WW CVII: Restless Nights in Sleepy Hollow - Game Thread

[Kitanna]

Kitanna shooed the last of the drunkards from her tavern. The denizens of Sleepy Hollow stumbled home and the tavern keeper closed up for the night. Locking the doors and barring the windows, Kit went about counting the night's coin.

“Another fine night,” she declared when finished.

Outside there was a grunt and a thud. “Probably some fool back for more,” she mumbled, walking to the door to peek out. “We're closed.” She called through the door.

There was another sound, this time a scratching noise at the door. Kitanna backed away. “Enough of your jokes, Sally! Go home and get some sleep!”

The scratching stopped momentarily, but began anew, louder and more determined. “Shasta, you miserable imp! I'll be open again tomorrow!”

There was a loud snuffling at the crack at foot of the door. Kitanna jumped back. A shadow moved by the crack. “Nerwen? Aganzir? This isn't funny any more! Stop trying to scare me or I'll put vinegar in the ale! Don't think I won't!”

The scratching ceased and was replaced by pounding on her door. Kitanna retreated behind her bar, grabbing her broom. She'd be ready to swat any of the idiot pranksters who broke in.

The Living
Kitanna
Inziladun
satansaloser2005
McCaber
Legate of Amon Lanc
Rikae
Nerwen
Aganzir
wilwarin538
Shastanis Althreduin
A Little Green
Macalaure

Night 1 has begun. Plan your strategies my lovelies for tomorrow the violence begins.

[Kitanna]

Shasta headed over to Kitanna's tavern first thing in the morning. He was ready for breakfast and gossip after a good night's sleep. To his surprise he found Wilwa standing in front of the tavern, surveying the door that had been ripped from its hinges.

“Door's broke,” she said.

“I can see that.” Shasta looked closer. The door lay useless in the dirt a few feet from the doorway. Deep gauges were cut into the wood, like claw marks, but what manner of beast could do such damage?

Nerwen sauntered up, eating an apple. “What's going on here?”

“Door's broke,” Wilwa repeated. Shasta shot her an annoyed look that went unnoticed.

Other villagers arrived to check the damage. None dared to go into the darkened tavern. Even with the sun shining brightly overhead and birds singing, it felt wrong inside. So instead everyone shuffled their feet and avoided eye contact.

Sick of waiting Sally spoke up, “Where's Kitanna?” There was a chorus of “I don't knows” and a lot of shoulder shrugging. “Did anyone go look for her?”

“I bet she's just playing a joke,” Legate said. He forced out a laugh, but no one joined him.

“Hello? Kit?” Sally called, sticking her head into the door frame. There was no response.

One by one the villagers stepped into tavern. Aganzir walked around opening the shutters to let in some light. She immediately wished she hadn't.

Kitanna, or what was left of her, was strewn about the floor. An eye was flung haphazardly onto the bar, her intestines were being used to tie some chairs together, her spleen was splattered against the wall. Her arm lay motionless on the floor, still clinging to her broom.

“Who would do such a thing?” McCaber demanded! “Now who's going to serve us ale?”

“There's only one force in this world capable of this sort of carnage,” Rikae said quietly. “Werewolves.”

The Living
Inziladun
satansaloser2005
McCaber
Legate of Amon Lanc
Rikae
Nerwen
Aganzir
wilwarin538
Shastanis Althreduin
A Little Green
Macalaure

The Dead
Kitanna – ripped apart Night 1

Day 1 has begun.

[Nerwen]

No! Not Kit! Now who’ll get us drunk?:eek:

Still, at least my little friend Jonathan (http://www.forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=624625&postcount=15) is as delicious os ever! It’s good to have someone you can rely on.

*takes a bite of apple*

[Inziladun]

I don't know how reliable 'Jonathan' is, but on my screen he's saying This webpage is not available. :rolleyes:

[Nerwen]

I said Jonathan was reliable, not the link function on this site. Try it now.

[Inziladun]

I said Jonathan was reliable, not the link function on this site. Try it now.

Ahh. I missed that particular madness, though it appears the inmates are at large still. ;)

[Inziladun]

All right, the Rule of Three stipulates that Nerwen and I are very possibly wolves. Who wants to be next?

[Nerwen]

Come on, don't be shy...:Merisu:

[Inziladun]

Come on, don't be shy...:Merisu:

I wonder if everyone knows we've started.

*insert random banter about Day One and submarines*

[McCaber]

I'll step up! Everyone is a wolf but me.

[Rikae]

Oh, how about this, the game has started. Coulda fooled me.
:rolleyes:

Rest assured: I am definitely not a wolf, because I'm posting fifth.

[Inziladun]

I'll step up! Everyone is a wolf but me.

Oh, but you're the Third! Now, wasn't that easy?

Rest assured: I am definitely not a wolf, because I'm posting fifth.

Actually, aren't you fourth?

[Inziladun]

So, to see who might have done in the barkeep, let's think of who acted a fool and got tossed out last Night.

I recall Sally and Wilwa's furious debate over the relative virtues of muffins vs. cupcakes. Then, when Kitanna said she preferred cronuts, they gave her such a malicious stare! :p

[Rikae]

Oh, but you're the Third! Now, wasn't that easy?



Actually, aren't you fourth?

Why would I lie? ARE YOU ACCUSING ME OF LYING?

Inzil is a wolf 'cause he's looking for an easy lynch.

:D

[Inziladun]

Why would I lie? ARE YOU ACCUSING ME OF LYING?

No, just a failure of basic arithmetic. :p

Inzil is a wolf 'cause he's looking for an easy lynch.

:D

Darn it, you got me. At least I can get my Fenris honor.

[Rikae]

Nah, I just counted Nerwen, Inzil, Cate Blanchett and McCaber.

[Rikae]

Still no new posts? I guess everyone has just decided that since it's a basic game, there is nothing to discuss on day one?

That better not be the case or I will be most displeased.

[Inziladun]

I have to vote in a few short hours, and I'm thinking there will probably be a glut of posts after I go to bed.

As for discussion points thus far, the rules and roles are basic, as it doesn't seem that the Wildcard is a factor. We have three baddies, a Seer, and a Ranger. And hapless cannon fodder, of course.

[Inziladun]

So here's a nice tune (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GjVryJgmZEI)while we wait. :)

[Rikae]

We can discuss the most basic thing of all: how people are posting (if only they were posting).
It may not be rock-solid evidence, but in the end, it can work, and it's what usually tips the balance in a WW game anyway.
At this point, though, if nothing changes, I'm inclined to vote for the last person who posts, or for the person who says the least.

Or I could vote for Mac, who I know for a fact is aware of the game and had the opportunity to post.

[Macalaure]

First is the worst, second's the best... Third is the one with the hairy chest!

Lynch McCaber!

Unless our moddess counts, then... Lynch Inziladun!


So there, I already found two wolves. What have you guys been doing so far? :p

[McCaber]

Chiming in suspiciously on cue, I see, eh Mac?

[Inziladun]

Chiming in suspiciously on cue, I see, eh Mac?

Ooh! Suspicion! That's the spirit!

I proclaim Mc and Mac to be wolves. Because, why not?

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Well, here we are! I am no stranger to complications, but this little abode of ours seems to have turned a little bit... uncomfortable.

We already have several self-confessed Werewolves, several more accused by others, well done! The only danger I perceive is that at this rate, we might run out of villagers before the Day is done.

On a serious note, though. Good to see people posting around here, because we all know that curse of Day 1 is usually even worse than curse of Wolvery itself. I didn't have chance to post earlier today and cannot really post very much at this point (here being middle of the night), but I certainly will appear couple of hours before DL with the hope that more people pop up meanwhile, and perhaps some more dicussion.

So far, of course half-in-role posts and all that starting banter is hard to judge, if I were to judge only based on tone and gut-feeling (pretty much the only things now), my bet would be in fact McCaber (strangely enough, his posts essentially stand out to me as the only ones giving any awkward vibes on first read). And okay, maybe possibly Mac. But that's just first impressions. Otherwise... nothing much to say. People are behaving, I would say... normally.

But hey. I'll be around for a short while if there's something more to respond to, but like I said, then you can expect me several hours before DL. And I certainly hope to be more active then (I hope people will be still around, though).

Till that time...

EDIT: X-posted with Inziladun. Notwithstanding joking, to name the same two people is somewhat... unsettling.

[Inziladun]

Ooh! Suspicion! That's the spirit!

I proclaim Mc and Mac to be wolves. Because, why not?

Actually, such early wolf-on-wolf would be both incredibly gutsy and undeniably risky. It just seemed a bit opportune that both jumped out of the woodwork like that.

[Inziladun]

X-posted with Inziladun. Notwithstanding joking, to name the same two people is somewhat... unsettling.

It's a conspiracy, I tells ya. Or, more likely, a coincidence based on the fact that so few have posted toDay.

I'm a bit loopy for lack of sleep, though I'm sure no one's taken notice. Another reason I'll be voting early.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Actually, such early wolf-on-wolf would be both incredibly gutsy and undeniably risky. It just seemed a bit opportune that both jumped out of the woodwork like that.
I didn't even think about it as wolf-on-wolf, but McCab especially (and Mac a bit) was basically really the only person sounding to me somehow fake, or how to say it. But that's really the only thing. But noticing such interactions is good, if for future reference, or whatever, we shall see...

Okay, but yes, off to rest for a while and then I will be back before DL...

[Rikae]

How's Cab suspicious? Or is this still just banter?

Edit: X'd with Legate

[Rikae]

I can't see "wolf-on-wolf" on the level of Mac's comment about Cab being either risky or... well... much of anything.. I mean, it's a silly rhyme the kids say when they come to the dinner table.

Although Cab's response to Mac does worry me slightly.

[Inziladun]

How's Cab suspicious? Or is this still just banter?

I didn't think him particularly dodgy before, but it did look a little odd that he threw that out there on Mac so quickly.

In other news, there was a few minutes ago a lightning strike unnervingly close to my house. I wonder if there's a crater in the back yard.

[Inziladun]

Come on, guys. You're going to leave me having to vote like this? :rolleyes:

Ok. Not voting is not an option. Of those who've posted, Rikae seems to be the most involved.

Legate has appeared, and doesn't have any furry vibe at the moment.

What I said about Cab immediately making note of Mac's entrance (just after being called out on his absence by Rikae) was, I thought, something interesting in a very slow Day. It really wasn't that big of a deal, but the fact that both have since disappeared is maybe something else to consider.

[Inziladun]

Oh, forgot Nerwen. Nothing but banter there, no so help.

[Inziladun]

Ok then.

++Mac

Again, precious little to work with, so let's see what happens.

[McCaber]

Sorry, I was in the middle of watching Dr. No at the time. Every once in a while the urge for a classic Bond flick hits.

Inzil's vote seems more random than anything else, because there's like six posts here to choose from. I didn't see anything in Mac's post besides early banter.

[Rikae]

Ok, thoughts:

Nerwen - seemed a bit antsy in her initial posts, maybe, but others are fishier at the moment.
Inzil - the creepiest thing about him is that he doesn't seem suspicious of me! No, seriously, I find his jumping-on-Cab-for-jumping-on-Mac at least as opportunistic as Cab's jump was. Actually, I see Cab's in a bit better light, since someone needs to get suspicions going, right? A risky role to play but a necessary one.
Also, I got the impression Cab was his main suspect? If it was Mac, I'm not quite sure why, but he chose to vote him.
Cabbie - Suspecting Mac for his timing. Not really as suspicious, to my mind, as it seems to be to Legate and Inzil.
Legate - Seems legit. After all, "sounding fake" is pretty much all there is to go on at this point (that or the timing of posts).
Macalaure -

Hmmm. I have to admit that your post would usually make me very, very suspicious of you. But this is your first game, so I'll be nice. ;)
For now...


Eight years of being nice earns you a free pass for toDay, Mac. :D Wasn't that a great game?

Sally
Aganzir
Wilwa
Greenie

Absent and therefore all evil. One must be the secret cobbler.

Shasta

Also absent, but psychic and therefore too useful to lose.
Unless evil... psychic wolves? Nope nope nope...

Threatening to vote people seems to be effective. Perhaps I'll vote for Sally...

[Macalaure]

++Mac

But, but... I didn't even do anything yet! :eek:

Clearly Inzil is trying to look innocent by acting like he always does (i.e., voting for me). Very suspicious.

Only Legate and Rikae are really trying to be helpful, which is nice, and even though it doesn't actually tell us anything about their alignment, I'd be willing to reward it by not voting for them.

The rest banter and hand-wringing about how quiet we all are. I don't like reading too much into banter, but the latter, while understandable, makes me a bit uneasy.

Other than that, just absence.

Eight years of being nice earns you a free pass for toDay, Mac.While I do wish there were more reasons for not voting for me.... Awwwww. :)

[satansaloser2005]

After Kit's (next to) last game, you would think she would know better than to hang out in a bar by herself at night. Alas, our Kit has yet again been taken from us too soon, leaving only me to avenge her foul and absolutely natural murder. I shan't let you down, my darling!

Yes, hello, I'm here, and Kit's dead again. Who do I have to kill this time? :mad:

[satansaloser2005]

No! Not Kit! Now who’ll get us drunk?:eek:

Still, at least my little friend Jonathan (http://www.forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=624625&postcount=15) is as delicious os ever! It’s good to have someone you can rely on.

*takes a bite of apple*

Wow, that's....wow. I'd forgotten about that. Beautiful.

Ooh! Suspicion! That's the spirit!

I proclaim Mc and Mac to be wolves. Because, why not?

I would love this, honestly, though who would be the third McWolf? :p

Threatening to vote people seems to be effective. Perhaps I'll vote for Sally...

Love you too, sweetheart. :rolleyes:

[Rikae]

Speak of the devil! :smokin:

[satansaloser2005]

Speak of the devil! :smokin:

No, darling, Phantom isn't in this game. :Merisu:

[satansaloser2005]

So I have this problem where I'm tired and it's getting late and I need to vote. Unfortunately there hasn't been much said, and everyone's favorite psychic wolf boy isn't here yet, so I've no idea which of you to suspect.

I suppose I could always pick on Agan.... ;)

[Nerwen]

Inzil - the creepiest thing about him is that he doesn't seem suspicious of me! No, seriously, I find his jumping-on-Cab-for-jumping-on-Mac at least as opportunistic as Cab's jump was. Actually, I see Cab's in a bit better light, since someone needs to get suspicions going, right? A risky role to play but a necessary one.
Also, I got the impression Cab was his main suspect? If it was Mac, I'm not quite sure why, but he chose to vote him.
I guess the idea is that he suspects them in tandem- but still, why pick the one he *hadn't* been talking about? And it looks to me as if his initial "suspicion" might have just been a joke and only became serious after Legate's posts about them.
All same, this would be clumsy playing for an experienced wolf. The same goes for Mac and Mc "suspecting" each other so loudly.

If I had to guess right now, though, I'd say Zil + either Mac or Mc *might* be possible fellows- but once again, it all seems like cub-tactics.

Sorry... must be channelling Lommy.:(
Edit: x'd since Rikae.

[Nerwen]

Wow, that's....wow. I'd forgotten about that. Beautiful.
I'm so glad someone remembers Jonathan!:cool:

[satansaloser2005]

Sorry... must be channelling Lommy.:(

Lommy killed Kit before! Are you saying you're a werewolf? Is that a confession? Is it is it is it?

:p

[satansaloser2005]

Point of interest: It feels odd to be in a game without Nog. I was about to say how suspicious it was that he hadn't shown up yet, and then I realized he wasn't playing. :rolleyes:

[Macalaure]

Well, it's getting late and I have to vote for someone. I'll roll the die and go with one of the absentees.

++Shasta

[satansaloser2005]

All right, it's time for voting and then sleeping.

++Dun

This might sound silly, but I think he's being louder than he would be as an ordo. His behavior regarding the McPlayers is also a bit unsettling, as has been pointed out, but I am more caught by his volume at this point; I feel an ordo Dun would have been less involved in toDay's discussions (if you can call them discussions). Alas, that's the best hunch I have.

[Rikae]

Well, I really hate to vote early, but I also hate to get up early on Saturdays, so... :(

Best I've got at this point:
++Inziladun

[McCaber]

I'm not sure I agree with lynching the silent ones Day 1. In my experience, the people with something to play for are the ones who tend to show up early, while the lurkers tend to be ordinary innocents.

So with not a lot to go on, let's go with who saw suspicion in me, I would say unnecessarily and prematurely.

++ Legate of Amon Lanc

[A Little Green]

Better late than never, right? Meaning, I'm here now, sorry for taking so long!

At the moment, the situation looks like this:

Inzil – Mac
Mac – Shasta
Sally – Inzil
Rikae – Inzil (2)
Cab – Legate

A couple of things caught my eye. First, there's this odd triangle of Mac-McCaber-Inziladun. Mac jokingly tells us to lynch Cab or Inzil, Cab says (half-jokingly) that Mac appears suspiciously on cue, then Inzil declares that Mac and Cab are wolves:

First is the worst, second's the best... Third is the one with the hairy chest!

Lynch McCaber!

Unless our moddess counts, then... Lynch Inziladun!
Chiming in suspiciously on cue, I see, eh Mac?
Ooh! Suspicion! That's the spirit!

I proclaim Mc and Mac to be wolves. Because, why not?

I interpreted the whole exchange as banter (although I'd laugh so much if those three were actually the wolves), but then along comes Legate who says this:
So far, of course half-in-role posts and all that starting banter is hard to judge, if I were to judge only based on tone and gut-feeling (pretty much the only things now), my bet would be in fact McCaber (strangely enough, his posts essentially stand out to me as the only ones giving any awkward vibes on first read). And okay, maybe possibly Mac. But that's just first impressions.The interesting part is his edit, when he noticed he had cross-posted with Inzil's "Mc and Mac are wolves" -post:
EDIT: X-posted with Inziladun. Notwithstanding joking, to name the same two people is somewhat... unsettling.This looks - a bit panicky? Or not panicky, but he does seem to overreact a little. Possibly just innocent Legate phrasing oddly, but I also see a possibility of wolf-Legate getting worried that his harmless suspicion would lead to actual consequences. Maybe wolf-on-wolf he had thought risk-free this early and then freaked out when somebody else even jokingly suspected the same, or else just plain old not wanting to be associated with what might turn out to be a bandwagon against an innocent. Even if it was wolf-on-wolf, though, I find it unlikely that both Cab and Mac are wolves, that would be too bold for Legate, but if it's only one of them, why was Legate so concerned about Inzil suspecting "the same two people"? Gah. Too much speculation! I think there's something off in here, I'm just not sure what.

Rikae's reaction is also interesting. First she goes
How's Cab suspicious? Or is this still just banter?But then, in the next post,
Although Cab's response to Mac does worry me slightly.Which is not a strong statement at all, but jumps out at that phase of Day 1, especially right after a post where she asks what's suspicious about Cab. Subtly trying to raise doubts about Cab while keeping her hands clean? Not sure here, either, because overall Rikae seems more innocent than not.

I guess the idea is that he suspects them in tandem- but still, why pick the one he *hadn't* been talking about? And it looks to me as if his initial "suspicion" might have just been a joke and only became serious after Legate's posts about them.Yes, that's weird. I'm not sure what to make of Inzil, anyway, and his vote only served to confuse me more.

[A Little Green]

Also - deadline in two hours, right?

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Fast succession of votes; I guess we might want to get used to it.

In any case, I hope those who haven't posted yet at all will post; and that also on further Days there will be more discussion.

Impressions:

sally's reasoning for her vote seems innocentish to me. I am a bit uncertain about Rikae's in that respect, perhaps she just did not have time to re-formulate and did not have very strong reasons (on Day 1, understandable) but I would have liked to know if there was any more reason for voting Zil aside from what she said in her first post (which didn't sound to me like suspicion at all, that's why I'm wondering - she essentially said only "the most suspicious thing about him is that I don't find him suspicious", ergo is that the reason to vote?).

Sorry, I was in the middle of watching Dr. No at the time. Every once in a while the urge for a classic Bond flick hits.

Inzil's vote seems more random than anything else, because there's like six posts here to choose from. I didn't see anything in Mac's post besides early banter.
This has more or less the same vibe I got earlier from McCab, which could be this sort of wishy-washy "I am pointing at someone, but never mind me, I didn't actually say anything". Of course it has reasons behind it, but . The question is also whether voting for me after that is a sign of independant mind or further dodge: a Wolf mentions person X as suspicious and then votes person Y, because he doesn't want to be associated with the lynching of person X. Cab is still in my orange zone, essentially.

