Werewolf CX: Insert Title Here - the game thread

[Oddwen]

It was the turning of the year, and the leaves grew less and less green. There was more work to do than ever despite the shortening days.

Kath the farmer's mushroom crops were busy becoming bread baked by Shasta and beer brewed by Eomer. Kath was very excited about her new endeavor and even more elated when the harvest was eleventyfold what she was expecting. The members of the town who were not hobbits were still a little doubtful about how the aforementioned fungusy bread and beer would turn out, but time will tell. Eomer was not a hobbit and secretly sent orders to a nearby town to bring in wheat and other real drink making supplies. Shasta was nearing a perfected mushroom loaf recipe in his labakeratory and had been staying up late of late in his excitement.

A Little Green's incredibly green garden was fueling the autumn frenzy of hearty soups made by Nerwen, while her goats and cats ceased cavorting and began the serious business of fattening up for winter. Very few people suspected the mad plot Greenie was growing on her plot, but that would soon come to fruition. Nerwen souped on, creating a flurry of diced veggies and slicing through the steam of vats of boiling broths, still driven to try to recreate the ethereal soup in the dream she had in her youth.

Aganzir walked around covered in blood from the slaughter, but that was usual for her. She gave the resulting animal fats to Rikae for candles, despite the fact that Rikae had insisted for years that they only made candlesticks.Nobody ever had to make candles. They appeared where they were needed.It had always been, and would always be. So saith the prophecy.

Thinlomien was kept very busy keeping the houses of everyone, what with nobody having time to keep their own house. One day, she dreamed, she would have a house of her own to keep, instead of renting a tiny room.

Legate still didn't do much but drink, or think about drinking. He was surprised to find himself intensely drawn to the thought of a new drink made from....mushrooms. Inziladun was doing much less laying about than he liked, due to the fact that most of his favorite flat surfaces were in use. Mostly he would lie in the middle of the road viciously pretending not to hear people complaining about or at him, and he would dream of silence and surfaces covered in softness.

With all of the hustle and bustle and schmustle, it was no wonder that nobody really noticed the newcomer in town...

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Players:

Eomer of the Rohirrim - Tavern-keep
A Little Green - Mad Gardener and Cat/Goat Lady
Thinlomien- The Housewife
satanisaloser2005 - Town Bard
Legate of Amon Lanc -Town Drunk
Inziladun - Town Layabout
Kath - A Farmer, trying their hand at a new potentially lucrative crop: mushrooms!
Shasta - A Bakerof Bread (and only Bread)
Rikae - A Candlestick Maker (but not a maker of candles)
Nerwen - A Soup Artist who is Souper at their job
aganzir - The Butcher
Oddwen - A Visitor

Rules:

Deadlines are at approximately 10pm MT/12 Midnight ET/7am Finntime.

In this village there are:

3 Wolves (wolfs) who will try to outnumber the Villagers
8 Villagers (vlgorzz) who will try to eliminate the Wolves

In the case of a tie in votes, a coin will be flipped or a dice will be roll'd.

Votes must be ++highlighted or they will not count. Use the code (highlight)++YOUR VOTE(/highlight) but use brackets [] instead of those curly things ()


(continued...)

[Oddwen]

The stranger took some time to watch the visitors at their busywork, and only tripped on Inziladun four times. After a while she learned to not make eye contact with Greenie or her goats, unless she wanted to be assailed by strange noises and even stranger faces. Finally, on the advice of a friendly housewife she headed for The Warging Warg tavern to see about a room for the night.

"Oh, hello," she said as she nearly bumped into the friendly housewife she had just finished saying farewell to. "Didn't I just see you outside?"

"Oh probably," said Thinlomien. "I go outside sometimes." She waved at the stranger as she continued about her friendly housewivery business.

"Oh aye," replied the Tavern Keep. "That's Lommy. She wives all the houses in these parts. Don't ask me what that means exactly, I've no idea. I've room in the basement, very reasonable. You can't miss it, it's next to the mushrooms."

"Would somebody be able to wake me in the morning? If you cannot reach me by PM, you can send an email to oddwen (at) gmail (dot) com or message me on the Book of Faces."

Eomer nodded at the stranger's probable drunken and/or hallucinigenatory nonsense and showed her into the only mildly creepy basement. Legate stopped him as he was returning to his brewing.

"You keep...mushrooms down there?" Legate slurred.

"Aye," said Eomer, his eyes narrowing suspiciously. "So that I can't smell them." When Legate was drunk he could say some weird stuff. And he was always drunk.

Legate swayed contemplatively. "I always liked mushrooms. Really really liked mushrooms."

Eomer would have replied, but a strange squeak at the window made him turn around. satanisaloser2005 was standing outside again, face pressed to the glass and sighing sadly.

"You can come in you know lass," he said.

"I can't," sally replied sadly. "I'm barred from entering."

"No, you're a bard. A BARD," snapped Eomer. "And you increase sales, so get to work! And if anyone tries to pay with mushrooms again, you have my permission to write a really really nasty song about them and play it to their face."

Sally tuned her instrument and began a jaunty tune (http://tindeck.com/listen/rswni). Thinlomien tutted and wiped the nosemarks off the glass.........again.

Aganzir, Shasta and Rikae were at a table, listening to Shasta work himself up into a froth about the amazing bread that was nearly perfected. Aganzir was only really interested in the froth, but Rikae was interested in convincing him to keep more reasonable hours, since their houses were very near to each other.

"I don't have a problem with the experimenting," Rikae said. "But I do take issue with the late-night cackling."

"Oh, that's probably me," said Aganzir.

"And the late-night clanking!" continued Rikae.

"That one is me," said Shasta.

"And the infernal late-night howling!" cried Rikae.

"Now that you mention it," mused Shasta. "I have heard some odd noises of late, while late."

Nerwen joined in from a neighboring table, where she was nibbling on some solid food. "I've been hearing them for a while, but I thought it was just Greenie or her goats?"

"Hello!" cried Kath suddenly kicking in the door. She had to, as her arms were full of two giant mushrooms. "Look at these beauties! I bet they will fetch a good price at the market! Maybe as much as nine 'shrooms a pound!"

Suddenly, everyone remembered that they had to go home and get a good night's sleep.

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But the visitor didn't know anything of what was happening upstairs. All she knew was that she could rest, and in the morning she could take all of the mushrooms she could carry from the bushels upon bushels of fungus surrounding her. Slowly, she drifted off to sleep...

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Night has begun. Wolves may PM. Day begins in 24 hours.

[Oddwen]

It was a very somber, tightly packed village that wedged itself into the tavern's tiny basement that morning. The pile of mushrooms had shifted in the night. They would have suspected their visitor had left early, skipping out on the bill (and not taking her share of mushrooms) if they hadn't seen the puddle of blood oozing out from beneath the pile.

They would have chalked it up to bad luck, a misplaced unbalancing midnight snack, or a tiny earthquake if they hadn't dug up the body missing its head. Even the people who had to peer over shoulders or around legs from the back of the crowd could see that it had been chewed off at the neck.

They might have thought to go to a nearby constabulary for the authorities if tempers hadn't been so short from the hard work and late nights they had all been putting in of late. As it was, they glared at their nearest neighbors and shifted so that they were elbowing and kneeing as many people as possible.

"Kath, this is because your crop has gotten out of control!" growled Eomer.

"It's your tavern!" retorted Kath.

"Lommy was the last to see her alive!" crowed Shasta.

"Sally! Don't you sleep in the tavern? Did you hear anything?" bellowed Lommy.

"That looks to be about 2000 pounds of mushrooms," said Sally, "And I am ton deaf."

"Sneaky, very strong, murderous, eats heads," Inziladun ticked off the list on his fingers from his position lounging against the wall. "Who or what could have done it?"

"Poor gal," hiccuped Legate. "She didn't have mushroom in the end."

"Somebody or something was howling again last night!" shouted Rikae.

"I heard it too," cried Aganzir.

"Come to think of it, I was woken up a few times by howling," mused Nerwen.

"MUHHHH," said Greenie.

"No, it didn't sound anything like that," replied Rikae.

"Then it can only be...."

"WEREWOLVES!" they chorused.

"My cousin lived in a village that suffered from three or four of those I think," said Nerwen.

"How do you get rid of it?" demanded Lommy.

"By narrowing down people's innocence, of course!"

"And how is that done?" queried Kath.

"MUUHHRRRRRrder!" said Greenie.

"WAIT!" said Aganzir waving her arms for attention above the crescendoing hubbub, nearly clawing off somebody's face. "How do we know when we have gotten rid of them all?"

"Let's pick a number...like three. After we kill three of them we'll consider it done," said Sally decisively.

And with that being the only possible way the problem could be explained or solved, they began the task of arguing a lot.

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Dead:

Oddwen - A Visitor, beheaded and hidden under mushrooms.

Living:

Eomer of the Rohirrim - Tavern-keep
A Little Green - Mad Gardener and Cat/Goat Lady
Thinlomien- The Housewife
satanisaloser2005 - Town Bard
Legate of Amon Lanc -Town Drunk
Inziladun - Town Layabout
Kath - A Farmer, trying their hand at a new potentially lucrative crop: mushrooms!
Shasta - A Baker of Bread (and only Bread)
Rikae - A Candlestick Maker (but not a maker of candles)
Nerwen - A Soup Artist who is Souper at their job
aganzir - The Butcher

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Day 1 has dawned. Wolves stop PMing.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Oh dear, nasty business this. Bad for trade, I say, having tourists beheaded. Who is behind this? You know, I've always been wary of that Legate, and Inzil; do we really need a layabout and a drunk in this town? They've probably been biding their time, planning this day for years! The rest of us have no time for that murder stuff, with our busy mediaeval lives.

Speaking of which, do I still get paid for the room?

[Aganzir]

In any case, she got a tasty ending. Although - poor Oddwen - her head is missing, so... Maybe she didn't taste it after all.

So anyway, would anybody like a fresh pork dinner while we solve this crime? Entrecôte with Bearnaise sauce? Enchiladas? Ribs and mushrooms? :smokin:

[Aganzir]

Weirdly quiet. Yeah I know we're just 11 but still, the day is half gone.

Speaking of numbers...

3 wolves and 8 villagers. If we lynch two ordos, we're basically toast (would you like a slice of ham to go with that?) - 3-4 at the beginning of day 3. Looks rather bleak to me.

[Aganzir]

...Unless there's a secret role to help us. But that's not very likely is it?

Anyway I think sally, Inzil and Rikae are the wolves because they are the only ones whose occupation isn't even remotely related to food. And if it keeps being this quiet I will vote accordingly. (Heck, I might anyway. It's not exactly as if we have anything to go on.)

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Well, it seems like that loudmouth Aganzir is trying to boss the village around as usual! Wolvish behaviour if you ask me!

[Aganzir]

You know I kind of want to joke about being a wolf, or being wolves with you, but considering how important lynching a wolf is, and that there's no way (beside death) to confirm anybody's role... It just doesn't feel worth it!

So I'll be serious. Dead serious.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

I have some thoughts about how wolves might present themselves in a game like this, but I'm not gonna get into that before we can at least get a couple of jokey first posts! In any case, we have almost no tools to work with. Well, other than double-lynches or sacrifical lambs. You're the butcher though, Agan. What do you make of our situation?

[Aganzir]

You're the butcher though, Agan. What do you make of our situation?
Food. :smokin:

[Aganzir]

Okay I do have some more thoughts, but they can be summed up with "the odds are against us and we're all gonna die." Anyway I'm off to a party, will be back later to vote.

[Inziladun]

So anyway, would anybody like a fresh pork dinner while we solve this crime? Entrecôte with Bearnaise sauce? Enchiladas? Ribs and mushrooms? :smokin:

Since you asked, an enchilada would be good. Hold the guacamole, and add black beans and Mexican rice.

Okay I do have some more thoughts, but they can be summed up with "the odds are against us and we're all gonna die."

Well, the ratio right now is 7-3, obviously. A couple of bad lynches does make it a pretty doomed affair. No Gifteds is a serious handicap. So it's important that everyone show up and vote toDay. This is certainly a case where "I won't vote cos I don't see anyone as suspicious" will play to the baddies.

[Rikae]

3 wolves and 8 villagers. If we lynch two ordos, we're basically toast (would you like a slice of ham to go with that?) - 3-4 at the beginning of day 3. Looks rather bleak to me.

That's true, but at least our odds of hitting a wolf by pure luck are decent, and after getting one, we'll have something to go on.

I'm actually looking forward to a game based on reasoning and analysis instead of gifted strategy. It's going to be a challenge, but I like a challenge.

Anyway I think sally, Inzil and Rikae are the wolves because they are the only ones whose occupation isn't even remotely related to food.

Well, of course the one covered in blood couldn't possibly be responsible for gnawing off someone's head. That would just be too obvious, right? :p

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

a game based on reasoning and analysis

How's that for optimism? :p

Well, starting from the hypothesis that wolves, more than ordos, would be hyped for the game and unable to refrain from posting ASAP, I guess I've already got my three wolves in the bag.

[Thinlómien]

Well seeing as Aganzir has already channeled my inner pessimist, I'm trying to tone it down. But seriously the odds are not in our favour. (Hehehe I just realised that could be considered a pun. :p)

There may be a secret role or twist to help us but we shouldn't count on that. Rather, we should just keep our wits around and try or best and if we lose, pull the "the odds were against us from the start" card. ;) Or that's at least how I'm trying to do it. But I'm really hoping I don't need to go on my "I hate random votes on Day1" crusade in this game.

Okay... pessimism, pessimism, pessimism... what else is in my brain? Well: practical matters. The DL is 7am Finnish time, so I'll be voting ridiculously early every day, starting toDay.

Speaking of which, the current amount of data doesn't look very encouraging. Where is everyone?


edit: xed with Eomer, yay!

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Can't a fellow drink in peace?

Answer: apparently can't. Aside from agreeing about the very bleak state of this village's chances, there isn't that much to say. I simply hope we are lucky enough to get a Wolf on Day 1... then again, by pure maths, there is statistically also higher chance of hitting a Wolf... but I bet the WWs are going to do their worst to try to prevent it. So for future Days, looking at who voted how is gonna be crucial. Also, I therefore suggest making the votes as "orderly" as possible - meaning try to avoid spreading them out, so the WWs are actually forced to vote to save their lynchmates... that is, if their lynchmates are among the candidates in the first place. But yeah. I mean, gotta start at least from something, right.

Not that I (and I don't expect many of the Europeans, either) am going to be around for the DL (no chance, please). But anyway... that will be the stuff.

EDIT: x-ed with Lommy

[A Little Green]

Well, starting from the hypothesis that wolves, more than ordos, would be hyped for the game and unable to refrain from posting ASAP, I guess I've already got my three wolves in the bag. What, including yourself?

Legate, what are lynchmates?

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Legate, what are lynchmates?

:D Meaning: their packmates who are about to be lynched. (The second use of that term should probably have been "packmates" by then.) Basically what I meant: WWs will be forced to vote to save their packmates, if those packmates are in the danger of getting lynched, more so than in a bigger village, because they actually are also hard-pressed to win as soon as possible. That.

[A Little Green]

I'd prefer to vote within an hour - ridiculous, I know, but I blame the timezone. I'd be tempted to vote for a no-show, simply because a game like this is especially easy for quiet, non-committal wolves to sail through while loudmouths promptly kill each other. Unfortunately, voting for someone for "not being present" would hardly be fair if you vote seven hours before deadline..

EDIT: x-ed with Legate

[A Little Green]

Meaning: their packmates who are about to be lynched. (The second use of that term should probably have been "packmates" by then.) Basically what I meant: WWs will be forced to vote to save their packmates, if those packmates are in the danger of getting lynched, more so than in a bigger village, because they actually are also hard-pressed to win as soon as possible. That. I'm not sure I'm following you here. Of course the village is small, but on the other hand - the wolf-villager ratio is fairly good for them, and with no gifteds to mess things up for them, I'd say our wolves are a lot less in a hurry than the average pack.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

I'm not sure I'm following you here. Of course the village is small, but on the other hand - the wolf-villager ratio is fairly good for them, and with no gifteds to mess things up for them, I'd say our wolves are a lot less in a hurry than the average pack.

I know that, but I was trying to present the other side of the issue. Of course the easiest for the WWs is if we just keep blindly lynching innocents and they can just lay low. But the thing is, if they get under fire, they are actually in bigger danger than in a normal village, because there is no infinite crowd of random no-posters to hide in.

[Kath]

Well I must say I think it very rude when I arrive with perfectly lovely mushrooms and everyone runs off. Makes a farmer feel very low that does. Of course, not as low as that poor Oddwen feels. Or would feel, if she, well ...

Sadly, us farmers have to get up at the crack of dawn, and can't be fiddle faddling about with thinking and voting at that time, so mine will have to come right now.

I'd vote any of you lot right now for your 'shroom-ism. But in the interests of trying to make this as fair as a useless vote can be, I'm picking the first person who posted.

++EOMER

EDIT: Didn't refresh since I loaded this at 7pm my time so have x-posted with everyone since then! Whoops.

[A Little Green]

I know that, but I was trying to present the other side of the issue. Of course the easiest for the WWs is if we just keep blindly lynching innocents and they can just lay low. But the thing is, if they get under fire, they are actually in bigger danger than in a normal village, because there is no infinite crowd of random no-posters to hide in.Fair enough. Unless the wolves are the infinite crowd of no-posters :eek:


EDIT: x-ed with Kath

[A Little Green]

I'd vote any of you lot right now for your 'shroom-ism. But in the interests of trying to make this as fair as a useless vote can be, I'm picking the first person who posted.

++EOMERI know at this point we can't really expect stronger reasoning than this, but this still strikes me as the easiest vote you can possibly cast.

[Rikae]

Also, I therefore suggest making the votes as "orderly" as possible - meaning try to avoid spreading them out, so the WWs are actually forced to vote to save their lynchmates... that is, if their lynchmates are among the candidates in the first place.

In a village this small, trying not to spread out the votes very nearly translates to "lynch the first person who gets a vote", and of course, wolves can vote early with confidence that it isn't someone on their own side, and we can't.

All we have is talk, so we need to maximize the talk. The more debate, the better the trail.

EDIT: Whoa, X'd with Kath's vote onward.

[Thinlómien]

So, what have we got so far -

Eomer being chatty and pointing fingers in the usual manner.

Aganzir trying to steal my occupation as the village pessimist. Having a bit of a devil-may-care attitude too, which might point at her innocence. I don't know.

Inziladun got on my bad side by making me hungry. Mmm enchiladas with guacamole... Other than that, hard to say. Literally basic Inzil, which statistically probably equals wolf.

Rikae enjoys the challenge? Good - we should keep her around as a wünderbaum... erm I mean, to keep the air fresh and optimistic.

Legate sounds like a parody of himself, only with shorter posts. I wonder if he's doing it intentionally or not. :D

Greenie is basically just trying to have a chat with someone and questioning their wording. Also absolutely typical.

...yeah, surprising conclusion, nobody seems super suspicious so far!

I would like to see more posts before I vote, but I really have to go to sleep within an hour, preferably sooner than later. Seeing as nothing really stands out, I don't feel very good about just randomly voting someone basically just because they posted, but voting someone just because they didn't post yet seems like an equally stupid move. Argh. Like literally my best lead at the moment is to vote Inzil because he is always a wolf... *scratches head*


edit: xed with Kath and everyone after her

[A Little Green]

Bedtime, I'm afraid.

++Inzil

Because this is the closest to a suspicious thing I've seen this far:
Well, the ratio right now is 7-3, obviously. A couple of bad lynches does make it a pretty doomed affair. No Gifteds is a serious handicap. So it's important that everyone show up and vote toDay. This is certainly a case where "I won't vote cos I don't see anyone as suspicious" will play to the baddies. It almost looks as if he took a moment to reflect on how an innocent would feel in this situation, then listed all the points he came up with. It does seem pretty doomed, oh dear there are no gifteds that's such bad news for us, and let's all be nice good innocent villagers ok? It's not much, but it's the best I've got.

