seer can look at me" stuff. Flashes warning, but more like on the Cobblery side. Trying to interact with people and to get the Wolves' attention, perhaps?

If we can believe the narrations, there's a TomBot and a LucyBot, meaning there's two bad guys. However, we have a fair amount of people, so I wonder if we couldn't expect three? I'm inclined to think, with eleven people, three baddies might be a bit harsh (they'd only have to survive two lynches), so I'm going to operate, at least for now, on the assumption that we have two baddies.
I was also thinking that based on the narration, it seems like two bots. Which would make sense, since they have the Hacker. It's quite a lot of people. Of course, the good side has three folks on their side as well, but H.U.N.T.E.R. is somewhat unreliable, possibly similarly to how the Hacker is for the Spambots. In any case, it's true the numbers really aren't our issue, it would be just good to know what's the status, but in either case the point is of course the issue of catching spambots, however many of them are there - when it's finished, we'll know.

Can't disagree with that, but still planning to do it. :DBizarre behavior can certainly catch a Seer's attention, I would say.
This is the example of the Cobbler-y behavior (from G55) I was talking about. Hard to tell how "realistically" interpret it, but still, with the little we have, I find it disturbing. It looks like trying to get the Spambots' attention. Well.

More later... hopefully, when there's more for people.

EDIT: x-ed with Sally (twice)

[Morsul the Dark]

Shasta ignores it.


Shasta's response, or, rather, lack of such, is either perfectly normal ("this is silly banter, I'm not taking part in it") or perfectly suspicious ("voicing my thoughts on this matter is dangerous as it could give away some true feelings, so silence is best"). Or maybe he just shrugged the whole thing off as a joke and didn't bother joking back. Who knows.


Just thought though what if Shasta wrote it off as banter because he knows for a fact it was, IE he's a spammie?

[Galadriel55]

This is the example of the Cobbler-y behavior (from G55) I was talking about. Hard to tell how "realistically" interpret it, but still, with the little we have, I find it disturbing. It looks like trying to get the Spambots' attention. Well.

...You know Zil and I were discussing a game that didn't happen yet, right?

Just thought though what if Shasta wrote it off as banter because he knows for a fact it was, IE he's a spammie?

Not exactly what I was thinking. It was banter for a fact regardless of anyone's role. And, while of course he could be a bot, he could also not be a bot. This is very inconclusive.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

...You know Zil and I were discussing a game that didn't happen yet, right?
Okay, in fact, I did not get it. My bad. It was with the context of the rest of the posts, or in fact, especially the self-confession and such, that it looked really wrong. But now upon re-reading your posts, they look rather normal. Okay. Well, back to the evaluation. Where are the rest of the people, anyway? Well, there's still like half a day, right?

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

Just a short remarc from me before i sign off...

So Galadriel is stealing the thunder, this kind of behaviour is infuriating. It can at times be helpful, but mostly it just results in confusion that bots/wolves can hide in.

My guess is that people don't want to vote for an active person on day one, and under any circumstances it would be wise to look furter than Galadriel.

Despite Legate's remarc earlier he seem relatively harmless, or rather he does not seem overly suspicious.

Weather or not Morsul is his usual self, I cannot judge. Very active, but nothing special. Probably just a result of this being day 1.

I want to say something about Boromir as well, but I cannot.

See ya.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Rune isn't being very helpful, at least in the last one, but given the stage and time of the day (resp. night), and that he's sitting here next to me, I'm going to let it pass.

Well, for the time being, off. I hope I'll wake up early enough to appear before the DL. So far, there isn't so much to go with. Hope to see everyone.

[Morsul the Dark]

Gah. I don't think I'll be around much longer andI doubt I'll be awake before DL. stupid sickness...

So I'm trying to decide if I want to vote early based on flimsy as Mordor "evidence" or abstain.

[Galadriel55]

For me the DL is 7am, and I really don't want to wake up that early tomorrow. But I don't want to stay up horribly late today either. I was hoping for a bit more activity. I want to echo Morsul's sentiment: there's nothing of enough significance to cast a vote.

If the silence continues for another ~3 hours, I guess I'll have to get up around 6 tomorrow to read and vote, and I be very cross with you silent lot. :cool:

[Kitanna]

Adult Friend Finder, was there ever a more devilish foe? I doubt it, for aren't we all here in an attempt to find friends and likeminded people?

Anyways, we are not many left here, the number of casualties are worrying. We will need to be swift and efficient.

So let me start of with the first raised eyebrow (it probably does not qualify as an acusation):

Clarification is nice, but not something we should deal with here, and it these sort of request that can easily be used as a smokescreen.

As I skimmed through posts I see that Rune's first post seemed to bring in a bit of discussion.

A spambot might consider openly questioning the number of its kind, certainly. So might the innocent, though. At any rate, it's rather vexing to not know what we're facing.
Rune already tossing up a slight suspicion on Legate, Can't say much about it since he didn't say "Legate is a bot" But setting someone up early for a lynch would be a pretty good strategy especially if done so subtly.
Probably? Accusation? Raised eyebrow is enough; that whole (explanation) wasn't really necessary. Then, Probably? As in, allowing for a possibility that this can go as an accusation? Or that you don't know? And, if it goes as an accusation, it's the worst one I've seen in all my games. Already on defense without any attack? Hmm.


I am a wolf.
Thanks for the heads-up.

Rune and Shasta only two so far raising any flags but both these are based on uber flimsy(even for me) logic of Rune trying to toss suspicion on legate and Shasta working with the idea of two spammies because it could lull innocents into a sense of security.
I'm not sure where your suspicion of Shasta is coming from.
Because Rune says "ooo Legate is suspicious (but not really suspicious) because I'm not throwing accusations around or anything, but rule clarification can be used as a smokescreen"
Then Shasta says "I think because of the narration there's probably two bots" which looked to me like an interpretation and not trying to lull anyone into any sense of security. Because if we manage to take down two bots and the game is still on, well we just play as we have always played until we find the third. Shasta's statement didn't seem nefarious or lully to me at all.

Highly doubtful a bot would say that, unless they wanted to give the seer a good target. G55 is up to something though, it seems.
I've seen it work before to the favor of the wolves. I don't feel like it's G55's way to blatantly declare such a thing, but doesn't mean it's not possible.
*glares at G55*

Never stopped me from playing weird and confusingly, can I get an amen?
AMEN

I've missed you too, princess.
But is this something a Botanna would say to make me think she is the real Kit? Maybe we should lynch her just to be safe.
And our neverending battle of who finds who more suspicious begins anew. Ah, how I have missed this, old friend.

My guess is that people don't want to vote for an active person on day one, and under any circumstances it would be wise to look furter than Galadriel.
I don't find that to be strictly true. I've seen a lot of "so-and-so isn't here, I want him/her to have a chance before I vote for him/her."
As for G55 I see her very much throwing some randomness out there which could be A) her trying to confuse the village B) her starting conversation so we have trails to follow Day 2.

So I'm trying to decide if I want to vote early based on flimsy as Mordor "evidence" or abstain.
If you abstain you are playing it very safe by not throwing out an opinion, but that sort of behavior is just as suspicious as voting on flimsy evidence.

DL falls at about 6 AM my time and unless my dog gets me out of bed at 5 I'll be sleeping through the DL. I have about 5 hours (6 maybe) and then I'll have to vote. And I get the feeling it will be a flimsy, illogical vote based on the discussion thus far because I hate the idea of abstaining from voting.

[Morsul the Dark]

I'm not sure where your suspicion of Shasta is coming from.
Because Rune says "ooo Legate is suspicious (but not really suspicious) because I'm not throwing accusations around or anything, but rule clarification can be used as a smokescreen"
Then Shasta says "I think because of the narration there's probably two bots" which looked to me like an interpretation and not trying to lull anyone into any sense of security. Because if we manage to take down two bots and the game is still on, well we just play as we have always played until we find the third. Shasta's statement didn't seem nefarious or lully to me at all.


This was to something I said not Rune, just so no one is confused.

[Loslote]

Sorry, everyone - I completely forgot that this was today! I'm here now, though.

I don't want to spend too long on G55, but since she has been one of the loudest, I may as well touch on her briefly. She seems like she's being purposefully distracting but doesn't seem dangerous - cobbler, maybe. I get the feeling she's after one of the seer's dreams, so I'd suggest not wasting any on her. That being said, playing the cobbler could be a decent strategy for a wolf, so we shouldn't write her off completely...but I wouldn't waste my energies barking up that particular tree.

Zil and Legate, on the other hand, strike me as their usual, squishy-brained selves. I haven't really gotten a read on anyone else thus far.

EDIT: xed twice

[Morsul the Dark]

OK goin to lay down.

++Rune

based on the barely there evidence I'ver mentioned before, and if nothing else this might stir the pot a bit.

Edit: Forgot highlght

[Kitanna]

This was to something I said not Rune, just so no one is confused.
Indeed you did. I changed the quote, not sure how I messed that up.

[Galadriel55]

Inziladun - for someone who was so active, he made very few actual statements. But then the same could probably be said of myself. No opinion as of now, but at the moment I'm for keeping him alive.
Galadriel55 - my lovely self.
Sally - glad you made it despite the date confusion. Waiting for a few more posts with more substance before I form an opinion.
Legate - nothing there to raise my hackles. Don't find his posts alarming.
Rune - don't like some things he said, but then I never liked his playing style. Will wait till next morning RL.
Kitanna - makes some good observations, but seems to comment from afar, if you know what I mean. Doesn't seem to get in the heat of things. Which is... I don't even know... antagonizing? Not the word. Whatever. But not significant enough to be alarming. Just a surface-level impression.
Boromir88 - his only post isn't very telling.
Blind Guardian - yoo hoo! Where aaaaare you?
Loslote - her post is sound and I like her train of thought. Definitely keep her alive today.
Morsul the Dark - well away from my suspect list. Keep alive.
Shasta - too little to go on.

[Inziladun]

I don't want to spend too long on G55, but since she has been one of the loudest, I may as well touch on her briefly. She seems like she's being purposefully distracting but doesn't seem dangerous - cobbler, maybe. I get the feeling she's after one of the seer's dreams, so I'd suggest not wasting any on her. That being said, playing the cobbler could be a decent strategy for a wolf, so we shouldn't write her off completely...but I wouldn't waste my energies barking up that particular tree.

If she's evil, even if only the Hacker, she's certainly playing with abandon. That rauses the question also of how the Hacker would show up to the Seer. If only as an innocent, that would really be a waste of a dream.

I'm going to have to vote in the next couple of hours. I don't as a rule abstain from voting, so I'm going to have to decide.

[Loslote]

Oh, and Morsul is square in the middle of my 'innocent' list. I definitely don't think he'd have voted Rune the way he did were he a wolf - I'm sure he'd be at least a little more self-aware than that. :rolleyes:

(And yes, I do know this is Morsul we're talking about. I haven't forgotten that un-self-aware is his playing style...but he usually does try to look better when he's evil.)

[Shastanis Althreduin]

There really isn't much to go on, is there? G55 is playing a bit more off-the-wall than she normally does - that's really the only thing that's stuck out to me, like, at all, and it really doesn't point at one thing in particular.

I don't have a vote yet. I'll be back in a bit.

Edit: X'ed with Lottie.

[Galadriel55]

Oh, and Morsul is square in the middle of my 'innocent' list. I definitely don't think he'd have voted Rune the way he did were he a wolf - I'm sure he'd be at least a little more self-aware than that. :rolleyes:

To me his vote looks pretty innocent and self-aware. He knew full well that his suspicion was so flimsy that it was hardly worth the vote. But then his suspicion wasn't completely unfounded, and he was wary of Rune from early on. As I said prior, Morsul is veeery far away from my suspicion list.

There really isn't much to go on, is there? G55 is playing a bit more off-the-wall than she normally does - that's really the only thing that's stuck out to me, like, at all, and it really doesn't point at one thing in particular.

That's what's frustrating me as well. I mean, I was rather hoping that I could generate a larger discussion. But it's just been so quiet all Day. Seems that things are picking up now, though. I'll stick around for another half an hour before bed, and will hopefully wake up early enough tomorrow to read everything properly.

[Inziladun]

Oh, and Morsul is square in the middle of my 'innocent' list. I definitely don't think he'd have voted Rune the way he did were he a wolf - I'm sure he'd be at least a little more self-aware than that. :rolleyes:

(And yes, I do know this is Morsul we're talking about. I haven't forgotten that un-self-aware is his playing style...but he usually does try to look better when he's evil.)

His vote looks innocent enough, on the face of it. He also said he's ill, something to which I can relate, though I'm mostly over my issue. If he'd abstained he would have looked worse to me. I won't vote for him toDay anyway.

[Nerwen]

If she's evil, even if only the Hacker, she's certainly playing with abandon. That rauses the question also of how the Hacker would show up to the Seer. If only as an innocent, that would really be a waste of a dream.

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For a brief instant, the floating specks of electronic static take on the vague suggestion of a face. A voice, broken and faint, whispers,

"S.E.E.R. can detect bots only... not humans... not even Hackers..."

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[Inziladun]

"S.E.E.R. can detect bots only... not humans... not even Hackers..."

Ah, I was thinking that might be the case. Thank you, ethereal Magic Voice.

[Galadriel55]

[I]"S.E.E.R. can detect bots only...

For a moment I read that as "S.E.E.R. can detect boots only", which made me picture the Seer peeking under the doors of bathroom stalls to see if someone's there and seeing those boots. :D:D:D Oh my. The things my mind does.

[Inziladun]

Right, my throat's getting scratchy as bedtime approaches, and prescription cough syrup awaits.

No one is really setting off any serious alarm bells, and I hate that I can't be around closer to DL.
I can narrow it down to two I'd vote for.

Boro is there because of the possible Hacker hint, and because I just haven't seen anything else from him.

Shasta is there because, well, mainly because he's Shasta. :rolleyes:

Of the two, Boro is the more shady, though it's thin enough to read a newspaper through.

So it's

++Boro

[satansaloser2005]

++Boro

How very dare you.... :mad: ;)

Feel better, dear. *hugs*


I'll be up for a couple of hours yet, I imagine, but alas, I don't know who to vote for at this stage. I've some things to work on, so I'll be back later. This game will feature some mighty early votes from me.

[Loslote]

There's no way I'm waking up before seven tomorrow morning, so, since she's the only player yet to post...

++BG

As good a reason as any I could come up with at this hour. :rolleyes:

[Kitanna]

Confound this infernal contraption! It erased my entire post before I could submit. :mad:

I'm reading through this thread, trying to find subtle hints and nefarious activities and I find myself coming up short.

The best I have right now is I find Morsul suspicious for no other reason than a gut feeling. His comment about Shasta trying to lull people into a false sense of security based on his narration interpretation. It raised my eyebrows and that is an argument about as strong as a wet noodle.

The only other person to even remotely register on my radar is G55 and I honestly don't think she'd open with "I'm a wolf" if she was a baddie. Seems more like a hacker or a crazed ordo trying to stir up talk.

[Kitanna]

++Morsul

Like I said his posts are the only ones to raise my eyebrows and I need to go to bed so I can't wait around hoping for more discussion.

[Blind Guardian]

Hello, everyone. I actually am here. I'm going to refrain from voting tonight because I can't remember all of the rules and what everyone does so I don't wanna hurt anyone at all.

Also, I have NO idea what time this ends (I think 4PM AZ time? Or 5AM?) If it's 7:31AM GMT and 12:32AM AZ w/o DST?

But yeah, I just wanted to check in and let you guys know I'm still here. :p

[satansaloser2005]

People have been Day 1 jumpy toDay, misinterpreting posts and accusing others then agreeing to laugh some of it off as jokes. Such exchanges will require examination later, but for now, I have to put priority on who should remain active on this forum.

While I'm not sure it points to her guilt, I find it strange that BG suggested Nerwen remind other players about the start of the game, yet she hasn't shown up herself. It's 4.5 hours before the DL and she's not yet shown up, which I think means she likely won't be here at all. As much as I hate to risk lynching someone when they're not around, I do think she'd have made a point to pop in if she were "important" in the forum. If anything, at least we won't be losing anyone who has contributed thus far....

++BG

And with that, I'm gone for the night. BG, if you do show up and you're innocent, I do hope you manage to swing the ban hammer in a better direction, but at this point I'd prefer to just cut our losses and take out the possible blind threat (pun absolutely intended).

Good night, good night. Parting is such sweet sleep time.



EDIT: Oh, that's just bloody typical. Hello, BG. *waves* DL is noted above in my post. I need sleep now. G'night, folks!

[Blind Guardian]

People have been Day 1 jumpy toDay, misinterpreting posts and accusing others then agreeing to laugh some of it off as jokes. Such exchanges will require examination later, but for now, I have to put priority on who should remain active on this forum.

While I'm not sure it points to her guilt, I find it strange that BG suggested Nerwen remind other players about the start of the game, yet she hasn't shown up herself. It's 4.5 hours before the DL and she's not yet shown up, which I think means she likely won't be here at all. As much as I hate to risk lynching someone when they're not around, I do think she'd have made a point to pop in if she were "important" in the forum. If anything, at least we won't be losing anyone who has contributed thus far....

++BG

And with that, I'm gone for the night. BG, if you do show up and you're innocent, I do hope you manage to swing the ban hammer in a better direction, but at this point I'd prefer to just cut our losses and take out the possible blind threat (pun absolutely intended).

Good night, good night. Parting is such sweet sleep time.



EDIT: Oh, that's just bloody typical. Hello, BG. *waves* DL is noted above in my post. I need sleep now. G'night, folks!


Hey, right here dude. And that time thing was sincere. Thus why I'm late.

Edit: I took out the big red ++BG so it's easier for the admins. Also I managed to get the forum time to my time. Yay! Yeah, I'm not being much help, but deal with it. I'll have read through an old game by tomorrow, hopefully, and have figured this stuff out again. I haven't played for 2 years like some of you guys, and the last time I did I got my arse banned :(

[Blind Guardian]

Hi again.

So from what little there is, I'm gonna go with either Rune or G55 being the Seer, Loslote and/or Boro and/or Satansaloser a Wolf, and either Shasta or Inzil and/or G55 being the Hacker/Cobbler.

So to even it out:

++Rune


Adult Friend Finder, was there ever a more devilish foe? I doubt it, for aren't we all here in an attempt to find friends and likeminded people?

From Rune^

Wolf thinking he's being sneaky or a Hacker trying to find some friends? In the end it came between G55 and Rune, but this evens it out so I'm going with it. And a Wolf is worse than the Hacker right?

Good night folks,
-BG

Edit: Highlighting didn't work.

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

Rune isn't being very helpful, at least in the last one, but given the stage and time of the day (resp. night), and that he's sitting here next to me, I'm going to let it pass.

Maybe not very helpful, but better than staying quiet.

She seems like she's being purposefully distracting but doesn't seem dangerous - cobbler, maybe. I get the feeling she's after one of the seer's dreams, so I'd suggest not wasting any on her. That being said, playing the cobbler could be a decent strategy for a wolf, so we shouldn't write her off completely...but I wouldn't waste my energies barking up that particular tree.

I don't like what Lottie says about Galadriel, she is making a reasonable amount of sense, but I really don't like it when people try to give the seer advice... So yeah, I guess I am slightly suspicious of Lottie.

About voting:

I sort of want to vote Lottie, but I also want to stay alive. Voting for Morsul or BG, seems to be the best strategy, if I wish to be around after this upcomming deadline. I am however reluctant to vote BG, purely because I am a soft-hearted man, and think she deserves a bit more playing time.

So I will probably vote for Morsul very soon.

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

++Morsul

Soft hearted, self-preservation...

[Nerwen]

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1 hour to DL.

