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Naldoriathil
02-14-2003, 10:59 AM
Ok, so we have all have favourite characters, but who are your 5 WORST characters, in your opinion? This can be from any book, LOTR, Silm, HoME. Mine are:

Bill Ferny
Feanor
Galadriel
Manwe
Morgoth

Have a nice time choosing, it could be quite interesting to see which character is mentioned most! smilies/evil.gif

eleanor_niphredil
02-14-2003, 11:04 AM
Grima
bill ferny
all nine nazgul
faramir from the movie
elrond

Naldoriathil
02-14-2003, 11:16 AM
Yeah, actually I agree with the Faramir one. Keep 'um coming people!

Tenduriel
02-14-2003, 11:19 AM
erm, who was bill ferny again?

Naldoriathil
02-14-2003, 11:23 AM
A Man of Bree, a minor agent of Saruman in the north during the War of the Ring. Very suspicious character, and he gave me chills down my spine.

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LePetitChoux
02-14-2003, 11:53 AM
So far (five 12ths through Silm. ~ Shock! Horror!)
1.Fëanor
2.Ungoliant
3.Film Faramir
4.Shagrat (or was it Gorbag? - you know the one I mean - the horrible one (great description to help identify a certain particular orc, I know))
5.The 276th orc from the left, 3rd row outside the Black Gate (after Aragorn and Company come and have a "friendly chat" and then the Eagles come-you know the story)...I feel he wasn't developed well enough.

Inderjit Sanghera
02-14-2003, 12:43 PM
1. Sam
2. Denethor
3. Gaffer Gamgee
4. Turgon
5. Master of town in 'Tal-Elmar'

Nuinatariel
02-14-2003, 01:03 PM
1. film Faramir
2. Frodo (but only in RotK)
3. Bill Ferny
4. Fëanor
5. Gríma Wormtongue

Rynoah, the Overly-Happy
02-14-2003, 01:08 PM
It's been a while since I actually read the books, so pardon me if this list is fuzzy.

1. Denethor: though I pity the man, I hate him. A lot.
2. Saruman
3. Any of the orcs or Uruk-Hai
4. Grima Wormtongue
5. Arwen: for some reason... I just didn't like her

I would go so far as to say the movie portrayal of Faramir is my all-time hate-list topper, but I actually love the character Faramir and try my hardest to no longer associate the movie with him.

eleanor_niphredil
02-14-2003, 01:27 PM
the revised list, in no particular order.

1- faramir in the film
2- Arwen in the film
3- Bill Ferny
4- Denethor
5- The "What about their legs?" orc.

Eomer of the Rohirrim
02-14-2003, 02:59 PM
I cannot understand you people. You have mentioned so many great and fascinating characters here.

Naldoriathil
02-14-2003, 03:06 PM
Ok, Eomer of the Rohirrim. Why don't you tell us your 5 worst characters. The choices are people's opinion and we are all entitled to an opinion I believe? Who would you choose? smilies/smile.gif

Barodir
02-14-2003, 03:29 PM
No real order:
-(Movie)Faramir~only in TTT, he may get better in RotK.
-Arwen~in the books, she doesn't do anything that would make me like her, and she's in the movies a little too much.
-(Movie)Haldir~why'd he die???
-Bill Ferny~'nuff said...
-(Movie)Eomer~for some reason, I just couldn't stand him in TTT. He was sorta shoved down our throats with little back story. Hopefully he'll be better in RotK like Faramir.

Arwen Imladris
02-14-2003, 03:52 PM
This can be from any book, LOTR, Silm, HoME Books guys! Not movies!

Mine are

Boromir
Bill Ferney
Saruman (Sharku esp)
Sauron
Morgoth

Sindae
02-14-2003, 04:03 PM
arwen
frodo
legolas
gríma wormtongue
denethor

the witch king
02-14-2003, 04:05 PM
Whats up with all this Feanor bashin?
anyway mine are:

1) Ulfang~If it wasnt for his treason Morgoth may have been overthrowen.

