Barrow-Downs-Balrog-Wings-Poll

[Telchar]

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<FONT FACE="Verdana,Arial" SIZE=2>Eeeaaasy Boy - Steady now, steady! THIS IS NOT ANOTHER BALROG WINGS DISCUSSION!!!!
It's only a little pole, that hopefully will let us see how the distribution between &quot;Pro-wings&quot; and &quot;Pro-nonwings&quot; is on the Barrow-Downs.

So vote - please only one vote per person! If you doo feel the need to reply to this topic then please limit it to &quot;I am personaly against or pro wings&quot;!!! And take the discussion to the books-forum where it belongs - Thanks in advance.

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<FONT FACE="Verdana,Arial" SIZE=2>Results (total votes = 11):<table bgcolor=#FFFFFF border=0 cellpadding=3 cellspacing=0 width="75%"> <tbody> <tr><td bgcolor="#000000" colspan=3 height=1></tr><TR BGCOLOR=#E0E0E0><TD NOWRAP> <FONT FACE="Verdana,Arial" SIZE=2>Balrogs do not have wings!!!&nbsp</td> <td height><FONT FACE="Verdana,Arial" SIZE=2>2&nbsp;/&nbsp;18.2%&nbsp</td><td><img src=bar.gif width=54 height=10 hspace=3>&nbsp;</td></tr> <tr><td bgcolor="#000000" colspan=3 height=1></tr><TR BGCOLOR=#E0E0E0><TD NOWRAP> <FONT FACE="Verdana,Arial" SIZE=2>Balrogs do have wings!!!&nbsp</td> <td height><FONT FACE="Verdana,Arial" SIZE=2>9&nbsp;/&nbsp;81.8%&nbsp</td><td><img src=bar.gif width=245 height=10 hspace=3>&nbsp;</td></tr> <tr><td bgcolor="#000000" colspan=3 height=1></tr></tbody> </table>

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[red]

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Re: Barrow-Downs-Balrog-Wings-Poll

You forgot the option that says, "There is insufficient evidence to make a choice." - which is the only real answer.

-red

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[Earendilyon]

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Re: Barrow-Downs-Balrog-Wings-Poll

Of course they hadn't!!

"For I am a Bear of Very Little Brain, and long words Bother me." </p>

[Drew2K1]

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Re: Barrow-Downs-Balrog-Wings-Poll

I would say &quot;There is insufficient evidence to made a choice.&quot; I have been through periods of thinking both, yes and no, but I am not sure.

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[Mithadan]

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Re: Barrow-Downs-Balrog-Wings-Poll

Wings!

--Mithadan--
"The Silmarils with living light
were kindled clear, and waxing bright
shone like stars that in the North
above the reek of earth leap forth." </p>

[Telchar]

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Re: Barrow-Downs-Balrog-Wings-Poll

I can understand your arguments very well - but thats not the issue - this poll is for those who have made up their mind or have a clear picture in their minds of what a balrog looks like...

Personally I agree - There is not suficient evidence of either case - Still my barogs have wings, its that simple <img src=cool.gif ALT="8)">

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[IthaJoyII]

Yes, wings. It's clear actually. In FOTR, it says that the wings stretched from one wall to another. this is after the controvertial part about the shadow like wings.

[Elenhin]

You want to debate that, Arwen? smilies/wink.gif

(And no, they didn't have wings)

[Halbarad]

(My penultimate post on this topic)Perhaps it would pay to put up some QUOTES. I don't recall having read any definite quotes (page number etc) in this whole debate. But red has convinced me for now- insufficient evidence, we need another option.

P.S What are all these non-novices doing on this page any way

[ October 03, 2001: Message edited by: Halbarad ]

[Elenhin]

Originally posted by Halbarad:
<STRONG>Perhaps it would pay to put up some QUOTES. I don't recall having read any definite quotes (page number etc) in this whole debate.</STRONG>
This thread was a poll, not a debate.