Good night.


EDIT: x-ed with Lomzy <3

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

I know at this point we can't really expect stronger reasoning than this, but this still strikes me as the easiest vote you can possibly cast.

Well, there isn't very much to cast anyway, for that matter. Speaking of that,

Fair enough. Unless the wolves are the infinite crowd of no-posters :eek:
I would like to vote for a "no-poster" (at least in order to threaten the Wolves to come into the spotlight and exactly not be the crowd of no-posters). Sadly however, given that I expect most of the non-European crowd to start posting only later, can't really do it now. Maybe if I wanted to post for someone out of those who have posted so far, Lommy was possibly the "least poster" (along with Kath, but to be honest I am surprised she voted at all, not usual for her Day 1s... hmm... so in fact... maybe she's a Wolf and therefore knows about the game, since she already has been informed during the Night that it starts?)... not that anyone has posted anything much of substance, but at least people have been engaged in discussion, however pointless that was. Not that it helps anything, because it depends on the nature of every person.

Whatever. I will see after a while what comes out of this, if there are more posts etc.

EDIT: x-ed with Rikae, Lommy (that negates what I just said about her) and Greenie

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Typically outrageous behaviour from Kath. Although, I suspect a wolf-Kath would probably just ignore the Day One vote and come in all late and innocent and apologetic. Whatever else, we should all vote today, however badly reasoned; so I at least approve of that.

The price of her ale just went up, mind.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

In a village this small, trying not to spread out the votes very nearly translates to "lynch the first person who gets a vote", and of course, wolves can vote early with confidence that it isn't someone on their own side, and we can't.
Yes, what I meant was something like that ideal state is having like two candidates, not more. (Although looking at the votes cast so far, I am not very happy about that. So maybe it will just naturally gravitate towards "let's see what the first Day brings us". But I hope future Days will have some field rather in the sense of having as few major choices as possible; well, they'd better, anyway.)

All we have is talk, so we need to maximize the talk. The more debate, the better the trail.
Certainly. That's why I really hope the non-Europeans will do their part. Sadly can't stay around for that.

...yeah, surprising conclusion, nobody seems super suspicious so far!

Ok, just a remark - this sounds to me kinda a bit too "nice". Like, obviously, in terms of content, it is true - but we all know that - you can't really judge very much based on the four and half posts we have here so far - but this sounds a bit like unnecessary addendum to say. Which could be in order to clean one's hands from any lynch that shall be made and just keeping out of fire ("but I didn't suspect anyone and my vote was purely random, you know what I said there").

EDIT: x-ed with Eomer

[Thinlómien]

I don't know why Legate keeps insisting we should stick to as few voting options as possible. I feel like that's giving the wolves a free pass à la "look puppies, here's the menu toDay, which one would you like?" Especially toDay we should just see where the lynch goes, because us Europeans don't really have much to go on while the later voting Americans hopefully have more reasonable reasons to vote someone.

Although, I suspect a wolf-Kath would probably just ignore the Day One vote and come in all late and innocent and apologetic. Whatever else, we should all vote today, however badly reasoned; so I at least approve of that.Now that you said this... Am I a terrible person because I feel like voting Nerwen just because I think she's not going to vote toDay and that's kind of more crucial in this game than normally?

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

I always think of Nerwen as being particularly bad for missing Day One votes, but maybe with this deadline she'll be in the best possible position to cast a critical eye over today's shenanigans at the deadline.

[Inziladun]

To Mordor: random power outages and trying to type on a mobile device. :rolleyes:

Hopefully I'll have the real computer back soon, because quoting people and stuff is bloody near impossible.

[Aganzir]

Back later than anticipated but hey, there were two bearded drag queens and I couldn't possibly miss their shows. Writing this in the bus.

I'm actually looking forward to a game based on reasoning and analysis instead of gifted strategy. It's going to be a challenge, but I like a challenge
I modded a no-gifted game with about 5 ordos more than here and the wolves swept a lynchless victory. Granted they were a very good pack, but my faith in reasoning and analysis is somewhat weaker than yours, especially as there's a crucial thing missing - time. So all in all I kind of agree with Legate(?) who said the wolves have more of a reason to be excited.

Feeling okay-ish of Team Finn (Legate, Greenie and Lomster).
Eomer seems outrageously suspicious and is therefore probably innocent.
Knowing the game has started is kind of a point against Kath. :p
Inzil is a question mark, could be persuaded to suspect him because of what somebody pointed out (effort to go through the rules from an innocent perspective) but won't yet.
Rikae feels a tiny bit iffy but not enough to act on it yet.

Oh hell I just missed my bus stop. Brb

[Inziladun]

I guess I can see Greenie's reasoning, at least for a Day 1. Seems a little dodgy though that she went that way after a comment about Kath making an easy vote.

[Thinlómien]

No can do, gotta vote and sleep:

++Legate

He's the only one who's really caught my attention this far (obviously :Merisu: ) in any way, both by sounding like he's a parody of himself - which, granted, could be just him sounding like himself, but could also mean he's trying too hard to sound like his normal self - and by making slightly weird points about focusing the votes.

Now I'm far from convinced he's a wolf but I don't really have any better leads at the moment. Good night and Night! Vote well.


edit: xed with Zil and Agan

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Okay, want to vote soon too, so just very quickly:

I always think of Nerwen as being particularly bad for missing Day One votes, but maybe with this deadline she'll be in the best possible position to cast a critical eye over today's shenanigans at the deadline.
Eomer is being so far absolutely awful as far as his posting is concerned, but I think that's maybe rather a sign of a classic Eomer and not Wolfishness ;)

I guess I can see Greenie's reasoning, at least for a Day 1. Seems a little dodgy though that she went that way after a comment about Kath making an easy vote.
This is dodgy by itself; as in, would be easy way to cast a suspicion (a bit in self-defense, too), then again, it is really an observation of how Greenie voted. Personally though I don't have anything against Greenie's vote as it is: it is really just fairly random, because at that point there wasn't really much to base it on.

As for general overview...

Lommy: now if she is evil, her vote against me is obviously retaliation. If she isn't, then, well she isn't (ok, need to go to sleep soon). I mentioned that some of the stuff looked fishy, but again, we are on Day 1 and there really isn't much to operate with.
Agan: looks more like being innocent than not. Like one of the few I would totally give a pass for toDay based on how they posted.
Greenie: Bah. At least she's been actively posting; so that's one reason why not to cast a vote for her; the posting hasn't been in any way suspicious and did seem in fact maybe even a bit more like innocent Greenie than not.
Rikae: Very little to go on. Reasonable, but one post, so come on. Can't really say much from that.
Eomer: what I just said. Probably won't vote him as that would be completely random (hmm, but if he remained being just random, he'd deserve that though...)
Inzil: what I also just said. There is maybe a bit of weird vibe, but again, what can one do with two and half posts.
Kath: Honestly, that's effectively just a vote. What I said (and Agan mentioned too) stands, however: I think she'd be more likely to show around if she happens to be a Wolf and thus some packmates alerted her about the game. But that's a) metareasoning and I don't trust that by default, b) Kath would probably anyway behave independantly of whether somebody told her or not and however things were. So it's a bit similar case to Greenie; just too random. Probably not my vote.
sally: expect her to appear later, leaving her out of my calculations for now
Shasta: ditto
Nerwen: well, what Lommy said... but I think I am just leaving her out of this for now.

That's it, I guess... will think for a bit and then vote.

[Aganzir]

Okay home and I really need to sleep.

I kind of want to vote for sally for old times' sake (and when is she ever innocent anyway? :p) but will refrain because a quarter of the votes have been cast on different people already.

++Inzil

Because I don't want to spread it too much, Legate is food-looking (that's a legit typo but I AM LEAVING IT THERE) and there's zero reason to vote for Eomer. Sorry Zil but at least you're not a gifted. :p

Exit Aganzir, pursued by a bear in a dress (I wish).

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Ok, voting and going too.

Looking at Zil's post as a sum, and given that he already has two votes, I don't actually have anything against trying to vote him. There is not much better reasoning against anybody else anyway. (What I just said in my previous post.)

++Inzil

Hmm. So good Night, villagers... or: good rest of the Day for you; I hope there will be everyone showing up and lot of posting and some enlightening discussion, too, and all.

Hope to see you toMorrow.

[Nerwen]

I don't know why Legate keeps insisting we should stick to as few voting options as possible. I feel like that's giving the wolves a free pass à la "look puppies, here's the menu toDay, which one would you like?" Especially toDay we should just see where the lynch goes, because us Europeans don't really have much to go on while the later voting Americans hopefully have more reasonable reasons to vote someone.

Now that you said this... Am I a terrible person because I feel like voting Nerwen just because I think she's not going to vote toDay and that's kind of more crucial in this game than normally?
You are a terrible person.:mad:

[Inziladun]

Just like old times. :rolleyes:

Well, I still don't have my computer, and can't really quote anyone. I do think there's obvious bandwaggoning going on, and Legate looks the worst. The last line he put, "hope to see you tomorrow" I can understand coming from an outed Seer, but that obviously is not the case, and it looks even more forced coming on a Day One.

[Rikae]

Interesting. To me, Legate's been giving off more "pretending to be helpful" and "making a show of thinking like an innocent" vibes than Inzil has. Perhaps that in itself should make me suspect Inzil, since I normally seem to think he looks wolfy as pie. Or something.

EDIT: X'd with Inzil.

[Nerwen]

Have some nice soup while I catch up, all of you.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Legate's style of play always suggests to me an air of trying too hard to look innocent. He's always making those long lists reviewing every player, even when nothing has happened. So that's not really indicative of anything; it's just how he plays.

These Inzil votes are curious, for sure.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Legate is also effectively putting himself in the limelight with that third vote for Zil. I'm not sure about the vote's merits, but at least it's consistent with his previous inclination to limit the lynch-candidates; plus, somewhat risky stuff for a wolf.

Zil's annoyed reaction is understandable, but I'm not convinced that Legate "looks the worst." Although it's amusing that Legate wanted only a couple of voting options today and the table is now set for it to be between him and Zil. Let's not get bogged down by just those two, though.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Not getting a suspicious feeling from the Finns. Rikae: can't tell yet. Legate/Inzil: eh.... not really.

Worst so far is probably Kath. To make a random vote, I just don't find it useful. Even if I was going to vote randomly, I would couch it in some other terms to at least allow the possibility of other villagers jumping on the reason and sparking discussion.

[satansaloser2005]

Sally sat motionless in her chair. You know, she thought grimly, glancing at the mushrooms strewn about the floor, that's probably not what Oddwen had in mind when she came down for a night cap.

As the others reacted to Oddwen's gruesome yet well-garnished body, Sally silently debated how to tell them about what she had discovered last night. Definitely not discovered, she corrected herself. If I say that, they'll think I know something about this.

Which she did, in a way. She was probably the last one to see their visitor alive. Minding her own business, she had been, sneaking an ale to quench her thirst before heading home for the night, when in walked Oddwen. Perhaps it was the song Sally had been singing to herself at the time (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ), but a look of rage had appeared on Oddwen's face and she had shrieked something in a language Sally couldn't understand. Sally had tried to ask her what was wrong, but instead recited a nasty limerick (a part of the story she would certainly leave out upon retelling). She had run out of the tavern in shock, and spent most of the night tossing and turning and hopelessly singing lullabies to herself in an attempt to get some rest.

Sally sighed. The real question is whether any of them would take her matter seriously, especially with this werewolf business going on. After all, a woman had just died! How selfish for her to think of her own trivial problem when there had been a murder. Then again, if she tried to conceal it from the rest of the group, they'd be likely to think she was hiding something more sinister.

So far this morning, her will had been strong enough to mumble short sentences, but as she cleared her throat and asked for everyone's attention, she could feel something taking over her, and she simply hoped they would understand the gravity of her situation, rather than thinking her attempts were to lighten the proceedings.

Sally stood up in front of the group and, though she tried her best to speak to them normally, she began to sing (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6QEDb3xzdec).

Lazy, so lazy I'm not even rhyming
But listen, listen and see that's not true
Because this curse was placed on me by Oddwen
Now I'm resigned to sing all my thoughts in a tune

And now some of our number are werewolves?
We know how these next Days will play through
Oddwen is gone now and lying among shrooms
The wolves will be lying and we'll all be dying
So now what are we going to do?

Oddwen is gone now and lying among shrooms
The wolves will be lying and we'll all be dying
So now what are we going to do?


****By request of (and with apologies to) the moddess****

[Inziladun]

You are a terrible person.:mad:

Well, prove her wrong and vote! ;)

I need to vote now. I have three votes. As I don't really want to die just yet, I think I'll go ahead and give Legate his second. It's his latching onto the wagon, followed by that "throwaway" remark about hoping to be around the next Day. That still feels forced and not something an innocent would say at this time.

++Legate

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

++Kath

[satansaloser2005]

*hums along with the crickets*

[Oddwen]

The votes were cast, they were counted carefully - and they had decided to end the life of their town layabout, Inziladun.

"You never pull your own weight around here anyway!" they shouted.

"But...that's all that I pull," he said. "Well, that and the pile of mushrooms down on the leftovers of that tasty......oops."

To their horror, he covered his gaffe by covering himself in fur. And teeth. And claws. The latter items were only in the appropriate places, however.

"Too easy!" he growled. "And now no-one can stop me! Hahahahaha!" Unfortunately for him, no-one did - they all did. The fight was fearsome, and the furry flurry only ended when they beat him to death with whatever was laying handiest - you guessed it, mushrooms.

"And he was such a fun guy," they lamented.


------------------------

Dead:

Oddwen - A Visitor, beheaded and hidden under mushrooms.
Inziladun - Town Layabout, Werewolf

Living:

Eomer of the Rohirrim - Tavern-keep
A Little Green - Mad Gardener and Cat/Goat Lady
Thinlomien- The Housewife
satanisaloser2005 - Town Bard
Legate of Amon Lanc -Town Drunk
Kath - A Farmer, trying their hand at a new potentially lucrative crop: mushrooms!
Shasta - A Baker of Bread (and only Bread)
Rikae - A Candlestick Maker (but not a maker of candles)
Nerwen - A Soup Artist who is Souper at their job
aganzir - The Butcher



It is now Night. Wolves may PM.

[Oddwen]

It seemed slightly brighter that morning, probably because they all slept later than the previous day. Who knew killing monsters was so relaxing? Although Aganzir had clearly been up earlier than them all, leaving her customary wrapped parcels of meat at each doorstep........oh dear.

This had probably not been Aganzir's doing after all. It is difficult to chop yourself into pieces and then wrap them neatly, after all. And she had always been careful to save the blood, but this job...ew. What a mess. Everywhere.

As they buried their butcher piecemeal, Sally mournfully played a song:

She'll stay forever this way
She is here in this grave and
this blood will go on and on...


------------------


Dead:

Oddwen - A Visitor, beheaded and hidden under mushrooms.
Inziladun - Town Layabout, fenris'd on Day one, Werewolf
aganzir - The Butcher, dismembered on Night two, Villager
Living:

Eomer of the Rohirrim - Tavern-keep
A Little Green - Mad Gardener and Cat/Goat Lady
Thinlomien- The Housewife
satanisaloser2005 - Town Bard
Legate of Amon Lanc -Town Drunk
Kath - A Farmer, trying their hand at a new potentially lucrative crop: mushrooms!
Shasta - A Baker of Bread (and only Bread)
Rikae - A Candlestick Maker (but not a maker of candles)
Nerwen - A Soup Artist who is Souper at their job

It is now Day 2. Wolves stop PMing.

[Nerwen]

First things first– sorry for disappearing yesterDay. However, it seems that the village managed to do quite well without my help… :cool:

And once again the Rule of Three proves itself, Inzilawolf being the third person to post.

Meanwhile the first two (Aganzordo and Eomer of the Unknown) both made joking accusations of Zil. Very curious.

[Thinlómien]

Writing shortly on my phone -

1) this will be a difficult day for me bc I'll
only come home late and have to go to sleep at some semi sensible hour but I'll do my best to be around

2) this is the first post today ???

3) Agan? So the time we don't argue she dies early? Unfair. :p I can't think of much except that she voted Inzil if I recall correctly.

4) speaking of Inzil, good riddance. I am really happy you late-night crowd followed my suggestion to vote well. :Merisu: Anyhow, good, I think my inner pessimist is vanquished for a time: we should have more time and more leads now (I'll get back to that later when I can actually type).

Edit: xed

[Nerwen]

As for why Aganzir was killed– well, in a game with no gifteds it’s likely enough to have been semi-random. However, in her third post she mentions the possibility of there being a “secret rôle”– could that have attracted wolfish attention? Though of course if she’d really had such a rôle, you’d think she’d be a bit more circumspect about it.

EDIT:x’d with Lommy.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

As for why Aganzir was killed– well, in a game with no gifteds it’s likely enough to have been semi-random. However, in her third post she mentions the possibility of there being a “secret rôle”– could that have attracted wolfish attention? Though of course if she’d really had such a rôle, you’d think she’d be a bit more circumspect about it.

That might have been part of it; personally, I would also imagine the Wolves might have simply thought she looks innocent enough in this game. Because I think that's what several people agreed on. Or what other possibilities might there be? Did she accuse anyone dramatically? We don't have a Seer, so it shouldn't bother the WWs that much if somebody accuses them, but then again the village is small, so targeting people who accuse them would eliminate those who might be inclined to lynch them. Also, given that the village is small, I think those who voted for Zil are less likely to be his packmates.

For that matter. I am still somewhat concerned about Lommy - she could have also killed Agan because Agan looked innocent this game and she would think it was not such a good idea to keep her around as a generally considered innocent Agan would be no good for the WWs. What speaks in her favor was that her vote, which could easily have been against Eomer in order to better protect Zil, was instead for me, thus spreading it. But then, she could count on Zil voting to save himself; and also, voting Eomer for no good reason would only have drawn suspicion.

Speaking of that, Eomer himself also seems sorta fishy to me. His vote yesterDay especially looked like a kind of sidestep. Imagine: if he and Inzil are packmates, then what he could have done at that point was either vote to save Zil, or cast a vote for someone else, which is what he did. But on second thought, there wouldn't be that much for him to lose if he actually had voted to save Zil. I mean, we wouldn't know he was a Wolf. Of course, unless somebody still voted and swung the vote. For which, in fact, looking at the timestamps, there was basically two hours time. Fair enough. Keeping an eye on Eomer, in any case.

Hm, also just realised that if Eomer and Lommy both were Wolves, then of course Lommy would not like to vote for Eomer, simply because then it would have come between two Wolves... now that would be fun if it was that way.

But anyway... that's it from me for now, I guess. Hope to see more people posting, and to get something out of toDay, preferrably another Wolf.

[A Little Green]

One wolf in the bag, two to go! :smokin: I had a look at yesterDay's voting. Known wolf underlined, known ordo italicised.

Kath → Eomer
I'd vote any of you lot right now for your 'shroom-ism. But in the interests of trying to make this as fair as a useless vote can be, I'm picking the first person who posted.As I said earlier, this was about the safest vote she could have cast. Admittedly (and in answer to Legate's query about why I commented on that from Kath and then proceeded to vote Inzil), early in Day 1 a flimsy reason for a vote might just as well signify lazy ordo as safe-playing wolf.