But, but... I didn't even do anything yet! :eek:

Clearly Inzil is trying to look innocent by acting like he always does (i.e., voting for me). Very suspicious.

Only Legate and Rikae are really trying to be helpful, which is nice, and even though it doesn't actually tell us anything about their alignment, I'd be willing to reward it by not voting for them.
I hope this is not the classical case of a Wolf "buddying up" or talking nicely to other people in order to get on their good side. Villainy wears many masks, none of which so dangerous as virtue. Also, I have hard time remembering whether Mac has always been so cheerful as he seems from all his posts, or whether it is a result of his merry Nightly frolicking.

Will do a quick check-up on everyone and post some short summary.

EDIT: x-ed with Greenie. Good, people appear!

[Aganzir]

I suppose I could always pick on Agan.... ;)
The first thing I see when I open this thread! Vile, vile!

I now know the game has started thanks to Algae to whom I'm eternally grateful (yes that's totally what she's called these days). Will post more after getting dressed and fed!

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Also - deadline in two hours, right?

More or less, yeah. Hour and 50 minutes or so.

[A Little Green]

This has more or less the same vibe I got earlier from McCab, which could be this sort of wishy-washy "I am pointing at someone, but never mind me, I didn't actually say anything". Of course it has reasons behind it, but . The question is also whether voting for me after that is a sign of independant mind or further dodge: a Wolf mentions person X as suspicious and then votes person Y, because he doesn't want to be associated with the lynching of person X. Cab is still in my orange zone, essentially.I don't really know what "vibe" you talk about, that quote gave me no vibes whatsoever. Interesting point about Cab's vote, though, even if I don't really think it was a wolfish vote. I mean, look at the reason he gives:
So with not a lot to go on, let's go with who saw suspicion in me, I would say unnecessarily and prematurely.I don't really see Cabwolf openly declaring he votes for someone solely because they suspected him - not even on a Day 1 with little to go on. If he was a wolf, I'm sure he could have invented another reason for voting Legate. Gut-feeling or something.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

I don't really see Cabwolf openly declaring he votes for someone solely because they suspected him - not even on a Day 1 with little to go on. If he was a wolf, I'm sure he could have invented another reason for voting Legate. Gut-feeling or something.

True; well, he says "unnecessarily and prematurely", which is a sort of accusation (in fact, a kind of veiled one again, could be again more or less in the same style as his earlier posts). But yes, you have a point.

Anyway, as for some general evaluation, from my part at this time:

On the innocentish side:

sally
Zil

Leaning no particular way:

Nerwen
Greenie

Yellow zone:
Rikae - but simply because I would like to hear about the vote, otherwise nothing bad
Mac?

Orange zone:
McCaber

Absent:
Shasta
Wilwa
Aganzir (technically, hasn't posted yet)

So my strongest pick would in most ways be McCaber, even though I would definitely like to see more from him, too, but guess we can't have everything. Taking into account also Greenie's point; the question is however whether a Cabwolf would simply not invent a case for voting me because he simply wants to make it a throwaway vote, after messing around with other people earlier, and simply wishing to stay out of sight or whatever. Still around and pondering, though.

[Aganzir]

Okay hello I am here for real! Noting things down as I go so this will be another of those annoying "there she goes ruminating over things people reached a conclusion on 12 hours ago" posts.

A shadow moved by the crack. “Nerwen? Aganzir? This isn't funny any more!
Aw mod I am honoured!

All right, the Rule of Three stipulates that Nerwen and I are very possibly wolves. Who wants to be next?
Meeee but I was late! :(

I have a question - do we have a Wildcard? No? Because 11 is almost 12 but not quite?

Love that song Inzil!

Ahh here is Legate posting as much as all the previous posters put together.
What he and Inzil said about Mac and McC is actually funny because blatantly wolf-on-wolfing in his first post is something I've seen Mac do before (including me & Kath's game, although there it was way over the top). Which doesn't obviously mean either of them is a wolf (or Inzil whom he also mentioned, for that matter) - it's just that if Mac is, McC might bear watching!

Eight years of being nice earns you a free pass for toDay, Mac. Wasn't that a great game?
Awwww! :D Congrats! ♥

Yes, hello, I'm here, and Kit's dead again. Who do I have to kill this time?
Everyone, in order to win, right? Right? :p

By this point I'm fairly okay with Inzil, Rikae and Legate. I've only skimmed what came after McC's vote because the posts are getting longer but I'll post this now just so you have at least something!

[A Little Green]

Inzil - Confusing. His interactions with Mac and Cab are especially interesting; he jokingly suspects them both, then actually suspects McCaber, then votes for Mac. Makes no sense unless his vote is a typo.
Sally - Mostly banter. I can forgive that (Day 1, after all) but it does seem a bit excessive given that there was already some stuff going on when she posted. Her reasons for voting Inzil look quite genuine, but it's a bit odd that she doesn't mention his vote at all.
McCaber - He's confusing too! I think his "suspicion" of Mac was a joke; indeed he himself says that he didn't see anything in Mac's post besides early banter. His vote for Legate is a bit weird, but I think it's in a weird ordo -kind of way.
Legate - His jumpy reaction to Inzil "suspecting" the same people was a bit fishy, and I think he's grasping at straws with his suspicion of Cab. It's also interesting that while he was all the time more after Cab than Mac, he dropped Mac altogether after Inzil voted for him. Eyebrow-raising.
Rikae - That one comment about Cab was a bit odd, but otherwise she's seemed more innocent than not. She was also among the first to turn the conversation away from banter, which I think should earn her a pass for toDay.
Nerwen - Hm. Nothing alarming so far, but I tend to think that of evil Nerwen too, so that's not really much of a comfort!
Aganzir - Still waiting for more contribution than calling me a plantlike organism.
Wilwa - Where is she?
Shasta - Where is he?
Macalaure - Leaning innocentish at the moment. I have a feeling that a guilty Mac would be more involved, would more actively try to steer the conversation (or else cause chaos like he did last time he was evil).


EDIT: x-ed with my fellow Finns (yes, Legzy, that includes you now).

[Aganzir]

Okay let's start with the votes.

Inzil – Mac
Mac – Shasta
Sally – Inzil
Rikae – Inzil (2)
Cab – Legate

They haven't changed since the last tally, but I'm just adding that 6 people are still to vote (Legate, Nerwen, me, Algae, and wilwa+Shasta who are a mystery).

This looks - a bit panicky? Or not panicky, but he does seem to overreact a little. Possibly just innocent Legate phrasing oddly, but I also see a possibility of wolf-Legate getting worried that his harmless suspicion would lead to actual consequences.
Normálný, I'd say. I don't see overreaction there at all (other than the wide-eyedly enthusiastic "holy crap what is that" kind that is so very typical to our dear old Legate) - you would be surprised to see you crossed with somebody who said the same thing.

You, on the other hand, post an entire paragraph about it. I agree the Mac-McC-Inzil-Legate camp is the main thing we have going on so far and thus merits talking as long as we have nothing else, but I think Algae's treatment of it is more off than the thing itself. And here I thought I had reached such a nice zen state regarding her when I skimmed her posts but mamma mia! here we go again! I do fully acknowledge that there's nothing out of ordinary in this suspicion and it probably has more to do with our ways of thinking than our roles, but Algae looks too trigger-happy about Legate to me.

[Aganzir]

sally's reasoning for her vote seems innocentish to me.
Reasoning yes (even if I don't agree - Inzil can be a trolling loudmouth whatever his role), phrasing no. I feel an innocent would be more concerned about using words such as 'ordo' because for all they know, he might be a gifted and they most certainly wouldn't want to draw the wolves' attention to that.

I don't want to vote for Inzil or Legate today. Might cast a whatever sort of vote for Mac or Shasta or another submarine should they start getting votes. Or might vote for Algae or sally, which would be a bit pathetic because they're my Everyday Top Suspects(tm) but the best bet I have right now.

[Aganzir]

Inzil – Mac
Mac – Shasta
Sally – Inzil
Rikae – Inzil (2)
Cab – Legate

I will amend this - it's most likely just Legate, Algae and me voting because Nerwen+Day1≠true love and wilwa and Shasta haven't showed up anyway.

What should we do, kiddos?

[A Little Green]

Normálný, I'd say. I don't see overreaction there at all (other than the wide-eyedly enthusiastic "holy crap what is that" kind that is so very typical to our dear old Legate) - you would be surprised to see you crossed with somebody who said the same thing.I see what you mean. But I also think the way he phrased his surprise (notwithstanding joking, to name the same two people is somewhat... unsettling) seemed like he was more disturbed than surprised. Like I said, I might be reading things into an innocent Legate phrasing things oddly, but it's the best lead I have at the moment.

That said -

++ Legate


EDIT: x-ed with Kiddo-Agan

[Aganzir]

Aw that sucks.

++Legate

Because I like Inzil better.

[Aganzir]

Aaaa crap I'm so stupid.

Legate and I could have negotiated a Mac/Shasta lynch.

Can I retract?

[A Little Green]

Why Mac?

[Aganzir]

All I thought was, Okay now Legate will vote for Inzil to save himself, I want to play with Inzil! I completely forgot what I just said about the remaining voters.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

I see what you mean. But I also think the way he phrased his surprise (notwithstanding joking, to name the same two people is somewhat... unsettling) seemed like he was more disturbed than surprised. Like I said, I might be reading things into an innocent Legate phrasing things oddly, but it's the best lead I have at the moment.

That said -

++ Legate


EDIT: x-ed with Kiddo-Agan

Very interesting, LG. I'm really wondering about your reasoning there, because didn't you effectively disqualify that being disturbing yourself? As in, okay, let's say that what I said is odd, but what does it effectively mean? What would I accomplish by saying it if I were a baddie? More so if it seemed like I was disturbed? In your train of thoughts, the only thing that could point it to would be that one of the guys in question (or both) would be fellow Wolves and I am panicking - so why would I bring more attention to it all? Very, very odd reasoning you have, indeed.

Anyway, not much time left... voting soon...

[Aganzir]

Why Mac?
Why not? Why Shasta? Why not? I don't have an opinion about them so might as well take my chances!

[Aganzir]

Legate I want you to be a wolf now. :(

So sorry, either way.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

And what the??? And can I even save myself anymore???

Well, of course I have to

++Zil

But seriously?????

[Aganzir]

I said I was stupid and sorry!

I am also laughing very much right not because this will look hilarious to people reading it later. :D

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

No, of course I can't save myself anymore. You are so stupid, people, I can't believe it. As if in the last, what, out of last I'm guessing seven games I got in more than half lynched on Day 1. But no, here we go again.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

I said I was stupid and sorry!

I am also laughing very much right not because this will look hilarious to people reading it later. :D

I can assure you, it WON'T look hilarious to the village.

First person to get the votes is lynched, ergo me.

For that matter, I believe Agan innocent and I don't know about Greenie now. (50/50 I'd say. And it isn't just because of the vote.)

[Aganzir]

♥

If it's any comfort, I think you're innocent.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

♥

If it's any comfort, I think you're innocent.

Thanks. You should have realised that before voting. Seriously folks.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Be glad I am not the Seer.

[Aganzir]

Thanks. You should have realised that before voting. Seriously folks.
I did! I said I didn't want to lynch you! But I also didn't want to lynch Inzil!

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

I did! I said I didn't want to lynch you! But I also didn't want to lynch Inzil!

We could have talked about lynching somebody else. Honestly...

[Kitanna]

For a long time no one really said anything. There was some banter, some sorrow, but mostly just quiet. People eyed each other suspiciously and cleared their throats. The shadows moved across the door and before they knew half the day had gone by without any real suspects.

Finally Inzil shouted,” Mac! It was Mac! I mean look at him! All, man-shaped and what not. How easy would it be for him to be wolf-shaped?”

“This guy’s crazy. It was Shasta!” Mac pointed at Shasta, a crazy look in his eyes.

“My darling, Kit!” Sally wailed, covering her face. “Inzil did her in! Kill Zil!”

Rikae took up the cry. “Kill Zil!”

“Legate,” McCaber said softly. “It’s clear as the Kit’s eye on the counter. It’s Legate.”

“Yes, Legate, of course,” Greenie took a step away from him. “I shared a drinking glass with you once. Suppose I’ve caught his wolfiness?” she asked, horror etched on her face.

“Zil or Legate?” Agan scratched her head. “Zil or Agan? Mmmm, well I like Zil. So, Legate must be guilty because I only like nice, non murderous people. And don’t worry, Greenie, you can’t catch wolfiness from a drinking cup. Er, at least I don’t think you can.”

Legate’s mouth dropped open in horror. “Me?” From the neck up he turned a bright red. He flapped his arms like a giant bird. “How can you all be so stupid?! Me! Do you realize how sorry you’re all going to be! Fools! Idiots! Knaves!”

“That’s enough out of you,” Mac said.

McCaber and Greenie advanced on Legate. He dodged them, running out the doorless frame into the streets of Sleepy Hollow. The rest of the village followed in hot pursuit.

He was almost to his home. He knew if he could get inside he could lock the doors and protect himself. He only had to make it a few more feet. Poor Legate tripped over a stone in the ground, tumbling face first into the dirt. In a moment they were on him.

Zil grabbed the stone that had proved Legate’s undoing, with all his might he brought it down on Legate’s head. Blood, brains, hair, and bits of bone stuck to the stone and covered the dirt road that led to Legate’s front door. Nothing happened. The was setting, he should have been transforming into his wolf form.

The village waited as twilight moved in. Still nothing happened. Legate’s body just remained human and dead in the road.

“Maybe he was a secret cobbler?” Agan suggested.

Nerwen stepped into his house to look around. She found a bow and quiver near the door. “Oh dear,” she muttered, grabbing it to take outside.

For so long Legate had stood watch over the village. Turning back bandits Sleepy Hollow didn’t even know existed. Their Ranger, their last line of protection, was gone and he was only three days from retirement too.

The Living
Inziladun
satansaloser2005
McCaber
Rikae
Nerwen
Aganzir
wilwarin538
Shastanis Althreduin
A Little Green
Macalaure

The Dead
Kitanna – ripped apart Night 1 - Moddess
Legate of Amon Lanc - Brained on Day 1 - Ranger

Night 2 has begun

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Whatever, I guess we have DL on our necks.

FOR FUTURE, TRY TO DO BETTER, VILLAGE. AND WHOEVER OF YOU READ THIS DON'T FREAKING LYNCH ME ON DAY 1 EVER AGAIN.

[wilwarin538]

Hello everyone. I'm so sorry, I didn't remember that we were starting. This weekend is Thanksgiving here in Canada and I am heading out now to travel to see some family I haven't seen in about 15 years. I'm not going to have access to the internet at all, but I will be only gone for a day so I should only miss the first little bit of Day 2, and be here for most of the rest of it. So sorry!!

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Hey guys, I'm here. Sorry I'm late. I'll catch up on the first two pages shortly.

Edit: Or Day's over. x_x Shutting up.

[Kitanna]

With Kit’s death and Legate’s subsequent lynching, Agan didn’t feel particularly safe in her home. She barricaded her doors and windows and sat in her kitchen with a giant meat cleaver.

Sometime during her vigilant watch Agan slipped off to sleep, the meat cleaver clattering to the floor. The wolves found her asleep at her kitchen table, head down and snoring.

“Aw, she looks so sweet,” one whispered to her partners. “Do we have to do this?”

“Yes!” the other two hissed in unison.

“I just think maybe we could keep her alive,” the wolf continued.

“We are not in Sleepy Hollow to make nice,” the largest of the three growled. “Now grab that big knife so if she wakes up she can’t get to it.”

Agan came to from her nap to find three furry fiends in her home. She reached for her cleaver, only to find of the wolves had it. Not wanting to be ripped apart like the barkeep the night before, Agan saw a small opening between to of the wolves and darted through it. She knocked her chair into one of the wolves in the process.

She made it to her front door before one of the wolves caught her by the hair. In the moonlight she saw the flash of the meat cleaver before it was brought down on her.

~*~*~

The next morning the village found Agan’s scalp nailed to her front door. The rest of her body had been left out for the crows.

The Living
Inziladun
satansaloser2005
McCaber
Rikae
Nerwen
wilwarin538
Shastanis Althreduin
A Little Green
Macalaure

The Dead
Kitanna – ripped apart Night 1 - Moddess
Legate of Amon Lanc - Brained on Day 1 - Ranger
Aganzir - Scalped on Night 2 - Ordo

Day 2 has begun

[Nerwen]

What the heck is going on in this village?:confused:

[Nerwen]

I mean, you'd think the person who lynched the Ranger on Day One would be pretty safe on Night Two. Did they think Agan was the Seer, who had dreamed an innocent Zil? Or is this a bluff? Or something else?

[Nerwen]

Aganzir

Tally:
Inzil – Mac
Mac – Shasta
Sally – Inzil
Rikae – Inzil (2)
McCaber – Legate

#53
Opening banter.

#57
Banter. Asks if there is a Wildcard. Suggests Mac and Mc might be fellows, as "blatant wolf-on-wolfing" is something she has seen Mac do before, is "fairly okay" with Zil, Rikae and Legate, but notes that she has only skimmed the thread after McCaber's vote (on Legate.)
Comment: could the question about the Wildcard have led the wolves to believe Agan herself had this role? Far-fetched, perhaps- but gifteds do sometimes give themselves away in this manner.

#59
Gives current tally. Disagrees with Greenie's suspicion of Legate, describes her as "too trigger-happy" about him and her reaction to the "Mac-McC-Inzil-Legate camp" as "more off than the thing itself", but also notes that "there's nothing out of the ordinary in this suspicion and it probably has more to do with our ways of thinking than our roles".
Comment: this may have looked like a Seer stressing that her suspicion was not the result of an actual dream.

#60
Suspicious of the way Sally phrased her vote-post. Does not want to vote for Zil or Legate. Might vote Mac, Shasta, Greenie or Sally.

#61
Notes that probably the only further voters will be herself, Legate and Greenie.

Tally:
Inzil – Mac
Mac – Shasta
Sally – Inzil
Rikae – Inzil (2)
McCaber – Legate
Greenie -- Legate (2)

#63
Votes Legate. "Because I like Inzil better."

#64
Regrets the vote because she and Legate "could have negotiated a Mac-Shasta lynch". Asks if she can retract.
Comments: if Mac or Shasta is a wolf, this might have been alarming to the wolves, coming almost out of the blue as it does

#66
Explains that she had believed her vote was the only way to save Inzil, with whom she had most wanted to play; adds that she "completely forgot" what she had said about the other players.

#68
Asked by Greenie, "Why Mac?", replies, "Why not? Why Shasta? Why not? I don't have an opinion about them so might as well take my chances!"

#69
Tells Legate she hopes he is a wolf, but seems pessimistic.

#71
Replying to Legate's "But seriously???", says, "I said I was stupid and sorry!" Adds (correctly) that this will look "hilarious" to people reading the thread later.

#74
Thinks Legate is innocent.

#77
Replying to Legate, who points out that she "should have realised that before voting", says,
"I did! I said I didn't want to lynch you! But I also didn't want to lynch Inzil!"

Comments: Could the wolves have thought that here was a Seer focussed on saving her dreamed innocent to the exclusion of all else? It seems as likely as anything- however, as I originally suggested, it is also possible that this is a bluff (I.e to take the heat off a beleaguered Zilwolf.) As you see, the only explanations I can come up with are "they thought she was the Seer" and "they wanted us to think they thought she was the Seer" and, perhaps, "they thought she was the Wildcard". There may be others, but the thing is, they'd need a really good reason to kill her, under the circumstances.

[Inziladun]

I mean, you'd think the person who lynched the Ranger on Day One would be pretty safe on Night Two. Did they think Agan was the Seer, who had dreamed an innocent Zil? Or is this a bluff? Or something else?

What sort of bluff? Agan made a point of saying she wanted me around, but that's pretty thin for a Seer-hint. I guess it's possible.
I have to say too that Nerwen's above has a feel of a wolf saying, 'Gosh, how did that happen? Like I said,just a feeling.

Where did the Legate-wagon come from, anyway? I knew my vote would get me some of my own, but I was surprised to see he got lynched.
Although I'm pretty certain there's a wolf who voted me, odds are there's at least one who went for Legate. It narrows the possibilities at least that one on each bandwagon is gone.

Mac not taking the bait and attacking me, instead casting an easy vote for Shasta does not help him.

x/d with Nerwen

[Inziladun]

Reasoning yes (even if I don't agree - Inzil can be a trolling loudmouth whatever his role), phrasing no.

