LotR meets South Park

[Orual]

Did anybody see last night's South Park? (At least I think it was last night...) I'd never watched South Park before, nor did I really watch this one, as there were corruptable youngsters in the room with me. I was wondering if anybody else saw it, and what your reaction was.

If anybody's wondering what this has to do with Lord of the Rings, the episode was basically a parody--the three kids (no, I don't know their names!) were sent on a "quest" to deliver the One Tape (a copy of LotR) to another kid's house, but it turned out to be....not LotR, and they were sent on another quest to retrieve it and bring it back to one of the kid's parents. Wackiness and mindless cursing ensues. smilies/rolleyes.gif

~*~Orual~*~

[Manwe Sulimo]

That's....exciting, to be sure, that Tolkien has reached the...ummm...level that it has....

Shouldn't this be in "Middle-earth Mayhem" or something?

[Demloth of Dol Amroth]

*sigh* pop culture at work again, trying its best to tarnish the true art it wishes it could be. or something like that. best thing to do: ignore it. it might not go away, but you do worse by paying attention. if tolkien rose from the dead right now, and caught wind of this, he'd go running as fast as any reanimated person could run to his grave and try to forget he heard anything.

[Orual]

I imagine you're right, Demloth. And it would've been in Middle-earth Mayhem, Manwe, only sadly it really did air. Or have I still not quite gotten the hang of the purposes of the different forums?

~*~Orual~*~

[Nevfeniel]

:::WARNING:::
SOUTH PARK EPISODE CONTAINS "ADULT MATERIAL"
:::WARNING:::

So, in other words, if you really want to know why Butters turns into Gollum, I would suggest familiarizing yourself with the usual South Park material. I'm not trying to discourage anyone from watching it, but they seem to tarnish LotR with. . . um. . .how do I say this? Well, let's just say that South Park is for "mature audiences only". But it's really funny when Butters starts to act like Gollum, and how the kids end up getting rid of him. In fact, they basically give away the ending to TTT and RotK at the end of the episode.

[ November 16, 2002: Message edited by: Nevfeniel ]

[Dúnethalath Taurendor]

* Poor, poor, soul and bones of Ronald. Not only do they have to stand the horror of the PJ movie, they also have to cope with this kind of humor.

[Eruwen]

OMG. When I saw the title of this thread, I could not help myself but read. WHAT KIND OF SICK AND TWISTED PERSON MIXES THESE TWO TOGETHER? smilies/eek.gif All I have to say, is I am so glad I didn't catch that show. I probably would have fainted or something. Eeesh!!

[gralin musicteeth]

I never saw the show, but i don't think i want to.

[Durelin]

I saw it last night, it was soooo funny! Nasty, but FUNNY! I like stuuf that makes fun of stuff I like! Don't take it offensively! All South Park shows make fun of stuff in...well...disturbing ways! Come on, have fun with it!

[Nieninque]

I didn't see it, but knowing South Park, it was probably hilarious. Don't take it so seriously!

[Durelin]

Thankyou Nieninque! People are weird! It is so funny when they talk about how Butters has been following them for "like two hours" I don't know, it was just...funny!

[Rumil]

Oh My God They Killed Boromir!!!!

You B-----ds !!!! smilies/biggrin.gif

[Durelin]

Sad isn't it. smilies/frown.gif

[Demloth of Dol Amroth]

LOTR and SP are, to me, two things people shouldn't mix. why there was ever a need for south park at all also boggles my mind. whats the point? so far i have seen none, unless someone would like to tell me.

[Rose Cotton]

If anyone knows if that episode is going to show again please let me know. I have never watched SP in my life because I'm not into that kind of entertainment but you have really gotten me intrested.

[NazgulNumberTen]

Jesus people lighten up. LotR is not your god (and if it is, i pity you). Anyways, i made this thread in M.E.M., and the episode was hilarious. SO let go a little and have some fun.

[NazgulNumberTen]

OMG. When I saw the title of this thread, I could not help myself but read. WHAT KIND OF SICK AND TWISTED PERSON MIXES THESE TWO TOGETHER? All I have to say, is I am so glad I didn't catch that show. I probably would have fainted or something. Eeesh!!
...LIGHTEN UP!!!!!
smilies/mad.gif

[NazgulNumberTen]

I didn't see it, but knowing South Park, it was probably hilarious. Don't take it so seriously!
At least someone has some common sence.

[NazgulNumberTen]

*sigh* pop culture at work again, trying its best to tarnish the true art it wishes it could be. or something like that. best thing to do: ignore it. it might not go away, but you do worse by paying attention. if tolkien rose from the dead right now, and caught wind of this, he'd go running as fast as any reanimated person could run to his grave and try to forget he heard anything.
So south park isn't art?! sure they are crude, but the messages are apparent in any episode. just stop being obseesive about every aspect of LotR. You should like an angery mother at church. Just stop being so damn serious.