Greenie → Inzil
Because this is the closest to a suspicious thing I've seen this far:
Well, the ratio right now is 7-3, obviously. A couple of bad lynches does make it a pretty doomed affair. No Gifteds is a serious handicap. So it's important that everyone show up and vote toDay. This is certainly a case where "I won't vote cos I don't see anyone as suspicious" will play to the baddies.It almost looks as if he took a moment to reflect on how an innocent would feel in this situation, then listed all the points he came up with. It does seem pretty doomed, oh dear there are no gifteds that's such bad news for us, and let's all be nice good innocent villagers ok? It's not much, but it's the best I've got.

Lommy → Legate
He's the only one who's really caught my attention this far (obviously :Merisu: ) in any way, both by sounding like he's a parody of himself - which, granted, could be just him sounding like himself, but could also mean he's trying too hard to sound like his normal self - and by making slightly weird points about focusing the votes.

Now I'm far from convinced he's a wolf but I don't really have any better leads at the moment. Good night and Night! Vote well.Classic flippety-flop here, but I do see where she's coming from. Could go either way, really - innocent Lommy doing her best with very little to go on, or an evil Lommy trying to divert attention from packmate-Inzil while repeatedly emphasising that she isn't sure at all about Legate's guilt, thereby washing her hands of responsibility should he end up lynched and revealed innocent.

Agan → Inzil (2)
(No need to quote her reasoning for the vote, as she was innocent and he was a wolf - incidentally, why is it that the one time we're not at each other's throats, she dies on Night 2? :()

Legate → Inzil (3)
Looking at Zil's post as a sum, and given that he already has two votes, I don't actually have anything against trying to vote him. There is not much better reasoning against anybody else anyway. (What I just said in my previous post.)
Inzil: what I also just said. [very little to go on, sounds reasonable but can't tell from one post] There is maybe a bit of weird vibe, but again, what can one do with two and half posts.Followed by

Inzil → Legate (2)
I need to vote now. I have three votes. As I don't really want to die just yet, I think I'll go ahead and give Legate his second. It's his latching onto the wagon, followed by that "throwaway" remark about hoping to be around the next Day. That still feels forced and not something an innocent would say at this time.This exchange is, to me, the most interesting of the Day. Wolf-on-wolf, or wolf-on-ordo (is that even a word?)? The thing is, Legate doesn't really give an argument against Inzil beyond "maybe a bit of a weird vibe" and "there is not much better reasoning against anybody else anyway". I'm not sure if he's the type to bus a fellow; but if he was, that would be a very clever move. Note that Legate is the third to vote Inzil, and the other candidates at that point were Eomer (who was voted randomly rather than based on an actual suspicion) and himself. A wolfy Legate may have judged that it was likely either he or Inzil was going to get lynched, and voted for the latter to clear himself. Likewise, an Inzilwolf may then have decided to play along and vote for Legate, in hopes that whichever of them survived the vote would come away looking pretty innocent.

Eomer → Kath
Worst so far is probably Kath. To make a random vote, I just don't find it useful. Even if I was going to vote randomly, I would couch it in some other terms to at least allow the possibility of other villagers jumping on the reason and sparking discussion. Retaliation? Principle? Handily keeping away from the Inzil-Legate-duo? Choreographed wolf-on-wolf? Safe vote for someone very unlikely to get lynched? I want to see more from him before deciding. Also, there were two pairs who voted each other, Legate and Inzilawolf, and Eomer and Kath. Not sure if it means anything, but it caught my eye.

Another thing that caught my eye about the voting was that, in a village of 11, three (Nerwen, Sally, and Shasta) did not vote. This is really quite a catastrophic percentage. Nerwen isn't a surprise. Sally posts a long IC post that must have taken some time to compose so she was certainly around, but did not vote. Why, Sallykins? As for Shasta, are we sure he's aware the game has started?


EDIT: x-ed with dear Legzy <3

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

So we can only discuss about half the village as far as yesterday's votes go.

[A Little Green]

That might have been part of it; personally, I would also imagine the Wolves might have simply thought she looks innocent enough in this game. Because I think that's what several people agreed on.I agree. I don't think anyone suspected her, which is rather rare in itself. Also, she gave Inzil his second vote which was bound to make her an unlikely lynch the following Day.

For that matter. I am still somewhat concerned about Lommy - she could have also killed Agan because Agan looked innocent this game and she would think it was not such a good idea to keep her around as a generally considered innocent Agan would be no good for the WWs.I'm not following your argument here. How does "a generally considered innocent Agan" being no good for the WWs incriminate Lommy in particular?

Speaking of that, Eomer himself also seems sorta fishy to me. His vote yesterDay especially looked like a kind of sidestep. Imagine: if he and Inzil are packmates, then what he could have done at that point was either vote to save Zil, or cast a vote for someone else, which is what he did. But on second thought, there wouldn't be that much for him to lose if he actually had voted to save Zil. I mean, we wouldn't know he was a Wolf. Of course, unless somebody still voted and swung the vote. For which, in fact, looking at the timestamps, there was basically two hours time. Fair enough. Keeping an eye on Eomer, in any case.Thing is, Eomer couldn't have saved Zil. At that point, Zil had three votes and Legate had two, so the most Eomerwolf could have achieved by way of rescuing Zil would have been a draw which, barring later votes, would have resulted in a coin flip. So if Eomer is a wolf, voting for someone completely unrelated to the whole Inzil issue was pretty much the smartest thing he could do.


EDIT: x-ed with Eomer

[A Little Green]

So we can only discuss about half the village as far as yesterday's votes go. Sad but true - out of the nine people we have left, three (One third of the village! Seriously!) did not vote, and one voted more or less randomly.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Sally posts a long IC post that must have taken some time to compose so she was certainly around, but did not vote. Why, Sallykins? As for Shasta, are we sure he's aware the game has started?
Seconded the question about Sally. Shasta I believe mentioned on the other thread that he was off somewhere, but that means he should be around now.

I'm not following your argument here. How does "a generally considered innocent Agan" being no good for the WWs incriminate Lommy in particular?
Doesn't. It was meant to be two separate statements, should have phrased it better. "I am still wary of Lommy," full stop. Continuing the train of thought, if she was a Wolf: if she was a Wolf, I can see her killing Agan pretty easily. (But it's an option for anyone, really.)

Thing is, Eomer couldn't have saved Zil. At that point, Zil had three votes and Legate had two, so the most Eomerwolf could have achieved by way of rescuing Zil would have been a draw which, barring later votes, would have resulted in a coin flip. So if Eomer is a wolf, voting for someone completely unrelated to the whole Inzil issue was pretty much the smartest thing he could do.

Fair enough. Well at that point there were still people to vote, but yeah. It probably wouldn't be smart for him to try to save Zil very much in either case.

Anyway, looking forward to see more from others.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Inzil didn't leave much to go on, but he did cast the suspicion right back at Legate in a fairly clear suggestion to get other villagers to vote Legate instead of him. This at a point when he was justified in believing there were more votes to come. Unless they began the game with the intention to do wolf-on-wolf voting - which would seem needless to me - I'm tempted to take Legate as innocent.

Same goes for Green for her vote. It's not that I discount wolf-on-wolf entirely, but I suspect that this game's pack would have fancied their chances at a clean sweep with no seer around.

[Rikae]

I'm really sorry, folks. I lost track of time, and remembered the deadline five minutes after it had passed. It's probably for the best, though, since I was leaning toward voting for Legate.

As for Legate, I'm going to tentatively put him in the "ordo" category. A wolf wouldn't have felt the need to bus Inzil like that at that point.

Greenie is another matter. Her original suspicion of Inzil seemed to come out of the blue and actually looked rather flimsy to me at the time. Sure, it could be a stroke of genius, or just a lucky hunch, but it could also be wolf-on-wolf that got out of hand.

The only other thing that comes to mind about yesterDay, off the top of my head, is that Eomer's safe vote at the end of the day bugged me. Still, I'm going to have to read through everything once more when I get the chance.

[Nerwen]

Everyone, Day One

#4. Eomer. Banter. Mock-accusations of Legate and Inzilawolf based on in-game rôles.

#5. Aganzir (known innocent). Banter.

#6. Aganzir. Comments on general quietness; thinks the odds against the village are “rather bleak”.

#7. ...Unless there's a secret role to help us. But that's not very likely is it?

Anyway I think sally, Inzil and Rikae are the wolves because they are the only ones whose occupation isn't even remotely related to food. And if it keeps being this quiet I will vote accordingly. (Heck, I might anyway. It's not exactly as if we have anything to go on.)

#8 – #12. Back and forth, mainly banter, between Eomer and Aganzir. At #8 Eomer makes another mock-accusation, this time of Agan, who, at #9 replies that she would like to joke about being a wolf, or his packmate, but doesn’t think it’s worth it due to the importance of actually lynching a wolf. At #10 Eomer asks Agan what she makes of the situation, although in a semi-joking way. Agan gives a joking reply at #11 and at #12 repeats that she doesn’t like the odds.

Comment: Very chummy, these two. If Agan's rôle were unknown, I might be tempted to see them as potential pack mates. As it is, though… two innocents sounding each other out? Wolf buddying up to an innocent? I wonder.

#13.
[Replying to Agan]
Since you asked, an enchilada would be good. Hold the guacamole, and add black beans and Mexican rice.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Aganzir View Post
Okay I do have some more thoughts, but they can be summed up with "the odds are against us and we're all gonna die."
Well, the ratio right now is 7-3, obviously. A couple of bad lynches does make it a pretty doomed affair. No Gifteds is a serious handicap. So it's important that everyone show up and vote toDay. This is certainly a case where "I won't vote cos I don't see anyone as suspicious" will play to the baddies.
This post was later flagged as suspicious by A Little Green.

#14. Rikae. Counters Agan's pessimism by pointing out that the odds of lynching a wolf are good; anticipates "a game based on reasoning and analysis instead of gifted strategy”; makes mock-accusation of Agan based on in-game rôle.

#15. Eomer makes joking, or semi-joking, accusation of the other three, based on Rule of Three type reasoning– since"wolves, more than ordos, would be hyped for the game and unable to refrain from posting ASAP, I guess I've already got my three wolves in the bag”.

#16. Lommy agrees with Agan that the odds are poor; says there may be a secret rôle or twist but that it should not be counted on and that, "Rather, we should just keep our wits around and try or best and if we lose, pull the "the odds were against us from the start” card”. Will be voting early; laments lack of posting.
Comments

Back and forth between Greenie and Legate (#17 - #24).
#17. Legate agrees with both camps regarding the odds– i.e. it is generally bad but also the village has a high chance of hitting a wolf by chance. Wants to make the votes “orderly”: "try to avoid spreading them out, so the WWs are actually forced to vote to save their lynchmates... that is, if their lynchmates are among the candidates in the first place”.

#18.
[Replying to Eomer at #15] What, including yourself?

Legate, what are lynchmates?

#19.
Legate clarifies that he means “their pack mates who are about to be lynched”; believes wolves will have more need to save their packmates than in a larger village.

#20. Greenie will vote early; is tempted to vote for a “no-show” but thinks it wouldn’t be fair.

#21. Greenie queries Legate's reasoning at #19.

#22. Legate agrees but says he was trying “to present the other side”: the wolves are in danger because "there is no infinite crowd of random no-posters to hide in".

#23. Kath votes Eomer, stressing that it is a throwaway: "in the interests of trying to make this as fair as a useless vote can be, I'm picking the first person who posted.” This is the first vote of the Day.

Tally
Kath —> Eomer.

Comment: Odd and seems rather forced– could she really not find *any* reason, at that point? This post is, however, marked as having crossed with “everyone” since 7 pm.

#24. Greenie accepts Legate's point, but suggests that the wolves themselves might be “the infinite crowd of no-posters.

#25. Greenie calls Kath's vote “the easiest vote you could possibly cast”.

#26. Rikae dislikes Legate's suggestion at #19: "In a village this small, trying not to spread out the votes very nearly translates to "lynch the first person who gets a vote", and of course, wolves can vote early with confidence that it isn't someone on their own side, and we can’t.” Urges everyone to talk more.

#27.
So, what have we got so far -

Eomer being chatty and pointing fingers in the usual manner.

Aganzir trying to steal my occupation as the village pessimist. Having a bit of a devil-may-care attitude too, which might point at her innocence. I don't know.

Inziladun got on my bad side by making me hungry. Mmm enchiladas with guacamole... Other than that, hard to say. Literally basic Inzil, which statistically probably equals wolf.

Rikae enjoys the challenge? Good - we should keep her around as a wünderbaum... erm I mean, to keep the air fresh and optimistic.

Legate sounds like a parody of himself, only with shorter posts. I wonder if he's doing it intentionally or not.

Greenie is basically just trying to have a chat with someone and questioning their wording. Also absolutely typical.

...yeah, surprising conclusion, nobody seems super suspicious so far!

I would like to see more posts before I vote, but I really have to go to sleep within an hour, preferably sooner than later. Seeing as nothing really stands out, I don't feel very good about just randomly voting someone basically just because they posted, but voting someone just because they didn't post yet seems like an equally stupid move. Argh. Like literally my best lead at the moment is to vote Inzil because he is always a wolf... *scratches head*
Comment: here we have yet another player making a *joking* accusation of the person who turned out to be a wolf. Especially striking in this case as she doesn’t do it to anyone else.

#28.
Because this is the closest to a suspicious thing I've seen this far:
Quote:
Originally Posted by Inzil
Well, the ratio right now is 7-3, obviously. A couple of bad lynches does make it a pretty doomed affair. No Gifteds is a serious handicap. So it's important that everyone show up and vote toDay. This is certainly a case where "I won't vote cos I don't see anyone as suspicious" will play to the baddies.
It almost looks as if he took a moment to reflect on how an innocent would feel in this situation, then listed all the points he came up with. It does seem pretty doomed, oh dear there are no gifteds that's such bad news for us, and let's all be nice good innocent villagers ok? It's not much, but it's the best I've got.

Comment: this is the second vote of the Day. It is also the *fourth* time someone has expressed suspicion of Inzilawolf, yet only the *first* time anyone has a serious reason for doing so.

Tally
Kath —> Eomer
Greenie —> Zil (wolf).

#29. Legate defends Kath's vote since “there isn’t much to cast, anyway”. Rambles about pros vs cons of voting for no-posters; finds it rather suspicious that Kath votes at all on Day One.

#30.
Typically outrageous behaviour from Kath. Although, I suspect a wolf-Kath would probably just ignore the Day One vote and come in all late and innocent and apologetic. Whatever else, we should all vote today, however badly reasoned; so I at least approve of that.

The price of her ale just went up, mind.

#31. Legate replies to Rikae's criticism with this, which seems to beg the question:
"Yes, what I meant was something like that ideal state is having like two candidates, not more. (Although looking at the votes cast so far, I am not very happy about that. So maybe it will just naturally gravitate towards "let's see what the first Day brings us". But I hope future Days will have some field rather in the sense of having as few major choices as possible; well, they'd better, anyway.)” Agrees that more talk is needed; finds Lommy's suspicion list “too nice”.

#32. Lommy is also critical of Legate's voting plan as “'I feel like that's giving the wolves a free pass à la "look puppies, here's the menu toDay, which one would you like?’” Is considering voting me for my presumed non-vote.

#33. Eomer also mentions my notorious Day One voting record, but thinks I would be in a good position because of the DL.

#34. Inzilawolf mentions having power outages.

#35. [Replying to Rikae]I modded a no-gifted game with about 5 ordos more than here and the wolves swept a lynchless victory. Granted they were a very good pack, but my faith in reasoning and analysis is somewhat weaker than yours, especially as there's a crucial thing missing - time. So all in all I kind of agree with Legate(?) who said the wolves have more of a reason to be excited.

Feeling okay-ish of Team Finn (Legate, Greenie and Lomster).
Eomer seems outrageously suspicious and is therefore probably innocent.
Knowing the game has started is kind of a point against Kath.
Inzil is a question mark, could be persuaded to suspect him because of what somebody pointed out (effort to go through the rules from an innocent perspective) but won't yet.
Rikae feels a tiny bit iffy but not enough to act on it yet.

#36.
I guess I can see Greenie's reasoning, at least for a Day 1. Seems a little dodgy though that she went that way after a comment about Kath making an easy vote.

#37. Lommy votes Legate:
He's the only one who's really caught my attention this far (obviously ) in any way, both by sounding like he's a parody of himself - which, granted, could be just him sounding like himself, but could also mean he's trying too hard to sound like his normal self - and by making slightly weird points about focusing the votes.

Now I'm far from convinced he's a wolf but I don't really have any better leads at the moment. Good night and Night! Vote well.
Comment: Yet, she wasn’t even considering voting him before this...

Tally
Kath —> Eomer
Greenie —> Zil (wolf)
Lommy —> Legate.

#38. Okay, want to vote soon too, so just very quickly:

Quote:
Originally Posted by Eomer of the Rohirrim View Post
I always think of Nerwen as being particularly bad for missing Day One votes, but maybe with this deadline she'll be in the best possible position to cast a critical eye over today's shenanigans at the deadline.
Eomer is being so far absolutely awful as far as his posting is concerned, but I think that's maybe rather a sign of a classic Eomer and not Wolfishness

Quote:
Originally Posted by Inziladun View Post
I guess I can see Greenie's reasoning, at least for a Day 1. Seems a little dodgy though that she went that way after a comment about Kath making an easy vote.
This is dodgy by itself; as in, would be easy way to cast a suspicion (a bit in self-defense, too), then again, it is really an observation of how Greenie voted. Personally though I don't have anything against Greenie's vote as it is: it is really just fairly random, because at that point there wasn't really much to base it on.

As for general overview...

Lommy: now if she is evil, her vote against me is obviously retaliation. If she isn't, then, well she isn't (ok, need to go to sleep soon). I mentioned that some of the stuff looked fishy, but again, we are on Day 1 and there really isn't much to operate with.
Agan: looks more like being innocent than not. Like one of the few I would totally give a pass for toDay based on how they posted.
Greenie: Bah. At least she's been actively posting; so that's one reason why not to cast a vote for her; the posting hasn't been in any way suspicious and did seem in fact maybe even a bit more like innocent Greenie than not.
Rikae: Very little to go on. Reasonable, but one post, so come on. Can't really say much from that.
Eomer: what I just said. Probably won't vote him as that would be completely random (hmm, but if he remained being just random, he'd deserve that though...)
Inzil: what I also just said. There is maybe a bit of weird vibe, but again, what can one do with two and half posts.
Kath: Honestly, that's effectively just a vote. What I said (and Agan mentioned too) stands, however: I think she'd be more likely to show around if she happens to be a Wolf and thus some packmates alerted her about the game. But that's a) metareasoning and I don't trust that by default, b) Kath would probably anyway behave independantly of whether somebody told her or not and however things were. So it's a bit similar case to Greenie; just too random. Probably not my vote.
sally: expect her to appear later, leaving her out of my calculations for now
Shasta: ditto
Nerwen: well, what Lommy said... but I think I am just leaving her out of this for now.

That's it, I guess... will think for a bit and then vote.


#39. Agan votes Inzilawolf “because I don’t want to spread it too much.”

Tally
Kath —> Eomer
Greenie —> Zil (wolf)
Lommy —> Legate
Agan (innocent) —> Zil (2).

#40. Legate votes Inzilawolf for the same reason as Agan.

Tally
Kath —> Eomer
Greenie —> Zil (wolf)
Lommy —> Legate
Agan (innocent) —> Zil (2)
Legate —> Zil (3).

#41. I tell Lommy she is terrible person for considering voting me.

#42. Just like old times.

Well, I still don't have my computer, and can't really quote anyone. I do think there's obvious bandwaggoning going on, and Legate looks the worst. The last line he put, "hope to see you tomorrow" I can understand coming from an outed Seer, but that obviously is not the case, and it looks even more forced coming on a Day One.

#43. Interesting. To me, Legate's been giving off more "pretending to be helpful" and "making a show of thinking like an innocent" vibes than Inzil has. Perhaps that in itself should make me suspect Inzil, since I normally seem to think he looks wolfy as pie. Or something.

