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tin
06-01-2002, 11:35 AM
Hello everyone, it's my first post, and i have a question:

if elves were slain, Valar will restore them,right? but by how?

thanks in advance.
Joy
06-01-2002, 11:39 AM
Mae govannan Tin. Elen sila lumenn' omentielvo (A star shines on the hour of our meeting.)

Welcome to the downs. Post often.

As for your question, I have wondered the same thing.
tin
06-01-2002, 11:52 AM
Thanks Joy!

maybe i should make the question more clearly, when i read HoME12 the part about the return of Glorfindel,i got a impression that they've been given a new body by Valar; but now after read HoME10, the re-born part, it seems through new parents. smilies/confused.gif
Orald
06-01-2002, 12:20 PM
What in HoME 10 are you referring to?

As to your question, the Valar seemed to do it.
tin
06-02-2002, 01:26 AM
Durelen:

HoME10 is 'Morgoth's Ring'; on 'of re-birth and other dooms of those that go to manaos'


Now the Eldar hold that to each elf-child a new fea is given, not akin to the fear of the parents....;and this fea either did not exist before birth, or is the fea of one that is re-born.
twinkle
06-02-2002, 01:45 AM
hiya tin.....

here's another thread on the subject:

link (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=10&t=000700)

twinkle
Daniel Telcontar
06-02-2002, 03:44 AM
Wasn't Glorfindel unique that he was the only one who didn't get a new body, but kept his old one? If that is true, then dead elves must be re-imbodied through birth.
orlandoandsaran
06-02-2002, 03:49 AM
Welcome to the Downs, Tin!
Have fun here and post lots!
Daniel Telcontar
06-02-2002, 03:58 AM
Oh... Yeah, right. Welcome, tin. Have fun. (What? What do mean that my welcome is late and not very enthusiastic? Did you expect me to come dancing in and shout aloha?) smilies/biggrin.gif
tin
06-02-2002, 08:08 AM
Thanks everyone!

oh,Daniel Telcontar, since i travelled long from far east, some nice welcome dance will heal and refresh me! smilies/biggrin.gif

[ June 02, 2002: Message edited by: tin ]
Daniel Telcontar
06-02-2002, 08:13 AM
Oh... You're welcome. (Now what? So I didn't dance around of joy! Ofcourse I think tin is welcome, but there is no need to go to the extreme!) smilies/biggrin.gif

[ June 02, 2002: Message edited by: Daniel Telcontar ]
Aiwendil
06-02-2002, 12:56 PM
No, at least not according to JRRT's latest writings. In the earlier versions, Elves were indeed reborn in their descendants, but Tolkien later decided that this was inconsistent with the metaphysics of Arda. He thus decided that Elves are instead reincarnated by the Valar, who are capable of constructing a new body for them, identical to the former one.