2) Mim~ Just think he's a cowerd

3) Finarfin~ Just think he should have went into m/e with Feanor his king

4) Elrond~Dont know what it is just dont like him!

5) Saruman~ He trys to hard, hes a Sauron wana-b!

[ February 14, 2003: Message edited by: the witch king ]

LePetitChoux
02-14-2003, 04:05 PM
I realised I'd left someone very important out, so here is my new list:
Top 5 Most Annoying Characters
(No Particular order) Aragorn ("Oh, did I happen to mention I'm the future king?" "I'm king, did you know that?" "I'm royalty, so I'm going to proclaim it to the world")
Fëanor (I'm just going to go all egoïstical because I have a paranoia over my own work, and lead lots of people away from Gods")
Film "the Ring must go to Gondor" Faramir (He is too wrong!)
Book Faramir (too righteous and too lucky)
Denethor (I just love optimists such as him, don't you?)

elven maiden Earwen
02-14-2003, 04:34 PM
1)borimer
2)dont kill me 4 saying this but legolas was wimpy in the books
3)bilbo
4)denethor
5)arwen
(not anough of her in the book)

or turgon
mandos
finwe
huor
findulas

[ February 14, 2003: Message edited by: elven maiden Earwen ]

Naldoriathil
02-15-2003, 08:45 AM
Excellent, I see that Faramir from the film appears quite a lot! Very interesting results, are there any more you don't like?
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Brinniel
02-15-2003, 12:59 PM
Not in any particular order:

1. Fëanor
2. Eöl
3. Bill Ferny
4. Wormtongue
5. Saruman

Peri
02-15-2003, 04:23 PM
When you say 'worst characters', do you mean charcters we didn't like, or characters that just didn't fit into the stories? Anyway, the characters I liked the least runs as follows(not in any particular order):

Denethor
Lotho
Bill Ferny
Boromir
Ungoliant

Finwen
02-15-2003, 04:29 PM
Nothing beats a good old list.... smilies/smile.gif

And, so as to be nice (even though this is 'worst' characters) I've included one of each race of Middle Earth...

1. Grishnakh
2. Saeros
3. Thorin
4. Ted Sandyman
5. Isildur

dragoneyes
02-15-2003, 04:44 PM
In no particular order:
1. Bilbo - not sure why, he just does.
2. Gollum/Smeagol - please, no one stick up for him
3. Bill Ferny - coward
4. Galadriel - I'm going to give you some hope but make sure that you know it's hopeless whether I do or not.
5. Denethor - he's so patronising

There, that's me done.

Demloth of Dol Amroth
02-15-2003, 06:43 PM
Worst Bad Guys
#1-film Faramir-Agh! Why PJ why?
#2-Morgoth-I never liked him
#3-Balrogs-them either, the concept is sound but i thought they never looked cool
#4-Grima Wormtongue-extremelystupid and irritating
#5-evil hobbits-also dumb

Coolest Bad guys
#1-Any Nazgul, movie or book
#2-movie Sauron(physical form)-I WANT HIS MACE
#3-Barrow-Wights
#5-Saruman
i have nobody deserving #4 yet

[ February 15, 2003: Message edited by: Demloth of Dol Amroth ]

Maros An Doramor
02-15-2003, 06:52 PM
In no order:

Denethor : I cannot STAND pathetic characters!

Faramir: I'm a Boromir fan, and frankly Faramir made Boromir look like the more incapable son.

Sam : He's bearable at the end of TTT and beginning of FotR, but when he's with Frodo he plain annoys me!

Bergil : I dunno why. Just don't like the boy.

The Uruk that shot Bromir in FotR (Movie) : Damn that coward!! Why couldn't he just duel it out fair and square?!? Grrrr

[ February 15, 2003: Message edited by: Maros An Doramor ]

Pallando B.C
02-15-2003, 08:21 PM
This is in no particular order:

- Fëanor
- Ungoliant
- Celegorm -(In fact all the Sons of Fëanor)
- Carcharoth
- Maeglin

The list goes on.