Agan, you hit the nail on the head here. ;)

[Inziladun]

Comments: Could the wolves have thought that here was a Seer focussed on saving her dreamed innocent to the exclusion of all else? It seems as likely as anything- however, as I originally suggested, it is also possible that this is a bluff (I.e to take the heat off a beleaguered Zilwolf.) As you see, the only explanations I can come up with are "they thought she was the Seer" and "they wanted us to think they thought she was the Seer" and, perhaps, "they thought she was the Wildcard". There may be others, but the thing is, they'd need a really good reason to kill her, under the circumstances.

Was getting Agan necessary to make me look suspicious? Like I need the help.

And we don't have a Wildcard, do we? I thought that was dependent on having a lot of players.

[Nerwen]

Was getting Agan necessary to make me look suspicious? Like I need the help.

And we don't have a Wildcard, do we? I thought that was dependent on having a lot of players.
I guess I wasn't clear enough. Agan, for some reason, went all out to save you, to the extent of casting the kill-vote on another player whom she obviously didn't particularly suspect. To the wolves, this might well have suggested she was the Seer who had dreamed you as an innocent- unless you're *not* innocent, in which case it might be, as I said, a bluff. Or they might have killed her for some other reason- that's why I mentioned a.) her sudden gung-ho attitude towards lynching Mac and Shasta and b.) her Wildcard question. (I'd say we don't have one, but the numbers are borderline.

I have to say too that Nerwen's above has a feel of a wolf saying, 'Gosh, how did that happen? Like I said,just a feeling.
I tend to think like a wolf- you should know that by now.

Mac not taking the bait and attacking me, instead casting an easy vote for Shasta does not help him.
Ye-es- but Zil, you made a big deal about your vote being early and semi-random.

It really depends on whether or not the following suspicion was meant seriously:

But, but... I didn't even do anything yet!

Clearly Inzil is trying to look innocent by acting like he always does (i.e., voting for me). Very suspicious.

[Rikae]

It seems to me that they must have thought she was the seer - I had that thought myself. That, of course, would make Inzil look much better.
But in that case, why is Inzil acting so weird and defensive now? I thought Nerwen's "bluff" theory was far-fetched, but now that I see his reaction, I'm entertaining the possibility.
Now, about yesterday's Legate-wagon - I didn't realize how quickly things could get out of hand in such a small village, either. But really, did you have to go and lynch someone with such a good class participation grade, let alone the ranger!? :( Last Night I was thinking there had to be a wolvish influence in such a messed up wagon, perhaps an attempt to save Inzil by either Greenie or a cleverly bluffing Agan. With Agan ruled out, I really would like to take a look at Greenie toDay. Her case against Legate seemed kind of trumped-up, and then she dismisses Inzil with:
Yes, that's weird. I'm not sure what to make of Inzil, anyway, and his vote only served to confuse me more.
So, a "oh well, Inzil is weird, what can you do? kinda thing. And then later:
Inzil - Confusing. His interactions with Mac and Cab are especially interesting; he jokingly suspects them both, then actually suspects McCaber, then votes for Mac. Makes no sense unless his vote is a typo.
This looks like she's trying to explain it away, to me. She mentions a reason he's suspicious, but only labels it "confusing" and suggests a typo.

I have a feeling I might be too fixated on the idea of an Inzilwolf and possible accomplices, though - I'm going to have to look more closely at others. I don't agree with McCaber's trust of quiet ones: I've seen many a quiet wolf and even been one. I certainly hope we hear plenty from Wilwa and Shasta toDay. Also, something about Mac's "perky" attitude reminds me of times he's been a wolf before.

[satansaloser2005]

Agan, of all people? Really? :rolleyes:

Regarding the possibility of Agan bluffing as seer, I could see her buddying up to Dun for a Day had she dreamt him a wolf. After all, she's a hot candidate for Night kills (as we've just seen), so throwing him off her scent could buy her an extra dream or two so she could....I don't know, man, it's Agan. Frankly, my first suspicions would not have been that she was the seer; she defended Dun to the extreme, sure, but the manner in which she did it does not cry seer to me. I think she was going from what little evidence she had and wanted to keep Dun around because, as she said, she wanted to play with him.

Speaking of which, good show, village. Way to steamroll yet another ranger for essentially no reason. *grumbles* Poor Legate. Where the heck did that come from? :(

Mistress Kit, could we perhaps get a definitive yea or nay on the wildcard? I'd just like to be able to get a crystal picture of our situation.

No more to say at the moment, as I've a big project to complete today. Fair warning that I will probably be pretty quiet until late this evening, but I'll slip in when I can.

[Inziladun]

I guess I wasn't clear enough. Agan, for some reason, went all out to save you, to the extent of casting the kill-vote on another player whom she obviously didn't particularly suspect. To the wolves, this might well have suggested she was the Seer who had dreamed you as an innocent- unless you're *not* innocent, in which case it might be, as I said, a bluff. Or they might have killed her for some other reason- that's why I mentioned a.) her sudden gung-ho attitude towards lynching Mac and Shasta and b.) her Wildcard question. (I'd say we don't have one, but the numbers are borderline.

Ah. I would think it unlikely that she was targeted for entertaining a Mac or Shasta lynch in such a lukewarm manner.

It seems to me that they must have thought she was the seer - I had that thought myself. That, of course, would make Inzil look much better.
But in that case, why is Inzil acting so weird and defensive now? I thought Nerwen's "bluff" theory was far-fetched, but now that I see his reaction, I'm entertaining the possibility.

Weird? Always. But if I was a wolf, this 'bluff' would obviously draw this exact scrutiny of me.

Last Night I was thinking there had to be a wolvish influence in such a messed up wagon, perhaps an attempt to save Inzil by either Greenie or a cleverly bluffing Agan.

It could certainly be taken that way.
Cab voted Legate first, saying:

So with not a lot to go on, let's go with who saw suspicion in me, I would say unnecessarily and prematurely.

So, he chose Legate over me, though both of us could be said to have 'seen suspicion' in him.
Then Greenie followed that vote, of course.

Of the two, Greenie's looks a little worse.

x/d with Sally

[Kitanna]

Mistress Kit, could we perhaps get a definitive yea or nay on the wildcard? I'd just like to be able to get a crystal picture of our situation.


A disembodied head floats down among the villagers
There is no wildcard in play
Disembodied head floats away

[satansaloser2005]

A disembodied head floats down among the villagers
There is no wildcard in play
Disembodied head floats away

Spooky, yet informative. Thank you, disembodied head.

[Rikae]

Weird? Always. But if I was a wolf, this 'bluff' would obviously draw this exact scrutiny of me.
Really? Because it seems to me that it is far more likely to make you look innocent. Like I said, if not for your reaction, I would have moved you lower on my suspect list.

As a bluff, it doesn't really make that much sense. Why would the wolves feel the need to base their kill on protecting Inzil rather than hunting the seer? Sure, he came under fire, but day one suspicions are often short-lived. It would take a panicky wolf, a panicky pack, to do that, but that's just how Inzil is coming off - panicky.

[Inziladun]

As a bluff, it doesn't really make that much sense. Why would the wolves feel the need to base their kill on protecting Inzil rather than hunting the seer? Sure, he came under fire, but day one suspicions are often short-lived. It would take a panicky wolf, a panicky pack, to do that, but that's just how Inzil is coming off - panicky.

Well, ok then. I can see how going after Agan could be taken either way. It might also have been just something to lead us in the wrong direction, without any particular path in mind.

[Inziladun]

I wonder why we have the same people in the forefront two Days in a row. A couple of wolves at least are lurking in the background out of the fray.

[wilwarin538]

Just returned home, should be around periodically for several hours, as I said it is Thanksgiving so my family time is going to have to take precedence over this, but I will do my best. The deadline for me is rather early in the morning so I'll have to vote fairly early in the Day

I guess I wasn't clear enough. Agan, for some reason, went all out to save you, to the extent of casting the kill-vote on another player whom she obviously didn't particularly suspect. To the wolves, this might well have suggested she was the Seer who had dreamed you as an innocent- unless you're *not* innocent, in which case it might be, as I said, a bluff. Or they might have killed her for some other reason- that's why I mentioned a.) her sudden gung-ho attitude towards lynching Mac and Shasta and b.) her Wildcard question. (I'd say we don't have one, but the numbers are borderline.


To me it simply looked like Agan just wanted to play with Inzil and perhaps voted too quickly without really thinking it through, but I can definitely see how it could have looked like she was a Seer trying to protect an innocent she dreamed of. The wolves may not have had very much to go on either (only 2 pages of posts, a couple players not even present), so this one thing could have simply been better than nothing for them. This theory would make Inzil look very innocent. I can also see how this might look like a potential bluff by the wolves, but I don't know how likely I find that. The whole thing could just have easily been a random kill choice, so I'm not going to decide on Inzil's innocence just based on this.


Also, it took me way too long to figure out who Algae was supposed to be. Any reason Greenie isn't an acceptable nickname anymore, or was it all a plot to mess with my mind? :p

[Macalaure]

Well, this Day One was certainly terrible, even by Day One standards. Too few people online at the deadline, otherwise we might have prevented this.

Why Aganzir? Her mistake-vote made her look very innocent, I think. Wolves don't panic like that when voting one innocent over the other. Maybe some people were going to suspect her, but I doubt it. There was no way she was going to be the seer either, though I keep reading about that. If Aganseer had dreamt of Legate, her mess-up would have been incredible, and if she dreamt of an ordo-Inzil, she would have been more subtle about saving him. For a seer, it's better to have a known-to-you innocent die than to risk your own life by sticking out like that.
I don't see how her death makes Inzil look neither better nor worse, to be honest.

I have a feeling that a guilty Mac would be more involved, would more actively try to steer the conversation (or else cause chaos like he did last time he was evil).
An axe through the neck cures one of such behavior. This game I'll be all fluffy and agreeable! :D

You, on the other hand, post an entire paragraph about it.
This was in reply to LG's point against Legate (don't want to quote the whole thing). I noticed this, too: a tiny point against Legate, blown up by a whole lot. Sure, it was day one and there was preciously little else to go on, but still. Odd.


And why is Inzil so eager to have me suspect him? I feel taunted. :p

[satansaloser2005]

And why is Inzil so eager to have me suspect him? I feel taunted. :p

Maybe he's playing a dangerous game and is the third McWolf? :smokin:

[Inziladun]

Maybe he's playing a dangerous game and is the third McWolf? :smokin:

As epic as that would be, past experience wouldn't lend itself to a repeat.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

I need to go back over Day 1 before I contribute too much, but I did want to let you guys know I'm here this time. Sorry :(

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Well, alright, done that then. There really wasn't much that stood out in particular - the only thing I managed to dig up out of the banter-fest that was Day 1 was an interesting point Greenie (I refuse to call her algae on the grounds that algae is gross and slimy and Greenie is neither one of these things) brought up regarding Rikae's views on McCaber...

Nah, it's probably nothing. :Merisu:

[Rikae]

Well, alright, done that then. There really wasn't much that stood out in particular - the only thing I managed to dig up out of the banter-fest that was Day 1 was an interesting point Greenie (I refuse to call her algae on the grounds that algae is gross and slimy and Greenie is neither one of these things) brought up regarding Rikae's views on McCaber...

Nah, it's probably nothing. :Merisu:

Come to think of it, she is kind of misrepresenting what I said there, since it was a double post and pretty obviously a continuation of the same thought.

[A Little Green]

Well, if the wolves thought Agan was the Seer and had dreamed Inzil, they either consider her completely dishonourable or didn't read the thread very carefully. Agan only found out the game had started two hours before deadline yesterDay, so unless she lied about that, there's no way she could have dreamed anybody. Mind you, they might still have thought she was the Seer on some other grounds, but as to what those might be, I've no idea. Or else they just figured that her voting mistake would make her look very innocent and decided to be rid of her for that reason? Then again, targeting anyone but a potential Seer doesn't really make sense at this stage so I don't know.

Where did the Legate-wagon come from, anyway? I knew my vote would get me some of my own, but I was surprised to see he got lynched.
Although I'm pretty certain there's a wolf who voted me, odds are there's at least one who went for Legate. It narrows the possibilities at least that one on each bandwagon is gone.I'm not sure it can be called a wagon, to be honest. I mean - three people voting for Legate, one because Legate voted him, another because of an argument now proven to be completely wrong, and the third because she preferred playing with Inzil to playing with Legate. (Sorry to phrase it so bluntly but I seriously dislike the "I like playing with this guy so I'm not going to vote for him" -argument, even on a Day 1. I was prepared to argue about it with Agan toDay but obviously can't now. :()

Mac not taking the bait and attacking me, instead casting an easy vote for Shasta does not help him.So you voted for Mac to bait him? Was that it?

This looks like she's trying to explain it away, to me. She mentions a reason he's suspicious, but only labels it "confusing" and suggests a typo.Incorrect. I said Inzil was being inconsistent (suspecting McCaber but voting for Mac), but that doesn't necessarily equal suspicious. If you have a suggestion as to what an evil Inzil would accomplish by that, please tell me.

Also, it took me way too long to figure out who Algae was supposed to be. Any reason Greenie isn't an acceptable nickname anymore, or was it all a plot to mess with my mind?Greenie is fine, Agan just got the idea somewhere and is determined to use it, but she's more or less the only one who does.
I refuse to call her algae on the grounds that algae is gross and slimy and Greenie is neither one of these things<3

I have a feeling that a guilty Mac would be more involved, would more actively try to steer the conversation (or else cause chaos like he did last time he was evil).An axe through the neck cures one of such behavior. This game I'll be all fluffy and agreeable!Err... Mac? Are you in fact telling us how your wolf tactics this game are going to be smoother than last time? :Merisu:

This was in reply to LG's point against Legate (don't want to quote the whole thing). I noticed this, too: a tiny point against Legate, blown up by a whole lot. Sure, it was day one and there was preciously little else to go on, but still. Odd. Blown up by a whole lot mostly because I struggled to phrase what I had in mind and didn't manage to do it in a more concise manner.


EDIT: x-ed with Rikae

[A Little Green]

Come to think of it, she is kind of misrepresenting what I said there, since it was a double post and pretty obviously a continuation of the same thought.Sorry. I must have been unclear in explaining what I meant. What I was trying to get at was that you asked why McCaber is suspicious and added a point against him in quick succession. Obviously might be a simple case of thinking while typing, but it could as well be a case of subtly adding suspicion on a player while keeping your hands clean.

[A Little Green]

Right kiddos, it's outrageously late here so I need to head to bed. I'll be back some hours before deadline to post more and vote.

[Inziladun]

So you voted for Mac to bait him? Was that it?

Pretty much. I couldn't see voting anyone but him or Cab, and I wanted to see how Mac and others would react.

[Rikae]

Incorrect. I said Inzil was being inconsistent (suspecting McCaber but voting for Mac), but that doesn't necessarily equal suspicious. If you have a suggestion as to what an evil Inzil would accomplish by that, please tell me.


A wolf might have wanted Cab lynched, but not to be in the wagon. He might have been wolf-on-wolfing. Could be lots of things. But what I wonder is: why would an innocent Greenie repeatedly bring up such inconsistencies without any intent to either cast, or to answer, suspicion?

As for my posts on Cab, I can't see how it would be unclear to any honest reader: I was surprised by Inzil & Legate's suspicion which seemed disproportionate, and then made a guess as to what they meant: something I had noticed but didn't consider particularly significant myself.

What would be the point of sneakily casting suspicion on someone who was, at that point, the most suspected anyway?

[Inziladun]

As for my posts on Cab, I can't see how it would be unclear to any honest reader: I was surprised by Inzil & Legate's suspicion which seemed disproportionate, and then made a guess as to what they meant: something I had noticed but didn't consider particularly significant myself.

I don't recall saying either Cab or Mac were doubleplussuspicious. On a slow Day, that little bit with Mac seemingly answering your summons, and Cab calling him on it, just stood out.

[wilwarin538]

Alright, I pretty much just have the time to vote now and then won't be able to make it back on, as I said the DL is quite early in the morning for me. If I'm alive for Day 3 it will no longer be a holiday so I should have quite a bit more time to contribute.

I feel quite good about Rikae and Mac, and just in the chance that the wolves did think Agan a seer for her behaviour about Inzil I won't vote for him today (Nerwen suggested it could be a bluff to protect him from getting votes again, but to me Night 1 is not the time to start worrying about protecting themselves from random votes they got, rather than go after the seer, so I'm inclined to think they thought she could have dreamed him). That doesn't mean I'll never consider him again, but for now I think I'll go elsewhere.

McCaber hasn't contributed yet today, and Shasta not really enough for me yet, so I'll leave out them. So my choices are then Greenie, Nerwen or Sally.

I'll go with this:

++Greenie

I admit, more from process of elimination of who I really don't want to vote for, rather than because I really find her suspicious.

Slight chance I'll be up early enough to come back, but more than likely I won't be on until Day 3, when I seriously hope to have the time to do more.

[Macalaure]

I'm not sure it can be called a wagon, to be honest. I mean - three people voting for Legate, one because Legate voted him, another because of an argument now proven to be completely wrong, and the third because she preferred playing with Inzil to playing with Legate.

May I read "because of an argument now proven to be completely wrong" as "don't look back at what I did there, because it reeks of wolfishness"? ;)

I mean, of course the argument is now proven wrong. That always happens whenever an innocent gets lynched. Why point it out as such while being vague about the detail? It really has a taste of you trying to absolve yourself of making a bad case, and that makes me suspicious.


Unrelated: Shall we call it the Legate band-tricycle? :D

[Inziladun]

Hmm. There's still a distinct lack of activity from some, which is problematic.

I can see Wilwa's point on Greenie, and the latter's vote for Legate still looks off. The fact that Mac appears to be probing toward a possible Greenie vote gives me pause though.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

I'm uncertain as to whether or not Rikae is more or less suspicious based on her response, but I'll leave it lie for not. Have to admit, I'm not seeing where the suspicion on Greenie is coming from, but that might just be that I'm playing from my phone (it's storming) and it's difficult to fully read the thread when I can't make notes. :(

[Inziladun]

I'm not seeing where the suspicion on Greenie is coming from, but that might just be that I'm playing from my phone (it's storming) and it's difficult to fully read the thread when I can't make notes. :(

I'm still going on the idea that a wolf was in on the Legate-lynch, and coming from Greenie it looked more opportunistic. I don't know she'd be my first choice for a vote, though. I feel fairly good about Wilwa, so there's that.

I wasn't much mollified by Nerwen's response that she 'thinks like a wolf', and she isn't coming across as her innocent wolf-hinting self.

[Inziladun]

Man, bedtime again.

I'm reluctant to follow on the Greenie train right now, mainly due to Mac.

So I'll go with ++Nerwen

based on my last.

[Nerwen]

Zil's really weird toDay, isn’t he?:confused:

[Macalaure]

I don't know what to do with Inzil anymore. I'll look at him tomorrow.

Greenie is my best bet for tonight, so here we go:

++A Little Green

[Shastanis Althreduin]

There's something strange going on between Mac and Inzil, seemingly. If Agan was killed due to looking like the Seer (I can't find another reason for her to be killed so soon after causing Legate's death, anyway) then I tend to lean towards Mac. Plus he voted me yesterday, the cad!

++Macalaure

[Rikae]

I can't stay awake any longer, and I won't be up before DL, so I'll have to vote now.

For reasons previously given, plus the way he's been extra calm since I called him panicky. I know, that sounds terrible, but just look: I feel like he's tiptoeing around me, and I don't recall innocent!Inzil being one to tiptoe.

++Inziladun

[satansaloser2005]

Guuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuys, I'm really tired and I just want to sleep. It looks like we have four different people with votes. That can't be true, can it? :confused:

Doing a quick read through, voting, and then going to bed. Back soon.

[McCaber]

Man, I didn't miss a whole lot of discussion toDay, and what is here I can't decipher much from at all.

Voting is as follows -
wilwa: LG
Inzil: Nerwen
Mac: LG (2)
Shasta: Mac
Rikae: Inzil

Left to vote are sally, myself, LG, and Nerwen.

[satansaloser2005]

Mac is not allowed to be lynched because he coined the term Aganseer and I know how much Agan will love that. Also I don't find him on the top of my suspicion list (which is most of what I'm going to focus on at the moment because again, very sleepy).


I know this is a stretch, and I may regret bringing it up in the morning, but I want to call attention to this from Wilwa.

Slight chance I'll be up early enough to come back, but more than likely I won't be on until Day 3, when I seriously hope to have the time to do more.