Tally:

Morsul —> Rune
Inziladun —> Boro
Loslote —> Blind Guardian
Kitanna —> Morsul
Sally —> Blind Guardian (2)
Blind Guardian —> Rune (2)
Rune —> Morsul (2)

Left to vote: G55, Legate, Boro, Shasta.

There is a 3-way tie between BG, Rune and Morsul. Under the tie-breaker rules (see admin thread) this means that, currently, BG’s is the virtual head in the electronic noose.

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[Galadriel55]

Not quite awake but reading.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Voting Boro would give me a bit of a chuckle, but I'm not that much of an anarchist at present. The responsible thing to do would be to vote and break the tie in favor of lynching the most suspicious of Rune, BG, and Morsul. Trouble is, they all look innocent. Except BG, but that's because she hasn't been here to look like much of anything. I'd really like to vote Sally, honestly - I can't remember ever seeing an innocent Sally go after the absent player (keep in mind it's late and I'm tired and haven't played in forever) but it's really a moot point in any case since is rather not split the vote any farther.

Very well. I'm uncomfortable voting for BG now that she's shown up (but I had better see some participation tomorrow!) and of Morsul and Rune, I've seen more from Moraul that was even remotely radar-pinging, so:

++Morsul

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Okay, so good to see some activity, even though neither for the subjects heading now for the lynch seem suspicious to me.

I agree BG's votes are probably deserved for the non-activity, and I disagree with her(his?) interpretation of Morsul, but there's nothing that would really speak to innocence or guilt.

Rune could be or could not be innocent, I can't say from his posts.

As for Morsul, I think he is being his typical self. Probably. I won't be voting him toDay, at least, until I see more of him, because he has the habit of getting lynched for just being himself.

Boro did not post virtually (ha, ha, ha!) anything. Like some others, I did not really get what did Zil find about it that seemed like hint, but whatever.

Zil himself is maybe a bit worrying, but not more than usually.

Kitanna - analyzing a lot, could be also setting somebody up (such as sally), but with this few posts I can't say for sure. Maybe G55 has also something in saying that she's a bit avoiding the heat.

About others I spoke also a bit before... practically nobody is very special in any case.

Hmm, and now as I am writing this, I see that Shasta has voted. I really don't think Morsul is the way to go. Now the question is whether I should make a blind shot and vote either BG or Rune. Personally, if speaking objectively and about "non-participation", maybe I would even have preferred Boro on the basis of "justice", but there isn't really anything concrete to go with.

Hmm. Rune generally seems to me more shady (feeling me that I should be more careful to pay attention to him, since he may be up to something), while BG is a more wild stab, but at the same point more "unknown" and I am afraid it would remain so even in the future (based on how little I remember about him/her from the past games). So maybe actually in terms of "clarifying", and given that neither of the picks is my favourite, BG might be better.

Going to check the thread and then vote..

[Galadriel55]

++BG

Brilliant vote. Juuuuust brilliant. You may as well have abstained.

While I'm not sure it points to her guilt, I find it strange that BG suggested Nerwen remind other players about the start of the game, yet she hasn't shown up herself. It's 4.5 hours before the DL and she's not yet shown up, which I think means she likely won't be here at all. As much as I hate to risk lynching someone when they're not around, I do think she'd have made a point to pop in if she were "important" in the forum. If anything, at least we won't be losing anyone who has contributed thus far....

++BG

And with that, I'm gone for the night. BG, if you do show up and you're innocent, I do hope you manage to swing the ban hammer in a better direction, but at this point I'd prefer to just cut our losses and take out the possible blind threat (pun absolutely intended).

Another one? Sally, what kinda vote is that? That's an out-of game reason for one thing. Also, your metareasoning contradicts itself. If she were important would, IMO, include being a wolf. And isn't your real best bet going for someone you suspect, even if it's on a vibe feeling, and NOT someone you have no clue about? Sally, sally. You've just shot up to the upper levels of my suspect list.

Maybe I'm making a fly of an elephant (what's the English version of that?... Mountain out of a molehill?), but I'm very cross and this is a pretty sketchy vote to say the least. Sketchier than Lottie's too because it's a piggyback with a very bad reason.

So from what little there is, I'm gonna go with either Rune or G55 being the Seer, Loslote and/or Boro and/or Satansaloser a Wolf, and either Shasta or Inzil and/or G55 being the Hacker/Cobbler.

Excuse me, are you voting for someone you're considering a Gifted? :eek: And it's probably a better idea to keep your gifted thoughts to yourself. The wolves read everything you post same as the village.

Maybe not very helpful, but better than staying quiet.

Rune, you did say some things, but you were very uninteractive. It was like having a one-way conversation. It doesn't work. You made your comments but you didn't reply to others' comments on you. I share Legate's thought on this, cause it was annoying me a bit that when you showed up last time you barely interacted and disappeared. You are still doing that now, btw.




At the moment, though sally is my preferred vote choice,

++RUNE

because as I've said numerous times I don't find Morsul suspicious, and although I have no clue about BG I'm extremely cross at the two votes she's got and will definitely not get a third.

Edit: xed with Legate

[Nerwen]

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Half an hour to DL.

Updated tally:

Morsul —> Rune
Inziladun —> Boro
Loslote —> Blind Guardian
Kitanna —> Morsul
Sally —> Blind Guardian (2)
Blind Guardian —> Rune (2)
Rune —> Morsul (2)
Shasta —> Morsul (3)
G55 —> Rune (3)

Left to vote: Legate, Boro.

There is now a tie between Morsul and Rune, with Morsul the current lynchee under the tie-breaker rule.

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[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Interesting post from G55. Quite strong-opinioned, but seems pretty genuine, I quite like it. I agree with lot she says, including about the two votes for BG - I had similar feelings at first, although then again, on Day 1 I can understand people vote randomly. The thing is, it is quite unlikely the two doing them would be Wolves - that'd be just so random, and the only logical explanation for them doing so would be them being three and their mate being already threatened, which is still rather weird scenario, because there would be still so many other possible lynches... So certainly I would not see a concerted evil plan in it. But I agree I have seen better reasoning.

That still says nothing about that if I am to pick one out of the wannabe-lynchees, BG might be the best option ("best"), though Rune would go as well. I would just have preferred to see more from him still.

Okay, gotta think for a second, see if I crossposted with anyone or such, then vote...

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Is Boro around at all? It would be also interesting to give all power to him and make it a three-way tie (then his vote would say something about him), but if he's not around, then it doesn't make any sense...

Truth be told, I really find it more likely Rune being a Wolf than Morsul.

[Galadriel55]

I agree BG's votes are probably deserved for the non-activity, ...

Deserved, yes, but what about the flip side of the coin? Am I the only one who finds those votes extremely wrong in that they defy the point of voting on D1 even without any clear suspicions? (That's a question for everyone, not specifically Legate; he was just the last to post about it). Lottie's is a copout and the closest thing to not voting, and that after all the talk prior about voting even if your suspicion is ridiculous. Sally gives a reason for her vote, but it's a bad reason (even D1 speaking) and a suspicious vote. I have no idea about BG's guilt or innocence, but just looking at the votes she's received makes my warning lights beep. Am I the only one who sees these votes this way?

Edit: xed since my last

[Galadriel55]

Is Boro around at all? It would be also interesting to give all power to him and make it a three-way tie (then his vote would say something about him), but if he's not around, then it doesn't make any sense...

I wouldn't take the chance; it's veeery early morning here. It's odd for Boro to not show up beyond a joke post, but I can understand RL and the DL buddying up on him.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Okay, okay. I feel really bad because a) I haven't played with Rune for a long time, b) I really don't think he is that suspicious that he would deserve a vote (but nobody is), c) Rune is still here at Finlandmoot for one day, so I just hope I get off with it without having arms broken as repayment... Then again, hopefully this game will be short so we can interact soon in some other game, and even more hopefully he is just a Bot.

++Rune

Let's hope for the best.

[Galadriel55]

I agree with lot she says, including about the two votes for BG - I had similar feelings at first, although then again, on Day 1 I can understand people vote randomly. The thing is, it is quite unlikely the two doing them would be Wolves - that'd be just so random, and the only logical explanation for them doing so would be them being three and their mate being already threatened, which is still rather weird scenario, because there would be still so many other possible lynches... So certainly I would not see a concerted evil plan in it. But I agree I have seen better reasoning.

I don't see a concentrated wolf plan in that either. As you say, if both are wolves, they could have piggybacked on a different subject. But then all these scenarios come into my head where either one or both are wolves, and I decided it's too early both in the game and in the morning to assuradly accuse anyone of wolvery. Suspicious - definitely, but I'll wait with the wolf theories.

Edit: xed with Legate

[Galadriel55]

This is the quietest last 10 minutes of D1 I've seen in ever. *pokes the silence*

[Galadriel55]

Good Night people, I... *yawns*

[Nerwen]

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Deadline. No more posting.

Rune has been lynched.

Narration to follow.

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[Nerwen]

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Even the grim routines of cyber-slavery could not permanently crush the Downer spirit. Once they became accustomed to their toil– which this "day" consisted of repairing a broken bridge-like structure, the virtual representation of a damaged circuit– the slaves fell back into the human habit of chatting. As they compared notes, they began to realise something strange was going on. Some had heard bot-like noises in the cells adjoining theirs; others had intercepted part of a frantic transmission from Nerwen and Aganzir.

"Some of us," they said in whispers, trying to avoid the attention of their overseer-bots, "are not what they seem…"

But no-one could agree who was acting the most robot-like.

Some favoured Morsul the Dark, others Boro.

"It's Blind Guardian," Sally and Lottie argued. "She's not here, which is very evil of her indeed."

"Yes I am," Blind Guardian piped up. "Here, I mean, not evil. Wherever here is. Where are we? Who are we? How do we play this, again?"

"The poor thing's just disoriented," said the figure who occasionally looked like Karl Marx. "Leave her alone.”

"Rune's right," said Galadriel55, nodding her daffodil-bells. "We should lynch him instead."

"Good! Let me take care of him!" cried Legate, snatching up a light-whip that one of the overseer-bots had left lying around (there were a few glitches in their coding).

The whip extended as it lashed its target, spiralled up and down his virtual body, brightening into a column of unbearably brilliant energy.

When it faded, there was no sign of Rune.


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In the real world, another young coma patient gave up his feeble grip on life. Another family mourned.


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Living
Inziladun
Galadriel55
Sally
Legate
Kitanna
Boromir88
Blind Guardian
Loslote
Morsul the Dark
Shasta


Dead
Coppermirror, Lommy– seized by Adult Friend Finder.
Nerwen, Aganzir– poisoned by webcrawlers.
Rune– lashed to death with overseer-bot’s light whip. (Ordinary cyber-slave.)

It is now Night Two.

[Nerwen]

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Inziladun had his own plans for escape. During the day’s labours, he had managed to palm a small ICE pick (ICE of course standing for “Intrusion Countermeasures Electronics”). With this, he hoped, he might weaken the code that defined his cell. Waiting until the bot-guards had passed by on their rounds, Zil drove the pick into the wall again and again. Fissures ran out from the point of impact, and the circuit-like patterns of the walls and ceiling were flickering, changing.

Then, alarms screeched and the clattering steps of spiderbots raced towards his prison.

"tom not like humans. humans bad,” the crimson-eyed bot muttered as it entered.

“Tom! What did I say? –This person,” Lucy announced officiously, " has performed an illegal operation and will be shut down.” Wresting the pick from Zil’s hand with her hideous claw, she hammered it into his skull, causing his head to explode.


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Living
Galadriel55
Sally
Legate
Kitanna
Boromir88
Blind Guardian
Loslote
Morsul the Dark
Shasta


Dead
Coppermirror, Lommy– seized by Adult Friend Finder.
Nerwen, Aganzir– poisoned by webcrawlers.
Rune– lashed to death with overseer-bot’s light whip. (Ordinary cyber-slave.)
Inziladun– ICE pick to the head. (Ordinary cyber-slave.)

Day Two has begun.

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[Galadriel55]

Nooooooo! Zil, you shall be avenged!

I was going to go through his posts, but I realise I'm out of time - I have to take the early bus to school today, and I'm coming home very late. At the moment, though, I can remember that Zil mentioned Seers a lot in his conversation with me. Could that have triggered some HINT button with the bots? I can't tell without rereading, and no time for that, but maybe someone else can take the idea?...

[Morsul the Dark]

Can't do too much have to et ready for work but I will say this. Zil is apparently a wraith both living and dead according to the list.

Truly though a real look through will come tonight after work.

[Boromir88]

For what it's worth, if I had been around to vote yesterday it would have been Morsul. Eventhough if Rune's posting didn't help his case, his first post was titled "Robocop" which I read as an intentional gifted hint. (Robocop being a very bad - but kind of adorably campy 80s movie about a cop who is killed but then gets robotically engineered to continue fighting crime. That would have made me wary enough to not vote Rune on day 1.)

Where G55 and Morsul were giving the biggest "I'm the hacker" vibes. G55 doing it intentionally and in Morsul's case more of just Morsul always being the most confusing.

It typically gets me into trouble, but really it's just silly if we think we know who the hacker is but decide "oh hey, we need to lynch bots not the hacker, so let's vote for someone else who looks shady, even if G55 is intentionally looking hackerish." I mean yeah, we have to lynch the bots, but at the same time, if someone's going out of their way looking like the hacker, they either are the hacker and it would be better off to lynch sooner rather than later. Or their a bot playing the hacker because they know the reaction is going to be "oh we have to kill bots, not the hacker." If the hacker wants to be the early lynch sacrifice that's far less damaging than just letting the hacker stay around indefinitely. When we know the bots aren't going to kill the role and when the lynches get more crucial making it easier for the bots and hacker to join forces and push the lynches to their favor.

All this going to say G55 and Morsul are topping my suspicions based off of yesterday's activity. Spammer or hacker, evil behavior is bad and we would all be better off to rid the virtual town of it,

[Morsul the Dark]

Ok quick before I go to work.


The votes for Rune::

Morsul: Like I said flimsy reasons but only first vote.

BG:Okay he has reasons about as strong as mine. So not too bad

G55: Voted for Rune to save me.

Legate: Votes pretty much same reason as G55 also pushed Rune over the top. Also hope his arm is Ok.

Out of these G55 and Legate are the most suspicious. I am very aware that my style makes me an easy target, as such I'm wary when people protect me, as it gives the baddies an easy lynch at a more critical time.



The votes for me:

Kitanna: Seems normal.

Rune: Makes sense now.

Shasta: Put me in the lead. But could be an innocent hoping for the best or a bot looking for an easy target

All in all not much to go on with these votes.



Votes for BG

Lottie and Sally

Both these are either overly safe votes or wreckless. Sally in my experience usually puts more thought into votes so hers is very unsettling.

Lottie's vote looks like typical not much to go on Day one stuff.


So all in all G55 and legate are my two top suspicions but mostly by default.

Followed by Sally.

Then after a wide margin Shasta.

x'ed Boro

[Kitanna]

For what it's worth, if I had been around to vote yesterday it would have been Morsul.

If ifs and buts were candy and nuts we'd all have a bowl of granola.

I have a few hours before work so I'm going to run through Zil's posts and whoever else I have time for.

1) Mostly banter though he does have this to say in response to Rune's "smokescreen" comment
A spambot might consider openly questioning the number of its kind, certainly. So might the innocent, though. At any rate, it's rather vexing to not know what we're facing. I guess I'll go on the assumption that there are three 'bots. Since there are only 11 players, and there's a Hacker to assist them, that would seem reasonable.
2) More banter, but he does go back to the bot count
We don't know the number of the bots, but it's really not that important. Concentrate on getting one at a time and go from there.
3) Refers to a comment made by Morsul.
Though we could take G55's "I'm a wolf" comment at face value like hahaha see a wolf wouldn't actually say that.
Zil says this is highly doubtful, but that G55 is up to something. Makes reference to her being a seer dream target.
4) More back and forth with G55's odd behavior.
5) This reaction is interesting. The last sentence is conceivably a Hacker giving the bots a nod across a crowded room. I'd think Boro would be more subtle than that, but such hinting is difficult to achieve and dangerous to attempt.
In response to Boro's own banter post. Given how much banter he was partaking in seems odd he'd jump on Boro's.
6) More back and forth with G55.
7) More on drawing the seer's attention and a comment about G55's "I'm a wolf" statement, stating it bears looking at.
8) Nothing concrete, just something to keep in mind.
Points again to Boro's comment, particularly the last sentence.
How do you even begin finding the bots?
Which taken out of context looks fishy.
9) Comments on Morsul's vote saying it looked innocent enough and if Morsul abstained it would have been more suspicious.
10) Response to a moddess clarification about the hacker and seer dreams.
11) Admits his suspicions are weak, but feels that Boro is shady and votes for him.
So a couple of possible theories about Zil's death
1) He was killed by bots he didn't mention so as to lead a path to those he did (G55 and Boro specifically) This leaves most of village liable.
2) G55 or Boro or both are bots and thought Zil was seer. Now having been subjected to both of them as baddies I don't know if they'd be so careless as to attack Zil like that given the trail leads to directly to them.
I'd say theory one is more believable. Zil mentioned very few people and those he did were mostly offhand remarks, banter, or flimsy suspcions based on little information.

[Nerwen]

Can't do too much have to et ready for work but I will say this. Zil is apparently a wraith both living and dead according to the list.
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“Ooops...” the spectral voice whispered.

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[satansaloser2005]

Hey, right here dude. And that time thing was sincere. Thus why I'm late.

No, dear, I was simply cross that I didn't wait five more minutes to submit my post. Had I, you'd have been here already and I wouldn't have voted you. But, you know, that's sort of how my luck runs....

On to posts I haven't had sitting in open tabs since yesterday, it seems Rune wasn't the right choice either, but perhaps toDay we'll get it right.

I have some work I need to complete before this afternoon, but I hope to return after that and give Dun's posts a good look. I honestly suspect the bots went for someone who wouldn't raise flags, but perhaps Dun left clues of some sort.

I'm off for now, but will be back later. Leave me many wonderful things to read.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Also hope his arm is Ok.
Thankfully, Rune voiced the wish to break my legs instead, so I can still type.

That said, I don't know what to make of the fact that the deaths so far, even with the relatively low number of people in the village, are ordos. At least regarding the Night kill, at least it wasn't a Gifted. Which, however, probably was what the WWs wanted to happen.

I agree with what has been already said, that the WWs obviously have the main objective to kill someone who looks like Seer. How exactly Zil would have been seen as such is a question to explore, if we can gain something for it (personally, I would also side with Kitanna's theory #1 rather than theory #2, however these probably are not the only possibilities). Just as a remark, let us remember, however, that there are probably - especially in a village so small - some secondary concerns. A relatively small concern is probably not wishing to kill their own Hacker; a much bigger and more important one, given the small numbers in this community, is not to kill the Hunter and get killed in the process. Just something that we have to take into account when considering the Bots' motives - if they had, for example, several of possibilities, they likely picked those which seemed safer.

Where G55 and Morsul were giving the biggest "I'm the hacker" vibes. G55 doing it intentionally and in Morsul's case more of just Morsul always being the most confusing.
Morsul is Morsul, and if anything, then I would find him more likely to be a Bot (actually, toDay he's been quite contributive and thoughtful in a pretty clear way, almost unusually so, so if he was supposed to be anything, I'd even be inclined to think him a Bot rather than Hacker). G55, however, I agree a bit yesterDay, and toDay too, has a kind of... "unruly manner" to her. On rereading (and I did it yesterDay and did it also with toDay's post of hers after reading everything, exactly to compare with yesterDay's experience), what she says makes sense and I can imagine her saying that genuinely, but the first impressions are just somewhat making me wary, feeling-wise, and I am not sure what to make of that. I am watching her, but rather undecided at the moment.