[Elrian]

"They arose and passed over Hithlum"

Wings! smilies/evil.gif

[Luthien]

Yep, wings smilies/tongue.gif smilies/biggrin.gif

[Orald]

Always falling to their death, no wings, besides, balrogs are creatures of fire and shadow, it is hard to fly if wings are made out of shadow.

[Eowyn of Ithilien]

not necessarily...I don't really have an opinion on this topic, I'm just making life difficult smilies/wink.gif

[Argoth]

Here I have a quote.
My one volume edition of Lord of the Rings is one with a Greenish pic of Gandalf on the cover with gold bands of Dwarven runes on the top and bottom. I pull this quote from page 349, and the Chapter is 'The Bridge of Khazad-Dum'.
The Balrog made no answer. The fire in it seemed to die, but the darkness grew. It stepped forward slowly on the bridge, and suddenly it drew itself up to a great height, and its wings were spread from wall to wall; but still Gandalf could be seen, glimmering in the gloom; ....
I believe that answers the question.

[ December 23, 2001: Message edited by: Argoth ]

[ December 23, 2001: Message edited by: Argoth ]

[Argoth]

One could also look at unofficial sources, as well. I have the Lord of the Rings RPG, by Iron Crown Enterprises, in which they depict the Balrog with wings. One could also look at the Advanced Dungeons & Dragons, Second Edition, Monster Manual picture of the Pit Fiend which is based on the Balrog (in my opinion).

One thing I just thought of....
This could just be the way that this particular Balrog looks like, others could have other large similar monstrous form without wings. I believe the Balrogs were at one time creatures that could alter their shape as many evil things could, but due to massive uses of power they became stuck in these forms. I'll have to look through some books to be sure, though.

[Fenrir]

Please! Keep this to official sources! If we bring in unofficial material we'll still be debating balrogs next century.
Balrogs have wings!

[Dáin Ironfoot]

I believe they had them, but nowhere does it state that they flew!

[The Prince of Dol Amroth]

Well said Dáin Ironfoot, that is exactly right, if they did have wings, why didn't the balrog fly when it fell in Moria?

[Evil Anya]

The line about the wings stretching out from wall to wall seems to settle the question. However, it can be read as the shadow that happens to look like wings stretching out behind it. In my mind balrogs have wings but there is no way i can prove it.

[Elendil]

Wings! But they didn't fly.

[Schvenn Of The Schack]

They had wings but didn't fly?
So you're saying that the Balrog is basically a giant chicken.
hmmmm.....
That be one scary chicken.
If Mel Gibson has played the part of a Balron in Chicken Run methinks he would have made short work of the farmers.
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[Telepréion the Elf]

They had wings Tolkein says it in The Fellowship of the Ring read the book!

[Eowyn of Ithilien]

lol chickens do so fly-unless you clip their wings
ooooooh maybe that's what Gandalf did
*will stop being sarcastic* smilies/wink.gif
although if Tolkien said they had wings I don't think he would have been simply allegorical (is that the right word?) as he usual describes things in detail

[Marileangorifurnimaluim]

Ha! The Balrog Chicken!

Wings, yes, they have wings.

[Dwarin Thunderhammer]

They had wings, in my humble opionion.

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[onewhitetree]

This (http://www.barrowdowns.com/Articles_Balrogs.asp?Size=) may help you all.

[Elendil]

"Hey Butterbur, a serving of fried Balrog wings for me!"

[Tirinor]

some cars have wings, maxi pads have wings, penguins have wings. children wear water wings in the pool. wings have other uses besides for flying. and i imagine wings of shadow could be put to very good use.
fly or no, Balrogs have wings, Tolkien says so.

[Turambar]

Counting ppl who posted on this thread, 14 pro-wing'ers and only 3 no-wing'ers, if I counted right. Even adding me to the no-wing'ers, that's a pretty solid majority for the pro-wing'ers (78%).