Specifying that she won't be back until the next Day seems....well, how would she know she'd be around on the next Day? More importantly, why specify that she'll be back on Day 3, rather than saying she'll be gone for a couple of days? Could she be alerting her pack to an absence this coming Night? She does note that she hopes to have the time to do more, which could be taken as either a desire to participate in discussion or a desire to communicate with her pack. Perhaps just straws, but it's a distinct ping for me at this point. I believe Wilwa would be bold enough to make such a comment, being unable to communicate with her pack any other way at this point, and the specificity of her wording seems tricksy to me.


Mac is also not allowed to be lynched because he said Legate band-tricycle. You are on point today, my friend! :D


Meanwhile, my Nerwen radar is saying....nothing, which is distinctly unsettling. In my experience, my Nerwen radar always gives off the exact opposite impression, which is to say that I suspect her when she's innocent (especially when she's gifted) and ignore her when she's evil. I'd forgotten she was playing until I came across one of her posts, and I'll also note that she's not done nearly as much saccharine banter with Shasta as I would expect (though perhaps that's due to his own lack of participation?). I don't feel comfortable voting her toDay based solely on this, but it's something I must keep an eye on.


Dun's reaction to toDay's attention makes me wonder what he might be. I feel an innocent Dun would laugh and shrug it off (though the commentary to the wolves at the start of the Day was amusing and seemed typical of him), but he's gone through a range of reactions as the Day has gone on, from panic to straight face to the following comment.

Hmm. There's still a distinct lack of activity from some, which is problematic.

Given Wilwa's quoted comment above (which comes not long before Dun's above post) I almost feel like this is some sort of sign of recognition, perhaps even disapproval, toward a semi-absent packmate. I know I'm connecting two "if then" dots, but between Dun's actions toDay and Wilwa's possibly pointed comment, I don't feel like the dots are too far apart.


Currently that makes my top options Wilwa and Dun. I feel Dun is the popular choice toDay, but I'll give it a quick think as I ready for bed and make my decision upon my return.



x'd with the McCobbler (I've missed you, by the way!)

[satansaloser2005]

++Dun to be done

I find his comments and shifting attitudes toDay too bizarre to ignore. Besides, I'm extra paranoid about him from our last game. ;)

I'm out for the night. Sleep well, my loves.

[Nerwen]

Legate

I am also giving other’s responses to, and opinions of, our late Ranger, leaving out Agan. Posts may not be cited in full.

Legate #24
Banter. Says that if he had to guess on the basis of "tone and gut-feeling”, his pick would be McCaber as "the only ones giving any awkward vibes on first read” and “okay, maybe possibly Mac.” Stresses that these are just first impressions. Edits this post to note that it crossed with Zil #23 (a seemingly non-serious accusation of Mac and McCaber), saying, "Notwithstanding joking, to name the same two people is somewhat... unsettling.”
Comments: As we will see, this post is largely what got him lynched.

Zil #26 (replying to Legate #24)
"It's a conspiracy, I tells ya. Or, more likely, a coincidence based on the fact that so few have posted toDay.’

Legate #27 (replying to Zil #25)
I didn't even think about it as wolf-on-wolf, but McCab especially (and Mac a bit) was basically really the only person sounding to me somehow fake, or how to say it. But that's really the only thing. But noticing such interactions is good, if for future reference, or whatever, we shall see...

Rikae #28
Askes why Cab is suspicious, or whether it’s just banter. (This post x’d with the previous.)

Zil #31
Says Legate "doesn't have any furry vibe at the moment”.

Rikae #35
Says Legate “sounds legit”.

Tally
Inzil —> Mac

Mac #36
Only Legate and Rikae are really trying to be helpful, which is nice, and even though it doesn't actually tell us anything about their alignment, I'd be willing to reward it by not voting for them.

Tally
Inzil —> Mac
Mac —> Shasta
Sally —> Zil
Rikae —> Zil(2)

McCaber #49 (Vote-post)
I'm not sure I agree with lynching the silent ones Day 1. In my experience, the people with something to play for are the ones who tend to show up early, while the lurkers tend to be ordinary innocents.

So with not a lot to go on, let's go with who saw suspicion in me, I would say unnecessarily and prematurely.

++ Legate of Amon Lanc

Tally
Inzil —> Mac
Mac —> Shasta
Sally —> Zil
Rikae —> Zil(2)
McCaber —> Legate

Greenie #50
Comments on Legate's edit to #24:
This looks - a bit panicky? Or not panicky, but he does seem to overreact a little. Possibly just innocent Legate phrasing oddly, but I also see a possibility of wolf-Legate getting worried that his harmless suspicion would lead to actual consequences. Maybe wolf-on-wolf he had thought risk-free this early and then freaked out when somebody else even jokingly suspected the same, or else just plain old not wanting to be associated with what might turn out to be a bandwagon against an innocent. Even if it was wolf-on-wolf, though, I find it unlikely that both Cab and Mac are wolves, that would be too bold for Legate, but if it's only one of them, why was Legate so concerned about Inzil suspecting "the same two people"? Gah. Too much speculation! I think there's something off in here, I'm just not sure what.
Comments: that last is something I’ve seen (and used) before as a wolf-tactic– drawing attention to a tussle between multiple players as “suspicious” in a noncommittal, non-specific way, thus leaving one’s options open. That said, “something off in here, not sure what” was pretty much my own reaction to the whole thing at that.

Legate #52
Sally's reasoning for her vote “seems innocentish”; is “uncertain” about Rikae's, as the grounds she gave seem thin. Comments on McCaber #34
This has more or less the same vibe I got earlier from McCab, which could be this sort of wishy-washy "I am pointing at someone, but never mind me, I didn't actually say anything". Of course it has reasons behind it, but . The question is also whether voting for me after that is a sign of independant mind or further dodge: a Wolf mentions person X as suspicious and then votes person Y, because he doesn't want to be associated with the lynching of person X. Cab is still in my orange zone, essentially.

On Mac #36
I hope this is not the classical case of a Wolf "buddying up" or talking nicely to other people in order to get on their good side. Villainy wears many masks, none of which so dangerous as virtue. Also, I have hard time remembering whether Mac has always been so cheerful as he seems from all his posts, or whether it is a result of his merry Nightly frolicking.
(This post x’d with Greenie's entrance.)

Greenie #55
Replaying to Legate #52:
I don't really know what "vibe" you talk about, that quote gave me no vibes whatsoever. Interesting point about Cab's vote, though, even if I don't really think it was a wolfish vote. I mean, look at the reason he gives:
Quote:
Originally Posted by Cab
So with not a lot to go on, let's go with who saw suspicion in me, I would say unnecessarily and prematurely.
I don't really see Cabwolf openly declaring he votes for someone solely because they suspected him - not even on a Day 1 with little to go on. If he was a wolf, I'm sure he could have invented another reason for voting Legate. Gut-feeling or something.

Legate #56
Replies to Greenie; makes list:
True; well, he says "unnecessarily and prematurely", which is a sort of accusation (in fact, a kind of veiled one again, could be again more or less in the same style as his earlier posts). But yes, you have a point.

Anyway, as for some general evaluation, from my part at this time:

On the innocentish side:

sally
Zil

Leaning no particular way:

Nerwen
Greenie

Yellow zone:
Rikae - but simply because I would like to hear about the vote, otherwise nothing bad
Mac?

Orange zone:
McCaber

Absent:
Shasta
Wilwa
Aganzir (technically, hasn't posted yet)

So my strongest pick would in most ways be McCaber, even though I would definitely like to see more from him, too, but guess we can't have everything. Taking into account also Greenie's point; the question is however whether a Cabwolf would simply not invent a case for voting me because he simply wants to make it a throwaway vote, after messing around with other people earlier, and simply wishing to stay out of sight or whatever. Still around and pondering, though.

Greenie #58
Suspicion-list. On Legate
"His jumpy reaction to Inzil "suspecting" the same people was a bit fishy, and I think he's grasping at straws with his suspicion of Cab. It's also interesting that while he was all the time more after Cab than Mac, he dropped Mac altogether after Inzil voted for him. Eyebrow-raising.”

(The next few posts are all from Agan, and have been treated separately by me in an earlier post.)

Greenie #62 (Vote-post)
Replying to Agan #59 (where she disputes Legate's edit to #24 being “panicky”):
I see what you mean. But I also think the way he phrased his surprise (notwithstanding joking, to name the same two people is somewhat... unsettling) seemed like he was more disturbed than surprised. Like I said, I might be reading things into an innocent Legate phrasing things oddly, but it's the best lead I have at the moment.

That said -

++ Legate

(This is followed by Agan's vote on Legate.)

Tally
Inzil —> Mac
Mac —> Shasta
Sally —> Zil
Rikae —> Zil(2)
McCaber —> Legate
Greenie —> Legate
Agan —> Legate

Legate #67
Replying to Greenie’s vote-post.
Very interesting, LG. I'm really wondering about your reasoning there, because didn't you effectively disqualify that being disturbing yourself? As in, okay, let's say that what I said is odd, but what does it effectively mean? What would I accomplish by saying it if I were a baddie? More so if it seemed like I was disturbed? In your train of thoughts, the only thing that could point it to would be that one of the guys in question (or both) would be fellow Wolves and I am panicking - so why would I bring more attention to it all? Very, very odd reasoning you have, indeed.

Legate #71 (Vote-post)
And what the??? And can I even save myself anymore???

Well, of course I have to

++Zil

But seriously?????

Legate #72.
Realises he can’t save himself; is generally furious.

Legate #73.
I can assure you, it WON'T look hilarious to the village.

First person to get the votes is lynched, ergo me.

For that matter, I believe Agan innocent and I don't know about Greenie now. (50/50 I'd say. And it isn't just because of the vote.)

Final posts are dialogue with Agan (known ordo) and a a final “don’t do this again” admonishment to the village.

Comments; So yes, that was weird, even for a Day One lynch. The reasons given for voting him were
1. Retaliation for being suspected at #24. (McCaber.)
2. “Panicky” edit to #24. (Greenie.)
3. Saving Zil (Agan.)

Of the three, Agan is dead and a known innocent and McCaber posted very little. Greenie, though, is noteworthy for the way she keeps coming back to #24, and apparently somehow finding it more suspicious with each iteration. An obvious inference would be that Greenie is packmates with Mac or McCaber (whom she defends, especially the latter) or else with Zil (who was actually in danger). That, however, would make the Night-kill of Aganzir, the other Legate-voter, an odd choice.

Note: I started this some hours ago and had to go out just before finishing, so though I am aware of later posts I haven’t read them properly and they are not taken into account here.

EDIT: typo.

[McCaber]

x'd with the McCobbler (I've missed you, by the way!)

I know, it's been a while. Good to finally be back.

Although your point on wilwa here really seems like a stretch to me. Especially when trying to connect it to Inzil like you've done. Not really a fan.

Speaking of, I don't really agree with the recent Inzil train. He looks more like an ordo to me, albeit a weirdly-acting one. And LG has done nothing to make me suspicious of her that I can see.

Of the people who have votes already, I most suspect Mac. I really don't like his post here (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=694781&postcount=36), because it looks like trying to sow discontent with nothing much to go on.

[Nerwen]

Tally

Wilwa —> Greenie
Inzil —> Nerwen
Mac —> Greenie
Shasta —> Mac
Rikae —> Inzil
Sally —> Inzil

Which means that Greenie is leading, based on this game’s tiebreaker rule.

EDIT: x’d with McCaber

[Nerwen]

Now Zil… I really don’t think I want to vote him toDay, since though there are other possibilities, which I have covered, the Night-kill does seem like a distinct point in his favour.

This is a pity, as frankly he hasn’t been acting all that innocently toDay!

Then we have Mac and Greenie, both of whom have had, essentially, the same interesting reaction to the Night-kill:

#100
Why Aganzir? Her mistake-vote made her look very innocent, I think. Wolves don't panic like that when voting one innocent over the other. Maybe some people were going to suspect her, but I doubt it. There was no way she was going to be the seer either, though I keep reading about that. If Aganseer had dreamt of Legate, her mess-up would have been incredible, and if she dreamt of an ordo-Inzil, she would have been more subtle about saving him. For a seer, it's better to have a known-to-you innocent die than to risk your own life by sticking out like that.
I don't see how her death makes Inzil look neither better nor worse, to be honest.

#106
Well, if the wolves thought Agan was the Seer and had dreamed Inzil, they either consider her completely dishonourable or didn't read the thread very carefully. Agan only found out the game had started two hours before deadline yesterDay, so unless she lied about that, there's no way she could have dreamed anybody. Mind you, they might still have thought she was the Seer on some other grounds, but as to what those might be, I've no idea. Or else they just figured that her voting mistake would make her look very innocent and decided to be rid of her for that reason? Then again, targeting anyone but a potential Seer doesn't really make sense at this stage so I don't know.

”Hey! Do you villagers think we’re stupid? That’s not why we killed her at all!"

I mean: maybe. Obviously, not everyone is going to interpret things the same way. But I have seen wolves give a similar, “Huh? What are you talking about?” response to Night-kill theories.

Still, they’re both doing it, and meanwhile Mac has voted Greenie in what would be a rather unnecessarily risky bit of wolf-on-wolfing at this stage.

[satansaloser2005]

Although your point on wilwa here really seems like a stretch to me.

I admit it may be far-fetched, but it caught my eye as I was reading the thread and I'd rather make issue of it now and feel silly in the morning than forget about it and have it go unnoticed. That said, I know Wilwa can be that tricksy, but I also know how sleepy I am, which is why I didn't want to act on it without giving it further thought and voted for Dun instead; despite what Agan's death may say of him, he's still acting too suspicious for my tastes.


Why the frell am I still up? I'm not, that's the answer to that. Good night, kiddos.

[McCaber]

Well, I must to bed. So without further ado

++ Macalaure

[A Little Green]

If I'm right, the tally looks something like this:

wilwa – Greenie
Inzil – Nerwen
Mac – Greenie (2)
Shasta – Mac
Rikae – Inzil
Sally – Inzil (2)
Cab – Mac (2)

So - three-way tie with two people left to vote, and the first to gain the final number of votes dies, right? Which basically means that the one out of Nerwen and myself who votes first decides the lynch. Which makes it pretty straightforward, really - I know I'm not a wolf, and so even though I'd like to think this over a little longer, read through the posts of both gentlemen and then decide, I don't want to risk the village certainly losing an innocent as opposed to losing someone who at least could be a wolf. So, out of those two, I'm going to go with

++ Macalaure

[Nerwen]

Okay… I think this makes my vote non-effective, whatever I do.

[A Little Green]

So why Mac and not Inzil? Process of elimination, basically. I don't find Inzil particularly suspicious; stuff like yesterDay's suspecting Cab but voting for Mac to get a reaction doesn't strike me as something an Inzilwolf would necessarily do. While Mac might not have been top of my list either, he's at least been sketchier than Inzil. I still think he'd be more involved as a wolf; but his reaction to when I pointed this out was odd, and I'm not quite comfortable with his way of being "fluffy and agreeable" (his own words).


EDIT: x-ed with Nerwen

[Nerwen]

Tally

Wilwa —> Greenie
Inzil —> Nerwen
Mac —> Greenie (2)
Shasta —> Mac
Rikae —> Inzil
Sally —> Inzil (2)
McCaber —> Mac (2)
Greenie —> Mac (3)


So everyone else has voted, and Mac dies under the tie-breaker rule.

So, hoping for the best:
++Macalaure

For the record, I think Greenie looks rather worse, but there are points against Mac, and he was someone I was at least considering.

Unfortunately, I don’t think learning his role will tell us that much about Greenie’s. I mean, if he’s a wolf it’s not *likely* she’s his fellow, but hardly something we could count on either. A pity.

[A Little Green]

But what I wonder is: why would an innocent Greenie repeatedly bring up such inconsistencies without any intent to either cast, or to answer, suspicion?Simple answer: Day 1. On a Day 1, I generally bring up anything and everything that catches my attention unless I have a good reason not to mention it.

As for my posts on Cab, I can't see how it would be unclear to any honest reader: I was surprised by Inzil & Legate's suspicion which seemed disproportionate, and then made a guess as to what they meant: something I had noticed but didn't consider particularly significant myself.

What would be the point of sneakily casting suspicion on someone who was, at that point, the most suspected anyway?So you're basically implying that anyone who finds something you do suspicious is either stupid or dishonest? I'm sorry, but I find that a little excessive. If you're innocent - the rest of us don't know your role, and without that information, it shouldn't come as a surprise that we also produce interpretations that look obviously wrong from your perspective. If you're a wolf - well, that would explain the defensiveness, but even so I think rhetorics like that are a little out of proportion in this context.

As for your question - sneakily casting suspicion on McCaber would serve to increase a general atmosphere of "McCaber is suspicious". This was early on in Day 1, so even though Cab was the most suspected person at that point, he wasn't suspected very much, and subtly adding to the suspicion on him would serve to take it to a more serious level. Does it make sense now?

Specifying that she won't be back until the next Day seems....well, how would she know she'd be around on the next Day? More importantly, why specify that she'll be back on Day 3, rather than saying she'll be gone for a couple of days? Could she be alerting her pack to an absence this coming Night? She does note that she hopes to have the time to do more, which could be taken as either a desire to participate in discussion or a desire to communicate with her pack. Perhaps just straws, but it's a distinct ping for me at this point. I believe Wilwa would be bold enough to make such a comment, being unable to communicate with her pack any other way at this point, and the specificity of her wording seems tricksy to me.I agree with McCaber, I think this sounds a bit far-fetched. Makes me slightly wary of Sally, actually; this looks somewhat forced, like a wolf trying to come up with an original suspicion once realising that chasing Inzil twice in a row would come across too easy and bandwagony on its own.

Meanwhile, my Nerwen radar is saying....nothing, which is distinctly unsettling. In my experience, my Nerwen radar always gives off the exact opposite impression, which is to say that I suspect her when she's innocent (especially when she's gifted) and ignore her when she's evil. I'd forgotten she was playing until I came across one of her posts, and I'll also note that she's not done nearly as much saccharine banter with Shasta as I would expect (though perhaps that's due to his own lack of participation?). I don't feel comfortable voting her toDay based solely on this, but it's something I must keep an eye on.I agree with this bit, though - Nerwen manages to contribute a lot while remaining securely under my radar, which is a bit unnerving (sorry, bad pun). I don't think we should read too much into the absence of Nerwen-Shasta-banter, however, given that Shasta missed the entire Day 1 and thus the most optimal banter-time.

[Macalaure]

I was afraid this was going to happen when I went to bed, but then I thought I was just paranoid.

ToMorrow we will have a village of 7, with 3 wolves. At least there's a chance the seer will still make a difference, because you've just lynched an ordo.

And, wow, look at the reasoning behind those votes:

Shasta because I voted for him on Day 1.
McCaber for no reason at all.
Greenie to save herself, with no reason why she's preferring me over Inzil (at least nothing stated).
Nerwen because it didn't matter anymore.

Best of luck on Day 3, you'll need it.

:rolleyes:

[A Little Green]

ToMorrow we will have a village of 7, with 3 wolves. At least there's a chance the seer will still make a difference, because you've just lynched an ordo.

And, wow, look at the reasoning behind those votes:

Shasta because I voted for him on Day 1.
McCaber for no reason at all.
Greenie to save herself, with no reason why she's preferring me over Inzil (at least nothing stated).
Nerwen because it didn't matter anymore.Mac - if you're telling the truth (and I don't see why you wouldn't be, at this point), I'm sorry. If Inzil is a wolf I'll kick myself. As for the reasonings behind the votes - flashbacks to yesterDay, anyone? :rolleyes: To be fair, though, Shasta did have something else against you as well, and I did give a reason as to why I chose you over Inzil.

[Kitanna]

The next morning the villagers met again in the tavern to discuss their misfortune some more. With the death of their Ranger the villager descended into bickering arguing about who killed who.

“It was Greenie!” Wilwa screamed, pointing a finger at her.

“I mean obviously!” Mac agreed. “Just look at her, all...green and what not.”

“Hardly,” Rikae said. “Inzil, it had to be him. He managing to escape yesterday, but I just know he’s hiding something.”

Sally walked around with a picket sign that read “Dun to be Done”.

Three hands went up at once demanding Mac be removed from the village by the most violent means possible.

Nerwen bit her lip, unsure what to do. “Honestly, it looks like Greenie is a fanged and furred villian, but it looks like it won’t have much effect if I vote for her.” She shuffled from foot to foot. “Let’s find out about Mac’s lycanthropic tendencies first I guess.”