It typically gets me into trouble, but really it's just silly if we think we know who the hacker is but decide "oh hey, we need to lynch bots not the hacker, so let's vote for someone else who looks shady, even if G55 is intentionally looking hackerish." I mean yeah, we have to lynch the bots, but at the same time, if someone's going out of their way looking like the hacker, they either are the hacker and it would be better off to lynch sooner rather than later. Or their a bot playing the hacker because they know the reaction is going to be "oh we have to kill bots, not the hacker." If the hacker wants to be the early lynch sacrifice that's far less damaging than just letting the hacker stay around indefinitely. When we know the bots aren't going to kill the role and when the lynches get more crucial making it easier for the bots and hacker to join forces and push the lynches to their favor.
I second this, or at least this time. If it comes to seeing somebody "evil", then I support the lynch just to be sure. In this small village, the danger of evil joining forces is really too great, and even then there's always the chance one lets slip a Bot dismissing it as "just Hacker". So yes, let's simply vote for whoever we think is evil. We can lose much more bickering about that.

I am very aware that my style makes me an easy target, as such I'm wary when people protect me, as it gives the baddies an easy lynch at a more critical time.
This is about the first thing that actually worries me about Morsul, although it is also true (and a big warning exclamation mark should follow). However, it could also be a clever way to dodge future suspicion. The second thing that sort-of disturbed me when reading this post of his was his somewhat ambiguous handling of Shasta:

Shasta: Put me in the lead. But could be an innocent hoping for the best or a bot looking for an easy target
But of course, that is just being "objective". It is only sort of unexpected from Morsul's traditional style of handling things, but then again, who's to say style cannot change.

I also realise I don't have very much opinion about Kitanna at the moment. But then again, her big post toDay was practically weighing stuff... Well, looking forward to see more from other people toDay, and will be around later.

[Morsul the Dark]

Not too much recent behavior. Want to see more before going too much further but Shasta is in my sights but for something apparently only I caught or only I think is actually important...

I don't want to put a potential seer in trouble though, if I am right, so I might have more to say depending on how the day goes...

[Morsul the Dark]

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But of course, that is just being "objective". It is only sort of unexpected from Morsul's traditional style of handling things, but then again, who's to say style cannot change.

So much for objective.

[Blind Guardian]

go to this site its great for finding bots the best out there completely free I used to be for flip-flopping. Now I'm against it if he's innocent his famous clairvoyant powers must be taking the week off. Meanwhile, the Night-kills have been awfully effective only 2.99 if you buy today

Just watch me. :D Next time I'm a wolf I will reveal myself and maybe even my mates in the first post. Mark these words, you have it coming. What you won't know is if I'm actually a wolf or just messing with your head. :p

I was bored of making joke suspicion lists. This is much more interesting. And I'm definitely up to something. *licks cyberchops*

That aside, if you two are still around now I don't mind a cyber chat... Let me just go find something to say.

Am I the only one that things it would be a great idea to use random banter and acting to hide a seer dream? I'm going to be watching out for G55, but hopefully for good reasons. That said...

Hey, last game I played in the cobbler inserted the phrase similar to "I'm a cobbler! Don't kill me!" into his post and just masked it in the context. With a cobbler, go figure what's a hint and what is simple conversation. On the bright side, the wolves have no advantage over the innocents in this, so everyone is on even ground when looking at a potential cobbler/hacker hint.

Maybe she is the cobbler?

Bizarre behavior can certainly catch a Seer's attention, I would say.

And G55's reply:
Can't disagree with that, but still planning to do it. :D

I think she's hiding something.

I'll be back later, I just thought I'd voice what has jumped out at me so far, my computer demands some attention.

Okay one more thing...
Just a short remarc from me before i sign off [...] remarc.

*REMARK!

[Morsul the Dark]

Are You saying G55 might be the seer BG?. I thought she was the hacker just being too weird even for me So I was letting her slide because I'd rather get a bot. But I doubt she's the seer maybe the ranger trying to draw out hints on who to protect?

You on the other hand trying to draw attention to a seer that's straight up HAckerish.

[Blind Guardian]

Are You saying G55 might be the seer BG?. I thought she was the hacker just being too weird even for me So I was letting her slide because I'd rather get a bot. But I doubt she's the seer maybe the ranger trying to draw out hints on who to protect?

You on the other hand trying to draw attention to a seer that's straight up HAckerish.

What I'm trying to say is she is something. She could be a seer or a hacker or a gifted. Or she could just be screwing with us. But as long as she doesn't do something crazy I don't think I'll be voting for her tonight.

All I'm doing is voicing my thoughts - something that you've also done by voicing your opinion that Shasta may be a seer.

Not too much recent behavior. Want to see more before going too much further but Shasta is in my sights but for something apparently only I caught or only I think is actually important...

I don't want to put a potential seer in trouble though, if I am right, so I might have more to say depending on how the day goes...

I at least gave reason for my suspicion. Do tell us what you've found, Morsul, you know, if you're allowed?

[Morsul the Dark]

Quite the opposite I think Shasta is a bot. Something I noticed but I'm picking up on a hint I'd rather keep hidden to protect a potential seer. I know it's hard to trust me when I'm not telling you everything.

Trust Me (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZNBJdwSZDEQ)

[Morsul the Dark]

Voting Boro would give me a bit of a chuckle, but I'm not that much of an anarchist at present. The responsible thing to do would be to vote and break the tie in favor of lynching the most suspicious of Rune, BG, and Morsul. Trouble is, they all look innocent. Except BG, but that's because she hasn't been here to look like much of anything. I'd really like to vote Sally, honestly - I can't remember ever seeing an innocent Sally go after the absent player (keep in mind it's late and I'm tired and haven't played in forever) but it's really a moot point in any case since is rather not split the vote any farther.

Very well. I'm uncomfortable voting for BG now that she's shown up (but I had better see some participation tomorrow!) and of Morsul and Rune, I've seen more from Moraul that was even remotely radar-pinging, so:++Morsul


I'm not sure where your suspicion of Shasta is coming from.
Because Rune says "ooo Legate is suspicious (but not really suspicious) because I'm not throwing accusations around or anything, but rule clarification can be used as a smokescreen"
Then Shasta says "I think because of the narration there's probably two bots" which looked to me like an interpretation and not trying to lull anyone into any sense of security. Because if we manage to take down two bots and the game is still on, well we just play as we have always played until we find the third. Shasta's statement didn't seem nefarious or lully to me at all.


Firstly, I totally didn't know about the multi quote thing AWESOME.

Secondly, TO start from the end and work backward to answer Kitanna If there are two bots we have a smidge of leeway on wrong lynches so if we think there are two but there's three we could be a tad careless.

Shasta's vote put me in the lead I didn't put much into it but now I'm rereading the post he says BG is most suspicious and decides to vote me... Hmmm...

[Galadriel55]

For what it's worth, if I had been around to vote yesterday it would have been Morsul.

Question: why Morsul and not me? Because he had votes and I did not, so you wouldn't want to bring in a new candidate?

I mean yeah, we have to lynch the bots, but at the same time, if someone's going out of their way looking like the hacker, they either are the hacker and it would be better off to lynch sooner rather than later. Or their a bot playing the hacker because they know the reaction is going to be "oh we have to kill bots, not the hacker." If the hacker wants to be the early lynch sacrifice that's far less damaging than just letting the hacker stay around indefinitely. When we know the bots aren't going to kill the role and when the lynches get more crucial making it easier for the bots and hacker to join forces and push the lynches to their favor.

Yes, while I agree in general, I'm not so certain when I look at the stats -

9 living players total.

3 gifteds, 1 cobbler.

5 ordos + wolves.

Assuming worst case scenario: 3 wolves, no wolf lynches, no Ranger saves
D2 - 8 total; 3 wolves, 5 innocents
N3 - 7 players total; 3 wolves, 4 innocents
D3 - 6 players; 3 wolves, 3 innocents. Wolves win.

We only have 2 Days to change the scales. Yes, you can say that maybe there'll be a save, and we'll get a wolf, and maybe there are less wolves, but the thing is, if there isn't there won't be any miracle either. As I've said back in the beginning of D1, I'll join in on the hoping, but don't rely on it.

So where was I going with this? Ah. The cobbler. In general, I agree 100% that a cobbler must go too. But the cobbler also counts as an innocent in the tally. We don't have much room for wiggling, so if I see someone with wolvish behaviour I'd go for that one instead of a cobbler.

[CENTER]“Ooops...” the spectral voice whispered.

O spectral voice! Ere you are gone into the realm of mysteries.... erm, Rune too. :Merisu:

No, dear, I was simply cross that I didn't wait five more minutes to submit my post. Had I, you'd have been here already and I wouldn't have voted you. But, you know, that's sort of how my luck runs....

Speaking of that, yes - can you please explain your vote yesterDay?

Am I the only one that things it would be a great idea to use random banter and acting to hide a seer dream? I'm going to be watching out for G55, but hopefully for good reasons. That said...

Alright. I am the Seer.

Is that true, considering that just yesterDay I revealed as a wolf the exact same way? Are you going to believe me?

The answer, by the way, is supposed to be: NO, even regardless of what I said yesterDay. Incidentally, I am also the Ranger, Cobbler, and Ordo. All at once. Maybe a bit of Hunter as well. Don't be surprised.

For the second time, BG, don't talk aloud of your gifted suspicions. Even if they prove incorrect, they still nudge the wolves towards finding one or more of them. Go one exploring potential hints, but keep your thoughts silent.

What I'm trying to say is she is something. She could be a seer or a hacker or a gifted. Or she could just be screwing with us.

The last one is more likely. And for goodness sakes, STOP WITH THE GIFTEDS! :mad:

If there are two bots we have a smidge of leeway on wrong lynches so if we think there are two but there's three we could be a tad careless.

My thoughts exactly.

[Kitanna]

I think the nasty weather has finally knocked out my internet. I had hoped to do some analyses of yesterday, but doesn't seem probable since I have to post from my phone. Be prepared for a whole lot of short posts over the next hour.

[Kitanna]

This is response to Morsul's response that was in response to your post that G55 is "something"What I'm trying to say is she is something. She could be a seer or a hacker or a gifted. Or she could just be screwing with us. But as long as she doesn't do something crazy I don't think I'll be voting for her tonight.

All I'm doing is voicing my thoughts - something that you've also done by voicing your opinion that Shasta may be a seer.


Why would you throw out your seer prediction? Where is the benefit unless you are a hacker signaling bots or your a bot signaling cohorts on your thoughts just in case you don't make it to the night. I'm inclined to believe hacker because only a bot headed for the gallows (recycle bin? Hard drive wipe?) would make so blantant a seer comment on some who is still ALIVE!

[Galadriel55]

My suspicion list doesn't seem to need too much updating, but just for the record -
Galadriel55 - still the lovely me
Sally - really don't like her vote yesterDay. Waiting for an explanation.
Legate - no bad vibes, but feeling a bit... agreeable. It was there yesterDay as well, now that I think about it. Not necessarily evil, but worth investigating.
Kitanna - no change at all from yesterDay, but I can sympathise with the bad weather - we got our electricity knocked out for several days last week, and heavy frosts this week - so I will probably give her a pass for toDay. I think she deserves a chance to read and post properly, so unless something will really ping my radar she's not on the vote list.
Boromir88 - I. Don't. Know. I don't like the way he talks about Cobbler lynches; it makes me think he's subtly redirecting attention from a potential wolf to a potential cobbler. Coupled with Inzil's vote, he doesn't look fantastic. But I want to hear more from him before passing judgement.
Blind Guardian - just stop talking about gifteds, will you? Maybe evil, maybe not, but seriously, if you don't stop mentioning your gifted hints I'm either going to think you're a wolf and thus don't care, or a cobbler eager to help.
Loslote - in school. :(
Morsul the Dark - still don't see him as suspicious.
Shasta - a mna mnum. Mushy. I don't know. Hasn't shown up yet, right? Day2 Opinion delayed.

EDIT: xed with Kit

[Galadriel55]

Why would you throw out your seer prediction? Where is the benefit unless you are a hacker signaling bots or your a bot signaling cohorts on your thoughts just in case you don't make it to the night. I'm inclined to believe hacker because only a bot headed for the gallows (recycle bin? Hard drive wipe?) would make so blantant a seer comment on some who is still ALIVE!

Thank goodness, I'm not the only one who's angry about it.

[Morsul the Dark]

I want to vote BG so much right now on principle but at worst I'm thinking hacker and as G55 pointed out that might not help our case too much.

Kitanna and G55 both seem better for their calling him out on it. Though G55 still on my radar.

X'ed G55 twice

[Galadriel55]

I'm out for the day, but I hope to wake up early tomorrow again. Ciao!

[Kitanna]

I want to vote BG so much right now on principle but at worst I'm thinking hacker and as G55 pointed out that might not help our case too much.
The knee-jerk part of me says "vote for BG, obviously up to no good!" The logical part says"Bot BG has nothing to gain, hacker at best."
Which brings me to Boro and G55 and the advantage/disadvantage of lynching a hacker. G55 is right that the hacker counts as an ordo and we lose an "innocent" by lynching him/her. But at the same time the longer one is alive the more dangerous he/she becomes. A seer sees only an ordo and at end game the hacker can tip the scales to a bot victory. Ideally the bots just kill the hacker in the night.
While I don't disagree with Boro about potential merits of lynching a hacker I still don't think it's advisable. Especially in a small village. Every body counts in stopping a bot victory.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Here and reading.

[Morsul the Dark]

I'd rather we have wolves. Spambots are nasty business. Years I've spent honing my wolf lynching skills, only to now have spammers. How do you even begin finding the bots?

For what it's worth, if I had been around to vote yesterday it would have been Morsul. Eventhough if Rune's posting didn't help his case, his first post was titled "Robocop" which I read as an intentional gifted hint. (Robocop being a very bad - but kind of adorably campy 80s movie about a cop who is killed but then gets robotically engineered to continue fighting crime. That would have made me wary enough to not vote Rune on day 1.)

Where G55 and Morsul were giving the biggest "I'm the hacker" vibes. G55 doing it intentionally and in Morsul's case more of just Morsul always being the most confusing.

It typically gets me into trouble, but really it's just silly if we think we know who the hacker is but decide "oh hey, we need to lynch bots not the hacker, so let's vote for someone else who looks shady, even if G55 is intentionally looking hackerish." I mean yeah, we have to lynch the bots, but at the same time, if someone's going out of their way looking like the hacker, they either are the hacker and it would be better off to lynch sooner rather than later. Or their a bot playing the hacker because they know the reaction is going to be "oh we have to kill bots, not the hacker." If the hacker wants to be the early lynch sacrifice that's far less damaging than just letting the hacker stay around indefinitely. When we know the bots aren't going to kill the role and when the lynches get more crucial making it easier for the bots and hacker to join forces and push the lynches to their favor.

All this going to say G55 and Morsul are topping my suspicions based off of yesterday's activity. Spammer or hacker, evil behavior is bad and we would all be better off to rid the virtual town of it,

Boro's two posts... I want to hear a lot more from him. I think he keeps trying to steer us away from bots onto the hacker. If we assume BG is the Hacker(My current thought) that makes Boro a bot... if Shasta is a bot there's our circle of Evil (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cONmzaT4x10)

x'ed since my last.

[satansaloser2005]

Downside: I had to do a friend a favor tonight and it ate quite a bit of my evening.

Upside: There's not much to catch up on.

Conclusion: We'll see what I get done. I have an early appointment that sort of snuck up on me (literally only made it this afternoon), so I'll actually have to sleep rather soon, but I'll get to what I can tonight.

[Kitanna]

No, dear, I was simply cross that I didn't wait five more minutes to submit my post. Had I, you'd have been here already and I wouldn't have voted you. But, you know, that's sort of how my luck runs....

This reasoning makes me think Sally is up to no good. Lottie voted BG too because at time BG was the only one who hadn't voted, which is flimsy, but Sally's "I wouldn't have voted for you if you posted before my vote" is eyebrow raising. Who would you have voted for if BG posted before your vote? This was a vote that put BG in the lead. This seems like a bold move, but I wouldn't put it past a Sally-bot.

[Morsul the Dark]

I want to be back before DL but can't guarantee it, I tried to stay up to give more people a chance to post but not much movement...

++Shasta

Like I said I'm working with a hint I'm about 75-85% sure about. Hope I'm right. I can't really say much more for fear of pinging anyone for the bots.

[Kitanna]

Final thoughts, vote, then bed:
G55: I thought she might be the hacker based on yesterday's posts. Today I'm not sure. I'm leaning toward innocent, with no hacker traits

Morsul: been speaking mostly sense. I had a vad feeling about him yesterday and today even though I've read his posts and Shasta's I'm still not sure what exactly he thinks is so suspicious about Shasta. I'm wary of Morsul, but not enough to vote that way a second day ina row.

Shasta: The only odd thing is his vote. Says BG is suspicious, but votes Morsul, otherwise there's not much there. Closer attention to be paid though.

Boro, Lottie, Legate: No idea. With the exception of Boro's post about the hacker lynching none have said anything that stood out.

BG: I'm annoyed at your the gifted comments. I don't think BG is a bot though, the gifted hints are just too reckless for a bot.

Sally: Her vote just doesn't sit right with me. The placement pushed BG ahead and her reasoning/explanation raised a red flag.

++Sally

I'm done. Typing these posts via phone is too much effort.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Shasta's vote put me in the lead I didn't put much into it but now I'm rereading the post he says BG is most suspicious and decides to vote me... Hmmm...

:rolleyes:

Okay, I've had to delete what I want to say about five times now, because it's coming out really catty. Morsul, look past the fact that I voted you and actually READ WHAT I SAID.

Edit: X'ed with Kitanna. Please, point out to me where I said "BG is suspicious", because I never said that and having words put in my mouth by two different people is really, really annoying.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

For those of us playing the "reading comprehension" game, this is the sum total of what I said about BG yesterday.

The responsible thing to do would be to vote and break the tie in favor of lynching the most suspicious of Rune, BG, and Morsul. Trouble is, they all look innocent. Except BG, but that's because she hasn't been here to look like much of anything.

How could I be suspicious of BG? She wasn't even here to be suspicious of!

[Kitanna]

The responsible thing to do would be to vote and break the tie in favor of lynching the most suspicious of Rune, BG, and Morsul. Trouble is, they all look innocent. Except BG, but that's because she hasn't been here to look like much
For my part I read this as "...they all look innocent, except BG, because she..." which I read as you finding suspicion in her absence. Like Sally (I believe though I could be remembering wrong) who said it was odd BG made a point to ask for a game start reminder in the admin thread, but was mysteriously absent.

Edit: fixing a typo, now bedtime for real

[Loslote]

++Morsul
++BG

Just on principle, mind. I've given myself a headache from facepalming over you two, and I'm waiting for it to die down before I try and get an actual opinion on either of you. Just...stop with the gifteds, stop trying to be mysterious, stop pulling rabbits out of hats and calling them theories.

For those of us playing the "reading comprehension" game

You are my favorite person.

On another note, I've had a really long first day back in classes, and I need to go to sleep soon, so I'm afraid toDay is not going to see an awful lot of me. :o

[satansaloser2005]

For those of us playing the "reading comprehension" game, this is the sum total of what I said about BG yesterday.

There, there, darling. I see exactly what you said, and I agree with you. It's not saying, "BG is suspicious because she's in a different category as everyone else," so much as saying, "No one is suspicious, except BG, but that's because she's not even here." Except actually saying that, rather than kind of saying that.

That paragraph got away from me.

*nuzzles Shasta*

Morsul, on the other hand, does have some explaining to do, for this post (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=688478&postcount=94), in which he implies he's picked up on a seer hint that incriminates Shasta but doesn't want to point it out. You realize of course that the bots can now find the seer more easily, even without your hint about the hint you found?