[Demloth of Dol Amroth]

am not like an "angery mother at church," merely an art critic. how is mindless cursing art? the two don't seem to be very interrelated-but this is just my opinion. as for telling everyone to lighten up, everyone has a choice whether to lighten up or not. some people will view it as little short of heresy, some will laugh along as they watch the show. tis THEIR choice.

[Aengthrea Greenleaf Of Mirkwood]

I agree with Nazgul it was just an episode. What d you think of when you hear South park? Funny, hilarious, and disturbing. But thats why they made tat little episode to be funny which was.

[Pookabunny]

If Tolkien didn't have a sense of humor, there wouldn't been any Tooks. Or the Green Dragon. Or Bree. or anything with alcohol.

And hobbit leaf!

Come on the guy's heroes of the story were about 4 feet tall with big ol' hairy feet. you KNOW he had a sense of humor.

[Orual]

Of course Tolkien had a sense of humour! ^_^ "Knock on the doors with your head, Peregrin Took..." LoL!

So, I don't know what to think now...it's funny, it's blasphemy, I didn't see it. Hm. Well, I guess that whether or not I'll watch it is a foregone conclusion given that I'm not the only one in the house that would be exposed to South Park if I watched it. Oh well. Might be just as well anyway--or it might be a tragedy--or maybe I just don't know.

Okay. Now my head hurts.

~*~Orual~*~

[burrahobbit]

OMG. When I saw the title of this thread, I could not help myself but read. WHAT KIND OF SICK AND TWISTED PERSON MIXES THESE TWO TOGETHER?

Me. I don't like being ad hominemed against.

*sigh* pop culture at work again, trying its best to tarnish the true art it wishes it could be. or something like that.

You're so silly. Have you seen it? They didn't do anything to "tarnish" the books. In fact, the things that they did do could only be done if they had read the things at least once, and had some knowledge of our little subculture.

if tolkien rose from the dead right now, and caught wind of this, he'd go running as fast as any reanimated person could run to his grave and try to forget he heard anything.

Wow, dude. That's pretty harsh. He might run faster from people that don't capitalize proper nouns.

whats the point?

Humor.

If anyone knows if that episode is going to show again please let me know.

No idea, probably not for a while. PM me and I can hook you up.

how is mindless cursing art?

How is it mindless?

the two don't seem to be very interrelated

As Bilbo would say, every road leads to the Lonely Mountain. Even this one.

some people will view it as little short of heresy

I certainly hope that you don't.

[NazgulNumberTen]

burra, you rock.

[burrahobbit]

I certainly do.

[elsye]

I thought that the episode was absolutely hilarious!! i was flipping through the channels and i saw some cartoon characters dressed up as LOTR and i was glued! esp. at the end when butters was in the return slot hugging the video and saying "my precious"!!!! i wish that i could relate to more sp episodes in such a way! smilies/tongue.gif

[Orual]

I thought the beginning was funny. I especially liked the part where the guy dressed as Gandalf attacked the "dragon" (oncoming car). But it got significantly racier as time went on, so I stopped. Oh well--my loss?

~*~Orual~*~

(PS: Happy 100th post to me!)

[Demloth of Dol Amroth]

*sigh* pop culture at work again, trying its best to tarnish the true art it wishes it could be. or something like that.
OK, maybe this was sort of silly to say. take notice of the disclaimer, "or something like that."
Wow, dude. That's pretty harsh. He might run faster from people that don't capitalize proper nouns.
Well SORRY!! Didn't know it mattered that much to you.
how is mindless cursing art?->How is it mindless?
you didn't answer my question.
whats the point?->Humor.
i don't find cursing very humorous, but rather a sign of a limited vocabulary.
some people will view it as little short of heresy->
I certainly hope that you don't.
uh, no-i wasn't really talking about me-i still don't like it.

[ November 24, 2002: Message edited by: Demloth of Dol Amroth ]

[burrahobbit]

you didn't answer my question.

Nor you mine. While mindless cursing may not be art, South Park is not mindless cursing. Did you watch any of the episode? I honestly fail to see anything at all that is trying to tarnish The Lord of the Rings. There are so many quotes and references to the book, and references to crap that we say to each other online that to say it is trying to tarnish anything is just silly. Following this post I'm going to watch it again and catalogue as many quotes and references as I can, or at least the really good ones.

[burrahobbit]

Butters is exposed to The One Tape, becomes Gollum. "My precious," third person speech.

"monster of Rivendell"

The One Tape has an evil power, if you use it bad things happen.

6th graders as nazgul, sniffing around in the woods to find the boys, very much as in the movie.

Cartman does door opening spells, as Gandalf does at the gate of Moria.

