TIG CXVII: DEAD Thread: By the Waters of Tarn Aeluin

[Galadriel55]

The body fails, but the spirit will not rest. No, they will not go beyond the Circles of the World until they find peace – either in revenge, or in the knowledge that their cause is lost beyond all hope. And all know, hope dies last.







This is the Dead Thread.





Only read on if you are dead.





If you are alive, go back to the Living. The way is shut and the Dead keep it, or something.









IF YOU ARE ALIVE, STOP READING NOW.


SERIOUSLY, STOP.












If you are still reading, you have died in the game. My condolences to you. I hope that you will enjoy this thread as a means of yelling at the GT and doing some low-stress WW shenanigans.

During the Day, the Dead cast a collective vote for a living player. First person to get the max number of votes will have your vote. Remember, that in the event of a tie on the GT, the Dead Vote carries more weight and breaks the tie.

At Night, you may speculate over a piece of information to be delivered to you by the two mods, myself and BeiGei. You may also vote on sending a Ghost to haunt the Living the following Day. You can vote ++No Ghost if you do not wish to send one. Same vote tie rules apply as above.

Enjoy yourselves, O Restless Spirits! And remember: aure entuluva!

[Galadriel55]

The heather rustled, though there was no wind. A shadow passed though there were no clouds. A restless spirit was about, refusing even in death to forsake the land of Dorthonion.

A fell voice in the air was heard to speak, though no living soul could hear it: There was at least one wolf who got votes on Day 1.



The Living
Boro
Formendacil
Huinesoron
Kath
Legate
Lommy
Loslote
Morsul
Pitch
Sally
Soriman

The Dead
Gorlim (NPC/Ghost)
Galadriel55 (Night 1)
BlindGuardian (Night 1)
Greenie (Day 1 - Ordo)


It is now Night 2




Greenie, welcome to the Dead Thread! You may post as you wish. ToNight, the thread is all in your power. You may vote for yourself to come back as a Ghost on Day 2 if you so choose.

[A Little Green]

It's not really worth using one of our 3 Ghost appearances on me going back to troll the living, much as I'd love to. So no Ghost toMorrow.

I also won't spend all day talking to myself in here, but just for the record: I don't think I've ever been lynched on Day 1 before! I'm actually rather proud of myself. :rolleyes:

[Blind Guardian]

You're not alone! We're dead too! We'll talk to you! :D

[Galadriel55]

"Get your filthy paws off me!" Form yelled at the vicious wolves. "Take that! And that!" He looked about in confusion as his blows landed completely harmlessly on the wolves' hides, not preventing them in the slightest from continuing to tear apart his dead body.


The Living
Boro
Huinesoron
Kath
Legate
Lommy
Loslote
Morsul
Pitch
Sally
Soriman

The Dead
Gorlim (NPC/Ghost)
Galadriel55 (Night 1)
BlindGuardian (Night 1)
Greenie (Day 1 - Ordo)
Formendacil (Night 2 - Ordo)


It is now Day 2.

Greenie and Form, you may cast a collective vote that will contribute to the GT. This vote is due at the regular DL. In the event that it causes a tie, it will also break it in favour of your candidate. Since there are only two of you, the first person to get a vote here will receive the Dead vote on the GT, which will be tallied at DL regardless of when you vote.

[Formendacil]

I feel rather vindicated.

Not sure I have any justification at all to feel vindicated, but it is sort of nice to be proven innocent AND not have to defend myself against suspicious Day 2-looking back all in one go.

Pity about that "no idea who the wolves are" yet thing. I am inclined to assume I was killed because I left no trail rather than because I looked like a Seer...

Or did I look like a Seer?

[A Little Green]

Welcome Form! A questionable honour, but still. :rolleyes:
I am inclined to assume I was killed because I left no trail rather than because I looked like a Seer...

Or did I look like a Seer?I didn't think so. Someone (Lottie? I'm too lazy to check) did point out that your vote was very explicitly not based on the suspiciousness of a particular person but made purely based on post count, which could potentially be read as a Seer not wanting to leave a false trail. Alternatively, if Sally is a wolf, it could have been read as the only plausible way in which you could have justified a vote for her after dreaming her on Night 1, given that she hardly posted. I'm not sure how plausible either of these scenarios are, though.

The other potentially interesting thing to look at is the snippet of information we were given at the end of yesterDay: that at least one wolf received votes yesterDay. Given that I'm officially not a wolf, that leaves one or more wolves among Morsul, Pitch, Huin, Sally and Lottie. It's not a massive revelation given that that's literally half the village, but unless something really dramatic happens toDay, I'd suggest we pick our vote from among those five.

[A Little Green]

Greenie and Form, you may cast a collective vote that will contribute to the GT. This vote is due at the regular DL. In the event that it causes a tie, it will also break it in favour of your candidate. Since there are only two of you, the first person to get a vote here will receive the Dead vote on the GT, which will be tallied at DL regardless of when you vote. Since there's only two of us and the first vote carries in case of a tie, I think we should try to agree on who to vote for - especially as I won't be around until DL so, if left to my own devices, would need to vote early and thus my less-informed vote would count over yours. Conversely, if you're around at DL (or at least sometime later than me), we could agree on a preliminary candidate or two before I go, but I wouldn't actually vote for them. This would leave you free to change it at your discretion if something major happens after I'm gone, or just to react better to how the Living are voting. Would this make sense?

[A Little Green]

I know I said we should vote for one of the five among whom there's definitely at least one wolf, and I still think so, but I'm also getting more curious about Legate. His vote analysis is very convenient - basically saying that the second vote for each of the leading candidates is suspicious but the first isn't (when he was the first to vote for me, which he of course doesn't mention). This bit is also weird -Interestingly enough, purely based on vibe when looking at the list of votes, Pitch's vote strikes me as rather sinister because he had his opinions, then voted for Hui. And that was at the point when Greenie was leading, and Soriman was left to vote (with it not being sure whether he will). So Pitch's vote was potentially throwaway (if e.g. again the scenario that Hui was a Wolf was true - he would no longer endanger a packmate and at the same time distance himself from him) and at the same time not getting his "hands dirty" in lynching an innocent.He says Pitch's vote is "sinister" and "potentially throwaway" when he voted to draw Huin with myself. I hope someone questions him on this because by this logic, the only vote that wouldn't have been a sinister throwaway would have been a fourth vote for innocent me. ???

[Formendacil]

I'm around, but on my phone at work, so this is liable to be short than the Form Norm.

I agree with "see how it plays out and have me register an actual vote late-ish."

Of the people who received votes yesterday, I am (given how things ended for me) most suspicious of Sally, but that's more likely revenge than analysis talking.

By the by, G55: it's a moot point since we're probably waiting till nigh the deadline, but HOW will our vote register? I.e. will it only appear in the Day-end narration or will our ghostly avatar speak like a voice from the grave as soon as we have a settled vote here? I assume the former--i.e., we can't influence the game by appearing early and firmly (again, not relevant now, but might be on a future Day).

If this is in the Rules, I fear I have outed myself as a villainous skimmer.

[Galadriel55]

By the by, G55: it's a moot point since we're probably waiting till nigh the deadline, but HOW will our vote register? I.e. will it only appear in the Day-end narration or will our ghostly avatar speak like a voice from the grave as soon as we have a settled vote here? I assume the former--i.e., we can't influence the game by appearing early and firmly (again, not relevant now, but might be on a future Day).

The Dead vote will appear at the end of the Day at DL, either right before or even together with the narration. Basically, it will appear as the very last vote of the Day.

[Formendacil]

Thanks, G55!



On topic, I kind of like the Morsul theory:

So this is flimsy but I’ll toss it out there Lottie gave me a hard time for not having reads on two people but in Post 123 gave Sally a pass for the like four people she had no read on in her list.

This with her saving Hui

My very flimsy theory entirely contingent on WolfLottie is Sally Lottie Huin pack

Xed Sallyx2

I can't decide if Lottie was suspicious yesterDay or not, but I really did feel like she'd whiplashed over my preference for ferretting out the quiet ones, and--granting I haven't played with her a lot--she does seem a bit off from the one game I do remember, when she proved innocent. And this theory would jive with my Sally suspicions. Not as sure about Hui, but his playing style is "naturally suspicious"," so it's not impossible he's wolven and as the other bandwaggon, it makes some sense that if there was a concerted effort kill you (Greenie) INSTEAD of one of their own, then Hui is the obvious candidate.

[Formendacil]

Slotting this theory into the vote-list, it could fit:

Kath --> Morsul
Greenie --> Pitch
Morsul --> Hui
Lommy --> Hui
Legate --> Greenie
Hui --> Greenie
Form --> sally
Boro --> Lottie
Lottie --> Greenie
sally --> no one
Pitch --> Hui

Soriman missed the voting

Hui was the first waggon (i.e. the first lynchee to two votes--and first-to-two as Hui wanted to know [a coded message to packmates?] is almost more like 2.5 votes). The very first vote thereafter is Legate for Greenie and given how the day went, it was easy for Hui to latch on: Greenie is not a member of this possible pack and it doesn't lead back to the pack.

Then I vote and so does Boro and we each vote someone new--which, yes, doesn't make us look great, but it's also totally early enough that someone else could have hopped aboard either Sally or Lottie and made it a three-way tie with Hui losing the draw. Lottie votes to save the pack--i.e. Hui and it's a done deal. Sally leaves no trail and endangers no one.

So... the theory has nothing in the voting record to contradict it. It could explain going after me. Even a clue might be an in-joke for a our mods--maybe all three wolves got a vote!

On the other hand...

[A Little Green]

I like your thinking. I'm wondering about the Lottie-Sally pairing too, and Huin does fit in with them. I doubt it can really be that easy (though would be fabulous if it were), but I'd be happy for us to vote for any of them toDay.

I'll still catch up with the other thread and see if anything else catches my eye.

[Formendacil]

Votes so far

Morsul > Sally
Sally > Lottie
Kath > Sally [2]
Soriman > Lottie [2]

I think lynching a WolfSally would shed a lot of light, but I also think it would be an easy lynch for the wolves to jump on board because of the "SeerForm" thing. Also, per my last, I have no read on Sally as wolfish except for "SeerForm" logic.

Interrupting myself because Soriman is here and... voting for Lottie with no reasoning other than them being my most likely packmate (but not voting me). Um... what?

But it's nearly 10pm and I'm too tired to stay up and see more. :-/ I think Lottie is likely innocent, and Sally is a coin-toss, so I'm going to put in a vote for my 'most likely wolf' per my last post:

++BOROMIR88

hS

I gotta say... if the Morsul-theory is accurate, this post would sure fit like a glove.

I agree with your last post: while it looks good, surely it's too easy. I feel like there should be a Law about situations like this--Saucepan's Law or something: if it sees to have been uncovered too easily, it's either completely true or it's totally, horrifically wrong.

Hoping for the former option here, obviously.

[Formendacil]

Adding on to this Morsul theory... is it too crazy to suggest that Soriman could be a really lucky first-time Seer?

The whole thing feels a bit like Ptolomaic cosmology: it's getting to be a bit convoluted and there's no proving it's TRUE, but it coheres nicely.

[A Little Green]

Okay, so I caught up with the Living and now my brain hurts. (It's also midnight here, which doesn't help.) I'm getting very weird vibes off both Boro and Legate at the moment, but I still think we should stick with voting for one of the five who got votes yesterDay - that is, Lottie, Huin, Pitch, Sally, and Morsul. I also still agree with you that Lottie, Huin and Sally look the shiftiest out of those five.

That said, Lottie has been unusually touchy over being suspected, especially toDay but she exhibited some signs of it already yesterDay (I can't remember exactly what this was, but she started talking about self-preservation when she'd got one vote and no one else seemed very suspicious of her). This makes me think possible Gifted as well as possible wolf, so I might want to give her a pass toDay. Besides, the village might kill her anyway.

The tally at the moment looks like
Morsul > Sally
Sally > Lottie
Kath > Sally [2]
Soriman > Lottie [2]
Huin > Boro

I'd be happy going for either Huin or Sally. Huin has perhaps done more dodgy things (well, he has done more in general so maybe that's to be expected), and I think his lynch would tell us more about others. He also isn't a candidate at the moment, so voting for him might serve as a nudge for the village to actually take a closer look at him. Sally, on the other hand, has been weirdly fixated on Lottie toDay, and does have a possible connection (however feeble) to last Night's kill. She also made a weird comment about Pitch somewhere in there that seemed to have been made from a standpoint of knowing Huin is innocent (although I lost the quote now and might have just read it carelessly). It's possibly also worth considering that since Sally's posted relatively little, her lynch arguably wouldn't tell us as much as Huin's. Then again, based on the current tally, she is the one out of those two who actually does stand a chance of getting lynched.

[Galadriel55]

As I sympathize with Dead Threads very much, I am almost more excited to see who you guys are gonna vote for than what the Living pick. :D

++Brinn!

...No?...

[Formendacil]

I'd be happy going for either Huin or Sally. Huin has perhaps done more dodgy things (well, he has done more in general so maybe that's to be expected), and I think his lynch would tell us more about others. He also isn't a candidate at the moment, so voting for him might serve as a nudge for the village to actually take a closer look at him. Sally, on the other hand, has been weirdly fixated on Lottie toDay, and does have a possible connection (however feeble) to last Night's kill. She also made a weird comment about Pitch somewhere in there that seemed to have been made from a standpoint of knowing Huin is innocent (although I lost the quote now and might have just read it carelessly). It's possibly also worth considering that since Sally's posted relatively little, her lynch arguably wouldn't tell us as much as Huin's. Then again, based on the current tally, she is the one out of those two who actually does stand a chance of getting lynched.

Huin works for me--even if he's not Wolven, he's probably at the nexus of something there--you might be right about Lottie's jumpiness = Gifted, though I think if there's a Kill toNight and she's alive toMorrow, she looks worse than just about anyone. Huin also probably beats out Sally as a message from the Dead goes, since they'll think "well, the Dead are 50% Form and he had no better ideas."

[Formendacil]

As I sympathize with Dead Threads very much, I am almost more excited to see who you guys are gonna vote for than what the Living pick. :D

++Brinn!

...No?...

I nearly freaked out that I'd posted on the wrong thread, then I realised that:

A. We have a Cobblermod.

B. She can post on the Dead Thread.

:rolleyes:

[A Little Green]

Adding on to this Morsul theory... is it too crazy to suggest that Soriman could be a really lucky first-time Seer?This would be fantastic! :eek:

I looked up the weird Sally quote I was talking about -
What some people seem to forget about Pitch and I is that we were packmates in the last game, so I feel like I have a pretty good read on him solely based on that. Besides, and innocent Pitch would be aggravated by someone no voting, while this would obviously have benefited a wolf Pitch because he knew one of Greenie or Hui would die, and if he were a wolf with Hui, he wouldn't have pitched (har har) him for lynching in the first place. What bothers me here is the underlying assumption that Huin and I were both innocent, and the bit about "if he were a wolf with Hui" looks both like an afterthought and not necessarily logical (as wolves do sometimes pitch their fellows for lynching). This is either wolfish knowledge of people's roles showing through the cracks, or just me going too much into semantics. :rolleyes:

[A Little Green]

Huin works for me--even if he's not Wolven, he's probably at the nexus of something there--you might be right about Lottie's jumpiness = Gifted, though I think if there's a Kill toNight and she's alive toMorrow, she looks worse than just about anyone. Huin also probably beats out Sally as a message from the Dead goes, since they'll think "well, the Dead are 50% Form and he had no better ideas." Sadly that's probably true. I do agree with you about Lottie too. If she survives both toDay and tomorrow Night, she's definitely a wolf. :p

[Formendacil]

This is either wolfish knowledge of people's roles showing through the cracks, or just me going too much into semantics. :rolleyes:

Could always be a case of my beloved "both/and." :p


Huin it is then?