Mac put his hands up and backed into a corner. “Me? No! I never hurt anyone! I’m just trying to live my life! It’s Greenie! Or maybe it’s Shasta! Or Nerwen! Or McCaber! It could be anyone, but it’s not me!”

“There’s only one way to find out,” Greenie said.

McCaber jumped for Mac. Mac dodged McCaber’s tackle only to be blindsided by Greenie, who had armed herself with a chair. She swung and hit his knee. Mac dropped, clutching his wounded leg. Rikae grabbed a torch from the wall and put it to Mac’s clothes as he lay begging for mercy.

The smell of burning fabric, hair, and flesh filled the tavern. Mac screamed and writhed on the floor. He rolled around trying to put the fire out. Flames jumped off him, landing on the floor, eating up the wood.

“Someone get a bucket of water,” Sally instructed, “So we don’t accidently burn this place down.”

Inzil took up the task. He ran out to the well and upon his return he found Mac had stopped moving, but the flames continued to burn what was left. Inzil threw the water on the burning corpse. The floor where Mac had rolled was damaged beyond repair and his charred body was a smoking, smelly mess. And much to the chagrin of the village he hadn’t changed into a wolf form. Mac was as innocent as he claimed to be.

The Living
Inziladun
satansaloser2005
McCaber
Rikae
Nerwen
wilwarin538
Shastanis Althreduin
A Little Green

The Dead
Kitanna – ripped apart Night 1 - Moddess
Legate of Amon Lanc - Brained on Day 1 - Ranger
Aganzir - Scalped on Night 2 - Ordo
Macalaure - Set on fire Day 2 - Ordo

Night 3 has begun

[Kitanna]

The wind outside howled or maybe it was those nefarious wolves, McCaber wasn’t sure. He sat in his study looking over some texts on the subject, trying hard not to jump at every little sound.

There had to be a way to stop these beasts before anyone else died. Unfortunately nothing turned up that would ensure all would die at once, rather than one by one. Frustrated and sleepy he put his head down, resting it on his arms.

McCaber woke with a start to find his candle burned out and three shadowy figures blocking out the moonlight. “I should have known.”

“Grab him,” one ordered.

The other two grabbed McCaber, not giving a thought to his comfort in the matter. McCaber didn’t fight, from his research he knew there was no way out. Instead he began to sing “The Song that Never Ends” to annoy them while they tied him to his chair. His voice got louder and louder.

“We need to shut him up.” One of the wolves who had tied him down shoved a funnel in his mouth. While another poured the contents of a pot into his mouth.

McCaber gagged at the raw, meaty slop being forced into his mouth. A shard of something moved down the funnel and lodged itself in his throat. His gagging turned to wheezing and then all air was cut off. McCaber flailed as best he could in his position. He tried to free his himself so he could perform the heimlich.


“What’s wrong? Does Agan not sit well in your stomach?”

Eventually his flailing stopped and his head fell limping forward. The wolves proceeded to poke around his study. One came across a rather interesting mirror tucked under some books.

“A scrying mirror. Ha! I bet he didn’t see that coming!” The wolf laughed and put the mirror down.

~*~*~

In the morning the village found McCaber covered in body and pureed guts, though his skin was blue underneath. There were many dismayed cries as they realized the wolves had killed their seer.

The Living
Inziladun
satansaloser2005
Rikae
Nerwen
wilwarin538
Shastanis Althreduin
A Little Green

The Dead
Kitanna – ripped apart Night 1 - Moddess
Legate of Amon Lanc - Brained on Day 1 - Ranger
Aganzir - Scalped on Night 2 - Ordo
Macalaure - Set on fire Day 2 - Ordo
McCaber - Choked on bits of Agan Night 3 - Seer

Day 3 has begun

[Inziladun]

So Cab was the Seer. I was thinking him one of the wolf triumvirate, along with Nerwen, and maybe Greenie. His vote yesterDay was obviously not a clue to that. Why else would he have been targeted?

I think the numbers indicate that an innocent lynch toDay is Game Over.

[Nerwen]

Well. This is going very badly indeed.

McCaber, Day One

#10.
Opening banter: “I’ll step up! Everyone is a wolf but me."

#22.
Banter– accuses Mac at #21 of "chiming in suspiciously on cue”.

Tally
Inzil —> Mac

#34.
Inzil's vote seems more random than anything else, because there's like six posts here to choose from. I didn't see anything in Mac's post besides early banter.

Tally
Inzil —>Mac
Mac —> Shasta
Sally —> Inzil
Rikae —> Inzil (2)

#49. Vote-post
I'm not sure I agree with lynching the silent ones Day 1. In my experience, the people with something to play for are the ones who tend to show up early, while the lurkers tend to be ordinary innocents.

So with not a lot to go on, let's go with who saw suspicion in me, I would say unnecessarily and prematurely.

++ Legate of Amon Lanc

Comment: I think we can safely say that whoever McCaber dreamed on Night One, it wasn’t Legate!:rolleyes: The part about “lynching the silent ones” seems to be a response to Mac's vote for my absent beloved; may also be to Rikae #35, where she proposes lynching non-appearing players (at that time, Shasta, Sally, Aganzir, Wilwa and Greenie), though this sounds more like banter. Possibly McCaber gave that caution because he had dreamed one of these players as an innocent. It does not, unfortunately, seem likely that he had dreamed a wolf.


McCaber, Day Two

#123
Man, I didn't miss a whole lot of discussion toDay, and what is here I can't decipher much from at all.

Voting is as follows -
wilwa: LG
Inzil: Nerwen
Mac: LG (2)
Shasta: Mac
Rikae: Inzil

Left to vote are sally, myself, LG, and Nerwen.

Tally
Wilwa —> Greenie
Inzil —> Nerwen
Mac —> Greenie (2)
Shasta —> Mac
Rikae —> Inzil
Sally —> Inzil (2)

#127.
Replying to Sally at #124:
I know, it's been a while. Good to finally be back.

Although your point on wilwa here really seems like a stretch to me. Especially when trying to connect it to Inzil like you've done. Not really a fan.

Speaking of, I don't really agree with the recent Inzil train. He looks more like an ordo to me, albeit a weirdly-acting one. And LG has done nothing to make me suspicious of her that I can see.

Of the people who have votes already, I most suspect Mac. I really don't like his post here [#36], because it looks like trying to sow discontent with nothing much to go on.

#131. Vote-post:
Well, I must to bed. So without further ado

++ Macalaure

Comment: Again, obviously McCaber had not dreamed the person he voted, since Mac, too was innocent. All in all, he said so little that it’s hard to glean much from his posts– except it looks very much as though he had dreamed Inzil as an ordo– note typical Seer’s phrasing in #127. It is harder to guess his other dream. It may have been Greenie (again, as an ordo), based on the same post, however the wording is more ambiguous and might also mean he *hadn’t* dreamed her as yet. Another possibility is that “not a fan” was a way of saying he had dreamed Sally as a wolf, however if he had, he did not follow it up in any way. A final possibility is Wilwa (as ordo), again based on #127.

As for what tipped the wolves off- well, there’s what I just mentioned, plus McCaber had seemed a little “off” in his playing to many, and to wolves that can smell of giftedness. All the same, it was an awfully good guess…

…I hate to say it, but maybe we should lynch my king next?:eek:

EDIT:X’d with Zil

[Inziladun]

Cab's posting was pretty sparse.

His first of any note was this (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showthread.php?p=694767#post694767), the one where he called out Mac for the latter's sudden appearance. Obviously we can say now there was nothing to that.

Next was this (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=694779&postcount=34), where he says my vote for Mac looked random, and Mac had just been bantering.

Cab's Day 1 vote was for Legate, a known innocent.

Day 2 he didn't show up til late in the Day, first giving a vote tally.

Next (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=694877&postcount=127), he says Sally is stretching a point against Greenie. He didn't like the 'Inzil train', and didn't think Greenie had done anything suspicious 'that I can see'. Could he have dreamed me and Greenie? Ends by saying he most suspects Mac.

He then votes for Mac, and that's it.

Like I said, all I can get is that he might have dreamed Greenie and me. I'll take her off my red list for now.

x/d with Nerwen

[Inziladun]

Wilwa had the first vote of the Day, with Greenie.

Shasta got the ball rolling on Mac, and his reason (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=694869&postcount=120) for it seems a bit forced.

Votes for me from Rikae and Sally followed.

Cab and Greenie went for Mac next. We know Cab was the Seer, and based on his words I'm ready to give a pass to Greenie.

Nerwen voted for Mac with a note that she was 'hoping for the best', and that her vote would not count anyway, ie, could not overcome the Mac-wagon. Very safe for a wolf.

To me, that leaves Shasta and Nerwen as the most suspicious based on the votes.

[wilwarin538]

Again, obviously McCaber had not dreamed the person he voted, since Mac, too was innocent. All in all, he said so little that it’s hard to glean much from his posts– except it looks very much as though he had dreamed Inzil as an ordo– note typical Seer’s phrasing in #127. It is harder to guess his other dream. It may have been Greenie (again, as an ordo), based on the same post, however the wording is more ambiguous and might also mean he *hadn’t* dreamed her as yet. Another possibility is that “not a fan” was a way of saying he had dreamed Sally as a wolf, however if he had, he did not follow it up in any way. A final possibility is Wilwa (as ordo), again based on #127.


I agree that based on his wording Inzil seemed like one of his dreams, and considering Inzil had received votes on Day 1 it would have made sense for him to choose him to dream of. I don't think there's anything else that looks concrete enough to feel confident about with regards to his second dream. It's possible that his other dream was someone who had already died by Day 2. So, I'm going to choose to feel good about Inzil, because this adds on to the fact that yesterday we were also considering his innocence from Agan's posts.

So that leaves Shasta, Nerwen, Rikae, Sally and Greenie for me to vote from. Even though we lose today if we guess wrong, the odds are pretty good of hitting a wolf (3 out of 5).

[Rikae]

Well, judging from McSeer's posts, it looks like I've once again been persecuting an innocent Inzil. :rolleyes:
Really, from now on, I should just make a rule for myself to never vote for Inzil, even if he proclaims himself a wolf.

It also seems quite possible Cab dreamed of Greenie, so I'm going to have a close look at everyone else. Unfortunately there isn't going to be a whole lot to go on: did we actually have two wolves skip the first Day? That would be outrageous.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Purely looking at the way the votes fell, we know Mac's vote for Greenie was coming from an innocent. The fact that Wilwa also voted Greenie makes me wonder why Mac got as many votes as he did. I suspected him a little (which is more than I had on anyone else, at the time) but I certainly didn't expect a bandwagon to ensue. Rikae and Sally both voted Inzil after I voted for Mac. My question is, with Greenie leading in votes up until then, if she's innocent, why didn't she get hammered on? It seems to me as though, with 3 wolf votes versus 5 innocent votes, it would have been a reasonable assumption to think that three votes on the same person would have been quite the uphill battle to overcome.

Splitting the votes at that juncture also made it more likely that a single vote would carry the day - which is better for the wolves, in my opinion.

Interestingly, Inzil didn't get hammered on either, after those initial votes.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Trouble with that is, looking at the Mac votes...

I know I'm not a wolf.
McCaber was obviously not a wolf.
Greenie voted to save herself (granted, she could have picked Inzil, but voting to save yourself isn't really a baddie tell).
My queen's vote didn't matter after Greenie's.

So the votes in and of themselves don't really look all that suspicious. I still think there's more to the fact that neither Greenie nor Inzil garnered more votes than they did. As others have stated, Inzil-ordo is a possible McCaber-dream, so... going by that, I guess I'd say I'm most suspicious of Greenie at the moment - granted, it's hardly fair to expect Greenie to defend herself from this, considering it's not based on anything she's done. I do think I'll go back and look at her, though.

[Inziladun]

So the votes in and of themselves don't really look all that suspicious. I still think there's more to the fact that neither Greenie nor Inzil garnered more votes than they did. As others have stated, Inzil-ordo is a possible McCaber-dream, so... going by that, I guess I'd say I'm most suspicious of Greenie at the moment - granted, it's hardly fair to expect Greenie to defend herself from this, considering it's not based on anything she's done. I do think I'll go back and look at her, though.

I still consider though that Cab might have dreamed innocent Greenie based on this (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=694877&postcount=127).

It's not a strong statement about her innocence, granted, but I wonder if a Seer, knowing there was no Ranger to protect him at Night, would not have been very careful about his words regarding his opinions on people.

[Rikae]

Nerwen -
The "Jonathan" quote was apparently from a game where she was a wolf - would a wolf make such a risky joke? I think a Nerwolf would.
A wishy-washy post (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=694787&postcount=42) about Inzil-Mac-Mc. "Might be possible fellows" but "it seems like cub-tactics".
Immediately on Day 2, exclaims "What the heck is going on in this village?:confused:", and then explains (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=694833&postcount=85).
This looks very innocent: a little too innocent. It also is a good way of framing the discussion (if she's a wolf, she may be giving the real reason, and then immediately offering an alternative in order to keep Inzil as a possible suspect).
Analyzes (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=694834&postcount=86) Aganzir at length. In retrospect, lots of text but not much light shed on anything: same conclusions as her previous post and also mentions that Agan could have looked like the wildcard.
Calls Zil "really weird today".
Analyzes (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=694876&postcount=126)Legate. Concludes that Greenie is suspicious.
Doesn't (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=694879&postcount=129)really want to vote for Inzil. Mac and Greenie's reactions to the night kill were suspicious.
An Inzil-lynch was possible, and I could see why a wolf-Nerwen wouldn't want to be in the wagon. Funny, she's the one who started talk about a bluff, too.
Votes for Mac. Can't really conclude anything from that, it was truly pointless.
Day 3 - analyzes McCaber. Concludes Inzil is an ordo, and also possibly Greenie, Sally, Wilwa.

Sally -
"Who do I have to kill this time? :mad:"
Looks like any way you slice it, we have a wolf making a wolfy comment in her first post (if I'm right about Greenie and Inzil).
Lots and lots and lots of banter. That's Sally, though.
Day 1 vote for Inzil:
"This might sound silly, but I think he's being louder than he would be as an ordo. His behavior regarding the McPlayers is also a bit unsettling, as has been pointed out, but I am more caught by his volume at this point; I feel an ordo Dun would have been less involved in toDay's discussions (if you can call them discussions). Alas, that's the best hunch I have."
This seems reasonable enough.
"Regarding the possibility of Agan bluffing as seer" (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=694840&postcount=92)
Wait, what? Sally, were you saying Agan was pretending to be a seer who was pretending not to have dreamt of an Inzil-wolf?
Because if so, that's the most bizarre werewolf-theory I've ever heard, and I've heard some weird stuff.

Suspicious (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=694874&postcount=124) of Wilwa for mentioning she'd be back on Day 3, sees it as a possible hint to her pack. Kind of far-fetched. Wolf-on-wolf?
Argues that Inzil could be Wilwa's packmate because he's complaining about lack of participation? That's even more far-fetched. Votes him, though, for his "comments and shifting attitudes toDay".
I don't know how I feel about this. Obviously, I found him suspicious myself yesterDay, but this connection she's trying to make between him and Wilwa is really out there.


Shasta -
Weird comment (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=694852&postcount=104) about Greenie's comment about me. At first I thought he suspected her, but apparently he meant to cast suspicion on me. This "Nah, it's probably nothing. :Merisu:" business is a little creepy. I kind of have the feeling he's trying to use his reputation as an excuse to raise suspicions without committing himself.

There's something strange going on between Mac and Inzil, seemingly. If Agan was killed due to looking like the Seer (I can't find another reason for her to be killed so soon after causing Legate's death, anyway) then I tend to lean towards Mac. Plus he voted me yesterday, the cad!

++Macalaure

Uh... nope, I don't understand the reasoning behind this vote at all. Can you explain, Shasta?

Wilwa -
Day 1, absent.
Day 2 - says (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=694847&postcount=99) the Agan kill makes Inzil look innocent and she doesn't think a bluff is likely, but then says it could have been random and she won't decide Inzil's innocence based on it.
Semi-fishy.
Votes for Greenie by process of elimination (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=694860&postcount=112). There is no real explanation for anything in this post, as far as I can see.

So for these four, Nerwen and Shasta seem the most wolfish, but I really can't say Wilwa and Sally seem squeaky clean either. I can't be 100% sure about Greenie, but the chance she was a seer dream means I won't risk voting for her toDay. Inzil I'll assume is innocent.

[Nerwen]

Nerwen voted for Mac with a note that she was 'hoping for the best', and that her vote would not count anyway, ie, could not overcome the Mac-wagon. Very safe for a wolf.

To me, that leaves Shasta and Nerwen as the most suspicious based on the votes.

How so? I couldn't have overcome the bandwagon at that point, even had I been desperate to do so- there was simply no way for me to make my vote count. If I'd voted for anyone else, wouldn't you be saying, "Ah, a throwaway! Very safe for a wolf?"

[A Little Green]

It's outrageously late here so I'm heading to bed, I'll post (and think) properly in the morning. For now, a quick thought -

I assume that the wolves aren't keen on bussing each other toDay since they win if we lynch an innocent. If that is true, then we can also assume that Nerwen and Shasta aren't packmates, and that Rikae isn't packmates with either of them (unless they're planning to pull off an epic Legate-180 later on). I'm not sure how much this helps, but anyway.

Other than that - I'm a bit worried about how carefully non-committal Wilwa's post toDay is. It wouldn't have alarmed me in a normal situation, but on a Day when we lose if we lynch an innocent, the wolves would have good reason to be extra flexible in who they vote for. It looks like she's trying to keep all ends open and not voice an opinion before something definite happens, exactly what a wolf might want to do on a Day like this.

Finally, a question for Nerwen: why Shasta? You might have mentioned it somewhere, but if so I missed it.

[Inziladun]

How so? I couldn't have overcome the bandwagon at that point, even had I been desperate to do so- there was simply no way for me to make my vote count. If I'd voted for anyone else, wouldn't you be saying, "Ah, a throwaway! Very safe for a wolf?"

Hm. Fair enough.

I think Greenie has a point about Wilwa.

[wilwarin538]

Other than that - I'm a bit worried about how carefully non-committal Wilwa's post toDay is. It wouldn't have alarmed me in a normal situation, but on a Day when we lose if we lynch an innocent, the wolves would have good reason to be extra flexible in who they vote for. It looks like she's trying to keep all ends open and not voice an opinion before something definite happens, exactly what a wolf might want to do on a Day like this.


My post had that kind of tone because I intended for it to be the first of many contributions today, not my sole contribution, but once again my stupid real life has gotten in the way of my pretend life (I was offered a job interview tomorrow that I had to make very last minute travel plans for, my day has been insane).

The one good thing about RL stuff is I will be up very early now in the morning and can therefore wait to vote and be around for DL. Though we don't want to all make last minute votes either, the wolves will likely be making every attempt to vote as late as possible so they can have control over the outcome. My best suggestion is that we shouldn't spread the votes out too much, try to reach some consensus before voting so the 4 Ordos can maintain some semblance of control by trying their best to all vote the same way. I'm aware that it's not necessarily possible to accomplish this, but we should do our best.

Perhaps since we all have seemed to agree that Inzil is very likely innocent we let him vote first and then the other 3 Ordos agree to vote the same way no matter what? The wolves will then either jump on board or vote elsewhere. If we get an innocent than yes we lose, but if we hit a wolf we might actually have an idea of who else to look at tomorrow based on who didn't want to go along with the plan?

[Nerwen]

It's outrageously late here so I'm heading to bed, I'll post (and think) properly in the morning. For now, a quick thought -

I assume that the wolves aren't keen on bussing each other toDay since they win if we lynch an innocent.
True, but I would expect at least some token wolf-on-wolfing toDay- you know, just in case the lynch miscarried.

A thought: if indeed neither you nor Zil are wolves, then no wolf has been in real peril yet.

Finally, a question for Nerwen: why Shasta? You might have mentioned it somewhere, but if so I missed it.

It's basically just a joke based on the "psychic wolf" thing. In truth Shasta had done so little up to that point that I had no idea about him. Now he's suddenly surfaced on this crucial Day- which could point either way, really.

I don't have time for more now, but will look at people later.
Edit: x'd with Wilwa.

[Inziladun]

Perhaps since we all have seemed to agree that Inzil is very likely innocent we let him vote first and then the other 3 Ordos agree to vote the same way no matter what? The wolves will then either jump on board or vote elsewhere. If we get an innocent than yes we lose, but if we hit a wolf we might actually have an idea of who else to look at tomorrow based on who didn't want to go along with the plan?

In other words, no pressure. :rolleyes:

I could possibly vote at DL. I just wouldn't have had much chance to review posts.