MLD-Grounds-Keeper-Willie
02-15-2003, 08:33 PM
In no order:
1. Arwen
2. Arwen
3. Arwen
4. Arwen
5. ...hmmm, what was that character....Oh yeah, Arwen.

Oh, this is about the books, sorry, new list. And in no particular order either.

1. Sam
2. Arwen
3. The Mouth of Sauron
4. Lobelia Sackville-Baggins
5. Haldir or Elrond; I can't decide which

Elanor
02-16-2003, 10:39 AM
Are people picking characters they dislike (as in, wouldn't want to spend time with them) or characters they think are badly written? I can hardly think of any characters that I wouldn't want in the book, the baddies and dislikeable ones are essential, and add to the tension. But I do find Celeborn very dull. He never seems to do much, just stands around in the background muttering the odd line here and there.

LadyElbereth
02-16-2003, 10:47 AM
Denethor
Lobelia-Sackville Baggins
Bill Ferny
Feanor
Ungoliant

Naldoriathil
02-16-2003, 11:16 AM
Yeah, just characters you dislike. Up to you. It's not very serious I know, but what the hell! smilies/evil.gif

Nuinheledien
02-16-2003, 12:36 PM
This is great, getting to see which characters people like the least.

#1 Sauron (sp, i can never spell his name right!)
#2 Saruman
#3 Wormtounge
#4 Denethor
#5 The orcs and ura-hai

Mine are all the baddies!

Eressië Ailin
03-21-2003, 11:51 AM
Arwen
Tom Bombadil
Galadriel
The Gaffer (he just creeps me out)
Boromir

Thalioncairwen
03-21-2003, 02:09 PM
1. Arwen
2. Arwen
3. Arwen
4. Boromir
5. Eowyn
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Armadoin
03-21-2003, 03:13 PM
1. Gollum- His insane gibbering in the movie made me dislike him even more.
2. Feanor- Just the way I envisioned him; It creeped me out.
3. Saruman- Anyone who looks into a palantir is disturbing.
4. Lobelia Baggins- what a *****.
5.Tom Bombadil- His excessive cheeriness is about enough to make me gag.

Cherie Centaur
03-21-2003, 07:28 PM
Oooo, I can have fun smilies/biggrin.gif . Here goes:

Denethor- Favoring Boromir, and basically telling Faramir to DIE!!!!

Aragorn- Going around telling who he is and saving everyone (not that I mind him saving Faramir, but he treats your average person like a stupid child)

Saeros- that racist elf, if it wasn't for him Turin wouldn't have left Doriath

Anarion & Erendis- they're just screwed up!

Sophia the Thunder Mistress
03-21-2003, 07:45 PM
Hm, in no particular order

1. Elladan and Elrohir (they're don't have any personality and they run together)
2. Ar-Pharazon (he's just a nasty old man!)
3. Lobelia Sackville-Baggins (the scene I get most angry about in all of LOTR is when she shows up at Bag End early and demands the keys)
4. Ghan-Buri-Ghan (annoying)
5. Haldir (he's really quite awful in the book, smug, and his brothers Rumil and Orophin are worse)

But I do want to comment that I think the movie version just butchered Faramir's character... gr.

-Sophia

GaladrieloftheOlden
03-21-2003, 07:50 PM
You don't even see Rumil and Orophin more than once, don't judge them. I happen to quite like the three bros....What do you people have against Faramir in the movie? He was way off from the book, I'll admit that, but the acting by David Wenham was superb smilies/mad.gif smilies/mad.gif smilies/wink.gif

Sophia the Thunder Mistress
03-21-2003, 08:09 PM
*laughs* Good greif... I didn't realize I was going to be killed...

I didn't criticize the acting, friend, just the way the character was written. I agree that he was very well played, I just would have liked it vastly better if David Wenham played Faramir the way Tolkien made him, not the way Jackson made him.