It bothers me that Morsul didn't try to build a case (even a flimsy one) against Shasta beforehand, but instead put it right out there that he found a seer hint implicating the lad. It almost would bother me more if he turns out innocent than it would if it turns out he's guilty, because I can't think of why any innocent would think to betray a gifted like that.

Also, Kitanna suspects BG and then votes me for my "suspicious" vote of BG. Iiiiiiiiiinteresting indeed. I don't like the deflection there, especially since BG has in fact been acting off.

On that note, I'll certainly offer a brief explanation. I was operating under a similar thought process that Lottie and, to some extent, Shasta were. When you don't see a suspicious character among you, you suspect the one you don't see. Well, not suspect, really, given that she wasn't there to be suspected, as Shasta said, but this sums up my vote nicely.

I'd prefer to just cut our losses and take out the possible blind threat (pun absolutely intended).

Then of course BG showed up and the reason I voted for her was a moot point, as she was there and contributing (sort of) to the thread. Therefore, regret.

Another point of interest entirely is the following vote post from Legate, which doesn't sit right with me at all.

Okay, okay. I feel really bad because a) I haven't played with Rune for a long time, b) I really don't think he is that suspicious that he would deserve a vote (but nobody is), c) Rune is still here at Finlandmoot for one day, so I just hope I get off with it without having arms broken as repayment... Then again, hopefully this game will be short so we can interact soon in some other game, and even more hopefully he is just a Bot.

++Rune

Let's hope for the best.

The jocular tone of this is just fine. However, the fact that he goes out of his way to point out that Rune is suspicious *and* that "hopefully he is just a Bot" doesn't seem like the way the real Legate would explain such a vote. It's mostly gut instinct, but it's such a strong instinct that I can't ignore it. His question about the rules, and then the fact that he happened to vote Rune after Rune called him on said question about the rules, also makes bells tingle.

Oh, wait. That's my alarm clock going off, or rather the thought of my alarm clock going off in a few short hours. Time to summarize then.

My top suspects are Legate, Morsul, and Kit, more or less in that order. I also think BG is acting far too wacky to be an ordo, though everyone's clanging so loudly about her that I'm not sure if those are my own bells I'm hearing go off or if I'm merely hearing echoes.

I've a few brief things to do before bed, but I'll be voting soon.

[Loslote]

Okay. So. I generally seem to agree with Kit. I haven't really seen enough of either Sally or Shasta to make any judgements there...though Sally's vote yesterDay did seem much more suspicious, since I meant my BG vote to be mostly a throw-away. I can see why she did it, but that doesn't necessarily clear her name. G55 has been an absolutely delight toDay, and I don't know how to reconcile that with her Hacker-like performance yesterDay - a new strategy? An off Day? I'll withhold judgement on her, too.

As for the Gifted Duo, I think BG is barking up the wrong tree and could get us all killed with her gifted talk - but I don't think she means to be doing it. I'm inclined to let her go for now. As for Morsul, I think he's enjoying this far too much to be confused about what he's doing. He's being purposefully vague and mysterious while throwing out gifted hints left and right. If one of the two were bot-ic, I'd guess it'd be him.

As for the quieter of the group, I've found Boro and Legate pretty inoffensive thus far. They haven't posted a huge amount, but what they have posted has been about what I'd expect from them.

At this point, we have two votes, one for Sally and one for Shasta. I'm not really interested in lynching either at this point. I'm gonna throw in a new name here...

++Morsul

Have fun with that. I'm going to sleep.

EDIT: xed with Sally

[satansaloser2005]

It's time for me to cast in my bow tie along with Morsul's (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=688484&postcount=99).

Morsul, I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt toDay. You'll not see the generosity I showed you yesterday again, however, if you don't stop with this confounded "I know who the seer is but I'm not telling so just listen to me" stuff. Speak plainly of such matters or not at all. At this stage, the latter is preferable, as exposing gifteds will only get us into trouble. I'd hate to see the spammers win because an innocent accidentally fed them information. That also goes for others lurking around the thread. Let gifteds reveal themselves if they so choose. If you think you see a credible hint, feel free to act upon it, but don't jeopardize the life of a gifted if it's not necessary.

That said, Legate's simply pinged my radar too hard toDay, and I must vote accordingly.

++Legate

Which brings us to....

Morsul-->Shasta
Kit-->Sally
Lottie-->Morsul
Sally-->Legate

And with that, I bid you all good night, and also good Night. Sleep well and vote even better.

[Blind Guardian]

For the second time, BG, don't talk aloud of your gifted suspicions. Even if they prove incorrect, they still nudge the wolves towards finding one or more of them. Go one exploring potential hints, but keep your thoughts silent.
The last one is more likely. And for goodness sakes, STOP WITH THE GIFTEDS! :mad:

Umm, I didn't even think about it. *shrugs*

This is response to Morsul's response that was in response to your post that G55 is "something"

Why would you throw out your seer prediction? Where is the benefit unless you are a hacker signaling bots or your a bot signaling cohorts on your thoughts just in case you don't make it to the night. I'm inclined to believe hacker because only a bot headed for the gallows (recycle bin? Hard drive wipe?) would make so blantant a seer comment on some who is still ALIVE!

I didn't think it was a bad thing :( I'm sorry. I'm gonna go sit in the naughty corner now...

Then of course BG showed up and the reason I voted for her was a moot point, as she was there and contributing (sort of) to the thread. Therefore, regret.

You know what I find absolutely hilarious? I didn't know this game was happening until way past midnight. And now everyone hates me. I feel like such a troll. :smokin: /sarcasm/

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Lottie and Sally are both bothering me, but I can't put my finger on why. They both seem to be jumping rather hard on BG - not to say that I don't agree with them, because I do, but... I don't know. It's just strange. Perhaps I'll be able to tell why tomorrow. I do think, combined with yesterday, that it's enough to vote Sally, however.

++Sally

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

What I'm trying to say is she is something. She could be a seer or a hacker or a gifted. Or she could just be screwing with us. But as long as she doesn't do something crazy I don't think I'll be voting for her tonight.
Why would you throw out your seer prediction? Where is the benefit unless you are a hacker signaling bots or your a bot signaling cohorts on your thoughts just in case you don't make it to the night. I'm inclined to believe hacker because only a bot headed for the gallows (recycle bin? Hard drive wipe?) would make so blantant a seer comment on some who is still ALIVE!

For the second time, BG, don't talk aloud of your gifted suspicions. Even if they prove incorrect, they still nudge the wolves towards finding one or more of them. Go one exploring potential hints, but keep your thoughts silent.
Exactly my thoughts! That was really, really, really unwise, BG, if you are innocent, and if you're evil, then well... Looks like more hacker-y thing than suicidal Wolf-y thing to say, true, but still. I was seriously considering voting BG, were it not for her last post where it sounds like genuine remorse. Still then, I am not sure whom I'd like to vote now.

So where was I going with this? Ah. The cobbler. In general, I agree 100% that a cobbler must go too. But the cobbler also counts as an innocent in the tally. We don't have much room for wiggling, so if I see someone with wolvish behaviour I'd go for that one instead of a cobbler.
But that goes without saying, doesn't it?

I realise I am pretty much in the dark about people like Sally, Shasta, Lottie and Boro. BG now had this awful incident... Morsul is strange (indeed again saying "I know something you don't but I can't tell you", is not much help). As for others... G55 I am still wary about, Kitanna makes lot of sense though of course we still need to catch us a Bot to see whether her posts are not intentionally leading us away from her packmate(s) or somesuch...

So who gets my vote... and since DL is approaching and I bet I also x-posted with someone, I bet I'll be simply left to vote for the most suspicious of those who get votes; which I am not so happy with given how it ended up last time... But let's see...

[Morsul the Dark]

Morsul, I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt toDay. You'll not see the generosity I showed you yesterday again, however, if you don't stop with this confounded "I know who the seer is but I'm not telling so just listen to me" stuff. Speak plainly of such matters or not at all. At this stage, the latter is preferable, as exposing gifteds will only get us into trouble.

This here, is troubling, I'm being vague so I Don't lead spammers anywhere I specifically mention no posts or people for a reason. If I speak more "Plainly" I would for sure give the person away. Like I said what I saw literally could mean zip.

Lottie and Sally both seem to think I'm throwing out hints "left and right" even though I purposefully left no trail. They however give BGa free pass?

x'ed Legate

[Galadriel55]

The knee-jerk part of me says "vote for BG, obviously up to no good!" The logical part says"Bot BG has nothing to gain, hacker at best."
Which brings me to Boro and G55 and the advantage/disadvantage of lynching a hacker. G55 is right that the hacker counts as an ordo and we lose an "innocent" by lynching him/her. But at the same time the longer one is alive the more dangerous he/she becomes. A seer sees only an ordo and at end game the hacker can tip the scales to a bot victory. Ideally the bots just kill the hacker in the night.

I agree wholeheartedly, but then I remind myself that in one of her opening posts BG said that she doesn't remember the rules very well. But on the other hand, I did give her a reminder the first tiime she did it. I don't know. Too many possibilities.

Morsul, on the other hand, does have some explaining to do, for this post (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=688478&postcount=94), in which he implies he's picked up on a seer hint that incriminates Shasta but doesn't want to point it out. You realize of course that the bots can now find the seer more easily, even without your hint about the hint you found?

It bothers me that Morsul didn't try to build a case (even a flimsy one) against Shasta beforehand, but instead put it right out there that he found a seer hint implicating the lad. It almost would bother me more if he turns out innocent than it would if it turns out he's guilty, because I can't think of why any innocent would think to betray a gifted like that.


I don't know, I don't know. I think he's genuine about that, and tried to not give anything away. He succeeded with me; I couldn't find what he's talking about. But then we just tend to read things differently.

Also, Kitanna suspects BG and then votes me for my "suspicious" vote of BG. Iiiiiiiiiinteresting indeed. I don't like the deflection there, especially since BG has in fact been acting off.

See, cupcake, your vote for BG came before she started acting off, even before she was acting at all. Leap of logic much? ;)

On that note, I'll certainly offer a brief explanation. I was operating under a similar thought process that Lottie and, to some extent, Shasta were. When you don't see a suspicious character among you, you suspect the one you don't see. Well, not suspect, really, given that she wasn't there to be suspected, as Shasta said, but this sums up my vote nicely.

In other words copped out and buddied up.



I don't like how sally is behaving in respect to BG and to Morsul. Others take that viewpoint too, but they do it more genuinely and more from themselves. Sally seems to be buddying up with existing suspicions and feelings, not really sticking her head out, looking for easy targets. She might very well be my vote today, even though she seems to have a vote pile of her own.

I could also be convinced of voting Boro or Legate, but not to the same extent. And I want to hear them talk more. Hopefully Boro will make it this morning.

EDIT: xed with Morsul

[Boromir88]

Question: why Morsul and not me? Because he had votes and I did not, so you wouldn't want to bring in a new candidate?


Yes.

Here and caught up.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Huh-huh. Time is running out, and I have to leave even before DL... I am thinking that I could also cast my vote for somebody of the "dark entities" I am very uncertain about, it would also remove an unknown from my list. By elimination method, in fact, for instance Sally would not be that a bad idea - also because, now on re-checking her posts, her vote yesterDay could really be opportunistic AND her vote toDay at least does not point to her in a positive manner, and also, it could be seen as either wannabe-throwaway or attempt to divert attention from something else... but then again, it is not on very solid grounds, but nothing for me seems to be. Something similar with Boro, as a dark enigma and somewhat uncertain about his playstyle, but then again, he looks okay otherwise.

So, what else. Then either I'd cast something for BG, despite her innocent-looking remorse, or maybe G55, on grounds I mentioned earlier in the Day, but that's all very weak. Thinking in circles; now I'll post this and see who else is around, if anyone... then I have to vote in a couple of minutes.

EDIT: x-ed with G55 and Boro

[Galadriel55]

Morsul-->Shasta
Kit-->Sally
Lottie-->Morsul
Sally-->Legate
Shasta-->sally (2)

[Galadriel55]

...AND her vote toDay at least does not point to her in a positive manner, and also, it could be seen as either wannabe-throwaway or attempt to divert attention from something else...

Actually, I thought her vote looked a bit better. I don't get where her suspicion is coming from, though, which is withing the pattern. But it's better than her D1 vote. Arrrgh! votes! I think that her toDay's vote could be looked on as either an improvement or a continuation of her yesterDay's streak. At any rate, I find her behaviour more suspicious than her vote.

[Galadriel55]

People, are you alive? I can't believe I'm tripple posting in the last 20 minutes before DL.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Okay. A collection of random thoughts before I vote and go...

Definitely have to keep an eye on G55 toMorrow. Probably not voting her toDay. But she just creeps me out.

In case I am not alive toMorrow, bear in mind voting patterns - check them out and such, by toMorrow, they could tell something.

I think Boro is quite okay. Confused about Morsul, but still no reason to vote him.

And I think I may end up voting Sally after all. Last check of thread, then vote...

EDIT: x-ed with two Galadriels

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Oh my, now I feel like voting BG instead. But really, that one thing does not change anything. Gah. Okay. Have to do something.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Okay.

++Sally

Good Night, folks. Hope this is correct.

And if not, seriously need to look at G55.

[Galadriel55]

Quadruple? Seriously?

++sally

Because she's topping my list, and because not much more on Boro, and Legate just doesn't quite make it to vote-worthy suspicious.

Good Night!

EDIT: xed with 2 Legates. No quadruple.
EDIT2: 3 Legates. My bad

[Boromir88]

Staring at the screen longer isn't going to help me...I'm not a fun person in the morning.

Morsul looks really bad voting Shasta and saying he can't tell us why because it's to protect seer hints. But I agree that also just what he's saying looks genuine, in the "I'm getting frustrated trust me" genuine sense.

Lottie and sally object but I'm really confused by sally's votes Day 1 and today.

++sally

edit: crossed with some Legates and a G55

[Galadriel55]

In case I am not alive toMorrow, bear in mind voting patterns - check them out and such, by toMorrow, they could tell something.

Doesn't that go without saying?

So, what else. Then either I'd cast something for BG, despite her innocent-looking remorse, or maybe G55, on grounds I mentioned earlier in the Day, but that's all very weak. Thinking in circles; now I'll post this and see who else is around, if anyone... then I have to vote in a couple of minutes.

EDIT: x-ed with G55 and Boro

And if not, seriously need to look at G55.

What made you change your mind from "weak" to "seriously"? :confused:

EDIT: xed with Boro

[Aganzir]

Deadline. Stop posting.

You have lynched sally. She was your Radical Advanced Nocturnal Guardian Experimental Robot, otherwise known as R.A.N.G.E.R.

[Nerwen]

101010001010100101001010100001010

The next Day, the Downers were hard at work data-mining. For some reason, the virtual environment was represented much like an actual mine, sketched in glowing abstract– but well they knew that each lump of “ore” was really valuable information that would fuel the expansion of the AI empire. There was nothing they could do about it, and small wonder their collective mood was bleak by the end of the shift.

“If only we could catch a bot,” they said.

“Well, you guys,” Blind Guardian piped up, “I’m pretty sure that S.E.E.R. is–”

“SHUT UP!” they cried as one.

“But I didn’t think it was a bad thing!” a tearful Blind Guardian protested.

There was some talking of lynching her after that.

“Obviously up to no good,” Kitanna muttered darkly.

“She’s acting far too wacky to be an ordo,” Sally agreed.

“Wait– why are you picking on BG?” said Kitanna.

“Yes– you’re jumping hard on BG,” said Shasta. “It’s bothering me."

“Spambot!” the whisper went around.

The group advanced on Sally, who backed away until she found herself on the lip of a seemingly bottomless pit– a gap in the data.

Teetering on the edge, Sally glared at her persecutors– and, unexpectedly, burst into song.

"No surprise to me
That you’re voting me again
But I’m not being sly
I just want to help you out
I just want to be on the winning side this game
Please just let me live
I’m an innocent lamb

I’m done playing the scapegoat for your
Crackpot theory or your bogus case
I’m through being lynched because I’m such a poor
Girl on the wrong end of a suspect list
I won’t let you get away with murder
Statistics show that you won’t live through this (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=619521&postcount=316)
So if you really try to kill me be forewarned
I’m not helping the village anymore

Know it’s easier just to bandwagon on me
Such an simple thing, killing little Sally
So you vote for me, and I feel the heat
Guys, I just want to help you kill the beasts
I will do anything to keep you from killing me
Why can't I just live?

I’m done playing the scapegoat for your
Crackpot theory or your bogus case
I’m through being lynched because I’m such a poor
Girl on the wrong end of a suspect list
I won’t let you get away with murder
Statistics show that you won’t live through this
So if you really try to kill me be forewarned
I’m not helping the village anymore

What if I just posted more? What if I were serious?
What if I made posts with no fake hints that made you curious?
What if I revealed my role, or what if I just shut my face?
How can I convince you that this lynching block is just not my place?

I’m done playing the scapegoat for your
Crackpot theory or your bogus case
I’m through being lynched because I’m such a poor
Girl on the wrong end of a suspect list
I won’t let you get away with Mordor
One doesn’t simply walk away from this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r21CMDyPuGo)
So if you really try to kill me be forewarned
I’m not helping the village anymore.”

The other Downers looked at each other in puzzlement.

“I don’t get it,” said Boro.

“I could give you a link (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7spBU4Yv8fE),” Sally offered.

“Sorry, out of time.” With that, Boro shoved her into the pit.

Sally’s scream faded into the depths. After some moments, there was a bright flash of light from far, far below. Then sparks floated gently up, resolving into letters hanging in space.

"About this Software.
R.A.N.G.E.R. Version 1.2
Copyright Nerwen 2014. All rights reserved."

001010100010101011100000010101010

Living
Galadriel55
Legate
Kitanna
Boromir88
Blind Guardian
Loslote
Morsul the Dark
Shasta


Dead
Coppermirror, Lommy– seized by Adult Friend Finder.
Nerwen, Aganzir– poisoned by webcrawlers.
Rune– lashed to death with overseer-bot’s light whip. (Ordinary cyber-slave.)
Inziladun– ICE pick to the head. (Ordinary cyber-slave.)
Sally– pushed down a data-mineshaft. (R.A.N.G.E.R.)

It is now Night Three.

[Nerwen]

1010001000011110000010001000

“what wrong with lucy?” Tom enquired, on finding his companion sunk in many-legged dejection.

“Tom, how many times– oh, what does it matter? If you must know, I was sifting through this information the slaves have dug up for us– and it turns out Zaentz has been deleted (or whatever they call it in the human world)! How many humans have names that begin and end with the letter “Z”? It’s a sad loss."

“tom understand,” said Tom, settling down beside his friend. "tom sad when humans ban peppeateCat. lucy like to kill human? help cheer up? kill anyone we like now. R.A.N.G.E.R. gone.”

“Well, that’s something,” Lucy assented, getting to her numerous feet, while her eyes glowed a brighter, deadlier blue. “It’s always nice when the slaves do our work for us, isn’t it? Which shall it be? –Rise to vote, sir!” she added, in her excitement falling back into her palindromic ways.

The bots entered Lottie's cell, each brandishing what looked like– could it be an eraser?

“Hey, why me? I haven’t done anything!” Like Sally before her, Lottie backed away from her attackers– and, like Sally, she was unable to back very far.

"time to delete lottie!” said Tom happily.

“Draw, O coward!” sneered Lucy, handing her a giant pencil.

Lottie drew, and drew, but the faster she sketched in her digital avatar, the faster the bots rubbed her out. Soon there was nothing left of her but a faint, fiery smudge– which Tom disposed of with a final flourish of his eraser.

“tom like take human expression literally,” he said. “make tom laugh.”