An army of 6th graders searching for The One Tape, as Sauron's armies.

Token watches the tape and issues a warning much like Aragorn before he uses the palantir.

The Tape can not be trusted with anybody, it must be returned to the video store from whence it came.

It came from Two Towers video store, and it will take a long time to walk there.

The Tape must be returned before it causes more damage.

A dwarf offers to take it, an elf says that dwarfs can't be trusted with things of that much power.

It is too far and too dangerous to do alone, so the fellowship of the lord off the rings is formed.

Caradhras style snow storm, caused by a dark wizard.

Cartman makes fun of Harry Potter.

Butters follows the fellowship.

"They are coming."

Jimmy sends the rest of the fellowship ahead. "Go!"

"You shall not pass."

6th graders can't stand water.

The fellowship fractures, some cross a river, some go along it.

Butters shows the way to the video store.

Butters refuses to let the Tape be returned at the last moment and wrestles it away from Kyle, then he and the tape are both thrown into the the drop box.

"The tape is returned to which it came, its power over you will fade as well."

When the tape is returned the 6th grader army is made impotent.

Just before disastor, the parents drive up and rescue the boys.

How many of those references did you get?

[NazgulNumberTen]

Cartman makes fun of Harry Potter.
A man after my own heart.

[Durelin]

Interesting debate. I think we all know who won! Mwahahahaha! SP is hilarious! Cursing is funny, what's with ya Demloth! You need to chill! I certainly pity you like Nazgul said, you worship LOTR. unfortunate. burrahobbit, Nazgul, you guys ROCK! shibby. Man, you hadn't even watched it and you started this thread! Yous should know a little bit about something before you totally trashed it, just like how I didn't post my opinion here until I had seen it. Orual, next time be able to back up you're statement or you'll get beaten by Nazgul and burrahobbit again! Just a little advice! smilies/biggrin.gif smilies/biggrin.gif

[Orual]

Durelin, all I did was ask if anybody had seen it and what their opinion was. I got to see the beginning, but there were young children in the room and I wasn't going to expose them to the language on South Park. I thought the beginning was amusing but it got too raunchy for me later on. I don't know if that level of rauchiness continued on thoroughout the episode. I didn't really have a "statement" to back up. Thanks for the advice, though, I always try to be able to back up my opinions before I state them.

~*~Orual~*~

[burrahobbit]

Don't be so presumptuous, Durelin.

[NazgulNumberTen]

Durelin, all I did was ask if anybody had seen it and what their opinion was. I got to see the beginning, but there were young children in the room and I wasn't going to expose them to the language on South Park. I thought the beginning was amusing but it got too raunchy for me later on. I don't know if that level of rauchiness continued on thoroughout the episode. I didn't really have a "statement" to back up. Thanks for the advice, though, I always try to be able to back up my opinions before I state them.
~*~Orual~*~

I don't get why som epeople are so protective. those kids probably know everything said on that episode already.

[Demloth of Dol Amroth]

Durelin-i don't see where NN 10 said I "worship" LOTR. I will NOT lighten up either. My beliefs do not condone such things as South Park because of its content. However, I now do agree with Burra, that it was presumptious to judge it before seeing it, though now I have a a basic outline of the episode-all the points that Burrahobbit mentioned, add many cuss words. See, it would be perfectly funny had those swear words not been there at all, just the parody. Which is why I don't see the swearing as adding to the humor at all, but simply supplanting it for certain groups that would not enjoy such.

[burrahobbit]

There isn't much swearing in this episode.

[NazgulNumberTen]

Durelin-i don't see where NN 10 said I "worship" LOTR. I will NOT lighten up either. My beliefs do not condone such things as South Park because of its content. However, I now do agree with Burra, that it was presumptious to judge it before seeing it, though now I have a a basic outline of the episode-all the points that Burrahobbit mentioned, add many cuss words. See, it would be perfectly funny had those swear words not been there at all, just the parody. Which is why I don't see the swearing as adding to the humor at all, but simply supplanting it for certain groups that would not enjoy such.
I said it in my first post. you people hold lotr so high that anything that isn't bowing down and wordhiping it you think "tarnishes" it.
and as for cussing, it's not like it's anything you probably haven't heard or said before.

[ November 24, 2002: Message edited by: NazgulNumberTen ]

[Demloth of Dol Amroth]

There isn't much swearing in this episode.
Even so, doesn't mean I want or need to hear more.
Durelin-i don't see where NN 10 said I "worship" LOTR.->I said it in my first post.
Well, not literally. There is a difference between holding it as something above crude humor and "worshipping" it. As is, I already said "OK, maybe I don't know as much as I thought," and apologized and whatnot, and the regrets. Stop beating the corpse then, if you will.

[NazgulNumberTen]

Well if you can't see past the cussing to the deeper humor inside, don't watch south park.