GaladrieloftheOlden
03-21-2003, 08:17 PM
Oh and I forgot about actually answering the question. So here goes:
Oh by the way, I am extremely partial towards Elves, so I have been (literally) banging my head against the wall every time you people mentioned one of them. No, my parents are not home. ;-)
Lobelia Sackville Baggins. That old ****. smilies/wink.gif
Beregond
That kid Haleth, in the movie.
Hama, in the movie.
Gimli, in the movie.

All the Elves were great! smilies/cool.gif

[ March 21, 2003: Message edited by: GaladrieloftheOlden ]

Gorwingel
03-21-2003, 10:49 PM
Okay, some of you are going to get mad at some of my choices, but here it goes...

Here is my list (In no particular order)

1.Faramir-in book or movie, I didn't like him
2.Shelob-didn't like her, too scary
3.Balrog of Moria, and any other Balrog in the books
4.Morgoth-Very mean evil thing, did not like him, and of course he never really gets defeated
5.Gollum (Ok, I know that there is a lot of people who love Gollum out there, but I don't, and remember everyone is entitled to their opinion. I just did not like him, I knew he was evil the entire time, and I know that the ring would have never been distroyed without him, but I still did not like him. He was just simply annoying to me. Though I would never want him to be removed from the book)

GlingleglingleglingleFairy
03-22-2003, 02:07 AM
I don't think there's 5 characters I hate, only a few including: Arwen!!!!! She's so annoying and I hate how Aragorn loves her. He should like Eowyn, she's much better.
Celegorm, one of Feanor's sons because he's so nasty.

Cherie Centaur
03-22-2003, 07:22 AM
Ugh! I knew I forgot some people:

Arwen- Same reason as everyone else

Fëanor and all his ****ing sons- I didn't know elves could be evil till we met them

Mim- the coward! He gives dwarves a bad name smilies/mad.gif

Ar-Pharazon- Evil, corruptable, and he marries his sister

That should be it. I know it totals over five but I hate them all equally. smilies/wink.gif

Ringethiriel
03-22-2003, 09:24 AM
my five worst characters would be (in no paticular order):

books
1. bill ferny (suspicous character)
2. galadriel (i dont know why, i just never liked her)
3. ted sandyman (he is mean to sam)
4. denethor (for obvious reasons)
5. bilbo (again i dont know why)

films
1. arwen
2. galadriel
3. eomer
4. faramir
5. frodo

i'm feeling evil today!!! smilies/evil.gif smilies/evil.gif

The Saucepan Man
03-22-2003, 08:55 PM
The characters that I dislike are not those who are good and not those who are evil, but those who fall somewhere between. The characters that really irritate me are those that seem to have quite a bit going for them, if they could only see, but who end up acting in a bad way for reasons which I find either rather silly or just plain mystifying. So my list is as follows:

1. Saeros (whoever said stupid racist Elf, I agree)
2. Erendis (for goodness, sake she knew what she was getting into when she married the guy)
3. Denethor (he may have decided that there was no hope for himself, but what gave him the right to try to take his son with him?)
4. Eol (I couldn't really understand what his problem was)
5. Maeglin (son of his father)

mark12_30
03-22-2003, 09:34 PM
5 worst characters... how about I list the five most frustrating characters? The thing I find most frustrating, is the refusal to repent, even when the chance is clear. WIth that in mind:
Denethor, for obvious reasons
Gollum; he came so close that day in the tunnel, and poor Sam didn't know the damage he did; poor Smeagol...
Saruman's refusal to repent when Gandalf offered him the chance on the steps of Orthanc; and likewise his refusal to repent during his confrontation with Frodo
Feanor; I really like him as a craftsman and artist; even Gandalf wanted to watch him at work; and his warring and stiffnecked attitude makes me sad
Thingol's stubborn attitude towards Beren and Luthien, and his refusal to listen to Melian's advice and her warning.

In The Hobbit, all those stubborn kings who let the greed get to them--Thorin, Thranduil, Bard... twinkies all.

I never understood it when I was younger, but Galadriel's passing the test means more and more to me as the years go by.

I love Boromir's repentance.