I'll be around till the DL, so I can post it "officially" pending some major mic-drop.

[A Little Green]

Huin it is then?

I'll be around till the DL, so I can post it "officially" pending some major mic-drop.
I'm happy with Huin! Or Sally, if the situation were to call for it. (You also have my blessing to change our pick to anyone else if something comes up!) I'm going to sleep now, but I'll be back sometime during the Night to see who our new arrival is :eek:

[Formendacil]

I'm happy with Huin! Or Sally, if the situation were to call for it. (You also have my blessing to change our pick to anyone else if something comes up!) I'm going to sleep now, but I'll be back sometime during the Night to see who our new arrival is :eek:

The village appears to have taken the vote out of our hands completely... Huin will be lynched irrespective of what our vote is.

After some of the epic bandwaggoning last year Game, I am very wary of this mass Hui-waggon... but if he's a Wolf, they don't need our vote. If he's not a Wolf, no point suggesting we all thought so too (that gives the actual Wolves more cover, I think).

So... in the interests of sending a message to nudge them to keep looking in another direction, I'm going to say: ++ Sally

[Formendacil]

I will say though that, if Innocent (as is my Death-throes read), Hui throws a major wrench into the "Morsul Theory." Might have to start from scratch...

[Formendacil]

Well, uh... welcome aboard, Hui.

Got any good theories?

[Huinesoron]

Well, uh... welcome aboard, Hui.

Got any good theories?

I theorise that it is well past bedtime. -_- Also that I was royally set up by /someone/. I'll read through here in the morning.

Sorry about Day One, Greenie. :(

hS

[Huinesoron]

I did not wait until tomorrow. :(

I don’t really know what was going on in the voting out there. At least me being dead makes the Night 2 Tidbit more informative, because there's less people there to be that 'at least one wolf'? I'm more inclined to it being Pitch or Sally than the other two.

I love the idea that Soriman could be a very out-of-their-depth Seer.

I do object to this, though:


Hui was the first waggon (i.e. the first lynchee to two votes--and first-to-two as Hui wanted to know [a coded message to packmates?] is almost more like 2.5 votes).

Using the Admin thread for gameplay like that would be cheating. If I were a wolf and had wanted to use the question as a message, I would have asked it in the Game thread.

hS

[Formendacil]

I do object to this, though:



Using the Admin thread for gameplay like that would be cheating. If I were a wolf and had wanted to use the question as a message, I would have asked it in the Game thread.

hS


Fair.

In my defence, I only remembered THAT you had asked, not on which thread, and it was the fact of asking that stuck out to me.

I do wonder if you've been railroaded--I mean, I obviously think it most likely, but I have flashbacks to Last Game™, when the village mass-lynched themselves into extinction.

[Galadriel55]

As the restless spirits grew in number, so did their determination to defend their land, in life and in death. They whispered in the Night, lamenting their fate and that of their companions. But the stars twinkled brightly, and as the white moon rose, a thought occurred to all of them at once, as if sent to them by one greater than they.

So far, only one gifted received votes.



The Living
Boro
Kath
Legate
Lommy
Loslote
Morsul
Pitch
Sally
Soriman

The Dead
Gorlim (NPC/Ghost)
Galadriel55 (Night 1)
BlindGuardian (Night 1)
Greenie (Day 1 - Ordo)
Formendacil (Night 2 - Ordo)
Hui (Day 2 - Ordo)


It is now Night 3.

You may vote on sending a Ghost toMorrow; you have all 3 hauntings available. The first person with the most votes at Daybreak will haunt the village. If the majority of votes say ++No Ghost, there will not be a haunting.

[A Little Green]

Sorry about Day One, Greenie.Well, we were planning to vote for you on Day Two, so I'd say we're even. :rolleyes: Form, for the record, I think you made the right choice in casting our vote for Sally. I just had a look at what happened after I went to sleep yesterDay and god what a turnaround!

Putting together the information from our tidbits, then. We know that
a) there is at least one wolf among Sally, Morsul, Pitch and Lottie, and
b) there is only one gifted among Sally, Morsul, Pitch, Lottie and Boro.

My first observation from this is that the votes have been concentrated on a surprisingly small number of people. I'm astonished that eg. Legate hasn't been voted for once during the entire game despite all his antics. Also, based on this information, my theory of Lottie as a potential gifted still looks plausible. But this also means that there are TWO gifteds among the ones who haven't been voted for, namely Kath, Legate, Lommy, and Soriman. I was actually wondering on Day 1 whether Legate's comments about being hunter-gatherers was a hint - but I'm also of the school that thinks a Hunter doesn't really benefit from hinting.

I'd like to do a reread of the entire Living Thread today if I have the time, to see if I can make some sense out of all of this. My immediate thought is that it might be time to revisit my Day 1 suspicion of Pitch. :rolleyes:

Oh, and last thing we might want to consider - do we want to send out a Ghost? I'm not sure how much insight we have, but then, we do get three Ghost appearances, and the game might not last much longer than three Days now. Technically (read: if I did the maths right), they only need two successful Night kills and the lynch of an innocent toMorrow, and we have ourselves a wolf victory. On the bright side, all three of the gifted are still around too, and with smaller numbers they are arguably more likely to hit their respective targets right.

[Huinesoron]

I think we've only got a Ranger and Seer in this game, haven't we?

The Ghost question: I agree on the maths (and panicked last night when I thought we'd started with 10 and were thus facing a wolf win toNight!). We now have two pieces of information the Living don't, so the questions are: can we accurately convey those, and do we want to?

My instinct is that it should be possible to put together a quote-post for each Tidbit; I'll have a try at it today. But for the other... we have at least one wolf pinned down to, er... half of the village, and we know something about the Gifted, which isn't usually something you want to share.

... just occurring to me now is Thing C that we know:

c) Either Legate, Lommy, Soriman, or Kath is the other Gifted.

And of course the Ghost doesn't have to reveal everything at once. If, say, the Ranger died toNight, and then someone from the same half of the village claimed Seer, the Ghost would know and be able to say that they were a lying Wolf. And with a potential loss toMorrow, a Seer claim wouldn't overly surprise me.

I'm wary of sending one just to convey our theories, though; was it last game that the Dead were just as hilariously wrong as the Living the entire game?

hS

[A Little Green]

I think we've only got a Ranger and Seer in this game, haven't we?You're right! I have no idea where I got the Hunter from :o
I'm wary of sending one just to convey our theories, though; was it last game that the Dead were just as hilariously wrong as the Living the entire game? Very true, myself included :D I agree there's a certain risk here, because while the Living know all of us are ordos, they also know we're getting snippets of information from the moddess. So anything not articulated clearly enough could be read as special knowledge even if it's just us making "informed" guesses. :rolleyes:

[A Little Green]

I had a read through the game thread, and (surprise) it confused more than clarified things for me. I made some notes, but not sure how much use they'll be until we get toNight's kill (or lack thereof). A few things that stood out:

- Lottie is very concerned about being suspected and/or voted for. I think she's the most likely gifted out of those who've received votes, but as discussed here previously, if someone is killed toNight and it isn't her, I'm going to re-evaluate.

- Lommy and Pitch both voted Huin on both Days while insisting (Pitch on both Days, Lommy on D2) that they'd have preferred to go for someone else. Both also ended yesterDay with lots of questionmarks, expletives, and random strings of consonants. Possibly too brazen if they're both wolves, but this epic show of "look how innocent and clueless I am" makes me think at least one of them is a wolf.

- Speaking of Lommy, a lot of people seemed to be kind of soft-suspecting her but not doing much about it - including at least Sally, Lottie, Pitch, and Morsul.

- Kath is voting very safely (Morsul on D1, Sally on D2).

- Boro is creepy.

- Sally is visibly buddying up to both Boro and Pitch; Boro reciprocates. She also has that weird post I quoted earlier in this thread that looks like she already knew Huin was innocent. + She talks about having a good read on Pitch based on them being wolves together last game, which would again be pretty brazen if they were wolves together in this game.

Overall, I'd say our wolves could be
- one of Sally or Pitch, but probably not both
- one of Lommy and Pitch, but probably not both
- Boro for general creepiness, or Kath for keeping her nose clean? Or both?

[Huinesoron]

I'll look over what you've just posted later, Greenie, but first I want to muck about with quotes. ^_^ I've been putting together a Spectral Lexicon, starting with how to say where the information comes from, and then trying to find ways to point at specific people.

I've limited myself to the "published Legendarium fiction" texts: Hobbit, LotR, Silm, UT, and the three Great Tales. The rules don't actually require this! We could quote from the Letters if we wanted, though I'm not sure how much help it would be.

Citing the Mods:

And it came to pass that Ilúvatar called together all the Ainur and declared to them a mighty theme, unfolding to them things greater and more wonderful than he had yet revealed; and the glory of its beginning and the splendour of its end amazed the Ainur, so that they bowed before Ilúvatar and were silent.

Citing the Seer:

‘And what may be the words of the seer?’ said Legolas.

Citing 'this is just our belief':

But at last I can carry on the story, I think.

Five of the survivors are pretty easy to indicate:

Boro:

`Here,' said Elrond, turning to Gandalf, `is Boromir, a man from the South.

Legate:

Amon Lanc, "Naked Hill," was the highest point in the highland at the south-west corner of the Greenwood, and was so called because no trees grew on its summit.

Soriman:

And I would ask this also. What of Saruman?

Pitch:

It then became pitch-dark—not what you call pitch-dark, but really pitch: so black that you really could see nothing.


Morsul:

I guess it’s a choice feast; at least a tasty morsel it’d make us, gollum!

The other four I think can only be easily clued when it's obvious we're clueing names:

Sally:

Thither too fared Salgant atremble at the tidings, and other nobles beside of less blood but better heart.

Kath:

He is surer of finding the way home in a blind night than the cats of Queen Berúthiel.

Lottie:

“Yes, lots,” said Bilbo, before he remembered not to give his friends away.

Lommy:

As thralls thy mother and thy sister live in Dor-lómin, in misery and want.

(I wanted to use 'Lomion', but the only Silm quote is a huge sentence.)

And some possible actually-informative lines.

There is one wolf in this group/this person is a wolf:

At a gap in the circle a great dark wolf-shape could be seen halted, gazing at them.

There are multiple wolves in this group:

More than one host may issue from it, and strike for more than one passage.

This person is innocent:

Thus the Dwarves of Moria may be presumed to have been innocent of the ruin of Doriath and not hostile to the Elves.

I'd appreciate a Mod nudge if any of these would be unacceptable for some reason.

hS

[Galadriel55]

1. There is definitely no Hunter in this game. I did not screw up that badly. :D

2. Hui, those quotes look fine. I can't see a reason why they would not be allowed.

3. How did I know that you'd be the one doing this, if you ever ended up in the DT? :D

[Huinesoron]

Fair.

In my defence, I only remembered THAT you had asked, not on which thread, and it was the fact of asking that stuck out to me.


That's fair. No problem then. :)



3. How did I know that you'd be the one doing this, if you ever ended up in the DT?

:D Yeah, I'm very in-character here.

Unfortunately I also have a splitting headache and am already exhausted, so please don't make me a ghost, gang. (Honestly this close to my death I'd probably be tempted to troll them all day long anyway...)

Thinking now about my judicial murder yesterday: the wolves know that they will likely be at 3:5 today. If they can get one ordo to vote with them, that gets them a tie, and probably the game. So: could Boro be innocent, and two of Pitch, Lommy, and Legate wolves, banking on Boro being so convinced of the obviousness of my guilt that he won't think anything of their agreeing with it?

Generally, I agree with Greenie. ^_^ I'm sorry, I'm not being much use toNight, but I was up really late yesterDay.

I think sending a Ghost might be good - not necessarily to try and pass stuff on immediately, but to be there for reactions. I'm happy for either of you to return . :)

hS

[Formendacil]

Oh [EXPLETIVE], we have to settle on a Ghost before Daybreak. I was zoning out in a sort of warm weekend laziness/parenting sense of "eh, things can ramp up during the Day," but I guess that's not strictly true.

I am pro-Ghost: we have info and especially if the Wolves get a kill tonight, we need to convey info. It can be anyone: I'm around toMorrow, including toward the DL, but it's a weekend, so I could be scattershot or really available depending on the toddler.

[A Little Green]

Unfortunately I also have a splitting headache and am already exhausted, so please don't make me a ghost, gang. (Honestly this close to my death I'd probably be tempted to troll them all day long anyway...)

Thinking now about my judicial murder yesterday: the wolves know that they will likely be at 3:5 today. If they can get one ordo to vote with them, that gets them a tie, and probably the game. So: could Boro be innocent, and two of Pitch, Lommy, and Legate wolves, banking on Boro being so convinced of the obviousness of my guilt that he won't think anything of their agreeing with it?

Generally, I agree with Greenie. ^_^ I'm sorry, I'm not being much use toNight, but I was up really late yesterDay.

I think sending a Ghost might be good - not necessarily to try and pass stuff on immediately, but to be there for reactions. I'm happy for either of you to return .That's understandable. Hope you feel better soon :)

I'd love to try being the Ghost, but I'll be at a family thing more or less all Day toMorrow. :( Form, would you like to haunt the village? (I'd be happy to do it another Day if we get one!)

[Galadriel55]

Indeed, you have to decide on the Ghost question by DL. If you select a Ghost, from Daybreak he belongs to the GT and may not look at the DT.

In the meantime, a helpful illustration to keep your wolves straight.

https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/001/623/754/1b5.jpg

[A Little Green]

In the meantime, a helpful illustration to keep your wolves straight.Have I mentioned how much I love having a trolling Cobbler for a mod? :D

I am pro-Ghost: we have info and especially if the Wolves get a kill tonight, we need to convey info. It can be anyone: I'm around toMorrow, including toward the DL, but it's a weekend, so I could be scattershot or really available depending on the toddler. I agree, I think we should try to share what little info we have. Do I take it you could be our Ghost toMorrow? Even in worst-case toddler scenario you'd probably still be around more than me.

[Galadriel55]

Have I mentioned how much I love having a trolling Cobbler for a mod? :D

Any time. :Merisu:

[Formendacil]

Have I mentioned how much I love having a trolling Cobbler for a mod? :D

I agree, I think we should try to share what little info we have. Do I take it you could be our Ghost toMorrow? Even in worst-case toddler scenario you'd probably still be around more than me.

Yeah, it sounds like I might be the most available.