#44. Me: banter. Then I disappear and am never seen again. (Connections went out in my area, if you’re curious).

A series of interesting posts from Eomer.

#45.
Legate's style of play always suggests to me an air of trying too hard to look innocent. He's always making those long lists reviewing every player, even when nothing has happened. So that's not really indicative of anything; it's just how he plays.

These Inzil votes are curious, for sure.

#46.
Legate is also effectively putting himself in the limelight with that third vote for Zil. I'm not sure about the vote's merits, but at least it's consistent with his previous inclination to limit the lynch-candidates; plus, somewhat risky stuff for a wolf.

Zil's annoyed reaction is understandable, but I'm not convinced that Legate "looks the worst." Although it's amusing that Legate wanted only a couple of voting options today and the table is now set for it to be between him and Zil. Let's not get bogged down by just those two, though.

Not getting a suspicious feeling from the Finns. Rikae: can't tell yet. Legate/Inzil: eh.... not really.

Worst so far is probably Kath. To make a random vote, I just don't find it useful. Even if I was going to vote randomly, I would couch it in some other terms to at least allow the possibility of other villagers jumping on the reason and sparking discussion.

#47. Sally makes a lengthy in-character post. Seems oblivious to the rest of the thread.

#48.
I need to vote now. I have three votes. As I don't really want to die just yet, I think I'll go ahead and give Legate his second. It's his latching onto the wagon, followed by that "throwaway" remark about hoping to be around the next Day. That still feels forced and not something an innocent would say at this time.
Votes Legate.

Tally
Kath —> Eomer
Greenie —> Zil (wolf)
Lommy —> Legate
Agan (innocent) —> Zil (2)
Legate —> Zil (3)
Zil —> Legate (2).

#49. Eomer votes Kath
Tally
Kath —> Eomer
Greenie —> Zil (wolf)
Lommy —> Legate
Agan (innocent) —> Zil (2)
Legate —> Zil (3)
Zil —> Legate (2).
Eomer —> Kath.



#50. *hums along with the crickets*

Comments: Eomer stands out here as a possible packmate of Inzilawolf. It is important to note, though, that this was a classic drive-by Fenrissing, thus an innocent might have baulked at the lack of reasoning behind the votes. Then there's Lommy, who seems not to have considered voting Legate until *after* Zil got a vote. Legate makes some very dubious and arguably counter-productive suggestions, but his vote looks very good and seems unlikely to have come from a wolf. We should not, however, rule him out altogether because of this– I have played in too many games where the village “cleared” a wolf for gratuitously bussing a packmate. It happens. Greenie is notable for being the first person to vote Zil and the one to make some semblance of a case against him. Again, this looks pretty good, but, in the interest of maintaining a healthy paranoia, we could always turn this around and wonder why *she* wasn’t the one killed.

My connection went out while typing this and I couldn’t refresh, so I have undoubtedly crossed with many people. Just letting you all know.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Any particular reason you didn't commit to a vote at the end, Sally?

[satansaloser2005]

Heigh ho, heigh ho, it's off to work I- already am.

I didn't feel comfy voting for either candidate yesterDay - or rather, I didn't feel comfy choosing between them, finding both of them to be acting rather unusual but not suspecting either enough at the time to vote for one over the other. At least I didn't stick my nose in and muck up Dun's induction into the noble order of the Fenris, so I feel no shame about not voting yesterDay. Mind, today won't see the same silence; I'll post more once I'm home from work and have checked everyone out.

Also, the wolves are in trouble for slaughtering my minx. Well done. *rimshot* Seriously though, rude and uncalled for. There was seemingly no reason for her to be the target. Besides, I was looking forward to arguing with her. :(

Back again when I can.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Nerwen, your comment on Lommy seems to boil down to: she didn't vote for Zil; which obviously goes for just about everyone else. I mean, I know it all fits - her possibly starting a movement to save Zil - but it rather feels as if she's being suspected for being in that place at that time.

Also, Rikae: can you explain a bit more why you thought my vote was safe? I mean, I think I know what you mean, but still...

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Hello, everyone! Apologies for being late. Let me get caught up and I'll be with you as soon as I get this bread out of the oven.

[Rikae]

Ok, I've looked over yesterDay, and there wasn't really much to see beyond what I remembered.

Greenie to Kath:
I know at this point we can't really expect stronger reasoning than this, but this still strikes me as the easiest vote you can possibly cast.

I wondered about this. Why is it the easiest possible? Easier than other random votes?
Legate sounds like a parody of himself, only with shorter posts. I wonder if he's doing it intentionally or not.

What did you mean by that, Lommy?

Greenie's vote

It almost looks as if he took a moment to reflect on how an innocent would feel in this situation, then listed all the points he came up with. It does seem pretty doomed, oh dear there are no gifteds that's such bad news for us, and let's all be nice good innocent villagers ok? It's not much, but it's the best I've got.

The thing about this is, I don't see it myself. I mean, in retrospect it was exactly what he was doing, but here this strikes me as the sort of nit another wolf would pick. It looks like that's what he's doing, to her, because she knows that's what he's doing. Since it's clearly an early vote on flimsy reasoning, she could easily have felt it was only a small risk.

Oh, and Sally: hanging around and joking about crickets, posting songs, but not voting or contributing? Not cool.

Also, Rikae: can you explain a bit more why you thought my vote was safe? I mean, I think I know what you mean, but still...

Because it was. :p Kath wasn't likely to be lynched at that point. You neither contributed to Inzil's lynch nor did anything that could be construed as saving him.

[Rikae]

Oh, and of course, your vote didn't actually contain anything that would make it more likely she'd be lynched. Just the vote, and an earlier post saying To make a random vote, I just don't find it useful.
I don't find voting people for making random votes very useful either. :D

[A Little Green]

I didn't feel comfy voting for either candidate yesterDay - or rather, I didn't feel comfy choosing between them, finding both of them to be acting rather unusual but not suspecting either enough at the time to vote for one over the other. At least I didn't stick my nose in and muck up Dun's induction into the noble order of the Fenris, so I feel no shame about not voting yesterDay. Mind, today won't see the same silence; I'll post more once I'm home from work and have checked everyone out.OK, but why didn't you say any of this yesterDay?

I wondered about this. Why is it the easiest possible? Easier than other random votes?In a sense. Voting randomly in general is a very safe option, and picking Eomer because he was the first one who posted - well, given all the "rule of three" nonsense, that was a neat balancing between a clearly random vote and one that could be justified with a light, logical, half-joking reason. I don't know how well I'm explaining myself here, it makes sense in my head but I can't seem to articulate it very clearly.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Immediate thought while skimming - Legate is a wolf!

Now to figure out why my brain elected to say that... :rolleyes:

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Hm. I'm not going to be able to post quotes until I get home from work, but for now - post 57, specifically the bit about Lommy; it read to me as "I think she's suspicious, but I don't, but I do."

Now, Lommy herself I could maybe see doing that. But Legate?

Granted, from what I've read this far Legate appears to have been fairly instrumental in the Inzil lynch yesterday, and I know several people seem to have perfectly good reasons to think him innocent at this juncture. I just wanted to get my first impression down. I'll need to do some more reading.

[A Little Green]

Hm. I'm not going to be able to post quotes until I get home from work, but for now - post 57, specifically the bit about Lommy; it read to me as "I think she's suspicious, but I don't, but I do."

Now, Lommy herself I could maybe see doing that. But Legate?Oh, but he does it all the time! Ever heard the phrase "Legate 180"? :D

That said, I do have my reservations about trusting him. As I mentioned earlier, the only other viable lynch candidate to have emerged by the time he voted was himself (I'm not counting Eomer since he was a random vote). To be sure, a wolf Legate could have cooked up a case against Eomer just off the cuff, but that would have raised quite a few eyebrows. I'm not saying this means Legate is a wolf, only that I don't think we should write him off as innocent just yet. Even though he clearly indicates that we should -

Also, given that the village is small, I think those who voted for Zil are less likely to be his packmates.Inzil was voted for by a grand total of three people, one of whom was the now-dead ordo, and another was Legate himself - which makes me curious about his choice of words, "those who voted for Zil". Is that a roundabout way of saying "I'm an unlikely wolf, wink wink", or is he saying I'm an unlikely wolf? If so, why the plural? I mean, I'm not sure why an innocent Legate would call himself "less likely to be Inzil's packmate".

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Legate is also effectively putting himself in the limelight with that third vote for Zil. I'm not sure about the vote's merits, but at least it's consistent with his previous inclination to limit the lynch-candidates; plus, somewhat risky stuff for a wolf.
I just noticed this only when somebody quoted it: Eomer, could you actually clarify what you meant by this? Like by "somewhat risky stuff for a wolf"? How was it risky? (Just crossed my mind that this sounds a bit like a Wolf-slip. "It would be a risky stuff for a Wolf to do, because Inzil is a Wolf." Without realizing that you are not supposed to know that he is one...) So how did you mean this?

I didn't feel comfy voting for either candidate yesterDay - or rather, I didn't feel comfy choosing between them, finding both of them to be acting rather unusual but not suspecting either enough at the time to vote for one over the other. At least I didn't stick my nose in and muck up Dun's induction into the noble order of the Fenris, so I feel no shame about not voting yesterDay. Mind, today won't see the same silence; I'll post more once I'm home from work and have checked everyone out.

Also, the wolves are in trouble for slaughtering my minx. Well done. *rimshot* Seriously though, rude and uncalled for. There was seemingly no reason for her to be the target. Besides, I was looking forward to arguing with her. :(

Back again when I can.
Okay, this post a) is not very good clarification - I am seconding Rikae and Greenie here - you were around and did not want to vote, so why didn't you say so, for example? But b) especially its second part sounds a bit Wolfy to me. This kind of "I am being nice, oh poor Agan, she was killed." Together with the first part it would then be an awful Wolf-alibism. Watching sally.

The thing about this is, I don't see it myself. I mean, in retrospect it was exactly what he was doing, but here this strikes me as the sort of nit another wolf would pick. It looks like that's what he's doing, to her, because she knows that's what he's doing. Since it's clearly an early vote on flimsy reasoning, she could easily have felt it was only a small risk.
I agree with Rikae's perception of this, even though I am not sure if I agree with the conclusion; it does not necessarily seem to me like a Wolf-thing to do. But it's a thing to note, sure.

Hm. I'm not going to be able to post quotes until I get home from work, but for now - post 57, specifically the bit about Lommy; it read to me as "I think she's suspicious, but I don't, but I do."

Now, Lommy herself I could maybe see doing that. But Legate?

How many games have you played with me again? And this surprises you?

EDIT: x-ed with Greenie

[Rikae]

I just noticed this only when somebody quoted it: Eomer, could you actually clarify what you meant by this? Like by "somewhat risky stuff for a wolf"? How was it risky? (Just crossed my mind that this sounds a bit like a Wolf-slip. "It would be a risky stuff for a Wolf to do, because Inzil is a Wolf." Without realizing that you are not supposed to know that he is one...) So how did you mean this?

I don't normally put much stock in alleged wolf-slips, but that does look odd.

[A Little Green]

I just noticed this only when somebody quoted it: Eomer, could you actually clarify what you meant by this? Like by "somewhat risky stuff for a wolf"? How was it risky? (Just crossed my mind that this sounds a bit like a Wolf-slip. "It would be a risky stuff for a Wolf to do, because Inzil is a Wolf." Without realizing that you are not supposed to know that he is one...) So how did you mean this?I'm just guessing here, but I read that as "voting as the third in a bandwagon is risky for a wolf", a valid point given how much scrutiny bandwagoners are subjected to if the victim turns out innocent. I hadn't thought of that comment after Inzil turned out to be a wolf though, and your reading of it sounds like a possibility, too.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Leave me alone, it's hard to argue with a feeling. :(

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Oh, and of course, your vote didn't actually contain anything that would make it more likely she'd be lynched. Just the vote, and an earlier post saying
I don't find voting people for making random votes very useful either. :D

Though more useful than not voting at all, I dare say. :p

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

I just noticed this only when somebody quoted it: Eomer, could you actually clarify what you meant by this? Like by "somewhat risky stuff for a wolf"? How was it risky? (Just crossed my mind that this sounds a bit like a Wolf-slip. "It would be a risky stuff for a Wolf to do, because Inzil is a Wolf." Without realizing that you are not supposed to know that he is one...) So how did you mean this?

I'm not quite sure I follow you here.

Risky stuff as in: it would be a risky thing for a packmate of Zil to do? Well, yeah, I suppose a Legate-wolf vote for Zil-wolf would be pretty risky for the wolves - high chance of lynching a wolf.

No, I meant it so far as Zil turned out to be innocent, or if neither of you had gotten lynched at all. In either of these outcomes, your vote becomes extremely interesting and certain to be pored over by the village the next day. That's what I was saying. There were other things Legate-wolf could have done on Day One to not attract so much attention.

Of course, we ended up getting lucky with the lynch; and you're under far less scutiny today than you could have been.

I hope I explain my meaning a bit clearer?

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

I don't normally put much stock in alleged wolf-slips, but that does look odd.

Call me paranoid but you appear to be rather subtly/not-so-subtly going after me today, Rikae. Easy target?

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

No, I meant it so far as Zil turned out to be innocent, or if neither of you had gotten lynched at all. In either of these outcomes, your vote becomes extremely interesting and certain to be pored over by the village the next day. That's what I was saying. There were other things Legate-wolf could have done on Day One to not attract so much attention.

Fair enough, thanks for the reply.

A mandatory list following, since I should vote soon and go to sleep.

Eomer of the Rohirrim - still not very certain about him (of course the response he provided makes sense, but a Wolf would say the same; it's more his reaction as it is that I hoped to get something out of, sadly it's hard to judge)
A Little Green - leaning innocent, even though she might be playing it awfully (complete with the nice appearance of la-di-da "we bagged a Wolf" happy beginning of the Day and so on), but I wouldn't say suspicious meriting a vote yet
Thinlómien- a bit worried still. I hope she is going to post something still toDay in order for me to be able to judge her better
satanisaloser2005 - okay, that behavior is really weird, if you ask me; though skipping a vote while being around and not explaining it at the same time isn't really a sign of Wolvery, it's really just weird. What could amount to Wolvery would be the tone of some of the stuff in her previous post, and thus the no-vote would be just a direct outcome of a Wolf not wishing to meddle into Zil-lynch (waiting until last possible moment if she can swing vote, which then didn't happen? Or somesuch?). But I can also imagine her as a basic innocent.
Kath - I wonder where she disappeared to
Shasta - so far his contributions are not very contributive and not very telling either, would much prefer to see more, sadly I am afraid that might happen only in late American time
Rikae - looks fairly sensible and all; might be plotting something of course, but like Greenie, not really much of a reason for me to give her a vote now
Nerwen - nothing suspicious there, looks like her fairly normal self. There were moments in her analysis where I thought she might be a bit suggestive, but that was still fairly general. Probably also no reason to give her a vote.

[A Little Green]

Not going to vote for:

Shasta - I want to see more of him first.
Kath - Same thing.
Rikae & Nerwen - Both of these ladies creep me out, but I have practically no read on either and won't waste my vote on a shot in the dark. Would like to look at both more closely if/when I have time.

Which leaves:

Eomer - Also creeps me out. Half the time, he acts like a textbook example of a werewolf (like the nice and clean vote for Kath yesterDay), the other half like a level-headed, poking-at-everyone innocent Eomer.
Lommy - Her vote placement yesterDay could be read as a Lommywolf trying to direct the lynch away from Inzil (knowing that Legate is a very easy Day 1 lynch). Also her repeated emphasis on how she doesn't really suspect Legate seems overdone. Otherwise, hard to say.
Sally - I'm wavering between uninterested ordo and deliberately unhelpful wolf.
Legate - I seem to have spent most of the Day talking about him. I still think his and Inzil's mutual "suspicion" and voting for each other looks like possible wolf-on-wolf, probably not one they had planned but more likely something that they considered the best option under the circumstances. Not sure about it though.


EDIT: x-ed with Leggie's list!

[A Little Green]

the no-vote would be just a direct outcome of a Wolf not wishing to meddle into Zil-lynch (waiting until last possible moment if she can swing vote, which then didn't happen? Or somesuch?)Hm. Hadn't thought of that, but it's a possibility.

[A Little Green]

Wavering between Sally and Legate at the moment. Probably leaving Lommy and Eomer alone for toDay since I haven't read them as carefully as the other two.

[A Little Green]

Nah. Not switching at the last minute.

++Legate

It all seems a bit too convenient - the vote placement yesterDay (as well as Inzil's retaliation vote), followed by toDay's "those who voted for Zil are less likely to be his packmates" wink wink nudge nudge. I'm aware this might be a throwaway, I'm not convinced myself, but it's the strongest hunch I have of anyone at the moment.

[Thinlómien]

I didn't feel comfy voting for either candidate yesterDay - or rather, I didn't feel comfy choosing between them, finding both of them to be acting rather unusual but not suspecting either enough at the time to vote for one over the other. At least I didn't stick my nose in and muck up Dun's induction into the noble order of the Fenris, so I feel no shame about not voting yesterDay.Well, that was also a nice way to wash your hands of the mess. I wonder if a wolf would still have cast a throwaway vote though. Depends on the wolf, I guess.

Legate sounds like a parody of himself, only with shorter posts. I wonder if he's doing it intentionally or not.
What did you mean by that, Lommy? Let this service as an answer to Nerwen too who thought my suspicion of Legate came out of the blue. It didn't, even though it was very vague. I meant by this quote that I thought that (early Day1) Legate sounded like a parody of himself which made me think if he's intentionally trying to maintain his innocent playing style (while being a wolf obviously) and overdoing it. Well, still I thought is just as viable that he just happens to sound like himself a lot. And as there hadn't been much, that was the best lead I had (also given his later slightly weird argumentation about not spreading the vote).

If you want to know, my next best ideas were seriously to vote Inzil because he's always a wolf for some reason or to vote Nerwen because she never votes on Day1 (and as much as I adore her it irks me) and that might tell you how much I was shooting in the dark. Then again, I would've been right about both... :rolleyes:

~*~

A list:

Eomer of the Rohirrim - I keep flip-flopping on him. On the other hand he seems a tad too confident and gives a shady vibe with his oddly phrased comments, and is a little defensive of late. Then again, he is not really that different from how he tends to play as an innocent. Undecided.

A Little Green - also undecided. Seems like her sharp self, but when doesn't she? Also, I don't really hold the Inzil vote too much in her favour - I think it would have been fairly likely for a wolf to cast an early wolf-on-wolf vote and hope no one jumps on the bandwagon, and to think that if there's a bandwagon, at least she's going to look fairly innocent herself. Especially if she's suspected the packmate aloud before and others not so much. That's exactly how I got one of my packmates lynched in a game with a similar un-European friendly deadline a couple of years ago and consequently I got a free pass for Days. (Yes this translates to "I did it once so it would be a smart move". :p But yeah, obviously this is not an argument for Greenie's guilt either.)

satanisaloser2005 - not so impressed. I agree her actions late yesterDay are noncommittal, and toDay she's very apologetic, while at the same time laying low. That's pretty fishy in my book.

Legate of Amon Lanc - I still think his arguments make 5-10% sense on average ;) but I'm starting to think he's innocent. I mean, usually wolf-Legate is more cool and calculating than ordo-Legate, and that's about the only difference there is if there is any. The village focus on him has a little misguided if not fabricated vibe. Also I think his nailing Inzil's coffin speaks in his favour, even though it's not impossible he'd have done it as a wolf.

Kath - casting a random vote (okay, I know none of us early voters had very sensible arguments so maybe I'm a little hypocritical) and not being around otherwise makes me definitely want to see more of her. I'm afraid if she's a wolf she'll just sail past us.