At the moment, I'm waffling on who to vote for. I should be able to give things a close look before though.

[Inziladun]

At the moment, innocents outnumber wolves 4-3.

The only way to keep things going to the next Day is if I vote for a wolf and all innocents follow me.

As I said, I could probably get in here in time to make a last minute vote before DL, but I would not have time to do more then give a cursory glance to posts made while I was asleep.

I have it narrowed down to two I think are the likeliest wolves, but it would be nice to have some other input if anyone else is around.

[Galadriel55]

I'm the wolf! Pick me! Pick me! Pick m--arrghl.... *is pushed back into the world of the nonexistent*

[Inziladun]

I'm the wolf! Pick me! Pick me! Pick m--arrghl.... *is pushed back into the world of the nonexistent*

If it were only that easy. ;)

[Inziladun]

Ok, since it looks like everyone's lying low, I guess it's time to roll the dice.

++Sally

She voted for me two Days, both for what I consider dodgy reasons. The Day 2 vote was partly because of past games, by her admission.

This (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=694840&postcount=92) idea of hers that an AganSeer might on Day 1 have been buddying up to me having dreamt me as a wolf is a serious reach.

Best I can do. Here's hoping.

[Rikae]

Well, Inzil, if you're wrong, we're out of luck whatever I do. I hope you're right.

++Sally

[satansaloser2005]

This (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=694840&postcount=92) idea of hers that an AganSeer might on Day 1 have been buddying up to me having dreamt me as a wolf is a serious reach.

I come back after sleeping off a headache and find that this has somehow become a thing? I never thought she was buddying up to you. I said I could see the possibility. Those are two vastly different things. Presented with actual context as it should be, I think you'll find that what I said was....

Regarding the possibility of Agan bluffing as seer, I could see her buddying up to Dun for a Day had she dreamt him a wolf. After all, she's a hot candidate for Night kills (as we've just seen), so throwing him off her scent could buy her an extra dream or two so she could....I don't know, man, it's Agan. Frankly, my first suspicions would not have been that she was the seer; she defended Dun to the extreme, sure, but the manner in which she did it does not cry seer to me. I think she was going from what little evidence she had and wanted to keep Dun around because, as she said, she wanted to play with him.

My logic is bolded, and in my opinion was clear to begin with. You're the one reaching, love.

You say I voted you based partly on past games, which as a joke is true, but I find you suspicious for actual reasons, some of which you are illustrating now. Suddenly finding my votes for you incredibly suspicious when only hours ago (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=694927&postcount=144) you found Nerwen and Shasta the best wolf candidates based on voting trends? Why change your position to me? Could it be that one (or both, which....unlikely) of them is your packmate? You said (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=694850&postcount=102) you wouldn't repeat your (frankly stunning) performance from a previous game, so perhaps toDay's actions are that restraint coming into play. (I'll note also that you didn't seem nearly as amused by the linked post as I think you would have as an innocent.) Your jumpiness, your panic, is what makes you suspicious, both in the wake of Agan's death and toDay.

I'm still pretty tired, but I'll get back to things in a bit.


x'd with Rikae. Oh, glorious.

[satansaloser2005]

Let's hope that one or both of Dun and Rikae are evil, or we are hosed.

Who else is around presently?

[Nerwen]

I am.

[satansaloser2005]

Actually, I've just noticed that both Dun and Rikae say Nerwen and Shasta look fishiest.

So for these four, Nerwen and Shasta seem the most wolfish, but I really can't say Wilwa and Sally seem squeaky clean either. I can't be 100% sure about Greenie, but the chance she was a seer dream means I won't risk voting for her toDay. Inzil I'll assume is innocent.

Bolding mine, and I need clarification on why. I don't feel McCaber's commentary on Dun was terribly clearing; if anything, I'd more take his remarks on Greenie as a hint of a dream, but even that isn't very clear.

Both Dun and Rikae have made sudden switches in position toDay based on, from what I can see, very little. Sure, I'm being a little sensitive because I'm tired and said switches may cost me my life, but they could also cost us the game. Such a sudden change after specifying other targets and hardly mentioning their new lynch target screams opportunism to me. I'd say they wouldn't be so obvious about it, but I've seen both of them act in such a manner, so at this point I'd find little surprising.

Unfortunately I don't know which one to vote for at this point. I'd rather ignored Rikae until recently because....well, frankly, we were in agreement on Dun and I found him a more obvious threat (and still find his actions quite suspicious, unsurprisingly enough). There are three wolves, after all, and odds are that at least one of them is a wolf, possibly both if they're playing boldly (and those two do).

Nerwen (and anyone else around right now), we have to vote together or we will die. I'll go with the wisdom of others in choosing between Dun and Rikae, because her actions toDay have shot her far up the list, and Dun's never left that position. Also admittedly because I know my role for sure, and I don't know theirs, so either of them is automatically a better choice than me.

Please share thoughts. I'm doing some nightly tasks, but will return to vote before I retire (again) for the evening.

[satansaloser2005]

*crickets*

:(

[satansaloser2005]

++Dun

I guess I'm nothing if not consistent.

His jumpy attitude, his flipping and flopping, his sudden change in top suspects with little to no explanation. He's almost certainly evil, and I think it quite likely that he and Rikae are playing a very bold game. At this point I have to hope they're playing a bold game, because if either of them is innocent, the other wolves can just pile onto me and we'll have lost.

I'm sorry I can't wait around longer and make more of an effort to focus votes, but I have to go to bed, and I feel I have the right candidate. I hope I'm not dead when I wake up, because then we'll all be dead. :(

[Nerwen]

Had to go out; back again. I am taking a look at several people. You’re first.:Merisu:

EDIT:X’d with Sally

[satansaloser2005]

Had to go out; back again. I am taking a look at several people. You’re first.:Merisu:

EDIT:X’d with Sally

Please do, love. I'm not hiding anything.

Well, I'm hiding under the covers, but that's because it's bedtime. Sleep o'clock now. Help me kill a werewolf please. G'night. :)

[Shastanis Althreduin]

I'm here, sporadically. I'm at work. That said, some people have asked me things - I'll get to them as I can. This is just an "I'm here" post.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Rikae - That first comment by me was partially banter, partially me feeling odd about you but having nothing really backing it up, and partially wolf-bait.

Regarding my vote for Mac and the reasoning behind it; I was feeling worst about Inzil and Mac at the time, so I wanted to vote one of them - and since the only reason I could see for the wolves killing Agan was that they thought she was the Seer and had a good opinion of Inzil, I chose to vote Mac.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Inzil has one vote, Sally has two. I feel as though, were my shining star a wolf and Sally innocent, she'd have voted her already.

Anyone around - how likely is it that McCaber did in fact dream Inzil innocent?

[A Little Green]

I agree with Wilwa, we shouldn't spread out the votes. I still think Inzil was dreamed, so that leaves me with

++Sally

I haven't paid much attention to Sally this far other than her theory on Wilwa yesterDay which I thought looked a little off. Fingers crossed!


EDIT: x-ed with Shasta

[A Little Green]

Anyone around - how likely is it that McCaber did in fact dream Inzil innocent?Fairly likely, in my opinion. Here's what McCaber says about Inzil and me:
Speaking of, I don't really agree with the recent Inzil train. He looks more like an ordo to me, albeit a weirdly-acting one. And LG has done nothing to make me suspicious of her that I can see.Note also that the Ranger was already dead at this point, so it makes double sense for the Seer to leave hints as to who he dreamed. Inzil would be a logical choice for a Night 2 dream anyway, given how much suspicion he was under on Day 1. So yeah. If Inzil is, in fact, a wolf, I suggest we collectively lynch McCaber even though he's already dead.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

This is making me nervous. I suppose the wolves could still be playing it safe, but the fact is, they could win with a sweep today. And now Sally has three votes - two of them for no real reason than "oh we shouldn't split votes". I mean, the reason itself is sound, but...

[A Little Green]

Inzil has one vote, Sally has two. I feel as though, were my shining star a wolf and Sally innocent, she'd have voted her already. This is an interesting point. If Sally does turn out to be a wolf, I suggest a closer look at Nerwen toMorrow. Although now I think of it, you haven't voted yet either - but then, you're not sure Inzil was dreamed, which either makes you an independent thinker or a wolf trying to probe around for a possibility of lynching Inzil instead of Sally. So basically - if Sally is lynched and turns out to be a wolf, I'll have to raise an eyebrow. If Sally is lynched and turns out innocent, you'll look decent too, but the game will be over so that doesn't matter. And I'm willing to bet that if we lynch Inzil it's game over.

Also, just spotted this and it makes me laugh:
True, but I would expect at least some token wolf-on-wolfing toDay- you know, just in case the lynch miscarried.
It's basically just a joke based on the "psychic wolf" thing. In truth Shasta had done so little up to that point that I had no idea about him. Now he's suddenly surfaced on this crucial Day- which could point either way, really.Token wolf-on-wolfing, anyone?

[Nerwen]

Sally, Day One

Tally
Inzil —> Mac

#37.
Opening banter.

#38.
Responds to my banter (#3) re: Jonathan the Apple and to Zil's ”accusation” of Mac and Mc (#23): "I would love this, honestly, though who would be the third McWolf?” and to Rikae's apparently joking threat to vote her for non-appearance (#35): "Love you too, sweetheart.”
Comment: Not much in this– the only thing is that she was playing along with the “jokey” accusations after Zil had in fact voted Mac.

#40.
Originally Posted by Rikae
Speak of the devil!
No, darling, Phantom isn't in this game.

#41.
So I have this problem where I'm tired and it's getting late and I need to vote. Unfortunately there hasn't been much said, and everyone's favorite psychic wolf boy isn't here yet, so I've no idea which of you to suspect.

I suppose I could always pick on Agan....

#44.
Originally Posted by Nerwen
Sorry... must be channelling Lommy.
Lommy killed Kit before! Are you saying you're a werewolf? Is that a confession? Is it is it is it?

#45. Says it feels odd to be in a game without Nogrod.

Tally
Inzil —> Mac
Mac —> Shasta

#47. Vote-post.
All right, it's time for voting and then sleeping.

++Dun

This might sound silly, but I think he's being louder than he would be as an ordo. His behavior regarding the McPlayers is also a bit unsettling, as has been pointed out, but I am more caught by his volume at this point; I feel an ordo Dun would have been less involved in toDay's discussions (if you can call them discussions). Alas, that's the best hunch I have.

Comments: This vote seems to come out of the blue, as before this she gave no sign of seeing Zil's "behavior regarding the McPlayers” as anything other than banter. Bear in mind that this was an early Day One vote– rarely are they very sound. Other than that, does a lot of “playful” suspecting of other players, which can certainly be a wolf-mask. But once again, there actually wouldn’t have been too much material for an innocent Sally to build on at that stage. #41 *could* be a possible “hurry up!” signal to an absent Shastawolf, though I really only mention this because it follows her own later logic on Wilwa and Zil (#124).


Sally, Day Two

#92.
Agan, of all people? Really?

Regarding the possibility of Agan bluffing as seer, I could see her buddying up to Dun for a Day had she dreamt him a wolf. After all, she's a hot candidate for Night kills (as we've just seen), so throwing him off her scent could buy her an extra dream or two so she could....I don't know, man, it's Agan. Frankly, my first suspicions would not have been that she was the seer; she defended Dun to the extreme, sure, but the manner in which she did it does not cry seer to me. I think she was going from what little evidence she had and wanted to keep Dun around because, as she said, she wanted to play with him.
Other than that: is annoyed about the Ranger being lynched; asks if there is a Wildcard; says will not be around much until later.
Comments: Weird post. I believe she’s referring to my suggestion that killing Agan might have been a *wolfish* bluff– but she apparently thinks I meant a bluff on the part of Agan as Seer (had she in fact been one). I’m honestly not sure what her theory is, here (or rather what she thinks mine was): perhaps that the wolves thought Agan was a Seer who had dreamed Zilwolf and was trying to put him off his guard. For her part, she seems to think Aganwas a random kill-choice.

#95.
Thanks Kit for clarifying that there is, in fact, no Wildcard.

#101.
Originally Posted by Macalaure
And why is Inzil so eager to have me suspect him? I feel taunted.
Maybe he's playing a dangerous game and is the third McWolf?

Tally
Wilwa —> Greenie
Inzil —> Nerwen
Mac —> Greenie (2)
Shasta —> Mac
Rikae —> Inzil

#122.
Guuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuys, I'm really tired and I just want to sleep. It looks like we have four different people with votes. That can't be true, can it?

Doing a quick read through, voting, and then going to bed. Back soon.

#124 (http://www.forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=694874&postcount=124).
Very long post.

Mac is “not allowed to be lynched” because she likes his punning and also doesn’t find him particularly suspicious.

Suspects Wilwa for stating (#112) that she would probably be absent until Day Three, and would then be more active. This, to Sally, suggests a wolf leaving coded messages to her pack.
Perhaps just straws, but it's a distinct ping for me at this point. I believe Wilwa would be bold enough to make such a comment, being unable to communicate with her pack any other way at this point, and the specificity of her wording seems tricksy to me.

Find it “unsettling” that she has no feeling either way about me, and also that I haven’t been bantering with Shasta, "though perhaps that's due to his own lack of participation?” Will keep an eye on me.

Also finds Zil's complaint (#114) about about “lack of activity from some” suspicious:
Given Wilwa's quoted comment above (which comes not long before Dun's above post) I almost feel like this is some sort of sign of recognition, perhaps even disapproval, toward a semi-absent packmate. I know I'm connecting two "if then" dots, but between Dun's actions toDay and Wilwa's possibly pointed comment, I don't feel like the dots are too far apart.


Currently that makes my top options Wilwa and Dun. I feel Dun is the popular choice toDay, but I'll give it a quick think as I ready for bed and make my decision upon my return.
Comments: Well, Wilwa is indeed very problematic due to her lack of participation– but this seems like a pretty massive reach.

#125. Vote-post.
++Dun to be done

I find his comments and shifting attitudes toDay too bizarre to ignore. Besides, I'm extra paranoid about him from our last game.

I'm out for the night. Sleep well, my loves.
Comments: thing is, Zil *was* quite erratic and strange yesterDay. Yet, the actual vote does come across as rather opportunistic.


Sally, Day Three

Tally
Inzil —> Sally
Rikae —> Sally

#162 (http://www.forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=694947&postcount=162)
Objects to the reasoning in Zil'svote-post, saying her misrepresents her comments about Agan at #92.

My logic is bolded, and in my opinion was clear to begin with. You're the one reaching, love.

You say I voted you based partly on past games, which as a joke is true, but I find you suspicious for actual reasons, some of which you are illustrating now. Suddenly finding my votes for you incredibly suspicious when only hours ago you found Nerwen and Shasta the best wolf candidates based on voting trends? Why change your position to me? Could it be that one (or both, which....unlikely) of them is your packmate? You said you wouldn't repeat your (frankly stunning) performance from a previous game, so perhaps toDay's actions are that restraint coming into play. (I'll note also that you didn't seem nearly as amused by the linked post as I think you would have as an innocent.) Your jumpiness, your panic, is what makes you suspicious, both in the wake of Agan's death and toDay.
(This post x’d with Rikae's vote.)

Comments: Half-and-half on this. As noted, it does seem the gist of her post about Agan was that she *didn’t* think the wolves thought Agan was a Seer who had dreamed Zilwolf and then “buddied up” to him, but I can’t exactly say it’s “clear”. For the rest– I would agree that Zil's playing– yesterDay, at any rate– was jumpy enough to be possibly suspicious. The rest, though… I don’t know what she means about him being not amused enough, and in that final sentence she does actually seem to be treating Agan's death as a point against, rather than for, Zil's innocence, though apparently not for the reasons Zil thought.

#163.
Let's hope that one or both of Dun and Rikae are evil, or we are hosed.

Who else is around presently?

#165.
Notes that both Rikae and Zil have said Shasta and I look the most evil (Zil #144, Rikae #150). Queries Rikae's working assumption of Zil’s innocence, as she doesn’t think McCaber's remark on Zil was “terribly clearing”; believes Greenie was more likely dreamed, "but even that isn't very clear”.

Suspects both Zil and Rikae for their “sudden switches in position”, especially rapid changing of targets. Has seen them act this way when evil. Acknowledges she is being “a little sensitive” but says this is because their voting her “could also cost us the game”. Does not know which to vote for– had ignored Rikae before as she agreed about Zil, the “more obvious threat”. Thinks it likely at least one of the two is a wolf, possibly both, and points out that that are bold players.

Adresses me (“and anyone else around”), saying that we must vote together, “or we *will* die”. Will follow anyone else’s choice of Zil or Rikae, as "her actions toDay have shot her far up the list, and Dun's never left that position”.
comments: Well, she’s panicking, all right. Either a wolf or an innocent would be at this point.

#166.
*crickets*

:(

#167. Vote-post.
++Dun

I guess I'm nothing if not consistent.

His jumpy attitude, his flipping and flopping, his sudden change in top suspects with little to no explanation. He's almost certainly evil, and I think it quite likely that he and Rikae are playing a very bold game. At this point I have to hope they're playing a bold game, because if either of them is innocent, the other wolves can just pile onto me and we'll have lost.

I'm sorry I can't wait around longer and make more of an effort to focus votes, but I have to go to bed, and I feel I have the right candidate. I hope I'm not dead when I wake up, because then we'll all be dead.

#169.
Replying to my stated intent (#168) of looking at her first (and here I am!):
Please do, love. I'm not hiding anything.

Well, I'm hiding under the covers, but that's because it's bedtime. Sleep o'clock now. Help me kill a werewolf please. G'night.

Conclusion: As stated, whatever her role she would be pretty freaked out at this point. Her counter-accusations of the people who voted her look quite bad, as well as her eagerness to discount any inferences drawn from the Night-kills (though certainly she is right that we *shouldn’t* be taking such inferences as fact). On the other hand, a threatened wolf who hoped to survive toDay would probably have voted someone other than Zil, currently, I’d say, the least likely person to be lynched. But then so would an innocent. I do agree with her that both Zil and Rikae have been playing darn weirdly. On the whole, I’d say she looks more like a flailing wolf right now than a scared innocent, but I don’t like having to bet on it.

I’ve been called away so often while trying to do this that I’m not sure I’m going to have time for anyone else, but will do my best.

Rikae next.

EDIT:X’d since Shasta at #172.
EDIT2: Sentence left out.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Fairly likely, in my opinion. Here's what McCaber says about Inzil and me:
Note also that the Ranger was already dead at this point, so it makes double sense for the Seer to leave hints as to who he dreamed. Inzil would be a logical choice for a Night 2 dream anyway, given how much suspicion he was under on Day 1. So yeah. If Inzil is, in fact, a wolf, I suggest we collectively lynch McCaber even though he's already dead.

McCaber does use the words "looks like an ordo" - I would think that he would have to know how that would look to the rest of us should he be revealed as the Seer later. It seems to me as though had he just been expressing an opinion, he'd have used different wording.

I hate voting because the alternative looks more innocent, though. Dang.

Well, DL is in a few hours, and I'm certain to be on again.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Anyone around? I was hoping to talk with everyone else who hasn't voted, but I'm beginning to think it won't matter.

[Nerwen]

Rikae, Day One

#11.
Banter: is “definitely not a wolf, because I’m posting fifth”.

#14.
Replying to Zil #12, who pointed out she was fourth:
Why would I lie? ARE YOU ACCUSING ME OF LYING?

Inzil is a wolf 'cause he's looking for an easy lynch.

#16.
Explains her counting error: "Nah, I just counted Nerwen, Inzil, Cate Blanchett and McCaber.”

#17.
Will be “most displeased” if people don’t post.

#20.
Replying to Zil #18, who believes there is little to discuss yet,
We can discuss the most basic thing of all: how people are posting (if only they were posting).
It may not be rock-solid evidence, but in the end, it can work, and it's what usually tips the balance in a WW game anyway.
At this point, though, if nothing changes, I'm inclined to vote for the last person who posts, or for the person who says the least.

Or I could vote for Mac, who I know for a fact is aware of the game and had the opportunity to post.
Comment: This was followed by Mac's appearance, McCaber's “chiming in” comment and all that jazz.

#28.
Replying to Zil #23, Legate #24, asks, "How's Cab suspicious? Or is this still just banter?”

#29.
I can't see "wolf-on-wolf" on the level of Mac's comment about Cab being either risky or... well... much of anything.. I mean, it's a silly rhyme the kids say when they come to the dinner table.

Although Cab's response to Mac does worry me slightly.