++Me

[Huinesoron]

Have I mentioned how much I love having a trolling Cobbler for a mod? :D
.

What are the odds she'd draw Cobbler three games in a row? :D

Yeah, it sounds like I might be the most available.

Entirely happy with this. Hope you have fun!

++Form

(I think the Downs blocks messages that are literally all quotes, right? Don't remember if it's come up before.)

hS

[A Little Green]

Not that this is necessary, but just to make it official -

++ Form

Haunt them well! :smokin:

[Galadriel55]

Quotey quote

^ I tested the quotes thing with this, and was not allowed to post.

Good point. The Ghost must put in at least one non-quoted character. Or just not wrap the quotes in the quote code, just put them as plain text. I would not count it against you if you, say, signed the post or put a letter outside the quotes or something to allow it to post if you choose to use the quotes format.

[Galadriel55]

I will make it clear when the Day starts that the Ghost is allowed to include characters outside the quote boxes for Downs-working reasons.

[Galadriel55]

Thinking through this a bit more, and trying to make it more consistent so that people don't read into the non-quote text too much, why don't you always put "Ghost" at the end of the post? That way we will avoid debates of the type of "well the first post says ojhos but the second says sjisuh, that must mean something".

[Formendacil]

Thinking through this a bit more, and trying to make it more consistent so that people don't read into the non-quote text too much, why don't you always put "Ghost" at the end of the post? That way we will avoid debates of the type of "well the first post says ojhos but the second says sjisuh, that must mean something".

Sounds easy enough.

[Galadriel55]

This is so exciting! There will be a haunting! And how fitting that it should be you, Form - weren't you the one to propose this idea in the first place?

++Ghost for president :D

[Galadriel55]

Beren crept in the shadows until he found a good hiding spot, in between two large rocks. From there he had a good view of the one outlaw he thought would be the victim of the next nightly terror. He perked up as he thought he heard a claw scraping on stone. He was tight as a spring, ready to leap to the defense of the outlaw in front of him.

He never saw the blow coming from behind.



The Living
Boro
Kath
Legate
Lommy
Morsul
Pitch
Sally
Soriman
***Formendacil - Ghost (Gorlim)

The Dead
Gorlim (NPC/Ghost)
Galadriel55 (Night 1)
BlindGuardian (Night 1)
Greenie (Day 1 - Ordo)
***Formendacil (Night 2 - Ordo)
Hui (Day 2 - Ordo)
Loslote (Night 3 - Ranger)


It is now Day 3.

You may cast a collective vote to be counted on the GT at deadline. First person to reach the max votes blah blah blah. You know the drill. Good Morning, and Good Luck!

[Loslote]

Well. Hello, friends. I had hoped to do a bit better my first time as Ranger! :eek:

The other potentially interesting thing to look at is the snippet of information we were given at the end of yesterDay: that at least one wolf received votes yesterDay. Given that I'm officially not a wolf, that leaves one or more wolves among Morsul, Pitch, Huin, Sally and Lottie. It's not a massive revelation given that that's literally half the village, but unless something really dramatic happens toDay, I'd suggest we pick our vote from among those five.

We are now down to Morsul, Pitch, and Sally. Could be any one of them, they're all suspicious to me.

That said, Lottie has been unusually touchy over being suspected, especially toDay but she exhibited some signs of it already yesterDay (I can't remember exactly what this was, but she started talking about self-preservation when she'd got one vote and no one else seemed very suspicious of her). This makes me think possible Gifted as well as possible wolf, so I might want to give her a pass toDay. Besides, the village might kill her anyway.


I make for a terrible Gifted, because I know for a fact that I'm always going to be suspected, and I've been the easy lynch too many times to *not* get flustered and defensive when I'm Gifted. :o

Sadly that's probably true. I do agree with you about Lottie too. If she survives both toDay and tomorrow Night, she's definitely a wolf.

Well...I didn't. :p

*Sigh* I was hoping I would be targeted, but I understand why I wasn't.

Yes...I protected Boro last Night thinking that if he wasn't a wolf, either he or I would likely be targeted. It was either going to be the "morning glory" I hinted at in my first post or inevitable defeat. Guess which one I lucked into!

[A Little Green]

Oh well. It's good to be right about something at least - though in this instance I'd have preferred to be wrong. :( Welcome, Lottie!
I make for a terrible Gifted, because I know for a fact that I'm always going to be suspected, and I've been the easy lynch too many times to *not* get flustered and defensive when I'm Gifted. Understandable. Anyway, not sure if it's any better than what I tend to do as a Gifted, which is to hide too carefully. I've been lynched as "slippery" when a Ranger, and killed as a "no-trace kill" on Night 2 as a Seer. (I'm not kidding. The wolves had no idea I was the Seer. :rolleyes:)

On the bright side, looks like Form has managed to convey our list of three potential wolves to the village! At the moment it looks like they might go for Sally. Based on my reread last Night, my best guess is still that either Pitch or Sally is a wolf but probably not both, and same for Pitch and Lommy. I actually hope they go for Pitch toDay because I find him a bit more suspicious than Sally, but it doesn't look like it's going that way so far. I'm actually torn on whether Sally's reaction to potentially being on the chopping block toDay is frustrated innocent or frustrated wolf who thinks they're being suspected for the wrong reasons. I have virtually no read on Morsul, and his early Sally vote is annoying but I guess it makes sense from his point of view whether he's innocent or not.

Like I said earlier, I have something of a busy day today. I'll be around sporadically for the next couple of hours (when nothing usually happens anyway), then back only a few hours before DL. I really, really hope the Seer has bagged us a wolf, or at least has something that will narrow down our choices because I don't like the odds at the moment.

[Huinesoron]

Hey Lottie, welcome to the Dead, sorry to see you here. :( At the very least, your death protected the Seer, and that could be invaluable.

Looking back at the Things We Know:

a) As you say, Morsul, Sally, and Pitch contains one or more wolves.

But more importantly:

c) With you as the Group B Gifted, the Seer is either Legate , Lommy, Soriman, or Kath.

If anyone OTHER than those four claims Seer, GhostForm will know they are lying and point them out as a wolf.

So hoping for a Pitch or Sally Seer-claim. :)

Who did you protect the previous Night, Lottie?

hS

[A Little Green]

c) With you as the Group B Gifted, the Seer is either Legate , Lommy, Soriman, or Kath.

If anyone OTHER than those four claims Seer, GhostForm will know they are lying and point them out as a wolf.

So hoping for a Pitch or Sally Seer-claim.This is very true! I'll be interested to see which of them it is. I don't think Sally will try counter-revealing - she's already posted, and just said she's innocent and shouldn't be lynched. A fake Seer reveal after that wouldn't look very convincing because the real Seer would have no reason not to reveal immediately. Pitch might, which would be entertaining.

Worst case scenario, we get two Seer reveals out of those four. After all, there could technically be one or two wolves among them, too - and in that case, Form couldn't help distinguish between who's the real Seer and who isn't. (I'm aware I'm catastrophising in advance. I probably shouldn't. :D)

[Huinesoron]

Worst case scenario, we get two Seer reveals out of those four. After all, there could technically be one or two wolves among them, too - and in that case, Form couldn't help distinguish between who's the real Seer and who isn't. (I'm aware I'm catastrophising in advance. I probably shouldn't. :D)

Worst case is that Soriman or Kath is the Seer and doesn't show up until dead late, after one of the other three has claimed and swung the vote.

hS

[A Little Green]

Worst case is that Soriman or Kath is the Seer and doesn't show up until dead late, after one of the other three has claimed and swung the vote.:rolleyes:

Other than that - Morsul's logic is off. His "strategy" of voting Sally early to force the wolves' hand (?) only makes sense if Sally is a wolf. If she isn't, the wolves will have an easy time piling on the votes. Since we know Morsul can't be the Seer who knows Sally's alignment for sure, I'm led to conclude that Morsul is either a wolf or a really overconfident ordo. :D Also, his early vote is fishy given that he himself said he's expecting a Seer reveal toDay. If he is, why on earth wouldn't he wait to hear what the Seer has to say before voting?

My problem is, all three of our prospective wolves (Sally, Morsul, and Pitch) look suspicious individually, but not really together. Or at least, neither of the other two seem like likely pairings with Sally. Pitch/Morsul is a possibility - Morsul does immediately pursue Sally without stopping to even consider Pitch. And after all, they can sort of afford to be brazen toDay; if they lynch an innocent they win immediately, and even if one of them gets lynched toDay, they'll still be in a decent position toMorrow.

Also, Lommy is either genuinely confused or keeping up her "poor confused ordo" routine from the Day before. She does say this though -
Not a fan of Morsul's plans, for reasons that I don't feel confident expressing in public. I'm not sure what she is referring to here. Is she the Seer who hasn't done the math yet, or does she think Morsul might be the Seer? Or is this wolf code for something? Or does she mean she's not confident talking about it because she's confused? :confused:

That said, I'm starting to fear we're dealing with a wolf pack of, say, Pitch, Kath and Legate, comfortably watching from the sidelines as the village slaughters itself.

[Huinesoron]

Boro #278: is this a shadow-Seer claim? He uses the word 'StEER' six times over two paragraphs, along with phrases like "For toDay, Legate perhaps it is a comfort to you that my steering is done", and "Sometimes you must brave the rapids and risk losing folk with a true-heart in them", which certainly could be an acknowledgement that he pushed for my lynch without a wolf read on me.

... but we know he's /not/ the Seer, because per the Night 3 Tidbit we know Lottie is the only Gifted who's received votes.

It's vague enough to be deniable, but I think BoroWolf just gave himself away. Hopefully Form catches it!

hS

[Galadriel55]

https://cdn10.bigcommerce.com/s-pyhhfwh/products/1603/images/3715/00103-1_copy__03410.1545187131.1280.1280.jpg?c=2

[Huinesoron]

I can probably be around pretty close to Deadline, so I'm available for tie-breaking duty. I'm shocked we haven't had anything more Seerish than ShadowBoro - has the Seer not done the maths, or do they think the Sally vote is a good one? Or... some other reason?

Still, looks like Form's having fun. :D

hS

[Huinesoron]

OK, sally, if I understand you right then you, Boro and Morsul are all innocent, as well as myself (which I knew already). Of course I'd be happy to believe that.

Now Pitch is trying to paint Sally as claiming Seer, which again we Dead know can't be true, but I also can't see how Sally could be construed as claiming it.

It's possible Boro was trying to look Seerish to attract wolf attention, but, like... on this day? Risking a Seer vs. Ordo claim-off? I don't think it too likely.

hS

[A Little Green]

I can probably be around pretty close to Deadline, so I'm available for tie-breaking duty. I'm shocked we haven't had anything more Seerish than ShadowBoro - has the Seer not done the maths, or do they think the Sally vote is a good one? Or... some other reason?

Still, looks like Form's having fun. I just got back and was thinking the same! ShadowBoro is giving me a headache, Pitch is fishy, and Sally literally just listed both Morsul and Pitch under "wouldn't vote". I'm starting to wonder if our Cobbler of a moddess hasn't made literally everyone a wolf. :eek:

It's pretty late here and I have work early tomorrow morning, so I won't stay up much longer. I think it's safer if I again don't vote, just in case something dramatic happens after I'm gone. Barring a real or fake Seer reveal, I'm happy with us voting for any of Sally/Pitch/Morsul. I'd have said that given the choice I'd prefer Pitch, but you also made a very good point about Sally's being on the chopping block as a possible reason why the Seer hasn't revealed. Also she's definitely acting strange toDay.

So - I trust your judgement on which of the three we pick toDay. I think they all look like wolves anyway. :D

[Loslote]

I do think that if Morsul and Sally are both innocent, then the wolves would have already started piling on that vote...although they still have the Dead vote to deal with, too. So I'm guessing either Sally is our wolf, or Morsul's vote is a wolf feeling out to see if any innocents are willing to bite. I suspect Sally and Soriman are packmates, and I like the theory that Lommy might be the third. I'd be happy to vote Sally for the Dead Thread vote, but it would be much better if we could wait to see what the Living do before casting our votes.

[Huinesoron]

Soriman - when you eventually read this, a note in passing: saying things like "honestly I couldn't eat someone!" doesn't make you look innocent. In Werewolf on the Downs, in-character, role-playing type stuff generally only happens very early on Day One when there's nothing else to say. People will talk later on about possible wolves looking furry, or having fangs, but they won't try and present that sort of thing as evidence, which is how that line comes across.

(I was going to say something back on Day One, with your "we don't even know the werewolves will come back", but I think I edited it out. Same thing, though.)

hS

[Loslote]

Ahh, looks like Sally doesn't realize we *do* get special information.....

[Galadriel55]

I'm starting to wonder if our Cobbler of a moddess hasn't made literally everyone a wolf. :eek:

No. But I might have made half the village secret cobblers. :Merisu:

[A Little Green]

No, but they are fallible. Remember, our seer is still among us somewhere, so the dead have nothing to go on but their opinions.Now Sally is trying to lure the Seer out of hiding, and she either doesn't remember that we get tidbits of info from the mod, or is trying to downplay it. ??

I do think that if Morsul and Sally are both innocent, then the wolves would have already started piling on that vote...although they still have the Dead vote to deal with, too. So I'm guessing either Sally is our wolf, or Morsul's vote is a wolf feeling out to see if any innocents are willing to bite. I suspect Sally and Soriman are packmates, and I like the theory that Lommy might be the third. I'd be happy to vote Sally for the Dead Thread vote, but it would be much better if we could wait to see what the Living do before casting our votes. I agree with everything here (except for the bit about Soriman - I have no read on them whatsoever). I do think that if Pitch isn't a wolf, Lommy fairly likely is. I'm off to bed now, but I trust you two can handle this :smokin:

[A Little Green]

No. But I might have made half the village secret cobblers.That would explain a lot. :p

[Huinesoron]

So - I trust your judgement on which of the three we pick toDay. I think they all look like wolves anyway. :D

So say we all! We'll try to do the right thing.

Ahh, looks like Sally doesn't realize we *do* get special information.....

Or is trying to keep the players who haven't been around much from realising it?

Speaking of not around... how do you feel about Legate as our literally-missing Seer?

But I might have made half the village secret cobblers.

What?! I thought it was just me! :D

[Huinesoron]

Then again, if sally's #316 and #318 are a last ditch attempt by satansawerewolf to sway toDay's voting

... last-ditch? Hasn't there been, er, one whole vote?

Has Pitch conjured a SallySeerClaim out of nowhere and then used it to argue a Sally Wolf?

hS

[Huinesoron]

I mean, you're literally asking for it, so yes, fine, I'm the seer. Of

AHA! No you most definitely are not, and Form needs to say so ASAP.

Given that Pitch "spotted her Seer hints" before she'd actually said anything which could reasonably be construed that way, I am 99% sure they're a second wolf.

hS

[Huinesoron]

This ridiculous by play between sally and Pitch is making me think there is more than one wolf in that little gang, because if sally is the Seer I'll eat my hat.