Shasta - possibly the weirdest after Sally, wouldn't have probably caught my attention if not the totally touchy last post. Having a bad day or a bad Day? Overreacting in any case.

Rikae - I don't know. I think she muddled up my ability to read her pretty bad in the previous game where she made a huge fuss about how her not being defensive is not a mark of her innocence - while being non-defensive and innocent. She seems helpful, but I kind of agree with Eomer that she was a bit too happy to jump on his supposed "slip".

Nerwen - in a typical Nerwen fashion misses Day1 and makes up by providing helpful analyses on Day2. Like seriously what can I say? No read, but definitely not on the top of my suspicion list.


edit: xed with Greenie's spam

[Rikae]

Though more useful than not voting at all, I dare say. :p

There's unintentionally useless, and there's intentionally useless. I hope you're not implying I would lie about losing track of the time.

Call me paranoid but you appear to be rather subtly/not-so-subtly going after me today, Rikae. Easy target?

Furry target, especially from this reaction.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Not implying you're lying, Rikae, but I'm always suspicious of non-voters. I also take some issue with your assessment of my vote as 'intentionally useless.' It was not meant as such. Inzil, on 3 votes, could easily have been caught up with after my vote for Kath - there were 4 people who could still have voted at that stage. It's hardly fair to claim that I was throwing my vote away, because at that stage there were still other options. And I stand by my vote: there's no way Kath gets away with her completely random vote; it was certainly no better than any non-voters and, as I argue, actually worse.

Now you're calling me 'furry' for daring to question you. I don't know what to make of that.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Ok, bedtime approaching, so, to vote. It basically comes down to either Lommy or Eomer for me. Otherwise, even though this is essentially repetition of what I brought up in my list, but this time these are direct appeals -

Kath, Sally, Shasta: If you are innocent, talk to us. (If not, don't and we will simply lynch you. Really, with these numbers...)

Otherwise. Hmm. So Eomer or Lommy. It seems kind of likely that Eomer will get more votes. From that perspective, it might be a more logical "investment" if the choice is practically the same between the two, as far as I am concerned. Then again, he is the one more, hum, rational one of the two. I mean he's certainly been sensible; really sensible I mean - making some observations that I cannot but judge as genuine. Point being: that's exactly what a clever Wolf would do, too - especially as a sort of a show for the inquisitive villagers who would be able to spot it.

Lommy's last post, let's make this clear, does not sound much any better than anything before. Sort of raising suspicion against very many people at the same time. But again that's not to say she doesn't make some sensible and probably objective observations either. Just depends how much. If I were to judge the amount of Lommy-vibe, which maybe is the only indicator it comes down to, on the scale from "wolflommy" to "normallommy", it is still maybe like 2/3 towards Wolflommy. Gah, difficult.

Ok, last minute to think, and then I will cast my vote, honestly have no idea which one at this moment.

EDIT: x-ed with Eomer.

[Rikae]

Not implying you're lying, Rikae, but I'm always suspicious of non-voters. I also take some issue with your assessment of my vote as 'intentionally useless.' It was not meant as such. Inzil, on 3 votes, could easily have been caught up with after my vote for Kath - there were 4 people who could still have voted at that stage. It's hardly fair to claim that I was throwing my vote away, because at that stage there were still other options. And I stand by my vote: there's no way Kath gets away with her completely random vote; it was certainly no better than any non-voters and, as I argue, actually worse.

There were 4 people who could have voted, but it's highly unlikely they'd all have voted for Kath.

Now you're calling me 'furry' for daring to question you. I don't know what to make of that.

What? I'm calling you furry for acting jumpy. If I thought you might be a gifted, that reaction might even make me back off, but in this game, it only strengthens my suspicion.

In fact...

++Eomer

EDIT: X'd with Legate

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

That's really suspicious. Jumpy? I'm actively trying to get discussion going! You slyly argue against me, twice, and expect me not to react? In this village where hardly anyone is talking?

[Thinlómien]

Just ????

The Rikae-Eomer spat is definitely interesting, but I don't have enough brain capacity to think about it right now. I will, toMorrow, if I'm around, and likewise by toMorrow I will stop giving quiet people (= Kath and Shasta) a free pass. Sally has said little more than them, but basically all she's said is more or less eyebrow-raising-worthy, so:

++Sally

Need to go to sleep now, sorry for the inactivity toDay, had a busy day in RL, will try to improve in the future!


edit: xed with Eomer

[satansaloser2005]

Not that I don't understand the suspicion I've garnered for not voting, because it's perfectly sensible to find that odd, but would you all rather I had flipped a coin and decided that way? I didn't feel like I'd make a good decision, so I didn't decide at all. I didn't say anything about it because I'm normally not in favor of abstaining and I fully realized the hypocrisy of deciding not to vote.

"You realize our butcher's been ended, and there's no more fresh meat to enjoy. But if we do not pay attention, the werewolves will fix that- oh boy. The person we lynch toDay matters, and if you decide that it's me, I fear many bad things will happen, including a wolf victory. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XkU23m6yX04)"

So, you know, let's choose wisely.

Reading through again, this time with commentary. Back soon.


x'd since Greenie's vote

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Not implying you're lying, Rikae, but I'm always suspicious of non-voters. I also take some issue with your assessment of my vote as 'intentionally useless.' It was not meant as such. Inzil, on 3 votes, could easily have been caught up with after my vote for Kath - there were 4 people who could still have voted at that stage. It's hardly fair to claim that I was throwing my vote away, because at that stage there were still other options. And I stand by my vote: there's no way Kath gets away with her completely random vote; it was certainly no better than any non-voters and, as I argue, actually worse.

Now you're calling me 'furry' for daring to question you. I don't know what to make of that.
Nice. Okay, attempt at objective observation from the outside, because this just seems to me like a kind of a heated thing which escalated rather quickly. I am not entirely sure if I like this little exchange between Eomer and Rikae now, but as far as this post of Eomer's is concerned: that actually at the same time quells my suspicions and at the same time brings them back - the reaction is nicely calm and collected, which seems like an ordo's reaction to accusation, but then the second voice says: and who is going to be more calm and collected under pressure than a Wolf? Ugh. Okay, one more step back: unless this is something that got very much out of hand, then it would kind of seem like there is at least one Wolf in this exchange, and then I would be inclined to think that it is Eomer.

You know what also, if I could cast two votes toDay, I would cast one for Eomer and one for Lommy. It would be that much easier. Then again, fast forward to toMorrow: if we lynch either of those two, I hope that will prove something.

EDIT: x-ed since my last... gah!!!! Okay, wait a second.

[Kath]

I find myself amused by the fact that Eomer, so outraged by my random vote, then revenge votes me. :D Oh I am sure he has a list of reasons really, but that one tickled me. Especially given that thrown in as it was near the end, it was a nice safe way for him to finish the Day. That said, I presume he was expecting three more voted who could potentially have backed him up - I mean, I know I was pretty unhelpful yesterDay but I did at least vote! sally has explained why she didn't vote, but all that explanation said to me was: I wanted to stay out of the firing line. Possibly too cowardly a move for a wolf as it has forced the limelight on to her today though.

As to Inzil, that was an interesting bandwagon. Greenie then Agan then Legate if my reading is right. Now Inzil was bothered by Greenie's vote, saying it felt dodgy. But when push came to shove at the end he switched to saying Legate's vote was worst and attention should be focused that way. Possibly an early wolf on wolf from Greenie to Inzil, and when it took hold Inzil trying to pish suspicion onto Legate to clear Greenie? But really that seems unnecessarily complicated for Day 1!

Agan had a few suspcions yesterDay but really nothing very strong. She voted Inzil and mentioned sally, Rikae and Kath besides but at varying degrees of maybeness and metaness. Killed because there's another wolf in the list? Or because there isn't but the wolves want us to focus on all her stuff when there's nothing more there? I guess we lynch sally, Rikae and me and we have our answer!

Interestingly, Lommy pegged our two revealed roles yesterDay, saying Agan seemed innocent and (based on stats only) Inzil was probably a wolf. Just saying ...

I feel like Legate's vote for Inzil that put him ahead does speak to Legate's innocence. This early in the game throwing a fellow wolf under the bus does seem unnecessary.

I have to vote now (blasted early deadlines and the fact that doing this on a phone takes foreeeever). I am so, SO tempted to vote Eomer again for the entertainment value. :D

I think to a degree I have argued myself out of voting for Legate and by association Greenie, due to the 'why turn on another wolf so early' quandary. Rikae has been making interesting points toDay as far as I have seen. Shasta was very odd, launching in with a huge attention seeking claim - to avoid us lynching him for lack of play? And then sally with her not voting reasons aka avoiding making a decision that could be later analysed.

Just going to post this, see what I have crossed with, then vote.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

At the risk of defending my rival for your affections, Legate ( :p ) why are you thinking about voting Lommy? I don't really get it (and that's coming from someone who is always willing to kill Lommy).

Wouldn't you rather go all Nogrod, and wipe out one of those non-talkers?

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

That's really suspicious. Jumpy? I'm actively trying to get discussion going! You slyly argue against me, twice, and expect me not to react? In this village where hardly anyone is talking?
Brilliant. *exasperation* Meaning, not at Eomer's reaction, but at the fact that this is now happening when I am about to go to sleep. Typical. Also now I totally don't have an idea what to make of this. The reaction is justified, in my opinion, at the same time now it seems like retaliation and at the same time I would like to give both of those the time to cool down and then figure out more about Eomer from behavior in future situations. But, huh. Sleep needed.

Not that I don't understand the suspicion I've garnered for not voting, because it's perfectly sensible to find that odd, but would you all rather I had flipped a coin and decided that way? I didn't feel like I'd make a good decision, so I didn't decide at all. I didn't say anything about it because I'm normally not in favor of abstaining and I fully realized the hypocrisy of deciding not to vote.

Well, I think it's simply that you were here for like two hours (or probably you weren't sitting here for two hours, but you were around during those two hours, and the only thing you said was, I quote, "crickets", instead of saying for example that you do not want to vote etc what you simply said just now).

Also, Lommy's vote: I can totally share the sentiment there. Might feel sorta better about her, because Eomer would have been an easier bandwagon-jump? (Then again maybe a WW wants to avoid that?) Life is hard. *procures a bottle*

Really going to vote in the next post.

EDIT: x-ed since my last

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

I know I was pretty unhelpful yesterDay but I did at least vote!

One of these people who believe that 'democracy' means marking a name on a bit of paper once every 5 years, eh? :p

[Kath]

Eomer and Rikae's spat is fun. I don't know if Eomer is being deliberately ... borderline rude? Reading a couple of his comments on me have felt more like personal attacks rather than werewolf analysis, but perhaps it is the age old issue of text communication.

Anyway, my vote goes to ++sally

Ok, you didn't know how to vote yesterDay, but not voting at all removes you from the discussion. It is too easy an out.

[Kath]

One of these people who believe that 'democracy' means marking a name on a bit of paper once every 5 years, eh? :p


And does it not? After all, if you don't vote at all, what right do you have to be upset by the result? Anyway - let's shelve the RL politics for now.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Ok, I just want to make it clear that I am not being rude. I like you guys. Seriously. It's a game. :cool:

Now, continue..

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

As to Inzil, that was an interesting bandwagon. Greenie then Agan then Legate if my reading is right. Now Inzil was bothered by Greenie's vote, saying it felt dodgy. But when push came to shove at the end he switched to saying Legate's vote was worst and attention should be focused that way. Possibly an early wolf on wolf from Greenie to Inzil, and when it took hold Inzil trying to pish suspicion onto Legate to clear Greenie? But really that seems unnecessarily complicated for Day 1!
Indeed interesting, and yes, a bit too complicated. But interesting in any case, yes.

At the risk of defending my rival for your affections, Legate ( :p ) why are you thinking about voting Lommy? I don't really get it (and that's coming from someone who is always willing to kill Lommy).

Wouldn't you rather go all Nogrod, and wipe out one of those non-talkers?
I am going to sleep, so not going to reiterate, but you can look it up from already some stuff yesterDay and up to now. Generally somewhat suspicious behavior, if compared to how Lommy generally acts. A bit more pointed at times, also voting maybe timed so that to deviate from Inziladun. ToDay's vote much better tho.

And for that, I like your inquisitiveness and now I pity I haven't been playing with you lately that often, because I bet I could more easily analyse whether you are acting as your normal self with this inquisitiveness or just playing it. Anyway, I have to vote now.

In the end...

++Eomer

I am not sure if I'd have said before he was being on a "defensive mode", but now he is much more. (Though of course who wouldn't be.) But yeah, since my options were him or Lommy, I think I will try to go with this. I would so much like to still be around, provided that now apparently things are happening. But yeah. Going to sleep.

P.S. Kath looks quite okay to me from her last post. Wouldn't lynch.

EDIT: x-ed all after my last.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Sally looks fairly suspicious, and I should vote for her to save myself, but Rikae has really gone to the top of the list today. I suspect her more than Sally or Kath at this stage.

[satansaloser2005]

Okay, so other than some light bickering and suspicion of submarines, nothing sticks out too much so far.


I've got an organized little suspect list
Sharing all my thoughts on all of you
Mad ones, late ones
Some are guilty as sin
A vote maybe two we have yet to choose
Before we're all done in....


To business!


Not voting toDay

Greenie - I'm currently thinking Greenie to be innocent, mostly based on her vote toDay. Were she a wolf, it would probably be easier to start a wagon rolling at me than it would be to aim at Legate.

Legate - He seems off to me, but it's also quite early and he did push Dun into a solid lead (certainly at the time), which makes me feel good about him.

Lommy - Her frustration (as it were) seems genuine, and I don't yet sense any Thinwolfien overtones, so for the moment at least, I'm not keen to lynch her.

Shasta - Sleepy psychic wolf boy likely needs a bit for his gift to warm up, so we'll see shortly if we're dealing with good or evil Shasta, but I think a wolf Shasta would have made it in yesterDay to vote.


Eh, what?

Kath - No particular read, which bothers me, but eh.

Nerwen - Hasn't said enough for my Nerwen radar to ping either way.


Eyebrow-raising

Rikae - Baring teeth, be they human or lupine, and I feel like an innocent Rikae wouldn't get so hot so early in the game. Not that I'm saying she's attacking outright, but she's pressing Eomer harder than is necessary and it feels sinister to me.

Eomer - Likewise, I feel like he's hit the serious level a bit too early. Between him and Rikae, one of them is almost certainly a wolf (both by the way they're acting and by statistics). The special note here is that I'm always awful at reading Eomer, so I could be off base, but if anything, that makes my brain lean toward marking him the lesser of two evils.


x'd since my last

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

So Sally, fancy voting Rikae to make a 3-way?

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Ah, probably not. You'll want to survive, I guess.

Well, I'm sticking to my conviction.

++RIKAE

[Shastanis Althreduin]

In regards to Rikae and Eomer, I hesitate to think that one or the other must be a wolf, but I agree that the possibility is there - and for the sake of opinion, I do think Eomer to be more likely. Some of that is that I think Rikae's reaction feels genuine; some is also that I think I'm sensing more alarm from Eomer than is really necessary.

Honestly, though, I feel like I have to mention the innocent v. innocent possibility here, though. That's kind of the vibe I'm feeling currently, and I'd like to go back and read more before I vote either one.

[satansaloser2005]

So Sally, fancy voting Rikae to make a 3-way?

It worked out really poorly for me last time I tried to tie a vote, but....

It seems to me the lynching could end up either way
And though my odds are tiny, I'd still like to play
So now my choice seems simple - I'll vote and hold my breath
I hope this doesn't end in death
(Unless it's yours, I must confess) (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7X1VjGsZeyw)

In short:
++Rikae
I hope this works!

[Rikae]

So, Sally, is that vote for daring to question Eomer? Or is it for saying your hanging around and not voting was not cool? :rolleyes:

[Nerwen]

Tally

A Little Green —> Legate
Rikae —> Eomer
Lommy —> Sally
Kath —> Sally (2)
Legate —> Eomer (2)
Eomer —> Rikae
Sally —> Rikae (2)


Interesting.

[Nerwen]

So– at the time of posting we have a three-way tie between Eomer, Rikae and Sally, with Legate as a fourth option and only me and my king left to vote.

Hmmn. From the interactions toDay, I think it’s likely there is indeed a wolf or two in that thicket– but which?

Now, in theory, we should be able to infer from the voting pattern that Eomer and Sally are either both innocent or both packmates, since they each voted Rikae in a situation where they “should” have voted each other for self-preservation (note also that they had previously mentioned each other as suspicious, so it’s not as if it wasn’t an easy option). I’m not so sure about that in practice, however– if everyone behaved “logically” the game would be a lot more predictable.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

That's a good point. I hesitate to ever think I can read Sally, but why didn't Eomer vote for her? Self-preservation would have been a perfectly logical reason for voting, in my opinion. But he voted Rikae instead. Curious.

[Nerwen]

That's a good point. I hesitate to ever think I can read Sally, but why didn't Eomer vote for her? Self-preservation would have been a perfectly logical reason for voting, in my opinion. But he voted Rikae instead. Curious.
Indeed. As I said, though, it may just be that they’re both innocents who found Rikae overwhelmingly suspicious, so that the need to vote her outweighed both personal risk and their suspicion of one another. Which is fair enough. It’s when you add in the timing of their expressed suspicions that it does start to look a bit questionable.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

What looks odd to me is the fact that Sally's top two suspicions today are the two who've arguably been the most argumentative and loud. But again, especially having Fenrised a wolf already, I'm hesitant to vote either one. I just feel like a wolf in this situation would have been more cautious.

[Nerwen]

Time has run out, so-

++Eomer

[Shastanis Althreduin]

++Legate

[Shastanis Althreduin]

I ended up not being confident in either one, so I voted my original pick. Doesn't look like it made a difference, though.

[Oddwen]

Voting is closed. A dice will be rolled due to the tie.

[Oddwen]

Back and forth the arguments went - the loud accused the quiet, the quiet accused the loud, the loud accused the loud, the quiet accused the quiet, things got heated, things got cold, things got lukewarm and were spat out in disgust. In the end a hasty decision had been made to not keep their tavern keep, Eomer of the Rohirrim.

In their haste a stuffed snake that had totally been there the whole time suddenly appeared stabbed through his heart, killing him relatively instantly. Snakes are dangerous if you don't know where they are at all times.

He kept his eyes steadily on the painted Warg above his door while everyone else screamed and screamed and screamed. Even after he bled out completely, though his body didn't do much that dead bodies don't usually do, they kept on screaming.

It turns out he wasn't wolvish. He just admired Wargs professionally.

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Dead:

Oddwen - A Visitor, beheaded and hidden under mushrooms.
Inziladun - Town Layabout, fenris'd on Day one, Werewolf
aganzir - The Butcher, dismembered on Night two, Villager
Eomer of the Rohirrim - Tavern-keep, stabbed on Day two, Villager
Living:

A Little Green - Mad Gardener and Cat/Goat Lady
Thinlomien- The Housewife
satanisaloser2005 - Town Bard
Legate of Amon Lanc -Town Drunk
Kath - A Farmer, trying their hand at a new potentially lucrative crop: mushrooms!
Shasta - A Baker of Bread (and only Bread)
Rikae - A Candlestick Maker (but not a maker of candles)
Nerwen - A Soup Artist who is Souper at their job

[Shastanis Althreduin]

wait please

Moddess, forgive me, but doesn't Eomer have 3 votes to everyone else's 2?

[Oddwen]

Moddess, forgive me, but doesn't Eomer have 3 votes to everyone else's 2?

You are correct. Things happen when I am overhasty and this was one of them. I apolgize, everyone. Let us now continue with our scheduled Night, and further questions can be directed to me privately.