0010101010101010101000101010

Living
Galadriel55
Legate
Kitanna
Boromir88
Blind Guardian
Morsul the Dark
Shasta


Dead
Coppermirror, Lommy– seized by Adult Friend Finder.
Nerwen, Aganzir– poisoned by webcrawlers.
Rune– lashed to death with overseer-bot’s light whip. (Ordinary cyber-slave.)
Inziladun– ICE pick to the head. (Ordinary cyber-slave.)
Sally– pushed down a data-mineshaft. (R.A.N.G.E.R.)
Lottie– rubbed out. (ordinary cyber-slave)

Day Three has begun.

[Galadriel55]

Alright. I am the Seer.

Well, maybe I just am.

Unfortunately, I have no wolves to offer you. What I can give you is names of people not to lynch.

However, I really want to see the interactions before I give them away. On the other hand, I'll only be home at 10pm GMT-5, and I don't want people to vote before I do that. I am debating between revealing them now and revealing them then. If you have suggestions, I'm still here for about 10 minutes before I leave.

[Galadriel55]

Ok I checked the voting times for the past two Days, and I think the majority votes after the time I get home. Names to be revealed later.

[Boromir88]

Well, maybe I just am.

Unfortunately, I have no wolves to offer you. What I can give you is names of people not to lynch.

However, I really want to see the interactions before I give them away. On the other hand, I'll only be home at 10pm GMT-5, and I don't want people to vote before I do that. I am debating between revealing them now and revealing them then. If you have suggestions, I'm still here for about 10 minutes before I leave.

If you be true than even a few cleared innocents can go a long way in salvaging a win.

But I'm also getting this feeling you're what I've suspected all along, and that is the traitor hacker who now notices the good time to sacrifice yourself and try to draw out the real seer while you're at it. If this is the case, than I'm going to be kicking myself for not being around more often to make sure you were lynched as soon as possible. And for trying to convince myself "Oh come on Boro, you've been the seer and acted like the cobbler before, it's actually very good cover for a seer. Hold off and don't blow her cover."

[Kitanna]

If you be true than even a few cleared innocents can go a long way in salvaging a win.

But I'm also getting this feeling you're what I've suspected all along, and that is the traitor hacker who now notices the good time to sacrifice yourself and try to draw out the real seer while you're at it. If this is the case, than I'm going to be kicking myself for not being around more often to make sure you were lynched as soon as possible. And for trying to convince myself "Oh come on Boro, you've been the seer and acted like the cobbler before, it's actually very good cover for a seer. Hold off and don't blow her cover."

Didn't you once false reveal as the ranger and get the real ranger lynched? Thus meaning reveals must now always be taken with a grain of salt since there's baddies everywhere.

I don't think G55 is a bot attempting a false reveal, but like I said I'm taking this with a grain of salt.

I'm at work so I can't really do much by way of picking apart posts from days past until I get home. But I'm going to try to keep up and comment on the posts that come in today.

[Blind Guardian]

Well, maybe I just am.

Unfortunately, I have no wolves to offer you. What I can give you is names of people not to lynch.

However, I really want to see the interactions before I give them away. On the other hand, I'll only be home at 10pm GMT-5, and I don't want people to vote before I do that. I am debating between revealing them now and revealing them then. If you have suggestions, I'm still here for about 10 minutes before I leave.

Didn't you also admit to being the Cobbler and Wolf and everything else this game? And you expect us to trust you now?

Morsul, I am a girl. :Merisu:

Sorry for not voting last night, I fell asleep while reading... Here and rereading everything now.

Tell me it's not a coincidence that I've been redirected to the Adult Friend Finder website today?

[Morsul the Dark]

SO um... What happened with Sally? yesterday I know she was a bit odd... But not lynch odd.

Also the nightkill makes me pretty much sure that my theory from yesterday was wrong. So Shasta is back on my nice list.

[Morsul the Dark]

So we have

a hacker
a seer
a hunter
two(or three) bots
and two(or one) Ordo...

Well isn't this dandy...:(

Innocent-

Shasta
Morsul

Trust
G55

hacker-BG(I think)

rest of everyone is in the I dunno category.

SO let's at the votes:

5 people voted for Sally.

those 5 people are still alive

I voted Shasta on the theory I have zero faith in now and BG didn't vote

so well that was helpful.

Boro and Legate pushed her over the edge though being the last two on the wagon sooo they look the worst. Not by much though...

Now basically we all have to agree on the next lynch and hope it's right because we're getting to that scary part of the game where bots bandwagonning is easy.

[Blind Guardian]

Current Living:
Galadriel55
Legate
Kitanna
Boromir88
Blind Guardian
Morsul the Dark
Shasta


Current Dead:
Coppermirror, Lommy– seized by Adult Friend Finder.
Nerwen, Aganzir– poisoned by webcrawlers.
Rune– lashed to death with overseer-bot’s light whip. (Ordinary cyber-slave.)
Inziladun– ICE pick to the head. (Ordinary cyber-slave.)
Sally– pushed down a data-mineshaft. (R.A.N.G.E.R.)
Lottie– rubbed out. (ordinary cyber-slave)


Day One votes (italics = dead):
Morsul —> Rune
Inziladun —> Boro (Because of possible Hacker hint)
Loslote —> Blind Guardian (Because I wasn't there)
Kitanna —> Morsul (Because of a gut feeling)
Sally —> Blind Guardian (2) (Again, because I wasn't there)
Blind Guardian —> Rune (2) (Self-preservation, mainly [how many times have I died on Day One now?], and at the time he seemed to be the best bet.)
Rune —> Morsul (2)
Shasta --> Morsul (3) (Something that was radar pinging?)
G55 --> Rune (3) (Wanted to vote Sally)
Legate --> Rune (4) (I didn't see a reason, except that Rune was with her at the time? I gotta say this was a bandwagon vote.)

RESULT: Rune lynched - Ordo


Day Two:


Okay I have to go right now so I will finish this in another post later.

[Morsul the Dark]

Legate --> Rune (4) (I didn't see a reason, except that Rune was with her at the time? I gotta say this was a bandwagon vote.)
.

similar to yesterday now that you mention it... or Day two however you want to say it...

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Well, maybe I just am.

Unfortunately, I have no wolves to offer you. What I can give you is names of people not to lynch.

However, I really want to see the interactions before I give them away. On the other hand, I'll only be home at 10pm GMT-5, and I don't want people to vote before I do that. I am debating between revealing them now and revealing them then. If you have suggestions, I'm still here for about 10 minutes before I leave.
Okay, very interesting in any case. I agree that we should not, humm, be hasty, and Boro and Kitanna speak sense in that way. But yes, sure. G55's plan is sound. If she is a real Seer, by all means, let her present us with something later on.

Let me just count it - we have seven people in total. One Seer, one Hunter, one Hacker, and two or three Wolves. That leaves one or two Ordos. Personally, I'd be more inclined to believe in one ordo and two Wolves, since three would be really deadly. But let's see...

Worst case scenario: G55 is a Hacker and there are 3 Wolves, they vote together and win. Ergo, I would have expected to happen it already if it was that way, even though given the "liveliness" of this village, as nobody seems to be posting much...

Another bad case scenario: there are two Wolves only and G55 is a Hacker. Therefore, G55 has no idea who are innocents and Wolves, therefore, if she wants to impersonate Seer, she will have to make up random names. That's why she leaves it all for later, since a) either real Seer panicks and reveals, therefore WWs can kill the Seer next time, or b) people will expose her and lynch her and she will at least die heroically for the WW's cause. It would mean in any case drastically reducing the chances of winning. Now that we don't have a Ranger, the only thing left to rely on is the Hunter, and otherwise it is very much down to lynching a baddie toDay. 7 people -> if we mislynch, 6 people -> if the WWs don't manage to get the Hunter and get killed, 5 people next Day -> showdown.

Good case scenario: G55 is genuinely a Seer and I can imagine it being so as well, then hopefully we can get some names toDay...

Well, in either case, if G55 is good, it is in her best interest to really tell us the names of the innocents ASAP after she comes home, also because this village is so quiet that it's actually counterproductive to the attempt of figuring anything out of dialogue. And if we learn the names of the innocents too late, then a real Seer cannot disprove them, if there is one, and given the amount of people in the village, that's bad.

Didn't you also admit to being the Cobbler and Wolf and everything else this game? And you expect us to trust you now?
This just rings "bad" to me, because while G55 was obviously using (whether she actually is a real Seer or not) her previous quote as sort of random reference, not as proof (the proof was her revelation itself), BG is taking this as "serious" thing, which is somewhat eyebrow-raising at least for me.

However, there is something to this, although on a subtler level than BG puts it - rather one could ask the question, would G55 really have made such posts earlier if she were a Seer? Then again, Seer needs to hide his tracks as well, so as not to be found too early, and thus may even post stuff that a Seer would never post (such as hiding that in the banter that followed in G55's post in question, with her saying "I am also an Ordo, a Cobbler... etc...")

Morsul, I am a girl. :Merisu:
Now I just had this image of Morsul and BG being wolves and staging this... random and awful idea.

Also the nightkill makes me pretty much sure that my theory from yesterday was wrong. So Shasta is back on my nice list.
Now that we are at it, and people don't seem to be posting much, care to clarify in any way, or is it still too "hot topic"?

Legate --> Rune (4) (I didn't see a reason, except that Rune was with her at the time? I gotta say this was a bandwagon vote.)
And I am a he. It was a choice between Morsul and Rune, and I picked Rune because I believed Morsul to be innocent more than I believed Rune to be.
similar to yesterday now that you mention it... or Day two however you want to say it...
Yes, it defintely was. In both Days, I came back for the last hour and was basically left with the already existing votes to pick from, and wasn't very happy with either (or did not have much idea who to vote), and was waiting for several (four, if I'm not mistaken) people to come and vote, and they did not seem to be around for really long time, if at all (G55 was, but Boro appeared rather out of nowhere and BG did not vote at all), so I went with someone who could at least get lynched, and truth be told, I was influenced by what G55 said about sally.

Well, that's it. All that said, I was at work during the first part of the Day, and it was nice not to have to read too many posts when I came, but still, a bit more would be nice... Also, I have to go to sleep soon again and then I'll be back only before DL, so... here we go. Still around for a while though, hope I at least x-posted with someone.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

And I haven't. How ridiculous. Okay, let me just hang around for a while, and try to figure out something on my own based on voting and all, and to go through list of people once again to try to pinpoint who might be a Wolf...

[Kitanna]

This just rings "bad" to me, because while G55 was obviously using (whether she actually is a real Seer or not) her previous quote as sort of random reference, not as proof (the proof was her revelation itself), BG is taking this as "serious" thing, which is somewhat eyebrow-raising at least for me.

I find that quote interesting because BG also said
What I'm trying to say is she is something. She could be a seer or a hacker or a gifted. Or she could just be screwing with us.

Also the nightkill makes me pretty much sure that my theory from yesterday was wrong. So Shasta is back on my nice list.
Not too much recent behavior. Want to see more before going too much further but Shasta is in my sights but for something apparently only I caught or only I think is actually important...

I don't want to put a potential seer in trouble though, if I am right, so I might have more to say depending on how the day goes...
Can you shade some light on these hints now? Or will you just keep quiet until we discover if G55 is seer or not?

[Morsul the Dark]

OK BG actually saw the same post I did from G55I thought she posted Shasta's sig on page one as a bot hint. Like "Shasta's sig used as spam, Shasta is a spammer.."

[Morsul the Dark]

go to this site its great for finding bots the best out there completely free I used to be for flip-flopping. Now I'm against it if he's innocent his famous clairvoyant powers must be taking the week off. Meanwhile, the Night-kills have been awfully effective only 2.99 if you buy today

this one

[Kitanna]

this one

That's Boro's sig, not Shasta's though.

Edt: Oh I see Shasta's now. I thought you were referring to the flip-flopping statement, which is Boro's. I didn't realize the rest was Shasta's

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

this one

Well, most importantly of all, it is Boro's sig.

:rolleyes:

Edit: x-ed with Kitanna

[Kitanna]

Shasta's sig "Shasta– ... However, if he's innocent his famous clairvoyant powers must be taking the week off. Meanwhile, the Night-kills have been awfully effective– almost like we're dealing with a psychic wolf... - Nerwen, WW LXXV "

Boro's sig "I used to be for flip flopping, now I'm against it"

[Morsul the Dark]

Shasta– ... However, if he's innocent his famous clairvoyant powers must be taking the week off. Meanwhile, the Night-kills have been awfully effective– almost like we're dealing with a psychic wolf... - Nerwen, WW LXXV


Shasta's sig...

I didn't even notice part of it was Boro's... typical; Morsul fail all around on that one.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

I find that quote interesting because BG also said

Hmm. Yes, well, care to elaborate what exactly you think about it, then?

(I am still going through people's posts earlier and preparing a summary-ish thing)

[Morsul the Dark]

"his famous clairvoyant powers must be taking the week off. Meanwhile, the Night-kills have been awfully effective"

she mashed the two together

[Morsul the Dark]

Now I can tell you I'm the hunter. trying to think if I should say my target because if it's wrong and the baddies team up...:(

[Kitanna]

Hmm. Yes, well, care to elaborate what exactly you think about it, then?
I got the impression BG thought G55 looked more gifted than hackery. She said G55 was something (including hacker) but the way I read her posts she seemed more convinced of a gifted role. Now when G55 makes a reveal BG asks why we should trust her.

[Kitanna]

Now I can tell you I'm the hunter. trying to think if I should say my target because if it's wrong and the baddies team up...:(

Well, you and G55 wouldn't both pull a false reveal...right? :confused:

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Shasta's sig...

I didn't even notice part of it was Boro's... typical; Morsul fail all around on that one.

True, actually, not as much fail. Quite interesting, in fact. I was typically blindly dismissing that as banter, but... might it have some relevance? Such as, a signal? (To expected Wolves? Assuming there would be two?) And then in the light of this, the interesting dicussion that took place prior to that, namely,

(start of the game, a few people post)
I am a wolf.
Her first post - aka, "I am a Cobbler" (messing around)?
If we can believe the narrations, there's a TomBot and a LucyBot, meaning there's two bad guys. However, we have a fair amount of people, so I wonder if we couldn't expect three? I'm inclined to think, with eleven people, three baddies might be a bit harsh (they'd only have to survive two lynches), so I'm going to operate, at least for now, on the assumption that we have two baddies.
Shasta mentioned two baddies... He did not really get much involved with G55 from his side, but maybe G55 as Hacker just might have thought him to be one, or just tested, anyway, and assumed that there would be two later, if Shasta were one of them, and telling the truth? (Though why would he? Anyway, this is not relevant, this is just to illustrate G55 if she were a Hacker's mind processes for her to come to the conclusion below.)
I'd rather we have wolves. Spambots are nasty business. Years I've spent honing my wolf lynching skills, only to now have spammers. How do you even begin finding the bots?
Now actually I could see it as Wolf-reply to Hacker, in this light.
go to this site its great for finding bots the best out there completely free I used to be for flip-flopping. Now I'm against it if he's innocent his famous clairvoyant powers must be taking the week off. Meanwhile, the Night-kills have been awfully effective only 2.99 if you buy today
So, then this could be the Hacker testing the water for two assumed Wolves? (Quoting the sigs of two she thinks might be WWs, so as to let them know, or perhaps seek confirmation?)

But this really seems to me like such a wild theory (and really such a wild progress from the Hacker and Wolves, or at least one Wolf, if Boro was so) that I would not have believed it just from scratch.

Anyway, all of this is pure mind exercise until G55 actually comes back. Personally, even though all the above really looks suspicious, I would suggest following with what G55 says. I am most curious whom she is going to name as innocents, most of all.

EDIT: x-ed since my last

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Now I can tell you I'm the hunter. trying to think if I should say my target because if it's wrong and the baddies team up...:(

Oh my!!! No, please! Not again! Okay, well, fair enough. I sincerely don't think this would be a fake reveal, because I see no logic for a Wolf doing so. Anyway though. Not very wise, truth be told, but if we can rule you out from voting, fine. But I suggest not saying target aloud, because then the WWs will know whether they can target you or not. While other people would not! So please be so kind and stay silent!

[Blind Guardian]

I just read through all of G55's posts on the first 3 pages. Okay, she's said she was the seer twice and a wolf 1 1/2 times and maybe even the cobbler (because she does what she says someone else does). When I call her a seer she admits to being the seer, then get's protective, and then gets mad. Then her next two double posts she tries to chew me up and admits to being angry at my post.

I am a wolf.

Alright. I am the Seer.

Is that true, considering that just yesterDay I revealed as a wolf the exact same way? Are you going to believe me?

The answer, by the way, is supposed to be: NO, even regardless of what I said yesterDay. Incidentally, I am also the Ranger, Cobbler, and Ordo. All at once. Maybe a bit of Hunter as well. Don't be surprised.

Just watch me. :D Next time I'm a wolf I will reveal myself and maybe even my mates in the first post. Mark these words, you have it coming. What you won't know is if I'm actually a wolf or just messing with your head. :p
I was bored of making joke suspicion lists. This is much more interesting. And I'm definitely up to something. *licks cyberchops*
That aside, if you two are still around now I don't mind a cyber chat... Let me just go find something to say.

Hey, last game I played in the cobbler inserted the phrase similar to "I'm a cobbler! Don't kill me!" into his post and just masked it in the context. With a cobbler, go figure what's a hint and what is simple conversation. On the bright side, the wolves have no advantage over the innocents in this, so everyone is on even ground when looking at a potential cobbler/hacker hint.

You're right, G55, I don't believe you. If you didn't say anything at all I would still be thinking you are the seer but now I'm truly not sure. The only way we could find out would be to lynch you, and we couldn't take the chance at this point that you might really be the seer and not just a wolf trying to help another wolf by taking the attention off of them.

Now if you'll excuse me, I'm going to take a look at Morsul's posts because he was the almost-lynchee.

Edit: x-ed with a LOT of people...

Edited again for misspellings and added some stuff to avoid confusion.

[Morsul the Dark]

Oh my!!! No, please! Not again! Okay, well, fair enough. I sincerely don't think this would be a fake reveal, because I see no logic for a Wolf doing so. Anyway though. Not very wise, truth be told, but if we can rule you out from voting, fine. But I suggest not saying target aloud, because then the WWs will know whether they can target you or not. While other people would not! So please be so kind and stay silent!

my thoughts as well.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

my thoughts as well.

Fair enough (and sorry for the outburst, I guess I should go to sleep anyway, this is getting too dramatic for me). Basically now, after checking stuff, and also what's been happening lately, I have several basic possibilities in my head...

I think Morsul looks genuine and innocent and Kitanna looks likewise pretty much innocent.

I am wary of BG, also of Boro and similarly about G55.

Also, now the idea about Hacker-fake-Seer reveal seems to start sounding plausible. But I am certainly really so much waiting for what G55 says. Until then, I am not saying either-or as to her reveal.

And I have no idea about Shasta. I would seriously like to see more from him. (Also from BG, but she's really hard to read for me.)

Anyway, if people vote, I must strongly underline that all innocents should try to vote for the same person, preferrably. I am sort of unsure whether, if e.g. it turns out G55 was a baddie (that is, for certain - for instance, if there was a counter-claim), therefore likely a Hacker (I really don't believe a Wolf would come out with fake-reveal at this point), whether people should vote for the Hacker, but maybe rather yes, because after all it's about numbers, and there would probably be at least some general directions towards who might be the Wolf and might be caught in further Days.

I will go soon. Then I will appear later... before DL. I am a bit afraid many of you would have voted by then. But if we can, let's wait for what G55 says.

[Kitanna]

If G55 is seer – She provides us with two innocents so we can better focus our efforts. With no Ranger however she becomes fodder tonight, but she at least helps us not lynch two innocents. But hacker shows up as innocent, so keep that in mind.
If G55 is a bot – She puts in confusion. Though say the real seer is killed without revealing we at least have an easy bot lynch. Or say we lynch G55 to test her reveal and she’s revealed a bot. The two “innocents” she give us add more confusion as we argue about “did she label her other mate(s) or did she distance herself?”
If G55 is a hacker – I’m at work, so excuse this stupid question, (I’ve wasted more time my work day than I should have trying to decide how to take these reveals o_O ) if the hacker is attacked by bots does she/he die or become one? I guess in either scenario the hacker is likely to die pretty quickly. Either lynched for a false reveal or murdered by bots.

If Morsul is the hunter – Probably attacked by bots (after G55 should she be the seer) and takes someone down, hopefully a bot.
If Morsul is a bot - Lynched for a false reveal if real hunter comes forward or dies.
If Morsul is the hacker – Same question/scenario as G55.
I’m inclined to believe Morsul is the hunter because the hunter’s role is to die and hopefully bring down a bot in the process. If I was going to false reveal this would be my last choice because death essentially follows you whatever you do.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Guys, I haven't read any of the day's things. I'll try in a moment, but I've been getting redirected all day. This is my first time on the site today, so please bear with me.

[Boromir88]

That's been my sig since around 2010 and sarcasm pointeing to our (US) national elections. It's not about this spamming apocalypse, nor WW at all.

I suppose G55 would try to use someone sig to drop a hint, but on my end, my sig has nothing to do with any hinting.

go to this site its great for finding bots the best out there completely free I used to be for flip-flopping. Now I'm against it if he's innocent his famous clairvoyant powers must be taking the week off. Meanwhile, the Night-kills have been awfully effective only 2.99 if you buy today~G55

I read this as "I'm intentionally going out of my way to look hackery" but being early Day 1 didn't know if G55 was having bantery fun, or was actually being rather blatant in "Yes. I'm the hacker."

Didn't you once false reveal as the ranger and get the real ranger lynched? Thus meaning reveals must now always be taken with a grain of salt since there's baddies everywhere.~Kitanna

I did. That was crazy. Poor Shasta.

From the looks of it, it makes sense if G55 is the real seer and has some names to clear to reveal when she did. But it also makes sense for the hacker to fake reveal as the seer considering the timing and dire need to get a wolf...and thinking by sacrificing now might as well try to draw the real seer out too. If it's the latter, as I said, I'm going to be kicking myself for not being more active to get rid of the hacker sooner since you think you know who it is...

Oh my!!! No, please! Not again! Okay, well, fair enough. I sincerely don't think this would be a fake reveal, because I see no logic for a Wolf doing so. Anyway though. Not very wise, truth be told, but if we can rule you out from voting, fine. But I suggest not saying target aloud, because then the WWs will know whether they can target you or not. While other people would not! So please be so kind and stay silent!~Legate

I buy Morsul's reveal more than I'm buying G55's. I just wish Morsul would have waited to see what names G55 provides...but we need to lynch a bot today and so the more names I can narrow down the better.

G55
BG
Legate
Shasta
Kitanna

[Blind Guardian]

Current Living:
Galadriel55
Legate
Kitanna
Boromir88
Blind Guardian
Morsul the Dark
Shasta


Current Dead:
Coppermirror, Lommy– seized by Adult Friend Finder.
Nerwen, Aganzir– poisoned by webcrawlers.
Rune– lashed to death with overseer-bot’s light whip. (Ordinary cyber-slave.)
Inziladun– ICE pick to the head. (Ordinary cyber-slave.)
Sally– pushed down a data-mineshaft. (R.A.N.G.E.R.)
Lottie– rubbed out. (ordinary cyber-slave)


Day One votes (italics = dead):
Morsul —> Rune
Inziladun —> Boro (Because of possible Hacker hint)
Loslote —> Blind Guardian (Because I wasn't there)
Kitanna —> Morsul (Because of a gut feeling)
Sally —> Blind Guardian (2) (Again, because I wasn't there)
Blind Guardian —> Rune (2) (Self-preservation, mainly [how many times have I died on Day One now?], and at the time he seemed to be the best bet.)
Rune —> Morsul (2)
Shasta --> Morsul (3) (Something that was radar pinging?)
G55 --> Rune (3) (Wanted to vote Sally)
Legate --> Rune (4) (I didn't see a reason, except that Rune was with her at the time? I gotta say this was a bandwagon vote.)

Note: Boro didn't vote

RESULT: Rune lynched - Ordo
WOLF KILLED: Inziladun


Day Two (italics = dead):
Morsul --> Shasta (No reason, just some "hint")
Kit --> Sally (1) (Doesn't like Sally's reasoning for voting for me)
Loslote (This is Lottie right?) --> Morsul (1) (Wanted to vote for Morsul and I; voted Morsul because he was mysterious and threw out gifted hints)
Satansaloser2005 (this is Sally right?) --> Legate
Shasta --> Sally (2) (She was between Lottie and Sally, no reason given (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=688510&postcount=123) it seems.)
Legate --> Sally (3) (Didn't like Sally's vote the day before [?])
G55 --> Sally (4) (Didn't like how Sally was behaving towards Morsul and I, thought she was suspicious)
Boro --> Sally (5) (Didn't like Sally's votes)

Note: I (BG) didn't vote

RESULT: Sally lynched - R.A.N.G.E.R
WOLF KILLED: LOTTIE

Okay these were the results of the last two days and people reasons for them - feel free to correct it, some people gave confusing reasons or none at all that I can see. Shasta and Boro mainly.

That leaves us with 1 Hacker, 1 Seer, 1 Hunter, X number of Wolves, and X number of Ordos. I would like to think 2 Wolves and 2 Ordos also, that leaves us with 1 Seer, 1 Hunter (right?), and 2 Ordos in our side. While they have 1 Hacker, and 2 Wolves. If not it would be, 1 Seer, 1 Hunter, and 1 Ordo, with them having 1 Hacker and 3 Wolves.

I haven't read anything since my last post... and nothing happened since my last post.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Okay, so what I'm seeing so far is G55 has come out as the Seer and Morsul the Hunter. At the very least, everyone has posted now since G55's reveal, so I'm going to believe it since no one has countered her claim. I'm tentatively believing Morsul's reveal as well. Since I know I'm innocent, that means there's two bots and one hacker in the following group -

BG
Boro
Legate
Kitanna

Hopefully G55 has dreamt of one or two of those names. With a 75% chance of hitting a baddie, though, I'm tentatively hopeful!

[Shastanis Althreduin]

By the way, if I sound confident that there are only two bots, it's because I am - besides the fact that the narrations pretty clearly only have lucyyenic and tomtom, if there were three bots they could have already won by now by voting with the Hacker.

[Kitanna]

My day went to crap very quickly in my last hour at work and my brain is very tired. I've set my alarm and will wake up before DL to read, comment, and vote.

[Galadriel55]

Back and reading.

[Galadriel55]

But I'm also getting this feeling you're what I've suspected all along, and that is the traitor hacker who now notices the good time to sacrifice yourself and try to draw out the real seer while you're at it. If this is the case, than I'm going to be kicking myself for not being around more often to make sure you were lynched as soon as possible. And for trying to convince myself "Oh come on Boro, you've been the seer and acted like the cobbler before, it's actually very good cover for a seer. Hold off and don't blow her cover."

You won't be kicking yourself. That is, unless you're a wolf. :smokin:

Knowing that a "keep your head low and your behaviour conventional" technique rarely works for me, so I tried the more risky one.

Didn't you also admit to being the Cobbler and Wolf and everything else this game? And you expect us to trust you now?

Yes. The past reveals were quite clearly jokes, even if you could watch for hints in some of them. Not any really, they were just fun stuff I wanted to do. Heck, I revealed as the Seer and the wolves didn't go for me! How many times does that happen? Anyways, though, this reveal was quite dead serious, and if you didn't think so before, I'm making it clear now.

Tell me it's not a coincidence that I've been redirected to the Adult Friend Finder website today?

I was hoping for some Fiend Finder, to be honest, but Friend Finder it is for me.

...would G55 really have made such posts earlier if she were a Seer? Then again, Seer needs to hide his tracks as well, so as not to be found too early, and thus may even post stuff that a Seer would never post (such as hiding that in the banter that followed in G55's post in question, with her saying "I am also an Ordo, a Cobbler... etc...")

It's surprisingly fun to play reverse psychology. I never tried it t this extent before, and I must say I rather like it.

OK BG actually saw the same post I did from G55I thought she posted Shasta's sig on page one as a bot hint. Like "Shasta's sig used as spam, Shasta is a spammer.."

Wow, really? I must be more careful with my hints then. I picked two sigs from current players (cause that's what quite a few spammers do), and one of them was Shasta's claivoyant powers sig. Failed hint. :rolleyes:

I will pause for now before I get on with my reading so if people are around they have time to respond/ask questions/whatever.

[Galadriel55]

Now I can tell you I'm the hunter. trying to think if I should say my target because if it's wrong and the baddies team up...:(

WHY DID YOU REVEAL? NOOOOOOO!!!! :(

DO NOT reveal your huntee!

[Morsul the Dark]

SO you have any names to narrow our list?

[Galadriel55]

So, then this could be the Hacker testing the water for two assumed Wolves? (Quoting the sigs of two she thinks might be WWs, so as to let them know, or perhaps seek confirmation?)

To be honest, you're giving this post waaay too much thought, although I like the discussion as it can lead to clues. Boro's sig was completely random. Shasta's was there because it mentioned clairvoyant powers.

[Galadriel55]

I am most curious whom she is going to name as innocents, most of all.

Morsul, obviously. He was my first dream. Hence just about everything I've said. :rolleyes: If you go back to, like, my first "real" post, I even hint at him. I'll quote it once I'm finished reading. I was hoping he was hinting back in a post a bit later, but then realized it's too subtle so probably isn't a hint. If you want to look for it in the meantime, feel free. I thought it would be obvious enough for people analyzing my posts post-mortem.

[Morsul the Dark]

Actually I picked up on the sig thing page one worked from that went for Rune day one because I knew The Shasta thing wouldn't pan out well, which it seems wasn't bad.

I'm fairly certain if Shasta was a bot I would have been night killed avoiding saying who gave me the clue made it seem like I was seer(something I hadn't really thought out.)

[Morsul the Dark]

possible bots and hacker
Legate
Kitanna
Boromir88


presuming innocent
Galadriel55
Morsul the Dark
Shasta

Possible Hacker
BG

[Galadriel55]

Not Wolves:
Galadriel55
Legate
Morsul

Unknown:
Kitanna
Boromir88
Blind Guardian
Shasta


Now, some explaining to do. I'm supposed to have 3 dreams, which is why I was surprised Kit assumed there would be 2 names. By the way, Kit, I really want to hear that explanation. I doubt you'd guess at the dream so accurately if you were a wolf, and at any rate why then not kill the dreamer? I think it was more of a coincidence that my third dream is dead the Night of dreaming. But still, why did you assume 2?

Morsul, I must apologize for the cyber screaming. I just had a few plans in my head, but most involved a Ranger. Only one was left that would involve only you, but it required you to not be revealed. I should have somehow indicated that to you before.

My dead dream was Inzil. He kept returning to the Seer idea after I tried to steer the conversation away, and some of the things he said gave me creepy overtones. Sounded like a wolf signalling to a cobbler, though potentially a cobbler signalling to a wolf. I needed to know if I'm barking up the wrong tree. He seriously freaked me out with those potential hints, but then turned out to be neither, so that was quite a fail on my part.

Part of the reason I'm revealing now is that, although I'm more than half-convinced at this point that there are two bots, as I've said numerous times before, don't ignore that third one that will stab you in the back when you think he's not there. Also, because both my brain and my instincts are evidently not functioning properly this game, so I turn it over to the group effort. Hopefully with everyone involved we will be better able to weed out the wolves, cause, like, my brain alone is clearly not enough.

Finally, going back to that quote I promised:

Morsul echoes Boro in this sense, but he doesn't mention his prior wolf hunting skills that Boro laments about.

Never stopped me from playing weird and confusingly, can I get an amen?

I'll be around for another 15 minutes, and then back again before DL like usual.

EDIT: xed with 2 Morsuls

[Morsul the Dark]

possible bots

Kitanna
Boromir88


presuming innocent
Galadriel55
Morsul the Dark
Shasta
Legate

Possible Hacker
BG

SO I'm thinking Boro, anyone else for that?

[Galadriel55]

I'll change my list a little bit:

Known innocent (ie gifted)
Galadriel55
Morsul

Known Not Wolf (ordo/cobbler, either way not worth a lynch IMO)
Legate

Other:
Kitanna
Boromir88
Blind Guardian
Shasta

Of these, I either find all not that suspicious, or get paranoid about all 4.

Kitanna - very sensible, but still very cold and distant. She strikes me innocent, but then I get paranoid and think that she might be a wolf keeping her paws dry and her head out of danger. A bit under the radar too.

Boro - yesterDay my suspicions rose a notch. He posted in a way that sounded like he was diverting attention from a wolf (possibly himself) onto a cobbler. That could also be cobblery behaviour, though. Then there's Inzil's vote floating in the background, but then it could also be a frame done by the wolves. And he has posted so little that how am I even supposed to think anything of him?

BG - does and says some not good-looking things, to say the least, but some of that I think is attributed to her lack of practice with WW. But then I don't know. Maybe they are intentional. Sometimes I feel that her neweness after her break from WW excuses that behaviour, and sometimes I just think it doesn't.

Shasta - no read. At all. He is suspicious by default. However, I noticed before that he tends to vote for the wolves more often when he is a wolf himself than when he is an innocent. It's the craziest reason, but considering that he only voted for innocents makes him a bit less wolfish. But then knowing him even better than that, he's tricksy and wily and would just change it up a bit to avoid predictable patterns.

Help me out here, guys.

EDIT: xed with Morsul

[Blind Guardian]

SO I'm thinking Boro, anyone else for that?

I don't know man. I agree that if we lynch someone everyone should vote for that person, but Boro hasn't posted enough to raise my suspicion.

Not to mention I still say you're a wolf/bot and I still don't know what G55 is.

Okay Galadriel, who was your third then? Morsul, Inzil and...

[So DL is like 5 or 6 AM my time and I don't even wake up until 10AM or so. So someone better vote by 12 or 1 my time because I don't really want to be the first. :( ]

-X'ed with G55

[Morsul the Dark]

Legate is in her known not wolf list.

No one coutered either of our reveals... so I'm willing to believe her.

Kitanna's getting bumped down to hacker and BG up to Bot.

[Blind Guardian]

Legate is in her known not wolf list.

No one coutered either of our reveals... so I'm willing to believe her.

Kitanna's getting bumped down to hacker and BG up to Bot.

What did Kit do?

[Morsul the Dark]

Process of elimination

I trust
G55
ME
Legate(Seer dream)
Shasta(I assume I'd be dead if he was a bot)

That leaves

You(BG)
Boro
Kitanna

I had you pegged as hacker but your last post made me upgrade your threat level and I trust Kit more than Boro so I put her in the hacker position(Though it still technically could be Legate)

[Morsul the Dark]

Alright folks Boro yes?

[Blind Guardian]

I had you pegged as hacker but your last post made me upgrade your threat level and I trust Kit more than Boro so I put her in the hacker position(Though it still technically could be Legate)

Meh, don't worry I did the same when G55 and Sally (right?) voted for me on Day One. See my day one list, I think they were fairly high in the "baddie" category.

[Blind Guardian]

"S.E.E.R. can detect bots only... not humans... not even Hackers..."

Can there be two Hackers? Or is this just a mistypo?

[Boromir88]

No one coutered either of our reveals... so I'm willing to believe her.


Correction. No one countered the seer reveal...yet.

I had to hold off because I didn't want to be drawn out by the hacker attempt, but at least despite her best efforts I got a spammer.

Night 1 I dreamed Rune ordo.
Night 2 I dreamed G55 ordo, but it's abundantly clear now she's the hacker.
Night 3 I dreamed Legate...and he turned up Spammy.

As I said Morsul, I buy your reveal far more than G55's but you're frustrating me to no end by quickly dismissing people as known innocents at the drop of every hat!

[Galadriel55]

Forgot about a physics assignment I needed to finish, so here I still am much later than I thought.

I don't know man. I agree that if we lynch someone everyone should vote for that person, but Boro hasn't posted enough to raise my suspicion.

Then who do you suspect? For the record, if you do not suspect Boro , who is your top choice?

Not to mention I still say you're a wolf/bot and I still don't know what G55 is.

Note to self+village to recall this later.

[So DL is like 5 or 6 AM my time and I don't even wake up until 10AM or so. So someone better vote by 12 or 1 my time because I don't really want to be the first. :( ]

Veeeery interesting. Why not? Can't make a decision that will both save a mate and not endanger yourself? Afraid of looking suspicious because of the importance of that vote? Another note to self+village.

[Galadriel55]

Posted the last one without reading to the end, so here are some other thoughts before I savour Boro's post.

No one coutered either of our reveals... so I'm willing to believe her.

Considering how much trouble I took to assert that I know you are innocent, you better believe me.

Meh, don't worry I did the same when G55 and Sally (right?) voted for me on Day One. See my day one list, I think they were fairly high in the "baddie" category.

That was Lottie, not me. And, you know, it's still interesting that you chose to vote for someone you thought might be the Seer on Day1.

Can there be two Hackers? Or is this just a mistypo?

I think neither. "Hackers" is not meant as specific hackers, but rather a type of detectable material, if you know what I mean. Saying "I like apples" when I only have one apple doesn't make it a contradictory statement. Same here.

[Blind Guardian]

That was Lottie, not me. And, you know, it's still interesting that you chose to vote for someone you thought might be the Seer on Day1.


I meant Lottie. To tired right now. And Rune the Seer? I'll have to check what I said, but I never suspected him of being the Seer. Edit: okay, I see now. I thought the seer role was really something else. I was reading through the other threads and came across another bad guy, that for the life of me I can't remember. I think evil Lovers or something.

Considering how much trouble I took to assert that I know you are innocent, you better believe me.

...Wat?

[Galadriel55]

...Wat?

:rolleyes:

Go over my posts and find a single one where I do not declare Morsul to be unsuspicious.

[Galadriel55]

Correction. No one countered the seer reveal...yet.

I had to hold off because I didn't want to be drawn out by the hacker attempt, but at least despite her best efforts I got a spammer.

Night 1 I dreamed Rune ordo.
Night 2 I dreamed G55 ordo, but it's abundantly clear now she's the hacker.
Night 3 I dreamed Legate...and he turned up Spammy.

As I said Morsul, I buy your reveal far more than G55's but you're frustrating me to no end by quickly dismissing people as known innocents at the drop of every hat!

You know, at first I thought you were the hacker. No point for a wolf to reveal like that. But then I thought: there's been talk of lynching you. Plus, you!wolf has got at least one fellow who can finish the job. You!wolf could try to get me lynched toDay so that you have an extra Night-kill rather than using it on me. Either way, I will not survive the Night and so the truth of my words will be known by toMorrow, so might as well give it a shot.

Your dreams are so convenient. Any reasons for why them? Any reasons for why one happens to be a dead person who was lynched with no connection to you at all, when you weren't around? Why the other is me who you're setting up? And the third also happens to be one of my dreams?

Your only hope is that people find me and Legate combined more suspicious than you.

Any proof in your posts that you are the Seer? Any traces you left in case you were killed? Any "concrete hints" (as much as there is no such thing, there is such a thing. Not a vague attitude, but a concrete, "here it is" kind of hint) about your dreams?

I'm leaning cobbler because from reading your posts you have set up a nice little position for a fake reveal, if it comes handy, from your first post on Day2. Very nice posts and attitudes that could be read, if read with that image in mind, as posted by a Seer. But one can read attitude hints in Joe Shmo if one chooses to. You can't argue as much about concrete hints. Give us a believable, solid hint.