Elrowen Greenleaf
03-23-2003, 10:56 AM
Grima Wormtongue
Sauron
Melkor/Morgoth
All Orcs, trolls, and other evil creatures...
Bill Ferny

Maikadilwen
06-11-2003, 03:12 PM
Fëanor and all his ****ing sons- I didn't know elves could be evil till we met them

What? Leave my poor Maglor alone! He didn't do anything wrong! smilies/mad.gif At least not much... smilies/frown.gif

Anyway, although I feel like just saying "All the terrible good guys", I'll try to make a list.

From the books:

1. Sam

2. Frodo

3. Mim (he tried to kill my Beleg smilies/mad.gif )

4. Finduilas (poor Gwindor has lost everything, so let's rip his heart out and stomp on it now we're at it!)

5. Morwen Eledhwen (had she been less selfish and taken care of her own son, he would've turned out differently! And he would've known his own sister...)

Estella Brandybuck
06-11-2003, 03:32 PM
What do you people have against Faramir in the movie? He was way off from the book, I'll admit that, but the acting by David Wenham was superb

I'm weird about that... I hated what they did to his character, but I loved Wenham's acting in the movie... maybe I've just got some strange opinions. smilies/tongue.gif

As for the topic at hand... err, I dunno, none of the characters really annoyed me or anything... but if I had to choose...

1. Ruffian #1
2. Ruffian #2
3. Ruffian #3
4. Ruffian #4
5. Ruffian #5

Grr. No one messes with hobbits! Scouring of the Shire was a great chapter, just so very depressing at first... I mean, it's the Shire! Bad things shouldn't happen there, and yet they do!

Oh yeah, and Mîm. The guy gives Dwarves a bad name.

Corwyn Celesil
06-11-2003, 09:23 PM
Aside from Morgoth, Sauron, and Saruman who are too obvious, I despise Ungoliant (any being who would suck in light and spew out darkness is hideous), Feanor (for a wise Elf, he fell prey to sweet words too easily, and I can never forgive him the Kinslaying!), Gorthang (that is the name of the Worm who cursed Turin and Nienor, isn't it?), Maeglin (that an Elf would betray the fair city of Gondolin for a little personal grudge is despicable), and Denethor (I pity him, but he was arrogant and a fool, he tried to kill his son, and he put unfair, unfatherly pressure on both his sons and, in my opinion, came close to ruining their lives).

Maikadilwen
06-11-2003, 09:48 PM
Gorthang (that is the name of the Worm who cursed Turin and Nienor, isn't it?)

That would be Glaurung! smilies/wink.gif

And yes, he was pretty annoying at times.

Neferchoirwen
06-12-2003, 02:07 AM
Feanor- I didn't get why he had to rebel. I'd dig it if he went against something that was too legalistic, or too stressfull or something.

Manwe- he's too grumpy for me, and IMHO, seems a bit cold towards Yavanna

Saruman- he blew his entire career

Grima Wormtongue- useless free loader

Gollum- he lied, (the only reason why I don't like him)

arianrod
06-12-2003, 10:42 AM
*gasp!* How can so many of you hate on SAM?! Oh well, here's my list, in no particular order:

Arwen: You know why
Gollum:: Don't be fooled by the flashy computer graphics and pitiful Sméagol, people! That thing is evil through and through!
Shelob: She freaks me out. And I just don't like spiders. Especially giant ones that would see me as a nice meal.
Movie Galadriel: I don't really know why, but she annoys the h3ll outta me.
The Ring: Does that count? I mean, it seems to have a mind, voice, personality, and evilness of its own. What more does it need to be considered alive?

Trippo The Hippo
06-12-2003, 11:55 AM
No real order.

Arwen
Tom Bombadil
Gimli son of Gloin
Radgast The Brown - Not sure on the spelling. I didn't feel like he was developed enough. Oh well my Simarlillion came yesterday so perhaps he will be in there.
Galadriel - Especially in the movie, but I didn't like her much in the books either.

