Werewolf CXIII: Death at Deadmen's Dike - GAME THREAD

[Galadriel55]

The once grand city of Fornost Erain has long decayed into complete ruin. Over the years, the empty stones became home to many a creature. The Breelanders and other peaceful folk tells stories of the horrors that live at Deadmen's Dike, as the place became known. For many years the creatures prospered, until a vicious gang came down from the mountains. They were werewolves, shapeshifters. In the night, they slaughtered and hid the good ghouls and wights and mewlips and took their shape in the day, and planned to murder all the local residents one by one. But little did they know that among the simple creatures lived those with power to thwart them- and yet there also lived one who would do much to be accepted into their group.

NIGHT ONE BEGINS. WOLVES MAY TALK AMONGST THEMSELVES. SEER MAY DREAM. ALL OTHERS REST (special roles - just please confirm by PM that you got the role from the second round).

Living Players:
Inzil- surprise creature
Rune - slightly unsettling fox
Nerwen - Barrow Wight
Sally - Boo Joe, a teacup Pomeranian with abnormally sharp teeth and a Napoleon complex
Boro - a warg bred for a single purpose, never being on time
Lalaith - fell voice on the air
Pitch - undead vampire bat
Huinesoron - inverted gorcrow
Morsul - demigorgon
Shasta

Tally:
2 wolves (definitely not 3, as I almost had it!)
8 innocents: Moon Moon, Seer, Ranger, 5 ordos

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Edit: for those unsure about the deadline, this post was made 22 minutes late, after DL.

[Galadriel55]

Day 1 begins (half an hour ago :o). Narration to be edited in.

By the way, since my schedule is so irregular now these couple weeks, those who are around at DL should feel free to poke and prod be through any means if I am late with the post. I can send my contact info to interested people so you can bombard me with messages if I'm being neglectful. :)


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"There is too much folk coming ro live here, it's getting crowded," said a fell voice on the air.

"Ah, this place is not like Taur-nu-Fuin of old!" pined am undead bat in echo, "these broken stones are a poor dwelling next to the tall pines of my youth!"

A fox joined the group, bidding everyone good morning individually and shaking their hand just a little too long for comfort.

They were having breakfast when "Surprise!" - a sudden cry came from behind a large stone. Startled, a teacup pomeranian in a bicorne hat dropped her food. "How many times do you need to be told to stop doing that?" she yelled at the offender, "This is your last warning! I will not have it any longer!"

The morning went on as usual until the absence of a normally abnoxiously talkative person was noticed. "Where is the Blossom of Dwimmordene?" the demigorgon asked. The search began.

The body was found dropped from a cliff. The gorcrow and the warg climbed down to investigate (though the warg was twenty minutes late in coming). They found a note crumpled in the lifeless hand.

"Two werewolves. Shapeshifters. Plan to kill everyone. Their nam..."

Everyone sighed in disappointment as the note trailed off leaving the names untold.


LIVING
Inzil- surprise creature
Rune - slightly unsettling fox
Nerwen - Barrow Wight
Sally - Boo Joe, a teacup Pomeranian with abnormally sharp teeth and a Napoleon complex
Boro - a warg bred for a single purpose, never being on time
Lalaith - fell voice on the air
Pitch - undead vampire bat
Huinesoron - inverted gorcrow
Morsul - demigorgon
Shasta

[Huinesoron]

Fell deeds have occured this night; one of our own is slain, and it wouldn't even be polite to nibble on the corpse. (What? I'm a carrion bird, it's hard not to think about this stuff!)

The Blossom lies dead, and by her own hand has identified her killers. Werewolves! Cursed canines from the dark years. And if it is wolves we face, then ought we not to look first to the confessed canines among us?

Rune the fox; Sally Boo Joe the diminutive hound; Boro the warg; will you denounce these murderous kinsfolk of yours, or do you stand in league with them in the grim night?

(Of course it is nothing at all to go on, but the hours pass; carrion is easiest found while warm, and the same goes for murderers. A little suspicion might shake something loose.)

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

Rune the fox; Sally Boo Joe the diminutive hound; Boro the warg; will you denounce these murderous kinsfolk of yours, or do you stand in league with them in the grim night?


I don't see why I should have to denounce anything! The Vulpini clan has had no dealings with the Canina clan for generations. Perhaps all Canidae looks the same to you!?

Personally I abhore violence, though in this case I say: "let's find these murderous swine and nuke them to hell!".

[Nerwen]

A dark figure loomed behind the mourners, the icy glow of its pale eyes like remote and baleful stars.

"Cold be heart and limbs so stiff,"
it moaned chillingly, in a voice desolate as the winter wind,
"and cold be sleep at base of cliff.
Unfinished the note in lifeless hand,
unnamed the ones with evil plans.
There shall she lie until the seas
dry in the Dark Lord's withering breeze-

-Wait, does anyone have a better rhyme for 'seas'? I'd really like to give the poor Blossom a hideous dirge worthy of her, and "breeze" just doesn't seem to fit the mood I'm going for."

[Boromir88]

-Wait, does anyone have a better rhyme for 'seas'? I'd really like to give the poor Blossom a hideous dirge worthy of her, and "breeze" just doesn't seem to fit the mood I'm going for."

Trees? Knees? Sneeze? Fleas?

I don't know I wasn't bred for the purpose of writing laments for the dead.

[Boromir88]

Freeze...ease...jeez...deez...bees...bees-neez...pleas...plain white tees...fees...sees...wheeze...

[Huinesoron]

Drop to a half-rhyme and use 'gaze'?

Are we hunting murderers or rhymes here, anyway?

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

Words can hurt too, man.

If they can hurt, then surely they can kill as well. :D

[Lalaith]

"Death to cattle, death to kindred, death to every mortal man..."

The fell voice on the air echoed across the ruins of Fornost Erain...as it so often did.
The voice halted briefly over the broken Blossom.
"But one thing never dies...the good name of one who has won renown".

Alas poor friend...I would tarry a while to pay her a tribute of lament. But then we must gird our collective loins, be they animal, vegetable, mineral or ethereal, to heed the warning she left us...where to start looking? Not all of us are met, yet...

[Inziladun]

Why must those murderous outsiders come here to disturb us? Isn't there room enough for them over all the woods and fields those on two legs shun?

I can see this a job indeed. Would that a warrior of some sort was among us. Like this fellow:

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[Boromir88]

Drop to a half-rhyme and use 'gaze'?

Are we hunting murderers or rhymes here, anyway?

What would Fezzik say?
Do you not want to play?

Ok, ok, no more rhymes. I mean it.
*think serious**think serious*
Look out for the PIT!

[Huinesoron]

What would Fezzik say?
Do you not want to play?

Ok, ok, no more rhymes. I mean it.
*think serious**think serious*
Look out for the PIT!

A poet? So be it.

In Deadmen's Dike the dead still dwell
And countless creatures grim and fell
Who harry mortals who chance by.
Yet though Men from this place will fly
An older fear lies o'er the land,
A darkness from the Dark Lord's hand.

The Blossom falls, yet all in mirth
Cavort the creatures of the earth
And sky, who ought by rights to seek
Her slayers dire. The noisome reek
Of werewolves rises from her grave.
Yet who shall seek this town to save?

Not Boromir, who poems cries
While Blossom's soul in anguish sighs!
Thrice he has spoken, thrice in jest,
Delighting the Wight (and all the rest).
So to find the one who wrought this fate,
I look to the warg who's always late!

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

I am all for a bit of early day one banter and randomness, but are we really going to let the wolves hide behind rhymes?


Anyways, Huinesoron would you like to elaborate on the lines below?


Not Boromir, who poems cries
While Blossom's soul in anguish sighs!
Thrice he has spoken, thrice in jest,
Delighting the Wight (and all the rest).
So to find the one who wrought this fate,
I look to the warg who's always late

[Huinesoron]

I am all for a bit of early day one banter and randomness, but are we really going to let the wolves hide behind rhymes?

Anyways, Huinesoron would you like to elaborate on the lines below?

Sure:

Boro - a warg bred for a single purpose, never being on time


That. :)

Beyond that final line, I was indicating that I find Boro's three posts without anything other than rhyming banter to be the mildest of suspicious. Yes, it's early Day One and all - but to make that many posts without even a single mention of the whole werewolf/murder thing seems a bit odd. I thought it was strange after two posts (hence my question, 'Are we hunting murderers or rhymes?'); his lack of a shift in response to that was enough for me to throw out the more explicit post in verse.

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

Sure:



That. :)

Beyond that final line, I was indicating that I find Boro's three posts without anything other than rhyming banter to be the mildest of suspicious. Yes, it's early Day One and all - but to make that many posts without even a single mention of the whole werewolf/murder thing seems a bit odd. I thought it was strange after two posts (hence my question, 'Are we hunting murderers or rhymes?'); his lack of a shift in response to that was enough for me to throw out the more explicit post in verse.

My bad, I had forgotten Boro's true purpose, so I thought you might be referring to someone else.

I am inclined to agree with you. Boromir's posts are a good way of seeming active/productive, without offering anything in the form of actual progress. Though it probably seem worse than it actually is due to the lack of activity in general...

[Pitchwife]

Sorry folks, this trip took way longer than I hoped it would, due to the wrong kind of snow on the motorway. Catching up now.

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

Sorry folks, this trip took way longer than I hoped it would, due to the wrong kind of snow on the motorway. Catching up now.

Welcome.

I am afraid there isn't too much to catch up on, besides a few lyrical experiments.

[Huinesoron]

I am inclined to agree with you. Boromir's posts are a good way of seeming active/productive, without offering anything in the form of actual progress. Though it probably seem worse than it actually is due to the lack of activity in general...

Yeah, but on the other hand, this feels like an overly-'strong' agreement at this stage. Unless you count my flinging-around of names, no-one had offered any sort of progress (though some very nice poems); I'm afraid your comment is raising my mild suspicions for that mention. (Though without negating my equally mild suspicion of Boro, of course.)

Goodness, wargs to the left of me, foxes to the right, wolves in our midst... whatever is an upside-down gorcrow to do?

[Galadriel55]

In light of the busy voting (*cough*), I made an update to the voting rules to clarify ties: the FIRST person to get the most votes is lynched.

[Boromir88]

My bad, I had forgotten Boro's true purpose, so I thought you might be referring to someone else.

I am inclined to agree with you. Boromir's posts are a good way of seeming active/productive, without offering anything in the form of actual progress. Though it probably seem worse than it actually is due to the lack of activity in general...

Well, I am trying to be active, but I know I'm not being productive. There is little in the form of activity nor productivity going on. As this is a straight forward, no bells and whistles situation, with a few murderers and a couple gifted, I would find anyone showing productivity (by knowing too much information) to be highly suspicious.

With no unusual dynamics that need to be discussed amongst our ragtag band this will be a vanilla Day 1. Nothing big going on, just get through the day with my head attached cross my fingers during the night's slaughter. Just trying to make it abundantly clear I will be actively participating, even if the only thing I could participate in was answering questions about rhymes with breeze and what we're hunting.

[Pitchwife]

Well, there's not as much to catch up to as I had anticipated. Mostly IC banter, but so far nobody has even bothered to address the oliphaunt in the room -- what are we going to call Huinesoron? I'd suggest Hui (rhyming with Louie and Dewey), if that's acceptable.

Whatever, he's tried to stir some discussion with a playful challenge, which is a good thing. Nerwen and Lalaith have been in character so far, and our surprise creature Zil has come out as a kind of berserker raccoon; glad to have that cleared up.

I don't agree with Rune's assessment that
Boromir's posts are a good way of seeming active/productive, without offering anything in the form of actual progress -- I mean, I see no attempt to even seem productive in Boro's posts so far, just fooling around. I say he's Moon Moon and acting extra goofy so as to alert the wolves to his role. Discuss!

EDIT: x-ed with everybody since my last one.

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

Just trying to make it abundantly clear I will be actively participating, even if the only thing I could participate in was answering questions about rhymes with breeze and what we're hunting.

I am also quite eager to be as active as I can, even if I won't be able to stay around to deadline.

Anyways, it seems that things are picking up, and that we are starting to get some useful debate.

Edit: Cross posted with Pitch

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

Well, there's not as much to catch up to as I had anticipated. Mostly IC banter, but so far nobody has even bothered to address the oliphaunt in the room -- what are we going to call Huinesoron? I'd suggest Hui (rhyming with Louie and Dewey), if that's acceptable.

I was thinking something along the lines of Huiny...but Hui probably works better.


I don't agree with Rune's assessment that
-- I mean, I see no attempt to even seem productive in Boro's posts so far, just fooling around. I say he's Moon Moon and acting extra goofy so as to alert the wolves to his role. Discuss!

EDIT: x-ed with everybody since my last one.

Admittedly it is a harsh assessment based on very little, but it is day 1 and we need to get the ball rolling. I find the Moon Moon theory quite plausible though.

[Pitchwife]

Beyond that final line, I was indicating that I find Boro's three posts without anything other than rhyming banter to be the mildest of suspicious. Yes, it's early Day One and all - but to make that many posts without even a single mention of the whole werewolf/murder thing seems a bit odd.
Whereas no wolf has ever hidden behind cries of "woe, murder, everybody start some serious wolf-hunting!", yes? There's being unproductive, and there's trying a bit too hard.

[Huinesoron]

With no unusual dynamics that need to be discussed amongst our ragtag band this will be a vanilla Day 1.

What is a vanilla Day One to you? My premise was that a little bit of heat on people might shake something loose; I've managed to get reactions of one kind or another from you and Rune, which is what I was angling for. Those reactions are now available for everyone to look at and see if they find them suspicious.

A Day One which consists of everyone writing poems and then lynching entirely at random doesn't give any of that. I'm not saying that's what you wanted to happen - but if everyone had posted 'knowing they're not being productive' then that's exactly what we'd get.

...so far nobody has even bothered to address the oliphaunt in the room -- what are we going to call Huinesoron? I'd suggest Hui (rhyming with Louie and Dewey), if that's acceptable.

I normally use the initialism hS (I throw it around as a signature when I remember), but have no problem adapting to a new nickname. :)

I don't agree with Rune's assessment that
-- I mean, I see no attempt to even seem productive in Boro's posts so far, just fooling around. I say he's Moon Moon and acting extra goofy so as to alert the wolves to his role. Discuss!

Now, if we were mortal Men looking for a depressed shoemaker, this would seem like a very odd suggestion (since Boro's behaviour wasn't exactly sowing confusion)... but this is Moon Moon we're discussing. A little excess foolishness to signal being the goofy canine is at least understandable as a plan.

hS, or whatever

(Crossed with everything since the Pitchwife post quoted.)

[Huinesoron]

Whereas no wolf has ever hidden behind cries of "woe, murder, everybody start some serious wolf-hunting!", yes? There's being unproductive, and there's trying a bit too hard.

... and then there's having nothing at all to comment on 14 hours after day start, when you know you'll be gone 3-4 hours before deadline (gorcrows go to bed early, y'know). Visions of seeing nothing in Day One but some poetry were whirling around my head.

Thankfully, that hasn't happened. And if you think sparking off all these reactions is wolfy... well, then you're entitled to your opinion, I guess!

[Pitchwife]

What is a vanilla Day One to you?
Not pretending to speak for Boro, but I suppose he meant Day One in a game with no special roles or rules adding extra game mechanics which need discussing, and in which the phantom isn't playing, hence no ingenious master plans to discuss either.

... and then there's having nothing at all to comment on 14 hours after day start, when you know you'll be gone 3-4 hours before deadline (gorcrows go to bed early, y'know). Visions of seeing nothing in Day One but some poetry were whirling around my head.

Thankfully, that hasn't happened. And if you think sparking off all these reactions is wolfy... well, then you're entitled to your opinion, I guess!
Sharing similar bedtime habits, I can empathise with your predicament. And sparking reactions and getting a discussion on the way is of course the right thing to do on Day 1. I didn't say it was wolfy, just that it isn't necessarily proof of innocence either.

[Inziladun]

I am inclined to agree with you. Boromir's posts are a good way of seeming active/productive, without offering anything in the form of actual progress. Though it probably seem worse than it actually is due to the lack of activity in general...

So Boro could be suspicious. But maybe not. Leaving an out in case you're called on it? :p

what are we going to call Huinesoron? I'd suggest Hui (rhyming with Louie and Dewey), if that's acceptable.

How 'bout just Huey then? He might not appreciate the alternate spelling (http://www.dictionary.com/browse/hooey?s=t).

I mean, I see no attempt to even seem productive in Boro's posts so far, just fooling around. I say he's Moon Moon and acting extra goofy so as to alert the wolves to his role. Discuss!

I'm going to look at his posts and read them backwards while listening to the White Album.


Whereas no wolf has ever hidden behind cries of "woe, murder, everybody start some serious wolf-hunting!", yes? There's being unproductive, and there's trying a bit too hard.

Sensible Pitch is sensible.

What is a vanilla Day One to you? My premise was that a little bit of heat on people might shake something loose; I've managed to get reactions of one kind or another from you and Rune, which is what I was angling for. Those reactions are now available for everyone to look at and see if they find them suspicious.

Overreaction, much?

x/d with Huey and Pitch

[Boromir88]

Yeah, now we're cooking.

Pitch and Rune seem alright, as does Hui...as in not detecting sinister motivations within their posts. Removing myself from my shoes, and stepping into theirs, I would be looking at this Boro in the same way. Definitely an odd one. But I ask them to ponder does goofy mean bad or the cobbler, or a not-so-serious person that has all the time in the world to waste today because he barely gets these moments and wants to make the most of it?


-- I mean, I see no attempt to even seem productive in Boro's posts so far, just fooling around. I say he's Moon Moon and acting extra goofy so as to alert the wolves to his role. Discuss!

EDIT: x-ed with everybody since my last one.

The briefest explanation as to why it's impossible I'm Moon Moon is this...

I'm a warg bred for a single purpose, being Moon Moon just isn't in my DNA. Who calls themselves Moon Moon anyway? Someone who is obsessed with terrible rhyming, probably. Therefor it's probably Nerwen.


A Day One which consists of everyone writing poems and then lynching entirely at random doesn't give any of that. I'm not saying that's what you wanted to happen - but if everyone had posted 'knowing they're not being productive' then that's exactly what we'd get.


A Day when there is no face-value intelligence to go on. No murder, no dead trail, no gifted protections/reveals, no complex strategies that need to be discussed...just people around playing their roles. Everyone's got a part to play and this warg's going to at least have some fun playing his part, even if it's only enjoyable to himself.

Who's to say we HAVE to lynch anyone today? Is a random vote for the goofiest one any different than a random vote for the most talkative? A random vote for the most absent? Who's to say there are even murderers? Or that the only murderer is the Blossom?

[Pitchwife]

I'm going to look at his posts and read them backwards while listening to the White Album.
I said he was Moon Moon, I didn't say he was Aleister Crowley.


Who's to say we HAVE to lynch anyone today?
"Just this once, everybody lives"? Please, not that again. A Day 2 with no lynch, no votes to analyse and draw conclusions from, how would that be different from your vanilla Day 1, and then? Rinse and repeat? I shouldn't even have to explain this, as I know you know that's how it works, so why are you even suggesting this? So you don't have to commit to anything?

[Huinesoron]

Who's to say we HAVE to lynch anyone today?* Is a random vote for the goofiest one any different than a random vote for the most talkative? A random vote for the most absent?

A vote for someone who seemed to be using goofiness as a way to avoid discussion wouldn't be random. But see below.

A quick run-through of those who have posted, to gather my thoughts:

Rune - a bit over-eager to go after Boro, but that's mostly from one post. I'm mostly suspicious because he openly agreed with someone (me), which doesn't seem a safe thing to do in a village with wolves. Other posts haven't really added much, except a brief comment on the BoroMoon theory.

Nerwen - poetry only, nothing to go on.

Boro - lots of DayOneIshness, and a specific statement that:

Just trying to make it abundantly clear I will be actively participating, even if the only thing I could participate in was answering questions about rhymes with breeze and what we're hunting.

Pre-edit: Post 30 is a huge addition to the Boromiric Canon, but I have no idea what it indicates. I think he's dedicating himself to the role of The Goofiest Player, at least for Day One; this actually makes me think he's less likely to be a wolf, because that's a bold stance for an early-game member of a 2-person team. (He may still be MoonMoonIsh, though.)

Lalaith - Poetry only.

Zil - Only one post of substance, but it isn't afraid to point fingers. On the other hand, one of those fingers feels like it might be tagging onto Pitchwife's 'trying a bit too hard' comment - if Zil thought Pitch suspected me, then the 'Sensible Pitch' and 'Overreaction' combo in post 29 might be an attempt to cozy up to her (so to speak).

Pitch - seems really helpful. Has answered questions, offered theories, and commented on actions.

I think that's everyone?

At this point, Rune is probably the one I have least-weak suspicions against. He's up to... seven posts, I think, but they feel very sparse on actual hunting (much like he suggested Boro could be doing). The only real accusation is a spin-off and expansion of my own comment. If I had to vote now, I guess I'd vote for him.

hS/Hui/Huey/Huiny/Thorongil no wait...

[Pitchwife]

if Zil thought Pitch suspected me, then the 'Sensible Pitch' and 'Overreaction' combo in post 29 might be an attempt to cozy up to her (so to speak).
To him, actually; male, German. Zil had a point though, and your response to my #25 struck me as a bit over-defensive too. Seems you like to poke people, but not so much to be poked in turn.

I see what you mean about Rune, he was a bit quick to agree without a good reason. He seems to be rather skimming the thread than digging in.

On the enigma of Boro, to be fair I've known him to be rather carefree on D1 even as an ordo. What worries me isn't so much his goofiness as his no-lynch-proposal, if it even was made in earnest - he knows better than that, but it would actually make sense for a cobbler who wants to avoid helping lynch a wolf by mistake.

Which would mean he's not our biggest concern for now -- if he's indeed Moon Moon we don't want to lynch him, since he counts as innocent.

[Boromir88]

"Just this once, everybody lives"? Please, not that again. A Day 2 with no lynch, no votes to analyse and draw conclusions from, how would that be different from your vanilla Day 1, and then? Rinse and repeat? I shouldn't even have to explain this, as I know you know that's how it works, so why are you even suggesting this? So you don't have to commit to anything?

Nah, I think I'm just turning pacifist over the WW years...I cordially dislike Day 1 lynches, depriving a person from playing before they really had a chance to get going. Even though, you're right and it must be done, you can't make me not hate Day 1 lynches. (And you could make the argument well they've had 24 hours to do something if they choose to).

Maybe there's the time to delve into the ancient texts and see if a Day 1 lynching contributes to the overall success of the innocents, or if a Day 1 no-lynch actually is more beneficial to the wolves.

[Huinesoron]

To him, actually; male, German. Zil had a point though, and your response to my #25 struck me as a bit over-defensive too. Seems you like to poke people, but not so much to be poked in turn.

Apologies. And... probably! No-one likes to be poked, do they? Though I'm also just very talky, and liable to respond to anything that looks like it might be directed at me. :)

Maybe there's the time to delve into the ancient texts and see if a Day 1 lynching contributes to the overall success of the innocents, or if a Day 1 no-lynch actually is more beneficial to the wolves.

There's not. :( Not if you mean for this lynch. It's... well, late (for a gorcrow), and my understanding is that even one vote in play will cause a lynch. Since I feel that not voting during a lynch that actually happens is a bad idea, I intend to vote for Rune in about... 15 minutes unless I see 1) a good argument for no-lynch, 2) something from Rune that makes me reconsider, 3) a good argument for Rune's innocence, or 4) a good alternate candidate.

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

I will have to vote soon, and even under the best of circumstances, I dislike a day 1 vote. I am never quite sure in my suspicions and second guess my self constantly. In a village as small as ours, I believe it would be counterproductive to vote for no-shows or people with very limited activity. We need a trail, we need something to analyze on for the days to come, and we need for everything to be out in the open so that here is no hiding. Even though it is grossly unfair that people can be rewarded for not participating, in my view it is the lesser of two evils.

As I write that would leave me with a list of possible lynch candidates that looks like this:

Inzil – Besides a typical day 1 starter Inzil has posted a single post which comments on some of the different statements made so far.
Boro – The main talking point of Day 1. Has acted differently than what I remember, but the more I read through the thread, the more I like Moon Moon idea originally presented by Pitch.
Pitch – Made a late entry, but has been productive and do not shy away from confrontation.
Huinesoron – By far the most interesting person in the village. Very active, if a little bit jumpy. Is this an Alpha that enjoys the spotlight (perhaps there is even an evil plan) or is it a very eager Ordo?

I would not want to vote for Huey, as I don’t know him, and I want to see where he takes this over the next few days.

This leaves Inzil, Boro and Pitch. I like style of Pitch, and I must admit that I am backtracking a bit on Boro. He is definitely having fun today, and I don’t remember him like this (Unlike Pitch). The most plausible explanation would be Moon Moon… Inzil hasn’t contributed much mostly poking fun or posting simple comments.

Edit: Cross Posted with Huinesoron

[Inziladun]

Who calls themselves Moon Moon anyway? Someone who is obsessed with terrible rhyming, probably. Therefor it's probably Nerwen.

Definitely Nerwen. Isn't Moon Moon the town where she lives? ;)

I said he was Moon Moon, I didn't say he was Aleister Crowley.

Zing!

"Just this once, everybody lives"? Please, not that again. A Day 2 with no lynch, no votes to analyse and draw conclusions from, how would that be different from your vanilla Day 1, and then? Rinse and repeat? I shouldn't even have to explain this, as I know you know that's how it works, so why are you even suggesting this? So you don't have to commit to anything?

Yet again, sense. Back on the merry-go-round. Day 1 is pretty much always a crapshoot, barring some amazing, spectacular See-action, but not voting has always seemed to me more of a help to the baddies. It's scary that I agree with Pitch so much so early.

A vote for someone who seemed to be using goofiness as a way to avoid discussion wouldn't be random. But see below.

Again, a little touchy, this.

Post 30 is a huge addition to the Boromiric Canon, but I have no idea what it indicates. I think he's dedicating himself to the role of The Goofiest Player, at least for Day One; this actually makes me think he's less likely to be a wolf, because that's a bold stance for an early-game member of a 2-person team. (He may still be MoonMoonIsh, though.)

I thought Goofiest Player was my job! Or maybe that was creepiest...

x/d with Huey and Rune

[Inziladun]

I would not want to vote for Huey, as I don’t know him, and I want to see where he takes this over the next few days.

I wouldn't vote him toDay just because of the First Game Pass. Doesn't seem sporting.

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

I wouldn't vote him toDay just because of the First Game Pass. Doesn't seem sporting.

Well yes, I am talking about today's vote.

[Huinesoron]

Okay, bedtime and votetime. I'm glad of the lengthy posts fro both Rune and Zil - it's great to have more to go on.

I'm a little more nervous about Zil now - post 37 feels like a retread of post 29 rather than anything particularly new - but equally, there's nothing new there to spark new suspicions. And Rune... well, Rune's post is bulked out by a big paragraph about voting, after which the content comes down to:

-Zil only posted once.
-Boro is having fun.
-Pitch is productive.


Huinesoron – By far the most interesting person in the village. Very active, if a little bit jumpy. Is this an Alpha that enjoys the spotlight (perhaps there is even an evil plan) or is it a very eager Ordo?

The first three points have all been previously made in the thread; the last is an expansion of other people's suspicions (as was his original comment on Boro), and is pointed at the person who's several times named him as number 1 voting candidate.

There's nothing here to make me reduce my suspicions, so in the absence of other candidates, and on the principle that a voting record is helpful to the village:

++Rune

hS, roosting upside-down in a tree and hoping for the best

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

Okay, this is not an easy decision, but I have to make one very soon.

If nothing else happens thee next ten minutes my vote will go to Inzil.

The contributions have mostly been good natured banter, and comments on Huey being a bit jumpy. Perhaps more will follow, but as things stand this behavior seems to needlessly shy away from confrontation (in my opinion). What does it mean that Huey is a bit jumpy (Inzil has pointed it out twice), is this wolfish behavior or not? Furthermore the posts interact with a fair few of the villagers, but without leaving any real traces. Of all the active players, this is the behavior that seems the most wolfish to me. A relatively low key day 1, staying out of focus, but with a degree of interaction.

Edit: Cross Posted with Huey

[satansaloser2005]

I know not a lot has gone on today, but still, to know such beasts are among us is unsettling. Who is responsible for this?

I'm just saying, I didn't do it (https://youtu.be/Qkuu0Lwb5EM).



X'd with Rune. Off for dinner, but will post again when I'm back home.

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

++Inziladun

[Pitchwife]

It's scary that I agree with Pitch so much so early.
It definitely is--to be agreed with so much, I mean.

Huey's suspicion of Rune seems fair enough if a little thin, based on just one post. I'd need a little more reasons to get behind that.

I've got an eye on Huey himself--could be an eager innocent a little nervous in a new environment, could be an eager but somewhat touchy wolf cub. Anyway I'm giving him a newbie's pass toDay.

Zil agreeing with me so much is indeed eyebrow-raising, and the fact that he points it out himself could be a self-conscious attempt to deflect suspicion after Huey commented on it earlier.

I'm flip-flopping about Boro (which is kind of hilarious). Something isn't right with him, and I'd like to find out what it is. I said above that he shouldn't be our concern toDay, but I remember a Borowolf who acted cobblerish and got away with it (one of Nog's games, I was the real cobbler). Could imagine voting for him.

[Pitchwife]

Hmm, Rune's swerve from Huey to Zil was a bit sudden. I can't fault his reasoning, but then I tend to suspect Zil a lot early in the game -- creepiest player is his job, whatever he is, and he gets lynched early a lot because of it.

It scares me a bit how we few are getting ready to vote each other while half the village are still more or less no-shows (Morsul? Shasta?).

[Boromir88]

It scares me a bit how we few are getting ready to vote each other while half the village are still more or less no-shows (Morsul? Shasta?).

As much as I'm going to be grinding my teeth here, I'm going to have to force myself to vote today, because if I were one of the murderers I would pick off Morsul or Shasta next, and leave us with nothing again tomorrow.

So be it...

++Nerwen

No particular reason other than I don't want one of the active people today. Nerwen did post once and, if a wolf, best to take a shot at getting rid of her now, or we're all dead.

[Pitchwife]

Nerwen did post once and, if a wolf, best to take a shot at getting rid of her now, or we're all dead.
'Let's lynch her now because if she's a wolf she'll be oh so dangerous." That's plain truth, but if she's not she'll be oh so dangerous to the wolves, so why should we lynch her without any evidence? Since when do we lynch people just in case?

[Pitchwife]

OK, I just realized I've been up for close to 20 hours, and nocturnal creature though I am, this undead vampire bat has a lot of sunlight damage to recover from.

Nerevar guide me!
++Boro

Good night!

[Inziladun]

I'm a little more nervous about Zil now - post 37 feels like a retread of post 29 rather than anything particularly new - but equally, there's nothing new there to spark new suspicions. And Rune... well, Rune's post is bulked out by a big paragraph about voting, after which the content comes down to:

-Zil only posted once.
-Boro is having fun.
-Pitch is productive.



The first three points have all been previously made in the thread; the last is an expansion of other people's suspicions (as was his original comment on Boro), and is pointed at the person who's several times named him as number 1 voting candidate.

There's nothing here to make me reduce my suspicions, so in the absence of other candidates, and on the principle that a voting record is helpful to the village:

++Rune

hS, roosting upside-down in a tree and hoping for the best

Huey sort of suspects me, but decides Rune is a bit worse, so votes for him.

His suspicion of Rune seems a bit forced, but is it Day 1/New Player uncertainties, coupled with "I gotta vote for someone?"


Okay, this is not an easy decision, but I have to make one very soon.

If nothing else happens thee next ten minutes my vote will go to Inzil.

The contributions have mostly been good natured banter, and comments on Huey being a bit jumpy. Perhaps more will follow, but as things stand this behavior seems to needlessly shy away from confrontation (in my opinion). What does it mean that Huey is a bit jumpy (Inzil has pointed it out twice), is this wolfish behavior or not? Furthermore the posts interact with a fair few of the villagers, but without leaving any real traces. Of all the active players, this is the behavior that seems the most wolfish to me. A relatively low key day 1, staying out of focus, but with a degree of interaction.

Now this seems forced as well, though it is me saying so. What kind of 'confrontation' d'ya expect on Day 1? :rolleyes:

As much as I'm going to be grinding my teeth here, I'm going to have to force myself to vote today, because if I were one of the murderers I would pick off Morsul or Shasta next, and leave us with nothing again tomorrow.

So be it...

++Nerwen

No particular reason other than I don't want one of the active people today. Nerwen did post once and, if a wolf, best to take a shot at getting rid of her now, or we're all dead.

I can sympathize to a point, because Nerwen always worries me. I strongly disagree with the 'just because' vote though.

x/d with Pitch

[Inziladun]

At this point, there's been nothing from Morsul or Shasta. And hardly anything from Lal or Sally. Hm.

[Lalaith]

Curse these transatlantic voting deadlines, cried the fell voice. It makes for very sleepy decisions.
Also, where are Shasta and Morsul? And I also seem to remember a Sally in "oh my ears and whiskers I just need to rush off and do something and then rush in again" mode being a Very Bad Sally.
Well as we all know first days suck and often the most active participants get unfairly picked on. I will spread the vote and go for a quiet one... although not an absent one as that could be too risky
++Sally

[Inziladun]

Well as we all know first days suck and often the most active participants get unfairly picked on. I will spread the vote and go for a quiet one... although not an absent one as that could be too risky

You're right in that submarines often do slip by early on. Where's Nog when you need him?

That said, the squeaky wheels naturally get the attention, rightly or wrongly.

This time we have two votes for the (mostly) absent thus far.

[Inziladun]

I think for me it's down to Boro or Rune.

I don't like Boro's vote, but it really seems reckless for a wolf.

Rune strikes me as worse, because of the way he initially seemed to grab onto Huey's initial, mild suspicion of Boro, then Pitch's comment that Boro could be Moon Moon, then moved from all that to vote for me.

[Inziladun]

Ok then.

++Rune

[satansaloser2005]

Bark - I mean back - and reading.

[satansaloser2005]

FYI, I sent Shasta a text to let him know the game is afoot, but my phone then died, so I don't know if it actually sent. :eek:

'Let's lynch her now because if she's a wolf she'll be oh so dangerous." That's plain truth, but if she's not she'll be oh so dangerous to the wolves, so why should we lynch her without any evidence? Since when do we lynch people just in case?

Since Phantom, that's when. :Merisu:


My general logic on Nerwen is that whichever side she's on, the other side should keep a close eye on her, so while I don't disagree with Boro's thoughts on Nerwen (if she is evil, I vote we call her Furwen), I also don't like the idea of lynching her on Day 1 "just to be safe," as it were. Day 1 is when you don't lynch people to be safe, in case they are gifted, etc. My prince is jumpy in a way that I don't currently like, but by my own rule above, lynching him on Day 1 is equally risky.


Posting and refreshing.

[satansaloser2005]

And I also seem to remember a Sally in "oh my ears and whiskers I just need to rush off and do something and then rush in again" mode being a Very Bad Sally.

Touche, but in this case, my phone just died and I couldn't post again until I got home just now.

[satansaloser2005]

I don't like things being so spread out. If my calculations are correct, five different people have votes. Easy to manipulate such a situation.

Purely to avoid a sudden shift we didn't expect:

++Rune

I hope I don't regret it.

[Galadriel55]

End of Day 1. Counting the votes.

[Galadriel55]

With three votes, Rune is lynched. He is a wolf.

Night 2 begins. Wolf, Ranger, Seer - do your work. People who did not vote toDay please do so toMorrow.


~~~~~~~~~

The Blossom of Dwimordene had a fine eulogy to send her off. The warg echoed after the latest poem, "bees, freeze, knees...".

"Enough poetry!" a cry went around.

"Dare not you offer insult to poetry", said the gorcrow hanging upside down, " or henceforth I shall offer suspicion only in verse!"

"Tweeze, frees, sneeze..." went on the warg.

"Geez, get productive already!"

"Yes, thank you - Geez!" the warg agreed happily. Everyone ignored him.

"It is the fox," said the gorcrow.

"Not so," said the fox, looking into everyone's eyes in turn and staring a little too long. "It is the surprise creature."

"It's the Wight," said the warg. "It's the warg, said the bat. "It's the dog," said the fell voice.

The pomeranian lifted her ears at the mention and bared her pointy teeth. "Always you debate idiocy and never listen to intelligent people!" She barked. "You said right off it is the fox. So lynch him! He's unsettling enough as it is, and it ruins my appetite."

"Surprise!" shouted the surprise creature as he pulled out a bazooka wielding raccoon who shot the whole round into the fox. The fox's body turned into one of a wolf.

The fell creatures cheered.

Then they ate the raccoon for dinner.

LIVING
Inzil- surprise creature
Nerwen - Barrow Wight
Sally - Boo Joe, a teacup Pomeranian with abnormally sharp teeth and a Napoleon complex
Boro - a warg bred for a single purpose, never being on time
Lalaith - fell voice on the air
Pitch - undead vampire bat
Huinesoron - inverted gorcrow
Morsul - demigorgon
Shasta

DEAD
Rune - wolf

[Galadriel55]

"Who are you? What are you doing here? This is my dwelling!"

"You won't have need of it much longer."

"Why did you come here?"

"To kill you."

"Surprise :rolleyes:."

"Not really."

"That was sarcasm."

"Huh."


LIVING
Nerwen - Barrow Wight
Sally - Boo Joe, a teacup Pomeranian with abnormally sharp teeth and a Napoleon complex
Boro - a warg bred for a single purpose, never being on time
Lalaith - fell voice on the air
Pitch - undead vampire bat
Huinesoron - inverted gorcrow
Morsul - demigorgon
Shasta - squinting red eyes

DEAD
Rune - wolf, lynched D1
Inzil - ordo, killed N2

[Huinesoron]

Excellent - scratch one wolf! It's a shame about Zil (sorry I suspected you); I think his second vote for Rune would have cleared him in my eyes.

Since I seem to be the first one up again (gorcrows rise early), I guess I'll kick things off with a rundown of Who's Who among the survivors:

Nerwen - still nothing to go on.

Sally - cast a bit of suspicion on Boro, then dropped the third vote on Rune - but at a time when we would have needed two votes for the same alternate, in 20 minutes, from the remaining 3 people (6 votes cast + Sally makes 7 accounted for), for him not to be lynched. This could be a safe wolf vote, but doesn't really say anything either way.

Boro - Rune's early attempt to follow me onto his case makes him look less like a wolf, but his goofy behavior and 'let's not lynch! Wait, let's lynch Nerwen for no real reason!' lends support to Pitch's Moon Moon theory.

Lalaith - cast a vote for Sally that spread the vote out to five (half the village!). Gave at least marginal reasoning (Sally has been a pop-in-and-out wolf before?), but I'm still dubious.

Pitch - Now that we know he was an ordo, I guess it's okay to quote Zil's 'sensible Pitch is sensible'. Introduced the BoroMoon theory, then noted that BoroWolf has acted cobblerish before. Voted for Boro on that ground. Also argued against lynching people 'just in case'. Nothing really to suspect here (for me).

Huinesoron - Hello!

Morsul - Absent.

Shasta - Absent.

So that's 3/8 with absolutely no evidence, which is... great. -_- I'd like to hear more from yesterday's latecomers - in particular, why Sally thought it was dangerous to need 2 votes out of 3 in 20 minutes, and why Lalaith felt we needed five lynch candidates.

hS

[Pitchwife]

So, this should clear up the question whether D1 lynches are useful or not, shouldn't it?

A look at the votes (known wolf bolded, known innocent italicized):

#40 Huey -> Rune (1), as announced in #35. Huey had playfully challenged Rune (together with Boro and Sally) in his first post, focussed on Boro for a while, then begun to suspect Rune mildly based on Rune's 'overly-strong agreement' with his suspicion of Boro, repeated this point in #32 and pondered voting for Rune, which he did after being counter-suspected by Rune.

Fairly coherent, perhaps a bit much so, since it was all based on one point in one post of Rune's, but of course we now know he was right. The only way I could see Huey doing this as a wolf would be if he's unexperienced at making up suspicions against innocents and thus resorted to wolf-on-wolf in lack of anything better, but if so it was rather daring in a pack of two. Seems genuine though, and I'd say he looks pretty good toDay.

#43 Rune -> Zil, as announced in #41. Known wolf voting known innocent. Had previously surfed on Huey's suspicion of Boro, my own BoroMoon theory and Zil's observation that Huey was being jumpy, then turned on Zil after declaring that he wouldn't want to vote for Huey on his first day.

In case there was any wolf-on-wolf afoot between Rune and Huey this sudden turn would make lots of sense. So does his reluctance to vote for a cobbler-candidate, if he really believed in this theory.

#46 Boro -> Nerwen, out of the blue, because he didn't want to vote one of the active people, and because she'd be dangerous if a wolf.

Random vote for a player who had just one early IC post, reasoning looking very much like he coughed it up ad hoc. Having slept over it I tend to agree with Zil (#53) that it was 'reckless for a wolf', but it didn't seem to me a vote with the village's best interest in mind.

#48 Pitch -> Boro. I'll leave this one for you to analyse, but Boro had been worrying me for much of the Day. I also had mild suspicions of Huey and Zil, and Rune's sudden turn on Zil raised my eyebrows, but with the rules saying the first person to get a majority gets lynched I didn't feel bad enough about any of them to give them a second vote.

#51 Lalaith -> Sally, because a distracted sally is 'a Very Bad Sally'. (Is that supposed to mean simply bad or Evil?)

Another vote for a player who had barely participated, based on reasoning that was rather meta. Not unlike Boro's vote, and spreading the votes thinner. I feel her pain about transatlantic deadlines, but I don't like this.

#54 Zil -> Rune (2), as announced in #53. Known innocent for known wolf, because of the way he latched on to other's suspicions, 'then moved from all that to vote for me'. This got the wagon rolling leading to Rune's lynch an hour from DL and probably made Zil a target for the Night kill.

#58 Sally -> Rune (3). Previously agreed with me about Boro's vote, but found lynching him too risky (duly noted), voted Rune 'purely to avoid a sudden shift we didn't expect'.

This vote cemented Rune's fate right at DL-- or did it? Even if one of the other candidates had got another vote (which was unlikely at this time), Rune would still have been lynched based on the Rule of First. Thus Sally's vote looks good on first sight, but could well have been made by a fellow-wolf who found D1 had gone horribly wrong in her absence and pushed what's falling to dissociate herself from Rune.

No vote: Nerwen, Morsul, Shasta. I'd really like to hear more from them toDay, and from yesterDay'S latecomers, Lal and Sally.

[Lalaith]

I feel her pain about transatlantic deadlines, but I don't like this.
Fair enough, I can see it doesn´t look great. In my defence all I can say is that it was 2am, I was a about to nod off when I remembered I hadn´t voted yet, I had a quick look at events so far but failed to clock that we already had four candidates.

Anyway, good news about getting a wolf first lynch - we must have a rather worried lone wolf somewhere. I must say it is a nice refreshing change to play an old-school game with roles declared on death and no funny business.
And what about our cobbler? They failed to spot/save their wolfy ally yesterDay..I would say that Huey and Sally look pretty good bets as non-wolves based on yesterDay´s voting but of course one of them might be a furious cobbler now kicking themselves...
A more convincing alternative might be a low-lying cobbler who withheld their vote while they were sussing out the potential pack...Nerwen, Shasta, Morsul, ho hum...

[Lalaith]

This vote cemented Rune's fate right at DL-- or did it? Even if one of the other candidates had got another vote (which was unlikely at this time), Rune would still have been lynched based on the Rule of First. Thus Sally's vote looks good on first sight, but could well have been made by a fellow-wolf who found D1 had gone horribly wrong in her absence and pushed what's falling to dissociate herself from Rune.

Not quite getting this by the way - I don´t see how Rune´s fate was necessarily already sealed at the time of Sally´s vote, even though it was very close to deadline. Lets say a Sally-wolf is trying to save fellow-wolf Rune. Why not vote for Boro or Zil, (Nerwen would not be such a good bet as she had herself not voted at this point and would obv vote to save herself) hoping that one of Nerwen, Morsul or Shasta would also come in at deadline vote in this way? That would give Boro or Zil three votes, to Rune´s two.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Would it help if I promise to be less absent? And actually be watching the real game thread? I didn't think we were starting till after New Years, oops. Will dig into this tomorrow.

[Pitchwife]

Not quite getting this by the way - I don´t see how Rune´s fate was necessarily already sealed at the time of Sally´s vote, even though it was very close to deadline. Lets say a Sally-wolf is trying to save fellow-wolf Rune. Why not vote for Boro or Zil, (Nerwen would not be such a good bet as she had herself not voted at this point and would obv vote to save herself) hoping that one of Nerwen, Morsul or Shasta would also come in at deadline vote in this way? That would give Boro or Zil three votes, to Rune´s two.
Not to say that couldn't have happened, but with mere minutes to go, how likely was it that any of them would vote after not having showed up all Day?

[Boromir88]

I won't be very active today, working most of day to close out the new year but will be finished with 1 or 2 hours before DL to spare.

Already got 1, what's there to worry about? All Rune voters get a pass from my vote, at least today. Let's not complicate or overthink the fortuitous Day 1.

No one should overlook the part I played...yes I'm taking some credit, maybe like 5% of the credit, because it got Rune involved where his teeth and claws showed.

[Lalaith]

My prince is jumpy in a way that I don't currently like, but by my own rule above, lynching him on Day 1 is equally risky.

Who is Sally´s prince? I can´t remember...

[Boromir88]

Who is Sally´s prince? I can´t remember...

That would be me.

[Huinesoron]

Would it help if I promise to be less absent?

Well, that would certainly be a big help... :D

I'm increasingly concerned that we might have a silent wolf, and with three (counting Nerwen) silent players yesterday, it's too big a field to just grind our way through. Zil's death last Night doesn't seem to point at any of the three (my working theory is that he was killed because his vote sealed Rune's fate, 'confirming' his innocence), so we're working entirely in the dark if that's the case.

That said, there's still Boro's behaviour yesterday to consider. If he's less goofy today, that could mean he was truly just 'having fun'... but on the flip side, it might point at a nervous wolf or BoroMoon. And of course Sally still hasn't arrived to clarify on that last-minute vote.

Hopefully people show up earlier toDay... the last thing I want is to vote without hearing from everyone.

Pre-edit: Boro is looking less goofy, but is pseudo-clearing not only me, but Sally as well. Hmm. Also claiming part of the kill; Boro, are you suggesting yesterday's goofiness was a strategy to try and draw out a wolf? If so, how was that supposed to work, exactly?

hS

[Boromir88]

Pre-edit: Boro is looking less goofy, but is pseudo-clearing not only me, but Sally as well. Hmm. Also claiming part of the kill; Boro, are you suggesting yesterday's goofiness was a strategy to try and draw out a wolf? If so, how was that supposed to work, exactly?

hS

Yes...I would bet my posting behavior yesterday was talked about by everyone who did show up yesterday. It was the "talk of the town" you might say.

My courtroom manner might be somewhat...unconventional, even argumentative just for the sake of being different, but what was the most discussed topic yesterday? Day 1 all there is to go on is conversation and if being the odd one that takes on suspicion, at least everyone who was around yesterday talked about it, including the wolf.

There's a method to random goofiness, sometimes it pays off, sometimes it doesn't. Now that there is more to go on than nothing, and my Day 1 behavior, I don't think you'll get anymore rhyming out of me, but we'll all just have to wait and see!

[Nerwen]

Zil, Day One

#11
Banter.

#29.
Thinks Runewolf (#16) is "leaving an out in case you're called on it" [suspicion of Boro].

Suggests Huey as a nickname for Huinesoron.

Says of Boro: I'm going to look at his posts and read them backwards while listening to the White Album.

Says Pitch is "sensible", referring to #25, where Pitch thinks Huinesoron is "trying a bit too hard", and points out that aggressive wolf-hunting can be something for a wolf to hide behind. This, in turn, was a response to Huinesoron finding Boro suspicious for excessive banter.

Describes Huinesoron's defence of his tactics (#26) as "overreaction".


#37.
Banter.

Is against not voting Day One. Finds it "scary" that he agrees with Pitch "so much so early".

Thinks Huinesoron (#32) is "again, a little touchy".


#38. Replying to Runewolf #36.
I wouldn't vote him [Huinesoron] toDay just because of the First Game Pass. Doesn't seem sporting.


Huinesoron --> Rune (wolf).
Rune (wolf) --> Inziladun (ordo).
Boro --> Nerwen.
Pitch --> Boro.


#49. Finds Huinesoron's and Rune's suspicions of those they voted "forced". "Sympathizes" with Boro's apprehension of a hypothetical Nerwolf, but disagrees with this as a reason for voting.

#50.
Notes that there has been little or nothing from Morsul, Shasta, Sally or Lal.


Lal --> Sally.

#52.
Agrees with Lal on the danger of submarines.

#53. Will vote Boro or Rune.. Latter seems worse because of seemingly forced suspicions.

#54. Votes Rune (2).


Conclusion: Was probably killed largely because his particular rôle in lynching Runewolf would be hard to paint as either cobblerish or wolf-on-wolf. However, the joke about his intention to "look at [Boro's] posts and read them backwards while listening to the White Album" might have looked Seerish (assuming a jumpy wolf).

[Lalaith]

I too was wondering if the wolf went for Zil as Seer.
The vote for Rune looked prescient, of course, but the wolf could also have read the trusting of Pitch as a seerish knowledge of Pitch´s innocence. Which in turn looks good for Pitch...

[Pitchwife]

Boro, so you're saying you deliberately made yourself an easy target to see who would swallow the bait? If that's not a rationalisation ex post, it certainly makes sense-- as in, it makes your behaviour make sense where there didn't seemy to be any.

I'm increasingly concerned that we might have a silent wolf
This. It's strange that there was no attempt to get an alternative bandwagon rolling and save Rune; if his packmate was absent this would explain that.

[satansaloser2005]

Good morning, all! And it is a good morning indeed! :D


Yes...I would bet my posting behavior yesterday was talked about by everyone who did show up yesterday. It was the "talk of the town" you might say.

My courtroom manner might be somewhat...unconventional, even argumentative just for the sake of being different, but what was the most discussed topic yesterday? Day 1 all there is to go on is conversation and if being the odd one that takes on suspicion, at least everyone who was around yesterday talked about it, including the wolf.

There's a method to random goofiness, sometimes it pays off, sometimes it doesn't. Now that there is more to go on than nothing, and my Day 1 behavior, I don't think you'll get anymore rhyming out of me, but we'll all just have to wait and see!

Welcome to the silly side. We have cookies and bandwagons. :Merisu:

I'd say this checks out so far though, not only because it's my own MO, but because, well, we got a wolf. Well done so far, my prince. *nuzzles*

[Huinesoron]

Boro, so you're saying you deliberately made yourself an easy target to see who would swallow the bait? If that's not a rationalisation ex post, it certainly makes sense-- as in, it makes your behaviour make sense where there didn't seemy to be.

I would agree that it almost makes sense. Boro's behaviour was 'the talk of the town' - but when it came down to it, he voted for Nerwen, not any of the people who had been discussing him. Boro, was there nothing in anyone's words - Rune's, Pitch's, mine, Zil's, we all commented on you or people's reactions to you - that was more worthy of a vote than 'she would make a dangerous wolf'?

hS

(Crossed with Sally)

[Nerwen]

Boro, so you're saying you deliberately made yourself an easy target to see who would swallow the bait? If that's not a rationalisation ex post, it certainly makes sense-- as in, it makes your behaviour make sense where there didn't seemy to be any.

Originally Posted by Huinesoron
I'm increasingly concerned that we might have a silent wolf


This. It's strange that there was no attempt to get an alternative bandwagon rolling and save Rune; if his packmate was absent this would explain that.
Indeed, just based on the voting, nobody seems a very likely packmate for Zil. It would, of course, be dangerous at this point to assume this puts those voted yesterDay in the clear- the early votes were very spread out, so possibly Rune's packmate did cast one of these, not guessing Rune would need rescuing.

EDIT: x'd since Pitch #75.

[satansaloser2005]

I would agree that it almost makes sense. Boro's behaviour was 'the talk of the town' - but when it came down to it, he voted for Nerwen, not any of the people who had been discussing him. Boro, was there nothing in anyone's words - Rune's, Pitch's, mine, Zil's, we all commented on you or people's reactions to you - that was more worthy of a vote than 'she would make a dangerous wolf'?


No, you don't understand. Nerwen is terrifying.

I kid, of course. Nerwen is a bright soul and we love her.



Seriously though, Nerwen is terrifying. :eek:


x'd with the lady herself :)

[Nerwen]

No, you don't understand. Nerwen is terrifying.

I kid, of course. Nerwen is a bright soul and we love her.



Seriously though, Nerwen is terrifying. :eek:


x'd with the lady herself :)
Hey.:D

[satansaloser2005]

To yesterday's votes then. Baddies underlined, innocents in italics.

Huey-->Rune
Rune-->Dun
Boro-->Nerwen
Pitch-->Boro
Lal-->Sally
Dun-->Rune (2)
Sally-->Rune (3)

Did not vote: Nerwen, Morsul, Shasta


Two of the non-voters weren't a huge surprise; Shasta likely didn't know the game had started, and Nerwen is a notorious (but beloved) no-show on Day One.

Not to overly pry, Morsul, but why didn't you pop up to vote?

Meanwhile, to the votes themselves.

Huey (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CMU2NwaaXEA) (don't hurt me) voting for Rune could easily be wolf-on-wolf, as the first vote of the Day is often a safe one for whomever you want. I'm not saying it is wolf-on-wolf, just that I'm not writing Huey off as innocent for his/her vote.

The fact that Rune voted for Dun and then Dun died during the Night makes me think Rune suspected the latter of being a gifted and the pack agreed. Not a breakthrough idea, I'm sure, but sensible enough and, since we had such a spread of votes toward the end of the Day, it supports the idea of an absent wolf, as it would have been easy enough to justify voting Dun at the time.

As I've said, Boro's vote for Nerwen is fair in theory but regrettable in practice, as it's not usually a good idea to vote for an absentee on Day One in case one is gifted. However, were Boro a wolf, it would have been all too easy to vote for Dun instead, so as of now, I'm thinking my prince is innocent (and quite a looker ;)).

Pitch voting for Boro seems valid based on my thoughts above, though it admittedly doesn't sit quite right with me.

Lal suspects an in-and-out Sally wolf, which is fair play, though inaccurate in this case. Nothing too opportunistic about this, though I don't like that she further widened the playing field, especially with less than an hour left until deadline at the time. Why not vote for an established candidate?

Dun going for Rune could have been construed by the pack as a seer voting for a dreamt wolf, but this was clearly not the case. Still, well done, my friend! We will avenge your most foul and definitely expected murder.

And then of course I voted for Rune because I loathe ties and I wasn't into leaving room for last-minute votes that could propel another candidate toward the block. Mind, I know it still could have happened if all three absentees had shown up and voted, but that was highly unlikely at that point, and Rune seemed like a good candidate anyway, so there you go.



x'd with Nerwen. Hey yourself. :)

[Huinesoron]

A wonderful long post from Sally, and not much that's particularly suspicious. The one thing that makes me wonder is this repeated clearing of Boro's name, both by justifying his vote for Nerwen and by proposing an alternative that would be better for BoroWolf. This extends to casting suspicion on Pitch for voting Boro.

The thing is, none of Sally's points seem to apply to BoroMoon. BoroMoon wouldn't know exactly who the wolves were, and both Rune and Zil had gained suspicion at points. Would BoroMoon want to rescue RuneWolf by condemning ZilWolf? I rather doubt it, so picking a third party would be the safest option.

A Wolf Sally and BoroMoon would work with how Sally has been acting; Sally's last-minute vote for Rune would be an attempt to build credibility. Her nice big post then makes sure to throw suspicion on everyone who was active yesterday, which would be an attempt to clear out the active villagers and leave just the non-posters.

Or... Sally is innocent and thinks Boro is too, simple as that. But the theory above hangs together rather well - moreso the longer I look at it, hence the shift in tone during this post.

hS

[Lalaith]

Not to overly pry, Morsul, but why didn't you pop up to vote?

Morsul, in the admin thread:
I don't think I've ever missed a vote... I'm sorry won't happen again

Having said that, would be nice to see him today!

[satansaloser2005]

The thing is, none of Sally's points seem to apply to BoroMoon. BoroMoon wouldn't know exactly who the wolves were, and both Rune and Zil had gained suspicion at points. Would BoroMoon want to rescue RuneWolf by condemning ZilWolf? I rather doubt it, so picking a third party would be the safest option.

Picking a third party in this instance made him look better to several people, which is the opposite of a cobbler's job description.

So yes, a Moonomir is a different beast entirely, and if Boro is our special fluffy friend, I'm giving him a pass, but after all, our goal is to rid ourselves of wolves, not....well, this guy.

https://www.dailydot.com/wp-content/uploads/aea/5b/guys-wolf-name-moon-moonmoon-internet-meme-19.jpg

[Morsul the Dark]

Hello.

Reading.

Glad things worked out yesterday. One down one to go. Sally to answer your question, I didn't realize we were starting I got me days mixed up.

Y'all know I usually don't shut up :p.

[Morsul the Dark]

Ok. Huey strikes me as suspicious.

As Sally said easy first vote. But there's also Inzil's death now it could have been an easy no trace kill but not gonna lie, if I were in the wolf's shoes I'd had taken me(Morsul) out. I literally didn't post so there'd REALLY be nothing to go on.

Inzil also seemed to push on Boro a bit... worried about making a band wagon or just misdirection?

[Morsul the Dark]

Unrelated...

Since when can we post pictures?

[Morsul the Dark]

From Rune

[Huinesoron – By far the most interesting person in the village. Very active, if a little bit jumpy. Is this an Alpha that enjoys the spotlight (perhaps there is even an evil plan) or is it a very eager Ordo?

I would not want to vote for Huey, as I don’t know him, and I want to see where he takes this over the next few days.

Now I might just be dialing in too closely but could this be wolf to wolf communication?
(Evil plan) as in "Huey stick to the plan"? And then sort of "hey guys ignore him for a while.

[Huinesoron]

Picking a third party in this instance made him look better to several people, which is the opposite of a cobbler's job description.

Arguably true. My theory was that he wasn't sure which of the two candidates at that point mighy be a wolf, and lynching a wolf is really against the job description.

That does inspire the related thought that Wolf Sally wouldn't go out of her way to clear BoroMoon, which puts a big hole through my theory. I still find you suspicious. :)

So yes, a Moonomir is a different beast entirely, and if Boro is our special fluffy friend, I'm giving him a pass, but after all, our goal is to rid ourselves of wolves, not....well, this guy.

Absolutely. BoroMoon as a theory is only worth following if we think it'll lead to a wolf. I was all ready to lay it aside until the Sally-Boro notion ocurred to me.

Ok. Huey strikes me as suspicious.

As Sally said easy first vote.

I'm guessing these two thoughts are connected? Yes, I did drop the first vote for RuneWolf - after also being the first person to find him suspicious, and pursuing those suspicions all day.

But there's also Inzil's death now it could have been an easy no trace kill but not gonna lie, if I were in the wolf's shoes I'd had taken me(Morsul) out. I literally didn't post so there'd REALLY be nothing to go on.

Inzil also seemed to push on Boro a bit... worried about making a band wagon or just misdirection?

At this point I think we're at three or four theories on Zil's death:

-As a possible seer, which would either point at Boro (or me, I guess) as guilty, or at Pitch as innocent.

-As the person who secured Rune's death, making him the closest thing to a confirmed innocent around.

-As an untraceable kill, which would suggest one of the quiet people as the last wolf (or Pitch).

-As misdirection, which is probably a subcategory of the first.

Hmm.

I'm still suspicious of Sally, but Morsul's 'adopt and expand' reaction to Sally's semi-suspicion of me has uncomfortable resonances with Rune's behaviour at the beginning of Day One.

Pre-edit: not sure if Morsul's quoting of Rune in support makes this more or less suspect. Will think on it.

hS

[Huinesoron]

Now I might just be dialing in too closely but could this be wolf to wolf communication?
(Evil plan) as in "Huey stick to the plan"? And then sort of "hey guys ignore him for a while.

And the plan is... 'continue to go for my throat, overreact and be jumpy, and make sure to be just as active tomorrow to keep drawing attention'?

I'm not sure that would be the best course to winning the game... :D I realise suspecting the people who accuse you is cliche, but arguing that my behaviour (which has drawn comments from at least five people, including both the wolf and the confirmed innocent) is a plan is... not logic I can really follow.

hS

[Morsul the Dark]

Wouldn't know what the plan is. I do know wolf on wolf suspicions aren't a new strategy and can easily hide a newer player. I used the tactic my first game out.

I'm just going on information I'm Seeing is all, and that's that I trust Sally. So I'm inclined to see where she's coming from.

[Huinesoron]

I trust Sally. So I'm inclined to see where she's coming from.

Fair enough. Since it's impossible for you, Sally, and Boro to all be evil, I'll take a look elsewhere.

[satansaloser2005]

Unrelated...

Since when can we post pictures?

You have to have a URL to link, but pictures have always worked. Use the fourth icon from the right in your formatting toolbar when making a post. :)

[satansaloser2005]

Fair enough. Since it's impossible for you, Sally, and Boro to all be evil, I'll take a look elsewhere.

It's statistically impossible, yes, unless Gal has some 'splaining to do.

[Pitchwife]

Hello again! Housecleaning's done, cheese fondue is eaten, and with some caffeine to bring my brain back online I should be able to hang around for some time.

Yay Nerwen! Solid analysis of Zil's interactions. And of course I didn't mean to suggest that everybody who voted yesterDay should be given a pass, just that we shouldn't focus on the loudmouths only and let the rest slip by. And it's understood that I say that as one of those loudmouths, and you said what you said as one of those formerly silent ones.

Yay Morsul! I don't quite follow his reasoning, but that's nothing new--or then I do to some extent; if the quote he gave from Rune, where Rune talks about Huey, was 'wolf-to-wolf communication', it could perhaps be Runewolf warning his young padawan not to make himself too conspicuous (wasn't this after Zil had started to point out Huey's overreaction?). I don't follow the 'evil plan' bit, but his posts sounds genuine Morsulish to me so far.

On the Sally-Boro-tangle: I can see why an innocent Sally should feel iffy about my vote for Boro, if she really believes it was risky for the same reason Boro's vote for Nerwen was risky, as she stated in #56. If I'd seen this post of hers before voting it might have given me pause, but looking back on Boro's behaviour yesterDay, especially his talk about not lynching on D1, I disagree.

I also disagree with Sally's statement that 'picking a third party in this instance made him [=Boro] look better to several people'. Who would these people be? I mean, yes of course it would have looked highly wolvish if he had piled on either Rune or Zil after voicing no suspicion of his own all Day, but I don't see how randomly voting a non-poster was any better. He had IMO manœuvered himself into a situation where he could hardly make an unsuspicious vote for anybody.

[Huinesoron]

I've had another look at Lalaith and Nerwen, as two who've slipped under my personal radar today. (I've spent a lot of time talking about Boro, Sally, and Morsul, and just can't see Pitch as a wolf... add in Shasta the absentee, and I think that's everyone.)

-Lalaith voted yesterDay to put half the village on the block, claiming just not to have noticed. Her first post toDay included a big paragraph about cobblers, who aren't actually our priority target. She's also spent a fair amount of time clearing people - me, Sally, Pitch - based on yesterday's events, which could be suspect, but feels more like genuine thoughts.

-Nerwen gave us a big summary of Zil's Day One, the conclusion to which was:

Conclusion: Was probably killed largely because his particular rôle in lynching Runewolf would be hard to paint as either cobblerish or wolf-on-wolf. However, the joke about his intention to "look at [Boro's] posts and read them backwards while listening to the White Album" might have looked Seerish (assuming a jumpy wolf).

Which provides one unhelpful conclusion (that we can't get any information from Zil's death), and one point at Boro as a potential wolf.

Her second post includes a typo of 'Zil' for 'Rune', which could be a wolfish slip ('who did we kill, again?') but probably isn't. ;) It also claims, again, that yesterday gives us basically no information.

Conclusions from me? Lalaith doesn't look particularly lupine, vote aside. Nerwen has posted two hefty posts, but hasn't given many opinions or conclusions that don't come to 'this tells us nothing'. I would call her more suspicious than Lalaith, if pressed.

And of course, Shasta has said absolutely nothing, still.

I see Pitch has just given another long post; in the interest of not letting my assumptions stand unchallenged, I'll take a look at Pitch's record in a while to see if anything jumps out.

hS

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Am around. Will dig in shortly - like, in the next half hour shortly.

[Pitchwife]

That does inspire the related thought that Wolf Sally wouldn't go out of her way to clear BoroMoon, which puts a big hole through my theory.
No, she wouldn't, that's right. For both of them to be evil she'd have to be the cobbler and he the wolf, and having slept over it I'm no longer sure his behaviour made sense in that case. At the moment I'm more inclined to assume that Sally may actually be OK; not sure what that says about Boro.

Morsul, would you mind clarifying this:
Inzil also seemed to push on Boro a bit... worried about making a band wagon or just misdirection?
Misdirection by whom? Zil? and about what?

[Galadriel55]

It's statistically impossible, yes, unless Gal has some 'splaining to do.

Something like that nearly did happen, which is why I had to redo the roles last minute. :o

[Huinesoron]

As I said I would, I've looked at Pitch, and... I can't see anything that doesn't come over as genuine villager helpfulness. That's not to say I agree with everything, but it all seems to come from an innocent perspective.

There's also this, back in post 75:

It's strange that there was no attempt to get an alternative bandwagon rolling and save Rune; if his packmate was absent this would explain that.

An absent second wolf makes a lot of sense.

hS

[Morsul the Dark]

No, she wouldn't, that's right. For both of them to be evil she'd have to be the cobbler and he the wolf, and having slept over it I'm no longer sure his behaviour made sense in that case. At the moment I'm more inclined to assume that Sally may actually be OK; not sure what that says about Boro.

Morsul, would you mind clarifying this:

Misdirection by whom? Zil? and about what?

I think I accidentally read his response to Rune as against Boro when it was neutral. As for misdirection I meant a wolf might want us looking at who Zil suspected.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

My bad, I had forgotten Boro's true purpose, so I thought you might be referring to someone else.

I am inclined to agree with you. Boromir's posts are a good way of seeming active/productive, without offering anything in the form of actual progress. Though it probably seem worse than it actually is due to the lack of activity in general...

I am less inclined to think that Rune's fellow Wolf is the first person he elects to suspect. Possible, sure. But likely? Eh.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Yeah, but on the other hand, this feels like an overly-'strong' agreement at this stage. Unless you count my flinging-around of names, no-one had offered any sort of progress (though some very nice poems); I'm afraid your comment is raising my mild suspicions for that mention. (Though without negating my equally mild suspicion of Boro, of course.)

Goodness, wargs to the left of me, foxes to the right, wolves in our midst... whatever is an upside-down gorcrow to do?

I'm curious - what would your reaction have been if someone had disagreed with you here?

[Shastanis Althreduin]

I said he was Moon Moon, I didn't say he was Aleister Crowley.


"Just this once, everybody lives"? Please, not that again. A Day 2 with no lynch, no votes to analyse and draw conclusions from, how would that be different from your vanilla Day 1, and then? Rinse and repeat? I shouldn't even have to explain this, as I know you know that's how it works, so why are you even suggesting this? So you don't have to commit to anything?

This struck me as a bit much, on first read. Boro was fairly clearly roleplaying with that remark - at least, that's how I took it.

[Morsul the Dark]

Day 1 I was absent...
Day 2 I'll have to vote early wife and I are going to a movie. So I'll be voting soon)

Probably Huey unless the Seer themselves says otherwise. Which is unlikely.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

OK, I just realized I've been up for close to 20 hours, and nocturnal creature though I am, this undead vampire bat has a lot of sunlight damage to recover from.

Nerevar guide me!
++Boro

Good night!

So... was there a reason for this, or...?

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Hmm, Rune's swerve from Huey to Zil was a bit sudden. I can't fault his reasoning, but then I tend to suspect Zil a lot early in the game -- creepiest player is his job, whatever he is, and he gets lynched early a lot because of it.

It scares me a bit how we few are getting ready to vote each other while half the village are still more or less no-shows (Morsul? Shasta?).

This post makes me wonder a bit, after this:

Huey's suspicion of Rune seems fair enough if a little thin, based on just one post. I'd need a little more reasons to get behind that.

Especially after Rune died a wolf.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

And the plan is... 'continue to go for my throat, overreact and be jumpy, and make sure to be just as active tomorrow to keep drawing attention'?

I'm not sure that would be the best course to winning the game... :D I realise suspecting the people who accuse you is cliche, but arguing that my behaviour (which has drawn comments from at least five people, including both the wolf and the confirmed innocent) is a plan is... not logic I can really follow.

hS

:Merisu:

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Something like that nearly did happen, which is why I had to redo the roles last minute. :o

-mutters-

[Shastanis Althreduin]

So I'm caught up, and I think my vote will likely be for Pitch unless something bombastic happens in the next few hours. I didn't like how he seemed to try to subtly push suspicion on not-Rune, and I didn't like his vote for Boro.

[Morsul the Dark]

So I'm caught up, and I think my vote will likely be for Pitch unless something bombastic happens in the next few hours. I didn't like how he seemed to try to subtly push suspicion on not-Rune, and I didn't like his vote for Boro.

So we have the two absentees Myself and Shastaworking overtime coming to two different conclusions. I'm curious what others think.

[Huinesoron]

I'm curious - what would your reaction have been if someone had disagreed with you here?

Assuming their response had been 'I think it's too early to say something like that' or some version of the roleplaying explanation, it would have been 'fair enough', along with something about how long before deadline I'd need to vote (I said something of the sort later). Disagreeing with a deliberate stretch isn't wolfish; agreeing with and overstrengthening it is (and was!).

[Morsul the Dark]

++Huey

For stated reasons. Happy Hunting happy New Year.

[Huinesoron]

So we have the two absentees Myself and Shastaworking overtime coming to two different conclusions. I'm curious what others think.

Well, I don't know about that Huinesoron person... ;) I can't see Pitch as a wolf. Looking back over Boro's posts today I don't find them suspicious, which also lessens my suspicions of Sally (which were built on a BoroMoon theory). Morsul (hi!) I will leave to other minds; being #1 suspect is probably distorting my judgement. Who's left?

With no more to go on, I still have to peg Nerwen as more suspicious than Lalaith. As for Shasta... I can't get behind the Pitch theory at all, but I can also see where it's coming from. So right now I can't suspect them.

So I guess right now I'd have to vote for Nerwen, who makes big posts that don't seem oriented on actually finding wolves. I'm much less confident of this than I was yesterDay, though.

hS

(I see I've acquired my first vote. Happy new year to you too, Morsul! :D I probably have an hour before I need to vote, maybe a bit less.)

[satansaloser2005]

A quick list from my phone....

Neutral:‎‎
Nerwen - Not enough to go on at this point‎
Shasta - Same song, second verse‎
Pitch - A little bit louder, but a whole lot worse (I couldn't resist, but I'm honestly on the fence)‎
‎
Good:‎
Sally - I'm adorable! Bark! Bark!
Boro - Given how yesterday played out, probably innocent, or cobbler at worst‎
Morsul - Making solid points at the moment‎
‎
Less than good:
Lal - For spreading things too thin yesterday
Huey - For some wacky logic that seems off

[Shastanis Althreduin]

I don't see how anyone can suspect Huey after yesterday. I just don't see that kind of bussing coming from that particular corner, that early.

[Pitchwife]

This struck me as a bit much, on first read. Boro was fairly clearly roleplaying with that remark - at least, that's how I took it.
Not that clearly to me. What role would you say he was playing?

So... was there a reason for this, or...?
I tried to explain yesterDay, but maybe I was a bit too brief. I had pinned Boro as probably the cobbler for most of the Day (hence, like I said, not our main concern) when I remembered a situation where a suspected Borowolf acted extra nonsensically and was given a pass as probably the cobbler while the real cobbler (me) was lynched instead. (Nog's Lost Philosophers game, in which you played IIRC). I may have been guilty of some tunnel vision by the time I voted.

So I'm caught up, and I think my vote will likely be for Pitch unless something bombastic happens in the next few hours. I didn't like how he seemed to try to subtly push suspicion on not-Rune, and I didn't like his vote for Boro.
Oh well. Wasn't I allowed to suspect anybody but Rune on D1? This is easy to say with hindsight.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Not that clearly to me. What role would you say he was playing?


I tried to explain yesterDay, but maybe I was a bit too brief. I had pinned Boro as probably the cobbler for most of the Day (hence, like I said, not our main concern) when I remembered a situation where a suspected Borowolf acted extra nonsensically and was given a pass as probably the cobbler while the real cobbler (me) was lynched instead. (Nog's Lost Philosophers game, in which you played IIRC). I may have been guilty of some tunnel vision by the time I voted.


Oh well. Wasn't I allowed to suspect anybody but Rune on D1? This is easy to say with hindsight.


Of course you were, I'm not trying to tell you how to play. I do think it's a bit odd that you'd go so hard after someone you thought was exactly Moon Moon, though. And hindsight or not, it does, from this side, look as though you didn't want to lynch Rune.

[Huinesoron]

With Shasta's post 118, I can see the Pitch argument a bit better, but it's not enough to counter everything I've read from Pitch. In the absence of both better candidates and any more time, then, I will have to cast my vote for:

++Nerwen

For reasons covered in my last post.

Now I'm off to roost upside-down in a tree and hope for the best once more.

hS

[Pitchwife]

A look at everybody:

Nerwen - posted nothing yesterDay, opened toDay with an analysis of Zil‘s death, concluded he was killed either as looking too innocent because of his vote for Rune or as a possible Seer. Points out that those who voted yesterDay shouldn‘t be considered clear (which nobody had suggested), but doesn‘t voice any concrete suspicion. Could be anything really.

Sally - late vote for Rune after defending Boro; has been more active toDay: some friendly banter directed at Boro and Nerwen, followed by an analysis of the votes:
- Huey‘s could be wolf-on-wolf
- Boro‘s ‚fair in theory but regrettable in practice‘
- mine valid but doesn‘t sit quite right
- Lal‘s not opportunistic, but ‚further widened the playing field‘, which isn‘t good
- Zil‘s could have seemed seerish to the wolf (see Nerwen above)
- her own to prevent last minute votes lynching another candidate
Defends Boro as not cobblerish.
I disagree with her about Boro‘s vote, but I can‘t see anything clearly furry here.

Boro - has terminated goofy mode and promised to come back later. I‘d like to see what he does then.

Lalaith - explains her vote to me; Huey and Sally probably non-wolves, maybe one of them cobbler, but more likely there‘s a low-lying cobbler from the absentee group; defends Sally‘s vote to me as probably not wolvish; thinks I look good if the wolf thought Zil was the Seer. Very little to go on really, but she‘s defended several people while voicing no suspicion against possible wolves. Could that be a lone wolf desperately looking for allies?

Huey - Sally‘s vote could be a safe wolf vote; Boro less likely a wolf because early suspicion by Runewolf; dubious about Lalaith‘s vote (note, that was before she explained it); doesn‘t suspect me; concerned about a silent wolf; engages Boro and Sally, considers a WolfSally/BoroMoon pairing, concludes it wouldn‘t make sense. Some counter-suspense against Morsul, who suspected him before.

Huey is generally reasonable, but I‘m not quite comfortable with how he seems to assume he should be considered as a known innocent because he gave Rune the first vote and suspects Sally and Morsul back for doubting this.

Morsul - Huey suspicious, trusts Sally. Intends to vote Huey, does so. His reasoning is a bit thin here, but I‘m assuming he‘s allright for now.

Shasta - Boro not likely Rune‘s packmate; questions and suspects me; no opinions about anybody else as far as I can see. Really?

If the wolf is among yesterDay‘s loudmouths, I suppose it could be Huey (I don‘t know what Boro is, but anyway I‘m giving him a pass until we hear more of him); if among yesterDay‘s silents or latecomers, it could be Nerwen or Lalaith; not sure about Shasta – at least he‘s voiced a suspicion toDay, if one I disagree with for obvious reasons. Not Sally, not Morsul.

(x-ed with Huey's vote)

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Shasta - Boro not likely Rune‘s packmate; questions and suspects me; no opinions about anybody else as far as I can see. Really?

No, not really - I did specifically say I don't think Huey is the wolf based on yesterday's voting.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

++Pitch

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Others:

My queen seems like her normal self - no red flags there.

Morsul's vote/theory on Huey isn't one I can get behind, but that's pretty much normal-Morsul as well. Not too worried.

Sally - eh. Again, no real red flags - nothing stuck out to me in a particular fashion.

Boro - goofy. Possible candidate for dorky husky. Don't know, though - that's almost too easy.

Huey - unlikely wolf based on early Rune-wagon yesterday. With only two wolves I tend to think they'd be a bit more careful in terms of bussing - especially with how lackadaisical yesterday's lynch seemed to be.

Lalaith - outside shot at her being the wolf based on absenteeism; I do think there's possible merit to the other wolf not being around to try and influence the lynch off of Rune.

Pitch - the wolf, in my opinion. Subtly tried to push lynch away from Rune onto possible Moon Moon-Boro, and shaded me when I called attention to it.

I'm headed out. Lynch wisely, guys.

[satansaloser2005]

Sally -Defends Boro as not cobblerish.

On the contrary, my dear sir. I in fact said (though admittedly in a different post) that Boro could be the cobbler, but if he is, he's not our target.

As for Huey, I said I could see the possibility of wolf-on-wolf and that I wouldn't count him as innocent based solely on that vote. To make that clearer, I'm not assuming Huey is innocent because he voted for Rune on Day One. Of course ToDay he's made my brain hurt in a suspicious kind of way.

Speaking of aching brains, I have a nasty migraine and am leaving shortly for a friend's NYE gathering during which I will likely fall asleep on their couch within an hour. I'll probably vote soon.


x'd since Pitch

[satansaloser2005]

I swear I typed this, but apparently I didn't.

It seems to me like Pitch is twisting words, which doesn't strike me as his normal self. I'm well aware it might just be my migraine, so if others feel I'm reading too much into this, please let me know.


....I just received a reply to a FB message asking who Pitch is and whose words he is twisting. Ah, so that's what happened. I'm going mobile for the rest of the Day.

[satansaloser2005]

Just in case I pass out before I'm able to vote....

https://i.imgflip.com/1v8ita.jpg

If I don't make it back, that's pretty much what happened. :p

[Pitchwife]

No, not really - I did specifically say I don't think Huey is the wolf based on yesterday's voting.
Yeah, you did, I overlooked that. Sorry.

I can't help wondering whether Morsul's suspicion of Huey is as solid as his trust of Sally; it doesn't seem so as far as I can tell.

Between Nerwen and Lalaith, I'd prefer voting for Lalaith; I have a notion Nerwen might have done more than her analysis if not for time zone difference, whereas Lal made several posts but was almost Ms Agreeable in terms of voicing no suspicion.

[Pitchwife]

On the contrary, my dear sir. I in fact said (though admittedly in a different post) that Boro could be the cobbler, but if he is, he's not our target.
Picking a third party in this instance made him look better to several people, which is the opposite of a cobbler's job description.
?

[Lalaith]

Don´t want to go meta on everyone again but it is new years eve and I´m sneaking onto a computer at a party to do this so don´t expect much in depth analysis.
So early on in the Day I was thinking that I wouldn´t vote for Huey, Sally or Pitch (for reasons I stated earlier) and would probably go for one of the quiet ones (partly because I think we may have a quiet wolf or Cobbler and also on a selfish level with so few of us it makes it less fun to play if the active players are killed)
Now Huey, Sally and Pitch seem to be suspecting each other and I don´t know what to think. And Morsul has said some stuff which is usettling...

[Pitchwife]

Don´t want to go meta on everyone again but it is new years eve and I´m sneaking onto a computer at a party to do this so don´t expect much in depth analysis.
Fair enough. Enjoy yourself!
I think we may have a quiet wolf or Cobbler
Who, do you think, could that be?

[Lalaith]

Oh great. Just gone back through the thread and it seems we have a vote each for Huey, Nerwen and Pitch. Not mad about any of these choices. I would be up for voting for Boro (Cobbler or wolf acting as cobbler?) or, under certain circumstances, for Morsul. But with so few of us, it seems silly to start vote-spreading.

[satansaloser2005]

Regarding Pitch's question to me, I thought I read more than one person say Boro looked all right today, but I may have misremembered when making that post.

[Lalaith]

Who, do you think, could that be?
Good question. I thought Shasta, but then I always suspect Shasta, even when we´ve both been wolves together! :cool:
But of the quiets I actually have most mixed feelings about Morsul right now.
Of the three we have votes for at the moment, I´d be most inclined to go for Nerwen, mainly because I don´t think either Pitch or Huey are guilty. I´ll go and have another glass of champagne and think about it...

[satansaloser2005]

Lal, my dear, I like how you think....

[Pitchwife]

Regarding Pitch's question to me, I thought I read more than one person say Boro looked all right today
Well, since he's dropped his random goofy act he certainly looks better than he did yesterDay (which is no great feat)--which makes me raise an eyebrow at Lal's willingness to vote him based on my rehashed arguments from yesterDay.

(x-ed with Lalaith and Sally)

[Nerwen]

Oh great. Just gone back through the thread and it seems we have a vote each for Huey, Nerwen and Pitch. Not mad about any of these choices. I would be up for voting for Boro (Cobbler or wolf acting as cobbler?) or, under certain circumstances, for Morsul. But with so few of us, it seems silly to start vote-spreading.

Good question. I thought Shasta, but then I always suspect Shasta, even when we´ve both been wolves together! :cool:
But of the quiets I actually have most mixed feelings about Morsul right now.
Of the three we have votes for at the moment, I´d be most inclined to go for Nerwen, mainly because I don´t think either Pitch or Huey are guilty. I´ll go and have another glass of champagne and think about it...
A flag is raised. This looks like a possible attempt by Lalaith at avoiding "ownership" of her future vote. Note that this way she doesn't have to make a case against, or even express actual suspicion of whoever she ends up voting.

Will comment further when I've read the rest of the thread.

Edit: x'd with Pitch.

[Boromir88]

Back. Just in time, will be catching up on the thread.

[Pitchwife]

OK, voting time approaches. Of the three that have votes so far, I don't feel comfortable with lynching Huey or Nerwen (since she's back), and certainly not myself. I said I could see myself voting Lalaith, and nothing she's said so far has really changed this, so that's what I'll do most likely, but I'll vote to save myself if I have to.

[Boromir88]

Why the vote for Huey?

Wolf-on-wolf is of course nothing new/nothing that doesn't happen in almost every game, but with just 2, I can't imagine it being a successful strategy. Especially, a first time wolf bussing his only pack mate, with a seer around that the lone wolf also has to avoid/survive.

If anything sally's vote is more wolf-on-wolf, but even for the reasons given that by the time sally voted there was really no saving Rune anyway is a stretch for Day 1.

Seems pretty pointless to suspect the 2 remaining living Rune voters, considering it's just the day after their votes lynched a wolf.

[Galadriel55]

I am at a New Year dinner with family. Could someone please tell me the final vote tally at DL when the time comes? Pretty please and apologies.

[Lalaith]

Ok, the champagne hasn´t helped, I´m still confused. Pitch, Im not reallly sure why you suspect me and if we are both spared we can thrash it out tomorrow. I can see why Nerwen is cross and suspiciious about my voting for her but it really is Hobsons Choice here.
Well my dear creatures of the night, happy new year.
++ Nerwen

[Boromir88]

And why the votes against Nerwen?

I mean everyone realizes I had absolutely no good reason to vote for her yesterday, other than she terrifies me.

[satansaloser2005]

Between Pitch and Lal, I'll go with....

++Lal

Hedging my bets in case my migraine-induced paranoia made me overreact to Pitch.


X'd since Lal

[Boromir88]

Sooo its...

Morsul >>>Huey
Huey >>>Nerwen
Shasta >>>Pitch
Lalaith >>> Nerwen (2)
Sally >>> Lalaith

With Pitch, Nerwen, and myself left to vote.

[Pitchwife]

Allright then.

++Lalaith

Happy new year, and Sally, get better!

[Boromir88]

If I vote for Pitch. He's going to vote for Nerwen I'd assume And then Nerwen would vote for Pitch. If I vote for Nerwen she's getting lynched...garrr

[Boromir88]

++Pitch

[Pitchwife]

DL.

Morsul >>>Huey
Huey >>>Nerwen
Shasta >>>Pitch
Lalaith >>> Nerwen (2)
Sally >>> Lalaith
Pitch >>> Lalaith (2)
Boro >>> Pitch (2)

[Galadriel55]

Thank you Pitch!

Nerwen is the first to get 2 votes. She is the Ranger.

~~~~~~~~~~

The argument was heated, for one more wolf remained in the midst of the creatures who haunted Fornost Erain of old.

"It's the gorcrow," said the demigorgon.

"No, it's the bat," said the pair of eyes, squinting in his direction. "I can't see the gorcrow as evil."

"That's cause you're near blind," retorted the demigorgon, "that's why you squint.

"I squint," replied the eyes with dignity, "as a mark of constant suspicion and vigilance!"

"Hot be heart and hot be words, Hot the quarrel to draw swords..." mumbled the Wight in response.

Voices were raised and lots were cast, and the Wight was fated to die.

"She shouldn't have told us to quarrel and draw swords!" Said the teacup pomeranian, adjusting her bicorne hat.

"Indeed!" said the fell voice, and pulled out a sword out of thin air.

"You are making a grave mistake - " the Wight tried to give warning, but it was too late. The sword swung around and chopped off her head.


LIVING
Sally - Boo Joe, a teacup Pomeranian with abnormally sharp teeth and a Napoleon complex
Boro - a warg bred for a single purpose, never being on time
Lalaith - fell voice on the air
Pitch - undead vampire bat
Huinesoron - inverted gorcrow
Morsul - demigorgon
Shasta - squinting red eyes

DEAD
Rune - wolf, lynched D1
Inzil - ordo, killed N2
Nerwen - Ranger, lynched D2

[Galadriel55]

The demigorgon did not sleep well. Hos sleep was haunted by visions. A small noise made him open his eyes. In the dark, he saw two rows of teeth just above his head.

"Is this still a dream?"

"'Fraid not," said the wolf.




LIVING
Sally - Boo Joe, a teacup Pomeranian with abnormally sharp teeth and a Napoleon complex
Boro - a warg bred for a single purpose, never being on time
Lalaith - fell voice on the air
Pitch - undead vampire bat
Huinesoron - inverted gorcrow
Shasta - squinting red eyes

DEAD
Rune - wolf, lynched D1
Inzil - ordo, killed N2
Nerwen - Ranger, lynched D2
Morsul - Seer, killed N3

[satansaloser2005]

Yeeeeeeah, I saw that coming. :(

Also, my apologies to Nerwen. I done goofed real hard and didn't realize the state of things when I voted.

[satansaloser2005]

Obviously, for a whole bunch of reasons, I'm almost definitely voting for Huey today, but for now, I'm probably going to bed.

[Pitchwife]

Also, my apologies to Nerwen. I done goofed real hard and didn't realize the state of things when I voted.
You know, she needn't have died if Boro hadn't been so keen on lynching me over Lalaith. :rolleyes:

Off to work now, I'll rejoin you all when night falls on the old continent.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

You know, she needn't have died if Boro hadn't been so keen on lynching me over Lalaith. :rolleyes:

Off to work now, I'll rejoin you all when night falls on the old continent.

Bit of a travesty, that lynch. :rolleyes:

I'm almost certainly voting for Pitch again today.

[Huinesoron]

This post was written last Night, under the suspicion that Morsul would be nightkilled and confirmed as Seer.

Well... bother. :( That couldn't have gone much worse.

With only six people remaining, I'll start again with my impressions of everyone, but first I'll address the Oliphaunt in the room: yes, I know this looks bad for me. But a Seer who had caught the last wolf would just straight up say 'I'm the Seer, and he's the Wolf' - with eight villagers left, that's a 100% certain village win. So no, Morsul couldn't have dreamed of me.

Sally - Innocent, as confirmed by Morsul in post 91:

I'm just going on information I'm Seeing is all, and that's that I trust Sally. So I'm inclined to see where she's coming from.

I don't think there's any room for doubt on this.

Boro - weird Day One, sounded sensible early Day Two. Late posts in Day Two also sound fairly reasonable.

Question for Boro: was your Pitch vote just an attempt to prevent Nerwen being lynched, or did you suspect him? (And if so, why?)

Pitch - Looking over everything... could the painting of Boro as suspect on Day One be weaker than I thought at the time? He was certainly quick to peg him as Moon Moon, and I agree with Shasta that Boro was clearly roleplaying/being playful with this comment:

Who's to say we HAVE to lynch anyone today? Is a random vote for the goofiest one any different than a random vote for the most talkative? A random vote for the most absent? Who's to say there are even murderers? Or that the only murderer is the Blossom?

Pitch jumping on him for that was a bit much. And then... let's see. He initially says we should ignore Boro as a possible cobbler, then in post 44 simultaneously casts suspicion on me and dismisses the argument against RuneWolf. That post also drops the first suggestion that BoroMoon could be BoroWolf, which was presumably the justification for his Boro vote Day One. Could this have been an effort to save Rune by offering an alternate candidate who'd also been suspicious all day? Zil hadn't yet made the second Rune vote, and in fact there were five people yet to vote.

Day Two... he backs off a bit on Boro, but still keeps discussing him for most of the day. He shifts to suspecting Lalaith (eventually) on... fairly solid grounds (see below). And that's the thing. Yes, it's possible to construe Pitch's behaviour as wolfish, but it just feels too organic and natural for that. The (joking?) initial Moon Moon accusation against Boro was reinforced by Boro's behaviour, and it all follows from there.

Shasta - Other than a post-vote post (123), spends most of the day either professing my innocence (which is nice, but kind of suspect given that most other people found me suspicious) or suspecting Pitch. That final post tags four of the other seven villagers as probable innocents, Boro as a possible Moon Moon, Pitch as the wolf (hence the vote), and Lalaith as an 'outside shot' wolf candidate. If we have wolf!Shasta, this would be setup for (if Pitch was lynched) shifting to attacking Lalaith today.

But... I don't think it's likely. I think the Pitch reading is a valid interpretation, and with comments on 3/7 (4 if you include Lalaith from the late post) villagers, Shasta hasn't really been tunnelling on one person like it seems at first.

Lalaith - Cast the second vote for Nerwen, lynching her. Also cast that suspicious vote for Sally on Day One, taking us up to 5/10 on the block - and Sally is confirmed innocent, if that matters here.

The Nerwen vote could have been a shot at a Gifted (I didn't see any hints, but I could've missed them), or a neat way to implicate me - 'voted innocent + dead Seer suspected him' is a good combo. And why did she say she voted Nerwen? Nerwen herself highlighted it:

This looks like a possible attempt by Lalaith at avoiding "ownership" of her future vote. Note that this way she doesn't have to make a case against, or even express actual suspicion of whoever she ends up voting.

Both our Seer-confirmed innocent (Sally) and someone I can't see as suspicious (Pitch) voted for Lalaith. Argh, I wish I'd been able to stay later! Reading something like this:

Lal made several posts but was almost Ms Agreeable in terms of voicing no suspicion.

Could have backed up my own suspicions:

Lalaith voted yesterDay to put half the village on the block, claiming just not to have noticed. Her first post toDay included a big paragraph about cobblers, who aren't actually our priority target. She's also spent a fair amount of time clearing people - me, Sally, Pitch - based on yesterday's events, which could be suspect, but feels more like genuine thoughts.

(Emphasis added)

... and maybe led me to vote for her instead of Nerwen.

Lalaith - who do you actually suspect? I haven't seen very much indicating you think anyone's guilty. Who is your #1 pick for the last wolf?

hS

[Huinesoron]

Obviously, for a whole bunch of reasons, I'm almost definitely voting for Huey today, but for now, I'm probably going to bed.

I would appreciate you (or someone else) outlining what exactly those reasons are.

hS

[Huinesoron]

From what I can see, Sally and Morsul suspected me primarily because wolf-on-wolf behaviour is possible (and was used by Morsul in his first game). There was also this:

Huey - For some wacky logic that seems off

But I don't know what Sally is thinking of, specifically. My logic may be wrong at times, but I've always tried to draw the best conclusions I could given the information I had. Unlike Morsul and Sally, I had no evidence Sally was innocent until Morsul Seer-cleared her (at which point I did my best to gracefully drop the issue).

Moving on from talking about myself... Pitch makes a good point here:

You know, she needn't have died if Boro hadn't been so keen on lynching me over Lalaith.

I'd missed this in my long post, but Boro voted right at deadline in a way that wouldn't alter the outcome of the lynch. He had a choice between lynching Lalaith or Nerwen (assuming Nerwen wasn't about to make a last-second vote), and chose to disown the decision by voting for a third party.

I would really like to hear more from Boro. His active-but-weird Day One was followed by a quiet-but-reasonable Day Two. Dare we hope for active-and-reasonable toDay?

Boro, Lalaith, Pitch, Shasta - there's a wolf and a cobbler in those four. And Boro and Lalaith are the ones who seem strangest.

hS

[Lalaith]

. You know, she needn't have died if Boro hadn't been so keen on lynching me over Lalaith

Funnily enough, I feel the same way - as an ordo I am clearly of much less use to the village than Ranger Nerwen- if she hadn´t died then we would probably still have our Seer too.:(
Having said that, Nerwen not voting two days in a row might have led her to die anyway?
Which leads me on to Morsul. Like I expect a few others I picked up on his Seer hints, but as this was coupled with his clear suspicion of Huey I too followed the reasoning Huey mapped out below:
But a Seer who had caught the last wolf would just straight up say 'I'm the Seer, and he's the Wolf' -
I wondered if Morsul was Moon Moon as a result, hence my comments about disquiet in posts 129 and 131. - and my suspicion, picked on by Pitch, that a wolf or cobbler was "one of the quiet ones". However I couldn´t just come out and accuse Morsul outright, in case he was the real Seer.
However, this disquiet is obviously now dispelled with the sad events of last night.

Anyway I also agree that Sally at least is clearly innocent. (reading the rules again I see that the Seer can confirm all roles so would see if she were Moon Moon)

The obvious question is - did he also dream of Huey? The answer to the question, why didn´t he say so, might be that he found it unsporting to end the game on Day 2. My other question is, given that Morsul missed the first day, did he also miss the first dream?
State of play - we are down to six, we have four innocents who wish this village well, one of whom is, I am pretty sure, a confirmed innocent. There is the wolf and Moon Moon who may or may not have worked out who his wannabe packmate is.

Lalaith - who do you actually suspect? I haven't seen very much indicating you think anyone's guilty. Who is your #1 pick for the last wolf?

Well the answer to this, dear Huey, is obviously you, given the hints left by our late lamented Seer. But see my reservations above.

Who would be my suspect number two? My voting has sucked this far, and is partly explained by trying to make up my mind in the early hours of the night, fuddled by exhaustion or champagne. I will read through this thread again (thankfully it´s not too long) to see what I come up with.

[Huinesoron]

The obvious question is - did he also dream of Huey? The answer to the question, why didn´t he say so, might be that he found it unsporting to end the game on Day 2. My other question is, given that Morsul missed the first day, did he also miss the first dream?

I think he must have. His quote on the matter:

Sally to answer your question, I didn't realize we were starting I got me days mixed up.

If he got his days mixed up, he can't have sent in a Seer request on the initial Night.

There's also the fact that he took pains to clear Sally, but didn't mention anyone else as in the clear. So either he dreamed of Rune or Zil (always possible), or me as a wolf and decided that winning is for suckers (I guess?), or... he wasn't here, as he suggested. Looks most likely to me.

hS

[Lalaith]

So I started re-reading everything but only got as far as page 2 before RL commitments took over. I´ve focused on the surviving suspects. Here´s what I´ve come up with so far.

Huey – starts off with banter with wolf-Rune and writes a poem mostly about his suspicions of Boro.
Argues with Boro about first-day productivity and then semi-agrees with Pitch that Boro might be Moon Moon. Reading back over day 1 I realise that there really was a high level of interaction between wolf-Rune and Huey.
Rune says, like Boro, that he doesn´t want to vote for Huey on the first day of the first game, and he votes for Zil instead. If the two were packmates, that would make sense, but it would also make sense if they weren´t, as wolf-Rune would on a meta level still want to be sporting.
Huey makes the first vote for wolf-Rune, which as Boro and others have pointed out, was a high-risk strategy for a wolf-Huey when only two wolves were in play. This is still a point in his favour for me, despite Seer-Morsul´s suspicions.
Boro – also starts with banter, mainly interacting with ranger Nerwen. Says he´s suspicious of too much productivity (which actually kind of makes sense) Keeps saying that he doesn´t like first day lynches (neither do I, in general, although in this game it proved unusually fruitful) But anyway, this statement could be said by either a bad or good Boro. Next day he feels he helped to expose Rune. The dubious Boro behaviour people commented on actually feels less dubious now on second reading.

Pitch – sums up everybody´s behaviour so far and thinks Boro is Moon Moon. Gets annoyed with Boro for suggesting (probably in jest) a no-lynch first day.
Says this about Rune which to me sounds like quite honest wolf-hunting,
I see what you mean about Rune, he was a bit quick to agree without a good reason. He seems to be rather skimming the thread than digging in.
Now when he votes (for Boro) he asks Nerevar to guide him. I had no idea what this means and had to google it but this Elder Scrolls character appears to be the owner of a Moon and Star ring. Is this some sort of “I am Moon Moon” hint?
The next day he is arguing that Sally could still be guilty because Rune was apparently doomed on only 2 votes. I took issue with this and still do (Sally of course now a confirmed innocent)

Ironically, two out of the three non-voters on Day one are now confirmed innocents.
And something Sally about my voting for her Why not vote for an established candidate? Reflecting on this comment it struck me it´s actually a good case for my innocence. This is exactly what a Lal-wolf at that stage of voting would have done when a sole packmate was at risk - gone for Zil, Boro or Nerwen. There are players who take a more high-risk approach to wolfing but I´m not one of them.

[satansaloser2005]

Uh, right, there are only two wolves, so Morsul's post about voting Huey unless the seer came forward (and saying that was unlikely) probably isn't what I thought it was. Oops? (https://youtu.be/D5fnE7T3sYs)

Sigh. :(

Work is quite busy today, and I didn't really have time to catch up over lunch. I'll be back in roughly five hours and will be able to get more done.

[Huinesoron]

Reading back over day 1 I realise that there really was a high level of interaction between wolf-Rune and Huey.

Oh, come now, really? -_^ I've just gone back and checked this, because it simply wasn't believable.

Posts in the first 40 (ie, until I left on Day 1):

Galadriel - 3
Huinesoron - 9
Rune - 9
Nerwen - 1
Boro - 6
Lalaith - 1
Zil - 4
Pitch - 6

(Hand counted; yes, I know there's one missing, don't know where)

People I directly addressed:
Rune - 3
Boro - 6
Sally - 1
Nerwen - 1
Pitch - 3

(+2 posts discussing everyone)

Times people directly addressed me:

Rune - 4
Boro - 2
Pitch - 3
Zil - 2

So no. There really wasn't.

hS

[Pitchwife]

Now when he [i.e. I, Pitch] votes (for Boro) he asks Nerevar to guide him. I had no idea what this means and had to google it but this Elder Scrolls character appears to be the owner of a Moon and Star ring. Is this some sort of “I am Moon Moon” hint?
Honestly, I love this interpretation and almost wish it were true.:D Nerevar guide me is a battlecry uttered by the Dunmer in Skyrim (who venerate Nerevar as a saint). I used to conclude my voting posts with Á vala Manwë!, but having played lots of Skyrim in the past years I felt some change was in order. Believe what you will though.

Since you asked for an explanation why I suspected you yesterDay, Lal, you talked a lot about who you didn't think was a wolf but didn't actively suspect anybody, much less give any arguments for a suspicion, except when you borrowed what I'd said about Boro on D1. Plausible behaviour for a low-lying lone wolf who hoped to avoid confrontation IMO. Nerwen's observation in #136, about you diffusing responsibility for your vote, fits with this. (By the way, did you notice nothing about that post that might have kept you from voting Nerwen if you're innocent?)

[Huinesoron]

Reflecting on this comment it struck me it´s actually a good case for my innocence. This is exactly what a Lal-wolf at that stage of voting would have done when a sole packmate was at risk - gone for Zil, Boro or Nerwen. There are players who take a more high-risk approach to wolfing but I´m not one of them.

This actually feels like a moderately sound point - why would Lalwolf vote for an absentee rather than doing something to save her packmate? But... there were five people yet to vote and about an hour to go, so if you thought someone else (Boro or Zil had a vote each) looked more suspicious, you could've been expecting someone else to lay down a vote. Or there could be another reason behind it (perhaps by that point you were sure Zil would vote Rune, and with no-one else around you figured a vote elsewhere would be an obvious attempt to save him)... I dunno, 'I can't be a wolf because I would have done this instead' just sounds really sketchy to me.

(By the way, did you notice nothing about that post that might have kept you from voting Nerwen if you're innocent?)

...?

[Huinesoron]

Sally - it would be good to know when you get back if you still feel [b]Boro[/i] is a definite Ordo, following his seeming decision yesterday to vote so as not to affect the lynch.

[Pitchwife]

Da votez (known innocents italicized):

#113 Morsul -> Huey, because 'as Sally said easy first vote' could be wolf-on-wolf, and Rune's comments on Huey could be 'wolf-to-wolf communication'.

It doesn't seem like Morsul dreamt Huey, rather like he was taking a lead from Sally, whom he had dreamt and found innocent (he pretty much said so in #91). So Morsul being confirmed as the Seer says nothing about Huey's guilt or innocence.

#119 Huey -> Nerwen (1) because she 'makes big posts that don't seem oriented on actually finding wolves', referring to her analysis of the Zil kill. So basically because of one early D2 post that didn't come to any definite conclusion about who killed Zil why. I find that a shaky reason.

#122 Shasta -> Pitch (1), because I pushed Boro too hard and tried to 'subtly push suspicion on not-Rune' on D1. Looking back on D1 now, I get that it may look like this and he may be genuine.

#141 Lalaith -> Nerwen (2) 'because I don't think either Pitch or Huey are guilty' and 'with so few of us, it seems silly to start vote-spreading'. Nerwen herself commented on how Lalaith was very non-committal here and made it look like her vote was forced by circumstance. Furry-looking vote IMO.

#143 Sally -> Lal (1): 'For spreading things too thin yesterday', and possibly following Shasta's #123 where he mentioned Lalaith as 'outside shot at her being the wolf based on absenteeism'. Known innocent vote, what can I say.

#145 Pitch -> Lal (2), for reasons given in earlier posts and summarized in my last. Also because, after Nerwen's #136, I wanted to push an alternative to her that wasn't myself.

#147 Boro -> Pitch (2), no reason given. Revenge for D1, piggybacking on Shasta's suspicion, or just trying to save Nerwen (as his preceding post seems to suggest)?
Boro, I'd really like to know whether you saw my vote before you voted.

So far Huey's, Lal's and Boro's votes seem the most dubious to me.

[Pitchwife]

...?
See above.

[Huinesoron]

#119 Huey -> Nerwen (1) because she 'makes big posts that don't seem oriented on actually finding wolves', referring to her analysis of the Zil kill. So basically because of one early D2 post that didn't come to any definite conclusion about who killed Zil why. I find that a shaky reason.

It was shaky - I said somewhere (#119, actually, with my vote) that it was 'in the absence of better candidates'. But it wasn't just based on the one post - I was also thinking of her #78, which looked longer on my phone and basically says 'yesterday doesn't show us any packmates for Rune, unless it does'.

And that's two of the four posts she'd made at the time I voted. The others were a poem and the word 'Hey'.

I accept that the premise for my vote was shaky (and, quite obviously, wrong), but I'd prefer to have it accurately represented. :)

See above.

What, the eye? I spotted that when looking for something to explain your comment. What does the eye mean? (Silly question - I guess it means 'I'm a Ranger and am saying so in a way that older players understand'.)

hS

[Pitchwife]

Some of the post icons have sometimes been used as hints from or for the Gifted: the Sword for the Ranger, the Arrow for the Hunter, the Eye or Palantir for the Seer.

Nerwen using the Eye could either have been a Seer hint contesting Morsul's claim (and for all we knew at the time Morsul could still have been a fraud), or an attempt to confuse the wolf and distract them from Morsul, like a good innocent; either way it wouldn't have been a good idea to lynch her.

[Pitchwife]

But it wasn't just based on the one post - I was also thinking of her #78, which looked longer on my phone and basically says 'yesterday doesn't show us any packmates for Rune, unless it does'.
Well, that's a somewhat reductionist reading. She was reacting to your speculation and mine about a silent wolf among the non-voters, specifically my observation that there was no overt attempt to save Rune, and saying that Rune's packmate could still be among the early voters - which was a valid point.

Also, adding a disclaimer to your vote like you and Lalaith did isn't generally considered a sign of innocence. "I'm forced to vote this way for lack of anything better, but I don't really mean it." Easy for a wolf to hide behind that.

[Lalaith]

Lal, 1.42am GMT 1st January
Don´t want to go meta on everyone again but it is new years eve and I´m sneaking onto a computer at a party to do this so don´t expect much in depth analysis.
Pitch, 1.50am 1st January
Fair enough. Enjoy yourself!

Pitch, at 7.33pm GMT 1st January
(By the way, did you notice nothing about that post that might have kept you from voting Nerwen if you're innocent?)

Blimey, I´m glad you´re not my boss IRL :rolleyes:

[Huinesoron]

Well, that's a somewhat reductionist reading. She was reacting to your speculation and mine about a silent wolf among the non-voters, specifically my observation that there was no overt attempt to save Rune, and saying that Rune's packmate could still be among the early voters - which was a valid point.

Absolutely, and also she wasn't a Wolf, but was the Ranger. I accept that my interpretation was wrong, but still don't want the fact that I actually had one to be dismissed.

Also, adding a disclaimer to your vote like you and Lalaith did isn't generally considered a sign of innocence. "I'm forced to vote this way for lack of anything better, but I don't really mean it." Easy for a wolf to hide behind that.

Stars, no, please don't declare me innocent for that! I see your point, but at the time her absence and (what I interpreted as) long posts saying nothing really did look more wolfish than Lalaith's posting to my eyes. I was a bit off-balance due to having my main suspects - Morsul and Sally, earlier in the day - taken very abruptly off the table when it was already 9pm on New Year's Eve.

~

From today's posters, I find you (Pitch) much less suspicious than Lalaith; while I've accused you both of misrepresenting me, your response holds together, while Lalaith also advanced the 'maybe the seer just didn't feel like winning' idea - and still hasn't named a suspect other than 'Huinesoron if the Seer dreamed of him'. Of the people who've posted today, I would lynch her over you (or obviously Sally).

But I'm really nervous about Boro's continued silence. Goofiness Day One, and then fading into the background after 'clearing' himself by claiming it was all a ploy? I don't like it.

hS

[Pitchwife]

Lal: Touché, I suppose:D; it was a special night after all. I don't think what I referred to required much in depth analysis, but if you didn't notice, that would make your vote rather less suspicious than more.

[Lalaith]

Ok.
I´ve been reading over everything since page 2 now, and I am pretty sure Huey is the Cobbler. On Day 2 he said at least twice "I can´t see Pitchwife as a wolf." So there I was thinking that Morsul was a Cobbler masquerading as a Seer, but it was Huey all along.
Which by the way, is a sensible explanation for why Morsul voted for him but didn´t out himself as the Seer. He´d found the Cobbler but hadn´t found the second wolf yet.

[Huinesoron]

Ok.
I´ve been reading over everything since page 2 now, and I am pretty sure Huey is the Cobbler. On Day 2 he said at least twice "I can´t see Pitchwife as a wolf." So there I was thinking that Morsul was a Cobbler masquerading as a Seer, but it was Huey all along.
Which by the way, is a sensible explanation for why Morsul voted for him but didn´t out himself as the Seer. He´d found the Cobbler but hadn´t found the second wolf yet.

There are 20 uses of the word 'see ' on page 3 of the thread (posts 81-120), and well over half of them are mine - it's just a word I use a lot. I shall make a mental note to see about being more careful with my word-use in a context where 'see' could actually be a message.

This sort of stretch is why I'm starting to worry that you could be Moon Moon rathet than a wolf. You look suspicious, but maybe too obviously suspicious? Like you're deliberately saying things like this to get yourself lynched in place of...

... who? Pitch looks- er, sounds like an Ordo. Shasta didn't make me suspicious yesterday. And our cleared innocent claimed Boro looked - dangit, sounded - utterly fine yesterday, and he's barely said anything since.

I don't know. Hopefully Boro, Sally, and Shasta show up in the next hour and a half.

hS

[Pitchwife]

Ok.
I´ve been reading over everything since page 2 now, and I am pretty sure Huey is the Cobbler. On Day 2 he said at least twice "I can´t see Pitchwife as a wolf." So there I was thinking that Morsul was a Cobbler masquerading as a Seer, but it was Huey all along.
Which obviously revolves around me being the wolf--an assumption you came up with rather suddenly once I put pressure on you.

The fun thing is, I was just beginning to consider you and Huey as a wolf & cobbler team, not sure who was master who disciple.
Which by the way, is a sensible explanation for why Morsul voted for him but didn´t out himself as the Seer. He´d found the Cobbler but hadn´t found the second wolf yet.
No. Morsul by his own words dreamed innocent!Sally on N2, and equally by his own words 'didn't realize we were starting I got me days mixed up' (#85). If he didn't realize D1 was D1, he wouldn't have known to send in a dream the preceding Night. Nice try though.

(x-ed with Huey)

[Lalaith]

Which obviously revolves around me being the wolf--an assumption you came up with rather suddenly once I put pressure on you.

Whoa, slow down there sailor. A cobbler Huey thinking you're a wolf doesn't necessarily involve you being a wolf. However, if you insist...:Merisu:


No. Morsul by his own words dreamed innocent!Sally on N2, and equally by his own words 'didn't realize we were starting I got me days mixed up' (#85). If he didn't realize D1 was D1, he wouldn't have known to send in a dream the preceding Night. Nice try though.

That was something I wondered might have happened, in my post 158 at the beginning of toDay. Doesn't mean it actually did happen. Morsul on the admin thread (where you must tell the truth) simply said he had missed the voting deadline for the first time, what he says on the game thread may or may not be true.

All this aside I am conscious of the fact that only three of the remaining six survivors have been posting today so it is little wonder we are all getting a little snarly.
I need to go to bed soon and would really very much like to hear from Boro, Shasta and Sally before I do so.

[Boromir88]

#147 Boro -> Pitch (2), no reason given. Revenge for D1, piggybacking on Shasta's suspicion, or just trying to save Nerwen (as his preceding post seems to suggest)?
Boro, I'd really like to know whether you saw my vote before you voted.


I did. I pointed out earlier that I didn't know how she had gotten votes, because my Day 1 vote was a throw away based on absolutely nothing. I was thinking Nerwen was still around and going to vote, so was throwing the ball in her court to either vote for you or Lalaith, since she had mentioned red flags on both of you.

Alas she didn't vote at all. If I had any reason to think she was the Ranger, or that she wasn't going to vote I would have voted for Lalaith.

[satansaloser2005]

I'm home and famished. You kids play nicely while Sally makes herself some puppy chow. :Merisu:

By the way, I have a hopefully not wacky theory: Maybe Morsul dreamt of Huey as the cobbler? His post (which I'll link here (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showthread.php?p=710158#post710158) once I find it again) really seemed like a seer hint, but obviously he hadn't found the second wolf, because he would have just flat out said so.

I'll catch up while I eat. Back in a few minutes.


EDIT: Clarifying that I haven't read anything since about noon. Make of that what you will.

[Boromir88]

By the way, I have a hopefully not wacky theory: Maybe Morsul dreamt of Huey as the cobbler? His post (which I'll link HERE once I find it again) really seemed like a seer hint, but obviously he hadn't found the second wolf, because he would have just flat out said so.

I'll catch up while I eat. Back in a few minutes.


EDIT: Clarifying that I haven't read anything since about noon. Make of that what you will.

Well, he could have been giving a signal of who he was going to dream of the next, which left wolf-Huey to go after the Morsul-seer who was now going to be unprotected at night and if wolf-Huey deduced Morsul was the seer.

Or the lone wolf is trying a frame job on Huey, to make it look like Morsul was going to dream Huey next.

[Pitchwife]

OK, I've got to vote and go to bed rather soonish. It rather sucks that we three Europeans are left to slam this out between us, but pending Boro's reappearance and an explanation of what the Angband he thought he was doing yesterDay I'll probably vote Lalaith over Huey.

(post coinciding with an appearance of Americans)

I was thinking Nerwen was still around and going to vote, so was throwing the ball in her court to either vote for you or Lalaith, since she had mentioned red flags on both of you.

Alas she didn't vote at all. If I had any reason to think she was the Ranger, or that she wasn't going to vote I would have voted for Lalaith.
I didn't see where she red-flagged me, but if she did, fair enough.

[QUOTE=satansaloser2005;710250]
By the way, I have a hopefully not wacky theory: Maybe Morsul dreamt of Huey as the cobbler?/QUOTE]
See above why I don't think that's possible.

[satansaloser2005]

Well, he could have been giving a signal of who he was going to dream of the next, which left wolf-Huey to go after the Morsul-seer who was now going to be unprotected at night and if wolf-Huey deduced Morsul was the seer.

Maaaaaaybe, but that doesn't strike me as Morsul behavior.


x'd with Pitch

[Lalaith]

Ahem. Sally, Boro, please read my post 174...

[satansaloser2005]

Ahem. Sally, Boro, please read my post 174...

I'm caught up now. :o

[Huinesoron]

I was thinking Nerwen was still around and going to vote, so was throwing the ball in her court to either vote for you or Lalaith, since she had mentioned red flags on both of you.

At one minute before deadline?!

Or the lone wolf is trying a frame job on Huey, to make it look like Morsul was going to dream Huey next.

Are you proposing Sally as the wolf, or claiming it yourself?

hS

[Pitchwife]

In fact, let's:

++Lalaith
For pushing Nerranger's lynch yesterDay, and grasping at straws toDay (Morsul dreaming Huey is just construed).

I won't be coming back before DL, so lynch wisely.

[Boromir88]

At one minute before deadline?!

Aye. She had posted not too long before that, so I assumed she was around at the DL and would be voting to save herself.



Are you proposing Sally as the wolf, or claiming it yourself?

hS

No. Sally's not the wolf. Taking into account, her Day 1 vote for Runewolf, her really just positive and helpful posts, and pretty rock solid confirmation from the dead Seer, I'm putting her as a certain innocent and will more than likely be following however she votes today. Because while we can all be very wrong on things, I can say besides myself her judgement and voting is coming from a place of good intentions.

And with that being said on sally, she's probably the next one to die if we don't lynch the wolf today. My dear, help us all you can while you can, you're our only hope now.

I'm claiming, whoever the wolf is.. First Zil mentions your jumpiness, he dies. Then Morsul votes for you, he dies and he's the seer. So either the remaining wolf is framing you hardcore to make it look like YOU are the last wolf trying to knock off the seer before getting dreamed of...or you actually are the remaining wolf, and since your partner Rune was lynched Day 1, you had to get the seer before seer got you.

[Lalaith]

And with that being said on sally, she's probably the next one to die if we don't lynch the wolf today. My dear, help us all you can while you can, you're our only hope now.
I second this and with even more urgency as I am literally falling asleep.

[satansaloser2005]

I have a reading of Morsul's posts open in another tab, but it's hurting my brain.

Are we absolutely sure Morsul didn't send in a dream on the opening Night of the game? (I'm asking Gal in particular, but I'm not really expecting an answer.)

[Huinesoron]

So either the remaining wolf is framing you hardcore to make it look like YOU are the last wolf trying to knock off the seer before getting dreamed of...or you actually are the remaining wolf, and since your partner Rune was lynched Day 1, you had to get the seer before seer got you.

Or maybe literally any wolf in history would kill a revealed Seer, regardless of whether they were under suspicion or not.

I find this argument and your last-second vote both suspicious, and would really appreciate an answer from Sally on whether she still thinks you're innocent. In the next 20 minutes or so, I will either vote Lalaith or Boromir - but I still don't know which.

hS

PS: Sally, if he did send in a Night One dream, then he lied when he said he mixed up the days.

[satansaloser2005]

:mad: No touching my prince! :mad:

:Merisu:

[satansaloser2005]

Hello.

Reading.

Glad things worked out yesterday. One down one to go. Sally to answer your question, I didn't realize we were starting I got me days mixed up.

Y'all know I usually don't shut up :p.

Blah. He does realize there are only two wolves though, which matters in the grand scheme.

Ok. Huey strikes me as suspicious.

As Sally said easy first vote. But there's also Inzil's death now it could have been an easy no trace kill but not gonna lie, if I were in the wolf's shoes I'd had taken me(Morsul) out. I literally didn't post so there'd REALLY be nothing to go on.

Inzil also seemed to push on Boro a bit... worried about making a band wagon or just misdirection?

He almost certainly didn't get a first Night dream, so at this point, he likely knows no more than the rest of us.

I don't entirely get the point of that last bit. We (and certainly Morsul) knew Dun wasn't the seer, so why make a point of this at all.

Also, notice he says Huey is suspicious but then goes off on a tangent about how the wolves might have done as well to have killed him. (Sigh.) In any case, he just echoes my (not even formed yet) suspicion of Huey and doesn't go into why.

Unrelated...

Since when can we post pictures?

Blah.

From Rune

[Huinesoron – By far the most interesting person in the village. Very active, if a little bit jumpy. Is this an Alpha that enjoys the spotlight (perhaps there is even an evil plan) or is it a very eager Ordo?

I would not want to vote for Huey, as I don’t know him, and I want to see where he takes this over the next few days.

Now I might just be dialing in too closely but could this be wolf to wolf communication?
(Evil plan) as in "Huey stick to the plan"? And then sort of "hey guys ignore him for a while.

He's either reading too much into this or he's telling us something. Something about the language of his post seems different. It's the conspiracy theorist in me.

Wouldn't know what the plan is. I do know wolf on wolf suspicions aren't a new strategy and can easily hide a newer player. I used the tactic my first game out.

I'm just going on information I'm Seeing is all, and that's that I trust Sally. So I'm inclined to see where she's coming from.

Again, talking about Huey. It's almost all he does. That said, there's really no other way to read his statement about me.... :rolleyes:

I think I accidentally read his response to Rune as against Boro when it was neutral. As for misdirection I meant a wolf might want us looking at who Zil suspected.

This is Morsul's only post of substance in which he doesn't mention Huey directly. I know there aren't that many posts to begin with, but....

Day 1 I was absent...
Day 2 I'll have to vote early wife and I are going to a movie. So I'll be voting soon)

Probably Huey unless the Seer themselves says otherwise. Which is unlikely.

Obviously the seer isn't going to say otherwise....

So we have the two absentees Myself and Shastaworking overtime coming to two different conclusions. I'm curious what others think.

Blah, more or less.

++Huey

For stated reasons. Happy Hunting happy New Year.

And that's the end of Morsul's posts, talking again about Huey.


I mean, don't get me wrong here. I don't necessarily disagree that Morsul dreamt me; it's possible he didn't and just read me well, but his certainty of tone and choice of capitalization rather give it (and him) away.

That said, he talks about Huey in almost every post, and talks about everyone else basically not at all.


I need ice cream....

[satansaloser2005]

Could kill: Huey, Pitchwife, Lal

NO KILLING: Sally, Boro, Shasta (in memory of Nerwen)

The lists are in no real order.

[Boromir88]

Or maybe literally any wolf in history would kill a revealed Seer, regardless of whether they were under suspicion or not.


Correct, which is why I'm claiming the deaths of Zil and Morsul make you look the worst of everyone here, so either you're innocent and the night kills are setting you up for an easy lynch target, or you are the wolf.

[satansaloser2005]

Correct, which is why I'm claiming the deaths of Zil and Morsul make you look the worst of everyone here, so either you're innocent and the night kills are setting you up for an easy lynch target, or you are the wolf.

I want my cobbler theory to be correct, because it would explain everything....


ETA: For Gal, as it is apparently my 5,555th post!

https://i.imgflip.com/1b1xon.jpg

[Huinesoron]

That said, he talks about Huey in almost every post, and talks about everyone else basically not at all.

Believe me, I've been trying to square that with him being Seer since yesterDay evening. But he was, and he did, and it can't have been a dream (from my perspective this is absolutely certain, of course). So I don't know.

But I do know this:

:mad: No touching my prince! :mad:

:Merisu:

If a known innocent who knows him says Boro is innocent, then I'm not voting for him. And that means:

++Lalaith

For suspicious voting habits, and dodgy logical leaps all Day.

(I'm not purely going on Sally's say-so re: Boro, either: the fact that he showed up with very patchy arguments right when Lalaith was getting most of the heat is more likely to make him cobbler to her wolf than the other way round. Since I see no reason to distrust Pitch or Shasta at the moment, that's my working theory.)

I hope to see you all toMorrow for a victory party.

hS, roosting upside-down in a tree and hoping fervently for the best

[satansaloser2005]

Follow me along a short rabbit trail. NOT YOU, MOON MOON!

https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/animal-jam-clans-1/images/1/1f/Guys-wolf-name-moon-moonmoon-internet-meme-13.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20160917181945

If Huey is Moon Moon (I SAID STAY), then to recycle my previous logic from discussions regarding Boro, we need to leave him alone.

So....I guess Pitch or Lal then? At least for today?

x'd with Huey

[Lalaith]

Victory party, you say? Lynching me now will almost certainly make it a victory party for the wolves, I'm afraid.
Anyway, I just can't stay awake any longer. Sally and other innocents, I am going to go with the suggestion of our dead Seer and vote for Huey. I think, for what it's worth, that given his jumpiness today, that pitch is probably also a baddie.
It is a pity, for the sake of the village, that I wasn't lynched in nerwens place yesterday as it would put us in a much stronger position today. But never mind. Let's do our best.
++Huey

[Lalaith]

Cross post with Sally
Sorry my dear. I wanted to follow your lead but you tarried too long. (Not to the extent of voting for myself but..)

[satansaloser2005]

Cross post with Sally
Sorry my dear. I wanted to follow your lead but you tarried too long. (Not to the extent of voting for myself but..)

No worries, darling. I don't even want to follow my lead right now. :p

Maybe I'll put some Bailey's in this ice cream....

[Boromir88]

The case against Lal seems pretty weak...I mean to me it seems based off not a very good track record of voting, but when you're flying blind I'd be suspicious of anyone who had a squeaky clean voting record.

A wolf isn't flying blind, but they have to manufacture a case of suspicion against innocents. Often times blind innocents make their own mistakes in voting that wolves jump on. Lal's voting record isn't good, but her reasoning for her votes look genuine. Better than some of my reasoning anyway, and better than Pitch's.

[Galadriel55]

I have a reading of Morsul's posts open in another tab, but it's hurting my brain.

Are we absolutely sure Morsul didn't send in a dream on the opening Night of the game? (I'm asking Gal in particular, but I'm not really expecting an answer.)

Alas, I don't think it would be fair to answer yea or nay with regard to Nightly activities. Many things can happen IRL to interfere with playing for various time intervals, but in the end I think it's most fair to rely on what players post themselves. I leave it up to you to interpret Morsul's posts either way.

[satansaloser2005]

Apropos of nothing, I'm uncomfortable with the lack of Shasta. :(


x'd with Gal. As I expected, and quite right, m'lady.

[satansaloser2005]

Since it's so quiet at the moment, I'm going to attend to some things around the house. I'll check back in a little while and hopefully I won't be all by myself. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NGrLb6W5YOM)

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Apropos of nothing, I'm uncomfortable with the lack of Shasta. :(


x'd with Gal. As I expected, and quite right, m'lady.



At work all day. I'm still convinced the wolf is Pitch, but I'm torn on Moon Moon. I'm more inclined to believe that Day 1-Boro was just roleplay-y and that it's Lal or Huey, in that order.

[satansaloser2005]

At work all day.

*nuzzles*

Welcome back. :Merisu:

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Actually, shower thought - Huey could be Moon Moon. His defense of Pitch doesn't really have any meat to it other than "well he just sounds like an Ordo". I don't recall (and this could just be my bad memory) that he ever actually answered the points I brought up against Pitch, just sort oF handwaved them.

As for Lal... I don't actually think this sort of "oh it's all so confusing" style is entirely out of her Ordo range, to be honest.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Huey and Pitch are voting together, even. I think that clinches it.

With the votes as they are, I hope Sally and Boro are both around. We all three need to vote together or Lal dies.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Not quite true. I can vote Huey and then only one of you needs to be here. If neither of you have shown up by 8:45 I'm going to end up doing that.

[Boromir88]

Huey and Pitch are voting together, even. I think that clinches it.

With the votes as they are, I hope Sally and Boro are both around. We all three need to vote together or Lal dies.

I will be here for DL, just going to have to use my phone rest of night so won’t be able to do much except make my vote post.

I think either Pitch or Huey are our best bets today.

[satansaloser2005]

If Huey is evil and Morsul knew it, the former has to be Moon Moon. There's no way Morsul would have said nothing had he caught the second wolf. Of course, Morsul's fixation on Huey could mean nothing, but if it does mean something, it means we need to leave Huey alone.


++Pitch

*twitches*

[Shastanis Althreduin]

I will be here for DL, just going to have to use my phone rest of night so won’t be able to do much except make my vote post.

I think either Pitch or Huey are our best bets today.

Agreed. If Sally shows I think Pitch is our best bet - if she doesn't, Huey should probably be the lynch.

[satansaloser2005]

I would never leave my boys in their time of need. :Merisu:

[Shastanis Althreduin]

If Huey is evil and Morsul knew it, the former has to be Moon Moon. There's no way Morsul would have said nothing had he caught the second wolf. Of course, Morsul's fixation on Huey could mean nothing, but if it does mean something, it means we need to leave Huey alone.


++Pitch

*twitches*

I don't think he had time to know it. Morsul's N1 dream didn't get put in as far as we're aware (best guess), his N2 was you, and he died N3.

++Pitch

[satansaloser2005]

I would never leave my boys in their time of need. :Merisu:


Oh, but just so we're clear, if either of you is evil, you're getting a glitter bomb in the mail.

x'd with Shasta

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Oh, just so we're clear, if either of you is evil, you're getting a glitter bomb in the mail.

Am I the type of guy to turn down glitter, do you think? Bombs away, booboo. :Merisu:

(Not evil, though.)

[satansaloser2005]

Am I the type of guy to turn down glitter, do you think? Bombs away, booboo. :Merisu:

(Not evil, though.)


I have special plans for you. :smokin:

[Shastanis Althreduin]

I have special plans for you. :smokin:

You can't just move in on me now that my moon and stars has been cruelly and falsely convicted! :eek:

[satansaloser2005]

You can't just move in on me now that my moon and stars has been cruelly and falsely convicted! :eek:

Watch me.

[satansaloser2005]

Okay, so if we're wrong, what should you guys do toMorrow, besides mourn my loss? ;)

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Okay, so if we're wrong, what should you guys do toMorrow, besides mourn my loss? ;)

Race to a vote, I suppose.

[satansaloser2005]

Speaking of which, I'm getting paranoid Boro won't come back. :eek:

My prince! We need you! <3

[Boromir88]

Okay, so if we're wrong, what should you guys do toMorrow, besides mourn my loss? ;)

Understand that I hold you in the highest respects, no matter what plays out tonight and tomorrow, I will be mourning.

This is hard on me, but unfortunately I really hate getting my hands dirty...soooo

++Huey

I hope that doesn't botch it, but we'll see.

[satansaloser2005]

You are not serious right now.

[Boromir88]

Serious in that I've done everything I think I could...it's going to be close though.

[satansaloser2005]

Pitch-->Lal
Huey-->Lal (2)
Lal-->Huey
Sally-->Pitch
Shasta-->Pitch (2)
Boro-->Huey (2)

[Lalaith]

Argh!
I woke up anxious and found this. Oh dear. Good luck Shasta tomorrow, don't really know who you should ally yourself with...

[Galadriel55]

Does someone have the tally? I will need a bit of time to catch up.

Edit: xed with Sally. Lal is dead. She is an ordo.

[satansaloser2005]

Argh!
I woke up anxious and found this. Oh dear. Good luck Shasta tomorrow, don't really know who you should ally yourself with...

I'd say me, but I'm probably about to be dead as well. O_O


x'd with Gal

[Galadriel55]

"Well, we know one thing," said the vampire bat, "the pomeranian is innocent of the crimes."

"I told you so," said the dog.

"But who is responsible for the nightly murders?" prodded the pair of red eyes, staring around angrily.

"Sorry I'm late," said the warg. "It's not my fault, I was bred this way. What did I miss?" The red eyes glowered in answer.

"I'm certainly also innocent," insisted the gorcrow while hanging upside down and flapping his wings. Maybe the wings made too much noise for him to be heard, but not many heeded his words.

"The time draws near to make our choice," intoned the fell voice on the air.

"So be it!" replied the gorcrow, and a bolt of lightning struck the fell voice out of the air. A silence ran, as everyone knew that if they did not catch the murderer soon, he would get the better of them.


LIVING
Sally - Boo Joe, a teacup Pomeranian with abnormally sharp teeth and a Napoleon complex
Boro - a warg bred for a single purpose, never being on time
Pitch - undead vampire bat
Huinesoron - inverted gorcrow
Shasta - squinting red eyes

DEAD
Rune - wolf, lynched D1
Inzil - ordo, killed N2
Nerwen - Ranger, lynched D2
Morsul - Seer, killed N3
Lalaith - ordo, lynched D3

[Galadriel55]

https://img.memecdn.com/goddammit-moon-moon_o_2418393.jpg

https://i.pinimg.com/736x/80/25/2c/80252cc50b10e0f3ac8689a51f3f2f38--moon-moon-so-cute.jpg

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/cf/0e/08/cf0e08eeeaa5dfa30dd87bc6d0608b8f.jpg

[Galadriel55]

http://files.explosm.net/comics/Rob/whenwolf.png

[Galadriel55]

The villagers woke up to find themselves one creature short. They searched the rocks and crags for any signs of the one missing from their number, though without much hope. At last they found, almost hidden in the grass, an elegant looking tea cup, with what looked like the remains of a bloody cocktail inside. Beside the cup lay a bicorne hat, ownerless and forgotten.

LIVING
Boro - a warg bred for a single purpose, never being on time
Pitch - undead vampire bat
Huinesoron - inverted gorcrow
Shasta - squinting red eyes

DEAD
Rune - wolf, lynched D1
Inzil - ordo, killed N2
Nerwen - Ranger, lynched D2
Morsul - Seer, killed N3
Lalaith - ordo, lynched D3
Sally - ordo, killed N4

[Huinesoron]

So... that was BoroMoon voting to protect PitchWolf, right? After voting yesterday in a way that looked like it was against him but actually (by timing) was safe?

I still can't see how Pitch is a wolf, but I don't think Boro can be, and if it's Shasta, then... I don't even know. Then well played, I guess. I think a Boro-Shasta team would have lynched Pitch, because Lalaith would be more likely than innocent!Pitch to kill me tomorrow.

And now we have two goodies and two baddies, so it all comes down to timing, and I don't even have the luxury of hanging around to see what happens (I woke up at 3am (and again at 3.35) for this...). So:

++Pitch

On the word of our confirmed innocent and the behaviour of BoroMoon.

Shasta, I hope you're around, because it's first to two.

hS, staggering back to the tree one last time

[Boromir88]

I actually think none of you 3 are the wolf...it would be quite a good play if it was Shasta. Sally would be rolling over in her grave chucking glitter everywhere. She had done so well...too well actually

[Pitchwife]

And now we have two goodies and two baddies, so it all comes down to timing, and I don't even have the luxury of hanging around to see what happens
Me neither, unfortunately.

++Huey

For buddying up to me and then turning on me when it suits him. Never trust a gorcrow!

Back to bed, see you later (or not). Á vala Nerevar!

[Boromir88]

And here I was just going to vote for myself because I haven’t the faintest clue. Oh well going with my gut.

++Huey

[Pitchwife]

Well done, Moon Moon! Come and join me in the feast!:smokin:

[Huinesoron]

Aww, and I had all these big long posts I was going to write to fill the time while waiting to see if Boro or Shasta got back first. ;)

So be it. At least I don't have to live with my guilt for failing the creatures of Deadmen's Dike.

hS, fluttering invertedly to the heart of the city to meet his fate

PS: As I'm sure I'll say again later (several times - it's me, I talk, you know this), well played to the both of you. And to Shasta for spotting the last wolf on Day Two - sorry I didn't listen!

[Pitchwife]

Aww, and I had all these big long posts I was going to write to fill the time while waiting to see if Boro or Shasta got back first. ;)
You're not the only one. I was planning a song parody to keep you guys entertained while I waited to be lynched, but no such luck.:p

Shasta, I'm sorry - well not really, of course, but you deserved better after spotting me out of the gate. If it's any consolation, on D2 my wife kept asking me 'Are they suspecting you yet?', and I kept telling her 'No, but Shasta hasn't posted yet' - and then 'Here he comes. Bingo!'

[Huinesoron]

You're not the only one. I was planning a song parody to keep you guys entertained while I waited to be lynched, but no such luck.:p

Well, we've still got all Day... I'm not averse to being sung to my death.

Moon Moon
Just killed a crow
Who found the wolf (at last) today
So it seems he has to pay

Moon Moon
Gets to join the pack
If Pitch can't work out how to get away...!

Moon Moon
(Ar-ar-aroooooo!)
You've got everything you dreamed
So if you can keep from tripping till tomorrow
Carry on
Carry on
(And I'm sure they love you really...)

(With sincerest apologies to Queen, and none at all to the goofy wannabe or the wolf who now has to live with him. ;) )

~

... I've just noticed that Boro's very first mention of another player on Day One was 'Pitch and Rune seem alright'. Hindsight is seriously impressive, ain't it?

[Galadriel55]

Are we gonna pretend the game is still going or should I declare victory early? Up to you endgamers, if you wanna revel in tour last Day.

[Huinesoron]

Are we gonna pretend the game is still going or should I declare victory early? Up to you endgamers, if you wanna revel in tour last Day.

I'm happy to end early; those two keep looking at me and licking their lips, it's freaking me out. :D

[Pitchwife]

Since Huey insists...

My wolf, my wolf,
Don't lie to me,
Tell me: Whom did you kill last Night?
In the pines (http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_EHepF1NuRGM/SwkPBrL2jII/AAAAAAAAEnk/-0HDpxoOPV0/s1600/J.R.R._Tolkien_-_Mirkwood.jpg), in the pines
Where the sun will never shine
I did shiver the whole Night through.

One squinting eye lay in a pool of blood,
And the other lay miles from here,
With gorcrow feathers strewn around,
But no body ever was found.

Moon Moon, Moon Moon,
Where will you go?
I'm going where the cold winds blow.
In the pines, in the pines
Where the sun will never shine
I will shiver the whole Night through.

(Apologies to Leadbelly and Nirvana)

[Galadriel55]

As the four survivors awoke, they knew it was a race to the finish. Either they will get the wolf, or the wolf will get them.

The gorcrow began to swing a club at the vampire bat, but being upside-down, he missed.

"I am the wolf!" cried the bat as his shape turned into one of a werewolf. "Aid me now, my faithful apprentice, and you shall be rewarded!"

"Of course!" said Moon Moon the warg, "Look, I'm doing a victory pose!"

"Not now, Moon Moon! I will take the eyes, you take the gorcrow!"

And together they feasted on the flesh of the creatures of Deadmen's Dike.


https://img.memecdn.com/captain-moon-moon_o_1983391.jpg


LIVING
Boro - a warg bred for a single purpose, never being on time - COBBLER/MOON MOON
Pitch - undead vampire bat - WOLF

DEAD
Rune - wolf, lynched D1
Inzil - ordo, killed N2
Nerwen - Ranger, lynched D2
Morsul - Seer, killed N3
Lalaith - ordo, lynched D3
Sally - ordo, killed N4
HS - lynched in endgame
Shasta - killed in endgame

[Inziladun]

Congrats to the Forces of Evil!

Pitch was masterful as a solo wolf, and I envy Boro for having had what I consider the most fun role in WW. ;)

It was a little gratifying that my intuition did lead me to say this early on:

It's scary that I agree with Pitch so much so early.


but I also enjoyed actually not having my innocent self lynched, which is a rarity. :rolleyes:

Thanks G55 for the game!

[Morsul the Dark]

I dreamt innocent Zil night one and thank IRL work schedule plus meetings the day 1 slipped my mind. The days run together sometimes.

Dreamt innocent Sally

Then died after dreaming MoonMoon Boro.

I legitimately have no idea why Boro got a free pass for clearly voting just to vote.

Pitch didn’t enter my mind at all as a wolf.

[Huinesoron]

A post-mortem of Huinesoron.

The remains of subject GORCROW were found scattered across a wide area. The primary evidence of its death were a large number of feathers; the meat they were once attached to was--

No, that's not quite what I mean.

Day One

Day One I got lucky. I do think Rune overreached with his tag-along accusation of Boro, but I was also lucky that so few people showed up! Only half of the players were active before I had to leave, which meant it was much easier to focus on each of them. Pretty much perfect for a first game Day One. That said, the case against Rune was always weak, and could easily have been the work of an innocent.

Day Two

Day Two exposed the downsides of my first day. I was now firmly in the mindset (that I didn't get out of until Day Four) that wolves would be caught by their spurious logic. That got me caught up on the fact that most people looked okay, and then on the Sally&Morsul case against me. I still don't get how 'wolf-on-wolf is possible' turned into 'wolf-on-wolf must have happened'; Morsul, what was it about me that made you convinced enough to run the risk of people falsely assuming a Seer read?

I also stayed hung up on the BoroMoon theory - ironically correct, and even more ironically proposed by PitchWolf! - which led me down a twisty side-path regarding Sally. I tunnelled on this for a while, managing to miss the fact that it didn't make much sense.

Morsul's reveal threw me for a loop. It took both Sally and himself off the table, and they were the people I'd focussed on all day. You can see me scrambling around to find anything against anyone else, and eventually picking Nerwen. Um, yeah, that didn't end well.

Day Three

Day Three exposed a big problem, and that's the way my playstyle interacted with the time of the deadline. It turns out that I'm very bad at considering people who aren't there; BoroMoon slipped entirely under my radar by the simple act of barely posting on Days 2 and 3. I also never really went back and looked at Shasta's accusations against Pitch - because Shasta wasn't there to pursue them. Sally and company discussed this after I was gone.

The timing also meant that Pitch had a lot of opportunity to reinforce my lack of suspicion in him without too many other people around. But... honestly, I think I would have voted Lalaith even if Pitch had been entirely absent. She said too much that came across as logical errors, misinterpretations, and just plain wrong statements, and had a hard time naming suspects. I know Lalaith is the reading I was most confident in.

Day Four

Look! I finally figured it out!

Except I only got PitchWolf pinned down because of BoroMoon's vote, not because of any reading on Pitch. So I still didn't really get there (and in consequence, I got et). In fact... I've looked back at Shasta's posts against Pitch, and I still don't see it. I think the idea is that Pitch was pushing too hard on Boro as a wolf after initially pegging him as Moon Moon - but I'm having a very hard time seeing his actions as more suspect than (say) Lalaith's.

Conclusions & Lessons Learned

-Never use the word 'see' in Werewolf. (Haha, I've already used it three times in this post... I just can't help it!)

-Look at other people's accusations in detail, bearing in mind the suspect's arguments, behaviour, and voting record.

-Don't trust innocents' judgement just because they're innocent. I ignored BoroMoon partly because of Sally's confidence in him, and was guided into the Lalaith lynch partly by Pitch (who I thought was innocent at the time...!).

-Don't be too defensive. I'm thinking that only actual accusations need to be replied to, not random comments that could lead to them.

-Don't get up at 3am to try and get the drop on the wolves; it doesn't help. ;)

Well, I had fun, and I survived to the final Day as a newbie; I'll take that. Congratulations and well played to Team Werewolf, and thank you to everyone - especially Galadriel55 for setting it all up and bringing me in!

hS

[Morsul the Dark]

You acted suspicious to me. I only acted on those suspicions. Also don’t really appreciate being called a liar.(unrelated but that comment irked me.)

[Morsul the Dark]

I would have dreamt you instead of Boro had he not so obviously been evil after his vote Day 2.