[Oddwen]

The village gathered as soon as the sun had risen in the yeast. The flours had just begun to open but they might as well had just slept in, as they weren't knoticed or kneaded.

The arguments of previous days had left everyone in a sourdough mood. Their moods were not countered by finding the body of Shastanis Althreduin in an oven. Several ovens, to be exact. He looked crispy. It was discrusting. His labakeratory had clearly been used in creative and probably unethical ways, but they weren't bready to dredge up very much just yet.

"This is the worst thing to happen since he discovered how to unslice bread", they mourned.

It was a pity that Shasta would never again see the sunrise that he loafed. Not loved, he would literally throw loaves of bread at the sun.


------------------


Dead:

Oddwen - A Visitor, beheaded and hidden under mushrooms.
Inziladun - Town Layabout, fenris'd on Day one, Werewolf
aganzir - The Butcher, dismembered on Night two, Villager
Eomer of the Rohirrim - Tavern-keep, stabbed on Day two, Villager
Shasta - A Baker of Bread (and only Bread), be-breadedon Night three, Villager

Living:

A Little Green - Mad Gardener and Cat/Goat Lady
Thinlomien- The Housewife
satanisaloser2005 - Town Bard
Legate of Amon Lanc -Town Drunk
Kath - A Farmer, trying their hand at a new potentially lucrative crop: mushrooms!
Rikae - A Candlestick Maker (but not a maker of candles)
Nerwen - A Soup Artist who is Souper at their job

It is now Day three. Wolves stop PMing.

[A Little Green]

Hi lovelies! Just dropping in to say that I'm going to be fairly inactive toDay, I'll be at the Uni and then working for the next 13+ hours. Just briefly -

Eyebrow-raising

Rikae - Baring teeth, be they human or lupine, and I feel like an innocent Rikae wouldn't get so hot so early in the game. Not that I'm saying she's attacking outright, but she's pressing Eomer harder than is necessary and it feels sinister to me.

Eomer - Likewise, I feel like he's hit the serious level a bit too early. Between him and Rikae, one of them is almost certainly a wolf (both by the way they're acting and by statistics). The special note here is that I'm always awful at reading Eomer, so I could be off base, but if anything, that makes my brain lean toward marking him the lesser of two evils.I think Shasta (R.I.P.) mentioned this already yesterDay, but it caught my eye, too: Sally's top suspects happened to be the loudest and most controversial ones at that moment. I'm getting a worse vibe about Sally by the minute - getting people to suspect/lynch either Eomer or Rikae would have been (and was) quite easy in that situation. Sally is too experienced a player not to know that spats like that are as often between two innocents as involving also a wolf. That she would use it as an argument against someone makes me raise an eyebrow. Then again, the vote business and the deal with Eomer later on is odd. I'll leave you guys to sort that one out, I need to run.

[Nerwen]

No! Not my one and only!:(

And apologies to Eomer for casting the kill-vote on him. And no, I didn't have a very strong case, either, but in the end I thought the interaction between Eomer and Sally was too weird to be ignored. Ah well.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

These silent beginnings of the Day are really quite unnerving (btw, is it like this often for the Americans etc. when the DL is something European? I am not just used to this).

I would say that Shasta's death points more than to anything else to the fact that the WWs want to make quiet kills and leave the rest of the village to squabble among themselves, and to let the louder villagers go after each other's throats. Although it should be noted that Shasta actually need not have been very quiet had he actually gotten the chance to appear and post toDay, and in fact, his last minutes he started being quite vocal and I daresay sounding quite a lot like an invested innocent, so that might have been also part of the motivation. He initially suspected and voted me, and raised questions regarding sally, Rikae and Eomer's voting and interactions. Any of these might have played a role (bringing attention of the village to the people in question, or stopping him before he could make up his mind on any of these, etc. It might also have been pure elimination process; such as WWs going through the list of names "we're not killing this one, they could be suspected" and being simply left with Shasta, or somesuch).

With what Greenie just said, I'd think either sally is indeed a Wolf, or then she is. :rolleyes: But seriously, there is something to it.

If we mislynch toDay, then toMorrow there would be the last voting Day. Personally, looking at the list, I would search for WWs among the first three names on the list (Lommy, sally, Greenie). If it's Kath, then that's a bit difficult, given how little she's posted. Nerwen seemed ok, or else she's returned to her good performance as a Wolf (it's been a while, I think, since I've played in a game where she was a Wolf). Rikae's back-and-forth with Eomer was interesting, so that's also an option, although I would basically second what Shasta said yesterDay: it is easy to see Eomer and Rikae interaction as at least one of them being Wolf (so now that would obviously have to be Rikae), but it is also possible it is just disagreements of two innocents. I would be interested to see what Rikae has to say, since we're at it.

I will be around for a while, then back late in the evening.

EDIT: x-ed with Nerwen.

[Rikae]

Nothing much to say about it, Legate, except that I suspected Eomer to begin with, and then his aggressive response gave me the impression of a cornered wolf.

I'm really confused by Sally's behavior, but I'm inclined to think it's more innocentishly weird than wolfishly weird. I have to think a wolf would have voted to save herself. She could have been taking the chance that she'd survive and look innocent for just that reason, I suppose (well, it's something I'd do as a wolf), but I don't really think so.

I'd like to look closer at everyone else. Besides Eomer, no one really jumped out at me, although Lommy has been giving off a creepy vibe. Greenie seems reasonable. I haven't gotten any read on Kath and Nerwen - I'll have to look closer at them. Legate has been playing very innocentishly, and I also doubt he would kill Shasta when it would point so strongly back to him.

[Thinlómien]

Okay, just a quick one now - this game landed probably on the worst week it could have, I have been ridiculously busy and will continue to be so, anyhow I'll now read the thread and comment, but toDay I might have to vote even earlier than before. I'm sorry for my lack of participation!

[Thinlómien]

Re: Eomer - well, I'm not surprised he was an ordo, but then again, I probably wouldn't have been surprised either if he had been a wolf... I feel that he was a bit of an easy lynch candidate though with being so vocal and more aggressive than average. (Yes I am channeling Nogrod since he's not playing. :D)

Re: Shasta - ??? No trace kill? Legate is a wolf who wanted pressure off his back? The wolves want to frame Legate?

Okay so right after I wrote that I read this:

I would say that Shasta's death points more than to anything else to the fact that the WWs want to make quiet kills and leave the rest of the village to squabble among themselves, and to let the louder villagers go after each other's throats. Although it should be noted that Shasta actually need not have been very quiet had he actually gotten the chance to appear and post toDay, and in fact, his last minutes he started being quite vocal and I daresay sounding quite a lot like an invested innocent, so that might have been also part of the motivation. He initially suspected and voted me, and raised questions regarding sally, Rikae and Eomer's voting and interactions. Any of these might have played a role (bringing attention of the village to the people in question, or stopping him before he could make up his mind on any of these, etc. It might also have been pure elimination process; such as WWs going through the list of names "we're not killing this one, they could be suspected" and being simply left with Shasta, or somesuch).The contrast is quite stark with Legate being the second thing that popped into my mind and him downplaying Shasta's accusations of him. (Of course, an innocent would know another villager wasn't killed because he suspected him, but this also looks a bit too much like a wolf explaining away killing someone who was suspecting him.)

Also Legate's whole post #127 is possibly the wishy-washiest and most non-committal I have seen for a long time, up to the point that I kind of think that a wolf would be more careful of how he sounds. But really, I don't know. I'm probably soon flip-flopping as much as Legate himself :p but he is just really weird in this game.

.... WHAT?!!! I just shocked myself by running into my own post from fifteen minutes ago. Seriously, there have been four posts toDay. I was expecting to read like at least 10-20 more posts and some juicy discussion I could jump into. Now I don't feel so bad about being inactive, but I do feel even worse about voting early.

Like seriously I need to think. If I have time, I'll have a better look at Shasta's posts and/or yesterDay's voting, but at least expect some brainstorming in the form of a list.

[Thinlómien]

Okay, really, sorry again, I'm just too busy and tired to do anything super productive right now. So, a list to arrange my thoughts:

Fishy
Sally - I said yesterDay she hasn't posted much but all she's posted has been more or less incriminating. That still holds toDay - the way she fixed her attention and suspicions to the Eomer-Rikae spat late yesterDay did nothing to improve her in my eyes. (Sorry muffin I know that came out a little rude. :D)
Legate - okay, I know, I keep switching my opinion on him, but he baffles me a lot, because he seems horribly innocent and horribly guilty at the same; and what is worse, I think I'm actually quite bad at reading him in ww (even though I assure you not in RL bwahaha :Merisu: ). So, idk. But I don't want to ignore his sketchiness - because if it was anyone else behaving that way, I'd probably be waving red flags all over the place.

Bees?
Greenie, Nerwen and Rikae - lumping these together because more or less the same holds for all of them. I have no specific reason to suspect them - at most Rikae seemed a little trigger-happy yesterDay, Nerwen half gives the "I have been plotting all Night" vibe in her early post(s) and Greenie's actions could be seen horribly strategically convenient for a wolf - yet I am mildly creeped out by them, probably exactly because I have no clear opinion on them and it's quite likely there's at least one wolf in this bunch. Greenie is possibly the worst because if she's a wolf I can totally see her happily sailing to victory without anyone suspecting her once. In short: I should definitely pay more attention to these three but I'm afraid it's not going to happen today thanks to my limited time and energy.

Cute fluffy bunnies
Kath - simply, she gives the cheerful happy ordo vibe and I feel good about her. I think wolf-Kath would be more cautious and fact-oriented.

...such a small village too. :eek:

Well, I think (and hope) at least one of Sally and Legate is a wolf, and the other is hiding under my radar. Of course, it would be absolutely typical that the wolves are say Greenie and Nerwen and totally happily smooth-sailing through the game without anyone much suspecting them. (Even though I think if that's the pack then they'd have been predisposed to win from the beginning...)

[Thinlómien]

Addendum - I'll be around for a while, but only on mobile so don't expect very long posts. Voting within 2,5h in any case.

[A Little Green]

Sorry I'm exhausted, will contribute again toMorrow if I'm still alive. For now -

++ Legate

Too conveniently attempting to guide the village's perception of events in his favour, as in "all Inzil voters likely to be innocent" or downplaying Shasta's suspicions of him and thus his possible connection to the kill.

[Thinlómien]

Oh this game is ridiculous. Seriously where is everyone?

Anyway, I should be asleep already, so:

++Sally

I have less mixed feelings about her than about Legate, and also I'd prefer to give you later voters more options as you will hopefully have more to go on and if we lynch an innocent toDay we'll be running out of time rather sooner than later.

Please talk and choose carefully, I'm getting a little worried.

/tired hypocrite out

[Kath]

I am very sorry, it has been ... a day, and I don't have the mental capacity for detail right now. So what I am going to do is jump on and bandwagon with Greenie and hope it helps others out either by putting some pressure on Legate to enable a better read, or giving the wolves pause for thought on whether to push the lynch and incriminate themselves (if he is ordo) or play avoidantly (if he is a wolf).

I will say that I was reluctant to argue myself out of having suspicion of either Inzil.voter yesterDay. The logic seemed sound but my gut feels either Greenie or Legate could easily be nasty wolvses throwing a fellow wolf out there to make themselves look good. I still feel sally is suspicious. The vote avoidance was just odd and any defences she has tried to put forth haven't really helped.

So:

++Legate

[Rikae]

Ugh. I wanted to come back and contribute more earlier, before it got too late over the pond, but a lot of stuff came up - anyway, here now, rereading the thread.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Well, well, well - one is away for a short time and comes back to get a couple of votes out of the blue. More interestingly, it's like one person who finds me suspicious and two other ones pretty randomly voting me, while the first person doesn't.

I flip-flopped about Lommy several times reading this thread now: she has this attitude which seriously makes me wonder how she can be innocent, because I have never seen her for example misread me in such a way. I agree with her saying that she's better in figuring me out in RL than in WW, but I've been wondering whether this might be just an act she is hiding behind, in order to cast a suspicion around. Voting for somebody else might then be just a way to distance herself from my potential lynch. It's interesting anyway, because it's been a long time since I have seen a Wolf-Lommy and truth be told, it should actually be me saying that she has been acting somewhat weird in this game (mostly by saying that I am acting differently, which puzzles me, because everything aside whether one suspects me of being a Wolf or whatever, I certainly am not).

But to be absolutely honest, Greenie in the last few Days has been far worse in terms of going after me. Then again Wolves are often not that single-minded. Then again again, it is easy for a Wolf to focus on one person to persecute and then when the person is lynched, say "ah, I was wrong, sorry, gotta reevaluate!" and find a new target. Especially in such a small village, I mean, such a tactic could work better than in bigger one.

Anyway, that all being said, I would personally expect a Wolf to be clever, and Greenie even more so. But if she was the Wolf, it would mean that she would have to consider the rest of the village dumb enough to jump on me, which is maybe a bit too blunt tactic for Greenie. So maybe I am going to give her the benefit of doubt now. After all, Eomer also acted in a pattern that was similar, and look how that ended.

But anyway, now that is getting into the risk of starting to judge people based on how they act towards me, which whereas might partially also bear some witness, is really just a single part (although with this little activity in the village and with the last few people mentioning me probably by the highest percentage, there isn't very much to choose from).

What else? There was the matter of sally indeed being a bit questionable, sadly I haven't heard from her toDay. Rikae's last post also did sound partly fishy to me, at least on first read. Specifically, it was kind of "being nice and sensible". Rikae's reply to me is "civil", which of course is nice, but I am just wondering if it is too civil (like intentionally so). But then the rest of the thoughts are ones I could relate to, or at least follow the thoughts and think that they could be coming from an innocent, such as:

I'm really confused by Sally's behavior, but I'm inclined to think it's more innocentishly weird than wolfishly weird. I have to think a wolf would have voted to save herself. She could have been taking the chance that she'd survive and look innocent for just that reason, I suppose (well, it's something I'd do as a wolf), but I don't really think so.
Unless of course Sally was the other Wolf and now that would be a way to smoothen the public image of her a little bit.

I also think, btw, that WWs are not very likely to go Wolf-on-Wolf at this stage. (Of course, now that I've said it... But seriously: the village is still small and there are two of them. Unless they have a brilliant reason to think one of them is totally going for the lynch toDay, there is no reason to bus one another.)

Also this:
I'd like to look closer at everyone else. Besides Eomer, no one really jumped out at me, although Lommy has been giving off a creepy vibe. Greenie seems reasonable. I haven't gotten any read on Kath and Nerwen - I'll have to look closer at them. Legate has been playing very innocentishly, and I also doubt he would kill Shasta when it would point so strongly back to him.
Is the kind of attitude that either an innocent who was sure of having caught a Wolf (Eomer) might have (and now the world was crashed by realisation that it was wrong and they have to start anew), or then a Wolf who had a single-minded pursuit (see above what I said about Greenie) and then is not willing to commit to anything dramatic (especially not lynching an innocent). But to be honest, I think the former is more likely, also given the amount of people in the village etc. - hiding out is a better strategy for a Wolf than a single-minded pursuit. Stay out of the spotlight, would be what I would guess to be the motto for a Wolf in this game.

So, summary:

Lommy - probably Wolfy
Greenie - maybe perhaps possibly innocent
Rikae - possibly probably I would say innocent

Now if either Kath or Nerwen are Wolves, it's pretty awful (or if both!), because they have really not been around that much to produce anything that would give a good read (especially Kath - appear and vote...). Nerwen has been at least giving vibes of "not anything unusual", as far as I am concerned.

About sally then, I have to think... it would be nice to see her posting something more. I can't be around for much longer though.

[satansaloser2005]

Sorry muffin I know that came out a little rude.

I am highly offended! :mad: I am a cupcake, Ma'am, and how dare you call me anything else! :p

I am here and reading. Not that there's a lot to read, but I'm reading all the same.

Uh....uh....right. Things. Blast. Let's get dangerous (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=375ENQbru8s). (It's been a long day. Cut a girl a break.)


Edit: x'd with Legate

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Let me think a bit here.

I would personally prefer the most to vote Lommy now. There however also happen to be two votes straight at me. Sally has one vote. I find her also suspicious, and maybe if I were now supposed to say two names of Wolves, I would say Lommy and Sally. But there are still a few things that would make me second-guess, especially what Rikae said about her.

Anyway, I doubt both of the WWs have already voted, unless we have some unlikely pair like the sisters (would be possible, but... nah, no) or that Kath is one Wolf (which would be tragically unfortunate for the village, given her performance). I would say one has voted and one hasn't. That leaves one person out there waiting to cast an opportunistic vote. Whatever exactly that means. But that also means that if the voting is somehow close etc, they might incriminate themselves.

So ideally, I should cast such a vote to make it difficult for potential Wolves to cast their vote noncommitally. Well. What exactly that means is completely different matter.

The other thing is of course my own survival, which is by no means the most important thing objectively, but with these numbers, it kinda is. Anyway, logically, also just realised that if I voted sally, then it is very likely I would get her vote (in order to save herself, whether she is a Wolf or not), so in fact, that might not be what I want to do at all in either case. So maybe it indeed makes the most sense to vote for Lommy and hope there are just more people doing it. Can't probably go much better.

And I will have to vote soon. So hope there might be at least someone around to read before I go to sleep, in the next few dozens of minutes. (Rikae? Anyone.)

EDIT: x-ed with sally

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

I am highly offended! :mad: I am a cupcake, Ma'am, and how dare you call me anything else! :p

I am here and reading. Not that there's a lot to read, but I'm reading all the same.

Uh....uh....right. Things. Blast. Let's get dangerous (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=375ENQbru8s). (It's been a long day. Cut a girl a break.)

In the name of all! I literally had forgotten that the series existed. I have completely memory blank: I remember the intro, I remember it was great, but I have no memory whatsoever what was going on there. Aanyway...

...anyway, since you are here, sally, please tell me something. Anything. Who do you suspect. Why. Anything.

[satansaloser2005]

Sally is too experienced a player not to know that spats like that are as often between two innocents as involving also a wolf. That she would use it as an argument against someone makes me raise an eyebrow.

But in a village this small, the odds are fairly high that any given spat would involve a wolf; after all, over a quarter of our number were wolves. More to the point, I've seen Rikae get in numerous arguments before, and this is the way a wolf Rikae often acts. (A bit more on this shortly.)

Speaking of which....

I'm really confused by Sally's behavior, but I'm inclined to think it's more innocentishly weird than wolfishly weird.

Well, that's an abrupt change of attitude. A nice one, I'll admit, but still abrupt.

I'm going over Rikae's posts with a comb and intend to have better luck (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g3iFJpGJiug) than certain characters in a certain Mel Brooks film.

So what I'm saying here is....

I will go through Rikae's posts
She's the one I suspect most
And when I've come back with dirt
From the noose her neck will hurt
But for now I'll sing with glee
And survive this....hopefully

(I'm judging myself.)

[Rikae]

Sooo... day one.

On Day 1, I see Lommy talking much but not saying much but "the odds are not in our favour", Legate starting the useful-ish talk, Greenie innocuously questioning Legate about wolf behavior.
Kath random votes for Eomer. Greenie picks at that. Kind of.
Lommy thinks everyone is being themselves, basically not suspecting anyone (except, somewhat, Legate). And this: Like literally my best lead at the moment is to vote Inzil because he is always a wolf... Kind of creepy.
Greenie votes Inzil... like I said before, I think this could have been a bold wolf move. No one else had expressed suspicion of him at that point, aside from joking.Legate threatening the quiet ones (Nog's not here, I guess he's the heir) and saying Lommy's "nobody seems super suspicious" seems too nice.Lommy votes for Legate, Aganzir votes for Inzil, Legate votes for Inzil. I keep asking myself if a wolf-Legate would have done that at this point, and I keep deciding "most likely not". Although this:

Looking at Zil's post as a sum, and given that he already has two votes, I don't actually have anything against trying to vote him.