Frodo2968thewhite
06-12-2003, 12:03 PM
My 5 are:
-Bill Ferny smilies/wink.gif
-Gollum~except for the fact that he destroyed the ring
-Arwen~movie and book
-Legolas in the movies~sorry smilies/frown.gif
-DENETHOR!!! smilies/mad.gif

Neferchoirwen
06-12-2003, 12:07 PM
Oh how can I forget the Sackville-Bagginses!

Sam? there are those that hate Sam? Well, I have to admit to myself that I am a bit annoyed at people that belong to Sam's social stature (uh-huh, now you know where I'm coming from), but thinking about that some more, I can't afford to be annoyed at anyone...I can't judge...

*ducks*....this belongs to another thread!

the phantom
06-12-2003, 12:15 PM
Don't be down on Feanor just because he fulfilled his destiny.

If you think I'm crazy for saying that, please read the extremely informative and interesting thread I've given a link for down below (and make sure you read all of it, or you won't completely understand what I mean, it has to do with fate).
http://forum.barrowdowns.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=1&t=003009

Talon Stormcrow
06-12-2003, 03:26 PM
Hmm lets see...I dont really hate these characters they just got really annoying at times.

1. Frodo in RotK - he got annoying pretty fast
2. Arwen
3. Lobelia Sackville Baggins
4. Ghan-Buri-Ghan
5. Aragorn - dont get me wrong Aragorn is one of my favorite characters but I got tired of him repeating that he was royalty and soon to be king.

ambi
06-13-2003, 02:31 AM
Here's my list -
1. Bill Ferny
2. All of Feanor's sons (not Feanor) except the eldest, Maedhros (Did I get the name right? Haven't read The Silm for a long time.)
3. Ungoliant
4. Denethor
5. Mim the Dwarf

Ophelia
06-14-2003, 02:57 PM
5 worst charecters? Where there any ? Ok myebe those stunt orcs and elves and soldiers were not so atractive as I would like them to be but everybody was grate in the book and the movies specially cave trolls smilies/biggrin.gif

Finwe
06-14-2003, 03:17 PM
ambi, I don't think it was wise to mention Denethor on that list when Meela is around! She'll set the Guards of Gondor on you!

Meela
06-14-2003, 03:26 PM
*Laughs* Everyone is saying that :) Its great that so many people have picked up on my weird obsession... okay, so maybe I would prefer it if you all picked on a good point... but weird will do!

You can mention Denethor if you want, I think he's weird too. I won't kill you... yet :P

Idunn
06-17-2003, 09:12 AM
Let's put it straightly and shortly: Pippin, Tom Bombadil, Lobelia, Bill Ferny, Denethor, in no particular order.

Cameron Waite
06-17-2003, 02:58 PM
Oh i cringe when i see Gandalf's name on the lists! I believe in opinions but its GANDALF for hecks sake! He saved the world!

But here goes my list
1. Galadriel(Way too boring and high and mighty)
2. Bergil (like someone said earlier "I just dont like the boy"
3. Aragorn as King. (I LOVE Strider but when he becomes king he is way too stuck on himself. He isnt the fun guy who hunts orcs and tramps through the wild. Now he is just a snobby old dotard)
4. Treebeard (Nice guy but too slow. Yes i know thats the point but its a thick part to get through in the books.)
5. Bombadil (What kind of useless scum is this guy? People are dying and fighting everyday and he simply stays home and hops on the hill tops in the moonlight! And the Ring doesnt even have any power over him for hecks sake!)

Trippo The Hippo
06-17-2003, 08:49 PM
5. Bombadil (What kind of useless scum is this guy? People are dying and fighting everyday and he simply stays home and hops on the hill tops in the moonlight! And the Ring doesnt even have any power over him for hecks sake!)

I fell of my chair when I read that useless scum part. He really is useless if you think about it, but the scum part might be a little harsh. Anyway a huge LOL is in order. (Though I dont know if you meant to be funny.)

Baran
06-18-2003, 09:59 AM
1. Sam - Hates him
2. Feanor - He's selfish and caused a whole lot of trouble
3. Thingol - Don't like him
either