Kath for Seer, but more importantly, Kath voted! That gives us:

Morsul > Sally
Kath > Sally (2)

Two more votes and we get another Day.

hS

[Huinesoron]

Not voting yet, because there's still a chance of something crazy happening. Our vote breaks ties, right? So a 4/4/1 would go to whichever 4 we were in.

hS

[Loslote]

Sally's trying to get people to vote Kath even though, in the scenario where she's the Seer and Morsul is a dreamed innocent, Pitch would by default be a guaranteed wolf...... :p

[Huinesoron]

Sally's trying to get people to vote Kath even though, in the scenario where she's the Seer and Morsul is a dreamed innocent, Pitch would by default be a guaranteed wolf...... :p

She's still playing the "the Dead are fallible and so meaningless" card, isn't she?

But "cross fingers that Kath isn't just a misguided innocent" would be a terrible 'only hope' play even if she wasn't a wolf.

hS

[Galadriel55]

Our vote breaks ties, right? So a 4/4/1 would go to whichever 4 we were in.

Confirmed. Your vote is, like, 1.5 votes in magnitude. If it causes a tie to happen, it will "win" the tie.

[Loslote]

Alright, Boro! :D We only need one more vote for Sally or two split votes for other people and we have it.

[Huinesoron]

Confirmed. Your vote is, like, 1.5 votes in magnitude. If it causes a tie to happen, it will "win" the tie.

Thank you. :)

Morsul > Sally
Kath > Sally (2)
Boro > Sally (3)

Looks like Sallywolf is going down. I am deeply suspicious of Lommy saying that the real Seer should reveal, but I know I was saying the same thing earlier. :)

If the wolves see the writing on the wall and join the Sally wagon, do we want to vote for someone else? I mean, Sally's the one we actually KNOW is a wolf, so maybe it's best to stick with that.

(Very amused to note that the voting dead toDay are totally different to the voting dead yesterDay...)

hS

[Loslote]

Hmm, Soriman wants to see what Lommy has to say, does he? Does that mean Lommy is a packmate, or that Lommy's the last hope of the wolves to get a bandwagon going another direction?

[Huinesoron]

Couple of questions for CobblMod55. Feel free not to answer/to answer in Admin if it's more appropriate:

1) If the Seer dies toNight, do they still get their dream result?

2) If a wolf is choosing the information we learn, will they get the full thing or a class of info? Eg, "a Gifted was voted for" vs "whether any Gifted were voted for"?

hS

[Loslote]

If the wolves see the writing on the wall and join the Sally wagon, do we want to vote for someone else? I mean, Sally's the one we actually KNOW is a wolf, so maybe it's best to stick with that.

I think if it's a landslide for Sally, we could probably vote for Soriman, to let the village know we suspect him. Up to you, though - I'm comfortable letting you cast the only vote, so we don't muddy the waters!

[Huinesoron]

Hmm, Soriman wants to see what Lommy has to say, does he? Does that mean Lommy is a packmate, or that Lommy's the last hope of the wolves to get a bandwagon going another direction?

I think that might be more of a "Lommy is considering the case and I'm not confident in my own ability to figure it out". I think my first game I ceded my decision-making to Sally as a known innocent, only for her to guide me into protecting an evil Boro. It's the sort of thing first-time players do.

hS

[Galadriel55]

1) If the Seer dies toNight, do they still get their dream result?

If they are Night-killed, yes, like they would still get the dream in a normal game, just unable to post in the GT to state it. If they are lynched, they will join the DT at Nightfall and therefore not get their dream toNight as they are already dead.

2) If a wolf is choosing the information we learn, will they get the full thing or a class of info? Eg, "a Gifted was voted for" vs "whether any Gifted were voted for"?

They will get statements of the type you have seen before. They will merely choose which statement you guys get to see.

[Loslote]

We've got the four votes - Sally, welcome to the Dead Thread! :D

[Huinesoron]

Thanks G55. :)

I think if it's a landslide for Sally, we could probably vote for Soriman, to let the village know we suspect him. Up to you, though - I'm comfortable letting you cast the only vote, so we don't muddy the waters!

As just cross-posted, I'm less convinced about Soriman. I think Pitch is almost definitely a wolf... but I don't want them thinking we actually know something when we don't!

Good job, guys. We're doomed. *slow clap*

Poor doomed SalWolf. The funny part is that our Ghost wasn't even around to reveal her falsehood, and she still got done in...!

hS

[Huinesoron]

Lottie, what do you think to voting Sally to confirm that we're on the same page? It would also be consistent with yesterDay, which makes it look like we knew all along. :)

We have to catch a wolf every Day to avoid an instant loss, right? So I guess we'll be sending a Ghost toMorrow, and don't want them to have to deal with "the Dead said X is a wolf in their vote!".

hS

[Huinesoron]

If you were the real seer, I'm sorry (but I don't think so)

[Face-palm] Pitch you were her biggest advocate a few minutes ago.

hS

[Galadriel55]

... which makes it look like we knew all along. :)

You know, this is what I absolutely love about an empowered Dead Thread. :D

[Huinesoron]

You know, this is what I absolutely love about an empowered Dead Thread. :D

You don't know how close I am to taking your advice and voting Brinn. ;) Well, you probably do actually.

hS

[Galadriel55]

You don't know how close I am to taking your advice and voting Brinn. ;) Well, you probably do actually.

hS

Would you like us to fake-vote Brinn in the narration? Because that is something I can totally make happen. :D

[Huinesoron]

Would you like us to fake-vote Brinn in the narration? Because that is something I can totally make happen. :D

I wouldn't be averse to a 'Brinn... er, Sally!', assuming we actually vote for her. If we go somewhere else it's probably best to avoid the confusion.

hS

[Huinesoron]

Okay, in the absence of argument from Lottie, to avoid any last-minute tech hitches, and to make it nice, neat, and unanimous...

++ Br... er, ++SALLY

One last ride for the old CobblGang.

("Last" - as if!)

hS

[Huinesoron]

And hi, Sally, welcome to the Dead Thread. Feel free to tell us who your pack are - we definitely won't take advantage of it. You can even tell us in Tolkien quotes if you like! :D

And Form - welcome back! Have fun? I remain deeply amused that you didn't even need to use our firm knowledge that Sally couldn't be the Seer - they figured it out without us!

hS

[Formendacil]

Oh thank goodness I'm back!

Got a whole lot of thread to read. Let me tell you: being a Ghost really is ghastly!

[Galadriel55]

I shall not return to the Dark Lord empty-handed! I shall not return before completing my mission! I cannot go back to him as a naked phantom, devoid of flesh and earthly power! Even if I beg forgiveness and plead my usefulness in killing Beren, he will not have mercy on me. I shall stay! Stay and complete the labour assigned to me by Sauron! - shrieked sally as her fea left her hroa.

The thunder continued to rumble. In its fading booms, the houseless spirits thought they could discern the words: They’re taking the hobbits to Isengard! Then they realized that the weather was hijacked by CaptainObvious!Legolas, who, instead of flying over mountains to fetch the sun, has messed up and fetched some thunderbolts instead. They were going to have to wait a few hours to find out what message of truth the trees and the grass and the water and the skies had to offer them.

The Living
Boro
Kath
Legate
Lommy
Morsul
Pitch
Soriman

The Dead
Gorlim (NPC/Ghost)
Galadriel55 (Night 1)
BlindGuardian (Night 1)
Greenie (Day 1 - Ordo)
Formendacil (Night 2 - Ordo)
Hui (Day 2 - Ordo)
Loslote (Night 3 - Ranger)
Sally (Day 3 - Wolf)

Night 4 begins.


Infodrop will be sent to Sally within about 30 minutes - that has been our time generally the first two times around. Your decision is due 6h after the DL.

Everyone on the thread, you may vote on sending another Ghost for toMorrow. Sally, for what it's worth, that includes you.

Dead wolves cannot communicate with Living wolves.

What else haven't I said yet that I should be saying? You will tell me what rules I've missed in this post.

[Galadriel55]

Oh thank goodness I'm back!

Got a whole lot of thread to read. Let me tell you: being a Ghost really is ghastly!

Ah, yes! Thoughts on Ghost. Anything that should be modified before the next haunting?

[Formendacil]

... but we know he's /not/ the Seer, because per the Night 3 Tidbit we know Lottie is the only Gifted who's received votes.

It's vague enough to be deniable, but I think BoroWolf just gave himself away. Hopefully Form catches it!

Formerdacil did not catch it. I spent way too much mental energy tunnel-visioned in on finding acceptable quotes that I forgot to... play the game. I.e. to take what I knew (who couldn't be a Gifted) and translate that to the game in front of me.

I can probably be around pretty close to Deadline, so I'm available for tie-breaking duty. I'm shocked we haven't had anything more Seerish than ShadowBoro - has the Seer not done the maths, or do they think the Sally vote is a good one? Or... some other reason?

Still, looks like Form's having fun.

Got the "looks like fun" comment a lot on the Game thread too--and it is, but it's also a step up in terms of work. I would have been more silent than I was (and presumably even less effective) if it hadn't been a weekend: not because of time contraints. I ended up being around a fair bit, but the big different weekday to weekend is that finding quotes and copying them would have been WAAAAAY more of a pain on my phone.

AHA! No you most definitely are not, and Form needs to say so ASAP.

Form needed to realise this and he 100% hadn't. Cluelessness doesn't end in the afterlife. :p

Ah, yes! Thoughts on Ghost. Anything that should be modified before the next haunting?

I don't know that there's anything I'd modify. Big fail on my part losing sight of the "full sentences" bit, though perhaps my failure to realise "anyone who has been voted for ≠ a Gift" balanced out my unwitting cheating.

It really is an experience being "Dead but trapped in the world of the Living" and barred from passing on to the "Place of the Dead" (thread). I think part of my tunnel vision--besides the never ending quest to find a way to express myself and my knowledge in quotes--had something to do with being as diligent as possible about not entering the Dead Thread while I was the Ghost. I gotta say, it really hammers home the extent to which this game relies on trusting our fellow players. I mean, we do, but the source of illicit info is RIGHT THERE. It's an honour system and it's pretty awesome.

It's harder than you think to find quotes, though it is pretty fun! I do wonder if The Letters might have been easier, but that didn't feel quite as sporting. It's Tolkien, but it isn't Middle-earth, if that makes sense.

[satansaloser2005]

Honey, I'm hoooooooooooome! *howls*

[Galadriel55]

Well you guys are quiet toNight. Is everybody dead? :p

It really is an experience being "Dead but trapped in the world of the Living" and barred from passing on to the "Place of the Dead" (thread). I think part of my tunnel vision--besides the never ending quest to find a way to express myself and my knowledge in quotes--had something to do with being as diligent as possible about not entering the Dead Thread while I was the Ghost. I gotta say, it really hammers home the extent to which this game relies on trusting our fellow players. I mean, we do, but the source of illicit info is RIGHT THERE. It's an honour system and it's pretty awesome.

It absolutely is! (But don't give anyone ideas :p)

What I've always found fascinating is how couples manage to play this game and not give anything away. Every time Legate and Lommy play together, which is actually quite often, I imagine them trying very hard to keep their poker-faces and avoid looking at each other while they're at the computers. And same goes for all the other WW couples. I don't know how you guys do it, I think I would be instantly meta-read by my behaviour IRL during the game. Would anyone like to share the wisdom? :D

[satansaloser2005]

Agreed, it's spooooOOOOooooky quiet.

[satansaloser2005]

Fair warning, I will be pretty quiet during real life tomorrow, as I am having some surgery and will be either unconscious or wicked high for most of the day, so I probably won't be around.

I do look forward to all of the shenanigans that will be waiting for me when I get back though.

Keep lynching innocents! Go, team, go!

[Galadriel55]

I hope everything goes well tomorrow Sally. Rest up, and let the packmates worry about the rest of it. ;)

[Blind Guardian]

Fair warning, I will be pretty quiet during real life tomorrow, as I am having some surgery and will be either unconscious or wicked high for most of the day, so I probably won't be around.

I do look forward to all of the shenanigans that will be waiting for me when I get back though.

Keep lynching innocents! Go, team, go!

Sally please tell me you're still online. I deleted the email with the pick!! Please resend it. I can't even click on your username for some reason to PM you. :o

[Blind Guardian]

I sent Sally a message, but omg I had one job and I messed it up!! :(

[Blind Guardian]

Why do we only get 20 spaces for messages? It's the worst for werewolf.

[Blind Guardian]

Woohoo! Sally comes through at the absolute perfect time!! Here is toNight's infodump for you all to digest... Use it wisely.


Both remaining wolves voted for Hui at some point in the game

[A Little Green]

Good job, fellow corpses! One down, two to go :smokin:
Given that Pitch "spotted her Seer hints" before she'd actually said anything which could reasonably be construed that way, I am 99% sure they're a second wolf.This is a good point. In other ways, too, Pitch was giving off a vibe of a wolf wavering between bussing or not bussing a fellow.

Another good thing - the real Seer didn't come out despite a fake reveal, so they get at least one more dream. (Great way to go by the way, Sallycakes!) I really, really hope Boro is innocent and the wolves take his fake-Seer bait, but he might have been a bit too explicit about it to make this plausible. Secondly, if Lommy is the Seer, she's a genius with all that stuff about thinking the real Seer should come out. (Sadly, I think she's more likely to be a wolf than the Seer.)

Both remaining wolves voted for Hui at some point in the game
So that's two wolves among Morsul, Lommy, Pitch, Boro, and Legate. Soriman and Kath are innocent. That's good, that narrows it down a bit.

I think we should definitely do another Ghost toMorrow - we can't afford not to, given that we basically have two known innocents.

[A Little Green]

I also meant to say that Form, you did a very impressive job as the Ghost! And Sally, hope everything goes well and you'll feel better soon <3

[Loslote]

I hope everything goes well, Sally! Wishing you speedy healing. <3

Form, you were a total rockstar - that was an incredible effort, and watching Boro pick up the clues so perfectly was an absolutely delight. :D

So that's Boro, Pitch, Legate, Lommy, and Morsul (Day 1). Unless I missed a vote somewhere, that completely clears Kath and - I am legit surprised here - Soriman. :eek: If we recall, our Seer is one of Legate, Lommy, Soriman, or Kath, so our Ghost should perhaps lead the village away from possible Seers [/b]Legate[/b] and Lommy. Ideally I would love to see the village go for Pitch toMorrow, because of how he seemed to set up the Sally-Seer fake reveal, perhaps by looking for several "the pitch black of night" quotes.

I think Boro's decoy Seer play, and particularly the way he stopped doing it once the Ranger was dead, and his incredible interpretation of Form's quotes made him look very much innocent. Morsul jumped on Sally right away, but if all three of them were wolves, that would have been a no-win situation regardless of who he turned the blame on. Lommy and Legate kept hemming and hawing over Boro's interpretation long enough that I found it a little suspicious, Lommy maybe more so, but as possible Seers, I don't think we should paint them into a corner too quickly - not when we have a more likely wolf in Pitch. So, my vote would be for our Ghost to clear the names of Soriman and Kath, and try to push the village towards lynching Pitch. Do we have any volunteers for what we now know is a work intensive job early in the week? :p

[Huinesoron]

Collecting vote-tallies. Italics for innocent (including our Mod-confirmed pair), bold for wolf.