Seems almost too casual, shoulder-shrugging, maybe calculatedly so. Resigned? But it doesn't make sense.

And finally, Sally's nonsensical non-voting, Inzil's vote for Legate and Eomer's vote for Kath.

to be continued

[Rikae]

Well, that's an abrupt change of attitude. A nice one, I'll admit, but still abrupt.


How so?

[Nerwen]

Here and reading.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Okay, it would be nice to hang around and read more (if anything more comes anytimes soon), but I really have to go to sleep; also my internet is acting up, so it might take a while (like posting this also took already).

I am going before half past. If anyone can post more before that, please do so.

I am right now inclined to vote Lommy.

Now last Rikae's post again made me think he has a bit wishy-washy attitude to those things he presents. I guess toMorrow, if I am around and if he is around, he should be looked at. (Or even if I am not, in fact.) But that's all hoping that we are going to have the luxury toMorrow to actually go for the last Wolf. We can always hope, right?

Btw, saying this also in case I am not around toMorrow anymore, if Kath survives the Night, or somesuch, it is also a thing worth considering that she might be one of the culprits - as she would be the next logical choice for a no-trace kill, methinks (or, for a person who does not have value for the WWs to keep around, because she is not really drawing any suspicion to herself, because she isn't practically around).

That said, gotta check if somebody posted meanwhile and then vote and sleep. Whoops, what did I say about half past. Anyway. Ten minutes max.

[Rikae]

Day 2...

3) Agan? So the time we don't argue she dies early? Unfair. :p I can't think of much except that she voted Inzil if I recall correctly.

Odd that she doesn't give any conclusion about that.

Legate speculating about Eomer and Lommy being wolves together, and then Greenie posts some iffy suspicions of Lommy or Legate as packmates of Inzil, here (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=702076&postcount=58).

Mega-analysis-post by Nerwen, concludes that Eomer is suspicious.

Greenie votes for Legate.

As to Inzil, that was an interesting bandwagon. Greenie then Agan then Legate if my reading is right. Now Inzil was bothered by Greenie's vote, saying it felt dodgy. But when push came to shove at the end he switched to saying Legate's vote was worst and attention should be focused that way. Possibly an early wolf on wolf from Greenie to Inzil, and when it took hold Inzil trying to pish suspicion onto Legate to clear Greenie? But really that seems unnecessarily complicated for Day 1!

Ok, this is weird, and I didn't notice it before. Why would Inzilwolf, knowing he was doomed, try to push suspicion onto Legate by suspecting him? It would have the opposite effect, more likely.

And now today, Legate is addressing the possibility of Kath being a wolf in a kind of, well:

or that Kath is one Wolf (which would be tragically unfortunate for the village, given her performance)
Like it's a foregone conclusion that we won't lynch Kath, which is odd coming from the guy who was threatening the quiet ones before.

So in conclusion... Greenie and Lommy are both slightly fishy, there's little to go on but Kath is a possibility and, particularly, I could see a connection between her and Legate, which makes me reassess him. Unfortunately I have no read on Nerwen and I still find Sally relatively, well, normal Sally, including the single-minded persecution of me. Seriously, Sally, I think you've done that in every game we've played together.

Oh, and folks... *points to sig* thanks.

Edit: X'd with Legate

[Rikae]

Any chance those of you who haven't voted might be persuaded to go for Lommy or Greenie?

[Nerwen]

I'm thinking about it.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Ok, I totally gotta go and the internet is acting up awfully.

Rikae's way of posting currently begins to be more questionable to me, but that might also be the lack of sleep.

Anyway for now, I have to go with the original idea,

++Lommy

Duh. Good night, village. Vote well, preferrably let's lynch a Wolf. Not that there are many options to vote, anyway, though you can still band up to lynch anyone. Or almost anyone.

[satansaloser2005]

So sorry! Had something come up briefly and the post wasn't quite yet post-worthy at the time.

Interesting. To me, Legate's been giving off more "pretending to be helpful" and "making a show of thinking like an innocent" vibes than Inzil has. Perhaps that in itself should make me suspect Inzil, since I normally seem to think he looks wolfy as pie. Or something.

EDIT: X'd with Inzil.

Here Rikae seems to suspect Legate of putting on a show of innocence. However, after this mention of Legate looking like he's acting innocent, there's not much note taken of him.

I'm really sorry, folks. I lost track of time, and remembered the deadline five minutes after it had passed. It's probably for the best, though, since I was leaning toward voting for Legate.

As for Legate, I'm going to tentatively put him in the "ordo" category. A wolf wouldn't have felt the need to bus Inzil like that at that point.

Greenie is another matter. Her original suspicion of Inzil seemed to come out of the blue and actually looked rather flimsy to me at the time. Sure, it could be a stroke of genius, or just a lucky hunch, but it could also be wolf-on-wolf that got out of hand.

The only other thing that comes to mind about yesterDay, off the top of my head, is that Eomer's safe vote at the end of the day bugged me. Still, I'm going to have to read through everything once more when I get the chance.

We see here a nice Legate 180 (TM), but in this case it's about him, not from him. He went from acting innocent to the person Rikae would have voted to suddenly in ordo territory.

This is also the only real mention of Eomer, and it's more of an afterthought. This is relevant because at the start of toDay, Rikae claims to have suspected him all along.

Oh, and Sally: hanging around and joking about crickets, posting songs, but not voting or contributing? Not cool.

I don't find voting people for making random votes very useful either. :D[/URL]

Hang on. So people who don't vote are suspicious, people who vote randomly because they don't have a solid suspicion are suspicious, and people who vote people who randomly vote people are suspicious? Who isn't suspicious? You? :rolleyes:

There were 4 people who could have voted, but it's highly unlikely they'd all have voted for Kath.

Now you're calling me 'furry' for daring to question you. I don't know what to make of that.

What? I'm calling you furry for acting jumpy. If I thought you might be a gifted, that reaction might even make me back off, but in this game, it only strengthens my suspicion.

In fact...

++Eomer

As I said yesterDay, I found Eomer to be the lesser of two possible evils (although yesterDay I didn't say possible evils, to be fair), and this makes me think it even harder. Eomer didn't get super jumpy until Rikae pushed at him. Rikae, on the other hand, seemed immediately on-guard, upping the tension at the earliest opportunity. Again, this seems like typical wolfish Rikae behavior to me.

So, Sally, is that vote for daring to question Eomer? Or is it for saying your hanging around and not voting was not cool? :rolleyes:

And this is clearly baiting me. Although yes, now that you mention it, getting so ruffled over these things, whereas others took calmer paths, seems like the more tense wolf behavior I've seen from you in the past, as opposed to an innocent Rikae, who doesn't bare her teeth unless cornered (which you needn't have been yesterDay had you not drawn so much attention to yourself).

Nothing much to say about it, Legate, except that I suspected Eomer to begin with, and then his aggressive response gave me the impression of a cornered wolf.

I'm really confused by Sally's behavior, but I'm inclined to think it's more innocentishly weird than wolfishly weird. I have to think a wolf would have voted to save herself. She could have been taking the chance that she'd survive and look innocent for just that reason, I suppose (well, it's something I'd do as a wolf), but I don't really think so.

I'd like to look closer at everyone else. Besides Eomer, no one really jumped out at me, although Lommy has been giving off a creepy vibe. Greenie seems reasonable. I haven't gotten any read on Kath and Nerwen - I'll have to look closer at them. Legate has been playing very innocentishly, and I also doubt he would kill Shasta when it would point so strongly back to him.

And here we have a more or less complete reversal of the second post I quoted here. Suddenly Eomer's always been evil, she's treating Legate like an ordo, Greenie is reasonable, and Lommy is creepy. And, despite the mild teeth-baring at me yesterDay, I'm apparently okay as well.

Consistency is key, and it is not something we have here. So the question that needs to be answered here is clear, at least to me.

(I'm sorry. I'm so sorry.)

[URL="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0H2W1lK7P-I"]Who do you suspect and why? Tell us, tell us.
Or are your posts full of lies? Tell us, Rikae, please.
Will you vote for me? Will you pick a fight?
My guess is going toward the second one
With you plotting more in the Night (http://forum.barrowdowns.com//www.pinterest.com/pin/create/extension/)

(Note: The video may be wildly offensive if taken out of context, and possibly even in context. Relevance begins at about 1:15.)

(Another note: Rhymes are hard on no brain and I am lacking in subtlety today. Rikae, darling, please take no offense, as none is intended.)


In other news, though voting Legate would probably be one of the safer options for me toDay, I still don't see him as a threat, certainly not the biggest threat. Much like yesterDay, I'd rather vote for someone I suspect than vote to save my own neck at this point.


Edit: x'd since my last

[Nerwen]

This is something that's troubling me: Rikae (#128) Lommy (#130) Greenie (#133 vote-post), even Legate himself a degree (#127), speak of my beloved's death as something that points straight at Legate, thus either implicating him or suggesting that he's been "framed".

Does that even make sense, given the circumstances? There's no Seer for whom Shasta could have been mistaken, and I don't see that he was going after Legate *that* strongly, such that a Legwolf would need to eliminate him anyway.

[Nerwen]

Some points on Rikae there, Sally (#150). Though you are quoting in a vacuum somewhat- things had happened in between.

[Rikae]

Sally, you explicitly went out with the intention of finding reasons to suspect me (because that's so useful), and the reasons you found are, as far as I can tell:

1) I mildly suspected Legate on day one, and then found him innocentish on day two after he was instrumental in lynching a wolf.

2) I find it suspicious when people (notably, you) deliberately avoid voting.

3) I get angry. I think it's amusing that you imagine it's wolfish behavior, since I can't remember a single game where I haven't. Every time, I tell myself I'll keep my cool, and every time I blow it (which probably makes me a tempting target?)

Oh, and apparently it's good to make up your mind early in this game and never change it, no matter what new information comes to light. Which, I suppose, explains why you're making such a show of doing just that.

I know better than to try to convince you of everything, but I wish you'd stop messing with my radar. We can't afford to go wrong toDay, and I've gone wrong in the past because your posts made so little sense to me I decided they must be evil. I don't want to make that mistake again.

Does that even make sense, given the circumstances? There's no Seer for whom Shasta could have been mistaken, and I don't see that he was going after Legate *that* strongly, such that a Legwolf would need to eliminate him anyway.

I can't speak for anybody else, but I was thinking of Shasta's intuition, which has a very good track record, and in a game without a seer, could sway people.

[Rikae]

At any rate, when I saw Shasta's post it made me slightly more concerned about Legate, and I was waiting to hear what else he'd say about it.

I wish I knew whether Legate would put that kind of stock in Shasta, or realize that I would or anyone else might. I suppose the fact that he mentioned it at all suggests he does.

[Nerwen]

At any rate, when I saw Shasta's post it made me slightly more concerned about Legate, and I was waiting to hear what else he'd say about it.

I wish I knew whether Legate would put that kind of stock in Shasta, or realize that I would or anyone else might. I suppose the fact that he mentioned it at all suggests he does.
I'd be the last person to discount my sun in splendour's psychic abilities, but the hypothesis here is that either the wolves went: "ARRRGH! Shasta's on to Legwolf!" or "Tee hee, everyone will *think* that". And that seems rather wolfy reasoning to me. Except, of course, there's four of you doing it...

[Rikae]

I'd be the last person to discount my sun in splendour's psychic abilities, but the hypothesis here is that either the wolves went: "ARRRGH! Shasta's on to Legwolf!" or "Tee hee, everyone will *think* that". And that seems rather wolfy reasoning to me. Except, of course, there's four of you doing it...
Shasta was quite dramatic about it, after all.
Immediate thought while skimming - Legate is a wolf!

Now to figure out why my brain elected to say that... :rolleyes:
and
Hm. I'm not going to be able to post quotes until I get home from work, but for now - post 57, specifically the bit about Lommy; it read to me as "I think she's suspicious, but I don't, but I do."

Now, Lommy herself I could maybe see doing that. But Legate?

Granted, from what I've read this far Legate appears to have been fairly instrumental in the Inzil lynch yesterday, and I know several people seem to have perfectly good reasons to think him innocent at this juncture. I just wanted to get my first impression down. I'll need to do some more reading.
And then
Leave me alone, it's hard to argue with a feeling. :(

And he voted for him.

Here's what Legate said:
I would say that Shasta's death points more than to anything else to the fact that the WWs want to make quiet kills and leave the rest of the village to squabble among themselves, and to let the louder villagers go after each other's throats. Although it should be noted that Shasta actually need not have been very quiet had he actually gotten the chance to appear and post toDay, and in fact, his last minutes he started being quite vocal and I daresay sounding quite a lot like an invested innocent, so that might have been also part of the motivation. He initially suspected and voted me, and raised questions regarding sally, Rikae and Eomer's voting and interactions. Any of these might have played a role (bringing attention of the village to the people in question, or stopping him before he could make up his mind on any of these, etc. It might also have been pure elimination process; such as WWs going through the list of names "we're not killing this one, they could be suspected" and being simply left with Shasta, or somesuch).
He was the first to bring it up, but as one of a long list of possibilities.
I said:
Legate has been playing very innocentishly, and I also doubt he would kill Shasta when it would point so strongly back to him.
Then Lommy said:
Re: Shasta - ??? No trace kill? Legate is a wolf who wanted pressure off his back? The wolves want to frame Legate?
and about Legate's post
The contrast is quite stark with Legate being the second thing that popped into my mind and him downplaying Shasta's accusations of him. (Of course, an innocent would know another villager wasn't killed because he suspected him, but this also looks a bit too much like a wolf explaining away killing someone who was suspecting him.)
And Greenie votes him for it
Too conveniently attempting to guide the village's perception of events in his favour, as in "all Inzil voters likely to be innocent" or downplaying Shasta's suspicions of him and thus his possible connection to the kill.

Now, for my part, I wasn't paying much attention to his list and how he listed it. As soon as I saw the narration I was reminded of the connection and asked myself whether Legwolf would kill Shasta.

What Lommy's saying about him downplaying it, well, I can't call it farfetched, because it was a notable thing Shasta did. Saying he downplayed it, though, as if it pointed directly and straightforwardly at him? That's strange.

Greenie... is either convinced by Lommy's argument, or conveniently latching onto it as an excuse, and I really can't get a feel for which. She's been playing rather cautiously overall, and I can't remember from other games whether or not that's typical for her.

[Nerwen]

They are upgrading the service here and my connection keeps going out. It's making this very hard.

[Nerwen]

Greenie is generally a pretty cautious player, in any role.

[Nerwen]

Really can't get a read on her at the moment.

[Rikae]

Well, if Sally's determined to vote for me, the only options now are people who already have a vote, anyway.

[Nerwen]

Who is left to vote? You, me and Sally?

I'm getting worried one of you is a wolf waiting to see how I vote so you can climb on to it...

[Nerwen]

Sally seems to have disappeared, anyway.

[satansaloser2005]

Well, if Sally's determined to vote for me, the only options now are people who already have a vote, anyway.

See, the problem is there's no point in voting for someone if no one else does, especially at this stage, and we can't afford to waste votes.

Again, I don't feel comfortable voting Legate, which leaves Lommy or introducing a new candidate. I can't make up my mind on Lommy, which I guess is never a good sign.


x'd with some Nerwens


P.S. I give up, Moddwen. ;)

[satansaloser2005]

Who is left to vote? You, me and Sally?

I'm getting worried one of you is a wolf waiting to see how I vote so you can climb on to it...

If I were a wolf, I'd have voted for Eomer yesterDay rather than tie it all up. I may play coy sometimes, but I'm not that thick. :p

[Nerwen]

If I were a wolf, I'd have voted for Eomer yesterDay rather than tie it all up. I may play coy sometimes, but I'm not that thick. :p
Sometimes wolves gamble- but yes, it's a point in your favour, and I don't quite get why peopke seem to be ignoring it toDay.

[satansaloser2005]

You'll notice I'm completely ignoring the fact that Nerwen could be a wolf. I'm hoping this is not a mistake.

Nerwen, if you'd like me to vote first, I can do that. As long as, you know, it's not voting for me. The only innocence I can be entirely sure of is my own. :rolleyes:

[Rikae]

Don't trust Sally.

++Legate

[satansaloser2005]

++Lommy

I guess?


x'd since my last

[Nerwen]

Nah, I'll vote

++Lommy

Not even close to being sure about this, though...

Edit: x'd with Sally and Rikae.

[satansaloser2005]

Don't trust Sally.

++Legate

So if I'm not to be trusted, why didn't you vote me and (I think) tie it up?


x'd with Nerwen

[Rikae]

:mad:

If you'd done that two seconds earlier, Sally, I would have joined you.

[Rikae]

So if I'm not to be trusted, why didn't you vote me and (I think) tie it up?


x'd with Nerwen

I didn't trust you to not to vote for me pointlessly. Doesn't mean you're a wolf.

[satansaloser2005]

Not even close to being sure about this, though...

Somewhat of a ditto, but I think it's our best option at the moment.

[Oddwen]

Voting is closed. I count a tie between lommy & legate, a die will be rolled shortly.

[Nerwen]

Moddess, does my vote count? I posted before DL but then it took ages to go through.

[Oddwen]

The deadly die was thrown and the odds had fallen against Legate.

Because his body was so pickled he didn't bleed much when they stabbed him, but those few seconds he wasn't able to drink pushed him into a fatal withdrawal from which he never recovered. They waited for anything funny to happen but nothing did. His metabolic processes are now history. He's off the twig. He's shuffled off his mortal coil, run down the curtain and joined the bleedin' choir invisible! THIS ISh, but those few seconds he wasn't able to drink pushed him into a fatal withdrawal from which he never recovered. His metabolic processes are now history. He's off the twig. He's shuffled off his mortal coil, run down the curtain and joined the bleedin' choir invisible! THIS IS AN EX-LEGATE!


There was a short round of confused screaming, somebody suggested nailing him to the bar, but in the end they buried him under the pile of mushrooms.

Dead:

Oddwen,
Inziladun, WEREWOLF
aganzir, VILLAGER
Eomer of the Rohirrim, VILLAGER
Shasta, VILLAGER
Legate, VILLAGER

Living:

A Little Green
Thinlomien
satanisaloser2005
Kath
Rikae
Nerwen


It is now Night.

[Oddwen]

Yet another day dawned. How many had there been, millions? Well, probably in the grand scheme of things, yes. It seemed like it that week though. They wondered why the Wolves didn't kill all of them in their beds and be done with it. Then they smelled it. An enchanting aroma - decadent, savory - Had Nerwen found her elusive dream recipe at last?

Nope. I doubt she dreamed of cannibalizing herself. Well, I mean, the realm of dreams is strange and varied and I can't say for certain she hadn't. Many there would dream of that scene for the rest of their lives, for instance.

"Son of a bisque!" they cried.

Things were getting very close...

------------------


Dead:

Oddwen - A Visitor, beheaded and hidden under mushrooms.
Inziladun - Town Layabout, fenris'd on Day one, Werewolf
aganzir - The Butcher, dismembered on Night two, Villager
Eomer of the Rohirrim - Tavern-keep, stabbed on Day two, Villager
Shasta - A Baker of Bread (and only Bread), be-breadedon Night three, Villager
Legate of Amon Lanc -Town Drunk, was teetotalled on Day three, Villager
Nerwen - A Soup Artist who is Souper at their job, in hot water on Night four, Villager

Living:

A Little Green - Mad Gardener and Cat/Goat Lady
Thinlomien- The Housewife
satanisaloser2005 - Town Bard
Kath - A Farmer, trying their hand at a new potentially lucrative crop: mushrooms!
Rikae - A Candlestick Maker (but not a maker of candles)

It is now Day four. Wolves stop PMing.

