Question

[JCamilo]

First of all, Hello all.

I have some question, I hope anyone can help me out.

The greatest source for heat in Middle Earth is ? (Can be a natural source or Magical). I suppose it is Mt. Doom, but I am not sure.

Why Elrond only wanted to destroy the ring in the Mt.Doom ? Is because the magic of the making of ring liked it there ? If so, there is any quote of Tolkien or even the characters to back up Elrond's idea ? I know the talk of Gandalf to Bilbo when he tell him to destroy the ring only there in the Fellowship of Ring book, but there Gandalf is vague of the reason to do there.
Thanks everyone

[Beren87]

The Sun perhaps..?

The only two ways the ring could be melted were in the fire of a dragon and in the fires of Mt.Doom where it was forged.

[JCamilo]

well, Besides the sun ^^

I believe gandalf says the Dragons could melt (as they did with the dwarfs rings) the other rings. Not the one...

[Beren87]

No, he did say Dragon's Fire could melt it. Somewhere in the beginning of FotR.

And greatest heat generators would be those two, Dragon Fire and Mt.Doom.

[JCamilo]

" , but there is not now any dragon left on earth in which the old fire is hot enough; nor was there ever any dragon, not even Ancalagon the Black, who could have harmed the one ring, the Ruling Ring, for that was made by Sauron himself. "

Here the quote, see, the one ring he says can not be. That is the only quote I know about this, I would like to hear about something else...

[Beren87]

Ah...I'll dissapear into the oblivion of shame now.

According to Robert Foster: "The ring could only be melted in the fires of Mt.Doom where it was forged"

[ February 08, 2003: Message edited by: Beren87 ]

[Naldoriathil]

During the council of Elrond in Rivendell, Elrond said that the Ring needed to be destroyed in the Fires of Mount Doom because that was where The One Ring was forged by Sauron to defeat the world.

[XPhial]

Just to be literary for a moment:

Since Mt. Doom is a volcano, and a volcano is simply filled with molten earth, the only thing that could detroy the Ring was Middle Earth itself. It's one more example of how Tolkien uses the very land as a character. Now, Mt Doom is a specific volcano, and likely the only active one in Middle Earth. The question remains, was it natually active or manipulated, like so many other things, by the will of Sauron? If it was manipulated, then it's likely that even another volcano would not have been sufficient to destroy the ring...only the cradle of its forging. Since that question remains unanswered, however, we can speculate that only with the characters' cooperation with Middle Earth itself could the ring be defeated.

[Inderjit Sanghera]

I believe that Mt. Doom, was originally 'evil' in a sense, since it is said to be a remnant of one of Melkor's works. I think it was what first attracted Sauron to Mordor, and that it was completely manipulated when Sauron forged the ring in it.

[ February 08, 2003: Message edited by: Inderjit Sanghera ]

[JCamilo]

Naldoriathil:

Can you quote this , please ?

Beren 87:

Pardon my ignorance, But who is Robert Foster and he ever gave the reason to believe this that way ?

Xphial:

I believe that either in Simarillion or Book of lost tales they say the Vulcano is linked with Sauron will, which show the Vulcano is magical in his nature. But then that would be a redundance, right ? ME is all magical in the nature.

[Arwen Imladris]

Therefore I say: Ea! Let these things Be! And I will send forth into the Void the Flame Imperishable, and it shall be at the heart of the World, And the World shall be..

This is from the Silmarillion, Iluvatar was talking to the Ainur.

Could the Flame Imperishable be what is heating up the world?

[Legolas]

The 'Flame Imperishable' was life. Not a literal heat source.

Mount Doom is the only volcano mentioned in Middle-earth. Meneltarma is noted to be volcanic in HoME IX, but it was covered in water like the rest of Númenor.

[Beren87]

Robert Foster was a Tolkien scholar who wrote the book "Tolkien's world from A to Z".

[Inderjit Sanghera]

Legolas-Wasn't Erebor an extinct volcano?

JCamilo- Mount Doom is said to be a relic of one of Melkor's old works.

[ February 11, 2003: Message edited by: Inderjit Sanghera ]

[Legolas]

No. It wasn't. I think you're thinking of this passage. Bilbo compared Smaug's rumbling to a volcano.

The dwarves were still passing the cup from hand to hand and talking delightedly of the recovery of their treasure, when suddenly a vast rumbling woke in the mountain underneath as if it was an old volcano that had made up its mind to start eruptions once again. The door behind them was pulled nearly to, and blocked from closing with a stone, but up the long tunnel came the dreadful echoes, from far down in the depths, of a bellowing and a trampling that made the ground beneath them tremble.

Then the dwarves forgot their joy and their confident boasts of a moment before and cowered down in fright. Smaug was still to be reckoned with. It does not do to leave a live dragon out of your calculations, if you live near him.