Tally
Zil —> Mac

#35 (http://www.forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=694780&postcount=35).
Suspicion list. I am “somewhat antsy”; finds Zil “opportunistic" for "jumping-on-Cab-for-jumping-on-Mac” and wonder why he voted the latter rather than the former, his apparent main suspect. Doesn’t find McCaber as suspicious as Legate and Zil do. Legate “seems legit”. Will give Mac a free pass for “eight years of being nice”. Sally, Agan, Wilwa and Greenie are “absent, and therefore all evil”. Shasta, is therefore too useful to lose.
Unless evil... psychic wolves? Nope nope nope…” Remarks that threatening to vote people seems to work, says perhaps she will vote for Sally.

#39.
Commenting on Sally's appearance (and “Love you too” comment) at #38:
“Speak of the devil!”
(Sally replies, “No dear, phantom isn’t in this game”.)

Tally
Zil —> Mac
Mac —> Shasta
Sally —> Zil

#48. Vote-post.
Well, I really hate to vote early, but I also hate to get up early on Saturdays, so...

Best I've got at this point:
++Inziladun

Comments: Nothing really untoward here. Banter with Sally *might* be wolf-on-wolf, but then again might be just banter.


Rikae, Day Two

#91. Agrees with me (#85, #86) that the wolves likely thought Agan the Seer. Thought my alternative bluff-theory far-fetched, but comments that Zil is “weird and defensive” and is now “entertaining the possibility". Finds Greenie suspicious for her “trumped-up” case on Legate; believes her comment (#58) on Zil, especially the suggestion of his vote being a typo, may have been an attempt to whitewash a packmate. Admits she may be too fixated on the idea of an Inzilwolf and will need to look at others. Disagrees with McCaber's trust of quite people, as she has seen many quiet wolves. Want to hear more from Wilwa and Shasta. Mac’s “perky” attitude reminds her of his wolf-self.

#96.
Replying to Zil #93.
Originally Posted by Inziladun
Weird? Always. But if I was a wolf, this 'bluff' would obviously draw this exact scrutiny of me.
Really? Because it seems to me that it is far more likely to make you look innocent. Like I said, if not for your reaction, I would have moved you lower on my suspect list.

As a bluff, it doesn't really make that much sense. Why would the wolves feel the need to base their kill on protecting Inzil rather than hunting the seer? Sure, he came under fire, but day one suspicions are often short-lived. It would take a panicky wolf, a panicky pack, to do that, but that's just how Inzil is coming off - panicky.
Comment: This is true, but she really seems to want to have her cake and eat it here, doesn’t she?

#105.
Replying to Shasta at #104, in turn commenting on Greenie #50 (http://www.forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=694795&postcount=50)
"Come to think of it, she is kind of misrepresenting what I said there, since it was a double post and pretty obviously a continuation of the same thought.”

#110.
Reply to Greenie #106 (http://www.forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=694854&postcount=106), #107 (http://www.forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=694855&postcount=107).
Originally Posted by A Little Green
Incorrect. I said Inzil was being inconsistent (suspecting McCaber but voting for Mac), but that doesn't necessarily equal suspicious. If you have a suggestion as to what an evil Inzil would accomplish by that, please tell me.
A wolf might have wanted Cab lynched, but not to be in the wagon. He might have been wolf-on-wolfing. Could be lots of things. But what I wonder is: why would an innocent Greenie repeatedly bring up such inconsistencies without any intent to either cast, or to answer, suspicion?

As for my posts on Cab, I can't see how it would be unclear to any honest reader: I was surprised by Inzil & Legate's suspicion which seemed disproportionate, and then made a guess as to what they meant: something I had noticed but didn't consider particularly significant myself.

What would be the point of sneakily casting suspicion on someone who was, at that point, the most suspected anyway?
Comment: this second part ultimately refers to #50 (http://www.forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=694795&postcount=50), where Greenie suggests Rikae is “subtly trying to raise doubts about Cab” (i.e. with her Day One question about whether he was supicious). As for Rikae's reply: well, there was nothing like a certainly that McCaber would be lynched (in fact, he wasn’t), and a wolf often does like to nudge the lynch the “right” way. Actually I don’t see much in her questions on Day One, but the “why” now seems a bit disingenuous.


Tally
Wilwa —> Greenie
Zil —> Nerwen
Mac —> Greenie (2)
Shasta —> Mac

#121. Vote-post
I can't stay awake any longer, and I won't be up before DL, so I'll have to vote now.

For reasons previously given, plus the way he's been extra calm since I called him panicky. I know, that sounds terrible, but just look: I feel like he's tiptoeing around me, and I don't recall innocent!Inzil being one to tiptoe.

++Inziladun

Conclusion: I really don’t know. She is, as she says herself, rather fixated on Zil, much as Sally has been. Some of her interactions with him suggest the old “witch hunt” technique; yet, I do think he was genuinely jumpy. I don’t have time for a detailed look at Day 3 Rikae; however if she is a wolf she has either decided to bus her packmate Sally (good), or else climb on Zil’s vote on an innocent Sally (bad).

EDIT: X’d with Shasta.

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by A Little Green
Fairly likely, in my opinion. Here's what McCaber says about Inzil and me:
Note also that the Ranger was already dead at this point, so it makes double sense for the Seer to leave hints as to who he dreamed. Inzil would be a logical choice for a Night 2 dream anyway, given how much suspicion he was under on Day 1. So yeah. If Inzil is, in fact, a wolf, I suggest we collectively lynch McCaber even though he's already dead.
McCaber does use the words "looks like an ordo" - I would think that he would have to know how that would look to the rest of us should he be revealed as the Seer later. It seems to me as though had he just been expressing an opinion, he'd have used different wording.

I hate voting because the alternative looks more innocent, though. Dang.

Indeed– Seers have screwed up their hints before this, and, more importantly, an ordo-Zil could easily just be *wrong*.

[Nerwen]

So, the tally:

Zil —> Sally
Rikae —> Sally (2)
Sally —> Zil
Greenie —> Sally (3)

Left to vote: Me, Shasta, Wilwa.

Under this game’s tie-breaker rule, the only alternative to lynching Sally would be for all three of us to follow Sally’s vote on Zil. This seems unwise.

[Nerwen]

So, again hoping for the best:

++Sally

Either she’s a wolf, or we’re all dead.:(

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Indeed– Seers have screwed up their hints before this, and, more importantly, an ordo-Zil could easily just be *wrong*.

True, but at this point think it matters, considering the votes. Unless Wilwa appears and all three of her, you, and I vote for Inzil, Sally's getting lynched regardless. And I'm not even certain I want to vote Inzil! I'm just bothered by Rikae's vote and I'm not even sure why - no, wait, actually, I just thought of something. Inzil was the first person to vote; it wasn't necessarily mandatory that she jump on his vote at that point; I could easily be wrong here, but I don't recall Rikae being overly suspicious of Sally then. Given that Inzil could be wrong, even as a probably-dreamt ordo, why jump on his vote that quickly?

Not that it matters at this point, of course, considering the options.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

I crossed with my star's last two posts, so it doesn't really matter who I vote for now. I hope Sally is a wolf, but considering what I just thought about it wouldn't surprise me if she wasn't

++Rikae

[wilwarin538]

In other words, no pressure. :rolleyes:


Yeah, lots to put on you, I know. Hopefully you made a good choice!

++Sally

*crosses fingers*

Edit: x'ed with Inzil

[Nerwen]

True, but at this point think it matters, considering the votes. Unless Wilwa appears and all three of her, you, and I vote for Inzil, Sally's getting lynched regardless. And I'm not even certain I want to vote Inzil! I'm just bothered by Rikae's vote and I'm not even sure why - no, wait, actually, I just thought of something. Inzil was the first person to vote; it wasn't necessarily mandatory that she jump on his vote at that point; I could easily be wrong here, but I don't recall Rikae being overly suspicious of Sally then. Given that Inzil could be wrong, even as a probably-dreamt ordo, why jump on his vote that quickly?

Not that it matters at this point, of course, considering the options.
I am worried by Rikae's vote, yes. And also by Sally's, in that, as I said, it would have been a very risky one for a wolf who planned on surviving.

[Rikae]

True, but at this point think it matters, considering the votes. Unless Wilwa appears and all three of her, you, and I vote for Inzil, Sally's getting lynched regardless. And I'm not even certain I want to vote Inzil! I'm just bothered by Rikae's vote and I'm not even sure why - no, wait, actually, I just thought of something. Inzil was the first person to vote; it wasn't necessarily mandatory that she jump on his vote at that point; I could easily be wrong here, but I don't recall Rikae being overly suspicious of Sally then. Given that Inzil could be wrong, even as a probably-dreamt ordo, why jump on his vote that quickly?

Not that it matters at this point, of course, considering the options.

First time I'm awake for DL, how about that.

Because if seers mean anything at all, Inzil is innocent, and therefore a wrong vote from him would have doomed us already. Because if Inzil is right, we'll be in the same situation toMorrow, and I don't wish to create more confusion.
There is no innocent reason to wait around hoping for something better (as you apparently did).

[Shastanis Althreduin]

First time I'm awake for DL, how about that.

Because if seers mean anything at all, Inzil is innocent, and therefore a wrong vote from him would have doomed us already. Because if Inzil is right, we'll be in the same situation toMorrow, and I don't wish to create more confusion.
There is no innocent reason to wait around hoping for something better (as you apparently did).

Gotta wonder if Sally isn't a sacrificial wolf, now, and this is a setup for a win tomorrow. Last post from me tonight, but I wanted to get that put there before DL.

[Rikae]

Gotta wonder if Sally isn't a sacrificial wolf, now, and this is a setup for a win tomorrow. Last post from me tonight, but I wanted to get that put there before DL.

Look, if an innocent votes another innocent toMorrow we lose. If you aren't evil it would behoove you to consider that.

[Rikae]

Man, if we don't lose toDay we're going to lose toMorrow because Shasta doesn't understand the situation. :mad:

[Rikae]

Shasta, you better be evil, because otherwise this is ridiculous.

[Nerwen]

I am *hoping* that the fact that neither of you has started the victory dance is a good sign...

[Kitanna]

With the seer dead the village set to work deciphering any seer hints McCaber might have left.

"Sally," Inzil said.

"Sally," Rikae and Greenie joined it.

Hands went up throughout the remaining villagers, all for Sally. Save for two.

"Rikae, though I can see none will agree with me now," Shasta said. "If Sally isn't a wolf we're toast."

"Dun!" Sally proclaimed, because if it ain't broke, don't fix it.

With Sally's lynch all but decided the village broke into more bickering about which wolf threw their packmate under the bus. The sun began it's march toward the horizon as name calling and arguing intensified. As the sun's last rays disappeared in the sky Sally decided to take advantage of their end of day arguing.

She dashed into the street to catch the first light of the moonrise. "You'll never take me alive!" she screamed. "This village is full of soft, meaty bodies and I shall feast tonight!" She laughed maniacally, waiting for her change to take place. "Fools! I'll show you -" Sally's rhetoric was cut short as Inzil rushed forward and pushed her into the fast approach mail coach. It was hours later than usual and Sally never even saw it barreling up the road.

The mailman reined in his horses, looking at the broken Sally under his wheels. She had been half changed into her wolf form when she was crushed. "Oh dear, I seem to have hit someone's pet," the mailman said. "That'll teach me to make my rounds at nightfall!"

"Don't worry," Nerwen said. "It was a rabid beast we were trying to put down."

The Living
Inziladun
Rikae
Nerwen
wilwarin538
Shastanis Althreduin
A Little Green

The Dead
Kitanna – ripped apart Night 1 - Moddess
Legate of Amon Lanc - Brained on Day 1 - Ranger
Aganzir - Scalped on Night 2 - Ordo
Macalaure - Set on fire Day 2 - Ordo
McCaber - Choked on bits of Agan Night 3 - Seer
satansaloser2005 - Thrown under a carriage Day 3 - Wolf

Night 4 has begun

[Kitanna]

Inzil woke to the sound of footsteps outside his home. Armed with a club he carefully opened the door to look out. There was nothing but darkness. He closed and locked himself in once more.

Just as he settled down again, there was another noise.It sounded like gravel crunched under foot. He rose again with his club, ready to crack some skulls. He peeked out the window. Nothing.

He didn’t bother to go back to bed.He waited by the door, prepared to fling it open and beat the wolves to death next noise they made. The next noise around his house was a simple knock on the door. He flung it open, his club raised high, but there was no one outside.

There was, however, a jack o’ lantern on his front step. He brought his club down smashing the pumpkin over and over. Bits of orange flying every which way. So consumed was he with the need to destroy the pumpkin he never saw the ax fall.

~*~*~

The next morning the village found Inzil’s head on his front step. A candle has been lit and put into his mouth.

The Living
Rikae
Nerwen
wilwarin538
Shastanis Althreduin
A Little Green

The Dead
Kitanna – ripped apart Night 1 - Moddess
Legate of Amon Lanc - Brained on Day 1 - Ranger
Aganzir - Scalped on Night 2 - Ordo
Macalaure - Set on fire Day 2 - Ordo
McCaber - Choked on bits of Agan Night 3 - Seer
satansaloser2005 - Thrown under a carriage Day 3 - Wolf
Inziladun - Beheaded Night 4 - Ordo

Day 4 has begun

[Nerwen]

R.I.P. Zil– and well done!

[wilwarin538]

Was gone for a lot of the day for an out of town interview, was afraid I was going to miss a bunch. Guess not :eek:

Good job to Inzil yesterday, that was a lot of pressure to put on him but he made a good choice!

The votes in order yesterday were:

Inzil -> Sally
Rikae -> Sally
Sally -> Inzil
Greenie -> Sally
Nerwen -> Sally
Shasta -> Rikae
Wilwa -> Sally

So I would think the wolves would have wanted to wait at least a little bit to see if anyone else would vote for an innocent so that they could just jump on board. As soon as Sally voted for Inzil they would have just needed one ordo to go alone with that and the other 2 wolves could have jumped on. Rikae therefore looks really good here, I think a wolf would have waited until at least 2 or 3 people had voted before jumping on.

Wolves would have probably wanted to wait a bit longer, which I guess makes Nerwen and I perhaps the most suspicious, and then Greenie is just nicely in the middle, but by the time she voted it would have been quite unlikely for the wolves to get enough votes, so I say she looks quite good just based on that.

Shasta right now looks the most suspicious to me, if he was an ordo I would think he'd have a better understanding of how the innocents needed to vote together, so the fact that he voted differently is really concerning. Really to me it looks like either a villager who didn't seem to understand what we were trying to accomplish, or perhaps he figured Sally was going to get the votes anyway so he could throw his away for whatever reason. Also could be a wolf who didn't seem to foresee that this vote would make him look bad, and again just tossed away his vote. The whole thing is weird and kind of makes little sense either way.

[A Little Green]

*disembodied hand pokes villagers with a stick*
Did everyone die and not tell me?I thought of asking something similar! Anyhow, it's again rather late here so I can't be around for long, though I should be able to return before deadline.

I have now officially entered the paranoid phase of thinking that all of you are wolves. :rolleyes: At the moment, I'm most curious about Nerwen and Shasta. Shasta's reluctance to vote Sally looks a bit sketchy, but so does Nerwen's. In fact, I think hers looks worse; whereas he openly wondered about Inzil's innocence and the wisdom of lynching Sally (something I'm not sure a Shastawolf would do), Nerwen kind-of suspected Sally and agreed with the plan but only voted near deadline once the whole thing was already decided.

Wilwa's over-neutrality still worries me (has she actually suspected anyone this far?), though her suggestion that Inzil vote first and the rest of us follow would have been rather foolhardy for a wolf at this stage. As for Rikae - I've been a bit uneasy about her all game (I always am), but her frustration with Shasta at the end of yesterDay looked very genuine, and since it was frustration over something a wolf wouldn't be frustrated by, it makes me feel a bit better about her. If that makes sense.


EDIT: x-ed with Wilwa!! Yay!!

[A Little Green]

So I would think the wolves would have wanted to wait at least a little bit to see if anyone else would vote for an innocent so that they could just jump on board. As soon as Sally voted for Inzil they would have just needed one ordo to go alone with that and the other 2 wolves could have jumped on. Rikae therefore looks really good here, I think a wolf would have waited until at least 2 or 3 people had voted before jumping on.

Wolves would have probably wanted to wait a bit longer, which I guess makes Nerwen and I perhaps the most suspicious, and then Greenie is just nicely in the middle, but by the time she voted it would have been quite unlikely for the wolves to get enough votes, so I say she looks quite good just based on that.I agree that Rikae's is the best-looking vote - although I think she'd be capable of bussing a fellow in a situation like yesterDay's. I do think Nerwen's vote looks sketchy; yours doesn't really, since this whole "Inzil votes first" -thing was your idea in the first place. Although I think it's interesting that you mention that your own vote looks suspicious.

Shasta right now looks the most suspicious to me, if he was an ordo I would think he'd have a better understanding of how the innocents needed to vote together, so the fact that he voted differently is really concerning. Really to me it looks like either a villager who didn't seem to understand what we were trying to accomplish, or perhaps he figured Sally was going to get the votes anyway so he could throw his away for whatever reason. Also could be a wolf who didn't seem to foresee that this vote would make him look bad, and again just tossed away his vote. The whole thing is weird and kind of makes little sense either way.Again, agreed. His reluctance to vote for Sally does look bad, especially when coupled with his queries about how likely it was that Inzil was a dreamed ordo. It looked almost like he was probing the possibility of getting someone to follow Sally's Inzil-vote with him. Then again, it would be really risky to so openly swim against the current, especially after it was obvious that Sally was going to get killed. I'm not sure if Shastawolf would do that.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

I disagree entirely that Rikae's vote looks the best, but maybe I'm just paranoid. Sally was obviously a sacrifice, if you look back at yesterday's votes - there was never any real opposition to her lynch, considering the likelihood that Inzil was a dreamt ordo. In fact, I'm the only person that didn't vote her.

Even if we did manage to lynch a wolf, we were always going to be in the position of "if an innocent votes an innocent, we lose". Obviously, the wolves knew that. In light of that fact, sacrificing one wolf yesterday in order to look too good to lynch today really isn't that bad a play - especially since Inzil ended up voting a wolf. Once that happened, the other wolves had no reason not to hop on the bus and run Sally over - and in fact, had every reason to do such.

[wilwarin538]

I agree that Rikae's is the best-looking vote - although I think she'd be capable of bussing a fellow in a situation like yesterDay's.


That did actually occur to me, since a wolf would have seen the vote was for one of their fellows and realised that presumably the other 3 innocents would not be opposed to voting for Sally, there was no reason to really think that any innocents would be opposed to my idea. So yes, an evil Rikae could have assumed that all of the innocents would follow and she could then be the first to do so and look really good as a result. (but, the way Rikae was pretty passionate at the end of the Day yesterday looked like a very anxious innocent to me)


Although I think it's interesting that you mention that your own vote looks suspicious.

My post was basically outlining the suspiciousness of the votes based almost solely on the order they were given, I couldn't really get away with saying Nerwen's looks worst because it was close to the end without admitting that the same could be said of mine.

Then again, it would be really risky to so openly swim against the current, especially after it was obvious that Sally was going to get killed. I'm not sure if Shastawolf would do that.

I'm beginning to think the same, he must have realised that if he blatantly went against the group we would be suspecting him today, I don't think that a wolf Shasta would want to put himself in that kind of position. However, I also don't see why an innocent Shasta would do it either, knowing that if we waste a lynch on him today we lose, but perhaps he wasn't thinking that far ahead. Either way it's weird, I don't know which is more likely.

And this by Sally:

Nerwen (and anyone else around right now), we have to vote together or we will die. I'll go with the wisdom of others in choosing between Dun and Rikae, because her actions toDay have shot her far up the list, and Dun's never left that position. Also admittedly because I know my role for sure, and I don't know theirs, so either of them is automatically a better choice than me

Now, to me this looks like she could be suggesting to her mates (Nerwen possibly being one of them, though I don't know if she'd be that direct in addressing them), to vote between either Inzil or Rikae. I think this makes Rikae look really good, just the way Sally says either of them are a better choice than herself, etc.

x'ed with Shasta

[Shastanis Althreduin]

In fact, Wilwa, Greenie - why, exactly, does my reluctance to vote Sally yesterday look bad? As I recall, the reason for voting Sally yesterday was basically a blanket "well, Inzil voted her, and we don't want to vote Inzil because he's our only other option", not that Sally was in and of herself suspicious. Plus, as I already pointed out, the wolves yesterday would have been perfectly fine with voting off Sally, since they're in the same almost-win situation today that they were yesterday.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

but, the way Rikae was pretty passionate at the end of the Day yesterday looked like a very anxious innocent to me

What reason would an innocent Rikae have had to be anxious yesterDay? Sally was already being lynched.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Because if seers mean anything at all, Inzil is innocent, and therefore a wrong vote from him would have doomed us already. Because if Inzil is right, we'll be in the same situation toMorrow, and I don't wish to create more confusion.
There is no innocent reason to wait around hoping for something better (as you apparently did).