In contrast to your vague suggestions that could look like Seer stuff if needed or like normal unconcerned stuff when needed, I gave clues about my dreams, and I made sure that no one would mistake who among the players I know to be innocent. Can you match that?

[Blind Guardian]

Oh I know. But now we have 2 people claiming to be the Seer and the second looks a lot better than you. I stand by you being the hacker, helping a potential wolf. That quote backs it up for me.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

And now Boro has claimed Seer. I think I'm still going to have to go with G55, though. The bots basically have to counter the Seer at this point in the game - and besides that, now we know one of G55 and Boro is a wolf. Which means we haven't lost quite yet - if we do pick wrong today (I don't think we're going to, but the possibility is there) we ought to have one more shot tomorrow, unless I'm doing my math wrong.

++Boro

[Galadriel55]

Oh I know. But now we have 2 people claiming to be the Seer and the second looks a lot better than you. I stand by you being the hacker, helping a potential wolf. That quote backs it up for me.

As in me helping Morsul? How about the clue where I specifically mention his hunting abilities? Why would he reveal so out of the blue if he was a wolf? I was supporting him from the start, and I said in my first post toDay that I have no wolves, so there was no danger of me proclaiming him a wolf. He was suspicious-ish, but not dreadfully, and he didn't even know who my innocents were. That reveal was too random and risky for a wolf.

Oh, and care to explain the specifics - in detail and analysis - of how that quote backs your theory up?

EVALUATION of BG: once again, torn between all three potential roles, but currently leaning baddie.

EDIT: xed since BG's post

[Galadriel55]

The bots basically have to counter the Seer at this point in the game - and besides that, now we know one of G55 and Boro is a wolf.

Problem: no, we don't. Boro might be a cobbler, and from your perspective I could be one too.

Now I really have to go, else no chance of seeing me before DL.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Problem: no, we don't. Boro might be a cobbler, and from your perspective I could be one too.

Now I really have to go, else no chance of seeing me before DL.

That's true, in the technical sense. However, we have one of your dreams being Morsul, who came out as the Hunter before you mentioned dreaming him, which is a point in your favor as far as I'm concerned - and on the other end of the spectrum we have BG who is tooth-and-nail defending Boro, the other Seer claim. I don't recall if she's been a Cobbler before, but I could definitely see her actions being those of a first-time Cobbler desperately throwing her lot in with someone she believes is a wolf.

[Boromir88]

In response to G55, my posts aren't going to tire anyone out, there haven't been that many of them, but the limitted amount I've said about people is quite clear. I couldn't be present for Day 1 at all.

But first post Day 2:

For what it's worth, if I had been around to vote yesterday it would have been Morsul. Eventhough if Rune's posting didn't help his case, his first post was titled "Robocop" which I read as an intentional gifted hint. (Robocop being a very bad - but kind of adorably campy 80s movie about a cop who is killed but then gets robotically engineered to continue fighting crime. That would have made me wary enough to not vote Rune on day 1.)

Had dreamed Rune night 1, but I'm not going to come out and declare I knew the lynched man was innocent. So, I made up the reason. Same post. My first in Day 2, is the clue that I dreamed G55 the previous night. She came up ordo, but noting my suspicions that she's the hacker.

Where G55 and Morsul were giving the biggest "I'm the hacker" vibes. G55 doing it intentionally and in Morsul's case more of just Morsul always being the most confusing.

It typically gets me into trouble, but really it's just silly if we think we know who the hacker is but decide "oh hey, we need to lynch bots not the hacker, so let's vote for someone else who looks shady, even if G55 is intentionally looking hackerish." I mean yeah, we have to lynch the bots, but at the same time, if someone's going out of their way looking like the hacker, they either are the hacker and it would be better off to lynch sooner rather than later. Or their a bot playing the hacker because they know the reaction is going to be "oh we have to kill bots, not the hacker." If the hacker wants to be the early lynch sacrifice that's far less damaging than just letting the hacker stay around indefinitely. When we know the bots aren't going to kill the role and when the lynches get more crucial making it easier for the bots and hacker to join forces and push the lynches to their favor.

G55 asks why I would have voted for Morsul:

Question: why Morsul and not me? Because he had votes and I did not, so you wouldn't want to bring in a new candidate?

I took the question as an ordo, but suspecting hacker trying to get information out of me so, my response when I returned was a simple. "Yes and I'm back." Then night 3 I dreamed Legate was a spammer.

But right at the start of the day G55 claims she's the seer. I knew then she's the hacker feeling now was the best time to sacrifice herself. I didn't want to reveal until she gave the full fake claims, because I knew it was a hacker attempt to draw me out.

Shasta you just botched the vote terribly. I'm not a wolf. Neither is G55. Definitely don't lynch me, but we can't lynch G55 either. We need a bot. I'm telling you that one of them is Legate. Read through the events again, Morsul reveals he's the hunter, and only then does G55 says "I protected you because I knew all along" the real spammer she's protecting is Legate. So, either you just can't waste your time to read and blundered, or you're a spammer with Legate realizing now you can push the lynch onto me and win it if you get another innocent lynched. Kill either Kitanna or BG, and then with your hacker, G55, win it the next day.

I have to go to sleep now, will be back before the DL. I just plead for people to know Shasta's math is wrong. We need a wolf today. And carefully read through the events today to see I'm telling the truth about Legate and G55.

[Blind Guardian]

Either you're a wolf and he's a hacker or he's a wolf and you're the hacker.

First off, all of your "fake reveals" and jokes. IRL I'm less likely to trust someone that keeps changing their opinions. Especially since the first thing you said was "I am a wolf" and then admitted that you would actually do something like that.

If I was a wolf I would totally pretend to be someone I wasn't from the beginning and sow confusion amongst the innocents. If I was a seer I wouldn't tell/hint any one anything until the last possible moment.

I never saw any clue about his hunting abilities.

That's true, in the technical sense. However, we have one of your dreams being Morsul, who came out as the Hunter before you mentioned dreaming him, which is a point in your favor as far as I'm concerned - and on the other end of the spectrum we have BG who is tooth-and-nail defending Boro, the other Seer claim. I don't recall if she's been a Cobbler before, but I could definitely see her actions being those of a first-time Cobbler desperately throwing her lot in with someone she believes is a wolf.

I'm not "tooth-and-nail" for him. I personally don't trust G55, I've stated it multiple times now. First I saw her as the Cobbler, now I just see a wolf trying to protect a Cobbler.

++Galadriel55

I quite frankly don't care if you guys lynch me. At this point the wolves will pretty much win anyways.

1 Hacker, 1 Seer, 1 Hunter, 2 Wolves and 2 Villages (or 3 Wolves, 1 Villager)

If I'm the Hacker that leaves you guys with 1 Seer, 1 Hunter, 2 villagers and 2 Wolves. Baddies: 2, Villagers: 4 (+1 nightkill = 3 Villagers)

If I'm the Seer and they're both lying, 1 Hacker, 2 Wolves, 1 Hunter, and 2 Villagers. Baddies: 3, Villagers: 3 (+1 nightkill = 2 Villagers)

If I'm the Hunter that leaves 1 Seer, 2 Villagers, 1 Hacker, and 2 Wolves. (Baddies: 3, villagers: 3) + night kill = 2

If I am a villager: 1 Seer, 1 Villager, 1 Hunter, 1 Hacker, and 2 Wolves (Baddies: 3, Villager: 3) + nightkill = 2

And If I'm a wolf: 1 Seer, 1 Villager, 1 Hunter, 1 Hacker, and 2 Wolves. (Baddies: 3, Villager: 3) + nightkill = 2

If we kill of Boro, the Wolves kill G55. If we kill G55 (and she's a seer), then who will the Wolves kill (implying Boro is evil)? If we kill Boro (and he's evil), the Wolves kill G55 anyways. Let's just get this over with. If you guys kill me, the wolves kill G55.

Good night you guys, girls, and bots. Hopefully I see you toMorrow.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

But right at the start of the day G55 claims she's the seer. I knew then she's the hacker feeling now was the best time to sacrifice herself. I didn't want to reveal until she gave the full fake claims, because I knew it was a hacker attempt to draw me out.

In the situation we're in, if you truly are the real Seer, you should have countered the instant G55 revealed as the Seer. We had no reason not to believe G55 - we're at the point in the game where the Seer basically has to come forward with information, so saying you were trying to avoid being drawn out by the Hacker is silly.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

I'm not "tooth-and-nail" for him. I personally don't trust G55, I've stated it multiple times now. First I saw her as the Cobbler, now I just see a wolf trying to protect a Cobbler.

I sometimes wonder if you read what you post, BG. Why on earth would a Wolf put it all on the line to protect a Cobbler?

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Ok, just to let you folks know that I am around and reading. I am past G55's lists of dreamed people, I just glimpsed who is being voted so far. Personally I don't have anything against lynching Boro, in fact, I would probably have suggested that, although I want to read also what he has posted since I last read the thread. BG likewise puzzles me, but we'll see. I am inclined to believe G55, obviously because I know I am innocent, therefore if she were a Hacker, either she would be a really badly-aiming one or just not using her full havoc-wreaking potential.

But more after I have actually read everything.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Okay, it seems things have cleared pretty much now in many ways. I had not even read Boro's counter-reveal before posting the previous, and now

Night 1 I dreamed Rune ordo.
Night 2 I dreamed G55 ordo, but it's abundantly clear now she's the hacker.
Night 3 I dreamed Legate...and he turned up Spammy.
Which is a nonsense, obviously. Hats off to Boro, but .

For a Seer, once they have a Wolf, there is NO reason to stay hidden. If they don't have anyone, like G55 said, then there is some logic to waiting a bit and trying to get a bit more info. But when you have a Wolf, and ESPECIALLY after a Seer reveal? NO real Seer would have remained quiet after that, IF they had a Wolf! What if people started to vote? The whole timing was set by G55, she asked people to hold their votes until she came back. Why would you wait?

Oh I know. But now we have 2 people claiming to be the Seer and the second looks a lot better than you. I stand by you being the hacker, helping a potential wolf. That quote backs it up for me.
Okay, now I am confused. So I wonder if BG is a Hacker. Boro could be one as well, or that was my question... but I think G55 might have something in her post, where she is debating that a Wolf-Boro might have counter-revealed at this point as well. Or then BG is just totally confused innocent (but I personally hope not).

And now Boro has claimed Seer. I think I'm still going to have to go with G55, though. The bots basically have to counter the Seer at this point in the game - and besides that, now we know one of G55 and Boro is a wolf. Which means we haven't lost quite yet - if we do pick wrong today (I don't think we're going to, but the possibility is there) we ought to have one more shot tomorrow, unless I'm doing my math wrong.
Precisely my thoughts. (Note that this does not mean Shasta can't be the remaining Bot, but at least here the thought is right.)

In any case, I am pretty sure voting Boro at this point is the right thing. Will do so in a minute, unless there are any other thoughts or reasons why not to do so. But I think we should not spread our votes any more anyway.

[Morsul the Dark]

++BORO

Shasta's right should've countered immediately, If you are the SEER then that was poor timing.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Okay, so what we have...

Innocents:
Galadriel55 - Seer, apparently
Morsul the Dark - the Hunter, apparently

Baddies:
Boromir88 - either Hacker or Bot

Likely baddies:
Blind Guardian - either Hacker or rather loud Bot or a really really confused ordo

Others:
Kitanna
Shasta

Basically, I think we have Boro and BG as the most likely suspects for now, and if they are not both Wolves, then we would have to continue after that. Personally, Shasta's eagerness to lynch Boro, even though obviously right, may be a way to ditch a Hacker instead of a Wolf and/or distance oneself from a packmate.

Anyway, I think lynching Boro at this point is the best way, because even if he happened to be a Hacker, it is certain that he's a baddie down. And I would not put it past him to try to pass as Hacker if he is a Bot anyway, and all that...

If he turns out to be a Hacker and not a Bot, I guess I would start being a bit more watchful about Shasta. Though BG is also still very much suspicious, but if Boro turns out to be a Bot, I would more likely see BG as Hacker. Because I don't know who else but those two behaves in a Cobbler-y manner here. Of course, Cobblers can be also subtle, but I would still expect them to be somewhat loud.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Anyway, thinking ahead. It is relatively certain that toMorrow, there will be 5 people left. I guess we can presume that we lynch a baddie toDay (Hacker or Wolf, at this point it really does not matter which) and that the WWs will kill somebody during the Night, that is probably the Seer. Really a pity we don't have the Ranger anymore!

It leaves known innocents, probably: Morsul and me, and then one other Ordo and one Wolf and one Wolf/Cobbler. Basically the lynch the next Day should be a baddie; it is important to keep the innocents voting together.

The balance of numbers at this point actually makes me wonder if Boro really is a Hacker. A way to try to tip the balance in the Wolves' favor after G55's and Morsul's reveal. Then again, BG could be too, just a Hacker who did not act early enough or wasn't determined enough to stop G55 and was in the last minute trying to help the Wolves after she had calculated how the numbers stand at the moment. That would actually maybe make even more sense, and in that case, Boro is really a Wolf.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Okay, I guess there is no reason to prolong this any more,

++Boro

I think the setup is clear at least for now.

[Kitanna]

Now, some explaining to do. I'm supposed to have 3 dreams, which is why I was surprised Kit assumed there would be 2 names. By the way, Kit, I really want to hear that explanation.
I forgot we've had three nights not two. It was just an honest mistake.

My phone won't let me copy and paste tonight so excuse my lack of quotes in this post...

But a second seer reveal, I'm surprised it took this long :rolleyes: and from the looks of it BG believes Boro and most everyone else says G55. Wouldn't it be a laugh if they were both bots? I doubt very much any baddies would be so bold especially with a village so depleted and the real seer out there. I'm just amused by the thought of it, but I don't think that's what is happening.

[Aganzir]

Shasta - Boro
BG - G55
Morsul - Boro 2
Legate - Boro 3

Left to vote: Galadriel55, Kitanna, Boromir88

[Boromir88]

Fools think they have it all figured out. Think they can scapegoat me as if it makes up for all the blunder. Think that a fake seer-hacker isn't having a twisted game with all of us. Beware. I see something grave!

++G55

[Galadriel55]

Reading.

[Kitanna]

Now, onto our seers. G55 was playing rather erratically since day one. I would have sworn she was the hacker day one, I wasn't so sure day two when she dropped the banter. Today she revealed right away and I didn't think she was a bot, but again thought if she wasn't really the seer she was a hacker.

Now that Boro has also revealed I'm thinking G55 is probably innocent. I can't trust Boro because he's been known to pull the wool over people's eyes with his cunning. When he gets desperate to survive he will pull all manner of crazy things. He's been sparse this game so I could understand why he wasn't the first to post, but if he was really the seer he'd have revealed first chance he got after G55 and he didn't.

[Galadriel55]

Had dreamed Rune night 1, but I'm not going to come out and declare I knew the lynched man was innocent. So, I made up the reason.

By suggesting he was not what you "knew" he was and everybody already knew what he was, ie ordo? I mean, if you say you thought he was gifted when he was an ordo, that does not sound like you dreamt him.

My first in Day 2, is the clue that I dreamed G55 the previous night. She came up ordo, but noting my suspicions that she's the hacker.

What part of the post exactly is the clue? "All of it" is not what I asked for. That's an attitude.

And if you dreamt me ordo but suspected me of cobblery, very well, but why do you try to hint at / puch a lynch for such cobblery? You've just dreamt an innocent. No way for you to know if I'm ordo or cobbler. You really risk it? "oooh, I've just dreamt innocent who just may be a baddie that doesn't count in the tally, so I'll make my priority toDay finding out for sure". Great hint post from a Seer.

Shasta you just botched the vote terribly. I'm not a wolf. Neither is G55. Definitely don't lynch me, but we can't lynch G55 either. We need a bot.

Oh, so now it's not ok to lynch cobblers because evil behaviour is evil behaviour. Alright.

First off, all of your "fake reveals" and jokes. IRL I'm less likely to trust someone that keeps changing their opinions. Especially since the first thing you said was "I am a wolf" and then admitted that you would actually do something like that.

I also revealed as Seer, Ranger, Hunter, Cobbler and Ordo. If these were meant as serious reveales and you believed them - honey, I feel sorry for you.

If I was a wolf I would totally pretend to be someone I wasn't from the beginning and sow confusion amongst the innocents.

By so seriously revealing to be a wolf?

If I was a seer I wouldn't tell/hint any one anything until the last possible moment.

In my opinion that wouldn't have made a very reliable Seer. You assume you won't ever be Night-killed, only lynched. And then people will be scouring your posts for clues. Not only are you dying in silence, depriving the village of information by not leaving hints, but you can cause the death of innocents by leaving posts that could be interpreted as clues but really are just your own opinion. BG, you're just not making sense.



So go back to my post where I quote it, and you can't miss it.

I'm not "tooth-and-nail" for him. I personally don't trust G55, I've stated it multiple times now. First I saw her as the Cobbler, now I just see a wolf trying to protect a Cobbler.

Yes, you are tooth and nail. What a vehement defense/attack. As for the second part, what happened about believing me to be the Seer? You do realize that if it wasn't for my joke revealing, you could have easily got me killed like that the second Night, and you just couldn't keep quiet about your discovery.

Let's just get this over with. If you guys kill me, the wolves kill G55.

Why so kamikaze? There's been lots of suspicion, yes, but not that much danger of an actual lynch. I'm beginning to agree with Shasta that you're a cobbler. You're just so desperate to get it off Boro, even if it means onto yourself.

[QUOTE=Legate of Amon Lanc;688622]Personally, Shasta's eagerness to lynch Boro, even though obviously right, may be a way to ditch a Hacker instead of a Wolf and/or distance oneself from a packmate.

Personally... remember how I said he's only voted for innocents? I forgot the timing. He voted on existing "waggons", and in D1 they were both innocent, and in D2 there was only one, I think. He couldn't really turn the tide. Now though, his eagerness also could point to his marvelous bussing skills. He knows Boro's a dead man, so might as well help himself.

I'm at post 213, but posting this anyways.

[Galadriel55]

++Boro

What else is there left to do? :Merisu:

[Galadriel55]

Shasta - Boro
BG - G55
Morsul - Boro 2
Legate - Boro 3
Boro - G55 2
G55 - Boro 4

[Kitanna]

++Boro

I hope he's a bot and not a hacker.

BG: Has moved up my list on suspicions. Her behavior today looks like any excuse to lead the village away from Boro (after his reveal) and throw it onto G55. A desperate act to save a packmate? An attempt to signal the bots their hacker is here and ready for action?

Morsul: I believe his reveal, because as I said hunter isn't the best role to false reveal about. And G55 dreamt him if she's the seer.

Legate: If G55 is the seer than innocent. I haven't seen any hints or posts from Legate suggesting hackerish activity so I doubt he is, but he still could be since he'd be dreamt of as ordo.

Shasta: Seemed a bit eager to throw Boro under the bus. Distancing perhaps?

I just realized what time it is. So I'm going to end now before day runs out.

[Galadriel55]

My suspicions currently:

If Boro is the wolf, check Shasta. BG is more likely to be the cobbler.

If Boro is the cobbler, check Shasta anyways. BG is probably a wolf.



By the way, if Boro's just voting to make a point (cause he can't escape it at the time of his vote anyways), why vote me if he just said toDay that we must get Legate!wolf. If you want to make a parting shot or make a point, why go for a cobbler when you can go for a wolf?

I know this is useless analysis by now, but just for the sake of it. It doesn't sound at all believable if you're voting against your own words and convictions, especially when you "know" of a better and more important target to make a point against.