Day 1:

Kath > Morsul
Greenie > Pitch
Morsul > hS
Lommy > hS [2]
Legate > Greenie
Huinesoron > Greenie [2]
Form > Sally
Boro > Lottie
Lottie > Greenie [3]
Sally > no-one
Pitch > hS [3]
Soriman > no vote

Day 2:

Morsul > Sally
Sally > Lottie
Kath > Sally [2]
Soriman > Lottie [2]
Huinesoron > Boro
Boro > Huinesoron
Lommy > Huinesoron (2)
Legate > Huinesoron (3) [cross]
Pitch > Huinesoron (4)
Lottie > Huinesoron (5)

Day 3:

Morsul --> Sally
Kath > Sally (2)
Boro > Sally (3)
Lommy --> Sally (4)
Soriman --> Sally (5)
Legate --> Sally (6)
Pitch --> Sally (7)

Wow, we... actually know a lot. But not... quite... enough.

I do think Kath's instant disbelief of Sally's Seer claim was a bit too Seerish, and that we'll probably see Kath show up here toNight. Best case would probably be to see Legate or Lommy rock up as an ordo, because that would leave us only one wolf/seer candidate.

hS

[Huinesoron]

Updated Things We (Still) Know:

A) This information all used up.

B) None of Boro, Pitch, and Morsul are the Seer.

C) The Seer is either Legate, Lommy, Soriman, or Kath.

D) The two wolves can be found among Boro, Pitch, Legate, Lommy, and Morsul .

E) Soriman and Kath cannot be wolves.

Wolf/Ordo: Boro, Pitch, Morsul
Wolf/Seer: Legate, Lommy
Ordo/Seer: Soriman, Kath

I agree that we should send a Ghost in with this info. I guess I'll volunteer if nobody actually wants it?

My inclination is to say the Ghost should lead with a clear post stating the two Mod-read innocents. How clear is/isn't this?

~

And it came to pass that Ilúvatar called together all the Ainur and declared to them a mighty theme, unfolding to them things greater and more wonderful than he had yet revealed; and the glory of its beginning and the splendour of its end amazed the Ainur, so that they bowed before Ilúvatar and were silent.

It must be remembered that the Stones were originally "innocent," serving no evil purpose.

In a casket on a high shelf two things were laid.

He then pointed out and named those whom Frodo had not met before.

And I would ask this also. What of Saruman?

He is surer of finding the way home in a blind night than the cats of Queen Berúthiel.

~

I wish there was a better way of clueing Kath.

hS

[Formendacil]

If you want the gig, Hui, it's all yours. I'm WILLING to do it again but I'm more than willing to spread the love.

And, yes, our new, supplemental knowledge of the Known Innocents should be our first and foremost focus.

[Huinesoron]

If you want the gig, Hui, it's all yours. I'm WILLING to do it again but I'm more than willing to spread the love.


Long story short: I'm confident I can pass on the Known Innocents and our suspicion of Pitch, and can call out a fake Boro/Pitch/Morsul Seer play. I doubt I'll be much good at guiding the Living beyond that, so if someone else feels more capable, I will happily let them be the Ghost.

hS

[Formendacil]

Long story short: I'm confident I can pass on the Known Innocents and our suspicion of Pitch, and can call out a fake Boro/Pitch/Morsul Seer play. I doubt I'll be much good at guiding the Living beyond that, so if someone else feels more capable, I will happily let them be the Ghost.

hS

Guiding the Living is like herding cats, so that's a bonus not the meat of the matter.

[A Little Green]

Long story short: I'm confident I can pass on the Known Innocents and our suspicion of Pitch, and can call out a fake Boro/Pitch/Morsul Seer play. I doubt I'll be much good at guiding the Living beyond that, so if someone else feels more capable, I will happily let them be the Ghost.

hSGuiding the Living is like herding cats, so that's a bonus not the meat of the matter.This is probably sad but true. Huin, you sound more than capable for the job, so if you want it, do go for it! :) I'll try to have a quick look at our prospective wolves (Pitch, Boro, Legate, Lommy and Morsul) and their interactions with Sally later today, just to see if there's something obvious we've missed.

[Huinesoron]

Guiding the Living is like herding cats, so that's a bonus not the meat of the matter.

This is probably sad but true. Huin, you sound more than capable for the job, so if you want it, do go for it! :) I'll try to have a quick look at our prospective wolves (Pitch, Boro, Legate, Lommy and Morsul) and their interactions with Sally later today, just to see if there's something obvious we've missed.

Heh, fair enough. Okay, then,

++HUINESORON

for misguided Ghost.

Gorlim it was, who wearying
of toil and flight and harrying
one night by chance did turn his feet
o'er the dark fields by stealth to meet
with hidden friends within a dale...

hS

[Huinesoron]

I gotta say, it really hammers home the extent to which this game relies on trusting our fellow players. I mean, we do, but the source of illicit info is RIGHT THERE. It's an honour system and it's pretty awesome.

I love the fact that the game about everyone lying is also a game that requires us to trust everyone. It's a glorious paradox. ^_^


It's harder than you think to find quotes, though it is pretty fun! I do wonder if The Letters might have been easier, but that didn't feel quite as sporting. It's Tolkien, but it isn't Middle-earth, if that makes sense.

Makes perfect sense. :) I've stuck with what I consider to be the "published legendarium" - allowing the Great Tales, but not anything from HoME or anything non-Middle-earth. Doing the whole thing in quotes from Beowulf, Arthur, Kullervo, Gawain, Pearl, and Sigurd/Gudrun would be hilarious in principle, but very hard in practice.

Ideally I would love to see the village go for Pitch toMorrow, because of how he seemed to set up the Sally-Seer fake reveal, perhaps by looking for several "the pitch black of night" quotes.


I've managed to scrape together three, one of which includes the word "pitch" at least twice (thank you, Bilbo!). It should suffice.

Given the whole midnight thing, my plan is to hit the Living with a string of four posts right off the bat, and then basically go to sleep and let the wolves try and claim they don't understand what a quote with the word innocent in actual quote marks could possibly mean.

(It's 'It must be remembered that the Stones were originally "innocent," serving no evil purpose', from UT.)

Assuming the Ghost rules don't change, of course. I think they worked pretty much as intended, but know that others may have different opinions. Mods, if the Ghost rules are going to be changed, will we be told the new rules at Daybreak or in advance?

hS

[Galadriel55]

Assuming the Ghost rules don't change, of course. I think they worked pretty much as intended, but know that others may have different opinions. Mods, if the Ghost rules are going to be changed, will we be told the new rules at Daybreak or in advance?

I don't think the Ghost will change. Stick to what we have (and full sentences please!). If I do get a really good suggestion in my PM box in the next couple hours, I will let you know. Otherwise I will confirm on the Admin thread that the Ghost remains the same - also in a couple hours.

[satansaloser2005]

Oh, I don't know, I'd love to throw my hat in the ring to be the ghost!

P.S. I think the seer is Kath. Or, as my voice to text thought I was saying, I think the serious calf.

I'm strongly considering telling you guys things later today, but doing so only through voice to text, which will butcher everyone's names. This would give you extra fun in trying to work out what I'm saying.

[Huinesoron]

Oh, I don't know, I'd love to throw my hat in the ring to be the ghost!

I think you'd be a really good Ghost, and definitely trustworthy! :D


P.S. I think the seer is Kath. Or, as my voice to text thought I was saying, I think the serious calf.

++SERIOUS CALF


I'm strongly considering telling you guys things later today, but doing so only through voice to text, which will butcher everyone's names. This would give you extra fun in trying to work out what I'm saying.

That would actually be hilarious. :D I want to spend toMorrow trying to tell the Living "our pet wolf said 'the left hand marble is blue', we're sure she's telling us who her packmates are!"

(It is possible I lose my ability to take the game seriously when I die.)

hS

[satansaloser2005]

Well, I'm certainly the most trustworthy wolf you'll ever meet! Do you know how hard it was to reveal myself falsely as the seer? I only did it because people were literally asking for it.

[Galadriel55]

++SERIOUS CALF

I'm strongly considering telling you guys things later today, but doing so only through voice to text, which will butcher everyone's names. This would give you extra fun in trying to work out what I'm saying.

A reverse Ghost! *applause*

Well, I'm certainly the most trustworthy wolf you'll ever meet! Do you know how hard it was to reveal myself falsely as the seer? I only did it because people were literally asking for it.

:D:D:D

Sally you are a delight. ^.^

[A Little Green]

Sally you are my favourite wolf. I'm happy we got you here. <33 I also vote that we exclusively refer to Kath as Serious Calf from now on.

(It is possible I lose my ability to take the game seriously when I die.)This is a distinct possibility. Although I have to say we've been admirably on topic and focused until now! If the village wasn't in such a dire situation, I'd suggest you throw in one completely random quote just to troll them a little. But that would be irresponsible so of course I can't officially condone it. :Merisu:

[Loslote]

Oh, I don't know, I'd love to throw my hat in the ring to be the ghost!

P.S. I think the seer is Kath. Or, as my voice to text thought I was saying, I think the serious calf.

I'm strongly considering telling you guys things later today, but doing so only through voice to text, which will butcher everyone's names. This would give you extra fun in trying to work out what I'm saying.

Please, please do, that would be absolutely hilarious!! :D

[A Little Green]

I had a look through the thread to pick out possible dodgy interactions with Sally (though I still hope we get the voice to text reveals because that would be fabulous! :D). Again a few things that stood out -

- Pitch and Sally are visibly buddying up to each other on D2 (like, to the point that Sally literally says she can read him well because they were fellow wolves in the last game - this would be unthinkable from anyone else but I could actually see Sallywolf saying this about her fellow and cackling), and as we know, Pitch is extremely dodgy on D3.

- Boro and Sally also share a buddy moment on D2 (something about radars being calibrated), but on D3 Boro quickly becomes convinced Sally is a wolf and really pursues the lynch.

- Morsul was after Sally already on D2 (and we all remember what he did on D3), while Sally pretty consistently called him innocent.

- Lommy and Sally kind of half-heartedly half-suspect each other on D2 (though Lommy also defends Sally at one point - it's messy), then D3 Lommy is on the verge of voting for Sally, hesitates after the Seer reveal, then goes ahead and votes for her. Lots of flip-floppage here, but I'm thinking if Lommywolf had already decided to bus a fellow, she would have done so with a bit more conviction. There are also noticeable similarities between her and Pitch on the first two Days (including "reluctantly" but consistently voting for Huin twice in a row) which make me think Lommy probably isn't fellows with Pitch.

- Legate and Sally barely interact with each other, which is interesting.

Based on this, I'd say Pitch is a very likely wolf, and the other one is anybody's guess. I'm leaning towards Morsul or Legate, but Lommy wouldn't be a massive surprise either.

On another note, I will be surprised if someone other than Serious Calf joins us toNight. She seemed to know Sally was lying about the Seer reveal, and there's only one person - apart from the wolves - who could legitimately know that.

[A Little Green]

Oh, and just to make it official - not that it's necessary -

++Huin

for Ghost. I'm trying to get an earlier night tonight, so if I'm not back before toMorrow, good luck with the haunting! I'm looking forward to seeing if Morsul can come up with a ghost-themed pun of your name, too. :D

[Loslote]

++Huin

I wish you a lot of fun haunting those Living. :D

[Huinesoron]

20 minutes and I'm off to go be incessantly cryptic at the Living for a Day. You folks have fun hopefully not hanging out with the Seer. :)

~Huinespooky

[Galadriel55]

20 minutes and I'm off to go be incessantly cryptic at the Living for a Day. You folks have fun hopefully not hanging out with the Seer. :)

~Huinespooky

Happy haunting! :D

[Galadriel55]

In the morning, Barahir was nowhere to be found. Nothing remained as evidence of last Night’s struggle. Only one item was ever found to suggest that Barahir was truly killed and not merely missing: an Elven-crafted ring, with green-eyed serpents, devouring a golden crown.



The Living
Boro
Legate
Lommy
Morsul
Pitch
Soriman
**Hui - Gorlim/Ghost

The Dead
Gorlim (NPC/Ghost)
Galadriel55 (Night 1)
BlindGuardian (Night 1)
Greenie (Day 1 - Ordo)
Formendacil (Night 2 - Ordo)
**Hui (Day 2 - Ordo)
Loslote (Night 3 - Ranger)
Sally (Day 3 - Wolf)
Kath (Night 4 - Seer)


Day 4 begins. You may cast a collective vote, etc etc.

[Galadriel55]

Is this the real life?
Is this just fantasy?
Caught up in werewolf,
An escape from reality.
Open your eyes
Look out to the lake and see
They’re just poor outlaws, they need some sympathy,
Because they’re here to stay, they won’t go,
Through the high, through the low,
And the way the wind blows
That conveys the Dead vote to them,
To them.

Werewolves
Just killed the Seer,
Put a claw against her head, flicked a knife and now she’s dead.
Outlaw
Life has just begun,
But now they’ve gone and thrown your lives away.
Werewolves - oh no!
Your team may still win!
If Ghost’s not back and posting in the morrow
Carry on, catch the wolves - the only thing that matters…

Too soon Kath’s time has come
Sends shivers down the spine, serious calving all the time.
Hello, everybody -
She’s joining you!
She has left her life behind but brings you truth!
Werewolves - arrrrooooooo!
No one wants to die,
But none of you regret you’ve played at all…

She sees a little silhouetto of a man -
Who is it? Who is it? Did she dream of a werewolf?
- Barahirian Rhapsody

“If Sally is the Seer, I’ll eat my hat” -- The Actual Seer

[Galadriel55]

When a humble bard
Graced a ride along
With Lottie of Aeluin
Along came this song

From when the Ranger fought
A black-furred devil
His army of wolves
At his hooves did they revel

They came after me
With masterful deceit
Woke us from our sleep
And gnawed us with their teeth

While the devil’s claws
Minced our tender meat
And so cried the Ranger
She can’t be beat!

Toss a coin to your Ranger
O’ Valley of Plenty
O’ Valley of Plenty
Toss a coin to your Ranger
O’ Valley of Plenty

At the edge of the world
Fight the mighty pack
That bashes and breaks you
And makes you their snack

She thrust every warg
Deep into the dark
Of Sauron’s great tower
From whence they came

She fought with your pest
Got kicked in her chest
She's a friend of humanity
So give her the rest

That's my epic tale
Our Ranger is unveiled
She fought with the villains
Now pour her some ale

Toss a coin to your Ranger
O' Valley of Plenty
O' Valley of Plenty, oh
Toss a coin to your Ranger
A friend of humanity
Toss a coin to your Ranger
O' Valley of Plenty
O' Valley of Plenty, oh
Toss a coin to your Ranger
A friend of humanity
Toss a coin to your Ranger
O' Valley of Plenty
O' Valley of Plenty, a-oh
Toss a coin to your Ranger
A friend of humanity
- Toss a coin to your Ranger

“Please stop tossing coins at me,” --The Ranger.