[Faye Took]

I thought that episode was hilarious. I mean come on Cartman dressed up as Gandalf...who would've seen that coming?

[burrahobbit]

I did. Like 2 years ago.

[Orual]

NN10, that'd probably be true but you don't know the kids in my house. smilies/rolleyes.gif They're very innocent, and are quite offended by bad language when it does come up. I try to be sensitive to their needs, and therefore didn't watch that episode of SP, though I rather wanted to. At first. And I agree with Demloth...though cursing doesn't much offend me, if it did bother me, I wouldn't want to expose myself to more just because I "wouldn't be learning any new words."

~*~Orual~*~

PS: I wasn't trying to quote anybody here just then, just quoting in general. I know, probably a misuse of quotation marks, but give me a break, it's late again.

[Demloth of Dol Amroth]

you're not listening, NN10. i'm sure there is some sort of deep humor in there, but it's pretty deeply in then. and i don't feel like getting out my spade and digging for it either. it's not that i instantly shriek in terror if someone utters a cuss, but i will not willingly subject myself to it.

[Tarthang]

I saw it. I thought it was pretty good as far as poking fun at the current pop culture surrounding PJ's films. Anyone who thinks the episode makes mockery of JRRT's works is missing the point of the show in general, which mocks and makes fun of various aspects of pop culture and social issues, albeit a bit crudely.

[Durelin]

I'm sorry Saint Orual! I find cussing extremely funny! I had no idea how much you had against it. I'm glad you didn't watch, if you think cussing is bad...well, let's just say it had "suggestive themes" like they say on the backs of movies. You would be raging ten times as much as before! Thanx NN10 for covering my a**! That was especially for you Orual! smilies/evil.gif

[burrahobbit]

You are droll.

[Durelin]

Ooo, thank ye! Pretty word 'droll'. Uh huh. smilies/biggrin.gif I did like that post! hehe
OI! I'm a Wight! OI! OI! smilies/biggrin.gif smilies/biggrin.gif

[ November 27, 2002: Message edited by: Durelin ]

[Orual]

If you'll recall, Durelin, I said this:

though cursing doesn't much offend me

Like I said, cursing doesn't offend me. I love Douglas Adams, and have you READ any of his stuff? He flings around the "f" word like nobody's business. Look, maybe you ought to read the posts better. I really don't want to let this argument get to me, so if you wouldn't mind toning it down...? I'm just trying to say that Demloth has a point. You shouldn't have to watch anything that makes you uncomfortable just because you won't learn anything new.

Sex offends me more than cursing, so if it gets very much racier than I'm glad you warned me. No, I'm not being sarcastic, I'm serious. Drew Barrymore's comment about what "second base" meant in "Riding in Cars with Boys" made me blush. (Yeah, I'm that bad!) So please, I'm not trying to get anybody angry with me or get angry with anybody, please extend me the same courtesy.

~*~Orual~*~

[Demloth of Dol Amroth]

Durelin, your character qualities remind me of William Lloyd Garrison. i will say no more. smilies/biggrin.gif

[Durelin]

Sorry Orual! I was just giving you a hard time! I'm glad you feel uncomfortable around that sh*t, I mean we need more people to realize that stuff is sh*t and not watch it. I should cut back! hehe smilies/biggrin.gif OOOO! Thank you Demloth, had to search google to find out who he was! Sorry, I should have known, his name did ring a bell! Give me partial credit! smilies/biggrin.gif

[Nieninque]

*cowers in a corner* Thank you burrahobbit for pointing out the references ^^

[ November 30, 2002: Message edited by: Nieninque ]

[Baran]

I haven't got the time to read all this, so I'm only replying to the Topic post. Why should The lord of the ring be above parodies? If you don't like it don't whatch it, stop complaining.

[Durelin]

Yay! Thankyou Baran! smilies/biggrin.gif This is long, if I hadn't been reading this since there were only like 6 posts, I wouldn't have read it all either. It's amusing I guess, but it's pretty pointless (a lot of it is anyway, mainly my posts!) smilies/biggrin.gif

[Demloth of Dol Amroth]

I haven't got the time to read all this, so I'm only replying to the Topic post.
don't jump into the debate then.
Why should The lord of the ring be above parodies?
it isn't-this example i just didn't particularly enjoy.
If you don't like it don't whatch it, stop complaining.
i won't. i might still complain, but rather about things like the weather, or something.
don't run into a thread like this without READING it, or finding things out for yourself-i had to find this out the hard way.

[Durelin]

Oh come ON Demloth! This thread isn't worth their time! I will say it! STOP COMPLAINING!!! you're like a little old fishwife! Kidding, that's just what my mom always says to me! smilies/biggrin.gif I extremely enjoyed this parody of LOTR and I won't stop until you do! smilies/evil.gif