[satansaloser2005]

Okay, so we officially know it wasn't me. Were I a wolf in this situation, I would have killed Rikae, both for the sake of confusion and because then the Night kills would have been the butcher, the baker, and the candlestick maker.

[A Little Green]

If we lynch an ordo toDay, we lose.

Off to reread, back soon.

[A Little Green]

OK dearies I did some reading, and here's what I've got on all of you. Sorry for the messy formatting!

Day 1

Rikae: optimism (looking forwards to a game based on reasoning rather than gifteds)
as opposed to
Lommy: pessimism (true to her style - though she seemed very aware of this and even made it out that she is supposed to be pessimistic about the game so she will)
Kath → Eomer, a random vote
Lommy: list where no one is suspicious, contemplates voting Inzil because he's always a wolf (!!! if they were wolves together this is hilarious)
Lommy: now contemplates voting Nerwen because she won't vote anyway
Lommy → Legate for sounding like a parody of himself, suggesting keeping the lynch options limited to a few
Rikae: thinks Legate seems more ”pretending to be helpful” and ”making a show of thinking like an innocent” than Inzil
Sally: IC post, crickets
Rikae & Sally: no vote

Note. Both Lommy and Rikae could be seen as trying to direct attention/suspicion away from Inzil; both Lommy's vote and Rikae's comment about pretending to be helpful came at a time when Inzil was beginning to gain votes. Meanwhile, Kath and Sally were not around so can't read anything into their reactions to the Inzil lynch.


Day 2

Lommy: reactions to the kill and the lynch:
3) Agan? So the time we don't argue she dies early? Unfair. I can't think of much except that she voted Inzil if I recall correctly.

4) speaking of Inzil, good riddance. I am really happy you late-night crowd followed my suggestion to vote well.(Something here looks forced. Sad the wolves killed someone, happy the village lynched a wolf?)
Rikae: explains no-vote (would have voted Legate), now thinks Legate is more likely innocent, says my vote looks more like wolf-on-wolf, and Eomer's safe vote bugged her.
Sally: explains no-vote, reacts to the Agan kill: ”rude and uncalled for”, before they had time to fight (very close to what Lommy had to say about it)
Rikae: commenting on other people's stuff, criticising Sally, elaborating on why my vote for Inzil looks like wolf-on-wolf and why Eomer's vote was safe
Rikae: latches onto Legate's pointing out of a ”wolf slip” by Eomer
Lommy: says Sally washed her hands of the mess by not voting, then speculates on whether a wolf would still have cast a throwaway vote; answers Rikae and Nerwen about her suspicion of Legate and underlines again how she was shooting in the dark really; makes a list: Sally is fishy, if Kath is a wolf she'll sail right past us, Rikae seems helpful but was too quick to jump on Eomer's supposed slip. Legate is more likely innocent.
Rikae: spat with Eomer, suspects him for jumpiness and defensiveness
Rikae → Eomer
Lommy → Sally (has not contributed much, all contributions eyebrow-raising)
Sally: further explains the no-vote
Kath: criticises Sally, says the no-vote was possibly too cowardly for a wolf as it brings attention to her the next Day, comments on the Inzil lynch and the Agan kill:
As to Inzil, that was an interesting bandwagon. Greenie then Agan then Legate if my reading is right. Now Inzil was bothered by Greenie's vote, saying it felt dodgy. But when push came to shove at the end he switched to saying Legate's vote was worst and attention should be focused that way. Possibly an early wolf on wolf from Greenie to Inzil, and when it took hold Inzil trying to pish suspicion onto Legate to clear Greenie? But really that seems unnecessarily complicated for Day 1!

Agan had a few suspcions yesterDay but really nothing very strong. She voted Inzil and mentioned sally, Rikae and Kath besides but at varying degrees of maybeness and metaness. Killed because there's another wolf in the list? Or because there isn't but the wolves want us to focus on all her stuff when there's nothing more there? I guess we lynch sally, Rikae and me and we have our answer! (Rikae already pointed out the first part doesn't make sense. As for the second part - considering the situation we're in now, that doesn't sound like such a bad plan. :D Seriously though, there's something eerie about that passage.)
Kath: thinks the Eomer-Rikae spat is fun
Kath → Sally (for taking an easy out)
Sally: list, thinks Lommy and I are more likely innocent (Lommy for genuine frustration, me for voting Legate instead of her), has no read on Kath, and thinks Rikae is suspicious for pressing Eomer harder than is necessary
Sally → Rikae


Day 3

Rikae: explains her Eomer vote, is confused by Sally but thinks she's more innocentishly weird than wolf-weird, thinks Lommy is creepy and I'm reasonable, has no read on Kath
Lommy: feels Eomer was an easy lynch; now suspects Legate again for being non-committal and for downplaying Shasta's suspicions of him
Lommy: makes a list: Sally and Legate are suspicious, Rikae and me creepy (Rikae for being trigger-happy and me for doing things that would be strategically convenient for a wolf), Kath a happy ordo
Lommy → Sally, less mixed feelings than about Legate
Kath → Legate, says she's ”jumping on a bandwagon with Greenie”, followed by:
I will say that I was reluctant to argue myself out of having suspicion of either Inzil.voter yesterDay. The logic seemed sound but my gut feels either Greenie or Legate could easily be nasty wolvses throwing a fellow wolf out there to make themselves look good. I still feel sally is suspicious. The vote avoidance was just odd and any defences she has tried to put forth haven't really helped.(This is possibly the single oddest post in the entire game. She puts Legate and me on an even footing as possible "nasty wolves", then openly follows my lead in voting Legate, and in the next breath, says Sally is suspicious, actually on much clearer terms than what she said about Legate or me. ???)
Sally: is taken aback by Rikae no longer suspecting her (did she ever?) and answers my doubts about the soundness of suspecting someone for being part of a spat:
But in a village this small, the odds are fairly high that any given spat would involve a wolf; after all, over a quarter of our number were wolves. More to the point, I've seen Rikae get in numerous arguments before, and this is the way a wolf Rikae often acts. (A bit more on this shortly.)(This doesn't make sense, either; if Eomer and Rikae's spat was suspicious simply because according to the odds there's likely to be a wolf in any pair of players, you're de facto suspecting them for being in the game, not for having a spat.)
Rikae: summarises Days 1 and 2, conclusions: Lommy and I are fishy, Kath is a possibility though there isn't much to go on, finds Sally normal, including ”the single-minded persecution” of herself
Rikae: asks if anyone would be up for voting Lommy or me
Sally: long post elaborating why Rikae is suspicious, mainly for being inconsistent (again not making sense; inconsistency in itself isn't suspicious, especially if circumstances change. She also seems to have mixed up Rikae's criticism of her as suspicion, and then accuses Rikae of being inconsistent when she doesn't suspect her)
Rikae: defends herself from Sally's accusations
Rikae: analyses Legate and Shasta's connections and my and Lommy's interpretations of them
Rikae, Sally and Nerwen: mutual distrust, no one wants to vote first, negotiation
Sally: ”if I was a wolf I would have voted Eomer” (quite possibly true, but an odd comment for an innocent")
Rikae → Legate ”don't trust Sally”
Sally → Lommy (cross with Rikae)
Rikae: would also have voted Lommy if Sally had voted earlier


...and that's it! To sum up - Sally is acting odd and I'd really suspect her, but on reading the thread again, I don't find a single possible fellow for her! Kath's vote for her on Day 2 would have been bold to the point of foolishness after Inzil was lynched on Day 1. The same goes for Lommy, and also the identical reactions to the Agan kill speak against those two being fellows. I'd say Rikae was the most likely candidate with her relative certainty of Sally's innocence despite Sally's continued attacks on her. However, I sincerely doubt that a Sallywolf would have taken such pains to make such a single-minded case against a fellow wolf. So - I'm leaning towards thinking Sally is innocent, just by elimination.

Possible duos.

Rikae and Kath - don't really interact much.
Lommy and Kath - also don't interact much except for Lommy putting Kath alone in her "innocent fluffy bunnies" list or whatever it was.
Rikae and Lommy - possible, but quite unlikely; they both tried to turn attention from Inzil to Legate on Day 1, and I don't think they would both have done it if they were fellows.

...which leaves me to conclude that Kath is the most likely wolf of the bunch!

[A Little Green]

Need sleep, I have an insanely early call tomorrow.

++Kath

Best I've got. Choose well (and do turn up please, it's lonely here).

[Thinlómien]

I am here, but I can only play on my phone and I'm super occupied too. (On a summer cottage with friends.) I want to apologize again for my crappy participation in this game!

And if Greenie and Kath are both innocent the village just lost the game. :eek:

So, better hope it's Sally and Rikae then.

So wait, actually that means I should vote one of them because nothing else matters anyway at this point??

I am getting headache. I'd also like to reread. And analyze. But I'm a little short on time.

So I'll be just lurking here for a time, hoping someone appears and solves my dilemma for me or that I have more time to post. Where is everyone anyway?

[Kath]

I know I have been little help in this game, but I will say that I am innocent. Killing me will lose it for the village. I will be around more in a bit.

[Rikae]

Well, no wolf has jumped on Greenie's vote yet, so I'm going to tentatively assume one out of she & Kath is a wolf. If not, no point in any of this anyhow.

I'm still leaning strongly toward Lommy being a wolf, especially since Nerwen was the night kill. If I recall correctly, Lommy & Greenie as packmates didn't make sense... I'm going to have to go look over everything too, but it's going to have to be later. I'm making dinner right now.

EDIT: X'd with Kath.

[Thinlómien]

Well, no more werewolf for me today.

And Greenie decided the outcome already, didn't she?

++Kath

[satansaloser2005]

Hello! Sorry. I had an extreme technical difficulty with my main laptop. I'm here again.


EDIT: x'd with Lommy :eek:

[Kath]

Right, vote tallies:

Day 1:
Kath --> Eomer
Greenie --> Inzil
Lommy --> Legate
Agan --> Inzil
Legate --> Inzil
Inzil --> Legate
Eomer --> Kath
No vote: sally, Shasta, Rikae, Nerwen
Inzil lynched, Agan Night killed.

Day 2:
Greenie --> Legate
Rikae --> Eomer
Lommy --> sally
Kath --> sally
Legate --> Eomer
Eomer --> Rikae
sally --> Rikae
Nerwen --> Eomer
Shasta --> Legate
Eomer lynched, Shasta Night killed

Day 3:
Greenie --> Legate
Lommy --> sally
Kath --> Legate
Legate --> Lommy
Rikae --> Legate
sally --> Lommy
Nerwen --> Lommy
Legate lynched, Nerwen Night killed

[Rikae]

Aw, and I was looking forward to toying with them all day. :D

++Kath

[satansaloser2005]

Bloody....well, us, I guess. :(

[Kath]

What the ...? I'm kind of being forced to assume Lommy is definitely a wolf for that vote. Am I very wrong here? I mean, with Lommy, sally, Greenie, Rikae and me that makes 5 people. How does Greenie voting me 'decide the outcome'? I have two votes now (thanks Lommy) but there are three to come. We can still get a wolf.

[Kath]

Ohhhh I see. Well now we can't then.

[satansaloser2005]

++Rikae

For posterity.

My lack of money is on Lommy as the other wolf. I suspected it yesterDay right after Rikae's vote, but didn't have time to say anything.

[Kath]

Hey sally, fancy voting me as well? And I'll self-vote? We can go out in a blaze of glory! :D

[satansaloser2005]

++Phantom for representative (with full temporary voting rights)

[Kath]

Awwww boo sally!

[satansaloser2005]

Hey sally, fancy voting me as well? And I'll self-vote? We can go out in a blaze of glory! :D

Oh no, I'm sorry, love!

[Kath]

Pfft I'm doing it anyway.

++KATH

[Kath]

Moddwen! Moddwen! Come take me away from this evil place. :D

[satansaloser2005]

Pfft I'm doing it anyway.

++KATH

I'll be a lone wolf and, more accurately, vote for one. :smokin:

[Rikae]

++Rikae

For posterity.

My lack of money is on Lommy as the other wolf. I suspected it yesterDay right after Rikae's vote, but didn't have time to say anything.

Well, if she wasn't, this would look pretty strange.

And Greenie decided the outcome already, didn't she?

[Oddwen]

Doubt was on everyone's mind that morning...would they kill another innocent villager?

"It's Kath!" cried Greenie. "I know it must be!"

"You know what?" said Lommy with a toothy grin. "I think you're right!"

"Me too," growled Rikae.

"Um," said Kath. "No?"

"Um, yes," retorted Rikae. With a snarl, he ripped Kath's head clean off her body.

"UmmmmmmUUHHHHHHH," said Greenie. "Maybe we've gotten ahead of ourselves?"

Sally looked worried. "Yeah. If I counted right, we're now neck-and-neck. Maybe we can put...her head....back on.....?"

"No take-backsies!" howled Rikae. Thinlomien joined him, their duet echoing off of the buildings and hills and trees (but not mushrooms).

Greenie unveiled her secret weapon....she had been growing the hottest peppers known to humankind!!

...unfortunately, wolfkind was a bit more tolerant of these things.

"Soooooo spicy!" shrieked Greenie.

"Stop! In the name of love!" wailed Sally, calling on people who weren't even there.

Oh, but you have been playing for far too long to think they actually would stop. Evisceration, disembowelment, be-limbing, cavorting in blood...they all happened. So much.

After there was nothing left to kill, Lommy and Rikae surveyed the abandoned village. Already a thin layer of dust had settled over most of it.
They set fire to the buildings to try and hide the evidence.

"Should we lure more people here?" wondered Rikae.

"Nah," said Lommy. "Let the mushrooms have this place. There are many more villages out there. I think our fun is just beginning."

"I like fun," replied Rikae. "I"m a fun-gi."

Lommy rolled her eyes. What was she spore'sd to do? Eventually she wouldn't be able to take the puns any morel, but for now, this victory was a feather in her cap.

Had Kath the farmer been alive, she may have been willing to tell people of the peculiar qualities of these particular mushrooms. As she wasn't alive and probably would not have been willing to tell two murderous werewolves anyway, the secret died with her.

Well, it nearly died.

As the fire reached the tavern cellar full of mushrooms, an explosion rocked the land, raising a cloud to the heavens and carving a crater into the hells. Nobody would be able to tell a village had been there, and nobody would be able to tell what had happened to the inhabitants.

Rikae and Lommy walked away from the explosion looking as cool as moderately singed wolves could be.



WOLVES WIN!

[Rikae]

Yay!

You know, for a game with no seer, that was not easy. Such a small village, nowhere to hide (as, I think, Legate pointed out)... whew.

And yeah, Sally, your wolf-radar was scary. You had me worried there for a while.

[Inziladun]

I was once in a pack with the legendary Fea, who described herself as a "skinny piece of lynch-bait". I think that is perfectly applicable to me as well. :rolleyes:
At least I avoided leaving any obvious trails to my mates, though being fenrised makes that a bit easier.

A beautiful job from Lommy and Rikae! Nice deflection work!

Thanks for the game, Oddwen. And it was great playing with everyone, as always. :)

[Thinlómien]

*high five*

This was a crazy game though, the quietest I played in ages. And we kept lynching the louder players, and I can't say we exactly avoided killing loudmouths either.

I wish I'd had more time, too - Day1 was kind of a normal day but Days 2 and 3 I basically had something to do since I woke up until I went to sleep (while sleeping too little :rolleyes: ) and I no longer can play ww at work even a bit. And Day4 I was on the countryside with friends. It was just crazy, and had I been an ordo, I think I would've just kill-baited myself very hard.

(Speaking of ploys, I did want to have one in my sleeve, especially as there was talk of special things before the game. I was kind of keeping the option of a fake seer reveal open until about Day3. :D)

But yeah, I don't know how come being a wolf is so difficult, but it just is. But I do have clarify you folks suspected me for the wrong reasons. :Merisu: I definitely didn't try to save Inzil - I didn't even realise my voting Legate could constitute as such. I actually really wanted to give him a second vote because I didn't think he'd get lynched anyway (lol) and it might look good later, but I didn't want to do it because I hadn't really suspected him at all except for the comment about him always being a wolf. (And hey, just for the record, I think I'd have said it as an ordo too, there was literally nothing much else to say on early Day1.)

[Rikae]

But I do have clarify you folks suspected me for the wrong reasons. :Merisu:

I hate it when they do that. :D Like it being "wolfish reasoning" to say the Shasta kill had to do with his reputation: it did, at least for my part!

Or the "filp flop" on Legate: I would have loved to keep going after Legate, but I figured he'd made himself too innocent looking with his vote.

[Nerwen]

Well played, wolves!

I hate it when they do that. :D Like it being "wolfish reasoning" to say the Shasta kill had to do with his reputation: it did, at least for my part!
Yes, that's exactly what I meant.:p

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Congratulations wolves! Well played in the days and smart kills at night.

I think the villagers need to be a bit disappointed with themselves, though. Lynching me ahead of Rikae was pretty much unforgiveable (obviously :p ) and I was actually yelling at my screen when I saw that Legate had been lynched.

Praise be to Oddwen for her always entertaining modding.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Well, congrats Wolves! And thanks to my fellow villagers, except for those who lynched me for utterly ridiculous reasons. As usual. ;)

I would second that this game was a bit too quiet, obviously it had a lot to do with the assortment of DLs and with the size of the village. Nonetheless, it was nice to play again. Thanks to Moddwen!

I hate it when they do that. Like it being "wolfish reasoning" to say the Shasta kill had to do with his reputation: it did, at least for my part!
Well, then it was wolfish reasoning. :cool:

Or the "filp flop" on Legate: I would have loved to keep going after Legate, but I figured he'd made himself too innocent looking with his vote.

Yeah, that actually made me first trust you, and then to start suspecting you because you were still slightly nudging towards "maybe there is something fishy about him..." and keeping the option open for others while saying "but he lynched Zil" and backing away from leading my lynching yourself.

I think the villagers need to be a bit disappointed with themselves, though. Lynching me ahead of Rikae was pretty much unforgiveable (obviously) and I was actually yelling at my screen when I saw that Legate had been lynched.

I wasn't yelling, but I am slowly losing the hope of anyone ever not lynching me because I am who I am. In the last like three years, it's been happening regularly that I was lynched on Day 1, now it might be a few days later - after I had voted for a Wolf in a way that sealed his fate. Now, honestly...

However, I pride myself in hitting two of the Wolves pretty clearly when I was still alive, and just after I died, Aganzir asked me who I thought the WWs were. I said two of Lommy, Rikae or Greenie (I actually then said Rikae and then either Lommy or Greenie, because after my lynch I was certain it was Rikae, whereas I started being unsure about my previous suspect Lommy).

Sorry for not trusting you, Eomer, because in hindsight I should have gone with my hunch that what you were doing was simply how innocent behaves. I got the very same thing right later with Sally though, who started being clearly more innocent when she started posting more. (An idea for the future, Sally? ;) )

[Inziladun]

I wasn't yelling, but I am slowly losing the hope of anyone ever not lynching me because I am who I am. In the last like three years, it's been happening regularly that I was lynched on Day 1, now it might be a few days later - after I had voted for a Wolf in a way that sealed his fate. Now, honestly...

Welcome to the club, brother. :D

[Rikae]

Well, then it was wolfish reasoning. :cool:


You don't know how tempted I was to blurt that out at the time. :rolleyes:

Yeah, that actually made me first trust you, and then to start suspecting you because you were still slightly nudging towards "maybe there is something fishy about him..." and keeping the option open for others while saying "but he lynched Zil" and backing away from leading my lynching yourself.

Yeah, that was a pretty conscious choice. "Now I'll butter Legate up... Now I have to lay the groundwork to vote for him, even though it'll make me look more suspicious.". Like walking a tightrope.