Tuor and Idril

[Joy]

Due to the recent questions concerning Elvish love and immortality,I have researched Elvish Women/Edain men relationships.

During this process, I have found that Tuor, the son of Huor of the Edain married Idril Celebrindal of Gondolin. It is noted that Tuor was a messenger of Ulmo and was sent to Turgon by him. There he met Idril and subsquently married her. Then in 560 1st Age, he passed over the Sea to the West.

Here is my question. Why would a man/Edain be allowed to pass to the West? Did he become immortal or did he pass like the Ring Bearers?

[Elrian]

Here's a couple of threads on Elven/Edain Marriages and Tuor that should explain what happened. Link (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=10&t=000323) and Link (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=10&t=000106)

[Joy]

Thank you so much Elrian. This was just what I was looking for smilies/wink.gif

[Joy]

I still have one question.

I have mused over this through the day and I see what happened, yet I do not see the reason behind Tuor receieving the gift of the Elves.

Why was he counted as one of the Eldar? Was it his service to Ulmo, or the fact that he married an Eldar?

[Heen-1]

i dont think anyone knows what happend to him.

[Melephelwen]

Haven't got the Sil with me, but I think he sailed over the sea with Idril, and no one heard of them again. At least, that's what I got out of it. smilies/smile.gif

[The Silver-shod Muse]

But what if there were forced marriages by the corrupt Edain (later Numenoreans) simply for immortality? It just might have been something that those later Numenorean kings would pull.

[TarElendil]

Its unclear what happened to Idril and Tuor. most people believe that they found their way to Valinor and Tuor was given the gift of immortality. If this happened, I believe it was because of both Tuor's service of Ulmo and his love for Idril.

[TarElendil]

corrupt Edain (later Numenoreans)
not all numenoreans were corrupt. The Numenoreans lived in peace for many mnay many years before SOME began to mutter against the Ban of the Valar. The Faithful never took part in any acts against the Valar.

[Mornie Alantie]

Ok It clearly says in the Silmarilion that Tour was in Turgon's favor. So therefore he was allowed to Marry Idril, Turgon's daughter. After the fall of Gondolin Tour and Idril Sailed on his ship Vingelot to look for Valinor. They were never heard of again. Now his Son Earendil married Elwing the daughter of Dior the son of Beren and Luthian and they were the ones who finally reached Valinor. So Idril and Tour were not heard of after they went to sea

[TarElendil]

I am sure it meant "not heard in middle-earth again"
just depends on the way you read it

[Mornie Alantie]

yah it did say not heard of in Middle Earth. I think Tolkien was trying to hint that they were probably stopped in the Enchanted Islands that guarded Valinor

[Losthuniel]

i just assumed that they reached Valinor and Tuor was given immortality. yet it said that the Valar were not allowed to take the Gift of Death from Men. now im confused.

[Daniel Telcontar]

Tuor was counted among the Eldar, which means he must have been given the gift/curse of immortality. If that is true, then Iluvatar must have given it to him. But it was probably Manwe who made it possible, since he alone knows Iluvatar's deepest thoughts. Remember, when Earendil's fate is decided, Manwe takes charge and allows him to freely choose. If he could do that to earendil, why not Tuor?

[Gorthol]

Tuor was counted among the Eldar, which means he must have been given the gift/curse of immortality. If that is true, then Iluvatar must have given it to him. But it was probably Manwe who made it possible, since he alone knows Iluvatar's deepest thoughts. Remember, when Earendil's fate is decided, Manwe takes charge and allows him to freely choose. If he could do that to earendil, why not Tuor?

Tuor was counted among the "Elder Children" and thus he got the "gift" of immortality, Ilúvatar was certainly the one who decided this, probably through the request of Ulmo through Manwë. Since Tuor was brought up by elves, brought to the world to deliver the message to Turgon, loved the elves and finally faught with great honor to help them out, it is understandable that he was (as a unique exception) counted among their numbers and was to share their fate. Eärendils fate was not the same as Tuors, Eärendil had the free choice of belonging to either race, Tuor did not, but was instead granted this "gift" through the deepest wishes of his heart, i.e. he was an Elf in every respect but the fact born a man..

[Legolas]

Ulmo didn't come to Tuor and say "Tuor, would you like to be immortal?" Even so, Tuor's change was just as much of a decision as Earendil's choice was. I think he understood (the possibilities of) what he was getting into when he stepped onto that ship.