[Formendacil]

Well, Hui looks like he's having fun--and he's got some excellent texts. Almost too excellent. To my mind, he's conveying the information extemely well. :D

Not that I necessarily want to make a tough job tougher, but... it might be worth considering for future iterations, if we want to keep upping the difficulty level, so as not to have "set texts," that a Ghost can only use a quote once per game--i.e. no repeating that extremely useful "Innocent" quote from UT.

A suggestion for the future--not now!

[satansaloser2005]

I woke up, saw Gal's posts, and thought I died and gone to heaven.

I'm here but probably not reading.

[A Little Green]

Well, Hui looks like he's having fun--and he's got some excellent texts. Almost too excellent. To my mind, he's conveying the information extemely well. He's doing great! Also looks like I was right about Morsul immediately taking it upon himself to come up with a nickname for him :D

[Kath]

Popping in but won't be back til after work. Is Hui allowed to read in here today? Cause Pitch is not a wolf. Dreamt him last Night. :(

[satansaloser2005]

Popping in but won't be back til after work. Is Hui allowed to read in here today? Cause Pitch is not a wolf. Dreamt him last Night. :(

I don't rightly remember right now, but I sure hope not! :smokin:

[A Little Green]

Is Hui allowed to read in here today? Cause Pitch is not a wolf. Dreamt him last Night. I don't think he is :( Wow, I think we just lost the game. Out of interest, who were your other dreams?

(Also, I'm getting paranoid and starting to think that Boro is a mastermind wolf.)

[satansaloser2005]

Bahahahahaha! This is amazing. Thank you for your service, Serious Calf.

[Loslote]

Ohhhh, shoot. It seemed like he was setting up the fake Seer reveal so aggressively, I was sure he was a wolf. :eek: We now know that neither Legate nor Lommy are the Seer, so it could be one or both of them. Boro just comes across *so* innocent, and Morsul was so quick to jump on Sally over Pitch, that I'm almost guessing it's the two Finns after all. :o

[Loslote]

On the other hand, the wolves haven't jumped on that Pitch vote yet, so maybe Morsul *is* a wolf? Because otherwise, the wolves would have that one wrong innocent vote they need to make sure they win toDay...

[satansaloser2005]

GO TO BED, POP! :rolleyes:

❤️

[satansaloser2005]

More chaos! MORE!

[A Little Green]

More chaos! MORE!This game is either a trainwreck or a Greek tragedy. I'm still trying to decide which. :rolleyes:

[Galadriel55]

This game is either a trainwreck or a Greek tragedy. I'm still trying to decide which. :rolleyes:

Indeed, the dramatic irony is strong toDay. Hamlet? It even has a ghost!

[Kath]

Still popping sorry! Dreams were:

Night 1 - Greenie - innocent
Night 2 - Sally - wolf
Night 3 - Boro - innocent
Night 4 - Pitch - innocent

[satansaloser2005]

Still popping sorry! Dreams were:

Night 1 - Greenie - innocent
Night 2 - Sally - wolf
Night 3 - Boro - innocent
Night 4 - Pitch - innocent

Rude. ❤️

[Kath]

Mostly here now.


So that's two wolves among Morsul, Lommy, Pitch, Boro, and Legate. Soriman and Kath are innocent. That's good, that narrows it down a bit.

I think we should definitely do another Ghost toMorrow - we can't afford not to, given that we basically have two known innocents.
Not quite sure how all this works, but if we haven't already lost toDay, then it's got to be out of Morsul, Lommy, Legate due to my dreams.

I'm glad you are all about as clueless as I was then! :D I seem to have done a brilliant job of spotting innocents but not much else.

[A Little Green]

Not quite sure how all this works, but if we haven't already lost toDay, then it's got to be out of Morsul, Lommy, Legate due to my dreams.

I'm glad you are all about as clueless as I was then! :D I seem to have done a brilliant job of spotting innocents but not much else.You did get one wolf, that's something :D

I think I'll skip the voting again toDay, as I'd have to vote now and I have a feeling there might be a few more Hamlet moments in store for us later on. At this point, I think Lommy, Legate and Morsul are all creepy so I'm happy for us to go for any of them. (I'm starting to believe our remaining wolves are Lommy and Legate, which would mean I can never trust my family again. :eek:)

[Formendacil]

I'll be around till the deadline, so if we need to break any ties (i.e. to save Boro or--even more likely--Pitch), I'm here.

Of course, with Sallyghostwolf around, we'll need more than just my vote--last thing we want is a one/one tie and she voted first on a technicality. Lottie? I know it'd be late for Kath--doubly so for Greenie.

[Loslote]

Yes, I'll be here and able to vote! It seems like Lommy and Legate are trying to push for Boro to be the other horse in the race, so I don't know how much help we can be. Better hope for a last minute bandwagon another direction. :eek:

[Kath]

If Form and Lottie you're willing and able to be there at deadline to make a hopeful attempt at saving us I'd be grateful. I've been up too late with this game already after sally's near successful ploy the other Day! :D

[Loslote]

I feel like Lommy is taunting us...if she actually does vote Legate, that might tell us it's a Morsul-Legate pack, otherwise I feel like she's toying with our poor dead hears. :p

[Loslote]

She did it!! We have a chance! :D :D :D

[Formendacil]

Definitely. If it comes down to breaking a Legate/Boro tie, we save the Known Innocent.

[satansaloser2005]

For what it's worth, I am in no shape right now to scheme or plot. You have nothing to worry about from me. I am, however, watching this entire mess with the utmost attention.

[Loslote]

There are two wolves among Lommy, Legate, and Morsul. If we can take a shot at any one of them, we have 66% odds at hitting a wolf. Depending on if the innocents give us a chance at the tiebreaker, we might be able to pull this one off.

[Loslote]

Pitch and Legate are tied at two each, with Soriman and Boro left to vote. Soriman could go either way, but will probably vote Pitch, so we just have to hope Boro votes for Legate to give us the power to break the tie. :eek:

[Formendacil]

If Soro no-votes and Boro votes wrong, we're in trouble.

[Formendacil]

Well, that was a turn...

Pitch got there first, right and we KNOW he's innocent... so... Legate?

[Loslote]

Morsul - Pitch
Lommy - Legate
Legate - Pitch
Pitch - Legate
Boro - Lommy

Of these, which are the votes by possible wolves? Morsul voted for innocent Pitch. Lommy split the vote, adding possible wolf Legate, and Legate voted for innocent Pitch to save himself. Only one of these could be wolf-on-wolf, namely, Lommy voting for Legate, and Lommy simply didn't need to do that if they were packmates. If they are *not* packmates, that makes Morsul a wolf by default. Morsul has been pushing against the Pitch wagon now, and I'm not sure what that means. Is Legate the innocent of the three? But then did Lommy not vote for innocent Pitch if she was a wolf? :mad:

If Soriman votes Pitch, we have to vote Legate. If he doesn't vote at all, we could vote Lommy, and our vote would be the tiebreaker. This is tense. :o

[Loslote]

Pitch just asked Soriman to vote Lommy and leave it up to us. So, what do you say, Form? Legate or Lommy?

[Formendacil]

I'm afraid of getting it too close to the wire and I have NO read on Soro's reliability. I'll let you make the choice: Lommy or Legate.

[Loslote]

This is so stressful. :o If one of Legate and Lommy is innocent, which is the only way our choice could cost us the game, then that means they're packmates with Morsul. Morsul is currently pushing to let the Dead decide - because he thinks the Dead will vote for Pitch? Lommy added Legate to the board, and Boro added Lommy...and Boro is more trustworthy than Lommy, simply because we know for a fact Boro at least isn't voting an innocent on purpose... :confused:

[Formendacil]

That doesn't sound like a bad plan. I mean they would be making their decision based on more information than we have. Even though they may be fallible, it would be an interesting way to end it.

For love of the Witch-king, Boro!

[Formendacil]

This is so stressful. :o If one of Legate and Lommy is innocent, which is the only way our choice could cost us the game, then that means they're packmates with Morsul. Morsul is currently pushing to let the Dead decide - because he thinks the Dead will vote for Pitch? Lommy added Legate to the board, and Boro added Lommy...and Boro is more trustworthy than Lommy, simply because we know for a fact Boro at least isn't voting an innocent on purpose... :confused:

Yeah, I think they think we'll vote Pitch. Joke's on them, though, because knowing an innocent makes this confusing...

[Loslote]

Yeah, I think they think we'll vote Pitch. Joke's on them, though, because knowing an innocent makes this confusing...

It sure is!! :eek:

If Morsul is pushing for the Dead because he thinks it's the more likely way to get Pitch over Legate, maybe that means they are packmates??

[Formendacil]

It might be the best thing we have to go off.

Sally's comparative silence is actually WORSE than trying to fool us toDay.

[Loslote]

Vote Legate then? I have both votes cued up, ready to press send. :o

[Formendacil]

I almost think Lommy, because though she and Morsul have traded lots of barbs over his "unthinking" trigger-voting, that ALMOST seems staged to me... but he and Legate haven't really gone head-to-head...

[Formendacil]

Alea iacta est!

Morsul's last has convinced me...

++Legate

[Loslote]

If Morsul is innocent, it doesn't matter which we choose. It only matters if he's a wolf. This is so convoluted. :confused:

[Loslote]

++Legate

I hope to see you all on the other side. :eek:

[Formendacil]

If Morsul is innocent, it doesn't matter which we choose. It only matters if he's a wolf. This is so convoluted. :confused:

Gah! You're right about that--I have this whole thing backwards "if X is a wolf then Y is an ordo, but if Z is an ordo then P can only be a wolf on the half-moon..."

Still, Legate FEELS right(er). Barely.

[Loslote]

I am sitting on pins and needles here waiting for the narration. :eek: Legate, welcome to the Dead Thread, really hope you're a wolf!

[Huinesoron]

Well done, Deaduns! (Are we still Cuties if we're not the Quarantine Thread?) I'm excited to find out in the morning what happened on this side of reality!

hS, allowed actual words again :D

[Formendacil]

By Manwë's blue nether-regions! That was a tense Day-end!

Legate, I am delighted you are a Wolf.

Hui, welcome back to the Departed!

[Loslote]

YES! The game continues!! :D

It's now a 50-50 shot between Morsul and Lommy, and depending on the Night kill and on the information we get from our Moddess, we might be able to figure out which one of them it is. We might actually pull this one out, friends!

Edit: xed with Huin and Form - welcome back, Huin!! Excellent job haunting! :D

[Formendacil]

I am mildly petrified of a Lommy-wolf killing Boro overNight and an Ordo-Morsul seeing Pitch's continued life as a clear sign of Wolvishness--get [b]Soro[b] to go along (he does, after all, seem to care a bit more about being mod-fired for not voting than for actually not voting...) and you've got a Dead-proof vote for a Known Innocent.

...but all that's for later! For now, we "live" to fight another day.

[Galadriel55]

The Living
Boro
Lommy
Morsul
Pitch
Soriman

The Dead
Gorlim (NPC/Ghost)
Galadriel55 (Night 1)
BlindGuardian (Night 1)
Greenie (Day 1 - Ordo)
Formendacil (Night 2 - Ordo)
Hui (Day 2 - Ordo)
Loslote (Night 3 - Ranger)
Sally (Day 3 - Wolf)
Kath (Night 4 - Seer)
Legate (Day 4 - Wolf)

Night 5 begins.

Legate, welcome to the DT! You and sally will receive an infodrop selection when BG and I find something eligible. This is getting harder and harder to do. Please be patient with me, I apologize for the delay.

[satansaloser2005]

Well, hells. Welcome to the party, brother sestra.

[satansaloser2005]

It might be the best thing we have to go off.

Sally's comparative silence is actually WORSE than trying to fool us toDay.

I'm glad it's driving you insane, because I've been so out of it today I am barely keeping up with the thread. Glad to be of disservice. :smokin:

[Blind Guardian]

In accordance with what was discussed prior to the start of the game, we don't believe that the DT should function as a Seer. Therefore, no one player's role should be given with certainty. Furthermore, as mods, we don't feel it is fair to give free information that can override all the player's actions, as that will invalidate the playing and break the game. This 50/50 scenario is something that should have been foreseen but wasn't, and for next games some sort of caveat should be made for this situation. But for now, please accept our apologies and this infodrop. While redundant, we hope that it will still point out a different perspective to you.

We are aware that you may be upset about this change and we are prepared to listen to any complaints you may have. Therefore, we have prepared a complaint box (https://youtu.be/D68-vIptwSU) for your enjoyment. We hope that this is satisfactory.

There have only been 3 wolf-on-wolf votes in the game.

[Loslote]

That’s very fair, and I wondered if you might come to that decision! I, for one, am not going to complain. I think the Ghost and infodump mechanics have been great, and I especially like that the Living have one perspective and set of information, the Dead Thread has another, and the Ghost has a third, which is basically an outdated version of the Dead Thread perspective. It makes for a very fun game with high tensions and lots of excitement. :D

[A Little Green]

Ooooh, well done Form and Lottie! :smokin: So we're down to Lommy or Morsul for the last wolf. I'm tempted to say that if it's Lommy she deserves to win. She could just as well have used the Confused Lommy -act to justify a vote for Pitch instead of throwing in a fellow who had avoided more or less all scrutiny until then. (I don't think anyone had voted for Legate all game until then. It was getting a bit creepy, actually.)

I am mildly petrified of a Lommy-wolf killing Boro overNight and an Ordo-Morsul seeing Pitch's continued life as a clear sign of Wolvishness--get [b]Soro[b] to go along (he does, after all, seem to care a bit more about being mod-fired for not voting than for actually not voting...) and you've got a Dead-proof vote for a Known Innocent.That's a terrifying possibility. It'll be interesting to see whether the last wolf will go the obvious route and kill Soriman as a more or less known innocent, or do something else.

There have only been 3 wolf-on-wolf votes in the game.I'm aware this doesn't actually give us anything definite, but I did go back through the votes anyway. If the last wolf is Lommy, the 3 wolf-on-wolf votes would be Legate>Sally (D3), Lommy>Sally (D3) and Lommy>Legate (D4). If the wolf is Morsul, they would be Legate>Sally (D3), Morsul>Sally (D2) and Morsul>Sally (D3).

As for toMorrow - Kath, would you like to go back as Ghost yourself and tell them about Boro and Pitch? Or does someone else want to do it?

[Huinesoron]

Well, Hui looks like he's having fun--and he's got some excellent texts. Almost too excellent. To my mind, he's conveying the information extemely well. :D

Not that I necessarily want to make a tough job tougher, but... it might be worth considering for future iterations, if we want to keep upping the difficulty level, so as not to have "set texts," that a Ghost can only use a quote once per game--i.e. no repeating that extremely useful "Innocent" quote from UT.

A suggestion for the future--not now!

I absolutely agree with this, and have in fact named my file of quotes/posts "Breaking the Ghost over My Knee". This is why I argued for some limits on the role - cutting it down to one quote per post or giving a posts-per-day/posts-per-hour limit would seriously reduce the ability to do this sort of thing. No reusing quotes is also good (and would make it very hard to say "innocent" reliably, or to talk about "Iluvatar" very much).

