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Eomer of the Rohirrim
10-27-2002, 08:56 AM
So was the mithril coat really made by the Elves? Or is it merely an assumption by the movie-makers?
I always thought it was made by the Dwarves for the Elves. Could well be wrong. Help?
Elrian
10-27-2002, 10:17 AM
Sting was made by the Elves, the mithril shirt by Dwarves, mithril was only found in Moria, and forged there. In the book I beleive Gandalf tells Bilbo that the mithril shirt was probably made for some Elven prince or something to that effect. But Sting was made in Gondolin for the wars between the Elves and the forces of Morgoth.
Orual
10-27-2002, 01:18 PM
Yeah, the mithril-coat was made by the Dwarves. From Return of the King:

'Dwarf-coat, elf-cloak, blade of the downfallen West...'

::shivers:: One of the most chilling parts in the whole novel...but I digress. And I think it said something about Elven princes that had to do with mithril in Fellowship, but for the life of me I can't remember or find it.

~*~Orual~*~
Elenna
10-27-2002, 02:44 PM
I know there was a line said by I think Aragorn

Here's a pretty hobbit skin to wrap an Elven princeling in

As disturbing as I think that line is, it does mention the Elves, but not as the makers of the coat. The did love mithril above all other metals, but Bilbo's coat wasn't made by them.
TolkienGurl
10-27-2002, 03:23 PM
I think an orc said that. Not sure, though.
Elenna
10-27-2002, 03:30 PM
No, I just checked. It was when Frodo revealed to the Fellowship why the spear that would have skewered a wild boar didn't skewer a hobbit. Aragorn said it.
Orual
10-27-2002, 05:01 PM
Ah! That's what it was! But...I looked for it...what page? What edition do you have? This is going to drive me crazy!

~*~Orual~*~
Childlike Empress
10-27-2002, 06:50 PM
It doesn't seem like something Aragorn would say...
Diamond18
10-27-2002, 07:07 PM
He did, though. It's in Chapter VI, Lothlórien. It's in the begininng of the chapter. I'm glad that line wasn't in the movie. It continues with;

"...If it were known that hobbits had such hides, all the hunters of Middle-earth would be riding to the Shire."

That's sick...Tolkien must have been in a "mood". (Can you imagine? Hobbit season...horrors!)
TolkienGurl
10-27-2002, 07:28 PM
That's gross! smilies/eek.gif
Lindolirian
10-27-2002, 08:34 PM
In the Hobbit when Thorin gives the coat to Bilbo it is said that it was made by the Dwarves for a small Elven prince. In the movie when Bilbo says, "Yes, made by the Elves you know," I believe he was speaking of the sword Sting, which was made by the Elves of Gondolin.
Childlike Empress
10-28-2002, 09:46 AM
Yes indeed; when he said it, naught but Sting had made its appearance. We (and Frodo) didn't even know of the coat's existence when Bilbo said that line.

[ October 28, 2002: Message edited by: Childlike Empress ]
Luinsewiel
10-28-2002, 05:22 PM
That's sick...Tolkien must have been in a "mood". I think Strider was just joking about the hobbit hunting thing, it seemed that way to me anyway. smilies/redface.gif
Elenna
10-28-2002, 06:45 PM
I'm pretty sure that Aragorn was being sarcastic.
Diamond18
10-28-2002, 11:00 PM
Well, yes, I'm sure it was a joke. But it made me stop and actually picture it in my mind...skinning a hobbit. smilies/eek.gif (My imagination tends to take things and run wild with them, all in a manner of nanoseconds, before I can reason the thought away.)
Kalimac
10-28-2002, 11:35 PM
Of course, the *real* question is, how on earth did the Mouth of Sauron know that Dwarves had made the coat instead of Elves? They both used mithril, so...ahh, never mind, maybe he could smell it or something.

I might not remember correctly, but I kind of remember the "Made by the Elves" as referring primarily to Sting, but Sting and the mithril coat were presented almost simultaneously, and the line could have been taken as referring to both items. In which case I wouldn't really say that they were being inconsistent, just that Bilbo is having a bit of a "senior moment" so to speak (he does forget things a lot towards the end)...
Diamond18
10-28-2002, 11:46 PM
I think that he was referring specifically to Sting, because if I recall correctly, the whole line goes, "Yes, made by the elves, you know. The blade glows blue when orcs are near."
Eomer of the Rohirrim
10-30-2002, 06:21 AM
You know, you're totally right! This thread was pointless. My apologies.
Helkahothion
10-30-2002, 01:57 PM
Sting was forched by the elves and the Mithril armor by the Dwarves. Gandalf Thinks it was made for a prince of elves. And Aragorn confirmed that.
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