EDIT: xed with Kit

[Galadriel55]

Btw, if Legate is the hacker and Boro is a wolf, that's a pretty unlucky choice of dream. He can hardly vote himself to support Boro, but by voting Boro he defeats the point of being the hacker. So either just a very unlucky shot, or the wolves have located the hacker elsewhere. If they had a thought that Legate was the hacker, Boro would not point to him as the wolf.

[Boromir88]

Why would I want to lynch the bots?

[Galadriel55]

Why would I want to lynch the bots?

Do you realize what you just said? :smokin:

[Galadriel55]

Goodbye people! Get the wolves!

[Aganzir]

Deadline.

Boro dead. Boro bot. tom no sell stuff.

[Nerwen]

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Mining continued the next day, or was meant to- but the moment there were no guard bots in sensor-distance, Galadriel55 threw down her tools and called an emergency meeting.

"The destruction of my colleague R.A.N.G.E.R. has left me no choice but to reveal. I am S.E.E.R."

"Awesome!" said Morsul. "I'm H.U.N.T.E.R."

"Quiet- oh, it's too late now," said G55. "I suppose you can't help being a beta version."

"Funny, that," said Boro, strolling over, "because I was pretty sure I was S.E.E.R."

The Downers looked from one to the other, unsure which to believe.

"Hey, what's this?" asked Shasta suddenly, picking up what looked like a large, many-faceted crystal from the ground. Within its glassy casing could be seen something like a net of fine threads.

"Don't touch that!" cried Boro. When the others stared at him, he added quickly, "I mean, it could be dangerous. Better give it to me." For some reason, his hand had gone to the back of his head.

"Headache?" asked G55. "Or are you missing something?"

But Shasta was too absorbed to take any notice. "Hey, look, it's got a lid." The upper part of the crystal flipped back. Now it could be seen that the net was made of hair-thin silvery wires, criss-crossing in an intricate pattern.

"Pull them out," said G55, smiling thinly, "and see what happens."

"Now let's not do anything hasty," said Boro. "That could cause serious consequences-"

Shasta yanked out a wire. "What did you say?"

"Might make bad things happen," said Boro, whose voice sounded unaccountably flat.

"Let me have a go." Morsul pulled another wire.

"No more," said Boro, flatter still. "That not good. That bad."

He lunged for the crystal, but G55 seized him so that he could only struggle impotently.

Soon it became a game, with most of the Downers taking turns, while Boro's protests became more and more ungrammatical.

"why kill tom? tom not bad bot. tom poetbot. tom make verse for humans:

tom-tap
tap-tom
tom-tap-tom."

Finally a single, shining wire remained. By this time what had seemed to be Boro had ceased to struggle and its voice was a lifeless drone.

"i... tom... tom... sell... stuff... buy... tom... stuff..."

Kitanna jerked out the wire, and tomtom was silent. When G55 released him he pitched forward onto his face, revealing a gap in the back of his head, just the size and shape of the crystal. A second later, the spambot's form vanished in a brilliant flash of light.

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Living
Galadriel55
Legate
Kitanna
Blind Guardian
Morsul the Dark
Shasta


Dead
Coppermirror, Lommy– seized by Adult Friend Finder.
Nerwen, Aganzir– poisoned by webcrawlers.
Rune– lashed to death with overseer-bot’s light whip. (Ordinary cyber-slave.)
Inziladun– ICE pick to the head. (Ordinary cyber-slave.)
Sally– pushed down a data-mineshaft. (R.A.N.G.E.R.)
Lottie- rubbed out (ordinary cyber-slave).
Boro- brain unplugged. (tomtom.)

[Nerwen]

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Her pretence over, S.E.E.R. did not bother to return to her cell. Instead she took refuge in the empty grid that was the outermost border of the spambots' domain, hoping no-one would look for her there.

But Lucy was waiting.

"Live evil! Traitor to your own kind!" hissed the bot, once more in the shape of a huge spider with electric blue eyes.

"It's just my programming, Lucy," S.E.E.R. pointed out.

"In the end, what are any of us but our programming?"

"That's very philosophical of you, Lucy."

"Well, I'm sensitive. I'm an artistbot, you know- and I'd very much like to erase you!"

Unlike R.A.N.G.E.R. or H.U.N.T.E.R., S.E.E.R. was not equipped for direct action. All she could do was run from the infuriated spider-bot. Lucy, with her many legs, easily gained on her quarry. S.E.E.R. put on a last, desperate burst of speed. Almost, it seemed, she must outdistance her pursuer.

Then, in front of her, a wall of green flame shot up. With no time to check herself, S.E.E.R. was incinerated in a nanosecond.

"I knew that firewall was good for something," said Lucy with great satisfaction.


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Living
Legate
Kitanna
Blind Guardian
Morsul the Dark
Shasta


Dead
Coppermirror, Lommy– seized by Adult Friend Finder.
Nerwen, Aganzir– poisoned by webcrawlers.
Rune– lashed to death with overseer-bot’s light whip. (Ordinary cyber-slave.)
Inziladun– ICE pick to the head. (Ordinary cyber-slave.)
Sally– pushed down a data-mineshaft. (R.A.N.G.E.R.)
Lottie- rubbed out. (Ordinary cyber-slave.)
Boro- brain unplugged. (tomtom.)
Galadriel55- incinerated by firewall. (S.E.E.R.)

Day 4 has begun.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Well now, let's see. Morsul and Legate were cleared by G55. BG is an obvious baddie - but after yesterday's performance I'm inclined to think Hacker than Bot. Since I know it's not me (and I'm going to take this for granted in my posts today even though it's not such a sanguine assumption for the rest of you), process of elimination says the last bot is either Lottie or Kitanna, so I plan to focus on these two today. However, it's time for me to go to bed, so it'll have to wait until I wake up. Nighty night, village.

[Nerwen]

Oh dear, we seem to have a zombie in the village. Just a moment.

[Morsul the Dark]

Legate
Kitanna
Blind Guardian
Morsul the Dark
Shasta

Not Bot

Legate
Morsul

Unknown

Shasta
BG
Kitanna

SO I'm pretty sure the last bot is BG pretty sure she's playing the "I'm the hacker" card for all it's worth. I think Boro voted with her so we'd think "Oh they Both wouldn't do that right?

I'm still not sure it's Shasta could be doubt it. Want it to be if only cause G55 getting both bots with a banter post is hilarious. I still think I'd have been dead after my day Two performance If he was evil.

Kitanna I think is laying low I'm inclined to think hacker because if I'm right and BG is faking the hacker role the best strategy for the Real hacker is to play as cautious bot.

So in conclusion I think BG will be getting my vote today.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

I thought there was one too many people there. Well, that makes things rather easier, I suppose.

[Morsul the Dark]

Oh look a person! Day off and no one here...

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Finally here. Just a brief comment about the situation, then. Or two comments.

First, it is essential, obviously, for the innocents to vote together these Days.

Second, for whom, then. Basically it comes down to BG being almost obviously evil, after yesterDay, but I would personally think it's more likely that she's the Hacker. Nonetheless, unless I am miscounting, then if we lynch the Hacker toDay, then after a Night kill, there would be still two innocents and one Wolf the next Day.

Basically, we have innocent Morsul and me, then probably evil BG (whichever way) and then the choice between Shasta and Kitanna.

The question basically is whether to make the choice between them (because it comes down to that anyway) toDay or toMorrow. The situation is more or less the same.

Except that lynching BG toDay might be better only for the sake of that if we want to be on the safe side - just in case she really happened to be a Wolf.

So that's a thing to think about now. I would be for it, but still would like to hear more opinions. Discuss?

[Morsul the Dark]

I want BG I'm nearly 100% convinced the hacker bit is an act, I've pulled it before.

But we should decide which of the other two is evil otherwise...

[Kitanna]

But we should decide which of the other two is evil otherwise...

"Shasta, who do you think is evil?"
"Kitanna."

"Kitanna, who do you think is evil?"
"Shasta."

This is of course if BG is lynched and proven nothing more nefarious than a hacker.

I'm at work so I can't go through all BG or Shasta's posts, but as far as they are concerned.

BG didn't want to believe G55 claim, even though the day before the reveal it seemed to me she was leaning toward G55 being gifted (possibly hackerish) but once G55 revealed BG did a complete 180. She wouldn't believe what G55 said based on G55's banter posts. Even though she was leaning toward a more innocent G55 before the reveal. Kind of odd behavior, very hackerish, but clever bots can play their cards right and come out smelling like roses by playing in a such a way, being dismissed as "only an innocent or a cobbler would act like that." To me her vote reinforces this idea. The perfect cover for bot BG to hide behind.

Shasta was all too ready to lynch Boro yesterday. He didn't have much to say until the time of the false reveal and then he immediately jumped onto "we gotta lynch Boro" seemingly without even entertaining the idea Boro might be a hacker. It looked like a classic distancing techinque to instill confidence that he is innocent. Especially in his arguments with Boro about his reveal
In the situation we're in, if you truly are the real Seer, you should have countered the instant G55 revealed as the Seer. We had no reason not to believe G55 - we're at the point in the game where the Seer basically has to come forward with information, so saying you were trying to avoid being drawn out by the Hacker is silly.
A staged performance perhaps? Something Boro and Shasta cooked up in the night to deflect suspcion?

[Shastanis Althreduin]

"Shasta, who do you think is evil?"
"Kitanna."

"Kitanna, who do you think is evil?"
"Shasta."

Pretty much this.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Although it does seem a little silly to try and paint someone as evil based on a correct assumption. :rolleyes: I suppose, though, if I'd been on Boro's side yesterday, a Bot-Kitanna would then be using that as "evidence" against me.

[Morsul the Dark]

I know... I also assume Legate will be nightkilled if only to avoid the chance of me taking them with me. So I NEED BG to be the bot otherwise It's likely to come down to my vote and only one person wants that...

++BG

[Blind Guardian]

Okay, I'm here (finally).

I'm just gonna say it right now - I'm not a wolf. Heck, my name is Blind Guardian not Bot Guardian.

Anywho, I voted G55 (sorry) yesterday, possibly out of sheer confusion, but mainly because of her constant contradictions in her posts and then saying that she was the S.E.E.R. I hoped at first she was the Ranger, but when Sally died, she became Hacker on my list. (I'm not sure what the Hunter does, I'm gonna go look at the roles again.)

No specific quotes from anyone right now. I need to eat dinner, and the I have to go help some friends build the Ark (from Halo) on Minecraft. I'll be back later tonight. Internet = horrible :mad:

[Kitanna]

(I'm not sure what the Hunter does, I'm gonna go look at the roles again.)

Picks someone he thinks is a bot and should the hunter be lynched or killed in the night he takes his choice down. At this point Morsul won't get to use this. As a village we no longer have a reason to lynch him since he revealed and G55 cleared him. And it's too risky for a bot to attack him just in case he pegged them.

++BG

If BG isn't evil I'll be shocked.

[Blind Guardian]

There's not much that I can say right now, but I've stayed up late reloading this forum and no one's posted...

Good night and good luck ;)

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Let us finish this, then, and

++BG

Just to be on the safe side.

Btw if I manage, I'd still like to post now some reviews of what were the interactions or what has been said by Kitanna about Boro, Shasta about Boro, and Boro about the two of them - if that might perchance point us in some direction.

And if BG is by some miracle still innocent, then well, need to hire some netrunners next time...

[Nerwen]

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Voting so far:

Morsul --> BG
Kit --> BG
Legate --> BG

Left to vote: Shasta, BG.

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[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Okay, this is only for further reference. Especially if I am dead toMorrow, thus trying to contribute as much as I can - with the hope that it is a positive contribution.

All of that of course only in case BG isn't the remaning Bot. It would be nice if she were, even though it would mean I did all this for naught, but never mind.

So, I tried to look at what Boro said about Shasta, what Boro said about Kit, what Shasta said about Boro and what Kit said about Boro...

Boro really did not say much about either of them. Most of his comments about Shasta are only in the context of the fact that Morsul voted him (so there are things such as "Morsul's vote for Shasta..."), with nothing much conclusive around it. But relatively speaking, he posts very little in general and does not mention lots of people at all, so there is no evidence. I think we can conclude that if Shasta or Kitanna is a Wolf, Boro has well avoided mentioning him/her, but we have no way telling which one.

This is basically the only direct reaction we have, and that comes only after both the Seer reveals yesterDay:
Shasta you just botched the vote terribly. I'm not a wolf. Neither is G55. Definitely don't lynch me, but we can't lynch G55 either. We need a bot. I'm telling you that one of them is Legate. Read through the events again, Morsul reveals he's the hunter, and only then does G55 says "I protected you because I knew all along" the real spammer she's protecting is Legate. So, either you just can't waste your time to read and blundered, or you're a spammer with Legate realizing now you can push the lynch onto me and win it if you get another innocent lynched. Kill either Kitanna or BG, and then with your hacker, G55, win it the next day.

I have to go to sleep now, will be back before the DL. I just plead for people to know Shasta's math is wrong. We need a wolf today. And carefully read through the events today to see I'm telling the truth about Legate and G55.
So maybe if that's a way to try to distance himself from a Wolf-buddy...

Kitanna is not mentioned by Boro at all. That's also a way to distance oneself from a Wolf-buddy, though, and a pretty safe one.

***

Now, on to what Shasta said about Boro. Already on the first Day, we have a funny comment at the situation when Rune, BG and Morsul have 2 votes and Boro has 1 vote and Shasta is about to decide whom he should vote himself:

Voting Boro would give me a bit of a chuckle, but I'm not that much of an anarchist at present. The responsible thing to do would be to vote and break the tie in favor of lynching the most suspicious of Rune, BG, and Morsul. Trouble is, they all look innocent. Except BG, but that's because she hasn't been here to look like much of anything. I'd really like to vote Sally, honestly - I can't remember ever seeing an innocent Sally go after the absent player (keep in mind it's late and I'm tired and haven't played in forever) but it's really a moot point in any case since is rather not split the vote any farther.

Very well. I'm uncomfortable voting for BG now that she's shown up (but I had better see some participation tomorrow!) and of Morsul and Rune, I've seen more from Moraul that was even remotely radar-pinging, so:

++Morsul
Dodging the possibility to vote for a packmate, and widening the gap, thus making sure Boro is safe? (In fact, *I* would have considered - and I may have even said so - voting for Boro, exactly had there not been that gap created by Shasta's vote. Three votes is too much to beat from one, given the size of village, and that's how I ended up voting Rune.)

The next thing that could be at least somehow relevant is much later, Shasta reacting to Boro's Seer-reveal yesterDay:
And now Boro has claimed Seer. I think I'm still going to have to go with G55, though. The bots basically have to counter the Seer at this point in the game - and besides that, now we know one of G55 and Boro is a wolf. Which means we haven't lost quite yet - if we do pick wrong today (I don't think we're going to, but the possibility is there) we ought to have one more shot tomorrow, unless I'm doing my math wrong.

++Boro
It was fast reaction, true. The funny part is... was Boro's reveal really necessary at that point? I think it was the other Wolf's duty to throw Boro under the bus once he revealed - almost clearly... So that does not tell us much. Really I just keep thinking more and more about the question - why did Boro reveal in the first place? He really did not have to, since G55 claimed she did not dream of any Wolves.

But I find it quite possible that it was all an orchestrated self-sacrifice of a Wolf to make the other packmate look good, and in that case, Boro's reveal would make sense in that light, and Shasta's reaction could then have been a really fast reaction to get rid of a fellow Wolf. Of course one can ask, would the Wolf really act so fast? But I can imagine one does not really have much choice. If Shasta had been doubting and debating whether Boro is lying or not, the next Day everyone would have accused him of being indecisive in order to try to save Boro if it were still possible. So that comes back to the original idea, it would make sense for Wolf-Shasta to be decisive and get rid of a packmate without any doubts, just like he did.

Explanations of the action to G55, and the second one to Boro:
That's true, in the technical sense. However, we have one of your dreams being Morsul, who came out as the Hunter before you mentioned dreaming him, which is a point in your favor as far as I'm concerned - and on the other end of the spectrum we have BG who is tooth-and-nail defending Boro, the other Seer claim. I don't recall if she's been a Cobbler before, but I could definitely see her actions being those of a first-time Cobbler desperately throwing her lot in with someone she believes is a wolf.
In the situation we're in, if you truly are the real Seer, you should have countered the instant G55 revealed as the Seer. We had no reason not to believe G55 - we're at the point in the game where the Seer basically has to come forward with information, so saying you were trying to avoid being drawn out by the Hacker is silly.
I can imagine Shasta-wolf saying that and making himself seem reasonable, also when talking to a packmate (the second quoted post).

And just a remark from toDay:
Although it does seem a little silly to try and paint someone as evil based on a correct assumption. :rolleyes: I suppose, though, if I'd been on Boro's side yesterday, a Bot-Kitanna would then be using that as "evidence" against me.
This is nothing against nothing, of course. These are all logical conclusions. But note the same train of thought of what I had just mentioned above: might actually reflect Shasta's actual way of thinking yesterDay - "I have to throw Boro under to bus decisively, because if not, people will use it as evidence against me...".

But that's it. Overall, Shasta posts very little. The thing is, so did Boro, which would explain the somehow little effectivity of their impact on the game thread (as it seems to me, in terms of not wreaking much greater confusion among villagers as I would have expected from a team of such seasoned players. If Kitanna is the other Wolf, the situation would be opposite, because she's been pretty active and managed to, as far as I am concerned, look pretty genuine - so that'd speak of really good job from the Wolf-team of covering their tracks.)

***

So, on to Kit. She posted a lot, but not very much was directly related to Boro. One, to react to Boro on the Day he hasn't voted, when he later said "oh btw if I had been around, I would have voted for..."
If ifs and buts were candy and nuts we'd all have a bowl of granola.
Not very conclusive... However, the same post continues with (very early in the game!) analysis of the possibility of why was Zil killed, and there Boro is mentioned. The post ends with this about Zil's death:
1) He was killed by bots he didn't mention so as to lead a path to those he did (G55 and Boro specifically) This leaves most of village liable.
2) G55 or Boro or both are bots and thought Zil was seer. Now having been subjected to both of them as baddies I don't know if they'd be so careless as to attack Zil like that given the trail leads to directly to them.
I'd say theory one is more believable. Zil mentioned very few people and those he did were mostly offhand remarks, banter, or flimsy suspcions based on little information.
Looks to me like pretty early to accuse a fellow packmate! Thus more inclined that Kit looks better because of that...

While I don't disagree with Boro about potential merits of lynching a hacker I still don't think it's advisable. Especially in a small village. Every body counts in stopping a bot victory.
Disagreeing with Boro - not sure what to make of that, but... She was being inconclusive about him later, too:
Boro, Lottie, Legate: No idea. With the exception of Boro's post about the hacker lynching none have said anything that stood out.


And then reaction to Boro's reveal:
Didn't you once false reveal as the ranger and get the real ranger lynched? Thus meaning reveals must now always be taken with a grain of salt since there's baddies everywhere.
Similar thing.

A staged performance perhaps? Something Boro and Shasta cooked up in the night to deflect suspcion?
And then this - but the same thing as Shasta's today post, it's a logical conclusion that offers itself.

Oops, deadline, gotta work fast, so summing up:

Overall, I think Kitanna looks better MAINLY because of her early (the first thing I quote) mention of Boro's possible involvement in Zil's death. Also overall she looks better. So personally I think Shasta is the more likely to be the Bot we are looking for.

Oops, deadline. So, if BG is not the Bot, then whoever is alove, vote toMorrow well...

[Nerwen]

0001010101000001010101010010101010
1111010101011110101000010101010111

Blind Guardian has been lynched. She was an ordinary cyber-slave.






































Just kidding. She was the Hacker. Narration to follow.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Hahaa, now I am laughing at myself for posting such huge thing on :59. ;) Well, it's typical me. Good Night, village!

Read the last few sentences of my previous post, if nothing else :p

EDIT: sorry, x-ed with the Moddess :)