The biggest realisation I had was that I could bracket multiple name-quotes with repeats of the information about them. It's very hard to misunderstand "three quotes saying 'pitch' with 'we don't know for sure' on either side". :D (I was perversely glad not to have to clue Kath, though; that was definitely my weakest prospective post.)

Popping in but won't be back til after work. Is Hui allowed to read in here today? Cause Pitch is not a wolf. Dreamt him last Night.

I noticed mention of this last night when I checked in, and it's hilarious. ^_^ There's me trying to come up with ways to explain why we suspect him, and you lot all know he di'n't do it!

Still popping sorry! Dreams were:

Night 1 - Greenie - innocent
Night 2 - Sally - wolf
Night 3 - Boro - innocent
Night 4 - Pitch - innocent

In accordance with what was discussed prior to the start of the game, we don't believe that the DT should function as a Seer. Therefore, no one player's role should be given with certainty. Furthermore, as mods, we don't feel it is fair to give free information that can override all the player's actions, as that will invalidate the playing and break the game. This 50/50 scenario is something that should have been foreseen but wasn't, and for next games some sort of caveat should be made for this situation. But for now, please accept our apologies and this infodrop. While redundant, we hope that it will still point out a different perspective to you.

We are aware that you may be upset about this change and we are prepared to listen to any complaints you may have. Therefore, we have prepared a complaint box (https://youtu.be/D68-vIptwSU) for your enjoyment. We hope that this is satisfactory.

There have only been 3 wolf-on-wolf votes in the game.

This is entirely fair. :) Going back for a final Things We Know:

A) This information all used up.

B) This information all used up.

C) This information all used up.

D) The last wolf can be found among Boro, Pitch, Lommy, and Morsul .

E) Soriman is innocent.

F) Boro and Pitch are innocent.

G) Lommy or Morsul is the last Wolf.

H) When not bussing Sally, the wolves all love each other very much. ^_~

hS

[Huinesoron]

As for toMorrow - Kath, would you like to go back as Ghost yourself and tell them about Boro and Pitch? Or does someone else want to do it?

I think it would be very fitting for the Seer to return as our final Ghost, but I'm not sure what Kath's timings are like? I think we need a Ghost-drop right after DL, because otherwise an innocent Morsul could pull an early-day Pitch vote again and throw everything to the winds.

I wonder who we'll see toMorrow... objectively the last wolf should kill Soriman, because a Known Innocent in the final 4 is a terrible thing. But when that innocent has such a low post-count, and has in fact missed two votes, it might be better to instead target someone you think is likely to out you/someone to misdirect suspicion.

It would be hilarious if Wolflomien killed Morsordo to try and get people to vote Innopitch. :D

~

I scribbled some notes in the haze of yesterDay evening, and it looks like I found Lommy's interactions with the Ghost somewhat suspect.

I don't understand Hui's posting.

...

I would like to know how they're sure they know, but I guess I'll just have to take a leap of faith.

Yes, I agree toDay's messages have been clear.

...

Or does it mean he is not hostile to me or Morsul (since we're the ones with Sindarin usernames) and the dead think we're all innocent? Or even know something?

1) The second post flatly contradicts the opening of the first on whether she could understand my posts.

2) In the first, she tried to tempt me into explaining how we know Soriman is innocent. That would be a great way to get a confusing Ghost post that she could use to sow more confusion in the camp.

3) Seeing a quote that says 'innocent' in the middle, and trying to parse a mention of Elves as being specifically about the players with Sindarin names is just... well, a huge stretch, and I don't think very likely to do in good faith. Looking at my opening posts and thinking I'd throw in two more Known Innocents ("or even know something?") in an incredibly oblique couple of words is... nah.

Of course, I also scribbled about Lommy and Pitch working together to get Boro and Legate to turn on each other or Morsul, so that's the value of my thoughts. :)

hS

[satansaloser2005]

I got up to get more meds, and I come back to people actually trying to catch wolves? What is this nonsense?

[Huinesoron]

I got up to get more meds, and I come back to people actually trying to catch wolves? What is this nonsense?

You're absolutely right. :( The important thing is how heartless those other wolves were in voting for your demise when you never even dreamed of doing the same thing to them. I think you should sit down and tell us all about how Legate and wossname mistreated you; you'll find us a very attentive audience.

hS

[satansaloser2005]

Nice try, Huey. :Merisu:

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Oh hello there... who would have known Halls of Mandos are full of meat!


Legate, I am delighted you are a Wolf.

The pleasure's all mine, I assure thee.

Well, hells. Welcome to the party, brother sestra.
Thank you, thank you, Sestra Wolfcake. Glad to see you are dead and well. Let us grab some popcorn and see how this unfolds.

[A Little Green]

I wonder who we'll see toMorrow... objectively the last wolf should kill Soriman, because a Known Innocent in the final 4 is a terrible thing. But when that innocent has such a low post-count, and has in fact missed two votes, it might be better to instead target someone you think is likely to out you/someone to misdirect suspicion.

It would be hilarious if Wolflomien killed Morsordo to try and get people to vote Innopitch.That would be such a great ending! Or, for that matter, Morswolf offing Lommy thinking she'll look too innocent after her Legate vote :D Seriously though, I hadn't thought of this before but it might actually work in our favour that the village didn't get Kath's information already yesterDay. This way whichever of them is the wolf has to make toNight's pick without knowing that it's going to be just between them and one other toMorrow.
Let us grab some popcorn and see how this unfolds.I agree with Legate (even if I haven't quite forgiven him for getting me lynched on Day 1 :p). This is going to be very entertaining, whichever way it ends.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

I agree with Legate (even if I haven't quite forgiven him for getting me lynched on Day 1 :p).

Ah, surely you can forgive me such a minor trespass. After all, I had to offer an alternative to lynching an innocent Hui - surely you perceive that that's a charitable deed? And think how much good it did - it gave the good fellow an entire full Day of life! Is that not fully worth a little (green) personal sacrifice? :p

[Kath]

Hi all! Welcome Legate and welcome back Hui. :)

Form and Lottie well done on that save yesterDay. It was seriously down to the wire!

I would love to be the Ghost as it looks like so much fun, but it's just not feasible for me I'm afraid due to my timings as someone said so I will bow out gracefully.

And yes, if Lommy/Morsul manage to kill the other suspect then ... :smokin:

[Huinesoron]

I'd really like someone new to be Ghost, but if nobody is able I can drop a set of Iluvatar-Innocent posts at DL (sleep is for the weak). But I'd really rather someone else did it. :)

hS

[Formendacil]

I'd really like someone new to be Ghost, but if nobody is able I can drop a set of Iluvatar-Innocent posts at DL (sleep is for the weak). But I'd really rather someone else did it. :)

hS

I'm with Hui in both being able and wanting someone new to do it. Since we DON'T want the Wolves--*looks scoldingly at the Wolves* and if we spare the earlier-to-bed players... Lottie? Want a go?

[satansaloser2005]

Pick me! Pick me! I'll do a good job, I swear!

[Loslote]

I can do it if there isn't a high demand for the position. I'll start getting some quotes ready. ;)

[Kath]

Thank you for volunteering Lottie! Do we need to vote for who is going to be the Ghost?

[Huinesoron]

Yes we do, and thherefore:

++LOSLOTE

Thanks for volunteering! Hope you have fun. :)

hS

[Loslote]

Thank you, thank you! I will endeavor to haunt to the standards of those who have gone before me. :D

++Ghostlote

[Kath]

++LOTTIE

Have fun with it! :)

[satansaloser2005]

++Pop for representative

[Formendacil]

++Loslote

:D

[A Little Green]

++Lottie

I do think it's fitting that the Ranger be our last Ghost since the Seer can't! Go save the village <3

[Huinesoron]

I do think it's fitting that the Ranger be our last Ghost since the Seer can't! Go save the village <3

I hadn't even realised; that's beautifully appropriate.

Musings on the Ghost... reiterating Soriman's innocence and then using it as a pattern for the other two (or however many are left) would be a great way to prevent confusion over your meaning. I was going to use my Soriman innocent-post as a pattern for my Kath one, since her name is so much harder to clue.

I spotted a whole bunch of Seer quotes when I was skimming for phrases, but don't think I wrote any of them down. :rolleyes:

And do have fun! I didn't play about much as the Ghost, but on this final Day you can hopefully find ways to make it fun. :)

hS

[Formendacil]

If it looks like they're messing things up beyond saving, I expect to see the Doom of Mandos at some point. :p

[satansaloser2005]

The suspense is absolutely horrifying.

[Galadriel55]

"Well, finally they decided to come for me in the Night!" said Boro. "I have been trying so hard to get their attention!"





The Living
Lommy
Morsul
Pitch
Soriman
***Loslote - Gorlim/Ghost

The Dead
Gorlim (NPC/Ghost)
Galadriel55 (Night 1)
BlindGuardian (Night 1)
Greenie (Day 1 - Ordo)
Formendacil (Night 2 - Ordo)
Hui (Day 2 - Ordo)
***Loslote (Night 3 - Ranger)
Sally (Day 3 - Wolf)
Kath (Night 4 - Seer)
Legate (Day 4 - Wolf)
Boro (Night 5 - Ordo)


Day 5 begins.
(And may the odds be ever in your favour?)

[Boromir88]

Oh, thank you last wolfie, I was not looking forward to defend myself today AND try to decide who you are between Morsul, Lommy or Pitch. Although based on yesterday we may very well have to decide it here!


I'm more worried that Legate and Pitch are both innocent.

:rolleyes:

I suspect I was annoying enough with figuring out the Ghost clues and so go Lottie! Go!

What have I missed? Or are sally and Legate going to make me read 6 pages?

[satansaloser2005]

Welcome, my prince. We've missed you, and we're hungry.

[Formendacil]

What have I missed? Or are sally and Legate going to make me read 6 pages?

What--you don't want to read the six pages of eloquence that we, the longest-tenured of the Dead, have produced?

...most notably the flurry around yesterday's deadline when, on my phone going for a walk with my preschooler, I'm scrambling without bolding anything to reply? True literature for the ages.

[Formendacil]

*dead eyebrows twitch as Morsul votes seven minutes into the Day, if the Dead even have eyebrows*

Just tell me, Sally and Legate if he's a part of your master plan.

[satansaloser2005]

*dead eyebrows twitch as Morsul votes seven minutes into the Day, if the Dead even have eyebrows*

Just tell me, Sally and Legate if he's a part of your master plan.

Regardless of his role, he would never be part of any of my master plans.

[Boromir88]

Welcome, my prince. We've missed you, and we're hungry.

I'm afraid I appear to not have a corporeal form anymore. Take it up with whoever you last packmate is, I think they stuffed their face.

*dead eyebrows twitch as Morsul votes seven minutes into the Day, if the Dead even have eyebrows*

Just tell me, Sally and Legate if he's a part of your master plan.

He's nothing if not consistent.

[Boromir88]

Oh those are fantastic quotes. All 3 ghosts were well selected and get the "players of the game" for me...We'd be stumbling around in total darkness without you.

[A Little Green]

Oh those are fantastic quotes. All 3 ghosts were well selected and get the "players of the game" for me... Seconded! :)

*dead eyebrows twitch as Morsul votes seven minutes into the Day, if the Dead even have eyebrows*It made me laugh, though this once, I do get it. I mean, regardless of his role, he's not going to self-vote, is he? Even so, if I had to guess right now, my money would be on him being our last wolf - not because of that vote, but because of the posts that accompanied it. Then again, I don't know if there's a non-fishy way of saying "I'm innocent, this other person is a wolf trying to lead you astray, don't vote for me" - we'll see how guilty Lommy looks when she turns up and says the exact same thing :rolleyes:

Just to state the obvious, Morsul and Lommy will have to vote for each other toDay, which leaves it down to Pitch, Soriman and us. If Pitch and Soriman vote for the same person, our vote doesn't matter. If they vote for different people (or if Soriman doesn't show), we decide the lynch. :eek:

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Oh those are fantastic quotes. All 3 ghosts were well selected and get the "players of the game" for me...We'd be stumbling around in total darkness without you.

Ghosts have certainly been absolutely amazing with all the quotes. What I said on the Living thread was genuine - it literally filled me with joy to see and read that when they appeared. But I was also honest when I said that I suck at deciphering them when it was about something more vague.

My absolutely favourite was Hui's use of the word "pitch" (well, that and the "Saruman, Saruman!" parts).

[Huinesoron]

So did Pitch not have time to read/process LostLottie's "Pitch is innocent [= there are only two options]" posting, or is his suspicion of Morsul for voting quickly an attempt to draw a potential Lommywolf into unreasonable agreement with him?

hS

[Boromir88]

Ghosts have certainly been absolutely amazing with all the quotes. What I said on the Living thread was genuine - it literally filled me with joy to see and read that when they appeared. But I was also honest when I said that I suck at deciphering them when it was about something more vague.

My absolutely favourite was Hui's use of the word "pitch" (well, that and the "Saruman, Saruman!" parts).

Yes I think I only got Form's first one because of the phrases that made it into a riddle, once he had to use full sentences I was lost on the second one. Now reading the thread and seeing the mention of gardener (Lottie) and "lots or none at all" it was a very clever quote to say Lottie was the only gifted among Morsul, sally, Pitch or myself.

And sorry for the headaches Greenie and Huey! :p I believed Pitch was the seer for Day 1 and 2, and on Day 3 I realized that didn't make sense, and I took Kath's hilarious assessment of what I was doing on Day 2 as she was the seer and therefor I needed to relax. So, I was hoping to bait sally or Pitch into a fake-Seer reveal, which then I would jump on. I wouldn't have done an ordo-seer claim I'm not that crazy when I don't know anything. Unfortunately, sally just had to do it when I was very busy that day and Kath had to come out forcefully to secure sally's lynch. Perhaps if I was there to vote for sally almost immediately it would have ended differently. Evil evil sally :p (glad your surgery went well! <3)

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Unfortunately, sally just had to do it when I was very busy that day and Kath had to come out forcefully to secure sally's lynch. Perhaps if I was there to vote for sally almost immediately it would have ended differently. Evil evil sally :p (glad your surgery went well! <3)

Yes, I was very proud of our sister Wolfcake there. She certainly made sure to go with a blast! :cool:

[A Little Green]

This is pure speculation, but I have to say that so far Lommy's reaction to the situation looks more convincingly innocent than Morsul's. He is basically trying to list all the reasons why his behaviour looks innocent (which an actual innocent has no cause to think about in that amount of detail), which is somewhat eyebrow-raising. At the same time though, I'm aware this could just be a question of playing style and nothing to do with actual innocence or guilt. It's probably a decade since I last played with Morsul (:eek:) so I don't really remember if he does this when he's innocent too!

Anyway, unless things look significantly clearer in a few hours, it might be safest if I abstain from voting again. I don't want to risk an early, uninformed vote for the wrong person at this stage. There should still be plenty of us nice dead people to counteract the two

[A Little Green]

Ummm, apparently you can accidentally hit Submit Reply while halfway through a sentence. :rolleyes: What I meant to say was, there should still be plenty of us nice dead people to counteract the two obviously evil and untrustworthy ones. :Merisu:

[satansaloser2005]

Looks like he might get away with this....

[Boromir88]

I'll be here to vote until the very end, but I'm not sure you want that Greenie. I honestly am hoping Soriman and Pitch vote for the same person, if it's the wolf fantastic, but if not well at least it went down to the very end and kudos to the final wolf.

The 2 most suspicious things I've seen this game:

1. Legate seemingly attaching his suspicions to "Huey + 1" 2 days in a row. I backed off on Day 3 with the information that there had to be at least 1 wolf in "Morsul, sally, and Pitch." Then Day 4 his Kath analysis I didn't catch any hints of trying to steer guilt or innocence towards any one person or another. I thought it was likely Kath had dreamed of me the night before, because of her post the next day, but I wasn't at all going to start harping on that, because that's exactly what I would have done if I was a wolf. :p

2. Lommy's "let's lynch Hui to find out what Boro and Legate are up to," which then when she voted for Legate, I thought "ok this is almost the same, and now fantastic Legate and Pitch are probably ordos which means Lommy and Morsul successfully put up 2 innocents to lynch."

But then it turns out Legate's a wolf so now was Morsul's push towards "let the dead decide" towards the end on the belief that you still would have voted for Pitch and Lommy's vote for Legate threw him off?

The only way I can think of for Lommy to do a wolf-on-wolf vote is if she expected to be the one lynched yesterday, instead of Legate, which I can see because I think Pitch would have voted for her if he wasn't just trying to save himself, and she may have assumed I was going to be gunning after her.

But this is all messed up because I'm just enamored that she's arguing with a dead person (me) as if she doesn't argue with herself enough as it is. :rolleyes:

[Huinesoron]

. I honestly am hoping Soriman and Pitch vote for the same person, if it's the wolf fantastic, but if not well at least it went down to the very end and kudos to the final wolf.

Hear hear. I don't want the Dead to decide the game. :(


2. Lommy's "let's lynch Hui to find out what Boro and Legate are up to," which then when she voted for Legate, I thought "ok this is almost the same, and now fantastic Legate and Pitch are probably ordos which means Lommy and Morsul successfully put up 2 innocents to lynch."

I find the way she keeps repeating that she did that, and that it didn't work, to be... not even suspicious necessarily, but /weird/.


But then it turns out Legate's a wolf so now was Morsul's push towards "let the dead decide" towards the end on the belief that you still would have voted for Pitch and Lommy's vote for Legate threw him off?

That "get Lommy up to two and let the dead decide", to Soriman, actually looks like a masterstroke. The voting rules mean that the Dead got to decide /whatever/ happened - if everyone was at 2 or less whoever they voted for would be lynched, and if Legate or Pitch got a third vote, they could still gainsay it.

So from Morsul, the 'vote Lommy to make it even' concept is a perfect way to stop Soriman from voting Morsul - which would have let the Dead lynch him!

Except... it's clear there was a lot of confusion over the voting rules, because Pitch said the same thing. So it could just be an honest mistake by Morsul.

Re: Lommy voting for Legate - agreed that's not a great strategy for a wolf pair at endgame, but Pitch already had a vote on him, and the suspicion of the Dead (well, of the Ghost). She could have been hoping that it would come down to a tie, and the Dead would vote for Pitch - and if that didn't happen, she would have great cover for the last Day, because she just killed her packmate.

Legate voted Pitch, right? So either a tie or a straight Pitch-vote was pretty decent odds. It would have been easy to plan "I'll vote you, you join the strongest bandwagon" the Night before.

hS

[Huinesoron]

I still think Lottie saying "Go not to the Elves for counsel, for they will say both yes and no" and "Advice is a dangerous gift, even from the wise to the wise" mean that she/ the dead don't have an opinion she's comfortable stating. (Which btw I still think is not very helpful, because it's literally a matter of life and death toDay.)

I mean we've cleared two of the four survivors, you lot have to do something to earn your princely salaries.

Besides, given that "here are two quotes, one contains 'morsel' and the other 'lomin'" has been interpreted as "Morsul is the Black Death", I'm pretty sure the Ghost trying to share a suspicion would be taken and twisted into a pretzel.

Honestly, this constant effort to prod the Ghost into posting something complicated and easy to misunderstand (why Soriman is confirmed innocent, who the Dead are inclined to suspect) is the thing that makes me most suspicious of Lommy. It seems like such a perfect Wolf play - to be able to point at a vague Ghostpost and say 'don't listen to me, listen to the unquiet dead!'.

Pitch if you trust me as innocent and i'm correct in my understanding we could tie up the votes and leave it up to the dead.

-_-

(It's going to happen. I can sense it.)

hS

[satansaloser2005]

This is enjoyable. :smokin:

[Boromir88]

Huey has good points about Lommy's posts today.

(And I'm not gonna be too mad if you let Morsul win, let's face it, he's done one hell of a job.)

And same goes for Lommy, if you're the last wolf!
!

[A Little Green]

But this is all messed up because I'm just enamored that she's arguing with a dead person (me) as if she doesn't argue with herself enough as it is.That's the Lommy we all know and love. :p

Besides, given that "here are two quotes, one contains 'morsel' and the other 'lomin'" has been interpreted as "Morsul is the Black Death", I'm pretty sure the Ghost trying to share a suspicion would be taken and twisted into a pretzel.It's starting to resemble a very elaborate round of Paper Telephone.

I notice that Sally is trying to muddy the waters, but it's probably wisest to ignore her (as she'd be just as likely to bluff as to double-bluff and it's giving me a headache). I still think a Morswolf would make more sense than a Lomwolf, but since I'm generally clueless about Morsul and notoriously bad at reading Lommy (which is ironic, I know), I don't know to what extent I should be trusted with this. In fact, I'm quite happy to be going to sleep now and leaving it into your capable hands. :Merisu: I also agree with Boro that whoever wins will have thoroughly earned it.

Goodnight, and see you all on the other side :smokin:

[Huinesoron]

Goodnight, and see you all on the other side :smokin:

Er.

With Greenie gone and Lottie haunting, there are now six people in the Dead Thread.

First to three votes here gets our vote among the Living.

There are two dead wolves who know who to vote for, and will jump on the first wrong vote here.

We are not supposed to have to play Deadline Chicken after we die!

hS

[Blind Guardian]

I am loving this :D

[Formendacil]

Er.

With Greenie gone and Lottie haunting, there are now six people in the Dead Thread.

First to three votes here gets our vote among the Living.

There are two dead wolves who know who to vote for, and will jump on the first wrong vote here.

We are not supposed to have to play Deadline Chicken after we die!

hS

What if we all just... don't?

I mean, unless it becomes clear in the next (*looks at clock*) two hours, we're clueless as to whether it's Morsul or Lommy--I go back and forth, myself. What if we just let the Living decide?

Obviously, it the Wolves post something in the waning minutes, we should probably jump on that, but otherwise?

[Formendacil]

What if we all just... don't?

I mean, unless it becomes clear in the next (*looks at clock*) two hours, we're clueless as to whether it's Morsul or Lommy--I go back and forth, myself. What if we just let the Living decide?

Obviously, it the Wolves post something in the waning minutes, we should probably jump on that, but otherwise?

Ugh, unmentioned excrement, I may have realised that, if we did this, and the Wolves voted for their fellow in the last moment and we all voted the anti-Wolf, the Dead would end up lynching an Ordo.

So while the Village could take it out of our hands, I suppose we do have to commit. Personally, I'm leaning Morsul by about three microns.

[A Little Green]

Er.

With Greenie gone and Lottie haunting, there are now six people in the Dead Thread.

First to three votes here gets our vote among the Living.

There are two dead wolves who know who to vote for, and will jump on the first wrong vote here.

We are not supposed to have to play Deadline Chicken after we die!

hS
What if we all just... don't?

I mean, unless it becomes clear in the next (*looks at clock*) two hours, we're clueless as to whether it's Morsul or Lommy--I go back and forth, myself. What if we just let the Living decide?

Obviously, it the Wolves post something in the waning minutes, we should probably jump on that, but otherwise? I know I said I was going to bed, but I hadn't fully considered the terrifying prospect of Deadline Chicken. :eek: My math is terrible, but would it help if I took the plunge and voted for one of them at random? That way, if wolves pile on it, there would definitely be enough of us left to counter-pile on the other. Or does it just make it easier for the wolves to do their wolfy thing if I accidentally give them a one-vote head start? Also, it would mean that if you later decided that the wiser choice would have been to abstain, that choice is no longer available because I'll have happily voted and gone to bed already. My brain is all mushy at this hour so if someone has a clear idea of what we should do, I'd be grateful to hear it asap :D

[Huinesoron]

What if we all just... don't?

I mean, unless it becomes clear in the next (*looks at clock*) two hours, we're clueless as to whether it's Morsul or Lommy--I go back and forth, myself. What if we just let the Living decide?

If Soriman or Pitch would JUST VOTE ALREADY we could lock in their "first to tie" by voting with the first voter.

But that would be actively blindly supporting them, rather than just leaving them to it.


So while the Village could take it out of our hands, I suppose we do have to commit. Personally, I'm leaning Morsul by about three microns.

That's two of you who've said that, I think... why Morsul? (Asking because I know I've been focusing overmuch on Lommy and don't have a good read on Morsul)

hS

[A Little Green]

Ugh, unmentioned excrement, I may have realised that, if we did this, and the Wolves voted for their fellow in the last moment and we all voted the anti-Wolf, the Dead would end up lynching an Ordo.

So while the Village could take it out of our hands, I suppose we do have to commit. Personally, I'm leaning Morsul by about three microns. Oh wow. I hadn't even thought of that! :eek: You're probably right about us having to do something. I'm also leaning Morsul, but I'm by no means confident about it.

[Huinesoron]

I know I said I was going to bed, but I hadn't fully considered the terrifying prospect of Deadline Chicken. :eek: My math is terrible, but would it help if I took the plunge and voted for one of them at random? That way, if wolves pile on it, there would definitely be enough of us left to counter-pile on the other. Or does it just make it easier for the wolves to do their wolfy thing if I accidentally give them a one-vote head start? Also, it would mean that if you later decided that the wiser choice would have been to abstain, that choice is no longer available because I'll have happily voted and gone to bed already. My brain is all mushy at this hour so if someone has a clear idea of what we should do, I'd be grateful to hear it asap :D

Persuade the mods to let us lynch them both? :-/

I don’t think we can abstain - that just gives the wolves the voting power. So... I dunno, it entirely depends on who's going to be around. Kath may already be gone, which would make a wrong vote from you a sure kill for the wolves. Or maybe the wolves are asleep and we've nothing to worry about!

hS

[Huinesoron]

Just gonna toss it out there, if we tie it goes to the Dead Thread where they have two wolves to deal with we only have one. I mean they have a decent chunk of Oreos

Can confirm, had Oreos tonight.

I don’t know whether trying to get the Living to decide the vote is a good or a bad sign... :-/

hS

[Formendacil]

Oh wow. I hadn't even thought of that! :eek: You're probably right about us having to do something. I'm also leaning Morsul, but I'm by no means confident about it.

I thought of keeping it to myself in the hopes of Sally and/or Legate not thinking of it... but I decided it was best not to risk it.

To Hui's question...

It comes more down to gut and/or a sense of the two player's personalities than to a rigorous vote-scrutinizing process. Morsul feels like he's having more FUN and I feel like he's a player who, having FUN, would be more likely to be a chaos-creating Wolf than Lommy--my sense is that her tendency is toward more standard post-analysis, etc, but although that's been there, there has been a running theme of timezone lag and/or tiredness which to me feels more likely to be broadcast as an Ordo than as a more "dialed in" Wolf.

EDIT: Also, since I cross-posted with Morsul-activity on the Living Thread, I think Morsul, in explaining the "hypothetical" to Soriman feels a lot more analytical than his chaotic playing style would lead me to expect. Keeping such close track of Innocents/Ordos, while something anyone can do (for instead, I'd say it is very typical of a Hui, regardless of the role) is something that--for Morsul--strikes me as less in character if he were an Ordo.

Not that I can't be quite wrong.

[A Little Green]

That's two of you who've said that, I think... why Morsul? (Asking because I know I've been focusing overmuch on Lommy and don't have a good read on Morsul) For me, it's mostly about what kind of bussing behaviour makes sense and what doesn't. I still think Lommy's Legate vote wouldn't have made sense if she was a wolf with him - off-handedly voting for a fellow who had been doing an excellent job flying under the radar so far. It would have been an unnecessarily risky thing to do on a Day when an innocent lynch would have meant an immediate wolf victory, and when there was a decent argument against innocent Pitch. This is especially true since Lommy hadn't exactly dug herself into any trenches she couldn't have backed out of - on the contrary, she was explicit about being clueless, which would have been a good cover for buying the argument against Pitch.

Meanwhile, if Morsul is the wolf, bussing Sally would have been more or less a necessity - he had suspected her already the Day before, and with the reveal of at least one wolf between himself, Sally and Pitch, not going after Sally would have looked incredibly fishy. I could see a Morswolf then attempting the same early-vote strategy the next Day to try and lynch Pitch, who had nicely incriminated himself by defending Sally. It just - makes more sense I guess? But there's a limit to the extent to which logic can be trusted in werewolf, so really, it's anyone's guess. :rolleyes:

[Kath]

Hi all sorry for radio silence. I can be here for voting til the deadline (although future Kath won't thank me for it) to be part of Deadline Chicken.

[A Little Green]

I wonder if Boro was dreamed. Because if he was it would’ve been hilarious if Lommy had killed me and had all known innocents around them. Dammit I can wait to read the dead thread bet they’re having a blast.Errr... no? We're having nervous breakdowns here!

[Boromir88]

I've kept my cards and thoughts close to my chest today, because...

1. I really wish Soriman and Pitch would just take it out of our hands and vote for the same person, but I'm not very hopeful that would happen.

2. I feel like if I were the first to cast my vote and say it is the wolf. Legate and sally would pile on it to make it only appear that I voted for the ordo (when in fact it was for the wolf) and then the rest would then suddenly vote to save the other.

Yes I actually have been thinking #2 as the sneaky wolf tactic today. I would of course be grateful if there was a gentleperson's agreement that the wolves just split their vote today :)

[Huinesoron]

which is not saying the Dead ain't sweet!) + Ranger + Seer have got their act together and will take precautions.

WE'RE NOT SWEET also the Ranger is hanging out with you lot.

Dammit I can wait to read the dead thread bet they’re having a blast.

WE ARE NOT HAVING A BLAST.

Hi all sorry for radio silence. I can be here for voting til the deadline (although future Kath won't thank me for it) to be part of Deadline Chicken.

Future hS has been screaming at me for the past five nights or so, so I get you.

hS

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Errr... no? We're having nervous breakdowns here!

Well, what sort of a final Day would that be without nervous breakdowns, am I right? ;)

[Huinesoron]

Well, what sort of a final Day would that be without nervous breakdowns, am I right? ;)

You already killed us! Do you have to drive us mad as well?! ;)

hS

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

You already killed us! Do you have to drive us mad as well?! ;)

hS

Hey! I am here just observing, whatever the Living are doing is none of my business. :cool:

[Boromir88]

Hey, Soriman voted for Morsul. Come on Pitch