Inzil being innocent doesn't necessarily translate to Inzil being right. Yes, he did end up voting for a wolf, but there was no way to be 100% certain at the time. Again, there were virtually no actual arguments for lynching Sally yesterday - she was pretty much voted for because Inzil picked her.

I also don't think there was any "confusion" created by me not hopping on the bandwagon and voting Sally immediately. In fact, I was the only person besides Sally herself that didn't vote for her, so yesterday's verdict was pretty well locked in fairly early.

And I'll be honest - I'm not really certain where those lasts posts of yours came from, about me not knowing the situation? I was perfectly aware that we'd still be at lynch-or-lose even if Inzil was right - I'm not really sure how that was relevant.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

So I would think the wolves would have wanted to wait at least a little bit to see if anyone else would vote for an innocent so that they could just jump on board. As soon as Sally voted for Inzil they would have just needed one ordo to go alone with that and the other 2 wolves could have jumped on. Rikae therefore looks really good here, I think a wolf would have waited until at least 2 or 3 people had voted before jumping on.

I actually want to come back to this. In most cases, I'd buy this... but Sally voted Inzil who was voted Most Likely To Be Dreamt Innocent. I don't see anyone innocent voting for him over Sally yesterday - plus I've already talked about the ramifications of sacrificing a wolf yesterday, especially in light of Inzil being the first to vote.

Honestly, this whole post sort of looks like Wilwa is in a rush to exonerate Rikae and condemn me... and her reasoning sort of falls flat in both cases.

[wilwarin538]

Shasta, there was confusion created by you not voting Sally, because she turned out to be a wolf. The majority of us agreed to follow Inzil's vote, whatever it was, because all voting the same was better than voting all over the place. Your reluctance to follow this plan, pretty much our only logical option, is suspect. The confusion comes because now it is hard to tell whether you are a wolf who didn't want to vote their fellow, or an innocent who simply didn't understand the importance of the village sticking together. Even if your vote ended up not influencing anything, it still creates a confusing situation. When I suggested the plan I even stated that anyone who didn't follow it would look bad later.

And I'm not exonerating Rikae, I just think her behavior looks more innocent, she stated yesterday what I just did, that you voting differently would cause an issue today if Sally was guilty, maybe it was a wolf preemptively drawing suspicion to you, but it looked more like an innocent who was becoming aware of the issue we'd have to deal with today.

[Rikae]

I'm here momentarily, but I'm afraid I can't be much help toDay - Mac's birthday stuff. I would have liked to analyze everyone's interactions with Sally, but I'm not likely to get the chance.

However, I do want to try and clear this up:
Inzil being innocent doesn't necessarily translate to Inzil being right.
Of course it doesn't. But Inzil being innocent would mean that if he (or any other ordo) was wrong, the game would have been over. The wolves could have piled on and decided the lynch.

But I strongly suspect you were aware of that, which is why you waited around so long yourself. You even just mentioned it
we were always going to be in the position of "if an innocent votes an innocent, we lose" - so why are you feigning ignorance of that whenever you talk about my vote?

[wilwarin538]

I'm only going to be around for another hour or so, at that point I will have to vote. Still not sure for whom. Lots of pressure on whoever votes first, but I'm not going to be able to come back later. Going to look at Sally's posts quickly.

[wilwarin538]

So Sally expressed suspicion specifically at some point on both Rikae and I. I did not see her really ever mention much about Greenie, perhaps that was on purpose. But Nerwen and Shasta.....


Meanwhile, my Nerwen radar is saying....nothing, which is distinctly unsettling. In my experience, my Nerwen radar always gives off the exact opposite impression, which is to say that I suspect her when she's innocent (especially when she's gifted) and ignore her when she's evil. I'd forgotten she was playing until I came across one of her posts, and I'll also note that she's not done nearly as much saccharine banter with Shasta as I would expect (though perhaps that's due to his own lack of participation?). I don't feel comfortable voting her toDay based solely on this, but it's something I must keep an eye on.

This sort of feels like possible wolf-on-wolf. She even says she tends to ignore her when she's evil and that she forgot she was playing (and mentions Shasta in this thought) I think Greenie even pointed out a post by Nerwen yesterday that had a similar wolf-on-wolf feel towards Sally.


Suddenly finding my votes for you incredibly suspicious when only hours ago[/URL] you found Nerwen and Shasta the best wolf candidates based on voting trends? Why change your position to me? Could it be that one (or both, which....unlikely) of them is your packmate?


This one is a bit of a stretch, I'm admitting, but notice the part I bolder, just an interesting choice of wording, why is it unlikely they are both wolves? Perhaps because they are?

Actually, I've just noticed that both Dun and Rikae say Nerwen and Shasta look fishiest.


Once again putting their names together, along with suspecting Dun and Rikae.

So, three examples of Sally mentioning both Shasta and Nerwen together and not throwing any suspicion their way, while she did suspect Rikae and I. Based on Sally's posts, and also with the fact that Shasta did not vote for her and Nerwen voted for her much later, I'm leaning towards these two as her pack-mates.

[Nerwen]

So… just got in and, from a skim of the thread, I see there’s this meme building up that my vote, or the placement thereof, was very, very wicked.

Let me point out that my vote was actually the one that decided the lynch.

As for why I delayed voting: I wanted to see what would happen. If we all voted at once we’d either have lost (had Sally been innocent) or got *a* wolf but had nothing further to go on, since all wolves would have been able to hide in the general Sallywaggon. As it is, I believe Shasta may have given himself away- will take a closer look at him shortly.

Apart from that, it was also a pride-thing– I don’t like blindly following another’s vote and I wanted satisfy myself that there were, actually, legitimate grounds for suspecting Sally.

So, three examples of Sally mentioning both Shasta and Nerwen together and not throwing any suspicion their way, while she did suspect Rikae and I. Based on Sally's posts, and also with the fact that Shasta did not vote for her and Nerwen voted for her much later, I'm leaning towards these two as her pack-mates.
Come on, Wilwa, you know perfectly well that wolves like pairing up packmate + innocent when they talk about people. I mean, it’s elementary wolfing technique, but still effective in that it tends to create a link between the players in the public mind– something they *don’t* want to happen with two packmates.

[wilwarin538]

OK, well I'm just going to go for it. I have to sleep so badly and will not be up in time for DL, and I don't want to not vote.

I suggest to the other two innocents in the group to try and maybe wait a bit before voting. If my vote is for an innocent than the wolves will jump right on and win, but if they are guilty the wolves are either going to immediately come on and vote differently or will wait until closer to DL to vote, hoping someone votes differently from me. Basically, if you two innocents notice that no one else is voting immediately after me take that as I sign that I got lucky and vote the same as me. If I'm wrong, we lost and I'm very sorry!

++Shasta

Good luck guys. I hope we get another Day.

[Nerwen]

Well, I hope they’re not both innocent...

[Rikae]

I suggest to the other two innocents in the group to try and maybe wait a bit before voting.


The rest of us can vote now, though, right? :Merisu:

++Shasta

[Nerwen]

Great. So it’s Rikae and Greenie, then?

[Rikae]

I would hate for this to be the one game where I didn't do this:

I AM THE SEER!

Ok, that's better. :D

[Nerwen]

Fine. Won’t do any good now, but–

++Rikae

[wilwarin538]

The rest of us can vote now, though, right? :Merisu:


:(

Well....now just to find out who the other one is....if it's Greenie I'm going to be especially impressed with this wolf pack...

edit: and it is. Wow. And I almost voted Nerwen so I just was not meant to get this right *sigh*

[Nerwen]

Well....now just to find out who the other one is....if it's Greenie I'm going to be especially impressed with this wolf pack....

It’s not me, so it must be her.

Well, at least now I feel vindicated for suspecting her earlier in the game.

Also, I was just about to mention my concern about Sally's pairing of Zil + Rikae yesterDay… as you see, all too justified.

Ah well. Nicely played, wolves!

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Wilwa, do you really think I would have a problem bussing a pack mate? My vote wasn't even in until votes were LOCKED yesterday, so accusing me of sowing confusion by "splitting the vote"... Sigh.

I told you something was telling me to vote Rikae.

[A Little Green]

++ Shasta

Sorry, honey. :smokin:

[Aganzir]

Looks like it's game over then!

The morning was very quiet. Inzil's gruesome death had shocked the villagers, but not as much as finding out their dear friend and neighbour sally had in fact been plotting against them all along.

Finally wilwa spoke up: "It must be Shasta! Rikae would never had done it!"

Rikae nodded, smirking.

"I agree wholeheartedly," piped in Algae and flashed a toothy smile.

"You are missing the point!" cried Shasta, "can't you see it doesn't make sense!? It's Rikae!"

"You're so confusing, Shasta," said wilwa.

"Can we take this a bit slower?" asked Nerwen.

"No! It's got to be Shasta!" wilwa yelled and pointed a finger at him.

"Yes, we quite agree," said Rikae and Algae, grinning wickedly, and started advancing on poor Shasta who was still trying to explain why it was Rikae, not him.

"Uh-oh," said Nerwen.

The village could but stand and watch in horror as Rikae and Algae built a fire and skewered Shasta. While he was roasting, they turned their attention to Nerwen and wilwa.

"How about some cold appetizers?" asked Algae.

"Liver pâté, perhaps?" said Rikae.

"I'll fix us Bloody Marys," said Algae.

The Living
Rikae - Wolf
A Little Green - Wolf

The Dead
Kitanna – ripped apart Night 1 - Moddess
Legate of Amon Lanc - Brained on Day 1 - Ranger
Aganzir - Scalped on Night 2 - Ordo
Macalaure - Set on fire Day 2 - Ordo
McCaber - Choked on bits of Agan Night 3 - Seer
satansaloser2005 - Thrown under a carriage Day 3 - Wolf
Inziladun - Beheaded Night 4 - Ordo
Shastanis Althreduin - Skewered and roasted on Day 4 - Ordo
wilwarin538 - Cooked into liver pate on Day 4 - Ordo
Nerwen - Drunk as a cocktail on Day 4 - Ordo

[Inziladun]

Aahhh!! :eek:

Well, nicely managed by the wolves! I had a little suspicion of Rikae, but I was thinking pretty well of Greenie based on what Cab had said.

Bad luck all around for the village, with RangerLegate buying it Day 1, then Cab. At least we prevented a clean sweep, and I was instrumental in taking down a Sallywolf. :p

Thanks for the game, Kit! Sometimes the simple rules are a welcome change.

[Inziladun]

And not even a consolation prize (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BvUZijEuNDQ) for us hapless innocents. ;)

[McCaber]

My first dream was Shasta. I know he usually doesn't give me much to go on and I usually cannot get a read on him. That was why I mentioned being against voting a submarine towards the end of Day 1.

Night 2 I dreamt of sally. I spent that whole day waiting for her to slip on something so I could call her on it and make a point without being too obvious. Unfortunately it seems that the wolves picked up on that pretty quickly. I made a huge mistake in not calling out LG after a post of Nerwen's finally made me realize that I was being played. And I thought there was a bigger difference between "didn't see anything" and "have seen nothing". That one's on me.

Night 3 I dreamt of LG but wasn't able to do anything about it due to being dead. But knowing that sally and Greenie were both wolves, IDing Rikae as the last was pretty elementary.

[wilwarin538]

Ugh, well that was a major fail on my part :( Congrats to the wolves!


And after all of that McCaber didn't even dream of Inzil :rolleyes:

[Galadriel55]

Well done, wolves! And nice try village. With both gifteds out of the way so early, you really took the challenge well.

But the Shasta lynch? He was so obviously innocent! How could you listen to those wolves whispering some technicalities nonsense? I guess well done wolves again.

[Rikae]

Well done, wolfies! :D

Drinks all around! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JImcvtJzIK8)

Well, I was going to congratulate you, McCaber on successfully giving the village at least Inzil to trust - and now you come along and say you didn't? I was sure that you had! Everything I said about that was 100% honest (well, except for my reason for avoiding Greenie...). It really looked like you dreamt of him!

Also: we didn't know you dreamt of Sally. We killed you because of this:

Speaking of, I don't really agree with the recent Inzil train. He looks more like an ordo to me, albeit a weirdly-acting one. And LG has done nothing to make me suspicious of her that I can see.
Obviously overusing seeing metaphors is not always a smart thing for a Seer to do, but even without those I think it's interesting how he differentiates between Inzil and me; he's somewhat definite on Inzil looking like an ordo, and specifies in my case that I've done nothing suspicious that he can see. Inzil would have been a logical dream for last Night, anyway. Do you guys think this is a possibility, or am I completely off here?

And this:

I'm not sure I agree with lynching the silent ones Day 1. In my experience, the people with something to play for are the ones who tend to show up early, while the lurkers tend to be ordinary innocents.
Those looked like seer hints to us, at least more than anything anyone else did - so basically, we knew you were the seer, but for all the wrong reasons.

Anyway, Inzil certainly rose to the occasion on Day 3! I was so disappointed when I saw his vote: he'd mentioned Shasta and Nerwen before, so I thought we were set.

And, of course, SHASTA *shakes fist* you're basically a free seer and sensible wolves would always kill you on Night 1! :p

[McCaber]

Why Aganzir?

[Rikae]

Why Aganzir?

I should probably let Sally tell that story...

[A Little Green]

Ha! I guessed Cab had dreamed Shasta as an ordo, but obviously didn't want to parade that when the village was so happily considering me as a dreamed innocent! :D Anyway, thanks for a great game, everyone! (And sorry Legate.)

[Kitanna]

Thank you again, Agan, for calling time and putting together a narration that captured the spirit of this village.

And thank you to everyone who played. :D

Legate - I will not vote for you on Day 1 next game we play together, not after witnessing that unfortunate lynch this time.

Wolves - I honestly thought you would sweep through up until Zil voted Sally. Good job.

McCaber - your seering was superb. I was impressed when you got two wolves back to back only to be done in that night.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

I am sorry for missing the first day. It didn't occur to me that the game would start so (relatively) quickly! I was so excited to play again, and then I just acted the Cassandra. :(

[satansaloser2005]

Why Aganzir?I should probably let Sally tell that story...

Oh, do I have to? It's really rather embarrassing. :rolleyes: :p

I'll dig out those PMs and post them in the morning, along with my other merry thoughts. Good job and well played to all, especially my two partners, who were beyond fantastic. Until toMorrow. :)

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Thanks for the (however short on my part) game, Kitanna! I really pity I didn't have more time to play here, especially I would have wanted to see how I fare as a Ranger (haven't really done much of that throughout my WW career). But hey, somebody has to die on Day 1, and the whole thing came in terrible rush. (It was just ridiculous because I was so certain I was not going to be lynched, because of the two people left to vote, one didn't have originally any specific case against me, and one specifically listed me among people she does not want to get lynched :rolleyes: But we've cleared that up.)

But, brave fight from the village in the last Days, and likewise from the Wolves. And such sad bad luck from the Seer. Two Wolves known in the village would really have made the difference. A pity at least if the hints about the dreams hadn't been clearer, too, because the village could have saved itself some trouble... since despite the attempts to be careful with hints, the WWs had anyway picked up the trail based on the general remarks. Well, obviously also a Seer without the Ranger around is much less safe than normally, since at the moment you're revealed, you are dead.

It was good to follow the game for a while, anyway, and especially good to see lots of people returning. I hope this won't mean the end of it and that we can look forward to more. I certainly am.

[Aganzir]

Thank you for the game, Kitanna, and congrats wolves! Well played!

I'm so so sorry about lynching you, Legate. You remember the song Inzil posted on day 1? I thought it was a seer hint ("if you could see what I see...") and didn't want to risk lynching him. So I did what I'm best at and acted chaotically - I wanted to look like the seer who had dreamed Inzil innocent (funnily enough I really trusted him and Legate from the start, just as I equally distrusted sally and Algae from the start) and was quite obvious about it (newbie pass, I thought, because in these 7.5 years of sporadic WW, I've never been the seer) and didn't even consider what Algae pointed out later about me missing night 1; and I also wanted to give the impression I was the Wildcard although I didn't think there was one. All this worked well enough because I was killed - not always my goal but quite entertaining to do at times.

I really enjoyed playing and watching this so thanks everyone!

[Inziladun]

You remember the song Inzil posted on day 1? I thought it was a seer hint ("if you could see what I see...") and didn't want to risk lynching him. So I did what I'm best at and acted chaotically - I wanted to look like the seer who had dreamed Inzil innocent (funnily enough I really trusted him and Legate from the start, just as I equally distrusted sally and Algae from the start.

Yeah, I really never thought about that line in the song! I was punchy from being tired, and just felt like putting up a good tune. :cool:

My aim was to simply be confusing, and hopefully take attention away from the Gifteds and allow them to get on with business. Since I tend to be a rather clueless wolf-hunter, I thought that might be my best way to contribute. :rolleyes:

[Galadriel55]

So all the ordos pretend to be gifteds and the gifteds are the first to go. That's the spirit! :D

[satansaloser2005]

So in answer to that question, I offer the following.

When the game began, I looked at the player list and counted twelve people, at which point I assumed we had a wildcard. (I, um, counted Kitanna by mistake. Whoops. :rolleyes:) Throughout the course of the first Day, I threw out a couple of hints to said wildcard and once it was Night, I sent the following PM to my lycanthropic ladies.

I believe Agan is our best bet for the Night. Why? Because I think she might be saying, "Roger, wolf tower." And if not, I've still an inkling to remove her from play ASAP.

All right, the Rule of Three stipulates that Nerwen and I are very possibly wolves. Who wants to be next?
Meeee but I was late!

I have a question - do we have a Wildcard? No? Because 11 is almost 12 but not quite?

Yes, hello, I'm here, and Kit's dead again. Who do I have to kill this time?
Everyone, in order to win, right? Right?

I feel an innocent would be more concerned about using words such as 'ordo' because for all they know, he might be a gifted and they most certainly wouldn't want to draw the wolves' attention to that.

I will draw your memories to Kit's next to last game, in which I was a wolf and we turned our cursed, Agan, who helped us to a stunning victory (posthumous for me) after some spectacular hints leading up to her conversion. It was this, not the most recent game, that I was referring to in my first post, and I believe Agan may have picked up on that.

If Agan is the wildcard, I would expect her inclinations to lean toward choosing the darker path, and asking about the wildcard despite being the wildcard is the bold sort of trick she would pull. I would also expect some sort of hints (which I believe we're seeing above).

If Agan is the seer, I think the last post I quoted would give her enough reason to dream me if she hasn't already, which would be very bad for me and therefore sort of bad for us (though please do not put my personal survival above the good of the pack).

Either way, I feel she's our best choice, and I've not heard from either of you lovely lycanthropic ladies yet, so I'm sending this message to Kit as well just in case neither of you can make it back before deadline.

Mistress, please consider our kill choice to be Agan unless one of my fellows should tell you otherwise. Ladies, please do proceed how you see fit, and we shall sort out the body parts in the morning. :)

I realize shortly afterward that it was I, not she, who had miscounted the number of players in the game, and I felt immensely idiotic, but I maintain we made the right choice in getting rid of the sultry minx. ;)

So that's why Agan. Basically because I am bad at math and don't double check my work. *headdesks*

[Rikae]

All's well that ends well, though! And killing Agan seemed reasonable enough to me at the time.

[Nerwen]

I will draw your memories to Kit's next to last game, in which I was a wolf and we turned our cursed, Agan, who helped us to a stunning victory (posthumous for me) after some spectacular hints leading up to her conversion. It was this, not the most recent game, that I was referring to in my first post, and I believe Agan may have picked up on that.

If Agan is the wildcard, I would expect her inclinations to lean toward choosing the darker path, and asking about the wildcard despite being the wildcard is the bold sort of trick she would pull. I would also expect some sort of hints (which I believe we're seeing above).

Ah, so I was right about the wildcard thing! You’re referring to “Panic at the Prancing Pony”, right, Sally? I was thinking of that myself… really should have followed up that thought with, “well, so who else here was a Wraith with me that game?”:rolleyes: