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Thranduil Elven King of Mirkwood
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<img src=eek.gif ALT=":eek"> alot of stories are left un-finished or not written in great detail tell us what parts ye wish were expanded in the story. example... Shelob...it never tells what really happened to her, although it hints she stayed alive &amp; nursed her wounds to haunt again in the fourth age! so...what are some ye wanna read more about?<img src=wink.gif ALT=";)"> check out http://pub48.ezboard.com/bostinedhilOst~in~Edhil</a> The City Of The Elves

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Balin999
04-03-2001, 08:09 AM
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<img src="http://www.barrowdowns.com/images/posticons/vilya.jpg" align=absmiddle> Re: parts of the books you wish were expanded on!!

doesn't it say that Shelob in the end ate herself?
the part i'd like to read about would be Gimli' and Legolas' journey to Aglarond and Fangorn.


Behold the King of Moria!</p>

The Barrow-Wight
04-03-2001, 08:33 AM
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<img src="http://www.barrowdowns.com/images/posticons/vilya.jpg" align=absmiddle> Re: parts of the books you wish were expanded on!!

I'd enjoy a detailed account of the Battle of Dale.

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04-03-2001, 09:43 AM
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<img src="http://www.barrowdowns.com/images/posticons/vilya.jpg" align=absmiddle> Re: parts of the books you wish were expanded on!!

I would have liked to here more about the Kingdom of Dale. Everything in 'The Hobbit' I would like to have read more about, it isn't quite so connected to anything else.

Thus even as Eru spoke to us shall beauty not before conceived be brought into E, and evil be good to have been.</p>

Thranduil Elven King of Mirkwood
04-03-2001, 11:02 AM
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<img src="http://www.barrowdowns.com/images/posticons/vilya.jpg" align=absmiddle> Re: parts of the books you wish were expanded on!!

<img src=wink.gif ALT=";)"> another part of the book i truly want to read more about is the battle in Mirkwood with the Elves &amp; the battle with the Beornings between mirkwood &amp; the carrock!<img src=sick.gif ALT=":x"> come visit http://pub48.ezboard.com/bostinedhilOst~in~Edhil</a>City of The Elves

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The X Phial
04-03-2001, 11:26 AM
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<img src="http://www.barrowdowns.com/images/posticons/vilya.jpg" align=absmiddle> Re: parts of the books you wish were expanded on!!

I wish the days in Lothlorien and Imladris were given in more detail.

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Balin999
04-03-2001, 11:29 AM
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<img src="http://www.barrowdowns.com/images/posticons/bloody.jpg" align=absmiddle> Re: parts of the books you wish were expanded on!!

i really would like to read about gandalf and the white council driving sauron out of mirkwood or gandfalf in saurons stronghold.
or anything about sauron that i havent read yet.

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Fuor
04-04-2001, 08:59 AM
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<img src="http://www.barrowdowns.com/images/posticons/sting.jpg" align=absmiddle> Re: elaborated part ?

I wish that JRR Tolkien wrote down a bit about the ordering of the army of Mordor. Who the guys in charge were ie. Sauron's captains. One of them comes out to talk to gandalf at the Gates to Mordor but tahts about it.



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Thranduil Elven King of Mirkwood
04-04-2001, 09:53 AM
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<img src="http://www.barrowdowns.com/images/posticons/vilya.jpg" align=absmiddle> Re: elaborated part ?

another part i guess i would like to read more about is what the other Ring Wraiths were doing when the Witch King was destroying Arnor from his stronghold in Angmar <img src=tongue.gif ALT=":b">

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Elanor
04-04-2001, 12:55 PM
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<img src="http://www.barrowdowns.com/images/posticons/vilya.jpg" align=absmiddle> Re: elaborated part ?

I always want to read more of &quot;what happened next?&quot; to the main characters. When I first read LoTR years ago, I missed the Appendix (I was young and silly, thought it didn't matter...)

I was delighted a few years later to discover all the details of the Hobbits' children and visits to Aragorn or Faramir. I always wish I could read more about these in detail, get descriptions and so on. I always feel a little sad that we just get &quot;Master Samwise and his wife and Elanor ride to Gondor and stay there for a year.&quot; I want to know what they did, what Aragorn said to them, what Rosie thought of her first trip out of the Shire, how Sam felt when he saw Aragorn again.....

I suppose it's nice to imagine too, but I would like to know.



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Galadrielle Annatar
04-05-2001, 02:57 AM
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<img src="http://www.barrowdowns.com/images/posticons/vilya.jpg" align=absmiddle> Re: elaborated part ?

Great point Elanor <img src=smile.gif ALT=":)">

I would also like to know more about the brooch that came out of the barrow and who used to wear it, I don't suppose it's written any where?

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lindil
04-05-2001, 08:05 AM
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<img src="http://www.barrowdowns.com/images/posticons/vilya.jpg" align=absmiddle> Re: elaborated part ?

-*-The X Phial-* said&quot;I wish the days in Lothlorien and Imladris were
given in more detail. &quot;

lindil is in complete agreement there.
btw - we are given more on Lothlorien in UT.


Elanor posted &quot;I always want to read more of &quot;what happened next?&quot; to the main
characters. When I first read LoTR years ago, I missed the
Appendix (I was young and silly, thought it didn't matter...)

I was delighted a few years later to discover all the details of the
Hobbits' children and visits to Aragorn or Faramir. I always wish I
could read more about these in detail, get descriptions and so on. I
always feel a little sad that we just get &quot;Master Samwise and his
wife and Elanor ride to Gondor and stay there for a year.&quot; I want to
know what they did, what Aragorn said to them, what Rosie thought
of her first trip out of the Shire, how Sam felt when he saw Aragorn
again.....&quot;
IF you have not seen HoME vol. 9 I think it is there is another series of endings of the LotR called the Epilouge which contain a much longer wrapping up w/ sam and your namesake and a very interesting letter from the King. [The longest extant writing in Sindarin I hear].

And I would be greatly remiss if I did not include Gilthalions ,'The Hobbits' and Mithadan's 'Tales from Tol Eressea' both of which expand the story well into yhe fourth age both in M-E and the Undying Lands in a most excellent manner. see the Fan fic. section of the Downs if you havn't already.



Galadrielle Annatar posted&quot;I would also like to know more about the brooch that came out of
the barrow and who used to wear it, I don't suppose it's written any
where?&quot;
lindil : I agree with you we know virtually nothing about Cardolan and even very little about Arthedain.

I have read in HoME that JRRT actually wrote a detailed &quot;journeys of Aragorn&quot;and &quot;J. of Gandalf&quot; and lost them! To bad they were not included in a Tolkien Reader or some such the very second they were finished.

I am sure we would have learned a lot about the many realms they visited more about the dunedain of the North. Not to mention Rhun and Harad.

I would like to know about the Elves of Dorwinion and wether they were Avari or Nandor and if elves lived on that wooded isle in the sea of Rhun. Or in the ofrests surrounding it.

More than stories I would love to hear more of the Elves converse w/ one another or mortals such as we see [our largest view of] in HoME 10's Finrod and Andreth.

A few volumes of conversations of elves in Lorien about Ropemaking, Lembas, Elven Boat-making, and Gildor's recipe for bread would be nice.

I hae also wondered about the Green - Elves and Ossiriand.




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Aldaron
04-05-2001, 09:29 PM
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<img src="http://www.barrowdowns.com/images/posticons/vilya.jpg" align=absmiddle> Re: elaborated part ?

As rich as JRRT's writing are, it seems we always crave more. I'd like a Complete History of Mirkwood, a sort of Mirkwood Through the Ages.

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Beregond
04-06-2001, 08:30 AM
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<img src="http://www.barrowdowns.com/images/posticons/sting.jpg" align=absmiddle> Re: Numenor

I would like to read more about Numenor. Also the voyage of Legolas and Gimli, and Frodo and Sam and Bilbo, and what becomes of them. Also the scouring of the Shire. <img src=laugh.gif ALT=":lol">

</p>Edited by: <A HREF=http://www.barrowdowns.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_profile&u=00000114>Beregond</A> at: 4/6/01 10:30:34 am

Galadrielle Annatar
04-06-2001, 08:51 AM
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<img src="http://www.barrowdowns.com/images/posticons/nenya.jpg" align=absmiddle> Re: Numenor

Have you read unfinished tales Beregond?

I think thats the book that gives alot about Numenor and its kings but I have a memory like a sive.

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Beregond
04-06-2001, 10:12 AM
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<img src="http://www.barrowdowns.com/images/posticons/nenya.jpg" align=absmiddle> Re: Numenor

No, actualy I haven't read UT, but that's one thing I need to do! <img src=smile.gif ALT=":)">

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Glorfindel
04-06-2001, 10:14 AM
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<img src="http://www.barrowdowns.com/images/posticons/nenya.jpg" align=absmiddle> Rhun

I would love to know the happenings of Rhun and Harad and just eastern middle earth as a whole. because men and elves first awoke in the east and i would just think it be proper to know all about it.

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Thranduil Elven King of Mirkwood
04-06-2001, 01:10 PM
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<img src="http://www.barrowdowns.com/images/posticons/vilya.jpg" align=absmiddle> Ered Mithrin

i would like to learn more about the Cold-Drakes of the Grey Mountains (Ered Mithrin) <img src=wink.gif ALT=";)"> if sooo many cold-drakes were abundant in the begining of the 3rd age to trouble the Dwarves, then where did they all go &amp; why didn't any come to the call of Sauron??<img src=devil.gif ALT=":evil">

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Glorfindel
04-06-2001, 03:00 PM
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<img src="http://www.barrowdowns.com/images/posticons/vilya.jpg" align=absmiddle> Re: Ered Mithrin

Scatha the worm would of been cool to learn more about i must say.

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the Lorien wanderer
04-07-2001, 11:15 AM
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<img src="http://www.barrowdowns.com/images/posticons/vilya.jpg" align=absmiddle> Re: Ered Mithrin

I'd have loved to read more about the bit abour Arwen and Aragorn.

What if - what if this is as good as it gets?</p>

Melcor
04-07-2001, 12:25 PM
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<img src="http://www.barrowdowns.com/images/posticons/vilya.jpg" align=absmiddle> smaug

I have always wanted to learn more about smaug before he attacked tha loanly mountian. and about smaegol after he found the ring and about the baulwrog that attacked the company in caza-dum.

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Mithrandir
04-07-2001, 01:48 PM
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<img src="http://www.barrowdowns.com/images/posticons/nenya.jpg" align=absmiddle> Re: Rhun

I would also like to learn more about the eastern regions of Middle Earth such as Rhun and Harad, especially those who lived in Harad. . .where did they get olephants anyways? <img src=wink.gif ALT=";)">

The Road goes ever on and on </p>

Shark
04-07-2001, 01:52 PM
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<img src="http://www.barrowdowns.com/images/posticons/nenya.jpg" align=absmiddle> Re: Rhun

Sometimes I miss more detailed descriptions of the looks of the characters.
These have often to step behind the great scheme of myth, especially in the Silmarillion.

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Balin999
04-08-2001, 11:30 AM
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<img src="http://www.barrowdowns.com/images/posticons/nenya.jpg" align=absmiddle> Re: Rhun

yeah i always wanted to hear more of harad and rhun
and well maybe a better description of the rest of mordor.
and to hear more about dragons woould be great

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Mithrandir
04-08-2001, 05:06 PM
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<img src="http://www.barrowdowns.com/images/posticons/nenya.jpg" align=absmiddle> Re: Rhun

yeah, i forgot about dragons. add that to my list <img src=cool.gif ALT="8)">

The Road goes ever on and on </p>

Glorfindel
04-09-2001, 11:36 AM
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<img src="http://www.barrowdowns.com/images/posticons/nenya.jpg" align=absmiddle> Dragorlad

A more graphic description of that battle and the seige of barad-dur would of been another thing that could of been touched on a little bit more.
Nothin like hearing how anarion got drilled in the face with a rock!!!
and the epic main event, the handicap match between the man from the seas Elendil. The elf with the deadliest spear this side of Valinor, ladies watch out, Gil-Galad. And our Champion Sauron the Dark Lord.

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<img src="http://www.barrowdowns.com/images/posticons/nenya.jpg" align=absmiddle> MORE MORE MORE!!!

As a contributor, I'd like to point out that there is some good fan fiction in production on this site.

I highly recommend Mithadan's Tales of Tol Eresea.

And with 17 chapters written and 2-3 new chapters a week, the Fourth Age tale of The Hobbits is coming along fairly well (I dare say so myself!).

That's how I'm scratching this particular itch!

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04-09-2001, 02:44 PM
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<img src="http://www.barrowdowns.com/images/posticons/nenya.jpg" align=absmiddle> Re: MORE MORE MORE!!!

ph i forgot.... id like to read a DETAILED description of barad dur, (maybe of the inside, too) and i want to read about how sauron looked like
well i can imagine that, but well it would be better to get a description from the author

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04-09-2001, 03:09 PM
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<img src="http://www.barrowdowns.com/images/posticons/vilya.jpg" align=absmiddle> Re: parts of the books you wish were expanded on!!

I would like to know more about Tom Bombadil and Goldberry. What happened to them, and more of their history. I'd also like to know what happened to the Ents.

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Elanor
04-11-2001, 11:52 AM
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<img src="http://www.barrowdowns.com/images/posticons/vilya.jpg" align=absmiddle> Re: Thanks Lindil!

lindil recommended Vol.9 of the HoME series - THANKS lindil! I bought this yesterday, and can't get enough. I was over the moon to read the scenes between Sam and his children... I think I'll be getting other volumes now too. I had been a bit hesitant about trying the series, but so far, it's fascinating.

I'm off to try some of the fan fiction you recommended too.

Thanks again.



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KayQy
04-18-2001, 06:15 AM
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<img src="http://www.barrowdowns.com/images/posticons/vilya.jpg" align=absmiddle> Re: Thanks Lindil!

HOME 9 is great; I especially love the Notions Club Papers. It's a real shame he never finished those; I'd love to see them published! Or, failing that, the Lost Road. Anything to connect then to now. (I know, I know, see the fanfic)

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04-18-2001, 09:39 AM
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<img src="http://www.barrowdowns.com/images/posticons/vilya.jpg" align=absmiddle> Re: Thanks Lindil!

Too bad it's so hard getting your hands on such books here...

I would have loved to read more about Eregion and the SA as a whole.

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04-18-2001, 11:13 AM
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<img src="http://www.barrowdowns.com/images/posticons/vilya.jpg" align=absmiddle> What part did I want expanded?

This is an easy one for me...I have always wished for the Ents to find the Entwives.

I read a commentary years ago by a gentleman whose name now eludes me who said something to the effect such as that Ents would never find the Entwives because they had evolved to a new point where they were reproducing asexually via the Ents and Huorns. I disagree with this conclusion, though, and here is why.

As the tale winds down virtually everyone has a &quot;happy ending,&quot; per se, except the Ents. Treebeard keeps reminding Merry and Pippin to send him word should they hear of the Entwives in the Shire, and when they first met and desribed the country they came from, Treebeard questioned them about this repeatedly because he thought their land sounded as if it would appeal to the Entwives.

I think JRRT left the finding of the Entwives out either accidentally or he possibly wanted to carry it into another tale. I believe the former may be true. I know Treebeard said that it was foreboded that they would not find each other until they had both lost all they had, but I do not know that this foreboding is necessarily carved in stone. The reason I believe it was left out accidentally is because while Sam is at the Green Dragon debating with Ted Sandyman in the very first chapter of LotR, one of the points Sam brings up is his cousin seeing a Treeman as big as an elm walking up on the North Downs. Sounds to me like an Ent, doesn't it?

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Calencoire
07-04-2002, 09:07 PM
I wish that they would have told more about the Fourth Age and what happened to the characters when they reached Valinor.